- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by engine＠chac.org

At 17:59 11/1/97 -0800, you wrote: >I am not an expert but there were RF modulators (the thing you use to >connect a computer to a TV) for the Apple, from my historical research >Apple could not get FCC certification for an RF adapter for the ][s so >they did not sell any but routed customers to their supplier. I think >the product name was SupRMod or SupRMod ][ or something like that.... If you want to be Captain-Nitpickily accurate, it was called Sup'r Mod, and the supplier's name was Marty Spergel -- the guy who first made himself famous at the Homebrew Computer Club by GIVING away an Intel 8080 chip. ("*gee!*") It wasn't that "Apple could not get FCC certification for an RF adapter," but that they knew darn well they didn't want to, because it would have slowed things up, cost a lot, and maybe forced design changes. Independent certification for a third-party RF modulator was much easier and cheaper. So the ]['s went out with advice to the customer that they did NOT meet FCC spec, and that if interference was encountered, it was the customer's responsibility to interpolate a proper device. I suspect Apple actually subsidized the certification of the Sup'r Mod, and everything after that was gravy -- Apple got off the FCC hook, the ][ stayed cheap to build, and Marty sold a g'zillion Sup'r Mods and got modulatedly rich. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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Beginners Need Help

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hello. I'm not so much a classic specialist as a computer specialist, as I love both old and new computers. I'm not a proffesional, but do know BASIC, DOS and all other kinds of stuff which the fast-moving stream of technology has left behind, unfortunately. But anyway, I didn't know jack about computers in the early 80's, other than what the average Joe knew: Keyboard, commands, annoying. But since '92, I've been learning more and more. But I need a basic list of systems that are 1. Easy To Find 2. Important enough to draw attention. Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

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Hard drive jumper settings required.

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I'm going to attach this to the QD21, so I need to reset the jumpers. IBM 115MB ESDI drive, type 0669, sequence # 104040108 There are 6 DIP switched behind the drive terminator. I'm told I have to use a straight-through cable, so I went and got one. The drive does nothing. With a crossover cable (Where the pins are crossed, a normal PC cable) it went click-clunk, click-clunk, and did nothing. The drive is known good. (I pulled it from a PS/2 which we upgraded to a SCSI drive) If anyone works at Advanced Technology Services, the drive came from Cat origionally and has the ATS sticker "ATS-444862" Another barcode on top of the drive by the air inlet says "B1AF3092241"

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8-bit Atari's

by thedm＠sunflower.com

No it's not normal at all I must have pickedup 20 atari computers and have had no dead ones. They are generally pretty reliable hardware, the floppy drives however are another matter, they need to be speed calibrated often. ---------- > From: Asterisk <ampage(a)geocities.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: 8-bit Atari's > Date: Monday, November 03, 1997 12:48 AM > > I have a weird problem with Atari 8-bit stuff... > I have a 1020 printer, an 850 interface, and a 400 computer, and two 9v > AC power supplies. Nothing works with any of them... The 1020 and its > powersupply were new in the box (shrinkwrapped and all) > > Is this a common problem?

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Need Jumper Settings...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hello. As you may/may not know, I'm working to get a XT working; but I don't have to many of the origional componets. I have the origional XT's monitor and case, but my graphics card is by Multitech, mostly with Chips by a company called Chips (They made the graphics stuff in the IBM Thinkpad 365ED's.), and it's model number (I guess) is PB85101. It does have a composite video adapter on the end, as well as a monitor connection. There are two large processors identical in size and shape to the 8088 (but it probably isn't), but made by Chips. There is also a bus adapter, chips are also made by Toshiba and TI on this thing. It has EGA stamped all over it, so I'm wondering what I should do. Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

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apple III's for sale

by zaphod1＠airmail.net

Tell me more. I need info to act. Thanks Erick Guzowsky zaphod1(a)airmail.net

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UK Based CPM machine collectors...

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 11:25 AM 10/31/97 +0000, you wrote: >Are there any collectors in the UK that specialize in CPM machines. Last >night I acquired a Philips PC2000 portable (along with the Corvis Well, I'm not in the UK, nor do I specialize in CP/M machines, but I do specialize in portables. If this is still available, would you be interested in shipping it across the pond? What do you want for it? Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Spectrum case colour

by pjoules＠enterprise.net

Hi, I got a Sinclair Spectrum +2 at the weekend from a car boot sale complete with a light gun and in its original box with about 50 game cassettes for 20UKP. When I used to have one of these many years ago I seem to recall that the case was grey but this one has a black case. Does anyone know if they were made in different colours and, if so, what the significance of the colours was? Regards Pete #include <std_disclaimer>

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My Recent find

by ejames＠newwave.net

Hi Zane, as for the Commodore 128 I got a copy of Big blue reader that works real well... >>Texas Instruments tI994a with Biege plastic Cover and tape Deck >>Color Computer 2 with cassette deck >>Atari 800 and Tape deck > >Hmmm, I'm starting to notice a pattern here with the tape decks :^) yep my first computer back in 1981 was a ti994a that i never expanded past the cassette drive. as for the others hate to get rid of the tapes after all the herd work keeping them up.. besides brings back memorys and makes you appricate the big machines we use now... Bruce James kb8kac tech plus ejames(a)newwave.net

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Vic-20 was Re: Sorry, I need to get this to PG Manney, there was

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>That might take some time, it got accidentaly buried in the storage shed >out back today. Although I'm going to be moving most of the contents into >a storage unit sometime in the next week or so because it's getting to >damp around here for an outdoor storage shed (one advantage to summertime) Here, it's summer all year round. Good and bad! >I happened to think of something else concerning the VIC-20 though. If you >aren't getting a Commodore 1541 disk drive with it, you'll want one. Okay, thanks. I don't know if I'm getting one; it appears that PG Manney's E-mail is a work adress, or he was away for the weekend or something. >Ah, one of the good TV's. Unfortunatly they don't seem to sell such things >in the US. I was actually looking for one several years ago. You might want to check in the Afeas (how ever it's spelled) catalog, as they're made for military families, so they ususally have things like that if you still want one. Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

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Franklin Ace 1200

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Well, I just powered up one of my finds this weekend. It's a Franklin Ace 1200, the amazing thing is I got it from Goodwill, and it came with a box of floppies, the CBASIC reference manual, and a monitor all for $14.95. Not only is it the best deal I've seen at Goodwill, but it's also the first complete system I've seen there. It actually has CPM 2.2 and some other software so I've finally got a fully functional CPM system besides the Commodore 128. Now what I'm wondering about is the character set. It looks really wierd, and has me wondering if there isn't some sort of problem with the video board. The best example is a capital B which looks like this ******* * * * * ******* * * * * ******* This is just one of the wierd looking characters this systems displays. On the other hand when it's acting like an Apple ][ with a 40 column display it seems to have a normal character set. Overall it seems to be a pretty nice system. When I picked it up I thought it was just a simple Apple ][ clone. It's ability to run CPM and having the original CPM disks was a really great plus. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | | For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html |

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Kim-1, was Re: Sorry, I need to get this to PG Manney, there was

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Sorry but I forgot to say that I have a Kim-1 and the manuals for it, so if you need something let me know. John At 01:14 PM 11/2/97 -0800, you wrote: >> >Does anyone know if the KIM-1 was made before *and* after MOS Technologies >> >was aquired by Commodore? If so, were there any differences between the >> >boards (identification wise)? >> >> I once got a good look at a KIM-1. (I have pictures of it somewhere...) >> This particular one was marked 'MOS Technologies C= Commodore KIM-1'. (It >> very clearly had the commodore logo and name on it.) From this, I assume >> it was made after the aquisition. > >All my KIM-1's are from before the aquisition and don't have "C=" >or "Commodore" on them anywhere. > >A good picture of the pre-Commodore KIM-1 is in BYTE's review. I think it's >August 1976, but I don't know for sure because my BYTE collection >is several miles away at the moment... > >Tim. > >

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Help Identifying RAM Chips

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Your chip #1 is a 64k chip speed of 30ns, chips 2&3 are 256k at 150ns speed. The last set of tell the the size and speed (64-3 and 256-15). John At 06:48 AM 11/2/97 -0600, you wrote: >I have two original Compaq Portables, both of which are giving POST >errors when they boot which indicate bad RAM. I have gone through a few >rounds of swapping RAM chips between the machines to identify the bad >chips, but have come up against a potential roadblock. > >My problem is that there are a number of different chips used in the >machines. As I don't have any data books on these chips, I am not sure >if the different numbers are simply different manufacturer's numbers for >the same chips, if some of the numbers are simply date codes, or if they >are really different, incompatible chips. > >If someone is familiar with these numbers, or can look them up for me, I >would really appreciate it: > >Chip #1: >Hitachi >1818-3006 >Japan 8332U >HM4864P-3 > >Chip #2: >NEC >8539PF513 >D41256C-15 > >Chip #3: >Fairchild (I think; has an "F" with a bar above and below it) >MB81256-15 >8548 M79 BC > >Chip #4: >NEC >8538PF532 >D41256C-15 > >If you could let me know the size of each chip, as well as the width of >the memory, it would help me determine what size of RAM I should be >setting the motherboard DIP switches for. Also, would I be correct in >assuming the "-15" appearing on most of the chips specifies 15ns? > >If anyone is familiar with adding RAM to the motherboard on the Compaq, >I would appreciate your input on the following: > >The machine has 4 banks of RAM, consisting of 8 chips each, plus 1 chip >for each bank marked "BIT 0". The first two banks of chips (0 & 1) are >soldered, the other two (2 & 3) are socketed. > >1) Is the "BIT 0" chip a parity chip? >2) Can RAM be installed in Bank 2 without having to populate Bank 3? > >Any help in regards to the above is much appreciated!! Thanks in >advance. > > >

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Kim-1, was Re: Sorry, I need to get this to PG Manney, there was

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Commodore put their name on the board after they bought the company in October 1976. Before that date the boards have "MOS" on them after they have "Commodore". Hope this helps. John At 10:42 AM 11/2/97 -0800, you wrote: >Tim Shoppa wrote: > >> > Actually it's far from thier first. There was several models of the >> PET, >> > and another earlier one whose name escapes me (KIT?). >> >> I believe you're thinking of the KIM-1. It was originally >> made and sold by MOS Technologies, which was apparently bought by >> Commodore at some point. > >Does anyone know if the KIM-1 was made before *and* after MOS Technologies >was aquired by Commodore? If so, were there any differences between the >boards (identification wise)? > > >

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Help Identifying RAM Chips

by gzozman＠escape.ca

I have two original Compaq Portables, both of which are giving POST errors when they boot which indicate bad RAM. I have gone through a few rounds of swapping RAM chips between the machines to identify the bad chips, but have come up against a potential roadblock. My problem is that there are a number of different chips used in the machines. As I don't have any data books on these chips, I am not sure if the different numbers are simply different manufacturer's numbers for the same chips, if some of the numbers are simply date codes, or if they are really different, incompatible chips. If someone is familiar with these numbers, or can look them up for me, I would really appreciate it: Chip #1: Hitachi 1818-3006 Japan 8332U HM4864P-3 Chip #2: NEC 8539PF513 D41256C-15 Chip #3: Fairchild (I think; has an "F" with a bar above and below it) MB81256-15 8548 M79 BC Chip #4: NEC 8538PF532 D41256C-15 If you could let me know the size of each chip, as well as the width of the memory, it would help me determine what size of RAM I should be setting the motherboard DIP switches for. Also, would I be correct in assuming the "-15" appearing on most of the chips specifies 15ns? If anyone is familiar with adding RAM to the motherboard on the Compaq, I would appreciate your input on the following: The machine has 4 banks of RAM, consisting of 8 chips each, plus 1 chip for each bank marked "BIT 0". The first two banks of chips (0 & 1) are soldered, the other two (2 & 3) are socketed. 1) Is the "BIT 0" chip a parity chip? 2) Can RAM be installed in Bank 2 without having to populate Bank 3? Any help in regards to the above is much appreciated!! Thanks in advance.

