31 Aug
2006
31 Aug
'06
5:45 p.m.
I have a beautiful 5160 XT with 512KB, 10MB hard disk, monochrome card
and a 5151 display. To make the machine slightly more useful I'd like
to find a VGA card that will run in an 8 bit slot.
CGA would be more original, but I can't fit another monitor in the
office. I can connect the XT to my 20" flat panels through their VGA
connectors, which is perverse in a way but it will work ... That way I
have room for the 5151 as well.
If you have such a beast or can at least tell me what to look for I'd
appreciate it. I read the list religiously, but replies that are not
interesting to everybody else should go to me off-list.
Mike
http://www.brutman.com/PCjr
PS: I've got a 3COM Etherlink II (3C503) and software ready to go ..
this baby is going on IBM's internal network! :-)
31 Aug
31 Aug
6:35 p.m.
On 8/31/2006 at 7:45 PM Michael B. Brutman wrote:
If you have such a beast or can at least tell me what
to look for I'd
appreciate it. I read the list religiously, but replies that are not
interesting to everybody else should go to me off-list.
Oh, Paradise and Video7 are two that come to mind right off. There are
many others.
However, don't let the "8 bit ISA" thing discourage you from trying 16-bit
ISA cards in your 5160. Many can function in either 8 or 16 bit mode. To
make sure that I'm not shoveling smoke, I just took a generic 16-bit
Tsenglabs TS-4000 16-bit card and plugged it into an XT clone. Works just
fine.
Cheers,
Chuck
6:42 p.m.
On Thursday 31 August 2006 09:35 pm, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 8/31/2006 at 7:45 PM Michael B. Brutman wrote:
Interesting! And I had heard that before but forgot it...
Some 8-bit MBs had stuff that would get in the way of doing this, though.
If anybody needs some I *do* have a 16-bit VGA card or two that I don't expect
to be needing any time soon. :-)
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M Dakin
If you have such a beast or can at least tell me
what to look for I'd
appreciate it. I read the list religiously, but replies that are not
interesting to everybody else should go to me off-list.
Oh, Paradise and Video7 are two that come to mind right off. There are
many others.
However, don't let the "8 bit ISA" thing discourage you from trying 16-bit
ISA cards in your 5160. Many can function in either 8 or 16 bit mode. To
make sure that I'm not shoveling smoke, I just took a generic 16-bit
Tsenglabs TS-4000 16-bit card and plugged it into an XT clone. Works just
fine. 
6:57 p.m.
*snip*
Some 8-bit MBs had stuff that would get in the way of
doing
this, though.
Literally too, not just figuratively Usually in the form of a chip :(
This sounds a lot like what I did with my 5155, except that I didn't go so
far as VGA.
It has:
1.44MB floppy drive
AST RAMpage/2 card with 2MB RAM
ATI EGA Wonder hooked to internal display - this is the only card that will
work with the internal 5155 display. One hell of a tough thing to track
down.
Seagate ST02 connected to 9GB Seagate SCSI hard disk
AdLib Music Synthesizer card
On top of all this I've managed to make it look fairly stock and found a
proper drive mounting kit for it to make a 3.5" hard disk drive work in a
5.25" bay with the black bezel. The 3.5" floppy drive was a lot easier.
I spent a LOT of time working on this box, so I'm really proud of it. I did
the 256K to 640K mod, swapped in a V20 chip too.
Of course, I made the mistake of bringing it to VCFMW and putting it next to
a PDP11, so it got largely ignored.
Oh well :p
8 p.m.
On Thursday 31 August 2006 09:57 pm, Julian Wolfe wrote:
*snip*
Yeah, and I remember (and probably still have some of) 8-bit cards that had
some board extending downwards where you couldn't put them into a 16-bit slot
either...
Some 8-bit MBs had stuff that would get in the
way of doing
this, though.
Literally too, not just figuratively Usually in the form of a chip :( This sounds a lot like what I did with my 5155, except
that I didn't go so
far as VGA.
It has:
1.44MB floppy drive
AST RAMpage/2 card with 2MB RAM
ATI EGA Wonder hooked to internal display - this is the only card that will
work with the internal 5155 display. One hell of a tough thing to track
down.
I'm pretty sure I have an EGA card or two around but I don't think I have any
EGA monitors left. Good thing those cards will support other monitors as
well. :-)
Seagate ST02 connected to 9GB Seagate SCSI hard disk
AdLib Music Synthesizer card
On top of all this I've managed to make it look fairly stock and found a
proper drive mounting kit for it to make a 3.5" hard disk drive work in a
5.25" bay with the black bezel. The 3.5" floppy drive was a lot easier.
I have some of those hardware kits around too, intending to use a bunch of
them for HDs in cases I have here that have a lot of 5.25" bays, I seem to
be left with an excess of the ones for floppies.
I spent a LOT of time working on this box, so I'm
really proud of it. I
did the 256K to 640K mod, swapped in a V20 chip too.
I did a number of 8088-->V20 upgrades way back when, but am not at all sure
if any of the XT-class MBs I have might actually have one in there or not.
Of course, I made the mistake of bringing it to VCFMW
and putting it next
to a PDP11, so it got largely ignored.
:-)
Oh well :p
While searching for something else I looked in the closet here (no small feat
with the amount of stuff stacked in front of the door), and discovered that
there's a "flip-top" XT-style case in there I'd forgotten about. No
idea
what's in it at the present time, though.
--
Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can
be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
-
Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James
M Dakin
7:01 p.m.
On 8/31/06, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
However, don't let the "8 bit ISA" thing discourage you from trying 16-bit
ISA cards in your 5160. Many can function in either 8 or 16 bit mode. To
make sure that I'm not shoveling smoke, I just took a generic 16-bit
Tsenglabs TS-4000 16-bit card and plugged it into an XT clone. Works just
fine.
Interesting. Once I had two VGA cards, maybe Paradise brand. One is 16 bit
and one is 8 bit, but they have the same layout and the same chip set. The
only difference is that the 16 bit card has two EPROMs and the 8 bit card
has one. The maker just changed the BIOS memory width from 8 bit to 16 bit,
and a 8 bit VGA card magically turnedd into 16 bit.
vax, 9000
Cheers,
Chuck
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