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by rbl＠hal.EPBI.cwru.edu

So, is anyone interested in a couple of Stardent TITANs? LOTS of spare boards. Several monitors. Rob Lake lake(a)cwru.edu

24 years, 1 month

OpenSTEP for VMS

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Subject: Re: OpenSTEP for VMS > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:44:44 -0800 (PST) > From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > In-Reply-To: <no.id> from "Christopher Smith" at Mar 05, 2002 04:33:20 PM > Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > > I have heard that OpenSTEP ran on VMS (Alpha) at one point. > > > > Having never heard of, nor seen this, I am curious, and would > > like to acquire a copy of this miraculous thing to run at home > > (on a hopefully soon-to-be-had DEC 3000, using the VMS hobbyist > > license...) > > > > Does anyone have any idea where to get it? > > > > Chris > > First I've heard of it. It primarily ran on NeXT hardware (of course), x86 > systems, and had limited support for HP and Sparc. I've *never* heard VMS > mentioned as having any sort of an OPENSTEP environment. There was a time when some Alpha AXP enthusiasts who, I believe, worked for a European subsidiary of DEC, started to port NeXTstep to the Alpha hardware. To us NeXT fans, this seemed too good to be true, and mostly that's how it ended up. Unsupported, unloved, and unfinished. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

24 years, 1 month

MicroVAX-II questions

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com> > >That is more or less what I said, I think. :) I didn't mean that >they didn't work at all, just that they'd had a lot of problems >with them (so I hear), and replaced them because of it. Actually the DEQNA was a burr in the VMS bottom since V4.2 or before. It wasn't a problem of getting 5.xx to work with it but rather a matter of finally saying time to retire the turkey. Likely 5.5 will work with it. >Tried 5.5? I have that version, so it would be interesting to know. Nope, dont have a copy. Did try 7.2 and it seems to work. Allison

24 years, 1 month

AIM-65 Questions

by mhstein＠canada.com

No problem; if someone else hasn't already fixed you (Rich & Ethan) up, I can dig out the ROM images or (if I can't find the disks) recreate them. Write me off-list and, if still required, what format (Intel/Mot/bin?). Just to make sure yours are correctly installed, the last 2 digits of the ROM specify the location, so the BASIC ROMs are R3225 & R3226 and should be inserted in sockets Z25 & Z26 respectively (Cxxx & Bxxx address blocks). And the monitor is in Z22&Z23 (R3222 & R3223), but sounds like it's OK. As Tony mentions elsewhere the 2332's could be mask-programmed various ways, and later model AIM65s had jumpers to select 2732/2532, but the AIM65 ROMs are 2532 pinout; 2732's would need a couple of pins exchanged unless you have one of the later AIMs (I assume yours is the 1K/4K version).. At least two different types of keyboards were used, but nothing special about either. I have a few brand new ones left if you need one (Don't worry, Jeff, one still has your name on it :). Might also still have some manual sets as soon as I figure out who's getting what, and several spare AIMs for parts. mike ---------------------Original Message---------------------- >Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:41:02 From: "Rich Beaudry" <r_beaudry(a)hotmail.com> Subject: AIM-65 Questions Hello all, I recently completed a trade for an AIM-65 that is about 80-90% working, but needs a little TLC. Hopefully someone here can help.... It appears to have the BASIC ROMs installed, and in the right sockets, but pressing "5" on the keyboard only results in the "<5>" display, and then the AIM hangs up. Only a press of the Reset button will free it up. I suspect the ROMs may be flaky, since one had quite a bit of (for lack of a better word) gunk on the tops of the pins. I cleanied it all off, but there may be some internal damage. These ROMs are part number 2332. I suspect these are 2732-compatible, at least in read mode, and not program mode... Does anyone have a ROM dump in Hex format? If so, could you email it to me so I can burn new ones? Actually, while I'm at it, if anyone has ANY of the AIM-65 ROMs dumped in Hex format, I'd appreciate copies. Then I could burn a whole new set... Also, the keyboard needs cleaning pretty badly. Unfortunately, I do not remember the manufacturer name or model #, but it is the standard AIM-65 keyboard. Has anyone ever fully taken one apart to clean it? If so, any gotchas? Thanks! Rich B.

