From: "Ethan Dicks" <ethan.dicks at gmail.com>
> Strictly speaking, DOS is not limiting your signalling speed,
> but the ISA bus could be.
For 100Mbps ethernet, yes. You can only push a fraction of the bandwidth.
> There was one, only one, 100Mbps ISA card I ever
> ran across (by 3Com, but I can't remember the model number)
3c515
Might not be the only one, though. According to Dan Kegals Fast Ethernet
page (http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~dank/fe/) there's a rumor that Cogent and
Olicom had ISA 100TX cards. I've never seen or heard of one in the wild.
I distinctly recall there was a 100baseVG ISA card (I had a client who was
bad at math who wanted to go VG so they wouldn't have to upgrade to PCI
desktops). We all know how that turned out.
I've also seen someone put a 100Mbps PCMCIA card in an ISA-PCMCIA bridge,
but that's stretching the definition a bit.
On 6/12/06 01:45, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
> >> At 8:08 PM +0000 12/5/06, Adrian Graham wrote:
>
>> >>> We have some RD53s to test for a customer.....
>>
> >>
> >> You have my sympathy.
>
> Indeed, it looks like the original boot drive (also an RD53) long gave up
> the ghost, which is a shame because it had RT11 5.4 and one of the
> systems I wrote in the 1980's......
A microVAX II that I acquired earlier this year included a RD53/Micropolis drive. After reading various posts about these drives I had very low expectations for reviving it and hopefully discovering something interesting on it.
And to make matters more dire, during the pickup, when hefting the BA123 box to load it into the truck, the drive+sled slipped out and fell to the concrete floor, probably about 14".
So, with absolutely no positive expectations, after getting things ready for a quick drive dump by netbooting NetBSD and setting up a remote mount, I fired up the drives. Lo and behold, it worked! It spun up nicely, I heard the heads seek to 0 and all was good. Turned out that the drive only had a minimal Ultrix root filesystem, but I'm quite pleased that the drive still seems to work. I've fired it up many times since in the past 6 months with no problems.
Here's a suggestion. Knock that drive hard! ;) If the problem is that the heads are 'stuck', it just might kick them off the stop. If the drive is considered dead, might be worth a try!
J
By any chance, does anyone have a circuit board from a scrapped
Maxtor XT1140 or XT2140 (apparently interchangeable) that they'd
consider parting with?
mike
------------------------Original Message:
From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com>
Subject: Re: PDP11 adventures
At 7:00 PM +0000 12/6/06, Adrian Graham wrote:
>Indeed, it looks like the original boot drive (also an RD53) long gave up
>the ghost, which is a shame because it had RT11 5.4 and one of the systems I
>wrote in the 1980's......
If it's just something like the heads sticking, it might be possible
to revive the drive, at least long enough to get the data off. BTW,
while several other people have done this over the years, I didn't
have any luck the one time I tried to revive an RD53, so you'll want
to ask someone other than me any questions. :^)
I've even heard of people running the drives for years after fixing
the problem.
Zane
-----------------Reply:-------------------------------------------------------------------
I've run "sticky" Seagates for years; just had to give 'em a little push
start every time there was a power failure.
Here's another tip regarding RD53's
mike
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(From http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~jmcm/info/rd53fix.txt)
[RD53 spins up and down again]
This is a common failure mode for RD53s. If you have backups of what's on the
drive, then discard that drive and get a new one. If you have critical data on
that drive that you need to save, here's a trick that might let you get it
running for one last time:
1. Remove the drive from the machine. Disconnect the two data cables and the
power cable. If the drive has the plastic "sled" that DEC uses to mount
drives, remove that.
2. Remove the two screws that hold the main circuit board on the bottom of
the drive.
3. Flip the logic board up, taking care not to damage it or any of the ribbon-
like flexible circuits attached to it.
4. Underneath that board is the servo board. On one side of that board is a
small flexible circuit that originates in the sealed drive housing and
terminates in a plug on the servo board; I believe it's got three pins.
Disconnect this plug.
