28 Feb
1999
28 Feb
'99
1:16 p.m.
Whilst aware that I'm breaching netiquette by copying personal email, I
think in this situation that Chris won't mind, as he's trying to sell these
items. I can't afford the prices he's asking (I'm not saying they're BAD
prices, nor am I saying they're GOOD. I just can't afford 'em), and felt
that rather than waste the time of both of us by attempting to significantly
haggle-down, I'd let everyone have-at him.
Top part is his response to my letter in response to his newsgroup ad.
---
A guy said 10 days ago he would send $200 (plus shipping)
for the Unix docs, which I accepted, but I haven't seen the
check yet so maybe it will be available again.
The vic20 had a price.
I would like $250 for a stack of pdp11 hardware fisch.
$70 for a folding fisch reader.
How about $100 for H-11 doc 3-ring binders, and
$140 for the paper tape media software. This is unused,
partly sealed.
$80 each for a couple rk05 packs containing rsx11m, rt11, ?
What do you think?
Rebate if you convert my 9-track unix tar tapes to CD or TR-3
tape (windoz). Also, you can then keep the 9-tracks, contents
are probably interesting to you.
310-393-5525
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From: Andrew Davie <adavie(a)mad.scientist.com>
To: c-bristol(a)usa.net
Subject: Re: ANTIQUE TV's & RADIO, etc. in L.A.,CA
Date: Saturday, February 27, 1999 8:11 PM
Hi
I'm a classic computer collector, very interested in your Heathkit items,
and also the RT-11 docs. I have just aquired a PDP 11/23 PLUS, and would
love any documentation for that, too. You don't list prices for these
items - if it helps, I offer a good home :)
Please let me know if these items are still available, and I'll try and make
a swift and easy transaction - if the price is right!
Cheers
A
*** OLD COMPUTER EQUIP. NOT IBM STYLE, UNIX PDP-11, VIC20********
DOCUMENTATION: SOFTWARE: UNIX: full sets of docs for v.6, v.7,
4.1BSD, 4.2BSD, 4.3BSD, SUN OS2, SUN OS3, SunView. About 3 big
file boxes of UNIX docs. Also have distribution tape of v.7
for PDP-11 licensed to me from SCO (Santa Cruz Operation) and the
PDP11 hardware it is licensed for. I paid $1350 to SCO for this
licence and tape, forsale now Cheap! Original v6 Lyons course,
1978?. Bell SysV Driver writing course, 1985.
DOCUMENTATION: SOFTWARE: DEC OSs: Full set, RT-11 v2, v3, v4,
partial RSX-11. Also have the software on floppy and RK05, and
the PDP-11's that are licensed to run it. Also Heathkit
H-11 paper tape operating system, media and docs, new.
Also a couple of RSTS/E manuals. Disks also (RX01, RL01,RK05).
RT-11 set, XXDP Diagnostics, on 8" RX01 floppies and paper tape.
DOCUMENTATION: SOFTWARE: DEC OSs: Full set, RT-11 v2, v3, v4,
partial RSX-11. Also have the software on floppy and RK05, and
the PDP-11's that are licensed to run it. Cheap! Also Heathkit
H-11 paper tape operating system, media and docs, new.
DOCUMENTATION: HARDWARE: many DEC PDP-11 docs from
1970-1985 on microfiche. (Have reader too.)
VIC-20 Commodore computer with tape deck, books, games, working, $40
---
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http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/slide/calculator/soviet.html
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Cool Site!
28 Feb
28 Feb
1:30 p.m.
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Andrew Davie wrote:
Whilst aware that I'm breaching netiquette by
copying personal email, I
think in this situation that Chris won't mind, as he's trying to sell these
items. I can't afford the prices he's asking (I'm not saying they're
BAD
prices, nor am I saying they're GOOD. I just can't afford 'em), and felt
that rather than waste the time of both of us by attempting to significantly
haggle-down, I'd let everyone have-at him.
This guy is a total dweeb. He's been trying to sell that stuff for
probably a year now. At least two different people I've talked to have
tried and failed to deal with this boob. He just wants too much money for
some very mundane stuff. He thinks the shit is worth gold, but its not.
To give you an idea of his mindset, he stripped the core memory out of an
older computer because it was "cool" and would make a good conversation
piece (something stupid like that). He wants hundreds of dollars for each
core plane.
I tried dealing with him but as I said he wants 2x ebay dollars for his
junk. No thanks.
