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by dgreelish＠mac.com

Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:52:43 -0400 > From: Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> > > Jim Leonard wrote: >> Cameron Kaiser wrote: >>> This is a fascinating, if somewhat qualitative, comparison of user >>> interface and functionality of a Mac Plus and an AMD dual core. >>> Presented without further commentary. >>> >>> http://hubpages.com/hub/ >>> _86_Mac_Plus_Vs_07_AMD_DualCore_You_Wont_Believe_Who_Wins >>> >> >> A bit skewed, to say the least. The AMD would have won if it were >> running a Mac Plus emulator, for example :-) This is very interesting, and I'm sure true, but they're comparing the modern system as a modern system to the older one. The article makes a good point in regard to performing these basic office app tasks. > I have a 2GHz AMD Athlon 64 X2 with 1GB RAM that gets booted into > MS-DOS > 7.1 at least twice a week. Anyone care to guess the boot time on > that? The only thing is, in DOS, it won't function as a true GUI with true GUI apps, so the comparison is moot. How about GeoWorks Ensemble? How about Windows XP on a system with no additional "stuff" loaded, like anti-virus, etc. It's an interesting article, but just how optimized was this system for just office apps. Obviously the Mac Plus didn't go online, etc., but I get the point, it was a standard system then, compared to a standard system now. Where's the productivity advantage? Best, David David Greelish classiccomputing.com The Classic Computing Podcast Home of Computer History Nostalgia Stan Veit's History of the Personal Computer Audio Book Podcast

19 years

HP3000 rescue in Missouri

by pt＠new.rr.com

Interested parties please respond to original poster: The 935 is definitely on topic as is some of the other stuff. Does anyone have an image of a HP2627A color console? I had not heard of this beast. From: Michael Gueterman <m_gueterman at editcorp.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp.mpe Subject: Office Cleanout! Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 08:00:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1180710048.105002.173340 at q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Hello All! It's certainly been a while since I've looked in on the list/ newsgroup. Hope things are going well for everyone. Anyway, it's been so long since I've done any real HP3000 work I've decided to do some office cleaning and get rid of some old equipment. Most of this stuff works (or at least did when I shut off the power to them years ago :) but it's probably not economical to pack and ship. If you want it, you'll need to pick it up or I find someone to come and haul it away soon. The big one! HP3000 935, 2 cabinets with 3-4 eagle drives (I think one is dead if memory serves). This thing must weigh in at 1500 lbs plus! It has a couple of HPIB and one SCSI DAT drive. It does not have the SCSI boot firmware (sorry). I got this used myself several years ago and used it in the developers program so I don't have the MPE license for it. I'll also throw in the HP2627A color (Star Trek) color console! This is a package deal so no cherry picking (that's probably the only way someone may make the effort to get it :) Oh, there's also a HP9000 E55 in the same cabinet (had to stick it somewhere). Let's see, there's also a couple of A2094 monitors, a HP9000 712/60, a 2345A DTS, some comm equipment when we had our T1 line, and who knows what else is buried in the back (probably mostly trash). I also have some of the beige soft-bound manuals sitting on a shelf. I'm going to hang onto the 928 even though it's been powered off for over two years for sentimental reasons. I regret giving up my TRS-80 Level I system back in 1995 so some old stuff I'll keep :) I don't really expect that anyone will drive to mid-Missouri to get any of this, but wanted to offer it up before it finds it's way to an electronics recycler. It's just not worth it to me to package/ship anything so before someone says "Hey, I'll take blah blah blah if you can ship it", the answer is no. So, how is the "open sourcing" or at least the "prying of the source code from HP's hands" going for MPE? Regards, Michael L Gueterman Integrated Information Systems, Inc. --

19 years

HP 1000 21MX Wont turn on, No PS voltage

by g-wright＠att.net

Hi, I have a HP 1000 21MX that wont bring up the Power supply. Has AC to it and the fans come on. It has a some what different battery backup connections on the rear than a 2117F. I tried the resister jumper from a 2117F but no go. There is no voltage output from the PS on any leg. Is there something different about these or do I need to trouble shoot the Power Supply Thanks, Jerry Jerry Wright JLC inc g-wright at att.net