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Here's A Great Place for Surplus DEC

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi All: For those close to Ottawa, Ontario, I've found a fantastic source of DEC boards and associated equipment: Computer Recyclers Inc. 10 Rideau Heights Drive, Nepean, Ontario K2E 7A6 Canada (613) 723-3135 Fax: (613) 723-4607 I've been to Ottawa 3 times in the past year (work related), and each time they've had HUNDREDS of boards, systems, cables, etc., tons of stuff from DEC and other DEC sites. They are recyclers, i.e. they feed dumpsters and metal recyclers, so prices are great. Dual height boards are flat rate $5 CDN, quad height flat rate $10 CDN. If you need boards, power supplies, backplanes, rails, racks, cables, drives, terminals, printers, etc then this is a good place to check. My finds from last week included 2 TK70 drives and a TQK70 controller for $25. Unfortunately the selection is largely hit and miss as they move systems through pretty quickly. There's currently no inventory, you have to show up and look through their oil drums of boards etc. I did, on my last trip, provide them with the "dec field guide" board inventory document, and suggest to the owner that they catalog and sell their boards on the net, but we'll have to see if they do so. For PC types, they also have some PC class stuff, mainboards, etc but I didn't really look at these. For info of the group, Kevin --- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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Please un-subscribe me from this list

by mark＠technosis.com.au

My Apologies for not having the proper un-subscribe details on hand. I will be away for 3 weeks and others will be checking my email at work so I need to unsubscribe to reduce the amount of filtering they have to do. Thanks, Mark. (mark(a)technosis.com.au)

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Needed: rom for Model 100

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> > have one model 100 that has no display when I turn it on, but after <> waiting <> > a few minutes, the display begins to show. <> <> I haven't tried that. How long does that take? <> <> > I am assuming you have tried <> > both types of reset: 1) the reset button on the back, and 2) holding <> <> > shift/pause while turning the machine on. <> <> I tried the reset button, I didn't know anything about shift/pause. <> What <> does that do? <> <> > Does the display show anything <> > when the contrast knob is turned? <> <> The contrast knob doesn't do anything . . . Any machine that runs on nicads, they are suspect until checked for leakage and charged. Often they develope internal shorts that render them impossible to charge in the machine. Replacement is the best course in most cases. Allison

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Sorry, I need to get this to PG Manney, there was

by manney＠nwohio.com

>Sorry it took so long. I tried mailing you, but there was an error. ...and I thought computers never went wrong! <g> > >It's really comforting to know that some people have consionace. > >>Thanks. I'm trying to raise my children with consciences, too. We're >>Christians, and we feel that treating people *right* is very important >Those people will be the future leaders of our world. >>I hope >>that you're not in a hurry: A friend's giving me a new board, and they say >>that it could take some time to get it, but as soon as I get it, they new >>board will get shipped to you. Don't worry, I won't give it to anyone >>else. > >I always need motherboards and drives (got any old IDE drives around?), >because I buy and sell computers. We're out here in the wilds of Ohio >(USA), >where many people have older systems...I even sold a Commodore the other >day! >I have an old IDE drive, it's a Segate 41 MB. It says ST-251, then on a >seperate sticker it says -1 right next to the first one. Serial number is >25534738. It's the large kind, like they had back in the early 80's. It's a 40 MB hard drive (6 Heads, 820 Cylinders, 17 cylinders) > If you repair computers, I have a additional 486/SX 33 that I could throw >in. Glad to take it! >>remember the XT being the first IBM, but I might be wrong. > >The IBM PC (model 5150, IIRC was the first PC...you can tell that one from >the TX sinc the PC had a small funny keyboard (very small, oddly placed >"Enter" key), 5 slots (the XT had 8) and a Cassette plug next to the >keyboard one. Also, the case said "IBM Personal Computer" instead of "IBM >Personal Computer XT". The motherboard was redesigned in the XT (the PC, >for >example, had 2 banks of DIP switches on the motherboard, instead of one). >The XT counted out memory when it booted up, the PC just gave you a >flashing >cursor to stare at. > >Actually, the IBM 5100 was the first desktop computer. It had 8" drives, a >dedicated printer and all that...it bombed, and IBM didn't try again until >the PC. > >>Lessee...I have several Commodores, a couple of VIC-20's (one in original >>box with original packaging, used once.), a couple of Apples... two or >three >>PC's and an XT (I think). It would be better to send *anything* but the >>IBM's, because everything else is plastic-cased, and therefore lighter. >>Still, you're the customer! > I'm new at collecting classics. What is a VIC-20? The VIC-20 was Commodore's first computer...2K of RAM (I think), did sounds and color TV screen stuff. >And what model of >Comodore, Commodore 64 and Apple? Apple II C (I think). I have a TV screen, I even have one in the guest >bedroom that's used once in a blue moon. Didn't the older Apples up to the >IIGS have attached monitors? I don't think so. I'm no Apple expert, though. thedm(a)sunflower.com says he knows Apples and can answer questions. Chuck Cokendale ccdale(a)dcache.net knows Commodores. (I remember a few Macs that had one later >than that...) >>The Post Office tells me that 44 lbs will cost $89 US to send to you. If >you >>have a TV screen, you can save on the cost of shipping a monitor for an >>Apple/Commodore/anything else. (The IBM will work a TV screen with the >right >>card, but colors are funny).

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VIC-20 (Was: Re: Sorry, I need to get this to PG Manney, there was)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Thanks. I need a good BASIC machine. (This new C++ 5.0 suff's really complicated....) Ciao, Tim D. Hotze ---------- From: Scott Walde <scott(a)saskatoon.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: VIC-20 (Was: Re: Sorry, I need to get this to PG Manney, there was) Date: Sunday, November 02, 1997 5:31 PM On Sat, 1 Nov 1997, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >> I'm new at collecting classics. What is a VIC-20? > > > >The VIC-20 was Commodore's first computer...2K of RAM (I think), did sounds > >and color TV screen stuff. The VIC-20 had 5.5k of RAM (3583 Bytes Free for BASIC) and could be expanded with three banks of 8k for a whopping 27.5k of BASIC RAM. > Actually it's far from thier first. There was several models of the PET, > and another earlier one whose name escapes me (KIT?). KIM-1 ttfn srw

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Kaypro 2 vs. Kaypro II

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 06:41 AM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >disks. Possibly the drives just need cleaning, though. I just wish I had >a cleaning kit for 5.25" drives (ugh!). I think it's already been >mentioned where those are available. I picked up a kit with both a 5.25 & 3.5 cleaning disk at CompUSA for like $2. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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8-bit Atari's

by thedm＠sunflower.com

The Power supply is 9v just like the 1050 drives, 850 drives and 810 drives. all the exact same powersupply. If you need the amps let me know, it's not much ---------- > From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: 8-bit Atari's > Date: Saturday, November 01, 1997 9:44 PM > > I had a good day scrounging the junk stores, first chance I've had in about > two months to do any serious looking. Among the things I came up with > today were an Atari 400 and a Atari 800. No Power Supply for either > though, but then I'm used to that problem. The question is, what on earth > does it use for a PS? Can I just break out the old Atari 2600 and use it's > PS? > > On a positive note I finally found a Power Supply for an Apple ][c, yahoo > one less power supply needed! Also was finally able to replace the Vic-20 > I gave away about 7 years ago, got a bunch of cartridges for various > systems, a very nice TI-99/4A, and a Laser 1200. All in all a good day. > > Zane > > > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | > | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | > | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > | and the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | > | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | >

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Sorry, I need to get this to PG Manney, there was

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hello, I've found a sure home to the C64 (if it's in working conidtion), he wants to know how much you want for it (it's my friend who'll take it, I'm definately taking the VIC-20). Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

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8-bit Atari's

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

I had a good day scrounging the junk stores, first chance I've had in about two months to do any serious looking. Among the things I came up with today were an Atari 400 and a Atari 800. No Power Supply for either though, but then I'm used to that problem. The question is, what on earth does it use for a PS? Can I just break out the old Atari 2600 and use it's PS? On a positive note I finally found a Power Supply for an Apple ][c, yahoo one less power supply needed! Also was finally able to replace the Vic-20 I gave away about 7 years ago, got a bunch of cartridges for various systems, a very nice TI-99/4A, and a Laser 1200. All in all a good day. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Fido lives!

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Well, that's okay if you needed to be wordy. It looks like the same story again: Intel stopped the Pentium at 200 Mhz, then AMD made a 233 Mhz chip, which benchmaked the same as the Pentium II at the same megahertz. Then this time, Intel went back and made THEIR 233Mhz chip, but it didn't even benchmark as high as the AMD 200 MHz. AMD's soupossed to be making a 266Mhz Socket 7 CPU, so that would combat most Pentium IIs, but not the 300Mhz. Still, 300Mhz benchmarks are only slightly higher than 266 as of the slow speed of componets. Well on the Compaq memory board, I would check with memory suppliers, not Compaq themselves. I'm using a Compaq, and when I go up to tech support, they say that they will have a "processing fee". Compaq ususally uses non-standard memory on their motherboards, for some strange reason. The Presario CDS 633 has a nice motherboard, as everything EVERYTHING is built in. 4 MB RAM, Video card, 2 IDE slots, 1 SCSI slot, parallel port, 2 serial ports, game port, everything except the componets and the sound card. But the memory is non-conventional for 30-pin SIMMS. Compaq claims that they're better, even though they STILL run at 70ns. The only added feature is that there are 16 MB chips avaible for them, not just the 4MB as with most 30-pin RAM. Hope that this helps, Tim D. Hotze ---------- From: jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Fido lives! Date: Sunday, November 02, 1997 12:05 AM Allison wrote: Note, Sorry for so wordy.. No idea where to be tense fearing leaving too much info out. augh! > From: "Hotze" <photze(a)batelco.com.bh> > > <Good to hear that. If I do get a computer, it will have an AMD processor. > <If memory serves, Intel cut off the 386 at 20 mhz. Ah, dropping into lecture mode... In that time when you knew about it, 33mhz was "THE top of the line" and digs up lot of $ from your moth-eaten pockets so you did not hear much about it but also some people knows about 33mhz but $$$ and Amd was busily cloning the 386 and was successful. Intel responded with massive cutting then short time later killed the 386 and made people buy up all those 486dx and 486sx. That leaves Amd's market to keep selling those 386 because they're still powerful enough and and they're dirt cheap at that point. 386 is a must in that past when running that dreadful and still is, windoze stuff. I had the uncached 386dx 25 (yuk) in '91, then had cached Am386dx 40 1 year later. Finally had my hands on that famed Am486-40 in '94 at aching $350 because of Intel's cost. Longest span since that until early '96 got the P word 100 also is breaking my record of owning that longest second to my 386sx laptop (still have it 4 years). Sorry to say, and now look what Intel is trying to dig Pentiums into dirt again while all kinds of 386 even gasp (!) 286 owners upgrading to P5 not PPro or P5II because they're priced RIGHT. Even highest end with 64mb ram option, 4gb, 200(h)mmx, and everything else barely breaks 2k CDN range and that includes monitor and Asus mobo, few s/w. Average upgrade cost is between 300 to 500. At a bare minimum intel went to 33mhz, I know as I have both the DX and > SX versions. Yes, it is true that Intel officically says so to protect that now famed low end part of 486 from being passed on in those oh old days...sensiable Intel indeed. But little known CPU set (yup it's a set!) is RapidCad and it's from Intel officially rated 33mhz but works well at 40mhz. What so, I have this set as well and what I know is pays to put the heatsink on that RapidCad 1 chip and leave the smaller one called RapidCad 2 bare. Large snip! Troll (this is my nickname of Jason D.) PS when I had problems I had to call to have RapidCad set replaced, their tech support gave me a BIG runround before they get me to correct dept to process properly. Not very easy and not fun especially when one is deaf like I am. The automated system speaks fast, relay operators that I work with could'nt keep up and get stuffed into "musical holds for live personnels" YUK! As a techie guy, I seen this often when calling for components ordering or assistance. But Web is very good "USUALLY"! And I still Kick Compaq for not releasing their much needed info I need even I offered to sign nda form! Any suggestions byond this? Info I need for those compaq SLT 386s/20 memory board module pinout and couple of resistors (smoked and no twin unit to refer to) in that SLT model no 2687 PS brick.

