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by bwit＠pobox.com

If memory serves: EBCDIC = Extended Binary Coded Decimal Interchange Code IBM mainframes (360, 370, etc) are the only machines I've seen that used it. bw ---------- From: Sam Ismail Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 2:41 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: EBCDIC DOes anyone have a computer which uses the EBCDIC character set, rather than ASCII (did I get the acronym right? what does it stand for anyway)? Just curious. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Victor 9000

by jolminkh＠c2.telstra-mm.net.au

The Victor 9000 sounds like a machine sold in Australia and perhaps Europe as the ACT Sirius and coexisted for a time with the IBM PC because of a shortage of the latter. Chuck Peddle (spelling?) was the originator of the Sirius. The ACT company I think was British and later changed it's name to Apricot. Or am I completely on the wrong track? ---------- > From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)crl.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Victor 9000 > Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 10:45 AM > > At 11:50 PM 6/15/97 -0400, you wrote: > >So what exactly is a Victor 9000??? > >Just another PC clone? > > Not a clone, but similar. Max RAM was 768K, came with a Floppy Drive as > standard (IIRC). Was the first computer to use variable speed disk drives > (as the early Mac's did as well.) Ran an early version of MS-DOS, I think. >

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PONG

by marcw＠lightside.com

> Pong is not the first video game. Nolan Bushnell, who later founded > Atari, did Pong. Several years before Pong, Nolan created a more > sophisticated game called Computer Space, built by Nutting and > Associates. > > Computer Space was the first arcade video game. > Atari home Pong was the first home video game. > Magnavox Odyssey1 was the first home video game system. > > Trust me, I own all of them. > > Kai > I just pulled out the Pong and manual. I suppose I don't have the original pong anyway. Super Pong, Model No. C-140 (1976). It has four different pong games (labelled differently in the manual and on the box). So when did the original Pong make its appearance. Marc

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Software For Trade/Want list

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Okay, enough hardware, it's time for a software trade list! Software wanted: - Apple DOS 3.3 - Apricot F2 DOS - Cromemco CP/M on 8" for System 3 - Microsoft Adventure (floppy for TRS-80, Apple II or PC) - Ithaca InterSystems CP/M, any format - TI 99/4a Disk Manager II cartridge - Apple /// Apple II Emulator Diskette - /// EZ Pieces - Anything for Spectravideo SV-3x8 Software for trade (all freely distributable to the best of my knowledge; let me know if you know otherwise): - Atari DOS 2.0a on 5.25" - Atari DOS 2.5 on 5.25" - Kaypro II CP/M, WordStar, FileStar, SpellStar on 5.25" - Kaypro 10 CP/M (can make diskette from HD if needed) - North Star NSDOS 2.0 on 5.25" - Jade CP/M 2.2 on 8" - Computer Chef on 8" - Infocom "Suspended" and "Starcrossed" on 8" (these work on an 8080 just fine) - Osborne CP/M on 5.25" - Macintosh System 1.0 (yes, Apple has posted this) - TRS-80 Model 100 floppy drive support diskette Also, while we're talking diskettes, does anyone have a MicroSolutions CompatiCard or a Copy II Option Board they'd be willing to sell? thanks Kai

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Exidy disk drive chassis

by dastar＠crl.com

Meant to mention this earlier, but over the weekend I also picked up an Exidy (Sorcerer) dual disk drive chassis (no drives, just the power supply circuitry) for a dollar. I was amazed to find it. I know little to nothing about this system, although thanks to Larry Anderson I have one that is totally hacked up with a funky power-supply that replaced the original (sticking about 2 inches out the back with wierd cords I have no idea how to connect) and some interesting mods inside which seem an attempt to double its memory. Any insights on this system? It's fairly obscure. I was told Exidy used standard PC-type full-height 5.25 drives. Anyone know more about this? Or perhaps know where I can get an interface card for the beast? Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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CLASSICCMP digest 85

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

RE: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> >Subject: Re: Printers and Finds of the Week >I am not familiar with the "SuperPET"; where does it fit in with the >rest of the Commodore line? It sounds like you also had a pretty good >"haul" this weekend! The SuperPET was developed by Waterloo University in Ontario, Canada and was released by Commodore sometime around 1980/81. I read a press release where the CBM 8096 (a close pre-cursor to the SuperPET) and VIC-20 were being introduced. It was also referred to as the Commodore SP9000 and Micro-Mainframe. The SuperPET was (I'm pretty sure) the last of the PET/CBM series. After that, in 1982, almost the entire Commodore line was re-vamped with: the Ultimax, C-64, B-128 series, and P-128/P-500 models. What the "PET Personal Computer Guide" Says about the SuperPET: It was designed around the CBM 8032 but boasted a 64k bank-switched RAM expansion and a 6809 co-processor which could emulate a 16 bit computer. In order to be truly compatible with IBM the OS had been retooled to use standard ASCII throughout, it also has a true RS-232 port. It has a 'Highly flexible terminal mode,' 'highly advanced text editor,' and 'run time monitor.' Among its more remarkable features is its ability to trace and repair most errors without losing the current program or its variables. Another virtue is its ability to send any program or data to another computer at any time in any language. The standard languages are IBM-compatible APL (including a complete APL character set), Waterloo BASIC, COBOL, FORTRAN, and Pascal. All languages are stored on disk (which I don't have any of *sigh*) until used. And at the printing of the book the languages worked as interpreters. Waterloo planned to have compiled versions available for the SuperPET in the future. Another language is included is 6809 assembly language. SuperPET comes with an assembler, linker, and loader. -------------------------------- Many of the features of the SuperPET can be seen in later Commodore units such as the B-128 and C-128 series (bank switched memory co-processors, etc.) Browsing the Web I have found some mentions of them, but many were no more than that. So far it seems one or two may have more than just the unit. I hope to get email soon from one person I wrote for info to.

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EBCDIC

by dastar＠crl.com

DOes anyone have a computer which uses the EBCDIC character set, rather than ASCII (did I get the acronym right? what does it stand for anyway)? Just curious. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Victor 9000

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Not a clone, but similar. Max RAM was 768K, came with a Floppy Drive as > standard (IIRC). Was the first computer to use variable speed disk drive > (as the early Mac's did as well.) Ran an early version of MS-DOS, I think > > And, IIRC, it pre-dated the IBM PC. Ok, some herstory. There were many machines that ran CP/M-86 before in IBM PC, one in particular was the Seattle Computer co, running Q-dos which after a deal with MS would be come MSDOS-1.0 aka PCdos to run on the first PC. I was running a 8086 system in 1980 that clearly blow the doors off a PC. It was 8086 not 8088 at 5.0mhz and 16bit wide memory using standard multibuss cards. By late 81 that machine was 8mhz, and 82 brought a copy of PC dos to it. Early MSdos could be configured like CP/M. The PC was slow, clunky, closed and expensive! By time the XT arrived still slow, clunky and expensive there are several S100 and other systems that were very fast 6/8/10 mhz 8088 or 8086 systems.

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Aquarius/Aquarius II

by jscarter＠worldnet.att.net

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Victor 9000

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 03:49 PM 6/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >1979? The Victor 9000 came out in 1985/86 according to previous >discussions. Indeed it would have been the "technological cutting edge" >in 1979, and for quite some time as it would have pre-dated the computer >it was supposed to be semi-compatible with. My (admittedly faulty) memory puts the Victor 9000 pre-IBM. I remember my parents considering purchasing one, and being horrified at the specs on the IBM PC when it came out. I couldn't understand why anyone would buy one when they could have the Victor 9000 instead. Maybe I should check some of the docs I've got and see what they say. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Aquarius/Aquarius II

by BROBSTONA＠wartburg.edu

Was the Aquarius II compatible with the old Aquarius programs? Can anyone give me a lead on an Aquarius II? -- Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu ***NEW URL BELOW*** http://www.wartburg.edu/people/docs/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College as a whole.

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osborne 1 serial number

by dastar＠crl.com

I finally got a chance to play with my Osborne 1 and must say it is a nice little system. For its time it was a great product. The software is very user-friendly and overall the system runs quite nicely. The disk drives are rather fast. I was making backups of my system disks and it reads almost 5 tracks per second (but writes at about a rate of 5 seconds per track). Hey, my Osborne 1 has serial number A01284. Can anyone beat that? Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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available for sale or trade

by allisonp＠world.std.com

I found these while looking for the docs for my SWTP CT1024 terminal board that I'm resurecting (it works) These are available for sale or trade: SWTP PR40 schematic and wiring drawing (D size sheet two sided) SWTP MP-S serial interface (SS50, 6800) assembly, schematic and board views. Ohiso Scientific sams photofact service manual complete for: Superboard-II Model C1P Model C1PMF Allison

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An Apple Weekend!

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Well, not a bad weekend for Apple stuff. I visited two swap meets and a dozen thrifts, and came up with the following stuff (the weird thing is, all of my traditional good spots were dry, and all the dry ones had good stuff -- and not only that, these systems weren't complete but instead all the parts came from different locations!) - An Apple II - An Apple II with RAM expansion card, Grappler card, 80 column card - An Apple /// with ProFile hard disk, second floppy and Monitor /// - An Apple ///+ with ProFile hard disk, second floppy, serial card, and a "///+//" Apple II emulation card (!) - Another ProFile hard disk (that makes 3!) - Apple /// JOYSTICK !!!!! (egads) - Two Apple II series joysticks - Apple II series game paddle set Plus: - Three Central Point Copy II Option Boards (copy Apple, Mac, TRS-80, CP/M formats on PCs) - Two 8-bit Plus Hard Card 20's - Silicon Valley ADP50 (run IDE hard drives in an IBM PC) Kai

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Beat this haul...

by dastar＠crl.com

Ok, the weekend's not even over, and here's how I did: 101 Online - A neat little terminal with a 9" screen. The keyboard covers the screen and flips down with the push of a button. It has a built-in 4800bps modem. It was used to connect to some online service in California at some time or another. The whole thing is in this cute 10"x10"x10" package - $5 Laser 50 with manuals - $4 (Hi Bill!) Commodore 64, Commodore 64C (two of 'em, one seems to be this weird clone since the plastic looks different from the other one and it has no markings), two 1541 drives, two Star NX-1000C dot matrix printers - All free Data General One (Model 2) laptop. Two questions: How did the model 2 differ from the model 1? And I didn't get a power supply with this, but was told by a couple people all it requires is a special three-prong power cord. The receptacle is an oval with three conductors. Anyone know about this? - $15 2 Commodore 1541 drives, 2 Commodore 1571 drives - $8 DEC Rainbow 100 with all the trimmings (extra cards, all software and manuals) - $10 VIC-20 Modem - $1 Commodore 64 user's guide, VIC-20 User's Guide - $1 (the guy I bought this stuff from claims to have 7 PDP-11s and "several" PDP-8s that he's been hording. Needless to say I threatened him with great bodily harm if he didn't give me some. We agreed to meet to discuss the "free taking" of one of each system. He also has lots of other DEC stuff for sale and for give-away to those who would give it good homes. I will keep us posted on any late-breaking developments. He also said he has a Cyber hard drive unit which sounds like the size of a dishwasher as he described it. I think the model number was 690s or something. I know I'm way off. If anyone wants this its in California. Apparently he has tons of mostly DEC stuff he's been collecting from local colleges and universtities. Again, I'll keep us posted). And let's see, oh yeah, I'm not done! ZX-81 with manuals/power supply and... Victor 9000 and... IMSAI 8080! IMSAI MPU-A (Rev 4) 8080A CPU card IMSAI SIO (Rev 3) Serial card DCHayes Modem (I am assuming 300baud...S100!) Disk Jockey 2D/B 8" drive card (and some 8" drive...I forget the manufacturer) (4) Digital Research Company Memory Boards (I think each one is 16K) All manuals/schematics/notes plus some extra IMSAI fron panel overlays All this from the original owner for $100. What a bargain. Ok, this guy is cool. First of all, to you guys complaining that you never get anything good, here's the message I posted on my local forsale newsgroup which brought about this acquisition: ---BEGIN USENET MESSAGE---

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Weekend Acquisitions III

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> First edition K&R I ahve stapled version with bell labs technical report #31 "the C programming language" by D.M. Richie, and M.E. lesk. october 1975 it has hand scribbles re: tiny C as it was part of communication with Jon Gibson. Got it back around 79 while visiting Bell labs homdel on a business call. No offers acepted as it's my working copy for C and my bible! Allison

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Aim65's for sale

by BigLouS＠aol.com

Thought this may be of interest to some of you. His email address should be Mikeooo1(a)aol.com Lou Subj: Aim 65 single board micro Date: 97-06-16 16:20:52 EDT From: Mikeooo1 I have several Aim 65's in new condition,a hot item in the 80's it was the precursor to the pc.Features a single board microprocessor complete with display,printer,keyboard,power supply,with a 6502 cpu.Fully functional but also a nice collector's item.

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Victor 9000

by clark_geisler＠nortel-nsm.com

(Embedded image moved dastar @ crl.com to file: 06/15/97 03:49 PM PIC18303.PCX) Please respond to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu To: classiccmp @ u.washington.edu cc: (bcc: Clark Geisler/NORTEL-NSM) Subject: Re: Victor 9000 Sam wrote: >1979? The Victor 9000 came out in 1985/86 according to previous >discussions. Indeed it would have been the "technological cutting edge" >in 1979, and for quite some time as it would have pre-dated the computer >it was supposed to be semi-compatible with. I recall seeing Victor 9000's newly installed in a computer lab at the University of British Columbia in 1983.

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Tektronix 8530 (was re: Terak 8510a)

by clark_geisler＠nortel-nsm.com

(Embedded image moved ard12 @ eng.cam.ac.uk to file: 06/15/97 02:14 PM PIC24988.PCX) Please respond to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu To: classiccmp @ u.washington.edu cc: (bcc: Clark Geisler/NORTEL-NSM) Subject: Re: Terak 8510a >Talking of obscure PDP11-related machines, has anyone else ever come >across the Tektronix 8530 etc systems. These machines were sold as micro >development systems and lived in 2 racks - one contained an LSI11 (or >PDP11/23) CPU card + RAM + disk controller + I/O + drives (either a couple >of 8" floppies or one floppy and a Micropolis 1200 hard disk), while the >other contained the development options -- in-circuit emulators, logic >analyser, EPROM programmer, etc. They ran either a much-hacked RT11 or a >much-hacked Unix. This sounds a lot like a system I saw installed new at my alma mater (University of British Columbia) my graduation year (1983). It was a Tektronix development system with LSI11 CPU running UNIX. There were a number of terminals attached, and it was used to teach computer process control concepts to non-computer eng. types. I remember seeing various pumps and tanks connected to it. I never used it seriously myself, but just logged on to play with it: this was the first Unix system I had seen. I wasn't very impressed with it at the time: whenever I used the 'man' program, the pages would just scroll up the screen (no pause), then it cleared the screen, leaving the prompt. Clark Geisler 'just have an Amiga 1000 and a VAX 11/730'

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Victor 9000

by ccm＠sentex.net

I'm so excited...this is my first post to this great group. In 1981 I left NCR to work for Victor (Canada) Limited to organize a tech support team and assist a calculator saleforce become successful sellers of microcomputers - namely the Victor 9000 or Vickie as it came to be called. The Victor 9000 came out in 1982. It was produced by a company called Sirius Computer Corp. Mr. Chuck Peddle designed the 9000 and ran Sirius. Peddle had preivously worked for Commodre and designed the PET. By golly, before that he worked on the 6502 chip (the CPU in early Apples). Now here's more corporate geneology stuff. Victor used to be called Victor Comptometer. It was owned by the Victor family of Chicago and was bought-out by the Kidde Corp a conglomerate. Kidde also invested in Sirius. The 9000 was a machine designed for people. It came with a non-glare monochrome monitor on a tilt and swivel-base - hey we're talking 1981 here! It had an ergonomically-considerate keyboard, small footprint, and oh yah, it had a voice chip on the motherboard. The last step of POST (power-on, self-test) was the 9000 telling you "Hello, I am a Victor 9000." I get a kick out of listening to the Comdex 1990 keynote speech by Bill Gates (the one when he announced the Information at Your Fingertips campaign), because he declared that someday computers will have voice-digitization on the motherboard. Did you hear that Chuck? Unforunately the 9000 didn't last long. Sirius had grand plans to become the next IBM, they absorbed Victor, sold lots of machines (a single order of 4000 to Ford Motors), then promptly went bankrupt. Victor Canada was closed down in the mid-1980s. The 9000 came in two cases. Early (first) models housed the processor in a rectangular case. Later models used a niffty angular case. I don't know if voice digitization made it into the angular case. My 9000 occupies a place in my subcollection of Unique Systems - systems that were, well let's say they were ahead of their times. Other machines here include the Lisa, Workslate, Hyperion, Star, Apple III, DG/One, etc. Hope this helps you, I know it sure was fun for me. Yours in good faith. >Hello! > >I have a Victor 9000, cheap to good home. The technological cutting edge in >1979, it has a keyboard that includes a 1/2 and 1/4 key, a wonderfully >massive dot matrix printer, and a version of Wordstar that is truly hideous. > Plus other software. The thing seems to run on DOS 1.25. It has been in my >garage for years, and I hate to see such a monstrosity go without victims. > Is there someone out there who would like to have it? Please respond to >MoeHoward1(a)aol.com or David.Stevens(a)pgw.com. > >

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PONG

by idavis＠comland.com

At 06:21 AM 6/16/97 +0000, you wrote: >Aaaah! That's more like it! What I meant was the home video game >console. Now back to the original question: does anybody know where I >can get a photo of it or at least a description). Thank you > >enrico Enrico, Try this site. It has a picture of an atari pong machine: http://members.aol.com/cvendel/vaporware.html Hope this helps. Isaac Davis | Don't throw out that old computer, idavis(a)comland.com | check out the Classic Computer Rescue List - indavis(a)juno.com | http://www.comland.com/~idavis/classic/classic.html

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PONG

by marcw＠lightside.com

> > I don't know if I have any of the Pong advertisements or not, but I most > likely have something close. It is pretty easy to recognize as the > cabinet was about 27" or so wide, about 30" deep, and stood somewhere > around 6 feet high. Pong had a monitor?!? I didn't know that. I have Atari's Pong here which is just the console. First video game we ever got. I plan to pull it out of retirement for a 1970's party being planned. Hmm, I'd like to find a pic of that 6ft beast myself. Marc -- >> ANIME SENSHI << Marc D. Williams marcw(a)lightside.com marc.williams(a)mb.fidonet.org IRC Nick: Senshi Channel: #dos http://www.agate.net/~tvdog/internet.html -- DOS Internet Tools

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Victor 9000

by more＠camlaw.rutgers.edu

So what exactly is a Victor 9000??? Just another PC clone? Les

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PONG

by e.tedeschi＠ndirect.co.uk

Doeas anybody have a photograph of "PONG" the first video game ever? Or where I can find one? I have never seen it and I don't know how it looks like so I will not be able to recognize it if I ever bump into one. Thanks enrico -- ================================================================ Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K. tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile website <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi> ================================================================ visit Brighton: <http://www.brighton.co.uk/tourist/welcome.htm>

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Atari 2600 questions

by BigLouS＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-06-12 22:38:21 EDT, marvin(a)rain.org (Marvin) wrote: > Back when the Atari 400 was introduced, I got hooked on Space Invaders. > I found the Atari and other Joysticks to be a complete waste when it > came to playing Space Invaders ..... Why didn't you use the Atari paddles?

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MIT flea...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Well I'm back from the flea... I did sell two of the COCOs and a few other odds and ends. The bulk of the pile remains as "it wasn't VGA or PC". Of the more interesting things I'd like to sell for nominal fee or trade: TRS80 docs and tapes... moto6800D1 pristine with docs MDS800 mostly complete The s100 memory cards, s100 crate, Anadex DP-8000 printer working and docs. In the process I aquired a real fine PDP11/23+ with RX02. It's excess and has V4 and v5 DOCs and install kits along with apparently two sets of X11 diags. Also there is a MiniMINC LSI11 kit with mincBaisc. There is an unopened (shrink intact) box of 8" media. The 11/23 is has 512k of ram 4 serial ports and a RX02 disk system that looks operational. This is also excess... don't ask, call it a rescue. Anyone interested let me know as I'm trying to make room for a PDP-8/e/m/f! Allison

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Terak 8510a

by alexios＠vennea.demon.co.uk

Oh yes! I finally own a little bit of a PDP. The Department of AI at the university here just disposed of some of its old hardware and I ended up with a Terak 8510a with extra floppy (8512) and monitor, keyboard (8532). Lovely!!! It's a really neat and fast machine. FYI, it has a four-slot backplane with an LSI-11 board (with FPU), 28kw of MOS RAM, a brilliant framebuffer card (640x240 text and 320x240 graphics at the same time -- the card mixes both modes on the same screen and allows hardware panning, smooth scrolling and other effects), Shugart floppy interface, RS-232/current loop and some other strange card (probably for controlling some robotic device of sorts -- useful). It came with all of its documentation (disgustingly complete, including business reply card with `READ THIS NOW' written at the back, brochures, reference cards, RT-11 manuals, Shugart tech ref (so you want to take apart your Shugart 8" drive's head assembly?), etc). Also a set of original red-and-purple(?) PDP-11 manuals for RT-11. And to top it off, there were a few 1978-1979 DEC PDP manuals for various architectures. They're in almost mint condition, but the paper is really showing its age. GOOD documentation, though. Software-wise, there are both of the common OSs for the Terak: RT-11 and UCSD P-System/Pascal (haven't worked with this in ten years, but my fingers still remember how to press 'F','L',':' really fast). Lots of languages, including Logo, BASIC and Prolog (it *was* a DAI machine, you see). The 12" monitor is rock steady and displays a clear image in P3 phosphor (sort-of paper white) and the keyboard is refreshingly 70s with nice clunky keys that, however, are really comfortable for touch typing once you get used to them. Oh yes, I also got a boxed TI-99/4A with all its manuals and a memory expansion box, but that is probably too common for you folks in the States and certainly too mundane in comparison to the Terak. I'm a happy man. :-) PS: Oh, the department has quite a nice collection of old stuff, including a PERQ that just seemed to attract a lot of drool. They're keeping it, though -- it's going to a real museum (not computer related, though). All in all, I think I must have looked too much like a kiddie in a sweet shop. --------------------------- ,o88,o888o,,o888o. ------------------------------- Alexios Chouchoulas '88 ,88' ,88' alexios(a)vennea.demon.co.uk The Unpronounceable One ,o88oooo88ooooo88oo, axc(a)dcs.ed.ac.uk

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Victor 9000

by MoeHoward1＠aol.com

Hello! I have a Victor 9000, cheap to good home. The technological cutting edge in 1979, it has a keyboard that includes a 1/2 and 1/4 key, a wonderfully massive dot matrix printer, and a version of Wordstar that is truly hideous. Plus other software. The thing seems to run on DOS 1.25. It has been in my garage for years, and I hate to see such a monstrosity go without victims. Is there someone out there who would like to have it? Please respond to MoeHoward1(a)aol.com or David.Stevens(a)pgw.com.

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Atari 800-XL (fwd)

by alexios＠vennea.demon.co.uk

Hello folks! I've received the following message from someone who needs to find a good home for his Atari 800XL system (free): If interested, please reply to him. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Greetings! I have a fully functional working 800-XL with expanded memory, a Smith-Corona printer, a good disk drive, a good monitor, a 300-baud modem (whoopee!), enough books and manuals to stock a small library (currently mine), all issues but the first 12 or or of ANTIC, ANALOG, and COMPUTE magazines, and a whole lot of disks, some directly from magazines, some from user groups, most from listings I've typed in. Since I've upgraded to the PC, the Atari system has become expendable, and needs to go -- I need the room. Realizing that, by your email, you are not a hop, skip, OR jump away >from me, here's hoping you can put me in touch with someone who'll be able to give my 'baby' a good home. Thanks, Doug Rasmussen 1233 - 167th Ave. S.E. Bellevue, WA 98008 Phone: (425) 747-3846 Fax: (425) 644-8912 email: pptdoug(a)aa.net ---------------------------------------- --------------------------- ,o88,o888o,,o888o. ------------------------------- Alexios Chouchoulas '88 ,88' ,88' alexios(a)vennea.demon.co.uk The Unpronounceable One ,o88oooo88ooooo88oo, axc(a)dcs.ed.ac.uk

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More FREE! to good home...

by kyrrin＠wizards.net

In looking through my garage last night, I found an old (about '84 vintage) NCR I-Tower computer system. 68020 based, this particular beastie ran a variant of Unix customized for NCR. I would far rather have the space for DEC stuff. With that in mind, anyone who cares to visit Kent, WA (east hill) can haul this beast away for the asking. Worst case, the main tower has an integral UPS; you could probably adapt such to other systems. Drop me an E-mail if interested, or give me a call at (253) 639-9555. Thanks in advance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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IMSAI 8080

by dastar＠crl.com

I have a question about the value of an IMSAI 8080. Say someone had a nice, working IMSAI 8080 in decent condition. How much, realistically, could one expect to sell this for? Say someone had an IMSAI 8080, in pieces, the working condition being unknown. How much, realistically, could one expect to sell this for? Now I have a question about a Victor-9000. Victor 9000, working...how much? Victor 9000, bad floppy controller...how much? Thanks! Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Turned over the right rocks...

