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Wanted: old Sun5 keyboard for Sol-20 restoration parts [fwd]

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

The following message is of sufficient interest to SOL and Altair-era listers that I'm forwarding it without asking its original poster; while perhaps not perfect netiquette, I'm hoping the list has no rule banning it. -dq From: Charles Eicher <ceicher(a)inav.net> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Wanted: old Sun5 keyboard for Sol-20 restoration parts Date: 5 Mar 2002 13:31:26 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <a63dfe0101p(a)drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-479.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.91 Path: news.iglou.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!nycmny1-snh1 .gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed! wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!209.155.233.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp .newsguy.com!drn Xref: news-incoming.iglou.com alt.folklore.computers:264561 I am searching for keyboard parts for restoration of a vintage microcomputer, my Sol-20. In some recent research, I've learned that the Sun5 keyboard contains the type of keyboard contact pads that are used in the Sol. I've found a place that will sell used Sun5 keyboards for $15 plus shipping, but I figure somebody in the alt.folklore.computers readership might have an old Sun5 keyboard sitting around they might part with cheaply, since this is for a good cause. I haven't torn apart my Sol kbd yet, but it is well known that this keyboard used foam contact pads that deteriorated with age, so most Sol CPUs function but cannot be used because there's no keyboard input. You can replace the foam pads and they keyboard will work, but the trick is finding the pads. There are many Keytronics keyboards that use these foam pads, but I've been unable to locate any on the local surplus market. I should be able to pick this up cheaper than $15+shipping, but it looks like I'll have to order a used Sun5 kbd and it will set me back $25. All this for $0.50 worth of foam pads that I could cannibalize >from a scrap $2 keyboard...IF I could find the right keyboard. The sole vendor of Sol kbd restoration parts has disappeared, I heard he's having financial difficulty. Bummer. So if anyone has a spare Sun5 keyboard, or other keyboard that might contain suitable foam-pad parts for cannibalization, please email me at ceicher(a)inav.net and I will be eternally grateful. My Sol will be happy too.

24 years, 1 month

RS232 Null Modem

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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24 years, 1 month

DRV11-J uses?

by tarsi＠binhost.com

What exactly would I use a DRV11-J card for? I'm thinking of selling it since it seems to bring fairly decent prices on the 'net, but I want to make sure I wouldn't actually NEED the thing before I sell it. Thanks! Nathan -- ---------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://tarsi.binhost.com binHOST.com: http://www.binhost.com Forever Beyond: http://www.foreverbeyond.org ----------------------------------------------

24 years, 1 month

Hosting Recommendations

by jss＠subatomix.com

I need to find a good email/web hosting service. Yes, this is on-topic. Right now, subatomix.com (my mail server) is a machine in my house, connected via residential cable modem service. This has some cool factor for me, but there are disadvantages: (0) The system has to up and stable 24/7; I can't play with it in ways that might interrupt that. (1) The cable modem connection goes down every now and then, sometimes for several hours. (2) I'm not too knowledgeable at mail administration; there's a good probability that this machine is not as secure as it could be. On top of that stuff, a credible source inside the cable company says that I will be eventually switched over from RoadRunner to the cable company's own network. According to the source, areas where the switches are occurring (mostly those served by @Home, but RoadRunner is next) are experiencing repeated, prolonged outages. So I need list members' recommendations on a good email/web hosting service. If you work for such a service, feel free to suggest it if it is a good service. What I want is: (0) Email hosting for 5 addresses at subatomix.com. It needs to handle several hundred emails per day (peak) and the occasional large file mailed to me. (1) Web hosting for my as-yet-unfinished personal web site. The largest part of the site will be an exposition of my collection like that of many others here. I plan on having a lot of pictures, and the service needs the capacity to hold them. (See it *is* on-topic). (2) Encrypted communications, or at least my passwords not sent over the network in cleartext. (3) The servers running some UNIX and administered by competent people. (4) A flat fee. (5) If I use their DNS servers, the ability to point foo.subatomix.com to a certain IP address. -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)subatomix.com

