- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by musicman38＠mindspring.com

>> Anyone heard of the old newsletter Cursor? Is there anyone out there >> with backissues that might be persuaded to photocopy a few? >I seem to recall - I was about 15 at the time so I could never afford it - >Cursor was a newsletter for the Commodore PET that came on (or accompanied >by) a cassette full of fun programs. >Does this tally with other people's memories, or am I thinking of some'at >else? >Philip. Yes I have a couple dozen of the Cursor Magazines, They used to be one of my favorites, Also Run Magazine, and the very best was Transactor Magazine. All published in the 80's Phil..

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by Jgzabol＠aol.com

In einer eMail vom 03.03.99 09:57:34 MEZ, schreibt Doug: << On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Bill Yakowenko wrote: > Is anyone out there actually tinkering with building a relay machine? > The other day I found SPDT relays for less than a buck each in a > Digi-Key catalog. Seems to me they were $0.81 each in quantities of 100 > or more; maybe $1.06 each for 25. I know NPDT (N>1) is better, but for > less than $1 each, this seems pretty good. I've created a small private mailing list for a few people (including me) who are (thinking about) building relay machines. You can get relays pretty cheap at surplus electronic shops, but that doesn't sound like a bad deal for matching new relays.... >> Hi Doug, would you mind to keep me informed ? Before turning to tube equipment, I studied relays. In my way of doing things, strict register transfer logic, a computer is no more general than a counter (on the base level), so I built two different relay counters to see how the technology feels like. It did not agree with me, so I turned to tubes. But still, I would find it quite interesting to see what you do ! You are aware of the Halle site on Zuse Z3? www.informatik.uni-halle.de\~thurm\z3 Regards John G. Zabolitzky

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Book Review: How to Build a Working Digital Computer

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

John Lawson <jpl15(a)netcom.com> said: > I take this trenchant opportunity to remind the Assembled > Faithful that > > www.abebooks.com > > is, IMHO a rilly bitch'n place to score Olde Computer Books. > > I have just today gotten my copy of "Digital Techniques for >Computation and Control, 1958... full of killer pix of cool old >iron, which will go to swell the many megabytes of scans I'm I prefer to use BookFinders http://www.bookfinder.com/ because they search Powell's Books, Amazon.com, Bibliocity, YourBooks.com, Antiqbook AND Advanced Book Exchange with just one search. My latest score? "BRAINIACS: 201 Small Electric Brain Macines, and how to make them, Including all 33 Geniacs (1955), All 13 Tyniacs (1956), and 155 Brainiacs (1957-1958-1959). Illustrated by Ann B. Baker. Berkeley Enterprises, Inc., Newtonville, Mass. (1959). FIRST PRINTING." When I received the book, I found that 3 of the chapters in pamphlet form (published before 1959) were also included. --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA =========================================

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Z3 builders?

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

>But still, I would find it quite interesting to see what you do ! I am also interested in relay driven logic. This seems to be more OT than much of the discussion here so, I'd like to see updates posted to the group. Does anyone have objections to that? Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Q: RL01 --> RL02 switching mods

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Hi folks, A week or so ago there was discussion of modifications to switch an RL02 drive to read (only) RL01 discpaks. I want to perform this mod to one of my RL02s as I have RL01 pacs I want to keep on hand. Could any of you provide the details to this mod? That's why I want to trade an RL01-A printset for an RL02 as seen in my previous msg. I could use a 'roadmap' to help me with this and for future repairs if needed. The SN's of the two RL02s are CX 34389 and CX 34390, if that has any relevance to the modification. Thanks for your help! Regards, Chris PS: I'm getting back into trying to get the 11/34A system up and running. I have the rack and components down in my basement shop now. (My body is still sore. That empty BA-11K and empty 6-foot rack are heavy! :) I will likely be asking a few questions as to why I wasn't able to get a bootup going last autumn and how to fix it. I'm really just a hardware newbie for now. -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/awa

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Found today...

by black＠gco.apana.org.au

Added the following to my growing collection today : Commodore 1201 monochrome monitor ($2) works too. Triumph Adler Alphatronic PC, came with monitor, cables by the bucketload, manuals & 2 external 320k floppies. This one cost $12. It powers up with Microsoft ROM Basic 5.1, but apparently can also run CP/M, so will see what I can do with it....... it originally had a system disk as well, but that no longer exists. If you power on with no disk in the first drive, it won't work ...... What I didn't get : An old HEAVY Osbourne 8088 "portable" (sure - if you've got a crane), they've put it aside for me - next week!. An HP 85 - this one looks interesting, it has a full sized (88) key keyboard, also a tiny 5" green monitor built in, as well, it has a built in printer (dot matrix I *think*), that has a paper roll about 4" wide, not sure exactly what this thing is, anyone know ? (this also is put aside). An IBM (no model number) two internal side-by-side black 3.5" floppies, non-standard monitor connector, PS/2 style mouse & k/brd connectors, small grey box, about the width of a normal keyboard, 5" high, about 12" deep. On the rear "Manufactured by IBM Japan 1987" nothing else. And the final one, at first sight it looked like two floppy drives in a box, closer inspection showed that it was actually a PC of some description, standard RS232 & Centronics port at rear, looks like a normal 9 pin RGB connector & a k/brd connector that was 25 pins, 13 on top, 12 on bottom. Only identification was "Made in South Australia by Australian Typewriters, lisenced from Ohio Computers USA (c) 1980" They want $20 which is a little hexy for something unknown, with no manuals, or keyboard. Oh, the TA is up for grabs (in Australia) if anyone wants it for my cost price plus postage. Cheers, Lance

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Cursor newsletter

by Philip.Belben＠PowerTech.co.uk

> Anyone heard of the old newsletter Cursor? Is there anyone out there > with backissues that might be persuaded to photocopy a few? I seem to recall - I was about 15 at the time so I could never afford it - Cursor was a newsletter for the Commodore PET that came on (or accompanied by) a cassette full of fun programs. Does this tally with other people's memories, or am I thinking of some'at else? Philip.

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Tektronix 4051 & 4052

by Philip.Belben＠PowerTech.co.uk

> I'm posting this to the list so you can't say I didn't do my homework. > I tracked down a 4051 that I saw mentioned on the web and asked about it. > Here's their response: > > Greetings Joe, > I have had your e-mail on my to do list for > sometime but the alligators have been chasing me on other chores. Any > how The tek 4051 is about 1976 vintage and it is only recently that we > disposed of them to our surplus place. We had 4051, 4052 ,plotter, > joystick and a printer. I still have all the manuals and microfiche for > them I think. > The address for our surplus unit is <sniped>. > > I'm already working on trying to get the manuals and to find out about > their surplus disposal. Keep up the good work! I never meant to imply that you had failed to do any homework... Philip.

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FT: RL01-A printset

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Greetings DEC gang: I need an RL02 printset. I have an extra RL01-A printset. Will anybody trade? I'll take a good xerographic copy. If a copy, I would like it kinda sized to fit in my DEC blue prinset binders with my other prinsets. Thanks much. Regards, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/awa

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goodbye [was e-bay item]

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

Enough is enough; this childish one-upmanship and thoughtless bandwidth-wasting public argument about a topic which is of little interest to me, but more to the point where neither party will ever convince the other party that they're wrong has forced me to take the plunge. I realised long ago that the only way to win these sorts of arguments is NOT TO PARTICIPATE. Thanks to everyone who has refrained from adding to the pointless debate. To the others - the only way to win is not to play. Have a think about that. I have unsubscribed, and will not see any replies unless they are directed to my personal email. A -- Andrew Davie adavie(a)mad.scientist.com Museum of Soviet Calculators http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/slide/calculator/soviet.html Yahoo! Netscape, New Scientist, The Wall Street Journal, Newsweek and UK Independant Cool Site!

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Found today...

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

>An IBM (no model number) two internal side-by-side black 3.5" floppies, >non-standard monitor connector, PS/2 style mouse & k/brd connectors, >small grey box, about the width of a normal keyboard, 5" high, about 12" >deep. On the rear "Manufactured by IBM Japan 1987" nothing else. Sounds like an IBM PC JX. Apparently when the IBM PC JR failed in the US market, they sold the design to IBM Japan who revamped it, called it the JX and sold it in places like Australia.

