> At 10:31 PM 8/24/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>Yeah, I know a number of musicians using STs in preference to more
>>modern PC VESA/PCI sound cards -- there is some program out of
>>Germany (dongle protected) that apparently has yet to be equalled on
>>Wintel platforms.
> Probably Cubase -- which I would be using if a) I had and money, b) I had
> any talent, and c) I had any time. Cubase Audio for the Falcon (68030)
> offered (iirc) 8 or 16 track digital recording straight out of the box.
> Serious digital recording & MIDI for around a grand. (Used Falcon, Cubase,
> and a big hard drive.)
> Also, there are ST clones available from (iirc) Canada and/or Germany with
> fast 68060 processors, tower cases, IDE and SCSI support, true
> multi-tasking, etc. The Medusa, if I recall correctly.
In fact there are 3 major NEW designs ST compatible computers in
Europe: Hades, Medusa and Milan (1 French and 2 German), and several
small size efforts based on refitet Falcon Boards.
The Milan for examlpe, the newest ST successor is available since
3 month. A 68040/33 MHz (060/80MHz within the next 3 Month), up to
512 MB RAM, 4 PCI, 3 ISA slots, 2 IDE ports, etc. Of course GEM
and TOS in ROM (or to be exact FLASH) - The Milan Computersysteme
GmbH ownes now all legal rights for the TOS/GEM ROMs - now in
version 4.5 (an enhanced 3.x like on the Falcon). Eventualy they
licenced the new PCI-BIOS to all other ST compatible manufacturers
virtualy for free. A multitasking OS is also includest
And the best of all: A basic configuration (Milan 040, 1 GB HD,
16 MB RAM, 2 MB Trio V64+ Video, Midi tower, PC-Keyboard, Mouse
and some SW) is just DM 1499,- (including tax) thats something
like USD 750,- (without tax). Incredible cheap - A Mac Performa
630 (040/33Mhz) is used still something like USD 400.
There an enormus power alive in the european ST family.
(oops, again off topic, but I still like ATARI :)
> And, while we're on the subject, anyone get to the World of Atari in Las
> Vegas last weekend?
Any URL for a report _with_ info ?
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>>Give me a break!
>> Plus, I would guess some of the parts they are using are old.
>>I have the feeling cracked seals could once again be the
>>problem."
> Could it be because they don't know how to built a rocket today?
But maybe it's only because they do (and design) today
everything in the ISO 900x way - Documentation is everything,
personal engagment and responsibility is nothing. Just keep
in mind, 900x evolved from several rules inside the military/
supply industry to avoide any responibility for failure
(tecnical/cost).
Gruss
H.
(Sorry, to go off topic so fast, but I belive we need no
mysterious conspiracy to describe the world, we have more
than enough buerocracy and incompetence)
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HRK
However, Linux can do some things on a 386 while NT will barely run.
I would expect that NT may have some bugs that cause, say, divide by
zeros on certain hardware. It's very difficult for Linux to have a
bug last very long. I have never had any problems running Linux but
I stil can't get it to install on some machines because of crappy
distributions. I'll do it manually soon enough...
>
>I wouldn't be so sure. Linux will stress a system far more than
>W3.11/WFWG/W95 will. I've experienced a number of systems that would
quite
>happily run BGP (Bill Gate's Products) that wouldn't reliably run
Linux.
>Typically the problem is memory that is marginal and is quite often
seen as
>compile errors (especially rebuilding kernels).
>
>However, I must admit that I never have problems with stability of
either
>of linux or NT....
>
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>We have some old 486 computers that we don't use anymore. Can you use them?
>Marvin J. Wakoff
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In a message dated 98-09-01 03:35:51 EDT, you write:
<< > On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, James Willing wrote:
>
> > Apple PN: 342-0135B (eprom in some sets, masked rom in others)
> > 342-0134A (???)
> > 342-0133A (???)
> > and... 370-6502 (a 6502 processor ?!?)
> >
> > My first inclination without opening up any of my boxes (that I can't get
> > to at the moment anywho) is Apple IIgs upgrades... Can anyone confirm or
> > deny this? Most of the parts are dated 1982... >>
these are the chips needed to turn an original apple //e into an enhanced //e
model.
david
>>> See my web page for a history of the UCSD P-System.
>>Hmm letmesee... only Pascal ? What about the otherlanguages ?
>
> I don't think I have any other languages for my Terak's
> P-System, and I don't know much about who developed those...
> Did UCSD develop any beyond Pascal?
At least Fortran and Basic - While the Basic compiler
never got wide usage, the Fortran was quite popular
among the number crunchers to get some of their
apps running on the A2
Gruss
H.
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Hmmm... Ok, based on what information was forwarded to me (thanks, and you
know who you are!) the box is not all what it appears to be. It does
appear that the box contains one set of original LISA parts (two eproms and
a state machine) which I'll have to figure out what to do with (lots of
folks wanted some, and now it seems I only have one) and a LOT of sets of
other parts.
Can anyone put meaning to these?
Apple PN: 342-0135B (eprom in some sets, masked rom in others)
342-0134A (???)
342-0133A (???)
and... 370-6502 (a 6502 processor ?!?)
My first inclination without opening up any of my boxes (that I can't get
to at the moment anywho) is Apple IIgs upgrades... Can anyone confirm or
deny this? Most of the parts are dated 1982...
-jim
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At 04:26 PM 31-08-98 -0700, Sam Ismail wrote:
>Use Linux instead. Its far less picky about its hardware (and a whole
>lot more stable too, not to mention just a better OS).
I wouldn't be so sure. Linux will stress a system far more than
W3.11/WFWG/W95 will. I've experienced a number of systems that would quite
happily run BGP (Bill Gate's Products) that wouldn't reliably run Linux.
Typically the problem is memory that is marginal and is quite often seen as
compile errors (especially rebuilding kernels).
However, I must admit that I never have problems with stability of either
of linux or NT....
Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au
Information Technology Services | Phone: +61 3 9479 1550 Fax: +61 3 9479
1999
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My collection of documentation has taken a dramatic upturn in the last few
weeks. It just occurred to me that I could have the very thing somebody's
looking for. Who knows?
So, in an attempt to be unselfish, I am going to catalogue the docs I have
available and make information from them available to anybody needing it.
Just ask.
And, for the record, I'll try to be quicker than I have been getting that
CT Voice Processor manual copied and mailed to Sam. (:
I'll make the listing available at
http://www.slash.net/predicate/
Hope it'll be useful!
ok
r.
I'd be very interested to know if you have copys of an old magazine called "Micro Cornucopia". I did a summer internship there when I was in high school.
Tony
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On Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:04:26 Seth J. Morabito wrote:
>[...]
>> When did the downward trend in magazines occur, or was it a steady
>> process?
>
>Old computer magazines are another passion of mine. I a large
>bookshelf full of BYTE magazine, from around 1976 to 1993, and
>leafing through these magazines is like looking through the layers
>of sediment in an archeological search. It's immensely fascinating.
>
>BYTE started out as a single-signature stapled magazine. The September
>1975 issue is 96 pages. These were the days of serious homebrew
>systems, and Byte catered to that crowd exclusively. There were articles
>about writing assemblers, about microcode, about CPU design, about MMU
>architectures, and about CP/M internals. The typical reader was putting
>together a home-made or kit-bought S100 machine, and wanted to stay in
>touch with their fellow hackers. Those were truly glory days, 1975 to
>1980, although I was too young to participate. I was busy playing in
>a stream somewhere over summer vacation :) [I guess I'm trying to make
>up for lost time by being so interested in classic computers now]
>
>BYTE stayed about this size, right up through 1980 or so. If you were
>around to remember it, there was a HUGE burst in Home Computing mania
>right around 1981. Computers were suddenly everyhere, and everyone seemed
>to have access to an Apple II or a Sinclair or (later) a Commodore 64.
