test-drb

test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

101090 discussions

by cclist＠sydex.com

I was helping a fellow with a writeup on the CDC STAR-100 (circa 1974) and stumbled across some of the old manuals on bitsavers. You know, back in 1975, the machine was arguably the fastest in the world (I won't get into benchmark results, but it was definitely in competition with Cray). I'd forgotten that the maximum memory available was a megaword (64-bit words) and that standard was half a meg. Back around then, being able to run linpack really fast mattered a lot--and gave rise to oddball ventures like Saxpy (the company, not the subroutine, although the two are not unrelated). Consider that that's 8MB by today's standards, barely enough to host Windows 98. On the other hand, the CPU is still pretty complex by today's standards--and we had 256 64-bit registers to work with. I guess it's like one's childhood home. When you return decades later to visit, you can't get over how SMALL everything seems. Cheers, Chuck

19 years, 9 months

Mercury cells (was e: Sharp PC-1211)

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

On 8/31/06, Roy J. Tellason <rtellason at verizon.net> wrote: > On Tuesday 29 August 2006 09:02 pm, Josef Chessor wrote: > > mercury cells. Today, since they're illegal in the US from what I > > understand, > > Are they? Anybody know for sure? I know they were hard to find last time I > looked (over a decade ago) but there were some out there... In 1995, I was unable to buy mercury cells for my Konica 35mm SLR. I _was_ able to find a set at a store in Christchurch, NZ. Dunno if they are still legal there or not. -ethan

19 years, 9 months

Can anyone here burn a MMI6309 PROM for a Lisa?

by death69inc＠sbcglobal.net

seen a real old post about chip programming noticed you had a data i/o 29b I have been looking for information abtou this programmer as I am looking into buy a porgrammer and everyone keeps telling me I shoudl ge thtis type with a unipak 2b but seems noone will tell me what I will need to use this system as in drivers ....front end since data i/o no longer give help for this item I must rely on someone that has one to help me out ...there are a few on ebay and im thinking of getting one but none of the sellers are the users so can not tell me anythign about them other than they passed self tests... either way if there is anyway you can help me out least maybe tell mewhere drivers and or front end can be downloaded or somthign would be great.. thanks chris

19 years, 9 months

more found boards

by Billy.Pettit＠wdc.com

Roy J. Tellason wrote: Got one 8-bit card here that also has an internal edge connector and I'm guessing it's a floppy interface -- there's a crystal, one big chip labeled Zilog Z765APS and what I'm guessing is a data separator chip socketed, looks like UM8326, and a bunch of LSTTL glue logic. ------------------------------------ Billy: Very likely - the Z765 was a cross license chip from NEC. I think they got the best of the deal, being able to use Zilog cores. The 765 never impressed me. --------------------------------------- Got one which is an 8-bit card only there's a little sticker near the card edge connector that says "pls plug into the 16 bits slot only" -- why would they do that? This one has a DB25M on the metal bracket, which is also labeled "Scanner Interface", is this supposed to be some kind of crude SCSI? There are a couple of chips labeled "SPOT" (a logo actually), and silkscreened on the board it says "SPOT Fototak 2E-Card". The note on the bag says "Parallel port" but I'm not sure that means anything. About four chips on the board (2 of which look like RAM) and a jumper block, 2x3 with 2 on there. ----------------------------------------- Billy: This sounds like the primitive SCSI that a lot of scanner folks would send out with the early scanners. PCs had moved over to IDE, so a lot of low cost systems didn't have native SCSI boards. Adaptec made a slew of these. Even new and at that time, you could find them at Fry's for $12-15. I remember seeing a few of them with the early external CD burners. Many were SCSI, at least up to the 8X level. Then ATA won, again demonstrating that cheap beats capability every time. ----------------------------------------------- The next one is labeled (in the foil) "ICS2110 Demo Board Rev. A" and sure enough there seems to be a square socketed chip labeled ICS2110 in there. An array of eight of what I'm guessing are RAM, some LSTTL, two 8-pole DIP switches, and four jumper blocks with one jumper on each. A TDA1545 ("Stereo Continuous Calibration DAC"), a couple of NE5532 op amp chips, a whole mess of capacitors, two trimpots (?) and two of what appear to be audio jacks at the metal bracket. This one's a 16-bit card. The last one is also a 16-bit card. On the metal brack is a 50-pin connector (same thing you'd see on an Adaptec 1520, 1540, etc.) and on the opposite end is a 4-pin "drive power" (like in any PC) connector for power to apparently be supplied_to_ the card, a small button ("tac" switch), and a 2x5 pin shrouded connector. And across the top of the card is a big 2.4 ohm 10W (!) power resistor, not the sort of thing I'm used to seeing on "PC" hardware. This one's all surface mount, and the one square chip in there is marked "Altera", not a name I'm at all familiar with. No other markings on the board except a sticker hiding under that big resistor with a barcode and a rather long number on it. ------------------------------------------------ Billy: I'm guessing on this one. The big resistor sounds like a current source for some sort of burner. Altera is a programmable logic company. I wonder if you have one of their early programmers? The programmers had two parts, the PCB and another box with ZIF sockets external to the PCB. The cables were about 24 inches long, but I remember them as plugged into Molex connectors. Can you get us some photos? Might bring back more accurate memories. -------------------------------------------------- Anybody know what these are, any of them?

