On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Kai Kaltenbach wrote: Hmmm, sounds good. Where can we find this? I usually just scrub it off with a Scotch abrasive wash sponge, but of course this mars the surface, although not horribly. I'm experimenting with a cleaner right now based on orange citrus juices called Amazing Orange or something silly. It lifts grease off like THAT! And I mean like THAT! The most common application for me is some thrift stores mark the prices on units with grease pens. This takes it right off, in a FLASH! And I mean in a FLASH! I bought this stuff from a home&garden show. I'll get the real name and an ordering address if anyone wants to try it. Its sorta expensive though. Aha! I just came up with a great method. Go out and get yourself a medium-stiff bristled plastic brush, with at least 1 inch bristles. Then apply your favorite cleaning agent, such as Formula 409 or what have you (I use an Amway product called L.O.C. which works great) and scrub in a circular motion. The keys shouldn't be harmed physically as long as you don't jam the brush into them and after a short while all the dirt on top as well as around the keys will be lifted. Of course, you still have to deal with all the crap tucked away under the keys, and there's no way around this other than to lift all the keys out and then clean the under-surface. I did this with a grungy-assed Apple //e keyboard the other day and it came out looking fresh. Bill mentions sticking a keyboard in a dishwasher. Bill, I assume you've done this, and it's OK? I would think that with the heat of drying and all it would kill the components. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass