If memory serves:
EBCDIC = Extended Binary Coded Decimal Interchange Code
IBM mainframes (360, 370, etc) are the only machines I've seen that used it.
bw
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From: Sam Ismail
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 2:41 AM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: EBCDIC
DOes anyone have a computer which uses the EBCDIC character set, rather
than ASCII (did I get the acronym right? what does it stand for anyway)?
Just curious.
Sam
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The Victor 9000 sounds like a machine sold in Australia and perhaps Europe
as the ACT Sirius and coexisted for a time with the IBM PC because of a
shortage of the latter. Chuck Peddle (spelling?) was the originator of the
Sirius.
The ACT company I think was British and later changed it's name to Apricot.
Or am I completely on the wrong track?
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> From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)crl.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Victor 9000
> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 10:45 AM
>
> At 11:50 PM 6/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >So what exactly is a Victor 9000???
> >Just another PC clone?
>
> Not a clone, but similar. Max RAM was 768K, came with a Floppy Drive as
> standard (IIRC). Was the first computer to use variable speed disk
drives
> (as the early Mac's did as well.) Ran an early version of MS-DOS, I
think.
>
> Pong is not the first video game. Nolan Bushnell, who later founded
> Atari, did Pong. Several years before Pong, Nolan created a more
> sophisticated game called Computer Space, built by Nutting and
> Associates.
>
> Computer Space was the first arcade video game.
> Atari home Pong was the first home video game.
> Magnavox Odyssey1 was the first home video game system.
>
> Trust me, I own all of them.
>
> Kai
>
I just pulled out the Pong and manual. I suppose I don't have the
original pong anyway.
Super Pong, Model No. C-140 (1976). It has four different pong games
(labelled differently in the manual and on the box).
So when did the original Pong make its appearance.
Marc
Okay, enough hardware, it's time for a software trade list!
Software wanted:
- Apple DOS 3.3
- Apricot F2 DOS
- Cromemco CP/M on 8" for System 3
- Microsoft Adventure (floppy for TRS-80, Apple II or PC)
- Ithaca InterSystems CP/M, any format
- TI 99/4a Disk Manager II cartridge
- Apple /// Apple II Emulator Diskette
- /// EZ Pieces
- Anything for Spectravideo SV-3x8
Software for trade (all freely distributable to the best of my
knowledge; let me know if you know otherwise):
- Atari DOS 2.0a on 5.25"
- Atari DOS 2.5 on 5.25"
- Kaypro II CP/M, WordStar, FileStar, SpellStar on 5.25"
- Kaypro 10 CP/M (can make diskette from HD if needed)
- North Star NSDOS 2.0 on 5.25"
- Jade CP/M 2.2 on 8"
- Computer Chef on 8"
- Infocom "Suspended" and "Starcrossed" on 8" (these work on an 8080
just fine)
- Osborne CP/M on 5.25"
- Macintosh System 1.0 (yes, Apple has posted this)
- TRS-80 Model 100 floppy drive support diskette
Also, while we're talking diskettes, does anyone have a MicroSolutions
CompatiCard or a Copy II Option Board they'd be willing to sell?
thanks
Kai
Meant to mention this earlier, but over the weekend I also picked up an
Exidy (Sorcerer) dual disk drive chassis (no drives, just the power
supply circuitry) for a dollar. I was amazed to find it. I know little
to nothing about this system, although thanks to Larry Anderson I have
one that is totally hacked up with a funky power-supply that replaced the
original (sticking about 2 inches out the back with wierd cords I have no
idea how to connect) and some interesting mods inside which seem an
attempt to double its memory. Any insights on this system? It's fairly
obscure.
I was told Exidy used standard PC-type full-height 5.25 drives. Anyone
know more about this? Or perhaps know where I can get an interface card
for the beast?
Sam
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RE: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org>
>Subject: Re: Printers and Finds of the Week
>I am not familiar with the "SuperPET"; where does it fit in with the
>rest of the Commodore line? It sounds like you also had a pretty good
>"haul" this weekend!
The SuperPET was developed by Waterloo University in Ontario, Canada and
was released by Commodore sometime around 1980/81. I read a press
release where the CBM 8096 (a close pre-cursor to the SuperPET) and
VIC-20 were being introduced. It was also referred to as the Commodore
SP9000 and Micro-Mainframe.
The SuperPET was (I'm pretty sure) the last of the PET/CBM series.
After that, in 1982, almost the entire Commodore line was re-vamped
with: the Ultimax, C-64, B-128 series, and P-128/P-500 models.
What the "PET Personal Computer Guide" Says about the SuperPET:
It was designed around the CBM 8032 but boasted a 64k bank-switched RAM
expansion and a 6809 co-processor which could emulate a 16 bit
computer. In order to be truly compatible with IBM the OS had been
retooled to use standard ASCII throughout, it also has a true RS-232
port.
It has a 'Highly flexible terminal mode,' 'highly advanced text editor,'
and 'run time monitor.' Among its more remarkable features is its
ability to trace and repair most errors without losing the current
program or its variables. Another virtue is its ability to send any
program or data to another computer at any time in any language. The
standard languages are IBM-compatible APL (including a complete APL
character set), Waterloo BASIC, COBOL, FORTRAN, and Pascal. All
languages are stored on disk (which I don't have any of *sigh*) until
used. And at the printing of the book the languages worked as
interpreters. Waterloo planned to have compiled versions available for
the SuperPET in the future. Another language is included is 6809
assembly language. SuperPET comes with an assembler, linker, and
loader.
--------------------------------
Many of the features of the SuperPET can be seen in later Commodore
units such as the B-128 and C-128 series (bank switched memory
co-processors, etc.)
Browsing the Web I have found some mentions of them, but many were no
more than that. So far it seems one or two may have more than just the
unit. I hope to get email soon from one person I wrote for info to.
DOes anyone have a computer which uses the EBCDIC character set, rather
than ASCII (did I get the acronym right? what does it stand for anyway)?
Just curious.
Sam
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> Not a clone, but similar. Max RAM was 768K, came with a Floppy Drive as
> standard (IIRC). Was the first computer to use variable speed disk drive
> (as the early Mac's did as well.) Ran an early version of MS-DOS, I think
>
> And, IIRC, it pre-dated the IBM PC.
Ok, some herstory. There were many machines that ran CP/M-86 before in IBM
PC, one in particular was the Seattle Computer co, running Q-dos which after
a deal with MS would be come MSDOS-1.0 aka PCdos to run on the first PC.
I was running a 8086 system in 1980 that clearly blow the doors off a PC.
It was 8086 not 8088 at 5.0mhz and 16bit wide memory using standard
multibuss cards. By late 81 that machine was 8mhz, and 82 brought a copy of
PC dos to it. Early MSdos could be configured like CP/M. The PC was slow,
clunky, closed and expensive! By time the XT arrived still slow, clunky and
expensive there are several S100 and other systems that were very fast
6/8/10 mhz 8088 or 8086 systems.
At 03:49 PM 6/15/97 -0700, you wrote:
>1979? The Victor 9000 came out in 1985/86 according to previous
>discussions. Indeed it would have been the "technological cutting edge"
>in 1979, and for quite some time as it would have pre-dated the computer
>it was supposed to be semi-compatible with.
My (admittedly faulty) memory puts the Victor 9000 pre-IBM. I remember my
parents considering purchasing one, and being horrified at the specs on the
IBM PC when it came out. I couldn't understand why anyone would buy one
when they could have the Victor 9000 instead.
Maybe I should check some of the docs I've got and see what they say.
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Was the Aquarius II compatible with the old Aquarius programs?
Can anyone give me a lead on an Aquarius II?
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as a whole.
I finally got a chance to play with my Osborne 1 and must say it is a
nice little system. For its time it was a great product. The software
is very user-friendly and overall the system runs quite nicely. The disk
drives are rather fast. I was making backups of my system disks and it
reads almost 5 tracks per second (but writes at about a rate of 5 seconds
per track).
Hey, my Osborne 1 has serial number A01284. Can anyone beat that?
Sam
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I found these while looking for the docs for my SWTP CT1024 terminal board
that I'm resurecting (it works)
These are available for sale or trade:
SWTP PR40 schematic and wiring drawing (D size sheet two sided)
SWTP MP-S serial interface (SS50, 6800) assembly, schematic
and board views.
Ohiso Scientific sams photofact service manual complete for:
Superboard-II
Model C1P
Model C1PMF
Allison
Well, not a bad weekend for Apple stuff. I visited two swap meets and a
dozen thrifts, and came up with the following stuff (the weird thing is,
all of my traditional good spots were dry, and all the dry ones had good
stuff -- and not only that, these systems weren't complete but instead
all the parts came from different locations!)
- An Apple II
- An Apple II with RAM expansion card, Grappler card, 80 column card
- An Apple /// with ProFile hard disk, second floppy and Monitor ///
- An Apple ///+ with ProFile hard disk, second floppy, serial card, and
a "///+//" Apple II emulation card (!)
- Another ProFile hard disk (that makes 3!)
- Apple /// JOYSTICK !!!!! (egads)
- Two Apple II series joysticks
- Apple II series game paddle set
Plus:
- Three Central Point Copy II Option Boards (copy Apple, Mac, TRS-80,
CP/M formats on PCs)
- Two 8-bit Plus Hard Card 20's
- Silicon Valley ADP50 (run IDE hard drives in an IBM PC)
Kai
Ok, the weekend's not even over, and here's how I did:
101 Online - A neat little terminal with a 9" screen. The keyboard
covers the screen and flips down with the push of a button. It has a
built-in 4800bps modem. It was used to connect to some online service in
California at some time or another. The whole thing is in this cute
10"x10"x10" package - $5
Laser 50 with manuals - $4 (Hi Bill!)
Commodore 64, Commodore 64C (two of 'em, one seems to be this weird clone
since the plastic looks different from the other one and it has no
markings), two 1541 drives, two Star NX-1000C dot matrix printers - All free
Data General One (Model 2) laptop. Two questions: How did the model 2
differ from the model 1? And I didn't get a power supply with this, but
was told by a couple people all it requires is a special three-prong
power cord. The receptacle is an oval with three conductors. Anyone
know about this? - $15
2 Commodore 1541 drives, 2 Commodore 1571 drives - $8
DEC Rainbow 100 with all the trimmings (extra cards, all software and
manuals) - $10
VIC-20 Modem - $1
Commodore 64 user's guide, VIC-20 User's Guide - $1
(the guy I bought this stuff from claims to have 7 PDP-11s and "several"
PDP-8s that he's been hording. Needless to say I threatened him with
great bodily harm if he didn't give me some. We agreed to meet to discuss
the "free taking" of one of each system. He also has lots of other DEC
stuff for sale and for give-away to those who would give it good homes. I
will keep us posted on any late-breaking developments. He also said he
has a Cyber hard drive unit which sounds like the size of a dishwasher as
he described it. I think the model number was 690s or something. I know
I'm way off. If anyone wants this its in California. Apparently he has
tons of mostly DEC stuff he's been collecting from local colleges and
universtities. Again, I'll keep us posted).
And let's see, oh yeah, I'm not done!
ZX-81 with manuals/power supply and...
Victor 9000 and...
IMSAI 8080!
IMSAI MPU-A (Rev 4) 8080A CPU card
IMSAI SIO (Rev 3) Serial card
DCHayes Modem (I am assuming 300baud...S100!)
Disk Jockey 2D/B 8" drive card (and some 8" drive...I forget the
manufacturer)
(4) Digital Research Company Memory Boards (I think each one is 16K)
All manuals/schematics/notes plus some extra IMSAI fron panel overlays
All this from the original owner for $100. What a bargain.
Ok, this guy is cool. First of all, to you guys complaining that you
never get anything good, here's the message I posted on my local forsale
newsgroup which brought about this acquisition:
---BEGIN USENET MESSAGE---
> First edition K&R
I ahve stapled version with bell labs technical report #31 "the C
programming language" by D.M. Richie, and M.E. lesk. october 1975
it has hand scribbles re: tiny C as it was part of communication with
Jon Gibson.
Got it back around 79 while visiting Bell labs homdel on a business call.
No offers acepted as it's my working copy for C and my bible!
Allison
Thought this may be of interest to some of you. His email address should be
Mikeooo1(a)aol.com
Lou
Subj: Aim 65 single board micro
Date: 97-06-16 16:20:52 EDT
From: Mikeooo1
I have several Aim 65's in new condition,a hot item in the 80's it was the
precursor to the pc.Features a single board microprocessor complete with
display,printer,keyboard,power supply,with a 6502 cpu.Fully functional but
also a nice collector's item.
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Subject: Re: Victor 9000
Sam wrote:
>1979? The Victor 9000 came out in 1985/86 according to previous
>discussions. Indeed it would have been the "technological cutting edge"
>in 1979, and for quite some time as it would have pre-dated the computer
>it was supposed to be semi-compatible with.
I recall seeing Victor 9000's newly installed in a computer lab at the
University of British Columbia in 1983.
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Subject: Re: Terak 8510a
>Talking of obscure PDP11-related machines, has anyone else ever come
>across the Tektronix 8530 etc systems. These machines were sold as micro
>development systems and lived in 2 racks - one contained an LSI11 (or
>PDP11/23) CPU card + RAM + disk controller + I/O + drives (either a couple
>of 8" floppies or one floppy and a Micropolis 1200 hard disk), while the
>other contained the development options -- in-circuit emulators, logic
>analyser, EPROM programmer, etc. They ran either a much-hacked RT11 or a
>much-hacked Unix.
This sounds a lot like a system I saw installed new at my alma mater
(University of British Columbia) my graduation year (1983). It was a
Tektronix
development system with LSI11 CPU running UNIX. There were a number
of terminals attached, and it was used to teach computer process control
concepts to non-computer eng. types. I remember seeing various pumps and
tanks connected to it.
I never used it seriously myself, but just logged on to play with it: this
was the
first Unix system I had seen. I wasn't very impressed with it at the time:
whenever I used the 'man' program, the pages would just scroll up the
screen
(no pause), then it cleared the screen, leaving the prompt.
Clark Geisler
'just have an Amiga 1000 and a VAX 11/730'
I'm so excited...this is my first post to this great group.
In 1981 I left NCR to work for Victor (Canada) Limited to organize a tech
support team and assist a calculator saleforce become successful sellers of
microcomputers - namely the Victor 9000 or Vickie as it came to be called.
The Victor 9000 came out in 1982. It was produced by a company called Sirius
Computer Corp. Mr. Chuck Peddle designed the 9000 and ran Sirius. Peddle had
preivously worked for Commodre and designed the PET. By golly, before that
he worked on the 6502 chip (the CPU in early Apples).
Now here's more corporate geneology stuff. Victor used to be called Victor
Comptometer. It was owned by the Victor family of Chicago and was bought-out
by the Kidde Corp a conglomerate. Kidde also invested in Sirius.
The 9000 was a machine designed for people. It came with a non-glare
monochrome monitor on a tilt and swivel-base - hey we're talking 1981 here!
It had an ergonomically-considerate keyboard, small footprint, and oh yah,
it had a voice chip on the motherboard. The last step of POST (power-on,
self-test) was the 9000 telling you "Hello, I am a Victor 9000." I get a
kick out of listening to the Comdex 1990 keynote speech by Bill Gates (the
one when he announced the Information at Your Fingertips campaign), because
he declared that someday computers will have voice-digitization on the
motherboard. Did you hear that Chuck?
Unforunately the 9000 didn't last long. Sirius had grand plans to become the
next IBM, they absorbed Victor, sold lots of machines (a single order of
4000 to Ford Motors), then promptly went bankrupt. Victor Canada was closed
down in the mid-1980s.
The 9000 came in two cases. Early (first) models housed the processor in a
rectangular case. Later models used a niffty angular case. I don't know if
voice digitization made it into the angular case.
My 9000 occupies a place in my subcollection of Unique Systems - systems
that were, well let's say they were ahead of their times. Other machines
here include the Lisa, Workslate, Hyperion, Star, Apple III, DG/One, etc.
Hope this helps you, I know it sure was fun for me.
Yours in good faith.
>Hello!
>
>I have a Victor 9000, cheap to good home. The technological cutting edge in
>1979, it has a keyboard that includes a 1/2 and 1/4 key, a wonderfully
>massive dot matrix printer, and a version of Wordstar that is truly hideous.
> Plus other software. The thing seems to run on DOS 1.25. It has been in my
>garage for years, and I hate to see such a monstrosity go without victims.
> Is there someone out there who would like to have it? Please respond to
>MoeHoward1(a)aol.com or David.Stevens(a)pgw.com.
>
>
At 06:21 AM 6/16/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Aaaah! That's more like it! What I meant was the home video game
>console. Now back to the original question: does anybody know where I
>can get a photo of it or at least a description). Thank you
>
>enrico
Enrico,
Try this site. It has a picture of an atari pong machine:
http://members.aol.com/cvendel/vaporware.html
Hope this helps.
Isaac Davis | Don't throw out that old computer,
idavis(a)comland.com | check out the Classic Computer Rescue List -
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>
> I don't know if I have any of the Pong advertisements or not, but I most
> likely have something close. It is pretty easy to recognize as the
> cabinet was about 27" or so wide, about 30" deep, and stood somewhere
> around 6 feet high.
Pong had a monitor?!? I didn't know that.
I have Atari's Pong here which is just the console.
First video game we ever got. I plan to pull it out of retirement for
a 1970's party being planned.
Hmm, I'd like to find a pic of that 6ft beast myself.
Marc
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Doeas anybody have a photograph of "PONG" the first video game ever? Or
where I can find one? I have never seen it and I don't know how it looks
like so I will not be able to recognize it if I ever bump into one.
Thanks
enrico
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In a message dated 97-06-12 22:38:21 EDT, marvin(a)rain.org (Marvin) wrote:
> Back when the Atari 400 was introduced, I got hooked on Space Invaders.
> I found the Atari and other Joysticks to be a complete waste when it
> came to playing Space Invaders .....
Why didn't you use the Atari paddles?
Well I'm back from the flea...
I did sell two of the COCOs and a few other odds and ends. The bulk of the
pile remains as "it wasn't VGA or PC".
Of the more interesting things I'd like to sell for nominal fee or trade:
TRS80 docs and tapes...
moto6800D1 pristine with docs
MDS800 mostly complete
The s100 memory cards, s100 crate,
Anadex DP-8000 printer working and docs.
In the process I aquired a real fine PDP11/23+ with RX02. It's excess and
has V4 and v5 DOCs and install kits along with apparently two sets of X11
diags. Also there is a MiniMINC LSI11 kit with mincBaisc. There is an
unopened (shrink intact) box of 8" media. The 11/23 is has 512k of ram 4
serial ports and a RX02 disk system that looks operational.
This is also excess... don't ask, call it a rescue.
Anyone interested let me know as I'm trying to make room for a PDP-8/e/m/f!
Allison
Oh yes! I finally own a little bit of a PDP. The Department of AI at the
university here just disposed of some of its old hardware and I ended up
with a Terak 8510a with extra floppy (8512) and monitor, keyboard (8532).
Lovely!!!
It's a really neat and fast machine. FYI, it has a four-slot backplane
with an LSI-11 board (with FPU), 28kw of MOS RAM, a brilliant framebuffer
card (640x240 text and 320x240 graphics at the same time -- the card mixes
both modes on the same screen and allows hardware panning, smooth scrolling
and other effects), Shugart floppy interface, RS-232/current loop and some
other strange card (probably for controlling some robotic device of sorts --
useful).
It came with all of its documentation (disgustingly complete, including
business reply card with `READ THIS NOW' written at the back, brochures,
reference cards, RT-11 manuals, Shugart tech ref (so you want to take apart
your Shugart 8" drive's head assembly?), etc). Also a set of original
red-and-purple(?) PDP-11 manuals for RT-11. And to top it off, there were a
few 1978-1979 DEC PDP manuals for various architectures. They're in almost
mint condition, but the paper is really showing its age. GOOD documentation,
though.
Software-wise, there are both of the common OSs for the Terak: RT-11 and
UCSD P-System/Pascal (haven't worked with this in ten years, but my fingers
still remember how to press 'F','L',':' really fast). Lots of languages,
including Logo, BASIC and Prolog (it *was* a DAI machine, you see).
The 12" monitor is rock steady and displays a clear image in P3 phosphor
(sort-of paper white) and the keyboard is refreshingly 70s with nice clunky
keys that, however, are really comfortable for touch typing once you get
used to them.
Oh yes, I also got a boxed TI-99/4A with all its manuals and a memory
expansion box, but that is probably too common for you folks in the States
and certainly too mundane in comparison to the Terak.
I'm a happy man. :-)
PS: Oh, the department has quite a nice collection of old stuff, including a
PERQ that just seemed to attract a lot of drool. They're keeping it,
though -- it's going to a real museum (not computer related, though).
All in all, I think I must have looked too much like a kiddie in a sweet
shop.
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Alexios Chouchoulas '88 ,88' ,88' alexios(a)vennea.demon.co.uk
The Unpronounceable One ,o88oooo88ooooo88oo, axc(a)dcs.ed.ac.uk
Hello!