19 years, 9 months

Need 8 Bit VGA for PC XT 5160

by mbbrutman-cctalk＠brutman.com

I have a beautiful 5160 XT with 512KB, 10MB hard disk, monochrome card and a 5151 display. To make the machine slightly more useful I'd like to find a VGA card that will run in an 8 bit slot. CGA would be more original, but I can't fit another monitor in the office. I can connect the XT to my 20" flat panels through their VGA connectors, which is perverse in a way but it will work ... That way I have room for the 5151 as well. If you have such a beast or can at least tell me what to look for I'd appreciate it. I read the list religiously, but replies that are not interesting to everybody else should go to me off-list. Mike http://www.brutman.com/PCjr PS: I've got a 3COM Etherlink II (3C503) and software ready to go .. this baby is going on IBM's internal network! :-)

19 years, 9 months

Floppy disk sizes ( was Re: Compaq Portable III fails POST? )

by aliensrcooluk＠yahoo.co.uk

--- Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote: > On Mon, 21 Aug 2006, Don wrote: > > I think 8.00 is the *last* that will fit on a 5" > floppy. > > 8.04 requires 3" floppies -- though I haven't > checked to see if > > 3.5" I used 3" drives with a Compaq, but eventual ly > switched to 3.5" > > Huh? 3" floppies too! That means there are 5 different floppy disk sizes that I now know of: 3" 3.5" 5" 8" 12" (used on a special Sony Laservision machine) Are there any more?? Regards, Andrew B aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk

19 years, 9 months

Question about Z80 ISA bus board

by bob099＠centurytel.net

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:06:30 >From: "Joe R." <rigdonj at cfl.rr.com> >Subject: Re: Question about Z80 ISA bus board >To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20060831180630.0f97b98c at pop-server.cfl.rr.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I don't know about this particular board but several companies did build >Z-80 boards to fit into a PC an allow you to run CPM. I used to have one >made by Baby Blue or some such. > > Joe > > >At 08:16 PM 8/30/06 -0500, you wrote: > > >>Hope to generate less heat this time. >> >>Full length ISA card, XT card edge connection, DB 37 male connector, >>Z80B, 8 4164's, 2 2764's, 2 Mostek MK4801AN-4's, MC1420B, 10 MHZ >>crystal, and a handful of 74LSxxx glue chips. Only identification >>lettering is "BETRONIX = SWEDEN=PC84" >> >> >>Anyone have an ideal what it could be? Betronix made circuit board >>layout software. >> >> >> Looks like my choice is to dig up an ISA bus machine and plug it in and see what happens.

