- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> Well, finding a composite video point is trivial, therefore. Inside the modulator can, I fear. I had another look inside last night. The two metal cans appear to be video circuitry (on motherboard) and modulator (separate). They are linked by a 4-way ribbon cable of which one conductor is ground. I suspect the remaining three of being video, line sync and frame sync. (They could, I suppose, be composite mono, U and V but I doubt it) > >Someday I must get a decent TV standard monitor - probably the Barco I > >sold to my brother for use as a telly - but I ought to have a composite > > Err... You do not use a Barco monitor as a TV. It's far too nice for that. I > happen to have one, you see. Au contraire, the Barco is one of the few pieces of kit I _would_ consider using as a telly (the other being my Bush TV24 of course). > Not of course. There were Barco's with built-in PAL, SECAM or NTSC decoders OK, you win. > >> What chips _other than the 8048_ are in this device? Is the video side > >> custom or does it use one of the many Philips video chipsets? (Philips > >> Prestel terminals tend to be stuffed with their Teletext IC's, for > >> example...) Pretty boring, I'm afraid - 8245 and 6110 plus about 20 TTL chips. I can't read the numbers of the chips inside the video can unless I desolder said can from PCB. Philip.

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Olivetti M20

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> I met someone who had worked on the Olivetti M20 many years ago and > could possibly still get a hold of some of these. > > The M20 is a Z8001 based machine with bitmapped graphics and can run > PCOS (its own OS) or CP/M 8000 > > Is anyone else interested? Which side of the Atlantic is it on? Philip.

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Could I build a PDP-8

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

bluesky6(a)ix.netcom.com (Benedict Chong) wrote : > There is or was a prentice hall book on logic design that described > the design of a PDP-8 workalike. I bought the book and told myself > that one day, I'll build a PDP-8 with EPLDs. Like Allison, I ended up > with 16 bits and then other things got in the way... > The book is called top-down logic design or something like that. The Art of Digital Design, an introduction to top-down design by Franklin P. Prosser and David E. Winkel Prentice-Hall 1987 ISBN 0-13-046673-5 025 I have a copy and can highly recommend it. It has a two complete design descriptions of a PDP-8 CPU, one a state machine implementation the other a microprogrammed one. Talking of 16 bit extensions to the PDP-8, that is what the HP-2116A appears to be, anyone konw that processor? Regards, Hans B Pufal

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Could I build a PDP-8?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<From: Phil Sutherland <philsuth(a)mycroft.DIALix.oz.au> <I recently tracked down the articles on the EDUC-8 as the first step <towards building one. My plan to put it in the corner of my office as an <"executive toy". However, by the time I get round to it I suspect I'll <be using it as an educational toy for my (currently 1 year old) son! On the build it yourself tack I've considered building my own TTL pdp-8 but every time I put the paper down I end up with 16 bits. The basic 16bit design was PDP-8 with four more address bits. Allison

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Just a reminder (Auto)

by danjo＠xnet.com

Just a test of the *Broadcast* facility. Trying to put up a Calendar and Scheduling program on the web site 8-) -------------------------------------------------- Performed by Auto-Remind : another fine product of The Software Forge and danjo(a)xnet.com --------------------------------------------------

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Philips G7000

by ard＠siva.bris.ac.uk

>> Presumably if it has a UHF output it also has an internal modulator. Can't you >> just tap off composite video from the input to that? > >It does indeed, and on a separate board, too! Well, finding a composite video point is trivial, therefore. > >Someday I must get a decent TV standard monitor - probably the Barco I >sold to my brother for use as a telly - but I ought to have a composite Err... You do not use a Barco monitor as a TV. It's far too nice for that. I happen to have one, you see. >one as well (Barco is RGB, of course). At present the monitor I have Not of course. There were Barco's with built-in PAL, SECAM or NTSC decoders acording to the user manual for mine. (Barco User manual = 1/2 page explaining the controls and about 40 pages telling you how to set it up, schematics, waveforms, test points, etc). >requires Video + Composite Sync - or it can free-run and generate sync >for a TV camera. > >> What chips _other than the 8048_ are in this device? Is the video side >> custom or does it use one of the many Philips video chipsets? (Philips Prestel >> terminals tend to be stuffed with their Teletext IC's, for example...) > >I can't remember offhand, except that there are quite a lot of them. >I'll have another look tonight. Please e-mail me a list when you get a chance and I'll see what I can find out about them. > >There seem to be two large rectangular metal cans - one with its own PCB >(probably the UHF modulator) and one on the motherbaord (VHF for US?) Possible VHF for europe. There are 625 line transmissions on Bands 1 and 3 according to some info I have. > >Philip. -tony

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IBM 5100

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

They're extremely rare. Rarer than almost anything except an Apple I. Just before I was lucky enough to be gifted mine from a saintly old-timer, I saw one sell for $650. That's the only one I've ever seen for sale, and the seller said he'd received over 60 inquiries. He also said he could have gotten more if he wanted to drag the bidding on for another couple of weeks. I am aware of a gentleman who may be willing to part with a 5110 + dual 8" external drives + printer, but he wants a "very generous offer" for it and the shipping alone would be a killer since the total weight is about 200 lbs (he's in PA). BTW, do you have a web page for your collection? Kai > ---------- > From: Anthony Eros > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 1997 7:32 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: IBM 5100 > > High up on the list of wants for my collection is an IBM 5100. I > passed on > one several years ago at a Goodwill (arrrgh!), but I'd sure like to > track one > down now. > > Any ideas? > > -- Tony Eros > proprietor -- FooBear's Cluttered Cellar Classic Computer > Collection >

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Atari 850 Interface

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Anything that will do downloads with Zmodem, Ymodem or Xmodem I just need a start. I think the most popular is called BOBTERM ---------- > From: Faiaz, Michael C. HSD <FAIAZMC(a)hsd.utc.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: RE: Atari 850 Interface > Date: Wednesday, August 13, 1997 3:27 PM > > I may have one. Can you be more specific, as to which term program you > need? > Mike > > ---------- > From: Bill Girnius > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Atari 850 Interface > Date: Wednesday, August 13, 1997 12:16PM > > > Welp! I finally got one. Case got a little damaged in shipping,but it > looks > like it will still work. Is there anyone out there that still uses the > 8bit Atari's that can send me a copy of a Term program on an Atari 8bit > format disk so I can start downloading stuff to my 8bit atari's?

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Atari 850 Interface

by FAIAZMC＠hsd.utc.com

I may have one. Can you be more specific, as to which term program you need? Mike ---------- From: Bill Girnius To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Atari 850 Interface Date: Wednesday, August 13, 1997 12:16PM Welp! I finally got one. Case got a little damaged in shipping,but it looks like it will still work. Is there anyone out there that still uses the 8bit Atari's that can send me a copy of a Term program on an Atari 8bit format disk so I can start downloading stuff to my 8bit atari's?

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Philips G7000

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> Presumably if it has a UHF output it also has an internal modulator. Can't you > just tap off composite video from the input to that? It does indeed, and on a separate board, too! Someday I must get a decent TV standard monitor - probably the Barco I sold to my brother for use as a telly - but I ought to have a composite one as well (Barco is RGB, of course). At present the monitor I have requires Video + Composite Sync - or it can free-run and generate sync for a TV camera. > What chips _other than the 8048_ are in this device? Is the video side > custom or does it use one of the many Philips video chipsets? (Philips Prestel > terminals tend to be stuffed with their Teletext IC's, for example...) I can't remember offhand, except that there are quite a lot of them. I'll have another look tonight. There seem to be two large rectangular metal cans - one with its own PCB (probably the UHF modulator) and one on the motherbaord (VHF for US?) Philip.

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by ard＠siva.bris.ac.uk

[G7000] > >Yes thanks, I have four or five. I don't expect to use the thing until >I can find out how to get composite video or RGB out, since I don't >possess a television. Presumably if it has a UHF output it also has an internal modulator. Can't you just tap off composite video from the input to that? What chips _other than the 8048_ are in this device? Is the video side custom or does it use one of the many Philips video chipsets? (Philips Prestel terminals tend to be stuffed with their Teletext IC's, for example...) > >Philip. -tony

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Olivetti M20

by bluesky6＠ix.netcom.com

I met someone who had worked on the Olivetti M20 many years ago and could possibly still get a hold of some of these. The M20 is a Z8001 based machine with bitmapped graphics and can run PCOS (its own OS) or CP/M 8000 Is anyone else interested? Ben

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Prices/speculation (RE: A moment of silence, please)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 10:17 AM 8/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >buy a ton of Apple IIe/IIc's and Commodore 64's - like a warehouse full. [...] >hit age 50 (in approximately 2015) they're going to have to buy one, and At which point you would be deeper in debt than the US Gov. from all the storage costs... 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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A moment of silence, please

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 09:14 AM 8/12/97 -0800, you wrote: >Unfortunately, the high demand for common "trendy" machines (i.e. IMSAI's, >Altairs, whatever) often displaces the preservation of machines which >are much rarer, which are far more important historically, and which >present far greater difficulties to preserve, maintain, and use. Keep in mind that Value <> importance/significance/etc. Value represents a combination of many variables, including visibility, size, trendiness, etc. There are plenty of relatively valueless items running around the world that are incredibly significant, while a whole lot of insignificant things command high prices on the open market. If I wanted to invest in classic computers, it would be IMSAI's, Osbornes, and Apple I's. But I want to collect them, so I've got an Epson, an NEC, a m100, etc. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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PDP-9 and 7 (DEC 18 bit machines....)

by carl.friend＠stoneweb.com

On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 12:27:11 -0400, allisonp(a)world.std.com mentioned: > Despite have seen a few and being even an EX-digit I've never played > with the PDP-9. Is any there that can describe the archecture and > instruction set? Mostly curiosity here. I think I've got a processor handbook for the -9 at home; it's either that or the -15 (which was an up-rated successor to the -9). I'll dig it out and post a few bits when I get home. (If I'm sober enough. <insert grin as appropriate>) I seem to remember my first impression was "bizarre machine"... ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum/ | ICBM: N42:21 W71:46 | |________________________________________________|_____________________|

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PDP-9 and 7 (DEC 18 bit machines....)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Despite have seen a few and being even an EX-digit I've never played with the PDP-9. Is any there that can describe the archecture and instruction set? Mostly curiosity here. Allison

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Philips G7000

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> > collectible. (What is the G7000 anyway? Yes, I did buy it! It has an > > 8048 as the CPU, of all things!) > > It is a video game system that is compatible with the Magnavox Odessey^2 > > Do you have any cartridges for it. If not then I have a few duplicates. Yes thanks, I have four or five. I don't expect to use the thing until I can find out how to get composite video or RGB out, since I don't possess a television. [For those of you not in the UK, here one requires a licence to operate "Television Receiving Apparatus", which I think includes any TV with a UHF tuner, but not a monitor. The licence fee is (without looking up either the current fee or the exchange rate) about $120 a year, and I am not prepared to pay this. So I don't have a TV - and seldom miss it.] Philip.