I have a Victor 9000, cheap to good home. The technological cutting edge in
1979, it has a keyboard that includes a 1/2 and 1/4 key, a wonderfully
massive dot matrix printer, and a version of Wordstar that is truly hideous.
Plus other software. The thing seems to run on DOS 1.25. It has been in my
garage for years, and I hate to see such a monstrosity go without victims.
Is there someone out there who would like to have it? Please respond to
MoeHoward1(a)aol.com or David.Stevens(a)pgw.com.
Hello folks! I've received the following message from someone who needs to
find a good home for his Atari 800XL system (free):
If interested, please reply to him.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Greetings!
I have a fully functional working 800-XL with expanded memory, a
Smith-Corona printer, a good disk drive, a good monitor, a 300-baud
modem (whoopee!), enough books and manuals to stock a small library
(currently mine), all issues but the first 12 or or of ANTIC, ANALOG,
and COMPUTE magazines, and a whole lot of disks, some directly from
magazines, some from user groups, most from listings I've typed in.
Since I've upgraded to the PC, the Atari system has become expendable,
and needs to go -- I need the room.
Realizing that, by your email, you are not a hop, skip, OR jump away
>from me, here's hoping you can put me in touch with someone who'll be
able to give my 'baby' a good home.
Thanks,
Doug Rasmussen
1233 - 167th Ave. S.E.
Bellevue, WA 98008
Phone: (425) 747-3846
Fax: (425) 644-8912
email: pptdoug(a)aa.net
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Alexios Chouchoulas '88 ,88' ,88' alexios(a)vennea.demon.co.uk
The Unpronounceable One ,o88oooo88ooooo88oo, axc(a)dcs.ed.ac.uk
In looking through my garage last night, I found an old (about '84
vintage) NCR I-Tower computer system. 68020 based, this particular beastie
ran a variant of Unix customized for NCR.
I would far rather have the space for DEC stuff. With that in mind, anyone
who cares to visit Kent, WA (east hill) can haul this beast away for the
asking. Worst case, the main tower has an integral UPS; you could probably
adapt such to other systems.
Drop me an E-mail if interested, or give me a call at (253) 639-9555.
Thanks in advance.
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human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
I have a question about the value of an IMSAI 8080.
Say someone had a nice, working IMSAI 8080 in decent condition. How
much, realistically, could one expect to sell this for?
Say someone had an IMSAI 8080, in pieces, the working condition being
unknown. How much, realistically, could one expect to sell this for?
Now I have a question about a Victor-9000.
Victor 9000, working...how much?
Victor 9000, bad floppy controller...how much?
Thanks!
Sam
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Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
Well... this may not beat Sam's weekend haul, (and if he finds a
'Straight' 8 from this mysterious person I'm *really* gonna be jealous) but
I think it's significant.
A note to begin: I'm announcing this here initially as a sort of place
holder before I proceed as will be noted below. A bit of a CYA action you
might say...
--- we begin ---
I was doing some *long* overdue cleaning in the Computer Garage this
weekend, and finally located some items that I knew were there but had not
mentioned since I could not locate them. Even now, I have not located
*all* of them, but enough to make their presence known.
Somewhere between probably 5-8 years ago, I purchased some equipment,
documentation, and supplies from a sale being held by some Digital
Research, Inc. staff. Little did I know just what I was coming into.
In addition to some S-100 hardware that been used for development, I
purchased a series of disks and original DRI binders. To be specific to
what I have (re-)located so far, the binders contain complete source
listings for MP/M versions 1.1 and 2.0, and CP/M Plus version 3.0 and all
supporting utilities and programs.
If I recall correctly from when I originally received the materials, I
should also have the sources for CP/M version 2.2 and the associated disks.
(don't hold me to this until I locate the other boxes tho. B^} )
To be fair, I will be contacting Caldera on Monday and will not be
accepting requests for access to these documents until such time as I have
verified their standing with Caldera.
--- why this message? ---
Basically, so that the existance of this material is known in the unlikely
event that I should recieve an unfavourable reaction from Caldera.
I try to avoid entanglements with those in the legal profession, but past
experience has shown that a 'document trail' never hurts...
More news as it becomes available...
-jim
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Heh... I should probably have done this just after I subscribed. Oh well...
Yes, it's me. Some of you may already have at least gotten an E-mail from
me, or spoken to me on the phone. I have a whole garage full of DEC stuff,
including several MicroVAX II's, MicroPDP-11/23 and 11/73, appropriate
monster hard drives, a couple of Cipher front-loading tape units, various
parts and racks, etc.
DEC stuff is my current Big Thing, though I regret that I don't have the
space nor the power facilities to handle the full-size machines (like the
11/70 or the VAX-11 series). Still, MicroVAXen and the PDP's make for
interesting diversions.
I've been working with electronics since I was old enough to start tearing
things apart (not that I got them back together that often!), have been a
ham radio op since 1977, and working with computers on and off since 1978.
I currently work at Boeing Defense & Space group, operations, computing
support (been there since November).
I am happily married, and my mate knew darn well what she was getting into
when she married a techie. I'm not a Washington native, though I do live in
Kent at the moment (I think of myself as an 'unrepentant Californian'). For
those that are curious beyond this post, I invite you to have a look at
http://www.wizards.net/technoid.
Among other things, I have a listing of both Washington and California
electronics-oriented swap meets and surplus stores on the link 'The
Wonderful World of Scrounging.' I gladly invite corrections and updates to
said list!
Let's see, what else...? I try to make at least two trips a year to the
Bay Area for scrounging purposes (Sam? Want to get together sometime and
introduce me to some of the other local collectors?<g>), and to meet up
with a friend of mine in San Jose who shares my interests. We've often done
selling or buying trips to the Bay Area swap meets together, having known
each other since about 1980.
That's about all I can think of at the moment. Caveat emptor!
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"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
Hi guys, my collection is still on the small side (25 or so) and lately
I've just been trying to cover "all the bases." I'm mainly interested in
80's micros (since that's what I grew up with) and have a few holes to
fill. OK, enough filler, here's what I need:
- I *still* don't have an Atari!
- I'd like a MSX machine as well (never even seen one in anything other
than magazine articles)
- and maybe a Timex just for the hell of it.
If anyone has any duplicates that they'd like to sell/trade etc. than
PLEASE let me know! I live in the (relatively) Philadelphia area.
BTW, someone on this mailing list mentioned that they needed the TI Speech
box. If by this you mean the Speech Synthesizer that plugged into the
side than I have 2 (and only 1 TI) so....
However, if you mean the Terminal Emulator II cartridge than, sorry, I
only have 1 of those! :(
Les
more(a)crazy.rutgers.edu
With the current thread on Osborne's machines (he was a great writer
about computer concepts, a fair engineer, and a _lousy_ businessman --
level of incompetence at work ala the Peter Principle), I realise that
besides Kaypro, there is another line of pre-laptops I'm interested in.
If anybody gets a line on an available Otrona CP/M system, I am very
interested. I thought it was the prettiest luggable around, even though I
continue very loyal to my TRS-80 4P. What ever happened to Otrona,
anyway? Did they get absorbed by Olivetti and forced to make pathetic PC
semi-compatibles for AT&T? (The Olivetti/AT&T PC 6300 had a video
connector that carried 70vdc to the monitor from a connector that looked
like a PC parallel port [female DB-25] until a customer mistook which
connector was which, I thought that _nothing_ could kill a TRS-80 Daisy
Wheel Printer II -- the aroma of semiconductors reverting to rocks in both
printer and CPU demonstrated that something indeed could).
--
Ward Griffiths
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within
the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." --Claire Wolfe
Here's a message I recieved last year after the aquisition of my Osborne
Executive that I thought some of you might find interesting:
*** Forwarded message, originally written by Arthur N. Borg on 14-Aug-96 ***
Dear Jeff,
At the time that the Osbourne was being designed, I worked for the company
that made the display. I remember clearly asking one of the Osbourne engineers
what
he thought about the IBM PC that had recently been introduced. He said, that
computer has a color display, It is just a toy or video game. Ours is a
business
computer.
The Osbourne executive ran CP/M 3.0 as the operating system. If you have an
operating system disk and a format and modem disk. You should have access to
everything that you need. Walnut Creek has a CD-ROM with more CP/M material
than
you could imagine.
I (think) that I have a set of manuals but I also (think) that they are in
storage in the United States. One caveat. In the manual there is a drawing
showing
how to connect the parallel port to a Centronics printer. The drawing is
totally
incorrect. I spent a week re-wiring the dongle so that the printer would work.
The
Osbourne Executive has two unusual features. First, the printer port is alsso
a
bi-directional IEE-488 interface and so the machine could control and monitor
lab
equipment and so on. Also, the type face is loaded into ram at start up and
so, you
can devise your own type face or use Greek or whatever.
We also made some of the displays for the Osbourne 1 and having a 63
character display was very limiting. Fitting 80 characters on a 7 inch display
was
not easy. You will note if you have a full screen of characters, as you turn
the
machine around, the earth's magnetic field tends to make the outer characters
slip
out of view. Osbourne was roundly condemned for announcing this machine too
early
and killing sales for the Osbourne 1 and thus killing the company. I think
that
this is a harsh judgement. This was the time that FCC radiation rules were
just
getting started and everyone was having a hard time meeting them. In plain
fact, I
think that they didn't realize how big a task they had to pass this test. I
saw
some figures after the company died. There was no week that they were in
business
that the company had a positive cash flow. You could see from the curves that
somewhere out in the future, they would have a positive cash flow. I think
that the
investors just felt that there was too much going for IBM and pulled the plug
on
Osbourne.
Best regards,
Art Borg
***End of forwarded message
Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com
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> On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Marvin wrote:
>
> > Along the lines of saving stuff, does anyone collect the old printers?
A topic I've given a lot of thought. The original MX-80 and the Paper Tiger
immediately spring to mind as classic printers worthy of incorporating into a
museum but I can't think of much else I'd have to own (aside from maybe an
original laserjet). Given the space limitations that most of us have
collecting printers in the manner that we collect computers is impractical.
But if you are inclined to collect them they are certainly plentiful and
cheap.
Lou
> I bought a TI-99/4A for $2, in its original box. As far as I can tell,
> it's a complete system, but there's no software. All of you have one
> of these machines, right? :)
If I remember it didn't come with software other than the embedded basic.
Allison
Tomorrow I will be at the MIT flea market. I have to thin my excesses.
Of interest will be:
memory and some other parts in tubes with old (pre81) date codes. Stuff
like TMS4060, upd411, upd410, 2012...
Motorola 6800D1 board, with docs and extras.
Some s100 boards SEALS, IMS and PT 8k 2102 memory and others. Some Altair
memory S4k and 88-4MCD, altair front pannel logic and 8080 cpu. Many with
docs available. DUAL inc, 68k s100 cpu. compupro s100 motherboard.
S100 box, industrial strength.
Some extra CPM docs and misc books.
Intel MDS800 nearly complete, no disks. I have a non intel multibus disk
controller for it.
Silver reed LQP, complete with docs, daisy wheels, ribbons. Working.
Anadex printer working, with docs. Both serial and parallel.
2 cocos condition unknown.
MISC qbus PDP11 modules including some core planes(operational!). A couple
of BDV11va. Wire wrap modules. H962 diode rom boot board with docs.
Assortment of power supplies. Very complete TRS80 DOCS, CPU, EI, tapes
extras. Including some z80 and trs-80 books.
Floppy drives, St506 drives, external single floppy boxes (al la TRS80).
Fans for use in s100 or other boxes.
Allison
I decided to go to garage sales this morning.
I passed up an IBM 5150 with some sort of monitor for $15 or offer. It
had a single 5.25" drive. I suspect it had been picked over for parts,
since there was another PC there for sale, and the seller said that he
"wanted to upgrade the other PC's memory with chips from this one." I
didn't really want the machine, and I didn't figure it would be worth
shipping.
I bought a TI-99/4A for $2, in its original box. As far as I can tell,
it's a complete system, but there's no software. All of you have one
of these machines, right? :)
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as a whole.
>I had a good weekend. This is what I got:
[snip]
>All for $50. It was at our local Science center, so I decided to be
>generous with my offers. They keep all procedes. Any offers for
>trades/for sale welcome. Any pointers to info on the softcard?
Ain't kidding you had a good weekend!
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At 10:29 AM 6/13/97 -0700, you wrote:
>On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Ward Griffiths and/or Lisa Rogers wrote:
>
>> Wish I had my old MX-80 with the bootleg Graftrax ROM.
>
>I'm just curious, but what's special about the MX-80?
Well... to my mind the thing that made the MX-80 somewhat revolutionary for
its time was the user replacable print head that initially retailed for
about $35.00. Compared against other printers of the time which required a
trip to the shop and an average of $200.00 in repairs for a filed head, I
think it deserves its place of recognition.
-jim
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I frequent two thrift stores in the same town on a regular basis and the
prices, while higher than what you folks on the west cost are used to, were
reasonable. However three weeks ago they started getting in a lot of PC
equipment and the prices on it were ridiculous i.e $70 for a Packard Bell XT
clone with a monochrome monitor and $50 for an IBM 5150 PC with monitor.
While I was amused I wasn't really concerned since I have little interest in
this type of gear.
Now however the madness has infected the old 8 bit equipment. Some examples.
Apple IIc with monitor, 5 1/4" and 3 1/2" external drives $75. Not too bad
you say. Well then how about a C-64 with a 1571 disk drive and power supplies
for $80? The killer was a Coco 1 with manuals for $99 dollars.
Three weeks ago the C-64 and the Coco would have been $12 each and the 1571
about $15. I assume that they have someone new pricing this equipment but I
can't for the life of me figure out the rationale behind these prices.
Needless to say they're not moving much equipment.
Sorry for the rant but I just had to let it out. I did complain to the
cashier who said (sincerely I believe) that she would inform the manager .
Lou
I had a good weekend. This is what I got:
2 UNOPENED boxes of QuickFile II for Apple II
1 Pinpoint Software for Apple II
1 Set of manuals for IBM PC AT
2 Sets of manuals for WordPerfect (In box like PC AT manuals)
1 TI 59 Calculator with printer
1 Apple IIE computer
1 Microsoft Softcard
1 Super Serial II card
4 Disk II drives
2 Diks II interfaces
1 Numeric pad for IIe
1 Apple II Parallel card (By apple)
1 Amiga Monitor, the nice RGB/Composite monitor, Mono
1 Kodac Diconix 150+ printer for Mac
All for $50. It was at our local Science center, so I decided to be
generous with my offers. They keep all procedes. Any offers for
trades/for sale welcome. Any pointers to info on the softcard?
Josh M. Nutzman
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> I frequent two thrift stores in the same town on a regular basis and the
> prices, while higher than what you folks on the west cost are used to, were
> reasonable. However three weeks ago they started getting in a lot of PC
> equipment and the prices on it were ridiculous i.e $70 for a Packard Bell XT
> clone with a monochrome monitor and $50 for an IBM 5150 PC with monitor.
> While I was amused I wasn't really concerned since I have little interest in
> this type of gear.
Could be worse. The University of Utah Property Redistribution Center
seems to have a very odd idea of pricing. One day I went in and saw a
teletype marked $300. Walked out with an HP 9100B calculator for $10.
Somebody there seems to know _some_ things are collectable but has no
idea exactly _what_.
Last time I visited, though, it was all boring PC stuff...
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
> repairs. I like mine because it has serial inputs - something that's
> getting increasingly hard to find on 99% of the printers in production.
the venerable LA120! It was the last of the printers that could punch 8part
carbon forms. The more common la100RO or LA210 serial and quite solid. I'm
still running a LA100RO I bought new in 84 wide platten and rugged with fair
near letter quality.
other serial printers from DEC:
LA34, LA36, LA38, LA12 corrospondent, LA50, LA75, LN01 with serial option
(that was a 12ppm xerox laser). To mention a few.
Allison
>
> Well... to my mind the thing that made the MX-80 somewhat revolutionary fo
> its time was the user replacable print head that initially retailed for
> about $35.00. Compared against other printers of the time which required
while significant there were other things of note.
It was low cost but not cheap.
It was widely sold.
Many other vendors copied it, it was a defacto standard in itself.
I represented a step up over many printers at twice the cost.
Later version were based on it.
Allison
> (If you aren't aware - it is a dual processor 8080 (CP/M) and 8086 (CP/M
> 86 or MS-DOS) computer with 2 5.25" floppies). I used to have one that
> belonged to work... it is kinda cool.
No that's z80 and 8088 cpus running cpm80/86. Amoung other things it would
take up to 896k of ram, color adaptor and a hard disk.
Allison
Earl's down here (a liquidation place) has a DEC Rainbow for sale. I
don't exactly remember what they want for it, but i remember thinking it
was ridiculous (probably the better half of 100 bills, maybe more).
However, if anybody wants this particular curio, I will be glad to trot
down there and grab it for you.
(If you aren't aware - it is a dual processor 8080 (CP/M) and 8086 (CP/M
86 or MS-DOS) computer with 2 5.25" floppies). I used to have one that
belonged to work... it is kinda cool.
-mark
Im still looking for a plain Apple][, and an Apple//e platinum, the one
with the numeric keypad on the side, please check if they have any of
either of these, as I need them for my collection.
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> From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Classic Computers to Save?
> Date: Friday, June 13, 1997 1:33 PM
>
> I just got back from checking out several places here in Sanata Barbara
> where machines are being sold.
>
> First, there are a number of SpectraGraphics DS1080 machines along with
> some good size terminals, keyboards, etc. I am not familiar with the
> units but the guy indicated this was a workstation assembly. If anyone
> is interested, let me know and I'll get back to him. I *think* there
> were about four of the DS1080 machines, at least a couple large monitors
> (19" or so RGB I think), some keyboards, perhaps some type of digitizing
> pad (not sure about this), and I didn't see any docs or software with
> it. He indicated he would be quite happy with $100 for the lot. My
> guess is that the lot weighs probably about 300 pounds or so. He
> indicated this was used as a CAD system.
>
> Second, there is an NCR PC-8 Xenix machine with some software, monitor,
> and several keyboards. I might end up trying to get it since I don't
> have one in the collection but if someone else is interested, let me
> know. My guess is that the lot weighs in at about 100 pounds or so.
> While I forgot to ask the price on this, he would most likely be more
> than happy with $30 - $50 for the lot.
>
> Thirdly, he had three or four Apple IIC's along with a bit of
> documentation, one of the Imagewriters, and perhaps some a little bit of
> other stuff I missed. Total weight is probably about 50 - 75 pounds,
> and he would take $20 each or probably $40 - $50 for the lot. Each of
> the first three Apples had either one or two external floppy disk drives
> with them.
>
> Finally, I went over to a local rummage sale and there was a bunch of
> Commodore stuff primarily C64s, documentation, some Apple docs, and some
> printers. This will be over this afternoon about 3PM PST so I will show
> up about 2:30 to see what I can haul away :). I will most likely just
> pick it up what is left just to save it from the dumpster but most of
> what I saw, I already have. Total weight was probably about 100 pounds
> including documentation. I did pick up the some of the docs and there
> are duplicate Apple II and IIe manuals.
>
> The first three items may or may not be sold this weekend to someone
> from Los Angeles. However, being here does give me an advantage :), so
> if anyone is interested in anything here, let me know!
In a message dated 97-06-13 16:35:47 EDT, Ray Stricklin wrote:
> I'm just curious, but what's special about the MX-80?
The MX-80 was the first low cost RELIABLE dot matrix printer and made
printing an affordable reality for we poor early micro users. The Paper Tiger
was (to the best of my memory) the first low cost ($995, again to the best of
my memory) micro dot matrix printer. Unfortunately it was NOT very reliable.
BTW after my post on collecting printers I suddenly realized I have about 12
lying around so I guess I am sort of collecting them - but it's against my
will. :-)
Lou
Opens tomorrow. Should be fun!:
"Boston, MA (May 23) - On June 14, 1997, The Computer Museum re-creates the
dawn of the PC age through a lifesize reconstruction of a 1970s' hacker's
garage and vintage personal computing artifacts. ... The Museum draws on
artifacts from its rich collection, including an Apple I and Altair 8800,
to recall the garages of 1970s' hobbyists who assembled "homebrew"
computers ... Rich in period detail, the "garage" is cluttered with an
oscilloscope, a ham radio, an old TV tube, 1970s' issues of Byte magazine,
a drum set, a guitar and photos of Mick Jagger and the Beatles. The relics
- including two early personal computers and two video games - recall a
pivotal time when computers began to serve as consumer items ..."
for the full article see:
http://www.tcm.org/info/press/wpr-hgarage.html
- glenn
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| Glenn F. Roberts, Falls Church, VA
| Comments are my own and not the opinion of my employer
| groberts(a)mitre.org
Well, darn it, I tried, but I just can't get the silly thing to work!
Ok... first volunteer who feels like visiting Kent, WA (yes, Bill, that's
a big hint, especially since I CC'd you on this... <g>) can have this
beast. It's an STC/StorageTek 9-track tape drive, model 2921. When working,
it can do 1600 and 6250 (GCR), sits in a standard 19" rack, has a Pertec
interface, and weighs about 100 lbs. or so.