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Commodore's First was a VIC-20???

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

>From: "PG Manney" <manney(a)nwohio.com> >Subject: Re: Sorry, I need to get this to PG Manney, there was [snip!] >>> I'm new at collecting classics. What is a VIC-20? The VIC-20 was Commodore's first computer...2K of RAM (I think), did sounds and color TV screen stuff. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the VIC-20 is pretty far down the line in computers from Commodore it debuted as the last model of the PET/CBM line came into being, the SuperPET. VIC-20 has 5k of RAM which about 3.5k is available for BASIC programs (the rest is for operating registers, video memory, etc.) [snip!] > and Apple? >Apple II C (I think). >> I have a TV screen, I even have one in the guest >>bedroom that's used once in a blue moon. Didn't the older Apples up to the >>IIGS have attached monitors? >I don't think so. I'm no Apple expert, though. I am not an expert but there were RF modualtors (the thing you use to connect a computer to a TV) for the Apple, from my historical research Apple could not get FCC certification for an RF adapter for the ][s so they did not sell any but routed customers to their supplier. I think the product name was SupRMod or SupRMod ][ or something like that... In general if it has a composite video output, you proabably can find an RF modualtor for it. :D >thedm(a)sunflower.com Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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MSCP bootstrap

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I need the MSCP bootstrap which can be loaded directly into RAM. (The one on sunsite needs RT11) Anyone got one?

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System/74

by Zeus334＠aol.com

Does anyone have any info on the IBM System/74? I can't really get much access to it because it's gathering dust in a supply room. Also, I have a bunch of data tapes for reel to reel recorders. They are labelled: ADES v.4.0 1600bpi Bad Tape Nova Eclipse ADES 3.0 1600 bpi (labelled bad) 1/4 micro linewidth control patterns, Bell Labs; RDOS dumps of 1/4 micro patterns Tape 0008 Pattern file 2 (A) Tape 0009 Pattern file 3 3/14/91 Tape 0010 Pattern file 4(C-I) Tape 0012 Pattern file 6(L-R) ADES TAPE Advanced Diagnostic Executive System 800 bpi Rev.3.0 7/16/86 5130 Cuchiving Disk (a large list of nonsense follows) 4/1/86 800 bpi DAYDUMP A (I) DAYDUMP A (II) FORTH.FL C-NOVA CONTROLLER Rev. F Any idea what this stuff is, and for what machine(s)?

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IRC server, probably just for old computers...

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I just put up an ircd, and chances are it's going to be unused, so make a #classiccmp channel or something on it. bsdserver.tek-star.net 6667 I'll probably be on as ds80 Just something to keep it from going idle.

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Fido lives!

by engine＠chac.org

At 17:30 11/1/97 +0300, you wrote: >Good to hear that. If I do get a computer, it will have an AMD processor. >If memory serves, Intel cut off the 386 at 20 mhz. Nah. Intel 16, 20, 25, 33, and AMD 40. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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Fido lives!

by allisonp＠world.std.com

From: "Hotze" <photze(a)batelco.com.bh> <Good to hear that. If I do get a computer, it will have an AMD processor. <If memory serves, Intel cut off the 386 at 20 mhz. At a bare minimum intel went to 33mhz, I know as I have both the DX and SX versions. <Do you know where I can get any of this software? Also, I need to know <how to rig it up so that I can get nultiple connections over one phone lin <(my computer has one dedicated line already), also, if I can use one modem <(say a 33,600) to divide up to several 4800 connections. What your referring to is making one physical circuit look like multiple virtual circuits, aka networking. For PCs and minicomputers that is possible between each other but, not as a computer to phone line interface(caveats exist). For phone modems sharing it between phone lines is not an option. For BBSing you need one modem and one phone line for every user you wish to have on line at the same time. The modems do not have to be the same speed and even slow ones can eb useful. Allison

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Computer collecting humor.

by kstumpf＠unusual.on.ca

How many computer collectors does it take to change a light bulb? Forty. One to change the light bulb and thirty-nine to chat about how good the old one was. Yours in good faith. Kevin Stumpf Remember, mainframes used to be really big. +1.519.744.2900 (EST/EDT GMT-5)

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Sorry, I need to get this to PG Manney, there was

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Okay, I'll get you the motherboard ASAP, and computers DON'T make mistakes; programmers do. >Glad to take it! I'll ship the 486/33 processor to you, but if it is alright, can I have a slightly higher discount on shiping on which ever computer I end up taking? I don't know how much the 486/66 processor w/board w/16 MB RAM is worth, you could tell me, and then whatever you think the 486/33 is worth. But remember, the 33 is a SX, so it has no math processor. The 66 is a DX2. >The VIC-20 was Commodore's first computer...2K of RAM (I think), did sounds >and color TV screen stuff. >Commodore 64 >Apple II C (I think). Well, I'm not sure which I'll take, but I don't really need the Apple II C, maybe the Commodore 64, or the VIC 20. I have a TV screen, I even have one in the guest >bedroom that's used once in a blue moon. Didn't the older Apples up to the >IIGS have attached monitors? >>The Post Office tells me that 44 lbs will cost $89 US to send to you. If >you >>have a TV screen, you can save on the cost of shipping a monitor for an >>Apple/Commodore/anything else. (The IBM will work a TV screen with the >right >>card, but colors are funny). How much does the Commodore 64 or the VIC-20 weigh? (That might make a difference in what I chose.), but it'll probably be the VIC 20. I have a friend who might buy the C64 from you. In your next e-mail, tell me how much you would sell the C64 for, so I can tell him. Thanks again, Tim D. Hotze

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Fido lives!

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Good to hear that. If I do get a computer, it will have an AMD processor. If memory serves, Intel cut off the 386 at 20 mhz. Do you know where I can get any of this software? Also, I need to know how to rig it up so that I can get nultiple connections over one phone line (my computer has one dedicated line already), also, if I can use one modem (say a 33,600) to divide up to several 4800 connections. Thanks, Tim D. Hotze ---------- From: Bruce Lane <kyrrin2(a)wizards.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Fido lives! Date: Saturday, November 01, 1997 11:30 AM At least, it lives as far as I can tell. ;-) If Tom Jennings did indeed 'pull the plug,' I've seen no indication of it whatsoever at my end. If anything, traffic on the echos I carry is higher than normal. To answer an earlier question about hardware; my DOS-based BBS has been running very happily, since 1990, on a 386DX-40 (AMD processor, of course!) and 8 MB RAM. I use RemoteAccess 2.01 for the base BBS package, Portal of Power 0.62 for the front-end mailer, and FastEcho for the mail processor. Scott Samet's XLAXNODE handles my weekly nodelist compilation. The system has been extremely trouble-free, and has been pretty much self-maintaining since 1994. The only things I need to do with it are to pick up my mail every week and check for new users every so often. As long as I continue to see a NODEDIFF each week, and as long as I continue to pay dues to my local group for echo traffic, I will assume that FidoNet still lives. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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My Recent find

by ejames＠newwave.net

Hi To Everyone on the list I have been following this list for a couple of months now and here is a Short list of my finds so far. Commodore 128 1902 moniter 2 1571 drives and Okidate Plug N Print 10. Texas Instruments tI994a with Biege plastic Cover and tape Deck Color Computer 2 with cassette deck Atari 800 and Tape deck and my latest find a Amiga 1000 with 1080 moniter and 512k memory anyone have more information on expansion of this computer?? Bruce James ejames(a)newwave.net

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Fido lives!

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

At least, it lives as far as I can tell. ;-) If Tom Jennings did indeed 'pull the plug,' I've seen no indication of it whatsoever at my end. If anything, traffic on the echos I carry is higher than normal. To answer an earlier question about hardware; my DOS-based BBS has been running very happily, since 1990, on a 386DX-40 (AMD processor, of course!) and 8 MB RAM. I use RemoteAccess 2.01 for the base BBS package, Portal of Power 0.62 for the front-end mailer, and FastEcho for the mail processor. Scott Samet's XLAXNODE handles my weekly nodelist compilation. The system has been extremely trouble-free, and has been pretty much self-maintaining since 1994. The only things I need to do with it are to pick up my mail every week and check for new users every so often. As long as I continue to see a NODEDIFF each week, and as long as I continue to pay dues to my local group for echo traffic, I will assume that FidoNet still lives. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Corvus Concept

by kevan＠heydon.org

Hi, Last night I acquired a Corvus Concept CPU box and hard disk unit. Does anybody have any information about these? More specifically I am missing the monitor and keyboard and have no documentation on the specifications of these. They are both 9pin D connectors and that is all I know. -- Kevan Old Computer Collector: http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/

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Corvus Concept

by fmc＠reanimators.org

kevan(a)heydon.org wrote: > Last night I acquired a Corvus Concept CPU box and hard disk unit. Does > anybody have any information about these? More specifically I am > missing the monitor and keyboard and have no documentation on the > specifications of these. They are both 9pin D connectors and that is > all I know. Well, I am sitting here looking at a little book with title HARDWARE DESCRIPTION THE CORVUS CONCEPT You might think that with a title like that it would have connector pinouts, but, um, not quite. Well, it does have the pinout for the bus slots, which are like Apple ][ slots less DMA support. So what can I find about video? The display area is supposed to be 560 x 720 dots. The monitor used by Corvus was a Ball HD series monitor (so says the manual) in a Corvus-peculiar case (so says me). It looks like all the timing is derived from a 16.364 MHz clock that is generated on the memory board. That gets divided by the "horizontal counter" (74163s at U202 then U203 and U204) to produce a 34.669 KHz clock that is the horizontal scanning frequency. There is also a "vertical counter" (at U301) to produce a 50 Hz or 60 Hz vertical sync clock. "The video shift registers comprise 74S299 U106, U206 and 74ls299 U306..U806 for video data. The data is shifted at 16 MHz in two pairs of registers. The output of one register is fed directly into a 74S157 multiplexer U104 which is switched between two inputs at a 16 MHz rate. The other register feeds a 74S112 flipflop U103 which delays the data by 30 ms and then feeds it to the multiplexer. This makes a data rate of 32 MHz." I'm not much of a hardware guy, but I hope that gives you some clues for board-tracing and monitor selection. Note that the system can run the monitor in either landscape or portrait mode (hence the peculiar case, with slots for the base on two sides). I think you are supposed to tell it how you've got the monitor positioned with the VERT/HORIZ switch on the back. That doesn't change the video timing, it changes how the software draws into the memory. Now what about the keyboard? I gather there is a 6551 UART at U310 that receives keycodes, one for each key-down or key-up. Key-down codes have the most-significant-bit set; key-up codes have it clear but are otherwise identical to key-down codes. ... Some other notes. Jeff Kaneko wrote that the operating system was "Unix-like". I don't know, I haven't seen it run much less try to hack on it, but from reading the manuals I'd say it was more p-System like, except that it runs 68000 code instead of p-Machine code. The hard disk(s) could be hooked up over the Omninet (in which case the disk box was connected to an Omninet-attached disk server box) or via a hard-disk interface that sat in one of the Concept's expansion slots. There were also expansion cards to control 8" and 5.25" diskette drives. I'm not sure exactly how the VCR-backup stuff works. From reading another manual (the Disk Drive Installation Guide) it looks like there is an option for the disk to have a "Mirror" built-in. There are four DIP switches on the back that need to be set different ways for different circumstances: no Mirror built in => all closed Mirror built in, NTSC VCR => all open Mirror built in, PAL/SECAM VCR => 1 closed, 2-4 open ... Well, I hope that helps a bit. Yes, I have one of these. No, I haven't done anything with it as yet, save haul the CPU, monitor, and keyboard up to VCF for folks to gawk at. -Frank McConnell

