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by Hollandia＠ccountry.net

One of my machines is an old Packard-Bell Legend 610 machine, to which I am trying to fit a second hard drive. The machine will not recognize any modern (or semi-modern) hard drive I have attempted to fit. I have tried various master/slave combinations, to no avail. My guess is that this is due to the BIOS being of am early type. The BIOS chip is a socketed DIP package and the lettering on it is too faded to read. The screen boot-up display is this: PhoenixBIOS(TM) A486 Version 1.01 PB400 OPTI 486WB Reference ID 08 Is this a reasonable guess? If so, what might be done by way of a BIOS upgrade? Thanks, Kurt

17 years, 8 months

yet again: shipping advice

by frustum＠pacbell.net

I obtained the Wang 1200 word processor that was mentioned few weeks >from list member Bradley Slavik (thanks!). it is sitting in my sister's garage in Berwyn IL (just west of Chicago). I need to ship it to Austin, tx. My hand wave on the item, not having seen it, but having a picture of one in a brochure. 4" wide, 2.5" deep, 3.5" high, 100 lbs or so. It turns out 100 lbs is a price boundary, but up to 200 lbs is only about $50 more. Based on my hand wave of dimensions and weight, craters & freighters quoted $500 to pick it up in berwyn (60402), crate it, and ship it to austin (78737). Certainly you couldn't pay me $500 to do it myself, so on that basis they are the best option I have so far. I know various people on this list have had better or worse experience with shippers, and I don't mean to get into that discussion again. I was just wondering if this quote is reasonable. Thanks

17 years, 8 months

Opening computer museums

by feldman.r＠comcast.net

>Message: 22 >Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:40:17 -0400 >From: "William Donzelli" <wdonzelli at gmail.com> >Subject: Re: Opening computer museums <snip> >> Yeah, but part of the grant always goes to administrative overhead. >Splat! >"Administrative overhead" is a big red flag for the organizations that >are issuing the grants. <snip> >> At any rate, the grant is going to be issued as the parent >> organization and not directly to you; that's the whole point of >> working under an umbrella organization. But yes, you're correct that >> grants are legal documents with restrictions that have to be observed. >It is wiser to keep any kick backs to the parent organization >completely outside any grants, and wise to keep them above the table. >-- >Will Having worked at the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago, and written a number of grant proposals, I can say that whether or not you include overhead depends both on to whom you are applying (do they allow overhead?) and the institution through which you are applying. Some institutions will let you get by without writing overhead into your grant, while others will insist on overhead greater than what you are asking for in the first place. Overhead rates are usually negotiated in advance between the institution and the granting agency, and the rates vary depending on the use of the money -? salary usually gets a higher overhead rate. At the FMNH, you couldn?t even _talk_ to funding sources without first clearing it with the grants office. The main reason for that was that, by asking the funding source about funding your project, you might jeopardize the funding of other projects that were already in the works or planned. Bob

17 years, 8 months

Opening computer museums

by evan＠snarc.net

>>> without an endowment or a building you are forever treading water untill you find help. Exactly. The toughest place to start is at square one. So I urge people to emulate what we did here in NJ -- start by partnering with an existing organization. A science museum is the best place. Colleges, libraries, community centers, etc. are next. IMHO, the least desirable kind of partner is a private company.

17 years, 8 months

ebay seller: it_equipment_xpress => it_equipment_4_sale

by legalize＠xmission.com

The same overpriced goods and always without a picture. It appears that this seller has just recently gotten a new identity. You may want to adjust your searches to exclude the new identity as I have. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>

17 years, 8 months

WTB: DEC PC04 Paper Tape Reader/Punch

by mardy＠voysys.com

Does anyone have a DEC PC04 paper tape reader/punch that they would be interested in letting go? I'm also looking for the matching PC8-E (M840) UNIBUS controller card. Thanks, -Mardy

17 years, 8 months

IBM Greystone Display Station Manuals

by technobug＠comcast.net

Richard wrote: > In article <5107C05E-01F2-4A99-AEBB-4475E5C10E8B at comcast.net>, > CRC <technobug at comcast.net> writes: > >> I was at my local scrapper recently and ran across a number of >> manuals >> for the IBM Grelystone Display Station in the dumpster: >> >> Maintenance Analysis Procedures >> Greystone Parts Catalog >> Maintenance Information Manual > > What is a "Greystone Display Station"? Googling didn't turn up > anything obvious. Jason T helpfully added: > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> > wrote: > >> What is a "Greystone Display Station"? Googling didn't turn up >> anything obvious. > > Ah, sometimes you have to look to the non-obvious: > > http://www.pmsimon.com/images/productplacement.jpg So that everyone is not left with the wrong impression I scanned a couple of pages from the manuals and they can be found at <elipsoid.home.comcast.net/Greystone.html>. The manuals appear to be drafts for a CRT display station. Again, if interested, they are available for postage. CRC