19 years

Linux on SGI

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

Anyone running Linaches on SGI boxen? I imagine I could get tarred and feathered for stating such in certain mixed company, but even support for the R10000 has materialized. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7

19 years

Aztec C (was: more eBay stuff)

by dkelvey＠hotmail.com

>From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> > >On Sat, 2 Jun 2007, dwight elvey wrote: > > Hi Dave > > I'd expect it to evaluate the left side of the equation first before > > determining the address. A[2]=1. Any other order would not make > > sense. > >It would to some compiler authors. (who sometimes have a different >reality than you and I do) Hi Fred I'd expect the compile to do things in the needed order. Fetch the value of N to do something with( do the first increment ), calculate the address ( in doing so apply the second increment) and store the value into the array. > ---snip--- > >Without meaning to offend you, I'm going to guess that you started with >FORTH and then branched out. There does seem to be less potential for >ambiguity in a RPN language that has one operation per instruction. >(which is what makes machine language so fulfilling) Actually not. My first language exposure, like most, was BASIC. About the same time, I was doing 8080 machine code and 8048 code. I then did a lot of work with PLM/80 and more 8080. I fiddle a little with SmallTalk. It was about this time that I was exposed to a HP 35 calculator. With the combination of machine coding and high level languages so far, I could clearly see that RPN was concise and didn't need special thinking. About the same time period, I got my first taste of Forth. I was already sold on RPN and just had to learn what to do with the stack. I've since played with apl enough to know it doesn't make sense to me. Still it does look interesting from the standpoint of minimum entry. I've also written a few macros in LISP for AutoCad stuff and once for emacs. I current deal mostly with verilog both gate level and behavior. Still, I find that I'm most productive in Forth. Execution typically reads left to right as most would have expected the example to have done. There is no ambiguity about what is done when. I like that! Others don't seem to like that :( In some sense, Forth seems like machine language to most but I find that my code reads like sentenses. Especially as I abstract farther from the Forth low level words. It isn't English but it is clearly sentenses stating just what I want done and when. I've not seen any other language that does that and still has well defined excution order. I find that I factor code better and have less errors writing in other languages after having been exposed to Forth. I still enjoy writing in Forth more but few pay for that. Dwight _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp…

19 years

Sun, HP "scrap" (???)

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/100-lbs-SCRAP-MEMORY-FOR-GOLD- RECOVERY-RAM-1982-SUN_W0QQitemZ260121427754QQihZ01 6QQcategoryZ1247QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem A bit steep, but it's 100 lbs. worth! ____________________________________________________________________________________Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469

19 years

Hazeltine 1400 info?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: Re: Hazeltine 1400 info? > From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> > Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 08:27:23 -0700 > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > >On 31 May 2007 at 18:19, Allison wrote: > >> The 1400 series was after the 1500 series and was effectively a cost >> reduced (cheaper to build and sell) terminal. The 1400 was circa >> 1976-78 or so. > >Am I the only one who actually used one of these and hated it? I had >one hooked to an MDS800 development system. For the time, they were >inexpensive, but there were better terminals around--and the use of a >displayable character (tilde) as the escape code leadin made things >more trouble than the terminals were worth. I think I may even have >the code for a full-screen editor written in PL/M somewhere. I was working for Hazeltine terminals group at the time, one look at the 1400s and I left. There were a few things about it that suggested with better firmware it could be nice but didn't happen. My experience lead to buying a H19, a decent tube that I still have. Allison > >Cheers, >Chuck

