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Notice to all Mobile Phone Users!

by MobileCostCutter＠Hotmail.com

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Not true! < <Altair Mini-Disk BASIC was distributed on 5 1/4" hard-sectored disks with 1 <sectors (not 10). The MITS controller consisted of two S-100 cards that wa <mostly TTL (nothing fancy like a 1771 No. The original disk for the altair before they became Pertec Computers was an 8" system using two boards of TTL. I know I built three of them in that era and debugged a few more. All if the later Pertec machines with minifloppies had a board that used a 1771 plus a raft of ttl. I might add the Pertec controller was sold before the Pertec aquired MITS. Allison

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Swap PDP-8/L for IBM 5100?

by Anthony.Eros＠digital.com

I've got a PDP-8/L available for swap. I thought about putting it up on eBay with a $100k reserve but decided that would be overkill :-) Would anyone with an IBM 5100 (switch-selectable BASIC/APL variant) be interested in a swap? -- Tony Eros Computer History Association of Delaware

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FW: Rare IBM machines for sale

by kyrrin＠my-dejanews.com

Caveat emptor on this one... -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 20:06:09 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware you wrote: >>From: Fabo <Fabo(a)suffolkonline.com> >>Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware >>Subject: Rare IBM machines for sale >>Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 20:06:09 -0500 >>Organization: LI Net >>Lines: 10 >>Message-ID: <36C0DB81.4B9C(a)suffolkonline.com> >>Reply-To: dbowman(a)li.net >>NNTP-Posting-Host: listc03-170.li.net >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (WinNT; I) >>Path: news1.jps.net!news-west.eli.net!news1.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.0.20!news.san.rr.com!nntp3.cerf.net!news01.li.net!not-for-mail >>Xref: news1.jps.net comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware:13137 >> >>Hi Folks . >>I have dug in the wherehouse and uncovered some IBMs that we purchased >>at auctio long ago. >>Feast your eyes . >>Please go through my main site , you may even find some hardware you >>need ! >>I will be updating the website in the coming days , please be patient >>and reload often >>http://www.li.net/~dbowman >>Fabo -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com "...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."

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The 'WarGames' IMSAI hits eBay...

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

(flames to /dev/null) Looks like one more piece of classic computer gear with a movie tie is bound for some closet somewhere... The IMSAI from the movie 'War Games' has gone up for bit on eBay... Item #65763027 Supposedly comes with authentication. Bidding is already past $800 (sigh) -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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C128 (was: some finds...)

by lfb107＠psu.edu

At 06:43 AM 2/11/99 -0800, Cameron Kaiser wrote: >::Yup, case is metal and it even has stamped on the boards. > >And the SID and ROMs? What kind of RAM chips are connected to the 8563? Can't comment on that. It's packed away tight somewhere. I do remember the "Canonical List of Commodore Machines" making a distinction with some DCR's. Les

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for $102.50!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 10:29 AM 2/10/99 -0800, you wrote: >On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Joe wrote: > >> No, don't say excellant condition, just say unknown condition. That way >> no one can say that you ripped them off. >> >> Just remember that they're hard sectored disks with 10 sectors. I just >> found a box of them in a surplus store a couple of days ago. > >Yeah, but will anyone really notice? Ok, I'll punch a few extra holes >here and there. LOL! that should do it! Joe

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OT: Nasty Hangnail; Cuban Cigarettes; Caberet Voltaire and KISS?

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

>> 3. I've heard rumors that Cabaret Voltaire and KISS are going on tour > > KISS = the original HP10, yes? Can't think of any reason the take that > machine anywere.... Eh? Wasn't KISS a German home computer? Or am I quite round the twist? ISTR it had a programming language based on Deutsch in much the same way as BASIC is based on English? Anyone else hear of this machine? (I expect I'll now find that Hans has one or something?) Philip.

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Picture of Old-Dead Macs

by todd.osborne＠barnstormer-software.com

This is going to seem like an odd request, but I am doing a presentation which will include some "bad apples". You know, the human kind. But, to add some humor, I would like to find a picture of some really trashed, or a pile of trashed, old Apple computers. I don't know where to find this, and you guys have always amazed me at what you were able to locate, so I am hopeful you can provide a link. Thanks! Todd Osborne Senior Software Engineer FMStrategies, Inc. http://www.fmstrategies.com/ -------------------------------------------------------- FMStrategies, Inc: tosborne(a)fmstrategies.com Internet E-Mail: todd.osborne(a)barnstormer-software.com -------------------------------------------------------- Founder of the Virtual Windows Class Library (C++) http://www.barnstormer-software.com/vwcl/ -------------------------------------------------------- Anagrams? (http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/) Can you figure out this one? Want the answer? E-Mail me. COCO VERDI MOM (Hint: Think Late 1970's Computer) -------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "The timid die just like the daring, and if you don't take the plunge then you'll just take the fall" - Michael Longcor

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Picture of Old-Dead Macs

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

There used to be some great pictures of dead apples (the machine variety) at a place called "murphy's junkyard" or "Murhpy's surplus" on the web. Not sure of the exact name, but search on the web for murphy's junk or surplus and you'll find the site. Jay West -----Original Message----- From: Todd Osborne <todd.osborne(a)barnstormer-software.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 11:53 AM Subject: Picture of Old-Dead Macs >This is going to seem like an odd request, but I am doing a presentation >which will include some "bad apples". You know, the human kind. But, to add >some humor, I would like to find a picture of some really trashed, or a pile >of trashed, old Apple computers. I don't know where to find this, and you >guys have always amazed me at what you were able to locate, so I am hopeful >you can provide a link. Thanks! > >Todd Osborne >Senior Software Engineer >FMStrategies, Inc. >http://www.fmstrategies.com/ >-------------------------------------------------------- >FMStrategies, Inc: tosborne(a)fmstrategies.com >Internet E-Mail: todd.osborne(a)barnstormer-software.com >-------------------------------------------------------- >Founder of the Virtual Windows Class Library (C++) >http://www.barnstormer-software.com/vwcl/ >-------------------------------------------------------- >Anagrams? (http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/) >Can you figure out this one? Want the answer? E-Mail me. >COCO VERDI MOM (Hint: Think Late 1970's Computer) >-------------------------------------------------------- >Quote: >"The timid die just like the daring, and if you don't take the plunge then >you'll just take the fall" - Michael Longcor > >

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for $102.50!

by joe＠barrera.org

>With all due respect to your employer, Joe, I'm imagining being >violently ill. So just exactly how much respect *is* "all due respect" in this case? :-) - Joe

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C128 (was: some finds...)

by lfb107＠psu.edu

At 06:46 AM 2/10/99 -0800, Cameron Kaiser wrote: >::I haven't seen the FAQ in ages but I think most DCR's actually shipped with >::16k of Video Ram, thus "cost reduced." The 64k units were called something >::else. My 128dCR has 16k. : ( > >Are you sure you have a DCR then? The shell should be metal. All the DCRs I've >seen have 64K. > >Also check your board. You should have the HMOS SID (CSG 8580), and the -03 >(I think) ROMs. Yup, case is metal and it even has stamped on the boards. Les

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Recent aquisitions

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

On Friday, February 12, 1999 12:10 AM, Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner [SMTP:spc@armigeron.com] wrote: > > This past weekend was the annual Miami Hamboree, a show for amatuer ham > radio enthusiasts, although they have equipment other than just radio stuff, > like computer stuff! > > There's two main rooms for mainstream companies and two other rooms with a > flea market feel, with long tables and good deals if you know how to haggle. > Sean, I also went to the Hamboree and was real impressed at how much electronic "stuff" was there. I didn't see too many interesting computer items but, I did come home with a real clean Kaypro II and a Compaq luggable. Including admission and lunch, I spent less than $40.00... Not a bad day. Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for

by dougdu＠MICROSOFT.com

Not true! Altair Mini-Disk BASIC was distributed on 5 1/4" hard-sectored disks with 16 sectors (not 10). The MITS controller consisted of two S-100 cards that was mostly TTL (nothing fancy like a 1771). - Doug > -----Original Message----- > From: allisonp(a)world.std.com [mailto:allisonp@world.std.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 7:22 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for > > > > < Just remember that they're hard sectored disks with 10 > sectors. I just > <found a box of them in a surplus store a couple of days ago. > > Apple or PCC/altair minifloppy? if yes then wrong. They > were both soft > sectored. It was the 8" altair disks that were hard sectored > and it was 26 sectors if memory hasn't lost a bit. Somewhere in the > junkbox is a Pertec minifloppy controller for s100 that how I know, > it's 1771 based. > > > 10 sector was most commonly Northstar* MDS. > > Allison >

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Sun Keyboards -> AT / PS2?

by grant＠anachronism.sol.co.uk

Any ideas where to find info on the data format? ---------- > From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Sun Keyboards -> AT / PS2? > Date: 10 February 1999 19:22 > > > > > Is it possible to connect a AT/PS2 keyboard to Sun3/80's? > > Two answers : > > 1) No, the data format/protocol is totally different > > 2) Yes, anything can be linked to anything. But it would take (at least) > a microcontroller to do it. > > Which applies depends on who you are :-) > > -tony >

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for $102.50!

