- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by manney＠lrbcg.com

I've found those on various 286 systems. I made a key fob out of mine! >> >> The 286 chip in the T3100 series was smaller than the regular 286 chip >> (IIRC). The "fun" part about it was that it just dropped into the socked >> (loosely), and was held in place by the heatsink that snapped on top [one >> of Toshiba's *many* bad designs). If the computer would get bumped

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Toshiba T4600

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

I am in need of a few things for a Toshiba T4600 VGA 486 laptop. The unit could probably use a new battery, this one holds for less than 5 mins after all night charging. I'm also interested in the users manual and possibly a docking bay, or at least the model number or part number of a suitable docking bay. Other reasonable items such as PCMCIA items that will work on it I may be interested in as well. ___________________________________________________ Russ Blakeman Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 ___________________________________________________

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Various things

by mark_k＠iname.com

Hi, A reply to a previous post and some other things... On Sat, 29 Aug 1998 Tony Duell wrote (Re: MAC ATTACK): >The normal sets in the UK are of 2 forms - either integral handle/blade >(just like a normal screwdriver) or a set of 1/4" hex insert bits and a >handle. In neither case will they fit into a classic Mac, alas. The >problem with the insert bit type is that the bit holder is too large to >fit into the Mac. CPC plc sell a "Macintosh Computer Case Screwdriver" for 1.19 pounds (+VAT). The order code is TL01544. They also sell a more or less identical one (Ideal brand) for over 5 pounds. Repair of switchmode PSU from SyDOS 44e external drive case ----------------------------------------------------------- I am trying to repair the PSU from an old SyQuest external drive case. The PSU is made by Skynet, model SNP-9533-2. It has +5V and +12V outputs, both rated at 2A. The fault is a short between the +5V and ground lines. This showed up as a twitching of the cooling fan, as the unit repeatedly shut down and started up again. Thanks to the sci.electronics.repair FAQ, I have found the faulty component. A schottky rectifier has gone short circuit. There are two identical rectifiers in parallel. The other one is okay. So, I need to find a replacement for the broken rectifier, which is marked as follows: 31DQ 04 3F According to the data sheet available from www.irf.com, the specs are: I Rectangular waveform 3.3A F(AV) V 40V RRM I @ tp=5us sine 470A FSM V @ 3Apk, T = 25C 0.55V F J T -40 to 125 C J Will it be okay to use any diode of higher rating than the original? Can anyone recommend a suitable replacement, or does someone have a spare 31DQ04 diode? Mac SCSI cable -------------- I have a Mac SCSI cable, which has 50 way Centronics type connectors on both ends. On one end there is a small "extension", the body of which is about 2cm deep. It has a male Centronics connector on one end, female on the other. The Apple logo is moulded into it, and the Apple part # is 590-0304-A. What is the purpose of this? When it is in the SCSI cable, I cannot boot (my non-Apple computer) without having the external MO drive turned on. Without this thing,it works fine. Maybe something to do with TERMPWR? Wangtek tape streamers ---------------------- I was lucky enough to find Wangtek 5525ES and 5150ES SCSI tape streamers the other week, along with a couple of Adaptec PC SCSI controller cards. One of these, assuming that they work okay, should finally allow me to read (if not make use of) my Amiga UNIX tape. Did the Wangtek streamers normally come with any PC driver software, or is this not necessary? Hitachi CD-ROMs --------------- I have some old external Hitachi CD-ROMs (model CDR-1503S, I think). These have 37-way D connectors on the back, and they came with a couple of 37-way D cables. It looks like you can daisy-chain two or three of these to one PC. The Hitachi web site was unhelpful. Does anyone know anything about these? Do they need a special interface card, or do they plug into the 5.25" drive port on the back of my PC (which is a 37-way D connector)? Does anyone have suitable drivers? It would be a shame to get rid of them, since they seem to work; at least, after powering on I can eject and insert discs. Sinclair Oxford 300 calculator ------------------------------ I bought one of these the other week. Is this the same Sinclair as produced the ZX80, ZX81 etc.? A quick description: Unit is powered by 9V PP3 type battery, has an 8 digit red flourescent display. A minimal range of scientific funtions; (arc)sin, cos, tan, ln, e^x, square root and reciprocal. There is a switch on the back to choose between degree and radian modes. Calculation of (for example) the sine of a number takes about two seconds. Unless I haven't figured out how to use it properly, the answers it gives are rather inaccurate; for example: square root of 2 = 1.4139192 e = 2.6108 (obtained by entering 1 and using e^x function) It may be faulty; repeatedly pressing the 0 button causes the number entered to be variously 22000000, 22220000 or 20000000. (Though I just tried this again, and it seems okay now.) -- Mark

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Altos 586

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

I used to maintain one of these beasties in the late 1980's. It used Altos III terminals, which were just WYSE-50's with different color plasteek and slightly different firmware. It ran XENIX, which it seemed like it was of Edition 7 vintage. This particular one was a bit tempremental, and went down every few months or so due to hardware problems. It used a pair of Quantum 40MB FH hard disks. It think it could accomodate a 60 or an 80 as well, if I'm not mistaken (as I frequently am). Actually, it was a cool little machine. It was used for Cellular Telephone billing, and I learned how to use Unix on it. Shoot, I even remember the default root password after the Xenix was installed: 'sotla' :-) Jeff On Sat, 5 Sep 1998 11:09:04 -0500 "David Williams" <dlw(a)trailingedge.com> writes: >On 5 Sep 98, at 11:52, Allison J Parent wrote: > >> No, server is a newer concept. It was an integrated multiuser system >where >> there was one CPU (Z80) per user and likely ran CP/M, MPM (or clone >like >> turbodos). The 8086 was likely a local server for disks and such to >the >> local z80s. They all used the bus as a physically short network to >> exchange data. > >The Altos 586 ran Xenix off the 8086 IIRC. My father's office used >one about that time for their accounting. They looked at the Altos, >a Fortune and one other Unix based system at the time and picked >the Altos. They felt the company had a little better staying power >over the others. Not a bad little system, they ran 3 users with no >more than 1 meg of memory and could have put a couple more on >it. Don't recall the sizes of the disks. > > >----- >David Williams - Computer Packrat >dlw(a)trailingedge.com >http://www.trailingedge.com > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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Need submissions for VCF links page

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Hi People. I'm building out the VCF links page and would like to invite suggestions or requests for submission for inclusion on the page. The URL is http://www.siconic.com/vcf/vcflinks.htm. You can scroll to the bottom of the page and click on the "Submit a Link" button, or just e-mail me with a link. I could especially use some help in fleshing out the specific computer links groups, such as Commdore, Atari, Radio Shack, etc. as well as adding sections for additional computer families. Thanks! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 08/25/98]

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WTB: TRS-80 stuff.

by roblwill＠usaor.net

> > Check the stuff Frank Larosa has on his site at > http://www.searchlight.com/frank/milo.htm > > He has a Model III set up with external drives to include a 3.5" drive. I'm not > sure what you can do for a hard drive but if you can get some makes/models I > can see what I can scrounge up. As for a full height floppy, the one you have > is most likely a Tandon belt drive and you should be able to lube and clean it > and get it back on line with a little more detailing. Most likely the head(s) > need to be cleaned with denatured alcohol and the mechanism all lubed > (liberally and then wiped off) with a silicone based oil, much like sewing > machine oil. I do use sewing machine oil, the type they have at Walmart in a > white and red bottle sold under the Singer name. I just refill the needle oiler > I bought at tandy some years ago. Use it on VCRs, appliances, etc. > I may be able to get the lower drive working by oiling it, but not the upper drive. My friend's 4-year old cousin put a penny in the top of the computer, and it fell on the disk drive PCB. When I took the computer apart, the penny was still there - fused to the top of the board, with a black ring around it. I'm not sure if they're Tandon or ALPS. The keyboard was made by ALPS, but I didn't look at the drives. I looked at Frank's TRS-80, and I tried to put my drive in it, but it was too long and wide. I noticed that his was a Model 4. It may have a different drive mount. From the picture, the mount looks like it's shiny metal. Mine's a dull, gray plastic. I'll try to get the model numbers from it. I think the stickers are still on there.

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old computer

by nmccann＠creativecomputing.com

I have an Apple IIe, with two floppy drives, and an imagewriter printer. Have you any idea how I could get rid of them short of sending them to the land fill? I live in Monmouth County, New Jersey. Nellie McCann

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Osborne 01 computer

by handyman＠sprintmail.com

Hello everyone, I am needing schematics for an Osborne 01 computer, or some help in repairing it.. I just purchased it last week and was using it for about 30 minutes (It had not been used for some 13 years).. Worked perfectly and is in mint condition.. Then all of a sudden a crackle and smoke poured out.. It was still working but I quickly turned it off to save it from further damage.. I took it apart for a quick look expecting to find a burnt electrolyte capacitor in the power supply but did not see any damage.. I am afraid to power this unit up again for fear it will damage the mainboard.. Can anyone help me this is one of the finest old computer I have ever owned and I want to get it working again.. There must be someone that has schematics out there for it.. or maybe someone can help me dx it.. Thank You.. Phil Clayton

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Followup to Toshiba 3100e

by roblwill＠usaor.net

The 286 chip in the T3100 series was smaller than the regular 286 chip (IIRC). The "fun" part about it was that it just dropped into the socked (loosely), and was held in place by the heatsink that snapped on top [one of Toshiba's *many* bad designs). If the computer would get bumped suddenly, or if the chip would move due to expansion and contraction of the chip from heat, it would need to reseated. There was also VERY little airflow in those machines. The power supply has a 1 1/2" fan, and the hard drive and floppy drive were directly in front of the internal air vents, basically blocking the already limited (because of fan size) airflow. The HD controller was also buried under the hot power supply. The controller would heat up, and the P/S would heat up, causing the HD controller to blow >from overheating, and making it seem like the heads in the HD were stuck (don't know if toshiba did this on purpose...). The HD's, if you can find one are around $150 for a 20 meg. I don't know the cost of the controllers, because I sold the thing for parts before I even thought about looking in to it. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 PS>> when the P/S starts blowing out air about as hot as a hair dryer set on "low" (about an hour and a half), you better turn it off an let it cool down for a bit (or just put it on ice). ---------- > From: Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bbtel.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Followup to Toshiba 3100e > Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 5:52 PM > > Next best thing to thermal transfer compound. Evidentally the 286 chip is one of the > older non-C types that generate a lot of heat > > ___________________________________________________ > > Russ Blakeman > Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 > Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 > Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com > Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ > ICQ UIN #1714857 > ___________________________________________________ > >