19 years

Linux on SGI

by darin.lory＠gmail.com

On Jun 2, 2007, at 6:53 PM, Chris wrote: >Anyone running Linaches on SGI boxen? I imagine I >could get tarred and feathered for stating such in >certain mixed company, but even support for the R10000 >has materialized. Chris, Nahhh...no tar and feathers...but maybe a wet noodle. Yes, I know of people running older MIPS-compiled Red Hat 5.1 Linux or Debian Linux (http://members.optusnet.com.au/clausen/sgi/LINUX- IP27-HOWTO ) on SGI Indys or O2s being the most popular. There is also a Linux on MIPS Wiki at http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/ Main_Page Or even SGI's own webpage http://www.linux.sgi.com/mips/ with downloadable Hard Hat (Red Hat Manhattan) 5.1 Linux http:// www.linux.sgi.com/mips/software.html I've heard of people using Origin 200 and Octanes (R10K or R12K MIPS) with Linux but that was after any playing I did with Linux on an Indy. MIPS Technologies (after splitting off of SGI) developed many new MIPS processors like the 24K, 34K, and 74K that are used with their Malta board and Linux from a couple of partners (4K processor also used by these partners). http://www.mips.com/products/softwaretools/ system_software/Linux.php -Darin

19 years

Apple /// Power Supply

by classiccmp＠vintage-computer.com

I pulled out my "extra" Apple /// for a test run today in preparation for selling it. It worked great but after a bit the power supply started smoking. I pulled it to find that a cap has blown and shot oil all over the place. Rather than repair it I'm looking to replace it with another. Does anyone have an Apple /// power supply they'd part with? -- Erik Klein www.vintage-computer.com www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum The Vintage Computer Forums

19 years

Sun, HP "scrap" (???)

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

--- William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't think it's even near that. I *guess* that > it's in the gram > > range at best... > > Can someone please explain to me why the classic > computer commuity > simply can not grasp the concept that there is a lot > of gold in older > computer hardware? Really, guys, I do not know how > many times you have > been told, yet it just does not sink in... I'll venture a guess and say the vast majority of people on this list are interested in the collectible/nostalgic aspects of old hardware, not for recycling. How much old *scrap* is there left these days? > The guy is shooting high, but not very high. $5.00 a > pound for really > good boards is not insane. Just how much gold (after considering the costs of extraction) in monetary terms would a $5 pound of scrap yield? I don't see any figures to that effect. ____________________________________________________________________________________Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/

19 years

Apple IIe/gs/ older-Macs available in Fargo ND

by dave06a＠dunfield.com

I've been contacted by a lady in Fargo ND which an Apple IIe, IIgs and some older Macs. Also mentions printers, accessories, software and magazines all pertaining to Apple. She mentioned "a least pay cost of shipping", so I don't think she is looking to get anything for them. If anyone wants to give them a home, please contact me and I'll forward her email. Dave -- dave06a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/index.html

19 years

"You Won't Believe Who Wins"

by spectre＠floodgap.com

This is a fascinating, if somewhat qualitative, comparison of user interface and functionality of a Mac Plus and an AMD dual core. Presented without further commentary. http://hubpages.com/hub/_86_Mac_Plus_Vs_07_AMD_DualCore_You_Wont_Believe_Wh… -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- In memory of Bruce Geller --------------------------------------------------

19 years

SMC CRT controllers on eBay

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih= 003&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item= 130118894499&rd=1&rd=1 No, these were not used in the Tandy 2000, but I guess they were used in something (some terminal perhaps?). Mayhap someone on the list knows. O why o why couldn't they have been 9007s or 9021s??? Why. O God... ___________________________________________________________________________________ You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html

19 years

Semi-OT: Need help identifying diode specs

by pat＠computer-refuge.org

I picked up a few spare diodes from my local surplus place, and I need some help identifying them.. They're about 3-3/4" long and 1-1/4" wide at the (hex) mounting base, have a threaded negative terminal, and an approx 1/2" diameter positive terminal on the top. They appear to have a Westinghouse (underlined W in a circle) logo on them, next to a diode symbol marking polarity. Next to that is the number "18840100" (part number?) and "8206" (date code?). Any idea what voltage and amperage this diode should be rated for? I tried googling for info, but only found a few places that wanted to sell me one (with at best the info that it's a "semiconductor diode".. gee, thanks). One site also listed the part number "5961-01-198-6175" as an equivalent. Thanks much, Pat -- Purdue University Research Computing --- http://www.rcac.purdue.edu/ The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org