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Lisa screen adjustment

by hansp＠digiweb.com

ACONIT recently acquired an Apple Lisa. It appears to be fully functional except that the video signnal is shited right horizontally about an inch or two. Doeas anyone know of an adjustment for this? Regards _---_--__-_-_----__-_----_-__-__-_-___--_-__--___-__----__--_--__-___- Hans B Pufal Comprehensive Computer Catalogue <mailto:hansp@digiweb.com> <http://digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc>

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Central Point Option Board

by gareth.knight2＠which.net

Lawrence Walker wrote: > Yeah, but the last time I looked they wanted something like $500 for Executor. The demo version is free and can read Mac disks. -- Gareth Knight Amiga Interactive Guide | ICQ No. 24185856 http://welcome.to/aig | "Shine on your star"

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Jumpers for XT-4380

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi Zane: Here are XT-4380 jumper settings, from the functional drive sitting here in front of me: DS1 jumpered JP42 on JP30 on JP31 on JP25 on JP6 on JP17 on JP19-22 on 4 bottom jumpers to the right of JP24 also on. This set of jumpers is bordered on both sides by 10 pin terminators. JP1 on 5 by 2 pin jumper block at the rear of the drive: nothing installed here. This works for me, on an Emulex QD21. Hope this helps, Kevin -- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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Lucky day in Tigard Oregon

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 3/3/99 5:30:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, mbg(a)world.std.com writes: > >What movie featured a group of kids who traveled into space with a ship > >they built controlled by an Apple //c? > > I think it was 'Explorers', starring a very young River Phoenix as > the computer nerd... all the schematics for the devices which > produced oxygen for them, surrounded them with a force field, > and allowed them to translate from position to position all came > to them in dreams... > > I loved the space aliens in it (obviously brother and sister) > who had stolen their parent's space vehicle... the brother talked > in sound bites from old tv shows... > > It comes on once in awhile on HBO (or can be rented)... > it was a neat movie especially since it showed the //c but i always thought it was stupid that they made the apple continually make disk drive access noises to make people think it was "working" david

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30-pin SIMMS

by edick＠idcomm.com

Originally, the SIPP was considered much more reliable than the SIMM. The SIMM sockets were a new product at that time and failure rates were pretty high, and it was easy to package a system more densely with SIPPs than with SIMM's. It was easy to bend the pins on the SIPP's, though, and retailers soon tired of having to hand-hold customers whose problems were simply bent pins, as, once bent, the pins tended to bend again and again until they were broken and repair was improbably if at all possible. Consequently, SIMMs, though less reliable but easier to install, and less likely, in either event, to sustain long-term damage took over the market. Ultimately, socket problems were defeated by persistence, educating the user public, and improved socketing technology. Dick ---------- > From: Max Eskin <max82(a)surfree.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: 30-pin SIMMS > Date: Saturday, February 27, 1999 9:10 PM > > On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, Tony Duell wrote: > >A SIPP is exactly a SIMM with pins soldered on - even the pinouts are the > >same. And thus SIPPs suffer from bent pins, just like individual chips > >do. That's why they went out of fashion. > > But why did anyone attach the pins in the first place? > > --Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)

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S-100 Mystery board

by Watzman＠ibm.net

I bought an S-100 card today at a hamfest for $1.00, now can someone tell me what it is ? It's a "65k byte SupeRam 2" P65D2 Rev. C by PIICEON, Inc. It has 64k of DRAM on it, 4 rows of 8 4116's, but the rest of the board does not look very "Ram-like", AND it has a 34-pin board edge connector at the top of the board. I realize that this suggests a 5" floppy drive interface, but a combined RAM and FDC card ????? Plus, the edge connector is VERY un-floppy like, normally a floppy connector would have half of the pins being ground, this clearly looks like it has active signals on almost all 34 lines. Anyone who has information, it would be appreciated. I'd most like to get a manual and switch settings [there are FOUR dip switches on this thing], also the IC at 9B is missing and the board screening does not identify what should go there. Regards, Barry Watzman

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Lucky day in Tigard Oregon

by mbg＠world.std.com

>What movie featured a group of kids who traveled into space with a ship >they built controlled by an Apple //c? I think it was 'Explorers', starring a very young River Phoenix as the computer nerd... all the schematics for the devices which produced oxygen for them, surrounded them with a force field, and allowed them to translate from position to position all came to them in dreams... I loved the space aliens in it (obviously brother and sister) who had stolen their parent's space vehicle... the brother talked in sound bites from old tv shows... It comes on once in awhile on HBO (or can be rented)... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Lucky day in Tigard Oregon

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

On Wednesday, March 03, 1999 3:35 PM, Sellam Ismail [SMTP:dastar@ncal.verio.com] wrote: > On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, James Willing wrote: > > > Trivia Question: (Compu-Nerd time - practice for the Nerd Trivia Contest > > at VCF III!) What movie had a scene with the lead character sitting on a > > beach with their trusty (?) Apple ][c complete with LCD display panel??? > > I think this is either a question we came up with for the Nerd Trivia > Challenge last year or someone already posted this (I know I've seen it > before). At any rate, it was Roy Scheider in 2010. > > What movie featured a group of kids who traveled into space with a ship > they built controlled by an Apple //c? > > (I hope someone knows...I know the movie but not the name :) > > Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. > > Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 > See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 02/15/99] > > EXPLORERS I'll donate the prize to VCF III ;-) Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Who invented the internet?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I guess we'll have to see what information is available on the net about <that January 1986 event. I do seem to recall that the flight was about 2 <minutes 10+ seconds underway when the ship hit the fan, so to speak. The <entire trip into orbit only required about 8.5 minutes, so they were a fai <piece of the way along. It was exactly at T+73 seconds and Christa's mother is my next door neighbor then and now. It was post max-Q transistion at main engine power up. Every time I see a launch I get a knot at that time. FYI the speed attained at that point is some 3600mph far from orbital velocity. FYI: TLC had a special on space flight just that last week and that footage was part of it. It's a reminder that I didn't need. Allison

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Z3 builders?

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

Is anyone out there actually tinkering with building a relay machine? The other day I found SPDT relays for less than a buck each in a Digi-Key catalog. Seems to me they were $0.81 each in quantities of 100 or more; maybe $1.06 each for 25. I know NPDT (N>1) is better, but for less than $1 each, this seems pretty good. Cheers, Bill.

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Dayton Hamfest

by dogas＠leading.net

Marvin, e t al... How about an early breakfast Sat morning somewhere convenient? - Mike -----Original Message----- From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Dayton Hamfest >Mike wrote: >> >> Hi Barry, >> >> I was thinking about attending the computershow in Dayton in a couple of >> weeks. You say that there is no flea market. Does that mean that >> (classiccomp) systems aren't sold there??? And can I get a general set of >> directions to the Hara.. >> >> Maybe we can do a lunch between or drink after the festivities > >Hi Mike, et al, > >Right now, a friend of mine and I have hotel reservations for Thursday >through Saturday, and my current plans are to leave on Sunday. Who is >interested in getting together? Saturday during the day is tied up with ARDF >activities, and several of us who are trying to build up the US ARDF team >will be meeting tenatively Friday evening. Right now, I have most of Friday >planned to visit the flea market, and probably parts of Sunday also. > >Dayton is getting closer! >

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Tech Ref PC//AT

by rcini＠msn.com

Hello, all: Does anyone have a copy of the Tech Ref manual for the PC/AT that they can spare (temporarily -- I'll make a copy of it)? Specifically, I'm looking for a copy of the BIOS listing in the back, for educational purposes. Thanks! [ Rich Cini/WUGNET [ ClubWin!/CW7 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ <================ reply separator =================>

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Lucky day in Tigard Oregon

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 3/3/99 11:22:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, george(a)racsys.rt.rain.com writes: > Weeks of visits to the local Goodwill paid off last night. > > I even missed it on the first pass..... > > I snagged an Apple ][c LCD panel with attached ][c last night for the > grand price of $29.99. > > This completes my Apple ][ collection! > good job! of course, it doesnt beat the LCD i found complete in box previously used for $3. lol. i've found its really not all that great though. i wouldnt use it on a regular basis as it is just too dark. all i need is a //c+ and my apple collection is complete also. david

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e-bay item

by dogas＠leading.net

I've been pretty quiet this go around... I am however tentatively planning on spamming the hell out of ccauctions with beannie baby sale notifications... Those bastards have ruined this list ;) - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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UK: The Haddock Book

by kevan＠heydon.org

I know the Thomas Haddock book, A Collector's Guide to Personal Computers and Pocket Calculators, is not well liked around this group, but I just thought I would mention that there is a copy in my local book store (Heffers) and if there is anyone in the UK that wants it then I could get it for them. -- Kevan Collector of old computers: http://www.heydon.org/kevan/collection/

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e-bay item

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.990301181341.12293B-100000(a)genco.haggle.com> On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Doug <doug(a)blinkenlights.com> wrote: ] On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, Noel Fields wrote: ] > So far, the bid is 1.00 on it. Thought someone here might be interested :) ] ] If there was already a bid on it, somebody was obviously interested in it, ] but I guess he won't be getting it for $1 anymore :-( Doug wrote once before (21 Jan 1999): ... the moral is the same: if you're contemplating an action that has an equal chance of helping or hurting, watch a movie instead. That stuck in my head, because it has the Ring of Truth(TM) to it. Of course, if posting these "heads-up" messages has an equal chance of helping or hurting, then *failing* to post them does too, as does discouraging people from posting them. So how come people keep doing that, instead of watching movies? Anyway, as far as I can see, posting it here is a win, probabilistically, because it increases the chance that a list member will get the item. If I don't favor any particular list member, then posting the news here is the best way to get the item to the person that wants it most. Keeping it secret means hurting the guy that wanted it most, more than it helped the guy that wanted it less - a net loss. We are all friends here, right? Giving the same news to everybody is perfectly fair, and increases the chance that one of our friends will win (instead of a total stranger). As for the "logical extreme" of posting 17000 items from e-bay to here, nobody does that because, contrary to your assertion, it is not a duty to post these things; it is a nicety. Making the leap from that to "duty" is nuts. (And I think your guestimate of 17000 interesting items is high by about a factor of about 10000. But that's beside the point.) The more ridiculous the arguments become, the more obvious it is that you are just being selfish, and want the rest of the world to help you along with that. Prove me wrong here; the next time you find a great deal out there, post an article here saying how much you bid, and explaining why everyone else here should let you have it for that great price and not interfere. Explain why you deserve it more than anyone else. If you can't do that, then you have no right to be upset when people notify others whom they think will be interested, and those people bid. Having said all that, I must also point out that since another mailing list was set up just for posting these announcements, that is the most appropriate place. Snipped from another old message of Doug's (from 26 Jan 1999): ] ... the idea of an auction mailing list, so I've created one. ] You can subscribe by sending a message to: ] majordomo(a)nut.net ] with the body: ] subscribe ccauction ] ] I, for one, will not be on this new list, but I'll respond ] to admin requests. YOU ARE ALL HEREBY COMMANDED TO SUBSCRIBE! ... thus ending the notification wars once and for all. Hey, a guy can dream, can't he? :-) (BTW, is the ccauction list mentioned in the classiccmp FAQ?) Cheers, Bill.