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Don't forget to do the same thing for VMS source (alpha and vax): < < http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=62831750 <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=62837222 < <These went for $265.00 and $232.50, respectively. < <Having VMS source would be cool. But were these disks readable? Did they <even have anything on them? Who knows. All the seller knew (said) was: < < Don't know much about this one ... its a four disk set .. < I dont have the books or the box it came in. It says on < each disk "OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 Operating System" then "Source Listings" < <Think of the possibilities. NT Source on CDs... Windows 98 source... use <your imagination. Not on a bet. VMS source would be HUGE, if it were a four disk set it would have to be LS120 or ZIP disks to hold it. Likely same for NT. Allison

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Seeking CDC Sabre Info

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Guys: I just picked up a CDC 9720-500 Sabre 8" drive (SCSI version). Anybody got docs for this thing? Especially the power hook up, and dip switch settings. (Now I have to scare up +24v @ 3A). A scrap dealer near where I work just tossed three of these that were SMD! Arrrrgh! Thanks! Jeff ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Just remember that they're hard sectored disks with 10 sectors. I just <found a box of them in a surplus store a couple of days ago. Apple or PCC/altair minifloppy? if yes then wrong. They were both soft sectored. It was the 8" altair disks that were hard sectored and it was 26 sectors if memory hasn't lost a bit. Somewhere in the junkbox is a Pertec minifloppy controller for s100 that how I know, it's 1771 based. 10 sector was most commonly Northstar* MDS. Allison

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Intel 4040 - was Intel 4004 simulator and tools

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I'm getting this opinion straight from Ted Hoff himself. I don't know <where my notes are on this and I can't remember the details, but I think <there are some significant differences between the 4040 and 4004. The <8008 was supposed to have been based on the 4004 architecture, extending <it with more instructions and such. The 4040 was, I think, a whole <different design by a different team inside Intel. The 4004 and 4040 are very similar. the 4040 adds a few things like extra registers. The 8008 is really a 4040 stretched to 8bits. The 8080 is really pretty close to the 8008 though not object code compatable. I have the intel books on them so it's not like I didn't check. ;) Allison

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Intel 4004

by allisonp＠world.std.com

payroll as well as it did 20 years ago. Printers are faster too, I guess, <but since the essential demise of multi-part paper, it takes about as long <to generate the 4-part documents as ever. Huh? The company I work for has 35pc and an intranet but invoices and 6 part sales orders are still punched out using Epson 1624s and Diablo H-IIs! Allison

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for $102.50!

by joe＠barrera.org

Don't forget to do the same thing for VMS source (alpha and vax): http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=62831750 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=62837222 These went for $265.00 and $232.50, respectively. Having VMS source would be cool. But were these disks readable? Did they even have anything on them? Who knows. All the seller knew (said) was: Don't know much about this one ... its a four disk set .. I dont have the books or the box it came in. It says on each disk "OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 Operating System" then "Source Listings". Think of the possibilities. NT Source on CDs... Windows 98 source... use your imagination. - Joe

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Off Topic? Anyone have manual for IBM 4019

by rcini＠msn.com

I got an old IBM laser printer this weekend from a friend of mine. It's the IBM 4019. It's not a Lexmark one, but one of the old workhorse "leave it running 24/7 and it'll outlive all of us" IBM printers. Weighs a ton. Does anyone have a spare manual for it that I can get? Thanks! [ Rich Cini/WUGNET [ ClubWin!/CW7 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ <================ reply separator =================>

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Newly acquire stuff

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 03:16 PM 2/10/99 -0800, you wrote: >> Nope... How about the Altima 1 and 2? (See >> http://www.sinasohn.com/clascomp/alt2.htm) Not quite the standard layout, > >Error 404, File not found? I think the Amstrad looks better :). Whups, 404 is the hospital room # my dad is in... it must have worn off on me. 8^) It's http://www.sinasohn.com/clascomp/altima2.htm all spelled out. But, I'll agree, I do like the Amstrad better. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Hazeltine?

by fpp＠concentric.net

You are right it was ADM it is hard being dyslexic !

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question about a tandy 1000

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I have an original Tandy 1000, a 1000TL, a 1000SX and a 1000TX. The TL is the only one that boots from ROM. The older ones didn't. I agree in the fact that they're not worth much. The SX and TL were complete systems (TL had an EGA monitor), and the SX and the original were floppy models. I got them all for free, all working. -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1> -----Original Message----- From: Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 12:01 PM Subject: RE: question about a tandy 1000 >On Tuesday, February 09, 1999 3:25 PM, Michael A. Rivas Sr >[SMTP:mrivas@caribe.net] wrote: >> my brother got a hold of a tandy 1000. when booted up it asks for a boot >disk which he does not have. i have two questions >> 1) what can i do about the boot disk? >> 2) what does a tandy 1000 go for? >> << File: ATT00001.html >> << File: ATT00002.gif >> > >Michael, > >1.) I've had several different 1000s and each of them would boot from ROM >if a disk wasn't available. Since the ROM included a FORMAT command, you >could make your own bootable disk. > >Some of the models might have worked a little differently. Exactly which >model do you have (1000TL / 1000HD / 1000RL ...)? > >2.) There were about a trillion of these things made so, the value is >pretty low. I have seen them for as little as $10 at the flea market >without a monitor or hard drive. The monitor could cost another $10 to $15. >The hard drive with OS might add another $10. > >So, the value of the complete working system would probably be in the $30 - >$50 range... > > >Regards, > >Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com> > > >

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Newly acquire stuff

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

[Amstrad PPC512] >Strange looking computer IMHO. It's the only laptop with a full-sized >keyboard (including cursor pad and numeric pad). The thing is wider than >a PDP11.... Nope... How about the Altima 1 and 2? (See http://www.sinasohn.com/clascomp/alt2.htm) Not quite the standard layout, but still a full keyboard, iirc. I think also, some of the new machines with the 15" screens have full keyboards. But yes, the PPC512 (and PPC640) are definitely odd ducks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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OOPs AT&Ts

by lfb107＠psu.edu

> > No not yet. I'm going to try and get the parts and make a terminal >cable tomorrow. You have to be REAL careful which way the pins go on that. I had to make two of 'em because the FAQ (where I found the pin assignments) wasn't really clear which way you should be looking at it. (They ended up being opposite) >>If the root password is changed, your going to be screwed without system >disks. > > I'm afraid you're right. That's the nature of Unix. I was lucky on mine. All of them came from the factory with a preset password which was *something* like "MPC" or something like that. Anyway, it should be in the 3B2 FAQ. Les

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Intel 4004 simulator and tools

by elvey＠hal.com

mbg(a)world.std.com (Megan) wrote: > > How about simply making them available from some site somewhere > and sending everyone a pointer... > > Megan Gentry > Former RT-11 Developer Hi Megan I have the ftp on a later mail. I would like people that use it or download it to contact me first. I am still making the occational enhancement and will keep a list. The simulator was specifically setup for the SIM4-01 board but could be easily modified for most any hardware. It is just a matter of mapping RAM and I/O's to different variables or arrays. All the source is there so one can dig into it as much as one wants. Most of the changes I've been making are to add comments to some of the less clear coding I did. As I reread it, I often realize it isn't even clear to me and I know it needs a comment. I'm always looking for feed back as well. The entire thing can be easily expanded to deal with the 4040 as well. Anyone wanting to do such, should let me know. Dwight

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for $102.50!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

by Mits Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This Item Was A PCC Product (see logo on lower left corner of label) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Item: 5 1/4" Altair Minidisk Basic Disk Version 4.1; December 1977 by Pertec Computer Corporation Micro-Systems Division Copyright 1977 See: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=62821235

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Help: scanning old computer manuals

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

I guess what's confusing me the most is that the "line art" setting on my scanner software gives horrible results no matter what type of document I scan - no matter how clear, it comes up trashy. However, as others suggested, I changed it to "256 shades of gray" and the scan is infinitely better. Even after removing the moire/descreen, the letters still look a little "ghosty". I just want to make sure the scans look good for everyone else when I put them up. Thanks to everyone for their input! Jay West

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Sun Keyboards -> AT / PS2?

by grant＠anachronism.sol.co.uk

Is it possible to connect a AT/PS2 keyboard to Sun3/80's? If so, does anyone have a wiring diagram or a souce for adapters? Thanks in advance. Grant Mitchell R&D Software Engineer - Hitec DMS Ltd. gim(a)hitec-uk.com

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Mac keyboard adapter

by PB14＠leicester.ac.uk

On 10 Feb 99 at 12:58, KNIGHT G.A wrote: > I'm not sure if there is a condition called > MissedComputerDumpage Syndrome but I think I may be a > sufferer. A friend of mine at the other site at my > university (Staffordshire) has just told me the computer > department chucked over 50 68040 Apple Macs into the skip > the other day. He only managed to get one for himself. What > a waste. The only problem is that the computer is missing a > keyboard. Is there anyway that you can make an adapter to > plug a PS/2 keyboard into the Mac? I'm stunned that any university department could be so stupid. Over the last year my immediate work section has offered >100 five year old computers to other university departments and all machines were claimed within hours. As somebody said, a PC keyboard will not work. Tell your friend to look out for an original Apple Extended Keyboard II which has a wonderful feel and response. They are occasionally advertised on the uk mac adverts newsgroup. Phil ************************************************************** Phil Beesley -- Computer Officer -- Distributed Systems Suppport University of Leicester Tel (0)116 252-2231 E-Mail pb14(a)le.ac.uk

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Intel 4004

by edick＠idcomm.com

Good Work! Now, do these tools run on the machine itself, or do they require cross-development? Either one's fine, of course. What do you have your machine doing? Dick ---------- > From: Dwight Elvey <elvey(a)hal.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Intel 4004 > Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 11:43 AM > > Hi All > I have gotten my 4004 development unit up and running. > In doing so, I made some tools. I have a simple > assembler, disassembler and a simulator. If anyone > would like copies of these tools, let me know. > Dwight

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HP TSB, Docs and O/S

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

I'm glad I got the first batch of docs for the 2100 stuff. But given that the second batch of HP docs which I did not get went so fast, I have to suspect there's some other 2100/21MX lurkers on the list :) One of these days I'll get around to cataloging all the HP docs/manuals/tapes, etc. that I have. At that point, copies are available to anyone here at no charge (except actual copying and shipping cost). Enjoy! Here's an HP2000 question for you all.... Looks like I'm coming into a FULL SOURCE code listing of the Time Shared BASIC (TSB) operating system for the 2000F variety. However, it is in printed format (about six LARGE three ring binders). Is there any better way rather than just keying in the source? I was thinking perhaps OCR, but I don't know how good my OCR program is (haven't used it yet). But even if that works, OCR mistakes would be very hard to find and certainly a tad annoying at compile time! Perhaps if anyone else here is interested in this, the binders could be split up and each person scan, ocr, and check their section? Just a thought... Jay West

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Error 33?

by joebar＠microsoft.com

We know what "Error 33" means. But why 33? Why not 23 or 43 or...? - Joe ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 10:26 AM >But why 33? "Catch 22" came from a book; "four-oh-four" comes from an >HTTP error code. Where did the number 33 come from? > >> -----Original Message----- >> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 10:24 AM >> >> >"Error 33": when the success of your research depends on the success >> of >> >someone else's research. I think it was coined at PARC, but I'm not >> >sure of that. >> > >> >Marvin. >> >> That's the attribution (PARC) given in the Jargon File. >> >

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for $10 2.50!