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Well... this may not beat Sam's weekend haul, (and if he finds a 'Straight' 8 from this mysterious person I'm *really* gonna be jealous) but I think it's significant. A note to begin: I'm announcing this here initially as a sort of place holder before I proceed as will be noted below. A bit of a CYA action you might say... --- we begin --- I was doing some *long* overdue cleaning in the Computer Garage this weekend, and finally located some items that I knew were there but had not mentioned since I could not locate them. Even now, I have not located *all* of them, but enough to make their presence known. Somewhere between probably 5-8 years ago, I purchased some equipment, documentation, and supplies from a sale being held by some Digital Research, Inc. staff. Little did I know just what I was coming into. In addition to some S-100 hardware that been used for development, I purchased a series of disks and original DRI binders. To be specific to what I have (re-)located so far, the binders contain complete source listings for MP/M versions 1.1 and 2.0, and CP/M Plus version 3.0 and all supporting utilities and programs. If I recall correctly from when I originally received the materials, I should also have the sources for CP/M version 2.2 and the associated disks. (don't hold me to this until I locate the other boxes tho. B^} ) To be fair, I will be contacting Caldera on Monday and will not be accepting requests for access to these documents until such time as I have verified their standing with Caldera. --- why this message? --- Basically, so that the existance of this material is known in the unlikely event that I should recieve an unfavourable reaction from Caldera. I try to avoid entanglements with those in the legal profession, but past experience has shown that a 'document trail' never hurts... More news as it becomes available... -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Intro (belated)

by kyrrin＠wizards.net

Heh... I should probably have done this just after I subscribed. Oh well... Yes, it's me. Some of you may already have at least gotten an E-mail from me, or spoken to me on the phone. I have a whole garage full of DEC stuff, including several MicroVAX II's, MicroPDP-11/23 and 11/73, appropriate monster hard drives, a couple of Cipher front-loading tape units, various parts and racks, etc. DEC stuff is my current Big Thing, though I regret that I don't have the space nor the power facilities to handle the full-size machines (like the 11/70 or the VAX-11 series). Still, MicroVAXen and the PDP's make for interesting diversions. I've been working with electronics since I was old enough to start tearing things apart (not that I got them back together that often!), have been a ham radio op since 1977, and working with computers on and off since 1978. I currently work at Boeing Defense & Space group, operations, computing support (been there since November). I am happily married, and my mate knew darn well what she was getting into when she married a techie. I'm not a Washington native, though I do live in Kent at the moment (I think of myself as an 'unrepentant Californian'). For those that are curious beyond this post, I invite you to have a look at http://www.wizards.net/technoid. Among other things, I have a listing of both Washington and California electronics-oriented swap meets and surplus stores on the link 'The Wonderful World of Scrounging.' I gladly invite corrections and updates to said list! Let's see, what else...? I try to make at least two trips a year to the Bay Area for scrounging purposes (Sam? Want to get together sometime and introduce me to some of the other local collectors?<g>), and to meet up with a friend of mine in San Jose who shares my interests. We've often done selling or buying trips to the Bay Area swap meets together, having known each other since about 1980. That's about all I can think of at the moment. Caveat emptor! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Filling in the holes...

by more＠camlaw.rutgers.edu

Hi guys, my collection is still on the small side (25 or so) and lately I've just been trying to cover "all the bases." I'm mainly interested in 80's micros (since that's what I grew up with) and have a few holes to fill. OK, enough filler, here's what I need: - I *still* don't have an Atari! - I'd like a MSX machine as well (never even seen one in anything other than magazine articles) - and maybe a Timex just for the hell of it. If anyone has any duplicates that they'd like to sell/trade etc. than PLEASE let me know! I live in the (relatively) Philadelphia area. BTW, someone on this mailing list mentioned that they needed the TI Speech box. If by this you mean the Speech Synthesizer that plugged into the side than I have 2 (and only 1 TI) so.... However, if you mean the Terminal Emulator II cartridge than, sorry, I only have 1 of those! :( Les more(a)crazy.rutgers.edu

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Classic semi-portables

by gram＠cnct.com

With the current thread on Osborne's machines (he was a great writer about computer concepts, a fair engineer, and a _lousy_ businessman -- level of incompetence at work ala the Peter Principle), I realise that besides Kaypro, there is another line of pre-laptops I'm interested in. If anybody gets a line on an available Otrona CP/M system, I am very interested. I thought it was the prettiest luggable around, even though I continue very loyal to my TRS-80 4P. What ever happened to Otrona, anyway? Did they get absorbed by Olivetti and forced to make pathetic PC semi-compatibles for AT&T? (The Olivetti/AT&T PC 6300 had a video connector that carried 70vdc to the monitor from a connector that looked like a PC parallel port [female DB-25] until a customer mistook which connector was which, I thought that _nothing_ could kill a TRS-80 Daisy Wheel Printer II -- the aroma of semiconductors reverting to rocks in both printer and CPU demonstrated that something indeed could). -- Ward Griffiths "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." --Claire Wolfe

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Osbourne Executive (fwd)

by jeffh＠unix.aardvarkol.com

Here's a message I recieved last year after the aquisition of my Osborne Executive that I thought some of you might find interesting: *** Forwarded message, originally written by Arthur N. Borg on 14-Aug-96 *** Dear Jeff, At the time that the Osbourne was being designed, I worked for the company that made the display. I remember clearly asking one of the Osbourne engineers what he thought about the IBM PC that had recently been introduced. He said, that computer has a color display, It is just a toy or video game. Ours is a business computer. The Osbourne executive ran CP/M 3.0 as the operating system. If you have an operating system disk and a format and modem disk. You should have access to everything that you need. Walnut Creek has a CD-ROM with more CP/M material than you could imagine. I (think) that I have a set of manuals but I also (think) that they are in storage in the United States. One caveat. In the manual there is a drawing showing how to connect the parallel port to a Centronics printer. The drawing is totally incorrect. I spent a week re-wiring the dongle so that the printer would work. The Osbourne Executive has two unusual features. First, the printer port is alsso a bi-directional IEE-488 interface and so the machine could control and monitor lab equipment and so on. Also, the type face is loaded into ram at start up and so, you can devise your own type face or use Greek or whatever. We also made some of the displays for the Osbourne 1 and having a 63 character display was very limiting. Fitting 80 characters on a 7 inch display was not easy. You will note if you have a full screen of characters, as you turn the machine around, the earth's magnetic field tends to make the outer characters slip out of view. Osbourne was roundly condemned for announcing this machine too early and killing sales for the Osbourne 1 and thus killing the company. I think that this is a harsh judgement. This was the time that FCC radiation rules were just getting started and everyone was having a hard time meeting them. In plain fact, I think that they didn't realize how big a task they had to pass this test. I saw some figures after the company died. There was no week that they were in business that the company had a positive cash flow. You could see from the curves that somewhere out in the future, they would have a positive cash flow. I think that the investors just felt that there was too much going for IBM and pulled the plug on Osbourne. Best regards, Art Borg ***End of forwarded message Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amiga enthusiast and collector of early, classic microcomputers

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Printers

by BigLouS＠aol.com

> On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Marvin wrote: > > > Along the lines of saving stuff, does anyone collect the old printers? A topic I've given a lot of thought. The original MX-80 and the Paper Tiger immediately spring to mind as classic printers worthy of incorporating into a museum but I can't think of much else I'd have to own (aside from maybe an original laserjet). Given the space limitations that most of us have collecting printers in the manner that we collect computers is impractical. But if you are inclined to collect them they are certainly plentiful and cheap. Lou

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Stuff I looked at today

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> I bought a TI-99/4A for $2, in its original box. As far as I can tell, > it's a complete system, but there's no software. All of you have one > of these machines, right? :) If I remember it didn't come with software other than the embedded basic. Allison

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MIT flea...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Tomorrow I will be at the MIT flea market. I have to thin my excesses. Of interest will be: memory and some other parts in tubes with old (pre81) date codes. Stuff like TMS4060, upd411, upd410, 2012... Motorola 6800D1 board, with docs and extras. Some s100 boards SEALS, IMS and PT 8k 2102 memory and others. Some Altair memory S4k and 88-4MCD, altair front pannel logic and 8080 cpu. Many with docs available. DUAL inc, 68k s100 cpu. compupro s100 motherboard. S100 box, industrial strength. Some extra CPM docs and misc books. Intel MDS800 nearly complete, no disks. I have a non intel multibus disk controller for it. Silver reed LQP, complete with docs, daisy wheels, ribbons. Working. Anadex printer working, with docs. Both serial and parallel. 2 cocos condition unknown. MISC qbus PDP11 modules including some core planes(operational!). A couple of BDV11va. Wire wrap modules. H962 diode rom boot board with docs. Assortment of power supplies. Very complete TRS80 DOCS, CPU, EI, tapes extras. Including some z80 and trs-80 books. Floppy drives, St506 drives, external single floppy boxes (al la TRS80). Fans for use in s100 or other boxes. Allison

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Stuff I looked at today

by BROBSTONA＠wartburg.edu

I decided to go to garage sales this morning. I passed up an IBM 5150 with some sort of monitor for $15 or offer. It had a single 5.25" drive. I suspect it had been picked over for parts, since there was another PC there for sale, and the seller said that he "wanted to upgrade the other PC's memory with chips from this one." I didn't really want the machine, and I didn't figure it would be worth shipping. I bought a TI-99/4A for $2, in its original box. As far as I can tell, it's a complete system, but there's no software. All of you have one of these machines, right? :) -- Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu ***NEW URL BELOW*** http://www.wartburg.edu/people/docs/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College as a whole.

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by BROBSTONA＠wartburg.edu

>I had a good weekend. This is what I got: [snip] >All for $50. It was at our local Science center, so I decided to be >generous with my offers. They keep all procedes. Any offers for >trades/for sale welcome. Any pointers to info on the softcard? Ain't kidding you had a good weekend! -- Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu ***NEW URL BELOW*** http://www.wartburg.edu/people/docs/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College as a whole.

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Printers

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

At 10:29 AM 6/13/97 -0700, you wrote: >On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Ward Griffiths and/or Lisa Rogers wrote: > >> Wish I had my old MX-80 with the bootleg Graftrax ROM. > >I'm just curious, but what's special about the MX-80? Well... to my mind the thing that made the MX-80 somewhat revolutionary for its time was the user replacable print head that initially retailed for about $35.00. Compared against other printers of the time which required a trip to the shop and an average of $200.00 in repairs for a filed head, I think it deserves its place of recognition. -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Thrifts out of controll

by BigLouS＠aol.com

I frequent two thrift stores in the same town on a regular basis and the prices, while higher than what you folks on the west cost are used to, were reasonable. However three weeks ago they started getting in a lot of PC equipment and the prices on it were ridiculous i.e $70 for a Packard Bell XT clone with a monochrome monitor and $50 for an IBM 5150 PC with monitor. While I was amused I wasn't really concerned since I have little interest in this type of gear. Now however the madness has infected the old 8 bit equipment. Some examples. Apple IIc with monitor, 5 1/4" and 3 1/2" external drives $75. Not too bad you say. Well then how about a C-64 with a 1571 disk drive and power supplies for $80? The killer was a Coco 1 with manuals for $99 dollars. Three weeks ago the C-64 and the Coco would have been $12 each and the 1571 about $15. I assume that they have someone new pricing this equipment but I can't for the life of me figure out the rationale behind these prices. Needless to say they're not moving much equipment. Sorry for the rant but I just had to let it out. I did complain to the cashier who said (sincerely I believe) that she would inform the manager . Lou

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Stuff I looked at today

by josh＠netins.net

I had a good weekend. This is what I got: 2 UNOPENED boxes of QuickFile II for Apple II 1 Pinpoint Software for Apple II 1 Set of manuals for IBM PC AT 2 Sets of manuals for WordPerfect (In box like PC AT manuals) 1 TI 59 Calculator with printer 1 Apple IIE computer 1 Microsoft Softcard 1 Super Serial II card 4 Disk II drives 2 Diks II interfaces 1 Numeric pad for IIe 1 Apple II Parallel card (By apple) 1 Amiga Monitor, the nice RGB/Composite monitor, Mono 1 Kodac Diconix 150+ printer for Mac All for $50. It was at our local Science center, so I decided to be generous with my offers. They keep all procedes. Any offers for trades/for sale welcome. Any pointers to info on the softcard? Josh M. Nutzman +----------------------------------------------+ |"Life is like a river, you go with the flow...| | but in the end you usually end up dammed." | | -The Red Green Show | +----------------------------------------------+

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Thrifts out of controll

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> I frequent two thrift stores in the same town on a regular basis and the > prices, while higher than what you folks on the west cost are used to, were > reasonable. However three weeks ago they started getting in a lot of PC > equipment and the prices on it were ridiculous i.e $70 for a Packard Bell XT > clone with a monochrome monitor and $50 for an IBM 5150 PC with monitor. > While I was amused I wasn't really concerned since I have little interest in > this type of gear. Could be worse. The University of Utah Property Redistribution Center seems to have a very odd idea of pricing. One day I went in and saw a teletype marked $300. Walked out with an HP 9100B calculator for $10. Somebody there seems to know _some_ things are collectable but has no idea exactly _what_. Last time I visited, though, it was all boring PC stuff... Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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Printers

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> repairs. I like mine because it has serial inputs - something that's > getting increasingly hard to find on 99% of the printers in production. the venerable LA120! It was the last of the printers that could punch 8part carbon forms. The more common la100RO or LA210 serial and quite solid. I'm still running a LA100RO I bought new in 84 wide platten and rugged with fair near letter quality. other serial printers from DEC: LA34, LA36, LA38, LA12 corrospondent, LA50, LA75, LN01 with serial option (that was a 12ppm xerox laser). To mention a few. Allison

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

> > Well... to my mind the thing that made the MX-80 somewhat revolutionary fo > its time was the user replacable print head that initially retailed for > about $35.00. Compared against other printers of the time which required while significant there were other things of note. It was low cost but not cheap. It was widely sold. Many other vendors copied it, it was a defacto standard in itself. I represented a step up over many printers at twice the cost. Later version were based on it. Allison

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Earl's

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> (If you aren't aware - it is a dual processor 8080 (CP/M) and 8086 (CP/M > 86 or MS-DOS) computer with 2 5.25" floppies). I used to have one that > belonged to work... it is kinda cool. No that's z80 and 8088 cpus running cpm80/86. Amoung other things it would take up to 896k of ram, color adaptor and a hard disk. Allison

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Earl's

by thompson＠squirrel.tgsoft.com

Earl's down here (a liquidation place) has a DEC Rainbow for sale. I don't exactly remember what they want for it, but i remember thinking it was ridiculous (probably the better half of 100 bills, maybe more). However, if anybody wants this particular curio, I will be glad to trot down there and grab it for you. (If you aren't aware - it is a dual processor 8080 (CP/M) and 8086 (CP/M 86 or MS-DOS) computer with 2 5.25" floppies). I used to have one that belonged to work... it is kinda cool. -mark

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Classic Computers to Save?

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Im still looking for a plain Apple][, and an Apple//e platinum, the one with the numeric keypad on the side, please check if they have any of either of these, as I need them for my collection. ---------- > From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Classic Computers to Save? > Date: Friday, June 13, 1997 1:33 PM > > I just got back from checking out several places here in Sanata Barbara > where machines are being sold. > > First, there are a number of SpectraGraphics DS1080 machines along with > some good size terminals, keyboards, etc. I am not familiar with the > units but the guy indicated this was a workstation assembly. If anyone > is interested, let me know and I'll get back to him. I *think* there > were about four of the DS1080 machines, at least a couple large monitors > (19" or so RGB I think), some keyboards, perhaps some type of digitizing > pad (not sure about this), and I didn't see any docs or software with > it. He indicated he would be quite happy with $100 for the lot. My > guess is that the lot weighs probably about 300 pounds or so. He > indicated this was used as a CAD system. > > Second, there is an NCR PC-8 Xenix machine with some software, monitor, > and several keyboards. I might end up trying to get it since I don't > have one in the collection but if someone else is interested, let me > know. My guess is that the lot weighs in at about 100 pounds or so. > While I forgot to ask the price on this, he would most likely be more > than happy with $30 - $50 for the lot. > > Thirdly, he had three or four Apple IIC's along with a bit of > documentation, one of the Imagewriters, and perhaps some a little bit of > other stuff I missed. Total weight is probably about 50 - 75 pounds, > and he would take $20 each or probably $40 - $50 for the lot. Each of > the first three Apples had either one or two external floppy disk drives > with them. > > Finally, I went over to a local rummage sale and there was a bunch of > Commodore stuff primarily C64s, documentation, some Apple docs, and some > printers. This will be over this afternoon about 3PM PST so I will show > up about 2:30 to see what I can haul away :). I will most likely just > pick it up what is left just to save it from the dumpster but most of > what I saw, I already have. Total weight was probably about 100 pounds > including documentation. I did pick up the some of the docs and there > are duplicate Apple II and IIe manuals. > > The first three items may or may not be sold this weekend to someone > from Los Angeles. However, being here does give me an advantage :), so > if anyone is interested in anything here, let me know!

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Printers

by BigLouS＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-06-13 16:35:47 EDT, Ray Stricklin wrote: > I'm just curious, but what's special about the MX-80? The MX-80 was the first low cost RELIABLE dot matrix printer and made printing an affordable reality for we poor early micro users. The Paper Tiger was (to the best of my memory) the first low cost ($995, again to the best of my memory) micro dot matrix printer. Unfortunately it was NOT very reliable. BTW after my post on collecting printers I suddenly realized I have about 12 lying around so I guess I am sort of collecting them - but it's against my will. :-) Lou

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A trip back in time in Boston

by groberts＠mitre.org

Opens tomorrow. Should be fun!: "Boston, MA (May 23) - On June 14, 1997, The Computer Museum re-creates the dawn of the PC age through a lifesize reconstruction of a 1970s' hacker's garage and vintage personal computing artifacts. ... The Museum draws on artifacts from its rich collection, including an Apple I and Altair 8800, to recall the garages of 1970s' hobbyists who assembled "homebrew" computers ... Rich in period detail, the "garage" is cluttered with an oscilloscope, a ham radio, an old TV tube, 1970s' issues of Byte magazine, a drum set, a guitar and photos of Mick Jagger and the Beatles. The relics - including two early personal computers and two video games - recall a pivotal time when computers began to serve as consumer items ..." for the full article see: http://www.tcm.org/info/press/wpr-hgarage.html - glenn +=========================================================+ | Glenn F. Roberts, Falls Church, VA | Comments are my own and not the opinion of my employer | groberts(a)mitre.org

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FREE to good home!

by kyrrin＠wizards.net

Well, darn it, I tried, but I just can't get the silly thing to work! Ok... first volunteer who feels like visiting Kent, WA (yes, Bill, that's a big hint, especially since I CC'd you on this... <g>) can have this beast. It's an STC/StorageTek 9-track tape drive, model 2921. When working, it can do 1600 and 6250 (GCR), sits in a standard 19" rack, has a Pertec interface, and weighs about 100 lbs. or so. Notice I say 'when working.' I tried to get it to going, but it seems to have a sick CPU card. I kind of hate to get rid of it, but I need the space more than I do the drive and a new CPU card was quoted as being around $800 (yikes! My skylight blinds are going to cost that much!) Come to think of it, if anyone's got a working dual-density drive that they feel like getting rid of, I would love to know about it. ;-) Thanks in advance. E-mail or call me at (253) 639-9555 for details. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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IMSAI 8080

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 01:56 PM 6/13/97 -0700, you wrote: >Say someone had a nice, working IMSAI 8080 in decent condition. How >much, realistically, could one expect to sell this for? Haddock lists it at 150-225... (Values are for complete systems, with everything that came with it, but not boxes, and not nec. working.) >Victor 9000, working...how much? I paid $100 + tax for mine. Took me a while to find it, too. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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(fwd) Old System and Parts For Sale

by danjo＠xnet.com

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Printers

by chemif＠mbox.queen.it

While Isaac Davis wrote: Wait a minute, it was an Olivetti, but I can't remember the >> model. The coolest part was turning the lights off when it was printing and >> watching the sparks fly across the paper as it printed. That's a printer I >> would like to have again. At 21:28 12/06/97 -0600, Jeff wrote: >Y' know, I seems to me that some of these 'sparky' dot matrix >printers used aluminized "thermal" paper. No Jeff, this Olivetti "sparkling" system was different and was not using thermal-conductive (=aluminium) paper (at least the one I know); was a real DRY INK JET. The "bullet-shaped" cartridge was containing the DRY INK (a sort of TONER) and a high-voltage electric field was made between the rubber(but conductive) roll, and the head. In this way the particles of positive electrically charged toner is "aimed" to go against the negative charged roll, but in between there is the paper (common paper), so the electricity pass, but ink stay. >I used to have a stack of >old machine runs on such paper, and I remember certain cheesy >cash-registers using the same kind of paper tape (about 1981 or so . also this DRY system was widely used by Olivetti on desktop financial calculator (I have one working) and cash-registers I think that the system was good for those applications (fast,quite silent,working on common paper instead thermal and..yes,cool in the dark) but the problem was the powder spread all around the printing bay of the machine, so when bubble jet came out... Sorry for my instinctive and not-checked english. Ciao Riccardo ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Riccardo Romagnoli,collector of:CLASSIC COMPUTERS,TELETYPE UNITS,PHONE AND PHONECARDS I-47100 Forli'/Emilia-Romagna/Food Valley/ITALY Pager:DTMF PHONES=+39/16888(hear msg.and BEEP then 5130274*YOUR TEL. NUMBER* where*=asterisk key | for help visit http://www.tim.it/tldrin_eg/tlde03.html TELEX:551132 CHEMIF I ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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TI-99/4A Comments

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> Aha! YUV is something I recognize now. I believe this is what broadcast > professionals call component video. (Let's see if I'll be right one out of > two.) > > > The signals are transmitted this way in broadcast TV to ensure > > compatibility between colour and BW tellies. They are also the signals > > that would normally be sent to a TV (UHF or VHF) modulator from the > > computer, hence their presence on the video connector. > > Hmmm... any modulator I've ever worked on had a composite input. Is this > maybe more common in European systems? Hmm. I'm getting out of my depth at this point. I've not dealt in detail with many colour modulators but I recall the Sinclair Spectrum had YUV as opposed to RGB on its expansion port. The computer obviously uses RGB internally (although I don't see why one couldn't design a machine to do YUV instead!) and it has to be converted to YUV at some stage in the modulation process. My guess (no evidence to back this up) is that the more expensive modulators - the ones one is likely to be able to buy for one's own projects - accept composite, but many mass-producing manufacturers got away with a cheaper modulator by putting the conversion in the (custom) chip in the video circuitry. Philip.

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Kaypro 2 For sale

by pcoad＠crl.com

Found this in comp.os.cpm. It is on the wrong side of the country for me. --pec -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saved From The Dumpster Collection: http://www.crl.com/~pcoad/machines.html Reply-To: Stephen Griswold <stephen.griswold(a)CIRCUITCELLAR.COM> Sender: CPM-L Mailing List <CPM-L(a)VM.ITS.RPI.EDU> From: Stephen Griswold <stephen.griswold(a)CIRCUITCELLAR.COM> Organization: Micromint/Circuit Cellar, Inc. Subject: fwd: Kaypro 2 For sale Lines: 28 Xref: nnrp1.crl.com comp.os.cpm:15835 * Originally By: Calvin Krusen (Local BBS) * Originally To: All * Originally Re: Kaypro 2 For sale * Original Area: General Interest While cleaning the basement of the company I work for, I found a Kaypro 2 "portable" PC. Its blue with an integrated 5" green monitor and two 5-1/4" disk drives. On power up, it tries to boot >from one of the drives and displays a message on the display to insert system disk. I'm not looking for any money for it, just a good home. It weighs about 27 lbs, so you would have to pick up the shipping >from Warrington, PA (just outside Philadelphia). I'll give one week for responses then it goes in the trash. Email me direct at ckrusen(a)erols.com or call me at my place of work\ 215/343-6600 x122. Calvin Krusen +++++++++++++++++++++++ Director of Engineering MEECO Inc. Warrington, PA 18976 215/343-6600 x122 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-End forward-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 -- end of forwarded message --

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Computer History Assn of Calif.

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 07:47 PM 6/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >I noticed their web page and it looks like a pretty good collection! >One thing I didn't see there was information about how it got started, >who was involved, what kind of a group it is, etc. Can you help out and >fill in the blanks? Thanks! Okay, let me put in a disclaimer that a) I have a horrible memory and b) I'm not super involved in the day-to-day stuff (I've spent the last 2 years dealing with the passing of my mother and taking care of my father among other disasters -- the best thing in the last two years has been having to have my entire sewer system replaced because of tree roots completely clogging it.) (Oh, and a general disclaimer that I really don't know as much as people seem to think I do.) Anyway, what happened is Kip Crosby realized that much of our history was disappearing as companies tossed their old, non-pc systems in favor of Gateway 2000's et al. I think this came about because he replaced Brenda (his older, multi-user micro (IMS? something like that)) with PC's. Being a realist, however, he decided to concentrate on California computers only (A daunting task in and of itself). I think he hoped to see other orgs covering other areas in the future. I knew Kip from eons ago (early 80's) when we were on a couple of Fido BBS's. He rang me and a couple others up and we got together, tossed around the ideas. He got going on it, and I signed on as Secretary. I must admit, though, that I kinda left most of it in his capable hands. (I trust him to do it right.) The focus (from what I see) right now is research and the Analytical Engine (the magazine). Also, collecting/cataloging classic computers. Right now, the collection (which I'm pretty sure is not fully represented on the web pages) exists in a bunch of containers in San Jose. There are plans for a museum at some point, as well as exhibits. The coup d'grace (is that the right word?) for CHAC was saving the SDS 930 >from Colorado. This is a Mainframe built in (IIRC) 1963 here in California. It was then sent to Colorado for NASA? to use, and ended up doing something with Weather. It was in use up to a few years ago, and was going to be scrapped, but Kip worked his tail off to save it and bring it out here where it will become the centerpiece of the assn's displays. Hmmm... Perhaps I should pass this on to Kip himself before I pass on too much misinformation... 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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(fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Kai Kaltenbach said: > | And if we caught anybody throwing anything out we'd jump out >of the back > | of the van and beat them senseless (and then pick their stuff >out of the > | trash) > | LeS > >No need for violence... we'll just go to their house and throw out their >Pentium :) >Kai No... you've got that wrong... we'll go to their house and *steal* their Pentium, so that we can sell it on the black market for money to buy more classic computers with!!!! ;^> "Merch" -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.

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TI-99/4A Comments

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

In my previous message I wrote (re: meanings of video signals), > The other two signals are the quadrature components of chrominance. > They are derived from Y by subtracting red and blue, and are normally > called U and V (in some order). > > The colour telly receives U and V phase modulated onto a subcarrier (I > think). The hue control on American tellies sets the baseline against > which phase is measured here. (In Europe, the PAL system reverses the > phase each line, so any hue errors should cancel out) Before someone like Tony jumps down my throat, U and V are _amplitude_ modulated onto the subcarrier, in quadrature with one another. Thus the phase of the subcarrier gives the hue, and its amplitude the saturation. I hope you are not any more confused than before :-) Philip.

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(fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| And if we caught anybody throwing anything out we'd jump out of the back | of the van and beat them senseless (and then pick their stuff out of the | trash) | LeS No need for violence... we'll just go to their house and throw out their Pentium :) Kai

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IBM Transporter

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

You can find the info on http://www.research.ibm.com/quantuminfo/teleportation/ :) Kai > ---------- > From: Marvin[SMTP:marvin@rain.org] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 1997 10:10 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: IBM Transporter > > In looking at Bill's collection on the Web, I noticed a reference to > the > IBM Transporter. I found a card that had those words on it and am > curious what this thing is, what it does, is software required, etc. > Thanks. >

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Listservers...

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Bill: You have a great listserver here, and I'm glad I've subscribed. I'm going to assume (and yes, I know the consequences <g>) that advertising a special-interest listserve is o.k. provided it's within the realm of this list. Well, they are. I have started two listservers, one of which used to be *very* popular in it's heyday (which, unforch, has passed it seems) and the other solely because there wasn't one. The first is a replacement for Andrew Diller's Model 100/102/200 listserve, and one can subscribe by going to the web page at: http://home.northernway.net/~zmerch/signupform.html or sending an e-mail to m100-request(a)list.northernway.net with "subscribe" (no quotes) in the _Subject:_ of the message. To send messages to the list, e-mail m100(a)list.northernway.net. The second is my own creation, because there was no Tandy Model 600 listserver. It can be accessed thru it's web page at: http://home.northernway.net/~zmerch/signupm600.html or sending an e-mail to m600-request(a)list.northernway.net with "subscribe" (no quotes) in the _Subject:_ of the message. To send messages to the list, e-mail m600(a)list.northernway.net. I don't have to mention to anyone just how wonderful these lists can be for information... If you're interested in these machines, come on in and join the fun! Thanks for the bandwidth, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.

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5 1/2" Drives

by BigLouS＠aol.com

Thanks. Lou

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No New issues being received?

by classicjr＠juno.com

I haven't received any new issues of the Classic Computer mailings since June 7th. Is there anything wrong? This has happened before, maybe it's my mail provider. Should I sign off and re-register as a new member of the list?