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Dayton Hamfest

by dogas＠leading.net

Hi Barry, I was thinking about attending the computershow in Dayton in a couple of weeks. You say that there is no flea market. Does that mean that (classiccomp) systems aren't sold there??? And can I get a general set of directions to the Hara.. Maybe we can do a lunch between or drink after the festivities Regards - MIke -----Original Message----- From: Barry A. Watzman <Watzman(a)ibm.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classicmputers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, February 13, 1999 11:31 PM Subject: Dayton Hamfest >The Dayton Hamfest is a fabulous show. It is THE LARGEST amateur radio convention [it's "official" purpose]. The Hara arena is a very good size facility, I'd guess in the over 100,000 sq. ft. range (perhaps WAY over), and it's all indoor, heated/air conditioned [not that it works with 35,000 people in the facility], and all commercial vendors, many, many of which are used computer and surplus dealers (there is lots of new stuff also). It's about 60%-70% computer, the rest general electronics and communications [radio] equipment. > >The flea market takes up the entire parking lot, in excess of 2,500 vendors. There are many commercial exhibits in the parking lot also, you will find a number of very large tents (10,000 square feet range each). Mendelson surplus always has a large tent, and almost every year Radio Shack [as in Tandy] collects their entire surplus and returned merchandise stuff >from all over the nation and sends it all to a big tent at the Dayton Hamfest where it is sold for often ten cents on the retail dollar. However they didn't do this last year, for the first time I can remember, but they still had a huge indoor exhibit with many items, new, at 25% to 50% below normal store and catalog prices. > >The show is logistically difficult to attend for several reasons. First, it brings in so many people [over 25,000 plus a large local population] that poor Dayton, which is hardly a tourist mecca, is complete swamped. You can forget about finding a hotel at this point, the people who do this show get their reservations a year in advance. You may have to stay in Columbus or Cincinnati [both about 70 miles away], fortunately both are directly on an interstate highway and it's not a bad drive. The other problem is parking, since the entire lot is flea market there isn't any ! There are some LARGE fields around the complex that are used for parking, expect to pay $5 to $10 per day, and they are not paved, or very close, which become a real issue in bad weather. Then there are remote lots with busses, but that's a hassle also. > >The show is May 14, 15, 16. > >Here is an alternative, the Dayton Microcomputer association has a twice a year computer show at the same site. It's just about as large as the Hamfest, and it's ALL computer. There is no flea market, the parking lot is used for - surprise ! - PARKING ! It's almost like having 3 Dayton Hamfests a year, except that two of them don't have the flea market. This year's dates (it's only a two-day show): > >Spring: March 13-14 >Summer/Fall: August 28-29 > >I plan to attend all 3 events. > > >

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Unsubscriptions

by jpl15＠netcom.com

u I guess this is on-topic for the moment. Two of my on-line friends have unsubscribed from this list publically; only Derreck is in a position to know how many have lapsed silently. It is the old usenet/mailist syndrome. A disagreement starts, escalates, sides are chosen, persons come in halfway and add distorted fuel, endless changes are rung on is/is not, did/did not, me/no, me!... etc ad nauseum. And when the noise achieves it's sustained reaction peak, valuable contributors take the step of severing thier connection with the source of the noise... be it bandwidth, emotional, harrasment, or other klinds of Internet 'noise'. The response that always works for me is the 'delete' function in my mail software. I personally refuse to descend the slippery slope of Victim Conciousness, no matter how alluring the bottom might seem. I don't like some of the discussions posted here, but I have a noise blanker in Pine, invoked by pressing 'D' once for each instance of a noisy message. And I take responsibility for what I write, and for the manner in which I respond to others using this medium of expression. Okay this is too long. Heavily moderated lists are quiet but necessarily fascistic. Not a bad thing, qua the list in question. Loosely moderated lists generate fabulous discussion and info, but suffer what we now see on classiccmp. A rhetorical question: on what emotional level do you engae this List, and the Net in general? A lot of people espouse Anarchy and Chaos, until one fine night the other Anarchists decide they want your farm more than you do.... :} Cheers John PS: I hope Andrew and Doug reconsider in the fulness of time. I will miss them.

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e-bay item

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 08:54 PM 3/2/99 -0800, you wrote: >On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Joe wrote: > >> Anyway, his view is that if he takes a lower price then people will start >> expecting him to sell cheaper. Therefore he sets a price and he doesn't >> care how long it sets, he won't come off that price. Sooner or later he'll >> scrap it. We just scrapped a brand new $100,000 circuit board component >> placing machine today. It was brand new and was still in the original >> (HUGE) crate. > >That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever! That is a ludicrous way to do >business in my opinion. What have you gained from purchasing something, >spending money to store it, and then deciding to write-off the whole >thing rather than at least make a little money on it (or even break even). >I just don't get it. > Sam, I agree completely. You're better off to get something for it instead of nothing IMO. He thinks he's keeping the prices up by doing it that way, but price doesn't matter if you can't sell it. Joe

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Dayton Hamfest

by dogas＠leading.net

my apoligies, all...

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e-bay item

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 07:08 AM 3/2/99 -0800, Sam wrote: >On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Mike Ford wrote: > >> I am a bit touchy right now because yesterday I had a very unpleasant phone >> exchange. Typical story, guy buys a few pallets at auction, and finds in >> this case some old macs in with the PC stuff he wants. He has, once it is >> cleaned up and checked out, if it is as he describes maybe $400 retail of >> goods. He doesn't just decline my very fair offer (about $150 for the >> curious) in light of the actual untested pile of stuff on a pallet >> condition, but tells me he will just throw it in a dumpster if he can't get >> a retail price. Ignore the fact he paid 3 cents a pound or $20 a pallet, >> and wants me to buy the part he doesn't want. > >This is the worst kind of asshole and I've encountered them a few times. >I can't understand what goes through the puny mind of someone with this >sort of attitude. > I understand them. In fact, I'm working with one of them right now. He just tossed a whole pallet load of PS-2s and another pallet load of HPs. (I wasn't there that day or I would have tried to get them but they know that so I'm sure that's why they were pitched the one day I wasn't there.) Anyway, his view is that if he takes a lower price then people will start expecting him to sell cheaper. Therefore he sets a price and he doesn't care how long it sets, he won't come off that price. Sooner or later he'll scrap it. We just scrapped a brand new $100,000 circuit board component placing machine today. It was brand new and was still in the original (HUGE) crate. Joe

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e-bay item

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 11:50 AM 3/2/99 -0800, Sellam wrote: > >Yes they will. But the sellers are always welcome to go through the >hassle of using ebay rather than the simple immediate exchange of cash for >computers. Cleaner and easier than ebay. Huh? Attending VCF in person and renting a flea market spot and dealing with customers is easier than using eBay? Wow, you really do put a positive spin on VCF. :-) - John

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DEC LA75 printer

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Anyone have a manual for the DEC LA75S-A2? This model has both parallel and >serial ports, although the serial port is the skewed RJ-45 connector. MMJ. See the comp.os.ultrix FAQ for pinouts and comon adapter cables. >I haven't been able to find out anything about configuring/setting up this >printer. Hmm - my LA75 has a SETUP button on the front. Hold it down, power the printer up, you get a menu of options to change. Is the SETUP button not on yours? > There seems to be a little info on the Web on how to set up up for >DOS/Windows, but I want to use it with DEC equipment (VT-220, VT340, Pro, >etc.), and I don't even have a new enough manual to give a description of it. With DEC equipment, you plug it in, turn it on, and go. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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DEC LA75 printer

by dburrows＠netpath.net

Trying again. I just discovered the listproc looks at every message and there is a hold command. Hold the setup button while you turn it on. It will then print its current setup. You can change values with the other buttons. The button names that are below the buttons are for the setup mode. You want the DEC emulation for VT420 etc. use and the "other" emulation is IBM proprinter. Dan >Anyone have a manual for the DEC LA75S-A2? This model has both parallel and >serial ports, although the serial port is the skewed RJ-45 connector. > >I haven't been able to find out anything about configuring/setting up this >printer. There seems to be a little info on the Web on how to set up up for >DOS/Windows, but I want to use it with DEC equipment (VT-220, VT340, Pro, >etc.), and I don't even have a new enough manual to give a description of it. > >It looks like it will take a font cartridge, too? Anything useful? > >Thanks, >Dave >

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More KIM docs to be posted

by rcini＠msn.com

Hello, all: Courtesy of Ruud Baltissen, I have been given OCR'ed versions of the KIM "hints" book and the "user's guide". Over the next few days, I'll reformat them slightly and post them. Enjoy! [ Rich Cini/WUGNET [ ClubWin!/CW7 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ <================ reply separator =================>