>With the introduction of the IBM PC, computers gained "business"
>acceptance, and the wave crested. Anyone remember the 1982 TIME Magazine
>"Man of the Year" going to "The Computer"? That raised a few eyebrows.
>
>It was right around that time that BYTE swelled into a behemoth 400-page
>magazine. It was like hefting a book, and the spine was a good 3/4"
>thick. Every article had something good in it. There were in-depth
>articles about Smalltalk and the coming of Object Oriented Programming.
>Serious reviews of new commercial computer products. Buyer's guides.
>And still, plenty of technical articles, and source code for programs.
>
>It wasn't until 1985 or so that BYTE got back down to smaller proportions,
>and had fewer articles. They focused more PC clones, the brand-new
>Macintosh, business applications; less on hard-core internals. The techie
>articles were still there, just in fewer numbers, and the readership
>of Byte was pretty mixed, technical and business computer users.
>Computer literacy was still not what it is today, so there weren't as
>many clueless newbies. There would be plenty of time for that later.
>
>In my very humble opinion, it was around 1987 or 1988 that computer
>magazines started seriously heading downhill. BYTE remained a very good
>magazine, right up through 1993, but after that, it was fully devoured by
>"Business App-Itis", and became pretty un-interesting.
>
>These days, the only computer magazine that's anything like what
>Byte used to be is "The Computer Journal", published by Dave Baldwin.
>Unfortunately, it's quarterly instead of monthly -- there's just not
>that much demand for S100 information these days :)
>
>-Seth
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On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Allison J Parent wrote:
Hello Allison,
> I meant simply:
>
> >>>B MKA0 <cr>
>
> It could be any device from 0->7.
OK, I have tried >>>B MKAn for values 0->7 and ended with a quick 84 FAIL
in each instance.
Likewise, I have tried >>>B MUAn for the same values with the same
results, excepting n=0. In that instance, I first see the
-MUA0
displayed and sometime later:
%VMB-F-ERR, PC = 00000765
%VMB-I-STS, R0 = 000008C2
84 FAIL ^^^
In this case, however, ^ this value is different from the other instances.
> < By the way, about how long should the boot from tape take, and what are
> < the TK50Z indications that it is 'doing its thing'? I tend to assume
> < that the flashing green LED means that it is reading.
>
> Assume slow, slow, slow.
>
> < ?? 1 00C0 0000.7004 *** WHAT IS THIS??? ***
>
> Unterminated ethernet (BNC)?
Likely so, as it is not terminated.
> < TPC 0202.0001
> < FFFFFF03 01000001 FFFFFF05 FFFFFF05 FFFFFF05 FFFFFF05 FFFFFF05 FFF
>
> those ending on 05 are not occupied scsi addresses.
>
> I believe the one that comes up ffffff03 is the tape, the 010000001 is a
> new one on me.
>
> All the other tests I'm ingoring right now. Try the TK50 again with the
> SCSI tape disconnected and see that the pattern is. It should all be
> xxxxxxx05. Also I think the default address for the tape is 7 not 0.
I tried it with the T 50 disconnected and the change was that the
01000001 value became FFFFFF05 also. With it connected but powered down,
I got FFFFFF03 FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF ...
Right now, I am trying again to boot from the TK50 after setting MUA0 as
default via T 51. I entered just 'B', and it has tried -DUA0, -MUA0, -ESA0,
?54 RETRY, and is now on ESA0 again. I'm not sure how long this will go
on, but it looks like it is skipping MUA0 on this go round. Yes, it is.
It is cycling between -ESA0 and ?54RETRY.
Could the TK50 drive itself be faulty, or d\the tapes themselves?
- don
"D. Peschel" <dpeschel(a)u.washington.edu> wrote:
> I'm jumping into the discussion because I just got practically a complete set
> of Micro Cornucopia. (From issue #1 until issue #51 (?) which was well into
> the MS-DOS days. I don't know when they stopped publishing.)
I think the last issue was #53, May 1990. And I hope David Thompson is
doing well these days, he certainly brought a lot of interesting reading
material my way back then.
(Looking for: #8, #10, #11, #12, #20)
-Frank McConnell
I seem to recall that someone was looking for a source for cheap LCD pan
< a while back (Allison?). Just got the current Alltronics catalog and
< they've got 640 X 480 backlit panels (Sharp LM64P80) for $39.95, and
< non-backlit for $9.95.
Both sound good but whats the drive needs? I already have a $9.95 special
but the logic to drive it would be odious and the interface was apprently
for a custom chip.
Allison
Those who would like to experiment with a VAXStation 3100 or two should
get in contact with this fellow directly.
Thanks in advance.
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I have two VAXstation 3100 Model 38's and a variety of peripherals, all
in
working condition for the right price. You can pick from the list and
make
one good system if you like, or make an offer for the whole thing.
Here's my inventory (I'm working from memory but can provide exact p/n's
upon request!)
2-3100 M38 (I'm not using the built in video so can't verify on-board
video)
2-VT-320 Monitors and keyboards
2-RZ-23L disk (126MB works for most any VMS)
1-Quantum Lightning (540MB, works as boot for VMS>6 or so)
1-DEC RZ25L (1GB works as boot for VMS 5.4 and greater or so)
1-DEC (Sony) 4/8 GB tape unit (just purchased. Works for VMS 5.4 and
greater)
1-Tape TK type tape drive (untested)
1-Floppy drive (untested)
1-Toshiba 4x CDROM (works with VMS 5.4 and greater)
1-Spare SCSI interface and device plane
Misc cables, etc.
As far as VMS and media, one can join DECUS and for about $40 get VMS on
CDROM. ;>)
You should join anyway!
This is the good stuff! I'm about to finish a project with the
hardware,
so it can be yours promptly!
Best Offer for each system or the whole bundle!
Thanks and remove the zzz's!
Rich
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"Max Eskin" said:
>Give me a break!
Most of my generation disowned every thing their parents
stood for, and they're paying the price. They are having
to reinvent the wheel every day. It's like the 80's were
a small version of the Dark Ages.
Well I'll quit before I really get wound up. I'll just say
thank you for making my point. Isn't it sad to think that
after landing 12 men on the moon and returning them safely,
we sink to the point where we say:
>"Rockets explode all of the time."
> Plus, I would guess some of the parts they are using are old.
>I have the feeling cracked seals could once again be the >problem."
Could it be because they don't know how to built a rocket today?
>Also, rockets don't rely on computer controls. These are 20-year >old
technology. It's unlikely
>they have anything more than a bunch of servos like in a model >car.
I was talking about the computers used to design the rockets.
But,I do think you are forgetting about the P5 based computer
running Windows 98 used to monitor the fuel pressure in the
fuel pump.
I'll bet the rocket "crashed" before it blew up.
=========================================
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Curator
Museum of Personal Computing Machinery
Sunnyvale,CA
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"This instrument can teach, it can illuminate;
Yes,and it can even inspire. But it can do so
only to the extent that humans are determined
to use it to those ends. Otherwise it is
merely lights and wires in a box."
- Micro68 computer User's Manual,EPA Inc. 1976
=========================================
If, according to your domain name, you're in NJ, there isn't anyone
terribly close to you over here. The closest would be Long Island.
Actually, we don't consider 486 to be classic, but if they have to be
rescued I'm sure someone can do it. What are the actual specs? Have
you considered donating them to a school or church?
>We have some old 486 computers that we don't use anymore. Can you use =
>them?
>Marvin J. Wakoff
>Wakoff, Andriulli & Co.
>mwakoff(a)njcpa.com
>
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> From: PG Manney <manney(a)lrbcg.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: WTB: OLD Cd-Rom
> Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 12:43 PM
>
> I have several single-speed Hitachi units.
> manney(a)lrbcg.com
>
> >>>Hello. I'm looking for one of the OLD CD-Rom's that are sometimes
> pictured
> >>>with old IBM's in TAB books. They are the old, big (well, wide)
external
> >>>drives that were in a case about 12-18" wide, and about 3-4" high.
> >>
> >
>
[Part 1 OK 5 lines Latin 1 text]
[Part 2 SHOWN 17 lines Latin 1 text]
Use V command to ...
[The following text is in the "iso-8859-1" character set]
[Your display is set for the "US-ASCII" character set]
[Some characters may be displayed incorrectly]
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">
<HTML>
<HEAD>
*** snip ***
In my case, selecting the 5 lines after using V provided straight ASCII
text. I agree, however, that plain ASCII is much to be preferred!
- don
Having failed to find a 22VDC adapter for my Outbound, I'm trying to look
into alternatives.
The computer uses an ordinairy camcorder battery - 12 Volts, 2.0Ah. What
I'd like to do is hook a power adapter directly to the battery terminals
inside the unit. How realistic is this idea? I'm assuming I'd need a
12VDC power adapter, but what about amperage?
Thanks.
Tom
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Yes, I'm (finally) back! I've got my system on Linux now for its
primary, with NT supporting the stuff that hasn't been ported just yet
(mainly EDA tools and the Micro House Tech Library).
I must say, I am impressed. I've done things with Linux that would have
crashed NT, hard, in a heartbeat, and it took them all in stride and
kept on going.
Anyway... I know Zane, at least, is wondering about the rescue I did
>from Fluke. It went well, and I've got a goodly pile of stuff now. I'll
likely be getting rid of most of it, and I'll post a list here as soon
as I can write one up. The first run of freebies will likely consist of
a pair of PDP-11/04's and DSD-880's to match.
Caveat emperor!
I seem to recall that someone was looking for a source for cheap LCD panels
a while back (Allison?). Just got the current Alltronics catalog and
they've got 640 X 480 backlit panels (Sharp LM64P80) for $39.95, and
non-backlit for $9.95.
If anyone's interested in Atari stuff, they've also got NOS Atari 1020
color printers for $14.95, and 2600 trackballs for $9.95.
Alltronics address is 2300 Zanker Rd., San Jose, CA 95131, 408.943.9773
R.
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>
>At 12:04 PM 8/31/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>Old computer magazines are another passion of mine. I a large
>>bookshelf full of BYTE magazine, from around 1976 to 1993, and
>
>As had been reported here in May when it happened, Byte is no more,
>but the post-game commentary has begun. See Tom Halfhill's
>analysis at <http://www.wenet.net/~halfhill/bytefaq.html>,
>he was an editor there. Love 'im or hate 'im, Pournelle can't
>stop talking about it or anything else at
><http://www.jerrypournelle.com/fiasco.html>.
>
>I agree with Halfhill's assessment in general, that Byte was
>perhaps the only general computer magazine as compared to so many
>other platform-chauvinistic rags. On the other hand, in the last
>few years, many of my copies of Byte went unread.
>
>- John
>
>
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Well, all of the college guys down here are moving and that means
lots of trash. I picked up an old magazine, Popular Computnig, from
1983. This issue deals with programming languages, all sorts of
comparisons and advice about them. I've never before seen a computer
magazine of this age, and I found it quite fascinating. There was an
article about 'Why you should learn to program', the depth of which
was immense compared to modern magazines. But the letters to the
magazine show that people were'nt any smarter back then, just more
curious and thoughtful. I laughed when I saw this letter:
"I opened up my computer, and found the 6502 processor. Could I get
speed gains by replacing it with an 8088 or 8086?" At least they
know the numbers. Good thing they went to the trouble of checking.
Too bad intel decided to drop numbers and use meaningless names.
When did the downward trend in magazines occur, or was it a steady
process? Another question: I found a VGA monitor in the trash. It hasn't
been dropped and works fine, but the glass is scratched from being
dragged on the sidewalk. Is prone to implosion?
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Hi,
does anybody know who has right now the rights for
the KIM-1 design and the respective ROM code?
Or more in general - is there any successor for
the Commodore Semiconductor divison ?
Gruss
H.
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Does anyone have a data cable for a TRS-80 Line Printer II? I want to use
it with the TRS-80 Model III, but don't have the cable. I've checked with
RadioShack, and they no longer carry it. I also need boot/program disks
for the TRS-80 Model III.
ThAnX,
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Stable alright, just like a Tiger III Tank:
Shells, mines, concrete barriers, etc. will be hard
pressed to stop it, but the danged thing won't do 35mph
(downhill) . . .
At 10:13 AM 8/31/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>WinNT is quite stable. I've been running it for years - since 3.0,
>I think, under heavy daily software development. Judging from the
>reports I hear, I think it's a bit more sensitive to less-than-perfect
>motherboards, RAM, or peripherals. I've had perhaps two blue screens
>of death, probably due to bad drivers.
>
>- John
>
>>Cross platform development was an easy thing - write one
>>application and let it run on PETs, Tandys, CPM/systems,
>>of coure on APPLE ][s and even on IBM-PCs - oh, did someone
>>say Java ? *grins*.
> In theory. In practice, many P-System programs made calls to
> platform-specific extensions to the language in question,
> linking against a library of a dozen or so routines for doing
> non-standard subroutines written in machine code: block
> memory moves, disk block reads, etc. I don't think those
> were ever standardized between platforms.
> You can't take the average clone of Pacman or whatever from an
> Apple II P-System and run it on another system unless it was
> completely pure - poking video memory ain't pure.
At some degree - there have been a lot of Units available
on different platforms. And as everywhere in these old
days the ctr controll codes had more impact an porting
than anything else. In fact I used the p-system several
times for cross platform developments in the early 80s.
Even for my first app on the IBM-PC - The next few apps
where developed with Turbo Pascal on the APPLE ][+ using
CP/M and recompiled on the PC. I withstand the IBM for
almost two years ...
> See my web page for a history of the UCSD P-System.
Hmm letmesee... only Pascal ?
What about the otherlanguages ?
> I'd love to get a Microengine.
Ibet there are still some out there.
Gruss
H.
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Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
I went thru hell trying to find out who has the rights to the Commodore Semiconductor Group parts (looking for replacement 6510s for C64s).
You'll never guess who has them...
Gateway 2000
Tony
--
On Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:23:11 Hans Franke wrote:
>Hi,
>
>does anybody know who has right now the rights for
>the KIM-1 design and the respective ROM code?
>
>Or more in general - is there any successor for
>the Commodore Semiconductor divison ?
>
>Gruss
>H.
>
>--
>Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
>HRK
>
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I have here a 386 memory card (you know, the Compaq-type things)
with 4 MB RAM in the form of 36 KM41C1000AP-8 chips. Are either of
these chips equivalent? If so, I'll take them and populate as much
more of the board as I can.
>
>Hi gang.
>
>In my various travels I have accumulated a ridiculous amount of DIP
ram, which
>to me is entirely worthless.
>
>Does anyone have a use for
>
>24 HY53C256LS-80 (other number is 9122B) (known good)
>
>or how about
>
>36 8806B (the other number is MT1259-10) (unknown quality)
>
>Basically I hate to toss good silicon in the trash, so if you want
these
>let me know and we'll arrange something - max cost would be postage.
>
>--
>Jim Strickland
>jim(a)calico.litterbox.com
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I have several single-speed Hitachi units.
manney(a)lrbcg.com
>>>Hello. I'm looking for one of the OLD CD-Rom's that are sometimes
pictured
>>>with old IBM's in TAB books. They are the old, big (well, wide) external
>>>drives that were in a case about 12-18" wide, and about 3-4" high.
>>
>
Guys:
I picked up this half-wide, brand-new looking q-bus card (well, it *looks*
like
q-Bus card to me). It is labelled:
Codar Technology
Model 170 Q-Monitor
The thing has two Q-bus edge connectors, and a blue plastik pull tab on the
other end that says "CTI".