---
A guy said 10 days ago he would send $200 (plus shipping)
for the Unix docs, which I accepted, but I haven't seen the
check yet so maybe it will be available again.
The vic20 had a price.
I would like $250 for a stack of pdp11 hardware fisch.
$70 for a folding fisch reader.
How about $100 for H-11 doc 3-ring binders, and
$140 for the paper tape media software. This is unused,
partly sealed.
$80 each for a couple rk05 packs containing rsx11m, rt11, ?
What do you think?
Rebate if you convert my 9-track unix tar tapes to CD or TR-3
tape (windoz). Also, you can then keep the 9-tracks, contents
are probably interesting to you.
310-393-5525
----------
From: Andrew Davie <adavie(a)mad.scientist.com>
To: c-bristol(a)usa.net
Subject: Re: ANTIQUE TV's & RADIO, etc. in L.A.,CA
Date: Saturday, February 27, 1999 8:11 PM
Hi
I'm a classic computer collector, very interested in your Heathkit items,
and also the RT-11 docs. I have just aquired a PDP 11/23 PLUS, and would
love any documentation for that, too. You don't list prices for these
items - if it helps, I offer a good home :)
Please let me know if these items are still available, and I'll try and make
a swift and easy transaction - if the price is right!
Cheers
A
*** OLD COMPUTER EQUIP. NOT IBM STYLE, UNIX PDP-11, VIC20********
DOCUMENTATION: SOFTWARE: UNIX: full sets of docs for v.6, v.7,
4.1BSD, 4.2BSD, 4.3BSD, SUN OS2, SUN OS3, SunView. About 3 big
file boxes of UNIX docs. Also have distribution tape of v.7
for PDP-11 licensed to me from SCO (Santa Cruz Operation) and the
PDP11 hardware it is licensed for. I paid $1350 to SCO for this
licence and tape, forsale now Cheap! Original v6 Lyons course,
1978?. Bell SysV Driver writing course, 1985.
DOCUMENTATION: SOFTWARE: DEC OSs: Full set, RT-11 v2, v3, v4,
partial RSX-11. Also have the software on floppy and RK05, and
the PDP-11's that are licensed to run it. Also Heathkit
H-11 paper tape operating system, media and docs, new.
Also a couple of RSTS/E manuals. Disks also (RX01, RL01,RK05).
RT-11 set, XXDP Diagnostics, on 8" RX01 floppies and paper tape.
DOCUMENTATION: SOFTWARE: DEC OSs: Full set, RT-11 v2, v3, v4,
partial RSX-11. Also have the software on floppy and RK05, and
the PDP-11's that are licensed to run it. Cheap! Also Heathkit
H-11 paper tape operating system, media and docs, new.
DOCUMENTATION: HARDWARE: many DEC PDP-11 docs from
1970-1985 on microfiche. (Have reader too.)
VIC-20 Commodore computer with tape deck, books, games, working, $40
---
--
Andrew Davie adavie(a)mad.scientist.com
Museum of Soviet Calculators
http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/slide/calculator/soviet.html
Yahoo! Netscape, New Scientist, The Wall Street Journal, Newsweek and UK
Independant
Cool Site!
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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1:52 p.m.
This guy is a total dweeb. He's been trying to
sell that stuff for
probably a year now. At least two different people I've talked to have
tried and failed to deal with this boob. He just wants too much money for
some very mundane stuff. He thinks the shit is worth gold, but its not.
To give you an idea of his mindset, he stripped the core memory out of an
older computer because it was "cool" and would make a good conversation
piece (something stupid like that). He wants hundreds of dollars for each
core plane.
I tried dealing with him but as I said he wants 2x ebay dollars for his
junk. No thanks.
He's been claiming to have a buyer for the doc's for well over a year!
He's been trying to sell all this stuff because he's going overseas for
about two years.
I contacted him a couple months with an offer on the stuff, and got a
semi-rude reply, I didn't get the list of prices.
Zane
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1:54 p.m.
On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, Sellam Ismail wrote:
He just wants too much money for some very mundane
stuff. He thinks
the shit is worth gold, but its not.
Define "mundane." Can you get H11 software and docs at the 7-11? For
somebody that *needs* the stuff, the prices are on the high side, but not
completely absurd. It's simply impossible to ever say what something is
"worth" unless it's a commodity. Don't even try. As you've seen,
even
prices on ebay vary wildly for the same stuff -- it all depends on who's
looking on a given day. There's no formula. Rare doesn't necessarily
mean valuable, and "mundane" doesn't necessarily mean cheap.