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DEC LA75 printer

by djenner＠halcyon.com

Anyone have a manual for the DEC LA75S-A2? This model has both parallel and serial ports, although the serial port is the skewed RJ-45 connector. I haven't been able to find out anything about configuring/setting up this printer. There seems to be a little info on the Web on how to set up up for DOS/Windows, but I want to use it with DEC equipment (VT-220, VT340, Pro, etc.), and I don't even have a new enough manual to give a description of it. It looks like it will take a font cartridge, too? Anything useful? Thanks, Dave

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Central Point Option Board

by PB14＠leicester.ac.uk

On 1 Mar 99 at 1:58, Gareth Knight wrote: > Zane H. Healy mentioned reading Mac disks in Windows: > >Rumor has it that there is something along these lines. Since use a Mac > >and Windows I've never looked into it. > > There is a freeware utility called TransMac or something like that. It is > also possible to use Mac CDs and disks using the Executor Mac emulator. There are two DOS based shareware apps, MacSee and Macette. Try your local Simtel mirror site in the DOS area under DISK. Needless to say, these utils only work for 1.4Mb disks, not 400/800Kb. Phil ************************************************************** Phil Beesley -- Computer Officer -- Distributed Systems Suppport University of Leicester Tel (0)116 252-2231 E-Mail pb14(a)le.ac.uk

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3270 card for PC

by edick＠idcomm.com

On the off-chance that someone can use it for something, I'll offer a CXI 3270 (coax) board for the 8-bit ISA bus, condition unknown. I plan to ship via USPS Priority mail. If you want it, let me know. I have had little use for such a card, but I am told if you need one, little else will do. Dick

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FREE: ~5160

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 3/2/99 1:42:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, jott(a)roadkill.ee.nd.edu writes: > There may be some IBM 5160 type computers available in a day or two. > I'm not interested, but if someone wants to pay shipping I'll look > into it. Reply quickly, since I'm not interested they'll go in the > dumpster if I don't hear anything. > > john well, they're only XTs, but shirley they deserve something better than just to be thrown out? Personally, I don't think any computer no matter how 'worthless' should be thrown out. It could do word processing or dos tutoring at the very least.

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e-bay item

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 02:58 PM 3/1/99 -0800, Sellam Ismail wrote: >So far, as far as being THE venue for buying/selling/trading old computer >things, I say that the VCF is second only to eBay. But the advantage of >the VCF is that you can get stuff MUCH cheaper than you would have to pay >on eBay. Last year all sorts of excellent stuff got sold for very >reasonable prices. The VCF is an admirable effort, indeed, but I don't see how you're going to avoid eBay's influence on the price of old computers. For the booth sales, I'm sure eBay's prices will have an effect on the initial price for some high-profile items, don't you? The VCF isn't an auction, right? Or are you thinking of an auction format for next year? If you took a small cut, it might be good for the bottom line. - John

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Parsys Ltd T9000 SuperCluster documentation & software

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

>For the T2/T4/T8 (original transputers), there's the : >C004 crospoint switch >C011 parallel bus -> link interface >C012 ditto > >According to the databook, for the T9000 there's (at least) the : >C100 Protocol converter (links T9000 links to T2/T4/T8 links) >C104 packet routing switch (same sort of function as the C004) >C101 parallel bus -> link interface > >Be warned, I've done quite a bit with the original transputers (both >TRAMs and bare chips), but I've never seen a T9000. > I just found out that I have all the datasheets from Inmos! The IMSB103 is a DS-Link to Ethernet interface. I also got some more info on the T9000 transputers. I too have never seen a T9000 or worked with them, so I don't know too much about them either. I did work with T4 and T8 though. Ram

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e-bay item

by nfields＠ix.netcom.com

To doug, and the rest of the list. First, to doug. As for my "contribution to the last flame war" I made one post stating my opinion. I'm sorry if you feel this is not allowable. To anyone else, that I may have offended, by posting an e-bay auction, I do apologize, again. I must say, that I am disappointed with this. I subscribed to this list, because I enjoy older computers, and I wanted to learn more about them. As a thank you for the knowledge that I learned, I attempted to help someone else by pointing out a possible find for them. I'm done. I will not post another post at all to the list. I will sit here, and do nothing more than read. That way, no one, including doug, will ever feel that I have offended their opinions. Noel Doug wrote: > I just checked and found you contributed to the last flame war about this > topic. There's a mailing list setup where you can perform these acts of > kindness for people who have indicated they appreciate them. Send a > "subscribe ccauction" to majordomo(a)nut.net, and you can list your finds > there as often as you like. > > Please don't continue posting auctions to the classiccmp list where > several people (especially me) find them very annoying. > > Thanks, > Doug

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Sord Socius

by jpl15＠netcom.com

A magnification from one of my other posts: Prior to doing a websearch, has anyone on The List any info about the Sord Socius machine that I brought back from TRW? It appears to be in the same evolutionary tree as the early NEC APC series, ie; it uses soldered-in 8086 and 8087 (haven't looked for multiples) and twin 8" drives vertically mounted to the right of a 12" color monitor in a large case with seperate keyboard. Like the APC as well, is built like the proverbial masonry defecatorium. I also have the original (OS?) disk and another, that were in the drives. Cheerz John PS: I am just going out to unpack the haul from TRW, and I will fire up the Nicolet scope and see if it works...

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FREE: ~5160

by jott＠roadkill.ee.nd.edu

Hello - There may be some IBM 5160 type computers available in a day or two. I'm not interested, but if someone wants to pay shipping I'll look into it. Reply quickly, since I'm not interested they'll go in the dumpster if I don't hear anything. john -- *********************************************************************** * John Ott * Email: jott(a)saturn.ee.nd.edu * * Dept. Electrical Engineering * * * 275 Fitzpatrick Hall * * * University of Notre Dame * Phone: (219) 631-7752 * * Notre Dame, IN 46556 USA * * ***********************************************************************

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Deadline: Teledisk group grab

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

Just a note, some of us (like me) read the list in digest form, one big blob per day. It arrives around 2am with the previous days' messages in it. Usually I read it around 11pm. So there is typically over 30 hours delay between when messages are sent and when I read them. (Say, sent before 5pm, read the next day around 11pm). I doubt that I am the only one in this situation, although I might be the worst case, reading late at night as I do. (And now you know why I always seem to revive dead threads!) With this in mind, please don't expect everybody to respond right away. If you really want to offer something to everybody, you have to allow at least two days turnaround time. Of course, if there are other reasons to need quick responses, do it! I know I am sacrificing something to get the list in digest form, and I won't blame anyone else for that. And in this case, I have such mixed feelings about Sydex that I'm not sure I would have responded anyway. So this is more of a "note for future reference" than anything else. Aside from all of that, thanks Bruce, for putting in the effort on this. Even though I didn't leap at it, I did consider it, and appreciate it. Cheers, Bill. On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com> wrote: ] Well! This is going better than I ever expected! ] ] We've got 17 people so far, counting myself, interested in chipping in for ] a copy of Teledisk. This has brought the per-person price down to $9.00 ] (assuming $150 for the program plus $3.00 shipping). ] ] We have eight slots left out of 25 originally, and it occurs to me that I ] should probably set a deadline. For the moment, that deadline is 17:00 ] Pacific Time Sunday (2-28). In other words, tomorrow by five. ] ] If you're interested in getting in on this, please let me know via private ] E-mail by then. ] ] Thanks to all who've signed up so far. ] ] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ] Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies ] http://www.bluefeathertech.com ] Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com ] SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) ] "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own ] human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Special Thanks to Bruce Lane & Michael Grigoni

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

I would like to extend a special thanks to Bruce Lane & Michael Grigoni for coordinating the Teledisk and HP belt purchases. It is that cooperative spirit that makes this such a wonderful group. Thanks guys, Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Nicolet rescue

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

Had to rescue the Nicolet computer. Still not sure if I'm going to keep it...but at least it won't go to the scrap heap. I've never seen core quite like this. Each core plane is 4 cards, about 4" by 4", with 1K on each card (4k per core module) - plus the standard xydriver and sense/inhibit. The four cards of the core assembly are joined by small pins/solder brides between the cards. Really large doughnuts :-) This machine is actually very clean inside, despite it's 1974 vintage. The back panel is unique, with most peripheral devices connecting via coax. There appears to be a home-brew mod to switch select tty (current loop) or RS232 and if RS232 either 300 or 2400 baud. Despite the grainy photo - the 8" floppy unit really has only one drive. Also got the decitek paper tape unit. If anyone is curious - pics attached.