I looked up Codar on the web: They're a defence contractor that specializes
in ruggedized and hardened computer and computer peripheral equipment
(they started by building stuff for off-shore drilling rigs).
It's probably made for some military application, but who knows? It may
be useful to someone. Anybody want it?
Jeff
Anyone out there up on Bar Code readers? Picked up a used one a while
back, and I'm wondering about cabling, data output etc. I'll have to
dig it out of a drawer at work (I was thinking of replacing the
ancient time clock we have with bar coded employee id cards)...
I know there's much more advanced technology, but, I work for a
non-profit...
Thanks!
Will
It appears I mis-typed the latest release... I plead insanity from
having to type 'v3.2c' due to work on Digital unix (V3.2C)...
Actually, the most up to date emulator is 2.3c..
Thanks to those who didn't publicly humiliate me and chose to send
private mail... :-)
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
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I believe this is a drive file you have sent me when I was trying to
get mine going. I lost it. Could you please send it, preferrably
UUencoded, to me so that I can test?
>I have one in my basement. I don't know what it's condition is. It's
>been a while since I used it. It is labeled 'CD-Fiche' and looks about
>the same size as a CD player for a stereo component system. I'll have
to
>see what I have left for it. I don't know if I have a driver or
>interface card anymore. the driver name was called HITACHIA.SYS (yes,
>the extra A is at the end). I do remember, it was SLOOOWWWW.
>
>Jeff Salzman
>
>>>Hello. I'm looking for one of the OLD CD-Rom's that are sometimes
pictured
>>>with old IBM's in TAB books. They are the old, big (well, wide)
external
>>>drives that were in a case about 12-18" wide, and about 3-4" high.
>>
>
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Need a couple (any capacity) 3.5" SCSI hard drives to use in a couple
PS/2 model 90's (8590) that are being donated to the school I'm setting
up here. The machines are complete but no hard drives at all. The
machines will end up as workstations under Win95 so I imagine 80's would
have to be a minimum.
Have tons of things to trade and would prefer that.This project is a
total donation of time on my part and I'm trying to get as much together
without a huge cost as possible.
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I have one in my basement. I don't know what it's condition is. It's
been a while since I used it. It is labeled 'CD-Fiche' and looks about
the same size as a CD player for a stereo component system. I'll have to
see what I have left for it. I don't know if I have a driver or
interface card anymore. the driver name was called HITACHIA.SYS (yes,
the extra A is at the end). I do remember, it was SLOOOWWWW.
Jeff Salzman
>>Hello. I'm looking for one of the OLD CD-Rom's that are sometimes pictured
>>with old IBM's in TAB books. They are the old, big (well, wide) external
>>drives that were in a case about 12-18" wide, and about 3-4" high.
>
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
What I've been told is....
Power on with LTA switch off (down) CPU Swith up (CPU)
Init switch up
at $ prompt type in drive name
$ DK0
It now takes me back to the @ prompt.
Type in 0g
@0g
and I get 000002 back.
I'm assuming that the '2' I get back is an error of some sort. Can anyone
shed any light
on this one for me.
Thanks in advance
Grant Mitchell
On Aug 30, 20:15, Sam Ismail wrote:
> Subject: Sinclair ZX-80 first Sinclair kit?
>
> I believe I've heard reference to a kit computer that Sir Clive Sinclair
> sold before the ZX-80. Is this correct? If so, what was it called, what
> CPU was it based upon, and what year did it come out?
I think you're referring to the MK14. It's a single board about 4" x 9"
with a 20-key hex keypad and LED hex display at one end. The processor is
an SC/MP, with 512bytes ROM (2 ICs) and 256 bytes of RAM (expandable to
almost 2K) on early versions (I think later versions had more).
Programming was done by entering opcodes in hex. It came out in late 1978
or early 1979, AFAIR.
Take a look at
http://users.aol.com/mk14emu/
for more information.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
Unfortunately, that's not the one that I need. I have 3 of them. I need
one with an edge card on both ends. 34 pin on one end, and slightly larger
on the other.
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
----------
> From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Cable needed
> Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 11:02 PM
>
> > Is that the standard Model 3 printer cable? 34 pin card edge connector
->
> > 36 pin Amphenol plug?
>
> If that is the one that you need, e-mail me. I have one or two here.
>
> - don
>
Hi gang.
In my various travels I have accumulated a ridiculous amount of DIP ram, which
to me is entirely worthless.
Does anyone have a use for
24 HY53C256LS-80 (other number is 9122B) (known good)
or how about
36 8806B (the other number is MT1259-10) (unknown quality)
Basically I hate to toss good silicon in the trash, so if you want these
let me know and we'll arrange something - max cost would be postage.
--
Jim Strickland
jim(a)calico.litterbox.com
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I just picked one up today. I don't know what kind of shape it's in. The
salesman said, "Why wouldn't it be in working order?" -- I can think of many
answers to that question and (as I know from reading the list) it's always a
good idea to check something out before wrecking it by turning it on.
My model is a tasteful shade of dark green, with "MARCHANT" in gold Art Deco-
ish letters. I think it's one of the earlier electtric models (it may be one
produced from 1939-1945).
I'd like to know if there is any simple cleaning up I can do. What's the best
way to clean the plastic exterior? Is it possible to operate the mechanism by
hand? (The machine didn't come with a power cord. It's in an "unstable"
state -- some dials are in intermediate positions, and some multiplier keys are
engaged. So it might be a good idea to clear everything.)
And does anyone have advice on repairs? I've taken off some of the panels and
I was rather intimidated by the mechanical complexity. Then I did some reading
on the Web and learned about the insane mechanisms these things use for speed
(proportional gearing to handle the carries, tiny differentials, three drive-
shafts, the division mechanism which has an analog comparator, etc.) and now
I'm *really* intimidated. :) If there are any repairmen in the Seattle area,
I'd love to hear about it.
(The same guy had a Comptometer which I wish I had bought -- a friend of his
apparently has it, and when she opens her store in November it will surely go
for 1.5 to 3 times the price he was charging.)
Thanks,
-- Derek
Sorry about this, but since we have some politicians here, I thought
this might be of interest: today, I was biking past the MA State
Police station, and I noticed an interesting thing on the door:
one of those Crime Watch 'eye' stickers, but instead of 'Crime Watch',
it said 'Big Brother is Watching You'. I don't know how to take it;
I guess someone in there has a very strange sense of humor. High on
donuts or something....
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It's been a little slow but a few items of interest have come by way, here
a short list:
1) SoftPC for Next computer have not loaded it yet to test the programs
2) Next Blank opitcal disk not tested yet waiting on the drive I ordered
3) APX game casette for the Atari 400 called Ennumereight ver 1.0 APX-10204
4) Amiga model 1080 monitor
5) over a 30+ books and manuals
6) Wyse cpu WY-1100-2, kb and monitor
7) Zenith 512k station with 2 fdd on the side
8) Informer model 207 with nice blue carrying case
9) IBM 5153 color monitor
10) Laser 128 with power supply
11) IDEK li Yama color monitor with both Analog and Digital hookup
12) Osborne OCC1 missing KB, has modem unit
13) Compaq LTE286 notebook with power brick
14) Sanyo monitor DMC-7500 not tested yet
15) Macplus mouse and KB
16) 4-Coleco vision game cartridges one being neew to me called Antarctic
Adventure 1984 by Konami
17) New in box A+ o[itcal mouse for IIc
18) Northgate 286 cpu only no kb or monitor with it
19) NEC powerMate SX/20i cpu only
20) more 2600 and coleco cartridges
21) Coleco TelStar alpha model 6030
and many more items that I can not list because age (not old enough yet). I
will be back on the road again next week so I hope to get some new finds.
Keep Computing John
Nope. It's an edge card on both ends.