24 years, 1 month

MicroMint BCC52 BASIC controller

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@cfl.rr.com] > Does anyone have a manual for one of these? I bought one > for $1 and now > I know why. The 5V PS was putting out about 20 volts! I've Wow, they "upgraded" the power supply... that's a good deal ;) Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 1 month

Intel iPSC/1, TI Explorer II, Symbolics 3620 documentation, software sought

by aek＠apple.com

> Does anyone have documentation or software for the Intel iPSC/1, TI > Explorer II or Symbolics 3620 that they'd be willing to share? TI Explorer docs can be found at http://www.unlambda.com/lispm/explorer-docs/ As I mentioned a few weeks ago, he's trying to locate an original Explorer. -- Check with Paul Pierce re iPSC/1's

24 years, 1 month

SCSI Question

by blstuart＠bellsouth.net

I'm going to claim this is on topic since it's for my SPARCStation2 which is 10 years old. To make a (semi-)long story short, I've come to the conclusion that I need a SCSI1 to SCSI3 adapter with high byte termination to connect a wide IBM SCSI drive to the narrow SCSI controller in my SS2. The only IDC50M to MD68M adapter I've found doesn't have the termination. There's a nice little adapter out there but it's got female connectors on both ends. I could try to assemble something with gender changers, but I'm afraid I'd end up spending more than I did on the drive for a Frankenstien that I'm not even sure would work. So my question is, does anyone know where to find an adapter with male connectors? Or, for that matter, has anyone dealt with this sort of thing and have a better suggestion? Thanks in advance, Brian L. Stuart

24 years, 1 month

Punch Card Humor

by mythtech＠mac.com

>then took the extra time messing >with the control marks along the edge. > >I don't know if the changed control marks had anything to do >with it, but we never got the results back. I've heard (but never been able to test), that if you rub chapstick, or similar semi reflective goo, along the control lines of a ScanTron form, that it can't track where to check for an answer. Supposedly if this is done for exams (or similar right/wrong scoreing items), it will fail to see any answers, and thus not consider any wrong, so it will think everything is correct, giving you a perfect score. Now, I openly believe that something like chapstick can keep it from tracking where to look for an answer, but I find it harder to believe that ScanTron has their systems set to assume everything is correct, and only deduct those it finds wrong (seems like a setup like that would be way to easy to bypass... so I would think they would assume a score of Zero, and add up the right answers instead). Anyone have a ScanTron system they can try it on.... I have always wondered if it was true, or just one of those school age rumors. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 1 month

cdc 9766 disk drive

by vcf＠vintage.org

Can anyone help this guy? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:38:36 -0800 From: John Kaur <digitg(a)flash.net> To: vcf(a)vintage.org Subject: cdc 9766 disk drive Am looking for a cdc 9766 disk drive, removable pack, 300 mb, series # is BK-7A1A in working condition. One I am running on my old pdp-11 has spindle bearing problems. I live is Tucson, Arizona. Willing to pay, but need soon. John Kaur, 520-622-1006. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

24 years, 1 month

Punch Card Humor

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Too bad you didn't go to my high school, 1980-1982... > > I graduated in 1982. Ah, same time frame I was working for the schools (having graduated in 1975). > We didn't have any fancy scanners for scoring tests, our > teachers had to do that by hand. We did have a lot of the > scanned tests for standardized testing and such, but of > course those all were sent off for scoring. Indiana has had a strong committment to education during most of my life. We insitiuted a state-wide system for tracking student progress in basic skills beginning in 1980, and we did a good job, but failed to pilot the system; if you think you know something about what sysadmins call "lusers", imagine a group of people who talk all day to 2nd graders then you have to explain a command-driven interface to them... ...to make a long story short, basic skills testing got bad press from teachers in Indiana, even before the parents started getting a more accurate idea of how their kids were actually performing. -dq

24 years, 1 month

Punch Card Humor

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Anyone have a ScanTron system they can try it on.... I have always > wondered if it was true, or just one of those school age rumors. Thanks, Chris.... ScanTron was the small unit we had, and now I remember writing a suite of code at RETS to drive another one, this time, in BASIC and COBOL... The big scanner we had was a NCS Sentry , but can't recall the model number... -dq

24 years, 1 month

HP 9845B parts available

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Well, I dug it out and brought it home. I am willing to part it out. What I have is a 9845B with no monitor, interfaces, paper cover, Roms or Rom Carts. It does have it's tape drives and a good keyboard I am willing to sell or trade parts. I saved it mainly to see what it looks like inside. I have wanted to take it apart for years. I used to have several and kept this for parts. Now this is the only one I have left, sniff. Please contact me off list at whoagiii(a)aol.com I will ship parts internationally. Thanks, Paxton Astoria, OR 97103 USA