19 years, 9 months

Calculators on desktops (was Re: Octal)

by aliensrcooluk＠yahoo.co.uk

--- M H Stein <dm561 at torfree.net> wrote: > > Well, of course you'd use whatever you like and ru ns > in the OS of your > choice, but it's interesting to note how many peop le > still use a "real" > calculator when there's probably one on the screen > in front of them, > not to mention a spreadsheet program; every office > user I visit still > has a calculator on his/her desk... > Yeah, but it's often hidden. Until a few months ago I had no idea there was a Calculator available on Windows 2K (the company I work for generally uses Windows from 5 years ago as we have loads of computers to pay licenses for?). A work colleague who's into computers (mainly modern stuff, but I did get a twinkle in his eye when I mentioned about the Dragon 32 once and he went on about how he used them at college/university in the 80's) showed me how to find it. It's hidden (along with other applications) in the "sys32/" (?) directory somewhere in the OS files (I'm no windows expert, though I know W95 beta version inside out from when I went on work experience). Now whenever I need it and it's not listed under applications (we move about alot in the lab and use diff computers each week), I just do a quick filesearch, dump it on the desktop and on the main drop-up (?) menu that appears when you click on the Start button, incase I have a screen full of windows. Now almost everyone uses it (largely because calc's are so hard to find in the lab). The "scientific" mode includes binary, octal, hex and decimal, aswell as proper maths functions. Regards, Andrew B aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk

19 years, 9 months

C64 Packet carts

by jdaviscctalk＠soupwizard.com

On Mon, August 28, 2006 3:27 pm, William Donzelli wrote: ... > As for Ebay - I tried selling some packet stuff over the past few > months, and buyers were not much around. > > -- > Will What a coincidence - this morning I started looking into what I'd need to get into packet radio. There's a couple of hams here who'll help me out, I have no license, equipment, or anything (except computers). What packet stuff do you have available ? (reply via email, as I suspect this is OT) On-topic, though, is that I wanted to use some of my vintage computing gear to do packet radio (too bad I missed those c64 carts - that'd be a hoot!). I was trying to think of what to do with an old machine that would be productive, and packet radio popped in my head. I have an old Sun 3/80 or a Sparcstation 10 I could set up. Is there any packet software for old 68k macs (I have a clean mac II that's begging to be used for something). jdavis

19 years, 9 months

C64 Packet carts

by kelly＠catcorner.org

> Actually, one reason I've never got into packet radio is a lack of > information one the internals of the TNC. I've not found an > 'open' one -- > as in published schematics and ROM source listings. try www.tapr.org TNC1 comes with rom listings and schematics. Maybe it is missing something...

19 years, 9 months

Mercury cells (was e: Sharp PC-1211)

by wbblair3＠yahoo.com

> > > > mercury cells. Today, since they're illegal in the US from what I > > > > understand, > > > Are they? Anybody know for sure? I know they were hard to find last > > > time I looked (over a decade ago) but there were some out there... > > In 1995, I was unable to buy mercury cells for my Konica 35mm SLR. I > > _was_ able to find a set at a store in Christchurch, NZ. Dunno if they are > > still legal there or not. > > Yes, according to Camera & Camera (big local camera store in Auckland) > they're still legal and available here (NZ). They can no longer be sold in the US because of their mercury content. However, when I was investigating some time ago if there were any compatible substitutes for the mercury cell used in the metering system of an old Yashicamat 124 medium format camera I owned, the use of type AC675E zinc-air cells was recommended. Someone made an adapter/holder for these modern cells which was the same form factor as the old mercury cells and intended for camera owners in this situation. This might give you a lead on where to look. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

19 years, 9 months

Sharp PC-1211

by THX1138＠dakotacom.net

Hi, I've a Sharp PC-1211 with CE-122 "Printer & Cassette Interface". But, I'll be damned if I can figure out how to make the printer *work*! It advances paper when manually commanded to do so. But, I can't figure out how to get the 1211 to print *to* it! Thanks! --don

19 years, 9 months

IBM 5630

by marvin＠rain.org

An IBM 5630 has been listed on VCM free for pickup. It includes: Expansion cabin, 8" Diskette Changer, 2 X Reel to Reel tape drives, 2 X Line printers http://www.vintagecomputermarketplace.com/