The one on the TRS-80 is a floppy drive-type plug, but the one on the
printer is a bit bigger (not sure how many pins).
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
----------
> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Cable needed
> Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 8:22 PM
>
> >
> Is that the standard Model 3 printer cable? 34 pin card edge connector ->
> 36 pin Amphenol plug?
>
> If so, then it's very easy to make one. All you need is an 34 pin IDC
> edge connector, a 36 pin IDC 'Centronics' Amphenol plug and a suitable
> length (2m, say) of 34 pin IDC cable.
>
> Just crimp the connectors onto the cable, leaving the 2 end pins
> (furthest from pin 1) of the Amphenol plug unconnected. Use the striped
> edge of the cable for pin 1.
>
> I can't remeber which pin on the model 3 is pin 1, alas. You may have to
> plug the edge connector in boths ways round until it works. Shouldn't do
> any damage if you get it wrong.
>
> -tony
>
>Speaking of the emulator...
>
>I'm curious if anyone has any more disk images I can experiment with?
>Technically, the license included with the emulator covers all older
>DEC operating systems, for non-commercial emulator use only. I would
>LOVE to get a disk or tape image of a full RSTS or RSX11-M+ environment
>I could play with on the emulator.
Thank you for pointing this out... if, in fact, this is as it appears
(and I just down-loaded the rt image from gatekeeper to read the license),
then we seem to be able to run RT-11 V5.3 or earlier, RSTS V9.6 or
earlier, or RSX-11M V4.3 or earlier. If so, and I want to confirm
this first, I have a copy of the V5.3 distribution of RT-11 I could
make available...
>Does anyone have such disk images available? And could they share them?
>(Unless I'm very much mistaken, it's legal under the emulator license)
It sure seems to be... I thought it used to state (for example) an
execute-only (RT^2) version of RT V4.0... This is a nice development.
I'll check it out today...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
I hope this isn't too late. Some of you in this area may get lucky and
find some old stuff amongst the wreckage.
-- forwarded message --
News Release Please
Route/Distribute.
(Photo/Interview Opportunities available -- see contact information
below)
Minneapolis based Non-Profit Computer Recycler to Re-organize
==============================================
Will Temporarily Suspend Operations on August 31st
Minneapolis, August 12, 1998 - Minneapolis-based DRAGnet, a non-profit
computer recycler, will temporarily suspend all recycling, placement and
technical operations on August 31st, 1998 due to a planned
re-organization. An unplanned warehouse lease termination will also
force a facilities re-location. As a result, DRAGnet will temporarily
discontinue computer equipment donation acceptance or collection by Noon
on Saturday, August 15th, 1998 until further notice.
DRAGnet management also announced today that loss of its warehouse
facilities will require a series of liquidation events before the end of
this month. "Garage Sales" of all acquired computer equipment will be
held each Thursday and Friday afternoon from 12:30 to 5:00 p.m. and
Saturdays from 9:00 a.m. to Noon at their current warehouse location of
1100 Van Buren Street NE (approximately one block northwest of the
Broadway and Central Avenue intersection). Proceeds will be used to
retire debt and partially fund the re-location and re-organization.
DRAGnet is the nation's largest EPA-licensed non-profit computer
recycling operation. Even with service demand at record levels, DRAGnet
management had targeted the end of 1998 as a period of re-assessment
because of lagging funding support. The lease issue arose unexpectedly
and will result in forcing the re-organization to begin several months
earlier than anticipated.
The re-organization plan involves examining the funding base for
continued and expanded operations as well as addressing other
organizational financial and staff issues. DRAGnet recycling programs
have enjoyed enormous success in recent years including twice being
publicly identified as "the national model that should be copied" by
leading national non-profit and recycling sources. Despite the call for
replication, funding from outside sources has lagged well behind the
demand for service expansion.
After recycling operations are temporarily suspended on August 31st, the
DRAGnet Board of Directors will devote several months to examining
various organization options and opportunities. This will include
expanding and, potentially, replacing existing board members, exploring
strategic alliances with area non-profits, secure funding resource
commitments and/or, perhaps, discontinuing selected service programs if
adequate funding sources are not identified.
In addition to recycling over 12,000 computers each year, DRAGnet has
rebuilt and placed thousands of refurbished computers throughout
Minnesota and the United States. People with disabilities, low-income
families, schools and churches have been the primary beneficiaries.
DRAGnet currently has no individual, foundation or corporate financial
supporters.
- ### -
Contact:
Gordon Gillesby
1100 Van Buren Street NE
Minneapolis, MN 55413-1537
612/378.9796
612/378.9794 (fax)
www.dragnet.org
info(a)dragnet.org
-- end of forwarded message --
Oops. That wasn't supposed to go to the list.
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-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
----------
> From: Jason Willgruber <roblwill(a)usaor.net>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: DATEXT CD-ROM
> Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 12:59 PM
>
> Hi!
>
> That sounds like what I'm looking for. Do you know if there's a date on
it
> anywhere? How much would you be willing to sell it for? I also have an
> EGA monitor w/card, if you'd be willing to trade.
>
> ThAnX,
> --
> -Jason
> (roblwill(a)usaor.net)
> ICQ#-1730318
>
Hi!
That sounds like what I'm looking for. Do you know if there's a date on it
anywhere? How much would you be willing to sell it for? I also have an
EGA monitor w/card, if you'd be willing to trade.
ThAnX,
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
----------
> From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: WTB: OLD Cd-Rom
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 12:05 PM
>
>
>
> I haven't seen the particular pictures that you refer to but I have
> a weird DATEXT cd with the width of the case about that of an AT. It has
> a card too. Never tried it, but it turns on fine.
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Let me explain: The drive that is blown plugs into the parallel port. The
drive is a Mitsumi that works, but there is something wrong with the
controller in the external box. I have a few internal Mitsumi controllers,
and they all run the drive, but the drive won't function in the external
case.
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
----------
> From: Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyn.ml.org>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: WTB: OLD Cd-Rom
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 11:38 AM
>
>
> I've got a spare Mitsumi controller here... and a spare Mitsumi
> and a couple of Panasonics.
>
> I've been picking 'em up for $10 as is from some local joints.
>
> Bill
If you need an Atari 400 power supply, I have one. It just needs a new
plug.
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
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> From: Doug Spence <ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Power adapter question
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 2:05 AM
>
>
>
> On 28 Aug 1998, Marion Bates wrote:
>
> > I have a generic power adapter that's rated 9VAC, 780mA.
> ^^^^^
>
> I don't think the voltage will be a problem, but the amperage looks a
> little low on that supply.
>
> Atari supplied power supplies rated between 1.7A and a whopping 5.6A for
> the 400.
>
> The AC VIC-20 power supply I have is rated at 3A.
>
> I don't know what the actual requirements of the systems are, but I'd be
a
> little wary of using a 780mA power supply.
>
>
> Doug Spence
> ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca
> http://alcor.concordia.ca/~ds_spenc/
>
Hey folks,
I'm going to pickup a system in a week or two, and it's got RL02 Drives.
I haven't seen one of these in years. Any shipping hints, locking
screws,
etc?
Thanks.
John Lawson was kind enough to forward the attached missive to me.
Nothing on the list that I can use, but others may have need. If so,
contact the original author (William Hunt) directly.
Thanks in advance.