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Gooey rubber bits

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

Marvin wrote with respect to a HP85: >print each iteration of the program. The tape drive roller is gooey >although it is still round at this point :). I've often see rubber items on old printers and stuff go "gooey" like this. Does anyone understand why this happens and whether it is reversible? Sometimes in 2 different examples of the same machine, one has the problem and the other hasn't. My apologies if this has been discussed before. I missed it. Hans Olminkhof

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Central Point Option Board

by gareth.knight2＠which.net

Zane H. Healy mentioned reading Mac disks in Windows: >Rumor has it that there is something along these lines. Since use a Mac >and Windows I've never looked into it. There is a freeware utility called TransMac or something like that. It is also possible to use Mac CDs and disks using the Executor Mac emulator. -- Gareth Knight Amiga Interactive Guide | ICQ No. 24185856 http://welcome.to/aig | "Shine on your star"

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HP85 Available

by fauradon＠pclink.com

For a scan of the BASIC syntax Guidelines got to: www.pclink.com/fauradon you'll find it in the "tech info" section Francois >At the last TRW, John picked up an HP85 that he stuck me with :). If anyone >is interested in it, $10 plus shipping from zip 93105. I haven't weighed it >yet, but that can be done if anyone is interested. Condition unknown, but >the guy said his son plugged it in and it worked. No manuals, plugins, etc. >come with the unit. I also plugged it in, and it ran my usual: > >10 print "hello" >20 goto 10 > >program with no problems, and it sounded like the printer was trying to >print each iteration of the program. The tape drive roller is gooey >although it is still round at this point :). >

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M7546 - TK50 or TK70?

by mbg＠world.std.com

>Ahh, I see. However since I don't have an M7555 the cables aren't >connected to anything underneath the backplane. This box has the WQESD >for the disks and the 7546 for the TK50 (now MIA :-). Good to know. There is also a little panel, secured by a couple of screws, through which a cable for a TK50 passes. This pass-through could also be used for the cables from the WQESD, so long as they are long enough to run all the way from the board to the disk. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Torch C Series machines...

by kevan＠heydon.org

I have three Torch C series machines that I no longer want. They are the BBC architecture machines and NOT the variants that run Unix. I have two hard disk based systems and one dual floppy system. One of the hard disk based machines is in a pretty poor state so is probably best used for spares. I do have some floppies for these machines. They are free to a good home. They are very heavy so collection is probably best. I am in Cambridge, UK. -- Kevan Collector of old computers: http://www.heydon.org/kevan/collection/

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vaxstation 3100 scsi cables

by dburrows＠netpath.net

I have some that I got from DEC surplus new and I think I have a couple used ones for a whole lot cheaper than either of the prices for mentioned. 68 pin HD to 50 pin Centronics. Dan >> > >> > I just ordered an external SCSI cable for my VaxStation 3100 model 40 - which >> > everyone said was terribly expensive due to it being a wierd connector. >> > I ordered it from 1-800-digital and they want $58(us) + tax. For those >> > with 3100 model 40s (it changes from model to model) the part number is >> > 17-02-008-02. >> > >> >> >> I'd also like to point DECheads looking for cables to a place called >> SeaCoast Digital, at http://www.seadec.com/. They have some dirt-cheap >> prices on DEC cables. I'm sure you -don't- want to hear this now, Jim, >> but I've ordered the exact same cable through seadec myself, and it was >> $28.00 (sorry!). They're a very good source for that kind of thing. >> I can't vouch for their other parts, as I've not compared prices for >> memory or option boards etc. But definitely check them out if you need >> cables. >> >> -Seth > >I'm looking at their web site now and they want 50 bucks for the same cable. >35 bucks for the 3 foot version. > >-- >Jim Strickland >jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >

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Toronto HP125 computer available...

by cdrmool＠interlog.com

I may have posted this before but I'm getting nervous. I saw an HP 125 computer at the Salvation Army Store at Lansdowne and Queen in Toronto. It is all there but the keyboard, monitor, and box are slowly being seperated. The manager has said $25 but I suspect that you could get him down to about $20 at least as its been there so long. No I will not ship it but if there is anyone in the area who wants it, get there quick. I, unfortunately, have NO ROOM! left for much of anything. I am told it works fine. I've never seen one before and suspect I may never again. Please someone get it. Already the manuals have gone missing. Colan

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Nicolet

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

>Please, no attachments! > >Give a address to website if anyone is insterested to look at it. > >Some users on List have very limited resources and some dial in >by the minute pay or by hour. $$$. A thousand pardons - I should have known better. Sorry to all on the list! Jay West

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Group Buy Closed! Thanks for participating...

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Bruce: Okay, so this means I still owe you $6.12 for my share, right? Jeff On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 19:02:25 -0800 Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com> writes: > I would like to extend a warm 'thanks!' to all of you who >participated in >the Teledisk Pro group buy. > > We've sold all our available shares. Sydex said that we >definitely had to >limit it to 50 people, tops, and that we've now got. > > I would also like to thank our list moderator (cripes, I don't >even know >who it is nowadays...) for allowing me to coordinate this effort on >CLASSICCMP. > > Now the real work starts... getting the paperwork done! ;-) > > >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies >http://www.bluefeathertech.com >Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com >SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) >"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in >our own >human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..." > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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M7546 - TK50 or TK70?

by mbg＠world.std.com

>Another observation is that the BA23 chassis has the connectors under the >control box for an RDxx drive but there doesn't seem to be a controller >in the uVax for them unless this controller was integrated into the CPU >card or something? Its darn difficult to see where the cables come from >and go to in the narrow tower, very unusual design it seems. The controller (an RQDX1, 2 or 3) plugs into the backplane. The ribbon cable from it runs under the card cage to the bottom of the backplane, where there is a distribution board which splits the signals into connectors for cables connect to up to two hard drives, and one connector for a floppy. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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M7546 - TK50 or TK70?

by mbg＠world.std.com

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KA630 CNF?

by mbg＠world.std.com

"emanuel stiebler" <emu(a)ecubics.com> wrote": >If i read that right, there are 10 switches on this board. Switch 7 & 8 >are defined as: > >7 8 >off off Arbiter >on off auxiliary 1 >off on auxiliary 2 >on on auxiliary 3 > >Switch 7 is connected to pin 4 of the J2 connector (20 pin connector) >Switch 8 is connected to pin 5 of the J2 connector. Thanks... I'll have to recheck the manual, I guess I missed it. Now I have to figure out what 'off' means... shorting pin 4 to what other pin (shorted low or high). I'm thinking of trying a KA630 as a coprocessor in a qbus pdp-11 system. The KA650 manual mentions using the same board, but it says that only the off-off configuration is supported. I wonder if the KA650 can be a co-processor as well... But then, the KA650 doesn't have on-board memory. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Cursor newsletter

by ckaiser＠oa.ptloma.edu

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Group Buy Closed! Thanks for participating...

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

I would like to extend a warm 'thanks!' to all of you who participated in the Teledisk Pro group buy. We've sold all our available shares. Sydex said that we definitely had to limit it to 50 people, tops, and that we've now got. I would also like to thank our list moderator (cripes, I don't even know who it is nowadays...) for allowing me to coordinate this effort on CLASSICCMP. Now the real work starts... getting the paperwork done! ;-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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When did VC show up on IBM big iron?

by cube＠msn.fullfeed.com

Well, that depends. PanValet (by Pansophic systems, originally) had version _tracking_ by line number, and you could have multiple libraries, and migrate things between them. There were similar competitive systems. Wisconsin DOT had PanValet when I arrived there in 1975. Amdahl UTS was Unix, complete with version control I imagine. Seems to me this was around about 1980. Hope that helps. Jay At 08:13 AM 2/26/99 -0600, you wrote: > >Does anyone recall when version control tools became available on IBM >mainframe OSs? > > >-- >David Wollmann >DST / DST Data Conversion >http://www.ibmhelp.com/ > >ICQ: 10742063 > --- Jay R. Jaeger The Computer Collection Jay.Jaeger(a)msn.fullfeed.com visit http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~cube

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e-bay item

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 02:21 PM 3/1/99 -0800, Sellam Ismail wrote: >Its the rape and >pillage of this once serene hobby of collecting retired computers and >bringing some life back into them for fun that I don't care for. > >I never got into this for the money. No, you got into it for the groupies and the fame. ;-) Or maybe you got into it because you saw highly under-appreciated old computers selling for next to nothing, which is another way of saying that you're wise and anticipated a market that hadn't reached its full potential. - John

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Lucky Day II

by fauradon＠pclink.com

The model number for the Monitor is 4863 (with my luck it's probably the most common one). No light pen or HD (that's where the "pretty much" comes in). I have't inventoried the software box yet but I've noticed the BASIC, DOS 2.10, IBM Writting assistant and Print shop. I'm not sure when I'll get around to setting it up. Francois >Hi, > >What is the model number on the monitor? There are two different >monitors that I know of. Do you have an extra light pen? Does it have a >hard drive? Do you want more info on IBM PCJr's? What cartridges do you >have? Which version of DOS are you using? I suggest 3.3 . Please >respond. I collect PCJr's and do have some extra parts and am in need of >a light pen. > >John Amirault > >Francois wrote: >> >> Hey, >> Not all of us can find Altairs. So I had to brag about whatever it is that I >> got. (I would prefer to brag about an Altair though) >> How many of have the IBM PCjr Carrying Case? >> Francois >> >> >Francois, >> > >> > Whatever floats your boat! >> > >> > Joe >> > >> >At 09:25 AM 2/27/99 -0600, you wrote: >> >>Fine, >> >>I got a complete PCjr with pretty much all of the peripherals ever made >> for >> >>it, two joysticks, color monitor, a box of software and the carrying case. >> >>So there! >> >>Francois >> >> >> >> >

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Tape drive identified!