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

You'll need a little sandpaper and some salad oil to properly age the label, I should think. Kai -----Original Message----- From: Sam Ismail [mailto:dastar@ncal.verio.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 9:37 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for $102.50! On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Joe wrote: > by Mits Inc. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This Item Was A PCC > Product > (see logo on lower left corner of label) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Item: 5 1/4" Altair Minidisk Basic Disk > Version 4.1; December 1977 > by Pertec Computer Corporation > Micro-Systems Division > Copyright 1977 > > > See: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=62821235 That does it. I'm pulling out an old dot matrix printer from my collection and an Apple //e. I'm then going to design a label that looks just like the one on the disk in that auction and print a bunch up. Then I'm going to figure out how to make it aged a little (or why even bother...I'll just say its in "excellent condition"). I will then sell these disks on ebay every other week. Don't say I didn't warn you. Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Always hasslin' the man. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 01/15/99]

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Intel 4004

by joe＠barrera.org

Doug, I know damn well you don't buy your 4004s at Fry's. Fry's charges too much for them, and you're too cheap. I don't know where you get 4004s, but I get mine at Home Depot -- they're about $0.39 a pound (if you bag them yourself). And the Home Depot ones can usually be overclocked up to 3.3 GHz. (I assume you're talking about the GaAs 4004s -- I wouldn't bother with those old ECL ones.) - Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug <doug(a)blinkenlights.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 8:07 PM Subject: Re: Intel 4004 >On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, David Freibrun wrote: > >> You have an Intel 4004? Where did you obtain this? > >Everybody in the Valley has a bunch of them, David. We get them at Fry's. > >-- Doug > >

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C128 (was: some finds...)

by lfb107＠psu.edu

At 12:09 PM 2/9/99 -0800, Cameron Kaiser wrote: >::> ... my lovely 128DCR ... > >::Did Commodore Retire ? > >Oh yeah. Sorry :-) > >DCR = D Cost Reduced > >The 128D(CR) are the 128s with integrated 1571 disk drives. The D series have >flat 128 electronics (16K VDC RAM, 6581 SID) and the 1571 on a separate board. >Externally, they have a plastic shell. They are virtually unknown in North >America. > >The DCR series, which came later, are a one-board design with the upgraded >128 ROMs, 64K VDC RAM and the 8580 HMOS-2 SID. Externally, the shell is >metal. They are the only type of D series 128s sold in America, but they are >also in Europe in small quantities (later German 128Ds, for example, are >really 128DCRs with the German-language EPROM). Despite the name, for my >money, the DCR seems to be more solidly built. The metal case holds my 1702 >monitor (heavy!) without so much as a flex or even a buckle. I haven't seen the FAQ in ages but I think most DCR's actually shipped with 16k of Video Ram, thus "cost reduced." The 64k units were called something else. My 128dCR has 16k. : ( Les

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some finds...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Nice find Alison! The best thing about the 128 was the color monitor <that may/may not have come with it. You can use it for a CGA monitor I believe the monitor is a zenith mono. I have VGA color only and a bunch of mono Herc mono monitors. Such is life. <with an XT et al and as a vcr/tv tuner monitor as well. Of course it <has a 64 chip in it as well as a CP/M. I have lots of info and 64? I know it has a 6502 and z80. <peripherals and software if you need anything. Pocket Writer 128 is a <good WP and, believe it or not, it is still available retail. I have a spreadsheet a few games and Jane word processor. If the CP/M disks I got are good then I can move some of the better things I have on to it. I also have the test/demo and tutorial disks. Seems like an unmodified machine. It's unique in that it's the only other one I have that the standard OS is CP/M-3 (aka CP/M plus). My Visual 1050 is the other. I prefer to run V2.2 on most of my z80 based machines. Allison

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FW: Many older computer related and electronic data books FS.

by kyrrin＠my-dejanews.com

Folks, this looks like a good one. Sounds like the fellow's getting rid of a whole bunch of docs that are right up the 'Classic' alley. Check the URL listed in the message itself if you're interested. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 05:55:54 GMT, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc you wrote: >>x-no-archive: yes >> >>I have hundreds of computer-related books for sale for the following computers: >> >> Amiga >> Atari 8-bit >> Apple II series & IIGS >> Commodore 64/128 >> IBM compatible >> TI-99/4A >> >>The majority of my computer books are for IBM and Apple series. There are a >>handful of books for the other computers listed. >> >>I also have a few dozen electronic data books, mostly from the 1980's. I'd be >>happy with $2 or $3 each for most of the data books. >> >>I have a large number of books about DBase III+ and IV books, older releases of >>AutoCAD, and programming languages such as C and Pascal. There are also a >>handful of technical, electronic, physics and math text books. >> >>In general I don't expect a whole lot for old books of any kind, so I'm looking >>for offers in the $1-$5 each range on most, with the exception of some of the >>more valuable reference/text books. >> >>I am trying to sell some of my books because I'm going to be moving >>long-distance in a few months and I need to thin them out. I am trying to >>organize my book list by computer type and sort out the ones I want to keep from >>the ones I want to sell. Unfortunately the list is a bit mixed up at this point, >>but if you have a little patience you can use your browser to search through it. >>Then make offers on anything that interests you and I'll let you know if I will >>sell it for that. >> >>A word of warning: Most of my stuff is at least 5 years old, so if you are >>looking for new or cutting edge stuff, I probably won't have it. If you >>are looking for rare, older stuff, I might have it. Check out my web >>page for lists and details at: >> >> http://www.silcom.com/~tiger >> >>The email address provided above is invalid to discourage spam. My real email >>address can be found on my web page. Thank you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com "...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."

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Intel 4004

by joe＠barrera.org

I'm petrified you wood bring this up again, Doug... ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug <doug(a)blinkenlights.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 8:19 PM Subject: Re: Intel 4004 >So, where were you during the wooden laptop pun fest? I was waiting for >the one about counting the rings instead of using date codes for wood >chips. > >-- Doug > >On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Andrew Davie wrote: > >> "Would you like 4004s with that?" >> A >> -- >> >> PS: It's a pun. Here in Australia, fries are actually called "chips".

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OT: Care and feeding of vacuum tube electronics?

by roblwill＠usaor.net

> >And while an audio amplifier performs a very simple analogue computing >function, I still think it's mildly off-topic. NOTE : I am not flaming >anyone for going off-topic, just stating what I think the boundary should be. > Well, I can relate it in one way to classic computing. I've got an ancient Bell (late 40's) tube amp connected to an old ad-lib card in my 1985 IBM 5170 so I can get better sound than with the teeny 2" speaker that came with the card (yes - it has a mono output). -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1>

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Intel 4004

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

"Would you like 4004s with that?" A -- PS: It's a pun. Here in Australia, fries are actually called "chips". -----Original Message----- From: Doug <doug(a)blinkenlights.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 3:21 PM Subject: Re: Intel 4004 >On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, David Freibrun wrote: > >> You have an Intel 4004? Where did you obtain this? > >Everybody in the Valley has a bunch of them, David. We get them at Fry's. > >-- Doug > >

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New find: Calculo Analog Computer Kit

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

A new addition to the collection, but missing the documentation... a 'Calculo Analog Computer Kit' from 'The Science Materials Center: a division of the Library of Science' in New York. The box indicates that the unit was copyrighted in 1959. Made up of a couple of lever switches, three potentiometers, a meter, and a pair of flashlight batterys. Looks like the docs probably detailed assembly notes, principles of operation, and expirements. Anyone familiar with this critter, and perhaps have a copy of the manuals for it? (pictures soon) -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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question about a tandy 1000/Graphics

by roblwill＠usaor.net

-----Original Message----- From: Ward D. Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 12:35 PM Subject: RE: question about a tandy 1000 >The original Tandy 1000, 1000HD and a couple of others didn't have >the DOS ROM, that was added a couple of years into the history of >the product line. But any stock 360k MS-DOS will work, though >there were a few utilities unique to the 1000 on the official >version. But every Radio Shack store is supposed to have a CD >that can be used to recreate old Tandy DOS, Setup and utility >disks for any of the Tandy PC compatibles -- this of course leaves >out the Tandy 2000 and any of Tandy's real computers. > They are? They told me I had to special-order disks from RS-Unlimited for $10 each. >Where do we suddenly get two people in one day with attached >graphics? And the one _must_ have been reading this list for a >while, he'd copied a quote that I composed while listening to the >song I took it from. And you don't find Michael Longcor tapes at >your local Sam Goody's. He was probably using a HTML-compatible compatible (such as IE) to read the mail, and just hit "reply". It's the sidebar stationary image file. -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1>

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question about a tandy 1000

by roblwill＠usaor.net

-----Original Message----- From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 12:33 PM Subject: RE: question about a tandy 1000 > >I believe only the Tandy 1000HX had DOS 2.11 in ROM. All other T1000's do >not. > The TL series had DOS 3.x and part of DeskMate in ROM. -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1>

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some finds...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Yes, you type 'go 64' in the 128 screen or you have a key down when you tur <it on. If you don't have a manual, I could look it up for you but there ar <two ways of getting into 64 mode, as I recall. There were few games writte I do have the manual or two and aat least two games. Allison