19 years, 9 months

A tree to grow (Was: Statement & apology (was Re: 10 Year Rule))

by dm561＠torfree.net

--------Original message: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:27:47 +0200 From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke at siemens.com> Subject: A tree to grow (Was: Statement & apology (was Re: 10 Year Rule)) <snip> what I found was a small group of rather unique and mature people. People that did have a real life, quite a difference to some tight bean counters often found. This rich vault of knowledge not only includes profound computer knowledge, but was eualy visible when the topics discussed went astray. ... And even the most firce discusion about weapons or cars came in a natural way all back sooner or later to our core topic. <snip> --------Reply: Well, as is usually the case, some of the people who later join a list are not always as serious or mature as the founders... So, if I understand you, you're saying that discussions about weapons, cars, etc. are OK on this list and will eventually die on their own, but we definitely need a "RULE" to make sure that none of this "vault of knowledge" is made available to someone with a computer manufactured after August 1996? You're not worried that allowing discussions of the relative merits of a Luger vs. a Glock will turn this list into a weapons forum, as some people are about new-ish computers? Hans, I respect you enormously, but this is just silly. And as far as Jay being some kind of autocratic czar, _obviously_ from time to time this list needs someone with some authority and control to step in and get things back on track (unfortunately). If we need a rule (for what they're worth) I think the only relevant one is that discussions here have something to do with *COMPUTERS*! Considering the disdain prevailing here for users of PCs and anything from Seattle, I'd think that anyone asking how to install XP Home on his Athlon will either be ignored or quickly taken off-list; what are you guys getting so exercised and anal about? mike -------------- "Doing it right is no excuse for not meeting the schedule." (Unknown)

19 years, 9 months

Imaging DEC uVAX MFM drives

by oldcpu＠rogerwilco.org

Paul Thompson wrote: > On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, J Blaser wrote: > >> >> At this point the system just hangs right there. I never get any >> kind of login prompt or any other messages. Looks like it's really >> wanting some NFS volumes that no longer are available. >> > > I suggest booting single user mode. You look to be 99% booted and > perhaps someone doesn't have a getty turned on the console. > > I have a mips ultrix machine so my console doesn't work the same, but > google around some. It would be BOOT/R5:00000001 DKAxxx or something > similar. I have a boot manual around somewhere if google isn't > forthcoming. > I'll give that a try. I don't have any information on the various boot options/parameters, and am just winging this as I go. I'll try your command for kicks, as well as google around some before I pester you for the boot manual info. Thanks. Also, your reference to a MIPS ULTRIX machine is of interest, since another system I have that is in sequence for investigation is a DECsystem 5400 with an RF215(IIRC right now) expansion box. I sadly see that NetBSD is not available for this machine, but if I can recover Ultrix from it safely, then I might have some joy. Jared

19 years, 9 months

Anyone recognize this board?

by aek＠bitsavers.org

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280023622647 It's NOT a Qniverter.

19 years, 9 months

QIC 80 drive needed

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

I am engaged in a Personal IRIS troubleshooting attempt with a gentleman from B.C. (via the Internet) and he happened to drop that he had a A/UX tape that he could not read as his tape drive had "gone goo" It turns out to be A/UX 1.1 (!) Does anyone here nearish to BC have a working QIC-80 so we can get this thing backed up? Barring that, how about dimensions on roller tyres?

19 years, 9 months

Anyone recognize this board?

by kossow＠computerhistory.org

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280023622647 It's NOT a Qniverter.

