Jeffrey:
I made a board a couple of years ago that provided a current loop interface
and a pic for ascii/baudot and speed conversion. I am in the process of a
second-gen of that board. It will let you use a baudot machine to
interface to a 232 port in ascii.
If you get the 32, let me know; but don't pay too much. On the plus side,
even if you don't want the 32 down the road, you can find a 33 in ratty
cosmetic condition and swap the guts, since the 32 looks like it has a case
and stand in very good condition (not easy to find good cosmetics).
gil
>Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 22:32:58 -0600
>From:
>To: ClassicCmp Lists <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>Subject: ASR-32 Usable as Terminal?
>Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3010656618
>
>I just realized, *after* bidding, that this TTY on eBay is a 32, not a 33.
>Oops. Since it uses baudot code instead of ASCII and has a rotary dialer on
>its CCU, is it useless as a terminal for a PDP-11? What would be required to
>make it useful for a terminal?
>
>I'm thinking that I should cancel my bid. I want a TTY solely to have a
>period terminal for my PDP-11/20. :-/
>
>Yes, I have read the following in the "vital poop" thread:
>
>> Before you spend big bucks on ebay
>> ----------------------------------
>> A Model 33 has a four-row keyboard (not including the space bar).
>> A Model 32 has a three-row keyboard (not including the space bar).
>> The 33 is ascii, and the 32 is baudot.
>> You cannot (prctically) modify a 32 into a 33.
>
>--
>Jeffrey Sharp
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Gee! You musta worked at the same place, or one very like it. :) Ever
seen any of those old parts floating around?
Cheers!
Ed
San Antonio, Tx, USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Smith [mailto:eric@brouhaha.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 2:09 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Just for the sake of asking... (was - RE: Trivia Question)
Edward Tillman writes:
> It that a "real computer?"
Of course it was!
But they didn't so much have light pens as "light guns", right?
And I can't think of too many other computers that had ashtrays
built into the consoles.
I just got a Calcomp 563 incremental plotter. Does anybody have a manual
that I could get a copy of or at least know the pinout of the connector and
what the mate is (round multipin). Also does anybody know where I can
get supplies such at the 30" sprocket feed paper rolls (still doing a web
search but only found 36" so far) and the pen. The pen looks like a short
ballpoint cartridge so hopefully I can cut a normal one down if I can't
find an identical one.
Thanks,
David Gesswein
http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Run an old computer with blinkenlights.
>A DECserver 300 is about 19"x12"x4.5", weighs 10-15 lbs (guessing), and has
>16 MMJ's (modified modular jack), an AUI (thickwire Ethernet), and a
>10Base5 (coax Ethernet) connection on the rear. Mine has a "tabletop"
>plastic shell on it with rubber feet under it, although many of these were
>sold without the case and were rack mounted. My unit has a beige-ish plastic
>shell over a gray metal box. Units without the plastic shell with be gray
>and "gold" alodyne finished" aluminum.
Ok, then I'm pretty sure it isn't in the dumpster. Something of this
size/appearance would have caught my eye. If it had been along the lines
of a PC desktop or tower case, I could see that I might have over looked
it, but anything rack mount I think I would have noticed. But I think I
may take another swing by tomorrow during the day. The place should be
closed since Paramus has annoying Blue Laws and nothing is allowed to be
open on a Sunday. So that should give me some daylight and peace to dig
some more.
>Please PLEASE keep the book - I am sure someone will want it as they are
>MUCH harder to locate than the device itself! I would ask for it but I
>already have both the DECserver and a manual.
I don't think it is a complete manual. There are two, both still
shrinkwrapped, but they are more like a booklet then a manual. Pretty
small. I don't recall what exactly they said on them. I plan to sort thru
the stuff Monday. There may be other manuals that I missed. There is TONS
of junk paperwork in the dumpster, so locating manuals would be a chore.
If it doesn't pretty much land in your hand, it is unlikely to be spotted.
There is one person on the list who has right of first refusal on the DEC
stuff. Once he has taken what he wants, if there is anything left, I'll
offer it up to the list.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
George R. Gonzalez wrote:
> I'm in a bit of an embarrasing situation-- after getting this nice Model
> 32 WU tty, tsting it out, finding out it works perfectly, I finally
> realize -- I don't have any space for it! ... So I've reluctantly put it
> up for auction on eBay.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3010656618
I just realized, *after* bidding, that this TTY on eBay is a 32, not a 33.
Oops. Since it uses baudot code instead of ASCII and has a rotary dialer on
its CCU, is it useless as a terminal for a PDP-11? What would be required to
make it useful for a terminal?
I'm thinking that I should cancel my bid. I want a TTY solely to have a
period terminal for my PDP-11/20. :-/
Yes, I have read the following in the "vital poop" thread:
> Before you spend big bucks on ebay
> ----------------------------------
> A Model 33 has a four-row keyboard (not including the space bar).
> A Model 32 has a three-row keyboard (not including the space bar).
> The 33 is ascii, and the 32 is baudot.
> You cannot (prctically) modify a 32 into a 33.