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Altos 586

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< It is not obvious what it is. Has a 5 1/4" floppy and a hard drive, an 8 < cpu and about 6 or so Z80's. There are no obvious monitor or keyboard < connections, just connections marked port 1, port 2.... to port 6 and a < number marked as being hard drive expansions and one marked as "Altos ne Of course ther are no monitor or keyboard plugs... Thats a PC thing. ;) It expected serial terminals like vt100 or ADM3s and the like. < The copyright marks on the boards are marked 1982. < < Anyone know what this is? A 1982 server perhaps? No, server is a newer concept. It was an integrated multiuser system where there was one CPU (Z80) per user and likely ran CP/M, MPM (or clone like turbodos). The 8086 was likely a local server for disks and such to the local z80s. They all used the bus as a physically short network to exchange data. Allison

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WTB: TRS-80 stuff.

by roblwill＠usaor.net

That wasn't my problem. I really don't care about the date. The problem is, when I typed the date, NOTHING happened, because the keyboard was gummed up. I normally just type 11/11/11 at the date prompt, anyway. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Phil Clayton <handyman(a)sprintmail.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: WTB: TRS-80 stuff. > Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 10:01 PM > > Jason, I think the problem is that the original version of TRSDOS you are using > will not accept a date after 1989. > As you say it boots fine to a date prompt.. > You will need to get LDOS to correct this funny flaw in the operating system. > Guess They never expected them to be around so long.. > But it sound like you have it working.. > > Phil... >

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Altos 586

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

One of my finds this week was an Altos model 586-30E. It is not obvious what it is. Has a 5 1/4" floppy and a hard drive, an 8086 cpu and about 6 or so Z80's. There are no obvious monitor or keyboard connections, just connections marked port 1, port 2.... to port 6 and a number marked as being hard drive expansions and one marked as "Altos net". The copyright marks on the boards are marked 1982. Anyone know what this is? A 1982 server perhaps? Thanks Hans Olminkhof

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FW: FREE PDP-11/73 with tape drive in Cheshire

by kyrrin＠my-dejanews.com

ATTN: Rescuers in England/UK! This fellow's looking for a home for a MicroPDP-11/73, and it sounds like it's well-equipped. Please contact him directly if interested. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- From: helbig(a)man.ac.uk (Phillip Helbig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec Subject: free VAX 11/73 with tape drive in Cheshire Date: 5 Sep 1998 12:40:26 GMT Organization: University of Manchester, NRAL Message-ID: <6srbfq$c0f$1(a)probity.mcc.ac.uk> Reply-To: p.helbig(a)jb.man.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: multivac.jb.man.ac.uk Lines: 48 Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!peer.news.bb.u-net.net!u-net!yama.mcc.ac.uk!man.ac.uk!HELBIG As mentioned before, I'm planning on doing inventory on some old VAX stuff I have and having a big give-away in a few weeks. By the way, I'm still looking for stuff myself, especially tape drives (8mm) and bigger SCSI disks---see http://multivac.jb.man.ac.uk:8000/helbig/vms/vax.txt . I especially want VAXstation 4000 or VAXstation 3100 boxes. When picking up my last lot, I decided to save an 11/73 from destruction, hoping I could give it a good home. I don't know much about it except that it has a good tape drive in it and two sizes of floppies (no, neither is 3?"---5" and 8"). I need to get rid of this quickly, as it is filling up my car and making it difficult to drive. It's a rack-mount. If you want it, then come and get it, but you better hurry 'cause it's going fast. Previous experience shows that there is a big demand for these old systems. It's first come, first served. I would prefer people who will take it in any case, as there's not much point in looking at it and I want to unload it directly from my car into your vehicle. I could arrange to obtain some manuals and perhaps even software distribution media, but not before you pick up the VAX (since I don't want to drive anywhere with it in my car); you could come back for them or I could probably tell you where to pick them up, perhaps on the way to picking up the VAX. Email is the best way to contact me, though the other methods below are OK as well. I barely managed to get it in the back of a VW Polo estate (the previous model; it wouldn't fit in a new Polo) with the back seat folded down. So you need a car at least as big, where the dimensions of the opening are as critical as the volume. If you're not too far away, I could drive it out myself (which might save some effort) but only if you promise me to take it in any case. As far as I know, it is in working order and there is at least the OS and some compilers installed on it. I don't know WHICH OS is on it. -- Phillip Helbig Email ......... p.helbig(a)jb.man.ac.uk Nuffield Radio Astronomy Laboratories Tel. .... +44 1477 571 321 (ext. 297) Jodrell Bank Fax ................ +44 1477 571 618 Macclesfield Telex ................ 36149 JODREL G UK-Cheshire SK11 9DL Web ... http://www.jb.man.ac.uk/~pjh/ My opinions are not necessarily those of NRAL or the University of Manchester.

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Followup to Toshiba 3100e

by roblwill＠usaor.net

---------- > From: Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bbtel.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Followup to Toshiba 3100e > Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 10:54 PM > > > Oh I know the type your talking about, square 286 clamped in with pressure > contacts on all four sides. The last one I saw like that was in a Delta Gold I > had over 10 years ago. It had the white thermal compound on it to the heat sink > cover but of course that unit had more than enough air flow being a desktop > case, unless you got sloppy and let the ribbon cables block the air. I've only > worked on 2 T3100's and that was external work so I can't attest to what may be > inside. > They were supposed to have the terminal compound between the chip and processor. Toshiba didn't put the compound on, leading to another premature failure and more excess heat. > > So the hard drives are a special type huh? > They were made by JVC and had a 26 pin (IIRC) connector, with no power connector. My WANG WLTC has the 10MB version of the JVC drive, and my Tandy 1400HD has an ALPS 20MB with the same connector. I think they were fairly common in old laptops, but just fairly hard to find now. The drive usually didn't go bad in the Toshiba. It was the controller. I know two people who replaced the HD, only to find that it didn't work, either. They sent the HD's back to the company and scrapped the computers. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318

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Fwd: CBM 4032 Pet info request

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

I got e-mail from Adrienne Carter at Money Magazine (!) asking about the value "either financially or sentimentally" of the Commodore 4032 Pet. I pointed her at e-bay, but she doesn't seem to be just looking for a place to sell one. Unfortunately, I don't know much anything about those machines. So, if any of you out there want to chat about that machine, kindly write to her at this address after removing the letter "x"s from it: Adrixenne_Carter(a)tixmexinc.com . Thanks, Bill.

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Osborne 01 computer smoked..

by roblwill＠usaor.net

normally one of the components is trying to do something with the power, but it can't. sort of like when you short a wall transformer and it starts to hum. Another example is how some of the old computer screens or TV's sometimes put a high-pitched whistle. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Osborne 01 computer smoked.. > Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 9:18 PM > > On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Tony Duell wrote: > > > semiconductors have failed. If the supply is 'tweeting' then the most > > likely problem is either a short on the secondary side (e.g. a shorted > > Question: how can a power supply make noise when it fails in the manner > described above? > > Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Ever onward. > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 08/25/98] >

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Apple II parts

by oajones＠bright.net

I have three Apple II motherboards, several floppy drives, and cards laying around. I would like to get one Apple II running. I don't have any experience with Apple II computers. Is there any old timers on the mailing list who can give me some help. I also will need the software for running the computer (the boot disk, ect.). --Alan

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Equipment needs home: Portland, OR. area

by mbg＠world.std.com

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Osborne 01 computer smoked..

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Larry and Tony are discussing a blown capacitor... >> I'd replace it. A 250V _AC_ capacitor, class X. You should be able to get >> that from a good parts company (alas, being in another country I can't >> help you there). >> >> Then try again. Put the PSU on dummy load if you like (I certainly would) >> - a 6V 6W bulb on between the +5V output and the 0V pin. Let it run for a >> few minutes - taking care not to touch the PSU board as there's mains and >> rectified mains all over it. If it runs for (say) 5 minutes on dummy load >> it's safe to try it in the computer again. [...] > You have referred before to this dummy load 6V 6W device. If my > memory of Ohms law hasn't failed me completely this works out to > a 1 amp limit. I also imagine this has to be on the power good line. > Is there any reason you use this configuration ? I have some old 6V 6W > bulbs . Would these work just as well ? Eh? 6V 6W bulb is exactly what Tony suggested. To be more specific, many power supplies have regulator circuits that expect some current to be flowing in the load. These PSUs will push out the wrong voltages, or shut down altogether, if you power them up with nothing on the output. Therefore, when testing power supplies, connect some sort of load device - it doesn't matter what as long as it draws roughly the right amount of current - to the output. Most computer PSUs regulate the voltage on the 5V rail and hope all the others will follow, so this is the best place to connect the load. Light bulbs make good dummy loads because (a) they light up when the current is flowing and (b) they are relatively small, cheap and easy to obtain compared with (say) resistors of similar value. 12V bulbs (e.g. car running lamp (0.3 A) or indicator lamp (1.75 A)) are good for loading 12V lines should you need it. 6V bulbs are good for loading 5V lines. 6V 6W flashlight bulb is good for small and medium PSUs; for larger power supplies I use a 6V 24W car headlamp bulb (yes, my truck has 6V electrics). 12V bulbs also work at 5V, but remeber they have a much lower resistance at 5V than they do at 12. DON'T use the "power good" line to connect the dummy load. This is a digital output - usually TTL level - which can only drive a few mA. DO connect the "voltage sense" line(s) to the load as well as +5V and ground. Philip.