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Atari 850 Interface

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Welp! I finally got one. Case got a little damaged in shipping,but it looks like it will still work. Is there anyone out there that still uses the 8bit Atari's that can send me a copy of a Term program on an Atari 8bit format disk so I can start downloading stuff to my 8bit atari's?

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A moment of silence, please

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> > The 'speculators' who are out to try to make a quick buck on these > > machines while having no regard for their preservation or history will > > only make life much more difficult (and expensive) for those who would > > preserve both the machine and its history. > > I think that there will always be people around who don't have the "purest" > motives for doing anything, and collecting computers is no exception. > Antique dealers could be considered collectors only in it for the money, BUT > without that force being present, a lot more collectibles would be in that > great landfill in the sky. Dig the mixed metaphor! Seriously though, there are two processes at work here. One is that those who grew up with such machines have got the nostalgia bug. This starts prices rising, which in turn attracts speculators. The latter fuel the second process - articles get published about how fast the market is growing, etc. One hopes that in a few years time, they will become unfashionable once again, and we will see a return to the situation when these machines first became unfashionable - they crop up at car boot sales, etc., for not much money. > Another thing to think about is the opportunity that the speculators > provide. I don't recall the number of museums spread around the world, but > it is at least a dozen or two :). Right now, I am in the learning stages of > finding out what it takes to run a museum and donations seem to be a > biggie. If a non-profit status museum is available, I can't imagine any > speculator trashing something instead of taking a tax rightoff. Do keep us posted! There are plenty of us on this list who dream of converting our private collections into musea when we retire - or before! - who would welcome any info on the subject. > And yes, this type of stuff WILL make it harder for people to collect > computers. HOWEVER, we are still at the stage where the perceived value of > most older computers is not very high thus making it relatively easy for > anyone who has the desire to get a fairly complete selection of computers > relatively inexpensively. And since we seem to be some of the few concerned > with the preservation of old computers and their history, that leaves us in > a rather responsible position and I think the future will look back kindly > at our efforts! And however much we dislike the price spirals that occur, we must remember that unless people know that collectors want these machines, they'll put them in the dustbin. That is one reason why, unlike Sam, I do not often haggle. If people know that the Philips G7000 videopac computer that they priced at four pounds at the car boot sale will get snapped up for that amount of money, and tell people at work etc., others will think twice about throwing out the PDP8 or whatever. If, however, they price it at L4 and can't even get that for it, they will think that computers are not collectible. (What is the G7000 anyway? Yes, I did buy it! It has an 8048 as the CPU, of all things!) > > Are *you* prepared to pay $500US for an Osborne or a TI99-4a ??? No, but I'd rather pay $500 for an Osborne than see the last remaining one disinegrate between the teeth of a rubbish crusher like that PDP9.

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A moment of silence, please

by carl.friend＠stoneweb.com

On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 07:33:33 -0700 (PDT), Mr. Willing graced us with these words: > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, William Donzelli wrote: > > > I also talked to a guy that deals with old computers. Two weeks > > ago, he _finally_ scrapped out a bunch of old machines - really > > old. Amongst the deaths were various PDP-8s, two PDP-9s, a > > Burroughs mainframe, and an IBM 7090 of some sort. > > I think; I may scream! I had the same sort of reaction when I heard the news through different channels. Needless to say I was less than pleased. However, Mr. Donzelli believes there to be hope in this; he states that the guy in question was willing to let him know about future systems like that. > *How* do we reach these people *before* things like this happen?!? That's the proverbial $64,000 (65,536?) dollar question. I guess we'll have to get to know the various scrap dealers (and especially "recyclers") in our areas. > (preferably without starting a mad rush from yuppie collector > wannabes!) This is another hot-button issue with me, having seen what the price of Altairs and the like is now. (No, the price is not justifiable - other than the machines are very "trendy" right now and speculators think they can make a killing on them.) However, given the size of things like PDP-9s and mainframes, I doubt that systems in that class are likely to fall victim to "speculative collection". Some of the smaller machines in the PDP-8 class might, but the PDP-8/I I just acquired filled half of the rear of my minivan (the other half had an Interdata Model 4 in it) - a bit too large for the average yuppie. You've got to be pretty sick to collect things the size of refrigerators (yes, I know, I fit the bill). Cheers. -- ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum/ | ICBM: N42:21 W71:46 | |________________________________________________|_____________________|

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IBM 5100

by Eros＠mail.dec.com

High up on the list of wants for my collection is an IBM 5100. I passed on one several years ago at a Goodwill (arrrgh!), but I'd sure like to track one down now. Any ideas? -- Tony Eros proprietor -- FooBear's Cluttered Cellar Classic Computer Collection

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Unix on PDP-11

by wkt＠henry.cs.adfa.oz.au

I seem to have received an email which has bounced thru a few people. I'll try to give attributions where possible. Dave Jenner: > Is this the same SCO that is receiving the PDP-11 Unix petition? > Heaven help us! Unknown: > I saw a thing on SCO's webpage about submitting a success story to win a > prize. I decided it was time for some shameless plugging! > Look what I got in return... He almost gets the point... Daniel Seagraves: > > > >I have a PDP-11. I bet it would make for some > >pretty decent advertising if you'd give me the > >source to compile Unix on it... :) Jim Sullivan: > Well, since much of the early UNIX development was done on PDP11s, a version > of UNIX could possilbe be found for it, but it's probably very old and > out of date. Of note, my first job in the industry was with a company > called Human Computing Resources (later HCR, later merged with SCO). > HCR was one of the pioneers in the UNIX industry and was the provider of > UNIX ports and layered implementations of UNIX across many platforms, > including PDP11s. PDP11/Unity was one of our products. Of course, we > don't sell it anymore and haven't sold it for over a decade. The Answer ---------- The answer for Daniel Seagraves is to fill in the petition asking SCO to sell the source code for these old UNIXes. SCO does hold the legal rights to these old systems. We're hoping that they will be encouraged by the petition, and help people like Daniel out. The petition is at: http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/ and choose the top hyperlink. The petition has been formally presented to SCO, and we're waiting on an answer back from them. The signs seem good, though! Cheers, Warren

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Unix on PDP-11

by jim＠sco.COM

Well, this just gets weirder and weirder.

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Yeek! I 'Bruced' him!!

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 06:53 AM 8/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Bruce, and everyone else. I just heard from Bill. He got in a car wreck >>going over to Bruce's place to pick some stuff up. Not knocking ya Bruce >>but from now on we can call a wreck - getting Bruced 8-) He is OK but in Or perhaps being "Whit"led (it was Bill Whitson?) could mean willing to go to any length (including getting your car hit and breaking bones) in order to rescue classic computer stuff? 8^) Hope he gets well soon! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Superbrain

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> I have some. I also live in the UK (Cambridge) so shipping won't be > much. I actually have a Superbrain Jr. I can't remember what density > disks it has but I will check tonight. What model is yours. Excellent. Thank you very much. I too shall check such things tonight - if I can (I have no documentation at all) > Did the company Intertec make any other machines? According to Kai Kaltenbach's recent post, it seems they made something called a Compustar. The name doesn't ring any bells for me, however. If you're in Cambridge, you ought to belong to the Cambridge University Computer Preservation Society. I think Richard Davies (rjd27(a)cam.ac.uk) will be able to tell you more. I shall be at CUCPS next term, on 4th November, hopefully demonstrating the Tektronix 4052, if you're interested. Philip.

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Update on Altair scans

by rcini＠msn.com

Hello, all: I got a message from my friend with the Altair scans (list previously posted here). On Monday, he mailed me a Zip disk filled with scans. It really makes me wonder if this guy has a job! Actually, he must work for a publishing house or something, somewhere where he has access to high-volume scanners. Anyway, when I get this, I'll put together a disk/tape and Fedex it to Bill Whitson {Bill: I need your physical address and telephone#} and have him post it to the ftp site. More to come... ------------------------ Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin Charter Member (6) - MCPS Windows 95/Networking

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(Fwd) HELP

by dlw＠neosoft.com

I received this today, can anyone here help him out? If so, send him an email. Thanks. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: "Bill Creager" <creagerb(a)ix.netcom.com> To: <dlw(a)neosoft.com> Subject: HELP Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:44:50 -0400 Found your wanted ad for Cromemco's. I have a need for a programmer with a Crememco and the know how to program a EPROM chip for a Hand Held data terminal (MSI 85)..... any help or leads would be greatly appreciated. Bill Creager CREAGERB(a)ix.netcom.com ---------------------------------------------------- ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)neosoft.com http://www.neosoft.com/~dlw

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Prices/speculation (RE: A moment of silence, please)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

> The problem I see with this view, is that it does not fully take into > consideration the class/capabilities/intent of "people" who are > throwing > these outlandish amounts of money around! > Do we have any evidence of outlandish prices actually being paid? There are lots of newspaper articles referencing ridiculous amounts for an Apple I like $10-$15K, but no facts to back them up. The only documented sale in existence is the one at the 1996 Computer Bowl charity auction for $22K, but that hardly counts. Does anyone have any facts about Altairs or IMSAIs going for thousands? > The 'speculators' who are out to try to make a quick buck on these > machines while having no regard for their preservation or history will > only make life much more difficult (and expensive) for those who would > preserve both the machine and its history. > While there seem to be quite a lot of "Altair / IMSAI Wanted" ads on USENET, I've never actually communicated with anyone who was in this for the speculation. Does anyone know someone who is? My advice to anyone who actually wanted to speculate in old computers would be to buy a ton of Apple IIe/IIc's and Commodore 64's - like a warehouse full. They're common as dirt right now and go for garage sale prices. When all of those people whose first computer was one of those hit age 50 (in approximately 2015) they're going to have to buy one, and you'd be in fat city :) > Once the percieved value of a given item is (publically) driven up, > either > by speculators with too much money to spend or too many badly out of > touch > New York/L.A. Times articles, it can take a very long time for the > prices > to return to reality (if they ever do). > That's the truth brother. > And once an item is in the hands of one of these money oriented types, > it > may well languish in a vault(sic) until someone will pay the 'proper' > prices, or when the novelty has worn off the item may still end up in > the > trash rather than being released for a more reasonable price. (don't > laugh, I regularly deal with a *lot* of these types!) > Really?!? Egads. > There has got to be a balance somewhere, I'm just not sure how to get > there. > > Are *you* prepared to pay $500US for an Osborne or a TI99-4a ??? > Geez, I found homes for a couple of nice Osbornes at your Tigard swap meet for $15-$20 apiece. What was I thinking! :) Kai

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Prices/speculation (RE: A moment of silence, please)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

> From: Kevin McQuiggin > Most of the hype and hoarding has been with bakelite radios from the > late > 40s and 50s > Occam's Razor says it's more likely that the baby boomers who owned or wanted to own such radios in the 40s and 50s are now of the age where they have a lot of nostalgia and a good deal of money to spend. That doesn't mean that speculators are driving up prices. Kai

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Superbrain

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

One machine I hear very little about nowadays - the Superbrain. It was one of the CPM machines that competed with the later PETs and things, and there used to be one that sat in the librarian's office where I work. One day I saw it being trundled towards the stores, and sure enough it appeared in the skip soon afterward. A little discussion with our procurement (= disposals) people, and the machine went home with me. It now sits on my shelves, waiting for someone to give it a boot disk. Anyone know where to get system disks for this machine? I have one friend who keeps promising to ask his neighbour (etc....) to get me one, but said neighbour never seems to be available. Can anyone else get me a disk? - I will pay all reasonable costs involved, of course. Philip. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Philip Belben <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Bloedem Volke unverstaendlich treiben wir des Lebens Spiel. Grade das, was unabwendlich fruchtet unserm Spott als Ziel. Magst es Kinder-Rache nennen an des Daseins tiefem Ernst; Wirst das Leben besser kennen, wenn du uns verstehen lernst. Poem by Christian Morgenstern - Message by Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk

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Superbrain

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Hi Philip, Don Maslin has the list of Intertec stuff below in his collection of CP/M boot disks. He is kind enough to distribute these in the U.S. for his cost of $3/first disk and $1/each additional. Contact him at donm(a)cts.com and see what it would run for international shipping. Kai INTERTEC SUPERBRAIN & COMPUSTAR Name Format Description QD-BIOS4 DSDD System disk w/ experimental BIOS QD-UTILS DSDD System-specific utilities QD-ZCPR3 DSDD ZCPR BIOS and source QDHDBIOS DSDD Hard disk BIOSes SBRAIN32 SSDD SUPERBRAIN v 3.2 system disk VPU-COMM SSDD COMPUSTAR communications files VPU30ENH SSDD COMPUSTAR enhanced system disk VPU30NON SSDD COMPUSTAR non-enhanced system disk VPU30NRM SSDD COMPUSTAR non-enhanced system disk WATSTAR DSDD COMPUSTAR(?) network BIOS & files COMPUSTR TXT System description SBRNINFO TXT Boot-up information CMPSTR30 ZIP COMPUSTAR system files CSR-COMM SSDD Backup to VPU-COMM CSR30ENH SSDD Backup to VPU30ENH CSR30NON SSDD Backup to VPU30NON CSR30NRM SSDD Backup to VPU30NRM NEW.COM Short program to allow 'smarter' C'Star to run non enhanced operating system NORMAL.COM Restores screen to normal video > ---------- > From: Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 1997 9:20 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Superbrain > > One machine I hear very little about nowadays - the Superbrain. > > It was one of the CPM machines that competed with the later PETs and > things, and there used to be one that sat in the librarian's office > where I work. One day I saw it being trundled towards the stores, and > > sure enough it appeared in the skip soon afterward. > > A little discussion with our procurement (= disposals) people, and the > > machine went home with me. It now sits on my shelves, waiting for > someone to give it a boot disk. > > Anyone know where to get system disks for this machine? I have one > friend who keeps promising to ask his neighbour (etc....) to get me > one, > but said neighbour never seems to be available. Can anyone else get > me > a disk? - I will pay all reasonable costs involved, of course. > > Philip. > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Philip Belben > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > Bloedem Volke unverstaendlich treiben wir des Lebens Spiel. > Grade das, was unabwendlich fruchtet unserm Spott als Ziel. > Magst es Kinder-Rache nennen an des Daseins tiefem Ernst; > Wirst das Leben besser kennen, wenn du uns verstehen lernst. > > Poem by Christian Morgenstern - Message by > Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk > >

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V7 Unix. WAS: Re: Success Story (fwd)

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I saw a thing on SCO's webpage about submitting a success story to win a prize. I decided it was time for some shameless plugging! Look what I got in return... He almost gets the point... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:23:52 -0400 From: Jim Sullivan <jim(a)sco.COM> To: dseagrav(a)tek-star.net Subject: Re: Success Story Well this came in through a strange interface.... At 05:20 PM 8/11/97 MDT, you wrote: >Name: Daniel Seagraves >Telephone: 692-5893 > >Customer's Environment: I have a PDP-11. I bet it would make for some >pretty decent advertising if you'd give me the >source to compile Unix on it... :) Well, since much of the early UNIX development was done on PDP11s, a version of UNIX could possilbe be found for it, but it's probably very old and out of date. Of note, my first job in the industry was with a company called Human Computing Resources (later HCR, later merged with SCO). HCR was one of the pioneers in the UNIX industry and was the provider of UNIX ports and layered implementations of UNIX across many platforms, including PDP11s. PDP11/Unity was one of our products. Of course, we don't sell it anymore and haven't sold it for over a decade. I seriously doubt that the current UNIX source code could easily port to the PDP11 environment. >The Economics: To be determined. Probably not worth it... >System Configuration: 2 systems: >PDP-11/44 Unknown RAM, RA81 475MB 12" harddisk > 32 terminal ports, FPP, misc. goodies. >PDP-11/23+ 1 meg RAM, KDF11-B CPU, No harddisk, 2 > RX02 8" Floppy drives. Well, loading UNIX, as it exists today, into 1M, may be impossible. Good Luck, but I don't think I can help you. ---- Jim Sullivan "Don't plant your bad days. They grow into bad SMB Segment Marketing weeks and then bad months and before you know it SCO - jim(a)sco.com you've got a bad year" - Tom Waits 416 216 4611

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VersaWriter

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> writes: > No, it was not like a Koala pad or touch pad but more like a digitizing > pad. The end of the arm looks like it has a magnifying lens on it. The arm > assembly looks a lot like a miniature version of a drafting machine. The arm has joints at its base and middle, right? And the base of the arm is at the top center of the pad? I'd expect this thing to look like two game paddles to an Apple ][, where the obligatory 150K linear pots are mounted at the joints so to report their angles. That and software could get you a tolerable digitizing tablet depending on how tolerant you are and the quality of the pots. My vague recollection is one of seeing it advertised in Creative Computing in the early 1980s, maybe by one of CC's related companies, but I may very well have my wires crossed. -Frank McConnell

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Yeek! I 'Bruced' him!!

by kyrrin＠wizards.net

At 00:02 12-08-97 PDT, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:38:05 -0500 (CDT) >From: Brett <danjo(a)xnet.com> >To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu >Subject: Hey Bruce - don't get rid of it yet! >Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970811203257.24325F-100000@typhoon> >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > >Bruce, and everyone else. I just heard from Bill. He got in a car wreck >going over to Bruce's place to pick some stuff up. Not knocking ya Bruce >but from now on we can call a wreck - getting Bruced 8-) He is OK but in >a cast and car-less (for a while) and can't get to read the list. Maybe >we should have a little *Net Get Well* party for him? Yikes! No offense taken, but I'd prefer to have something a little more pleasant associated with the term -- perhaps being loaded down with hardware? ;-) Anyway.... thanks, Brett! I'm sorry to hear about the wreck, and I will hold the stuff for him until I know one way or the other. Glad to hear it wasn't more serious than a cast. Any details on where or who hit him? There are a couple of hotspots on the route to my place that are unavoidable unless you really know the area well and, for the sake of my own hide, I'm curious as to where he got nailed. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Morrow MD1

by dgc＠pa.dec.com

does anyone have technical documentation (prints would be nice, but just a high quality description of what's where in the address space of the z80 would make following out things easier) for a Morrow micro-decision md-1.

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Corvus Concept

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com> writes: > Does anyone know what a Corvus Concept is? A little. I have one, haven't actually fired it up as yet but have looked through the manuals a bit. It's a 68000-based system, integrated monochrome graphics, can deal with the monitor in either portrait or landscape rotation. (I'm not sure how it knows which way you've positioned the monitor, I think you have to tell it.) Has built-in Corvus Omninet, which means it can hook up to an Omninet network with other stuff and I believe can be a file server or a diskless system or a diskful stand-alone system. I think Corvus had word processing and spreadsheet software for it, as well as a Pascal compiler. The innards of the operating system (what I saw in the programming manuals) reminded me a lot of UCSD Pascal/p-System, but it didn't seem to have a p-machine in there anywhere, it just ran 68000 code and I guess that is what the Pascal compiler produces. I gathered it would be pretty easy to port stuff developed for UCSD Pascal, and I guess that's not too surprising as there was a bit of that deployed with Corvus networking on Apple ][s. There was a review in Byte sometime in 1984 or maybe 1983. I don't remember and all my Bytes are in storage, with the Concept and the manuals and other documentation I have for it. The monitor is the monitor. The base is where the CPU lives. If it has disks they are in separate boxes; I think I have one that is a hard disk and another that is an 8" floppy drive. There's an external keyboard too. If you have other questions, holler and I'll go find the manuals, I really ought to inventory them anyway. -Frank McConnell

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apple gs rgb monitor help needed.

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i came across some good luck today and bought an applecolor rgb monitor; looks like it belongs with the gs model. however, when i connect it to a rgb source, all i manage to get is a wavy blue bar and no text. i fiddled with all controls and could stop the rapid scrolling, but that's about it. i still get a diagonal blue bar that moves. does anyone know of an internal control or setting i can check out? i'd hate to think i have TWO apple rgb monitors that are bad! david

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Hey Bruce - don't get rid of it yet!

by danjo＠xnet.com

Bruce, and everyone else. I just heard from Bill. He got in a car wreck going over to Bruce's place to pick some stuff up. Not knocking ya Bruce but from now on we can call a wreck - getting Bruced 8-) He is OK but in a cast and car-less (for a while) and can't get to read the list. Maybe we should have a little *Net Get Well* party for him? If you need to talk to him - he is at the Other Address. Let's not flood him under but I think short Get Well's will be appreciated. BC

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Accidental Empires

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Marvin wrote: > I just read the book "Accidental Empires" by Robert X. Cringely that was the > basis for the PBS movie, "Triumph of the Nerds." Sam Ismail wrote: > I'll add that I thought the book to be extremely entertaining and a great > read. I'll comment on the fact that not much mention was made of CP/M in > that history seldom celebrates the losers. I just recently saw "Triumph of the Nerds" (playing a lot lately on a PBS station near you, no doubt) and was fascinated by the view of history presented in it. Basically, if it did not involve Apple, Microsoft, or IBM, it wasn't history; they only started talking about CP/M when it got to the "and IBM needed an operating system" part of the story. One curious bit. The statement that Apple had 50% of the PC market share when IBM came out with its PC stuck in my mind. Going through my pile of old BYTE magazines, I found a BYTE from that era (well, 1984 actually; which is actually a match for era because they were building up the Macintosh story) which gives 50% of the market share to Tandy... Roger "cut my teeth on a TRS-80 Model I" Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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Latest trade list