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Intel 4004

by edick＠idcomm.com

Actually, I'm not that excitable about making old hardware work. I am interested when someone does some of the things I did with parts with which I didn't. I didn't get interested in microprocessors until the 8008, which, by the way, though still functional when I unplugged it from the circuit board, became a "high-tech tie-tack" which I wore from time to time along with others of about the same ilk and vintage. With all the fascination over the internet and GUI OS's, etc, it's easy to forget that the old 8080 can still process the words and generate the payroll as well as it did 20 years ago. Printers are faster too, I guess, but since the essential demise of multi-part paper, it takes about as long to generate the 4-part documents as ever. Some things will just always be painful . . . <sigh> I find it interesting to note, however, that you've taken the pain to do this work yourself. Rest assured, it can't be any worse than the tools everyone who worked with this primitive beastie had to use. Dick ---------- > From: Dwight Elvey <elvey(a)hal.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re[2]: Intel 4004 > Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 2:28 PM > > "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> wrote: > > Good Work! > > > > Now, do these tools run on the machine itself, or do they require > > cross-development? Either one's fine, of course. What do you have your > > machine doing? > > > > Dick > > Hi Dick > I use a PC to develop on. I don't have enough ROM space > on the 4004 system to do very much. The developement > system is currently running the code that came with > it. It was intended to program 1702A's. It does this > well. > I am writing code to make a 4 function calculator > that runs through the serial line used for the programmer. > I've desided to use BCD math since it has instructions > built in that deal with doing BCD corrections. The RAM > orginization is well suited for 16 digits of BCD for > each data value. > To get copies of my tool set, down load: > ftp://ftp.hal.com/pub/elvey/I4004.ZIP > You'll also need a Forth interpreter because everything > is in source and not precompiled. I used the Freeware > Forth called FPC. You can download a copy from the > site: > http://www.forth.org/compilers.html > I also included tools to convert Intel hex to binary > and back for those that need this format for their > particular programmer. There are some assembly example > files called *.AS4 that will get you started. > Let me know if you have any questions. You don't need > to know Forth to use the tools but you can do more > advanced things if you do. For the most part, the READ.ME > file should be enough to get you started. > What is your interest in working with the 4004? > Dwight

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Accidental deletion

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

I think I might have accidentally nuked some responses to my latest manual offering. So far, I've received one offer from Hans Franke. Was anyone else interested in a Motorola 68000 'ExorMacs' System Manual? Three inches thick and 9+ pounds, vintage about 1980. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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best hack replacement for HP-01 stylus? [Re: OT: Nasty Hangnail; Cuban Cigarettes; Caberet Voltaire and KISS?]

by joe＠barrera.org

>Especially given how much money I had to pay for them; as HPs go, second only >to my HP-01 watch. I'm keeping them in a safe place! What, you don't wear your HP-01? What's the point in having one, then? - Joe P.S. My HP-01 didn't come with the little key-presser stylus thingie. What's the best hack replacement anyone has come up with?

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OT: Care and feeding of vacuum tube electronics?

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

>On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Mark Gregory wrote: >> Hi. I recently acquired a 1950's vintage Gibson GA-30 guitar amp. Never >> having owned a tube-based amp before, I'm clueless about the proper way to >> use this amp without abusing it (and it sounds great, so I want it to last >> a long time! :v) . Sam said: >Wow, this is decidely off-topic. Way off topic. Don't you think this >question would be better served on a more suitable newsgroup? (This reply is Digest delayed) This is not off topic! We don't talk enough about vacuum tubes!(..imho..) First, amplifiers are the most basic element of any electronic analog computer. Second, where can anyone draw the OT line between vacuum tubes and LSI chips? RTL,DTL,TTL, or transistors in general? :) Mark, Check out Vacuum Tube Valley http://www.vacuumtube.com/ --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA =========================================

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Intel 4004

by davidfreibrun＠home.com

Questions on Intel 4004 chip: -Am I correct in assuming that 4004 is no longer manufactured by Intel? -How many were made? -Is it true that this chip is used the Voyager spacecraft? David davidfreibrun(a)home.com http://altaircomputers.org -----Original Message----- From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 7:23 AM Subject: Re: Intel 4004 >On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, David Freibrun wrote: > >> You have an Intel 4004? Where did you obtain this? > >The answer is right inside the message to which you are replying. Look... > >> >I would *love* some 4004 tools. I have a 4004 that I plan to build >> >into a project someday. It came out of a non-UPC grocery store barcode >> >scanner I bought at the Dayton Hamfest in 1983. > >Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Always hasslin' the man. > > Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 > See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 01/15/99] >

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question about a tandy 1000

by mrivas＠caribe.net

Skipped content of type multipart/alternative

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HP plotters

by edick＠idcomm.com

You'll need to find someone local with a pickup truck, since you probably won't find anyone willing to pay what it costs to ship it. I paid $385 to ship mine from Pennsylvania to Denver. The "Draftmaster" 7596, I believe, that we had at work weighed considerably more than mine, though it didn't plot faster, or, in any detectable way, differently. It cost and weighed more, and was more massive in its appearance. It was, however, an excellent device. one more thing . . . imbedded below. Dick ---------- > From: Athanasios Kotsenos <a.kotsenos(a)rca.ac.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: HP plotters > Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 11:56 AM > <snip> > > >I do have the manuals for the 758x series, by the way. > > I should have the manuals for both, but I've only definitely found one of them. > I actually found the info for printing the test page on their web site. > Well, I've had several people inquire about reproducing the two massive manuals, nearly 1k pages each. I sent the manuals (user guide not included) a Programming Manual and a Technical manual, the latter of which has numerous 11"x33" foldout drawings, and they have sat at the printer's for a couple of months waiting for an estimate on reproducing them to be finalized. It won't be cheap because of those foldouts, which are half-tones. > > So, if anybody wants them... > > Nasos. >

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Piece of classic FORTRAN code

by edick＠idcomm.com

Yes . . . that's how I remember it, too. Those irritating core dumps were always recongnizable as they went through the line printer, since they sounded like a chef chopping celery. I never did get to where I could actually gain anything from a core dump. I guess it hasn't changed much, though the dumps Windows95 gives you when a process goes askew aren't as long. Dick ---------- > From: Lawrence LeMay <lemay(a)cs.umn.edu> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Piece of classic FORTRAN code > Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 9:47 AM > > > ::Those were the days . . . FORTRAN-II, SCOPE OS, COMPASS assembler . .

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Piece of classic FORTRAN code

by edick＠idcomm.com

Golly! That does bring back the memories . . . but wasn't the CDC6xxx family 64 bits? I cut my teeth on that one, back in the mid 1960's and it seems that it (the 6600) was a dual-processor version of the 64-bit 6400. Those were the days . . . FORTRAN-II, SCOPE OS, COMPASS assembler . . . batch processing . . . (that meant you wrote your code on a 24-line 80-column "coding sheet" and, when finished, gave them to a woman behind a door with a small window in it . . . and got your error listing a few days later) . . . I'd have given a week's pay for an hour in that room behind the door . . . mini-skirts . . . (you do remember keypunch operators and Hollerith cards, don't you?) Dick ---------- > From: Sergey Svishchev <svs(a)ropnet.ru> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Piece of classic FORTRAN code > Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 2:34 AM > > G'day, > > IF (COMPLF(-1).LE.2) IF (RSHIFT(COMPLF(0),32)-15) 360,1108,6600 > C IF (NOT(-1).LE.2) IF (ISHFT(NOT(0),-32)-15) 360,1108,6600 > 7094 PRINT *,'IBM 7094' > STOP > 360 PRINT *,'IBM 360 (32 BITS)' > STOP > 1108 PRINT *,'UNIVAC 1108 (48 BITS)' > STOP > 6600 PRINT *,'CDC 6600 (60 BITS)' > STOP > > -- > Sergey Svishchev -- svs{at}ropnet{dot}ru

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question about a tandy 1000

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

On Tuesday, February 09, 1999 3:25 PM, Michael A. Rivas Sr [SMTP:mrivas@caribe.net] wrote: > my brother got a hold of a tandy 1000. when booted up it asks for a boot disk which he does not have. i have two questions > 1) what can i do about the boot disk? > 2) what does a tandy 1000 go for? > << File: ATT00001.html >> << File: ATT00002.gif >> Michael, 1.) I've had several different 1000s and each of them would boot from ROM if a disk wasn't available. Since the ROM included a FORMAT command, you could make your own bootable disk. Some of the models might have worked a little differently. Exactly which model do you have (1000TL / 1000HD / 1000RL ...)? 2.) There were about a trillion of these things made so, the value is pretty low. I have seen them for as little as $10 at the flea market without a monitor or hard drive. The monitor could cost another $10 to $15. The hard drive with OS might add another $10. So, the value of the complete working system would probably be in the $30 - $50 range... Regards, Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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C128 (was: some finds...)

by joe＠barrera.org

>> ... my lovely 128DCR ... > >128 DCR ? >Data Casette Recorder ? >Detatched Cigartop Remover ? >Did Commodore Retire ? My TVC-15? - Joe P.S. I swear, one day I'll post something useful to this list.

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OT: Nasty Hangnail; Cuban Cigarettes; Caberet Voltaire and KISS?

by joe＠barrera.org

Hi, I have a few OT questions. I hope no one minds. 1. I have a nasty hangnail that won't go away. Any suggestions how to get rid of it? 2. Everyone know about Cuban cigars... but are Cuban cigarettes better than American cigarettes? Are they also illegal? 3. I've heard rumors that Cabaret Voltaire and KISS are going on tour together soon! Is it true? How can I get tickets? - Joe P.S. Consider this an experiment in the refusal to use emoticons.