24 years, 1 month

Mostek computers?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 5, 22:03, Ernest wrote: > I didn't know that Mostek made an entire system? There is one at REPC that > someone dropped off. It has two 8" drives, and has a yellow and blue case. > It looks like an early vintage system but I don't know much about it. Is > anyone familiar with this computer? Not first hand, but I have a book called "Microcomputer Board Data Manual", edited by Dave Bursky, from "Electronic Design", pub. Hayden 1978. It lists one Mostek product, the OEM-80, about which the summary says: Word size: 8-bit data / 16-bit address CPU: MK3880 Clock freq min 0.005MHz / max 2.5MHz Total addressable memory 64K Amount of RAM on card 4K provided / 64K possible Amount of ROM on card 0K provided / 25K possible DMA capable: yes Bus type : proprietary Parallel I/O pins: 40 Serial I/O ports: 1 Max baud rate: 9600 Interrupt provisions: [none] Multiprocessing capablitly: yes Counter/timers: 4 (16 bits/timer) Software: assembler, debugging, HLL, OS Supply voltages: +5V, +/- 12V Board sixe: 12"x 8.5" Comments: Same as Z-80 CPU. ROM and RAM address mapping. OEM-80: No ROM supplied. Available as a complete ROM-based prototype package. European card: 233 x 250mm. The chapter (well, one page plus a 1-page diagram) in the body of the book says the SDB-80 is the version with the firmware, and there are some other cards as well, including floppy controller, more RAM, PROM programmer, CRT interface, card cage, etc. The OEM-80 cost $430 in 100+ quantities. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

24 years, 1 month

Decwriters

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: William Donzelli [mailto:aw288@osfn.org] > Who else wanted a DECwriter, and where? I have one spoken for, in Champaign, IL. That might be out of your way from (or to) Chicago, though. I'm not sure. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 1 month

OpenSTEP for VMS

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 5, 18:14, Brian Chase wrote: > OpenSTEP proper was just the last generation > of NeXTSTEP. The latest release I saw being OpenSTEP 4.2. It ran on > Intel/PC, Sun Sparc, and I think PA-RISC. I believe NeXTSTEP 3.3 was > the last version to support NeXT black hardware. Then how come my NeXT slab came with CDs labelled "OpenStep 4.2 for NeXT, User Disk", "OpenStep 4.2 for NeXT, Developer", and and NeXT boot floppy? :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

24 years, 1 month

Here's a link you all might like....

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > If you say Richard Head you will get one virtual nerf brick > > tossed in your direction immediately... > > Well, it isn't the notorious R. Head, but the Nerf bricks > will likely fly anyway. > > The very first computer operator was Eve, with an Apple at one hand > and a Wang at the other. ...and some would say they still can't get the smell out of the Apples... ;)

24 years, 1 month

Here's a link you all might like....

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 6, Chad Fernandez wrote: > That actually makes sense, too. Just the other day in the USA Today, I > read that the old US Embassy in Afghanistan was equipped with old > Wangs. Are you suggesting that the embassy is staffed by a bunch of dickheads? -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

24 years, 1 month

Decwriters

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

> From: William Donzelli [mailto:aw288@osfn.org] > Subject: Re: Decwriters > > > > I can arrange to pick up at the Denver stop... it's only 5 > hours' drive from > > here. > > Who else wanted a DECwriter, and where? > > William Donzelli > aw288(a)osfn.org > I could use an R key for a LA-36 (Decwrite II)! Long story involving wife and an errant vacuum. (But honey.... It was soooooo dusty!) Gary ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************

24 years, 1 month

Need Shugart 851 manual

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I need a Shugart 851 8" floppy drive manual. Does anyone have one that hey'll loan me or make a copy of it for me? Or does anyone have a pointer to an on-line copy? I have a bunch of 851 drives and I need to see how to configure them to use in place of Shugart 800 drives. Joe

24 years, 1 month

OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > B) OpenSTEP was never the graphics subsystem of NeXTSTEP, as I had > thought. Well, if you take the graphical subsystem, make it run on top of X11, and ad a little more of NeXT to it, then you would get OpenStep. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 1 month

OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > > Doc, I think maybe you're confusing OpenStep with > OpenWindows (OpenLook), > Nope. I've used OpenWindows, hate it, would rather run twm > if that's > the only choice. I may be completely out of my head, and as of this Heh. I'm running out of "OpenStuff" :) > morning I can't even find the stack of old source archives. > If it's on > tape I'm gonna cry "Uncle". I don't suppose you might have seen the Mach version of OpenStep running on Intel hardware? This would look pretty similar to a "linux" if you were using a command-line shell. > enough to work > > with at that point. I ended up deleting everything but the window > > manager. :) > I've fooled with GNUSTEP myself, with the same results you got. > WindowMaker is a great WM, but I begin to doubt that GNUSTEP will ever > get any closer than that to a full-blown environment. Gnome > & KDE have > pulled all the focus and resources away. That's a shame, since the NeXT environment is much nicer. :) Of course, OpenStep on its own would still leave the problem of using X11 for delivery of all graphics, which from what I've seen is nowhere near as nice as the NeXT window system, but still it would have been a step in the right direction. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 1 month

OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Chase [mailto:vaxzilla@jarai.org] > Much better > > than those poor, bloated pieces of garbage that GNOME, KDE, > Enlightenment, > > etc, have become. > Now I'm no big fan of any of the newer window managers either, but > OpenLook? GAH, ARGHHH *WRETCH* Sure, it's a personal preference and > all. My choice would be FVWM, and then probably TWM. Also, I'd > completely forgetten about Bowman and AfterSTEP. Bowman was nice and > lightweight, and I think derivative of FVWM. Heh. I don't remember whether Bowman was FVWM derived or not, but everything else was at the time, so why not? :) Actually, I wish Enlightenment was still based on FVWM -- it would be much easier on the CPU. Anyway, yes, it's a personal preference, but I certainly like it better than GNOME or KDE (since it will actually _run_ on a machine without flooring a 200Mhz chip. There are one or two other "desktop environments" for linux, but those never impressed me. ... so if you want an entire "environment" (that is, window management, supporting apps, maybe a file manager, and if you're lucky a decent set of widgets, all of which interoperate and share data nicely), what other choice is there? (I would seriously like to know. Private mail is fine, since most of this software is probably off topic :) Personally, I use WindowMaker for window management, and don't bother looking for "supporting apps," etc. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 1 month

Here's a link you all might like....

by schickel＠psln.com

Hi all, long time lurker, first time poster. I always enjoy the talk about all the classic big iron on the list. (I got my first hands-on on an HP2000-F [later upgraded to Access]). I'm signed up on one of the joke mailing lists and they sent this link out today as our "extra" of the day. Unknown attribution..... http://www.farmjokes.com/email/extra/clearance.jpg Later, Frank -- Join my distributed.net team: Cow County Crackers, at http://stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/tmsummary.php3?team=10621

24 years, 1 month

OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > near certain that what I have is an X11 window manager named OpenSTEP. > I've used GNUSTEP, AfterSTEP, and their nephew WindowMaker. All cool, > but not what I was referring to. Doc, I think maybe you're confusing OpenStep with OpenWindows (OpenLook), which was a SUN environment, and is, in fact, relatively well replicated on linux. In fact, I'd say that byte-for-byte it's the most complete, useable desktop environment available under Linux today. Much better than those poor, bloated pieces of garbage that GNOME, KDE, Enlightenment, etc, have become. ...but it's not OpenStep. It's neither as elegant nor as complete as the NeXT environment, IMO. It's also not as pretty ;) Actually, WindowMaker is the "official" window management component of the GNUStep project. It's a (small, but visible) subset of GNUStep, in other words, and not separate. GNUStep consists of lots of UI libraries, supporting utilities (or it should have those by now, rather -- I haven't checked in a while), and misc. other stuff. All of that, when coupled with the window manager should eventually give one an environment which is source compatible with OpenStep on other platforms. It's unfortunate that the project isn't further along. (finished!) I tried to compile the whole of GNUStep (all that was available) for Linux several years ago, and there wasn't anywhere near enough to work with at that point. I ended up deleting everything but the window manager. :) I may try again soon. There's another NeXT like WM named Bowman, on which AfterStep is based. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 1 month

Here's a link you all might like....

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

It was a joke, Chad. You know...a joke? -Dave On March 6, Chad Fernandez wrote: > It wasn't staffed at all. > > Chad Fernandez > Michigan, USA > > Dave McGuire wrote: > > > > On March 6, Chad Fernandez wrote: > > > That actually makes sense, too. Just the other day in the USA Today, I > > > read that the old US Embassy in Afghanistan was equipped with old > > > Wangs. > > > > Are you suggesting that the embassy is staffed by a bunch of > > dickheads? > > > > -Dave > > > > -- > > Dave McGuire > > St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf > -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

24 years, 1 month

Shipping Big Iron & Rail Right-Of-Way Abandonment

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I didn't think I ever seen it all the way through. What does it have to > do with railways and highways? Highways were promoted as routes for buses to travel, smoke-emitting buses that replaced clean electric trolleys that ran on rail tracks... and this actually happened not just in L.A. but all over the country. -dq > Is it possible to fall in love with a cartoon :-) Many of us probably resemble that remark! -dq

24 years, 1 month

Hosting Recommendations

by csmith＠amdocs.com

This was actually supposed to go straight to Dan. Sorry :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ' > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Smith > Ok, so how much does Insight cost? Will they panic if I tell them I > don't have windows, and no, it's not a Macintosh either? ;)