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(fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)

by BigLouS＠aol.com

> At 09:24 AM 6/11/97 -0700, Sam wrote: > >On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, James Willing wrote: > > > >> Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to > develop > >> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are > >> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options. <snip> > >> Or am I just dreaming out loud? > > > >Not at all. This is a terrific idea! I nominate Bill Whitson to > >formulate this list :) I think that we should take this a little more seriously. I propose that we form regional SWAT teams. In the event of a classic computer crisis the nearest SWAT team would be dispatched. Ideally each team would be comprised of individuals who each had a separate area of expertise, i.e. Apple II, Coco, TI, etc. Rescued computers could then be placed in foster homes until caring, loving permanent homes could be found. :-) Lou

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Printers

by idavis＠comland.com

Here's one for the printer books. I had a printer for my atari 800 that we order out of the DAK catalog. It used a little cartridge shaped like a bullet with a contact on the end. The printer would fire a spark and actually burn the dots onto the paper to make the characters. It was relatively slow, but considering it had to make about 9 passes to form a row of characters it did pretty well. I can still remember the burning smell everytime you would print something out. It was really a neat little printer, and I can't for the life of me figure out why we got rid of it. I still have the driver disk for it, but the actual name of the thing escapes me right now. Wait a minute, it was an Olivetti, but I can't remember the model. The coolest part was turning the lights off when it was printing and watching the sparks fly across the paper as it printed. That's a printer I would like to have again. Isaac Davis | Don't throw out that old computer, idavis(a)comland.com | check out the Classic Computer Rescue List - indavis(a)juno.com | http://www.comland.com/~idavis/classic/classic.html

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REAL plug&play hardware

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 03:16 PM 6/12/97 -0800, you wrote: >I remember showing an undergraduate how it was possible to plug >a modem into a terminal and dial up to a shell account. He was >so amazed that the world had been easily fooled into thinking that you >need a computer to access the Internet :-) The San Francisco Public Library has terminals (DEC VT220's?) in every library. My girlfriend was impressed when I used Lynx to telnet to my account to check mail one day... 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Printers

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 04:20 PM 6/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >Here's one for the printer books. I had a printer for my atari 800 that we >order out of the DAK catalog. It used a little cartridge shaped like a >bullet with a contact on the end. The printer would fire a spark and >actually burn the dots onto the paper to make the characters. It was Actually, it was an InkJet... I think I still have some of the ink cartridges around somewhere. (I was paranoid that I might not be able to find more when I ran out, so I bought a whole bunch.) The sparks were to convince the ink to jump onto the page, I think. >me right now. Wait a minute, it was an Olivetti, but I can't remember the It was indeed an Olivetti, but I too have forgotten the model. >would like to have again. Me too. I remember demoing mine for ABACUS, the Atari Bay Area Computer Users Society. That thing is what made it possible for me to pass English in college! (I loathe the physical act of writing, so I never did any work, until I could type it up on my 600xl (and later, 800) and print it out.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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TI-99/4A Comments

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> > if anyone can shed some light on these, let us know): > > > > 1. "12v vid" > > 2. R-Y (colorburst clock) > > Red - (minus) Yellow > > > >3. Audio out > > >4. Y > > Yellow > > > >5. B-Y (ext video input?) > > Blue - yellow > > > >U. Ground > > Just a different way to send an 'RGB' signal. I'm not sure what the merit is > of sending it this way... any video techs out there? I'll cc this to one who > might know. Um... No. Sorry. Close though. Y is not yellow, i'm afraid. These signals derive from the way luminance and chrominance are handled in a telly. Y is intensity (luminance). It is made up of red, green and blue in the rough proportions that generate intensity in a human eye. This is the only part of the signal that a black and white telly (or greyscale monitor) would decode. The other two signals are the quadrature components of chrominance. They are derived from Y by subtracting red and blue, and are normally called U and V (in some order). The colour telly receives U and V phase modulated onto a subcarrier (I think). The hue control on American tellies sets the baseline against which phase is measured here. (In Europe, the PAL system reverses the phase each line, so any hue errors should cancel out) The signals are transmitted this way in broadcast TV to ensure compatibility between colour and BW tellies. They are also the signals that would normally be sent to a TV (UHF or VHF) modulator from the computer, hence their presence on the video connector. Hope this helps! I could be more specific if I had some of my reference books from home... Philip. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Philip Belben <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Bloedem Volke unverstaendlich treiben wir des Lebens Spiel. Grade das, was unabwendlich fruchtet unserm Spott als Ziel. Magst es Kinder-Rache nennen an des Daseins tiefem Ernst; Wirst das Leben besser kennen, wenn du uns verstehen lernst. Poem by Christian Morgenstern - Message by Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk

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CLASSICCMP digest 79

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

>From: Doug Spence <ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca> >Subject: C64 CP/M carts (was: Re: Yet another weekend haul story) >On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, George Lin wrote: >> At 11:24 PM 6/1/97 -0700, you wrote: >> ><...> >> >> accessories including a CP/M cartridge for C64 >> > >> >A CP/M _carthridge_? Awesome. >> >> I just tried it yesterday. Pretty cool. The Z80 is in the cartridge. The >> package comes with a CP/M 2.2 diskette for 1541 and a condensed CP/M manual >> by Commodore (copyright 1983). There is a K-Mart price tag on the original >> box that reads $54. Not bad. NOTE: the Commodore CP/M Cart is only usable on the oldest of the 64s (usually models with the 5-pin DIN plug for video. It would seem that when Commodore debugged some video problems they tweaked the system speed slightly which made the CP/M cartridge unusable. >This reminds me... I also have a Z80 cartridge for the C64. But it's not >the one from Commodore. It's from a company called DATA 20 Corporation. >I haven't been able to get it to work. It has what looks like a connector >for a power supply on the back, but I didn't get the PS with it. It also >came without any disks, though it did have a cassette in the box with it, >which says "Use side A for Commodore 64/Use side B for VIC 20". >It's a Z-80 Video Pak, that combines the Z80 processor AND an 80-column >display adapter into one (big fat) cartridge. Are you sure the plug isn't for some sort of video cable contraption? (the Data-20 carts usually sported an 80 column composite video output.) >To quote from the box: > The Z-80 Video Pak brings the convenience of an 80 column screen and > the power of a CP/M compatible operating system to the Commodore 64. > Designed to be used with a monitor, the Z-80 Video Pak lets the > Commodore 64 owner switch to a 40 or 80 column screen in black and > white, or back to the standard color screen. All switching is done > through software and no cables need to be moved. > The Z-80 Video Pak has its own Z-80 microprocessor and operating > system which allows the 64 to run CP/M software formatted for the > Commodore 1541 disk drive. A Terminal mode which brings communication > with central data bases is included at no extra cost. The Z-80 Video > Pak also supports the advanced screen handling features of all Video > Pak models such as erase to the end of line, erase to end of screen, > and dump screen to printer. >If anyone out there knows this thing's power requirements (AAAGH! Another >wall-wart!) and where to get CP/M disks in 1541 format, please tell. :) If there is power needed for it, I haven't seen anything mentioning requirements... yet. Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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TI99

by bwit＠pobox.com

>>True, that's bizarre... they appear to be especially common in the >>northwest. But just try to find a PEB! <snip> >The closer you get to Texas, the more abundant TI-99 stuff gets. So true! I worked for TI in Dallas at the time of the big selloff. I remember buying several consoles for $25, a PEB for $20, several monitors for $50, and catridges for $.50 each. All brand new in boxes. What a madhouse it was. Bob

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looking for info on tape drive

by allisonp＠world.std.com

slightly off but information needed. Cipher model st150s-II 6150? cartridge tape drive scsi interface. I need data on this jumpers commands anything. Allison

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Filling in the holes...

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 01:32 AM 6/12/97 -0400, you wrote: >- I'd like a MSX machine as well (never even seen one in anything other >than magazine articles) I *sorta* have an MSX machine. It was donated to ABACUS, the Atari Bay Area Computer Users Society, but isn't of much interest to the club. So it sits in my garage (or attic?). One of these days, I'll get around to making a suitable cash donation to the club and move it in with my collection. In the meantime, if anyone wants any info or anything, let me know and I'll dig it up... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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TI-99/4A Comments

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

The 99/4A DIN video pinout is (format in monospace for best readability): 3 1 5 4 2 where (and no, I didn't write these descriptions, they're pretty bizarre. I typed them verbatim; if anyone can shed some light on these, let us know): 1. "12v vid" 2. R-Y (colorburst clock) 3. Audio out 4. Y 5. B-Y (ext video input?) U. Ground Kai > ---------- > From: Cord Coslor[SMTP:coslor@pscosf.peru.edu] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 1:21 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: TI-99/4A Comments > > I have a question for you folks. I have a basic TI 99/4a.... that's > it. No > cables, no peripherals, no nothing with it. I am wanting to get this > machine up to operation and am looking for anything that you folks > might > have available. I have a large assortment of running machines in my > collection... TRS-80s, CoCo, Commodores, etc., etc., and would like to > add > this classic machine to my 'operational' collection. Can anyone help > me > out? > > Thanks in advance, > > CORD > > //*=================================================================== > ==++ > || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, > NE || > || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu > 68421-0308 || > || Classic computer software and hardware collector > || > || Autograph collector > || > ++==================================================================== > =*// > >

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pdp 11/34 headed for landfill

by groberts＠mitre.org

fyi, posted on comp.os.cpm ... - glenn A friend in a bit of a time bind will probably be sending a PDP 11/34 to the landfill very soon. If you want it, and probably a half dozen other assorted racks of minicomputers plus hundreds of reels of 1/2" tape, but NO S-100 stuff (you can probably guess who got THAT!) e-mail immediately....... stuff is located in Tucson, very close to I-10 sorry, no one available to pack it, but Amtrak does stop here....... and they shi[p stuff pretty cheap...... bill_h(a)azstarnet.com

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MSX comments.... (Re:)

by K.J.Whitehead＠massey.ac.nz

> | WoW! The more I hear about this thing the more I want one. >It's amazing > | that this system was so unknown in the states. It's like >discovering a > | whole new species. > >Yep, I was obviously thrilled when I ran into my Spectravideo 328 in its >original box, for $5 at a local thrift... > >Sorry Sam, didn't mean to gloat there. > >Did I mention it was accompanied by the cassette drive in its original >box too? > >Kai Me too...well not in original boxes but I do have one with monitor (TV+modulator?) disk drives, cassette deck,software,CPM 3 (?) etc that I got for eqiv US$12. The only thing is that it intermittantly resets itsself and I have not had a chance to look at ti since I got the thing, I also got a set of boards from a cromenco s100 system for nothing :-) 2 TRS80 model 3s (which I can hopefully get 1 working) $0 1 TRS80 model 4P (Repaired phase locked loop circuit in video) $0 1 Sinclair Z88 with MacLink ROM installed $4 1 Sinclair ZX 81 not going $0 2 Sinclair QL's with 1 mono monitor $0 1 Apple ][e with drives and UHF TV/Monitor $9 1 Kaypro 4 a couple of years back for $30 1 Kaypro 10 (fitted new HD ) for $0 1 ALTOS 8088 Unix based system supposedly in working condition (yet to try) $20 1 IBM PC $0 1 IBM XT $0 1 VT100 terminal $0 and soon to arrive is 2 TRS80 model 1 1 TRS80 model 3 1 TRS80 model 4D 1 Dicksmith Systems 80 1 Amstrad 464 1 Amstrad PCW8256 and I'm on the scent of Apple Lisa Amstrad PC Clone Amstrad monitor (suits the 464/664/6128) Commodore 64 Commodore PET Atari 800 Sinclair spectrum Sinclair ZX80 (kit set..maybe unbuilt !) PDP 11 (model unknown) Microvax (dead PSU) However I would like to acquire Jupiter Ace (forth based machine) Commodore SX64 Any Bondwell CPM machines Cheers and good hunting +----------- Keith Whitehead -----------+ | Physics and Chemistry Depts | | Massey University | | Palmerston North | | New Zealand | | | | Ph +64 6 350-5074 Fax +64 6 354-0207 | +------------------------------------------+

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TI99 (was Re: 8088s seattle comp.)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

True, that's bizarre... they appear to be especially common in the northwest. But just try to find a PEB! Kai > ---------- > From: Bill Whitson[SMTP:bill@booster.bothell.washington.edu] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Monday, June 09, 1997 3:52 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: TI99 (was Re: 8088s seattle comp.) > > > Not along the same topic but I'm curious - just how > popular was the TI99. From what I've seen scrounging > over the years it looks like it might have been the > most popular (or at least most numerous) micro ever made. > Now, I know that's not true. It's just strange - I > could go out this weekend and easily come home with 30- > 40 of these machines, wait a month or two and probably do > it again. There's one local junk store here that had > 11 of them lying around when last I checked. They're > like roaches ;). > > Bill >

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Classic Computer Rescue List

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> HOWEVER, like other posters to this list, I have a wife that "simply > doesn't understand the value of old computers" and am currently Ha! I am the wife! I control the... Well I don't have that problem other than a KI10 would be out of the question unless "just passing through". ;-) Allison

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Printers

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 03:20 PM 6/11/97 -0700, you wrote: >A printer is a printer, but since nobody really looks upon these as >collectible, they are the most likely to be overlooked or sent to the >scrap heap. A big problem is that they often weigh a lot and are a >burden to store. Nonetheless, I have recently started to collect the old The Computer History Association of California has printers in its collection, and (I think) is as interested in saving printers as anything else. P.S., I'll put in a plug for the CHAC here... Good org, great mag, everyone should join/subscribe. For more info, see <http://www.chac.org/>. (I am, btw, on the board of directors, but mostly I'm just handy for getting the container doors closed. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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REAL plug&play hardware

by jeffh＠unix.aardvarkol.com

I had my Atari 800 up and running again today, testing out my 1050 drive and such, and decided to toy with the Atari 1030 modem I have sitting here for it. I had forgotten how interesting an item it is. For those of you that aren't familiar with it, it's an external 300baud modem that plugs into the same general I/O ports as the Atari disk drives and such. You turn on the modem first, then the Atari 8bit, and the 8bit actually boots into a program called 'Modemlink', which is stored in ROM on the modem. No disks, cartridges or anything...just the computer and the modem! Modemlink is pretty basic, but it does autodial. Might be time to fire it up and try it again on one of the local C-64 BBS's running on the Color64 software still since they support 40 column mode. That certainly beats the heck out of the compatibility issues I had to deal with concerning terminal programs and BBS's on the PC with early 1200 and 2400 baud modems. Not to mention there's no setup. Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Apple II+, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Coleco ADAM, Commodore 128D, 16, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osborne Executive, Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, Model 4, and Model 4P, plus Odyssey2, Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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5 1/2" Drives

by BigLouS＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-06-11 02:45:42 EDT, you write: > Do any of you collectors > have a use for them or need them to complete a given machine? I certainly could use three or four. A lot of the older machines including the Kaypro 2's and IBM PC's and XT's came equipped with Tandon drives which were poorly made. As a result I have two or three machines sitting around that need 5 1/4" full height drive transplants. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Lou

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Atari 2600 questions

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 08:48 AM 6/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >Can't help with compatibility although the pinout for the Atari Joystick >is: > >Pin 1 - Forward >Pin 2 - Back >Pin 3 - Left >Pin 4 - Right >Pin 5 - No Connection >Pin 6 - Trigger >Pin 7 - No Connection >Pin 8 - Ground >Pin 9 - No Connection Because the Atari (same as commodore and others) joysticks are digital (on/off for each direction; done with simple switches) instead of analog (varying amount of each direction; done with potentiometers) like most PC joysticks, it is rather easy to build alternative input devices, whether it's something to stand on, or a bunch of buttons, or whatever. I think the other pins (5, 7, 9) were used for the paddles (which were analog devices.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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AuctionWeb (was: Free (maybe): Tandy 10 MB Drive Case)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

btw, there's also an interesting sounding doohickey up for bid: '84 Portable Personal Computer Sord IS-11C (item #xjw18405) Ends sunday the 15th, and there are 7 available. Anyone know anything about it? You can get to it at <http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=xjw18405>. Min bid is $25, though. AuctionWeb is a good place to find interesting things sometimes, especially early PC and just-before-pc stuff. (And I hate to tell people because that means more bidders which means higher bids...) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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looking for info on tape drive

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

That's a Cipher ST150. It's a old, generic (apart from being early SCSI) 150MB 1/4" SCSI tape drive. It's still supported by most backup software. Kai > ---------- > From: allisonp@world.std.com[SMTP:allisonp@world.std.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 1997 6:06 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: looking for info on tape drive > > slightly off but information needed. > > Cipher model st150s-II 6150? cartridge tape drive scsi interface. > > I need data on this jumpers commands anything. > > Allison >

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Classic Computer Collectors Index

by chemif＠mbox.queen.it

At 14:38 11/06/97 -0500, Issac Davis wrote: >I can see that we are going to inundate this list with our home locations. >I will go ahead and volunteer to keep the list, and put it up on my web >site. If you want to be added to this list, email me idavis(a)comland.com >with your name, city/area, and a way to contact you - email or phone. After >the list is compiled, I will put it on the web, and will be able to email it >to anyone involved. >Feel free to give me any contact information you want. I will only include what you tell me to. >Isaac Davis >idavis(a)comland.com >indavis(a)juno.com Hi, Isaac, really a very good idea. So here I am: NAME:Riccardo Romagnoli CITY/AREA:Forli'(FO)/Emilia Romagna/Italy WAY TO CONTACT ME:chemif@mbox.queen.it Fax:+39-(0)543-402190 Telex:551132 CHEMIF I (yes, the old 50 BAUD stuff!) RANGE:Emilia-Romagna region (Ev. North side of the "boot") MAIN AREA OF INTEREST:Mini's from 70's (esp. Texas DS990/x family);Micro;Olivetti;all kind teletypes machines from any age;Printers. I will be glad to exchange any information and documents I have (or search if needed) about classics coming from Italy. CIAO! ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Riccardo Romagnoli,collector of:CLASSIC COMPUTERS,TELETYPE UNITS,PHONE AND PHONECARDS I-47100 Forli'/Emilia-Romagna/Food Valley/ITALY Pager:DTMF PHONES=+39/16888(hear msg.and BEEP then 5130274*YOUR TEL. NUMBER* where*=asterisk key | for help visit http://www.tim.it/tldrin_eg/tlde03.html TELEX:551132 CHEMIF I ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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MSX comments.... (Re:)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| WoW! The more I hear about this thing the more I want one. It's amazing | that this system was so unknown in the states. It's like discovering a | whole new species. Yep, I was obviously thrilled when I ran into my Spectravideo 328 in its original box, for $5 at a local thrift... Sorry Sam, didn't mean to gloat there. Did I mention it was accompanied by the cassette drive in its original box too? Kai

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classic computer collector's index

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

somebody, i dont remember, put forth: >Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop >> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are >> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options. >> Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to >> pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want >> it. feel free to add me to the list. i'd be glad to go out and discover new finds and give the opportunity for others to get it before the scrapyard does. i've a truck and a 3 bedroom house, so storage is no problem! =D david

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Classic Computer Rescue List

by idavis＠comland.com

Ok, I have taken the info I got from today, and put it up on the web. Nothing fancy, and I haven't indexed it yet with any search engines. Take a look at it and let me know what you think, or if you want to change your information. The url is: http://www.comland.com/~idavis/classic/classic.html Any suggestions? Let me know and I will change it before we tell the rest of the world about it. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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(fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)

by dastar＠crl.com

My GOD! Has anyone seen this??? SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING! Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass ---------- Forwarded message ---------- here's the major info about the mini's now sitting under the Tucson sun, soon to be landfill...... PDP 11/34: two machines - one with 3 lights, 2 toggle switches and a rotary switch; one with a 4x5 keypad, rotary switch, and little digital display (led's?) PDP 11/35: full front panel with maybe 35 switches in a row across the bottom (sort of like an Imsai) Industrial 11 (in pieces) front panel looks something like 11/35, but in red and blue (even more like Imsai) RX02 pair of 8" disk drives in a box several assorted hard drives, rack mount, desk-top 14" (VERY heavy!), 9672-type CDC disk drive in cabinet, etc VAX 11/780 double-wide 5-1/2 foot high cabinet - can't get to the front so don't know if there's anybody home there..... Large rack mounted tape unit....about all I can tell is it's DEC Rack box (sitting on the ground) RK05f DEC Pack DECScope - looks sort of like a desk-top micro all-in-one keyboard/monitor several other DEC racks; many reels of tape; manuals; misc also many terminal/monitors I doubt this stuff will be around for more than a day or two..... bill_h(a)azstarnet.com -- Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Classic Computer Rescue List is Up.

by idavis＠comland.com

Hey everyone. There has been a great response to the list of people willing to go out of their way to pick up our beloved classics and save them from a fate worse than death. I have added all of the people that have requested it so far today, and did a little work on the page. I think it is ready for the general public to know about. There wasn't a single complaint about any part, so I think that's a thumbs up. I will be getting it listed in the major search engines on the web, so maybe we can get some real results from it soon. I am currently in the process of attempting to get a couple of pdp8's, and am working on arrangements to store them for a fellow classic computer list subscriber until he can pick them up. Exactly what this list is all about. Comments are more than welcome, and let me know if you want to be on the list. http://www.comland.com/~idavis/classic/classic.html Isaac Davis | Don't throw out that old computer, idavis(a)comland.com | check out the Classic Computer Rescue List - indavis(a)juno.com | http://www.comland.com/~idavis/classic/classic.html

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Atari 800 Atari Artist cart?

by coslor＠pscosf.peru.edu

Howdy: Does anyone out there have the old Atari 800LX Atari Artist cartridge? It is catalog # RX8053. Please let me know as I have been looking for it for some time. Thanks, CORD COSLOR Archive Software //*=====================================================================++ || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE || || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 || || Classic computer software and hardware collector || || Autograph collector || ++=====================================================================*//

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Atari 2600 questions

by MPritchard＠ensemble.net

> > PS I've been having a little surf trying to find this info, and in > my > > travels came across a site that has a 2600 emulator for download on > > various platforms! It's at > > <http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ahornby/v2600.html> > > >You should also be able to find a site whereby you can order a > joystick > >from. There are probably a couple places in Europe. > > From my investigations, new joysticks for the 2600/etc are getting a > might hard to come by. From what I can tell, no one is making them > anymore. I do know that Video 61 has them. > > -Matt Pritchard > > >

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Tandy 600

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Kai Kaltenbach said: >Actually the Tandy 600 was a 1989 concoction. It looks like an early >Toshiba laptop, with flip-up narrow LCD display. It has Multiplan, a >subset of MS Word, a built-in modem, 360K 3.5" drive, 80x16 display, and >sold for $999. I passed up one of these at a swap meet a few weeks ago. > >Kai <MODE GOOFY=ON> Nee-ner-nee-ner-neeeee-ner!!! I finally know something that Kai doesn't!!! ;^> </MODE> Sorry, but *my* T600 was built in September of 1985! AAMAF, I have a 1989 sale flyer yet that shows the T600 in "where-is-as-is" status, for the same $$$ or cheaper than the T200. (one of which I also have!) Processor was an 80c88 and standard memory was 32K (which was close to useless, from what I hear. Mine came with 128K, so I wouldn't know.) which was expanded with up to 2 banks of 96K. Yes, the floppy was 360K, as it was single-sided with double-density. Power: 4 internal D-sized nicads giving 11 hours use with no floppy activity. Files are stored in RAM (like the 100/200/102/NEC 8201A/Olivetti M10/etc.) and can be copied to floppy using the copy command. More questions? You can ask me or the list, with the details below. There is an FTP site for the Tandy 600 at: ftp://ftp.northernway.net/Tandy600/ and there is a listserve dedicated to the Tandy 600. To find out more about the listserve, send a message to: m600-request(a)list.northernway.net with the word "info" or "help" in the subject. To subscribe, send a message to: m600-request(a)list.northernway.net with the word "sub" or "subscribe" in the subject. To post a message to the listserve, send a message to: m600(a)list.northernway.net and it will automatically go to several people (always looking for more, folks!) including a man named Larry Kollar, who wrote and maintains a Tandy 600 FAQ. URL for the FAQ: http://www.nyx.net/~lekollar/t600/t600faq.html Hope this helps! Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.

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Atari 2600 questions

by nickc＠ladyland.demon.co.uk

Hi all... I just picked up an Atari 2600 with 3 catridges but there's no power supply or joysticks. I'm not complaining though, as it only cost 5 Pounds from from a charity shop here in London! So, the predictable question is what are the specs for the power supply? (i.e. voltage, current and polarity of what appears to be a 3.5" jack). Also can i use the joysticks from a ZX Spectrum or TI-99/4A with it? If not, can anyone give me details of the pin-out so i can wire up my own? TIA...Nick. PS I've been having a little surf trying to find this info, and in my travels came across a site that has a 2600 emulator for download on various platforms! It's at <http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ahornby/v2600.html> -- Nick Challoner nickc(a)ladyland.demon.co.uk Aviation photographs at: http://www.ladyland.demon.co.uk "Bother" said Pooh, as he deleted his root directory.

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Another one to be rescued?

by idavis＠comland.com

At 08:51 AM 6/12/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Oh yea, I should mention the last time this thing was fired up about >5-7 years ago it had some sort of problem with it staying powered up >or something. They where not able to get the data off their disks. >Other then that I don't know anymore details. The original owners of >this thing was Robert Mueler(sp?) Airport(ATC at its best). > >--- > >So, anyone in the Austin, TX area want to grab this one either for their >collection, or for holding while it seeks a home? > >-jim >--- >jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com >The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw >Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174 > > Jim, I have already emailed Micah, and am waiting for a response. Here a conincidence for you. My dad works for the FAA, at Robert Mueller as the Radar Technician. If I get this, I will see if he knows about it. I will let everyone know how it goes. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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Another one to be rescued?

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:38:43 GMT From: Micah Voiers <micah1(a)flash.net> Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp8 Subject: FS: pdp 8 I have what I think are 2 pdp 8(a I think) I see two omni hex processor boards, 2 rko 5 drives( one has some rust on one side), two case things with power supply, 4 or 5 memory boards a few controllers, 1 face plate. FREE, OBO. The pdp is in Austin, I am in Ft Worth, Texas. I would rather not haul this thing up here. I won't ship it cause that would seem like a major pain in the neck., unless ya pay, a lot. Also got about 10 trs-80 model 3's. I would like to keep this for historical sake but it is heavy and takes up a lot of space. Let me know micah1(a)flash.net Oh yea, I should mention the last time this thing was fired up about 5-7 years ago it had some sort of problem with it staying powered up or something. They where not able to get the data off their disks. Other then that I don't know anymore details. The original owners of this thing was Robert Mueler(sp?) Airport(ATC at its best). --- So, anyone in the Austin, TX area want to grab this one either for their collection, or for holding while it seeks a home? -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Atari 2600 questions

by thedm＠sunflower.com

The joysticks, for the c64, atari2600, atari 400,800,1200 series of computers are all identical. Any joystick that is rated for these machines will work just fine. I'll have to double check, but im pretty positive the power is 9vDC around 300mv, possibly up to 500mv, not sure. ---------- > From: Nick Challoner <nickc(a)ladyland.demon.co.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Atari 2600 questions > Date: Thursday, June 12, 1997 8:01 AM > > Hi all... > > I just picked up an Atari 2600 with 3 catridges but there's no power > supply or joysticks. I'm not complaining though, as it only cost 5 > Pounds from from a charity shop here in London! > > So, the predictable question is what are the specs > for the power supply? (i.e. voltage, current and polarity of what > appears to be a 3.5" jack). > > Also can i use the joysticks from a ZX Spectrum or TI-99/4A with it? > If not, can anyone give me details of the pin-out so i can wire up my > own? > > TIA...Nick. > > PS I've been having a little surf trying to find this info, and in my > travels came across a site that has a 2600 emulator for download on > various platforms! It's at > <http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ahornby/v2600.html> > > -- > Nick Challoner nickc(a)ladyland.demon.co.uk > Aviation photographs at: http://www.ladyland.demon.co.uk > "Bother" said Pooh, as he deleted his root directory.