--
Jeffrey Sharp
Great show Sellam,
I was really drooling over that apple 1 in the wooden
case!
hope to see more classic computers from your
collection
on tech tv.
BTW any more info or updates an that very rare fps
mini?
Bill
I have been busy debugging my PDP-8/L that last worked when stored
in the barn around 1995. It is slowly coming back to life - still
having problems with the core memory.
I have noted one strange and recurrent problem. So far I have
changed nine bad 7440's on a variety of modules, mostly core
drivers (G221, G228) which have had their outputs stuck, usually
high. All of them were labeled "DEC7440" with a date code of 7005!
Currently lower page locations won't write the lower bits 5-11 (or
at least return zeroes). The only common denominator for data bits
5-11 are at slot A09, where the MEM ENABLE 5-11 and MA ENABLE 5-11
lines are driven by, you guessed it, M617's featuring 7440's.
Haven't verified this yet but it's a safe bet where at least some
of the problem is!
Has anyone else experienced this problem? Seems like the chip
manufacturer must have had a few specks of dust in the fab room
that day in Apr. 1970...
-Charles
I'm pretty sure it's a LK250, this is a Dec Keyboard for PC's I've used it
on AT class machines, but it's been gathering dust for a few years.
(think LK201 for PeeCee)
asking $30 plus S&H OBO (make me an offer, It can't hurt to ask)
> I'm on it - I'm maybe 2 hours away from there so I can pick up,
assuming a)
> I can get it in the garage and b) my girlfriend doesn't kill me :)
I'll send flowers. 8^)=
Lee.
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Hi Tom,
I found you after a google search.
I used to have several working H89s but I got rid of all them. Now I've
found 5 H89 floppies which I think contain good information but of course I
can't read them any longer. I live in Grand Rapids Michigan and would drive
a couple of hours to visit someone who owns a working H89 just to find out
what is on those floppies. Do you know of anyone who could help me?
Max Buhler: mbuhler(a)itt-tech.edu
Some of my bits not setting turned out to be bad parts on the
front panel! 15 years ago I installed LEDs/resistors in place of
all the (mostly burned out) incandescent lamps. One had a cracked
composition resistor, and the other an open (base-emitter) driver
transistor.
As I posted earlier, the problem with the core not reading/writing
bits 5-11 was indeed the MEM ENABLE signal from the M617 in slot
A09. But the 7440 was good for a change (not one of the bad batch
with 7005 date code). Turns out the wire from that pin on the
backplane was installed too tightly at the factory and had shorted
through the insulation to a ground pin. Now the core works, and
CPU executes various test programs; SR, AC, MB, MA all working
fine... EXCEPT it won't read/write on any of the 128 bytes of page
0! Going to try to figure that one out tonight...
Another strange find - the PROTECT key did not, in fact, protect
the upper page (7600-7777) of core. I found a factory-appearing
wire on the backplane, jumpering the output of an inverter
directly to ground! Some idiot probably was bothered by noise
giving false PROT errors or couldn't figure out that the switch is
off when in the down position, and just shorted the signal out.
Now that works, too. Didn't fix the page-0 problem either.
The DF and IF switches do nothing (i.e. flipping them does not
bomb a running program, or prevent reading/writing from the front
panel switches), but I think that's normal without the extra 4K
installed.
-Charles
Hi all,
How would one go about disassembling a calcupen? Mine is not coming up
anymore with a fresh battery. I would like to see what's up inside: look for
corosion and stuff.
Thanks
Francois
Minnesota
Hi Tim, The format is 64K x 1 with an access time of 200ns. It
was introduced sometime before 1982 as it appears in my 1982
IC Master. I have specs for the 6664 part if that would help,
but it is supposed to be compatible with the more generic 4164
chip in case you already have specs for that.
Best regards, Steve Thatcher
>--- Original Message ---
>From: "Tim" <thodgson(a)pnc.com.au>
>To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>Date: 2/28/03 2:02:18 PM
>
G'day,
>I've recently been going through a few items I had tucked away
& found a bunch
>of IC's...
>Now I'm going through them, one by one, & trying to find as
much info I can
>find.
>
>So far, I've found nothing on the Motorola MCM6665BP20, a 16pin
chip with a
>secondary code of FQD8432.
>I'm trying to find complete specs, any idea's?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Tim.
I picked up an HP 2100A a couple of days ago and before I do anything with
it I'd like to find some hardware reference docs which describe the boards
which should be installed, along with schematics and such. I haven't found
a copy on the web. Does anyone know where a copy might be found?
I have no idea if I have a full set of cards for a functional CPU. All of
the blue slots are full of A1-A9 cards. I assume those are the main CPU
logic cards. It also looks like there is a 4K two card core memory set
(XYD/SSA) plus an 8K two card core memory set. Plus whatever the ID/IDL/DC
cards do.
The power switch key is gone. Is there a way to bypass that? Also the F5
fuse cap and fuse is gone from the back panel. I hope that is not a sign of
power supply problems.