5. With the drive in this partially-disassembled state, re-connect the two
data cables and the power cable. Power-up the system. At this point, the
drive should spin up and stay up, but will not go 'ready'. If the drive
will not stay spun up at this point, then the drive is beyond help and you
are out of luck.
6. If the drive is spinning OK then re-connect the ribbon cable to the servo
board. The drive should go 'ready'.
7. Bring up your system and back up those data!
When replacing the drive, a Micropolis 1325, I suggest replacing it with a
better unit. A Micropolis 1335 will work OK -- all you need to do is jumper
position R7 on the drive's logic board for DEC controllers to recognize it as
an RD53. Better yet, get a Maxtor 2190 which is a DEC RD54. Not only do these
drives hold more, they seem to last longer.
Good luck,
---Bob.
--
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hi carlos!
i saw your thread on classiccmp.org. you seem to know alot about hp-ux. so here's my question: do you know of a way/program to convert dos/windows ascii files so they can be read by hp 9153c disk drive running on a hp 9000 series 300 computer. i think what i need is to be able to convert fat/ntfs file system to a lif, right?
thank-you!
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Hi,
I just wanted to let folks know that I've gotten my 11/70 setup with
BSD2.11. It now has 2 Fujitsu Eagles attached to an Emulex SC72. BSD
"thinks" there are 4 RP06 drives attached!
Now that I have enough disk storage on it, I'm going to start to image
the 200+ (yes, that's *not* a typo) RK05 packs. It'll take a seriously
long time to go through all of the packs since before I will put a
"strange" pack into the RK05 drive on the '70 (actually *any* of my RK05
drives), I disassemble the pack and completely clean the enclosure and
the platter. Since there's a fair amount of DEC distribution media
among the packs, I'll be doing the "high" value packs first. I'll let
folks know how it goes and try to put together a catalog of what's there.
I've configured this 11/70 (actually a DS570) to be able to read/write
RL01/2 packs and RK05 packs. It also has a TU80 so I can also
read/write 1600bpi 9-track tapes.
It also has a DELUA ethernet. BSD is configured for TCP/IP and I've set
it up to use one of my static IPs. DNS is pointing to it as
neptune.shiresoft.com. This will allow me to move bits on/off the '70
with relative ease.
I'm also contemplating letting it run 24/7 (I may reconsider once I see
my electric bill) and offering access to individuals. What do y'all think?
--
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Hi folks,
A complete IBM 1130 system just surfaced for sale in the midwestern
US. It is reputed to be one of the very first ones sold. It was used
by an architecture/engineering firm until a few years ago. It's an
impressive system: includes the CPU, external disk drives, 1403
printer, multiplex cabinet (interface for the disks and printer),
1442 card/read punch, 029 keypunch, documents and other stuff. We're
working getting more details. Buyer will have to arrange for pickup,
which will be a bit of a job as the machine is in a basement, and the
pieces weigh around 800 lbs each. (The multiplex box could weigh over
1000 lbs). We suspect that a stair crawler might be required.
We (we being Norm and Brian at ibm1130.org) don't know what the
seller expects to get for it. He's under pressure to get it sold and
moved within two weeks. This is a terrific system, but the pool of
interested people is fairly small, and the moving costs are going to
be considerable. (We would guess that the stair crawler alone will
cost $1500 or more to rent for the day, and trucking will cost
another $500 to 3500 depending on where in the US it goes -- overseas
would be much more). He's aware of this, and we hope that he's
realistic about it. We have an idea of what "realistic" might be and
could suggest what you might want to offer, if you want the advice.
If you're interested, contact Norm "at" ibm1130.org or contact me
directly, and we'll put you in touch with the seller. We'd really
like to see this system stay together and go to a person who's
interested in keeping it intact! We'd much rather see it go as a
whole package to a classiccmper than get pieced out on ebay.
Regards
Brian Knittel and Norm Aleks
Referring to people's "collections" or whatever they
may be of course. In particular I'd like to see Tony
Duell's list of, what was it, 170+ machines?? This
isn't the sort of site where a database can be stored
unfortunately. I hope I'm not being too bold...
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> Anybody know who 'doctor_death' happens to be? Pseudonym
> for 'dkdkk' maybe :-) ?