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

OK, it's been a month or two since my last trade list post, so here goes: Computers For Trade: - Apple II+ - Apple IIgs (cpu only, appears to have 192K) - Apple IIgs (cpu only, appears to have 320K) - Apple Macintosh 128 w/correct keyboard & mouse, boot disk - Atari 800, fully populated 48K - Atari 520STfm - Atari 1040STf - Atari 1040STf (missing some keys) - Commodore 64 in original box - Commodore 128D (rare 128 with built-in 1571 drive & PS, separate kbd) - North Star Horizon, wood case model - Radio Shack TRS-80 Model I CPU & monitor (supply your own PS) - Timex-Sinclair ZX1000 with 16K RAM Expansion Peripherals For Trade: - Bell & Howell "Black Apple" Disk II drive (labeled drive 1) - Commodore Amiga 5 1/4" drive (Rare!) - ICL Multi I/O SCSI HD interface for Atari 8-bit with 130XE connector - SoftStrip Reader (extremely rare) - Supra SCSI HD interface for Atari ST Game Systems/Games For Trade: - GCE/Milton Bradley Vectrex - Magnavox Odyssey2 in original box - Tengen Tetris cart for NES WANTED: - Anything MITS, IMSAI, etc. and various other S-100 and/or 8080/Z-80 stuff; drive systems, cards... - Battery for Apple Macintosh Portable - Battery for IBM PC Convertible - Apple Lisa Mouse - Apple-II-On-A-Card for PC (Quadram, Trackstar) - Exidy Sorcerer - 1975 BYTEs, Popular Electronics, 1974-75 Radio Electronics - Brochures, ads, Micro Shopper/Byte Shopper, etc. - Posters - Robert Tinney prints - Microsoft Adventure

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Need: RX50 Utility

by kyrrin＠wizards.net

Hi, folks, I have need of a utility that will allow me to read/write RX50 diskettes, initialized with MicroVMS 4.6, on a PC. Formatting ability is not necessary, as I can initialize with the VAXStation. So far, I've tried both PUTR and RX50.EXE (the archive). Neither has worked. Thanks in advance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Corvus Concept

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Does anyone know what a Corvus Concept is? thanks Kai

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Altair prices!

by roblwill＠usaor.net

> From: Bob Wood <altair8800(a)hotmail.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Altair prices! > Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 8:19 AM > > No, I'm not talking about Ebay prices. > > Instead I thought you might be interested > in seeing an original Altair Price list > from July,1976. Here's the link to a jpeg of it... > http://home.att.net/~rwood54741/25.jpg > > We have heard that the 680 was a failure > because the 16k memory card for it cost more than > the computer. Take a look at this list and you > will see it in black and white. The 680 computer kit > cost $466 ($625 assembled). The 16K memory card cost > a staggering $685 as a kit and $865 assembled. That > is a whopping $43 per 1k of memory. > Yipes! And I thought paying $43 for a 4 meg SIMM a few years ago was expensive! > Bob Wood > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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XT COMPUTERS

by marcw＠lightside.com

> I had a Phillips XT that had 760k RAM. No idea how they did it but > it reported the memory available at start-up and definitely didn't > use Quarterdeck. > > ciao larry > My Tandy 1000 HX has a memory board giving me 736K RAM (and EMS). I don't know how they do it but it's pretty neat. That added new life to this old machine though. Marc -- >> ANIME SENSHI << Marc D. Williams marcw(a)lightside.com Lightside, Inc. marc.williams(a)mb.fidonet.org The MailBox BBS marc.williams(a)652.sasbbs.com Paradigm Shift BBS IRC Nick: Senshi Channel: #dos #IrcHelp http://www.agate.net/~tvdog/internet.html -- DOS Internet Tools

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applecolor rgb monitor info needed

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i have this big apple monitor that i need some help with. it's big, beige, and heavy with a motorized tilt screen and a db15 connector. i'm having a video problem with the monitor. i don't get any kind of raster screen and i do not have the special card to run it on my //e. i've tried it on the video port of my laser 128 and on my dodgy apple ///, all to no avail. can anyone figure out a possible solution? if i cannot get it to work, i'd like to get rid of it, but it's so heavy it wouldnt be worth shipping unless you live in north carolina. david

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Lisa battery leakage??

by roblwill＠usaor.net

Don't quote me on this - I'm not a Lisa expert. I've heard the internal HD's on Lisa's referred to as a Widget drive, so I believe you're correct on that one. It's sort of like the internal HD on the WANG WLTC was referred to (at least in the manual) as a Winchester Disk. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Lisa battery leakage?? > Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 8:33 PM > > >On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > > >> Lisa -- 2 5.25" flippy drives > >[...] > >> NOTE: not too sure flippy and widget are the correct terms. > > > >Don't know about widget, but shouldn't flippy be twiggy? > > Um, yeah, that's it :^) > > Zane > > > >-- Doug > > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | > | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | > | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > | and Zane's Computer Museum. | > | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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old laptop

by roblwill＠usaor.net

What auction? -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Joshu2415(a)aol.com > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: old laptop > Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 9:00 PM > > The auction is called off.

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CCC : Atari machines

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Whilst in a self-induced trance, Lawrence Walker happened to blather: >> On 08-Aug-97, Lawrence Walker wrote: >> >> >> be listed instead or separately? (For that matter, the XE Game System, >> >> which is on the list, only becomes a "computer" when the ^^^^^^^^^^ [[ part I missed before I re-read the msg. ]] >> >> separately-marketed keyboard is added to it; otherwise, it is strictly a >> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> cartridge game machine too.) >> >> > Not so . I have one in the original packaging . As well as a >> >keyboard, it also included a joystck and a "light-gun". It also had a >> >manual for Atari Basic AND 2 game cartridges.WOW, what a deal. : ^ ) >> >> Larry, >> >> I believe that initially, the XEGS keyboard was optional though. The >> wording in the keyboard's manaul, at least the one I have, seems to support >> this. The argument of whether the XEGS is a game console or a computer is one >> that has been going on in the newsgroups for quite some time off and on. > The one I have had basic built into it's 32k ROM and was >functionally an XE . If the XL and XE qualify then so does >the XEGS IMHO. After reading the message three times (as I'd misread it twice), I agree with Larry. Let's remember what the true defination of a computer is: "A machine that can perform arithmatic and logical calculations without the aid of a human." My Casio watch -- by defination -- is a computer. (of course, it's not classic _yet_, tho. ;-) The inclusion of a keyboard does not matter to the defination of a computer, else there are many folks with IMSAIs and Altairs with front panel switchboards, which IMHO is not a "keyboard" per se, yet they are computers. The XEGS (or 2600, 5200, 7800 as well) are computers as well. Remember, you _could_ do Basic programming on a 2600! Just MHO, "Merch" -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* zmerch(a)northernway.net | be your first career choice.

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area code

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Whilst in a self-induced trance, Glenn Roberts happened to blather: >FYI, according to > > http://www.555-1212.com/aclookup.html > >The geographical location for area code 248 is Michigan (major cities: >Novi, Waterford, Troy). Gwarsh, is my face red! They must have just instituted it, and that area is getting bigger than I thought! (BTW, my dad was raised in Royal Oak, and my grandparents lived in Troy for many years...) They only put the (810) area code in there around 4-5 years ago, IIRC! Well, if a whole buncha folks smarter than me say it's so, then it's so! BTW, the "better half" of Michigan is known as the Upper Peninsula (We're not even connected to the Lower Peninsula except via the Mackinac Bridge), otherwise known as "God's Country." If you like history, you'd love the area! Mail me private and I'll tell you all about it! "Merch" -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* zmerch(a)northernway.net | be your first career choice.

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Us Computer Exchange

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Whilst in a self-induced trance, Sam Ismail happened to blather: [snip] >This guy is Rob Campbell. He is in Detroit, Michigan. His number is >(248) 583-9000. Call him, talk to him. Sounds like a reasonable guy. Uh, Sam? Are you sure this guy's in Detroit? The Area Code for phone numbers in Detroit are either (810) or (313). I've never heard of (248), especially in Michigan. (BTW, I live in the "Better" half of Michigan, in the (906) area code!) HTH, "Merch" -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* zmerch(a)northernway.net | be your first career choice.

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Freebies!

by kyrrin＠wizards.net

Hi, folks, Well, Bill Whitson has said he was going to collect these, but I've not heard anything back from him since we missed each other last Sunday. With that in mind, and pending any objection from him, I am offering the following freebies to anyone who wants to pick them up from Kent, WA (southeast of Seattle). 9-track tape drive, GCR-capable, Pertec interface. Made by StorageTek. NOT OPERATIONAL -- needs work. NCR 'I-Tower' computer system, with some manuals and peripherals. Processor is a Motorola 68020 (I think). Condition unknown; fired up OK, but I had no console attached. Case has built-in UPS (batteries may need replacement). Various other odds and ends, including at least one 'tech special' UPS (not on strike) and anything else I feel like unloading on whatever vict... uhh, 'collector' shows up. ;-) Get back to me via E-mail if interested. Weekends work best. Thanks! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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CCC : Atari machines

by 107765.1161＠compuserve.com

Message text written by INTERNET:classiccmp@u.washington.edu >OK, here is the complete listing from the CCC of the machines made by Atari. < "Machines" really isn't the operative word; for instance, the list does not include the Atari Pong, 5200 and 7800 game consoles. I assume what you are trying to put together is a list of Atari "computers". That in turn takes some philosophical interpretation as to what constitutes a "computer". The 2600 game console is on the list; I assume it's there because Atari made a BASIC cartridge and a so-called "keyboard" controller for the unit, so it was technically possible to do some quasi-BASIC programming on it, not unlike a real computer. Of course, it only had something like 50 bytes of RAM available (not 50K bytes; just 50 bytes). The number of keys on the cheesy "keyboard" controllers were so few that each key had to do triple duty depending on what "color mode" it was in at the time. (If that didn't turn people off on BASIC programming, I don't know what would.) t had no way to attach a printer, and it could not save to or load from tape (or any other storage medium), so any programs developed could not be preserved. So, is that a "computer" or not? Then, Atari produced at least some "real" add-on keyboard units for the 2600. I believe they were originally called "The Graduate", but made it to market in 1982 as "My First Computer". They had 8K, expandable to 32K, and apparently saved/loaded from standard cassette units. So does the 2600 become a "real" computer at that point, and/or should "My First Computer" be listed instead or separately? (For that matter, the XE Game System, which is on the list, only becomes a "computer" when the separately-marketed keyboard is added to it; otherwise, it is strictly a cartridge game machine too.) Gil Parrish 107765.1161(a)compuserve.com

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XT COMPUTERS

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Quarterdeck QRAM only did that with NEAT or LEAP chip sets from Chips & Technologies, by using the shadow RAM mapping, and required 1MB on the motherboard, not 640K. I didn't think that was a significant enough market share to mention. It would also work with a LIM 4.0 EMS board as I mentioned earlier. Kai > ---------- > From: Marvin > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Friday, August 08, 1997 1:50 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: XT COMPUTERS > > Kai Kaltenbach wrote: > > > On a 286, you could use various LIM 4.0 compliant expanded > > memory boards > > (e.g. Intel AboveBoard Plus) or a wacky device called an > > ALL Charge > > Card, along with special software to map memory into the > > location. > > Quarterdeck also had a program that would expand available > memory on a 286 above 640K called QRAM. I used to have it > many moons ago, but got rid of it when I was cleaning > house. Somehow, it also would map memory into the A000-AFFF > on a mono card, but would also make more memory available > even with the EGA card. Can't remember how though. >

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this list

by jeffh＠unix.aardvarkol.com

Well as much as I hate to do it, this will be my last message to this group for a while. Up until the first of the year, I'll be on the road anywhere from 10 to 30+ days at a time, and this group generates far too many messages for me to allow it to build up between retrievals! For those of you that I deal with quite a bit, as well as those who might find info that may be of interest to me and wish to send it, my email address below will still be valid. I've gotten a lot out of this group, so keep up the good work! Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Amiga enthusiast and collector of early, classic microcomputers http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

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Us Computer Exchange

by dastar＠crl.com

A guy sent me e-mail soliciting some old computer stuff to sell. Here's what he told me he has: Lots of DEC stuff: PDP-11/70s MicroVax(en) Tape Drives, etc. Parts, etc. A couple Intel development computers. Didn't go too much into detail about these other than the fact that they have dual 8" drives. Sounds neat. This guy is Rob Campbell. He is in Detroit, Michigan. His number is (248) 583-9000. Call him, talk to him. Sounds like a reasonable guy. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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11/23 Finally Works!