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Apple II parts

by PB14＠leicester.ac.uk

On 4 Sep 98 at 1:24, Sam Ismail wrote: > This guy was a mega turd. Although his FAQ was good, and his amazingly > peurile action of obliterating the FAQ over his personal holy war against > perceived or actual piracy of mostly obsolete software was indeed bizarre, > there are plenty of replacement FAQs available to help out the novice. The "new" FAQs can be downloaded from the Ground FTP server at ground.ecn.uiowa.edu > This debate is being perpetuated by people who have absolutely no life > whatsoever. I engaged in that debate for a few weeks and then went on > with my life. This was 2 years ago, AND THIS DEBATE IS STILL RAGING! Things have improved on the csa2 newsgroup following NM's departure. You forgot to mention his trademark "read the FAQ, stupid" response to every naive question. As you said, definitely a group for the sociologists to enjoy in years to come on Dejanews... Phil ************************************************************** Phil Beesley -- Computer Officer -- Distributed Systems Suppport University of Leicester Tel (0)116 252-2231 E-Mail pb14(a)le.ac.uk

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Followup to Toshiba 3100e

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

Problem has apparently been solved by re-seating the 286 chip and putting silicon grease between the chip and the heatsink. It has been going now for several hours. Thanks anyway, folks. Cheers Charlie Fox

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by rcini＠email.msn.com

On 03 Sep 1998 18:16:16 -0700, Frank McConnell <fmc(a)reanimators.org> wrote: > One of my other projects is tracing-down IMSAI intellectual property. > IMS sold out to Fischer-Freitas Corp. some time around 1979. My attorneys > are looking into this now; we're retrieving the court docket from the > bankruptcy court in Southern California. >>Heh. Have you read _Once Upon a Time in ComputerLand_ by Jonathan >>Littman (I think)? If not, you should. I'll try to locate a copy. This is all part of learning about a particular computer line...I was about 11 at the time, so my focus was on playing in the park, not computers. Thanks for the input. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin/CW7 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

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Toshiba 3100e/40, locks up??

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

Just received a pair of 3100e/40's. One seems ok, the other will boot ok but after about four minutes the screen will freeze and the keyboard will become completely inoperative. Turning it off and on results in three or four bright vertical lines on the screen and no other activity. Turning it off for twenty minutes or so results in it booting up normally as above. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to start? Regards Charlie Fox

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old characters (was: magazines)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

yea, i have an old compute! magazine that had a write-up about him. his game was some strategy scenario with the us<->ussr or something like that. he was talking about the future of gaming. In a message dated 9/3/98 7:45:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sinasohn(a)ricochet.net writes: > Speaking of characters, btw, anyone know what ever happened to Chris > Crawford? He wrote some really popular game for the Atari 8-bit computers, > then went on to develop a hit game for the Mac (something about running the > world or something? Sorry, I was never really into games.) He was another > neat person. A physicist turned programmer

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Richard A. Cini, Jr." <rcini(a)email.msn.com> wrote: > One of my other projects is tracing-down IMSAI intellectual property. > IMS sold out to Fischer-Freitas Corp. some time around 1979. My attorneys > are looking into this now; we're retrieving the court docket from the > bankruptcy court in Southern California. Heh. Have you read _Once Upon a Time in ComputerLand_ by Jonathan Littman (I think)? If not, you should. At one point (before 1979) Bill Millard was pursuing an income-sheltering scheme that involved selling IMS to a south-of-the-border company that would liquidate it, then sell its intellectual property to yet another company located on the Isle of Jersey. Said third company would license the intellectual property back to IMSAI Manufacturing Corp. which would make and sell computers. IMSAI Manufacturing Corp. would pay a licensing fee; the third company would pay Millard royalties. I gathered this was never really completed, but Millard ended up going to some effort in an attempt to put things back the way they were, un-incorporating the old IMS Associates Inc. and IMSAI Manufacturing Corp. to release the names, and incorporating new ones of each. Also I thought that it was IMSAI Manufacturing Corp. that filed for bankruptcy and presumably sold its assets to Fischer-Freitas. IMS Associates was (I think) still the parent of both IMSAI Manufacturing Corp. and ComputerLand. Or maybe I don't understand it at all, IANAL. If you'd like to explain it to me I'd appreciate it. -Frank McConnell

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by rcini＠email.msn.com

Hans: >>Did you talk to them ? Their website (http://www.gmtme.com/index.html) >>presents only a few new products - noting of the old stuff. No, I did not. I got the impression that the intellectual property associated with the old MOS stuff remained with the bankruptcy estate. GMT only purchased certain inventory on hand (probably wafers, etching chemicals, etc.) > The non-CSG assets stayed with Escom until they filed for receivership > (bankruptcy), in 1996. The assets were then sold to a Netherlands-based > company (Commodore NL??), who then sold the Amiga assets to Gateway (the > Holstein cow people). I don't think that anyone truly knows who owns the old > 8-bit assets. Commodore NL sells PeeCee compatible machines under the > Commodore name, so I'd bank on Gateway owning them. If anyone on this list > knows anyone at Gateway, now may be the time to use the relationship. >>I think this is a formidable example for all our old (pre 1980) toys - Almost all of the small (and >>even some of the big) manufactiurers/designers have vanished. So who owns the design, >>the ROM code, the spechial chip designs, the manuals and any other soft ? One of my other projects is tracing-down IMSAI intellectual property. IMS sold out to Fischer-Freitas Corp. some time around 1979. My attorneys are looking into this now; we're retrieving the court docket from the bankruptcy court in Southern California. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin/CW7 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

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Looking for a rack...

by sethm＠loomcom.com

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Osborne 1 boot disk needed.

by scott＠isd.canberra.edu.au

Thanks to the advice on restoring my rained-on Osborne 1 (especially from Tony Duell - thanks Tony), it is now up and running, and asking for a boot disk, which of course I haven't got. Is there any way to create a boot disk from an image, and if so where can I find such an image? I'm pretty sure my Osborne has a double-density controller (it is the blue version, and the floppy drives appear to be plugged into a daughterboard). I addition to a PC with a 360K floppy drive, I have a copy of Sybex's 22disk and a copy of a much earlier program called ALIEN.COM, both of which can read and write CP/M disks in a variety of formats. (BTW, does anyone have a version of ALIEN.COM later than 1.0Fj?) I also have a Commodore 128D, plus external 1571 and 1581 drives, and I've found a CP/M program called Jugg'ler-128, which is supposed to allow reading and writing of around 140 different CP/M formats (including, it seems, Osborne 1 single-density). So given these resources, is it possible for me to create an Osborne 1 boot disk? I understand that I can get one (for a small fee) from the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives via Don Maslin, but this involves getting the disk shipped halfway around the world, not to mention the added complication of getting a few Australian dollars converted into (even fewer) US dollars. Also, is it possible to get images of the other disks that originally came with the Osborne 1 (Wordstar et al)? Are there any licensing issues with this? I would have thought that, since the programs came with the machine originally, owning the machine would imply having a license, but I'm sure things are more complicated than that. Thanks in advance. | Scott McLauchlan |E-Mail: scott(a)cts.canberra.edu.au | | Network Services Team |Phone : +61 2 6201 5544 (Ext.5544)| | Client Services Division |Post : University of Canberra, | | University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA | ACT, 2601, AUSTRALIA. |

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OT RE: BLAM, BLAM, BLAM! ;]

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 8/27/98 9:03:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk writes: > > The Unimat (it's still being made) is a nice machine, but IMHO a little > small for the sort of things that I'm likely to need.... > i really dread continuing this off topic discussion, but american science and surplus (sciplus.com) sells the unimat 1 for $300. is it any good? i had a friend who had one in grade school, but i dont think he ever did anything with it. i can imagine it could come in handy for turning small parts, computer related and otherwise.

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by fmc＠reanimators.org

Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> wrote (after me): > >IANAL. > > OK, this has got to be the worst acronym yet. Are you describing your > personality, are you trying to tell us that you're not a lawyer, or > what? Well, when I typed it I was thinking "I Am Not A Lawyer", but as long as you're asking I'll answer "all of the above." -Frank McConnell

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Osborne 01 computer smoked..

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I have an old WANG WLTC that a Cap will explode if is left plugged in for more than a minute without the battery in it. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Osborne 01 computer smoked.. > Date: Thursday, September 03, 1998 9:15 PM > > > Has anyone else had this problem with old computers befor..? > > I've seen a Tektronix terminal where all the mains filter capacitors > exploded but the terminal was otherwise fine. No idea why... > > -tony >

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Chain of ownership (was KIM/MOS-Tech)

by rcini＠email.msn.com

To Sam and any others: > Also, who owns the rights to the Altair 8800 now? Percom? ICOM? Ed > Roberts? What happened after all the buyouts and bakruptcies? I'll do some research on this if someone can give me a complete chain of ownership (as far as anyone knows), approximate dates, addresses, any notes on bankruptcies, etc. My attorneys are alyaws looking for interesting projects :-) Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin/CW7 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

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hitachi cd-rom drivers

by manney＠lrbcg.com

I do, I think. Lemme check. >Someone here mentioned a few days ago that he had the drivers >for a hitachi cd-rom drive. Does anyone remember who it was? I want to >test this thing before shipping it.

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:04 PM 9/2/98 PDT, you wrote: >These days, but I think 1983 is a little different. And if a book is >successfull, why wouldn't they think about a second edition. The >compelling reason to save a floppy version is that they might want >to go back and edit something. If you wrote a book in 1983, had the second edition in 85, then they discontinued the 8-bit ataris. Now it's 1995, you're moving, and you've got this box with an old atari and a bunch of disks. You look at the Pentium PC on your desk, reminisce for a few moments, laugh, and toss it on the trash pile. With your original manuscript disks. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 12:04 PM 9/2/98 PDT, you wrote: >if an author is proud of his book, he won't trash the manuscripts. Not necessarily. He may have hundreds of the printed copy, and not think that the original manuscript, on an 8-bit Atari floppy, for example, is worth keeping around. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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old computers