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BBS Box

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

---------- From: Brett <danjo(a)xnet.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: BBS Box Date: Saturday, November 01, 1997 4:35 AM On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, Hotze wrote: Huh? I hope you mean text based versus graphics here 8-) Anything will be fine, but I want as much graphics cabilities as possible. > I'm really ready to learn, but at > this time of writing, I only have the 486/66, and an 080880/8Mhz, which > dosn't work. I really just want to make something for my friends and I to > meet on... here, Internet is still expensive, and most people refust to > upgrade to anything past Netscape 2.0. I need really to know about > multiple phone/modems. The phone isn't a problem, the modem is. How much > do the 4800's run for? I've already got two modems, one a 2400 sendf/9600 > recieve, and another a 33.6 both ways. I really need to know what to do, > the whole smackum, as I'm very "computer literate", in DOS and Windows, but > rather inexperianced with this kind of stuff. > Ciao, > > Tim D. Hotze >Tim - go right for Linux! Don't even think of FIDO - well think about it >8-) I only have a 28.8 connection, and I don't know where I can get an inexpensive Linux OS. Maybe you can help me. OR CAN ANYONE ELSE HERE HELP ME? >If you get UUCP support, you can acutally become a local provider. If your >buddies want web pages and a shell account to play with Linux is your best >bet. You can - with UUCP - even allow Internet EMail - and even even >access other systems if you set up your system correctly. You can send and >recieve email and files - oh say 4-8 times a day - more frequently if you >want and all of them will transfer in one shot so it is *like* FIDOnet. Can you help me with that? Explain more. That's very interesting. >I run Linux 2.0.28/9 on two machines - one is my dedicated comms server >with diald to make the connection and it has a HTTP server with EMail. >We only connect with one modem and everybody uses the same connection at >the same time. Yeah, but here, a dedicated connection costs about $10,000 a month. I don't even want to think of that. Possibly I could just connect then disconnect really quickly. >Get whatever modems you want to use - a multiple port serial card will >let you run as many modems as you can afford 8-) 16-32 way too many >phones lines to afford! DO NOT use internals - even with M$ stuff! Okay, no internals. But don't worry about the phone lines. 1: it's only 5, and 2. I can get them free. >FIDO net was set up to allow home computers to run like UUCP machines >(when they were the *rage*) so why not use the real thing? Why not? But I want to do this on my home computer :-) Just my $0.48 worth 8-) BC

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BBS Box

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Well, I really want to just have about 5 connections. I don't want to be using the machine for my own purposes, but rather to "join in" on the BBS itself. I think that a 4800 connection would be good... about twice as fast as a 28800 internet connection. I'm really ready to learn, but at this time of writing, I only have the 486/66, and an 080880/8Mhz, which dosn't work. I really just want to make something for my friends and I to meet on... here, Internet is still expensive, and most people refust to upgrade to anything past Netscape 2.0. I need really to know about multiple phone/modems. The phone isn't a problem, the modem is. How much do the 4800's run for? I've already got two modems, one a 2400 sendf/9600 recieve, and another a 33.6 both ways. I really need to know what to do, the whole smackum, as I'm very "computer literate", in DOS and Windows, but rather inexperianced with this kind of stuff. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze ---------- From: Roger Merchberger <zmerch(a)northernway.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: BBS Box Date: Friday, October 31, 1997 6:46 PM Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Hotze said: > Oh, yeah, I have one more question. If I want to make a BBS (regardless >or software), what type of hardware should I have to handle multiple >connections? I believe that my computer is BBS-server-sufficent for DOS (2 >GB HDD, 28 MB RAM, 486/66 processor), as that's twice as fast as a server >would be in 1990, with DOS at it's peak, before Windows started ruining the >whole thing :-) . How many multiple connections? What kind of speed per connection? Do you also want to use the machine for yourself at the same time? These do make a difference, for you could run 2 connections at 2400 baud on a 2Mhz CoCo 3 w/512K RAM. All you need is a way to interface the ports (or build your own.) Under OS-9, you may even have enough CPU over to play Rogue (tho not quickly). With a 6309 processor and NitrOS-9, you could most easily do this setup and still use the machine for yourself. (And yes, someone *has* designed an overclocking circuit to run a 6x09 at 4Mhz, except during memory accesses which does gain you a fair amount of speed... ;-) In the IBM world, I'd say for 4 dial up lines at 9600/14.4 you'd need a minimum of a 386DX 25 w/8 Megs RAM, running Dos/Linux (Windows not spoken here... too much overhead) and decent BBS software and you'd have no problem whatsoever. (Again, with Linux, you may still be able to use the machine for background tasks for yourself without harming that speed... but not big jobs, of course.) Anyway, YMMV, HTH, HSIYE (Here's Spit In Your Eye... ;-) and all that jazz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger Merchberger | Why does Hershey's put nutritional Programmer, NorthernWay | information on their candy bar wrappers zmerch(a)northernway.net | when there's no nutritional value within?

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DL11 cables

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

here we go again... With the DLV11-J cable, RCV- and GND have to be crossed. Is there any such crossing required with the DL11-W? I can see output from the PDP, but I can't talk back to it.

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PDP-11/44 in NYC area: Needs Rescue!

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Hi, folks, Those in the New York area, heads up! Found this on Usenet... <NOTE TO BOB SCHOR: I've forwarded your post to a mailing list of folk who specialize in keeping the old systems alive. If anyone's interested, they'll respond to you directly>. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- Path: Supernews70!Supernews60!supernews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!pitt.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!news From: Bob Schor <bschor(a)vms.cis.pitt.edu> Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11 Subject: 11/44 Available in NYC Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:11:27 -0400 Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3440B05F.E136987D(a)vms.cis.pitt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ehdup-b1-1.rmt.net.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: Supernews70 vmsnet.pdp-11:8571 I have just turned off a PDP-11/44 which has been pretty much continuously running since the early 1980's (I'm not sure when we got it >from DEC). It is available to anyone who wants it, but you better act fast, as others are itching to get the room it is in (and will probably consign it to the dumpster). There are also two RK06 drives, but we haven't been using them for perhaps a decade (using a Winchester disk on a Dilog MSCP controller). There are also two DZ boards on this system, plus documentation (again, act quickly!). Give me a call or send e-mail ASAP. This machine is located at Rockefeller University in New York City. You would need to Come and Get It ... Bob Schor University of Pittsburgh (412) 647-2116 bschor(a)vms.cis.pitt.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL SUBJECT TO $500.00 PROOFREADING FEE PER ITEM SENT. SENDING ME SUCH UNSOLICITED ITEMS CONSTITUTES UNDERSTANDING AND ACCEPTANCE OF THESE TERMS. Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://www.wizards.net/technoid -- kyrrin2-At-Wizards-Dot-Net "...Spam is bad. Spam wastes resources. Spam is theft of service. Don't spam, period..."

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Sorry....

by engine＠chac.org

>I have an old IDE drive, it's a Segate 41 MB. It says ST-251, then on a >seperate sticker it says -1 right next to the first one. Serial number is >25534738. It's the large kind, like they had back in the early 80's. An ST-251-1 isn't an IDE. It's a 40MB half-height 5.25 MFM drive. It'll run at 1 to 1 (also known as "no") interleave if you can find a fast enough controller; try an Everex EV-332 with fairly late ROMs.

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Sorry....

by manney＠nwohio.com

>>I have an old IDE drive, it's a Segate 41 MB. It says ST-251, then on a >>seperate sticker it says -1 right next to the first one. Serial number is >>25534738. It's the large kind, like they had back in the early 80's. > > >An ST-251-1 isn't an IDE. It's a 40MB half-height 5.25 MFM drive. It'll >run at 1 to 1 (also known as "no") interleave if you can find a fast enough >controller; try an Everex EV-332 with fairly late ROMs. Um -- very tiny point. The interface is ST-506/412. The _encoding_ is MFM. Plenty of 5 1/4" form factor drives (such as the ST-238) used RLL encoding, but the same physical interface...i.e. ST-506/412. You can tell an IDE because it has one 40-pin cable...the ST-506/412 interface required 2 cables...a 20-pin and a 34 pin. ESDI's (rare) took 2 cables (20 & 34) also. manney(a)nwohio.com

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'Naked Mini' docs needed

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Just picked up a Computer Automation "Naked Mini" computer (PC board actually), and now need to find some docs on it. I can make a few assumptions based on examining the board, but there a number of option jumpers, connectors, and card edge (finger) connectors on it, and I'd just as rather not blow the poor thing up by experimenting on it. So, does anyone have either a spare copy of the docs, or can be convinced to run a set thru your favourite mode of duplication? -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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new addition: atari portfolio

by sinasohn＠crl.com

> while searching around town for a mac II video card, i came across this > little machine for $10 at a computer parts store! not long ago, some idiot That's a great price for a portfolio. (Even without all the the expansion stuff.) The portfolio was one of the first handheld computers, and is (afaik) either the first or second handheld PC Compatible. (The other contender is the Poquet PC -- I've never seen a definitive answer as to which was first.) If you want to get rid of it, I'd gladly double your money! 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Mark Smith's Atari pages

by engine＠chac.org

At 09:51 10/31/97 -0000, you wrote: >The link that you have followed points to a document that does not exist. >Please contact the author(s) of the referer document to ask them to >remove/correct the pointer. > >Is the page gone or is the URL wrong? Neither, I just got to it myself. It's at Manchester. Try http://www.mcc.ac.uk/~dlms/atari.html __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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new addition: atari portfolio

by engine＠chac.org

At 04:11 10/31/97 +0000, you wrote: >> while searching around town for a mac II video card, i came across this >> little machine for $10 at a computer parts store! not long ago, some idiot >> was trying to sell something similar for $100.... A: You were real lucky to get one for $10. B: re "idiot," I bought a Pofo with a cool leather case, two RAM cards and full docs from a Stanford student for $75, two years ago, and recognized it then as a bargain. Today in the Valley a working Portfolio, with case and set of goodies, is $150 to $200. (For most of its life the bare machine sold for $295 new.) __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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Fido is far from dead!

