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by jacob.ritorto＠gmail.com

I think I should pass on my experience as a warning to others. I googled around for a particular PDP-11 board I needed and tamayatech.com was a hit, with "buy now" option and condition: refurbished. Seemed convincing and the price was in the sane ballpark. So I bought it, paid through their ecommerce routine, etc. Sent a mail thanking them and asking if it would be despatched soon as I had work time off in the coming week.. No reply. Waited a week and telephoned their phone number from the purchase confirmation email. No answer. Left message. Several (well over ten) repeated email and phone contact attempts through the last months (this began early November) to no avail. There has been absolutely no response. So my conclusion: it looks as though they took my credit card and never shipped it, then just ignored me. I hope the fellow's okay but feel quite thoroughly ripped off. So 'buyer' beware. Interestingly their SEO is rather well maintained and punching DEC part numbers into Google, etc. often results in a hit to their site. So they're at least keeping that part of the business updated. Anybody else with similar experience? Any way to rectify the situation? thx jake

4 years, 3 months

Chuck Shimada passed away

by sieler＠allegro.com

Long-time HP3000 programmer/user/evangelist, and friend, Chuck Shimada passed away yesterday, 12/26. Many list members will have seen Chuck at Interex and SCRUG conventions, running the tech side, or as part of the convention staff. He was a major force in the creation of the early "swap tapes" for contributed software. The science fiction fans on the list may have also seen him running tech at many science fiction conventions. >From a facebook post by Michael Donohue: I am very saddened to report that Chuck Shimada passed away this morning, Dec 26, 2021. He had been doing okay but was not feeling great Dec 24/25. I spoke to him Dec 24 and we had a nice conversation. He had some episode in his sleep, the nurse found him this morning alive but unresponsive with weak pulse and he passed away a few hours later. So he likely did pass without conscious discomfort. //

4 years, 3 months

"Voltmitten": an amateur overdesigns a DC voltage monitor

by stepleton＠gmail.com

Hi cctalk, Ever since CuriousMarc put out his YouTube horror film last April about a killer HP 9825T power supply <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-eN93L6yX8&list=PL-_93BVApb58Hy846J52DT8Fe…>, I've been worrying about how my own comparably-aged systems might avoid a similar fate, at least until I have the wherewithal to do a Jerry Walker <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGkakWu37P6CuzIZbTlCmvg>-esque high-quality PSU refurbishment. In the end, borrowing a tactic from Commodore fans, I made a circuit that sits between a DC power supply and a load and cuts off the power if it senses an overvoltage or an undervoltage condition. I'm happy to share it with you now, with the usual anxiety amateurs feel when an audience includes some professionals. I hope at least some elements of the design can be useful! Here it is: https://github.com/stepleton/voltmitten/ (There are two reasons for the name "Voltmitten". One is that the gizmo is shaped a bit like a hand. The other is to remind you that it wasn't really designed by the most serious practitioner.) You can see my cute mock video advert for Voltmitten here: https://youtu.be/hSaAHBhTh_A I hope it's an adequate homage to Marc's inspiring videos. Most of the effort here went into a brief gag view of a carefully rotoscoped <https://twitter.com/tstepleton/status/1475093211983097860> Bob Stern aka "Mr. Fancy Pants", which may not have been the best use of time but is at least a result I can feel proud of :-) With best wishes for a bright 2022, --Tom

4 years, 3 months

Stage 2 Macroprocessor

by peveep＠gmail.com

Guys, Has anyone out there in the big wide world there got a version of the Stage 2 Macroprocessor than is ready to run on a Windows PC? I don't mean the build-it-yourself version. Refer to https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234809181_The_mobile_programming_s… . Many thanks, peter vp

4 years, 3 months

PDP-11/44 gas struts

by Flash688＠flying-disk.com

I have a PDP-11/44 system in the DEC 41" high cabinet. It is designed to be tilted up for service, aided and supported by two gas struts, one on each side. Unfortunately, after all these years, the struts have failed and do not provide any assistance. That box is heavy! Does anyone know where I can get replacement gas struts? Thanks, Alan Frisbie

4 years, 3 months

HP / Agilent 3065 In-Circuit Test System -

by jesse＠cypress-tech.com

Does anyone on this list know of a company or individual that does work (maintenance or anything) on these older 3065 test systems. The internal brain and drives are all HP 1000 stuff. A900 control unit and HP-IB drives. I have a user that needs help installing a drive and software on one. If anyone knows of anyone that can assist, let me know and I'll forward the info Thanks Jesse / Cypress Technology Inc