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 06:49 PM 8/31/98 -0700, you wrote: >Marvin, this came out as an unviewable HTML and PLAIN text document on my >end that PINE's external viewer couldn't handle. When I replied it came Eudora assumes it's an attachment and puts it in a file; I end up with hundreds of stupid little files called "reoldcom" or whatever. PITA. >this problem of posting their messages in HTML. I think you guys should >be able to configure your mail program to send only unencoded plain text. On the other hand, this particular Marvin (not the one we're used to) is a) probably a CPA and thus perhaps not truly computer literate (why else would he be dumping perfectly good 486's?) and b) not subscribed to the list, so unless you BCC'ed him, he didn't get it. (Probably wouldn't get it anyway.) Keep in mind, folks, that the list is echoed to a web site. If someone does a search on, say, "Altair", they're going to find several of the pages with list messages. They'll then send a message to the address listed (the list) asking how much their Altair is worth, or what have you. Probably without checking the date, btw, which is why we occasionally see messages like "I see you are searching for a rare commodore 64 power supply; I can sell you one for $199 plus shipping" when no one's been looking for a C PS for months. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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old characters (was: magazines)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 06:30 PM 8/31/98 -0400, you wrote: >Max Eskin wrote: >> >> Who _is_ Jerry Pournelle? > >Columnist in Byte, "The User's Column", later renamed "Computing ... >good science fiction writer and half of the best science fiction Well, I'm not so crazy about him as a sf writer, but I did feel that his columns in Byte did well in showing, in a way that a techie could understand, what it was like for a user to be confronted with new technology. Nearly ran him down one time, though, on my skateboard, because I was busy checking out his wife. 8^) Wasn't (isn't) she a expert in special ed or something like that? I remember him; he (99.99%) probably doesn't remember me. But love him or hate him, he was a fascinating character. Not sure if he claimed it outright or just alluded to it, but I always got the impression he had been a spy or something in the 50's/60's. Any truth to that? Speaking of characters, btw, anyone know what ever happened to Chris Crawford? He wrote some really popular game for the Atari 8-bit computers, then went on to develop a hit game for the Mac (something about running the world or something? Sorry, I was never really into games.) He was another neat person. A physicist turned programmer. Lastly, anyone know whatever happened to the local San Francisco BBS Newsbase and its denizens? --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Booting up and LSI 11/23

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>17400 can't be a disk address... The physical address range for I/O >BTW - what sort of DEC disk do your disks emulate? That would help >in being able to tell you what address you could twiddle with, and >what toggle-in boot code to try... 174400 is the RL02, and it's vaguely possible that this is the CSR he meant to type. He describes the disk packs as being Diablos, and RL02 packs do have the same form factor. But if this were the case, then the device he should be trying to boot from would be DL0:, not the DK0: he's been trying so far. 177400 is the RK05, and this is possible too. Of course, we've so little information that this is all just shooting in the wind! ----- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology Voice: 301-767-5917 7328 Bradley Blvd Fax: 301-767-5927 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817

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apple2GS wave keyboard

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Hi gang. Just to let you know, the Adesso TruForm (AEK-606) wave style keyboard works great with the apple2GS. For those of you like me with big hands and wrists that don't like bending sideways during typing, this thing is a godsend. US$89.95 at CompUSA, probably cheaper in MacMall. -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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HTML in email (fwd)

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

This is not relevant to vintage computers but it is relevant to people who, unbeknownst to them, are sending HTML in their e-mail. Hope it helps someone. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 08/25/98] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 19:45:55 +0000 From: Mark <mark_k(a)iname.com> To: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> Subject: HTML in email Anyway, here are some instructions on how to turn off this mis-feature. Telling senders of HTML messages how to do this will allow them to turn the HTML off. Regards, -- Mark Knibbs mark_k(a)iname.com Removing HTML from Internet Mail and Outlook Express. ===================================================== Internet Mail ------------- Go to the Mail menu, select Options. This brings up a set of tabs. The first tab is marked Send. Near the bottom of this is a section Mail Sending Format. There are two bullet holes (radio buttons), set this to Plain Text instead of HTML. Outlook Express --------------- Go to the Tools menu and select Options. click the second tab which is marked Send. Here you have both mail sending format and news sending format. For both put the bullet point next to Plain text and not HTML.

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Booting up and LSI 11/23

by mbg＠world.std.com

>The drives are Diablo 30 drives, and the disks (there are several), are >marked PDP-11 system disk, and PDP-11 Backup disk. The previous owner >told me when I picked them up, that they should boot. Last night, I tried >playing around with it again, and tried to access the disk status >register (round about 17400(8) from memory, but I'm at work just now and >it was late last night, so my terrible memory can't be sure...). It >seemed to contain 000000 (from typing @17400/). :( Which doesn't, as far >as I can tell from the assorted docs, look to promising for the state >drive. 17400 can't be a disk address... The physical address range for I/O page addresses is 17760000-17777776. On some machines this can be shortened to 760000-777776, and on some, even further to 160000-177776. (Though if you are referencing the I/O page from within a program, you must use a 16-bit value in the range 160000-177776, and the memory management must either be off, or setup such that the mapping registers for that range point to the actual I/O page). Have you examined memory beginning at 0 to see if there has been any code actually loaded from the disk? (Deposit something like zero or 177777 in a bunch of locations beginning at address 0, and after trying to boot, check those addresses... if they are different from what you entered, then that might indicate the disk has actually done something) BTW - what sort of DEC disk do your disks emulate? That would help in being able to tell you what address you could twiddle with, and what toggle-in boot code to try... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Digest?

by ab594＠sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca

Is this list available in digest format? If so - how does one subscribe?

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Booting up and LSI 11/23

by gim＠hitec-uk.com

Tim, The drives are Diablo 30 drives, and the disks (there are several), are marked PDP-11 system disk, and PDP-11 Backup disk. The previous owner told me when I picked them up, that they should boot. Last night, I tried playing around with it again, and tried to access the disk status register (round about 17400(8) from memory, but I'm at work just now and it was late last night, so my terrible memory can't be sure...). It seemed to contain 000000 (from typing @17400/). :( Which doesn't, as far as I can tell from the assorted docs, look to promising for the state drive. An other potential problem is that I believe a clock pulse was generated by a CAMAC crate attatched to it. I've got the crate, but cannot attatch it at present because it needs a 110V supply, and I don't have my 110V transformer just now. My house is a 240V only zone at the moment, or at least as long as these machines stop tripping the surge detector!. I need to install a more forgiving fuse box. Thanks for your help. Grant >>at $ prompt type in drive name >> >> $ DK0 > >What sort of media are you actually trying to boot? Why do you think >it's got a valid boot-block? > >>It now takes me back to the @ prompt. >>Type in 0g >> >> @0g >> >>and I get 000002 back. >>I'm assuming that the '2' I get back is an error of some sort. Can anyone >>shed any light >>on this one for me. > >Nope, it's not an error - it's the address the CPU stopped at. It's >certainly the case that at address 0, there's a "HALT" instruction >(i.e. the contents are zero.) This is very possibly because the boot >block you read into location 0 was all zeroes - i.e. not a boot block >at all.

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HE HE HE

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

C'mon guys, be nice. It's probably someone doing a school report or something. www.chac.org/chhistpg.htm has plenty of links to pictures. Try the PDP ftp archives, they have some good pics. >I have a nice 10MB file of a PDP-1...should I send it to her? ;) > > > > >> Please send me a imagen of minicomputers > > >........................................................................ > > @ > / > / Shift Lever > (D)/ >\===================================== @ ================ Floor Plan === >BNL |- - -Phase Shifter- - - -|--/ Get Wired! >- ------------]=[]@----------------------@ 415.276.4979 >Trans- ] ]](A) Toll Free 1.888.208.6655 (B) ? (C) Rear Connection >mission ]]]]]]]]]]]]Driveshaft]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] > ] ]] >71 ------------] web superstation of the stars... >van burnham http://www.futuraworld.com >production manager >wired 520 third street fourth floor san francisco ca 94107 united states >........................................................................ >for immediate emergency wireless access send email to van-page(a)wired.com >van(a)wired.com van(a)futuraworld.com pingpong(a)spy.net vanburnham(a)aol.com > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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No subject

by esther95＠gro1.telmex.net.mx

Please send me a imagen of minicomputers

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PT SOL Arrives

by workapulo＠my-dejanews.com

Well, my new (old) PT SOL machine showed up (after nearly being lost by UPS) last night. Of all the classic machines I have gathered, this one was by far the best kept of the bunch. Bob Stek, the docs showed up (thank you) the same time. How nice :) Tony -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums

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TI Compact Computer 40

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

>So what is it? Any model number on the machine? >Francois The model is Compact Computer 40, abbreviated as CC40. It's a small 9 X 5.5 " unit, gray, with a full keyboard including numeric keypad, and a one-line 30-character display. It has 8k RAM and 2k ROM (I think) and BASIC and a monitor in ROM. A cartridge port, HEXBUS port for plugging in cool stuff which I don't have (like a tape drive), and AC adapter port. Runs on 4 AA batteries. Has lots of math functions as well. Comes with a manual, mostly about BASIC, and anothe r book called 'Learn BASIC: A guide to programming the TI CC40' It's made in 1983. There is an ad for it that runs '20 pages of notes, a thesis, algebraic formulas. Can you make a date at eight? Turn to your TI Compact Computer. By 7:14 your TI CC40(tm) has your notes filed, the changes made in your thesis, and all those formulas worked. The CC-40 goes where you go -- the classroom, library, anywhere. It's cordless, compact, sophisticated. It gives you much of the problem solving power of Apple or IBM personal computers. But it's a fraction of the size and price..." the ad goes on to say 6K RAM, 34K ROM, which doesn't agree with my manual. This thing runs at 2.5 Mhz,BTW. So, if anyone has any cartridges or accessories (that tape drive sure looks nice!) that they would be willing to sell/trade/give to me... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Anybody want this stuff?

by museum＠techniche.com

Hi Scott, Just checking whether you're still trying to sort things out or what not? Regards, Jon >Jon Healey wrote: >> >> Hi Scott, >> >> I think I'd be interested in the xerox and the Amstrad. >> Are they spoken for yet? >> >> Where are you located? I'm in NH. >> > >Neither are claimed at the moment. In the case of the Xerox, it has a >lot of documentation and will be quite heavy to ship I think. Give a >couple of days to sort out the stuff and I will be back in touch with >you. > >I am located in Rocky Mount, NC. > > > > >Thanks, > >Kirk Scott >scottk5(a)ibm.net >