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Classic Computer Collectors Index

by idavis＠comland.com

I can see that we are going to inundate this list with our home locations. I will go ahead and volunteer to keep the list, and put it up on my web site. If you want to be added to this list, email me idavis(a)comland.com with your name, city/area, and a way to contact you - email or phone. After the list is compiled, I will put it on the web, and will be able to email it to anyone involved. Maybe I can try and get some outside exposure with web search engines to help people outside of this list to be able to contact us before they take their "junk" to the landfill. Feel free to give me any contact information you want. I will only include what you tell me to. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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Free (maybe): Tandy 10 MB Drive Case

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

Hey! I put an old 10 MB hard drive case on AuctionWeb last week. Nobody is bidding on it so if it doesn't sell, it's free. It's just a white case with a fan and power supply. A really nice guy wrote and offered the drive that goes in it for shipping only (see bottom of message). Auction ends tomorrow-hurry! Here's what you do, go to the auction link: http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=dkq99203 Bid $1. If nobody outbids you, it's yours for shipping only. Just remind me if I don't recognize your email address. Shipping should be less than $5. You could do the whole thing for less than $10. Worth it? I dunno. ? By the way, there's an Imagewriter I that's only up to $3+shipping at: http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=qpa201 ? And a cool like new thermal printer for laptops (circa 1984) at: http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=yrk8174 ? And I have a few C-64's and 1541 drives that are dead. Free + shipping if anyone's interested. Oh and a Okimate 10 printer that's laying around too. *** The guy with the drive that goes in it is: > Subject: tandy hd case > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 21:03:20 PDT > From: "Roger LaPointe" <eldens(a)concentric.net> > To: gmast(a)oboe.aix.calpoly.edu > > > I've got a 10 meg hd (tandon) that came in one of the cases. > > if you can use it, you can have it for the actual ups costs. ($3 or $4 ???) > it just sits on the shelf, and I hated to throw it away (along with all the > Seagate ST-225's) > > thanx Roger > >

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Power cable for Cromemco

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Hi all, I'm looking for a power cable for my Cromemco System 3. It's kind of a bizarre cable. The recessed male panel jack is a flattened oval, 1" by 1/2", with 3 conductors. The center ground pin is very slightly offset >from the other two pins. Any thoughts where I can get one of these? thanks Kai

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new stuff

by dastar＠crl.com

I couldn't resist going into a favorite thrift store today, and boy what a find I made. First there's the Tandy 1000EX. Cool, but definitely not as cool as the Burroughs adding machine! I have no idea what year this thing is from, but it's case is made of a steel frame with glass sides so you can see the mechanisms inside. I don't know how much it's worth, but I picked it up for $50. This thing is heavy (about 50-60lbs). I love it! I'm going to make it the centerpiece of my in-home museum (someday). Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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VideoText

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

A friend of mine had a TV set in 1986 that had VideoTex built-in. It was actually pretty cool as I recall. Kai

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TDP-100 (was: cocos and stuff)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 04:25 PM 6/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >Somewhere in the back of my head I had the idea that a TDP-100 >was a Coco with added serial hardware included so that Radio >Shack could sell it as a color video terminal. Does anyone >else remember this, or am I completely out of my mind? They did sell a "VideoTex" terminal that sure looked like a coco. Sold it for use with CompuServe, (among others,) as I recall. Perhaps this is what you're thinking of? --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Contact List

by marvin＠rain.org

Hi Issac, thanks for volunteering to maintain the list! I think this is a wonderful idea and one that will help us all. Marvin Johnston marvin(a)rain.org (805) 6897-8881 Santa Barbara, CA Primary Interest: Early Microcomputers from the 70's and associated documentation.

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Power cable for Cromemco

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Found one! Vetco here in Bellevue had a box of 'em... at the usurious price of $9.50, but what can ya do? At least I picked up some interesting 8-bit ISA cards for $1-$4 apiece, namely: - Silicon Valley ADP50 (IDE drives in PCs!) - Kaypro NEC V20 accelerator/Z80 emulator card - Kraft dual joystick adapter - Ad Lib sound card Kai > ---------- > From: James Willing[SMTP:jimw@agora.rdrop.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 4:48 PM > To: Kai Kaltenbach > Cc: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Power cable for Cromemco > > On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Kai Kaltenbach wrote: > > > I'm looking for a power cable for my Cromemco System 3. It's kind > of a > > bizarre cable. The recessed male panel jack is a flattened oval, 1" > by > > 1/2", with 3 conductors. The center ground pin is very slightly > offset > > from the other two pins. > > > > Any thoughts where I can get one of these? > > Actually, not too odd at all. Don't know about currently (as I've not > looked for a while) but these used to be quite common on office > equipment. > > And... (if you did not see this coming) I think I have a spare or two > around... (gotta turn over *all* of those rocks!) > > Bad ASCII art warning! > > /-------------\ > | O O | > | O | > \-------------/ > > Looks something (nothing?) like this? eh? > > If you don't turn one up local, let me know and I'll try to find one > to > send along with the other stuff... > > -jim > --- > jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com > The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw > Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174 >

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(fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

>Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop >a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are >when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options. >Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to >pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want An excellent idea! Sign me up! Hmm... what info? Name, location, collecting interests, etc? Uncle Roger San Francisco All computers, especially portables. <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net> or <sinasohn(a)crl.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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(fwd) CP/M Hardware For Sale (fwd)

by dastar＠crl.com

One more...hope this doesn't get annoying. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I have the following CP/M hardware for sale: ************************* K10 ****************************** Kaypro 10 v1.9E (1983?) Boots: KAYPRO 60K CP/M Version 2.2H Occasionally returns BDOS errors when writing to the hard drive. I suspect it needs to be replaced (but maybe a good low-level format would help?) Does not have system disks (I bought it "as-is" with system installed on the hard drive). I do, however, have a copy of of the Kaypro Technical manual (the real McCoy, used by the technicians...) and the padded carrying case. Will sell all three and ship anywhere in the lower 48 for $70. ************************** K4 ****************************** Kaypro 4 (semi-cannabalized) System was plugged in when a lighting strike hit power lines System no longer sees the keyboard -- the keyboard is good and worked on another Kaypro. As I recall, the following subsystems are still good: keyboard, monitor, 2 half-height diskette drives, and most of the motherboard. (no pwr supply) Will sell and ship anywhere in the lower 48 for $35. Send email to: 72530.1626(a)compuserve.com If you're conveniently located in the Southeast Michigan area or Northwest Ohio (or willing to drive there), we can set up a local pickup and dispense with the hassle and expense of shipping. Thank you. From: David Venzke Compuserve: 72530,1626 Internet: 72530.1626(a)compuserve.com -- Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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(fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I would be happy to help in this collection, I am in Lawrence KS, USA ---------- > From: e.tedeschi <e.tedeschi(a)ndirect.co.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: (fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd) > Date: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 1:23 PM > > Isaac Davis wrote: > > > > At 09:24 AM 6/11/97 -0700, Sam wrote: > > >On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, James Willing wrote: > > > > > >> Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop > > >> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are > > >> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options. > > >> Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to > > >> pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want > > >> it. > > >> > > >> Or am I just dreaming out loud? > > > > > >Not at all. This is a terrific idea! I nominate Bill Whitson to > > >formulate this list :) > > > > > > > > >Sam > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > > > > I agree completely. I would be willing to go pick up stuff headed for the > > dump and hold it till someone could make space for it. My house only has > > room for a small select few computers, but I could make room in storage > > until shipping could be arranged. We ought to make this like a Mr. (or Ms.) > > Rescue for classics. When the list is started, put me down for the Austin, > > TX area. > > Isaac Davis > > idavis(a)comland.com > > indavis(a)juno.com > > OK, put me down for southern England (UK) > > enrico > -- > ================================================================ > Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K. > tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile > website <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi> > ================================================================ > visit Brighton: <http://www.brighton.co.uk/tourist/welcome.htm>

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(fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)

by e.tedeschi＠ndirect.co.uk

Isaac Davis wrote: > > At 09:24 AM 6/11/97 -0700, Sam wrote: > >On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, James Willing wrote: > > > >> Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop > >> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are > >> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options. > >> Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to > >> pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want > >> it. > >> > >> Or am I just dreaming out loud? > > > >Not at all. This is a terrific idea! I nominate Bill Whitson to > >formulate this list :) > > > > > >Sam > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > > I agree completely. I would be willing to go pick up stuff headed for the > dump and hold it till someone could make space for it. My house only has > room for a small select few computers, but I could make room in storage > until shipping could be arranged. We ought to make this like a Mr. (or Ms.) > Rescue for classics. When the list is started, put me down for the Austin, > TX area. > Isaac Davis > idavis(a)comland.com > indavis(a)juno.com OK, put me down for southern England (UK) enrico -- ================================================================ Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K. tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile website <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi> ================================================================ visit Brighton: <http://www.brighton.co.uk/tourist/welcome.htm>

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Printers

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I personally would like a printer for every machine in my system if one was made for it and it works. Sinclair1500, Atari, 400,800xl, 1200xl, C64, TandyColor/2 Tandy Model4, and almost every apple made. ---------- > From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Printers > Date: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 12:36 PM > > Along the lines of saving stuff, does anyone collect the old printers? > I have several including the SWTP 40 column printer, the usual > assortment of Tandy and CBM printers, a couple of DecWriters (LA36), an > early Centronics, a number of daisy wheel printers, and my newest > addition, an ASR 33. But I also run into quite a few (usually free) > that I don't have the room or inclination to store. I would guess that > most of the older printers will head for the dump with few people > caring, but then again ...

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4004

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

I know where you can get a BioRythm, but not if you want to pull the chip out... Kai > ---------- > From: Marvin[SMTP:marvin@rain.org] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 4:49 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: 4004 > > e.tedeschi wrote: > > > > Please have a look at my collection at: > > > > <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi/homecomp.htm> > > > > I just took a look ... VERY nice! How long has the museum been in > existence and how long have you been collecting? > > > I am looking for a 4004 microprocessor. Also for an 8008. Does > anybody > > know of one going for sale? I will pay cash or have many British > > computers for trade/swap. > > > > One of the early arcade "games", a unit called BioRhythm" used the > 4004 > as the processor. Wish I hadn't gotten rid of them all now! I don't > know if they were exported your way or not. >

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(fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)

by bwit＠pobox.com

>Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to >develop a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where >others are when things like this pop up so that we could have some local >options. Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be >able to pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone >who did want it. This seems like an excellent suggestion. Put me down for Dallas/Fort Worth, TX. USA. Regards, Bob

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cocos and stuff

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> > RS published a technical manual for the color computer; I have a copy of > > somewhere. HOWEVER I found there's an app note from Motorola with schema > > that almost exactly match those in the RS technical manual. I don't reca > > whether it was a 6809 app note or a 6847 app note though. If you can fin > > set of old Motorola data books you may be able to find it. > > It's probably a 6883 (SAM) app note, isn't it? I don't have the app note but I do have the data book and it has a partial of what the coco1 might have been. Allison

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4004

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 03:05 AM 6/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, The grey/beige HP terminal with heavy keyboard that have >black and white "squashed" monitor shaped does have this 8008 chip >in one of its "card". Accessible by tripping two catches between the If you're speaking of the venerable HP2645 terminal, I know it had a Z80 in it. (And some people did rig it up as a crude CP/M machine.) Dunno about the 8008 though... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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(fwd) CP/M Hardware For Sale (fwd)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 11:17 PM 6/10/97 -0700, you wrote: >One more...hope this doesn't get annoying. Nope, just frustrating -- none of them are near me! 8^( --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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(fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)

by idavis＠comland.com

At 09:24 AM 6/11/97 -0700, Sam wrote: >On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, James Willing wrote: > >> Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop >> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are >> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options. >> Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to >> pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want >> it. >> >> Or am I just dreaming out loud? > >Not at all. This is a terrific idea! I nominate Bill Whitson to >formulate this list :) > > >Sam >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > I agree completely. I would be willing to go pick up stuff headed for the dump and hold it till someone could make space for it. My house only has room for a small select few computers, but I could make room in storage until shipping could be arranged. We ought to make this like a Mr. (or Ms.) Rescue for classics. When the list is started, put me down for the Austin, TX area. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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TI-99/4A Comments

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 01:59 PM 6/10/97 -0700, you wrote: >> << EVERYONE knows that MY COMMODORE 64 is WAY better than YOUR APPLE! >> > >It's hard to have holy wars like the old days when you now own all the >machines you used to make fun of. Actually, it's easier! You can argue with yourself! (Hint: don't do this on the bus; people look at you funny.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Reminder: electronics/junk/computer sale June 14

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 01:31 PM 6/10/97 -0700, you wrote: > >This is a reminder for those in the San Francisco Bay area that >on June 14 in Mountain View, there will be an junk/electronics sale. Thanks for the reminder! I've missed the last one (or two?) and would have missed this one otherwise. >There will likely be a small get together (two people so far). Anyone who >is interested in the get together let me know. There is a pretty good As of right now, the only thing on my calendar for Saturday is Flag day (and I don't own a flag.) If I can keep that open, and convince my girlfriend and/or my dad they'd enjoy it, I'll be there. (hmmm... Add to Friday's to do list: Rob Bank) Let me know details... Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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CLASSICCMP digest 79

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

>Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:47:56 -0700 (PDT) >From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> >Subject: C64 thingy >I picked up a Commodore 64 a while ago that had this special board >inside. It was inserted between the keyboard and the motherboard. IE. >it had a connector that plugged into the keyboard rolex connector on the >motherboard and then the keyboard ribbon cable plugged into it. Then it >had a 9-pin male D-type connector than came out the back of the C64. My >guess is that it was for a numeric keypad or something. I forgot what >was stamped on the circuit board. Any ideas? Sounds like a keypad connector to me, I think it may be a Cardco keypad (there I think was an option to plug it into the joystick port and interface it via software. I have some other brand which uses a DIP connector (like old apple paddle/joysticks), unfortunately I do not have the 64 with the interface board though. Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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cocos and stuff

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> The smaller is the TRS80 color computer with real keys on the keyboard. > I have two of these one the case was wiped out, board is ok. > >Lacking docs I presume these have rom Basic. What expansion is possible >(there is a port) and how hard. Do they run any real OSs or some TRShack? RS sold OS/9 for the color computer. I don't know what models are required to run it. >What's the odds of finding DOCS especially schematics? RS published a technical manual for the color computer; I have a copy of it somewhere. HOWEVER I found there's an app note from Motorola with schematics that almost exactly match those in the RS technical manual. I don't recall whether it was a 6809 app note or a 6847 app note though. If you can find a set of old Motorola data books you may be able to find it. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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4004

by e.tedeschi＠ndirect.co.uk

Please have a look at my collection at: <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi/homecomp.htm> I am looking for a 4004 microprocessor. Also for an 8008. Does anybody know of one going for sale? I will pay cash or have many British computers for trade/swap. Thanks enrico -- ================================================================ Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K. tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile website <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi> ================================================================ visit Brighton: <http://www.brighton.co.uk/tourist/welcome.htm>

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cocos and stuff

by allisonp＠world.std.com

HI, In my non-op list of equipment I have three cocos apparently operational. They are of two different styles. The smaller is the TRS80 color computer with real keys on the keyboard. I have two of these one the case was wiped out, board is ok. The larger is TDP-100 personal color computer with chiclet keys. Lacking docs I presume these have rom Basic. What expansion is possible (there is a port) and how hard. Do they run any real OSs or some TRShack? What's the odds of finding DOCS especially schematics? I have a xt class machine with an Intel Inboard386...(works too!) what's the odds of finding schemtics or expansion ram for it? The 1meg of ram is tight for somne stuff. Currently I use it as a 10x faster xt. Allison

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Scanner/Dig Cam/Camcorder?

by idavis＠comland.com

>>DigCam: + Easy to use, convenient >> - Expensive to buy, somewhat limited capacity, >> no hard copy of images (except printer output) > >>Photo/Scanner: + Hard Copy, can be used for other stuff too >> - Film and Developing can be expensive, takes time > >>Camcorder: + Easy to use, Allows for selecting the right image >> from several views >> - Video capture hardware/software isn't cheap > Well, I guess it's time to put my two cents in. I own a Kodak DC20 digital camera, and a handheld color scanner. The digital camera is the basic model, no frills. It holds 8 hi res pics, and 16 low res pics. As far as quality goes, it really depends on the lighting conditions and the distance that you are going to be shooting at. It can get some incredible pictures, but it does have it share of bad ones. As far as taking pictures of our computers, it is great for taking good desriptive pictures (here's my pdp 11...) If you wanted to take a picture of a circuit board and be able to make out the chip numbers and wiring, forget it. It has decent resolution, but nothing like a scanner and a 35mm photo, and the light has to be right with this camera, since there is no flash (yet). I usually save the pictures in jpeg format, and each hi-res picture is about 25-35k. Not too bad on the storage side. My handheld color scanner is absolutely great. Unfortunately, I am always wanting to scan something in 1" wider than the scanner, which makes it a real pain even with great picture editing software. I would really recommend a flatbed scanner, but you might as well grab another hard drive while you are at it. Those color hi-res pictures take up more space than it took to put a man on the moon. Also, as a side note, it takes about 55 seconds to warm up the bulb on the color scanner. It's not a major gripe, just an inconvenience. Bottom line: My suggestion is - If you are looking to take pictures of your collection (for personal or insurance reasons) and store them in a safe, and take a buch of cheap pictures of your kids, go with the digital camera. If you are looking to scan in boards and pieces of equipment, and are looking for extreme detail, I would go with the scanner. I find that having both is really convenient, and I can pretty much get the results that I am looking for and not be dissappointed with either. If I only owned one of them, I could definitely see times when I would not be happy with the results. As for the Camcorder products, those are next on my list. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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cocos and stuff

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Color Computer 2: White, 4K-64K One is definatly a coco2 with 64k. no question. > Color Computer 3: White, 64K-128K I suspect the board I have is one of these with 128k (four 41464s) and a lot of the logic is on an ASIC. > I've never heard of a TDP-100. The Color Computers had ROM BASIC and TDP is TANDY DATA PRODUCTS when tandy was trying to seperate from the Radiocrap idea in the early 80s. TDP-100 It's coco 6809, cart port and configureable for 16 or 64k. This one has 64k I suspect it's the COCO-1 but case color is white and black and keyboard is chicklet style. Has all the joystick connectors and the like. It's design is lots of chips compared to the other two I suspect early design. Also it's serial number 0000038! It also has lots of mods. The inboard386/pc and inboard386/at are similar save for one is designed to replace the 8088 and is 8-bit ISA and the other the 286 with 16bit ISA. The /PC version has 1mb of ram but with more (4mb) I could use it as a slow (it's 16mhz) linux box. A schematic of the connector for the ram expansion would be useful, I can hack my own board. The PC version cannot use the motherboard ram as far as I can see in the book and even if it could I need more. Allison

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TI-99/4A Comments

by BNICALEK＠aol.com

To clarify some statements that have already been made on the TI-99/4A, I'd like to comment: << True, that's bizarre... they appear to be especially common in the northwest. But just try to find a PEB! >> There were approximately 1+ million consoles manufactured by Texas Instruments from 1981 through early 1984. There were also approximately 250,000 Peripheral Expansion Systems also manufactured. So, while it's true there were more consoles, PEB's are not hard to find. << What I need is the Speech Editor cartridge! >> To Jeff Hellige - these are little rare to find, but are still available. I got mine for around $20 from someone in California. But, you can call up any vendor and get them from around $25-30, due to their rarity. << Personally, my opinion of the TI-99/4a varies from stupid piece of shit to semi-decent machine. Today I feel like stupid piece of shit. It was almost completely closed, it's BASIC sucked and was slow, it's keyboard sucked, and if it wasn't for the hordes of TI-99 faithfuls it would've been just a footnote. I don't understand what the big attraction was, but then, I came from the world of Apple ][, to which nothing could compare (uh oh, here come the holy wars). >> To Sam -- The TI-99/4A, in my opinion, is at the very least a semi-decent machine. The BASIC interpreter is what slowed things down a bit, but you have to look at it from a different perspective - no PEEKs or POKEs just to program graphics and/or sound, like some other machines (no, I'm good enough not to mention any names). The keyboard did "suck" compared to that of a PC, but it was very simple - especially suited towards children. From my own experience, I found the keyboard easy to use compared to a Commodore 64 - the touch response was better. The big attraction came from the fact that it was 16-bit, had full color, sprites (smoothly-moving objects), excellent speech synthesis, easy to use cartridges, and expandability. Some of the games were amazing (like Parsec and Alpiner) - way ahead of its time. And you can do word processing and spreadsheets with it as well. << Even the original PC was really bad, mostly closed design. They were all noteable as it told marketers what would fly and what had to be there. Amusingly the ti has what every P5 box has today, graphics, sound, games so they weren't that far off <in a perverse sort of way>. >> Allison -- I couldn't agree with you more. The TI-99/4A was an amazing machine when you look back at all the components and features it had. It's still easier than my P120 I'm using to type this message - as there's no icons to click, no finagling around to get where you need to go or to do this. Just press 2 keys and you're in the program with the TI. Now that I call ease-of-use! << EVERYONE knows that MY COMMODORE 64 is WAY better than YOUR APPLE! >> To Les -- Yes, the Commodore 64 IS better than the Apple - I must admit! --------------------- And to Bill and others -- So you can begin to see with all these replies that people at least knew about the TI-99/4A and its positives/negatives. But that's to go with any machine. It's about what you learned on, and what you grew up with. In my case, this is the computer I learned on, and I'll stick with it forever because once you get used to one thing, it's hard to change sometimes. Same goes I'm sure for everyone else on this list server. The TI-99/4A was one of the most popular computers ever made back in the early 80's. Again, 1 million consoles gives you a hint. And, I'll tell you why they're like roaches sitting around -- most people bought them for around $50-100 when TI was going out of business (late 1983 into early 1984), played a few games on them, and then said, "I'm done!". Instead of throwing them in the garbage, they thought they were worth something, and now you see them all around in thrift stores. I even went to a local fair around town last year and picked one up for $5! But remember, for these people, that's all they wanted to do with this computer. But for those that were serious, you could do much, much more with it! Bryan Nicalek bnicalek(a)aol.com

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4004

by fmc＠reanimators.org

jpero(a)mail.cgo.wave.ca writes: > Hi, The grey/beige HP terminal with heavy keyboard that have > black and white "squashed" monitor shaped does have this 8008 chip > in one of its "card". Accessible by tripping two catches between the > shells to hinge up the monitor to reveal the cards in bottom case > part. What you're writing about is the HP 264X line of terminals. They don't all use 8008 CPUs. The 2640s do, but I'm sure the 2645s use 8080s (and think the 2641, 2644, 2648A do too), and the 2647F uses some proprietary HP CPU. Not sure about 2642, 2647A, or the 2649s which are customized for specific applications, e.g. there was a flavor of 2649 used as the system console for HP 3000/33 minis. Fun terminals. I could go on for a while about them. The 2640s and 2641/4/5s have a facility allowing the downloading of code from the host. Somewhere around here I have a Space Invaders game and a Pac-Man game that run in the 2645s, and have heard of a driving game. Also have heard that some folks in the Gaithersburg, MD area turned a 2645 into some sort of BBS some years ago. The "two catches" are hidden. Look on the case left and right sides, you will see horizontal slots between the base and the CRT housing. Inside those horizontal slots, a couple of inches back from the front, are vertical slots. The object is to stick a "terminal key" (basically a thin flat piece of metal, but a stiff paperclip can be made to serve) into those slots to push open the catches that are at the top of the slots. While pushing, lift the CRT housing. If like most of us you have no more than two hands (and only one key) you may find it convenient to do one side at a time, which is OK. -Frank McConnell

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WANT TO BUY YOUR OLD-ASSED COMPUTERS!

by dastar＠crl.com

I want your old microcomputers from the 70s and 80s. I do NOT want any common PC clone. I am looking mainly for stuff that doesn't exist in any way shape or form today. I am looking for rarer models, as I already own most of the more common micros of the early micro-revolution. Please e-mail me at dastar(a)crl.com with what you got and we can work out a deal. Thanks. ---END USENET MESSAGE--- So this guy, Gary, responds and tells me he has an IMSAI 8080 and a Victor 9000 he wouldn't mind getting rid of. SCORE! So anyway, he used to be an attendee of the Homebrew Computer Club, which if you don't know was a bunch of hackers and geeks (including of course Jobs and Wozniak) who got together every week or month in (I believe) either Mountain View or Sunnyvale, to show off the computers they were building. Read Steven Levy's _Hackers_ for the complete (and very entertaining) story. He was telling me all these cool stories. One was about how a Lawrence Livermore National Lab employee made a bunch of paper-tape copies of Gates' BASIC when it first came out and brought them to a meeting of the HCC, claiming that on his way over, a box of stuff dropped from a bus, and when he went to go check it out he found all these weird paper tapes in it (40 or so) and that everyone was welcome to have them, whereby he began tossing them out into the audience. Gary of course got one of them, and invited me to look at and touch it under the condition that I didn't drool on it and muss it up. It was in perfect condition! The neatest thing about it is that it had "Z80 BASIC COPYRIGHT MICROSOFT" punched into it (that isn't the actual message, I've forgotten what it said already). He said the week after, Bill himself showed up and whined to the crowd, asking "How am I supposed to make any money off this if you guys are pirating my stuff?" I'm sure, in hindsight, Bill certainly doesn't mind the fact that the Microsoft BASIC standard created by the piracy of his original BASIC has made him a $32 billion man today. He went on to tell me the stories about how he built his IMSAI and applied fixes and patches for flaws in the design, and showed me the schematics and took me through some of the documentation. He's a really neat guy. We're going to be staying in touch. He's moving soon and he says when he cleans his garage out and figures what else he has he will probably let me have some of it, including his full run of Byte magazine starting from issue 4. He also has a CompuPro 8/16 that he wanted to hang onto, as well as a Heathkit H19 terminal that he built from the kit, but he says he might not want to take them with him. So anyway, that's what a day of tooling around the bay area got me. I also met Paul Coad at a parking lot sale and we ran into Doug Coward (you may have checked out his Web museum page, I forget the URL). It was a good day. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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(fwd) Re: CPM-L Digest - 5 Jun 1997 to 6 Jun 1997 (fwd)

by dastar＠crl.com

Another one, hope someone gets lucky. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Z100 free Conditions: YOU PICK UP. YOU TAKE ALL SOFTWARE AND MANUALS I live in Northeastern Maryland. Close to an I95 exit. If interested email me at ltelets(a)tec1.apg.army.mil It has two 5 and a quarter floppies amd a detached monochrome monitor. It runs but could make a fine boat anchor *8^) -- Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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(fwd) Free CPM computer (fwd)

by dastar＠crl.com

Hope someone can take advantage of this. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass ---------- Forwarded message ---------- TeleVideo TS802 computer uupdated with 20 meg hard drive (partitioned 10/10). Its free. Machine has several upgrades; CPU speed 5 mhz, faster memory chips, Zsystem operating system. User friendly ZCPR plus auto loading function keys and a whole bunch of other upgrades I forget. Has Wordstar ver. 4.0, dBase ll loaded and configured on the hard drive. Machine has original manual and shipping carton. It's located in Edmonton, AB, Canada you can contact me: peterc(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Peter -- Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Ccanner/Dig Cam/Camcorder?

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

>Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:54:59 -0700 >From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)crl.com> >Subject: Digital Imaging (was: Re: Chisolm) >I have been trying to decide the best way to get images into digital form. >Naturally, a digital camera is one way, but not the only. There's also the >photo/scanner method, camcorder/video capture, and probably others. As I >see it, the pros/cons are: >DigCam: + Easy to use, convenient > - Expensive to buy, somewhat limited capacity, > no hard copy of images (except printer output) >Photo/Scanner: + Hard Copy, can be used for other stuff too > - Film and Developing can be expensive, takes time >Camcorder: + Easy to use, Allows for selecting the right image > from several views > - Video capture hardware/software isn't cheap >So, does anyone have thoughts on which is best? I'd like a scanner for >other things, but they're expensive too. There's also the question of 35mm >vs. polaroid and type of scanner. (Not to mention where the heck would I >put it!) I've got a camcorder and my girlfriend's mac supposedly can do >video capture as is, but I've got to find software and figure it out. -----------> I myself went with the scanner, mainly because I want to do some OCR with it as well as scanning, flat bed is better than a ahndheld, and you would not believe the prices nowadays. You can get a new Microtek E3 for under $200! (for IBM or Mac!) Check your local discount mail-order firm. - - - - - - - - BTW (and to keep on-topic), anyone know of some decent OCR software that can reliably convert dot-matrix hard copy? The Omnipage LE (shipped with the scanner) can't make heads or tails out of most of it (and barely works with the dot-matrix stuff it can. :/ (I have a couple issues of the Commodore Gazzette (pre-COMPUTE!) and alot of it is dot matrix.) Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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cocos and stuff

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 02:01 PM 6/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >(there is a port) and how hard. Do they run any real OSs or some TRShack? I am told that OS-9 is a pretty good OS, but I don't have any real experience with it. I'm sure there are OS-9 resources out on the net somewhere... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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TI-99/4A Comments

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> > After the collapse of the market for the TI 99/4a, Radio Shack sold many > of the parts (including the keyboard, the internal switching power supply The TI99/4a is not a switcher. I have both the RS powersupply board and two TI99/4a (a black one and a grey one) and neither use a switcher! Now the original ti99/4 with the chicklet keyboard (scarce) did use the switcher. Allison

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cocos and stuff

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Somewhere in the back of my head I had the idea that a TDP-100 > was a Coco with added serial hardware included so that Radio > Shack could sell it as a color video terminal. Does anyone > else remember this, or am I completely out of my mind? Looking at the board and my moto data book says no serial devices (6850 or the like). Allison

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Sage IV...