19 years, 9 months

Octal

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: Octal > From: M H Stein <dm561 at torfree.net> > Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:13:38 -0400 > To: "'cctalk at classiccmp.org'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > >----------Original message(s): > >Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:14:14 +1200 >From: "Ethan Dicks" <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> >Subject: Re: Octal > >>> M H Stein wrote: >>> >>> I've found the Windows Calculator to be the most convenient >>> (nicer keyboard & display and doesn't take any desk space). >>> mike > >>I prefer 'dc', the calculator program that comes with UNIX - it does >>different radix inputs and outputs, and uses RPN, plus, I _always_ >>have a UNIX shell handy (and almost never have a real calculator or a >>Windows box in front of me). > >Well, of course you'd use whatever you like and runs in the OS of your >choice, but it's interesting to note how many people still use a "real" >calculator when there's probably one on the screen in front of them, >not to mention a spreadsheet program; every office user I visit still >has a calculator on his/her desk... Lesse, While the calc on my NT4 box has most of the right stuff it doesn't do logic (AND, OR, XOR, NOT) and if I ask for a "tape" the printer is at the other side of the room. Feh! Often I need the result when NOT at a PC. ><snip> >>I miss my old Sharp 4-banger with the flourescent digits. I have the >>parts in a bag, but it needs some serious plastic reconstruction - I >>think the plasticizer was all baked out - the case is seriously >>brittle. > >>-ethan > >That raises an interesting question: does anyone know of any substance >that actually "revitalizes" brittle plastic? None. In a few cases I used the old parts to cast new. Allison

19 years, 9 months

Octal

by dm561＠torfree.net

-----------Original message(s): Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:17:22 -0700 From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> Subject: Re: Octal >>On 8/30/2006 at 9:45 PM woodelf wrote: >>I find computer calculator programs a pain. >Depends on the calculator. I use this one all of the time and would love >to have it in a nice little handheld: >http://www.bias.at/Download/english/calcdle.htm >But it does the job right now. >Cheers, >Chuck --------Reply: Looks quite interesting, but does it do hexadecimal? Talk to Don, maybe he can whip one up for ya for a price :-) mike

19 years, 9 months

Octal

by dm561＠torfree.net

-----------Original message: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:45:23 -0600 From: woodelf <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca> Subject: Re: Octal >I find computer calculator programs a pain. That's a pretty sweeping statement; their keyboard and display are as good as the one you use every day, cut and paste is often handy for avoiding entry errors and you don't have another item on your (non-virtual) desktop; best of all, if you don't like anything out there you could presumably create your own. I am curious: what exactly is it that you don't like about them? >In fact it is hard to find a good calculator - read >nice display -- good keyboard. You don't find that >with the $5 calculator market. I'm obviously less demanding; I'm quite happy with my $1.00 calculator: nice large LCD display, full size keys and solar-powered. Cheaply made, true, but that's why it cost $1.00, and it's served me well for 3 or 4 years; if it dies I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and spend another $1.00. I for one am amazed and delighted that calculators, computers etc. can be manufactured as cheaply as they are while in general being much more efficient/useful/powerful and just as reliable (or more so) than the products of yore, which would presumably cost several orders of magnitude more if manufactured the same way today and be completely out of my reach pricewise. mike

19 years, 9 months

DATIP from clr always? (obscure unibus & pdp-11 question)

by brad＠heeltoe.com

An obscure unibus & pdp-11 question: Does "clr" always do a DATIP (i.e. read-modify-write) on all 11's? It does on my 11/44. Something tells me I've seen threads (long ago) on this and the perils of using clr as opposed to "mov #0," when talking to hardware. The rl01 bootstrap does it talking to rl11 registers, which tripped me up for a bit. -brad

19 years, 9 months

Octal

by dm561＠torfree.net

----------Original message(s): Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:14:14 +1200 From: "Ethan Dicks" <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> Subject: Re: Octal >> M H Stein wrote: >> >> I've found the Windows Calculator to be the most convenient >> (nicer keyboard & display and doesn't take any desk space). >> mike >I prefer 'dc', the calculator program that comes with UNIX - it does >different radix inputs and outputs, and uses RPN, plus, I _always_ >have a UNIX shell handy (and almost never have a real calculator or a >Windows box in front of me). Well, of course you'd use whatever you like and runs in the OS of your choice, but it's interesting to note how many people still use a "real" calculator when there's probably one on the screen in front of them, not to mention a spreadsheet program; every office user I visit still has a calculator on his/her desk... <snip> >I miss my old Sharp 4-banger with the flourescent digits. I have the >parts in a bag, but it needs some serious plastic reconstruction - I >think the plasticizer was all baked out - the case is seriously >brittle. >-ethan That raises an interesting question: does anyone know of any substance that actually "revitalizes" brittle plastic? m