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LCD update

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

All is OK! Even the power supply is quiet now. I think it may have been squealing only when the full load wasn't being drawn (I had both drives disconnected) and only for a few seconds after power-up. Anyway, the problem with the LCD panel was really nothing. The new connector simply needed to mate with longer pins to make proper contact. The pins at the back of the LCD panel were long enough, but the ones inside the machine were not. I ground down the connector a little bit and it works now. I also fully disassembled the casing to get at the variable resistor that controls the "contrast", because it was so dirty that I couldn't get a stable picture at all. I used an aerosol contact cleaner on it. I did find a loose paperclip during the disassembly. Hopefully it didn't do any damage while it was in there. The picture is now stable and clear. I used to get corrupted characters and strange lines on the display at seemingly random times, but I used the machine for at least six hours straight tonight and it never came back. The screen also used to be sensitive to movement and its position, and now it doesn't care if I grab it and flip it up while I'm using it. I'm guessing that several other wires were in the process of working loose. The screen is just naturally hard to read, but not nearly as hard as it was. The contrast has to be adjusted according to the user's viewpoint, and it's not always possible to clearly see the whole screen at once (especially up close). At some contrast settings, dark patches appear on the screen. Also, areas of the screen react to what is being displayed on other areas with a kind of ghosting, which can be a little distracting when the contents of the screen are busy. I'm guessing that this is normal for this technology. One really cool thing is that the characters appear to "float" on the screen. I think I can confirm a 1988 date for both construction and purchase. Most of the parts with identifiable date stamps that I looked at had date stamps of late '87 or the first few weeks of '88. Also, the contents of the hard drive which I never inspected very thoroughly (because of the screen) included personal and business (including many local businesses that I know) tax records from 1987 through to 1991. And yes, I did delete files of that nature as I found them. There were approximately 16MB worth of accounting files, and only software that would be useful in accounting, so clearly this was an accountant's machine. I'm a bit disturbed by the implications of finding such information at a garage sale. There is something strange about the display, BTW. It has externally-accessible dip switches. Four of them. And there's a note taped inside the panel that certain pieces of software require a certain switch setting. I attempted to install GeoWorks 1.00 and found that its installation program is one of the programs that needs that switch setting. :/ And no, I didn't get GeoWorks running, because I don't have a PC-compatible mouse. :/ (I picked up GeoWorks at the Goodwill this week.) Anyway, I'm still up because I've been watching the news all night. <shudder> Had it not been for that, I probably would have reported back with my success a lot sooner. Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca http://alcor.concordia.ca/~ds_spenc/

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by franke＠sbs.de

>> In terms of copyright there is no thing like >> 'lost ownership' Copyright (and other intelectual >> property) is always originated by natural persons, >> And if any kind of licencee (company, temopral owner) >> is closed and no legal successor is available the rights >> return to the original Author/Inventor. > What happens if the author/inventor dies? It comes to inheritance. In fact, even copyright vanishes, but not before at least 50 Years. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by franke＠sbs.de

>>>if an author is proud of his book, he won't trash the manuscripts. >>Such grave pronouncements. You might as well argue that they >>shouldn't throw away their drafts. Fact is, they do. Once the >>book is in print, they've got a real copy. What compelling >>reason did he have to save the old floppy version? It's not >>as if he thought there was any demand for a second edition. >>Computer books come and go in six weeks these days. > These days, but I think 1983 is a little different. And if a book is > successfull, why wouldn't they think about a second edition. The > compelling reason to save a floppy version is that they might want > to go back and edit something. First, not everybody is collecting everything :) Second, for a sequent edition you will use the medias from the publisher, or jur write the changes in one copy and give it to the publisher (And if you're very successful, you just tell him via phone wat to change :). Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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BLAM, BLAM, BLAM!- Prototypes

by russmiller＠jps.net

Dave Hick's fantastic HP calculator museum has an interesting page and images of design studies and prototypes of a few HP desktop calculators which illustrate how realistic some prototyping methods can be. http://www.teleport.com/~dgh/designs/designs.htm > >As for computer cases, early models were probably handmade; it's not that >hard. Take a run to your local Tap Plastics store. You can pick up all >kinds/sizes of plastics that can then be made into just about anything. >Also, model car/plane/boat shops probably have stuff to let you work with >plastics. > >Even metal cases aren't that hard; I have a friend who built, as one of his >first projects, an amazing set of cabinets/shelves for his Land Rover out >of aluminum. Some simple tools are required, but nothing earth-shattering. > >I was talking to someone recently (Rax?) about building a custom >wood-glass-and-brass case for a computer. Not that hard to build your >first one in a plywood case, then worry about the production cases once >you've got financing. (Of course, just make sure that cable going to the >vax behind the curtain doesn't show! 8^) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- O- > >Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad >roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." >Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates >San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ > > >

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OT RE: BLAM, BLAM, BLAM! ;]

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 02:31 PM 8/26/98 PDT, you wrote: >Curious. Same goes for people who aren't in a large company and >invent various other things. How did he 'invent' a gun without >owning the necessary tools (at least I doubt a magazine writer would >own this stuff) to process metal? Also, how did Woz make a case for >the Apple ][, etc? Are there companies that take single orders >like this? Well, reloading is a popular sport -- you take used cartridges, cast your own bullets (heat metal, pour into molds), and combine them with as much gunpowder as you like. Modifying the casing wouldn't be too hard, I imagine for anyone with any basic metalworking skills, nor would altering the bullet mold. As for computer cases, early models were probably handmade; it's not that hard. Take a run to your local Tap Plastics store. You can pick up all kinds/sizes of plastics that can then be made into just about anything. Also, model car/plane/boat shops probably have stuff to let you work with plastics. Even metal cases aren't that hard; I have a friend who built, as one of his first projects, an amazing set of cabinets/shelves for his Land Rover out of aluminum. Some simple tools are required, but nothing earth-shattering. I was talking to someone recently (Rax?) about building a custom wood-glass-and-brass case for a computer. Not that hard to build your first one in a plywood case, then worry about the production cases once you've got financing. (Of course, just make sure that cable going to the vax behind the curtain doesn't show! 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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TI Compact Computer 40

by fauradon＠pclink.com

So what is it? Any model number on the machine? Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the desperately in need of update Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon -----Original Message----- From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 3:05 PM Subject: Re: TI Compact Computer 40 > > > > >I said it was _like_ a model 100, not an actual 100. It's very >different, but the idea is similar.

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LCD woes

by fauradon＠pclink.com

I remember some laptop that had a special key combination to switch from LCD to external monitor. You could not have both at the same time. Look for extra feature keys (usually accessed by pressing a special FN key). Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the desperately in need of update Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Rutledge <ecloud(a)goodnet.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 7:00 PM Subject: Re: LCD woes >> Anyway, the machine has a special card in it for driving the LCD panel. >> It is labeled "LCD & HGC CARD". What is "HGC"? It has an external 9-pin > >Probably "Hercules Graphics Card" - Hercules made the original >mono graphics card that was cloned a lot and most cards for driving >mono monitors are that variety. It gives you 720 x 4?? dots >with each pixel being on or off. As well as being compatible >with the original IBM PC mono video card (which had only text mode). >It does use a 9-pin connector. > >> port on it and I tried plugging the monochrome display into it, but the >> picture was all distorted so I figured it was using a different frequency >> or something. The cursor comes out about an inch wide, and none of the >> craracters are recognizable, possibly just from overwritten numerous times >> in the same scanline. > >Hmmm are you sure the monitor is OK? >> >> Oh, and BTW, I electrocuted myself last night when I touched some exposed >> wiring going to the LCD panel. It surprised me that there was that much > >Is it backlit? Fluorescent backlights use relatively high voltage. > >-- > _______ KB7PWD @ KC7Y.AZ.US.NOAM ecloud(a)goodnet.com > (_ | |_) Shawn T. Rutledge on the web: http://www.goodnet.com/~ecloud > __) | | \__________________________________________________________________ >* X window * virtual reality * knowledge base * ham radio * electronics * >

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Deja vu

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

I see another rocket has blown up. Looks like it's time to break out those desk top analog computers that got us into space the first time. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery Sunnyvale,CA http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum "This instrument can teach, it can illuminate; Yes,and it can even inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise it is merely lights and wires in a box." - Micro68 computer User's Manual,EPA Inc. 1976 =========================================

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FREE to a good home (you pay shipping)- Terminals

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

FREE (yup, just shipping is all) to a good home....temrinals! One, two or all. 1 - DEC model VT100, no keyboard but great shape and working. About 32 lbs shipping weight 2 - Visual model 102 complete with keyboard, great shape and working. About 35 lbs shipping 3 - Texas Instruments model 911VDT, no keyboard. Great shape and working. About 28 lbs shipping NOTE....They go to that terrible place that many other unwanted machines go soon - the DUMPSTER OF DEATH if I don't get a firm response before long. I've held back >from dumping them as I know someone out there has a use for one or all of them. Shipping will be calculated by USPS parcel post rates from me in zip 40144 to you and prepayment by money order or cashier's check is required. I will ship the same or next day as I recieve payment. If you want any of these contact me by direct email SOON. ___________________________________________________ Russ Blakeman Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 ___________________________________________________

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>> In terms of copyright there is no thing like >> 'lost ownership' Copyright (and other intelectual >> property) is always originated by natural persons, >> And if any kind of licencee (company, temopral owner) >> is closed and no legal successor is available the rights >> return to the original Author/Inventor. > >What happens if the author/inventor dies? I just went through a huge ordeal similiar to this in trying to get Resnova's NovaServer (BBS server) put into the public domain. The following, of course, does not constitute legal advice. ;-) To quote Peter E. Converse: ---Start Quote--- When you say that ResNova "no longer exists in any way shape or form", that may mean several different things. It may mean that ResNova has gone through a Chapter 7 bankruptcy liquidation, that its corporate charter has been allowed to lapse, or merely that its operations have been abandoned. Each of these possibilities leads to several different outcomes. First, if ResNova is bankrupt, any intellectual property (like NovaServer) would pass temporarily through the hands of a bankruptcy trustee, receiver or debtor-in-possession. Then, this person probably would have attempted to sell this intellectual property to satisfy the debts of the company. If ResNova is still going through a bankruptcy, you could contact the trustee or receiver by checking federal Bankruptcy records. Second, if ResNova's corporate charter has been allowed to lapse (which is what I think you mean, if I had to bet), that corporation still owns the intellectual property in question, even though it no longer exists under the laws of the state of incorporation (subject to my comments about abandonment below). You might be able to arrange to purchase or license the IP by contacting the officers of the company. To find out who they are, you could contact the Secretary of State of the state in which Resnova was originally incorporated. This would probably be the State of its primary operations, or, alternatively, Delaware, NY or Calif. Any Secretary of State will tell you, over the phone, the name of the registered agent (prob an attorney or officer of the company) who could help you arrange a purchase or license. Third, if ResNova's shareholders, officers, directors and creditors have all disappeared, you might be able to treat this intellectual property as having been "abandoned." Unfortunately, if you do so, you may be subjecting yourself to legal liability for unlicensed use of the IP in the event that any of these folks turn up later. The burden in court would be placed on you to prove that you made a rigorous effort to find the owners and that they really had abandoned the asset. I would suggest making thorough investigations as described in the above two paragraphs before simply assuming that the asset has been abandoned. Of course, you should understand that this information is merely general and is not legal advice rendered as to specific facts. You should probably consult an attorney before taking any actions in this matter. Let me know if I can be of any further assistance. I represent a number of software developers, consultants, consumer product marketers and IT professionals. Good Luck. Peter E. Converse The Law Offices of Peter E. Converse 8 South Michigan Avenue Suite 2600 Chicago, Illinois 60603 (312) 214-0661 (312) 332-0600 Fax convers(a)interaccess.com ---End Quote--- -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