17 years, 8 months

looking for Motorola PowerStack manuals, info, Any model

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

-- g-wright at att.net wrote: > I think all of the Power Stack computers by Motorola where >Power PC systems. I have 2 AViiON's here which where 88k. (Of >coarse quit large) SO, which AViiON models do you have? I have a 400 and a 412, with enough parts to build a 530. The 'PowerStack' systems I was thinking of looks like this: http://www.corestore.org/powerstack.jpg It looks kinda like a series 900, but not quite exact. Never seen one IRL. ____________________________________________________________ Free quote and debt consolidation information. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m2Xh79qfbH31rKOFSMlAirCs…

17 years, 8 months

SAGE goodies..

by geneb＠deltasoft.com

(for Mike Loewen, but I couldn't find his email address - appologies) http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Vintage-IBM-SAGE-computer-console-switch-banks_W0Q… -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

17 years, 8 months

Apple //e parallel port card

by drb＠msu.edu

A local business contacted me to ask if I had a parallel port card (centronics) for an Apple //e. They apparently got "hit" and lost the existing card. Seems they still have an old application they need to keep running for a few more months while they convert to something newer. I'm not an Apple guy, but promised I'd ask around. So, list, anyone have such a card they'd be willing to part with? Presumably they'd be willing to pay something for it. Mid Michigan, though such a card can presumably be mailed without too much pain from nearly anywhere. Thanks, De

17 years, 8 months

East Coast/Long Island HP 64000 development system for sale

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

This is not my system, contact stan below for details: ====================================================== I have an old HP 64000 development system that I would like to sell to the appropriate person or collector of vintage computer equipment. I just don't know where to look. I am on the east coast on Long Island. stans829 at optonline.net

17 years, 8 months

nifty little keyboards

by slawmaster＠gmail.com

Snagged a bunch of these in original packaging from a box in the engineering department. http://csplan9.rit.edu/users/john/archerkbd.jpg http://csplan9.rit.edu/users/john/archerkbd-tag.jpg Very nice key placement for a UNIX keyboard, assuming you can live without an ALT key (although I guess that is a potential function for the FUNCT key). Maybe I should get a microcontroller and try making a terminal :) John -- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

17 years, 8 months

looking for Motorola PowerStack manuals, info, Any model

by g-wright＠att.net

Hi, I have been looking for a long time and it seems these are not easy to find ??? - Jerry Jerry Wright JLC inc g-wright at att.net

17 years, 8 months

powerstack photos

by aek＠bitsavers.org

http://www.schrotthal.de/motorola/ also, the docs are still on line, if you can figure out what the file names are under https://mcg.motorola.com/us/products/docs/pdf/ The product line has been taken over by Emerson

17 years, 8 months

M88k info

by aek＠bitsavers.org

http://badabada.org/ has a nice overview

17 years, 8 months

What font is the DEC logo?

by evan＠snarc.net

Does anyone happen to know which font(s) best replicate the DEC logo, such as this: http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/alpha/digital_556.jpg ...? I thought Arial Narrow might be correct, but things like the bottom of the lowercase "a" are different. We're looking to make a DEC banner for an exhibit in our museum here in New Jersey. (Or, does anyone have an existing DEC banner to loan / donate inexpensively sell to us?) - Evan

17 years, 8 months

Power control connectors for BA4xx boxes??

by bob＠jfcl.com

Can anyone identify the power control connectors used on the H7874 power supplies in the DEC BA4xx boxes? They look a lot like RJ-45s, but there are some extra ridges in them so that an RJ style plug won't fit. And the contact arrangement is different, so it probably wouldn't work even if it did fit. I'm trying find a cable so I can daisy chain the power control on a couple of cabinets, or matching connectors so that I can make my own. Thanks, Bob Armstrong

17 years, 8 months

hp85 belts : any source in Europe ?

by jos.mar＠bluewin.ch

A local auctionsite yielded me a dead hp85 for 1$. The error was quickly identified : the internal flatcables were badly aligned and shorted out several lines. The machine is now functional, but still suffers from bad contacts. I might resolve to soldering some wires instead of the offending flatcables. Of course tapedrive and printer need to be rebuild : any source for small quantities of these belts in Europe ? Jos Dreesen

17 years, 8 months

OT: Pushing pins

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> Just wondering if anyone's found a decent tool for pushing wire-wrap > socket pins out of (thick) 1/8" prototyping board. I made something a LONG time ago by drilling a hole into the end of a center punch.