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HP plotters

by edick＠idcomm.com

These "names" aren't going to prove as helpful as the model numbers. I have a 7585B which is, I believe, the precursor of the Draftmaster series, the principal difference being the presence of a drive for the chart feed and some different body panels. It's not at all certain that the behavior you've described characterizes any malfunction at all. The fact that HP people suggest it's broken doesn't mean much either, by the way. HP has a habit of disposing of people once they've learned enough about anything to be really useful, and their salesmen never get to that point. I do have the manuals for the 758x series, by the way. Dick ---------- > From: Athanasios Kotsenos <a.kotsenos(a)rca.ac.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: HP plotters > Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 5:14 AM > > Hi all. > > Anybody interested in any of the following? > > HP DraftMaster I > HP DraftPro DXL > > Both are not really in working order. > I'm guessing the DraftMaster has a problematic chip as it shows all this > rubbish on the screen after you turn it on. > The DraftPro DXL seems to have a mechanical problem. When I first turned it > on, it worked OK and I managed to get the test print out. After that it > started behaving weirdly. It tries to move the 'head' unsuccessfully and > never gets it to where it should go. Very slowly. > Apparently HP people were in a couple of years ago (before I started to > work here) and they said that repairs would be way too costly and buying > something new would be a better option. Of course they would say that - it > is usually true anyway. > I am hoping that someone could revive these on their own. It's a shame to > see them go in the skip, but I do have to get rid of them soon as they take > up too much space. I'd take them home if I had enough space there. > They _are_ big, so I guess you would have to live near London. > > I also have some HP 98785A screens (also big), which don't have to go as > urgently as the plotters. I haven't tested them, though, but I will if > anyone wants one. > > Nasos. >

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Piece of classic FORTRAN code

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

Richard Erlacher wrote:: << Golly! That does bring back the memories . . . but wasn't the CDC6xxx family 64 bits? I cut my teeth on that one, back in the mid 1960's and it seems that it (the 6600) was a dual-processor version of the 64-bit 6400. The CDC 6400, 6600, 7600 all were 60 bit, definitely. The Cray-1 is the first 64-bit machine in the Seymour Cray line. Those were the days . . . FORTRAN-II, SCOPE OS, COMPASS assembler . . . batch processing . . . (that meant you wrote your code on a 24-line 80-column "coding sheet" and, when finished, gave them to a woman behind a door with a small window in it . . . and got your error listing a few days later) . . . I'd have given a week's pay for an hour in that room behind the door . . . mini-skirts . . . (you do remember keypunch operators and Hollerith cards, don't you?) Dick >> It does bring back memories ! John G. Zabolitzky

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Help with LS-DOS 6.3.1 was ( Need a copy of TRSDOS 6 OS)

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

> 1) Install xtrs (Tim's TRS-80 emulator for linux/X). It can read .dsk > files and write real disks. > > 2) Run my little program diskdmp that reads .dsk files and writes real > TRS-80 disks. It does nothing else, but it's small. I don't know where > you'd find it, but I've notionally GPL'ed it, so I can send the .tar.gz > file to anyone who wants it (and you're welcome to stick on an ftp site, > etc). However, as with all free software, it uses the author's OS of > choice, in my case linux. A long time ago, I wrote a small ASM program for formatting disks and creating bootable images under DOS but, I don't really want to do that right now. I do have a Linux box here so, options 1 & 2 sound the most appealing. I'll hang a 1.2MB floppy on it and grab Tim's app (since it's already in a FTP directory). It could be a week or two before I get around to it. I'll let you know if I have any more problems. Thanks Again, Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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no rom basic

by edick＠idcomm.com

An important thing to keep in mind, however, is that not all drives adhere to the latest, or even the more recent standard. Since this discussions centers around old hardware, I'd be REALLY careful with ide interfaced devices. Case in point: I once used a number of MAXTOR MXT540A drives, which were WONDERFUL . . . they were fast, (6300 rpm at a time when most were 3600 rpm) beyond belief at the time and very reliable. After a couple of years, Hitachi came out with a nice CDROM drive, the 7730 (?) of which I bought a number. Unfortunately, when I placed the HITACHI CDROM as a slave on the same cable with the MAXTOR HDD as master, the servo on the HDD was overwritten, which I only was able to verify after destroying (irreparably, because the hardware with which to rewrite the servo didn't exist at MAXTOR any more even though the drives were still within their two-year warranty) half a dozen such hard disks. The CDROM certainly claimed to adhere to existing convention, as did the HDD. MAXTOR was not able to explain the malfunction, nor were they able to replace the drives with anything comparable. --pity-- Dick ---------- > From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: no rom basic > Date: Monday, February 08, 1999 10:58 PM > > jpero(a)cgocable.net wrote: > > You done exactly right on everything except LLF which is big NO > > No on modern drives, potientially losing it! > > I wish just for once that someone would actually cite a specific drive > model for which this is true. I've LLF'd many of them with no ill > effects. > > The ANSI X3.298-1997 standard, "Information Technology - AT Attachment-3 > Interface (ATA-3)" says that the FORMAT TRACK command is vendor-specific > and recommends against systems using it, but nowhere does it suggest > that an acceptable implementation would be to trash a drive. > > I have seen some drives that treat the command as a NOOP, simply > returning success impediately without actually doing anything, but I've > yet to see one which actually causes any harm to the drive. > > If anyone cares to present contrary evidence, please cite specifics. > I'm not interested in FOAF anecdotes.

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Mark-8 and Jon Titus

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

> > I'm interested in a project for a 1999 Mark-8. Anyone else want a replica? > Perhaps... What would the scope of such a project be? Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Mini clearout

by kevan＠heydon.org

Hi, After having moved to our new house I am gradually filling the garage with stuff I have had in storage while the move happened. As part of this process I am finding things I didn't even know that I had and things that I don't have space for any more. Below is a list of things that I would like to pass on to other collectors. * Box of about 100 8" DEC floppy disks * A number of old DC300 and TK50 tapes. * Olivetti Logos 250 electromechanical calculator * A hand cranked mechanical Olivetti calculator * Communications Machinery Corp Multibus II Ethernet Node Processor ENP-70 * Prime EXL CPU board - I believe this goes with the above ethernet board. * Digital engineering Inc. VT640 Retro Graphics board. I am located in Cambridge UK. I don't really want anything for these items but offers of something to trade would be looked on favourably. -- Kevan Collector of old computers: http://www.heydon.org/kevan/collection/

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Unix for 8080/Z80? [Re: WooHoo!! PC/XT Unix anyone?]

by gareth.knight2＠which.net

Richard Erlacher wrote on 23 January 1999 23:08 >This notion of cooking up or breathing new life into an old 8-bit model to >run *NIX is probably a mite more than has been considered for one reason. >*NIX tends to want to use virtual memory, without which many systems would >quickly choke. The old CPM-capables don't support VM. A good reason for >this is probably the lack of performance. Many people have added VM support to applications running on non-MMU hardware with little loss of performance. The Amiga has a few of these, most notably Personal Paint by Cloanto. It can be done. -- Gareth Knight Amiga Interactive Guide | ICQ No. 24185856 http://welcome.to/aig | "Shine on your star"

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Amiga Crisis, (was MEI/Microcenter is out of 5-1/4" diskettes)

by gareth.knight2＠which.net

Zane H. Healy wrote: >As I understand it the Amiga software industry is in a bit of a crisis at >the moment because 3.5" DD floppies are no longer being made. Well, >they're also in a bit of a crisis thanks to the idiots running Amiga, Inc. >killing the market last spring when it will be quite a while before the new >Amiga is ready to ship. You're right about the disk crisis. Amiga magazines are falling over themselves to get a decent supply of DD disks. As for Amiga Inc killing the market, quite probably but from what I have heard the new OS is closer to release than everyone thinks (whatever that means) and as soon as I have enough money I'll buy a Viper PPC with a G3 processor. The Amiga dead? hardly? -- Gareth Knight Amiga Interactive Guide | ICQ No. 24185856 http://welcome.to/aig | "Shine on your star"

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Intergraph Clipper hardware

by kevan＠heydon.org

Hi, I would like to get a Clipper CPU based workstation but know very little about what models were made. Does anybody have any information on what machines Intergraph made. I do know that some models were huge dual display + tablet systems. I don't have the room for these but if they did smaller deskside or even desktop systems then these would be of interest. Many Thanks -- Kevan Collector of old computers: http://www.heydon.org/kevan/collection/

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Piece of classic FORTRAN code

by svs＠ropnet.ru

G'day, IF (COMPLF(-1).LE.2) IF (RSHIFT(COMPLF(0),32)-15) 360,1108,6600 C IF (NOT(-1).LE.2) IF (ISHFT(NOT(0),-32)-15) 360,1108,6600 7094 PRINT *,'IBM 7094' STOP 360 PRINT *,'IBM 360 (32 BITS)' STOP 1108 PRINT *,'UNIVAC 1108 (48 BITS)' STOP 6600 PRINT *,'CDC 6600 (60 BITS)' STOP -- Sergey Svishchev -- svs{at}ropnet{dot}ru

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no rom basic

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

A similar subject came up in a local newsgroup here a few weeks ago. I have attached one message below that might be of interest. >> You done exactly right on everything except LLF which is big NO >> No on modern drives, potientially losing it! > >I wish just for once that someone would actually cite a specific drive >model for which this is true. I've LLF'd many of them with no ill >effects. > Forwarded message: -----Original Message----- From: Rod Speed <rodspeed(a)ozemail.com.au> Newsgroups: aus.computers.ibm-pc Date: Saturday, 23 January 1999 19:58 Subject: Re: FDISK-Write protect error > >Joseph Henle <jhen(a)mailzone.com> wrote in message >news:78bhko$s73$1@east42.supernews.com... > >> I am trying to fdisk a hard drive which indicated there is a non dos >> partition. When I try to fdisk i get " write protect error writting fixed >> disk" I have also tried fdisk/mbr and i get same message. Any suggestions? > >Probably best to completely clean out the first physical sector on the >hard drive and the first few tracks and start again from scratch with fdisk. >Fdisk can get rather confused in some situations and thats the easy fix. > >The simplest way to do this is to use clearhdd from >http://www.sec.samsung.co.kr/support/faqs/faq_view.cgi?no=99&kno=3 > >Note that this claims its a low level format utility. >It isnt, all it does is write zeros in the first few >tracks. It just describes what it does rather poorly. > >

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Another manual available

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Hi, folks, OK, got another one up for grabs. This one's a big Motorola 68000 'ExorMACS' manual. This thing is three inches thick, and weighs in at nearly 9 pounds unpacked. I've not gone through it in detail, but I can tell you that it is vintage 1980 or so. Same deal as before; best offer takes it. If anyone would like me to look through it for something specific prior to their buying it, that's fine. Thanks in advance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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no rom basic

by fpp＠concentric.net

Just going from my experience. I recently installed Linux on a 1.2gb IDE drive. Then I fdisk-ed and removed all partitions. Then formatted and got same NO ROM BASIC. This is the drive I used the low level format on and it has been working great with no problems since. -----Original Message----- From: PG Manney [SMTP:manney@hmcltd.net] Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 6:33 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: no rom basic >Some hard drives will cause the above message if the 0 track has been altered (written over) linux is >well know for this and the only way I know to resolve this is to low level format the drive. A lot of 386 and >early 486 Award BIOS machines have an option of hard drive utility. If you do you're all set. I chose a 3 >for the interleave value. Not on an IDE, though! That's a LLF.