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Okay, let's all try to search for this Tim Jennings and try to encourage him to either re-connect or make a new version of Fido. There are enough of us with enough experiance to encourage him. Imagine! Having a living legend with us!!! I believe that BBSs in a HTML or Java-ized form still have a chance yet. They're 1. fast 2. cheap 3. You can use them for a multitude of services-like you could have 1 server, give it a cheap (sort of) 56K or ISDN connection, and then all users would have internet access. At least we could try to get patent rights if he'd let us. (Which he probably would, as he's not doing to much with it now!), and establish ourselves as a hisoric society (What else could you call us?), and make a few BBSs just to be a part of history. Oh, yeah, I have one more question. If I want to make a BBS (regardless or software), what type of hardware should I have to handle multiple connections? I believe that my computer is BBS-server-sufficent for DOS (2 GB HDD, 28 MB RAM, 486/66 processor), as that's twice as fast as a server would be in 1990, with DOS at it's peak, before Windows started ruining the whole thing :-) . Ciao, Tim D. Hotze ---------- From: Lawrence Walker <lwalker(a)mail.interlog.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Fido is far from dead! Date: Friday, October 31, 1997 7:11 AM > At 07:38 AM 10/29/97 -0800, you wrote: > >>Check around on the web for Fido software. Back in the days before the > >>Internet, FidoNet was a world-wide network of independant BBS's. > > > > Fido is far from dead. In fact, some sysops have claimed an increase in > > Whups! I did not mean to imply at all that Fido was dead. Only that I was > communicating with people around the world long before most of us heard > about the Internet. I think Fido is great and I'm glad to hear it is still > going strong. > Btw, is Tom(?) Jennings (is that his name? the author of Fido) still around > in the Fido world? I met him once -- a true genius, and definitely deserves > greater acclaim than he has received. > Maybe someone more knowledgeable could fill us in, but based on scuttlebut I read in some FIDO confs. he recently pulled the plug on FIDO, since he holds the patent, and many N.A. nodes have folded their tents and the remaining ones are operating illegally, causing a drop-off in traffic. Outside N.A. AFAIK , it's going strong. Perhaps Bruce Lane could set me straight on this if you will. ciao larry lwalkerN0spaM(a)interlog.com

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UK Based CPM machine collectors...

by kevan＠heydon.org

Hi, Are there any collectors in the UK that specialize in CPM machines. Last night I acquired a Philips PC2000 portable (along with the Corvis Concept) and while it is a nice machine (and has lots of documentation including service manuals) I don't have a great affinity to CPM machines because I have never used them out side of collecting them. (and I am trying to limit my collection to home micros, workstations and strange one off machines.) If you would be interested in this machine, and maybe some others I have then email me. -- Kevan Old Computer Collector: http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/

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new addition: atari portfolio

by pjoules＠enterprise.net

Lawrence Walker said: >Check out the Portfolio home page at > http://www.mcc.ac.uk/~dlms/Port/portfolio.html www.mcc.ac.uk says: >The link that you have followed points to a document that does not exist. Please >contact the author(s) of the referer document to ask them to remove/correct the >pointer. Is the page gone or is the URL wrong? Regards Pete #include <std_disclaimer>

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Please subscribe me to the classic computing email list

by RWood54741＠worldnet.att.net

Thanks, Bob Wood

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resubscribe?

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Ok, I've had my sulk, can I resubscribe? -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com -- "...It tells me that goose stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them." -Dr. Henry Jones Sr. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

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Space problems in the UK and US

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 10:30 AM 10/28/97 +0000, you wrote: >Can anybody recommend a good universal monitor that can be used with a >large number of home micros? For many of the 8-bit micros that use a Composite(?) input (Commie, Atari, I think Coco's, etc.) the Commodore 1702 (And I think 1802?) monitors were fantastic. They also had the advantage of having standard video/audio RCA inputs on the front, so they can double as a Telly. All you need to do is hook it up to a VCR or maybe even just a cable box. I did this for years, and even once when my dad was in the hospital, brought it in wiht a VCR so he could watch movies. Nice and compact. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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new addition: atari portfolio

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

while searching around town for a mac II video card, i came across this little machine for $10 at a computer parts store! not long ago, some idiot was trying to sell something similar for $100. seems to be psuedo ibm compatible and i got the printer interface in its original box and a quick ref guide for the preloaded apps. mine also came with a 64k mem card with a battery backup. other than a cracked lcd hinge, seems to be pretty neat. if anyone has a source for more info, i'd love to hear about it. another good thing is the the space it takes up is negligable! =D david

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Portable History

by sinasohn＠crl.com

I got to thinking about VCF 2.0 and decided I might like to do a talk about the history of portable computing. But, knowing my track record in regards to such things, I figure I better start researching now in order to be ready for VCF 3.0 or 4.0! So, I'd like to hear from anyone who has a story to tell about the history of portable computers and such, or has any data on what the first portable, first laptop, first handheld, etc. was etc. Also, any interesting portables you have in your collection or know about, please tell me. Basically, if it has to do with portable computing (or even relates to it in some obscure way) I'd like to hear about it. Please e-mail me directly at <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net>. I'll take anything I can get, compile it, and see if I can come up with something. Thanks! P.S., I do collect portable computers (which somehow doesn't explain the Mini's in the basement) so if you have any you want to get rid of... 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Fido is far from dead!

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 07:38 AM 10/29/97 -0800, you wrote: >>Check around on the web for Fido software. Back in the days before the >>Internet, FidoNet was a world-wide network of independant BBS's. > > Fido is far from dead. In fact, some sysops have claimed an increase in Whups! I did not mean to imply at all that Fido was dead. Only that I was communicating with people around the world long before most of us heard about the Internet. I think Fido is great and I'm glad to hear it is still going strong. > I have a wide assortment of BBS software oriented towards DOS-based >systems. My pacakge of choice is RemoteAccess 2.01. If there's someone on Is RemoteAccess a Fido compatible BBS or a terminal pgm? Do you know where to get the Fido software? Btw, is Tom(?) Jennings (is that his name? the author of Fido) still around in the Fido world? I met him once -- a true genius, and definitely deserves greater acclaim than he has received. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

No at both places I'm waiting on their management to make a deal. Will post when I get the call. At 07:14 PM 10/30/97 +0300, you wrote: >Has anything happened since the 25th? I just want to know... because I >just started collecting and really want to grab a few systems. (Can people >who already have one of the systems that I'm interested in let me have >first dibbs?) > Thanks, > > Tim D. Hotze > >---------- >From: Lawrence Walker <lwalker(a)mail.interlog.com> >To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Subject: Re: Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming >Date: Saturday, October 25, 1997 11:18 AM > >> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 -0500 >> Reply-to: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu >> From: "John R. Keys Jr." <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> >> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >> Subject: Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue >coming > >> Thanks to those who e-mailed me to keep the list going, I too like to see >> what others are finding and the price items are going for. This also to >> helps hear about computers and other items that I may have never seen or >> hear of. But first about the rescue - I have located about one half of a >> 20,000 sq ft warehouse FULL of computers, monitors, printers, manuals, >sales >> promo items, old software, system disk. I'm talking C64 to SUN to maybe >> HP3000 types and a couple of stripped down mainframes (not IBM's). I >spent >> the last two Saturdays trying to work out a deal and hope to know this >week >> or next if can start unloading these items for them. I will send out an >> e-mail to all as soon as I get the word. > I, for one, love your listings. Keep on, keep on, keep on. > >ciao larry > >lwalkerN0spaM(a)interlog.com > >

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Commodore 64, Vic 20, Lotsa software each + Pong Game Looking for home.

by houghtom＠metro.net

I have a Commodore 64 and a Vic 20, both operational, and both with lotsa software and goodies. The Vic 20 has an operational tape drive and about 10 cartriges. The 64 has a disk drive, and tons of disks worth of games and programs. They are currently seeking a home at a reasonable price. Know anyone interested? I also have a Pong game, fully operational, somewhere in the recesses of my attic. I know those are going as collector's items now. Where would I go to find a market? Thanks, m

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Spare Discrete Components?

by jrbrady＠mindspring.com

On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:39:31 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa wrote: > >>Ok, how about a 9511A or 9512 math co-processor chip (Intel 8231A or 8232)? >>The Intel web site has info on the 8231A only.... > >Part of the difficulty with many of these parts is that they were >so expensive in the first place, that most designers found some >way of avoiding them. The 9512 that I own, for example, cost over >US$200 when it was purchased as an option with the Compupro >System Support 1. Ouch...$200 in the early 80's was a fair amount of money. I can see why designers would try to avoid utilizing it if at all possible. According to the Intel web site, Rochester Electronics has been licensed to produce many of Intel's older NMOS chips. The news release used the 8231A as an example. I haven't browsed the Rochester site lately, but as of several weeks ago, the chip didn't appear in their inventory. If offered for sale, wonder how much they'll charge? Jason jrbrady(a)mindspring.com Seattle, WA

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Uh, is this a deal? -- yup

by sinasohn＠crl.com

In regards to the Haggle Apple I, If you check out the guy's web page, it sounds like he's open to offers. If I could even imagine myself with $10K without falling over laughing at the absurdity, I'd make him an offer. Unfortunately he says explicitly that an offer of $300 (the most I could hope to raise) would definitely be turned down. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

I want a Sun, a NeXT cube. I would be interested in the componets, but I don't have any working clasics. Only a broken down XT. I'm trying to get it working. Thanks again, Tim D. Hotze ---------- From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming Date: Thursday, October 30, 1997 7:48 PM > Has anything happened since the 25th? I just want to know... because I > just started collecting and really want to grab a few systems. (Can people > who already have one of the systems that I'm interested in let me have > first dibbs?) I forget exactly which systems you're interested in, but I thought I'd use this opportunity to repost my list of Data General hardware that I want to find a good home for. Some of the quantities given below have changed slightly as boxes have found their way to worthy owners, but this is but a small perturbation in the total mass of stuff (around 5000 pounds or so.) Qty Model No Manufacturer Description ----- ----------- ------------- --------------------- 11 6045/6050 DG 10 MB disk drive 2 MK8024-BC-02 Mostek 128K * 21 Bit SC memory board 2 MK8024-AC-03 Mostek 128K * 21 Bit SC memory board 1 T5 12140 R08 DG 256K Memory Board (BBU) 6 T005 12132 R07 DG 32K Memory board (BBU) 5 4063 DG Quad TTY Multiplexer Board 3 DR225S Dataram 512K * 21 Bit SC Memory Board 5 T005 12383 R02 DG 64K * 21 Bit SC Memory Board 1 ? ? ADC PLT LPT board 14 Various DG Basic I/O controller board 3 PA5A1F CDC CDC FSD drive 1 77708010 CDC Lark 9457 disk drive 2 17/27 Spectra Logic Disk & Mag Tape controller 1 17+ Spectra Logic Disk ^ Mag Tape controller 9 T005 03982 R39 DG Disk controller 3 4234 DG Disk controller 3 Spectra 10 Spectra Logic Disk Drive controller 1 ? ? EDS 302 Sync Exp 2 SO#21496 DG Expansion Chassis 1 SO#9578 DG Expansion Chassis 1 T005 10043 R06 DG I/O Bus Repeater model 8315 1 005022462 DG IAC/16 1 T005 21298 R06 DG IAC 2-8 Board 1 4235A DG Intelligent Ethernet Controller 3 D503A CDC Lark Drive Controller 1 77708101 CDC Lark Disk Drive P/S Module 1 5091 Datum Mag tape controller 5 TC120 Western Periphs Mag tape controller 13 T005 6732 R11 DG MCA 4206 Board 1 P5 Keronix Memory Board 2 CE8885 DG MV/7800C Chassis 3 T005 24496 R00 DG MV/7800C CPU board w 4 MB 2 T5 20141 R24/29 DG MV/7800C P/S board 5 T005 13885 R00 DG MMPUI MOD 2 board 2 CE8885 DG MV/7800 C computer chassis 3 T005 24496 R00 DG MV/7800 C Cpu board w/4MB 2 T5 20141 R24 DG MV7800 C P/S Board 7 C8393-H DG Nova 4 Chassis, VNR Unit, Fan module 6 T005 12786 DG Nova 4 CPU board 1 T005 12067 R15 DG Nova 4 CPU board 1 T005 12788 R21 DG Nova 4 CPU board 6 T5 19489 DG Nova 4 P/S board 1 T5 18878 R00 DG Nova 4 P/S board 1 ? ? Nova Cassette I/O 3 ? DG Nova PIO DMA 2 ? DG Nova P/S module 3 T005 3575 R06 DG Programmable Interval Timer 5 8611 DG S130 Computer Chassis 5 T005 3165 DG S130 CPU 1 Board 5 T005 8523 DG S130 CPU 2 Board 6 T005 7181 DG S130 P/S module 6 4243/T005 17346 DG ULM5 Async Mux Controller Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)