24 years, 1 month

Punch Card Humor

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> That reminds me of the time in High School when they had all > of us in the 12th grade fill out this scanned form asking > all sorts of information I didn't think they needed. The form > was the type filled out with a #2 pencil and optically scanned. > I filled mine out (more or less correct, leaving answers I > didn't want to give blank), then took the extra time messing > with the control marks along the edge. > > I don't know if the changed control marks had anything to do > with it, but we never got the results back. Too bad you didn't go to my high school, 1980-1982... We had two such scanners- a little one that you fed a master into that had "the answers" and then subsequently the student answer forms, and it checked and marked them directly. Then we had a monster that was also programmable, but wrote out a 9-track tape that we'd load onto the Kennedy on the Prime... but IIRC, we could not get it to deal with the multiple marks. So I had to write a PL/I program that would always mark wrong any question with multiple answers. ;)

24 years, 1 month

MicroVAX-II questions

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Christopher Smith wrote: > >> From: Doc Shipley [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] >> Everything VMS I've looked at says the DEQNA is unsupported in VMS >> >v5.2. Is that unsupported as in "don't call DEC/Compaq/HP", or >> unsupported as in "it don't work"? Am I stuck with NetBSD then? Does >> anyone know if NBSD will mop-boot over the DEQNA? I don't have VMS >> older than 6.2. > >ISTR that's correct, and that's unsupported as in "We never could get it >to work right, so you're on your own..." The suggested solution I've >seen is to replace it with a DELQA board. :) The warnings about "we'll soon de-support the DEQNA" started in release notes round about 1987. It lasted for at least another five years. Ethernet drivers used to use an interface called FFI - allegedly Flaming Fast Interface but that was presumably just for management consumption :-) Round about V5.4[-x] or V5.5[-x] this interface was replaced with a new shinier one (whose name I've either forgotten or never knew) and at that point the DEQNA was stated to have stopped working. I never actually tested this, but the DECnet folks (in whose group I was working) told me it just plain would not work - by design. The DEQNA was DEC's first Qbus ethernet interface and was IIRC basically a LANCE chip on a Qbus card, the LANCE chip being essentially a DEUNA-in-a-chip. The DEUNA was DEC's first ethernet interface. The DELQA was the result of what they learned from that experience. The Turbo-DELQA was a ROM upgrade that improved performance further. Antonio

24 years, 1 month

MicroVAX-II questions

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Allison [mailto:ajp166@bellatlantic.net] > >ISTR that's correct, and that's unsupported as in "We never > could get it > >to work right, so you're on your own..." The suggested > solution I've > >seen is to replace it with a DELQA board. :) > Wrong! Unsupported means don't call if it don't work. It That is more or less what I said, I think. :) I didn't mean that they didn't work at all, just that they'd had a lot of problems with them (so I hear), and replaced them because of it. > does not mean > it will not work. It does work and if the DEQNA is working > as it should > (some dont) with few problems. It was done to retire the DEQNA as a > then very old design that was replaced by the better, lower > cost DELQA. > You can get away with a DEQNA as late as 5.4-4, I'm running one! Tried 5.5? I have that version, so it would be interesting to know. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 1 month

Top collectable machines

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Chad Fernandez [mailto:fernande@internet1.net] > I have one friend that refers to me as owning a Univax. If you own _one_ VAX, it may be more proper -- UniVAX, as opposed to a VAXCluster. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 1 month

Punch Card Humor

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Some detective work revealed the source of the errors. > The dye used in the blue punch cards was slightly hygroscopic. > The absorbed water made all the blue cards slightly longer than > the rest, just long enough to throw off the reader. > Years ago, in the book "Steal this Book", Abbie Hoffman suggested that anytime you end up with a punch card, in order to be a troublemaker, soak the card in some solution that, once the card is dried, has cause it to shrink uniformly so that it will jam the reader. As you can see, he wasn't much of a "fan" of "the system". -dq

24 years, 1 month

Seen on RISKS-L

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Eric J. Korpela [mailto:korpela@ssl.berkeley.edu] > Sent: 07 March 2002 18:24 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Seen on RISKS-L > > >The BBC's 1986 Domesday Project (a time capsule containing > sound, images, > >video and data defining life in Britain) is now unreadable. > The data was > >stored on 12-inch video discs that were only readable by the > BBC Micro, of > >which only a handful still exist. The time capsule contains What horse crap (as we all know)! Typical bloody uk journalists who can't be arsed to research a story properly. If they want to see if it's *really* still unreadable give the disks to me and I'll use them in my own Domesday machine, based on one of those *wow*r@re* BBC Micros. Or do they mean the discs themselves aren't readable anymore, regardless of whether you've got a Domesday machine or not? a