The boards installed in the CPU card cages are the following:
Front Cage Rear Cage
A1 XYD -\ 02100-60052 top jumper
A2 SSA(4K) -/
A3 SSA -\ 02100-60054 top jumper
A4 XYD -/
A5 ID(16K) -\ \ ribbon cable top jumpers
A6 IDL | /
A7 DC -/
A8
A9
(twelve empty slots)
TERM
BUF'R'D TTY 12531
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What does a DEC Server 300 look like? About how big are we talking about?
I unloaded the dumpster pulls from last night, and one of the manuals was
marked DEC Server 300. So I'm kind of assuming that might be the DEC the
other parts came from. I'm thinking of going back for another dive
tonight, so I'm wondering what exactly I should be looking for. Or if
this is a large machine, I can pretty well say that it isn't in the
dumpster.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
>> I read somewhere that it could be converted to a 11/53 with a minimal
>> effort. How much trouble?
>Rip out the CXA's (16-port serial boards), add a disk and/or tape
>controller, and perhaps some memory. Off you go. The heart of
>the DECserver 550 was/is indeed a barebones /53 CPU. Which comes
>with 512KB RAM on the CPU card, and its console serial port.
I don't believe you are "ready to go" after this mod. I seem
to remember that the ROMs on the DS500 use special boot code
and that they need to be replaced to be a normal 11/53. I
saw some posts on one of the newsgroups from someone who had
done it.
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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| | |
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+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
>Any body on here seriously interested in the HP 7905 and 7906 disk drives?
possibly, depending on location (i'm in the SF bay area)
12995 isn't showing up on any of my parts lists. Was it an HP1000 interface card?
There's a programme on BBC2, Thursday 6th March at 6.30AM (yup, AM), called
"The Programmers"
It purports to be about "the history of computing, from hardware and
software to programming, and the people who devised the code to make them
work".
I'll tape it (if I remember). I suspect it's an Open University programme,
so with a bit of luck it'll show some truly old hardware, as well as some
shocking kipper ties and psychedelic chunky-knit jumpers :)
--
Cheers, Ade.
Be where it's at, B-Racing!
http://b-racing.com
I came across reference to a file, LAMP.ZIP, you posted briefly for the
Classic Computer list back in '99. Would it be possible for me to get this
file? I'm fascinated by the idea of making counters, logic gates, and
memory elements using neon lamps, but repeated google searches reveal very,
very little hard information (other than there were such circuits).
Also, I've read a few pages on early calculators (such as the Anita) using
something similar to neon lamps for logic gates and ring counters, though
the pictures lead me to believe they are actually 4-lead gas triodes or
thyratrons of some kind. Do you know what these beaties actually were?
Finally, I've repeatedly run across mention that neon device switching is
slow, but how slow are they?
You assistance is appreciated!
-RLN
I recently picked up a TRS-80 model 4, that seems to have problems with
its floppy drives.
The machine is a base Model 4 with 64KB of ram (I think - haven't yet
taken the EMF shield off the mainboard), and no peripherals attached.
When I powered it up the first time, with or without a disk in the
(bottom) drive, it displayed "Cass?" on the screen, and then I could press
enter to that and the "Memory size?" prompt, and get a basic prompt.
I tried swapping the floppy drives, and that time I got a "Diskette?"
prompt if there was no disk in the drive, and pressing any keys didn't
cause anything to happen. If I put a disk in the drive, the machine never
displays anything, and then after 10-20 seconds, the drive light goes out.
I tried connecting only one drive at a time, with the same results. If I
connected a 1.2MB floppy that I had laying around (a Teac FD-55GFR-149-U),
it did the same thing as if the drives were swapped. Yes, I realize that
the drive probaly wasn't going to work, I just wanted to see if it did
anything.
Also, the disk I used was supposed to be a TRS-DOS (bootable) disk, but
it's possible that they've gone bad after so many years. Are the disks on
the Model 4 recorded so that I can read them on a PC (IE 48/96tpi MFM,
compatible with the NEC D765)? I'd like to know if I can make backup
images and/or see if the disks work on another machine.
Thanks.
Pat
--
Purdue Universtiy ITAP/RCS
Information Technology at Purdue
Research Computing and Storage
http://www-rcd.cc.purdue.edu
--- Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> There is no way any of this will make him see the light about Linux
> or UNIX or anything... he's an HP Customer Engineer on assignment
> with a company laptop and a Digital Personal Alpha Workstation (VMS)
> by his desk (no CD-R drive).
Although I don't think this will help this particular guy, I would
like to say that I have solved the usual "Do I run Windows or {Linux,*BSD}
on my laptop" dilema by running both at the same time under VMware.
I have installed OpenBSD on a separate partition (so that I can boot
native if I have to), but I mostly boot Windows 2000 and run OpenBSD
under VMware. I can then run a Windows-based X-Server (eXceed) and
talk to the OpenBSD, and even use samba (on the OpenBSD) to mount
filesystems from the Windows side. VMware allows direct access to
devices (e.g. CDROM, USB,e tc) which means that I can mount any kind
of CD and access it using Unix tools). OpenBSD can even see the network
so that I can run ssh, IPsec etc from the OpenBSD environment rather than
messing with the Windows equivalents.
(like I said this is general FYI, which may or may not be particularly
applicable to that particular guy).
**vp