17 years, 8 months

Who is vintagecomputermuseum?

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

-- Jim Battle <frustum at pacbell.net> wrote: Dave McGuire wrote: > On Aug 17, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Steven Hirsch wrote: >> Just curious if the person who owns this eBay store is a list regular? >> And, more the the point, do they actually get anyone to pay nearly >> $500 for an AT&T PC7300? > > I sold one for $300 last summer. Remember, this whole notion of > classic computers never being worth any actual money is pretty much > restricted to this mailing list. Yeah, and I guess the whole notion of the classic computers hobby being a level playing field was also restricted to this list. Ooops, I guess not even that is true anymore, huh? ____________________________________________________________ Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3WL623vT1MXViOvoiNjovS5…

17 years, 8 months

Mac unices manuals

by mtapley＠swri.edu

All, A couple of things I have but don't have time to fool with: User's Reference Manual only :-( for Tenon Mach-Ten Unix for Macintosh. also the box for the media, but *no media*. A/UX Essentials Manual only for Apple A/UX X/11 Reference for A/UX X/11 User's Guide for A/UX Apple MacX (User's Guide Supplement for A/UX (2 copies) X-11 for A/UX and MacX install disks (3.5" floppies) I'd like to get shipping + 25% or so; I'm in Zip 78254. Also still looking to divest myself of many many reels of 9-track tape. Suggestions welcome as to a better venue for this kind of announcement, but I'm not a big fan of eBay. Contact by email preferred, cellphone below is also OK. -- - Mark 210-379-4635 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Large Asteroids headed toward planets inhabited by beings that don't have technology adequate to stop them: Think of it as Evolution in Fast-Forward.

17 years, 8 months

looking for Motorola PowerStack manuals, info, Any model

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

-- Steven M Jones <classiccmp at crash.com> wrote: jeff.kaneko at juno.com wrote: >> You'd probably have better luck locating an 88k AViiON. >> Many more were produced, with similar (VME) architecture. >> Documentation is scarce, but if you get the right model, >> there's some good info available. > >Appreciate the suggestion. I already have a few deskside >88k AViiONs buried in storage, Cool! Which model(s)? > several Moto MVME 88100/88110 modules and a chassis >or two, Yep, standard issue . . . >an ADP-badged M8120, The Shoebox! Looks like OpenBSD kinda-sorta works on this one . . . >and one of the OMRON Luna 88k SMP workstations. That last just >popped up on eBay one day so I grabbed it You lucky dog! These are the rarest of the 88k systems (unless you also consider the nearly-mythical 88k NextStation). ISTR a LUNA appeared or E-bay a couple of years ago. Was yours that one? The price was quite high IIRC. . . >-- say, wonder if I can dig that out in time for VCF... Maybe there should be an 88k contingent this go around? Maybe I can bring my 412. . . . Jeff ____________________________________________________________ Live your dreams. Click here to find information on becoming a lawyer. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oFGmeTdIHkCRO7tYZ1uPzwsM…

17 years, 8 months

OT-ish? McIlroy's "Synthetic English Speech by Rule"

by jzg22＠drexel.edu

I know this is a 'blast from the past', but did anyone ever find the McIlroy paper? The McIlroy algorithm both inspired and was in direct competition with the NRL algorithm. The NRL algorithm was developed by Votrax and the Naval Research Laboratory, details of which are discussed in another paper (NTIS ADA0121 929, NRL report 7948) which is available >from the national archives in college park, MD. (I'm planning to get a copy of the latter, but have no idea how to get a copy of the M. D. McIlroy paper. the version in the journal of the acoustical society of america is not the complete paper, but a citation of it for a conference, afaict) * * -- Jonathan Gevaryahu jgevaryahu(@t)hotmail(d0t)com jzg22(@t)drexel(d0t)edu * Don Y* dgy at DakotaCom.Net <mailto:cctech%40classiccmp.org?Subject=OT-ish%3F%20%20McIlroy%27s%20%22Synthetic%20English%20Speech%20by%20Rule%22&In-Reply-To=> /Wed Jul 19 21:37:44 CDT 2006 / My only claim to being *possibly* on-topic is the age of the article (1974) and the fact that it inspired many of the early phoneme-driven speech synthesizers (Votrax, etc.). Does anyone have access to a suitably good engineering library with a copy of: McIlroy, M D, "Synthetic English Speech by Rule", Bell Telephone Labs, CSTR #14, 1973 (though I have also seen it referenced as 1974!) or: Ainsworth, W A, "A System for Converting English Text to Speech", IEEE Trans Audio & Electroacoustics AU-21 #3 pp 288-290, 1973 The former is far more interesting to me than the latter :-( (sigh) There are *some* advantages to being a student (though those days are long past, in my case!) I can try my local public library to see if it is available via ILL. I guess I could also try the local university's engineering library. Thanks! --don