-=-=- <snip> -=-=-
> From: wjh(a)user2.teleport.com (William Hunt)
> Newsgroups: pdx.forsale,comp.os.cpm,comp.sys.dec,comp.os.misc,alt.technology.obsolete
> Subject: FREE antique computer manuals (1975-1981)
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> Summary: Free is a very good price
> Keywords: MPSI BOS DEC DG antique computer
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>
> FREE Antique Computer Manuals 1975-1981
>
> MPSI (copies of originals)
> - MicroCobol Systems Manual
> - BOS/5 User Manual
> - MicroCobol Interface Manual
>
> Data General
> - User's Manual Introduction to Programming the Nova Computers
> - Stand-Alone Operating System User's Manual
> - User's Manual BATCH
> - Real Time Operating System Reference Manual
> - Disk Operating System (DOS) Reference Manual
> - Introduction to the Real Time Disk Operating System
> - Real Time Disk Operating System (RDOS) Reference Manual
> - How to Load and Generate Your Nova-Line RDOS System
> - RDOS/DOS Command Line Interpreter User's Manual
> - Business BASIC Reference Manual
> - Extended Basic User's Manual
> - Extended Basic System Manager's Guide
>
> Digital Equipement Corp.
> - PDP-11/05, 11/10 computer manual
> - RK05 disk drive maintenance manual
>
> ==Free== to anyone crazy enough to take them;
> Shipping/Handling beyond Portland Oregon region is extra;
> --
> William Hunt, Portland Oregon USA wjh(a)teleport.com
<You might compile, but it won't work - it's hard to map more than 64 kby
< at a time on a -11, and Bob Supnik's emulator assumes that there are
< no such silly limitations.
No need (or sense) to compile for an -11 as it is a PDP-11!
On the oft side compiling something big like that is still possible on
an -11, but your going to have to do it in peices and link them
afterwards.
Allison
>Of course you realize what I'm now wondering is if I can compile the
>emulator code on a PDP-11 using DECUS C or Whitesmith C....
You might compile, but it won't work - it's hard to map more than 64 kbytes
at a time on a -11, and Bob Supnik's emulator assumes that there are
no such silly limitations.
Converting DECUS C to split I&D might get you a bit closer to 64 kbytes,
but it still won't agree with Bob's emulator.
Tim.
>I'm not sure about gcc specifically, but there are directions in the docs
>for building it under VMS. Bob Supnik works for DEC, after all! (Well,
>COMPAQ I suppose... :-( )
Not just directions for building on VMS... there should be a set of .COM
files which do it for you.
BTW - Did the makefile I wrote ever make it into the distributed emulator
kit?
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com |
| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
--- You wrote:
On 28 Aug 1998, Marion Bates wrote:
> I have a generic power adapter that's rated 9VAC, 780mA.
^^^^^
I don't think the voltage will be a problem, but the amperage looks a
little low on that supply.
Atari supplied power supplies rated between 1.7A and a whopping 5.6A for
the 400.
The AC VIC-20 power supply I have is rated at 3A.
I don't know what the actual requirements of the systems are, but I'd be a
little wary of using a 780mA power supply.
--- end of quote ---
Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking. I HAD read what the amperage should be, but I guess I had a brain cramp when I ordered that 780mA job. Maybe I couldn't resist the price -- $2.50 from American Science and Surplus.
Just ordered the right ones this afternoon, one from somebody on the list and one from a guy in Minnesota (no, not the jerk that withheld the specs from me, another guy). Thanks for correcting me. :)
-- MB
Hello. I'm looking for one of the OLD CD-Rom's that are sometimes pictured
with old IBM's in TAB books. They are the old, big (well, wide) external
drives that were in a case about 12-18" wide, and about 3-4" high. I'm not
sure if they were manufactured by IBM or not. I need it for my 5170 AT.
I'm also looking for an original IBM 5170 AT keyboard.
ThAnX in advance,
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
None of those were meant for the list. My manners aren't as bad as
they seem to be :)
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It's dated 1986. Be warned that it has no drivers. I pluged the
controller in today, and it does seem to do something, but DOS can't
find it by itself. Where are you located? This is quite large. I would
give it to you for the price of shipping and certain items which we
can discuss (I am in Boston). I wonder if I would find the Mitsumi
that you have useful for my laptop...
>That sounds like what I'm looking for. Do you know if there's a date
on it
>anywhere? How much would you be willing to sell it for? I also have
an
>EGA monitor w/card, if you'd be willing to trade.
>
>ThAnX,
>--
> -Jason
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>> From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com>
>> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
>> Subject: Re: WTB: OLD Cd-Rom
>> Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 12:05 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> I haven't seen the particular pictures that you refer to but I have
>> a weird DATEXT cd with the width of the case about that of an AT. It
has
>> a card too. Never tried it, but it turns on fine.
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At 02:13 AM 8/7/98 -0500, Doug wrote:
>With all of the billionaires overbidding on ebay, Altairs are coming out
>of the woodwork! This should be interesting. Two are for sale (one from
>our own jimw), both have a "reserve", and one has a starting bid of $2500
>which has already been met! I think that's a record for an Altair, isn't
>it? So much for the old supply and demand theories.
>
The one for $2500 says the reserve has not been met!!! At that price, maybe MITS
should start up again!
The Imsai is $305 right now, for the person looking for one.
-Dave
I _AM_ my local overpriced computer store, and I don't have any! Can you ask
'em for me, please?
Thanks,
manney
>
>> Grant sent me some, but they weren't teeny tiny enough. These are 3/32"
>> across, but the pins are only about 1/16" tall. Anyone have any?
>> Thanks
>> manney(a)lrbcg.com
>
>hmm, my local overpriced computer store has em for sale...
>i doubt they are that hard to find.
>
Well, I don't think it was made exactly for the AT, but I know that I've
seen them in old pictures with an AT. I'm not sure about the date, and I
don't think they were made by IBM, either.
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> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: WTB: OLD Cd-Rom
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 7:19 AM
>
> In a message dated 98-08-29 02:16:04 EDT, you write:
>
> << Not really. There's room for an internal, and I have a sound card,
and a
> Mitsumi external w/ a blown controller. I'm just trying to find one of
the
> drives that could originally be purchased with the AT (or at least a 3rd
> party accessory). >>
>
> a cd rom for a 5170? that machine was announced ~1984 and IBM didnt have
a cd
> rom drive for an option way back then.
The Northstar Advantage I purchased arrived today. Fired it up, booted
into Graphic CP/M 2.2. Everything seems to work peachy!
Don Maslin, the boot disk you sent me was for a single floppy drive plus
HD system. Would you like me to send you a copy of the Dual Floppy boot
disk I made?
Tony
I haven't seen the particular pictures that you refer to but I have
a weird DATEXT cd with the width of the case about that of an AT. It has
a card too. Never tried it, but it turns on fine.
>Hello. I'm looking for one of the OLD CD-Rom's that are sometimes
pictureded
>with old IBM's in TAB books. They are the old, big (well, wide)
external i
>drives that were in a case about 12-18" wide, and about 3-4" high. I'm
not
>sure if they were manufactured by IBM or not. I need it for my 5170
AT.
>
>I'm also looking for an original IBM 5170 AT keyboard.
>
>ThAnX in advance,
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> What no room for an internal? If you have a sound card with a proprietry
> interface connection you could drop it right in. Bet you wish you had the
tandy
> set now, huh?
>
Not really. There's room for an internal, and I have a sound card, and a
Mitsumi external w/ a blown controller. I'm just trying to find one of the
drives that could originally be purchased with the AT (or at least a 3rd
party accessory).
--
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(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
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>I've also got problems with KED saving wierd strings of words to my data
>files when I save a text file. I'm about ready to hook one of my VT
>terminals up to the P2 so I've got an actual DEC terminal that I can run
>this stuff on and see if that helps, but it is a MAJOR pain to get to the
>back of the system to plug the cable in :^(
This must be a real bug in the emulator - I've seen this (random junk
past end-of-file) happen too. It seems to have no effect outside of KED,
strangely enough.
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--- Poesie De La Fenetre wrote:
well, I missed the meeting of you TC folks. But my excuse is valid... I
picked up a mac Quadra 950, w/ tons of cool A/V stuff, and a 21 inch
supermac monitor. Nothing 10 years old, except one of the hard drives- a
1.2 gig micropolis scsi made in 1987. huge.
so, be that as it may, I cannot get the system to boot correctly with
both the boot drive and this other drive hooked up at once. not a scsi
ID conflict; if i unplug the big old micropolis, it boots, and i can
plug it back in while it's running and it's accessable. it's not marked
as a boot disk, a startup disk, and it has no system software on it. I'm
lost.