He is a 56 year old anesthesiologist in Salt Lake City.
Delightful..
Always a joy to hear of another deep-pockets collector appearing.
On 12/6/06, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
> I might be getting it confused with a 3rd party chassis, but I'm
> pretty sure I've seen a metal drive sled, rather than the standard
> DEC Plastic sleds. At the same time, getting the thickness right is
> what will cause problems I suspect.
Hmm... I don't recall ever seeing a metal drive sled for a BA23 (the
OP's expansion box), only black plastic, with maybe one translucent
grey one out of the whole lot.
>From what I remember about them, thickness is, of course, an important
dimension, but really only the edges... the part under the drive can
vary a bit and still leave room for a full-height drive, not that one
is horribly likely to be using anything that large with the abundance
of 1GB and 2GB 3.5" drives from their heyday 10 years ago.
I'd thought of, essentially, taking a plexiglass sheet, cutting the
outlines on a table saw (or whatever saw one has that can make long,
straight cuts (i.e., probably not a hand saw without a bunch of
filing), then using the dado blade and the fence to mill down the long
sides to the requisite thickness to fit down the slides in the BA23.
After that, the only fiddly bits are the drive screw holes and the
latch hole for the front of the plate, unless I've forgotten some
detail. I don't think the bent metal springs on the back of the plate
are _essential_, only nice to have where possible. In case I've
forgotten some detail, I was hoping someone with some experience
fabricating replacements could chime in - I, for one, have no idea
what any of the measurements might be, and I won't have a drive sled
in front of me for a month.
> >Viking and CMD controllers were also common, IIRC.
>
> It has been my experience that the Viking controllers were *very*
> common and rebadged by at least a couple companies. All of my main
> PDP-11's are using Viking QDT & UDT controllers.
I can entirely believe that.
> If he looks for a ESDI controller, I'd recommend the Webster WQESD/04
> controller. Personally it is the one non-SCSI 3rd party controller
> I'd want to run (I did for several years).
I've heard of that one, but I don't think I have any experience with it.
> I've found one of the advantages of SCSI is that it's easy to use
> drive trays to run multiple OS's.
Absolutely - quick swap-in-out, easy to get one drive per OS, etc.
> RT-11 is very nice.
Agreed.
> Somehow
> either RSX-11M or RSX-11M+ seem a bit more appropriate for the system
> in question. I'm not sure I'd recommend RSTS/E as a first OS.
Agreed as well. I have nothing against RSTS/E, but having worked with
all three OSes, I'd suggest learning something about RT-11 before
tackling RSTS, and even then, seeing if RSX11M or M+ had something to
offer before tackling RSTS. It has its place, but that place tended
to be larger systems intended for multiple simultaneous users. The
OP's CPU has plenty of horsepower to go around, but RSTS is complex
enough that it might take a lot of work to get a system to the point
where it's something fun to play on rather than a seemingly-perpetual
exercise in software archaeology. I've done both RSTS and RSX
sysgens... the RSX ones seemed to be more straightforward and resulted
in a running system with less user intervention.
> BTW, another advantage of SCSI is attaching a CD-ROM drive, which can
> make installing an OS easier.
True that. I have zero experience with CD-ROMs on PDP-11s, so owners
of SCSI cards will have to chime in (to date, my only experience with
Qbus SCSI is with MicroVAXen).
-ethan
Hi Gang,
I've just posted several more Paper Tape images to my site. the new
additions include:
Cromemco Z80 Monitor
Quite a bit of Cromemco Dazzler software
TDL ZAP(ple) monitor, 8k-Basic, M-80 Macro assebler, text processing etc.
I've also added a new "Paper Tape Viewer" to my Paper Tape Tools
package, which lets you see what the paper tape contained in the
images looked like - this is nice with the TDL tapes which have readable
headers punched at the beginning of the images. Here's the description
I included in the package:
To further assist in verifying tape images, I have included a "Paper Tape
Viewer" (PTV) utility, which allows you to see a visual representation of
the paper tape image which you can compare to the physical tape. PTR can
also show two images visually, allowing you to line them up for comparison,
and placing indicators at points where they differ.