4 years, 3 months

DEC RF30 Integrated Storage Element Service Guide

by Flash688＠flying-disk.com

Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote: > I am looking for the service guide for the RF30 DSSI disk. It is not on Manx > and not on BitSavers. Does anyone know of a copy? The part number is > apparently EK-RF30D-SV. If anyone finds one, I would greatly appreciate a copy also. Thanks, Alan Frisbie

4 years, 3 months

WTB IBM Keyboard

by trash80＠internode.on.net

Hi folks - I'm looking for a keyboard for my IBM 3197 Model D Twinax terminal. (My location - Victoria Australia) Thank you!! Kevin Parker

4 years, 3 months

Samsung Ubigate iBG-1000 router

by spectre＠floodgap.com

Well, DSL Extreme is getting out of the T1 business, leaving me high and dry (they've really gone to hell since GTT bought them out) since they don't offer a static IP option on any of their lines anymore. I'll be working around that problem for the next couple months while we move ... Anyway, I have a spare Ubigate iBG-1000 T1 router here set up by the tech, but no password to access it. It appears to be an embedded PowerPC system, around 603 level. I have some possible reset instructions and can access its serial console, but was wondering if anyone out there has the administration manual for it. It might be fun to repurpose it. -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- PowerPC inside! ------------------------------------------------------------

4 years, 3 months

TU56 DECtape takeup reel needed

by Flash688＠flying-disk.com

I just unpacked the rack with my TU56 DECtape drive and discovered that the movers managed to break the takeup reels. This, despite many layers of foam padding, stretch film, and warning signs. On the other hand, this was the only item that suffered any damage at all. Not too bad for three moving van loads! Can anyone help me with an empty DECtape reel or two? Thanks, Alan Frisbie

4 years, 3 months

Happy DEC-20 Day!

by cc＠alderson.users.panix.com

...and a joyful Winter Solstice Festivalof your choosing to you all! Rich

4 years, 3 months

VAX/VMS 4.0 source listings scans

by compoobah＠gmail.com

On Wed, 2021-12-15 at 12:00 -0600, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > Not sure who needs to know. > Perhaps they are useful for emulation crash analysis, or for > educational > purposes. > You also see the highly optimizing BLISS32 compiler at work. First thing that popped into my mind was "fix the huge DCL security hole finally for VAX." I don't think it has been done yet. Be a lot of reading after OCR though, too bad it wasn't text files. Also I have no clue how to program BLISS32 or even MACRO-32, so mostly a pipe dream.

4 years, 3 months

SMC FD37C65B and revision C Errata sheets?

by holm＠freibergnet.de

Hi all, the german Engeneer Tillman Reh has build an Zilog Z280 SBC card with Eurocard Bus connector: http://oldcomputers.dyndns.org/public/pub/rechner/zilog/z280/index.html The Software is open and Tillman allows the PCB to be reproduced from his original Gerber files on request. Unfortunately some parts for those cards are almost unobtanium in the meantime, the Zigzag DRAMs, the COM8117 Uart, the LT1134 Driver chip and also the SMC FD37C65CLJP FDC are difficult to source. I have two such cards and I got all the necessary parts, but I have friends that are also interested in such a card to run CP/M 3 or UZI280 on that Z280 (The Z800!) 16 Bit CPU. There are many other FDCs that should be compatible, the WD37C65 for example. This was used in many PC related Floppy controllers..but they are in fact not compatible. The use of the SMC37C65CLJ P seems to be necesary for this board, for reasons that are unclear. While copying data to the disc there happens a timeout on the earlier FDC varaints, I have read somewhere that reading the status register gives unexpected results, they have tried to fix this already in the 90ies by inserting some delays, w/o success. Has someone here Errata Sheets for those SMC FD37C65B (not working) and FDC37C65C (working) variants of that FDC Chip, so that one can see what they may have changed between the releases? Here are some part of the BIOS: ; I/O-Page mu~ bereits auf BOARDP gesetzt sein. Ver{ndert ABHL. FdcCom:: if loader ld hl,CList else ld hl,(CmdAdr) ; Zeiger auf Befehlsliste endif FdcCo1::in a,(FdcSta) ; (Einsprung mit Zeiger in HL) rla jr nc,FdcCo1 ; warten bis FDC-RQM (Request for Master) rla jr c,FdcErr ; bei falscher Datenrichtung: DIO-Error nop nop nop ld a,(hl) out (FdcDat),a ; Befehls/Datenbyte an FDC ausgeben inc hl ; Zeiger auf naechstes Byte djnz FdcCo1 ; alle Befehlsbytes ausgeben ret ; DIO-Error (Datenrichtungsfehler im FDC) : Stoppen des Systems ;*** evtl. Fehler korrigieren und weiterarbeiten? ; (Ist Fehler ueberhaupt korrigierbar?) FdcErr: ld hl,DioMsg call PMsg ; "DIO-Error" ausgeben di halt ; sicherheitshalber nicht weiter arbeiten It seems that the FDC Status register requests a data transfer in the wrong direction on the B-Release Chips... It is this "DIO-Error" that happens after a few write operations, but formating the disk is possible. Kind Regards, Holm -- Technik Service u. Handel Tiffe, www.tsht.de, Holm Tiffe, Goethestrasse 15, 09569 Oederan, USt-Id: DE253710583 info at tsht.de Fax +49 37292 709779 Tel +49 37292 709778 Mobil: 0172 8790 741