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Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Has anything happened since the 25th? I just want to know... because I just started collecting and really want to grab a few systems. (Can people who already have one of the systems that I'm interested in let me have first dibbs?) Thanks, Tim D. Hotze ---------- From: Lawrence Walker <lwalker(a)mail.interlog.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming Date: Saturday, October 25, 1997 11:18 AM > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 -0500 > Reply-to: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > From: "John R. Keys Jr." <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> > To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming > Thanks to those who e-mailed me to keep the list going, I too like to see > what others are finding and the price items are going for. This also to > helps hear about computers and other items that I may have never seen or > hear of. But first about the rescue - I have located about one half of a > 20,000 sq ft warehouse FULL of computers, monitors, printers, manuals, sales > promo items, old software, system disk. I'm talking C64 to SUN to maybe > HP3000 types and a couple of stripped down mainframes (not IBM's). I spent > the last two Saturdays trying to work out a deal and hope to know this week > or next if can start unloading these items for them. I will send out an > e-mail to all as soon as I get the word. I, for one, love your listings. Keep on, keep on, keep on. ciao larry lwalkerN0spaM(a)interlog.com

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Interesting Computer Found...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hello. I was looking for a keyboard for a computer that I'm putting together, when I found an interestnig contraption. I don't know if any of you have seen the new IBM Aptiva S series, but this looks similiar. The keyboard has two 3.5" diskette drives on the top, they're not moveable. They could be DS/DD, or DS/HD, I don't know. The computer looks like it only has 2 parts: The CPU/Keyboard, and the monitor. The keyboard's function keys are small, rectangular, about the size of calculator buttons, and colored yellow with blue writing. I don't know the brand name, I'm trying to aquire it. Is this a classic? What are it's specs? Thanks again, Tim D. Hotze

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Wanted: RD-51

by manney＠nwohio.com

I've got an ST-412...came out of an Epson, I think. manney(a)nwohio.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Manney <Manney> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 1:38 PM Subject: Re: Wanted: RD-51 >> Yes, as odd as is seems I'm looking for a functional RD-51 or equiv. 10mb >> MFM hard drive. (ST-412, etc.) >> >> I'm trying to reload an operating system onto one of my Micro PDP-11 >> systems, and it insists that it will only install to an RD-51 drive. > >You tell us which operating system this is, but most revisions of >RT-11, RSX-11M+, and RSTS/E aren't that picky about MSCP devices. > >> So... if anyone has one lying about that needs a purpose, please drop me a >> note. > >Just about any MFM hard drive can be pressed into service as a RD51 >(as it is *almost* the lowest common denominator in MFM drives, after >you forget about the original ST506). If you've got a larger physical disk, >you just tell the RQDX formatter that you're using to format it as >a smaller logical disk. > >Which RQDX formatter are you using, BTW? > >Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca) >

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VCF

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 01:32 AM 10/27/97 -0800, you wrote: >I attended the Vintage Computer Festival this weekend. I had one hell >of a good time. I enjoyed talking with just about everyone. I didn't I concur wholeheartedly. I didn't get to spend as much time there as I would have liked, and certainly wasn't as prepared as I could have been, and didn't help out anywhere near as much as I should have, but I did have a blast. I picked up a few things (a couple of 8-bit atari Carts, a TRS-80 Model 102 with some sort of really weird modification, a Mac II for Rachel's classroom), didn't sell anything, but did manage to find homes for what I didn't want to bring home. (Tip: If you tell Marvin you're going to throw something in the dumpster, he'll take it even if it means making his wife hold it on her lap on the way home. 8^) (P.S., Hope you guys made it home okay!) I also talked to a couple of people who aren't on the list but want to be, so I'm going to send them the signup address (I shoulda written it down before going.) >I want to thank Sam and everyone who helped out for making the VCF a >reality. I will attend and participate (hopefully more) next year >without hesitation. It was Nerdvana. Likewise! Next year I think I'll fill two tables both days instead of one table one day. It was neat to be able to display some of my collection in public. (Next year I'll get it together and get some of my stuff into the main exhibits.) Sam, you did one hell of a bang-up job. Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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An Idea That Probably Won't Work...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hello everyone. I've been interested in clasics for quite some time, but I just had an idea that will make collecting easier for all of us. It's what I call a "Componet Showcase", where, instead of showing a system, you simply show... say, an 8-bit ISA card, or a old 16 K ram chip. What I mean is a system that's made of a custom board, if possible compatible with as many systems as possible. (I know that Apple figuresd out how to get x86 chips working with their systems.), and also a system, that, in it's own right, may become a classic of it's own. (In about 15 years: They're great systems, but they only made a few dozen, for a computer collecting club) I don't have enough knowledge for something like this, but if any of you could help me, I'm sure that together we can get something done. Here's another possibility for this system: Catalog. So what we'd do is equip it with a modem (a 2400 baud or so should do), made for the sole purpose of checking group e-mails. There would be a catalog that would have a list of systems, monitors, componets, etc. With "links" to these componets. It's just a dream, but with the help of everyone, it can be much more. Bye for now, Tim D. Hotze

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Uh, is this a deal? -- yup

by engine＠chac.org

At 11:38 10/29/97 -0500, you wrote: >Just found this under the "Antique Computer" Listing at Haggle.com.... >someone's got an Apple 1 for sale... opening bid requested: $17,000.00. Matt can say "laugh of the day," but a couple of years ago I did authentication and provenance on one that sold for $12,000, the last one I SAW sell went for $22,000, and there's one for sale in Southern California (with Apple packaging, full paperwork and a signed letter from Jobs,) for $30,000 -- it hasn't gone yet, but it will, probably to Japan. Yes, $17K is (mildly) a deal. AFAIK there are only about eighty of the little dears left, and think of the number of people who want one. To tell the truth, in the last year or so there's begun to be concern about counterfeiting. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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Pong Game looking for home.

by engine＠chac.org

At 15:56 10/30/97 -0800, you wrote: >I also have a Pong game, fully operational, somewhere in the recesses of my >attic. I know those are going as collector's items now. Where would I go >to find a market? You don't by any chance mean a Pong ARCADE game, do you? __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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Fido is far from dead!

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Okay, I don't know where to get any software; remember, I'm out in the middle of nowhere. If someone could send me something, that would be great. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze ---------- From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)crl.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Fido is far from dead! Date: Thursday, October 30, 1997 1:56 AM At 07:38 AM 10/29/97 -0800, you wrote: >>Check around on the web for Fido software. Back in the days before the >>Internet, FidoNet was a world-wide network of independant BBS's. > > Fido is far from dead. In fact, some sysops have claimed an increase in Whups! I did not mean to imply at all that Fido was dead. Only that I was communicating with people around the world long before most of us heard about the Internet. I think Fido is great and I'm glad to hear it is still going strong. > I have a wide assortment of BBS software oriented towards DOS-based >systems. My pacakge of choice is RemoteAccess 2.01. If there's someone on Is RemoteAccess a Fido compatible BBS or a terminal pgm? Do you know where to get the Fido software? Btw, is Tom(?) Jennings (is that his name? the author of Fido) still around in the Fido world? I met him once -- a true genius, and definitely deserves greater acclaim than he has received. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Avatex 2400

by nathan.pryor＠juno.com

Do you still have the Avatex 2400 modem and how much do you want for it I have one of them but I lost the manual and need dipswitch settings Nathan nathan.pryor(a)juno.com

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Wanted: RD-51

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Yes, as odd as is seems I'm looking for a functional RD-51 or equiv. 10mb MFM hard drive. (ST-412, etc.) I'm trying to reload an operating system onto one of my Micro PDP-11 systems, and it insists that it will only install to an RD-51 drive. So... if anyone has one lying about that needs a purpose, please drop me a note. -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Uh, is this a deal? -- yup

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

I can laugh, because as much as I have wanted one, (since they first came out yes) I can safely feel comfortable that I never will. Maybe I get lucky and find an Exidy Sorcerer for less that $5,000. -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: Kip Crosby [SMTP:engine@chac.org] > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 11:26 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Uh, is this a deal? -- yup > > At 11:38 10/29/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Just found this under the "Antique Computer" Listing at > Haggle.com.... > >someone's got an Apple 1 for sale... opening bid requested: > $17,000.00. > > Matt can say "laugh of the day," but a couple of years ago I did > authentication and provenance on one that sold for $12,000, the last > one I > SAW sell went for $22,000, and there's one for sale in Southern > California > (with Apple packaging, full paperwork and a signed letter from Jobs,) > for > $30,000 -- it hasn't gone yet, but it will, probably to Japan. Yes, > $17K > is (mildly) a deal. > > AFAIK there are only about eighty of the little dears left, and think > of > the number of people who want one. To tell the truth, in the last > year or > so there's begun to be concern about counterfeiting. > > __________________________________________ > Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org > http://www.chac.org/index.html > Computer History Association of California >

28 years, 5 months

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Uh, is this a deal? -- yup

by carl.friend＠stoneweb.com

On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:26:01 -0800, the esteemed Mr. Crosby of CHAC spake thusly unto us: > Yes, $17K is (mildly) a deal [for an Apple 1]. > > AFAIK there are only about eighty of the little dears left [...] The entire production run of the LINC-8 totalled 142, of which only a tiny fraction survive to this day. Fewer still are operational. What do you suppose they're worth? No, I'm not trying to sell one. Not on my life. ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum/ | ICBM: N42:21 W71:46 | |________________________________________________|_____________________|

28 years, 5 months

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Spare Discrete Components?

by engine＠chac.org

At 13:21 9/26/97 -0700, you wrote: >Ok, how about a 9511A or 9512 math co-processor chip (Intel 8231A or 8232)? >The Intel web site has info on the 8231A only.... I called a guy who was a logic designer at Intel during the period and who has samples of most of the pertinent Intel chips from, say, the 8048 to current. He has no 8232 and claims never to have seen one or a data sheet for it. It was so lackadaisically marketed by Intel that he suspects it was a cross-license from AMD and that someone at Intel objected to the architecture. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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Uh, is this a deal? -- yup

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Oh really? I've got a friend who is a former Apple employee who gave me one for a LOT less than that: but that was some years back, probably when they were just "old", but still, I've seen them go for about $50 on local classifieds. Sorry this is getting so confusing, Tim D. Hotze ---------- From: Kip Crosby <engine(a)chac.org> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Uh, is this a deal? -- yup Date: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 8:26 PM At 11:38 10/29/97 -0500, you wrote: >Just found this under the "Antique Computer" Listing at Haggle.com.... >someone's got an Apple 1 for sale... opening bid requested: $17,000.00. Matt can say "laugh of the day," but a couple of years ago I did authentication and provenance on one that sold for $12,000, the last one I SAW sell went for $22,000, and there's one for sale in Southern California (with Apple packaging, full paperwork and a signed letter from Jobs,) for $30,000 -- it hasn't gone yet, but it will, probably to Japan. Yes, $17K is (mildly) a deal. AFAIK there are only about eighty of the little dears left, and think of the number of people who want one. To tell the truth, in the last year or so there's begun to be concern about counterfeiting. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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Uh, is this a deal????