Now I'm thinking about adding a "Paper Tape Emulator" to the package,
which would "read" the images into your real system over a parallel or
serial interface... ie: make a PC emulate a physical tape reader.
I know how my OAE and H9 readers interface, however I don't know the
details of other readers - I'm thinking I should make it somewhat programable
and flexible enough that the user can configure the handshaking to just
about anything reasonable, but I'd like to know more about the interfaces
to actual readers - if anyone can send such details, please do.
Dave
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OK, back in the UK and I just installed UAE onto the laptop...
Could some kind soul throw an A500 Kickstart ROM image this way to save me
digging one of my A500 machines out [1] and transferring the image myself?
I'll have to unearth one of the machines and mess around with transfer
software / cables at some point, I know, but I'd quite like to try the
emulator out first and see how good it is with some of the disk image files
downloaded from the 'net...
[1] Subject to copyright restrictions. I own a couple of A500s, so I can
legally transfer them to a PC myself for the purposes of emulation. However,
is it legal to ask someone else to send me a ROM image from *their* legal
hardware? After all, that's not *my* ROM, even though the end result is
indistinguishable...
cheers
Jules
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there's a carp in the tub
so nobody's taking a bath
One of the programs available sometime in the late 1980's was a program called
Sourcer that included a program called BIOS Pre-procesor for the PC, a ROM BIOS
Listing generator (V Communications.) Neat program and while I am not a
programmer, it was fun to disassemble the ROM BIOS routines and take a look. The
BIOS listing had enough comments to make it useful.
> From: Richard <legalize at xmission.com>
>
> Has anyone considered decompilation (producing sources from binaries)
> as a way of archiving system or application software that is defunct?
>
> I know lots of people have disassembled ROM listings and created
> commented ASM listings from the ROM, but what about larger systems
> where hand-disassembly is impractical?
> I found no valuable computer-related books among the many TONS of books donated to my local
> library system (I was their computer book evaluation specialist - most books went straight to
the
> paper recycling dumpster).
I need to qualify my comment above from my previous post. A "rare" computer book to me means one
>from the very early mainframe or minicomputer eras. I did see all kinds of donated early
microcomputer books and software, but nothing from my favorite mainframe/minicomputer topic area.
I served with the library before joining this list and saw many items that would probably have
been of interest to members of this list. So, like I said, go to your library system's used book
sales! AND, while there, tell them about the market for really old microcomputer and other
computer books. They might not have the benefit of a volunteer computer geek on their staff to
let them know what to keep and what to toss.
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> Have y'all had much luck acquiring vintage computer books/info via
> library book sales?
Out of appreciation for their valuable and FREE inter-library loan service to me in my many
requests for rare books on many esoteric topics (including a Konrad Zuse book about his Z3 relay
computer of which there were only 8 copies nationwide), I volunteered a year of my service to the
used book sales effort within my big city library system. Since most cities of any size now have
computerized systems which quickly identify books that haven't been checked out for long periods,
the odds of finding a older computer book from _within_ a library system are becoming increasingly
lower.
However, books donated to the library system by individuals can be a different case. I found no
valuable computer-related books among the many TONS of books donated to my local library system (I
was their computer book evaluation specialist - most books went straight to the paper recycling
dumpster). However, I have no idea of how many old and valuable computer books may have been
tossed into a dumpster _before_ they got to me due to branch library efforts to thin the donated
book numbers before shipping them to our central facility.
Many rare books of other types are received and other topic specialists often recognized those.
However, I caught a rare one that nearly got away for the standard $2 large-format hardbound book
price! While were were stocking the warehouse for one of our very large book sales, I was given a
box of books donated by someone who was obviously into the Olympics since youth and was told to
simply place them with all of the other large format books. Within that group of books was a MINT
condition two-volume, large format German photo album set published in 1936 entitled "DIE
OLYMPISCHEN SPIELE 1936." It was about the 1936 (Nazi) Summer Olympics and was sent from a German
uncle to his nephew Hans in the US (per inscription). This book had already been through numerous
bookworm hands before I finally caught its value.
Moral of the story: go to your library book sales!!! You help your library system financially and
may be helping yourself to a rare book or two in the process.