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Im not rich, Don't have one. Do I want one? Help me out here? what is it? ---------- > From: Kevan Heydon <kevan(a)motiv.co.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Sage IV... > Date: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 11:08 AM > > > Hi all, > > I have just recieved this email offering me a Sage IV. I am not > interested as I already have one so the cost of shipping to here in the > UK isn't worth it. So if someone wants it contact him directly. > > Kevan > > ------- Forwarded Message > > To: collector(a)heydon.org > Subject: sage IV > > Hello, I own a Sage IV computer and have some word processing software > and spreadsheet software for the computer. I also own two amber > monitors for the Sage IV. If you are interested in purchasing these, or > know a source in the United States that is interested in this computer > equipment, please leave me a note on the web, or at CompuServe 76627,224 > Jim Krasno (my wife is Nancy Nelson) > Jim > > ------- End of Forwarded Message > > > >

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TI-99/4A Comments

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Hi, I should qualify myself as comming from when personal computer meant you owned a computer be it a minuteman-1 missle guidence computer(all transistor), mark-8 or a PDP-8! The TI99/4a was 81 technology and should be compared to that not a P1000000! This seems to occur often. It compared to the PCjr with the chicklet keyboard or COCO1 with same at a time when the osborne-1 totable was new and neat. Apple/III had bombed on the market. It compared to z80 based system at 4mhz and a few emerging at 6mhz or the other non-IBM-PC 8088/6 based s100 systems. There were even 68000 based system but 8mhz were fast ones. It was color! At a time when that capability was uncommon. It didn't require an engineer to hook it up or make it do something/anything. At that time S100 systems, apples, and the like were rarely packaged systems. The trs80 and others started something with ready to run boxes that were also slow and cranky. Can I say it better as...back then a lot of things were starting to shake out, emerge and outright happen. The TI99/4a was one of those and it was far cheaper than a PC even at it introduction price. 1980 to 1984 was an interesting time. Who knows, if IBM and intel didn't hook up we could be running unix on a fifth generation z8000. Allison

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TI-99/4A Comments

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> I have a question for you folks. I have a basic TI 99/4a.... that's it. N > cables, no peripherals, no nothing with it. I am wanting to get this Minimally you need the power brick that was 18Vac and 8.5vac, and also the video cable that took compossite color to channel 3/4 or the other that allowed direct hookup to the TI color monitor. FYI sams photofact had a print set for the machine and it was set CC2, TI99/4a model PHC004a. There was also a 66 page technical manual from TI on the console and expansion box. Allison

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Tandy 600

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Actually the Tandy 600 was a 1989 concoction. It looks like an early Toshiba laptop, with flip-up narrow LCD display. It has Multiplan, a subset of MS Word, a built-in modem, 360K 3.5" drive, 80x16 display, and sold for $999. I passed up one of these at a swap meet a few weeks ago. Kai > ---------- > From: Marvin[SMTP:marvin@rain.org] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 10:21 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Tandy 600 > > In checking through the master computer lists, I found a Tandy 600 > computer that is not listed. In checking through the docs, I can't > find > any reference to what the CPU is and I would prefer not to take it > apart > to find out:). Anyone know what CPU it uses? The manual was > copyright > 1985 but I don't know when the machine was actually released although > I > would *assume* 1985. It operates with MS-DOS style files and with all > software residing in ROM. It appears that the basic machine comes > with > 32K of RAM expandable to 128K or 224K with special 96K upgrade kits. > It > is classified as a "lap-size" or "handheld" computer; this with the > dimensions being 11 1/2" x 12 1/2" x 2 1/2" and weighing about 9 1/2 > pounds. It comes with a 16 line x 80 character LCD screen, 3 1/2" > drive > and a build-in modem. Built in software includes MS Works V1.2 with > Word, Calendar, File, Telecom, and Multiplan. >

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Reminder: electronics/junk/computer sale June 14

by pcoad＠crl.com

This is a reminder for those in the San Francisco Bay area that on June 14 in Mountain View, there will be an junk/electronics sale. The location will be at Haltek (1062 Linda Vista Ave (Shoreline exit off 101)). I believe that this sale will have stuff from 7 different stores. The sale should run from 9am to 3pm. The stores participating are: Alltronics Campbell Techinical Excess Solutions Halted Specialities Haltek Test Labs Weirdstuff Directions: Take Highway 101 to Shoreline Blvd. West Turn Left on Terra Bella Turn left on Linda vista. Haltek is at the end of the road on the left. There will likely be a small get together (two people so far). Anyone who is interested in the get together let me know. There is a pretty good (if slightly expensive) Mexican food place nearby. Within a few miles >from Haltek just about any kind of food can be found. I'm not associated with any of the participants, I just a customer. --pec --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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cocos and stuff

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> RS published a technical manual for the color computer; I have a copy of i > somewhere. HOWEVER I found there's an app note from Motorola with schemati > that almost exactly match those in the RS technical manual. I don't recal > whether it was a 6809 app note or a 6847 app note though. If you can find > set of old Motorola data books you may be able to find it. Since I have three distinctly different generation boards I suspect the moto prints would hold to the oldest. Allison

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This weekend's haul

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Doug Spence said: >...and a BIZARRE >piece of IBM equipment: an external 5-1/4" floppy drive, model 4869. Actually, if one worked in an IBM shop, they were quite commonplace... especially when the PS/2's came out. The PS/2's had *no* way to hook an internal 5.25" floppy (due to size of case... and IBM's wanting to create a new standard...) so you had to go external if you wanted/needed to share data with other machines with 5.25" drives. >Now, on the subject of that weirdo IBM 4869 disk drive... what does this >plug into? The guy I bought it from said it was for an old PC. It has a >37-pin connector on the end of its cable. It's LARGER in two dimensions >than even a Commodore 1541 drive. Its power switch is very high quality. >:) Would this be a 160K drive? I haven't ripped it apart (yet) to see >how many heads the thing has. The size of the drive is mainly because of the PS & case (the case is *very* well RFI shielded)... the drive itself is a standard 1/2 height 360K 40TKDSDD 48TPI drive, with a standard 34-pin edge connector. I have one sitting on my desk at home, modified to use a standard cable (read: hole cut with dremel tool in top of case to fit cable) so I can use it with either my PC or with my Tandy CoCo3. *Very* nice drive. Trying to find a few more, so I can floppyize my CoCo2 and CoCo1. If you (or anyone) needs more info on this drive, lemme know. But I can tell you, that just taking it apart is *fun*, if you have 3-4 hours to get it apart and back together. I've had mine disassembled 3-4 times now, to figure where to cut holes & stuff for my cable mods. Enjoy! Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.

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Tandy 600

by bwit＠pobox.com

I have one of these and I believe it is based on the Intel 8086. Bob ---------- From: Marvin Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 1:21 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Tandy 600 In checking through the master computer lists, I found a Tandy 600 computer that is not listed. In checking through the docs, I can't find any reference to what the CPU is and I would prefer not to take it apart to find out:). Anyone know what CPU it uses? The manual was copyright 1985 but I don't know when the machine was actually released although I would *assume* 1985. It operates with MS-DOS style files and with all software residing in ROM. It appears that the basic machine comes with 32K of RAM expandable to 128K or 224K with special 96K upgrade kits. It is classified as a "lap-size" or "handheld" computer; this with the dimensions being 11 1/2" x 12 1/2" x 2 1/2" and weighing about 9 1/2 pounds. It comes with a 16 line x 80 character LCD screen, 3 1/2" drive and a build-in modem. Built in software includes MS Works V1.2 with Word, Calendar, File, Telecom, and Multiplan.

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8088s seattle comp.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Subject: Re: Seattle Computer CPU Module > The 8080 is a 40-pin package. The Z-80 is a 48-pin package. If I > remember correctly (my life in computers started with the Z-80, really, Whn I got up off the floor laughing... The z80, 8085, 8080 are all 40 pin packages and the z80 in any varient was never in a 48 pin package. The z180 aka 64180 was a 64 pin package or 68pin plcc. > since my friend with the Altair when I was in the USAF didn't let me at > the hardware, he knew my [inclined to injure myself] soldering skills). > This generally means that an adapter was needed to plug a Z-80 into a > board designed for a 8080. But I started my real computer career when Not true. there were z80 based boards to replace the 8080 board. For a while due to costs there where boards that carried z80s that would plug into an 8080 socket to upgrade the machine to z80 perfomance... > computers showed up where you didn't have to count the pins on the CPU, > specifically the TRS-80 (later renamed the Model One). I remember the > first time I looked down into a Model 16 and saw the MC68000 and wondered > why the hell that thing wasn't climbing up the side of the Empire State > Building. What you missed was the ti9900 chip that was 3 years older and also 64 pins. FYI the ti9900 chips was a 16bit cpu! Allison --LAA09304.865785477/europe.std.com--

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Sage IV...

by kevan＠motiv.co.uk

Hi all, I have just recieved this email offering me a Sage IV. I am not interested as I already have one so the cost of shipping to here in the UK isn't worth it. So if someone wants it contact him directly. Kevan ------- Forwarded Message To: collector(a)heydon.org Subject: sage IV Hello, I own a Sage IV computer and have some word processing software and spreadsheet software for the computer. I also own two amber monitors for the Sage IV. If you are interested in purchasing these, or know a source in the United States that is interested in this computer equipment, please leave me a note on the web, or at CompuServe 76627,224 Jim Krasno (my wife is Nancy Nelson) Jim ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Bit-3 Full-View80 video card for Atari 800

by idavis＠comland.com

At 07:23 PM 6/9/97 -0700, Jeff wrote: >written specifically for the Bit-3 or not? Also, could someone tell me >the power requirements for an Atari 850 interface, as I also picked up >one of those but it didn't have the PSU. Thanks. > > Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ >Collector of Classic Computers: Amiga 1000, Apple II+, Atari 800, >800XL, MegaST-2, XE System, Coleco Adam, Commodore 128D, 16, Plus/4, >VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, >Radofin Aquarius, TI-99/4A, Sinclair ZX-81, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 >Color Computer 3, Model 4, and Model 4P. Also Odyssey2, Atari SuperPong >and Atari 2600VCS game consoles > I have been using the same power supply for my 850 as my 800. Come to think of it, just about everything I have hooked to my atari is using the exact same power supplies, except for the 1027 printer which has a different sized connector. I will double check the 850 manual when I get home, but I know I just grabbed a regular old atari 800 power supply and started using it. If it turns out to be different, I will post the requirements. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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Trade for board?

by kyrrin＠wizards.net

Although I currently have a decent QBUS-to-SCSI adapter (Sigma Information Systems model RQD11), it does not appear to be capable of handling, or booting from, a CD-ROM drive with its current revision of firmware. Despite this, it does appear to work quite well (recognized by the MicroVAX it's plugged into, sees devices on the SCSI bus). Since I need to boot from CD, though, the board is of little use to me in its current state. Anyone on here interested in maybe trading me an Emulex or Dilog SCSI card for this one? I do have the original manual (and if you think that was easy to find...) ;-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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TI99 (was Re: 8088s seattle comp.)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Personally, my opinion of the TI-99/4a varies from stupid piece of shit > to semi-decent machine. Today I feel like stupid piece of shit. It was > almost completely closed, it's BASIC sucked and was slow, it's keyboard I have two of the beasts and a expansion box with floppy, ram, aftermarket ram and rs232 and ever the little talker thing and a box of games. It is slow. The manuals for the cpu and expansion were available, I got them. It's a compilation of the things you can do to a good cpu to make it run slow and try to do everything. > but then, I came from the world of Apple ][, to which nothing could > compare (uh oh, here come the holy wars). It's attraction? One it was cheaper than an apple with disks! When TI had the great sell off the console was $50, expansion $50, and modules $25-100. That made it appealingly cheap for what it was. I got my during the fire sale so they have been with me since new and work great. Parsec is still a favorite game. Since I have the editor, assember and other packages I also use it for assembly of TI9900 code for the technico board. An aside: The ti994a was an attempt at the time of emerging PCs to deliver the home computing applance. Everyone had an idea and generally the all were poor. Even the original PC was really bad, mostly closed design. They were all noteable as it told marketers what would fly and what had to be there. Amusingly the ti has what every P5 box has today, graphics, sound, games so they weren't that far off <in a perverse sort of way>. Allison

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Where do I find classic stuff in MN, SD, ND

by ekman＠lysator.liu.se

Greetings! I will be going to the US next week and would naturally like to take the chance to find some classic stuff. It presently looks like I will be moving around the states Minnesota, South Dakota and North Dakota. Unfortunately, airline baggage regulations will not allow me to purchase any considerable amounts of hardware, so I will be mostly interested in software. Does anyone have any information about shops or other places in those states where I may purchase classic software (or hardware)? I mostly collect Commodore, but anything is of potential interest. /Fredrik

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C64 thingy

by dastar＠crl.com

I picked up a Commodore 64 a while ago that had this special board inside. It was inserted between the keyboard and the motherboard. IE. it had a connector that plugged into the keyboard rolex connector on the motherboard and then the keyboard ribbon cable plugged into it. Then it had a 9-pin male D-type connector than came out the back of the C64. My guess is that it was for a numeric keypad or something. I forgot what was stamped on the circuit board. Any ideas? Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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(fwd) FREE: Collection of Early MS-DOS/PC-DOS SW and manuals

by ynagasaw＠ic.sunysb.edu

I would really like to get old Windows and Turbo Prolog, but I can not go there to pick them up. Is it impossible to send them to me? Of course I will pay for shipping and every thing. Thank you, Yujin Nagasawa

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Radofin Aquarius

by jeffh＠unix.aardvarkol.com

Of course, Sam and others have taken to talking about the Mattel Aquarius lately, but I've never seen a mention of the Radofin version, which other than the lack of 'Mattel' logos and the change to the model number and label on the bottom of the machine, is identical. Were many of them sold? Does anyone else out there have one? About all I've been able to learn is that since Radofin was the actual manufacturer of both versions, they continued to produce it for an unknown length of time after Mattel dropped it from their line. There's not even a mention of it on any of the Aquarius references on the web. Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Apple II+, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Coleco ADAM, Commodore 128D, 16, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osborne Executive, Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, Model 4, and Model 4P, plus Odyssey2, Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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(fwd) FREE: Collection of Early MS-DOS/PC-DOS SW and manuals

by danjo＠xnet.com

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How to read/write TRS-80 diskettes from PC?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Does anyone know how to read/write TRS-80 Model I format diskettes with > a PC? > > I have a CompatiCard II and a Copy II Option Board. I assume the Option > Board is able to copy TRS-80 diskettes (I hope, just got it this weekend > and haven't tried yet) but I need to actually write files. Sydex 22Disk > appears to support only CP/M formats. TRS-80 disks are single density, single sided, soft sector non-cpm unless after market cpm is installed. The original disk controller was wd1771. There is two form to trs-80 disks those from TRSDOS and those from DiskBASIC. As far as I remember(18 years!) they were compatble with each other. Their structure was very unlike CP/M and it used a FAT style of directory. Now to add to the pain, there were various mods that allowed for double density and even two sided disk drives. If so the controller was wd1793 in the form of a piggy back card. Knowing the controller used is important as some of the system out there created disk formats that are completely unreadable by anything other than a system with 1771/1793! Allison

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TRS-80, etc.

by coslor＠pscosf.peru.edu

Howdy folks: I am writing this to let you know... if you would like to be mailed a very complete listing of TRS-80 hardware and software, just e-mail me with your name and mailing address to coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu. This listing costists of 65 pages and will be sent via 1st Class mail ASAP. If you would like it even quicker, please send $3 to the address below to cover MOST of the shipping charges... you would then be 'prioritized'. I collect all types of TRS-80 hardware and software, and specialize in games in both original diska nd tape format, as well as converted for use with modern PC emulators. I have a HUGE collection and would like to share this with others. I like to think I have 'nearly' every commercially sold game (and hundreds of others) written for the TRS-80 line of computers. I also have most applications and DOSs ... all for the Model 1,3,4 as well as a limited supply of CoCo hardware and software. I also collect for many other classic systems, including but not limited to: MSX, Colour Genie, Apple ][, Apple ][e, Apple ][c, Apple ][+, Commodore 64, C-16, Vic 20, Plus 4, Atari series, Coleco, Sincalire Spectrum, P2000, and Vectrex systems. All I ask for most of the software is to be compensated for my expenses (postage, media, etc.) and have very low prices on most of my hardware as I have accumulated a large inventory over the years and need to clear my shelves. I am also looking for the following items in particular: 1) YOUR classic hardware and/or software. I am always buying and trading for those item. 2) 80-Micro, TRS-80 Microcomputing News, Computer News 80, and 80-US Journal magazines, etc. 3) Original manuals, instruction, and game boxes concerning the TRS-80 4) Atari 800 - Atari Artist cartridge. A800LX - RX8053. Just please remember, I am always buying, selling, and trading for these hard to find items... even for things not on the above list. If you're looking for something or have some things to offer... PLEASE let me know. I simply love the TRS-80 and other classic machines and would appreciate any help you may be able to provide in expanding my collection. I most gladly will help you out in adding to your own classic computer or game machine collection. Finally, I have ALL my original disk, tape, and cartridge software... for all systems, converted to run on their respective PC emulators! Send me your want lists, request for a catalog, or what you have to offer: via e-mail, United States Postal Service, or give me a call... I look forward to hearing from you. Best Wishes, CORD COSLOR //*=====================================================================++ || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE || || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 || || Classic computer software and hardware collector || || Autograph collector || ++=====================================================================*//

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Cleaning Plastic

by chemif＠mbox.queen.it

At 05:38 09/06/97 -0700, Greg Mast wrote: > > I apologize if this is a repeat question but I can't seem to find the > previous post. > > What were the solutions to removing yellowing from the plastic cases? I > bought a printer that looks terrible. Not sure what caused it so any > suggestions helpful at this point. > > thanks, > > Greg > Hi Greg, I don't know if this will help you in solving cleaning problems, but here is my favourite: FULCRON from AREXONS. I do maintenance and cleaning of computer cases since 10 years (for both job and passion), and i found it to clean jellow stains (caused by nicotine) EVEN BETTER THAN TRIELINE (honestly I find it better than anything else for any kind of dirt exept: paint and ink). It seems to take away the outer layer of jellowing but is not smelling like any petrol derived-solvent. I don't know if you will be able to find it there (AREXONS it's a multinational company, isn't it?), but here in Italy was introduced 3 years ago and now you can find it in any detergent shop. For ink and tape adhesive I use a ISOPROPILIC ALCOOL based product called TERGITUTTO, but this time the company (Sutter) I'm shure it's Italian only, so try to find a similar remedy in your town. Bye Riccardo Romagnoli. Classic Computer Collector Forli' - Italy

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Removing adhesive (RE: Cleaning Plastic)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

I recommend "3M General Purpose Adhesive Remover", which is inexpensive and comes in a red and white quart-size can that will last you until roughly the year 2020. Some hardware stores carry it, but it's most reliably found at an auto paint supply store (check your local yellow pages). I once used this stuff to remove an entire vinyl top from a '68 Chevy, so I can tell you it really does work, and does not appear to harm either your skin or any kind of plastic. Doesn't smell very bad, and isn't highly flammable. In response to an earlier question, Cameo copper cleaner can be found in most any grocery store or general goods store. Kai > ---------- > From: Sam Ismail[SMTP:dastar@crl.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Monday, June 09, 1997 10:56 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic > > On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Mr. Self Destruct wrote: > > > I've always just used those blue brillo pad thingys. They generally > do > > well at taking off a bunch of hard to remove stuff (tape spooge, > stains, > > etc.) Sometimes when I'm REALLY bored I take the keyboard apart > (keycaps, > > etc.) and scrub them up too. Real satisfying to see a 12 year old > machine > > look like new... > > Regarding "tape spooge" (what a great moniker, if not gross) this is > the > bane of my existence. I hate that shit. I went out and got some > stuff > called Goof Off from Home Depot which was supposed to do away with > that > stuff but it didn't work very well. I didn't try it on anything metal > > yet, but most of my problems are with people putting velcro with the > sticky backs on plastic cases. I tried cleaning some plastic with > tape > spooge on it and it just melted the damn thing. Anyone have any > ideas? > > Sam > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, > Writer, Jackass >

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Cleaning Plastic

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Yellowing may be irreversible. I've been thinking of removing all electronics from a case, and soaking it in dilute bleach solution overnight. I did find a great method for removing permanent marker from textured plastic. Cameo copper cleaner powder works great and doesn't harm the texture. For other stains, I use a Scotch Brite pad of the type that says it's safe on fiberglass. I'd sure like to find a good method for cleaning keyboards. Kai > ---------- > From: Greg Mast[SMTP:gmast@polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Monday, June 09, 1997 12:10 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Cleaning Plastic > > I apologize if this is a repeat question but I can't seem to find the > previous post. > > What were the solutions to removing yellowing from the plastic cases? > I > bought a printer that looks terrible. Not sure what caused it so any > suggestions helpful at this point. > > thanks, > > Greg >

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How to read/write TRS-80 diskettes from PC?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Does anyone know how to read/write TRS-80 Model I format diskettes with a PC? I have a CompatiCard II and a Copy II Option Board. I assume the Option Board is able to copy TRS-80 diskettes (I hope, just got it this weekend and haven't tried yet) but I need to actually write files. Sydex 22Disk appears to support only CP/M formats. Any ideas? thanks Kai

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Buzzing PS?

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

Hi, The Apple /// I picked up last weekend has one annoying flaw, and that is a *very* loud power supply, that seems to get louder the longer the machine is powered up. I think this thing becomes even louder than our 1950s-era Westinghouse refrigerator. (OK, perhaps an exaggeration, but the sound seems to carry farther.) There is nothing obviously functionally wrong with the computer - it boots up fine, there's no wavering or glitching in the display, nothing to say that something might be wrong. Except the buzzing. It makes me nervous. Is this noise normal, or is it a sign that something is about to go kablooie? And if something's wrong, is there any way of knowing which part is about to go? It looks like the power supply should be easy to repair, but I don't know what I'm doing with these things. I know it's been stated here that power supplies should be checked before powering anything up, but I don't really know how to do that, and sometimes I'm just too impatient to see my new toys running. Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca

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C64 CP/M carts (was: Re: Yet another weekend haul story)

by steve＠kennard.keme.co.uk

At 18:08 09/06/97 -0400, you wrote: > >On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, George Lin wrote: > >> At 11:24 PM 6/1/97 -0700, you wrote: >> ><...> >> >> accessories including a CP/M cartridge for C64 >> > >> >A CP/M _carthridge_? Awesome. >> >> I just tried it yesterday. Pretty cool. The Z80 is in the cartridge. The >> package comes with a CP/M 2.2 diskette for 1541 and a condensed CP/M manual >> by Commodore (copyright 1983). There is a K-Mart price tag on the original >> box that reads $54. Not bad. > >This reminds me... I also have a Z80 cartridge for the C64. But it's not >the one from Commodore. It's from a company called DATA 20 Corporation. > >I haven't been able to get it to work. It has what looks like a connector >for a power supply on the back, but I didn't get the PS with it. It also >came without any disks, though it did have a cassette in the box with it, >which says "Use side A for Commodore 64/Use side B for VIC 20". > >It's a Z-80 Video Pak, that combines the Z80 processor AND an 80-column >display adapter into one (big fat) cartridge. > >To quote from the box: > > The Z-80 Video Pak brings the convenience of an 80 column screen and > the power of a CP/M compatible operating system to the Commodore 64. > > Designed to be used with a monitor, the Z-80 Video Pak lets the > Commodore 64 owner switch to a 40 or 80 column screen in black and > white, or back to the standard color screen. All switching is done > through software and no cables need to be moved. > > The Z-80 Video Pak has its own Z-80 microprocessor and operating > system which allows the 64 to run CP/M software formatted for the > Commodore 1541 disk drive. A Terminal mode which brings communication > with central data bases is included at no extra cost. The Z-80 Video > Pak also supports the advanced screen handling features of all Video > Pak models such as erase to the end of line, erase to end of screen, > and dump screen to printer. > > >If anyone out there knows this thing's power requirements (AAAGH! Another >wall-wart!) and where to get CP/M disks in 1541 format, please tell. :) > > >Doug Spence >ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca > >Hi you lot in the USA. I have a Boxed CPM cart and Disk Commodore Original, Anybody want it?? Emulator BBS 01284 760851 Keeping 8-Bit ALIVE

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Yet another weekend haul story

by george.lin＠documentum.com

I responded to a Usenet post regarding some UCSD P-Code stuff. It turned out the guy had a garage of other stuff that he was trying to get rid of. Here's what I got in two carloads: o 1 Kaypro II, 1 Kaypro 2X (dead--for parts), 1 Kaypro 4 o 1 boxed Commodore 64, 1 Commodore 128, plus a bunch of Commodore accessories including a CP/M cartridge for C64 o 1 Osborne Executive o 1 Compaq suitcase o 1 Atari 520ST (dead--for parts), 1 Atari 1040ST, 1 boxed Atari Falcon030, plus 2 Atari RGB monitors and other Atari accessories o 1 boxed Timex Sinclair 1000 o 1 TRS-80 Model 1 with expansion interface and disk drive o 1 Vector 4 o 2 Apple IIc's, one of them is a rare prototype o 20 Xerox paper cartons full of original software on disks/tapes for the above systems, manuals, out-of-print computer books, and old computer magazines The price? Free. George P.S. My back still hurts. -- ______________________________ ______________________________ / /\ / /\ / George Lin _/ /\ / Opinions expressed in this _/ /\ / Antique Computer Collector / \/ / message do not necessarily / \/ / http://museum.home.ml.org /\ / reflect my employer's. /\ /_____________________________/ / /_____________________________/ / \_____________________________\/ \_____________________________\/ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ Apple IIe, IIc, Mac 512K, Atari 800, 800XL, 1040ST, Falcon030, VCS, 5200, ColecoVision VGS, Commodore 64, 64C, 128, plus/4, Compaq, Eagle II, KayPro II, 4, Nintendo NES, Osborne Executive, TI 99/4A, Timex Sinclair 1000, 1500, TriGem SLT-100, TRS-80 Model I, III, 100, Color Computer 2, Vector 4.

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Removing adhesive (RE: Cleaning Plastic)

by K.J.Whitehead＠massey.ac.nz

>On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Kai Kaltenbach wrote: > >> I recommend "3M General Purpose Adhesive Remover", which is inexpensive >> and comes in a red and white quart-size can that will last you until >> roughly the year 2020. Some hardware stores carry it, but it's most >> reliably found at an auto paint supply store (check your local yellow >> pages). >> >> In response to an earlier question, Cameo copper cleaner can be found in >> most any grocery store or general goods store. > >Ok, there have been so many cleansers thrown around in the last 12 hours >that I think its time to compile a list of these with their respective >uses and throw it in the FAQ. > >Sam >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Well you can add CRC 226 and 556, They don't harm platics (actually they give it a nice gloss if you like that sorta thing) Works really well on these "permanant" paper labels. Cheers +----------- Keith Whitehead -----------+ | Physics and Chemistry Depts | | Massey University | | Palmerston North | | New Zealand | | | | Ph +64 6 350-5074 Fax +64 6 354-0207 | +------------------------------------------+

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Radofin Aquarius

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Wish I had one. ---------- > From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Radofin Aquarius > Date: Monday, June 09, 1997 3:41 PM > > On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Jeff Hellige wrote: > > > Of course, Sam and others have taken to talking about the Mattel Aquarius > > lately, but I've never seen a mention of the Radofin version, which other than > > the lack of 'Mattel' logos and the change to the model number and label on the > > bottom of the machine, is identical. Were many of them sold? Does anyone > > else out there have one? About all I've been able to learn is that since > > Radofin was the actual manufacturer of both versions, they continued to > > produce it for an unknown length of time after Mattel dropped it from their > > line. There's not even a mention of it on any of the Aquarius references on > > the web. > > I'd never even heard of it until you mentioned it to me previous. I > would think that it's kinda rare. > > Sam > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Buzzing PS?