19 years, 9 months

Vacuuum tube digital circuits (50 year rule)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: Re: Vacuuum tube digital circuits (50 year rule) > From: "Ethan Dicks" <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> > Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:55:47 +1200 > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > >On 8/31/06, woodelf <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca> wrote: >> The ads list a 12au7 for about 65 cents in 1955. In 2006 a generic 12au7 >> is about $8.00. I suspect a better deal now than 50 years ago. > >Hmm... if I leave off seconds and just go with minutes/hours, I think >I have enough. Even with modern wages, a bag full of tubes costs >enough to make me want to simplify the design. Hunt a bit I've found Vacuum tubes NOS (New Old Stock) to be widely available. The prices vary widely. To do time.. 12:59 should give you a hint. You need 3 counters only one is decade. the tens of minutes is 0..5 (/6) and hours is either /12 or /24. >The real trick, now, I guess, is how to take 60Hz mains and clock it >down to 1/60Hz with 1955 technology. You need a decade counter and a /6 counter for that, same general circuit just no disply. For simpler you can use several retriggerable monostable with time out being just longer than say 10 cycles and a second with time out of >6 cycles. At most three tubes to do that (12au7/12ax7/12at7). Back when Grumman plant-33 closed (LM project) I picked up a Beckman EPUT (events per unit time) and it was basically 5 digits of that style counter (counted to 5mhz, 8 on a good day) a time base and input circuits (Schmidt trigger). All tubes! Allison

19 years, 9 months

DATIP from clr always? (obscure unibus & pdp-11 question)

by bqt＠softjar.se

Don North <ak6dn at mindspring.com> skrev: > >Brad Parker wrote: >> > Don North wrote: >>> >> On all the discrete logic 11s and LSI11 the CLR instr does a >> > ... >> > >> > thanks! >>> >> So if your hardware can't tolerate a read access to a register, then you >>> >> can do a MOV #0,ADR instead of CLR ADR (and make a note in your code why >>> >> so some poor soul 30 years from now understands why you are doing a >>> >> non-optimal MOV #0,xxx!) >> > >> > I fixed the hardware :-) I was just curious about which machines did >> > what. >> > >> > The problem was that the two transactions are back to back and the bus >> > master keeps overnership. I was waiting for BBSY to go away... >> > >> > -brad > >The 'original' use for DATIP-DATO (vs a sequence of DATI, DATO) was to >let core memory know it did not have to do the read-restore cycle, since >a DATO was coming right away to the exact same location and would >overwrite with new data. The memory could then be a little bit faster. >With MOS memory this is not necessary. > >Some later CPUs (11/74) iirc altered all the 'normal' memory accesses to >be just DATI and DATO(B) cycles, and implemented the special sequence >DATIP-DATOB for the ASRB instruction to act as the atomic memory >interlock. But I digress... > >Don I don't remember for sure here, but can't you have other times where several transactions come back to back without the bus being released? I really should look into the documentation, unfortunately it's not where I am right now. As for the 11/74, it didn't modify the interpretation of the Unibus transactions, since the memory isn't on the Unibus. :) The 11/7x memory bus do have a transaction that keeps the location locked until a write have occurred however. Not used in the 11/70, but the 11/74 uses that. (Obviously.) It's documented in the memory subsystem manual for the 11/70. The only instruction using that bus transaction is the ASRB howewer. Not sure if the 11/84 might have redefined the Unibus somewhat. I remember that there is some note about possible problems with some Unibus devices in an 11/84, but I think it has to do with timing during a bus reset. Wish my memory was more accurate. :) Johnny

19 years, 9 months

Jump to page:

2026

2025

2024

2023

2022

2021

2020

2019

2018

2017

2016

2015

2014

2013

2012

2011

2010

2009

2008

2007

2006

2005

2004

2003

2002

2001

2000

1999

1998

1997

test-drb