Notice I say 'when working.' I tried to get it to going, but it seems to
have a sick CPU card. I kind of hate to get rid of it, but I need the space
more than I do the drive and a new CPU card was quoted as being around $800
(yikes! My skylight blinds are going to cost that much!)
Come to think of it, if anyone's got a working dual-density drive that
they feel like getting rid of, I would love to know about it. ;-)
Thanks in advance. E-mail or call me at (253) 639-9555 for details.
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"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
At 01:56 PM 6/13/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Say someone had a nice, working IMSAI 8080 in decent condition. How
>much, realistically, could one expect to sell this for?
Haddock lists it at 150-225... (Values are for complete systems, with
everything that came with it, but not boxes, and not nec. working.)
>Victor 9000, working...how much?
I paid $100 + tax for mine. Took me a while to find it, too.
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While Isaac Davis wrote:
Wait a minute, it was an Olivetti, but I can't remember the
>> model. The coolest part was turning the lights off when it was printing and
>> watching the sparks fly across the paper as it printed. That's a printer I
>> would like to have again.
At 21:28 12/06/97 -0600, Jeff wrote:
>Y' know, I seems to me that some of these 'sparky' dot matrix
>printers used aluminized "thermal" paper.
No Jeff, this Olivetti "sparkling" system was different and was not using
thermal-conductive (=aluminium) paper (at least the one I know); was a real
DRY INK JET.
The "bullet-shaped" cartridge was containing the DRY INK (a sort of TONER)
and a high-voltage electric field was made between the rubber(but conductive)
roll, and the head. In this way the particles of positive electrically
charged toner is "aimed" to go against the negative charged roll, but in
between there is the paper (common paper), so the electricity pass, but ink
stay.
>I used to have a stack of
>old machine runs on such paper, and I remember certain cheesy
>cash-registers using the same kind of paper tape (about 1981 or so .
also this DRY system was widely used by Olivetti on desktop financial
calculator (I have one working) and cash-registers
I think that the system was good for those applications (fast,quite
silent,working on common paper instead thermal and..yes,cool in the dark)
but the problem was the powder spread all around the printing bay of the
machine, so when bubble jet came out...
Sorry for my instinctive and not-checked english.
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> Aha! YUV is something I recognize now. I believe this is what broadcast
> professionals call component video. (Let's see if I'll be right one out of
> two.)
>
> > The signals are transmitted this way in broadcast TV to ensure
> > compatibility between colour and BW tellies. They are also the signals
> > that would normally be sent to a TV (UHF or VHF) modulator from the
> > computer, hence their presence on the video connector.
>
> Hmmm... any modulator I've ever worked on had a composite input. Is this
> maybe more common in European systems?
Hmm. I'm getting out of my depth at this point. I've not dealt in
detail with many colour modulators but I recall the Sinclair Spectrum
had YUV as opposed to RGB on its expansion port.
The computer obviously uses RGB internally (although I don't see why one
couldn't design a machine to do YUV instead!) and it has to be converted
to YUV at some stage in the modulation process. My guess (no evidence
to back this up) is that the more expensive modulators - the ones one is
likely to be able to buy for one's own projects - accept composite, but
many mass-producing manufacturers got away with a cheaper modulator by
putting the conversion in the (custom) chip in the video circuitry.
Philip.
Found this in comp.os.cpm. It is on the wrong side of the country
for me.
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* Originally By: Calvin Krusen (Local BBS)
* Originally To: All
* Originally Re: Kaypro 2 For sale
* Original Area: General Interest
While cleaning the basement of the company I work for, I found a
Kaypro 2 "portable" PC. Its blue with an integrated 5" green
monitor and two 5-1/4" disk drives. On power up, it tries to boot
>from one of the drives and displays a message on the display to
insert system disk.
I'm not looking for any money for it, just a good home.
It weighs about 27 lbs, so you would have to pick up the shipping
>from Warrington, PA (just outside Philadelphia).
I'll give one week for responses then it goes in the trash.
Email me direct at ckrusen(a)erols.com or call me at my place of work\
215/343-6600 x122.
Calvin Krusen
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MEECO Inc.
Warrington, PA 18976
215/343-6600 x122
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At 07:47 PM 6/12/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I noticed their web page and it looks like a pretty good collection!
>One thing I didn't see there was information about how it got started,
>who was involved, what kind of a group it is, etc. Can you help out and
>fill in the blanks? Thanks!
Okay, let me put in a disclaimer that a) I have a horrible memory and b) I'm
not super involved in the day-to-day stuff (I've spent the last 2 years
dealing with the passing of my mother and taking care of my father among
other disasters -- the best thing in the last two years has been having to
have my entire sewer system replaced because of tree roots completely
clogging it.) (Oh, and a general disclaimer that I really don't know as
much as people seem to think I do.)
Anyway, what happened is Kip Crosby realized that much of our history was
disappearing as companies tossed their old, non-pc systems in favor of
Gateway 2000's et al. I think this came about because he replaced Brenda
(his older, multi-user micro (IMS? something like that)) with PC's. Being a
realist, however, he decided to concentrate on California computers only (A
daunting task in and of itself). I think he hoped to see other orgs
covering other areas in the future.
I knew Kip from eons ago (early 80's) when we were on a couple of Fido
BBS's. He rang me and a couple others up and we got together, tossed around
the ideas. He got going on it, and I signed on as Secretary. I must admit,
though, that I kinda left most of it in his capable hands. (I trust him to
do it right.)
The focus (from what I see) right now is research and the Analytical Engine
(the magazine). Also, collecting/cataloging classic computers. Right now,
the collection (which I'm pretty sure is not fully represented on the web
pages) exists in a bunch of containers in San Jose. There are plans for a
museum at some point, as well as exhibits.
The coup d'grace (is that the right word?) for CHAC was saving the SDS 930
>from Colorado. This is a Mainframe built in (IIRC) 1963 here in California.
It was then sent to Colorado for NASA? to use, and ended up doing something
with Weather. It was in use up to a few years ago, and was going to be
scrapped, but Kip worked his tail off to save it and bring it out here where
it will become the centerpiece of the assn's displays.
Hmmm... Perhaps I should pass this on to Kip himself before I pass on too
much misinformation... 8^)
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Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Kai Kaltenbach said:
> | And if we caught anybody throwing anything out we'd jump out
>of the back
> | of the van and beat them senseless (and then pick their stuff
>out of the
> | trash)
> | LeS
>
>No need for violence... we'll just go to their house and throw out their
>Pentium :)
>Kai
No... you've got that wrong... we'll go to their house and *steal* their
Pentium, so that we can sell it on the black market for money to buy more
classic computers with!!!! ;^>
"Merch"
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zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.
In my previous message I wrote (re: meanings of video signals),
> The other two signals are the quadrature components of chrominance.
> They are derived from Y by subtracting red and blue, and are normally
> called U and V (in some order).
>
> The colour telly receives U and V phase modulated onto a subcarrier (I
> think). The hue control on American tellies sets the baseline against
> which phase is measured here. (In Europe, the PAL system reverses the
> phase each line, so any hue errors should cancel out)
Before someone like Tony jumps down my throat, U and V are _amplitude_
modulated onto the subcarrier, in quadrature with one another. Thus the
phase of the subcarrier gives the hue, and its amplitude the saturation.
I hope you are not any more confused than before :-)
Philip.
| And if we caught anybody throwing anything out we'd jump out
of the back
| of the van and beat them senseless (and then pick their stuff
out of the
| trash)
| LeS
No need for violence... we'll just go to their house and throw out their
Pentium :)
Kai
You can find the info on
http://www.research.ibm.com/quantuminfo/teleportation/
:)
Kai
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> From: Marvin[SMTP:marvin@rain.org]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 1997 10:10 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: IBM Transporter
>
> In looking at Bill's collection on the Web, I noticed a reference to
> the
> IBM Transporter. I found a card that had those words on it and am
> curious what this thing is, what it does, is software required, etc.
> Thanks.
>
Bill:
You have a great listserver here, and I'm glad I've subscribed. I'm going
to assume (and yes, I know the consequences <g>) that advertising a
special-interest listserve is o.k. provided it's within the realm of this
list.
Well, they are. I have started two listservers, one of which used to be
*very* popular in it's heyday (which, unforch, has passed it seems) and the
other solely because there wasn't one.
The first is a replacement for Andrew Diller's Model 100/102/200 listserve,
and one can subscribe by going to the web page at:
http://home.northernway.net/~zmerch/signupform.html
or sending an e-mail to m100-request(a)list.northernway.net with "subscribe"
(no quotes) in the _Subject:_ of the message. To send messages to the list,
e-mail m100(a)list.northernway.net.
The second is my own creation, because there was no Tandy Model 600
listserver. It can be accessed thru it's web page at:
http://home.northernway.net/~zmerch/signupm600.html
or sending an e-mail to m600-request(a)list.northernway.net with "subscribe"
(no quotes) in the _Subject:_ of the message. To send messages to the list,
e-mail m600(a)list.northernway.net.
I don't have to mention to anyone just how wonderful these lists can be for
information... If you're interested in these machines, come on in and join
the fun!
Thanks for the bandwidth,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should
zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.
I haven't received any new issues of the Classic Computer mailings since
June 7th. Is there anything wrong? This has happened before, maybe it's
my mail provider. Should I sign off and re-register as a new member of
the list?
> At 09:24 AM 6/11/97 -0700, Sam wrote:
> >On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, James Willing wrote:
> >
> >> Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to
> develop
> >> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are
> >> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options.
<snip>
> >> Or am I just dreaming out loud?
> >
> >Not at all. This is a terrific idea! I nominate Bill Whitson to
> >formulate this list :)
I think that we should take this a little more seriously. I propose that we
form regional SWAT teams. In the event of a classic computer crisis the
nearest SWAT team would be dispatched. Ideally each team would be comprised
of individuals who each had a separate area of expertise, i.e. Apple II,
Coco, TI, etc. Rescued computers could then be placed in foster homes until
caring, loving permanent homes could be found. :-)
Lou
Here's one for the printer books. I had a printer for my atari 800 that we
order out of the DAK catalog. It used a little cartridge shaped like a
bullet with a contact on the end. The printer would fire a spark and
actually burn the dots onto the paper to make the characters. It was
relatively slow, but considering it had to make about 9 passes to form a row
of characters it did pretty well. I can still remember the burning smell
everytime you would print something out. It was really a neat little
printer, and I can't for the life of me figure out why we got rid of it. I
still have the driver disk for it, but the actual name of the thing escapes
me right now. Wait a minute, it was an Olivetti, but I can't remember the
model. The coolest part was turning the lights off when it was printing and
watching the sparks fly across the paper as it printed. That's a printer I
would like to have again.
Isaac Davis | Don't throw out that old computer,
idavis(a)comland.com | check out the Classic Computer Rescue List -
indavis(a)juno.com | http://www.comland.com/~idavis/classic/classic.html
At 03:16 PM 6/12/97 -0800, you wrote:
>I remember showing an undergraduate how it was possible to plug
>a modem into a terminal and dial up to a shell account. He was
>so amazed that the world had been easily fooled into thinking that you
>need a computer to access the Internet :-)
The San Francisco Public Library has terminals (DEC VT220's?) in every
library. My girlfriend was impressed when I used Lynx to telnet to my
account to check mail one day... 8^)
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sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
At 04:20 PM 6/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Here's one for the printer books. I had a printer for my atari 800 that we
>order out of the DAK catalog. It used a little cartridge shaped like a
>bullet with a contact on the end. The printer would fire a spark and
>actually burn the dots onto the paper to make the characters. It was
Actually, it was an InkJet... I think I still have some of the ink
cartridges around somewhere. (I was paranoid that I might not be able to
find more when I ran out, so I bought a whole bunch.) The sparks were to
convince the ink to jump onto the page, I think.
>me right now. Wait a minute, it was an Olivetti, but I can't remember the
It was indeed an Olivetti, but I too have forgotten the model.
>would like to have again.
Me too. I remember demoing mine for ABACUS, the Atari Bay Area Computer
Users Society. That thing is what made it possible for me to pass English
in college! (I loathe the physical act of writing, so I never did any work,
until I could type it up on my 600xl (and later, 800) and print it out.)
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> > if anyone can shed some light on these, let us know):
> >
> > 1. "12v vid"
> > 2. R-Y (colorburst clock)
>
> Red - (minus) Yellow
>
> > >3. Audio out
> > >4. Y
>
> Yellow
>
> > >5. B-Y (ext video input?)
>
> Blue - yellow
>
> > >U. Ground
>
> Just a different way to send an 'RGB' signal. I'm not sure what the merit is
> of sending it this way... any video techs out there? I'll cc this to one who
> might know.
Um... No. Sorry. Close though.
Y is not yellow, i'm afraid. These signals derive from the way
luminance and chrominance are handled in a telly.
Y is intensity (luminance). It is made up of red, green and blue in the
rough proportions that generate intensity in a human eye. This is the
only part of the signal that a black and white telly (or greyscale
monitor) would decode.
The other two signals are the quadrature components of chrominance.
They are derived from Y by subtracting red and blue, and are normally
called U and V (in some order).
The colour telly receives U and V phase modulated onto a subcarrier (I
think). The hue control on American tellies sets the baseline against
which phase is measured here. (In Europe, the PAL system reverses the
phase each line, so any hue errors should cancel out)
The signals are transmitted this way in broadcast TV to ensure
compatibility between colour and BW tellies. They are also the signals
that would normally be sent to a TV (UHF or VHF) modulator from the
computer, hence their presence on the video connector.
Hope this helps! I could be more specific if I had some of my reference
books from home...
Philip.
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Bloedem Volke unverstaendlich treiben wir des Lebens Spiel.
Grade das, was unabwendlich fruchtet unserm Spott als Ziel.
Magst es Kinder-Rache nennen an des Daseins tiefem Ernst;
Wirst das Leben besser kennen, wenn du uns verstehen lernst.
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>From: Doug Spence <ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca>
>Subject: C64 CP/M carts (was: Re: Yet another weekend haul story)
>On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, George Lin wrote:
>> At 11:24 PM 6/1/97 -0700, you wrote:
>> ><...>
>> >> accessories including a CP/M cartridge for C64
>> >
>> >A CP/M _carthridge_? Awesome.
>>
>> I just tried it yesterday. Pretty cool. The Z80 is in the cartridge. The
>> package comes with a CP/M 2.2 diskette for 1541 and a condensed CP/M manual
>> by Commodore (copyright 1983). There is a K-Mart price tag on the original
>> box that reads $54. Not bad.
NOTE: the Commodore CP/M Cart is only usable on the oldest of the 64s
(usually models with the 5-pin DIN plug for video. It would seem that
when Commodore debugged some video problems they tweaked the system
speed slightly which made the CP/M cartridge unusable.
>This reminds me... I also have a Z80 cartridge for the C64. But it's not
>the one from Commodore. It's from a company called DATA 20 Corporation.
>I haven't been able to get it to work. It has what looks like a connector
>for a power supply on the back, but I didn't get the PS with it. It also
>came without any disks, though it did have a cassette in the box with it,
>which says "Use side A for Commodore 64/Use side B for VIC 20".
>It's a Z-80 Video Pak, that combines the Z80 processor AND an 80-column
>display adapter into one (big fat) cartridge.
Are you sure the plug isn't for some sort of video cable contraption?
(the Data-20 carts usually sported an 80 column composite video output.)
>To quote from the box:
> The Z-80 Video Pak brings the convenience of an 80 column screen and
> the power of a CP/M compatible operating system to the Commodore 64.
> Designed to be used with a monitor, the Z-80 Video Pak lets the
> Commodore 64 owner switch to a 40 or 80 column screen in black and
> white, or back to the standard color screen. All switching is done
> through software and no cables need to be moved.
> The Z-80 Video Pak has its own Z-80 microprocessor and operating
> system which allows the 64 to run CP/M software formatted for the
> Commodore 1541 disk drive. A Terminal mode which brings communication
> with central data bases is included at no extra cost. The Z-80 Video
> Pak also supports the advanced screen handling features of all Video
> Pak models such as erase to the end of line, erase to end of screen,
> and dump screen to printer.
>If anyone out there knows this thing's power requirements (AAAGH! Another
>wall-wart!) and where to get CP/M disks in 1541 format, please tell. :)
If there is power needed for it, I haven't seen anything mentioning
requirements... yet.
Larry Anderson
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>>True, that's bizarre... they appear to be especially common in the
>>northwest. But just try to find a PEB!
<snip>
>The closer you get to Texas, the more abundant TI-99 stuff gets.
So true! I worked for TI in Dallas at the time of the big selloff. I remember buying several consoles for $25, a PEB for $20, several monitors for $50, and catridges for $.50 each. All brand new in boxes. What a madhouse it was.
Bob
slightly off but information needed.
Cipher model st150s-II 6150? cartridge tape drive scsi interface.
I need data on this jumpers commands anything.
Allison
At 01:32 AM 6/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>- I'd like a MSX machine as well (never even seen one in anything other
>than magazine articles)
I *sorta* have an MSX machine. It was donated to ABACUS, the Atari Bay Area
Computer Users Society, but isn't of much interest to the club. So it sits
in my garage (or attic?). One of these days, I'll get around to making a
suitable cash donation to the club and move it in with my collection.
In the meantime, if anyone wants any info or anything, let me know and I'll
dig it up...
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sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
The 99/4A DIN video pinout is (format in monospace for best
readability):
3 1
5 4
2
where (and no, I didn't write these descriptions, they're pretty
bizarre. I typed them verbatim; if anyone can shed some light on these,
let us know):
1. "12v vid"
2. R-Y (colorburst clock)
3. Audio out
4. Y
5. B-Y (ext video input?)
U. Ground
Kai
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> From: Cord Coslor[SMTP:coslor@pscosf.peru.edu]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 1:21 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: TI-99/4A Comments
>
> I have a question for you folks. I have a basic TI 99/4a.... that's
> it. No
> cables, no peripherals, no nothing with it. I am wanting to get this
> machine up to operation and am looking for anything that you folks
> might
> have available. I have a large assortment of running machines in my
> collection... TRS-80s, CoCo, Commodores, etc., etc., and would like to
> add
> this classic machine to my 'operational' collection. Can anyone help
> me
> out?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> CORD
>
> //*===================================================================
> ==++
> || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru,
> NE ||
> || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu
> 68421-0308 ||
> || Classic computer software and hardware collector
> ||
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>
fyi, posted on comp.os.cpm ...
- glenn
A friend in a bit of a time bind will probably be sending a PDP 11/34
to the landfill very soon. If you want it, and probably a half dozen
other assorted racks of minicomputers plus hundreds of reels of 1/2"
tape, but NO S-100 stuff (you can probably guess who got THAT!) e-mail
immediately.......
stuff is located in Tucson, very close to I-10
sorry, no one available to pack it, but Amtrak does stop here.......
and they shi[p stuff pretty cheap......
bill_h(a)azstarnet.com
> | WoW! The more I hear about this thing the more I want one.
>It's amazing
> | that this system was so unknown in the states. It's like
>discovering a
> | whole new species.
>
>Yep, I was obviously thrilled when I ran into my Spectravideo 328 in its
>original box, for $5 at a local thrift...
>
>Sorry Sam, didn't mean to gloat there.
>
>Did I mention it was accompanied by the cassette drive in its original
>box too?
>
>Kai
Me too...well not in original boxes but I do have one with monitor
(TV+modulator?) disk drives, cassette deck,software,CPM 3 (?) etc that I
got for eqiv US$12. The only thing is that it intermittantly resets itsself
and I have not had a chance to look at ti since I got the thing,
I also got
a set of boards from a cromenco s100 system for nothing :-)
2 TRS80 model 3s (which I can hopefully get 1 working) $0
1 TRS80 model 4P (Repaired phase locked loop circuit in video) $0
1 Sinclair Z88 with MacLink ROM installed $4
1 Sinclair ZX 81 not going $0
2 Sinclair QL's with 1 mono monitor $0
1 Apple ][e with drives and UHF TV/Monitor $9
1 Kaypro 4 a couple of years back for $30
1 Kaypro 10 (fitted new HD ) for $0
1 ALTOS 8088 Unix based system supposedly in working condition (yet to try) $20
1 IBM PC $0
1 IBM XT $0
1 VT100 terminal $0
and soon to arrive is
2 TRS80 model 1
1 TRS80 model 3
1 TRS80 model 4D
1 Dicksmith Systems 80
1 Amstrad 464
1 Amstrad PCW8256
and I'm on the scent of
Apple Lisa
Amstrad PC Clone
Amstrad monitor (suits the 464/664/6128)
Commodore 64
Commodore PET
Atari 800
Sinclair spectrum
Sinclair ZX80 (kit set..maybe unbuilt !)
PDP 11 (model unknown)
Microvax (dead PSU)
However I would like to acquire
Jupiter Ace (forth based machine)
Commodore SX64
Any Bondwell CPM machines
Cheers and good hunting
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True, that's bizarre... they appear to be especially common in the
northwest. But just try to find a PEB!