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> Have y'all had much luck acquiring vintage computer books/info via
> library book sales?
(I'm a librarian in a public library)
There are generally three things you can do to maximize your chances of
getting some interesting classic computer books from libraries:
1) Let the librarian who is responsible for sorting donations know that
you are interested in older computer/technical books. In many cases
(s)he will pull them for you and let you buy them before the big sale,
especially if the library has an ongoing sale shelf that runs
year-round. Many libraries automatically recycle out-of-date computer
books, since they don't sell that well. If that is the case, they may
be willing to give them to you for free.
2) Get to the big sale early - before it technically opens, if you can.
Book dealers swarm these sales, and are often the first in line when the
door opens. Many of them carry cellphone/barcode scanner combination
devices that give them up-to-the-minute eBay prices on books, so they
will often grab handfuls of anything that is old (regardless of type or
genre), stack them on the floor, and then sit down to see what they are
worth.
3) Go to sales in libraries that are in sections of the city where a lot
of technical folks live. Wealthy suburbs (where older tech folks might
retire), areas near high-tech companies, and areas surrounding
universities are good spots. A couple of libraries in my area are
located near Sabre, Nokia, and a few other companies that tend to hire a
lot of techies. As a result, these libraries tend to get higher numbers
of donations of older tech stuff than you would find in other libraries.
Remember that weeded books generally only account for a fraction of a
library book sale - most of the books come from donations.
- Jesse
I need a true 5-pin VME64x backplane or chassis for my VME-based UltraSPARC system. Does anyone have any? I do have a VME chassis, but it is the standard 3-pin VME which will not help me...
Thanks,
Ram
Jeff Walther wrote:
> Leaving out a lot of stuff over the last year that probably no-one
> wants to read about, I finally built some 16MB SIMMs for the Mac
IIfx. [...]
That is great news. Will you be making your schematics and PCB designs public?
I have two RAM-starved IIfx's here that could be put to good use with a little memory added.
,xtG
tsooJ
Leaving out a lot of stuff over the last year that probably no-one
wants to read about, I finally built some 16MB SIMMs for the Mac
IIfx. Suffice it to say that I took a circuitous route to getting
my boards made and there were many layouts along the way.
The IIfx uses an oddball 64 pin SIMM which is nearly identical to 30
pin SIMMs, *except* the data-out and data-in busses are separate.
This allows the memory controller to latch the data for writes,
signal the CPU that the transaction is complete in two cycles, and
then proceed with the actual write to RAM. Since the write data is
sitting in a little buffer-to-SIMM cul'de'sac it does not interfere
with other use of the data bus.
Memory chips which are X 1 memory chips (e.g. 16M X 1) have separate
data in and data out pins, though in most SIMMs, they're simply tied
together and run to the SIMM data bus. I had a small supply of 16M
X 1 chips on hand, so first I built some 16MB SIMMs with eight 16M X
1 chips each. That was very straight-forward, no surprises and
worked fine. That is not the interesting part.
Next I built some SIMMs out of 16M X 4 memory chips, of which I have
a much larger supply. The problem with 16M X 4 chips for this
application is that they do not have separate data-in and data-out
pins. They have combined D/Q pins. This presents a problem as
simply tieing them together would mean that the buffered writes would
interfere with other activity on the data bus.
Most of the discussion a year ago was how to get around that problem.
I finally tested it. This is the (I hope) interesting part.
My first idea was to use a pair of octal buffers per SIMM, such as
the TI SN74ABT241. Four of the eight buffers are controlled by an
active_low OE and four of them are controlled by an active_high OE.
This makes it convenient to use one buffer per 16M X 4 chip. I
planned to use WE_ to control the buffers. The active_low buffers
would route data from the D/Q chip pins to the SIMM data_in pins.
The active_high buffers would route data from the D/Q chip pins to
the SIMM data_out pins.
Before trying it I realized that the flaw in this plan was that when
the output of the memory chips is high-Z (high impedance/no signal)
the buffer would still be trying to drive some deterministic output
onto the data bus as long as WE was high.