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re RAMs

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

For anyone who was wondering, those RAM chips I was offering for free found a home in a computer at the Red Cross courtesy of Russ. Thanks. Beats the heck out of throwing them out. :) -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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WORLD OF ATARI '98...WALKING THROUGH THE PARK AND REMINISCING

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 07:29 PM 8/25/98 -0700, you wrote: >You bet I was there...what an incredible time! It was a >fantastic event and well worth enduring the 110? heat! Cool! Next Saturday our local Atari club meeting will be centered around stories from the folks that went. >Don Thomas has posted an excellent account Saw that and a couple of others; it did sound like fun! >I myself will be posting pictures as soon as they are scanned... Excellent! Let us know when they're up! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by franke＠sbs.de

>>> (Caveat: until someone comes forward to claim legitimate ownership.) >> Jup, but acording to your ridiculous justice this means >> bancrupcy for the next 3 generation to anyon of 'Us'. > Not necessarily. I think some of this old technology could arguably be > considered in the public domain, with companies having folded, owners > having died, etc. Case in point: the IMSAI 8080. I think whatever > vestiges of ownership of the IMSAI 8080 have been lost to time after the > transformation into ComputerLand, the subsequent bankruptcy and then the > re-birth of ComputerLand as Vanguard. This is what I gather after having > read the book _Once Upon a Time in Computerland_. In terms of copyright there is no thing like 'lost ownership' Copyright (and other intelectual property) is always originated by natural persons, And if any kind of licencee (company, temopral owner) is closed and no legal successor is available the rights return to the original Author/Inventor. > Also, who owns the rights to the Altair 8800 now? Percom? ICOM? Ed > Roberts? WHat happened after all the buyouts and bakruptcies? Don't know, but they are not free. Sad but true. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

These days, but I think 1983 is a little different. And if a book is successfull, why wouldn't they think about a second edition. The compelling reason to save a floppy version is that they might want to go back and edit something. >>if an author is proud of his book, he won't trash the manuscripts. > >Such grave pronouncements. You might as well argue that they >shouldn't throw away their drafts. Fact is, they do. Once the >book is in print, they've got a real copy. What compelling >reason did he have to save the old floppy version? It's not >as if he thought there was any demand for a second edition. >Computer books come and go in six weeks these days. > >- John > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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TI Compact Computer 40

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I said it was _like_ a model 100, not an actual 100. It's very different, but the idea is similar. >Yes the RS-232 is fully complient.. I use mine all the time.. >Goto www.TRS-80.com you will find out all you need there.. >Even a Model 100 user's club on the internet.. > >Phil... > >Max Eskin wrote: >> >> I was just given one. It's a little Tand Model 100-like thing, it >> came with a user's guide and some kind of book for learning BASIC. >> Unfortunately, the manual is rather selective. Could someone tell me >> if I can use the serial port on the back for RS-232 communications, >> and what are the pin equivalents? If not, is there any kind of >> modification that could be made? Also, does anyone have any software >> cartridges for it they would be willing to send me? What is assembly >> like for this processor? Does anyone have any comments about it? >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

if an author is proud of his book, he won't trash the manuscripts. > >On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, John Foust wrote: > >> who've since tossed their floppies with the original manuscript. >> Without this, we're back to scanning and OCR and proofreading. >> They'd thought that absolutely no one was interested. For example, >> Sheldon Leemon, author of "Mapping the C-64", tossed his old Atari >> floppies that had held his manuscript. > >This is something I hadn't considered. The authors of some of the most >classic of computer books (I could name a bunch of Apple ones, like >_Benath Apple DOS_ for one) should be contacted and asked to hold onto >their original manuscripts if they still have them. While it wouldn't be >a total loss if they are thrown out, since at least the book survives in >thousands of coipies, it would be nice to have the original manuscript >around in digital form to be preserved for millenia. > >I wonder if this is something we could turn into a concerted effort, a >drive to root out old computer book authors, or if anyone is really >interested. > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ever onward. > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 08/25/98] > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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LCD woes

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

HGC _could_ stand for Hercules Graphics Controller. I don't know. The display... are you sure you haven't shorted anything with solder? Have you tried using a VOM in O mode to directly stimulate the display? Touching it to various pins should get various lines to appear. >'fixing' my portable '286 box with LCD display (which I think is _barely_ >classic). > >The cable leading to the display had had three of its wires pulled out, >and I figured that this was the reason for the very weak and grungy >display. > >I managed to solder little bits of wire into the holes and solder the >stray wires from the cable onto those, but then I realized that I couldn't >plug the thing in anymore as the holes (from the underside) had filled >with solder. :/ > >And I also realized that my solution was a bad one because the protruding >wires would short against the metal frame that holds the LCD panel in >place. > >So I used the connector from the C64 keyboard instead. > >Anyway, I got the cable rebuilt. I've tested it with the multimeter and >all the wires make contact and go to the right places. > >But now I can't get any kind of display from the LCD panel. It doesn't >light up at all. It looks like it's totally dead. > >I put a monochrome display adapter card in the machine, and it will boot >up with that and display fine on a monochrome monitor. So the machine is >_mostly_ OK. > >I'm not sure the power supply is OK, though. It squeals now. > >So basically, I've turned an ill-looking display into a dead display, and >for some reason a healthy power supply is now sounding sick. > >Bleah! > >Anyway, the machine has a special card in it for driving the LCD panel. >It is labeled "LCD & HGC CARD". What is "HGC"? It has an external 9-pin >port on it and I tried plugging the monochrome display into it, but the >picture was all distorted so I figured it was using a different frequency >or something. The cursor comes out about an inch wide, and none of the >craracters are recognizable, possibly just from overwritten numerous times >in the same scanline. > >I don't know where I'll go from here. I'm just taking a breather >before continuing. I wanted to be rebuilding the TS1016 RAM pack by now >instead of still messing with this damn PC. <s> > >Oh, and BTW, I electrocuted myself last night when I touched some exposed >wiring going to the LCD panel. It surprised me that there was that much >juice going through there. My thumb and forefinger are still tender. But >the display was still working at that point, and looking much sharper than >it had been. But the machine wouldn't close up properly because the >connector was too thick and that's why I went back in today, just to >reverse the cable so that the big fat Commodore connector was on the >inside instead of on the LCD panel end. (Which meant pulling the connector >apart and rebuilding it the other way, just so it would fit in.) > >I haven't crossed any wires, I haven't plugged anything in backwards, and >I haven't dropped anything into the machine, so I don't know what I've >done wrong. > ><s> > > >Doug Spence >ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca >http://alcor.concordia.ca/~ds_spenc/ > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Also, who owns the rights to the Altair 8800 now? Percom? ICOM? Ed >Roberts? WHat happened after all the buyouts and bakruptcies? Which rights? The name? The design? The PC board layouts? The documentation? I would think the only things left to worry about are the name and any copyrights that might exist on the PC artwork. I doubt the actual design is protected at all - it's almost exactly what you'd get if you just took one of the Intel 8080A databooks and copied the CPU implementation. Why would anybody want to make an exact clone of the original design anyway? A couple months after the introduction of the Altair there were hundreds of garage-based businesses selling much better designed S-100 CPU's and peripherals! ----- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology Voice: 301-767-5917 7328 Bradley Blvd Fax: 301-767-5927 Bethesda, MD, USA 2081

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TI-74 / PC-234 Problem

by mbg＠world.std.com

I also have a TI-74, with all of the rom cartridges, and the PC interface... I have not yet bought the printer for it... If you use AltaVista search for "TI-74", you should get the TI web site, which will point you to another site, which is where I actually purchased the stuff from. I also got some manuals on the TI-74... they have RAM cartridges, ROM cartridges, the printer, the TI->PC interface (and software) and some other stuff as well. They also have stuff for the TI-95 (ProCalc) Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by franke＠sbs.de

>>>Us. >>>(Caveat: until someone comes forward to claim legitimate ownership.) > There are one possible way, but it isn't very safe - see below. Addendum: I'm not a lawyer - just some publishing knowledge. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by franke＠sbs.de