--- end of quote ---
Could be a termination thing. Sometimes drives that used to be internal get used as externals, but they still have the termination jumper "on" which renders them unrecognizable to the system (don't know why it comes up when you hot-swap it, though). I think the termination jumper pins are usually labelled "T1."
-- MB
< It would appear that I am in dire need of some guidance in how to bring
< up my MicroVAX 2000. To bring things up to a current baseline, it is
< equipped with 14Mb of RAM, an RD54 HD, external connection option, and
< has a TK50Z-FA connected to it.
So far a fine machine.
< I have on hand several tapes for VMS - v5.4 and 5.5 - most but not all
< say that they are binary. Some are characterized as 'mandatory update'
Good!
< At any rate, after inserting the tape (#1) in the drive, closing the
< door, and pressing the illuminated red pushbutton, I enter 'b/1 mua0' a
< the terminal. After some passage of time (accompanied by whirring
< sounds and flashing lights), I see on the screen:
<
< -MUA0
Oops! It may be other than MUA0 or could be MKA7 (try 0-7 for both).
< Then later:
<
< %VMB-F-ERR, PC = 00000765
< %VMB-I-STS, R0 = 000008C2
< 84 FAIL
That means wrong or unusable device, or wrong media. If you do a T 50
you get a map of devices. so you know:
One line that gives looks like this:
FFFFF03 FFFFF05 FFFFF05 FFFFF05 FFFFF05 FFFFF05 FFFFF05
The FFFFF03 is the address of the tape, in this case device 0. the 05s
means no device at that address.
MM memory management
NI eithernet module
NVR battery backed up ram
TPC tape controller
DZ serial line controller
FP Floating point
HDC hard disks/floppies
4pln 4 plane graphics coprocessor
8pln 8 plane graphics coporcessor
MONO monochrome video (bare bones)
DUA0 is the hard disk which has ???? on it.
Allison
< On one hand, your friend could learn how to use a unix machine to
< get the files and unpack them, and on the other hand, maybe someone
< should take all the files which comprise the current kit and create
< an equivalent .zip file and put it on gatekeeper...
Or behind the third do there is gunzip and detar for DOS. Also available
for most of the same archives as the Supnik emulators.
Allison
In a message dated 98-08-29 03:20:00 EDT, you write:
<< >> You neglect to mention the begathons every PBS station does for at
> > least two weeks every quarter.
> That's true (and they are very annoying). So there is a downside to PBS.
> I wonder if they're telling the whole truth about their money policies
during
> those pledge drives? I'd really like to know more details about where they
> get their money and how they spend it.
-- Derek >>
how does this fit into classiccmp?
In a message dated 98-08-29 02:16:04 EDT, you write:
<< Not really. There's room for an internal, and I have a sound card, and a
Mitsumi external w/ a blown controller. I'm just trying to find one of the
drives that could originally be purchased with the AT (or at least a 3rd
party accessory). >>
a cd rom for a 5170? that machine was announced ~1984 and IBM didnt have a cd
rom drive for an option way back then.
>"This instrument can teach, it can illuminate;
> Yes,and it can even inspire. But it can do so
> only to the extent that humans are determined
> to use it to those ends. Otherwise it is
> merely lights and wires in a box."
> - Micro68 computer User's Manual,EPA Inc. 1976
I love it... succinct, and entirely lost with today's
generation who expects that computers can do anything,
right out of the box. Actually, I remember a few
people who thought the same way a few decades ago
as well...
On the other hand, I've also had people respond to me
that "That can't be done on our computer," when I've
made some suggestion. I always respond with, "Yes,
it could be done if a programmer took the time to
write the code."
It's amazing how much and how little people think
computers can do... quite a paradox.
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com |
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+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
well, I missed the meeting of you TC folks. But my excuse is valid... I
picked up a mac Quadra 950, w/ tons of cool A/V stuff, and a 21 inch
supermac monitor. Nothing 10 years old, except one of the hard drives- a
1.2 gig micropolis scsi made in 1987. huge.
so, be that as it may, I cannot get the system to boot correctly with
both the boot drive and this other drive hooked up at once. not a scsi
ID conflict; if i unplug the big old micropolis, it boots, and i can
plug it back in while it's running and it's accessable. it's not marked
as a boot disk, a startup disk, and it has no system software on it. I'm
lost.
Forgive my non-ancient computer babbling (1992, that's 6 yrs... seems
like a lot more to me, however :)
-Eric
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http://www.msnbc.com/news/178798.asp
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Curious. Same goes for people who aren't in a large company and
invent various other things. How did he 'invent' a gun without
owning the necessary tools (at least I doubt a magazine writer would
own this stuff) to process metal? Also, how did Woz make a case for
the Apple ][, etc? Are there companies that take single orders
like this?
>
>Elmer Keith was a well known gunsmith and magazine writer (was it Guns
&
>Ammo?). Among other things he's credited with inventing the .44 magnum
>pistol round (IIRC) in 1955.
> Jack Peacock
>
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Chuck, I'm forwarding your message to ClassicCmp. You should join that
too:
mailto:listproc@u.washington.edu
In the body of the message:
subscribe classiccmp cmcmanis(a)freegate.com
Everyone else already on the list, see below my sig for Chuck's original
message. He needs help with memory for his PDP/8.
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:46:11 -0700
From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)freegate.com>
Reply-To: baccl(a)retronet.net
To: Bay Area Computer Collectors List <baccl(a)retronet.net>
Subject: PDP-8 memory stack
Hello,
I'm new to this list (Sam Ismail suggested I join it), allow me to
introduce myself. I'm an engineer at a startup (FreeGate Corp) and have
been using computers since 1972 when I first laid hands on a PDP-8/e.
Since then I've used a variety of them (still have the boards, docs and
cassette tapes, from a Digital Grourp Z-80 system, my first computer.)
I am the Executive Director for the Society for the Preservation Of
Classic Computers (SPOCC). My current project for the society is to seek
charitable status under section 501(c)(3) of the IRS code.
My current restoration project is a PDP-8/m that is, sadly, without
memory. I've been looking around for a 4K stack for about 1.5 months
now. Progress to date includes buying a stack from Keyways Inc
(www.keyways.com) but having only the Core section work (the sense amps
and xy drivers are not working correctly) These boards are labelled G104
and G227 in DEC flip chip parlance. If you know of anyone who has a
working core stack, I'd be interested to hear about it. I paid Keyways
$75 each (to be refunded since they don't work) for these boards. I've
paid $10/each for "AS-IS" boards. DEC claims they have replacement stock
available at $1800. (a bit much for me...)
--Chuck
Since the Challenger explosion, NASA policy has been not to perform
shuttle launches for the purpose of delivering communications
sattelites.
>> Since we are off topic, read the Bill of Rights and the Constitution
>> sometime if you want an idea of just how many of your rights (re:
>> freedom) have been usurped in your 'best interest' by our omnipresent
>> Federal Government. This spy satellite pales in comparison to the
>> invasion of personal liberty that has been either legislated by
>> Congress or in the case of our Constitutional Rights bent in
>> interpretation by the Supreme Court under the guise of a 'living
>> breathing Constitution.' Bullshit. The Constitution doesn't need
>> interpretation, it is written very clearly and has been raped.
>
>I may be naive, but I understand that the satellite was owned by
>a connecticut company who was have it launched to replace the one
>which went bad earlier this year, knocking out millions of pagers,
>etc.
>
>> several years. Its the payload of the first that exploded that's
very
>> curious to me: a high-tech spy satellite capable of listening on on
>> thousands of phone calls and other communications, costing how many
>> billions? You'd think they would be REALLY, REALLY careful with a
toy
>> like that.