24 years, 1 month

Hosting Recommendations

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Wright [mailto:dtwright@uiuc.edu] > I was just switched from @Home to my local cable company's (insight > communications) network, and it's actual been more stable and > reliable then it > was before. @Home kind of sucked, but I've been happy with > insight's service, > at least so far -- it's been about a month... Ok, so how much does Insight cost? Will they panic if I tell them I don't have windows, and no, it's not a Macintosh either? ;) Do they require you to buy cable service too, or can you get the network hookup separately? I have been considering switching to cable off and on, myself. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 1 month

OpenSTEP for VMS

by pb＠Colorado.EDU

>On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 09:43:31PM -0500, Jeff Hellige wrote: >[snip] >> This could partly be due to Apple giving it away to NeXT hardware >> owners in '99. > >You happen to have any idea how this was done? Public FTP, shipped CDs >or some other form? I'm looking for a NeXTstep release; vendors only >seem to ship OpenStep these days (if at all; it's been a while since >I contacted one). > >-- >Sune Stjerneby <sst(a)vmunix.dk> > - Part of an RFC 1876-compliant network. It was done by shipping CDs. Owners of NeXT hardware were to contact Apple (via telephone, fax, or e-mail, I think) with their machine serial number (supposedly also software serial number, but that turned out not to be required), and request the Y2K patches. Since those patches were only applicable to NS3.3 or OS4.2, you would also get NS3.3 or OS4.2, if you requested them. (I believe that if you had anything less than OS4.0, you would get NS3.3; if you had OS4.0 or OS4.1, you would get OS4.2. I also believe that you could get as many copies as you had machine serial numbers. I am not certain of either of these last two points.) Some of these software packages appear for auction or sale in various venues--or, that is what I assume they are, when they are advertised as brand new, and including the Y2K patches. (There was at least one bug introduced by the Y2K patches, but I don't think that a fix has been released. It had to do with an unfortunate interaction between gnutar and some (or one) of the Lighthouse Design programs.) PB Schechter

24 years, 1 month

OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sune Stjerneby [mailto:sst@vmunix.dk] > On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 09:43:31PM -0500, Jeff Hellige wrote: > [snip] > > This could partly be due to Apple giving it away to NeXT hardware > > owners in '99. > You happen to have any idea how this was done? Public FTP, shipped CDs > or some other form? I'm looking for a NeXTstep release; vendors only > seem to ship OpenStep these days (if at all; it's been a while since > I contacted one). http://www.blackholeinc.com/ (I think) Black Hole sells new, licensed copies of NeXTSTEP in several releases. They're a little steep on those, but they have them. I have no connection with Black Hole, other than that I think I'll order a cable and mouse from them. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 1 month

OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Zane H. Healy wrote: > *never* heard VMS > > mentioned as having any sort of an OPENSTEP environment. > We are talking about OpenSTEP, right? Not NeXTSTEP? There has > been a port of OpenSTEP to XFree86 for long and long. Yes. Right. Nope. :) That is, GNUStep is far from OpenSTEP. It is still a work in progress, and while it has a very nice NeXT like window manager for X11, it's not a complete OpenSTEP environment by any means. It's also not a port, but a re-implementation from specs. What I am talking about would be a port -- of OpenSTEP (not NeXTSTEP), to VMS on Alpha. (There is a FAQ somewhere that explains OpenSTEP vs. NeXTSTEP [vs. NeXTStep...) In a nutshell, I believe that NeXTStep refers to a subset of NeXTSTEP licensed to IBM at one point. NeXTSTEP is the full original NeXT environment. OpenStep was modularized, and the operating system functions were separated from the user environment, which was then ported to other platforms (including Windows [ISTR] and Solaris, and, so I have heard recently, VMS) Of course, that is mostly from memory, so any of it could be way off. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 1 month

DECdatasystems

by jss＠subatomix.com

I have just acquired part of a DECdatasystem 570. I have the following questions about it: Why did DEC repackage their PDP-11s this way? When were the various DECdatasystem models released? How do they fit in with the rest of DEC's product line, and how were they marketed? -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)subatomix.com

24 years, 1 month

Shipping Big Iron & Rail Right-Of-Way Abandonment

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I got thinking about this on my way to work today. If this has indeed > been going on for the last 50 years as Allison said, this makes sense. > It was in the 50's that our highway system was laid down.... I think > I-94 went through hear in 1957. Also, since the mid 70's (??) much of > our manufacturing has gone overseas. I suggest you watch the movie "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" again, this time, keeping in mind that's its not fiction, but allegory... -dq

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