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I dropped in the 11/23+ CPU and everything worked fine, except that my EDSI harddisk has bought the big one... According to ROM diags, I have EIS and FIS for CPU options and 1024Kwords RAM. I plugged in my Infinite Loop and it ran. The one-instruction infinite loop doesn't work, at 1000 it jumps to 1006 (JMP (PC)). And the RX02 responds NO DISK, which is correct. Now all I need to do is go find an operating system! Does anyone have any programs or etc. that can be dropped in core with ODT?

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HHC docs (fwd)

by dastar＠crl.com

Anyone want any EPROMS? Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:41:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikeooo1(a)aol.com To: dastar(a)crl.com Subject: Re: HHC docs Sam, Will do.It'll be out to you tomorrow first thing.Incidentally you might ask that gentleman or any other interested parties for that matter if they have a need for HHC eproms.I have a little over 5000 of them which I've been offered a nominal salvage value for and I'll probably unload the whole batch fairly soon. Regards,Mike

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Effort

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Paul, Sent this to the list. as it's generally useful. <I think I've got an old rx33-but how would I plug it in? Vs2000? there is a 60-70 pin header that takes a decunique cable the breaks it down the floppy and mfm hard disks. MVII can use a PC floppy cable to the first non twist cable. also It can use PC MFM HD cables to the drive. <And, what about non-DEC mfm drives-- can the hardware read them, but not VM dec name COMMON NAME size RD51 st412 10mb RD52 quantum q540 ~35mb RD53 micropolus 1325 ~71mb RD54 maxtor-2190 ~159mb RD31 ST225 ~20mb RD32 St251 ~40mb This is important to dec software, and booting. Any other drive with the same number heads, cylinders, and tracks can be used as it will map to a known(to the rom) drive. Other drives can be used if the OS knows it and can boot from the known hard drive, floppy or net via mop boot. Allison

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New boards! Vax/10/11/8!

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I got a whole box of interesting boards! PDP-11 BOARDS: M7264 - PDP11/03 processor, 4k ram, all 4 chip sockets used. Two of these. M8012-YA - Terminators+bootstraps. Two of these. M8716 - DR11-W DMA INTERFACE, DR11-B IN HEX M8728 - 64K MOS MEMORY M8189 - 11/23+ CPU!! This goes in mine! 2 CPUs and an MMU? PDP-8 BOARDS: M8310 - Reg control for KK8E M8300 - Major regs for KK8E M8350 - Pos. IO bus interface M8341 - EAE REGISTER CONTROL M8340 - EAE INSTRUCTION DECODER M8655 - KL8-J, KL8-KA, QUAD, 110 to 9600 CONT, Two of these. DEC10 BOARDS: M8603 - Massbus interface data board M8521 - CACHE DATA M8580 - MF20 DUAL TRANSLATOR, Two of these. M8604 - DX20 MASSBUS INTERFACE CONTROL, HEX M8571 - LP20 DATA PATH W LA180 CAPABILITY M8605 - DX20, DATA PATH BUFFER STORAGE M8743-AF - 1 Meg ECC RAM M8606 - DX20, DATA PATH FORMATTER M8607 - DX20, IBM CHANNEL BUS INTERFACE FOR DX20-C M8558-C - KI MEMORY BUS ADAPTER. Marked "BAD FOR KL10" Doesn't LOOK bad... M8723 - ??? M8579 - MF20-M, 256K 11-bit MOS RAM. Fifteen of these! M8585 - LP20 TRANSLATION RAM. Two of these. M8586 - LP20 CONTROL. M8516 - ECL to TTL translator VAX BOARDS: These make an 11/785 CPU, I think... M7459 - TRS, TERMINATOR & SILO, 11/785 M7463 - KA785, CDM, CACHE DATA MATRIX M7474 - KA785, CLK, CPU CLOCK M7462 - KA785, CAM, CACHE ADDR MATRIX M7475 - KA785, JCS, JOINT CONTROL STORE M7467 - KA785, DEP, CPU DATA PATH "B" M7472 - KA785, CEH, CONDITION CODES, EXCEPTIONS, HIGH BITS M7473 - KA785, ICL, (INTERRUPT CONTROL, LOW BITS) M7476 - KA785, USC, MICRO SEQUENCER CONTROL M7477 - KA785, CIB, CPU CONSOLE INTERFACE M7460 - KA785, SBL, SBI CPU LOW BITS INTERFACE How many more do I need to finish a KA785? And when I get them, can I drop this in a Unibus or is it a special bus?

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(fwd) 3b2 FS or For Grabs

by pcoad＠crl.com

Found this in comp.sys.3b1. It could be a pretty good deal if you are in the NY area. It may not yet quite yet be a classic, but it should be soon. --pec -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saved From The Dumpster Collection: http://www.crl.com/~pcoad/machines.html -- forwarded message -- Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.3b1,comp.sys,nonpc Path: nnrp1.crl.com!news.znet.com!uunet!in5.uu.net!hotmomma!hotmomma!biancx!larry From: larry(a)biancx.com (Larry Racies) Subject: 3b2 FS or For Grabs Message-ID: <EELo6G.85y(a)biancx.com> Organization: Newsreel Service Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:56:40 GMT Lines: 11 Xref: nnrp1.crl.com comp.sys.att:7992 comp.sys.3b1:8535 comp.sys:574 T&T 3b2-400 in a 310 case SVR3 installed Plus 16 AT&T manuals and a few floppies. You name it. Located in NY City. Pick it up and take it away. Larry

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XT COMPUTERS

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Hi René, I guess that would be my specialty. The PC memory map looks like this: C000 - FFFF - Various open areas depending on the individual machine, plus the BIOS B800 - BFFF - Low resolution (CGA or EGA/VGA low res/text) video (if present) B000 - B7FF - Monochrome adapter (if present) A000 - AFFF - High resolution (EGA/VGA) video (if present) 0000 - 9FFF- Base 640K I think what you mean is you'd like to use the high resolution area from A000-AFFF to increase base RAM size. The low resolution area is not contiguous with base RAM so it can't be used to increase base RAM size. The trick is, there is no RAM in this location that you can use to increase the base memory. So, you have to put RAM there somehow (no, video RAM won't work). There are various methods to do this. On a 386 or above, the virtual memory management allows a 386-up memory manager such as EMM386, QEMM386, or 386MAX to map memory into that location. On a 286, you could use various LIM 4.0 compliant expanded memory boards (e.g. Intel AboveBoard Plus) or a wacky device called an ALL Charge Card, along with special software to map memory into the location. On an 8088, you had to use a special card, which was a very simple device containing 64K or more of RAM, along with address selection switches. The card would map RAM into that location, and came with software to extend apparent DOS RAM. Kai > ---------- > From: SSE Technical Support > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Friday, August 08, 1997 12:18 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: FW: XT COMPUTERS > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mr. Self Destruct [SMTP:more@camlaw.rutgers.edu] > Sent: donderdag 7 augustus 1997 19:26 > To: Rene van der Meer > Subject: Re: XT COMPUTERS > > > On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Rene van der Meer wrote: > > > Hi my name is René > > Hello. > > > I am looking for a program that allows me to break the 640kb and > uses the > > cga memory address to make 768kb I am not sure if this exists I > belief so.. > > I've heard of such programs, but many were machine specific and/or > flaky. > I'd recommend asking the fellows at the classic computer mailing list > at: > "classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu" > > > it is for a KAYPRO XL > > my direst computer that I ever had... > > please help me ... > > my e-mail address is renemeer(a)xs4all.nl > > I to like old junk > > Glad to hear that! > Les >

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Second Test

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<chats scheduled and publicised. A look at the S-100 would be <interesting. being as s100 has been my base of ops for z80(and others) for many years it would be more interesting to me as well. Allison

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Second Test

by carl.friend＠stoneweb.com

On Fri, 8 Aug 1997 01:43:36 -0500, Brett spake thusly unto us: > Allison, Andy, Brett, Carl, Frank McConnell, Guest, Jim Willing, Kai, > Thorhallur, Zane, dseagrave, and spc all came over to the chatroom. > A good discussion about TI Silent 700's ensued. I either arrived late for the S700 chat, or departed early, so I missed it. The software seems to work well enough, although it some- times slowed to a crawl (which could have been my comms line). Next time, I'll try to be _awake_! (And running a different browser - I think Lynx may be excellent for the task.) > I don't know if this is something anybody wants to use. On the surface of it, it looked very interesting; I'm certainly game for another round. The only fly-in-the-ointment is getting chats scheduled and publicised. A look at the S-100 would be interesting. ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum/ | ICBM: N42:21 W71:46 | |________________________________________________|_____________________|

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The strange devices that were pictured.

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I've been snooping around and I think that box with the label Supra on it, is an external SCSI HOST adapter for an ATARI ST.