Kai
> ----------
> From: Bill Whitson[SMTP:bill@booster.bothell.washington.edu]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 1997 3:52 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: TI99 (was Re: 8088s seattle comp.)
>
>
> Not along the same topic but I'm curious - just how
> popular was the TI99. From what I've seen scrounging
> over the years it looks like it might have been the
> most popular (or at least most numerous) micro ever made.
> Now, I know that's not true. It's just strange - I
> could go out this weekend and easily come home with 30-
> 40 of these machines, wait a month or two and probably do
> it again. There's one local junk store here that had
> 11 of them lying around when last I checked. They're
> like roaches ;).
>
> Bill
>
> HOWEVER, like other posters to this list, I have a wife that "simply
> doesn't understand the value of old computers" and am currently
Ha! I am the wife! I control the... Well I don't have that problem
other than a KI10 would be out of the question unless "just passing
through". ;-)
Allison
At 03:20 PM 6/11/97 -0700, you wrote:
>A printer is a printer, but since nobody really looks upon these as
>collectible, they are the most likely to be overlooked or sent to the
>scrap heap. A big problem is that they often weigh a lot and are a
>burden to store. Nonetheless, I have recently started to collect the old
The Computer History Association of California has printers in its
collection, and (I think) is as interested in saving printers as anything
else.
P.S., I'll put in a plug for the CHAC here... Good org, great mag, everyone
should join/subscribe. For more info, see <http://www.chac.org/>. (I am,
btw, on the board of directors, but mostly I'm just handy for getting the
container doors closed. 8^)
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San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
I had my Atari 800 up and running again today, testing out my 1050 drive
and such, and decided to toy with the Atari 1030 modem I have sitting here for
it. I had forgotten how interesting an item it is. For those of you that
aren't familiar with it, it's an external 300baud modem that plugs into the
same general I/O ports as the Atari disk drives and such. You turn on the
modem first, then the Atari 8bit, and the 8bit actually boots into a program
called 'Modemlink', which is stored in ROM on the modem. No disks, cartridges
or anything...just the computer and the modem! Modemlink is pretty basic, but
it does autodial. Might be time to fire it up and try it again on one of the
local C-64 BBS's running on the Color64 software still since they support 40
column mode.
That certainly beats the heck out of the compatibility issues I had to deal
with concerning terminal programs and BBS's on the PC with early 1200 and 2400
baud modems. Not to mention there's no setup.
Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com
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Amiga 1000, Apple II+, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System,
Coleco ADAM, Commodore 128D, 16, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155,
Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osborne Executive, Radofin Aquarius,
Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color
Computer-3, Model 4, and Model 4P, plus Odyssey2, Atari Superpong
and 2600VCS game consoles.
In a message dated 97-06-11 02:45:42 EDT, you write:
> Do any of you collectors
> have a use for them or need them to complete a given machine?
I certainly could use three or four. A lot of the older machines including
the Kaypro 2's and IBM PC's and XT's came equipped with Tandon drives which
were poorly made. As a result I have two or three machines sitting around
that need 5 1/4" full height drive transplants. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
Regards,
Lou
At 08:48 AM 6/12/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Can't help with compatibility although the pinout for the Atari Joystick
>is:
>
>Pin 1 - Forward
>Pin 2 - Back
>Pin 3 - Left
>Pin 4 - Right
>Pin 5 - No Connection
>Pin 6 - Trigger
>Pin 7 - No Connection
>Pin 8 - Ground
>Pin 9 - No Connection
Because the Atari (same as commodore and others) joysticks are digital
(on/off for each direction; done with simple switches) instead of analog
(varying amount of each direction; done with potentiometers) like most PC
joysticks, it is rather easy to build alternative input devices, whether
it's something to stand on, or a bunch of buttons, or whatever.
I think the other pins (5, 7, 9) were used for the paddles (which were
analog devices.)
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
btw, there's also an interesting sounding doohickey up for bid:
'84 Portable Personal Computer Sord IS-11C (item #xjw18405)
Ends sunday the 15th, and there are 7 available. Anyone know anything about
it?
You can get to it at <http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=xjw18405>.
Min bid is $25, though.
AuctionWeb is a good place to find interesting things sometimes, especially
early PC and just-before-pc stuff. (And I hate to tell people because that
means more bidders which means higher bids...)
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
That's a Cipher ST150. It's a old, generic (apart from being early
SCSI) 150MB 1/4" SCSI tape drive. It's still supported by most backup
software.
Kai
> ----------
> From: allisonp@world.std.com[SMTP:allisonp@world.std.com]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 1997 6:06 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: looking for info on tape drive
>
> slightly off but information needed.
>
> Cipher model st150s-II 6150? cartridge tape drive scsi interface.
>
> I need data on this jumpers commands anything.
>
> Allison
>
At 14:38 11/06/97 -0500, Issac Davis wrote:
>I can see that we are going to inundate this list with our home locations.
>I will go ahead and volunteer to keep the list, and put it up on my web
>site. If you want to be added to this list, email me idavis(a)comland.com
>with your name, city/area, and a way to contact you - email or phone. After
>the list is compiled, I will put it on the web, and will be able to email it
>to anyone involved.
>Feel free to give me any contact information you want. I will only include
what you tell me to.
>Isaac Davis
>idavis(a)comland.com
>indavis(a)juno.com
Hi, Isaac,
really a very good idea.
So here I am:
NAME:Riccardo Romagnoli
CITY/AREA:Forli'(FO)/Emilia Romagna/Italy
WAY TO CONTACT ME:chemif@mbox.queen.it
Fax:+39-(0)543-402190
Telex:551132 CHEMIF I (yes, the old 50 BAUD stuff!)
RANGE:Emilia-Romagna region (Ev. North side of the "boot")
MAIN AREA OF INTEREST:Mini's from 70's (esp. Texas DS990/x
family);Micro;Olivetti;all kind teletypes machines from any age;Printers.
I will be glad to exchange any information and documents I have (or search
if needed) about classics coming from Italy.
CIAO!
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Riccardo Romagnoli,collector of:CLASSIC COMPUTERS,TELETYPE UNITS,PHONE AND
PHONECARDS I-47100 Forli'/Emilia-Romagna/Food Valley/ITALY
Pager:DTMF PHONES=+39/16888(hear msg.and BEEP then 5130274*YOUR TEL. NUMBER*
where*=asterisk key | for help visit http://www.tim.it/tldrin_eg/tlde03.html
TELEX:551132 CHEMIF I
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
| WoW! The more I hear about this thing the more I want one.
It's amazing
| that this system was so unknown in the states. It's like
discovering a
| whole new species.
Yep, I was obviously thrilled when I ran into my Spectravideo 328 in its
original box, for $5 at a local thrift...
Sorry Sam, didn't mean to gloat there.
Did I mention it was accompanied by the cassette drive in its original
box too?
Kai
somebody, i dont remember, put forth:
>Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop
>> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are
>> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options.
>> Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to
>> pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want
>> it.
feel free to add me to the list. i'd be glad to go out and discover new finds
and give the opportunity for others to get it before the scrapyard does. i've
a truck and a 3 bedroom house, so storage is no problem! =D
david
Ok, I have taken the info I got from today, and put it up on the web.
Nothing fancy, and I haven't indexed it yet with any search engines. Take a
look at it and let me know what you think, or if you want to change your
information. The url is:
http://www.comland.com/~idavis/classic/classic.html
Any suggestions? Let me know and I will change it before we tell the rest
of the world about it.
Isaac Davis
idavis(a)comland.com
indavis(a)juno.com
My GOD! Has anyone seen this??? SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING!
Sam
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Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
---------- Forwarded message ----------
here's the major info about the mini's now sitting under the Tucson
sun, soon to be landfill......
PDP 11/34: two machines - one with 3 lights, 2 toggle switches and a
rotary switch; one with a 4x5 keypad, rotary switch, and
little digital display (led's?)
PDP 11/35: full front panel with maybe 35 switches in a row across the
bottom (sort of like an Imsai)
Industrial 11 (in pieces) front panel looks something like 11/35, but in
red and blue (even more like Imsai)
RX02 pair of 8" disk drives in a box
several assorted hard drives, rack mount, desk-top 14" (VERY heavy!),
9672-type CDC disk drive in cabinet, etc
VAX 11/780 double-wide 5-1/2 foot high cabinet - can't get to the front
so don't know if there's anybody home there.....
Large rack mounted tape unit....about all I can tell is it's DEC
Rack box (sitting on the ground) RK05f DEC Pack
DECScope - looks sort of like a desk-top micro all-in-one
keyboard/monitor
several other DEC racks; many reels of tape; manuals; misc
also many terminal/monitors
I doubt this stuff will be around for more than a day or two.....
bill_h(a)azstarnet.com
--
Sam
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Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
Hey everyone. There has been a great response to the list of people willing
to go out of their way to pick up our beloved classics and save them from a
fate worse than death. I have added all of the people that have requested
it so far today, and did a little work on the page. I think it is ready for
the general public to know about. There wasn't a single complaint about any
part, so I think that's a thumbs up. I will be getting it listed in the
major search engines on the web, so maybe we can get some real results from
it soon. I am currently in the process of attempting to get a couple of
pdp8's, and am working on arrangements to store them for a fellow classic
computer list subscriber until he can pick them up. Exactly what this list
is all about. Comments are more than welcome, and let me know if you want to
be on the list.
http://www.comland.com/~idavis/classic/classic.html
Isaac Davis | Don't throw out that old computer,
idavis(a)comland.com | check out the Classic Computer Rescue List -
indavis(a)juno.com | http://www.comland.com/~idavis/classic/classic.html
Howdy:
Does anyone out there have the old Atari 800LX Atari Artist cartridge? It
is catalog # RX8053. Please let me know as I have been looking for it for
some time.
Thanks,
CORD COSLOR
Archive Software
//*=====================================================================++
|| Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE ||
|| (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 ||
|| Classic computer software and hardware collector ||
|| Autograph collector ||
++=====================================================================*//
> > PS I've been having a little surf trying to find this info, and in
> my
> > travels came across a site that has a 2600 emulator for download on
> > various platforms! It's at
> > <http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ahornby/v2600.html>
>
> >You should also be able to find a site whereby you can order a
> joystick
> >from. There are probably a couple places in Europe.
>
> From my investigations, new joysticks for the 2600/etc are getting a
> might hard to come by. From what I can tell, no one is making them
> anymore. I do know that Video 61 has them.
>
> -Matt Pritchard
>
>
>
Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Kai Kaltenbach said:
>Actually the Tandy 600 was a 1989 concoction. It looks like an early
>Toshiba laptop, with flip-up narrow LCD display. It has Multiplan, a
>subset of MS Word, a built-in modem, 360K 3.5" drive, 80x16 display, and
>sold for $999. I passed up one of these at a swap meet a few weeks ago.
>
>Kai
<MODE GOOFY=ON>
Nee-ner-nee-ner-neeeee-ner!!!
I finally know something that Kai doesn't!!! ;^>
</MODE>
Sorry, but *my* T600 was built in September of 1985! AAMAF, I have a 1989
sale flyer yet that shows the T600 in "where-is-as-is" status, for the same
$$$ or cheaper than the T200. (one of which I also have!)
Processor was an 80c88 and standard memory was 32K (which was close to
useless, from what I hear. Mine came with 128K, so I wouldn't know.) which
was expanded with up to 2 banks of 96K.
Yes, the floppy was 360K, as it was single-sided with double-density.
Power: 4 internal D-sized nicads giving 11 hours use with no floppy
activity. Files are stored in RAM (like the 100/200/102/NEC 8201A/Olivetti
M10/etc.) and can be copied to floppy using the copy command.
More questions? You can ask me or the list, with the details below.
There is an FTP site for the Tandy 600 at:
ftp://ftp.northernway.net/Tandy600/
and there is a listserve dedicated to the Tandy 600. To find out more about
the listserve, send a message to:
m600-request(a)list.northernway.net
with the word "info" or "help" in the subject.
To subscribe, send a message to:
m600-request(a)list.northernway.net
with the word "sub" or "subscribe" in the subject.
To post a message to the listserve, send a message to:
m600(a)list.northernway.net
and it will automatically go to several people (always looking for more,
folks!) including a man named Larry Kollar, who wrote and maintains a Tandy
600 FAQ.
URL for the FAQ: http://www.nyx.net/~lekollar/t600/t600faq.html
Hope this helps!
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed,
Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should
zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.
Hi all...
I just picked up an Atari 2600 with 3 catridges but there's no power
supply or joysticks. I'm not complaining though, as it only cost 5
Pounds from from a charity shop here in London!
So, the predictable question is what are the specs
for the power supply? (i.e. voltage, current and polarity of what
appears to be a 3.5" jack).
Also can i use the joysticks from a ZX Spectrum or TI-99/4A with it?
If not, can anyone give me details of the pin-out so i can wire up my
own?
TIA...Nick.
PS I've been having a little surf trying to find this info, and in my
travels came across a site that has a 2600 emulator for download on
various platforms! It's at
<http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ahornby/v2600.html>
--
Nick Challoner nickc(a)ladyland.demon.co.uk
Aviation photographs at: http://www.ladyland.demon.co.uk
"Bother" said Pooh, as he deleted his root directory.
At 08:51 AM 6/12/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Oh yea, I should mention the last time this thing was fired up about
>5-7 years ago it had some sort of problem with it staying powered up
>or something. They where not able to get the data off their disks.
>Other then that I don't know anymore details. The original owners of
>this thing was Robert Mueler(sp?) Airport(ATC at its best).
>
>---
>
>So, anyone in the Austin, TX area want to grab this one either for their
>collection, or for holding while it seeks a home?
>
>-jim
>---
>jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com
>The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw
>Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174
>
>
Jim,
I have already emailed Micah, and am waiting for a response. Here a
conincidence for you. My dad works for the FAA, at Robert Mueller as the
Radar Technician. If I get this, I will see if he knows about it. I will
let everyone know how it goes.
Isaac Davis
idavis(a)comland.com
indavis(a)juno.com
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:38:43 GMT
From: Micah Voiers <micah1(a)flash.net>
Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp8
Subject: FS: pdp 8
I have what I think are 2 pdp 8(a I think) I see two omni hex
processor boards, 2 rko 5 drives( one has some rust on one side), two
case things with power supply, 4 or 5 memory boards a few controllers,
1 face plate. FREE, OBO.
The pdp is in Austin, I am in Ft Worth, Texas. I would rather not
haul this thing up here. I won't ship it cause that would seem like a
major pain in the neck., unless ya pay, a lot. Also got about 10
trs-80 model 3's. I would like to keep this for historical sake but
it is heavy and takes up a lot of space.
Let me know
micah1(a)flash.net
Oh yea, I should mention the last time this thing was fired up about
5-7 years ago it had some sort of problem with it staying powered up
or something. They where not able to get the data off their disks.
Other then that I don't know anymore details. The original owners of
this thing was Robert Mueler(sp?) Airport(ATC at its best).
---
So, anyone in the Austin, TX area want to grab this one either for their
collection, or for holding while it seeks a home?
-jim
---
jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com
The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw
Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174
The joysticks, for the c64, atari2600, atari 400,800,1200 series of
computers are all identical. Any joystick that is rated for these machines
will work just fine. I'll have to double check, but im pretty positive the
power is 9vDC around 300mv, possibly up to 500mv, not sure.
----------
> From: Nick Challoner <nickc(a)ladyland.demon.co.uk>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Atari 2600 questions
> Date: Thursday, June 12, 1997 8:01 AM
>
> Hi all...
>
> I just picked up an Atari 2600 with 3 catridges but there's no power
> supply or joysticks. I'm not complaining though, as it only cost 5
> Pounds from from a charity shop here in London!
>
> So, the predictable question is what are the specs
> for the power supply? (i.e. voltage, current and polarity of what
> appears to be a 3.5" jack).
>
> Also can i use the joysticks from a ZX Spectrum or TI-99/4A with it?
> If not, can anyone give me details of the pin-out so i can wire up my
> own?
>
> TIA...Nick.
>
> PS I've been having a little surf trying to find this info, and in my
> travels came across a site that has a 2600 emulator for download on
> various platforms! It's at
> <http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ahornby/v2600.html>
>
> --
> Nick Challoner nickc(a)ladyland.demon.co.uk
> Aviation photographs at: http://www.ladyland.demon.co.uk
> "Bother" said Pooh, as he deleted his root directory.
I can see that we are going to inundate this list with our home locations.
I will go ahead and volunteer to keep the list, and put it up on my web
site. If you want to be added to this list, email me idavis(a)comland.com
with your name, city/area, and a way to contact you - email or phone. After
the list is compiled, I will put it on the web, and will be able to email it
to anyone involved. Maybe I can try and get some outside exposure with web
search engines to help people outside of this list to be able to contact us
before they take their "junk" to the landfill. Feel free to give me any
contact information you want. I will only include what you tell me to.
Isaac Davis
idavis(a)comland.com
indavis(a)juno.com
Hey!
I put an old 10 MB hard drive case on AuctionWeb last week. Nobody is bidding on
it so if it doesn't sell, it's free. It's just a white case with a fan and power
supply. A really nice guy wrote and offered the drive that goes in it for
shipping only (see bottom of message). Auction ends tomorrow-hurry!
Here's what you do, go to the auction link:
http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=dkq99203
Bid $1. If nobody outbids you, it's yours for shipping only. Just remind me if I
don't recognize your email address. Shipping should be less than $5. You could do
the whole thing for less than $10. Worth it? I dunno.
? By the way, there's an Imagewriter I that's only up to $3+shipping at:
http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=qpa201
? And a cool like new thermal printer for laptops (circa 1984) at:
http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=yrk8174
? And I have a few C-64's and 1541 drives that are dead. Free + shipping if
anyone's interested. Oh and a Okimate 10 printer that's laying around too.
*** The guy with the drive that goes in it is:
> Subject: tandy hd case
> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 21:03:20 PDT
> From: "Roger LaPointe" <eldens(a)concentric.net>
> To: gmast(a)oboe.aix.calpoly.edu
>
>
> I've got a 10 meg hd (tandon) that came in one of the cases.
>
> if you can use it, you can have it for the actual ups costs. ($3 or $4 ???)
> it just sits on the shelf, and I hated to throw it away (along with all the
> Seagate ST-225's)
>
> thanx Roger
>
>
Hi all,
I'm looking for a power cable for my Cromemco System 3. It's kind of a
bizarre cable. The recessed male panel jack is a flattened oval, 1" by
1/2", with 3 conductors. The center ground pin is very slightly offset
>from the other two pins.
Any thoughts where I can get one of these?
thanks
Kai
I couldn't resist going into a favorite thrift store today, and boy what
a find I made. First there's the Tandy 1000EX. Cool, but definitely not
as cool as the Burroughs adding machine! I have no idea what year this
thing is from, but it's case is made of a steel frame with glass sides so
you can see the mechanisms inside. I don't know how much it's worth, but
I picked it up for $50. This thing is heavy (about 50-60lbs). I love
it! I'm going to make it the centerpiece of my in-home museum (someday).
Sam
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Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
At 04:25 PM 6/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Somewhere in the back of my head I had the idea that a TDP-100
>was a Coco with added serial hardware included so that Radio
>Shack could sell it as a color video terminal. Does anyone
>else remember this, or am I completely out of my mind?
They did sell a "VideoTex" terminal that sure looked like a coco. Sold it
for use with CompuServe, (among others,) as I recall. Perhaps this is what
you're thinking of?
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Hi Issac, thanks for volunteering to maintain the list! I think this is
a wonderful idea and one that will help us all.
Marvin Johnston
marvin(a)rain.org
(805) 6897-8881
Santa Barbara, CA
Primary Interest: Early Microcomputers from the 70's and associated
documentation.
Found one! Vetco here in Bellevue had a box of 'em... at the usurious
price of $9.50, but what can ya do?
At least I picked up some interesting 8-bit ISA cards for $1-$4 apiece,
namely:
- Silicon Valley ADP50 (IDE drives in PCs!)
- Kaypro NEC V20 accelerator/Z80 emulator card
- Kraft dual joystick adapter
- Ad Lib sound card
Kai
> ----------
> From: James Willing[SMTP:jimw@agora.rdrop.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 4:48 PM
> To: Kai Kaltenbach
> Cc: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: Power cable for Cromemco
>
> On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Kai Kaltenbach wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for a power cable for my Cromemco System 3. It's kind
> of a
> > bizarre cable. The recessed male panel jack is a flattened oval, 1"
> by
> > 1/2", with 3 conductors. The center ground pin is very slightly
> offset
> > from the other two pins.
> >
> > Any thoughts where I can get one of these?
>
> Actually, not too odd at all. Don't know about currently (as I've not
> looked for a while) but these used to be quite common on office
> equipment.
>
> And... (if you did not see this coming) I think I have a spare or two
> around... (gotta turn over *all* of those rocks!)
>
> Bad ASCII art warning!
>
> /-------------\
> | O O |
> | O |
> \-------------/
>
> Looks something (nothing?) like this? eh?
>
> If you don't turn one up local, let me know and I'll try to find one
> to
> send along with the other stuff...
>
> -jim
> ---
> jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com
> The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw
> Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174
>
>Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop
>a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are
>when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options.
>Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to
>pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want
An excellent idea! Sign me up! Hmm... what info? Name, location,
collecting interests, etc?
Uncle Roger
San Francisco
All computers, especially portables.
<sinasohn(a)ricochet.net> or <sinasohn(a)crl.com>
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
One more...hope this doesn't get annoying.
Sam
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Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
---------- Forwarded message ----------
I have the following CP/M hardware for sale:
************************* K10 ******************************
Kaypro 10 v1.9E (1983?)
Boots: KAYPRO 60K CP/M Version 2.2H
Occasionally returns BDOS errors when writing to the hard
drive. I suspect it needs to be replaced (but maybe a good
low-level format would help?)
Does not have system disks (I bought it "as-is" with system
installed on the hard drive). I do, however, have a copy of
of the Kaypro Technical manual (the real McCoy, used by the
technicians...) and the padded carrying case. Will sell all
three and ship anywhere in the lower 48 for $70.
************************** K4 ******************************
Kaypro 4 (semi-cannabalized)
System was plugged in when a lighting strike hit power lines
System no longer sees the keyboard -- the keyboard is good
and worked on another Kaypro. As I recall, the following
subsystems are still good: keyboard, monitor, 2 half-height
diskette drives, and most of the motherboard. (no pwr supply)
Will sell and ship anywhere in the lower 48 for $35.
Send email to: 72530.1626(a)compuserve.com
If you're conveniently located in the Southeast Michigan area
or Northwest Ohio (or willing to drive there), we can set up
a local pickup and dispense with the hassle and expense of
shipping.
Thank you.
From: David Venzke
Compuserve: 72530,1626
Internet: 72530.1626(a)compuserve.com
--
Sam
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Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
I would be happy to help in this collection, I am in Lawrence KS, USA
----------
> From: e.tedeschi <e.tedeschi(a)ndirect.co.uk>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: (fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)
> Date: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 1:23 PM
>
> Isaac Davis wrote:
> >
> > At 09:24 AM 6/11/97 -0700, Sam wrote:
> > >On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, James Willing wrote:
> > >
> > >> Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to
develop
> > >> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others
are
> > >> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local
options.
> > >> Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be
able to
> > >> pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did
want
> > >> it.
> > >>
> > >> Or am I just dreaming out loud?
> > >
> > >Not at all. This is a terrific idea! I nominate Bill Whitson to
> > >formulate this list :)
> > >
> > >
> > >Sam
> >
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
> > >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete,
Writer, Jackass
> > >
> > I agree completely. I would be willing to go pick up stuff headed for
the
> > dump and hold it till someone could make space for it. My house only
has
> > room for a small select few computers, but I could make room in storage
> > until shipping could be arranged. We ought to make this like a Mr. (or
Ms.)
> > Rescue for classics. When the list is started, put me down for the
Austin,
> > TX area.
> > Isaac Davis
> > idavis(a)comland.com
> > indavis(a)juno.com
>
> OK, put me down for southern England (UK)
>
> enrico
> --
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> tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile
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Isaac Davis wrote:
>
> At 09:24 AM 6/11/97 -0700, Sam wrote:
> >On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, James Willing wrote:
> >
> >> Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop
> >> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are
> >> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options.
> >> Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to
> >> pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want
> >> it.
> >>
> >> Or am I just dreaming out loud?
> >
> >Not at all. This is a terrific idea! I nominate Bill Whitson to
> >formulate this list :)
> >
> >
> >Sam
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> >
> I agree completely. I would be willing to go pick up stuff headed for the
> dump and hold it till someone could make space for it. My house only has
> room for a small select few computers, but I could make room in storage
> until shipping could be arranged. We ought to make this like a Mr. (or Ms.)
> Rescue for classics. When the list is started, put me down for the Austin,
> TX area.
> Isaac Davis
> idavis(a)comland.com
> indavis(a)juno.com
OK, put me down for southern England (UK)
enrico
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I personally would like a printer for every machine in my system if one was
made for it and it works.
Sinclair1500, Atari, 400,800xl, 1200xl, C64, TandyColor/2 Tandy Model4, and
almost every apple made.
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> From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Printers
> Date: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 12:36 PM
>
> Along the lines of saving stuff, does anyone collect the old printers?
> I have several including the SWTP 40 column printer, the usual
> assortment of Tandy and CBM printers, a couple of DecWriters (LA36), an
> early Centronics, a number of daisy wheel printers, and my newest
> addition, an ASR 33. But I also run into quite a few (usually free)
> that I don't have the room or inclination to store. I would guess that
> most of the older printers will head for the dump with few people
> caring, but then again ...
I know where you can get a BioRythm, but not if you want to pull the
chip out...
Kai
> ----------
> From: Marvin[SMTP:marvin@rain.org]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 4:49 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: 4004
>
> e.tedeschi wrote:
> >
> > Please have a look at my collection at:
> >
> > <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi/homecomp.htm>
> >
>
> I just took a look ... VERY nice! How long has the museum been in
> existence and how long have you been collecting?
>
> > I am looking for a 4004 microprocessor. Also for an 8008. Does
> anybody
> > know of one going for sale? I will pay cash or have many British
> > computers for trade/swap.
> >
>
> One of the early arcade "games", a unit called BioRhythm" used the
> 4004
> as the processor. Wish I hadn't gotten rid of them all now! I don't
> know if they were exported your way or not.
>
>Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to >develop a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where >others are when things like this pop up so that we could have some local >options. Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be >able to pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone >who did want it.
This seems like an excellent suggestion. Put me down for Dallas/Fort Worth, TX. USA.
Regards,
Bob
> > RS published a technical manual for the color computer; I have a copy of
> > somewhere. HOWEVER I found there's an app note from Motorola with schema
> > that almost exactly match those in the RS technical manual. I don't reca
> > whether it was a 6809 app note or a 6847 app note though. If you can fin
> > set of old Motorola data books you may be able to find it.
>
> It's probably a 6883 (SAM) app note, isn't it?
I don't have the app note but I do have the data book and it has a partial
of what the coco1 might have been.
Allison
At 03:05 AM 6/11/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi, The grey/beige HP terminal with heavy keyboard that have
>black and white "squashed" monitor shaped does have this 8008 chip
>in one of its "card". Accessible by tripping two catches between the
If you're speaking of the venerable HP2645 terminal, I know it had a Z80 in
it. (And some people did rig it up as a crude CP/M machine.) Dunno about
the 8008 though...
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At 11:17 PM 6/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>One more...hope this doesn't get annoying.
Nope, just frustrating -- none of them are near me! 8^(
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At 09:24 AM 6/11/97 -0700, Sam wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, James Willing wrote:
>
>> Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop
>> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are
>> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options.
>> Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to
>> pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want
>> it.
>>
>> Or am I just dreaming out loud?
>
>Not at all. This is a terrific idea! I nominate Bill Whitson to
>formulate this list :)
>
>
>Sam
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>
I agree completely. I would be willing to go pick up stuff headed for the
dump and hold it till someone could make space for it. My house only has
room for a small select few computers, but I could make room in storage
until shipping could be arranged. We ought to make this like a Mr. (or Ms.)
Rescue for classics. When the list is started, put me down for the Austin,
TX area.
Isaac Davis
idavis(a)comland.com
indavis(a)juno.com
At 01:59 PM 6/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>> << EVERYONE knows that MY COMMODORE 64 is WAY better than YOUR APPLE! >>
>
>It's hard to have holy wars like the old days when you now own all the
>machines you used to make fun of.
Actually, it's easier! You can argue with yourself! (Hint: don't do this
on the bus; people look at you funny.)
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At 01:31 PM 6/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>This is a reminder for those in the San Francisco Bay area that
>on June 14 in Mountain View, there will be an junk/electronics sale.
Thanks for the reminder! I've missed the last one (or two?) and would have
missed this one otherwise.
>There will likely be a small get together (two people so far). Anyone who
>is interested in the get together let me know. There is a pretty good
As of right now, the only thing on my calendar for Saturday is Flag day (and
I don't own a flag.) If I can keep that open, and convince my girlfriend
and/or my dad they'd enjoy it, I'll be there. (hmmm... Add to Friday's to
do list: Rob Bank) Let me know details... Thanks!
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>Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:47:56 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com>
>Subject: C64 thingy
>I picked up a Commodore 64 a while ago that had this special board
>inside. It was inserted between the keyboard and the motherboard. IE.
>it had a connector that plugged into the keyboard rolex connector on the
>motherboard and then the keyboard ribbon cable plugged into it. Then it
>had a 9-pin male D-type connector than came out the back of the C64. My
>guess is that it was for a numeric keypad or something. I forgot what
>was stamped on the circuit board. Any ideas?
Sounds like a keypad connector to me, I think it may be a Cardco
keypad (there I think was an option to plug it into the joystick port
and interface it via software.
I have some other brand which uses a DIP connector (like old apple
paddle/joysticks), unfortunately I do not have the 64 with the interface
board though.
Larry Anderson
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> The smaller is the TRS80 color computer with real keys on the keyboard.
> I have two of these one the case was wiped out, board is ok.
>
>Lacking docs I presume these have rom Basic. What expansion is possible
>(there is a port) and how hard. Do they run any real OSs or some TRShack?
RS sold OS/9 for the color computer. I don't know what models are required
to run it.
>What's the odds of finding DOCS especially schematics?
RS published a technical manual for the color computer; I have a copy of it
somewhere. HOWEVER I found there's an app note from Motorola with schematics
that almost exactly match those in the RS technical manual. I don't recall
whether it was a 6809 app note or a 6847 app note though. If you can find a
set of old Motorola data books you may be able to find it.
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
Please have a look at my collection at:
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I am looking for a 4004 microprocessor. Also for an 8008. Does anybody
know of one going for sale? I will pay cash or have many British
computers for trade/swap.
Thanks
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HI,
In my non-op list of equipment I have three cocos apparently operational.
They are of two different styles.
The smaller is the TRS80 color computer with real keys on the keyboard.
I have two of these one the case was wiped out, board is ok.
The larger is TDP-100 personal color computer with chiclet keys.
Lacking docs I presume these have rom Basic. What expansion is possible
(there is a port) and how hard. Do they run any real OSs or some TRShack?
What's the odds of finding DOCS especially schematics?
I have a xt class machine with an Intel Inboard386...(works too!) what's the
odds of finding schemtics or expansion ram for it? The 1meg of ram is tight
for somne stuff. Currently I use it as a 10x faster xt.
Allison
>>DigCam: + Easy to use, convenient
>> - Expensive to buy, somewhat limited capacity,
>> no hard copy of images (except printer output)
>
>>Photo/Scanner: + Hard Copy, can be used for other stuff too
>> - Film and Developing can be expensive, takes time
>
>>Camcorder: + Easy to use, Allows for selecting the right image
>> from several views
>> - Video capture hardware/software isn't cheap
>
Well, I guess it's time to put my two cents in. I own a Kodak DC20 digital
camera, and a handheld color scanner.
The digital camera is the basic model, no frills. It holds 8 hi res
pics, and 16 low res pics. As far as quality goes, it really depends on the
lighting conditions and the distance that you are going to be shooting at.
It can get some incredible pictures, but it does have it share of bad ones.
As far as taking pictures of our computers, it is great for taking good
desriptive pictures (here's my pdp 11...) If you wanted to take a picture of
a circuit board and be able to make out the chip numbers and wiring, forget
it. It has decent resolution, but nothing like a scanner and a 35mm photo,
and the light has to be right with this camera, since there is no flash
(yet). I usually save the pictures in jpeg format, and each hi-res picture
is about 25-35k. Not too bad on the storage side.
My handheld color scanner is absolutely great. Unfortunately, I am
always wanting to scan something in 1" wider than the scanner, which makes
it a real pain even with great picture editing software. I would really
recommend a flatbed scanner, but you might as well grab another hard drive
while you are at it. Those color hi-res pictures take up more space than it
took to put a man on the moon. Also, as a side note, it takes about 55
seconds to warm up the bulb on the color scanner. It's not a major gripe,
just an inconvenience.
Bottom line: My suggestion is - If you are looking to take pictures
of your collection (for personal or insurance reasons) and store them in a
safe, and take a buch of cheap pictures of your kids, go with the digital
camera. If you are looking to scan in boards and pieces of equipment, and
are looking for extreme detail, I would go with the scanner. I find that
having both is really convenient, and I can pretty much get the results that
I am looking for and not be dissappointed with either. If I only owned one
of them, I could definitely see times when I would not be happy with the
results. As for the Camcorder products, those are next on my list.
Isaac Davis
idavis(a)comland.com
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> Color Computer 2: White, 4K-64K
One is definatly a coco2 with 64k. no question.
> Color Computer 3: White, 64K-128K
I suspect the board I have is one of these with 128k (four 41464s) and
a lot of the logic is on an ASIC.
> I've never heard of a TDP-100. The Color Computers had ROM BASIC and
TDP is TANDY DATA PRODUCTS when tandy was trying to seperate from the
Radiocrap idea in the early 80s.
TDP-100 It's coco 6809, cart port and configureable for 16 or 64k. This one
has 64k I suspect it's the COCO-1 but case color is white and black and
keyboard is chicklet style. Has all the joystick connectors and the like.
It's design is lots of chips compared to the other two I suspect early
design. Also it's serial number 0000038! It also has lots of mods.
The inboard386/pc and inboard386/at are similar save for one is designed to
replace the 8088 and is 8-bit ISA and the other the 286 with 16bit ISA.
The /PC version has 1mb of ram but with more (4mb) I could use it as a slow
(it's 16mhz) linux box. A schematic of the connector for the ram expansion
would be useful, I can hack my own board. The PC version cannot use the
motherboard ram as far as I can see in the book and even if it could I need
more.
Allison
To clarify some statements that have already been made on the TI-99/4A, I'd
like to comment:
<< True, that's bizarre... they appear to be especially common in the
northwest. But just try to find a PEB! >>
There were approximately 1+ million consoles manufactured by Texas
Instruments from 1981 through early 1984. There were also approximately
250,000 Peripheral Expansion Systems also manufactured. So, while it's true
there were more consoles, PEB's are not hard to find.
<< What I need is the Speech Editor cartridge! >>
To Jeff Hellige - these are little rare to find, but are still available. I
got mine for around $20 from someone in California. But, you can call up any
vendor and get them from around $25-30, due to their rarity.
<< Personally, my opinion of the TI-99/4a varies from stupid piece of shit
to semi-decent machine. Today I feel like stupid piece of shit. It was
almost completely closed, it's BASIC sucked and was slow, it's keyboard
sucked, and if it wasn't for the hordes of TI-99 faithfuls it would've
been just a footnote. I don't understand what the big attraction was,
but then, I came from the world of Apple ][, to which nothing could
compare (uh oh, here come the holy wars). >>
To Sam -- The TI-99/4A, in my opinion, is at the very least a semi-decent
machine. The BASIC interpreter is what slowed things down a bit, but you
have to look at it from a different perspective - no PEEKs or POKEs just to
program graphics and/or sound, like some other machines (no, I'm good enough
not to mention any names). The keyboard did "suck" compared to that of a PC,
but it was very simple - especially suited towards children. From my own
experience, I found the keyboard easy to use compared to a Commodore 64 - the
touch response was better. The big attraction came from the fact that it was
16-bit, had full color, sprites (smoothly-moving objects), excellent speech
synthesis, easy to use cartridges, and expandability. Some of the games were
amazing (like Parsec and Alpiner) - way ahead of its time. And you can do
word processing and spreadsheets with it as well.
<< Even the original PC was really bad, mostly closed design. They
were all noteable as it told marketers what would fly and what had to be
there. Amusingly the ti has what every P5 box has today, graphics, sound,
games so they weren't that far off <in a perverse sort of way>. >>
Allison -- I couldn't agree with you more. The TI-99/4A was an amazing
machine when you look back at all the components and features it had. It's
still easier than my P120 I'm using to type this message - as there's no
icons to click, no finagling around to get where you need to go or to do
this. Just press 2 keys and you're in the program with the TI. Now that I
call ease-of-use!
<< EVERYONE knows that MY COMMODORE 64 is WAY better than YOUR APPLE! >>
To Les -- Yes, the Commodore 64 IS better than the Apple - I must admit!
---------------------
And to Bill and others -- So you can begin to see with all these replies that
people at least knew about the TI-99/4A and its positives/negatives. But
that's to go with any machine. It's about what you learned on, and what you
grew up with. In my case, this is the computer I learned on, and I'll stick
with it forever because once you get used to one thing, it's hard to change
sometimes. Same goes I'm sure for everyone else on this list server.
The TI-99/4A was one of the most popular computers ever made back in the
early 80's. Again, 1 million consoles gives you a hint. And, I'll tell you
why they're like roaches sitting around -- most people bought them for around
$50-100 when TI was going out of business (late 1983 into early 1984), played
a few games on them, and then said, "I'm done!". Instead of throwing them in
the garbage, they thought they were worth something, and now you see them all
around in thrift stores. I even went to a local fair around town last year
and picked one up for $5! But remember, for these people, that's all they
wanted to do with this computer. But for those that were serious, you could
do much, much more with it!
Bryan Nicalek
bnicalek(a)aol.com
jpero(a)mail.cgo.wave.ca writes:
> Hi, The grey/beige HP terminal with heavy keyboard that have
> black and white "squashed" monitor shaped does have this 8008 chip
> in one of its "card". Accessible by tripping two catches between the
> shells to hinge up the monitor to reveal the cards in bottom case
> part.
What you're writing about is the HP 264X line of terminals. They
don't all use 8008 CPUs. The 2640s do, but I'm sure the 2645s use
8080s (and think the 2641, 2644, 2648A do too), and the 2647F uses some
proprietary HP CPU. Not sure about 2642, 2647A, or the 2649s which
are customized for specific applications, e.g. there was a flavor of
2649 used as the system console for HP 3000/33 minis.
Fun terminals. I could go on for a while about them.
The 2640s and 2641/4/5s have a facility allowing the downloading of
code from the host. Somewhere around here I have a Space Invaders
game and a Pac-Man game that run in the 2645s, and have heard of a
driving game. Also have heard that some folks in the Gaithersburg, MD
area turned a 2645 into some sort of BBS some years ago.
The "two catches" are hidden. Look on the case left and right sides,
you will see horizontal slots between the base and the CRT housing.
Inside those horizontal slots, a couple of inches back from the front,
are vertical slots. The object is to stick a "terminal key"
(basically a thin flat piece of metal, but a stiff paperclip can be
made to serve) into those slots to push open the catches that are at
the top of the slots. While pushing, lift the CRT housing. If like
most of us you have no more than two hands (and only one key) you may
find it convenient to do one side at a time, which is OK.
-Frank McConnell
I want your old microcomputers from the 70s and 80s. I do NOT want any
common PC clone. I am looking mainly for stuff that doesn't exist in
any way shape or form today. I am looking for rarer models, as I already
own most of the more common micros of the early micro-revolution.
Please e-mail me at dastar(a)crl.com with what you got and we can work out
a deal. Thanks.
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So this guy, Gary, responds and tells me he has an IMSAI 8080 and a Victor
9000 he wouldn't mind getting rid of. SCORE! So anyway, he used to be an
attendee of the Homebrew Computer Club, which if you don't know was a
bunch of hackers and geeks (including of course Jobs and Wozniak) who got
together every week or month in (I believe) either Mountain View or
Sunnyvale, to show off the computers they were building. Read Steven
Levy's _Hackers_ for the complete (and very entertaining) story. He was
telling me all these cool stories. One was about how a Lawrence Livermore
National Lab employee made a bunch of paper-tape copies of Gates' BASIC
when it first came out and brought them to a meeting of the HCC, claiming
that on his way over, a box of stuff dropped from a bus, and when he went
to go check it out he found all these weird paper tapes in it (40 or so)
and that everyone was welcome to have them, whereby he began tossing them
out into the audience. Gary of course got one of them, and invited me to
look at and touch it under the condition that I didn't drool on it and
muss it up. It was in perfect condition! The neatest thing about it is
that it had "Z80 BASIC COPYRIGHT MICROSOFT" punched into it (that isn't
the actual message, I've forgotten what it said already). He said the
week after, Bill himself showed up and whined to the crowd, asking "How
am I supposed to make any money off this if you guys are pirating my
stuff?" I'm sure, in hindsight, Bill certainly doesn't mind the fact
that the Microsoft BASIC standard created by the piracy of his original
BASIC has made him a $32 billion man today.
He went on to tell me the stories about how he built his IMSAI and applied
fixes and patches for flaws in the design, and showed me the schematics
and took me through some of the documentation. He's a really neat guy.
We're going to be staying in touch. He's moving soon and he says when he
cleans his garage out and figures what else he has he will probably let me
have some of it, including his full run of Byte magazine starting from
issue 4. He also has a CompuPro 8/16 that he wanted to hang onto, as well
as a Heathkit H19 terminal that he built from the kit, but he says he
might not want to take them with him.
So anyway, that's what a day of tooling around the bay area got me. I also
met Paul Coad at a parking lot sale and we ran into Doug Coward (you may
have checked out his Web museum page, I forget the URL).
It was a good day.
Sam
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Another one, hope someone gets lucky.