>>Us. >>(Caveat: until someone comes forward to claim legitimate ownership.) > I wonder if there is legal precedent that might establish a reasonable > level of due diligence to determine that a copyright asset has indeed > been abandoned, and a legitimate method by which someone else could > be considered at least allowed to reproduce it but perhaps not claim > ownership of it. In short, a process to follow that would establish > that something is on its way to becoming public domain. Without > preservation now, the asset might be truly lost. There are one possible way, but it isn't very safe - see below. > For example, I've contacted several authors of early computer books > who've since tossed their floppies with the original manuscript. > Without this, we're back to scanning and OCR and proofreading. > They'd thought that absolutely no one was interested. For example, > Sheldon Leemon, author of "Mapping the C-64", tossed his old Atari > floppies that had held his manuscript. Just loosing _one_ media doesn't mean loosing copyright. If one wants to get rid of his rights, he has to proclam this in a prominent and usefull manner - like anouncing it in a state publication or any kind of aprobiate publication. Like puting an anouncement in a sourcefile. It's exactly the reverse way as claiming an title for a book or movie - If you want to avoide that someone else will use a title of a planned book, you have to anounce it in a aprobiate manner - i.e. in Germay you till put an add in the 'Boersenblatt des Deutschen Buchhandels' - a 'news'paper for publishing companies and book traders. For this case (reprinting a book), there are two and a half steps to perform: First try to get knowledge of the holder of rights. Basicly easy, since book rights are always originated by the author. Find the author, and ask if there are current licences. Apply for a licence. If he has no futher interest, he may offer it exclusive and unlimited for just a beer or two. Try to get a written statement. Geting licence doesn't include source material like disks or scripts - if they are lost, you still have to key in every letter again ... Second if you can't locate the author, or any other people possible owning actual licences or able to legitimate their rights, you are free to copy and redistribute the work. The hard term is 'unable to locate the owner' - judges (at least in Europe and especialy the US) put up very high bars to cross. You have to show that you did anything possible (Adds, writing to former publishers, companies, familie, friends, etc. searching directories). Now you can start to reproduce the book - BUT in your best interest you should take step twoandahalf: Opening a closed account (I don't know the exact US term - its an account where yo ujust put in money, but never take it back - possibly managed by a lawyer) for the author/owner of rights. Now 'just' pay the royalities into this account. If a beliveable owner of rights shows up, you just have to grant him access to this account. A possible 'new' royality agreement has to be made at this point. If the owner of rights disagrees with the summ (you have to open your books for double check sales and business regarding this licence) don't grant the access and wait for his court move. As long as your amount of saved royalities is reasonable any court decision inf favour or the owner wouldn't grant more, so be aware and don't put the royalities to low, becaus if the judge thinks so, the summs can be enormous - at leat within the strange US system. This method (step twoandahalf) can (and will) be used on any matter regarding intelectual properies - books, music ('legal' bootlegs use this to avoid geting dumped in the US) or patents (If company A won't give company B a licence, B could try it via twoandahalf - as long as they are able without support from A :) The trick is that you are NOT stealing the property - you are willing to pay, but some strange thing might hinder you. (This is even at wartime true, which leads to the very strange fact where Germany took a way more civilizated position than the US - Germany payed royalities even during the war for tecnologie used - including weapon tecnologie - while the US just declared any German patent or Trademark non existent. Some things can caus dizziness when thinking about) Ok, back to our book project: If you get the permission >from the author (like Sheldon Leemon) you're fine - don't forgett to ask if theres still a licence, maybe even a exclusive one for a publishing company, since in this case you still have to look for the (original) publisher. But regarding the KIM, with his chaotic past, a simple solution isn't available. Gruss H. Oh, and don't forgett: Even a non profit copying action is forbidden. so if a C= group, for example, make copies of the C64 ROM to distrimute within their group and friends FOR FREE, they are subject to pay royalieties. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Help on my MicroVAX 2000

by donm＠cts.com

I decided to run a number of different tapes to try to determine whether my TK50Z drive was defective or the tapes were not bootable. Below are the results of the tests. Since in each case the results are somewhat different, I conclude that the drive reads OK, and that the tapes are suspect. Does anyone have a different perspective? - don ======================= ULTRIX APPLICATION TAPE ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> b mu -MUA0 %VMB-F-SCBINT2, PC = 00007000, PSL = 041F0008 83 BOOT SYS -DUA0 -MUA0 %VMB-F-SCBINT2, PC = 00007000, PSL = 041F0008 83 BOOT SYS ?02 EXT HLT **** Infinite loop without the halt **** PC = 00002704 >>> >>> >>> VMS APP TAPE ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> b mu -MUA0 %VMB-F-ERR, PC = 00000765 %VMB-I-STS, R0 = 000008C2 84 FAIL >>> >>> >>> DEGAUSSED TAPE ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -MUA0 %VMB-F-ERR, PC = 00000765 %VMB-I-STS, R0 = 000001F6 84 FAIL >>> >>> >>> VMS 5.5 BIN TAPE ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> >>> b mu -MUA0 %VMB-F-ERR, PC = 00000765 %VMB-I-STS, R0 = 000008C2 84 FAIL >>> Thats all folks!

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TI Compact Computer 40

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I was just given one. It's a little Tand Model 100-like thing, it came with a user's guide and some kind of book for learning BASIC. Unfortunately, the manual is rather selective. Could someone tell me if I can use the serial port on the back for RS-232 communications, and what are the pin equivalents? If not, is there any kind of modification that could be made? Also, does anyone have any software cartridges for it they would be willing to send me? What is assembly like for this processor? Does anyone have any comments about it? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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HELP! (Tektronix 4052)

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

The last step before I cart my Tek to Santa Clara for the VCF: Insurance. Insurance companies don't like things without a replacement value. I have asked around how much to insure it for, and Dr Dooijes (curator of the Computer Museum in Amsterdam) has suggested $3000. Anyone else have any ideas: Are there any other 4052s around? What might be the market rate? Whom else can I ask? Also, anyone have any suggestions about how to pack it for the flight? Large box with lots of foam seems to be the best idea so far. Unless I can get hold of a Tek carrying case... Philip.

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 02:22 AM 9/2/98 -0700, Sam wrote: > >Us. >(Caveat: until someone comes forward to claim legitimate ownership.) I wonder if there is legal precedent that might establish a reasonable level of due diligence to determine that a copyright asset has indeed been abandoned, and a legitimate method by which someone else could be considered at least allowed to reproduce it but perhaps not claim ownership of it. In short, a process to follow that would establish that something is on its way to becoming public domain. Without preservation now, the asset might be truly lost. For example, I've contacted several authors of early computer books who've since tossed their floppies with the original manuscript. Without this, we're back to scanning and OCR and proofreading. They'd thought that absolutely no one was interested. For example, Sheldon Leemon, author of "Mapping the C-64", tossed his old Atari floppies that had held his manuscript. - John

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by franke＠sbs.de

>> I think this is a formidable example for all our old (pre 1980) >> toys - Almost all of the small (and even some of the big) >> manufactiurers/designers have vanished. So who owns the design, >> the ROM code, the spechial chip designs, the manuals and any >> other soft ? > Us. *g* Toys R Us ! > (Caveat: until someone comes forward to claim legitimate ownership.) Jup, but acording to your ridiculous justice this means bancrupcy for the next 3 generation to anyon of 'Us'. Still searching H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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TI-74 / PC-234 Problem

by franke＠sbs.de

> I thought I was the only one who owned a TI-74. I'm looking for the > specs too. TI does mention some authorized service centers on their web > page for the TI-74. I haven't got a chance to contact any of them for > information. I have one, and 4 spare printers (fleamarket haul). > Check out: http://www.ti.com/calc/docs/7495.htm Marysville, WA is kind of down under from Muenchen, Bavaria :) > ---------------------------- > Zu denken ist gut, dass Sie sind gut :)) Knapp daneben ist auch vorbei. Altavista or German lessons ? -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Today's haul and HP heads-up..

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Today I saved from the mythical Company Dumpster the following Stuff: DEC uVAX II/RC in 4' cab with Cipher Digital horiz. 9trk drive. Printronix P 300 Line Printer (from long-gone Prime Mainframe) Hewlett Packard : (2) 7914 disk drive units, one damaged in fall. An HP Systems cab with (1) 9144 and (2) 3000. (1) 2563A LIne Printer. (Very nice condition) Heads Up part: I do not particularly want the HP stuff, I took it to be nice to the warehouse foreman (to whom it's just junk he has to move around). SoCal area HP collectors.... any Interest??? Anyone? I have more than my share of non-DEC orpans now... heeellpppp.... WANTS: Unibus 9trk formatter card for Kennedy 9300, or preferably a TE16 and cards in SoCal or thereabouts. Need vacuum column door for abovementione Kennedy... or a whole 'nother drive... I'm not picky. MINC stuff. FSW Votrax (commercial Version) for PDP-11. An 11/750 w/magtape.... ? Cheers John

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Today's haul and HP heads-up..

by fmc＠reanimators.org

John Lawson <jpl15(a)netcom.com> wrote: > (2) 7914 disk drive units, one damaged in fall. I'm thinking these are largish floor-standing units (about half washing-machine size) good for about 120MB. They could have cartridge tape drives in them too, do they? > An HP Systems cab with (1) 9144 and (2) 3000. 9144 is an HP cartridge tape drive. A 3000 in that sort of cabinet is probably a Series 37 or Micro 3000, a little departmental system good for about eight terminals. Should have a key for the front panel and I hope it's there because fabricating it could be a problem (it is a small metal strip with indentations drilled in but not through its larger faces). > (1) 2563A LIne Printer. (Very nice condition) 300LPM printer, could be serial or HP-IB or maybe parallel (with a 50-pin telco connector) though I only remember the parallel on its bigger faster cousins. If serial, it would be usable with other things; I think it speaks something like PCL but certainly not the PCL of the many-DPI printers. Used to use one as a remote serial printer hung off a 3000 and it was very reliable. > SoCal area HP collectors.... any Interest??? Anyone? I have more > than my share of non-DEC orpans now... heeellpppp.... I'm not quite SoCal (a little bit north of San Jose) and won't be able to make it down there for a little while. Plus IDDD (I Don't Do DEC) and so don't have any of the stuff you're interested in for a swap. Also I have two 3000/37s of my own. So I won't be hurt if someone else gets 'em, in fact that's part of the reason I am writing this message, to help other folks down there figure out what this stuff is. -Frank McConnell

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FW: Freebies available! Santa Fe, NM (I think)

by kyrrin＠my-dejanews.com

Looks like a good bunch of DEC freebies (at least to non-profit folks) available in Santa Fe, NM (at least if the Santa Fe Institute moniker is any indication). Please contact this fellow directly if interested. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- From: "Phillip Williams" <phdevaxvms(a)roadrunner.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec Subject: its that time again Date: 2 Sep 1998 05:04:51 GMT Organization: Santa Fe Institute Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bdd62d$f7f45820$df733bc6@pilar> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial531.roadrunner.com X-Trace: santaclara.santafe.edu 904712691 23951 209.12.73.131 (2 Sep 1998 05:04:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse(a)santafe.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Sep 1998 05:04:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!news.fiber.net!news-stk-2.sprintlink.net!news-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.128.37.8!feeder.lobo.net!feeder.swcp.com!fugu!SantaFe!not-for-mail well its time to go thru and sell or trade some stuff RA92 qty 4 LN03Rs qty 2 DECstations 5000 qty 2 VT1300 qty 2 VT240 with modem (wow 1200 bps) qty 2 RX33 qty 4 BA200 with 16 megs KA650, QDSS, KDA50,CXA16,TK70, 2 RA70s with OpenVMS 5.5-2 DECwindows/DECwrite/C/BASIC/FORTRAN/KERMIT Once again if you are a none profit org and can arrange for pickup its free and if you are a Homeless vet center then I'll pick up the price!!! phillip AfterMidNight BBS 56k connection with v90 with 30 megs of disk space and free web pages IF YOU KNOW OF ANY VET THATS HOMELESS OR JUST DOWN AND OUT WE OFFER FREE RESUME AND INTERNET ACCESS.