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I have a /// for parts! ---------- > From: Doug Spence <ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Buzzing PS? > Date: Monday, June 09, 1997 4:21 PM > > > On Fri, 30 May 1997, A.R. Duell wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > The Apple /// I picked up last weekend has one annoying flaw, and that is > ^^^ > > > a *very* loud power supply, that seems to get louder the longer the > > > machine is powered up. > > <snip> > > > > Is this noise normal, or is it a sign that something is about to go > > > kablooie? And if something's wrong, is there any way of knowing which > > > part is about to go? > > > > No it's not normal. The Apple uses a switching type supply, and there > > shouldn't be any 60Hz waveforms anywhere after the mains > > rectifier/smoothing cap. If it's buzzing there is a problem > > OK, here's a question from an electronics-know-nothing (which hopefully > isn't in the FAQ, else I'll look like a complete idiot :) ): How do I > tell the difference between a switching supply and a linear supply? Just > from looking at it. > > I get the idea that linear supplies have honking big transformers in them, > and switching supplies don't. > > > It _may_ be nothing more than the mains filter coil (if it has one), or it > > may be a dried up smoothing capacitor (the 2 big ones rated at about 300V) > > that needs replacing. You could try those first. > > I don't remember there being any very large capcitors. (Nothing like in > my PET 2001, anyway... hooo boy! ;) ). I'll take another look inside to > see if I can spot the ones you're talking about. > > <snip> > > > Apple PSUs are easy to check. The 6 way cable unplugs from the main board, > > and the wiring is given in the Apple ][ reference manual. Just connect a > > voltmeter between the +5V output and the ground wire (red and black?) and > > power up. I don't think you need a dummy load. If you don't get 5V when > > you power up, you need to sort out that PSU. > > Well, the ][ and /// use different connectors, but I noticed that the > ///'s supply has info on the PCB. > > The supply works, BTW. As I mentioned, the system powers up and runs as > if nothing were wrong. The noise the power supply makes just makes me > nervous. > > > -- > > -tony > > ard12(a)eng.cam.ac.uk > > The gates in my computer are AND,OR and NOT, not Bill > > Doug Spence > ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca

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Cleaning boards/keyboards

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Bill mentions sticking a keyboard in a dishwasher. Bill, I assume you've > done this, and it's OK? I would think that with the heat of drying and > all it would kill the components. Over the years I've done this to de-crud boards, keyboards and equipment dropped in salt water. Water generally will not harm electronics save for stuff made of paper liek speakers. The real problem is insuring it is completely dry after cleaning. A warm, under 180F oven works for this. Removing keycaps and the like first is a good thing. Also some keyboards by their contruction will trap water if it gets in and baking it out is the only way short of sometimes destructive disassembly. FYI, water gets coffee out the best if there ie a small amout of soap to break surface tension. Try to use soaps that are not chemically active and corrosion forming. Woolite is good in the sink for this and most dishwasher soaps are ok. Logic boards like DEC modules, motherboards and the like clean well in the dishwasher. I've done boards in the sink with a soft bristle brush and woolite and dried them by blotting with several paper towels and oven dry. The sometimes look better than new. Remember (not a joke!) Rinse well when doing this. FYI: resist the temptation to vacuum as the moving air can cause static charges that can do subtle and long term damage to ICs, even ttl. Dishwasing is actually safer. Allison

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Teaneck Findings

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> > > DEC KBD01 - a true whatsit - 8085 based, in one of the LSI-11/2 deskto > > > boxes, RS-232 (maybe) and another D connector on back. Any clues? I > > > no clue. (I purchased this as well) > > > > IF the box is a BDV11VA (or that size 13x12x4.5) it's a remote diagnosti > > port. Plugs in to the console port and does a modem link for remote use. > > For VAXen with that Remote Diagnostic Module? For late PDP-11s/vax11s and it plugged into the console port and subbed for same. By doing that all boot console functions were available even if the system was otherwise down. Not all PDPs supported this. An old item. Allison

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Cleaning Plastic

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I've found that instead of bug and tar remover, I use charcoal starter. Originally I used this on my car, at .79cents vs 3.bucks. Works well on machines too. To remove stenciling on computers I use fingernail polish remover, BUT DON'T get it on printed LOGOS! Bill ---------- > From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic > Date: Monday, June 09, 1997 2:25 PM > > > Regarding "tape spooge" (what a great moniker, if not gross) this is the > > bane of my existence. I hate that shit. I went out and got some stuff > > called Goof Off from Home Depot which was supposed to do away with that > > stuff but it didn't work very well. I didn't try it on anything metal > > yet, but most of my problems are with people putting velcro with the > > sticky backs on plastic cases. I tried cleaning some plastic with tape > > spooge on it and it just melted the damn thing. Anyone have any ideas? > > I've got a bottle of stuff labeled "Bug and Tar remover" that seems to > work just fine for me. I bought it several years ago, and it's > chock-full of all sorts of hydrocarbons and ketones. If environmental > regulations haven't completely banned the sale of this stuff, I'd > expect you can still find it in automotive stores. > > Many of the fluorocarbon-based cleaners did a better job on sticker > residue, but these are all but impossible to get anymore. > > Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)

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old hardware

by foxvideo＠mail.wincom.net

Last fall I was given the remains of something(?) from a local municipal office. It has been in my garage all winter, and since our Canadian weather has finally warmed up a bit, I went out to have a look. The only identification that I can reach is on the two drives which are a few hundred pounds each and are Century Data Systems Model T80 A's. Can anyone tell me anything about them? There is also another rack about the same size, but it is buried in other junk and is not accessable. The deal also included a Calcomp 1041 plotter which runs the test plot, but doesn't want to talk to my Windows 95/486. Regards Charlie Fox

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This weekend's haul

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 11:43 PM 6/8/97 +0100, you wrote: >>This weekend was pretty quiet, though I did pick up a couple >>ColecoVision cartridges, including 'Turbo' with the 'Expansion Module I managed to pick up an "HP Touch Accessory" (a touch screen add-on) new in the box and (though it's not really a computer) an Interactive Network console also in the box. I'm happy to find this list too! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Misc.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> I have a bit of DEC stuff including a Minc (I think that is the correct > spelling) that I have no idea what it was used for, a couple of 11/23s, Labratory computer designed for easy interface to programable instruments and other experiments. Allison

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Chisolm

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

On Fri, 6 Jun 1997 Marvin Johnston wrote : > Wow, I think I am beginning to like this listserver! Only just beginning ;-) > It has an LCD screen with a decent keyboard on it. So far so good... > The size is approximately 12" wide x 8" > deep x 5" high and the LCD screen folds up typical of a portable. > It has a couple of standard bus size cards (one is missing) but uses > the header type connector (2 x 50?) instead of the gold fingers to > plug into the backplane. Nope, not a Gavilan which was was only a couple of inches tall and had no internal slots (for cards at least). > If this is a Gavilan, are docs, schematics, and parts still available? I doubt it, there used to be quite an active Gavilan group in Silicon Valley many years ago and if anyone has need I can try and dredge up some long forgotten names... Hans B Pufal

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Olivetti XP 1050/SP

by dastar＠crl.com

I saw an Olivetti XP 1050/SP that I passed up the other day cuz it looked like a common PC clone type dealy. Anyone have any information on this? Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Dead PET for free

by dastar＠crl.com

Here's another one. Hope someone finds a use for this... Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Newgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: (fwd) Take my PET, please! Ok, forgive the corny subject line... I have a C=PET 4016 here that is in a serious state of disrepair. When I got it, it wasn't working and I tried to fix it up to no avail. In it's current state, it's little more than a big metal & plastic paperweight to me. I'm GIVING IT AWAY (You pay S&H) to anyone on one condition: That you try to fix 'er up or use the parts to fix another commodore computer. I don't want to see this go to the dumpster, folks. It deserves better. I'm even willing to throw in a few C64 disks for taking it away :) If interested, respond via email - dross4(a)niu.edu Dave Ross / Doc Watson | "Make me one with everything," said the dross4(a)niu.edu | Zen Buddist to the hot dog vendor. - - - - - - - - - - - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Long live the C=64/128!| http://www.cs.niu.edu/~z956832/homepage.htm -- Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Introduction

by BROBSTONA＠wartburg.edu

>My story mirrors yours. I, too, learned on the Aquarius, and I loved >it. I then moved on to the Apple ][+. I have few regrets in my life, >but of the more nerdy ones, I regret ever selling my Aquarius to finance >the purchase of my Apple ][+. I had all the peripherals for it >(including the thermal printer and datasette, and of course the expansion >module with controllers and a 4K RAM carthridge). I didn't have quite as much for it, probably. I had the mini-expander with controls, and four cassettes, which I think were D&D Treasures of Tarmin, Utopia, Night Stalker, and Biorhythms. I got Chess later as a gift. I didn't have the "official" data recorder, but I got a regular tape recorder to work once in a while for storage. I remember writing programs for it. I remember also typing in that what-seemed-so-long "Digital Clock" program from the manual. I left out all the REM statements because they were "optional," I thought from my programming experience and what the manual said. I didn't realize that all the branching statements went to those REM's. Eventually, I got it to work, and I thought it was really neat. I was easily entertained at age seven. When my parents' friends came over, their two kids and I had Utopia tournaments. Often, they got very mean, and we'd end up fighting because "you broke the agreement about not sinking my fishing boat," and one of us would retaliate by putting rebels on the other's island with all our money until the game got pointless because no one had anything left. I may still have the price list around somewhere - I know I had it a long time after buying anything would have been an option, but I don't know if it got thrown out or not. I bugged my parents about getting me a printer for it, but they never did, and I didn't have any money of my own (I was only between about six and eight). In my original list of computers, I forgot my Atari 2600, possibly because I didn't consider it a computer, but rather a video game machine. (Wasn't there a keyboard setup of some sort that you could get for it? I could be wrong about that.) I still have that at home, too. I don't remember all the games I had for it. I remember being really mad that the "Indy 500" "driving controls" wouldn't work as paddles with Warlords, and I never got the real paddle controls. I think we took Warlords back to the store. (I could, again, be mistaken about all these titles...) >Ahhhh, I miss those days. I hear ya! -- Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu http://www.wartburg.edu/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College as a whole.

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Introduction

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I'f I remember correctly there was a "Keypad" that allowed you to enter BASIC code and a BASIC language cartridge. Seems I found the cartridge at a garage sale and used to have one, but could never find a working keypad. I have now abandoned the 2600 years ago in an attempt to get rid of some the toys I never "play" with anymore. I find myself re-buying many of the things i've sold. So my new rule is , unless I have two, I sell nothing. Bill ---------- > From: Andy Brobston <BROBSTONA(a)wartburg.edu> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Introduction > Date: Sunday, June 08, 1997 9:03 PM > > >My story mirrors yours. I, too, learned on the Aquarius, and I loved > >it. I then moved on to the Apple ][+. I have few regrets in my life, > >but of the more nerdy ones, I regret ever selling my Aquarius to finance > >the purchase of my Apple ][+. I had all the peripherals for it > >(including the thermal printer and datasette, and of course the expansion > >module with controllers and a 4K RAM carthridge). > > I didn't have quite as much for it, probably. I had the mini-expander > with controls, and four cassettes, which I think were D&D Treasures of > Tarmin, Utopia, Night Stalker, and Biorhythms. I got Chess later as a > gift. I didn't have the "official" data recorder, but I got a regular > tape recorder to work once in a while for storage. I remember writing > programs for it. I remember also typing in that what-seemed-so-long > "Digital Clock" program from the manual. I left out all the REM > statements because they were "optional," I thought from my programming > experience and what the manual said. I didn't realize that all the > branching statements went to those REM's. Eventually, I got it to > work, and I thought it was really neat. I was easily entertained at > age seven. When my parents' friends came over, their two kids and I > had Utopia tournaments. Often, they got very mean, and we'd end up > fighting because "you broke the agreement about not sinking my fishing > boat," and one of us would retaliate by putting rebels on the other's > island with all our money until the game got pointless because no one > had anything left. > > I may still have the price list around somewhere - I know I had it a > long time after buying anything would have been an option, but I don't > know if it got thrown out or not. I bugged my parents about getting me > a printer for it, but they never did, and I didn't have any money of > my own (I was only between about six and eight). > > In my original list of computers, I forgot my Atari 2600, possibly > because I didn't consider it a computer, but rather a video game > machine. (Wasn't there a keyboard setup of some sort that you could > get for it? I could be wrong about that.) I still have that at home, > too. I don't remember all the games I had for it. I remember being > really mad that the "Indy 500" "driving controls" wouldn't work as > paddles with Warlords, and I never got the real paddle controls. I > think we took Warlords back to the store. (I could, again, be mistaken > about all these titles...) > > >Ahhhh, I miss those days. > > I hear ya! > -- > Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu > http://www.wartburg.edu/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html > My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College > as a whole.

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8088s seattle comp.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Yes, I've since seen the guts of a TI-99/4A. I ignored it for many years > since the time I first played with a TI-99/4 at the computer store in Las > Vegas, wrote a BASIC loop to count to a hundred and got there first > counting out loud. I've been shown since that the machine was reasonably > fast, as long as you avoided BASIC, but that was the only tool at the Basic was slow. But since I'd had the technico board for a few years before the TI99 I'd been into assembler. The TI9900 cpu is a bit slow as it was very memory intensive (registers AKA workspace was an allocated block of ram). IT was a real computer archetecture compared to the 8080. When compared to z80 at 2.5mhz or faster it was slower. But that was the spped they could get out of silicon and the ti99 tried to cost reduce it by narrowing the bus slowing it further. Still in many other ways it was a more sophisticated cpu with memory banking when that was rarely heard of. Allison

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yo

by dastar＠crl.com

I was watching this program on cable called the Computer Bowl or something hosted by Ziff-Davis publishing where they had two teams of nerds answering computer and computer industry related questions. One of the questions was: What was the serial number on the first Apple ][ computer? Answer tomorrow. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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[Fwd: FS: Ancient Unix Boxen]

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

This was posted on a local newsgroup. Don't know if the guy wants to ship them but I thought I should forward this. Greg

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Introduction

by BROBSTONA＠wartburg.edu

I'm fairly new to the list, so I'd like to introduce myself (and my computers). I am typing this message right now on an Apple IIGS. I've worked with most of the older Apple II series computers also. I still actively use my Apple IIGS for nearly every task that most people think requires a "new" computer. My first computer, on which I learned a *lot* about programming, was the Mattel Aquarius, which I still own. I've been looking off and on for information about it. The FAQ is nice, but I know of at least one possible inaccuracy: the "Chess" game was released, I'm reasonably sure, because I have it. The computer's not too bad of a player, either, if I remember (it's been *years* since I've used the machine - I'm living at college right now, and the Aquarius is at home). I know now that a lot of people didn't like the Aquarius. I thought it was a really neat machine. I probably learned more from it that from any other single learning tool I've ever had, with the *possible* exception of my IIGS. I'm looking forward to hearing about anyone else's experiences with the Aquarius (or even the IIGS, though info about that is still plentiful on comp.sys.apple2). -- Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu http://www.wartburg.edu/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College as a whole.

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Digital Imaging (was: Re: Chisolm)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 08:53 AM 6/6/97 -0700, you wrote: >One of the things on my wish list is a digital camera so I can easily >digitize photos of stuff like this. I have been trying to decide the best way to get images into digital form. Naturally, a digital camera is one way, but not the only. There's also the photo/scanner method, camcorder/video capture, and probably others. As I see it, the pros/cons are: DigCam: + Easy to use, convenient - Expensive to buy, somewhat limited capacity, no hard copy of images (except printer output) Photo/Scanner: + Hard Copy, can be used for other stuff too - Film and Developing can be expensive, takes time Camcorder: + Easy to use, Allows for selecting the right image from several views - Video capture hardware/software isn't cheap So, does anyone have thoughts on which is best? I'd like a scanner for other things, but they're expensive too. There's also the question of 35mm vs. polaroid and type of scanner. (Not to mention where the heck would I put it!) I've got a camcorder and my girlfriend's mac supposedly can do video capture as is, but I've got to find software and figure it out. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Digital Imaging (was: Re: Chisolm)

by jonathan＠holly.ninja.ml.org

> There are also 'classic' CCD cameras. There was a thing made by > 'Datacopy' that had a linear CCD that was mechanically scanned > across the frame (motor + leadscrew). There was certainly a PERQ > interface for this (made by GHS/Audre' in Canada), and I guess > others as well. > > These solutions sound a lot more fun than a modern PC-based system. Yes :-) I remember the PCWs we used to have at school. They had small scanning devices that replaced the print head on the printer. The computer would make the printer scan the entire sheet of paper, line by line, and in this way it built up the image... Not the fastest of scanners, but fun to watch it go! ___ _ _ ___ _ _| (_)(\)(-) | (-)(-)(\)

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intro sort of

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Hello, I'm Allison and I've been invloved with microcomputer since the introduction of the MCS8 (8008) and computers in general since the PDP-8. On site I have... they are all operational: DEC made: VT180 (cpm/zcpr) PDP-11/23 (RT-11 os) PDP-11/23+ (RT-11 os) PDP11/73 (RSTS or RT-11 os) PDT-11/130 (RT-11) MicroVAX2000 (Currently VMS5.4 later netbsd) MicrovaxII/gps (Currently VMS5.4 later netbsd) CPM and S100 systems: Northstar* s100 z80 (CP/M/zcpr, 40 meg hard disk) S100 (vector chasis) computime z80 and misc s100 cards (cpm/zcpr) SB180 (CPM2.2/zcpr 3.5" floppies and 20meg hard disk) Ampro Little board (CP/m/ZCPR 3.5" floppies and 42meg hard disk) Explorer85 8085 (NS*dos cpm1.4) Epson PX8 geneva with 120k ramdisk and 64k ramdisk/300baud modem wedges (runs cpm from rom) Kaypro 4/84 (turborom and CPM) MITS Altair 8800 (I built this one in late 74, one of the early units) Misc Single board computers (demo boards) Intersil 6960 mdemo board, 6100 chip 12bit PDP-8 on a chip National Semi ISP8a500 low cost 8 bit cpu. Technico Inc board using texas instruments TI9900 chip 16 bit (also have a TI99/4A with w/expansion box and software) Motorola 6800D2 board National Semi Nibblebasic chip (CPU with rom basic on a chip) Original cosmac elf. RCA1802 IMSI IMP48 8035 cpu NEC TK80 8080 demo board. PCs Leading edge model D 8088 (dos) (several other PCs far too new (less than 10 years). Plus parts (8080s, 8085, 8088, peripheral chips, rams...) CPU chips 8080, 8085, 8086, 8088, 80188, 80186, 808286, z80s, 6800s, 6502, 1802, 6100, 6120(pdp8), 8748, 8035, 8749, 8039, 8751, 8031, T11chip (pdp11 on a chip), NECd78pg11, NEC d7800 Allison

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Tape drive help?

by kyrrin＠wizards.net

In the interests of getting an old DEC PDP-11 running, I've got an STC 9-track tape drive here, a model 2921. This is, apparently, one of the rare few that StorageTek (aka, STC/Telex) manufactured with a Pertec interface vs. their own. Based on conversations with a company that still maintains these old beasts, it appears that the CPU card has gone bad. I'd like to at least try and confirm this by swapping said card with a known-good one. So... anyone own a 2921 that they don't mind it being used as a guinea pig? ;-) Thanks in advance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Spare Chips

by idavis＠comland.com

At 08:47 PM 5/21/97 -0400, William Donzelli wrote: >And of course, grab hold of every spare chip available off of donor machines. > >William Donzelli >william(a)ans.net > I have found what seems to be a decent supply of eproms. I was looking at an old 2400 baud fax modem for my pc, and noticed that it had what looked like an eprom on it. I pulled the chip and peeled off the label, and it was a 27256 eprom. I also bought a 2400 baud modem at a thrift store for $2.00 and it had a 27128 eprom in it. This was cheaper than buying the eprom by itself. I paid $3.00 for a 2764, and didn't even price a 27128. I am going to start picking up all of the old cheap, almost worthless modems and grabbing the eproms out of them. You can probably pick up the modem for less than the price of the eprom that it holds. If anyone else knows of a cheap source of eproms or other chips, share it with us. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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Seattle Computer CPU Module

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> > The module was a "upgrade product for those wating a 8088 and having onl > > z80 cpu. By unplugging the z80 and putting in the card you could run 16 > > Does this mean it would work in place of any 8080 CPU? Any idea what > the 8 pin header on the component side of the board was used for? This > is interesting since these past comments are the first I have heard > about the module! No. first it was not an 8080 replacement. Though it may have subbed for 8085 as they were very similar. Two the system had to be configured to run 8088 code(wich is not 8080 or z80 compatable. I had done this to an 8085 system as the signals from the 8088 are the 8085 are very close. The extra plug was likely the remaining 4 address lines (16 bit vs 20 bit addressing). If I had one I could trace it out and regenerate the schematic. Allison

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Seattle Computer CPU Module

by KFergason＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-06-08 03:18:29 EDT, you write: << The 8080 is a 40-pin package. The Z-80 is a 48-pin package. If I remember correctly (my life in computers started with the Z-80, really, >> no. the z-80 is a 40-pin package. i got bunches. Kelly

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by pogi＠ns.qnis.net

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Seattle Computer CPU Module

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> > This info was obtained second hand from a guy I bought a bunch of > > SCP stuff from. Apparently a one-time friend of his work for them. > > Thus - this could be wrong. SCP made at least six models of computer > > the first being Z80 machines which ran CP/M, the next few being 8086 > > based which ran CPM-86 or SCP-DOS (which I'm pretty sure is MS-DOS > > 1.0 or the immediate prdecessor purchased by MS). The last were 8088 > > I never knew they called it SCP-DOS. All I ever heard it called was > "QDOS" -- Quick & Dirty Operating System, basically a crude CP/M clone. > -- > Ward Griffiths > "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within > the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." --Claire Wolfe > Hi, New here but here goes... The module was a "upgrade product for those wating a 8088 and having only z80 cpu. By unplugging the z80 and putting in the card you could run 16bit apps. qdos was not a clone it was and outright disassembly of CP/M80 v1.4 and reassembly to 8086/8. Allison

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Available: DEC Rainbow Memory Extension Cards

by djenner＠halcyon.com

I have available several PC100B Memory Extension cards for the Rainbow for giveaway, or for trade if you have something that interests me. At the moment, the cards are unpopulated, but you can generally find 256Kbit chips to fill the board for about a $1 junk PC card. (A fully populated board has at most 3 banks of 9 256Kbit chips for a total of 768K and a system total of 896K.) I can provide a copy of the memory configuration pamphlet. I will give preference to anyone who has something to trade, but feel free to ask even if you don't. If you have something to trade I will even go out and find the $1 junk board and populate the card! Here's what I am looking for: 1) BCC17 cable for use with a VT241 color monitor 2) Documentation for Rainbow Concurrent CP/M-86, especially programming references. 3) Venix/Rainbow software and documentation. Dave Jenner djenner(a)halcyon.com

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Polymorphic Computers

by marvin＠rain.org

I was checking the Polymorphic Systems computers I have against the "The Big List" and found an 8824. It is a partial chassis but looks similar to the others except it is designed for 8" drives. Since it is not complete, I'll have to check in the Engineering stuff to see if there is a description of it. I also found a chassis model 88DS. It doesn't match with the number in "The Big List" so I'll check further into that. Regarding the others, from the "System 88 User's Manual", copyright 1979. 1.1 SYSTEM 88 MODELS The System 88 product line consists of the System 8813, available with up to 3 mini-floppy drives; the System 8810 with one mini-floppy drive, and the 88/MS add-on with 2 large floppy drives. The 8813 and 8810 models are available with optional double-sided, double density, mini-floppy disk drives. The 88/MS, an add-on storage for the 8813, is available with either double or single-sided, double density large floppy disk drives.

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Digital Imaging (was: Re: Chisolm)

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

Hello, I have been doing some image transfer in the last few months. I bought a Color QuickCam for about $150. The resolution isn't that great but it is easy to use. I also bought a scanner last month through Onsale for $139 + $20 shipping. It came with Photoshop LE which I could sell (I already have Photoshop) for $30. Anyway that brings the cost for a color flatbed (300 x 600) scanner down to $129. It will scan photos with incredible resolution. Photo developing is $6-$10 per roll though. I've never used the camcorder method but I can't imagine it'll be any better than the QuickCam. I did buy a TV card for the PC (I'm still putting together) for $65 a while back. I think it has screen/image capture software and video inputs. If you already have a videocamera that would be your cheapest alternative. Besides, then you can watch Gilligans Island on your computer! > I have been trying to decide the best way to get images into digital form. > Naturally, a digital camera is one way, but not the only. There's also the > photo/scanner method, camcorder/video capture, and probably others. As I > see it, the pros/cons are: > > DigCam: + Easy to use, convenient > - Expensive to buy, somewhat limited capacity, > no hard copy of images (except printer output) > > Photo/Scanner: + Hard Copy, can be used for other stuff too > - Film and Developing can be expensive, takes time > > Camcorder: + Easy to use, Allows for selecting the right image > from several views > - Video capture hardware/software isn't cheap > > So, does anyone have thoughts on which is best? I'd like a scanner for > other things, but they're expensive too. There's also the question of 35mm > vs. polaroid and type of scanner. (Not to mention where the heck would I > put it!) I've got a camcorder and my girlfriend's mac supposedly can do > video capture as is, but I've got to find software and figure it out.

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Misc.

by JONATHAN＠holly.ninja.ml.org

On 6 Jun 97 at 22:26, Marvin wrote: > Ah so, that one went right over my head, sorry about that one :). As > far as systems I don't have, there are a LOT I am still looking for. To > name just a few, the Aim 64, Kim, SWTP 6800 computer, Acorns (I am not > familar with them,) and quite a few others with the main interest in the > 70's computers. I am really impressed with "The Big List of Classic > Computers" and it has made me much more aware of how small the > collection really is compared to what was produced. I have an Acorn Electron going spare, if anybody wants it. It's a "Plus 3", I've been told - it's the standard Electron, but with an extra expansion module added on, containing a 3.5" floppy disk drive, some ports, and who knows what else...! It's in Manchester, UK. ___ _ _ ___ _ _| (_)(\)(-) | (-)(-)(\)

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Chisolm

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

Hi there, Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> wrote : > Another is a a neat portable (probably > non-working) with nothing but the word "Chisholm" on it. It looks like > a prototype judging by the number of mods to the circuit board. Any > info would be much appreciated. You are right in thinking it's a protoype. I used to work for Gavilan Computers back in the '80s and recall us using Chisholm as our design house. If you can describe the unit, or better yet post a picture, I can perhaps identify it as a Gavilan. Regards, Hans B Pufal

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TRS-80 - buy,sell, and trade

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I have an extra Trs-80 model 4 (64k) with 2 -floppies, Works FIne, make me a trade offer! ---------- > From: Cord Coslor <coslor(a)pscosf.peru.edu> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: TRS-80 - buy,sell, and trade > Date: Friday, June 06, 1997 12:02 PM > > Howdy folks: > > I am wondering if anyone out there on this listserve has any Radio Shack > TRS-80 they'd like to give up... either for sale or trade. I collect a lot > of different things and have Apple, Commodore, Texas Instruments, Colour > Genie, MSX, Vectrex, etc., etc... but, my true life-long love has been the > TRS-80 Model 1,3,4 line... and now the CoCo line of computers. > > I am especially looking for any old TRS-80 related magazines: especially > 80-Micro, 80-US Journal, and TRS-80 Microcomputer News. > > I have been archiving software for all these machines, and especially the > TRS-80s for about 10 years now. I do have a huge 65 page catalog of > everything in my collection. If you'd like to see it just let me know and > I'll ship it out. I do not have it in electronic form... only available > through USPS. > > It contains all my classic computer hardware, as well as all my software > in original disk, tape, cartridge, etc., forat, as well as already > converted to run on modern PC emulators. > > If you would like to get the catalog even quicker, send me $3 to the > address below. It actually costs me $3.24 to mail, and more to publish, > but it sure would help me out. > > As far as the software that I have, I like to believe that I have > virtually most things ever written for the TRS-80s, but I know there is a > lot more out there. If you have some software of old disk, cassettes, etc. > please let me know. As always, I am enternaining expanding my hardware > collection as well at all times. I currently have 7 TRS-80 Model 3, 2 > Model 1, 4 Model 4s, 3 Model 4ps, and several Commodore 64s, Texas > Instruments, 1 Coco 1, 4 CoCo 2, and 1 CoCo 3. > > I just love collecting these things and would love to hear from others as > to what you might have available to expand my collection... or just to > hear what interesting things you have. > > Thanks a lot, and hope to hear from you soon! > > CORD COSLOR > > //*=====================================================================++ > || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE || > || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 || > || Classic computer software and hardware collector || > || Autograph collector || > ++=====================================================================*// >

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TI Prolite portable computer

by radaranalysis＠faatcrl.tc.faa.gov

Help! My neighbor got a free computer, the Prolite from TI. Appears to be an early portable/luggable because it has a huge (at least 16" x 7" and 10lbs) battery pack, a 3.5 inch drive, a LCD display. What the heck is it? Does it run DOS and/or is it from the 80xx family? Thanks in advance

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The List!