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Free things available for UK collectors...

by kevan＠motiv.co.uk

Just found this in uk.comp.misc... Does anybody out there collect old Prime kit. IBM, DEC, DG seem to be popular, so what is it about Primes that make them unpopular. I have enquired about the size of this Prime because I know they made a small 50 series machine because we used to have one when I worked for Computervision. ------- Forwarded Message From: Kevin Bradly <sales(a)bradassoc.co.uk> Newsgroups: uk.comp.misc Subject: Old equipment (Prime, Sun386 etc.) for FREE Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:47:01 +0100 Organization: Bradly Associates Ltd Message-ID: <3wf0lAAF0t6zEABY(a)bradassoc.co.uk> Hi We have some redundant computer equipment that we are happy to give away for free providing it is collected from our premises. The following is available: PRIME 2350, 4Mb memory, 258Mb disk, 60Mb tape cartridge Mag-Tape unit, PT250 terminal SUN 386i workstation, 8Mb memory, 327Mb disk, 19" colour monitor, 60Mb tape cartidge DEC Rainbow PC100+, 10Mb disk, graphics board, MS-DOS, MS-Fortran. DEC VT125 graphics terminal, greyscale, 768 x 480 resolution PERICOM 7350 colour graphics terminal, 19" monitor, 1024 x 768 PERICOM MG200 B/W graphics terminal SIGMA 5688 colour graphics terminal Please help me clear some space in our office or suggest any other good rest-homes for this old retired equipment. Kevin Bradly Bradly Associates Ltd Manhattan House 140 High Street Crowthorne Berks. RG45 7AY UK Tel: +44 (0) 1344 779381 Fax: +44 (0) 1344 773168 e-mail: sales(a)bradassoc.co.uk URL: http://www.bradassoc.co.uk/ ------- End of Forwarded Message

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CCC : Atari machines

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I recently aquired a 1040 STf, what's the deal with the f designator, anyone know? Im still workin on finding a monitor. ---------- > From: Hans Pufal <hans1(a)filan00.grenoble.hp.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: CCC : Atari machines > Date: Thursday, August 07, 1997 12:19 AM > > OK, here is the complete listing from the CCC of the machines made by > Atari. Please consult your favorite references and confirm/deny or > complete the missing data. > > I would like a month/year for the first customer shipment or the first > public working demonstration of the machines. Please provide references > where possible, if they are on-line then so much the better. > > I am also planning to extend the information per machine to include data > about processor used, word-size, memory configurations etc. so feel free > to add that data also. > > I have set the reply to address to my personal Email so as not to > clutter the mail list. You can always go to the CCC to recover the > updated data. If there are enopugh requests I can post an updated > preview table here before the CCC gets updated. > > I would also be interested in a potted history of the manufacturer, date > started where located and significant events in its history. I know most > of this is probably available on the NET for Atari, but not for some of > the more obscure companies. > > CCC list for Atari > > I think I am correct in saying that all Atari machines were designed in > the USA. > > 400 Dec-78 > 800 1979 > 1200XL 1982 > 600XL 1983 > 800XL 1983 > 1040 ST 1985 > 130XE 1985 > 520 STfm 1985 > 520 ST Jan-85 > 65XE Jan-85 > Mega ST 1987 > Mega STe 1987 > XE Game system 1987 > STe 1990 > TT 1990 > 1024 STe > 1040 STf > 1040 STfm > 260 ST > 2600 > 520 ST+ > 520 STe > 520 STm > 800XE > ATR-8000 > Falcon 16 > Mega 1 > Mega 4 > STacy > STbook > TT/16 > > Thanks for you help > > Hans B Pufal

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FW: XT COMPUTERS

by rene＠spartacom.nl

-----Original Message----- From: Mr. Self Destruct [SMTP:more@camlaw.rutgers.edu] Sent: donderdag 7 augustus 1997 19:26 To: Rene van der Meer Subject: Re: XT COMPUTERS On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Rene van der Meer wrote: > Hi my name is René Hello. > I am looking for a program that allows me to break the 640kb and uses the > cga memory address to make 768kb I am not sure if this exists I belief so.. I've heard of such programs, but many were machine specific and/or flaky. I'd recommend asking the fellows at the classic computer mailing list at: "classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu" > it is for a KAYPRO XL > my direst computer that I ever had... > please help me ... > my e-mail address is renemeer(a)xs4all.nl > I to like old junk Glad to hear that! Les

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Second Test

by danjo＠xnet.com

Allison, Andy, Brett, Carl, Frank McConnell, Guest, Jim Willing, Kai, Thorhallur, Zane, dseagrave, and spc all came over to the chatroom. A good discussion about TI Silent 700's ensued. The largest number at one time was 7 and it didn't even dent my ISP. Well, as far as I know 8-) For most of us this is something we have heard about but not really tried. Bill Kendrick's Free Chat seems to be pretty good but not really ready for heavy usage. I am in comms with him to see if we can't get it beefed up. The next release is supposed to have multiple chatrooms so we could have a wider range of subjects. I don't know if this is something anybody wants to use. There can be a log of messages that could be condensed to keep everybody informed of any info that is dispensed on the chatroom. This is basically a test for Special Chats - in which case I think the usage would go heavier than 7 - maybe upto 40 at one time. Maybe we could have something like PDP-11 nights or Amiga nights or something like that. I would like to get *authorities* involved. Maybe "Dr. S-100" would like to host a S-100 run - something that is useful anyway. BC

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Right Now!

by danjo＠xnet.com

We are running the Chatroom again for another test - come join us! We are trying to bring my ISP to it knees - don't worry - can't happen. URL: http://www.xnet.com/~danjo/classic/chat/ The Chat software will belly up LONG before the server 8-) We will be on until - oh Midnight CST - maybe 8-) BC

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Help identify these hardware items! (picture links)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Please help identify these pieces of hardware! I finally got around to shooting some pictures of these to help ID them. Item #1: An 8080 prototype board. Who made this? http://pw1.netcom.com/~mir/S001I001.JPG Item #2: A SCSI hard disk interface box for some home computer. It has a 50-pin female edge connector on the left, an edge connector on the upper right labeled 'printer' and a 50-pin male pin connector for the hard disk. What machine is this for? http://pw1.netcom.com/~mir/S001I002.JPG Item #3: A front panel. The switches are labeled CLR, STP, MRD, MWR, ADR, EXE and numbers 2 through 15. What mainframe did this come from? http://pw1.netcom.com/~mir/S001I004.JPG Item #4: Another front panel. No bezel on this one. Has black IMSAI-style paddle switches and a hex keypad. http://pw1.netcom.com/~mir/S001I005.JPG thanks all! Kai

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DEC Floppy Disks for ???

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< <BA-F021I-MC <CZZMCI0 DYDP+3 LSI-11 #1 Marvin, For the clue impaired , the machine is LSI-11 Aka PDP-11. Those are what are known as xxdp diagnostics for rx02. they are quit hand to hae if you have a pdp11. Allison

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Need to make bootable TK50 tape

by kyrrin＠wizards.net

Hi, folks, I've been loaned the full-service diagnostics tape for the MicroVAX II. I've attempted to copy said tape using a pair of SCSI TK50 drives and a binary (bit-by-bit) image copy utility. It didn't work. For some bizarre reason, I cannot boot from the copy. Question: Short of installing a second TK50 in the MicroVAX long enough to make a mirror-image copy under VMS (which is something else I don't know how to do yet), what can I do here? This is a limited-time deal; I do need to have the tape back to its original owners next week. Another question: Can I initialize the target tape with VMS in some way to make it bootable, and then copy the diags from the source tape? Please help! If I can solve this, I'll be able to archive the thing on CD-ROM and make the image available to other MicroVAXen owners. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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DEC Floppy Disks for ???

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Marvin, <I figured they were probably for the LSI-11 but beyond that, I didn't <have a clue. I have several PDP computers including the 8i, 05, and <23. Are these similar to the paper tape diagnostics for the PDP 8? They are not like the PDP-8 tapes, though some similarity may exist. They would be usable for the 23 if it has rx02. <Also, is the disk format such that they have to be read on a DEC <computer or can they be read on other machines? Thanks! The dydp are RX02 so the answer is directly, no. if it was a dxdp set the answer is yes as that would be RX01 (standard single density 8"). They can be transfered to rx01(or tu58, rl01/2, rk05, magtape) and made bootable. so if you have a working PDP-11 (most any) with RX02 you can make them rx01 and then readable by other systems, executeable is another matter as they are written in PDP-11 code. Allison

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1040STf

by idavis＠comland.com

At 08:20 AM 8/7/97 -0500, Bill Girnius wrote: >I recently aquired a 1040 STf, what's the deal with the f designator, >anyone know? Im still workin on finding a monitor. > >---------- Bill, STF means ST+internal _F_loppy drive. There is a good web page with a bunch of ST stats and info at: http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/aseabrook/a_models.htm Isaac Davis | Don't throw out that old computer, idavis(a)comland.com | check out the Classic Computer Rescue List - indavis(a)juno.com | http://www.comland.com/~idavis/classic/classic.html

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CCC : Atari machines

by adam＠merlin.net.au

Hi again. :) I can't add much, as I only recently started looking into Atari history, but the 800xe was released in 1985, and the portfolio, if you choose to include it, in 1988. Hope it helps a bit, Adam.

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new addition: grid laptop

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i traded my brother a ncr mca box for something called a grid compass ][ 1129. it's a quite large laptop with what seems to be in a metal <!> case and a 3.5x5 inch screen. it also has an access door with 4 roms installed; gridrom 3.1.5 write/term/format, gridrom 3.1.0 grid-os system, gridmail 103.2.2 and gridos utility rom, 3.1.0 the machine works, but only from ac power. it also has a screen saver with bouncing balls! =D my brother says he got it from a guy who worked in the aerospace industry who said this machine was supposedly used to compute some kind of vectors or something or other for the space shuttle program back in the 80's although i have no way of quantifying that. on the back of the machine there is a proprietary serial connector and phone jacks and something called a GPIB port; can anyone say what that is? i'm still trying to figure out the preloaded apps, but i've stumbled upon a passwoid option which i may have to hack through. i welcome any info or opinions on this beast. it's esoteric enough to keep in my collection. david

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PDP-11/10 console (was: DEC keys and consoles)

by ard＠siva.bris.ac.uk

>There is what appears to be an RC clock composed of a 4.7 nF capacitor and >a multi-turn trimmer potentiometer in the upper left corner of the M7260 >data path board in my 11/10. It looks like this clock feeds a 74197 >counter, which has a 5-position rotary switch connected (presumably for >selecting what the incoming clock is divided by). I'll put a scope on pin >40 of the UART after I power the machine up to see what effect the rotary >switch has on the UART clock. It seems likely that the rotary switch is >used for making large changes in the baud rate and the trimmer is used for >tweaking. If that's the board I think it is, it's an 11/10S. The preset was adjusted at the factory, and you could set most standard baud rates using the switch. It can't hurt to measure the frequency, of course. I can check the printset next weekend for you if you can't figure it out. > >-- >Scott Ware s-ware(a)nwu.edu -tony

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Classic Computer Rescue - A Story

by jeffh＠unix.aardvarkol.com

On 05-Aug-97, Allison J Parent wrote: >odd sounding box. The BA23 is a 6"x19"x29" chassis out of the plastic dress >case. The BA123 is about double the width but the layout is very different. >The backplane is fixed in a main chassin and has a door over it and dress >covers. Sounds like a either a bs23 or BA213 skunk box. Most ba23s only >have one hard drive and either RX50 or TK50/70 tape. This one is in a plastic case mounted on a pedestal..the cases outside dimensions are: 6"W x 28-1/4" L x 24" H. The dimensions of the internal chasis alone are approximately: 5"W x 24" L x 17-1/2" H. It certainly doesn't sound wide enough to be a BA123, which threw me off at first when Tim suggested that's what it was. It doesn't seem to match the dimensions of the BA23 though either, especially since it has two slide-mounted hard disks in it, though it lacks a tape drive or any other type of removable media. >FYI the BA23 (Ihave one) slides into a plastic pedestal case from the back. >or the metal box can have rack mount ears. This one also alows the whole chasis to slide in and out of the pedestal case...and it looks like it'd allow it to do it just as easily from the front as it would the rear. >The 6x6 card? got me. A KA630a is quad width double height (8.5x11). Well my guaging of dimensions by eye leaves much to be desired..which is why I took a seamstress tape to the case for the above dimensions! >If the OS is ultrix yes, VMS no. If the case is BA23 drve ready switches >should be off before turning on and off before turning off. I'd say don't >power it till you have a terminal anyhow as VAXen look for a console >terminal or they don't finish power diags or boot! It also queries the >terminal for what It is, the altos unless a vt100 clone will nto give the >right response (no biggie but there is some console editing that will not >happen then). I'll keep an eye out for a VT-100 or such then....it doesnt look likely I'll find a keyboard for the Altos anyhow. I think I've seen VT-100's for about $50 on the newsgroups. Jeff -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amiga enthusiast and collector of early, classic microcomputers http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