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 1, 12:38, Chuck McManis wrote: > Subject: Tape drive identified! > Thanks to everyone and some additional snooping the tape drive is indeed an > Exabyte 8200 8MM SCSI tape drive. It is connected to a SCSI board labelled > "TD Systems Inc" > "VIK/QTO #2719" > and a rom labelled: > "Viking Q/B A3.1" > (presumably QBus) I'm pretty sure BSD2.11 supports it. I can't find the list right now, but I think that's exactly what I had in my 11/83. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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M7546 - TK50 or TK70?

by cmcmanis＠freegate.com

I realize this isn't ebay related, but could someone clue me into what the 7546 controls? The DEC site lists it as a: M7546-00 Q-BUS TAPE CNTRL, DBL 8.5 And its in my uVAX with no removable media. --Chuck

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Even More Stuff available

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

Whilst aware that I'm breaching netiquette by copying personal email, I think in this situation that Chris won't mind, as he's trying to sell these items. I can't afford the prices he's asking (I'm not saying they're BAD prices, nor am I saying they're GOOD. I just can't afford 'em), and felt that rather than waste the time of both of us by attempting to significantly haggle-down, I'd let everyone have-at him. Top part is his response to my letter in response to his newsgroup ad. --- A guy said 10 days ago he would send $200 (plus shipping) for the Unix docs, which I accepted, but I haven't seen the check yet so maybe it will be available again. The vic20 had a price. I would like $250 for a stack of pdp11 hardware fisch. $70 for a folding fisch reader. How about $100 for H-11 doc 3-ring binders, and $140 for the paper tape media software. This is unused, partly sealed. $80 each for a couple rk05 packs containing rsx11m, rt11, ? What do you think? Rebate if you convert my 9-track unix tar tapes to CD or TR-3 tape (windoz). Also, you can then keep the 9-tracks, contents are probably interesting to you. 310-393-5525 ---------- From: Andrew Davie <adavie(a)mad.scientist.com> To: c-bristol(a)usa.net Subject: Re: ANTIQUE TV's & RADIO, etc. in L.A.,CA Date: Saturday, February 27, 1999 8:11 PM Hi I'm a classic computer collector, very interested in your Heathkit items, and also the RT-11 docs. I have just aquired a PDP 11/23 PLUS, and would love any documentation for that, too. You don't list prices for these items - if it helps, I offer a good home :) Please let me know if these items are still available, and I'll try and make a swift and easy transaction - if the price is right! Cheers A *** OLD COMPUTER EQUIP. NOT IBM STYLE, UNIX PDP-11, VIC20******** DOCUMENTATION: SOFTWARE: UNIX: full sets of docs for v.6, v.7, 4.1BSD, 4.2BSD, 4.3BSD, SUN OS2, SUN OS3, SunView. About 3 big file boxes of UNIX docs. Also have distribution tape of v.7 for PDP-11 licensed to me from SCO (Santa Cruz Operation) and the PDP11 hardware it is licensed for. I paid $1350 to SCO for this licence and tape, forsale now Cheap! Original v6 Lyons course, 1978?. Bell SysV Driver writing course, 1985. DOCUMENTATION: SOFTWARE: DEC OSs: Full set, RT-11 v2, v3, v4, partial RSX-11. Also have the software on floppy and RK05, and the PDP-11's that are licensed to run it. Also Heathkit H-11 paper tape operating system, media and docs, new. Also a couple of RSTS/E manuals. Disks also (RX01, RL01,RK05). RT-11 set, XXDP Diagnostics, on 8" RX01 floppies and paper tape. DOCUMENTATION: SOFTWARE: DEC OSs: Full set, RT-11 v2, v3, v4, partial RSX-11. Also have the software on floppy and RK05, and the PDP-11's that are licensed to run it. Cheap! Also Heathkit H-11 paper tape operating system, media and docs, new. DOCUMENTATION: HARDWARE: many DEC PDP-11 docs from 1970-1985 on microfiche. (Have reader too.) VIC-20 Commodore computer with tape deck, books, games, working, $40 --- -- Andrew Davie adavie(a)mad.scientist.com Museum of Soviet Calculators http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/slide/calculator/soviet.html Yahoo! Netscape, New Scientist, The Wall Street Journal, Newsweek and UK Independant Cool Site!

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Parsys Ltd T9000 SuperCluster documentation & software

by rmeena01＠utopia.poly.edu

>Err... The crosspoint switch is the C004. The C012 is related to the >C011, and is a transputer link adapter to a normal computer bus. It's a >bit like a UART for transputer links (and the normal computer side looks >awfully similar to a DEC DL11 ;-)). Oops, boy is my face red :-) I meant it used the one specific to the T9000 which I don't remember off the top of my head. I guess I will have to look it up to get further info (is may be the C104 or such). Ram

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Last call, Teledisk Pro group buy

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

This is the last call for folks interested in pooling resources to get a copy of Teledisk Pro. So far, counting myself, we've got nine people in on it. This dropped the per-person price down to around $17.00 each (shipping included). Sydex was willing to go along with the group buy on two conditions: First, that there be one central point of contact (a person) that they can encode the copy to; And second, that this same person be POC for all tech support questions. I have volunteered to be this POC. Given that the license would be for up to 25 users, we have sixteen slots left. In the event we actually do get 25 people interested, it will drop the per-person price down to around $6.00. For those that may not know, Teledisk is a marvelously handy utility that will read any floppy format that can be read using PC-based hardware, including PCs equipped with such hardware as the well-known 'CompatiCard,' and turn the data on said floppy into a single image file that can be archived or sent to anyone else. Once sent, anyone with similar hardware can reconstruct an exact image of the original floppy using a freely redistributable extractor program. As one might imagine, this has a lot of possibilities for preserving old boot and application floppies for such things as KayPro's, Commodores, Apples, DEC hardware, and God only knows how many other pieces of gear that used floppies. The image files can be easily stored on long-lived media, such as CD-R discs, and recreated at will. Again, the only limitation is that a PC's floppy drive be able to, at the hardware level, read the original diskette. The current version runs under DOS, or under a DOS window in W95 or NT Workstation. One caveat: Since it is possible that the program makes direct hardware calls to the floppy drive, it may not perform as it should under NT, thanks to NT's security features. Other than that, I know of no problems. Will anyone else who may be interested in getting in on the group buy please drop me a PRIVATE E-mail, so we don't end up cluttering the list? Thanks in advance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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vaxstation 3100 scsi cables

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

This one is of special interest to Tim Shoppa, but I figured the rest of the vax lovers here would be interested too. I just ordered an external SCSI cable for my VaxStation 3100 model 40 - which everyone said was terribly expensive due to it being a wierd connector. I ordered it from 1-800-digital and they want $58(us) + tax. For those with 3100 model 40s (it changes from model to model) the part number is 17-02-008-02. Generally speaking this is the second time I've ordered formerly VERY expensive parts through 1-800-digital and gotten them for a fraction of the price people were quoted in the bad old days. If you have DEC hardware and need some wierdo proprietary pieces for it - simms, cables, etc - I would encourage you to call them and get a current quote on the prices. It's been speculated that what's happening is Compaq is unloading the spares for post-end-of-life DEC stuff, so you might want to do it soon. -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Doug! John! Marvin!

by dpeschel＠u.washington.edu

Your debate about eBay filled up about 1/4 of my mail this morning. It's obvious that you're at an impasse of opinion. The messages on the subject are funny but the humor is the desparate kind. Since there IS another list (as Megan and others pointed out) could you find some way to tone down the traffic? I swear, a few more of these arguments and I'll have enough data to create an eBay-argument-generating program! :) -- Derek

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WSESD (aka Sigma) ESDI QBus controller

by cmcmanis＠freegate.com

So I just got of the phone with David Webster: David Webster <david(a)wccusa.com> Phone +1-408-353-5252 Webster Computer Corporation Tollfree 1-800-5WEBSTER 16040 Redwood Lodge Road Fax +1-408-353-5253 Los Gatos, CA 95033-9260, USA http://www.webstercomputer.com Dave's company designed the WQESD controller and WOMBAT software and sublicenced it to Sigma and Qualogy. He's selling a copy of the manual to me. (Yippee!!) Since some of you have offered to buy my "other" controller I asked him if they had any left and he said he suspects they do. So if you need a Qbus ESDI disk controller card you might give him an email or a call. I have no idea what he would sell them for (didn't ask) but hey, you could get a 'new' one. --Chuck

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OT: Need info on Motorola CyberSurfer cable modem

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Does anyone know where I can get technical information on the Motorola CyberSurfer cable modem? I want to know if there's any way to hack it to do weird stuff. Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Always hasslin' the man. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 02/15/99]

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Parsys Ltd T9000 SuperCluster documentation & software

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

>I have the data books on the T9000 chip (one on the hardware, one on the >instruction set), but they're nearly 500 pages each, so rather >impractical to copy. > Well, he didn't really provide me with much information. I just sent him another email indicating exactly what he has (i.e., software, boards, docs, etc) That way, I can easily see if I can get him up and running. >IMS cards sound like INMOS, of course. I can't find the B013 in the data >book, though. It's not an ethernet TRAM (B407 or B431, I think), and I don't >think it's part of the B300 ethernet interface system. > I never seen or even heard of an IMSB013 board. I figured it was a modified B300 or ethernet tram. >> transputer motherboard that looks like a TMB12 from Transtech. He also >> has all the power supplies and the case. > >Probably a clone of something INMOS, or at least close to it. Is this a >board that takes TRAMs, or what? What host bus does it use? > The TMB12 is a 12-slot tram board from transtech, similar to the B008 from INMOS. He said it looked like it but used C012 crossbar switches instead. I got to see if I can get more info from him. Ram

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Tape drive identified!

by dburrows＠netpath.net

I have the docs on that board and additional info on hidden things in the setup for it. With a PAL change it can be a disk and tape controller as well. If we can find some blanks I could make a copy for you. Dan >Thanks to everyone and some additional snooping the tape drive is indeed an >Exabyte 8200 8MM SCSI tape drive. It is connected to a SCSI board labelled > "TD Systems Inc" > "VIK/QTO #2719" >and a rom labelled: > "Viking Q/B A3.1" >(presumably QBus) > >Now to see what OSes support the board and if I can find docs ... >--Chuck > >