4 years, 3 months

OT: Traveling to Zurich in February

by billdegnan＠gmail.com

I will be in Switzerland/Germany near Davos Feb 5-15 and I was curious what kinds of museums and sights were worth planning to see during this time of the year in that area? Is there an orchestra concert show season there? Any recommendations for resources for travelers that are not overly commercial, in English, would be appreciated. On the inside of an old painting of my great great great grandfather from around 1830 was a piece of paper with a note written by his granddaughter many years later about someone called "Count von Burlowe" (spelling?) about a partnership to found or make commercial a health resort called "Bad Krautzma", but I believe she was way off spelling-wise. It's written in 19th century US cursive, hard to read. So I am interested in learning a bit about my heritage too. Thanks BIll Degnan Landenberg, PA USA

4 years, 3 months

HP 1000 A900 ("Magic") Questions

by jmdzied＠verizon.net

Are you still in need of any HP1000 RTE equipment? I have a lot of boards, chassis?, tape drives, etc. If not and if you know of someone who would be interested in this equipment please let me know?Kind Regards?Joe Sent from my iPhone

4 years, 3 months

FS: HP 3000s (928LX) for sale in Texas

by sieler＠allegro.com

Since they're vintage... A friend is selling two HP 3000/928LX computers. I don't know what he wants for them. For people interested in the HP 3000, this would be a nice buy. Size-wise, they're between a PC and a 2-drawer file cabinet in size. They'll be network capable (may require a transceiver, but likely comes with, and they're generally about $10 otherwise). The following describes one, but there are two... ---- 1. HPe3000 928LX. 2. 128mb main memory. 3. (2) 4gb internal disk drives. 4. DDS-2 internal tape drive.(two in one system and one in the other) 5. MPE/iX 7.5 Operating System with 8 user license. 6. System Consoles with keyboards. 7. SE SCSI Interface Card 8. External Disk drive mini cabinet with SCSI drives Bonus: Backup and systems DDS tapes, Manuals, extra 4gb SCSI disks, and Misc. Documentation Lots of software. Both systems were operating when shut down recently. Buy as is with no guarantee.. Make an offer. Buyer to arrange packing and shipping. Location: At my home office in Carrollton, TX Contact Paul Edwards, pedwards at gte.net

4 years, 3 months

Two power supplies

by van.snyder＠sbcglobal.net

I have two power supplies that I no longer need. 1. Power One model SPM5A2M6G1K: 115 VAC 30 A or 230 VAC 15 A 50-60 Hz input, outputs 48 V 5 A, 5 V 10 A, 2 x 12 V 10 A, 5 V 150 A. ? ? 13" x 5" x 8 ", 17 lb 2. Lambda LM 124 FM lab supply: 115 VAC 50-60 Hz input, outputs 0-40 V, 0-1.5 A ? ? 17" x 4" x 5", 13 lb Yours if you send me a PDF of a shipping label. I can send photos (but they're too big to fit in classiccmp.org mailings). Local pickup OK. Van Snyder La Crescenta, CA

4 years, 3 months

OT, assembly houses in the US

by emu＠e-bbes.com

Hi all, where do you guys go for assembly of your boards, when you replace old stuff? Not too many places like THT anymore, and getting ridiculously expensive lately. Any recommendations?