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Machine dates

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> wrote: >> There are over 800 machines with unknown dates, would the list members >> be upset if I do a weekly posting of, say 10 names in an attempt to >> get >> more info? If you do object send me Email and I will stop. > This sounds like a good idea as well as one that is appropriate for this > group! Are you looking for the date that the computers first shipped or > perhaps rather advertised that they would ship :)? Thanks for the encouragement! Yes, the date of a machine is a problem, ideally, for mainframes I would like the date of running the first significant program. I have taken to using the date of publication of an announcemnt in for example IEEE Computer. Any reasonable and hopefully verifiable date would be welcomed. I have been browsing the back issues of PCW magazine of which I have a complete set of the first 8 years or so, and it is amusing to see the adverts for the Sinclair MK14, they start out as rough drawings, then more detailed ones and finally after 8 or so months we finally see a photograph. It would be interesting to see a the sequence of these ads juxtaposed, hmmm, yet another project ;-) Regards, Hans

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Comprehensive Computer Catalogue updated

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

I have updated my opus magnus : the Comprehensive Computer Catalogue (CCC), it now records 3574 computers. Please take a look and send any comments or updates my way. It can be found at <http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc> Use the FIND button to gain access to the search engine, from there you can look for your favorite machine by name or get a list of machines by manufacturer or date or country. There are over 800 machines with unknown dates, would the list members be upset if I do a weekly posting of, say 10 names in an attempt to get more info? If you do object send me Email and I will stop. Best regards, Hans B Pufal

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A Testimonial Dear Friends - CCRS

by danjo＠xnet.com

I was pleased to recieve this today after quite a few emails. I can't think a batter way to say why I joined the Classic Computer Rescue List/Squad. >Brett- > > Well, you're off the hook: I won't be trying to lure you out here for > computer rescues this time! (which is probably a good thing, with the > travel schedule you're looking at. . .) > > Anyway, my contact in western Michigan reappeared, and over the weekend > we did a complete hand over of *lots* of stuff. Now there's a family in > Kent City, Michigan, with a really good start on a full set of early > Zenith machines-- and there's one in Ann Arbor that has a lot more space > opened up in the basement (definitely what I call a win-win situation > :-) > > I do thank you, though, for the initial rescue, as well as the later > info and encouragement. Much appreciated! All the best -- Laura We do meet some of the Nicest People in the world. BC

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Heathkit machines (fwd)

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

An opportunity for a rescue in the Chicago area... -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 21:26:55 -0500 From: Keith McMillen <kmac(a)mmwg.com> To: jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com Subject: Heathkit machines Jim, I have an H-8 with dual floppy drives, and an H-89 (H-8 built into an H-19 terminal) with the built in floppy, plus an additional dual floppy drive setup. There are also a large box of floppies including CPM and the HDOS operating disks. I have no idea how much of this works anymore, but it was functioning when I put it on the shelf. We are moving and I can't take it with. If you can find a home for it, I would be very pleased. The machines are currently in the western suburbs of Chicago, IL. You may contact me at kmac(a)mmwg.com or call (630) 832-1990. KMAC

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First Chatroom test

by danjo＠xnet.com

Well, the turn out was smaller - but that was a Good Thing. Me 8-) and Frank McConnell started up about 20:02 CST. He's on the West Coast so it would have been about 18:02 for him 8-) were joined later by Hans Pufal in France - about 4:08 AM for him (what a trooper!) We tried out various stuff. It seems the Chatroom still has a few bugs. Bill Kendrick (the guy who wrote it) had mentioned some - but not all that we ran across. Still, it seemed to work well. Frank and Hans were running either IE or Netscape. I tried it - my poor little Linux system with 8 MB always did belly up with that running - so I went back to Lynx. Seems to like to say you just joined randomly (that was noted) and then about 95 minutes into it - the whole log got cleaned out. That MIGHT be a feature 8-) Oh there are a ton of features I haven't played with yet. You can put a picture on the chat line as well (scary in some cases 8-) and all sorts of robotic things to do - set up a Eliza talking to people 8-) and then also throwing gifs in to replace words. We are going to try it again on Thursday. Maybe earlier. Maybe later. BC

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New wishlist, and...

by kyrrin＠wizards.net

Now that I have your attention... I have need for the FIELD SERVICE diagnostics for the MicroVAX II. Not the customer-level ones; I already have them, and yes, they are a joke. Preferred media is TK50 or RX50. Other things I'm chasing are distribution kits for RSTS/E, ver. 9.x or higher, and Ultrix 4.5. For RSTS, I can take any of the following; 9-track tape, TK50, CD-ROM or RL02 (TK50 or CD-ROM preferred). For Ultrix, TK50 or CD-ROM (I can do RX50's in a pinch, but that'd be a LOT of floppies!). Also, I now have the ability to make binary image copies of TK50 tapes. This means that I can accept a tape on loan, long enough to copy it, and then send it back. It also means I can make copies for fellow VAXen-users. :-) Thanks in advance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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HX20 questions

by ard＠siva.bris.ac.uk

I've just been given an Epson HX20 laptop - it was not working when I got it, but it didn't take long to kludge over the damaged conductor in the keyboard flexiprint cable... Anyway, it came with some rather nice bits : The microcassette drive and 8 tapes A TF20 floppy drive unit and cable A pile of manuals - user manuals for the HX20 and TF20, BASIC reference manual, and _Technical_ manaul for the HX20. The latter is quite a find, and includes schematics of the machine, the tape unit and the ROM cartridge. I am lacking the systems disk for the TF20 - does anyone have one that they could make a copy of. I can supply a blank disk and pay postage, of course. I suspect that as I have the machine, I am entitled to have such a disk. I assume schematics for the TF20 don't exist anywhere... The TF20 contains a pair of 1/3 height voice-coil drives (like those in the QX10), and a controller board. The latter contains a Z80, 2K EPROM, 64K DRAM, the 765 disk controller chip, and TTL glue. There's a daughterboard with the serial chip on it to communicate with the HX20. This reminds me of another Epson object I have - a BM5 floppy drive. This looks like the TF20 (it's a white box, very deep from front to back, with a vertically mounted drive on the front). However, this drive seems to link to the internal controller using an ST506-like interface (34 pin and 20 pin cables), and the controller chips are hard disk controllers. Somebody told me that it stored 5 Mbytes/disk Does anyone know anything about this object? -tony

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Classic Computer Rescue - A Story

by manney＠nwohio.com

I've had (2) VT-100 terminals hanging around for awhile. Anyone want them? I'll have to check & see if they fire up. Manney > I'll keep an eye out for a VT-100 or such then....it doesnt look likely > I'll find a keyboard for the Altos anyhow. I think I've seen VT-100's for > about $50 on the newsgroups. >

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Timex-Sinclair for sale

by dhq＠juno.com

I'll sell everything for $35.00, includes USPS Priorty shipping anywhere in the US. If you live near Ft. Lauderdale you can pick it up for $25.00 PS. I found a paperback book with 51 game programs for the TS 1000 & 1500, it's included. Regards, David Quackenbush

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Need SW for Mac286 board

by jruschme＠hiway1.exit109.com

I just picked up and old AST Mac286 board set. This is a NUBUS-based 286 co-processor for the Mac. Unfortunately, it did not come with software. Can anyone send me a copy of it and any relevant info that I should know about. MIME-encoded disk images are fine. Thanks ever so much in advance... <<<John>>>

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CLASSICCMP digest 135

by kyrrin＠wizards.net

At 00:02 05-08-97 PDT, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:11:30 -0500 (CDT) >From: Brett <danjo(a)xnet.com> >To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu >Subject: Classic Computer Rescue - A Story >Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970804110442.15466B-100000@typhoon> >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > >The Great Galesburg, Illinois Rescue > >Saturday August 2, 1997 - 07:00 >The alarm went off and I lept up from bed. Today was The Day. The Illinois >arm of the Classic Computer Rescue Squad was to make it's first Rescue! >First to the net to see if plans had changed. Nope - looking good! I make my >first pot of coffee (don't you love those Bunn's?) and start by cleaning out >the van. <snip> >2 - 11/44 >1 - VT-52 >3 - RA81 >1 - TE16 >1 - RSTS Manual set <snip> Whoa... did you happen to get any RSTS/E distribution media with that? I don't much care if its TK50, 9-track, or whatever... if you did, I'd be interested in at least a copy. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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CLASSICCMP digest 135

by kyrrin＠wizards.net

At 00:02 05-08-97 PDT, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 12:00:21 +0500 >From: Jeff Hellige <jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com> >To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu >Cc: adam(a)merlin.net.au >Subject: Re: Classic Computer Rescue - A Story >Message-ID: <yam7155.1075.129044000(a)mail.aardvarkol.com> >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain > >On 04-Aug-97, Brett wrote: > >>Saturday August 2, 1997 - 07:00 >>The alarm went off and I lept up from bed. Today was The Day. The Illinois >>arm of the Classic Computer Rescue Squad was to make it's first Rescue! > > Interesting story...I also made my first rescue today! As some of you >already know, I was set to pick up a MicroVax II...well, I did! This thing is >a beast though...barely got it into the house by myself. Here are the specs >on it though I haven't popped open the case yet: <snip> Jeff, once you get that case open, please let me know which cards are in it. The one attached to that 50-pin connector MIGHT be a SCSI-to-QBus adapter. > Now, the guy said he had never seen this machine actually in use, so it's >been sitting for a while. When it was used though, he said it took input from >some sensors on scales and processed that in different ways. > > That's the full extent of what I can tell you about this machine at this >point, until I've gotten into the case. Any comments, info, suggestions, ect. >will be more than welcome! I have several items that may be of help, including a distribution tape for MicroVMS 4.5 (or 4.6? I can never remember). For what they're worth, I've also got a customer-level diagnostic tape. Both are on TK50 cartridges. If either would be of help, I can make you a copy and send it along. I also have some hardware docs on the MicroVAXen. FYI, sounds like you got the BA123 enclosure. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Surwave Amigo

by adam＠merlin.net.au

> Anyone know anything about the Surwave Amigo? I have a non-working > version, and am inclined to fix it, but I don't know what the system is. It > has a Z80a cpu,and I was told by someone (who could well be wrong) that it > runs Apple II software, but that is as much as I have found out so far. Some newly discovered additional information. :) After taking the boards out (one of which I assume is for the dual floppies, one for the hard drive? one unknown and one graphics card), I found a 6502. So it seems it is a dual processor Z80a/6502 machine. This, at least, explains the Apple ][ compatibility, but leaves me a tad more confused about its origins. Adam.