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

Thanks for the Laugh of the day... -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Merchberger [SMTP:zmerch@northernway.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 10:39 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Uh, is this a deal???? > > http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?item_id=201433978 > > Just found this under the "Antique Computer" Listing at Haggle.com.... > someone's got an Apple 1 for sale... opening bid requested: > $17,000.00. > > Wonder why no-one's bid on it so far..... > > Have fun, > Roger "Merch" Merchberger > -- > Roger Merchberger | Why does Hershey's put nutritional > Programmer, NorthernWay | information on their candy bar wrappers > zmerch(a)northernway.net | when there's no nutritional value within?

28 years, 5 months

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Uh, is this a deal????

by zmerch＠northernway.net

http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?item_id=201433978 Just found this under the "Antique Computer" Listing at Haggle.com.... someone's got an Apple 1 for sale... opening bid requested: $17,000.00. Wonder why no-one's bid on it so far..... Have fun, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger Merchberger | Why does Hershey's put nutritional Programmer, NorthernWay | information on their candy bar wrappers zmerch(a)northernway.net | when there's no nutritional value within?

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Fido is far from dead!

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Thanks, I'll take it. (photze(a)batelco.com.bh), and I have one more thing: I need to know about server-type software, as well as client. (I live in Bahrain, where there are only 6 digit numbers, and I don't know of any BBSs. That's why I want to start one.) Since writing, I've found a company called Mustang withe some good windows software, 32 bit OS, etc., but I want DOS. (Whoever said DOS is dead is probably dead themselves.) Thanks again, Tim D. Hotze ---------- From: Bruce Lane <kyrrin2(a)wizards.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Fido is far from dead! Date: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 6:38 PM Uncle Roger put forth with this bit of shtuff... >Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:01:20 -0600 (CST) >From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)crl.com> >To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu >Subject: Re: Friday and Saturday Finds >Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19971028195913.5d47fac0(a)mail.crl.com> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:01 PM 10/27/97 +0300, you wrote: >PS- Info on Bulliten Board Services (BBS). Remember, before the WWW caught >on, that's what we'd log onto and post messages, etc. I want to know about >some old BBS software for DOS and earlier versions of Windows, and server >software. (Get what I'm trying to say here?) >Check around on the web for Fido software. Back in the days before the >Internet, FidoNet was a world-wide network of independant BBS's. Fido is far from dead. In fact, some sysops have claimed an increase in their user base since the Internet got rolling. I've been running a Fido BBS since 1989, and I've got no intention of stopping anytime soon. I have a wide assortment of BBS software oriented towards DOS-based systems. My pacakge of choice is RemoteAccess 2.01. If there's someone on the list who needs the software, just say so and I can file-attach the pieces to them in an E-mail message. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

28 years, 5 months

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Fido is far from dead!

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Uncle Roger put forth with this bit of shtuff... >Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:01:20 -0600 (CST) >From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)crl.com> >To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu >Subject: Re: Friday and Saturday Finds >Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19971028195913.5d47fac0(a)mail.crl.com> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:01 PM 10/27/97 +0300, you wrote: >PS- Info on Bulliten Board Services (BBS). Remember, before the WWW caught >on, that's what we'd log onto and post messages, etc. I want to know about >some old BBS software for DOS and earlier versions of Windows, and server >software. (Get what I'm trying to say here?) >Check around on the web for Fido software. Back in the days before the >Internet, FidoNet was a world-wide network of independant BBS's. Fido is far from dead. In fact, some sysops have claimed an increase in their user base since the Internet got rolling. I've been running a Fido BBS since 1989, and I've got no intention of stopping anytime soon. I have a wide assortment of BBS software oriented towards DOS-based systems. My pacakge of choice is RemoteAccess 2.01. If there's someone on the list who needs the software, just say so and I can file-attach the pieces to them in an E-mail message. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

28 years, 5 months

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apple lisa (fwd)

by dastar＠wco.com

I doubt it, but can someone help this poor fool out? Send all replies to sve(a)ecom.be (the requestor). Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:13:01 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Ismail <siconic(a)jasmine.psyber.com> To: Steven Verhoest <sve(a)ecom.be> Cc: dastar(a)wco.com Subject: Re: apple lisa On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, Steven Verhoest wrote: > I'm looking for an apple lisa as a wedding present for my boss. He > marries on friday. > > Expenses are no problem. Hi Steven. Good luck. Lisa's do not just show up in flea markets and thrift stores. You usually have to do a lot of searching for a long time and end up getting really lucky. However, I will forward your message along to a network of collectors I know. The chances of success are slim (most people like to hang onto their Lisa's) but you never know. The thought of many dollar signs may entice someone. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)wco.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

28 years, 6 months

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Friday and Saturday Finds

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 06:01 PM 10/27/97 +0300, you wrote: >PS- Info on Bulliten Board Services (BBS). Remember, before the WWW caught >on, that's what we'd log onto and post messages, etc. I want to know about >some old BBS software for DOS and earlier versions of Windows, and server >software. (Get what I'm trying to say here?) Check around on the web for Fido software. Back in the days before the Internet, FidoNet was a world-wide network of independant BBS's. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Anyone wanna break into a VAX 6000?

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Apparently, someone running a VAX 6000 wants it broken into. If you find the file challenge.txt and mail it so security, you win something. I checked and it IS legit. You can mail system(a)mail.all-net.net for more info. The challenge is open to everyone. I'll give it a shot... The machine's name is carl.all-net.net

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System for Sale

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I was contacted by someone tonight that has a complete C64 system with computer, 2-1541 drives, modem, software, 1902 monitor in box working system. If anyone wants to make him a offer let me know and I will give you his phone number. He may have some manuals also.

28 years, 6 months

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Head Start Explorer

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 03:37 PM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >Is anyone interested in a Head Start Explorer (seems to be an XT with >built-in CGA). Has a dead floppy, no hard drive. Boots up fine on ROM. Is it a portable type or an all-in-one (ala PS/1)? If the former, I'm interested. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

Whoops. Meant to send that to Alan, instead of the list (this MS Outlook is SOO complicated ;-) But, if anyone else wants one, they still have a small pile of them I can go get for $5 (about $11 by the time its shipped). -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Pritchard [SMTP:MPritchard@EnsembleStudios.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 12:25 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: RE: Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition > > I just sent out a bunch of these books; and still have a couple left; > Final costs including box ($0.92) and shipping ($4 to $5) averaged $11 > per book total shipped. Let me know if you are still interested. > > -Matt Pritchard > Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alan Richards [SMTP:alanr@morgan.ucs.mun.ca] > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 1997 11:47 PM > > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > > Subject: Re: Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition > > > > At 04:53 PM 15/10/97 -0500, you wrote: > > >I picked up a copy of this book, as it seems quite handy. It has > > lots > > >of info on older, long since discontinued drives. > > > > > >The local MicroCenter here in Dallas has a giant pile of them for > > >something like $5 each; it says list $49.99 so this may be a > > bargain. > > >If there is any interest, I could pick up a few to send elsewhere. > > > > > > > Hell yes I would be interested, If you could pick one up for me, > > I'll pay > > shipping + cost. Reply if you can can still get them... Thanks in > > advance. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS > > The Man From D.A.D > > ----------------------------------------------------------------

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Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

I just sent out a bunch of these books; and still have a couple left; Final costs including box ($0.92) and shipping ($4 to $5) averaged $11 per book total shipped. Let me know if you are still interested. -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Richards [SMTP:alanr@morgan.ucs.mun.ca] > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 1997 11:47 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition > > At 04:53 PM 15/10/97 -0500, you wrote: > >I picked up a copy of this book, as it seems quite handy. It has > lots > >of info on older, long since discontinued drives. > > > >The local MicroCenter here in Dallas has a giant pile of them for > >something like $5 each; it says list $49.99 so this may be a > bargain. > >If there is any interest, I could pick up a few to send elsewhere. > > > > Hell yes I would be interested, If you could pick one up for me, > I'll pay > shipping + cost. Reply if you can can still get them... Thanks in > advance. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS > The Man From D.A.D > ----------------------------------------------------------------

28 years, 6 months

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"Universal" monitor

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

Uhm, I have a couple of original Multisyncs, and I don't believe they can do anything over 640x480.. -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: John Ruschmeyer [SMTP:jruschme@hiway1.exit109.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 5:05 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: "Universal" monitor > > > Can anybody recommend a good universal monitor that can be used with > a > > large number of home micros? > > My first inclination woulb be to say the old Nec Multisync's, the ones > with the 9-pin cable. They're switchable between digital and analog > RGB, > can handle the range of sync polarities, and can take resolutions up > to > 800x600 or so. Their biggest drawback is the coarse dot pitch of the > old CRT. > > One of those with appropriate cables, though, should cover anything > that > used an RGB monitor, short of a Sun or other workstation. > > <<<John>>> > (who grabbed a Multisync II when he had the chance)

28 years, 6 months

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Space problems in the UK and US

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

I don't know what would be the best, but if you visit http://www.zdnet.com and search for TV Tuner cards, I'm sure that someone at Ziff-Davis has done a survey. Everything that I've used that they recommended I've been extremely happy with. They also have a market place where you can buy things from vendors. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze ---------- From: kevan(a)heydon.org To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Space problems in the UK and US Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 1:30 PM Uncle Roger wrote: > > There are other advantages to this as well. If you're working on several > computers that use the same type of monitor, you don't need to move the > monitor to swap CPU's. Also, it lets you use the monitor-over-CPU set up > for machines that aren't flat boxes (like a C64, atari 800 or SOL-20.) You > can also swing it out of the way if you want to work on the computer. > Can anybody recommend a good universal monitor that can be used with a large number of home micros? Also does anybody use TV tuner cards you can get for PC's? It seems like these could be very useful as they mean you need just one monitor on your desk. Any recommendations for the best cards? -- Kevan Old Computer Collector: http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/

28 years, 6 months

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Surplus TI equipment fro sale

by hans_pufal＠phoenix.com

Just came across this web page <http://www.ti.com/surplus/docs/list.htm> listing surplus TI equipment for sale. The computer section lists just a Convex 3800 of 1991 - not quite a classic. What tickles me is the categories, let's set up our own wafer fab..... Hans B Pufal The following was included as an attachement. Please use UUDECODE to retrieve it. The original file name was 'BEYOND.RTF'.