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

Hi all. After getting your numerous recommendations on the last version ;) I updated the List of Classic Computers. It now includes 83 more machines and notes as to CPU, base RAM, Primary OS, and Class. I carry it with me when I go hunting - hopefully it will be useful to you too. As always - I'd love to hear from you with additions or corrections. This list is currently quite weak when it comes to pre-'78 machines, minis and bigger computers. I'm sure that just the DEC section should be three times as long. My resources only go so far ;). --- The Big List of Classic Computers Last Rev: 4/30/97 This list is compiled from various sources: fliers, magazines, ads, manuals, and price books. The information is as acurate as the original sources. I have removed PCs and clones from this list - they were taking up too much space. I may put together a separate PC list in the future. This list does not include game consoles, calculators, or word processors. If you have anything to add or revise, contact Bill Whitson (e-mail bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu). MODEL is the manufacturers model number. CPU indicates the type of CPU. RAM is the amount of RAM installed in a base unit. OS is the primary operating system or OS delivered with the unit. ADOS 3.X = Apple II DOS v3.x AMIGAOS = Amiga Operating System AMOS = Alpha-Microsystems Operating System ATRDOS = Atari Built-In OS CBMOS = Commodore Built-In OS CP/M = CP/M-80, CP/M-86, CP/M-68K, MP/M, etc... CROMIX = Cromemco CROMIX FLEX = FLEX GS/OS = Apple IIgs Operating System LOS = LISA Office System MACOS = MacOS OS/9 = OS/9 PRODOS16 = Apple 16bit ProDOS PRODOS8 = Apple 8bit ProDOS SOS = Apple III DOS TDOS = TurboDOS TOS = Atari ST Operating System UNIX = Any true UNIX variant TYPE is the class of computer MAIN = Computers physically larger than 2m x 2m x 2m MINI = Computers physically larger than 1m x 1m x 1m or which are composed of separate subsystems. MICRO = Single unit machines smaller than 1m x 1m x 1m PORT. = Portable (Lugabble, Laptop, Notebook, Handheld) units. YEAR is when the computer was first produced. ================================================================== MANUFACTURER MODEL CPU RAM OS TYPE YR ================================================================== Acorn------------------------------------------------------------- Atom 6502 4K ?? MICRO 80 Bus. Comp. Model 100 6502 w/Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 Bus. Comp. Model 110 6502 w/Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 Bus. Comp. Model 200 6502 w/32016 512K ?? MICRO 84 Bus. Comp. Model 210 6502 w/32016 4MB ?? MICRO 84 Bus. Comp. Model 300 6502 w/80286 1MB ?? MICRO 84 Bus. Comp. Model 310 6502 w/80286 1MB ?? MICRO 84 Bus. Comp. Model PA 6502 64K ?? MICRO 84 Bus. Comp. Terminal 6502 64K ?? MICRO 84 Electron 6502 32K ?? MICRO 83 Master 65C02 128K ?? MICRO 86 Model A 6502 16K ?? MICRO 81 Model B 6502 32K ?? MICRO 82 Model B+ 6502 64K ?? MICRO 84 Proton 6502 16K ?? MICRO 81 System 1 6502 1K ?? MICRO 79 System 2 6502 32k ?? MICRO 80 Automated Computer Systems---------------------------------------- 4040 MC 4040 64K CP/M MICRO 78 8080 MC 8080 64K CP/M MICRO 79 8080 MCS 8080 64K CP/M MICRO 79 8080 MPU 8080 64K CP/M MICRO 79 8080/Z80 8008 w/Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 Z80 MCS Z80 128K TDOS MICRO 81 Z80 MCS Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Action Computer Enterprise, Inc.---------------------------------- Discovery 500 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Discovery 1600 Z80 w/8086 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Actrix Computers-------------------------------------------------- DSDD Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 SSDD Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Adra Systems------------------------------------------------------ Model 1000 68020 2.5MB ?? MICRO 86 Model 3000 68020 4MB ?? MICRO 86 Advanced Digital Corporation-------------------------------------- Super System II ?? ?? TDOS MICRO 84 SuperStar ?? ?? TDOS MICRO 84 Alcyon------------------------------------------------------------ APS 68000 256K UNIX MINI 84 APS/RMS 68000 256K UNIX MINI 84 APX 68000 256K UNIX MINI 84 Alpha Info Systems------------------------------------------------ Model 100 8085 1MB ?? ?? 77 Model 100T 8085 1MB ?? ?? 79 Alpha MicroSystems------------------------------------------------ AM-680C 68000 128K AMOS MICRO 84 AM-680M 68000 128K AMOS MICRO 84 AM-1000 68000 128K AMOS MICRO 82 AM-1000E 68000 256K AMOS MICRO 83 AM-1000X 68000 128K AMOS MICRO 84 ALSPA Computer---------------------------------------------------- ACI-1 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 ACI-2 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Zero Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Altos Computer Systems-------------------------------------------- 3068 68020 4MB ?? MICRO 88 3068 EP 68020 4MB ?? MICRO 88 580-2 Z80 192K CP/M MICRO 83 580-20 Z80 192K CP/M MICRO 83 680-40 68000 ?? ?? MICRO 85 8000-10 Z80 208K ?? MICRO 78 8000-12 Z80 208K ?? MICRO 78 8000-14 Z80 208K ?? MICRO 78 Advanced Micro Devices-------------------------------------------- Model 96/4116 Z80 32K CP/M MICRO 80 Ampere, Inc.------------------------------------------------------ WS1A 68000 64K ?? MICRO 85 WS1B 68000 256K ?? MICRO 85 Amstrad----------------------------------------------------------- CPC464 Z80A 64K AMSDOS MICRO 84 CPC664 Z80A 64K AMSDOS MICRO 85 CPC6128 Z80A 128K AMSDOS MICRO 85 PCW8256 Z80 256K ?? MICRO 85 PCW8512 Z80 512K ?? MICRO 86 PCW9512 Z80 512K ?? MICRO 87 APF Electronics--------------------------------------------------- IM1 6800 8K ?? MICRO 80 Apollo Computer--------------------------------------------------- 400/420 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 Domain ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Apple Computer, Inc.---------------------------------------------- Apple II 6502 16K ADOS 3.X MICRO 77 Apple II+ 6502 48K ADOS 3.X MICRO 81 Apple IIc 65C02 128K PRODOS8 PORT. 85 Apple IIc+ 65C02 128K PRODOS8 PORT. 86 Apple IIe 6502 128K PRODOS8 MICRO 82 Apple IIgs (ROM 01) 65C816 256K PRODOS16 MICRO 86 Apple IIgs (ROM 02) 65C816 256K PRODOS16 MICRO 87 Apple IIgs (ROM 03) 65C816 1.25MB GS/OS MICRO 88 Apple III 6502 128K SOS MICRO 83 Apple III+ 6502 256K SOS MICRO 84 Lisa 1 68000 1MB LOS MICRO 83 Lisa 2 68000 512K LOS MICRO 84 Macintosh 128 68000 128K MACOS MICRO 84 Macintosh 512 68000 512K MACOS MICRO 84 Macintosh Plus 68010 1MB MACOS MICRO 86 Macintosh Plus Enh. 68010 512K MACOS MICRO 86 Macintosh XL 68000 512K MACOS MICRO 84 Applied Digital Data Systems-------------------------------------- Multivision 1 8085 64k CP/M MICRO 80 Multivision 2 8085 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Multivision 3 8085 192K CP/M MICRO 81 Applied Electronics----------------------------------------------- Model 10 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Model 15 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Applied Systems Corporation--------------------------------------- ASC 68000 68000 64K ?? MICRO 83 ASC Portable 8088 w/8085 32K ?? PORT. 83 AT&T-------------------------------------------------------------- 3704-040 ?? 1MB UNIX MICRO 86 3704-045 ?? 2MB UNIX MICRO 86 3704-065 ?? 2MB UNIX MICRO 86 3B2/300 WE32000 1MB UNIX MINI 86 3B2/400 WE32100 2MB UNIX MINI 86 7300A1 ?? 512K UNIX MICRO 86 7300A2 ?? 1MB UNIX MICRO 86 7300B1 ?? 512K UNIX MICRO 86 7300D1 ?? 512K UNIX MICRO 86 7300E2 ?? 1MB UNIX MICRO 86 Atari------------------------------------------------------------- 1040ST 68010 512K TOS MICRO 85 1200XL 6502C 64K ATRDOS MICRO 82 130XE 6502C 128K ATRDOS MICRO 85 400 6502 16K ATRDOS MICRO 79 520ST 68000 512K TOS MICRO 85 600XL 6502C 16K ATRDOS MICRO 83 65XE 6502C 64K ATRDOS MICRO 85 800 6502 48K ATRDOS MICRO 79 800XL 6502C 64K ATRDOS MICRO 83 Mega 2 68000 2MB ?? MICRO 87 Mega 4 68000 4MB ?? MICRO 87 XE Game System 6502C 64K ATRDOS MICRO 87 Auragen Systems Corporation--------------------------------------- System 4000 68010 ?? ?? ?? 84 Barreto Associates------------------------------------------------ MicroMaster Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Barrington International------------------------------------------ Elite Z80 256K CP/M MICRO 82 Barrister Info Systems-------------------------------------------- Law Office Manager Z80 ?? ?? ?? 75 Basis------------------------------------------------------------- Model 108 Z80 w/6502 64K CP/M MICRO 80 BBN Computer Corp.------------------------------------------------ C60 Z80 256K UNIX MINI 80 C70 Z80 256K UNIX MINI 81 Beehive Corp.----------------------------------------------------- The Topper Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Bell Computer Systems--------------------------------------------- Model 4 6502 64K ADOS 3.X MICRO 84 Bell and Howell--------------------------------------------------- Model 78400 6502 16K ?? MICRO 83 Model 78401 6502 16K ?? MICRO 83 Model 78402 6502 16K ?? MICRO 83 Model 3016D 6502 16K ?? MICRO 83 Model 3032D 6502 32K ?? MICRO 83 Model 3048D 6502 48K ?? MICRO 83 Berkel Systems---------------------------------------------------- Model 4410 6502 16K ?? MICRO 74 Billings Computer Corp.------------------------------------------- System 500 II Z80 56K TDOS MICRO 82 System 6000B Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 82 System 6000 II Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 82 System 6000 X Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 82 System 6000 XII Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 82 BC-12FD Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 79 BlackHawk Computers----------------------------------------------- BlackHawk 3 8085 64K ?? MICRO 79 BlackHawk 4 8085 64K ?? MICRO 79 BMC, Inc.--------------------------------------------------------- BMC-800 Model 20C Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 BMC-800 Model 20G Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Bondwell Computers------------------------------------------------ BW2 Z80C 64K CP/M MICRO 85 BW12 Z80A 64K CP/M MICRO 85 BW14 Z80A 128K CP/M MICRO 85 BW16 Z80A 128K CP/M MICRO 85 BOS Systems------------------------------------------------------- BOS-M Z80 w/80186 64K TDOS MICRO 81 Cyte 86 Z80 w/80186 64K TDOS MICRO 82 BTI Computer Systems---------------------------------------------- BTI 4800 Z80 w/8088 64K ?? ?? 84 BTI 5000 Mark II Z80 w/80186 64K ?? ?? 83 BTI 5000/ES Z80 w/80186 64K ?? ?? 83 BTI 6000 Z80 W/8088 128K ?? ?? 84 BTI 8000 BTI8000 24MB ?? ?? 85 Burroughs Corp.--------------------------------------------------- B1800 Z80 w/80186 64K ?? MICRO 83 B1910 Z80 w/80186 128K ?? MICRO 83 B1913 Z80 w/80186 128K ?? MICRO 83 OW400 8085 64K ?? MICRO 82 CADO Systems------------------------------------------------------ CAT III 8085 64K ?? MICRO 82 System 20/20 8085 48K ?? MICRO 78 System 20/28 8085 96K ?? MICRO 83 CCG--------------------------------------------------------------- Micro 11 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 83 Ultra 11/730 ?? ?? UNIX MINI 83 Ultra 11/750 ?? ?? UNIX MINI 83 Ultra PDP 11/44 ?? ?? UNIX MINI 83 Ultra PDP 11/73 ?? ?? UNIX MINI 83 Ultra PDP 11/23 ?? ?? UNIX MINI 83 California Computer Systems--------------------------------------- Model 1000 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Model 3000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 System 200 Z80 32K CP/M MICRO 81 System 300 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 System 400 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 System 410 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 System 420 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Callan Data Systems----------------------------------------------- CD 100 ?? ?? UNIX MINI 81 CD 100M 68000 256K UNIX ?? 82 UniStar 100 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 UniStar 200 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 UniStar 300 NS16032 512K UNIX ?? 84 Canaan Computer Corp.--------------------------------------------- 5410Z ?? ?? ?? ?? 85 5412-P1 68000 1MB ?? ?? 84 5412-P2 68000 1MB ?? ?? 84 Canon, Inc.------------------------------------------------------- TX-10/15 6809 16K ?? MICRO 80 Casio, Inc.------------------------------------------------------- FX-9000 6809 4K ?? MICRO 83 Computer Consoles, Inc.------------------------------------------- Power 5/20 68000 1MB ?? ?? 84 Control Data Corp.------------------------------------------------ Cyber 18 6809 16K ?? MICRO 76 Model 110 6809 64K ?? MICRO 83 Computer Enhancement Corp.---------------------------------------- CE Micro 1 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 Centurion Computer Corp.------------------------------------------ Model 100 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Model 200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Model 5200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 Model 5300 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 Model 6100 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Model 6200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Model 6300 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Model 6400 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Model 6500 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Model 7100 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 Model 9200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 Micro Plus ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 Century Computer Corp.-------------------------------------------- System 300 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 System 400 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 System 700 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 System 900 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 Vanguard 8000 Z80 w/8085 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Vanguard 8200 Z80 w/8085 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Vanguard 8500 Z80 w/8085 128K CP/M MICRO 82 X1000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 X2000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 Challenge Systems, Inc.------------------------------------------- CS1000 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Charles River Data Systems---------------------------------------- Universe 32/115T 68020 1MB ?? ?? 85 Universe 32/137T 68020 1MB ?? ?? 85 Universe 32/35 68020 1MB ?? ?? 85 Universe 65/115T 68000 ?? ?? ?? 85 Universe 68/05 68000 256K ?? ?? 82 Universe 68/137T 68000 512K ?? ?? 84 Universe 68/67 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 Universe 68/35 68000 512K ?? ?? 84 Universe 2402 68000 ?? ?? ?? 85 Universe 2403 68000 512K ?? ?? 84 Charter Information Corp.----------------------------------------- System 4 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 83 CIE Systems, Inc.------------------------------------------------- 680/20 68000 256K ?? ?? 83 680/30-10 68000 256K ?? ?? 83 680/35 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 680/40 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 680/50 68020 1MB ?? ?? 87 680/100 68000 512K ?? ?? 84 680/150 68020 8MB ?? ?? 87 680/200 68000 512K ?? ?? 84 CMC Systems------------------------------------------------------- SuperSystem 1 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 SuperSystem 2 Z80 w/80186 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Codex Corporation------------------------------------------------- Model 268/21 68000 ?? ?? MICRO 83 Model 268/24 6809 192K ?? MICRO 82 Model 268/44 6809 192K ?? MICRO 82 Colby Computer---------------------------------------------------- MacColby 128 68000 128K MACOS MICRO 84 MacColby 512 68000 512K MACOS MICRO 84 Coleco Industries, Inc.------------------------------------------- ADAM Z80 80K ?? MICRO 83 Colonial Data Services-------------------------------------------- SB80 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Columbia Data Products-------------------------------------------- Commander 500 Z80 32K CP/M MICRO 79 Commander 964 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 Commander F64 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 Commander FX Z80 96K CP/M MICRO 79 Commander M64 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 Comark Corp.------------------------------------------------------ Disktor M1 Z80 w/6502 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Disktor M3 8085 64K ?? MICRO 83 Disktor Q ?? ?? ?? MICRO 83 MB 85/285 ?? ?? CP/M MICRO 79 Commodore--------------------------------------------------------- 128C 8502 w/Z80 128K CBMOS MICRO 85 128D 8502 w/Z80 128K CBMOS MICRO 87 16 6510 16K ?? MICRO 84 64 6510 64K CBMOS MICRO 82 655 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Amiga 1000 68000 256K AMIGAOS MICRO 86 Amiga 500 68000 512K AMIGAOS MICRO 86 CBM 3008 6502 8K ?? MICRO ?? CBM 3016 6502 16K ?? MICRO ?? CBM 3032 6502 32K ?? MICRO ?? CBM 4004 6502 4K ?? MICRO 79 CBM 4008 6502 8K ?? MICRO 79 CBM 4016 6502 16K ?? MICRO 79 CBM 4032 6502 32K ?? MICRO 79 CBM 8008 6502 8K ?? MICRO ?? CBM 8016 6502 16K ?? MICRO ?? CBM 8032 6502 32K ?? MICRO ?? CBM 8032 6502 32K ?? MICRO 79 CBM 8096 6502 ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM 8296 6502 ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B128-40 ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B128-80HP ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B128-80LP ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B256-40 ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B256-80HP ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B256-80LP ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B500 ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM SP9000 ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? Executive 64 6510 64K CBMOS PORT. 83 PET 2001 6502 ?? ?? MICRO 79 PET 2001B 6502 ?? ?? MICRO 79 PET 2001N 6502 ?? ?? MICRO 79 Plus 4 6510 64K ?? MICRO 84 SuperPET 6502 w/6809 96K ?? MICRO 81 VIC-20 6502 5K ?? MICRO 81 Compal Computer Systems------------------------------------------- 8200+ Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 Electric Briefcase Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 EZ Type Z80 w/8088 64K CP/M MICRO 83 CompTech---------------------------------------------------------- EVE II 6502 w/Z80 64K ?? MICRO 85 CompuCorp--------------------------------------------------------- Model 745 Z80 192K CP/M MICRO 83 Model 799 Z80 192K CP/M MICRO 83 Compupro Systems-------------------------------------------------- MP-10 Z80 w/8088 1MB CP/M MICRO 83 System 816/10 Z80 w/8088 1MB CP/M MICRO 84 System 816/A 8085 w/8088 128K CP/M MICRO 82 System 816/B 8085 w/8088 256K CP/M MICRO 82 System 816/C 8085 w/8088 512K CP/M MICRO 82 System 816/E 68000 256K CP/M MICRO 84 System 816/G ?? 1MB CP/M MICRO 84 System 816/GG Z80 w/68000 512K CP/M MICRO 84 System 816/Z Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 84 The Computerist--------------------------------------------------- Focus 6809 30K FLEX MICRO 82 Covergent Technologies-------------------------------------------- MiniFrame 68010 512K ?? MICRO 86 MiniFrame Plus 68010 512K ?? MICRO 86 MightyFrame 68020 1MB ?? MICRO 86 Cortex Systems---------------------------------------------------- Microdent 1 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 Microdent 2 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 Cromemco, Inc.---------------------------------------------------- C10 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 CS-1 Z80 w/68000 256K CROMIX MICRO 82 CS100 Z80 w/68010 2MB ?? MICRO 85 CS110 Z80 w/68010 2MB ?? MICRO 86 CS115 68020 2MB UNIX MICRO 87 CS120 68020 4MB ?? MICRO 86 CS200 68010 1MB ?? MINI 86 CS220 68020 2MB ?? MINI 86 CS300 Z80 w/68010 2MB ?? MINI 86 CS400 Z80 w/68010 2MB ?? MINI 86 CS420 68020 4MB ?? MINI 86 D System 1 Z80 w/68000 512K ?? MICRO 82 D System 100 68000 2MB UNIX ?? 84 D System 3 Z80 w/68000 512K ?? MICRO 83 D System 300 68000 2MB UNIX ?? 84 Z System 0 Z80 1MB ?? MICRO 82 Z System 1 Z80 256K ?? MICRO 82 Z System 2 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 Z System 3 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 CYB Systems------------------------------------------------------- MultiBox I 68000 256K UNIX ?? 82 MultiBox II 68000 768K UNIX ?? 82 Cyberchron-------------------------------------------------------- C21 68000 4MB ?? ?? 83 C41 68000 4MB ?? ?? 83 C45 68000 4MB ?? ?? 83 CDS-201 68000 64K ?? ?? 79 CDS-231 68000 64K ?? ?? 83 Data General Corp------------------------------------------------- CB/50 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 CEO ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 CS/10 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 CS/100 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 CS/20 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 CS/200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 CS/30 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 CS/40 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 CS/5 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 CS/50 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 CS/60 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 CS/70 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 Eclipse C/150 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Eclipse C/350 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 Eclipse MV/4000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 Eclipse S/120 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Eclipse S/130 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Eclipse S/140 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 Eclipse S/250 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Eclipse S/280 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Enterprise 1000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Enterprise 3000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 MPT/100 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 MPT/80 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Nova 3 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Nova 4 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Datamac Computer Systems------------------------------------------ Series 1200 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Datapoint Corp.--------------------------------------------------- Model 1560 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Model 8600 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 Model 8800 ?? ?? CP/M MICRO 81 Series 1800 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 Series 4000 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 Series 6600 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 78 Datavue Corp.----------------------------------------------------- 80/100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 80/200 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 80/300 Z80 w/80186 64K CP/M MICRO 81 80/400 Z80 w/80186 64K CP/M MICRO 83 3000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 DEC--------------------------------------------------------------- Correspondent ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Datasystem 150 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Datasystem 208 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 Datasystem 300 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Datasystem 315 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Datasystem 320 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Datasystem 336 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Datasystem 356 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Datasystem 500 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Datasystem 512 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 DECMate II ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 Micro/PDP-11 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 MicroVAX I ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 PDP-11/23 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 PDP-11/24 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 PDP-11/34 ?? ?? ?? ?? 76 PDP-11/44 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 PDP-11/70 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 Professional 300 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 Professional 325 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Professional 350 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Professional 380 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 Rainbow 100 Z80 w/8088 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Rainbow 100+ Z80 w/8088 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Robin ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 VAX-11/730 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 VAX-11/750 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 Deltadata Systems Corp.------------------------------------------- D8000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Micro Manager Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Delta Products Inc.----------------------------------------------- Delta One Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Delta Two Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Delta Four Z80 256K CP/M MICRO 83 DP/Net ?? ?? ?? MICRO 83 DP/125 ?? ?? CP/M MICRO 83 Digicomp Research------------------------------------------------- System 100 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 Digidyne---------------------------------------------------------- 5832 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 77 5864 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 80 Series 200 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 82 Digital Microsystems---------------------------------------------- DMS-3 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 DMS-4 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 80 DMS-15 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 DMS-86 Z80 w/8086 256K CP/M MICRO 82 DMS-1280 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 DMS-5080 Z80 w/8086 256K CP/M MICRO 82 DMS-5086 Z80 w/8086 256K CP/M MICRO 82 Digital Technology------------------------------------------------ Model 580 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 Digitex----------------------------------------------------------- Model 7100 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Model 7200 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Model 7300 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Model 7500 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Model 8100 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Model 8200 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Model 8300 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Model 8500 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Dimension Computer Corp.------------------------------------------ 1000 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 82 1020 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 82 2010 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 82 3010 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 83 3020 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 83 Direct, Inc.------------------------------------------------------ Model 1000 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 Model 1025 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Model 1031 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Display Data Corp.------------------------------------------------ Insight Z80 64K ?? ?? 74 DMC Systems------------------------------------------------------- Commfile Z80 16K CP/M MICRO 78 Docutel----------------------------------------------------------- BCS 2025 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 BCS 2030 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 DC-M18 68000 100K MS-DOS MICRO 84 M10 8085 8K ?? PORT. 84 M20 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 83 P6060 Z80 48K ?? MICRO 77 S6000 Z8000 64K ?? MICRO 81 DTC--------------------------------------------------------------- 710 8085 64K ?? MICRO 83 A22 8085 256K UNIX MICRO 83 B23 8085 256K UNIX MICRO 82 Micro 210A 8085 64K ?? MICRO 81 Micro 210B 8085 64K ?? MICRO 81 Data Technology Industries---------------------------------------- Associate Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 79 Dual Systems Control Corp.---------------------------------------- 83/20 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 83/80 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 83/500 68000 2MB UNIX ?? 84 Durango Systems Inc.---------------------------------------------- 800 8085 64K CP/M MICRO 79 800XR 8085 64K CP/M MICRO 83 900 8085 64K CP/M MICRO 83 910 8085 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Dynabyte Business Computers--------------------------------------- 6600 Z80 w/8086 256K CP/M MICRO 82 6900 Z80 w/8086 256K CP/M MICRO 82 Monarch 6000 Z80 w/8086 256K CP/M MICRO 82 Eagle Computer Inc.----------------------------------------------- Eagle IIE Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Eagle III Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Eagle IV Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 ECS Microsystems-------------------------------------------------- ECS 4500 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 ECS 4650 Z80 80K CP/M MICRO 82 EEC Systems, Inc.------------------------------------------------- Micropower/23 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Micropower/W ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Elan Computers---------------------------------------------------- Enterprise 64 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 Enterprise 128 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 84 Epic Computers---------------------------------------------------- Episode 2296 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Epson, Inc.------------------------------------------------------- Geneva PX-8 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 HX-20 Z80 16K ?? PORT. 83 QX-10 Z80 256K ?? MICRO 83 QX-16 Z80 512K ?? MICRO 84 Esprit Computer Products------------------------------------------ Model S1000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Model S1016 Z80 w/80186 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Model S1500 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Model S1516 Z80 w/80186 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Model S1800 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Model 900 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 81 ETR, Inc.--------------------------------------------------------- Star System Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Eve Computers----------------------------------------------------- Eve II PC 6502 w/Z80 64K ADOS 3.X MICRO 84 Eve Portable 6502 w/Z80 64K ADOS 3.X PORT. 84 Evolution Computer Systems---------------------------------------- Model 140 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Model 160 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Model 240 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Model 260 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Model 280 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Exo Systems------------------------------------------------------- System 5 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 System 8 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 System 58 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Exxon Office Systems---------------------------------------------- 510 Info. Processor Z80 64K ?? MICRO 81 520 Info. Processor Z80 64K ?? MICRO 81 530 Info. Processor Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 8400 Series Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 Facit, Inc.------------------------------------------------------- Model 6500 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 FI Electronics---------------------------------------------------- Series 7240 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 81 Financial Business Computers-------------------------------------- FBC Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 Findex------------------------------------------------------------ Model 0X1 Z80 48K CP/M MICRO 83 Model 0X2 Z80 48K CP/M MICRO 83 Model 9X1 Z80 48K CP/M MICRO 83 Formation, Inc.--------------------------------------------------- F/4000-101 AMD2900 1MB ?? ?? 81 F/4000-201 AMD2900 1MB ?? ?? 81 F/4000-301 AMD2900 1MB ?? ?? 81 Fortune Systems Corp.--------------------------------------------- 32:16 PS-10 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 32:16 PS-20 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 32:16 68000 128K UNIX ?? 81 32:16 XP-20 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 32:16 XP-30 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 Fortune Formula 68020 ?? UNIX ?? 86 SX45 68000 1MB ?? ?? 85 SX45T 68000 1MB ?? ?? 85 SX70 68000 1MB ?? ?? 85 XP45 68000 512K ?? ?? 85 Forward Technology------------------------------------------------ Grpahics Workstation 68000 256K UNIX ?? 82 Four-Phase Systems------------------------------------------------ IV/40 ?? ?? ?? ?? 73 IV/50 ?? ?? ?? ?? 76 IV/70 ?? ?? ?? ?? 70 IV/60 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 IV/65 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 IV/80 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 IV/90 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 IV/95 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 Franklin Computer Corp.------------------------------------------- Ace 10 6502 ?? ADOS 3.X MICRO 82 Ace 1100 6502 ?? ADOS 3.X MICRO 82 Ace 1000 6502 64K ADOS 3.X MICRO 82 Ace 1200 6502 w/Z80 128K ADOS 3.X MICRO 83 Ace 500 6502 64K ADOS 3.X MICRO 83 Fujitsu, Inc.----------------------------------------------------- Micro 16S Z80 w/8086 128K ?? MICRO 83 Garrett Computing Systems----------------------------------------- GSC/440 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 GEAC Computers---------------------------------------------------- System 2000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 General Automation------------------------------------------------ Model 930 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 83 Model 940 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 83 Model 950 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 83 Zebra 700 68000 256K XENIX MICRO 84 Zebra 750 68000 128K XENIX MICRO 84 Zebra 1000 68000 256K XENIX MICRO 82 Zebra 1500 68000 256K XENIX MICRO 82 Zebra 2000 68000 1MB XENIX MICRO 82 Zebra 2500 68000 256K XENIX MICRO 82 Zebra 3000 68000 1MB XENIX MICRO 82 Zebra 3500 68000 256K XENIX MICRO 82 Zebra 5500 68000 1MB XENIX MICRO 82 General Robotics-------------------------------------------------- BA500 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 BA800L ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 Gemini 68000 64K ?? ?? 83 Scorpio 68000 64K ?? ?? 81 Super Gemini 68000 64K ?? ?? 81 Super Pegasus 68000 64K ?? ?? 77 Super Tristar 68000 64K ?? ?? 83 Hagen Systems----------------------------------------------------- Mark Ten ?? ?? ?? ?? 73 Harris Corp.------------------------------------------------------ H60 68000 768K ?? ?? 84 H600 68000 1.5MB ?? ?? 83 H700 68000 384K ?? ?? 82 Model 1640 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Model 1650 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Heurikon Corp.---------------------------------------------------- HK68 68000 128K UNIX ?? 84 Minibox 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 MLZ Z80 16K ?? ?? 83 Modular Box 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 Hon Computing Systems--------------------------------------------- Hon IV ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 Hon V ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 Honeywell Bull, Inc.---------------------------------------------- DPS 6/40 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 DPS 6/45 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Level 6-23 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 Level 6-33 ?? ?? ?? ?? 76 Level 6-37 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Level 6-43 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 Level 6-47 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 Level 6-53 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 Level 6-57 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 System XPS-100-10 68010 512K ?? ?? 86 System XPS-100-20 68020 2MB ?? ?? 86 System XPS-100-40 68020 4MB ?? ?? 86 HP---------------------------------------------------------------- HP 1000 Series ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 HP 300 Series ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 HP 3000 Series ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 HP 85A ?? 16K ?? MICRO 82 HP 85B ?? ?? ?? MICRO 86 HP 86B Z80 128K ?? MICRO 83 HP 87XM ?? 128K ?? MICRO 82 HP 9825B ?? ?? ?? ?? 76 HP 9845B ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 HP 9915 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 Series 100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Series 200 68000 512K CP/M MICRO 82 Integrated Business Computers------------------------------------- C-1064R Z80B 64K ?? ?? 84 Cadet Z80B 256K ?? MICRO 84 Ensign 68010 1MB ?? ?? 84 Ensign 386:100 68020 ?? ?? ?? 87 Ensign 682:100 68020 ?? ?? ?? 87 Ensign Oasis 68000 1MB ?? ?? 84 Middi-Cadet Z80 256K ?? MICRO 79 Middi-Cadet High Perf. Z80H 512K ?? MICRO 84 Multi-Star I Z80B 256K ?? MICRO 84 Multi-Star II Z80B 256K ?? MICRO 84 Super Cadet Z80H 320K ?? MICRO 84 System 68 68000 512K ?? MICRO 84 IBM--------------------------------------------------------------- 6/430 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 5110 ?? ?? ?? ?? 76 5120 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 8130 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 8140 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 System 34 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 System 36 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 System 38 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 ICL, Inc.--------------------------------------------------------- DRS20 8085 w/8088 150K ?? MICRO 82 Immediate Business Systems---------------------------------------- FS 2000 8085 w/8088 32K ?? ?? 83 IMPC-------------------------------------------------------------- Access Matrix Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Impelco----------------------------------------------------------- IMP 800C Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 IMP 816C Z80 w/8086 256K ?? MICRO 84 IMS International------------------------------------------------- 5000IS Z80 w/80186 128K TDOS MICRO 82 5000SX Z80 w/80186 128K TDOS MICRO 81 8000S Z80 w/8088 128K TDOS MICRO 81 8000SX Z80 w/80186 128K TDOS MICRO 81 Information Devices----------------------------------------------- Micro Plus Z80 w/8086 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Infotecs, Inc.---------------------------------------------------- Control Center 2 Z80 w/8086 64K CP/M MICRO 79 Innotronics------------------------------------------------------- Model 6100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 Intecolor Corporation--------------------------------------------- 3651 8080 32K ?? MICRO 80 8052 8080 8K ?? MICRO 77 8352 8080 8K ?? MICRO 77 Intelligent Systems----------------------------------------------- Intecolor 8050 8080 8K ?? MICRO 77 Intecolor 8064 8080 8K ?? MICRO 79 Intelligent Graphics 8080 64K ?? MICRO 82 Interphase Corp.-------------------------------------------------- Baseboard SBC 68000 512K ?? MICRO 84 Intersil Systems, Inc.-------------------------------------------- 1SB-80/85 Z80 w/8085 64K ?? MICRO 83 1SB-809/85 Z80 w/8085 64K ?? MICRO 83 Intertec Data Systems--------------------------------------------- Compustar VPU 10 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 Compustar VPU 20 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 Compustar VPU 30 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 Compustar VPU 40 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 Headstart VPU 128 Z80 w/8086 128K CP/M MICRO 84 Headstart VPU 512 Z80 w/8086 512K CP/M MICRO 84 Headstart VPU 1000 Z80 w/8086 1MB CP/M MICRO 84 Super Brain II Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Ithaca Intersystems----------------------------------------------- Encore 580 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Encore 880 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Encore 58000 68000 256K XENIX MICRO 83 Ithaca 525 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Jacquard, Inc.---------------------------------------------------- J100 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 75 J200 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 82 J300 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 82 J425 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 77 J500 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 78 J6000 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 87 Jade Computer Products-------------------------------------------- System III Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 Jonos International----------------------------------------------- C2000 Z80A 64K ?? MICRO 85 C2100 Z80A w/8085 64K ?? MICRO 85 C2150 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 84 C2500 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 84 C2550 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 84 C2600 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 84 Escort C2100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Escort C2500 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Kaypro Corp.------------------------------------------------------ Kaypro 2x300 Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 84 Kaypro 4 Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 83 Kaypro 10 Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 83 Kaypro II Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 82 Kaypro II Plus 88 Z80 w/8088 256K CP/M PORT. 84 Kaypro IV Plus 88 Z80 w/8088 256K CP/M PORT. 84 Robie 300 Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 84 Kontron Electronics----------------------------------------------- PSI 80 Z80 32K CP/M MICRO 81 Kowin Computer Corp.---------------------------------------------- Kowin II 68000 3MB ?? ?? 87 Kowin II Plus 68000 3MB ?? ?? 87 Kowin III 68020 3MB ?? ?? 87 Lanier Business Products------------------------------------------ Computereze Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 Shared System II ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 LMC--------------------------------------------------------------- System I NS16032 512K ?? ?? 84 System II NS16032 1MB ?? ?? 84 System III NS16032 1MB ?? ?? 84 LNW Corp.--------------------------------------------------------- LNW 80-I Z80 48K CP/M MICRO 81 LNW 80-II Z80 96K CP/M MICRO 81 Lobo Systems, Inc.------------------------------------------------ Max-80 Z80B 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Logical Business Machines----------------------------------------- Adam ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 David ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 Goliath ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 Tina ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 MAI--------------------------------------------------------------- Basic Four Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 System 110 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 System 210 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 System 310 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 System 510 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 System 710 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 System S/10 Z80 128K ?? ?? 82 System S/80 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 Martec International---------------------------------------------- IBEX 2000 Z80 32K CP/M MICRO 77 IBEX 7000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 77 Matrox Electronic Systems----------------------------------------- MACS-10 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 Multitech Electronics, Inc.--------------------------------------- MIC-501 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 MIC-504 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Memotech Corp.---------------------------------------------------- MTX 512 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 Microcomputer Technology------------------------------------------ MOD III Z80 16K CP/M MICRO 80 Personal Executive Z80 1MB CP/M MICRO 82 Microcraft Corp.-------------------------------------------------- Dimension 68000 512K ?? ?? 84 Microdata Corp.--------------------------------------------------- 7608 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 7905 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 7907 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 7915 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 7917 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 Reality 600 ?? ?? ?? ?? 73 Reality 2000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 Reality 4000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 73 Reality 7000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Reality 8000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Sovereign 7920 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Sovereign 7930 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 Sovereign 7940 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Micro-Expander, Inc.---------------------------------------------- Expander Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Micromation, Inc.------------------------------------------------- M/System Z80 w/8088 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Mariner 9000 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 81 Microsystems International---------------------------------------- Multinet Z80 w/8086 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Milwaukee Computers----------------------------------------------- MC-100 Z80 w/6502 64K ?? MICRO 83 Mini-Computer Systems--------------------------------------------- Micos 100 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 Micos 200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 73 Micos 300 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 Mohawk Data Sciences Corp.---------------------------------------- Model 21/10 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Model 21/20 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 Model 21/40 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 Model 21/50 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 Model 21/60 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Model 21/70 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Momentum Computer Systems----------------------------------------- Model 32 68000 512K UNIX MICRO 83 Monroe Systems---------------------------------------------------- EC 8800 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 Microdecision 1 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 OC 8810 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 OC 8820 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 OC 8828 Z80 256K CP/M MICRO 81 Morrow Designs, Inc.---------------------------------------------- Decision 1 D120 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Decision 1 D200 Z80 256K CP/M MICRO 82 Decision 1 D210 Z80 256K CP/M MICRO 82 Decision 1 D220 Z80 512K CP/M MICRO 82 Microdecision MD 1 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Microdecision MD 2 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Microdecision MD 3 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Microdecision MD 3P Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Microdecision MD 5 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 84 Microdecision MD 11 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Microdecision MD 16 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Microdecision MD 34 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Tricep 68000 256K UNIX MICRO 84 Mostek Corp.------------------------------------------------------ Matrix-80 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 Motorola---------------------------------------------------------- Exormacs 68000 512K UNIX MICRO 83 Exorset 110 6809 56K ?? MICRO 83 M-6809 6809 64K ?? MICRO 78 VME/10 68000 384K UNIX MICRO 83 MSI Data---------------------------------------------------------- MSI/88S 68000 56K ?? MICRO 82 Musys Corp.------------------------------------------------------- NetWork 8816 Z80 128K TDOS MICRO 83 NetWork 8820 Z80 128K TDOS MICRO 84 Nabu Manufacturing------------------------------------------------ Personal Computer Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 NBI, Inc.--------------------------------------------------------- System 1 68000 ?? UNIX ?? 84 Technical Workstation 68000 1MB UNIX ?? 84 NCR Corp.--------------------------------------------------------- Decision Mate V Z80 w/8088 64K ?? MICRO 83 I-9010 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 I-9020 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 I-9040 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 PC-8 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 PC-8/16 Z80 w/8088 64K ?? MICRO 82 NEC--------------------------------------------------------------- PC6000 Z80 16K ?? MICRO 83 PC6001A Z80 16K ?? MICRO 86 PC8201A Z80 16K ?? MICRO 83 PC8401A Z80 64K ?? MICRO 85 PC8800 Z80 w/80086 64K ?? MICRO 83 PC8801A Z80 w/8086 64K ?? MICRO 86 Astra 200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 Astra 205 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Astra 210 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Astra 230 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Astra 250 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Astra 270 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Astra 330 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 Astra 350 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 Astra 370 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 Nelma Data Corp.-------------------------------------------------- Persona Z80 ?? ?? MICRO 82 Persona II Z80 w/8088 192K ?? MICRO 83 New England Digital----------------------------------------------- A-40 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 77 A-60 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 78 Nixdorf Computer Corp.-------------------------------------------- Model 80 ?? ?? ?? ?? 70 Model 600 ?? ?? ?? ?? 76 Model 8810 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Model 8845 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Model 8870/M15 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 Model 8870/1 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 Model 8870/3 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Model 8890/10 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 Model 8890/30 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 Model 8890/50 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 NNC Electronics--------------------------------------------------- System 80 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 System 80W Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 NorthStar Computers----------------------------------------------- Advantage 8/16 Z80 w/8088 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Advantage Z80 w/80186 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Horizon 8/16 Z80 w/8088 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Horizon Z80 w/8088 128K CP/M MICRO 77 Northern Telecom Terminal Sys.------------------------------------ 405 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 445 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 503 8085 256K ?? MICRO 81 M4120 68000 1MB ?? MICRO 86 M4121 68000 1MB ?? MICRO 86 M4122 68000 1MB ?? MICRO 86 Ohio Scientific--------------------------------------------------- MasterKey 220 6502 48K OS-65 MICRO 83 MasterKey 230 6502 52K OS-65 MICRO 82 MasterKey 250 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 82 MasterKey 330 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 83 MasterKey 350 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 82 MasterKey 2301 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 83 OSI-710 SuperMicro 68010 ?? ?? MICRO 85 OSI-720 SuperMicro 68010 ?? ?? MICRO 85 WorkSystem 200 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 84 WorkSystem 300 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 84 Olympia USA, Inc.------------------------------------------------- OPC 6502 52K ?? MICRO 82 Omni-Source------------------------------------------------------- OS-26 Z80B 192K ?? MICRO 84 OS-48 Z80B 192K ?? MICRO 84 OS-526 Z80B 320K ?? MICRO 84 OS-548 Z80B 320K ?? MICRO 84 OS-826 Z80B 320K ?? MICRO 84 OS-848 Z80B 320K ?? MICRO 84 Ontel Corp.------------------------------------------------------- 1505 Z80 w/6502 16K ?? MICRO 83 1507 Z80 w/6502 64K ?? MICRO 83 Amigo Z80 w/6502 64K ?? MICRO 82 Onyx Systems Inc.------------------------------------------------- 6810 68000 1MB ?? MICRO 84 C8001 Z80 256K ?? MICRO 79 C8002 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 C8002A ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Sundance 16 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Sundance ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Sundance II ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 System 2000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 System 3000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 System 4000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 Osborne Computer-------------------------------------------------- Osborne 1 Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 81 Osborne Executive Z80 128K CP/M PORT. 83 Vixen Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 84 OSM Computer Corp.------------------------------------------------ Zeus 2 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 Zeus 2-16 Z80 w/8088 320K ?? MICRO 83 Zeus 3 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 82 Zeus 3X ?? ?? ?? MICRO 85 Zeus 4 Z80 w/8088 64K ?? MICRO 83 Zeus 16 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 83 Otrona Corp.------------------------------------------------------ Attache Z80A 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Panasonic--------------------------------------------------------- Link HHC 6502 4K ?? MICRO 83 RL-H 6502 8K ?? MICRO 81 PCE Systems------------------------------------------------------- Voyager I ?? ?? ?? MICRO 78 Voyager II ?? ?? ?? MICRO 78 Pegasus Data Systems---------------------------------------------- Peanut Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Pegasus Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Personal Microcomputers, Inc.------------------------------------- PMC Micromate Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 PMC 80 Z80 16K ?? MICRO 80 PMC 81 Z80 16K ?? MICRO 81 PMC 101 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Pertec Computer Corp---------------------------------------------- 2000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 3000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 3200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 XL50 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 Phoenix Digital Corp.--------------------------------------------- CPW 09 6809 128K OS-9 MICRO 80 Optoview 100 6809 128K OS-9 MICRO 80 Plessy Peripheral Systems----------------------------------------- System-24 ?? ?? ?? MINI 83 System-44 ?? ?? ?? MINI 83 Plexus Computers, Inc.-------------------------------------------- P/25 68000 512K UNIX ?? 82 P/35 68000 512K UNIX ?? 82 Point Four Data--------------------------------------------------- Mark 3 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Mark 5 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Mark 8 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 Polo Microsystems, Inc.------------------------------------------- Polo System I Z80 w/80188 128K CP/M MICRO 84 Polymorphic Systems----------------------------------------------- Model 813 Z80 256K ?? MICRO 77 Model 8810 Z80 w/80186 256K ?? MICRO 83 Pragmatic Design-------------------------------------------------- Inspector 200 Z80 w/80186 128K ?? MICRO 81 Product Associates------------------------------------------------ Z Disk I Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Z Disk II Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Z Disk III Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Q1 Corporation---------------------------------------------------- Microlite II Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Quasar Data Products---------------------------------------------- QDP-100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 QDP-200 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 QDP-300 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Quasar Company---------------------------------------------------- HHC 6502 2K ?? ?? 83 Quasitronics------------------------------------------------------ Q-5048 Z80 16K ?? MICRO 82 Quay-------------------------------------------------------------- 90 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 77 500 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 900 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 910M ?? ?? CP/M MICRO 82 Rabbit Computer, Inc.--------------------------------------------- Wrap Bit II Z80 80K ?? MICRO 83 Rair Microcomputer Corp.------------------------------------------ Black Box 3/30 8085 64K ?? MICRO 81 Black Box 3/50 8085 256K ?? MICRO 82 Business Computer 8085 w/8088 256K ?? MICRO 82 Sage Computer Technology------------------------------------------ Sage II 68000 128K ?? ?? 83 Sage IV 68000 256K ?? ?? 83 Sanyo Business Systems Corp.-------------------------------------- MBC-1000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 MBC-1100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 MBC-1150 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 85 MBC-1160 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 85 MBC-1200 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 MBC-1250 Z80 (x2) 64K CP/M MICRO 85 MBC-2000 8085 64K ?? MICRO 82 MBC-3000 8085 64K ?? MICRO 82 MBC-4050 Z80 w/8086 128K ?? MICRO 85 PHC-20 8085 4K ?? ?? 83 Scenic Computer Systems------------------------------------------- Scenic 8085 70K ?? MICRO 81 Scientific Data Systems------------------------------------------- 420 6502 32K ?? MICRO 79 Seattle Computer Products----------------------------------------- Gazelle I 8086 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Seequa Computer--------------------------------------------------- Chameleon Z80 w/8088 128K ?? MICRO 83 PC Z80 w/8088 128K ?? MICRO 84 XT Z80 w/8088 256K ?? MICRO 84 Sharp Electronics------------------------------------------------- PC-1211 6809 2K ?? ?? 81 PC-1250A 6809 ?? ?? ?? 84 PC-1260 6809 4K ?? ?? 84 PC-1261 6809 10K ?? ?? 84 PC-1350 6809 5K ?? ?? 84 PC-1500A 6809 8K ?? ?? 83 System 100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 System 200 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Sierra Computer Systems------------------------------------------- CX Workstation 68020 2MB ?? ?? 86 Sierra National--------------------------------------------------- 3000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 4000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 Sinclair Research, Ltd.------------------------------------------- ZX81 Z80A 1K ?? MICRO 85 SKS Computers----------------------------------------------------- SKS 1000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Solo Systems------------------------------------------------------ 1116 Solostation 68000 1MB ?? ?? 84 Sony Video Communications----------------------------------------- SMC-70 Z80 w/8086 256K ?? MICRO 82 Sord Computers, Inc.---------------------------------------------- IS-11 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 IS-11C Z80A 80K ?? MICRO 87 M 23 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 83 M 68 Z80 w/68000 256K ?? MICRO 83 M 68MX 68000 512K ?? MICRO 87 Southern Computer Systems----------------------------------------- Series 8000 8088 w/8085 128K ?? MICRO 83 Sperry Corporation------------------------------------------------ BC/7-600 Z80 48K ?? MICRO 83 Mapper 5 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 Star Technologies, Inc.------------------------------------------- M1 68000 512K ?? ?? 82 Ministar 200 68000 512K ?? ?? 81 Ministar 1200 68000 128K ?? ?? 83 Nanostar 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 Stride Micro------------------------------------------------------ 420 68000 256K ?? ?? 84 440 68000 256K ?? ?? 84 460 68000 256K ?? ?? 84 Sumicom, Inc.----------------------------------------------------- 830 Z80 128K CP/M ?? 83 Systems Group----------------------------------------------------- 2900 Z80 128K ?? ?? 81 ExpressLine 68000 768K ?? ?? 83 Syzygy------------------------------------------------------------ Syzygy Computer System Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Tandy Corporation------------------------------------------------- 4D Micro Z80A 64K ?? MICRO 85 102 80C85 32K ?? PORT. 86 200 80C85 24K ?? PORT. 85 6000 68000 512K ?? MICRO 84 Color Computer 2 6809E 64K ?? MICRO 84 Color Computer 3 6809E 128K ?? MICRO 86 PC-4 Z80 ?? ?? PORT. 83 PC-5 Z80 ?? ?? PORT. 85 PC-6 Z80 8K ?? PORT. 86 Color Computer 6809 16K ?? MICRO 84 Micro Color Computer 6809 64K ?? MICRO 84 TRS-80 Model 4P Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 TRS-80 Model 12 Z80 80K ?? MICRO 83 TRS-80 Model 16B 68000 w/Z80 256K ?? MICRO 83 TRS-80 Model 100 Z80 24K ?? MICRO 83 TRS-80 Model 1000 8088 128K ?? MICRO 85 TRS-80 Model II Z80 64K ?? MICRO 78 TRS-80 Model III Z80 64K ?? MICRO 80 TRS-80 PC-1 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 80 TRS-80 PC-2 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 82 Tano Corporation-------------------------------------------------- AVT-2 6502 64K ?? MICRO 82 Tarbell Electronics----------------------------------------------- Empire Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Rebel Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Televideo Systems, Inc.------------------------------------------- TPC I Z80 64K CP/M ?? 83 TS 800 Z80 64K CP/M ?? 86 TS 802 Z80 64K CP/M ?? 82 TS 803 Z80 64K CP/M ?? 83 TS 804 Z80 64K CP/M ?? 83 TS 806 Z80 64K CP/M ?? 81 TS 816 Z80 128K CP/M ?? 82 3R Computer Products---------------------------------------------- Avatar TC10 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Avatar TC3278 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Texas Instruments------------------------------------------------- 99/2 TMS9900 4K ?? MICRO 83 99/4A TMS9900 16K ?? MICRO 83 200 TMS9900 64K ?? ?? 83 300 TMS9900 128K ?? ?? 83 990 TMS9900 2MB ?? ?? 81 CC 40 TMS9900 6K ?? ?? 83 Timex Computer---------------------------------------------------- TS 1000 Z80 1K ?? MICRO 83 TS 2000 Z80 16K ?? MICRO 83 Torch Computers--------------------------------------------------- Model CF110 Z80 w/6502 96K ?? MICRO 82 Toshiba, Inc.----------------------------------------------------- EW100 Z80 w/6502 64K ?? MICRO 81 T100 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 T200 8085 64K ?? MICRO 81 T250 8085 64K ?? MICRO 81 Vector Graphic, Inc.---------------------------------------------- Vector 4 Z80 w/8088 128K ?? MICRO 83 Vector 5005E Z80 128K ?? MICRO 82 Vector 5010E Z80 128K ?? MICRO 82 Vector 5032E Z80 128K ?? MICRO 82 Vector SX-2000 Z80 w/8086 128K ?? MICRO 84 Vector SX-3000 Z80 w/8086 128K ?? MICRO 84 Vector SX-5000 Z80 w/8086 128K ?? MICRO 84 Video Technology Computers, Inc.---------------------------------- Laser 50 Z80 2K ?? PORT. 84 Laser 128 6502 128K PRODOS8 MICRO 87 Laser 128EX 65C02 128K PRODOS8 MICRO 87 Laser 200 6502 4K ?? ?? 83 Laser 3000 6502 64K ?? ?? 83 Wicat Systems, Inc.----------------------------------------------- System 150 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 System 155 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 System 160 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 System 200 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 System 300 68000 2MB ?? ?? 83 System 2200 68000 1MB ?? ?? 83 Xerox Corporation------------------------------------------------- System 744-I Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 System 744-II Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 16/8 Z80 w/8086 192K ?? MICRO 83 820-II Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 Zeda Computers---------------------------------------------------- 520 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 580A Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 Zenith Data Systems----------------------------------------------- Z-89 Z80 48K ?? MICRO 79 Z-90 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 81 Z-100 8088 w/8085 192K ?? MICRO 82 Zilog, Inc.------------------------------------------------------- System 8000/11 Z8000 512K ?? ?? 83 System 8000/12 Z8001 512K ?? ?? 84 System 8000/21 Z8000 512K ?? ?? 83 System 8000/22 Z8001 512K ?? ?? 84 System 8000/32 Z8001 512K ?? ?? 84 ==================================================================