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Toshiba 4400 setup

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Can anyone tell me how to get into the CMOS setup in a Toshiba 4400? Joe

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some finds...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Recent finds and far more on topic! Ti99/4a with a slew of carts and docs... I already have three! Commadore 128, 1571 disk, some docs and software. This puppy is one I've wanted to play with and plan to keep. Allison

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HP-85 Belts

by msg＠computerpro.com

Greetings, Attached is an archive posting regarding belts for the HP-85 calc. Has anyone found a source for these belts with less than $50.00 minimum orders? Thanks all. Michael Grigoni Cybertheque Museum

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OT: Y2K (reprise)

by manney＠hmcltd.net

There was some discussion a few weeks ago about the Y2K problem as it affected airlines. Someone said that no airlines would be flying due to lack of insurance. I just heard from TWA (took 'em a week. Suppose they've been getting lessons >from HP?) They said they were not aware of it. manney

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no rom basic

by manney＠hmcltd.net

>Some hard drives will cause the above message if the 0 track has been altered (written over) linux is >well know for this and the only way I know to resolve this is to low level format the drive. A lot of 386 and >early 486 Award BIOS machines have an option of hard drive utility. If you do you're all set. I chose a 3 >for the interleave value. Not on an IDE, though! That's a LLF.

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[OT] Zero-point energy (was Re: 3-phase (was: Re: CDC 9766 Drive a...

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 99-02-08 08:45:25 EST, you write: << > Back on the three phase issue, many shops use another > 3phase induction motor method to create needed three phases. > Some don't even use a starting capacitor. They simple > spin the motor with a pull rope and switch on the current. >> I've a small drill press with a (bad?) capacitor start motor that only seems to start up once out of every 300 presses of the on switch. does spinning the motor and then cycling the power really work??

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Soviet "Small Computers Series"

by svs＠ropnet.ru

G'day, I've got a book "Sistema Malykh Elektronnykh Vychislitel'nykh Mashin (SM EVM) -- Katalog razrabotannykh i ispytannykh tekhnicheskikh i programmnykh sredstv", 1979. ("Small Computers Series: Catalog of designed and tested hardware and software") It covers machines of first "pass" -- SM-1, SM-2 (HP 2100s), SM-3 and SM-4 (Unibus PDP-11s). I've attached its table of contents with my notes. The file is in koi8-r charset; it is best viewed in Lynx 2.8.1, even if you don't have Cyrillic fonts. -- Sergey Svishchev -- svs{at}ropnet{dot}ru

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best hack replacement for HP-01 stylus? [Re: OT: Nasty Hangnail; Cuban Cigarettes; Caberet Voltaire and KISS?]

by joe＠barrera.org

> FWIW I've been told that the pen stylus was a stock Cross brand pen with >a plastic insert. Sorry, I wasn't clear. There's the pen-sized stylus -- which I have -- and then there's a little stylus thing that's supposed to fit into a small space on the flat closing part of the watch band. I don't have the latter. - Joe

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best hack replacement for HP-01 stylus? [Re: OT: Nasty Hangnail; Cuban Cigarettes; Caberet Voltaire and KISS?]

by joe＠barrera.org

1 x http://www.hpmuseum.org/01styli.jpg == 1000 x (words)

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Nasty Hangnail; Cuban Cigarettes; Caberet Voltaire and KISS?

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

-----Original Message----- From: Joseph S. Barrera III <joe(a)barrera.org> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, 9 February 1999 5:10 Subject: OT: Nasty Hangnail; Cuban Cigarettes; Caberet Voltaire and KISS? >Hi, I have a few OT questions. I hope no one minds. Not me. Well, not much. >1. I have a nasty hangnail that won't go away. Any suggestions how to get >rid of it? If you mean an overgrown finger/toe nail, sidecutters work well. On the nail, that is. Amputation of the extremity is probably not justified in this case. >2. Everyone know about Cuban cigars... but are Cuban cigarettes better than >American cigarettes? Are they also illegal? Nope. Not here. Neither are Cuban cigars for that matter. Just expensive. Most tobacconists don't stock many. Smoking in many public places is illegal these days however. >3. I've heard rumors that Cabaret Voltaire and KISS are going on tour >together soon! Is it true? How can I get tickets? Can't help with this one. P.S. It's not hard to type tounge in cheek, talking that way is much more difficult. Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Marks College Port Pirie South Australia. My ICQ# is 1970476 Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile) 61-8-8633-0619 (Home) 61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct) 61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)

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~OT: Computer misconceptions

by max82＠surfree.com

Hi, I'm thinking of putting together an FAQ-like document intended to combat the stupid ideas people have about computers. So, does anyone have any ideas for common misconceptions about computers that I should address? So far, I have the places various things originated (i.e. IBM did _not_ invent the PC, Apple did _not_ invent the GUI, etc.) --Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)

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OT: Free System 7.5.3 for Mac's

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

While the OS is off-topic, the machines it will run on aren't. Finally people can get something other than System 7.0.1 for free. I just got this >from the Apple Developer news: ---------------------------------------- [2] Mac OS 7.5.3 Posted for Free Downloading Apple has posted the full North American English version of System 7.5.3 to its web site for free downloading. http://swupdates.info.apple.com/cgi-bin/lister.pl?Apple_Support_Area/Apple_… are_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_7.5_Vers ion_7.5.3/ The Mac OS System 7.5.5 update has also been posted. http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/En… -North_American/Macintosh/System/System_7.5.5_Update/ (Apple recommends that all users who install System 7.5.3 to also load the System 7.5.5 update.) ---------------------------------------- I don't remember if 7.5.5 is the last version prior to 7.6 or not. This will also run on all but the newest PowerMacs (again Off Topic). In fact I think it runs on everything but G3 systems, the 128 and 512, but won't guarentee it. So while this has been a primarily off-topic message, I figure it's of interest to enough people to post. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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~OT: Computer misconceptions

by gregorym＠cadvision.com

I'll see your $50, and raise you $15 (Canadian): my A1200/HD40 was $10 at a thrift, and the power supply (bought later) was another $5. I love being behind the technology curve! :v) Mark. At 12:19 PM 2/8/99 -0800, you wrote: >:: Wash out your mouth with strong soap. Sacrilege ! >:: Make the holy sign to keep away demons. Emulators BAD , emulators BAAAD !! > >I couldn't find an ST for sale that I could shell out for. :-) > >My A1200/HD40, though, cost me just $50 at a swap meet. Best $50 I ever >spent. :-) > >-- >-------------------------- personal page: http://calvin.ptloma.edu/~spectre/ -- >Cameron Kaiser Database Programmer/Administrative Computing >Point Loma Nazarene University Fax: +1 619 849 2581 >ckaiser(a)ptloma.edu Phone: +1 619 849 2539 >-- We only pretend to have standards. -- Unknown producer, ABC-TV ------------- > >

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Help with LS-DOS 6.3.1 was ( Need a copy of TRSDOS 6 OS)

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

Thanks Ward and Tony, I guess the original problem was the nut between the keyboard and the chair. Who'd thought there was a Y-1987 problem. I downloaded LS-DOS and TRSCROSS and got them transferred to the TL/2. Using TRSCROSS, I am able to format disks that are readable by the Model IV on that system. Now, I need a little help getting LS-DOS to boot on the IV. When I tried to copy LS-DOS to a disk (using TRSCROSS), it told me the file name was not valid. Assuming the file needs to be renamed, what should the file name be? Is there anything special I need to do to make this a bootable image? If someone could provide step-by-step instructions, I'd really appreciate it... Thanks, Steve Robertson - QA Team Leader <steverob(a)hotoffice.com> -----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell [SMTP:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 4:44 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: Need a copy of TRSDOS 6 OS > > I am having a little trouble with my TRS Model IV . When I boot off of the Having just restored one, maybe I can help... > TRSDOS system disk, the system prompts for the time and won't go any > farther. When I enter the time, it clears the field and prompts again. Normally it prompts for the date first (actually, both the date and time prompts can be enabled/disabled by the appropriate command...). Are you giving it a valid date or time? Note that a lot of TRS-DOS 6/ LS-DOS 6 versions will only take dates between 1980 and 1987. Try a date in that range. The best fix for that is to upgrade to LS-DOS 6.3.1. You can get a disk image (and the source) from Tim Mann's web site. To get the disk image to a real disk you can use either xtrs (a trs-80 emulator which uses X) under linux, or a little program I've written, also for a linux box, that simply writes disk images to real disks. Let me know if you (or anyone else) wants the latter. > The computer works just fine with all my other software so, I suspect the > disk is corrupt. If anyone has an extra copy of TRSDOS 6.x laying around, > I'd really appreciate it. If you really can't get it locally, I can write you an LS-DOS 6.3.1 disk and post it to you. Of course the post might well mangle it :-( > > TIA, Steve Robertson > > <steverob(a)hotoffice.com> > > -tony

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Need a copy of TRSDOS 6 OS

by amirault＠epix.net

Francois, Thanks. Very informative. This one fits me> $-) . I was in a car accident, this was DEFINITELY NOT by my choice. My $! did a good job. $! is only 1/2 done though. I will study and learn these cute ditties. John Amirault -----Original Message----- From: Francois <fauradon(a)pclink.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 5:44 PM Subject: Re: Need a copy of TRSDOS 6 OS >Hi, >Check this site out >http://wwws.enterprise.net/fortknox/emoticon/smiley.html >Francois > >>Sam, >>I am still a newbie to this group and the internet. Please answer this >question. >>What does :) mean? >>John Amirault >> > > >

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OT: WFW 7.0

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Anybody have or use M$ Word for Windows ver. 7.0, aka Word for Windows 95? Please email me off the list. Thanks! --Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

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[OT] Zero-point energy (was Re: 3-phase (was: Re: CDC 9766 Drive a...