17 years, 8 months

Aim-65 Listed on Vintage Computer and Gaming Marketplace Listings

by marvin＠west.net

I am starting to put stuff up for sale on the Vintage Computer and Gaming Marketplace: http://marketplace.vintage-computer.com/index.php? Included are an Aim-65 and a Pro-Log 900 Prom Programmer. More stuff will be added as time permits.

17 years, 8 months

Upgrading early BIOS

by dm561＠torfree.net

Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:49:22 -0700 From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> Subject: Re: Upgrading early BIOS On 13 Aug 2008 at 15:36, M H Stein wrote: >> AFAIK cable select has always been an option with Parallel ATA drives, >> although it was rarely used in pre-UDMA days; the cable was obviously >> different (40 conductors with standard connectors vs. 80 conductors and >> unique special connectors) and the order of the drives was usually reversed >> (i.e. the slave on the end of the cable). >Nope--I've got a couple of very early Conner and Maxtor drives (less >than 100 MB)--CS isn't an option on the jumpers. If you'd read more carefully, you'd have seen that I *did* say that "not all drives supported the CS option;" in fact, quite a few of the older drives did not. I was responding to the posted statement that CS "had not been invented" in the 486 days, when AFAIK, it was part of the early ATA specs (although rarely implemented in practice). > It's the motherboard that determines the cable type and mode from pin 34, > which is grounded at the mobo end in a UDMA cable, so if the mobo isn't > UDMA-aware I don't think the drives would be, and the cable wouldn't matter. > Also, not all drives supported CS. >Read the Wiki article you cited: >"Pin 34: >Pin 34 is connected to ground inside the blue connector of an 80 >conductor cable but not attached to any conductor of the cable. It is >attached normally on the gray and black connectors". >On UDMA-66 capable drives, it's the cable, not the mobo that dictates >speed. Put an ordinary 40 conductor cable on a UDMA-capable drive >and mobo, and the configuration won't take advantage of it. When the >changeover was in progress, we used to get support calls quite often >on the subject of UDMA cables and drives on non-UDMA mobos. Well, I never knew that just replacing the cable in my 386 and 486 systems would speed things up; live and learn. I always thought that if the mobo wasn't pin 34 aware and UDMA capable then the cable wouldn't have much effect on the transfer mode. AFAIK in order to use UDMA all three items have to be UDMA capable, the mobo, the cable and the drives, although I'd say that, assuming it's UDMA aware, the mobo controls the speed depending on what kind of cable and drives it sees. Semantics? You said that with a UDMA cable, any UDMA capable drive will operate in UDMA mode (presumably regardless of the mobo); how does a drive know what kind of cable is connected? I always assumed that only the mobo can tell from pin 34. BTW, a UDMA cable certainly works with non-UDMA drives and/or mobos, although you have to remember that it is also a CS cable, but I don't think it'll be any faster. >Similarly: >"With the 40-wire cable it was very common to implement cable select >by simply cutting the pin 28 wire between the two device connectors; >putting the slave device at the end of the cable, and the master on >the "middle" connector. This arrangement eventually was standardized >in later versions. If there is just one device on the cable, this >results in an unused "stub" of cable, which is undesirable for >physical convenience and electrical reasons. The stub causes signal >reflections, particularly at higher transfer rates." >Bottom line is that if you use a non-CS-capable (i.e. 40 conductor >"straight through") cable, it won't work. Depending on what the >mobo/controller end does with pin 28, you'll have either two masters >or two slaves on the same cable. Agreed; I took it for granted, but with our detour into UDMA the most important point to be made relevant to the OP is that Cable Select needs a special cable and with pre-UDMA drives & mobos you're probably better off using Master/Slave and a standard cable. >Cheers, >Chuck m

17 years, 8 months

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