28 years, 6 months

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Osborne floppy solved

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

Bruce Cook, a local computer wiz, solved my Osborne A to B problem. There is a blue terminator near the right rear of the pc board which must be on the last drive on the ribbon cable. In the case of the Osborne One this is drive A. I tried to talk Bruce into joining our merry crew, but being a Canadian Snowbird he is too busy driving to Florida. Cheers Charlie Fox

28 years, 6 months

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LASER 310 ?? What is this? Help...

by coslor＠pscosf.peru.edu

Greetings: In the past, I've inquired quite a bit here about the old Digital Technologies Laser 50 computer that had the single LCD display, and BASIC in memory. I am still looking for that, so if anyone has one, *please* let me know. Ok, here's the main question: I recently picked up at a thrift store for $5, a Laser Color Computer 310. It is similar to a CoCo, in that it is just the keyboard, a little smaller than a CoCo, no built in display like most of V-tech's simplier computers, and has ports for tape, monitor, peripheral, and tv. It must run BASIC as it has basic keywords above the normal letters. Oh, it has a 1983 copyright on it and is from Video Technologies Ltd. If anyone has some info on this would you please send me some feed-back? Thanks, CORD //*=====================================================================++ || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE || || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 || || Classic computer software and hardware collector || || Autograph collector || ++=====================================================================*//

28 years, 6 months

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Vintage Computer Festival

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

I just wanted to pass along a note about the recent Vintage Computer Festival that Sam Ishmaiel and friends put on this previous weekend. (Oct. 25th & 26th, 1997) IT WAS GREAT! Besides being a wonderful chance to get a personal look at computers you may have only read about or seen in magazines or never knew even existed, there ware many interesting people with their own stories behind the machines on display. All one had to do was hang around a particualr section and it wasn't long before you were in a conversation about that computer or product line. I became aquainted with many facinating individuals from those who have been there since the early days to those who are new to classic computing. A few words of levity between computer camps (you know, Apple, Atari, Commodore, MITS, IMSAI, etc.) but alot of respect for everyone. Some of the people who attended (including myself) had the opportunity to get table space to sell 'extras' in their collection not just only to make a couple bucks and get some more precious storage space (to buy goodies from other tables), but also be safe in the knowledge that your stuff was going to a good place, other collectors. Unfortunately not everybody did as well, some people selling more contemporary hardware were greeted by many looking for classics to start-out or to add to their collection. At least one person commented about the lack of any stuff for S-100 bus systems and I was surprised at the demand for PETs (6 to 8 people inquired me about them) no 2001/8k models here, but one dealer was able to have a few people walk out smiling with a few 4000 series units. As with the rest of the event, the workshops were informative and on-topic as well, with such topics as Early BBS systems, Software Preservation, to the final talk about Processor Technology and the SOL computer (By the SOL creators Lee Felzenstein and Bob Marsh themselves) which included a display and powering up of the first SOL! The festival was all I hoped for and more. :) Sam, you did great, and please don't hesitate to let us know next year what we can do to help you (advertising, display units, doumentation, software, anything!) One of Sam's comments was that by displaying so much of his collection he had the opportunity to re-organize his storage space when he put it back away, sounds like a good way to get more displayers. Lastly, if you took pictures during the event, let Sam know as he talked about making up a web-page display of VCF 1.0 and didn't have the opportunity to take very many himself. Sorry if I am getting to wordy here, but I hope VCF becomes as great as it promises to be and also an example for others who wish to get a vintage computer festival going in their own region. Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

28 years, 6 months

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Great Picture Found

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hello everyone. I know that I keep on talking about the XTs, and they're not even that interesting, it's just that until you guies give me info/leads on another system, I have nothing better to talk about. I've found a great picture of an IBM XT. (Not mine.). It looks really good. White background, it looks like it were taken in 1982. Un-readable monocrome-green writing is on the monitor. Probably from an ad, or something. (Did I mention that this picture can be shared, as it's in the .bmp format?) Because I didn't want to bother all of you with the downloading time of a 6K bitmap, I'll take "requests" if you want the picture. Just give me your e-mail adress and let me know. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 6 months

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TRS-80, etc.

by coslor＠pscosf.peru.edu

Howdy folks: I am writing this to let you know... if you would like to be mailed a very complete listing of TRS-80 hardware and software, just e-mail me with your name and mailing address to coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu. This listing costists of 65 pages and will be sent via 1st Class mail ASAP. If you would like it even quicker, please send $3 to the address below to cover MOST of the shipping charges... you would then be 'prioritized'. I collect all types of TRS-80 hardware and software, and specialize in games in both original diska nd tape format, as well as converted for use with modern PC emulators. I have a HUGE collection and would like to share this with others. I like to think I have 'nearly' every commercially sold game (and hundreds of others) written for the TRS-80 line of computers. I also have most applications and DOSs ... all for the Model 1,3,4 as well as a limited supply of CoCo hardware and software. I also collect for many other classic systems, including but not limited to: MSX, Colour Genie, Apple ][, Apple ][e, Apple ][c, Apple ][+, Commodore 64, C-16, Vic 20, Plus 4, Atari series, Coleco, Sincalire Spectrum, P2000, and Vectrex systems. All I ask for most of the software is to be compensated for my expenses (postage, media, etc.) and have very low prices on most of my hardware as I have accumulated a large inventory over the years and need to clear my shelves. I am also looking for the following items in particular: 1) YOUR classic hardware and/or software. I am always buying and trading for those item. 2) 80-Micro, TRS-80 Microcomputing News, Computer News 80, and 80-US Journal magazines, etc. 3) Original manuals, instruction, and game boxes concerning the TRS-80 4) Atari 800 - Atari Artist cartridge. A800LX - RX8053. Just please remember, I am always buying, selling, and trading for these hard to find items... even for things not on the above list. If you're looking for something or have some things to offer... PLEASE let me know. I simply love the TRS-80 and other classic machines and would appreciate any help you may be able to provide in expanding my collection. I most gladly will help you out in adding to your own classic computer or game machine collection. Finally, I have ALL my original disk, tape, and cartridge software... for all systems, converted to run on their respective PC emulators! Send me your want lists, request for a catalog, or what you have to offer: via e-mail, United States Postal Service, or give me a call... I look forward to hearing from you. Best Wishes, CORD COSLOR //*=====================================================================++ || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE || || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 || || Classic computer software and hardware collector || || Autograph collector || ++=====================================================================*//

28 years, 6 months

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Friday and Saturday Finds

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Can you do me a favor, and when you get the info on the NeXT cubes (I'd kill for one of those.), and a Sun , which I don't know to much about, but I really want to learn. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze PS- Info on Bulliten Board Services (BBS). Remember, before the WWW caught on, that's what we'd log onto and post messages, etc. I want to know about some old BBS software for DOS and earlier versions of Windows, and server software. (Get what I'm trying to say here?) ---------- From: John R. Keys Jr. <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Friday and Saturday Finds Date: Sunday, October 26, 1997 5:31 PM As soon as the call comes in I will be driving down to get the items and will sell or trade all the excess items. Keep computing !! At 05:53 AM 10/26/97 +0300, you wrote: >Do you want to sell these things? Because if so, I'm really interested. >Where I live (In Bahrain, in the Mid-East), everyone has gotten rid of >anything 5+ years old. (But not to many people have anything much newer :) >!) I might have a lead on an Apple I, and other of the older models of >Apples, but that's with a friend in the US, but if I do get some, I'll let >everyone know. I REALLY want a NeXT cube, and a Sun, if you find enough. > Thanks, > > Tim D. Hotze > photze(a)batelco.com.bh > >---------- >From: John R. Keys Jr. <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> >To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Subject: Friday and Saturday Finds >Date: Sunday, October 26, 1997 4:12 AM > >Well the Hamfest is over and I got a few items but missed alot more, too >big >for one person to be get to the tables fast enough. Got some leads on Next >cubes and Sun items for little or no cost, will be talking with them more >next week. If they have enough I will post the information. About a two >hour >drive from me. On to the list >On Friday I found a Zenith luggable ZFA121-52 not tested yet $5 this baby >is >big with the flip up floppy drives on the top, Apple mouse IIe platinum >free, digital tape unit TLZ04-DA $5, 2 Mac Plus M0110A keybroads, a couple >of laser printers and several USR password modems for $10. Today at the >Hamfest I got digital GIGI model VK100-AA with manuals for free, HP model >433SX station $10 no power supply uses the external power brick like the >old >plotters will have get one from storage and test this unit, Commodore >CBM4040 dual drive .80, a Sharp Wizard 64KB for $20 needs new batteries >can't test it yet, a old 256k/64k RAMCHECK tester for $10 this unit is by >Innoventions of Houston need to write and see if the have doc's on this old >unit, and last a few cables and other odds & ends for $1 each. The day was >not as good as hoped as there were several really good bargins that got >away >by seconds. Well hope everyone else also had a good week and Keep >Computing. >John > >

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Possible lead on software....

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hello everyone. I have recenlty meet several people who have just gotten rid of their XTs. (I would have gotten them, but I wasn't in time.) But, however, they have a rather large list of software for the "IBM compatibles" with the 8088 and 80286 (possibly) processors. I'm currently waiting for the complete list, but if you want some software for yours, this may be your chance. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze

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Two Items Needed

by manney＠nwohio.com

Suggestions (since it's _expensive_ to ship even XT's) - Talk to a computer store - Talk to a private school - Watch county sales (I picked up 30 or so for 50 cents US each) - Advertise (my paper lets you do so free) - Talk to your local club - And, of course, hamfests - Goodwill etc (but they only seem to get C64's and TI99's in my area) I don't pay more than $10 for an XT system. Finding software cheap is my biggest headache, especially old diagnostic stuff). After I bought (40) DOS 3.31 for $1 each, I'm in the pink there. >Hello everyone. I'm new here, but am very interested in collecting >computers. I want two things: >1. Information etc. on the Androbot. (Remember, the little robot that >premiered about the same time as the XT?) >2. Any extra classics that you have that you could sell to me. In my >area, it took me 4 months just to track down 1 XT in relatively bad >condition.

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classic computer email list

by RWood54741＠worldnet.att.net

How do I subscribe to the Classic Computer email list? Thanks, BOB

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Friday and Saturday Finds

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Well, everyone, I don't have much to trade! But I will buy. Keep the lugable safe for me! Thanks again, Tim D. Hotze ---------- From: John R. Keys Jr. <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Friday and Saturday Finds Date: Sunday, October 26, 1997 5:31 PM As soon as the call comes in I will be driving down to get the items and will sell or trade all the excess items. Keep computing !! At 05:53 AM 10/26/97 +0300, you wrote: >Do you want to sell these things? Because if so, I'm really interested. >Where I live (In Bahrain, in the Mid-East), everyone has gotten rid of >anything 5+ years old. (But not to many people have anything much newer :) >!) I might have a lead on an Apple I, and other of the older models of >Apples, but that's with a friend in the US, but if I do get some, I'll let >everyone know. I REALLY want a NeXT cube, and a Sun, if you find enough. > Thanks, > > Tim D. Hotze > photze(a)batelco.com.bh > >---------- >From: John R. Keys Jr. <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> >To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Subject: Friday and Saturday Finds >Date: Sunday, October 26, 1997 4:12 AM > >Well the Hamfest is over and I got a few items but missed alot more, too >big >for one person to be get to the tables fast enough. Got some leads on Next >cubes and Sun items for little or no cost, will be talking with them more >next week. If they have enough I will post the information. About a two >hour >drive from me. On to the list >On Friday I found a Zenith luggable ZFA121-52 not tested yet $5 this baby >is >big with the flip up floppy drives on the top, Apple mouse IIe platinum >free, digital tape unit TLZ04-DA $5, 2 Mac Plus M0110A keybroads, a couple >of laser printers and several USR password modems for $10. Today at the >Hamfest I got digital GIGI model VK100-AA with manuals for free, HP model >433SX station $10 no power supply uses the external power brick like the >old >plotters will have get one from storage and test this unit, Commodore >CBM4040 dual drive .80, a Sharp Wizard 64KB for $20 needs new batteries >can't test it yet, a old 256k/64k RAMCHECK tester for $10 this unit is by >Innoventions of Houston need to write and see if the have doc's on this old >unit, and last a few cables and other odds & ends for $1 each. The day was >not as good as hoped as there were several really good bargins that got >away >by seconds. Well hope everyone else also had a good week and Keep >Computing. >John > >

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