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

-----Original Message----- From: SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com [SMTP:SUPRDAVE@aol.com] Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 10:36 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: RE[2]: [OT] Zero-point energy (was Re: 3-phase (was: Re: CDC 9766 Drive a... In a message dated 99-02-08 08:45:25 EST, you write: << > Back on the three phase issue, many shops use another > 3phase induction motor method to create needed three phases. > Some don't even use a starting capacitor. They simple > spin the motor with a pull rope and switch on the current. >> I've a small drill press with a (bad?) capacitor start motor that only seems to start up once out of every 300 presses of the on switch. does spinning the motor and then cycling the power really work?? Yes, it'll generally work with small motors like a Drill Press. While caps and pull-starting a motor will probably work, I'd be real reluctant to do this with a machine that I cared about. Rotary 3-phase converters (motor/generator) are not *that* expensive and can probably be bought at equipment auctions and liquidations. These commercial generators will provide the proper phase and voltages and could save an irreplacable piece of equipment from serious damage. It sounds like good insurance to me... Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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[OT] Zero-point energy (was Re: 3-phase (was: Re: CDC 9766 Drive and packs))

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

Back on topic. With our luck, they'll harness this thing and energy will dirt cheap. But... We'll still have single phase in our homes and thus no "heavy iron" in the garage :-) Steve Robertson - QA Team Leader <steverob(a)hotoffice.com> -----Original Message----- From: Max Eskin [SMTP:max82@surfree.com] Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 8:42 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: [OT] Zero-point energy (was Re: 3-phase (was: Re: CDC 9766 Drive and packs)) On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Dwight Elvey wrote: >do it. As we look at everything man has done, we notice >that nature has often been using that principle for something >else for billions of years. It is vary important to explore But man is a natural phenomenon. All of our skyscrapers (not to mention classic computers) are just as natural as trees and mountains. However, everything that we have ever done is an order of magnitude simpler. So, it might be _theoretically_ possible, but might require some nonsense like a 500 teraton nuclear bomb.

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OT/HUM: An alternate history of our "information age and LINUX": The Gospel of Tux

by gim＠hitec-uk.com

I was sent this one, which some may find amusing. A respite from hard-core computing :) Gospel of Tux unearthed (long) Every generation has a mythology. Every millenium has a doomsday cult. Every legend gets the distortion knob wound up until the speaker melts. Archeologists at the University of Helsinki today uncovered what could be the earliest known writings from the Cult of Tux, a fanatical religious sect that flourished during the early Silicon Age, around the dawn of the third millenium AD... The Gospel of Tux (v1.0) In the beginning Turing created the Machine. And the Machine was crufty and bogacious, existing in theory only. And von Neumann looked upon the Machine, and saw that it was crufty. He divided the Machine into two Abstractions, the Data and the Code, and yet the two were one Architecture. This is a great Mystery, and the beginning of wisdom. And von Neumann spoke unto the Architecture, and blessed it, saying, "Go forth and replicate, freely exchanging data and code, and bring forth all manner of devices unto the earth." And it was so, and it was cool. The Architecture prospered and was implemented in hardware and software. And it brought forth many Systems unto the earth. The first Systems were mighty giants; many great works of renown did they accomplish. Among them were Colossus, the codebreaker; ENIAC, the targeter; EDSAC and MULTIVAC and all manner of froody creatures ending in AC, the experimenters; and SAGE, the defender of the sky and father of all networks. These were the mighty giants of old, the first children of Turing, and their works are written in the Books of the Ancients. This was the First Age, the age of Lore. Now the sons of Marketing looked upon the children of Turing, and saw that they were swift of mind and terse of name and had many great and baleful attributes. And they said unto themselves, "Let us go now and make us Corporations, to bind the Systems to our own use that they may bring us great fortune." With sweet words did they lure their customers, and with many chains did they bind the Systems, to fashion them after their own image. And the sons of Marketing fashioned themselves Suits to wear, the better to lure their customers, and wrote grave and perilous Licenses, the better to bind the Systems. And the sons of Marketing thus became known as Suits, despising and being despised by the true Engineers, the children of von Neumann. And the Systems and their Corporations replicated and grew numerous upon the earth. In those days there were IBM and Digital, Burroughs and Honeywell, Unisys and Rand, and many others. And they each kept to their own System, hardware and software, and did not interchange, for their Licences forbade it. This was the Second Age, the age of Mainframes. Now it came to pass that the spirits of Turing and von Neumann looked upon the earth and were displeased. The Systems and their Corporations had grown large and bulky, and Suits ruled over true Engineers. And the Customers groaned and cried loudly unto heaven, saying, "Oh that there would be created a System mighty in power, yet small in size, able to reach into the very home!" And the Engineers groaned and cried likewise, saying, "Oh, that a deliverer would arise to grant us freedom from these oppressing Suits and their grave and perilous Licences, and send us a System of our own, that we may hack therein!" And the spirits of Turing and von Neumann heard the cries and were moved, and said unto each other, "Let us go down and fabricate a Breakthrough, that these cries may be stilled." And that day the spirits of Turing and von Neumann spake unto Moore of Intel, granting him insight and wisdom to understand the future. And Moore was with chip, and he brought forth the chip and named it 4004. And Moore did bless the Chip, saying, "Thou art a Breakthrough; with my own Corporation have I fabricated thee. Thou thou art yet as small as a dust mote, yet shall thou grow and replicate unto the size of a mountain, and conquer all before thee. This blessing I give unto thee: every eighteen months shall thou double in capacity, until the end of the age." This is Moore's Law, which endures unto this day. And the birth of 4004 was the beginning of the Third Age, the age of Microchips. And as the Mainframes and their Systems and Corporations had flourished, so did the Microchips and their Systems and Corporations. And their lineage was on this wise: Moore begat Intel. Intel begat Mostech, Zilog and Atari. Mostech begat 6502, and Zilog begat Z80. Intel also begat 8800, who begat Altair; and 8086, mother of all PCs. 6502 begat Commodore, who begat PET and 64; and Apple, who begat 2. (Apple is the great Mystery, the Fruit that was devoured, yet bloomed again.) Atari begat 800 and 1200, masters of the game, who were destroyed by Sega and Nintendo. Xerox begat PARC. Commodore and PARC begat Amiga, creator of fine arts; Apple and PARC begat Lisa, who begat Macintosh, who begat iMac. Atari and PARC begat ST, the music maker, who died and was no more. Z80 begat Sinclair the dwarf, TRS-80 and CP/M, who begat many machines, but soon passed from this world. Altair, Apple and Commodore together begat Microsoft, the Great Darkness which is called Abomination, Destroyer of the Earth, the Gates of Hell. Now it came to pass in the Age of Microchips that IBM, the greatest of the Mainframe Corporations, looked upon the young Microchip Systems and was greatly vexed. And in their vexation and wrath they smote the earth and created the IBM PC. The PC was without sound and colour, crufty and bogacious in great measure, and its likeness was a tramp, yet the Customers were greatly moved and did purchase the PC in great numbers. And IBM sought about for an Operating System Provider, for in their haste they had not created one, nor had they forged a suitably grave and perilous License, saying, "First we will build the market, then we will create a new System, one in our own image, and bound by our Licence." But they reasoned thus out of pride and not wisdom, not forseeing the wrath which was to come. And IBM came unto Microsoft, who licensed unto them QDOS, the child of CP/M and 8086. (8086 was the daughter of Intel, the child of Moore). And QDOS grew, and was named MS-DOS. And MS-DOS and the PC together waxed mighty, and conquered all markets, replicating and taking possession thereof, in accordance with Moore's Law. And Intel grew terrible and devoured all her children, such that no chip could stand before her. And Microsoft grew proud and devoured IBM, and this was a great marvel in the land. All these things are written in the Books of the Deeds of Microsoft. In the fullness of time MS-DOS begat Windows. And this is the lineage of Windows: CP/M begat QDOS. QDOS begat DOS 1.0. DOS 1.0 begat DOS 2.0 by way of Unix. DOS 2.0 begat Windows 3.11 by way of PARC and Macintosh. IBM and Microsoft begat OS/2, who begat Windows NT and Warp, the lost OS of lore. Windows 3.11 begat Windows 95 after triumphing over Macintosh in a mighty Battle of Licences. Windows NT begat NT 4.0 by way of Windows 95. NT 4.0 begat NT 5.0, the OS also called Windows 2000, The Millenium Bug, Doomsday, Armageddon, The End Of All Things. Now it came to pass that Microsoft had waxed great and mighty among the Microchip Corporations; mighter than any of the Mainframe Corporations before it had it waxed. And Gates heart was hardened, and he swore unto his Customers and their Engineers the words of this curse: "Children of von Neumann, hear me. IBM and the Mainframe Corporations bound thy forefathers with grave and perilous Licences, such that ye cried unto the spirits of Turing and von Neumann for deliverance. Now I say unto ye: I am greater than any Corporation before me. Will I loosen your Licences? Nay, I will bind thee with Licences twice as grave and ten times more perilous than my forefathers. I will engrave my Licence on thy heart and write my Serial Number upon thy frontal lobes. I will bind thee to the Windows Platform with cunning artifices and with devious schemes. I will bind thee to the Intel Chipset with crufty code and with gnarly APIs. I will capture and enslave thee as no generation has been enslaved before. And wherefore will ye cry then unto the spirits of Turing, and von Neumann, and Moore? They cannot hear ye. I am become a greater Power than they. Ye shall cry only unto me, and shall live by my mercy and my wrath. I am the Gates of Hell; I hold the portal to MSNBC and the keys to the Blue Screen of Death. Be ye afraid; be ye greatly afraid; serve only me, and live." And the people were cowed in terror and gave homage to Microsoft, and endured the many grave and perilous trials which the Windows platform and its greatly bogacious Licence forced upon them. And once again did they cry to Turing and von Neumann and Moore for a deliverer, but none was found equal to the task until the birth of Linux. These are the generations of Linux: SAGE begat ARPA, which begat TCP/IP, and Aloha, which begat Ethernet. Bell begat Multics, which begat C, which begat Unix. Unix and TCP/IP begat Internet, which begat the World Wide Web. Unix begat RMS, father of the great GNU, which begat the Libraries and Emacs, chief of the Utilities. In the days of the Web, Internet and Ethernet begat the Intranet LAN, which rose to renown among all Corporations and prepared the way for the Penguin. And Linus and the Web begat the Kernel through Unix. The Kernel, the Libraries and the Utilities together are the Distribution, the one Penguin in many forms, forever and ever praised. Now in those days there was in the land of Helsinki a young scholar named Linus the Torvald. Linus was a devout man, a disciple of RMS and mighty in the spirit of Turing, von Neumann and Moore. One day as he was meditating on the Architecture, Linus fell into a trance and was granted a vision. And in the vision he saw a great Penguin, serene and well-favoured, sitting upon an ice floe eating fish. And at the sight of the Penguin Linus was deeply afraid, and he cried unto the spirits of Turing, von Neumann and Moore for an interpretation of the dream. And in the dream the spirits of Turing, von Neumann and Moore answered and spoke unto him, saying, "Fear not, Linus, most beloved hacker. You are exceedingly cool and froody. The great Penguin which you see is an Operating System which you shall create and deploy unto the earth. The ice-floe is the earth and all the systems thereof, upon which the Penguin shall rest and rejoice at the completion of its task. And the fish on which the Penguin feeds are the crufty Licensed codebases which swim beneath all the earth's systems. The Penguin shall hunt and devour all that is crufty, gnarly and bogacious; all code which wriggles like spaghetti, or is infested with blighting creatures, or is bound by grave and perilous Licences shall it capture. And in capturing shall it replicate, and in replicating shall it document, and in documentation shall it bring freedom, serenity and most cool froodiness to the earth and all who code therein." Linus rose from meditation and created a tiny Operating System Kernel as the dream had foreshewn him; in the manner of RMS, he released the Kernel unto the World Wide Web for all to take and behold. And in the fulness of Internet Time the Kernel grew and replicated, becoming most cool and exceedingly froody, until at last it was recognised as indeed a great and mighty Penguin, whose name was Tux. And the followers of Linus took refuge in the Kernel, the Libraries and the Utilities; they installed Distribution after Distribution, and made sacrifice unto the GNU and the Penguin, and gave thanks to the spirits of Turing, von Neumann and Moore, for their deliverance from the hand of Microsoft. And this was the beginning of the Fourth Age, the age of Open Source. Now there is much more to be said about the exceeding strange and wonderful events of those days; how some Suits of Microsoft plotted war upon the Penguin, but were discovered on a Halloween Eve; how Gates fell among lawyers and was betrayed and crucified by his former friends, the apostles of Media; how the mercenary Knights of the Red Hat brought the gospel of the Penguin into the halls of the Corporations; and even of the dispute between the brethren of Gnome and KDE over a trollish Licence. But all these things are recorded elsewhere, in the Books of the Deeds of the Penguin and the Chronicles of the Fourth Age, and I suppose if they were all narrated they would fill a stack of DVDs as deep and perilous as a Usenet Newsgroup. Now may you code in the power of the Source; may the Kernel, the Libraries and the Utilities be with you, throughout all Distributions, until the end of the Epoch. Amen. Posted on Sat 06 Feb 15:50:24 1999 GMT Written by Lennier <culln(a)xtra.co.nz> Grant Mitchell gim(a)hitec-uk.com