Sam
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Z100 free
Conditions:
YOU PICK UP.
YOU TAKE ALL SOFTWARE AND MANUALS
I live in Northeastern Maryland. Close to an I95 exit. If interested
email me at ltelets(a)tec1.apg.army.mil
It has two 5 and a quarter floppies amd a detached monochrome monitor.
It runs but could make a fine boat anchor *8^)
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Hope someone can take advantage of this.
Sam
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TeleVideo TS802 computer uupdated with 20 meg hard drive (partitioned
10/10).
Its free.
Machine has several upgrades; CPU speed 5 mhz, faster memory chips,
Zsystem operating system. User friendly ZCPR plus auto loading function
keys and a whole bunch of other upgrades I forget.
Has Wordstar ver. 4.0, dBase ll loaded and configured on the hard drive.
Machine has original manual and shipping carton.
It's located in Edmonton, AB, Canada
you can contact me: peterc(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Peter
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>Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:54:59 -0700
>From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)crl.com>
>Subject: Digital Imaging (was: Re: Chisolm)
>I have been trying to decide the best way to get images into digital form.
>Naturally, a digital camera is one way, but not the only. There's also the
>photo/scanner method, camcorder/video capture, and probably others. As I
>see it, the pros/cons are:
>DigCam: + Easy to use, convenient
> - Expensive to buy, somewhat limited capacity,
> no hard copy of images (except printer output)
>Photo/Scanner: + Hard Copy, can be used for other stuff too
> - Film and Developing can be expensive, takes time
>Camcorder: + Easy to use, Allows for selecting the right image
> from several views
> - Video capture hardware/software isn't cheap
>So, does anyone have thoughts on which is best? I'd like a scanner for
>other things, but they're expensive too. There's also the question of 35mm
>vs. polaroid and type of scanner. (Not to mention where the heck would I
>put it!) I've got a camcorder and my girlfriend's mac supposedly can do
>video capture as is, but I've got to find software and figure it out.
----------->
I myself went with the scanner, mainly because I want to do some OCR
with it as well as scanning, flat bed is better than a ahndheld, and you
would not believe the prices nowadays. You can get a new Microtek E3
for under $200! (for IBM or Mac!) Check your local discount mail-order
firm.
- - - - - - - -
BTW (and to keep on-topic), anyone know of some decent OCR software that
can reliably convert dot-matrix hard copy? The Omnipage LE (shipped
with the scanner) can't make heads or tails out of most of it (and
barely works with the dot-matrix stuff it can. :/ (I have a couple
issues of the Commodore Gazzette (pre-COMPUTE!) and alot of it is dot
matrix.)
Larry Anderson
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At 02:01 PM 6/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>(there is a port) and how hard. Do they run any real OSs or some TRShack?
I am told that OS-9 is a pretty good OS, but I don't have any real
experience with it. I'm sure there are OS-9 resources out on the net
somewhere...
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sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
>
> After the collapse of the market for the TI 99/4a, Radio Shack sold many
> of the parts (including the keyboard, the internal switching power supply
The TI99/4a is not a switcher. I have both the RS powersupply board and
two TI99/4a (a black one and a grey one) and neither use a switcher!
Now the original ti99/4 with the chicklet keyboard (scarce) did use the
switcher.
Allison
> Somewhere in the back of my head I had the idea that a TDP-100
> was a Coco with added serial hardware included so that Radio
> Shack could sell it as a color video terminal. Does anyone
> else remember this, or am I completely out of my mind?
Looking at the board and my moto data book says no serial devices (6850
or the like).
Allison
Im not rich, Don't have one. Do I want one? Help me out here? what is it?
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> From: Kevan Heydon <kevan(a)motiv.co.uk>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Sage IV...
> Date: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 11:08 AM
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have just recieved this email offering me a Sage IV. I am not
> interested as I already have one so the cost of shipping to here in the
> UK isn't worth it. So if someone wants it contact him directly.
>
> Kevan
>
> ------- Forwarded Message
>
> To: collector(a)heydon.org
> Subject: sage IV
>
> Hello, I own a Sage IV computer and have some word processing software
> and spreadsheet software for the computer. I also own two amber
> monitors for the Sage IV. If you are interested in purchasing these, or
> know a source in the United States that is interested in this computer
> equipment, please leave me a note on the web, or at CompuServe 76627,224
> Jim Krasno (my wife is Nancy Nelson)
> Jim
>
> ------- End of Forwarded Message
>
>
>
>
Hi,
I should qualify myself as comming from when personal computer meant you
owned a computer be it a minuteman-1 missle guidence computer(all
transistor), mark-8 or a PDP-8!
The TI99/4a was 81 technology and should be compared to that not a P1000000!
This seems to occur often.
It compared to the PCjr with the chicklet keyboard or COCO1 with same at
a time when the osborne-1 totable was new and neat. Apple/III had bombed on
the market.
It compared to z80 based system at 4mhz and a few emerging at 6mhz or the
other non-IBM-PC 8088/6 based s100 systems. There were even 68000 based
system but 8mhz were fast ones.
It was color! At a time when that capability was uncommon.
It didn't require an engineer to hook it up or make it do
something/anything. At that time S100 systems, apples, and the like were
rarely packaged systems. The trs80 and others started something with ready
to run boxes that were also slow and cranky.
Can I say it better as...back then a lot of things were starting to shake
out, emerge and outright happen. The TI99/4a was one of those and it was
far cheaper than a PC even at it introduction price. 1980 to 1984 was an
interesting time. Who knows, if IBM and intel didn't hook up we could be
running unix on a fifth generation z8000.
Allison
> I have a question for you folks. I have a basic TI 99/4a.... that's it. N
> cables, no peripherals, no nothing with it. I am wanting to get this
Minimally you need the power brick that was 18Vac and 8.5vac, and also the
video cable that took compossite color to channel 3/4 or the other that
allowed direct hookup to the TI color monitor.
FYI sams photofact had a print set for the machine and it was set CC2,
TI99/4a model PHC004a. There was also a 66 page technical manual from TI
on the console and expansion box.
Allison
Actually the Tandy 600 was a 1989 concoction. It looks like an early
Toshiba laptop, with flip-up narrow LCD display. It has Multiplan, a
subset of MS Word, a built-in modem, 360K 3.5" drive, 80x16 display, and
sold for $999. I passed up one of these at a swap meet a few weeks ago.
Kai
> ----------
> From: Marvin[SMTP:marvin@rain.org]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 10:21 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Tandy 600
>
> In checking through the master computer lists, I found a Tandy 600
> computer that is not listed. In checking through the docs, I can't
> find
> any reference to what the CPU is and I would prefer not to take it
> apart
> to find out:). Anyone know what CPU it uses? The manual was
> copyright
> 1985 but I don't know when the machine was actually released although
> I
> would *assume* 1985. It operates with MS-DOS style files and with all
> software residing in ROM. It appears that the basic machine comes
> with
> 32K of RAM expandable to 128K or 224K with special 96K upgrade kits.
> It
> is classified as a "lap-size" or "handheld" computer; this with the
> dimensions being 11 1/2" x 12 1/2" x 2 1/2" and weighing about 9 1/2
> pounds. It comes with a 16 line x 80 character LCD screen, 3 1/2"
> drive
> and a build-in modem. Built in software includes MS Works V1.2 with
> Word, Calendar, File, Telecom, and Multiplan.
>
This is a reminder for those in the San Francisco Bay area that
on June 14 in Mountain View, there will be an junk/electronics sale.
The location will be at Haltek (1062 Linda Vista Ave (Shoreline exit off
101)). I believe that this sale will have stuff from 7 different stores.
The sale should run from 9am to 3pm. The stores participating are:
Alltronics
Campbell Techinical
Excess Solutions
Halted Specialities
Haltek
Test Labs
Weirdstuff
Directions:
Take Highway 101 to Shoreline Blvd. West
Turn Left on Terra Bella
Turn left on Linda vista.
Haltek is at the end of the road on the left.
There will likely be a small get together (two people so far). Anyone who
is interested in the get together let me know. There is a pretty good
(if slightly expensive) Mexican food place nearby. Within a few miles
>from Haltek just about any kind of food can be found.
I'm not associated with any of the participants, I just a customer.
--pec
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> RS published a technical manual for the color computer; I have a copy of i
> somewhere. HOWEVER I found there's an app note from Motorola with schemati
> that almost exactly match those in the RS technical manual. I don't recal
> whether it was a 6809 app note or a 6847 app note though. If you can find
> set of old Motorola data books you may be able to find it.
Since I have three distinctly different generation boards I suspect the moto
prints would hold to the oldest.
Allison
Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Doug Spence said:
>...and a BIZARRE
>piece of IBM equipment: an external 5-1/4" floppy drive, model 4869.
Actually, if one worked in an IBM shop, they were quite commonplace...
especially when the PS/2's came out. The PS/2's had *no* way to hook an
internal 5.25" floppy (due to size of case... and IBM's wanting to create a
new standard...) so you had to go external if you wanted/needed to share
data with other machines with 5.25" drives.
>Now, on the subject of that weirdo IBM 4869 disk drive... what does this
>plug into? The guy I bought it from said it was for an old PC. It has a
>37-pin connector on the end of its cable. It's LARGER in two dimensions
>than even a Commodore 1541 drive. Its power switch is very high quality.
>:) Would this be a 160K drive? I haven't ripped it apart (yet) to see
>how many heads the thing has.
The size of the drive is mainly because of the PS & case (the case is
*very* well RFI shielded)... the drive itself is a standard 1/2 height 360K
40TKDSDD 48TPI drive, with a standard 34-pin edge connector. I have one
sitting on my desk at home, modified to use a standard cable (read: hole
cut with dremel tool in top of case to fit cable) so I can use it with
either my PC or with my Tandy CoCo3. *Very* nice drive. Trying to find a
few more, so I can floppyize my CoCo2 and CoCo1.
If you (or anyone) needs more info on this drive, lemme know. But I can
tell you, that just taking it apart is *fun*, if you have 3-4 hours to get
it apart and back together. I've had mine disassembled 3-4 times now, to
figure where to cut holes & stuff for my cable mods.
Enjoy!
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed,
Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should
zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.
I have one of these and I believe it is based on the Intel 8086.
Bob
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From: Marvin
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 1:21 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Tandy 600
In checking through the master computer lists, I found a Tandy 600
computer that is not listed. In checking through the docs, I can't find
any reference to what the CPU is and I would prefer not to take it apart
to find out:). Anyone know what CPU it uses? The manual was copyright
1985 but I don't know when the machine was actually released although I
would *assume* 1985. It operates with MS-DOS style files and with all
software residing in ROM. It appears that the basic machine comes with
32K of RAM expandable to 128K or 224K with special 96K upgrade kits. It
is classified as a "lap-size" or "handheld" computer; this with the
dimensions being 11 1/2" x 12 1/2" x 2 1/2" and weighing about 9 1/2
pounds. It comes with a 16 line x 80 character LCD screen, 3 1/2" drive
and a build-in modem. Built in software includes MS Works V1.2 with
Word, Calendar, File, Telecom, and Multiplan.
Subject: Re: Seattle Computer CPU Module
> The 8080 is a 40-pin package. The Z-80 is a 48-pin package. If I
> remember correctly (my life in computers started with the Z-80, really,
Whn I got up off the floor laughing... The z80, 8085, 8080 are all 40 pin
packages and the z80 in any varient was never in a 48 pin package. The z180
aka 64180 was a 64 pin package or 68pin plcc.
> since my friend with the Altair when I was in the USAF didn't let me at
> the hardware, he knew my [inclined to injure myself] soldering skills).
> This generally means that an adapter was needed to plug a Z-80 into a
> board designed for a 8080. But I started my real computer career when
Not true. there were z80 based boards to replace the 8080 board. For a
while due to costs there where boards that carried z80s that would plug into
an 8080 socket to upgrade the machine to z80 perfomance...
> computers showed up where you didn't have to count the pins on the CPU,
> specifically the TRS-80 (later renamed the Model One). I remember the
> first time I looked down into a Model 16 and saw the MC68000 and wondered
> why the hell that thing wasn't climbing up the side of the Empire State
> Building.
What you missed was the ti9900 chip that was 3 years older and also 64 pins.
FYI the ti9900 chips was a 16bit cpu!
Allison
--LAA09304.865785477/europe.std.com--
Hi all,
I have just recieved this email offering me a Sage IV. I am not
interested as I already have one so the cost of shipping to here in the
UK isn't worth it. So if someone wants it contact him directly.
Kevan
------- Forwarded Message
To: collector(a)heydon.org
Subject: sage IV
Hello, I own a Sage IV computer and have some word processing software
and spreadsheet software for the computer. I also own two amber
monitors for the Sage IV. If you are interested in purchasing these, or
know a source in the United States that is interested in this computer
equipment, please leave me a note on the web, or at CompuServe 76627,224
Jim Krasno (my wife is Nancy Nelson)
Jim
------- End of Forwarded Message
At 07:23 PM 6/9/97 -0700, Jeff wrote:
>written specifically for the Bit-3 or not? Also, could someone tell me
>the power requirements for an Atari 850 interface, as I also picked up
>one of those but it didn't have the PSU. Thanks.
>
> Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com
>--
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>Collector of Classic Computers: Amiga 1000, Apple II+, Atari 800,
>800XL, MegaST-2, XE System, Coleco Adam, Commodore 128D, 16, Plus/4,
>VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive,
>Radofin Aquarius, TI-99/4A, Sinclair ZX-81, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80
>Color Computer 3, Model 4, and Model 4P. Also Odyssey2, Atari SuperPong
>and Atari 2600VCS game consoles
>
I have been using the same power supply for my 850 as my 800. Come to think
of it, just about everything I have hooked to my atari is using the exact
same power supplies, except for the 1027 printer which has a different sized
connector. I will double check the 850 manual when I get home, but I know I
just grabbed a regular old atari 800 power supply and started using it. If
it turns out to be different, I will post the requirements.
Isaac Davis
idavis(a)comland.com
indavis(a)juno.com
Although I currently have a decent QBUS-to-SCSI adapter (Sigma Information
Systems model RQD11), it does not appear to be capable of handling, or
booting from, a CD-ROM drive with its current revision of firmware.
Despite this, it does appear to work quite well (recognized by the
MicroVAX it's plugged into, sees devices on the SCSI bus). Since I need to
boot from CD, though, the board is of little use to me in its current state.
Anyone on here interested in maybe trading me an Emulex or Dilog SCSI card
for this one? I do have the original manual (and if you think that was easy
to find...) ;-)
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Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272)
(Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net)
http://www.wizards.net/technoid
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
> Personally, my opinion of the TI-99/4a varies from stupid piece of shit
> to semi-decent machine. Today I feel like stupid piece of shit. It was
> almost completely closed, it's BASIC sucked and was slow, it's keyboard
I have two of the beasts and a expansion box with floppy, ram, aftermarket
ram and rs232 and ever the little talker thing and a box of games.
It is slow. The manuals for the cpu and expansion were available, I got
them. It's a compilation of the things you can do to a good cpu to make it
run slow and try to do everything.
> but then, I came from the world of Apple ][, to which nothing could
> compare (uh oh, here come the holy wars).
It's attraction? One it was cheaper than an apple with disks! When TI had
the great sell off the console was $50, expansion $50, and modules $25-100.
That made it appealingly cheap for what it was. I got my during the fire
sale so they have been with me since new and work great. Parsec is still
a favorite game. Since I have the editor, assember and other packages
I also use it for assembly of TI9900 code for the technico board.
An aside: The ti994a was an attempt at the time of emerging PCs to deliver
the home computing applance. Everyone had an idea and generally the all
were poor. Even the original PC was really bad, mostly closed design. They
were all noteable as it told marketers what would fly and what had to be
there. Amusingly the ti has what every P5 box has today, graphics, sound,
games so they weren't that far off <in a perverse sort of way>.
Allison
Greetings!
I will be going to the US next week and would naturally like to take the
chance to find some classic stuff. It presently looks like I will be
moving around the states Minnesota, South Dakota and North Dakota.
Unfortunately, airline baggage regulations will not allow me to purchase
any considerable amounts of hardware, so I will be mostly interested in
software.
Does anyone have any information about shops or other places in those
states where I may purchase classic software (or hardware)? I mostly
collect Commodore, but anything is of potential interest.
/Fredrik
I picked up a Commodore 64 a while ago that had this special board
inside. It was inserted between the keyboard and the motherboard. IE.
it had a connector that plugged into the keyboard rolex connector on the
motherboard and then the keyboard ribbon cable plugged into it. Then it
had a 9-pin male D-type connector than came out the back of the C64. My
guess is that it was for a numeric keypad or something. I forgot what
was stamped on the circuit board. Any ideas?
Sam
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Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
I would really like to get old Windows and Turbo Prolog, but
I can not go there to pick them up. Is it impossible to send them to me?
Of course I will pay for shipping and every thing.
Thank you,
Yujin Nagasawa
Of course, Sam and others have taken to talking about the Mattel Aquarius
lately, but I've never seen a mention of the Radofin version, which other than
the lack of 'Mattel' logos and the change to the model number and label on the
bottom of the machine, is identical. Were many of them sold? Does anyone
else out there have one? About all I've been able to learn is that since
Radofin was the actual manufacturer of both versions, they continued to
produce it for an unknown length of time after Mattel dropped it from their
line. There's not even a mention of it on any of the Aquarius references on
the web.
Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com
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Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind!
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Collector of classic home computers:
Amiga 1000, Apple II+, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System,
Coleco ADAM, Commodore 128D, 16, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155,
Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osborne Executive, Radofin Aquarius,
Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color
Computer-3, Model 4, and Model 4P, plus Odyssey2, Atari Superpong
and 2600VCS game consoles.
> Does anyone know how to read/write TRS-80 Model I format diskettes with
> a PC?
>
> I have a CompatiCard II and a Copy II Option Board. I assume the Option
> Board is able to copy TRS-80 diskettes (I hope, just got it this weekend
> and haven't tried yet) but I need to actually write files. Sydex 22Disk
> appears to support only CP/M formats.
TRS-80 disks are single density, single sided, soft sector non-cpm unless
after market cpm is installed. The original disk controller was wd1771.
There is two form to trs-80 disks those from TRSDOS and those from
DiskBASIC. As far as I remember(18 years!) they were compatble with each
other. Their structure was very unlike CP/M and it used a FAT style of
directory.
Now to add to the pain, there were various mods that allowed for double
density and even two sided disk drives. If so the controller was wd1793
in the form of a piggy back card.
Knowing the controller used is important as some of the system out there
created disk formats that are completely unreadable by anything other than
a system with 1771/1793!
Allison
Howdy folks:
I am writing this to let you know... if you would like to be mailed a very
complete listing of TRS-80 hardware and software, just e-mail me with your
name and mailing address to coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu. This listing costists
of 65 pages and will be sent via 1st Class mail ASAP. If you would like it
even quicker, please send $3 to the address below to cover MOST of the
shipping charges... you would then be 'prioritized'.
I collect all types of TRS-80 hardware and software, and specialize in
games in both original diska nd tape format, as well as converted for use
with modern PC emulators. I have a HUGE collection and would like to share
this with others. I like to think I have 'nearly' every commercially sold
game (and hundreds of others) written for the TRS-80 line of computers. I
also have most applications and DOSs ... all for the Model 1,3,4 as well
as a limited supply of CoCo hardware and software. I also collect for many
other classic systems, including but not limited to: MSX, Colour Genie,
Apple ][, Apple ][e, Apple ][c, Apple ][+, Commodore 64, C-16, Vic 20,
Plus 4, Atari series, Coleco, Sincalire Spectrum, P2000, and Vectrex
systems.
All I ask for most of the software is to be compensated for my expenses
(postage, media, etc.) and have very low prices on most of my hardware as
I have accumulated a large inventory over the years and need to clear my
shelves.
I am also looking for the following items in particular:
1) YOUR classic hardware and/or software. I am always buying and trading
for those item.
2) 80-Micro, TRS-80 Microcomputing News, Computer News 80, and 80-US
Journal magazines, etc.
3) Original manuals, instruction, and game boxes concerning the TRS-80
4) Atari 800 - Atari Artist cartridge. A800LX - RX8053.
Just please remember, I am always buying, selling, and trading for these
hard to find items... even for things not on the above list. If you're
looking for something or have some things to offer... PLEASE let me know.
I simply love the TRS-80 and other classic machines and would appreciate
any help you may be able to provide in expanding my collection. I most
gladly will help you out in adding to your own classic computer or game
machine collection.
Finally, I have ALL my original disk, tape, and cartridge software... for
all systems, converted to run on their respective PC emulators!
Send me your want lists, request for a catalog, or what you have to offer:
via e-mail, United States Postal Service, or give me a call... I look
forward to hearing from you.
Best Wishes,
CORD COSLOR
//*=====================================================================++
|| Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE ||
|| (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 ||
|| Classic computer software and hardware collector ||
|| Autograph collector ||
++=====================================================================*//
At 05:38 09/06/97 -0700, Greg Mast wrote:
>
> I apologize if this is a repeat question but I can't seem to find the
> previous post.