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Hello folks

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Hello everyone, Glad to be here. Im in Lawrence KS, an NT administrator for the Dept of Labor and have the following machines. Timex/Sinclair1500 "" 2050 Modem Tandy Color/2 Trs80 Model 4, 128k Trs80 Model 4, 64K Apple /// Profile HD Apple //gs 100meg scsi drive Apple//e Apple//c Apple][+ Apple Macintosh SE Apple Macintosh Se/30 Atari 400 Atari 800XL 1050 FDD Atari 1200Xl 1050 FDD Commodore 64 1541 FDD (2) IBM PC, [dual floppy} Anything I can help with please let me know and visit my web page on my home server. http:\\24.124.36.31 Bill G. Aka. TheDM

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Storage and specialization

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

I've had a storage unit for years now (PETs take up wayyy too much room in an apartment, not to mention YEARS of COMPUTE!, Commodore, Ahoy, RUN, Etc.) The big pain about the storage unit is having to dig through the layers of goodies to find what you are getting at. Or even worse knowing you have a tidbit on some subject in you think one of X magazines, and you would have to dig through issues and issues (not at home) to find it. I specialize in my collecting, Commodore 8-bits and just recently Atari 8-Bits. I would have to move to even think of another brand. :/ Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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Packing Computers

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

I have been shipping computers for a while now with no problem whatsoever. I follow the guidelines already mentioned with a couple twists: Wrap the items in bubble wrap (best) or a plastic bag, anti-static is best. This protects the surfaces and stops the styrofoam from being in direct contact with the plastic on the machine. Keeps foam from getting into the slots, etc. I also notice that the plastic in the cords especially tend to bond with the foam after a while. Popcorn in the bottom. Put the system in. Popcorn on sides and on top. Allow for settling, compress it until it's firm. Seal it up. If putting items on top of each other I'd put a piece of cardboard in between along with a few inches of popcorn just in case things move. This is for shipping. I've shipped lots of stuff packed in a single box without a single casualty. Moving a short distance shouldn't be as much of a big deal but if someone drops a box, you'll be glad you did it. I didn't have any casualties when I moved last year either. I get packing material from a couple sources. A camera shop here gets about 5 big bags a month since all their stuff is fragile. A manufacturer has a big cardboard recycling area where they dump boxes and bubblewrap. If someone is near Mountain View, CA (near where I used to live), I have a great source for tons of this stuff. Email me. Greg PS: I have an Apple IIc & IIe on Auctionweb that are going cheap so far. The IIc is only at $3.25! Even cheap compared to you guy's standards. Shipping is extra though (UPS). Auction ends tomorrow. Apple IIC Computer (photo) Current bid: $3.25 Auction ends on: 06/04/97, 22:48:02 PDT http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=znb774144 Apple IIe Computer, Duo Drive, 64K (photo) Current bid: $20.50 Auction ends on: 06/04/97, 22:54:32 PDT http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=cjt6509

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