4 years, 3 months

VAX/VMS 4.0 source listings scans

by ioerg.hoppe＠gmail.com

Full micro fiche scans of VAX/VMS 4.0/4.1 source listings are now published at http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/vax/microfiche/vms-source-listings/AH-BT13… The update to V4.1 is at http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/vax/microfiche/vms-source-listings/AH-BT13… Not sure who needs to know. Perhaps they are useful for emulation crash analysis, or for educational purposes. You also see the highly optimizing BLISS32 compiler at work. regards, Joerg

4 years, 3 months

Wanted: IBM PC compatible 8 or 16 bit Arcnet cards

by new_castle_j＠yahoo.com

I'll be following your progress with interest, I just installed Coax into the walls of my computer playhouse so I can ARCNet with my S-100 system. I have an ARCNet packet sniffer that can be loaned out if you would find it helpful. - Jonathan On Sunday, December 12, 2021, 11:00:03 AM MST, <cctalk-request at classiccmp.org> wrote: Send cctalk mailing list submissions to ??? cctalk at classiccmp.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? cctalk-request at classiccmp.org You can reach the person managing the list at ??? cctalk-owner at classiccmp.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of cctalk digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Cheap PDP-8 boards on eBait (Noel Chiappa) ? 2. ISO: DEC PDP-8 Data Multiplexer (DM01, etc.) (Josh Dersch) ? 3. Re: Cheap PDP-8 boards on eBait (Ethan Dicks) ? 4. Wanted: IBM PC compatible 8 or 16 bit Arcnet cards ? ? ? (Michael Brutman) ? 5. Re: Wanted: IBM PC compatible 8 or 16 bit Arcnet cards (ED SHARPE) ? 6. Re: Wanted: IBM PC compatible 8 or 16 bit Arcnet cards ? ? ? (devin davison) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 13:21:25 -0500 (EST) From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Cc: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Cheap PDP-8 boards on eBait Message-ID: <20211211182125.6B73B18C077 at mercury.lcs.mit.edu> This guy: ? https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_ssn=jariadkin-0&_sop=10 has a couple of PDP-8 boards for sale that at the moment are going _really_ cheap. ? ? Noel ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 10:30:43 -0800 From: Josh Dersch <derschjo at gmail.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" ??? <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: ISO: DEC PDP-8 Data Multiplexer (DM01, etc.) Message-ID: ??? <CADBZjLaOMYSonVTW+3_=_VFyMHsGwvPuJ_dbUW7rZ3XULBiEMQ at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hey all -- Got the TC01 working the other night, after a couple weeks of debugging (*).? I'd like to be able to have both it and the RF08 that I'm working on connected to the 8/I and running at the same time, so I'm looking for a DM01 Data Multiplexer.? If anyone has any leads, do let me know. Thanks as always, - Josh (*) Total TC01 fault count (so far): - Bad transistor in TU55 motor brake control (W040) - Bad jumper solder joints in TU55 (W990) - Timing of UTS and U+M one-shots (R303) way out of adjustment (U+M one-shot was at 2 seconds or so...) - Bad tape data relay (G851) - Bad IOT decoder transistor (W103) - Missing Diode (W113) and weak diode in Write enable selection logic - Timing of write clock way, way out of adjustment (90Khz vs. 125Khz expected.) - 24 dead maintenance panel bulbs - 2 dead TU55 bulbs (yet to be replaced) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 16:31:45 -0500 From: Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> To: Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>,? "General Discussion: ??? On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Cheap PDP-8 boards on eBait Message-ID: ??? <CAALmimkQcWu67RQZknQuy11akoCPOihoDtAeOOPuQX9vzHjitw at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 1:21 PM Noel Chiappa via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > This guy: > >? https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_ssn=jariadkin-0&_sop=10 > > has a couple of PDP-8 boards for sale that at the moment are going _really_ cheap. Tap handles and DEC boards?? Odd mix. I took a risk and bid.? I have an -8/e and -8/m to fix. Thanks! -ethan ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 20:00:57 -0800 From: Michael Brutman <mbbrutman at brutman.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" ??? <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Wanted: IBM PC compatible 8 or 16 bit Arcnet cards Message-ID: ??? <CA+bZ4SBQWkvsqM79EUc8QNmEZFKjgEyvp5x69_y5=vs8rAt5Fg at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I'm using debug logs to try to debug flow control issues when using mTCP and a packet driver that presents itself as Ethernet but actually uses ARCNET.? I've gotten to the point where I just want to have an Arcnet in the house.? Especially since I might just modify mTCP to work with Arcnet packet drivers and cards directly. Before I get too serious with eBay, does anybody want to rehome some Arcnet hardware? -Mike ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 04:19:06 +0000 (UTC) From: ED SHARPE <couryhouse at aol.com> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org, cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Wanted: IBM PC compatible 8 or 16 bit Arcnet cards Message-ID: <1961633108.407863.1639282746182 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I remember? you? could? get? arcnet? ?for? HP? 150? also? ?Ed#? In a message dated 12/11/2021 9:01:15 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at classiccmp.org writes:? I'm using debug logs to try to debug flow control issues when using mTCPand a packet driver that presents itself as Ethernet but actually usesARCNET.? I've gotten to the point where I just want to have an Arcnet inthe house.? Especially since I might just modify mTCP to work with Arcnetpacket drivers and cards directly.?Before I get too serious with eBay, does anybody want to rehome some Arcnethardware???-Mike ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 05:05:28 -0500 From: devin davison <lyokoboy0 at gmail.com> To: Michael Brutman <mbbrutman at brutman.com>,? "General Discussion: ??? On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Wanted: IBM PC compatible 8 or 16 bit Arcnet cards Message-ID: ??? <CAOpB=UMtSmRP8udanC31qUArs8V=djHg5bF9yWF-ZuvAW=yC1Q at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Greetings, I had quite a few arcnet cards laying around a while back, I had picked up a ton of them from the back storage of a datacenter that was clearing out surplus equipment. I am uncertain of how many I still have in storage. How many do you need? If you are able to wait a couple days, I can check how many I have remaining in storage, and I can ship them to you once found. --Devin D. On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 11:01 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk < cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > I'm using debug logs to try to debug flow control issues when using mTCP > and a packet driver that presents itself as Ethernet but actually uses > ARCNET.? I've gotten to the point where I just want to have an Arcnet in > the house.? Especially since I might just modify mTCP to work with Arcnet > packet drivers and cards directly. > > Before I get too serious with eBay, does anybody want to rehome some Arcnet > hardware? > > > -Mike > End of cctalk Digest, Vol 87, Issue 12 **************************************