19 years

Looking for Hardware

by ploopster＠gmail.com

Please let me know if you have this hardware you wouldn't mind letting go for a small sum of money, or if you know where I might be able to find any of this hardware cheap. Thanks. IBM XT-286 Motherboard (I have a dead one that needs replacing) Kingston SX Now! 386 upgrade (For my beloved PS/2 Mod 50) Any AT-class memory boards (including EMS ones, obviously XMS preferred) Again, thanks. Peace... Sridhar

19 years

Kaypro 10 format.com

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> With all the Kaypro 10 in the group I wondered if someone could send me > a copy of the format.com. I located the source for the program today, and have made imagedisk images of the dealer diagnostic disc. http://bitsavers.org/bits/Users_Groups/FOG/Kaypro/Kaypro10/

19 years

WTD: LDOS 5.1.3 for Lobo Max 80, Manual (paper/electronic)

by billdeg＠degnanco.com

Hi - I finally got a Lobo Max 80 to boot http://www.vintagecomputer.net/lobo/ I'd like a copy of the LDOS 5.1.3 manual so that I can review the options and parameters associated with the dos commands. Thanks in advance Bill Degnan

19 years

[more-or-less-offtopic]:68301 stuff

by brad＠heeltoe.com

"Alexandre Souza" wrote: > > Dear friends > > I'm working into some 68301 (68000 for embbedded applications) >old-equipment stuff. I'm completely lost into everything, I cannot even >decompile/simulate the code on PC. Maybe some good and candid soul would >lend a hand at least to get me started? I need only to do a very small mod >into the program, but first need to understand how it works. It depends on what you've got, but you might try finding a gcc cross compile toolchain, for say linux (or even cygwin) and then using the "objdump -D" program. You can get it to disassemble from an unformatted binary file... that is sometimes useful if all you have is roms. I think gdb has a 68k emulator, but if not there are many around to choose from. You should be able to quickly whip up something to sim the code once you've figured out the basic structure, i.e. where it boots form and where it expects ram, etc... just a thought. i'm big on simulation. There may be other tools for win32 I don't know about. I'm most comfortable with linux/unix & gcc. You can certainly build 68k code with gcc. I did it for years. -brad

19 years

Sun, HP "scrap" (???)

by dasbooterror＠gmail.com

As it goes, having actually run the gold scrapping grunt work (Read: Play with the Aqua regia) The reason you don't melt gold like that is the sheer amount of energy you have to waste to do it! Not to mention contaminating your final gold product with whatever crap is in the batch. As other people mentioned you can use mercury or cyanide agents, but good luck getting ether of those agents in any quantity, much less an EPA permit to use them for gold refining. Aqua Regia is bad enough, as you need to neutralize it before disposal. As it should be noted we refined chips, leads and anything gold plated Our usual contaminates were tin, lead, platinum, silver and iridium. ( Note: Using your left over Nitric Acid to make RDX does *NOT* count as disposal; However its a lot of fun)

19 years

Bringing the VAX 4000-300 back to life.

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

Well I tried it. The two systems were connected together with 50Ohm co-ax and terminators at both ends. I hooked in a hub that had a BNC connector to monitor what was going on. After running @SYS$MANAGER:CLUSTER_CONFIG_LAN on the -200 it became a boot server and I did a BOOT EZA0: on the -300. Both systems were talking to the network but ignored each other. On the console of the -300 it just printed 'Retrying Network Boot' for ever. Hardly a surprise wth no DecNet or TCP/IP running. Oh well back to trying to create a bootable tape and put MOP on my list of fables and fairy stories. Rod -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Sridhar Ayengar Sent: 02 June 2007 00:36 To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Bringing the VAX 4000-300 back to life. arcarlini at iee.org wrote: > Rod Smallwood wrote: >> Sounds like a good idea. How do I do that? > > You configure the 4000-200 into a cluster (of one). > Then you tell it that it will have the VAX 4000-300 as a LAVC cluster > member. Then boot the VAX 4000-300 into the cluster. Then proceed as I > outlined previously. And if you want to know how to do that, per se, RTFM at: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os73_index.html Much of the v7.3 documentation there applies fairly well to older versions. Peace... Sridhar

19 years

Bringing the VAX 4000-300 back to life.