>
> What were the solutions to removing yellowing from the plastic cases? I
> bought a printer that looks terrible. Not sure what caused it so any
> suggestions helpful at this point.
>
> thanks,
>
> Greg
>
Hi Greg,
I don't know if this will help you in solving cleaning problems, but here is
my favourite:
FULCRON from AREXONS.
I do maintenance and cleaning of computer cases since 10 years (for both job
and passion), and i found it to clean jellow stains (caused by nicotine)
EVEN BETTER THAN TRIELINE (honestly I find it better than anything else for
any kind of dirt exept: paint and ink).
It seems to take away the outer layer of jellowing but is not smelling like
any petrol derived-solvent.
I don't know if you will be able to find it there (AREXONS it's a
multinational company, isn't it?), but here in Italy was introduced 3 years
ago and now you can find it in any detergent shop.
For ink and tape adhesive I use a ISOPROPILIC ALCOOL based product called
TERGITUTTO, but this time the company (Sutter) I'm shure it's Italian only,
so try to find a similar remedy in your town.
Bye
Riccardo Romagnoli.
Classic Computer Collector
Forli' - Italy
I recommend "3M General Purpose Adhesive Remover", which is inexpensive
and comes in a red and white quart-size can that will last you until
roughly the year 2020. Some hardware stores carry it, but it's most
reliably found at an auto paint supply store (check your local yellow
pages).
I once used this stuff to remove an entire vinyl top from a '68 Chevy,
so I can tell you it really does work, and does not appear to harm
either your skin or any kind of plastic. Doesn't smell very bad, and
isn't highly flammable.
In response to an earlier question, Cameo copper cleaner can be found in
most any grocery store or general goods store.
Kai
> ----------
> From: Sam Ismail[SMTP:dastar@crl.com]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 1997 10:56 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic
>
> On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Mr. Self Destruct wrote:
>
> > I've always just used those blue brillo pad thingys. They generally
> do
> > well at taking off a bunch of hard to remove stuff (tape spooge,
> stains,
> > etc.) Sometimes when I'm REALLY bored I take the keyboard apart
> (keycaps,
> > etc.) and scrub them up too. Real satisfying to see a 12 year old
> machine
> > look like new...
>
> Regarding "tape spooge" (what a great moniker, if not gross) this is
> the
> bane of my existence. I hate that shit. I went out and got some
> stuff
> called Goof Off from Home Depot which was supposed to do away with
> that
> stuff but it didn't work very well. I didn't try it on anything metal
>
> yet, but most of my problems are with people putting velcro with the
> sticky backs on plastic cases. I tried cleaning some plastic with
> tape
> spooge on it and it just melted the damn thing. Anyone have any
> ideas?
>
> Sam
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete,
> Writer, Jackass
>
Yellowing may be irreversible. I've been thinking of removing all
electronics from a case, and soaking it in dilute bleach solution
overnight.
I did find a great method for removing permanent marker from textured
plastic. Cameo copper cleaner powder works great and doesn't harm the
texture.
For other stains, I use a Scotch Brite pad of the type that says it's
safe on fiberglass.
I'd sure like to find a good method for cleaning keyboards.
Kai
> ----------
> From: Greg Mast[SMTP:gmast@polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 1997 12:10 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Cleaning Plastic
>
> I apologize if this is a repeat question but I can't seem to find the
> previous post.
>
> What were the solutions to removing yellowing from the plastic cases?
> I
> bought a printer that looks terrible. Not sure what caused it so any
> suggestions helpful at this point.
>
> thanks,
>
> Greg
>
Does anyone know how to read/write TRS-80 Model I format diskettes with
a PC?
I have a CompatiCard II and a Copy II Option Board. I assume the Option
Board is able to copy TRS-80 diskettes (I hope, just got it this weekend
and haven't tried yet) but I need to actually write files. Sydex 22Disk
appears to support only CP/M formats.
Any ideas?
thanks
Kai
Hi,
The Apple /// I picked up last weekend has one annoying flaw, and that is
a *very* loud power supply, that seems to get louder the longer the
machine is powered up.
I think this thing becomes even louder than our 1950s-era Westinghouse
refrigerator. (OK, perhaps an exaggeration, but the sound seems to
carry farther.)
There is nothing obviously functionally wrong with the computer - it boots
up fine, there's no wavering or glitching in the display, nothing to say
that something might be wrong.
Except the buzzing.
It makes me nervous.
Is this noise normal, or is it a sign that something is about to go
kablooie? And if something's wrong, is there any way of knowing which
part is about to go?
It looks like the power supply should be easy to repair, but I don't know
what I'm doing with these things. I know it's been stated here that power
supplies should be checked before powering anything up, but I don't really
know how to do that, and sometimes I'm just too impatient to see my new
toys running.
Doug Spence
ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca
At 18:08 09/06/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, George Lin wrote:
>
>> At 11:24 PM 6/1/97 -0700, you wrote:
>> ><...>
>> >> accessories including a CP/M cartridge for C64
>> >
>> >A CP/M _carthridge_? Awesome.
>>
>> I just tried it yesterday. Pretty cool. The Z80 is in the cartridge. The
>> package comes with a CP/M 2.2 diskette for 1541 and a condensed CP/M manual
>> by Commodore (copyright 1983). There is a K-Mart price tag on the original
>> box that reads $54. Not bad.
>
>This reminds me... I also have a Z80 cartridge for the C64. But it's not
>the one from Commodore. It's from a company called DATA 20 Corporation.
>
>I haven't been able to get it to work. It has what looks like a connector
>for a power supply on the back, but I didn't get the PS with it. It also
>came without any disks, though it did have a cassette in the box with it,
>which says "Use side A for Commodore 64/Use side B for VIC 20".
>
>It's a Z-80 Video Pak, that combines the Z80 processor AND an 80-column
>display adapter into one (big fat) cartridge.
>
>To quote from the box:
>
> The Z-80 Video Pak brings the convenience of an 80 column screen and
> the power of a CP/M compatible operating system to the Commodore 64.
>
> Designed to be used with a monitor, the Z-80 Video Pak lets the
> Commodore 64 owner switch to a 40 or 80 column screen in black and
> white, or back to the standard color screen. All switching is done
> through software and no cables need to be moved.
>
> The Z-80 Video Pak has its own Z-80 microprocessor and operating
> system which allows the 64 to run CP/M software formatted for the
> Commodore 1541 disk drive. A Terminal mode which brings communication
> with central data bases is included at no extra cost. The Z-80 Video
> Pak also supports the advanced screen handling features of all Video
> Pak models such as erase to the end of line, erase to end of screen,
> and dump screen to printer.
>
>
>If anyone out there knows this thing's power requirements (AAAGH! Another
>wall-wart!) and where to get CP/M disks in 1541 format, please tell. :)
>
>
>Doug Spence
>ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca
>
>Hi you lot in the USA. I have a Boxed CPM cart and Disk Commodore
Original, Anybody want it??
Emulator BBS
01284 760851
Keeping 8-Bit ALIVE
I responded to a Usenet post regarding some UCSD P-Code stuff. It turned
out the guy had a garage of other stuff that he was trying to get rid of.
Here's what I got in two carloads:
o 1 Kaypro II, 1 Kaypro 2X (dead--for parts), 1 Kaypro 4
o 1 boxed Commodore 64, 1 Commodore 128, plus a bunch of Commodore
accessories including a CP/M cartridge for C64
o 1 Osborne Executive
o 1 Compaq suitcase
o 1 Atari 520ST (dead--for parts), 1 Atari 1040ST, 1 boxed Atari Falcon030,
plus 2 Atari RGB monitors and other Atari accessories
o 1 boxed Timex Sinclair 1000
o 1 TRS-80 Model 1 with expansion interface and disk drive
o 1 Vector 4
o 2 Apple IIc's, one of them is a rare prototype
o 20 Xerox paper cartons full of original software on disks/tapes for the
above systems, manuals, out-of-print computer books, and old computer
magazines
The price? Free.
George
P.S. My back still hurts.
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Apple IIe, IIc, Mac 512K, Atari 800, 800XL, 1040ST, Falcon030, VCS, 5200,
ColecoVision VGS, Commodore 64, 64C, 128, plus/4, Compaq, Eagle II,
KayPro II, 4, Nintendo NES, Osborne Executive, TI 99/4A, Timex Sinclair
1000, 1500, TriGem SLT-100, TRS-80 Model I, III, 100, Color Computer 2,
Vector 4.
>On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Kai Kaltenbach wrote:
>
>> I recommend "3M General Purpose Adhesive Remover", which is inexpensive
>> and comes in a red and white quart-size can that will last you until
>> roughly the year 2020. Some hardware stores carry it, but it's most
>> reliably found at an auto paint supply store (check your local yellow
>> pages).
>>
>> In response to an earlier question, Cameo copper cleaner can be found in
>> most any grocery store or general goods store.
>
>Ok, there have been so many cleansers thrown around in the last 12 hours
>that I think its time to compile a list of these with their respective
>uses and throw it in the FAQ.
>
>Sam
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
Well you can add CRC 226 and 556,
They don't harm platics (actually they give it a nice gloss if you like
that sorta thing)
Works really well on these "permanant" paper labels.
Cheers
+----------- Keith Whitehead -----------+
| Physics and Chemistry Depts |
| Massey University |
| Palmerston North |
| New Zealand |
| |
| Ph +64 6 350-5074 Fax +64 6 354-0207 |
+------------------------------------------+
Wish I had one.
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> From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Radofin Aquarius
> Date: Monday, June 09, 1997 3:41 PM
>
> On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Jeff Hellige wrote:
>
> > Of course, Sam and others have taken to talking about the Mattel
Aquarius
> > lately, but I've never seen a mention of the Radofin version, which
other than
> > the lack of 'Mattel' logos and the change to the model number and label
on the
> > bottom of the machine, is identical. Were many of them sold? Does
anyone
> > else out there have one? About all I've been able to learn is that
since
> > Radofin was the actual manufacturer of both versions, they continued to
> > produce it for an unknown length of time after Mattel dropped it from
their
> > line. There's not even a mention of it on any of the Aquarius
references on
> > the web.
>
> I'd never even heard of it until you mentioned it to me previous. I
> would think that it's kinda rare.
>
> Sam
>
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> Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer,
Jackass
I have a /// for parts!
----------
> From: Doug Spence <ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Buzzing PS?
> Date: Monday, June 09, 1997 4:21 PM
>
>
> On Fri, 30 May 1997, A.R. Duell wrote:
>
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The Apple /// I picked up last weekend has one annoying flaw, and
that is
> ^^^
> > > a *very* loud power supply, that seems to get louder the longer the
> > > machine is powered up.
>
> <snip>
>
> > > Is this noise normal, or is it a sign that something is about to go
> > > kablooie? And if something's wrong, is there any way of knowing
which
> > > part is about to go?
> >
> > No it's not normal. The Apple uses a switching type supply, and there
> > shouldn't be any 60Hz waveforms anywhere after the mains
> > rectifier/smoothing cap. If it's buzzing there is a problem
>
> OK, here's a question from an electronics-know-nothing (which hopefully
> isn't in the FAQ, else I'll look like a complete idiot :) ): How do I
> tell the difference between a switching supply and a linear supply? Just
> from looking at it.
>
> I get the idea that linear supplies have honking big transformers in
them,
> and switching supplies don't.
>
> > It _may_ be nothing more than the mains filter coil (if it has one), or
it
> > may be a dried up smoothing capacitor (the 2 big ones rated at about
300V)
> > that needs replacing. You could try those first.
>
> I don't remember there being any very large capcitors. (Nothing like in
> my PET 2001, anyway... hooo boy! ;) ). I'll take another look inside to
> see if I can spot the ones you're talking about.
>
> <snip>
>
> > Apple PSUs are easy to check. The 6 way cable unplugs from the main
board,
> > and the wiring is given in the Apple ][ reference manual. Just connect
a
> > voltmeter between the +5V output and the ground wire (red and black?)
and
> > power up. I don't think you need a dummy load. If you don't get 5V when
> > you power up, you need to sort out that PSU.
>
> Well, the ][ and /// use different connectors, but I noticed that the
> ///'s supply has info on the PCB.
>
> The supply works, BTW. As I mentioned, the system powers up and runs as
> if nothing were wrong. The noise the power supply makes just makes me
> nervous.
>
> > --
> > -tony
> > ard12(a)eng.cam.ac.uk
> > The gates in my computer are AND,OR and NOT, not Bill
>
> Doug Spence
> ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca
> Bill mentions sticking a keyboard in a dishwasher. Bill, I assume you've
> done this, and it's OK? I would think that with the heat of drying and
> all it would kill the components.
Over the years I've done this to de-crud boards, keyboards and equipment
dropped in salt water.
Water generally will not harm electronics save for stuff made of paper liek
speakers. The real problem is insuring it is completely dry after cleaning.
A warm, under 180F oven works for this. Removing keycaps and the like first
is a good thing. Also some keyboards by their contruction will trap water
if it gets in and baking it out is the only way short of sometimes
destructive disassembly. FYI, water gets coffee out the best if there ie a
small amout of soap to break surface tension. Try to use soaps that are not
chemically active and corrosion forming. Woolite is good in the sink for
this and most dishwasher soaps are ok.
Logic boards like DEC modules, motherboards and the like clean well in the
dishwasher.
I've done boards in the sink with a soft bristle brush and woolite and dried
them by blotting with several paper towels and oven dry. The sometimes look
better than new. Remember (not a joke!) Rinse well when doing this.
FYI: resist the temptation to vacuum as the moving air can cause static
charges that can do subtle and long term damage to ICs, even ttl.
Dishwasing is actually safer.
Allison
> > > DEC KBD01 - a true whatsit - 8085 based, in one of the LSI-11/2 deskto
> > > boxes, RS-232 (maybe) and another D connector on back. Any clues? I
> > > no clue. (I purchased this as well)
> >
> > IF the box is a BDV11VA (or that size 13x12x4.5) it's a remote diagnosti
> > port. Plugs in to the console port and does a modem link for remote use.
>
> For VAXen with that Remote Diagnostic Module?
For late PDP-11s/vax11s and it plugged into the console port and subbed for
same. By doing that all boot console functions were available even if the
system was otherwise down. Not all PDPs supported this. An old item.
Allison
I've found that instead of bug and tar remover, I use charcoal starter.
Originally I used this on my car, at .79cents vs 3.bucks. Works well on
machines too. To remove stenciling on computers I use fingernail polish
remover, BUT DON'T get it on printed LOGOS!
Bill
----------
> From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic
> Date: Monday, June 09, 1997 2:25 PM
>
> > Regarding "tape spooge" (what a great moniker, if not gross) this is
the
> > bane of my existence. I hate that shit. I went out and got some stuff
> > called Goof Off from Home Depot which was supposed to do away with that
> > stuff but it didn't work very well. I didn't try it on anything metal
> > yet, but most of my problems are with people putting velcro with the
> > sticky backs on plastic cases. I tried cleaning some plastic with tape
> > spooge on it and it just melted the damn thing. Anyone have any ideas?
>
> I've got a bottle of stuff labeled "Bug and Tar remover" that seems to
> work just fine for me. I bought it several years ago, and it's
> chock-full of all sorts of hydrocarbons and ketones. If environmental
> regulations haven't completely banned the sale of this stuff, I'd
> expect you can still find it in automotive stores.
>
> Many of the fluorocarbon-based cleaners did a better job on sticker
> residue, but these are all but impossible to get anymore.
>
> Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)
Last fall I was given the remains of something(?) from a local
municipal office. It has been in my garage all winter, and since our
Canadian weather has finally warmed up a bit, I went out to have a look. The
only identification that I can reach is on the two drives which are a few
hundred pounds each and are Century Data Systems Model T80 A's.
Can anyone tell me anything about them?
There is also another rack about the same size, but it is buried in
other junk and is not accessable.
The deal also included a Calcomp 1041 plotter which runs the test
plot, but doesn't want to talk to my Windows 95/486.
Regards
Charlie Fox
At 11:43 PM 6/8/97 +0100, you wrote:
>>This weekend was pretty quiet, though I did pick up a couple
>>ColecoVision cartridges, including 'Turbo' with the 'Expansion Module
I managed to pick up an "HP Touch Accessory" (a touch screen add-on) new in
the box and (though it's not really a computer) an Interactive Network
console also in the box.
I'm happy to find this list too!
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
> I have a bit of DEC stuff including a Minc (I think that is the correct
> spelling) that I have no idea what it was used for, a couple of 11/23s,
Labratory computer designed for easy interface to programable instruments
and other experiments.
Allison
On Fri, 6 Jun 1997 Marvin Johnston wrote :
> Wow, I think I am beginning to like this listserver!
Only just beginning ;-)
> It has an LCD screen with a decent keyboard on it.
So far so good...
> The size is approximately 12" wide x 8"
> deep x 5" high and the LCD screen folds up typical of a portable.
> It has a couple of standard bus size cards (one is missing) but uses
> the header type connector (2 x 50?) instead of the gold fingers to
> plug into the backplane.
Nope, not a Gavilan which was was only a couple of inches tall and had
no internal slots (for cards at least).
> If this is a Gavilan, are docs, schematics, and parts still available?
I doubt it, there used to be quite an active Gavilan group in Silicon
Valley
many years ago and if anyone has need I can try and dredge up some long
forgotten names...
Hans B Pufal
I saw an Olivetti XP 1050/SP that I passed up the other day cuz it looked
like a common PC clone type dealy. Anyone have any information on this?
Sam
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Here's another one. Hope someone finds a use for this...
Sam
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Newgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: (fwd) Take my PET, please!
Ok, forgive the corny subject line...
I have a C=PET 4016 here that is in a serious state of disrepair. When I got
it, it wasn't working and I tried to fix it up to no avail. In it's current
state, it's little more than a big metal & plastic paperweight to me. I'm
GIVING IT AWAY (You pay S&H) to anyone on one condition: That you try to fix
'er up or use the parts to fix another commodore computer. I don't want to
see this go to the dumpster, folks. It deserves better.
I'm even willing to throw in a few C64 disks for taking it away :)
If interested, respond via email - dross4(a)niu.edu
Dave Ross / Doc Watson | "Make me one with everything," said the
dross4(a)niu.edu | Zen Buddist to the hot dog vendor.
- - - - - - - - - - - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Long live the C=64/128!| http://www.cs.niu.edu/~z956832/homepage.htm
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Sam
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>My story mirrors yours. I, too, learned on the Aquarius, and I loved
>it. I then moved on to the Apple ][+. I have few regrets in my life,
>but of the more nerdy ones, I regret ever selling my Aquarius to finance
>the purchase of my Apple ][+. I had all the peripherals for it
>(including the thermal printer and datasette, and of course the expansion
>module with controllers and a 4K RAM carthridge).
I didn't have quite as much for it, probably. I had the mini-expander
with controls, and four cassettes, which I think were D&D Treasures of
Tarmin, Utopia, Night Stalker, and Biorhythms. I got Chess later as a
gift. I didn't have the "official" data recorder, but I got a regular
tape recorder to work once in a while for storage. I remember writing
programs for it. I remember also typing in that what-seemed-so-long
"Digital Clock" program from the manual. I left out all the REM
statements because they were "optional," I thought from my programming
experience and what the manual said. I didn't realize that all the
branching statements went to those REM's. Eventually, I got it to
work, and I thought it was really neat. I was easily entertained at
age seven. When my parents' friends came over, their two kids and I
had Utopia tournaments. Often, they got very mean, and we'd end up
fighting because "you broke the agreement about not sinking my fishing
boat," and one of us would retaliate by putting rebels on the other's
island with all our money until the game got pointless because no one
had anything left.
I may still have the price list around somewhere - I know I had it a
long time after buying anything would have been an option, but I don't
know if it got thrown out or not. I bugged my parents about getting me
a printer for it, but they never did, and I didn't have any money of
my own (I was only between about six and eight).
In my original list of computers, I forgot my Atari 2600, possibly
because I didn't consider it a computer, but rather a video game
machine. (Wasn't there a keyboard setup of some sort that you could
get for it? I could be wrong about that.) I still have that at home,
too. I don't remember all the games I had for it. I remember being
really mad that the "Indy 500" "driving controls" wouldn't work as
paddles with Warlords, and I never got the real paddle controls. I
think we took Warlords back to the store. (I could, again, be mistaken
about all these titles...)
>Ahhhh, I miss those days.
I hear ya!
--
Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu
http://www.wartburg.edu/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html
My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College
as a whole.
I'f I remember correctly there was a "Keypad" that allowed you to enter
BASIC code and a BASIC language cartridge. Seems I found the cartridge at
a garage sale and used to have one, but could never find a working keypad.
I have now abandoned the 2600 years ago in an attempt to get rid of some
the toys I never "play" with anymore. I find myself re-buying many of the
things i've sold. So my new rule is , unless I have two, I sell nothing.
Bill
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> From: Andy Brobston <BROBSTONA(a)wartburg.edu>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Introduction
> Date: Sunday, June 08, 1997 9:03 PM
>
> >My story mirrors yours. I, too, learned on the Aquarius, and I loved
> >it. I then moved on to the Apple ][+. I have few regrets in my life,
> >but of the more nerdy ones, I regret ever selling my Aquarius to finance
> >the purchase of my Apple ][+. I had all the peripherals for it
> >(including the thermal printer and datasette, and of course the
expansion
> >module with controllers and a 4K RAM carthridge).