4 years, 3 months

Comparing IBM PC and IBM Displaywriter

by mooreericnyc＠gmail.com

https://youtu.be/zqsd2HU0ZuY Just uploaded this video, thought some of you guys might enjoy :) -Eric

4 years, 3 months

Content of www.blacksheepnetworks.com

by rumi_ml＠rtfm.hu

Hello, This site used to have a lot of very useful and rare information on Tru64 troubleshooting and Google still has the links to the articles but the content itself is inaccessible: http://www.blacksheepnetworks.com/security/resources/tru64/ Has anyone by any chance archived the content of this site while it was still alive? archive.org did not, unfortunately. Thank you! Kind regards, Sab

4 years, 3 months

Cheap PDP-8 boards on eBait

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

This guy: https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_ssn=jariadkin-0&_sop=10 has a couple of PDP-8 boards for sale that at the moment are going _really_ cheap. Noel

4 years, 3 months

What is this massive binder of computer minutes1955 to 1964. I did cel phone or of text below we have

by couryhouse＠aol.com

May be some errors In ocr..The Second Meeting of the Committee to Study Developments in Electronic Computing Machines and Their Application, September 22, 1955 The second meeting of the Committee was held on Sept ember 22, 1955, at 2 P.M. in the Board room at the Dominion Bureau of Statistics.Messrs. J.T. Marshall (Chairman);B.G. Ballard; H. Freedman; C.J. Gardner; R.W. James ; N. Keyfitz; J.A. Kidd; E.0. Landry; C. Scott; and R. Ziola (Secretary ) Present were: The Chairman pointed out that minutesof the first meeting of this Committee had been distribut ed to all membersand called for comments and correctionsS. were adopted 8s presented The minut es The Chairman referred to the Treasury Board letter T.B.486770 which gave approval to the setting up of this Committee and expressed appreciation to Messrs. E.0. Landry and D.. atters for their assistance in connection with the Committee's submission e rea.suryboard. During the sumer months officials representing three manufacturers of electronic eqipment met with members of the Commit tee to discuss some aspects of the equipment afactured. These included: 2. orfieials from Burroughs who explained the operating princ iples of the B.101 at a meeting held at the Dominion Bureau of Statistics on June 22, 1955. 2. Officials of .C.A. who explained the operating principles of BIZMAC at a eeting beld at the Jackson Building on July 7, 1955. S.0fficials from IEM ho presented a short movie on "Direct line to decisions ", dealing with the type 650 and 700 series of machinesat a meeting held at the C.h.?. Hess on August 12, 1955. n referring to letters received since the first meeting,the Chairman pointed u that since they dealt with same of the topics includedon the agenda it might be CaairabLeto considerthen when the se topics were under discus sion.? Sent from the all new AOL app for Android

4 years, 3 months

Wanted: IBM PC compatible 8 or 16 bit Arcnet cards

by mbbrutman＠brutman.com

I'm using debug logs to try to debug flow control issues when using mTCP and a packet driver that presents itself as Ethernet but actually uses ARCNET. I've gotten to the point where I just want to have an Arcnet in the house. Especially since I might just modify mTCP to work with Arcnet packet drivers and cards directly. Before I get too serious with eBay, does anybody want to rehome some Arcnet hardware? -Mike

4 years, 3 months

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