>
>So would I... and I would have suspect that such a satellite would have
>been launched from vandenburg. This is part of the reason I do believe
>it was a communicates satellite.
>
>BTW - if not from vandenburg, then aboard a shuttle...
>
> Megan Gentry
> Former RT-11 Developer
>
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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The September issue of PC World makes a very good point. 'Privacy'
is not mentioned in the Constitution. And while you're outraged at
invasions of privacy, read some Noam Chomsky and find out what you
should be angry at even more... (Chomsky Reader or via web search for
'Noam Chomsky').
> Since we are off topic, read the Bill of Rights and the Constitution
> sometime if you want an idea of just how many of your rights (re:
> freedom) have been usurped in your 'best interest' by our omnipresent
> Federal Government. This spy satellite pales in comparison to the
> invasion of personal liberty that has been either legislated by
> Congress or in the case of our Constitutional Rights bent in
> interpretation by the Supreme Court under the guise of a 'living
> breathing Constitution.' Bullshit. The Constitution doesn't need
> interpretation, it is written very clearly and has been raped.
>
> Marty
>
>
>
>
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>Subject: Re: Deja vu
>Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
>Date: 8/28/98 1:21 PM
>
>
> On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Max Eskin wrote:
>
> > Give me a break! Rockets explode all of the time. Plus, I would
guess
> > some of the parts they are using are old. I have the feeling cracked
> > seals could once again be the problem. Also, rockets don't rely on
> > computer controls. These are 20-year old technology. It's unlikely
> > they have anything more than a bunch of servos like in a model car.
>
> Sure! One out of hundreds of Space Shuttle flights. 1 out of, how
many
> was that, 4 Apollo flights. A couple recently out of hundreds in the
past
> several years. Its the payload of the first that exploded that's very
> curious to me: a high-tech spy satellite capable of listening on on
> thousands of phone calls and other communications, costing how many
> billions? You'd think they would be REALLY, REALLY careful with a toy
> like that.
>
> Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I at least like to HOPE that
someone
> out there cares enough about freedom that they had a hose accidentally
> snipped or something, know what I mean?
>
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>I can make a 16-bit version if someone throws the complete source my way.
>If there are problems I won't go into them because I just don't have
>time, but if it compiles straight on the first try then of course I'll
>stash the .EXE where ever it would be appropriate for others to get at.
Why should anyone have to toss it to you... it is available over the
web at
ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/digital/sim/sources/
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Since we are off topic, read the Bill of Rights and the Constitution
sometime if you want an idea of just how many of your rights (re:
freedom) have been usurped in your 'best interest' by our omnipresent
Federal Government. This spy satellite pales in comparison to the
invasion of personal liberty that has been either legislated by
Congress or in the case of our Constitutional Rights bent in
interpretation by the Supreme Court under the guise of a 'living
breathing Constitution.' Bullshit. The Constitution doesn't need
interpretation, it is written very clearly and has been raped.
Marty
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Subject: Re: Deja vu
Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 8/28/98 1:21 PM
On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Max Eskin wrote:
> Give me a break! Rockets explode all of the time. Plus, I would guess
> some of the parts they are using are old. I have the feeling cracked
> seals could once again be the problem. Also, rockets don't rely on
> computer controls. These are 20-year old technology. It's unlikely
> they have anything more than a bunch of servos like in a model car.
Sure! One out of hundreds of Space Shuttle flights. 1 out of, how many
was that, 4 Apollo flights. A couple recently out of hundreds in the past
several years. Its the payload of the first that exploded that's very
curious to me: a high-tech spy satellite capable of listening on on
thousands of phone calls and other communications, costing how many
billions? You'd think they would be REALLY, REALLY careful with a toy
like that.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I at least like to HOPE that someone
out there cares enough about freedom that they had a hose accidentally
snipped or something, know what I mean?
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Give me a break! Rockets explode all of the time. Plus, I would guess
some of the parts they are using are old. I have the feeling cracked
seals could once again be the problem. Also, rockets don't rely on
computer controls. These are 20-year old technology. It's unlikely
they have anything more than a bunch of servos like in a model car.
>> Looks like it's time to break out those
>> desk top analog computers that got us
>> into space the first time.
>
>You mean today? Haven't watched the news. I think its a conspiracy.
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At 08:52 PM 8/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
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>>> I see another rocket has blown up.
>>> Looks like it's time to break out those
>>> desk top analog computers that got us
>>> into space the first time.
>>
>>You mean today? Haven't watched the news. I think its a conspiracy.
>
>It is... the Taelons don't want us in space... :-)
>
Hmm, this looks like a job for agent Fox Mulder . . .
But a Minuteman has to perform targeting operations, and thrust
control, because it had to hit something. An orbital launch system
should (I know little about this) be simpler. I'm sure there are
seals of some sort in every rocket. Just that we only hear about them
>from the Challenger incident. And all seals can crack. But if this
was a maiden flight of a new vehicle none of this is necessary. New
technology is naturally less reliable than old, perfected technology.
>Cracked seals were specific to the solid booters of the Shuttle launch
>system.
>
>< seals could once again be the problem. Also, rockets don't rely on
>< computer controls. These are 20-year old technology. It's unlikely
>< they have anything more than a bunch of servos like in a model car.
>
>B0y are you wrong. rocket/missle technology was using computer
hardware
>as early as the late 50s. I know the first hardware I could actually
hack
>was from a minutman missle a rather strange serial word/math disk based
>machine that wasn't fast but apparently enough to do the job.
>
>
>Allison
>
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< Give me a break! Rockets explode all of the time. Plus, I would guess
< some of the parts they are using are old. I have the feeling cracked
Cracked seals were specific to the solid booters of the Shuttle launch
system.
< seals could once again be the problem. Also, rockets don't rely on
< computer controls. These are 20-year old technology. It's unlikely
< they have anything more than a bunch of servos like in a model car.
B0y are you wrong. rocket/missle technology was using computer hardware
as early as the late 50s. I know the first hardware I could actually hack
was from a minutman missle a rather strange serial word/math disk based
machine that wasn't fast but apparently enough to do the job.
Allison
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>D'oh. I do very much hope hope that the license turns out to be legit.
>After all, I have absolutely no desire to make any commercial use or gain
>out of the emulator or the Mentec software. It's purely non-commercial,
>purely educational, and fun.
I hope so too...
>Megan, could you put in a good word for us emu-weenies?
If I had any influence with people at Mentec, I would... but I'm just as
much one of the weenies in their eyes as anyone...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com |
| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
Guys:
How many of you out there have a North Star Horizon?
I have one in seriously distressed condition, but
it may be useful for parts, or possibly for someone
who wants to embark on a *serious* restoration
project.
Jeff
Jerome Fine <jhfine(a)idirect.com> wrote:
>Megan says she has a V5.3 of RT-11 to be made available.
>And I think someone else just mentioned that they had acquired
>a set of RX50 for V5.3 of RT-11. Happy computing.
The only problem I have right now is the fact that the person I contacted
at Mentec (who is one of three who are responsible for pdp-11 stuff) was
entirely unaware of this license. I had to fax him a copy and he is
checking it out...
Until that time, I can't do anything (and I advise others to wait
as well, otherwise they can open themselves up to legal recourse).
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com |
| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
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>> I see another rocket has blown up.
>> Looks like it's time to break out those
>> desk top analog computers that got us
>> into space the first time.
>
>You mean today? Haven't watched the news. I think its a conspiracy.
It is... the Taelons don't want us in space... :-)
Seriously, it carried the supposed replacement for the satellite which
had problems a few months ago and caused a beeper outage for millions
of subscribers... the company is a connecticut company...
Of course, the satellite was covered by insurance (gee, maybe that
is what brought it down... :-)
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com |
| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
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