My next thought was to invert CAS and logically AND it with WE to
control the data_out buffers. The data_in buffers would still be
controlled by WE alone. That way the data_out pins of the SIMM would
only be driven when there was actually a Read taking place.
However, the timing on this looks wonky. Data out from a read is
usually held a while after CAS goes high again, but this scheme would
cut off the data_out signal (switch back to high-Z) very shortly
after CAS goes high.
My third idea was to ask this list if there was some component that
would just pass the signal along, including high-Z signals.
Someone pointed me at a family of components which led me to FET Bus
Switches. So an octal bus switch such as the SN74CBT3244 looked
like a good option. The only problem with the SN74CBT3244 is that
both OEs are active low (each OE controls four of the eight
switches). I wish there was a SN74CBT3241 with one active low and
one active high OE. So, I simply controlled the OE for the data_in
pins with the WE signal and controlled the OE for the data_out pins
with the inverted WE signal. SC-70 packaged inverters are *tiny*.
Ultimately, the SIMMS based on 16M X 4 chips with two SN74CBT3244
octal switches controlled by WE and inverted WE switching between
data_in and data_out worked.
The other two configurations using the SN74ABT241 octal buffers did
not work. I tried both control configurations. I tried two
different assemblies. And when the second one did not work, I
converted it to the SN74CBT3244 configuration just to test whether
the memory chips were good. After the conversion to the workable
control circuitry the SIMM worked. So, unless I received a bad
batch of SN74ABT241 chips, I'd say that the Bus Switching scheme
works and the Buffer scheme does not work.
When I tested my first SN74CBT3244 controlled SIMM I placed it in the
D24 - D31 SIMM socket, while the other three SIMMs were the
conventional ones built from 16M X 1 chips. It almost booted, but
not quite. Moving the SN74CBT3244 controlled SIMM to any of the
other three sockets resulted in it working, but it would not work in
that one socket.
Hoping that the problem had something to do with combining SIMMs of
such different components, I built a second SN74CBT3244 controlled
SIMM. With that one installed in the D16 - D23 socket, the original
in the D24 - D31 socket and the other two sockets with 16M X 1 based
SIMMs the machine booted and passed memory tests.
Similarly the machine works fine with three and four of the
SN74CBT3244 controlled SIMMs installed.
Any idea why it would not work when just one SIMM was different and
installed in that one socket? Much of the IIfx's peripherals seem
to use only 8 bits and the 8 bits they use appear to be D24 - D31, so
I would guess it has something to do with that.
Also, I've always heard/read that when a machine needs four SIMMs at
a time, one should install SIMMs of the same manufacture and
composition. But why is that true, electrically and logically?
If the SIMMs meet timing specification, shouldn't they work together
even if they're built of wildly different components? What
difference does it make if some SIMMs are 60 ns and others are
effectively 70ns if the machine requires 80ns and so they're all
meeting spec? Or why should it matter if some SIMMs have a bit more
drive current or sink a bit more current on writes than others, as
long as they are all within specfications? Yet it seems that it
matters. Why?
I could understand it if some memory chips were 13 X 11 addressed and
others were 12 X 12, but these are *all* 12 X 12, so that is not the
issue here. So why should combining SIMMs built from 16X1 chips
with SIMMs built from 16X4 chips not work in some configurations?
Yet when placed in like groups they work fine?
Jeff Walther
What do you do when you buy a small lot of items, a piece that you wanted is not included (shown in the picture and stated in the inventory), and the seller does not respond to your questions (but you paid very little for the lot and there was a couple extra things included)? What would you people do?
> From: "Teo Zenios" <teoz at neo.rr.com>
> What do you do when you buy a small lot of items, a piece that you wanted is not included (shown in the picture and
> stated in the inventory), and the seller does not respond to your questions (but you paid very little for the lot and
> there was a couple extra things included)? What would you people do?
For some reason, a number of people feel that spam filters are okay on their
ebay email address. Others seem to feel that it is okay to check their email
every week or two. You haven't said how long you've been waiting, but I would
suggest at least a week. Personally, unless it was something important, I'd just
forget it, and leave neutral feedback saying the piece you wanted wasn't
included, but there were extra things.