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Heads up! Check the attached in detail...

by kyrrin＠wizards.net

The attached showed up in sci.electronics.equipment. The main reason I'm forwarding it to the list is because the fellow advertises a complete C-64 with what appears to be an actual Commodore EPROM programmer. He's also got an Atari system and some other interesting goodies. Caveat emptor! Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- Path: news.eli.net!inquo!news.uoregon.edu!news.campus.rpslmc.edu!iagnet.net!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: corkymoo(a)aol.com (CorkyMoo) Newsgroups: sci.electronics.equipment Subject: fOr sAlE or there abouts. Date: 4 Aug 1997 15:57:10 GMT Lines: 137 Message-ID: <19970804155700.LAA11692(a)ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news(a)aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <33D3D23E.2862(a)GSI.DE> Xref: news.eli.net sci.electronics.equipment:12201 Some weights haven't been included. You pay shipping. Write if interested in the stuff. Its a pain trying to weigh all this stuff. Need something electronic? ASK. * $20 min..* GC=Good Cond., PC=Poor Cond.-Parts Cond., MO=Make Offer, EC=Excellent Cond. * Please pass this list to some one else. Need some one to talk to call (716)JIXL-HAT -------------------------------------------------------------------- TUBES electron, 955 acorn,9002,7G,6Z4,89,5Y3,6SJ7,6J5,9006,6AV5,AU6A OA3,OA2 and more. 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Edlie Electronics still sells it. -------------------------------------------------------------------- TIMERS - Digital (coffee), control 15a 120v $4/ea., new -------------------------------------------------------------------- ALARMS - Master Lock, 12v auto or home $8/ea. new -------------------------------------------------------------------- TESTING - equipment 2, old Knight magic eye stuff, capacitance and signal tracer, G.C., $20, worth it for the eye tubes. -------------------------------------------------------------------- POWER SUPPLIES - 9 V DC, 150 ma., $2 ea., 5 for $8, 10 for $15, new small modular style with 2x12 mm plug, 6 oz./ea. -------------------------------------------------------------------- DB25 CONNECTORS 40 - rt. angle board mount, 20 female, 20 male, current price $1.60-$1.80 ea., new, $30, 3 lb. -------------------------------------------------------------------- PHONE CORDS 21 - modular and other, EC, $5, 4 lb. -------------------------------------------------------------------- RESISTORS 35 - power, 900 ohm, tubular porcelains, 30 to 50 watts? 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MO -------------------------------------------------------------------- GLOVES, finger less, leather, new, cycling or golfing $2 for both. -------------------------------------------------------------------- RECEPTACLE single, rated 15A 125V, boxed, 4 of these, new $2 -------------------------------------------------------------------- GENERATOR NOISE, General Radio, white/pink/USASI, EC $39 -------------------------------------------------------------------- VCR MULTIPLIER, boxed, 900 MHz, watch in any room, EC $20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- CLEANING CARE KIT, for Bernoulli removable drives, new $2 -------------------------------------------------------------------- WALL PLATE, TV-FM and rotor, lists $3/ea., new $2 all 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMODORE/EPROM, system, consists of all of the following; late model commodore 64 (new style case), EPROM programmer will program 2716 to 27256, 2 disk drives , all boxes, cables, power supplies, manuals. Will toss in all the above manuals#. All EC $120 -------------------------------------------------------------------- C-PROGRAMMING BOOKS, Turbo C++, 4 books. All the following one book; Microsoft Quick C, Advanced C, C Primer Plus, total of 7 books, GC all, $6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Differential DC Voltmeter, JF, Model 801 MegOhmmeter, Industrial Instruments Co., Model L-6B Low Freq. Generator, HP, Model 202A Volt-Amp-Milliammeter, Sensitive Research Instrument Corp. Television/FM Sweep Generator, RCA, WR-69A wt. 17 lbs. Megohm Bridge, General Radio Co., Type 544-B Constant Voltage Conditioner, Digital, H7225-AC MO on all the above. No offer refused. Sold as is for parts. -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCIENCE BOOK MY FIRST, 10.25"X13.25", very large well illustrated, excellent content, Mr.Wizard would have love this. Slight water damage, pages are crinkled a bit. No damage to print or colors and no page tear. $4 -------------------------------------------------------------------- COMPUTER GRAPHICS, Vol.23 #3,4,5. 3 books, pgs. 408,352,332. A publication of ACM Siggraph. $8 -------------------------------------------------------------------- BATTERY PACK, Ni-Cd, 4 AA in shrink wrap, 4.8v, for turbo racing cars or where ever 4.8v or 1/4 less are needed, these can be easily split apart, Radio Shack No. 23-245 GC $3 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ZIF SOCKET, fit 24 to 32 pin DIP's, made by 3M, good quality, new $4 --------------------------------------------------------------------- MOTHERBOARD, 486 & 386 and 2 - 14.4K modems sold for parts, $5 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ATARI 5200, great older game machine, boxed, with Space Invaders, Dig Dug, Joust, Pac-Man, Mario Bros., Centipede. EC except for joysticks, will have to solder on switch for fire button. wt. 16 lbs. $20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- PHONE JACK/WIRING BLOCK, new, just purchased from Sun, $1 -------------------------------------------------------------------- TRANSMITTER's, 5 watts, are set for between two CB chs. 3&4 these are removed from new equipment, board measures about 1 6/16" X 5", $6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- CAP variable air, 50-1470 pF, about 8.5"x4.5"x4.5", biggest I've seen, stainless steel and AL, $6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- THE END... -------------------------------------------------------------------- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL SUBJECT TO $500.00 PROOFREADING FEE PER ITEM SENT. SENDING ME SUCH UNSOLICITED ITEMS CONSTITUTES UNDERSTANDING AND ACCEPTANCE OF THESE TERMS. 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I'm to meet Yannes & Charpentier!

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>Ya Rich. Ask them if they would be interested in a first once again? >Hey Bill, with our own server up - do you feel like trying a realtime >chat group? Or is this asking too much - I know you are busy. Maybe >someone else could set up a host system for this. This would be *Real >Neat*. I guess if I suggest it - I better read up on it 8-) Anyone >else think this would be a neat idea??? I wrote Perl code for a web chat once, which ran quite well - but as it uses forms rather than Java it is not entirly real time. Anyway, if you want that we can probably work something out. Ada,

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Fwd: Free TVs,etc

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

If you still have the lisa manuals and stuff I will pay the shipping and cod cost to get them. Let me and thanks John Keys At 02:20 PM 8/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >Perhaps someone would be interested in the Lisa gear? > >Path: cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!slip-90-7.ots.utexas.edu!user >From: epotter(a)mail.utexas.edu (EPotter) >Newsgroups: austin.forsale >Subject: Free TVs,etc >Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 11:31:47 +0100 >Organization: The University of Texas at Austin >Lines: 3 >Distribution: austin >Message-ID: <epotter-0408971131470001(a)slip-90-7.ots.utexas.edu> >NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-90-7.ots.utexas.edu >Xref: cs.utexas.edu austin.forsale:104815 > >Two 25" heathkit TVs, working, with one extra chassis for parts. Large >and heavy, wood cabinets, not fibreboard, need grill cloth. Also several >Lisa keyboards, Lisa manuals, misc. all free, you haul it off. > >

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Fwd: Free TVs,etc

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

If you still these items I can drive down from Houston and ick up or if you only have the manuals I'll apy for shipping the manuals MN. Thanks John Keys At 02:20 PM 8/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >Perhaps someone would be interested in the Lisa gear? > >Path: cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!slip-90-7.ots.utexas.edu!user >From: epotter(a)mail.utexas.edu (EPotter) >Newsgroups: austin.forsale >Subject: Free TVs,etc >Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 11:31:47 +0100 >Organization: The University of Texas at Austin >Lines: 3 >Distribution: austin >Message-ID: <epotter-0408971131470001(a)slip-90-7.ots.utexas.edu> >NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-90-7.ots.utexas.edu >Xref: cs.utexas.edu austin.forsale:104815 > >Two 25" heathkit TVs, working, with one extra chassis for parts. Large >and heavy, wood cabinets, not fibreboard, need grill cloth. Also several >Lisa keyboards, Lisa manuals, misc. all free, you haul it off. > >

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Classic Computer Rescue - A Story

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

>>FYI the BA23 (Ihave one) slides into a plastic pedestal case from the back. >>or the metal box can have rack mount ears. > > This one also alows the whole chasis to slide in and out of the pedestal >case...and it looks like it'd allow it to do it just as easily from the front >as it would the rear. Take a look through the vent holes on top. The BA23 has a metal flange about halfway down which prevents it from coming too far out the front. You can get it out far enough to take off the cover plate over the drive bay, but that's about it. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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Classic Computer Rescue - A Story

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Dave <figured out how to open the access door in the back, and saw some cards in <there, but exactly how do they come out? i didnt want to just start pullin <in case they are locked in somehow. Two screws lets the door loose. Cards slide straight out(pull) the quad wide cards (cpu and mem) have levers at the end, some observation should make their operation clear. FYI cables need to be moved/removed to get at things in a ba23. Not order and position. This is a buss based system and buss continuity is partly based on position and adajacentcy. Depending on age amd options installed the mix of card could vary. Minimally there will be one cpu (top), at least one memory(4/8meg), A DHV11 8line serial, TQK50 tape(optional), DEQNA(NI), RQDX2/3 floppy hard disk controller. If there is a video console there could be one or two more cards. Allison

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Surwave Amigo

by adam＠merlin.net.au

Hi! Anyone know anything about the Surwave Amigo? I have a non-working version, and am inclined to fix it, but I don't know what the system is. It has a Z80a cpu,and I was told by someone (who could well be wrong) that it runs Apple II software, but that is as much as I have found out so far. Thanks heaps, Adam.

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Classic Computer Rescue - A Story

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I also have a uVAX II, and i partially dissembled mine and hosed down the outer plastic shell since there was lots of nasty dust in there. i finally figured out how to open the access door in the back, and saw some cards in there, but exactly how do they come out? i didnt want to just start pulling in case they are locked in somehow. david

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I'm to meet Yannes & Charpentier!

by rcini＠msn.com

For all of those Commodore followers... Something interesting happened today. One of my co-workers asked me to work with her on something relating to a company called Ensoniq, a manufacturer of sound cards and hign-end MIDI equipment. She was reading to me over the phone about the founders and how they came from Commodore International. Hmmmm. She then read the names: Al Charpentier and Robert Yannes. I didn't immediately recognize Al's name, but I knew Yannes. He created the prototypes for the VIC-20 and C64. Reading on, she confirmed my guess. Al ran the LSI section of the Advanced Systems Design Group within Commodore. From the info that we have, it seems that Al did mostly chip design, including the VIC-I and VIC-II, and Bob did mostly systems design. Well, in about a week or two, I'll be meeting these guys. Does anyone have any special questions that are not too off-the-wall and that I can slip into conversation? ------------------------------------------------- Rich Cini/WUGNET e-mail: rcini(a)msn.com - ClubWin Charter Member (6) - MCPS Windows 95/Netowrking

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