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

Well I tried it. The two systems were connected together with 50Ohm co-ax and terminators at both ends. I hooked in a hub that had a BNC connector to monitor what was going on. After running @SYS$MANAGER:CLUSTER_CONFIG_LAN on the -200 it became a boot server and I did a BOOT EZA0: on the -300. Both systems were talking to the network but ignored each other. On the console of the -300 it just printed 'Retrying Network Boot' for ever. Hardly a surprise wth no DecNet or TCP/IP running. Oh well back to trying to create a bootable tape and put MOP on my list of fables and fairy stories. Rod -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of arcarlini at iee.org Sent: 01 June 2007 17:43 To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Subject: RE: Bringing the VAX 4000-300 back to life. Rod Smallwood wrote: > Sounds like a good idea. How do I do that? You configure the 4000-200 into a cluster (of one). Then you tell it that it will have the VAX 4000-300 as a LAVC cluster member. Then boot the VAX 4000-300 into the cluster. Then proceed as I outlined previously. Antonio

19 years

HELP NEEDED - moving DEC PDP-8/A from Ottawa, Canada to VCF East (New Jersey)

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

Is anyone driving from or through Ottawa on the way to VCF East next weekend? I have an 8/A to pick up in Ottawa and will be at VCF. If you can provide help moving the (not small) system from Ottawa to New Jersey, I will be happy to pay $200 toward your gas expenses. An alternative might be someone traveling through Ottawa who could move it to Toronto or London (Canada!)in the near future, but the machine must be picked up in the next week or so. I'm on the digest version of classiccmp, so please feel free to contact me directly or call. TIA, Jack jack/dot/rubin/at/ameritech/dot/net 847.424.7320 work No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM

19 years

Bringing the VAX 4000-300 back to life.

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

Firstly a big thanks (THANKS) to all those who responded to the power plug question. I bought the VAX 4000-300 system on UK Ebay and did the 250 mile trip to Cambridge to collect it early on Saturday. These things are not that big but weigh a ton!! The guy selling it was lot larger than I (thank heavans!) I did not know the suspension in may car went that low! There it sat until Tuesday evening when my son (6'4" & 210pounds) who's a trained weight lifter helped me ge it out of the car and onto its wheels. It need a good clean inside and out but otherwise is undamaged and complete. I extended the notch in the power cable I had and fired it up. First level diagnostics OK Choose a language OK Boot er no but as it seems as the system spent some or all of its life in the insurance industry I'm not surprised the disks have been wiped. Ok so next move. I'm going to try and make a VMS 6.2 bootable tape on the -200 as the -300 has a TK70. The -300 also has a KZQSA (SCSI) controller and whilst they are no good with hard drives I think they work with CD ROM's I also have a stand alone SCSI CD drive (Yamaha CRW4416SX) it has the really small SCSI plugs (inch and a bit long) on the back and the KZQSA has the really big ones. Comments on which is best way to proceed welcomed. Rod Smallwood

19 years

SGI IRIX licenses?

by legalize＠xmission.com

I've not installed IRIX from scratch before. I recently purchased some install media from ebay and the item description said "does not include licenses". Is this boiler plate disclaimer, or am I still needing something else to install the OS? Another item on ebay says it *does* include licenses. Is there some sort of license key? Does SGI have a hobbyist/deprecated-ware license available? -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>

19 years

SGI IRIX licenses?

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

> MIPSpro (SGI's compilers) are the only things on the install CDs that > use > keys IIRC. One should be just fine installing gcc and friends from > pkgsrc. MIPSpro is not included in the default software library from SGI. What is included is the "IRIX Development Libraries" and "IRIX Development Foundations" which provide the headers, static libraries, and a few development tools (but not compilers). For IRIX 5.3, the full IDO (with C compiler) is downloadable from ftp.sgi.com, for IRIX 6.2 the IDF/IDL parts are on ftp.sgi.com (IRIX 6.2 did not ship with the development tools and headers as standard). Many versions of MIPSpro function as "nagware" and will still compile while you're waiting for your license >from SGI, or developer program members get access to an account on a Origin running the latest MIPSpro compilers. No official hobbyist program, there just isn't any return in it for SGI (the MIPS-based IRISes were discontinued in December).

19 years

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