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FWD: COSMAC user needs help

by franke＠sbs.de

> << > Roger Lamson <rlamson(a)snds.com> > San Diego, CA USA - Tuesday, September 01, 1998 at 12:39:56 > We have some old 1802 source code that was not documented, > now we need to "reverse" engineer this code and develop > flow charts so that we can then implement the correct algoithms > in a new processor. > Is there a cosmac 1802 users group out there? > Is there a development system, UT20 from RCA out there? > Thanks > >> > I'd offer this guy my COSMAC ICE, but currently I have no way to verify > that it works (i.e., I haven't built my COSMAC ELF yet :-) In fact, I still have a group of RCA tapes with an cross assembler and other tools (for /360 compatible RCA Mainframe :) - We just need one of these 1966..75 build dinosaurs. Or to be more constructive, I'm still able to read and write 1802 Assm (or at least I belive to be - it's some years ago :). Writing 'modern' Assemblers (Z80, x86, MIPS, ARM etc.) isn't tragic at all. I'm just a bit far away from SD. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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FREE Texas Instuments VDT

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

I have just had laid on me a very nice condition (from a bank) texas Instruments model 911 VDT video display unit. I only have the screen unit, no keyboard. It has two jacks on back, one marked keyboard and one marked controller (9 pin male d-sub) FREE to anyone that wants it, you pay the shipping of about 30 lbs. I need to hear from people soon on it or it will go dumpster diving and not come up for air. As it is I still have the Visual 102 (complete) and DEC VT100 (no keyboard) to GIVE AWAY and the last inquiring mind never got back with me. These are also in great condition and working order and available for the cost of shipping. ___________________________________________________ Russ Blakeman Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 ___________________________________________________

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TI-74 / PC-234 Problem

by jsalzman＠hersheys.com

I thought I was the only one who owned a TI-74. I'm looking for the specs too. TI does mention some authorized service centers on their web page for the TI-74. I haven't got a chance to contact any of them for information. Check out: http://www.ti.com/calc/docs/7495.htm Jeff Salzman ---------------------------- Zu denken ist gut, da=DF Sie sind gut > >Does anyone know any technical dokumentation for the >TI PC-234 printer and/or the TI-74 interface ? I couldn't >find any usefull trace in the web. >

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TI-74 / PC-234 Problem

by franke＠sbs.de

One more question: Does anyone know any technical dokumentation for the TI PC-234 printer and/or the TI-74 interface ? I couldn't find any usefull trace in the web. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Deja vu

by mbg＠world.std.com

> Since we are off topic, read the Bill of Rights and the Constitution > sometime if you want an idea of just how many of your rights (re: > freedom) have been usurped in your 'best interest' by our omnipresent > Federal Government. This spy satellite pales in comparison to the > invasion of personal liberty that has been either legislated by > Congress or in the case of our Constitutional Rights bent in > interpretation by the Supreme Court under the guise of a 'living > breathing Constitution.' Bullshit. The Constitution doesn't need > interpretation, it is written very clearly and has been raped. I may be naive, but I understand that the satellite was owned by a connecticut company who was have it launched to replace the one which went bad earlier this year, knocking out millions of pagers, etc. > several years. Its the payload of the first that exploded that's very > curious to me: a high-tech spy satellite capable of listening on on > thousands of phone calls and other communications, costing how many > billions? You'd think they would be REALLY, REALLY careful with a toy > like that. So would I... and I would have suspect that such a satellite would have been launched from vandenburg. This is part of the reason I do believe it was a communicates satellite. BTW - if not from vandenburg, then aboard a shuttle... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Deja vu

by mbg＠world.std.com

"Max Eskin" <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Give me a break! Rockets explode all of the time. Plus, I would guess >some of the parts they are using are old. I have the feeling cracked >seals could once again be the problem. Also, rockets don't rely on >computer controls. These are 20-year old technology. It's unlikely >they have anything more than a bunch of servos like in a model car. Actually, from the news report I heard, it was a new launch vehicle. The maiden flight... That doesn't contradict the idea it may be old technology, but supposedly the vehicle was one of a new series... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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SUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP

by wpe101＠banet.net

Changing my ISP... Sprynet will be discontinued as of 23:59 30 Sep 1998. Will

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hitachi cd-rom drivers

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Someone here mentioned a few days ago that he had the drivers for a hitachi cd-rom drive. Does anyone remember who it was? I want to test this thing before shipping it. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Booting up and LSI 11/23

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>at $ prompt type in drive name > > $ DK0 What sort of media are you actually trying to boot? Why do you think it's got a valid boot-block? >It now takes me back to the @ prompt. >Type in 0g > > @0g > >and I get 000002 back. >I'm assuming that the '2' I get back is an error of some sort. Can anyone >shed any light >on this one for me. Nope, it's not an error - it's the address the CPU stopped at. It's certainly the case that at address 0, there's a "HALT" instruction (i.e. the contents are zero.) This is very possibly because the boot block you read into location 0 was all zeroes - i.e. not a boot block at all. ----- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology Voice: 301-767-5917 7328 Bradley Blvd Fax: 301-767-5927 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817

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trs80model1

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I got one with an expansion box, monitor, and 2 disk drives for $2.50. I also got a LOAD of software with it. It was working fine 'till the monitor blew. I tried fixing it, and got it working, but it was a bit wavy. Then the P/S for the expansion unit blew, so I sold the whole deal for $20. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Jim <jim(a)calico.litterbox.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: trs80model1 > Date: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 8:06 PM > > Ooo, TRS-80 model 1. The first computer that ever inspired lust in my heart > - I don't suppose these can be had inexpensively... > -- > Jim Strickland > jim(a)calico.litterbox.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? > -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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trs80model1

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Ooo, TRS-80 model 1. The first computer that ever inspired lust in my heart - I don't suppose these can be had inexpensively... -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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TRS-80 Hard drives (was:Cable needed)

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I used to have a Model 1. I believe the logical answer for why Drive 0 was at the beginning of the cable was do that it was the closest to the computer, ant it would make it less confusing for novice computer users: Closest drive gets the boot disk. As for the drive with a resistor pack needing to be at the end of the cable, I disagree. I had a two-disk system, and both drives were identical. I know that, because when I first got the computer, I plugged the drives in, turned them on, turned on the expansion box, and turned on the computer, and they worked. I tried the drives the other way (switched them on the cable), and they still worked. I'm also sure that neither had the resistor pack, because when I got the computer, it was supposed to have 4 drives. There was, however, another Model 1 with an expansion box, but no drives. The person who was selling the computers took drives 3 and 4 off of the one that I got, and put them on the other one. My friend bought it, and the drives worked on it, too. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: TRS-80 Hard drives (was:Cable needed) > Date: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 1:42 PM > > It would have been a lot simpler if the connectors had been fitted in the > opposite order so that drive 0 was at the end of the cable. Then the > terminated drive always would have gone at the end of the cable, and > would always have been Drive 0. No idea why they didn't do this. > > -tony >

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PC jr Stuff

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

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PC jr Stuff

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-09-01 11:54:05 EDT, you write: << Is PCjr stuff compatible with the IBM PC Convertible? Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer >> no. totally incompatible.

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Back! I'm back... (now WinNT hit-and-run)

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 04:26 PM 8/31/98 -0700, Sam Ismail wrote: >On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, John Foust wrote: > >> WinNT is quite stable. I've been running it for years - since 3.0, >> I think, under heavy daily software development. > >Use Linux instead. Its far less picky about its hardware (and a whole >lot more stable too, not to mention just a better OS). Yeah, then there's that really big market of Linux users who love to pay for software. I use Linux alot, but not for running Microsoft products or Windows code. All my firewalls and source code servers are Linux. The SGI version of my product easily recompiles and runs under Linux and X Window. We used it occasionally to use Checker and Electric Fence for debugging. I've got hundreds of unsold CDs of a Linux-based 3D product in the basement, left over from when my company was acquired. I'll gladly send a CD of it for free to anyone in the world who wants to send me a piece of old computer junk or software in trade. See my web page to see what I like. (See a description of Megahedron at http://www.threedee.com/mhedron/mhedron.htm>, and download a free, fully functional demo for Win95/NT x86 and AXP, Linux and SGI IRIX from <http://www.threedee.com/demos/demos.html>.) Frankly, Linux doesn't fit under the ten-year-rule. We'll need to wait until 2003 for that. Sure, it might run on old PCs, though. - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

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old computers

by mwakoff＠njcpa.com

We have some old 486 computers that we don't use anymore. Can you use them? Marvin J. Wakoff Wakoff, Andriulli & Co. mwakoff(a)njcpa.com

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TRS-80 Hard drives (was:Cable needed)

by roblwill＠usaor.net

The post about the Shugart HD's reminded me of something. I'm also looking for a hard drive and external disk boxes for a TRS-80 Model III. I'm not sure if the HD's needed to be special for the III (never had a HD for it), but I had model 1 disk drives on it, and they were working. So any model disk box should be O.K. ThAnX in advance, -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318

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Old Computer

by franzese＠att.com

I have a Heath-Zenith Z90 CPM based computer, and am looking for a home for it. Can you help? Bob Franzese

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PC jr Stuff

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

Guys: I just snarfed some PC-jr modules: 2 - 128k Ram expansion 1 - Parallel printer module 1 - Speech Module I cut open the speech and printer modules, and they seem to be in pretty good shape, although I don't know if any of this stuff actually works. If this is of any value to anyone, I'll offer it for trade for something interesting (I collect mostly Motorola related stuff), or some reasonable $$. PLease reply via private e-mail. Thanx, Jeff

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PC jr Stuff

by mbg＠world.std.com

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