>
> I didn't have quite as much for it, probably. I had the mini-expander
> with controls, and four cassettes, which I think were D&D Treasures of
> Tarmin, Utopia, Night Stalker, and Biorhythms. I got Chess later as a
> gift. I didn't have the "official" data recorder, but I got a regular
> tape recorder to work once in a while for storage. I remember writing
> programs for it. I remember also typing in that what-seemed-so-long
> "Digital Clock" program from the manual. I left out all the REM
> statements because they were "optional," I thought from my programming
> experience and what the manual said. I didn't realize that all the
> branching statements went to those REM's. Eventually, I got it to
> work, and I thought it was really neat. I was easily entertained at
> age seven. When my parents' friends came over, their two kids and I
> had Utopia tournaments. Often, they got very mean, and we'd end up
> fighting because "you broke the agreement about not sinking my fishing
> boat," and one of us would retaliate by putting rebels on the other's
> island with all our money until the game got pointless because no one
> had anything left.
>
> I may still have the price list around somewhere - I know I had it a
> long time after buying anything would have been an option, but I don't
> know if it got thrown out or not. I bugged my parents about getting me
> a printer for it, but they never did, and I didn't have any money of
> my own (I was only between about six and eight).
>
> In my original list of computers, I forgot my Atari 2600, possibly
> because I didn't consider it a computer, but rather a video game
> machine. (Wasn't there a keyboard setup of some sort that you could
> get for it? I could be wrong about that.) I still have that at home,
> too. I don't remember all the games I had for it. I remember being
> really mad that the "Indy 500" "driving controls" wouldn't work as
> paddles with Warlords, and I never got the real paddle controls. I
> think we took Warlords back to the store. (I could, again, be mistaken
> about all these titles...)
>
> >Ahhhh, I miss those days.
>
> I hear ya!
> --
> Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu
> http://www.wartburg.edu/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html
> My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College
> as a whole.
> Yes, I've since seen the guts of a TI-99/4A. I ignored it for many years
> since the time I first played with a TI-99/4 at the computer store in Las
> Vegas, wrote a BASIC loop to count to a hundred and got there first
> counting out loud. I've been shown since that the machine was reasonably
> fast, as long as you avoided BASIC, but that was the only tool at the
Basic was slow. But since I'd had the technico board for a few years before
the TI99 I'd been into assembler. The TI9900 cpu is a bit slow as it was
very memory intensive (registers AKA workspace was an allocated block of
ram). IT was a real computer archetecture compared to the 8080. When
compared to z80 at 2.5mhz or faster it was slower. But that was the spped
they could get out of silicon and the ti99 tried to cost reduce it by
narrowing the bus slowing it further. Still in many other ways it was a
more sophisticated cpu with memory banking when that was rarely heard of.
Allison
I was watching this program on cable called the Computer Bowl or
something hosted by Ziff-Davis publishing where they had two teams of
nerds answering computer and computer industry related questions. One of
the questions was:
What was the serial number on the first Apple ][ computer?
Answer tomorrow.
Sam
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I'm fairly new to the list, so I'd like to introduce myself (and my
computers).
I am typing this message right now on an Apple IIGS. I've worked
with most of the older Apple II series computers also. I still
actively use my Apple IIGS for nearly every task that most people
think requires a "new" computer.
My first computer, on which I learned a *lot* about programming, was
the Mattel Aquarius, which I still own. I've been looking off and on
for information about it. The FAQ is nice, but I know of at least one
possible inaccuracy: the "Chess" game was released, I'm reasonably
sure, because I have it. The computer's not too bad of a player,
either, if I remember (it's been *years* since I've used the machine -
I'm living at college right now, and the Aquarius is at home).
I know now that a lot of people didn't like the Aquarius. I thought it
was a really neat machine. I probably learned more from it that from
any other single learning tool I've ever had, with the *possible*
exception of my IIGS.
I'm looking forward to hearing about anyone else's experiences with
the Aquarius (or even the IIGS, though info about that is still
plentiful on comp.sys.apple2).
--
Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu
http://www.wartburg.edu/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html
My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College
as a whole.
At 08:53 AM 6/6/97 -0700, you wrote:
>One of the things on my wish list is a digital camera so I can easily
>digitize photos of stuff like this.
I have been trying to decide the best way to get images into digital form.
Naturally, a digital camera is one way, but not the only. There's also the
photo/scanner method, camcorder/video capture, and probably others. As I
see it, the pros/cons are:
DigCam: + Easy to use, convenient
- Expensive to buy, somewhat limited capacity,
no hard copy of images (except printer output)
Photo/Scanner: + Hard Copy, can be used for other stuff too
- Film and Developing can be expensive, takes time
Camcorder: + Easy to use, Allows for selecting the right image
from several views
- Video capture hardware/software isn't cheap
So, does anyone have thoughts on which is best? I'd like a scanner for
other things, but they're expensive too. There's also the question of 35mm
vs. polaroid and type of scanner. (Not to mention where the heck would I
put it!) I've got a camcorder and my girlfriend's mac supposedly can do
video capture as is, but I've got to find software and figure it out.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
> There are also 'classic' CCD cameras. There was a thing made by
> 'Datacopy' that had a linear CCD that was mechanically scanned
> across the frame (motor + leadscrew). There was certainly a PERQ
> interface for this (made by GHS/Audre' in Canada), and I guess
> others as well.
>
> These solutions sound a lot more fun than a modern PC-based system.
Yes :-)
I remember the PCWs we used to have at school. They had small scanning
devices that replaced the print head on the printer. The computer
would make the printer scan the entire sheet of paper, line by line,
and in this way it built up the image...
Not the fastest of scanners, but fun to watch it go!
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_| (_)(\)(-) | (-)(-)(\)
Hello,
I'm Allison and I've been invloved with microcomputer since the introduction
of the MCS8 (8008) and computers in general since the PDP-8.
On site I have... they are all operational:
DEC made:
VT180 (cpm/zcpr)
PDP-11/23 (RT-11 os)
PDP-11/23+ (RT-11 os)
PDP11/73 (RSTS or RT-11 os)
PDT-11/130 (RT-11)
MicroVAX2000 (Currently VMS5.4 later netbsd)
MicrovaxII/gps (Currently VMS5.4 later netbsd)
CPM and S100 systems:
Northstar* s100 z80 (CP/M/zcpr, 40 meg hard disk)
S100 (vector chasis) computime z80 and misc s100 cards (cpm/zcpr)
SB180 (CPM2.2/zcpr 3.5" floppies and 20meg hard disk)
Ampro Little board (CP/m/ZCPR 3.5" floppies and 42meg hard disk)
Explorer85 8085 (NS*dos cpm1.4)
Epson PX8 geneva with 120k ramdisk and 64k ramdisk/300baud modem wedges
(runs cpm from rom)
Kaypro 4/84 (turborom and CPM)
MITS Altair 8800 (I built this one in late 74, one of the early units)
Misc Single board computers (demo boards)
Intersil 6960 mdemo board, 6100 chip 12bit PDP-8 on a chip
National Semi ISP8a500 low cost 8 bit cpu.
Technico Inc board using texas instruments TI9900 chip 16 bit
(also have a TI99/4A with w/expansion box and software)
Motorola 6800D2 board
National Semi Nibblebasic chip (CPU with rom basic on a chip)
Original cosmac elf. RCA1802
IMSI IMP48 8035 cpu
NEC TK80 8080 demo board.
PCs
Leading edge model D 8088 (dos)
(several other PCs far too new (less than 10 years).
Plus parts (8080s, 8085, 8088, peripheral chips, rams...)
CPU chips 8080, 8085, 8086, 8088, 80188, 80186, 808286, z80s,
6800s, 6502, 1802, 6100, 6120(pdp8), 8748, 8035,
8749, 8039, 8751, 8031, T11chip (pdp11 on a chip),
NECd78pg11, NEC d7800
Allison
In the interests of getting an old DEC PDP-11 running, I've got an STC
9-track tape drive here, a model 2921. This is, apparently, one of the rare
few that StorageTek (aka, STC/Telex) manufactured with a Pertec interface
vs. their own.
Based on conversations with a company that still maintains these old
beasts, it appears that the CPU card has gone bad. I'd like to at least try
and confirm this by swapping said card with a known-good one.
So... anyone own a 2921 that they don't mind it being used as a guinea
pig? ;-)
Thanks in advance.
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human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
At 08:47 PM 5/21/97 -0400, William Donzelli wrote:
>And of course, grab hold of every spare chip available off of donor machines.
>
>William Donzelli
>william(a)ans.net
>
I have found what seems to be a decent supply of eproms. I was looking at
an old 2400 baud fax modem for my pc, and noticed that it had what looked
like an eprom on it. I pulled the chip and peeled off the label, and it was
a 27256 eprom. I also bought a 2400 baud modem at a thrift store for $2.00
and it had a 27128 eprom in it. This was cheaper than buying the eprom by
itself. I paid $3.00 for a 2764, and didn't even price a 27128. I am going
to start picking up all of the old cheap, almost worthless modems and
grabbing the eproms out of them. You can probably pick up the modem for
less than the price of the eprom that it holds. If anyone else knows of a
cheap source of eproms or other chips, share it with us.
Isaac Davis
idavis(a)comland.com
indavis(a)juno.com
> > The module was a "upgrade product for those wating a 8088 and having onl
> > z80 cpu. By unplugging the z80 and putting in the card you could run 16
>
> Does this mean it would work in place of any 8080 CPU? Any idea what
> the 8 pin header on the component side of the board was used for? This
> is interesting since these past comments are the first I have heard
> about the module!
No. first it was not an 8080 replacement. Though it may have subbed for
8085 as they were very similar. Two the system had to be configured to run
8088 code(wich is not 8080 or z80 compatable.
I had done this to an 8085 system as the signals from the 8088 are the 8085
are very close.
The extra plug was likely the remaining 4 address lines (16 bit vs 20 bit
addressing).
If I had one I could trace it out and regenerate the schematic.
Allison
In a message dated 97-06-08 03:18:29 EDT, you write:
<< The 8080 is a 40-pin package. The Z-80 is a 48-pin package. If I
remember correctly (my life in computers started with the Z-80, really, >>
no. the z-80 is a 40-pin package. i got bunches.
Kelly
> > This info was obtained second hand from a guy I bought a bunch of
> > SCP stuff from. Apparently a one-time friend of his work for them.
> > Thus - this could be wrong. SCP made at least six models of computer
> > the first being Z80 machines which ran CP/M, the next few being 8086
> > based which ran CPM-86 or SCP-DOS (which I'm pretty sure is MS-DOS
> > 1.0 or the immediate prdecessor purchased by MS). The last were 8088
>
> I never knew they called it SCP-DOS. All I ever heard it called was
> "QDOS" -- Quick & Dirty Operating System, basically a crude CP/M clone.
> --
> Ward Griffiths
> "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within
> the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." --Claire Wolfe
>
Hi,
New here but here goes...
The module was a "upgrade product for those wating a 8088 and having only
z80 cpu. By unplugging the z80 and putting in the card you could run 16bit
apps.
qdos was not a clone it was and outright disassembly of CP/M80 v1.4 and
reassembly to 8086/8.
Allison
I have available several PC100B Memory Extension cards for the Rainbow
for giveaway, or for trade if you have something that interests me.
At the moment, the cards are unpopulated, but you can generally find
256Kbit chips to fill the board for about a $1 junk PC card. (A fully
populated board has at most 3 banks of 9 256Kbit chips for a total of
768K and a system total of 896K.) I can provide a copy of the memory
configuration pamphlet.
I will give preference to anyone who has something to trade, but feel
free to ask even if you don't. If you have something to trade I will
even go out and find the $1 junk board and populate the card!
Here's what I am looking for:
1) BCC17 cable for use with a VT241 color monitor
2) Documentation for Rainbow Concurrent CP/M-86, especially programming
references.
3) Venix/Rainbow software and documentation.
Dave Jenner
djenner(a)halcyon.com
I was checking the Polymorphic Systems computers I have against
the "The Big List" and found an 8824. It is a partial chassis but
looks similar to the others except it is designed for 8" drives.
Since it is not complete, I'll have to check in the Engineering
stuff to see if there is a description of it. I also found a
chassis model 88DS. It doesn't match with the number in "The Big
List" so I'll check further into that.
Regarding the others, from the "System 88 User's Manual",
copyright 1979.
1.1 SYSTEM 88 MODELS
The System 88 product line consists of the System 8813,
available with up to 3 mini-floppy drives; the System 8810
with one mini-floppy drive, and the 88/MS add-on with 2 large
floppy drives.
The 8813 and 8810 models are available with optional
double-sided, double density, mini-floppy disk drives. The
88/MS, an add-on storage for the 8813, is available with either
double or single-sided, double density large floppy disk
drives.
Hello,
I have been doing some image transfer in the last few months. I bought a Color
QuickCam for about $150. The resolution isn't that great but it is easy to use. I
also bought a scanner last month through Onsale for $139 + $20 shipping. It came
with Photoshop LE which I could sell (I already have Photoshop) for $30. Anyway
that brings the cost for a color flatbed (300 x 600) scanner down to $129. It
will scan photos with incredible resolution. Photo developing is $6-$10 per roll
though.
I've never used the camcorder method but I can't imagine it'll be any better than
the QuickCam. I did buy a TV card for the PC (I'm still putting together) for $65
a while back. I think it has screen/image capture software and video inputs. If
you already have a videocamera that would be your cheapest alternative. Besides,
then you can watch Gilligans Island on your computer!
> I have been trying to decide the best way to get images into digital form.
> Naturally, a digital camera is one way, but not the only. There's also the
> photo/scanner method, camcorder/video capture, and probably others. As I
> see it, the pros/cons are:
>
> DigCam: + Easy to use, convenient
> - Expensive to buy, somewhat limited capacity,
> no hard copy of images (except printer output)
>
> Photo/Scanner: + Hard Copy, can be used for other stuff too
> - Film and Developing can be expensive, takes time
>
> Camcorder: + Easy to use, Allows for selecting the right image
> from several views
> - Video capture hardware/software isn't cheap
>
> So, does anyone have thoughts on which is best? I'd like a scanner for
> other things, but they're expensive too. There's also the question of 35mm
> vs. polaroid and type of scanner. (Not to mention where the heck would I
> put it!) I've got a camcorder and my girlfriend's mac supposedly can do
> video capture as is, but I've got to find software and figure it out.
On 6 Jun 97 at 22:26, Marvin wrote:
> Ah so, that one went right over my head, sorry about that one :). As
> far as systems I don't have, there are a LOT I am still looking for. To
> name just a few, the Aim 64, Kim, SWTP 6800 computer, Acorns (I am not
> familar with them,) and quite a few others with the main interest in the
> 70's computers. I am really impressed with "The Big List of Classic
> Computers" and it has made me much more aware of how small the
> collection really is compared to what was produced.
I have an Acorn Electron going spare, if anybody wants it. It's a
"Plus 3", I've been told - it's the standard Electron, but with an
extra expansion module added on, containing a 3.5" floppy disk drive,
some ports, and who knows what else...!
It's in Manchester, UK.
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Hi there,
Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> wrote :
> Another is a a neat portable (probably
> non-working) with nothing but the word "Chisholm" on it. It looks like
> a prototype judging by the number of mods to the circuit board. Any
> info would be much appreciated.
You are right in thinking it's a protoype.
I used to work for Gavilan Computers back in the '80s and recall us
using Chisholm as our design house. If you can describe the unit, or
better yet post a picture, I can perhaps identify it as a Gavilan.
Regards,
Hans B Pufal
I have an extra Trs-80 model 4 (64k) with 2 -floppies, Works FIne, make me
a trade offer!
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> From: Cord Coslor <coslor(a)pscosf.peru.edu>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: TRS-80 - buy,sell, and trade
> Date: Friday, June 06, 1997 12:02 PM
>
> Howdy folks:
>
> I am wondering if anyone out there on this listserve has any Radio Shack
> TRS-80 they'd like to give up... either for sale or trade. I collect a
lot
> of different things and have Apple, Commodore, Texas Instruments, Colour
> Genie, MSX, Vectrex, etc., etc... but, my true life-long love has been
the
> TRS-80 Model 1,3,4 line... and now the CoCo line of computers.
>
> I am especially looking for any old TRS-80 related magazines: especially
> 80-Micro, 80-US Journal, and TRS-80 Microcomputer News.
>
> I have been archiving software for all these machines, and especially the
> TRS-80s for about 10 years now. I do have a huge 65 page catalog of
> everything in my collection. If you'd like to see it just let me know and
> I'll ship it out. I do not have it in electronic form... only available
> through USPS.
>
> It contains all my classic computer hardware, as well as all my software
> in original disk, tape, cartridge, etc., forat, as well as already
> converted to run on modern PC emulators.
>
> If you would like to get the catalog even quicker, send me $3 to the
> address below. It actually costs me $3.24 to mail, and more to publish,
> but it sure would help me out.
>
> As far as the software that I have, I like to believe that I have
> virtually most things ever written for the TRS-80s, but I know there is a
> lot more out there. If you have some software of old disk, cassettes,
etc.
> please let me know. As always, I am enternaining expanding my hardware
> collection as well at all times. I currently have 7 TRS-80 Model 3, 2
> Model 1, 4 Model 4s, 3 Model 4ps, and several Commodore 64s, Texas
> Instruments, 1 Coco 1, 4 CoCo 2, and 1 CoCo 3.
>
> I just love collecting these things and would love to hear from others as
> to what you might have available to expand my collection... or just to
> hear what interesting things you have.
>
> Thanks a lot, and hope to hear from you soon!
>
> CORD COSLOR
>
>
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> || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308
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> || Classic computer software and hardware collector
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> || Autograph collector
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Help! My neighbor got a free computer, the Prolite from TI. Appears to be an early portable/luggable because it has a huge (at least 16" x 7" and 10lbs) battery pack, a 3.5 inch drive, a LCD display. What the heck is it? Does it run DOS and/or is it from the 80xx family?
Thanks in advance
Hello everyone, Glad to be here.
Im in Lawrence KS, an NT administrator for the Dept of Labor and have the
following machines.
Timex/Sinclair1500
"" 2050 Modem
Tandy Color/2
Trs80 Model 4, 128k
Trs80 Model 4, 64K
Apple ///
Profile HD
Apple //gs
100meg scsi drive
Apple//e
Apple//c
Apple][+
Apple Macintosh SE
Apple Macintosh Se/30
Atari 400
Atari 800XL
1050 FDD
Atari 1200Xl
1050 FDD
Commodore 64
1541 FDD (2)
IBM PC, [dual floppy}
Anything I can help with please let me know and visit my web page on my
home server. http:\\24.124.36.31
Bill G. Aka. TheDM
I've had a storage unit for years now (PETs take up wayyy too much
room in an apartment, not to mention YEARS of COMPUTE!, Commodore, Ahoy,
RUN, Etc.) The big pain about the storage unit is having to dig through
the layers of goodies to find what you are getting at. Or even worse
knowing you have a tidbit on some subject in you think one of X
magazines, and you would have to dig through issues and issues (not at
home) to find it.
I specialize in my collecting, Commodore 8-bits and just recently
Atari 8-Bits. I would have to move to even think of another brand. :/
Larry Anderson
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I have been shipping computers for a while now with no problem
whatsoever. I follow the guidelines already mentioned with a couple
twists:
Wrap the items in bubble wrap (best) or a plastic bag, anti-static is
best. This protects the surfaces and stops the styrofoam from being in
direct contact with the plastic on the machine. Keeps foam from getting
into the slots, etc. I also notice that the plastic in the cords
especially tend to bond with the foam after a while.
Popcorn in the bottom. Put the system in. Popcorn on sides and on top.
Allow for settling, compress it until it's firm. Seal it up.
If putting items on top of each other I'd put a piece of cardboard in
between along with a few inches of popcorn just in case things move.
This is for shipping. I've shipped lots of stuff packed in a single box
without a single casualty. Moving a short distance shouldn't be as much
of a big deal but if someone drops a box, you'll be glad you did it. I
didn't have any casualties when I moved last year either.
I get packing material from a couple sources. A camera shop here gets
about 5 big bags a month since all their stuff is fragile. A
manufacturer has a big cardboard recycling area where they dump boxes
and bubblewrap. If someone is near Mountain View, CA (near where I used
to live), I have a great source for tons of this stuff. Email me.
Greg
PS: I have an Apple IIc & IIe on Auctionweb that are going cheap so far.
The IIc is only at $3.25! Even cheap compared to you guy's standards.
Shipping is extra though (UPS). Auction ends tomorrow.
Apple IIC Computer (photo)
Current bid: $3.25
Auction ends on: 06/04/97, 22:48:02 PDT
http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=znb774144
Apple IIe Computer, Duo Drive, 64K (photo)
Current bid: $20.50
Auction ends on: 06/04/97, 22:54:32 PDT
http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=cjt6509