24 years, 1 month

Thinning the heard

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>PS. Does anybody know of a source of datasheets (PDF) online for the the >really old chips like RTL,DTL,74Hxx,74Lxx? You still can find the chips >but not the data. freetradezone is (effectively) gone now but I guess they would have had all this stuff. For TTL, I managed to get some CDs direct from TI: "Logic Selection Guide and Databook" "Designer's Guide and Databook" One or other of these has the TTL stuff. I did this a few years ago when I went to their website, found the technical literature section, clicked on the ones I wanted and filled in my employer's address. CDs turned up in the post, free, about two weeks later. Same thing worked for the Intel Developer CDs - these turned up quarterly for a while. I cannot find the sign up section anymore so I guess they've stopped (or they are somewhat more selective ...!) Motorola, Amtel, AMD and Cypress have all sent CDs too. It does save downloading and it certainly saves a good deal of space on the shelves too! Antonio

24 years, 1 month

MicroVAX-II questions

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Doc Shipley [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > >> Everything VMS I've looked at says the DEQNA is unsupported in VMS >> >v5.2. Is that unsupported as in "don't call DEC/Compaq/HP", or >> unsupported as in "it don't work"? Am I stuck with NetBSD then? Does >> anyone know if NBSD will mop-boot over the DEQNA? I don't have VMS >> older than 6.2. > >ISTR that's correct, and that's unsupported as in "We never could get it >to work right, so you're on your own..." The suggested solution I've >seen is to replace it with a DELQA board. :) Wrong! Unsupported means don't call if it don't work. It does not mean it will not work. It does work and if the DEQNA is working as it should (some dont) with few problems. It was done to retire the DEQNA as a then very old design that was replaced by the better, lower cost DELQA. You can get away with a DEQNA as late as 5.4-4, I'm running one! I was a digit then, and it was significant to my projects so I was in the loop as it were. Allison

24 years, 1 month

Punch Card Humor

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > Years ago, in the book "Steal this Book", Abbie Hoffman > > suggested that anytime you end up with a punch card, in > > order to be a troublemaker, soak the card in some solution > > that, once the card is dried, has cause it to shrink > > uniformly so that it will jam the reader. > > As you can see, he wasn't much of a "fan" of "the system". > > Why not just punch some extra holes in it? > /* was quite useful with 360 JCL Hmmm... that sounds familiar, he may have suggested that as an alternative method, using a razor blade... he'd have been pretty clueless about a keypunch, I think (although he started as a suit-and-tie guy). -dq

24 years, 1 month

Top collectable machines

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: R. D. Davis [mailto:rdd@rddavis.org] > Don't you mean a MultiVAX? :-) :-) :-) Maybe the dual-cpu VAX-11 configuration could be considered a MultiVAX? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 1 month

Thinning the heard

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Dan Wright wrote: > > > how about this: whoever's giving away the equipment can do it in whatever way > > they damn well please? it's their stuff, after all... sheesh. > > Finally, some sense! Agreed. We associate here my mutual choice, and we haven;t chose to create a communal organizational structure (and a commune simply won'y work with most groupings of people[0]) [0] ObCommFactoid: not slamming communes, but having lived in one for nine months, I can tell you it takes a special group of people to make it work, and we weren't sufficiently special..

24 years, 1 month

OT: PayPal = payola?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Interesting one here... While composing a reply in Outlook 2001 (on a Mac OSX 10.1.2), I wrote 'PayPal'. Since I have the program check spelling before sending :-) it came up and thought I meant to write 'payola' instead of PayPal. Think M$ is trying to say something? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

24 years, 1 month

OT: national control of internet

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Sellam said: >...governments want to try to control the >content, for various political and social reasons (political dissent, >porn, etc.) As we all know, try as they might, they won't be able to >control it, .... There is a scary article in last week's Weekly Standard that makes this a more shaky proposition. Basically the contention in the article is that the internet in China effectively *has* been placed under the control of the Chinese government. The key technology there has been developed by Cisco, AT&T, and other telecom giants given suitable financial inducement by the chinese government, and as I understood the article, it involves putting firewalls around the entire country, with enough power to sniff packets for subversive terms to effectively render the internet unusable to elements unfriendly to the government. The article does hold out hope, based on cryptography, "pirate" links from Hong Kong, etc. Anyway, I'm not currently convinced that internet access is currently synonomous with freedom of information exchange. - Mark

24 years, 1 month

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