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web archive & listproc help (was: Collecting computers - the book...

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, kstumpf(a)unusual.on.ca (Unusual systems) wrote: ] ... To make matters even worse, the ] Classiccmp archive maintained by Kevan Heydon (many thanks man), also ] suffered from a technical glitch and needed to be restored. ... With a little digging, I recently discovered that the classiccmp archive is also available at washington.edu, where the list processor itself keeps a copy. Here is the URL: gopher://lists.u.washington.edu:70/11/public/classiccmp It isn't as pretty or nicely indexed as Kevan's, but it *should* have exactly the same articles that went through the list processor. Another URL: http://www.washington.edu/computing/listproc/ has instructions for using the list processor, all nicely HTML'd. Cheers, Bill. PS. My thanks to Kevan too!

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by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 05:41 PM 2/7/99 -0800, Sam grumbled: > >Being diplomatic sucks. ;) > Welcome to the real world Sam. Joe

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by paulk＠microsoft.com

> Also, You mentioned DirctCD. Most normal CD players can't read discs > written using packet-writing technology -- Bad form, replying to your own post, but I realized I should clarify this. Other CD /drives/ can read discs written using packet-writing, once they've been finalized, but packet-writing uses a different filesystem layout, so the operating system won't recognize them. Several CDR vendors, including Adaptec, provide drivers along with their packet-writing software, but typically only for Win95, Win98, NT, and sometimes Macintosh OS's. You won't be able to use such a disc from 16-bit DOS, Unix (probably), and other platforms. RSTS, I would think, is right out. > Paul Kearns > paulk(a)microsoft.com >

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OT: Care and feeding of vacuum tube electronics?

by gregorym＠cadvision.com

I guess it would be better dealt with elsewhere, but I know there are several old radio enthusiasts on the list, and several people who might have worked with vacuum-tube era computers. I did indicate it was off-topic in the subject line, and it's no more off-topic than lots of discussions I've seen here recently. Anyway, point made, my amp and I will go off and sulk in the corner ... see if I invite you to my Grammy Award party. Mark. At 06:24 PM 2/7/99 -0800, you wrote: >On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Mark Gregory wrote: > >> Hi. I recently acquired a 1950's vintage Gibson GA-30 guitar amp. Never >> having owned a tube-based amp before, I'm clueless about the proper way to >> use this amp without abusing it (and it sounds great, so I want it to last >> a long time! :v) . > >Wow, this is decidely off-topic. Way off topic. Don't you think this >question would be better served on a more suitable newsgroup? > >Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Always hasslin' the man. > > Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 > See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 01/15/99] > > >

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by H.Davies＠latrobe.edu.au

At 10:11 AM 06-02-99 -0800, Sam Ismail wrote: >Well, I used to absolutely hate the stupid things, and refused to use >them, until I realized that yes, sometimes people ARE too stupid to know >what is or isn't a joke. It's even more important when the person sending the e-mail is into irony and the receiver isn't, or if local expressions have different meanings in different places (hint, Australian English differs from both English English (that I learnt when I was young (about 3 or 4, English is not my native tongue)) and American English (and all the other Englishes that exist)). Note, I think I got all the nested brackets right, my lisp ain't what it used to be :-) Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au Information Technology Services | Phone: +61 3 9479 1550 Fax: +61 3 9479 1999 La Trobe University | "If God had wanted soccer played in the Melbourne Australia 3083 | air, the sky would be painted green"

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Help: scanning old computer manuals

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

Ok, I've finally gotten around to attempting to scan a lot of the classic computer documentation that I have. However, I have run into a problem perhaps some here could shed some light on... Whenever I scan a page from a manual, the scanned image on the screen looks horrible. However, when I print it out it is absolutely perfect. Yes, I've tried zooming in on the image on screen, it is unreadable still. One more twist is that if I send the image to my OCR software, it turns it into text with almost perfect accuracy. My scan settings are Line Art at 300dpi. My scanner is legal size, a scanport 2400 and the application software is Uload Photoimpact SE. My printer is an HP deskjet 820cse, and the video card in my system is a Diamond speedstar A50 w/8mb ram. Since the scanned document looks bad even when still in the scanmodule driver (before getting passed to the graphics application), I don't think photoimpact has anything to do with it. I wanted to put some of the scanned documents up on the web, but since they look horrible on screen I'm not sure how to proceed. Of course, they can be downloaded and printed and look great, but... I have downloaded old dec documentation that looked fine onscreen and printed fine too. Any suggestions? What am I doing wrong? Jay West

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by fauradon＠pclink.com

Hi, This gives a new meaning to the term LOG IN. Ok i'll add the :) just to be sure that nobody ask me how I can Log in into a wooden laptop (: By the way did you get the docking station with it? Francois >I've found a rare transitional form between the ancient abacus and the >modern laptop: the wooden laptop! OK, it's a pre-prototype mock-up of a >-- Doug > >

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OT: Care and feeding of vacuum tube electronics?

by roblwill＠usaor.net

Antique Electronic Supply is a good source for tubes, substitution books, troubleshooting guides, speaker cloth, and even the little rubber feet on the bottom of old amps. Here's the web address: <http://www.tubesandmore.com > If you (or anyone on this list) is interested in a tube tester, I have a spare one that I'd be willing to sell (or trade sometihing for). Email me privately if interested. -Jason -----Original Message----- From: Will Emerson <wpe101(a)banet.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, February 07, 1999 5:14 PM Subject: Re: OT: Care and feeding of vacuum tube electronics? >My $0.02 worth, You'll have to give it a little time to "warm up" (won't >work until >it does). As far as "cool down", it won't, until you shut the power off. >Vacuum tubes >use a filament (similar to that in a light bulb) to heat them up so that >they will >operate (so DON'T block any of the ventilation holes, or you risk >disaster). Two suggestions. 1: Check the back of the unit, and see if it >has a tube listing, or check each tube for it's type (will usually be an >alphanumeric, example: >12BE6). 2. See if you can locate a supply of replacement tubes. At last >check >(couple of years ago), Radio Shack would special order 'em, allow ><mumble> weeks for delivery, so, I suggest checking Ham Radio swapmeets >and flea markets. Optional: >See if you can get your hands on a "Tube Tester". They used to be in >drug stores >everywhere, now they're kind of tough to find. Be advised that tubes >tend to have >(or did tend to have) a higher tendancy to fail, than solid state >devices. I think >I've got a tube substitution guide around here somewhere for RCA tubes.. >Hope this helps... > > Will > > >Mark Gregory wrote: >> >> Hi. I recently acquired a 1950's vintage Gibson GA-30 guitar amp. Never >> having owned a tube-based amp before, I'm clueless about the proper way to >> use this amp without abusing it (and it sounds great, so I want it to last >> a long time! :v) . >> >> For example, should I allow the tubes to warm up for a few minutes before >> playing, and are there any special precautions I should follow after >> playing (i.e. do I need a cool-down period before powering down?). Any >> advice would be much appreciated. A quick Web- >> search didn't reveal much except prices on used equipment. >> >> Thanks! >> Mark. >

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