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Tape drive identified!

by cmcmanis＠freegate.com

Thanks to everyone and some additional snooping the tape drive is indeed an Exabyte 8200 8MM SCSI tape drive. It is connected to a SCSI board labelled "TD Systems Inc" "VIK/QTO #2719" and a rom labelled: "Viking Q/B A3.1" (presumably QBus) Now to see what OSes support the board and if I can find docs ... --Chuck

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Lucky Day II

by fauradon＠pclink.com

Hey, Not all of us can find Altairs. So I had to brag about whatever it is that I got. (I would prefer to brag about an Altair though) How many of have the IBM PCjr Carrying Case? Francois >Francois, > > Whatever floats your boat! > > Joe > >At 09:25 AM 2/27/99 -0600, you wrote: >>Fine, >>I got a complete PCjr with pretty much all of the peripherals ever made for >>it, two joysticks, color monitor, a box of software and the carrying case. >>So there! >>Francois >> >>

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TI Silent 700

by rickb＠pail.enginet.com

I was feeling nostalgic tonight, so I went out to the loft in the shop and dug around and found an old TI Silent 700 portable terminal that I picked up somewhere along the way. It needed a little bit of work...the paper-advance stepper had seized up, but a little TLC there got it happy again, and the solenoid that pulls the thermal printhead away from the paper when the paper advances was way out of adjustment. After tinkering with it for a while, I powered it up, and it seems to work great. The machine is a "Model 745 Portable" with built-in acoustic coupler cups at the rear of the machine. It works at 300 or 110 baud. I actually dug out an old Western Electric phone (most of the new telephones today have handsets that won't fit into an acoustic coupler cup) and dialed up my Sun Unix system (which has a couple of 28.8 modems hanging off it), and stuffed the phone handset into the cups, and viola... a (upper case only) LOGIN: prompt! Heck, there was even a termcap for it! The terminal works great...I loaded up the PDP-11 simulator, and loaded the image for RT-11, and played around for a while. It brought back some memories, no doubt! The acoustic coupler worked fantastic...no glitches, except when the dog barked at a noise outside...and I got a few @'s printed. The first question for y'all is this: On the rear panel of the machine is a DB-15 male connector...my assumption this is for hooking up a (RS232 or current-loop) 'direct connection' to the terminal. I don't have any documentation for the machine, and am wondering if anyone out there might know the pinout for this connector. The next question is: Anyone know where I could find the thermal paper for this thing? I've got a good sized roll of it in the machine, and a spare roll still in the wrapper, but my guess is that as time goes on, it's only going to become more and more difficult to find. Anyone know if thermal FAX machine paper in roll form would work? Happy retrocomputing, Rick Bensene The Old Calculators Web Pages http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/7510

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Ooops, Typo!

by chris.holden＠gte.net

I happened upon your web site and noticed that the word "Beginning" is misspelled (you have it as "Begining"). The URL of the page is: http://www.heydon.org/kevan/mlists/classiccmp/1998-06/msg00626.html I hope this helps. Chris

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Parsys Ltd T9000 SuperCluster documentation & software

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

Hi, I got this request from another transputer user. Apparently he has a T9000 SuperCluster with no documentation & software. Parsys Ltd is no longer in business, so does anyone have the so mentioned software and documentation. Thanks. Ram PS: He also has a network interface card that is called IMSB013 and the transputer motherboard that looks like a TMB12 from Transtech. He also has all the power supplies and the case.

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OpenVMS Hobbyist Program V2.0

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>I have one question...if you read the DEC/Compaq license >agreement at: http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/license_terms.html >you'll see that the agreement is only for one year. >What happens after one year? The license PAK's you get issued expires after one year. At this point, you re-register with DECUS and they issue you a set of new PAK's. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Hans Franke?

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Upon the date 03:21 AM 2/24/99 -0800, Sellam Ismail said something like: > >Did Hans Franke die or something? I haven't heard even a peep from that >loquacious Bavarian in a while. Yeah, it has been a bit quiet around here :) I wonder if he's away from home on business. He works for Siemens Business Services (www.sbs.de) in Munich and I think I recall that he manages software development projects. SBS is a rather large systems integrator, consultant and outsourcing provider, so he could be anywhere on a job. Christine works there too in the Human Resources dept. > >Maybe John Zabolitzky has heard from him in the past few weeks? > >Christian, do you have his telephone number by any chance? No, I haven't yet got his number although Beverly and I plan to _someday_ get back over there (depending on my job schedule whenever I find a new job) and should get it anyway. I find there are seven phone listings for Hans Franke in M?nchen and I don't know his exact address either. John Z. could dig deeper over there I'm sure. He'll reappear sometime I'm sure. I think this group is a bunch he can't stay away from now :) Regards, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/awa

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OpenVMS Hobbyist Program V2.0

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi Stan, ---------- > From: ss(a)allegro.com > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist Program V2.0 > Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 11:20 AM > I have one question...if you read the DEC/Compaq license > agreement at: http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/license_terms.html > you'll see that the agreement is only for one year. > > What happens after one year? You sign up again ;-)) Same as in the old hobbyist license ... cheers, emanuel

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DG manuals for sale.

by kstumpf＠unusual.on.ca

How to Maintain the Nova (1969) - US$35 CS/20 Illustrated Parts Breakdown - 016-000681-00 - US$10 Nova 800 Technical Manual - 015-000004-02 & 016-000016-01 - US$20 Nova 830 Nova 840 Technical Manual - 015-000039-00 (some handwriting in it) - US$15 Nova 840 Technical Manual - 015 000020-01 - US$20 Nova 1220 Technical Manual - 015-000011-04 - US$20 SuperNova Computer Technical Manual - 015-000008-01 - US$20 microNOVA Board Computer MBC/1 Data Manual - US$5 microNOVA Integrated Circuits Data Manual - US$5 An Introduction to Microproducts and the Micron Operating System - US$5 Microproducts Hardware Systems Reference - US$10 MP/OS Utilities Reference - US$8 MP/100 Computer System - US$8 Communications Interfaces and Character Device Controllers - US$5 Input/Output and Interfacing (Microproducts) - US$3 Sensor I/O - US$3 Disk and Diskette Drives - US$3 MPT/100 Computer System I/O Programmer's Reference - US$8 All items are in excellent condition unless otherwise noted. Prices do not include shipping. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Kevin Stumpf * Unusual systems * www.unusual.on.ca +1.519.744.2900 * EST/EDT GMT - 5 Collector - Commercial Mainframes & Minicomputers from the 50s, 60s, & 70s and control panels and consoles. Author & Publisher - A Guide to Collecting Computers & Computer Collectibles * ISBN 0-9684244-0-6 .

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Thoughts on Taking Inventory

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I'm curious, has anyone ever sat down and figured out how best to define a database that would hold info on all thier Classic Computer documentation. You know stuff like DEC Fiche, DEC Handbooks, manuals, catalogues, brouchures, etc.? Does anyone have any thoughts on what info should be captured? For example, a randomly selected piece of Fiche yields the following info: Colour: Brown Bar Title: Mini Index 83-05 ???: Hardware Documentation Library Index, Updateing and User Information Part Number?: EP-0MINI-IX-05 Copyright: 1983 Fiche 1 of 1 Produced By: Digital I can see needing a field that is something like machine type that would be; PDP-11, PDP-8, VAX, Terminal, Printer, Tape Drive, Disk Drive, etc. Properly defined this database could be used for more than just DEC Doc's, which is my primary concern at the moment. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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DEC, HP, Intel MCS, and Honeywell Pocket Reference cards for sale.

by kstumpf＠unusual.on.ca

Honeywell DPS6 & Level 6 GCOS 6 Mod 400 Programmer's Pocket Guide (CZ07-01) - US$6 DEC PDP-9 & 9/L Instruction List, and PDP-9/L COMPACT Software System - US$6 DEC VAX-11 Programming Card - free DEC MicroVMS Programming Pocket Reference - free HP MPE III software pocket guide (April 1978) - still in binding, but well used - US$3 HP MPE software pocket guide (3" by 5" binder) (April 1981) - has name written on cover - US$6 HP MPE software pocket guide (3" by 5" binder) (April 1981) -- US$7 Intel 8080 Assembly Language Reference Card (March 1978), and 8" by 11" MCS-8 Users Manual Rev 2 (November 1972) - US$17 All items are in excellent condition unless otherwise noted and prices include ground shipment through Canada Post/US Mail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Kevin Stumpf * Unusual systems * www.unusual.on.ca +1.519.744.2900 * EST/EDT GMT - 5 Collector - Commercial Mainframes & Minicomputers from the 50s, 60s, & 70s and control panels and consoles. Author & Publisher - A Guide to Collecting Computers & Computer Collectibles * ISBN 0-9684244-0-6 .

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OT: 30-pin SIMMS

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Does anyone here have any 30-pin SIMMs as often found in i386 computers <that are more than 1 megabyte? I have 1-mb SIMMs but I've never seen <bigger ones You can still buy 30pin simms (256k, 1mb, 4mb) from JDR. the 4mb parts are scarce and finding them for less than 10$ is hard. The 1mb parts are like flies and they can be had for nearly nothing. Allison

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interesting, interesting.

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 28, 0:08, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >Chuck wrote: > >> On the tape drive in the BA123, it has a plain black front with a button > >> and two LEDs, one orange and one green. TK50? Where could I get media for > >> it? What does it look like? > > > >Maybe an Exabyte 8200 drive (8 mm)? But those aren't standard equipment on > >the uVAX II, and would require a SCSI controller. > > Yipes, looking over at my _Exabyte 8500_ it has a little black button that > has a green LED above an orange one directly to the right of the button. > I'd guess the drive in question is a 8500, all the 8200's I've seen have > beige faceplates. This makes sense seeing as how the MVII in question has > SCSI Hard Drives. Both of my ExaByte 8200's have black faceplates. However, the LEDs are side-by-side about 1.25" from the left side of the drive, and the button is on the right. When the drive is powered up, what do the LEDs do? If you press the button, does the front open to allow you to insert a tape, like a miniature VHS machine? Or does it just have an open slot to slide a cartridge into? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Novice prospectors guide

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Which simply means, carry a screwdriver with you at all times :) In fact, <PC clones sometimes have interesting software on them. I once saw a Compaq <Portable that had a network card and had apparently been used in some sort <of DEC network. Yes, DEC sold cards and networking software to work with the VAX (DECNET) systems. The software started as PCSA, later known as PATHWORKS and TEAMLINKS. Since I have and use vaxen the software would be a find. The net cards are standard eithernet. Allison

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FW: VAX / VMS Manuals etc..

by kyrrin＠my-dejanews.com

Anyone in the UK (heck, here for that matter) want some VMS books? Get in contact with this fellow. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 10:22:25 +0000, in vmsnet.pdp-11 you wrote: >>From: "Tim. Bluck." <tb(a)oes-ee.demon.co.uk> >>Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11 >>Subject: VAX / VMS Manuals etc.. >>Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 10:22:25 +0000 >>Organization: O.E.S. Electronics Engineers. >>Message-ID: <3$oznCAhjR22Ewkx(a)planet-tharg.demon.co.uk> >>NNTP-Posting-Host: planet-tharg.demon.co.uk >>X-NNTP-Posting-Host: planet-tharg.demon.co.uk:212.229.58.50 >>X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 920296582 nnrp-02:3920 NO-IDENT planet-tharg.demon.co.uk:212.229.58.50 >>X-Complaints-To: abuse(a)demon.net >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>X-Newsreader: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 <g2k83c45w3$XeOnMEtH6P0Xg0v> >>Lines: 12 >>Path: news1.jps.net!news.pbi.net!131.119.28.147!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!planet-tharg.demon.co.uk!tb >>Xref: news1.jps.net vmsnet.pdp-11:1130 >> >>Hello. >> I have A whole load of Dec vax / vms / basic / all-in-one..... >>manuals, If anybody would like any of them, or if there's any interest >>at all, I'll try to post a list of what I have.. >> >>They're free, You just pay for the postage, or collect. I'm in North >>Kent, England. And I can be reached at the following e-mail address. >> >>tb(a)planet-tharg.demon.co.uk >> >>Many thanks. >>Tim.R.Bluck. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com "...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."

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Teledisk Buy Update: Two shares left

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

As of 06:48, Monday, March 1 '99, we have TWO (2) shares left in the Teledisk group buy. I ask that those who may get the urge to get a couple of shares simply to push things forward please hold off until, say, Wednesday afternoon. We may get another couple of folks into the ring. Thanks to all who have participated so far. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Looking for RT-11 Documentation

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>>I have absolutely no RT-11 documentation, although I have two systems >>running it (both 11/23s). Does anyone have any online documentation on >>the command language, configuration, device drivers, sysgen, etc? I'm >>fumbling around without it. >There is no on-line documentation... if there is, I'm sure Mentec >would be a little bothered by it. Actually, an "on-line" version of the RT-11 mini ref nearly made it into the 5.7 release. Space considerations on the floppy distributions is what axed the idea in the end. And all the manuals are "on-line" here, just not publicly accessible :-(. > There might be HELP available on > the system, depending on the version and whether all the required > files are still there... If it's not there, then an web-accessible version of the same information (albeit for RT-11 5.7, the Y2K compliant version) is available from http://www.trailing-edge.com/~shoppa/rthelp/ or http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/rthelp/ The second reference will be faster to view, though slower to type in :-) The above references have been available for well over a year and a half now. > Megan Gentry > Former RT-11 Developer Gees, should I start signing myself "Tim Shoppa, Current RT-11 Developer, Former Nuclear Astrophysicist?" ? :-) -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Sharp PC-700 + other bits available.

by kevan＠heydon.org

Reply to him directly if you are interested. -- Kevan Collector of old computers: http://www.heydon.org/kevan/collection/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Neil R. Temple <SMASafety(a)compuserve.com> To: "collector(a)heydon.org" <collector(a)heydon.org> Subject: Vintage Electronics I am in the process of cleaning out my home office and realized that I have 1st generation office electronics that may be of interest to a collector. I have a Sharp PC-7000 portable computer ( 2 - 5.25 " drives, no hard drive!, LCD screen, detachable keyboard with case, original manuals and disks) a portable fax machine (300 baud rotating drum Polaris Datafax 300 with carrying case, manuals and paper) and a personal copier (3M 051 copier - 2 step thermal transfer process with paper) all very early 80s. Are you interested or do you know another collector who may be?? I just can't bring myself to junk these old friends. I'm not looking for money for these items, only the cost of shipping. I'm located in Northern Virginia, just south of Washington, DC. I may be able to provide photos and/or additonal information. I really want to move them out of my office, but can't bring myself to just throw them out.

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OT: 30-pin SIMMS

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> Are there any adapter cards so 4 1mb simms can be used as a 4mb >> 30 pin? I have seen those that can be used as a 72 pin. Well, I came across a 72-pin adapter that took 30 pin SIMMS (I'm not sure if you meant that or were talking about 72 pin adapters that took 72 pin SIMMS). I've never seen a 30 - to - 30 adapter around, although I'd expect it to be possible to build one. I think SIMM-savers were only around briefly during the couple of years when 30 pin SIMMS were going out of fashion and 72 pin ones were coming in. I remember working on some PCs (Unisys?) a few years ago which had all their main memory on a full-length daughterboard card - there were something like 16 30-pin SIMM sockets on there, although I think the systems only recognised 256Kb SIMMS, not 1Mb's... cheers, Jules > >

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Teledisk Group Buy Update: Three shares left

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

This is an update for the rather large group buy of Teledisk I'm coordinating. As of 23:32, Sunday, 28-Feb-99, we have 47 people in on it and THREE license shares remaining. That's three shares left, folks. More updates as I get them. Thanks to all those who have participated so far. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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TRS-80 Model 16 available.

by COAKLEY＠AC.GRIN.EDU

I have a TRS-80 Model 16 I'd like to get rid of. Comes with: * Base unit with two 8" floppy drives * keyboard * printer * Twelve Meg Disk System * Nice stack of manuals I picked this up last summer, but haven't had the time to clean it up and make it work. It powers up fine, but won't boot from the hard drive or >from floppy. There's some minor screen burn-in. I *really* don't want to ship this monster. I live in central Iowa, and pickup is welcome. I'm also driving across the country at the end of the month, so if you live between Iowa and Connecticut, we might be able to work something out. I'm not looking for much in exchange - some nominal amount of cash or something small and interesting. -- Ben Coakley http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley/ coakley(a)ac.grin.edu CBEL: Xavier OH CMEL: Xavier

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Kaypro err msg

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Since I have no maint docs, does anyone know what the error message "System Status 02" mean during a Kaypro 10 boot? The ROM signs on, CP/m signs on and then it hangs with that message. ROM 1.9e CP/m V 2.2F 10M ready light is on, Floppy light is on, floppy does not access, keyboard clicks but no effect. multiple resets return to the same state. Cheerz and Thanks John

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Maxtor XT-4380E ESDI Hard Drive settings

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

OK, I'm stumped. I'm finally getting around to adding one of the 380Mb ESDI HD's that I got to replace the 150Mb ones I've been using in my PDP-11/73. So I check out "The Tech Page" and while they've got the drive, they don't give any of the jumper settings. Does anyone happen to have the settings for this drive? Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Even More Stuff available

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

Uh oh. Chris is rather furious with me. I guess I really should have culled his phone number, but I really thought I was doing EVERYONE a favour. A -- Andrew Davie adavie(a)mad.scientist.com Museum of Soviet Calculators http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/slide/calculator/soviet.html Yahoo! Netscape, New Scientist, The Wall Street Journal, Newsweek and UK Independant Cool Site! -----Original Message----- From: Doug <doug(a)blinkenlights.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 3:07 PM Subject: Re: Even More Stuff available >On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, Sellam Ismail wrote: > >> He just wants too much money for some very mundane stuff. He thinks >> the shit is worth gold, but its not. > >Define "mundane." Can you get H11 software and docs at the 7-11? For >somebody that *needs* the stuff, the prices are on the high side, but not >completely absurd. It's simply impossible to ever say what something is >"worth" unless it's a commodity. Don't even try. As you've seen, even >prices on ebay vary wildly for the same stuff -- it all depends on who's >looking on a given day. There's no formula. Rare doesn't necessarily >mean valuable, and "mundane" doesn't necessarily mean cheap. > >> > How about $100 for H-11 doc 3-ring binders, and $140 for the paper >> > tape media software. > >Speaking of paper tape, does anybody know where I can get fanfold paper >tape holders? I've got one holder, and its great to organize the tapes, >but I need a few more. Any good substitutes? > >-- Doug > >

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