> How about $100 for H-11 doc 3-ring binders, and
$140 for the paper
> tape media software.
Speaking of paper tape, does anybody know where I can get fanfold paper
tape holders? I've got one holder, and its great to organize the tapes,
but I need a few more. Any good substitutes?
-- Doug
3:09 p.m.
On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, Doug wrote:
On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, Sellam Ismail wrote:
Ok, now its your turn to call this guy and try to make a deal with him.
Once you've thrown your hands up in frustration, come back and post a
message about your ordeal and we'll console you.
He just wants too much money for some very
mundane stuff. He thinks
the shit is worth gold, but its not.
Define "mundane." Can you get H11 software and docs at the 7-11? For
somebody that *needs* the stuff, the prices are on the high side, but not
completely absurd. It's simply impossible to ever say what something is
"worth" unless it's a commodity. Don't even try. As you've seen,
even
prices on ebay vary wildly for the same stuff -- it all depends on who's
looking on a given day. There's no formula. Rare doesn't necessarily
mean valuable, and "mundane" doesn't necessarily mean cheap. Speaking of paper tape, does anybody know where I can
get fanfold paper
tape holders? I've got one holder, and its great to organize the tapes,
but I need a few more. Any good substitutes?
I'm sure you can find something suitable at WalMart in the kitchen
section.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details!
[Last web site update: 02/15/99]
3:29 p.m.
On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, Sellam Ismail wrote:
I was just there, and I didn't find any great matches. The tapes are a
little longer and wider than forks and spoons, unfortunately. The
"official" holders are great, though. I'm going to try one of the
numerical control shops on somebody else's recommendation.
-- Doug
Ok, now its your turn to call this guy and try to make
a deal with him.
Once you've thrown your hands up in frustration, come back and post a
message about your ordeal and we'll console you.
There have been *many* times I've passed on stuff because the price was
too high for *me*. That doesn't mean the stuff was overpriced, or that
the seller was being unreasonable -- it only means that *I* was not
willing to pay that much. It's a reflection of *your* values, not the
seller's and not of the item itself when you're not willing to pay a
certain price.
I find it funny when somebody says item X is worth $Y. I find it less
funny when somebody says seller Z is a dweeb for asking > $Y. Feel free
to simply pass on the deal.
(FWIW, I don't know the seller and I wasn't interested in anything he was
selling at those prices.)
Speaking of
paper tape, does anybody know where I can get fanfold paper
tape holders? I've got one holder, and its great to organize the tapes,
but I need a few more. Any good substitutes?
I'm sure you can find something suitable at WalMart in the kitchen
section.
3:55 p.m.
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Doug wrote:
There have been *many* times I've passed on stuff
because the price was
too high for *me*. That doesn't mean the stuff was overpriced, or that
the seller was being unreasonable -- it only means that *I* was not
willing to pay that much. It's a reflection of *your* values, not the
seller's and not of the item itself when you're not willing to pay a
certain price.
Sure, but there are obvious cases of a seller out of touch with reality.
This guy is one such seller (and for more reasons than just what he wants
for his stuff...go ahead, call him!)
I find it funny when somebody says item X is worth $Y.
I find it less
funny when somebody says seller Z is a dweeb for asking > $Y. Feel free
to simply pass on the deal.
Sure, but I think its also worth mentioning to other people that a certain
seller is difficult to deal with. This guy said that if you were to
actually come to pick up the stuff, which is stored in his garage, you
wouldn't actually be allowed to come into the garage because he's afraid
of your germs. You'd have to wait outside while he brought the stuff out
to you.
As far as I'm concerned, this is an unreasonable (and paranoid) seller due
to his out of touch asking prices and his rather unusual demands. I'm not
saying don't buy from this guy, I'm just saying be prepared if you decide
to deal with him.
I bet 6 months from now, 3 more people will have had the same experience
as I and others have had and will post about it here.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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4:04 p.m.
On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, Sellam Ismail wrote:
Sure, but I think its also worth mentioning to other
people that a certain
seller is difficult to deal with. This guy said that if you were to
actually come to pick up the stuff, which is stored in his garage, you
wouldn't actually be allowed to come into the garage because he's afraid
of your germs. You'd have to wait outside while he brought the stuff out
to you.
That's a good sign! The weirder the seller, the more likely it is he has
interesting stuff. Anybody here who thought they'd be dealing with normal
people is in the wrong hobby. Maybe I'll call the guy after all....
-- Doug
1 Mar
1 Mar
11:36 a.m.
I bet 6 months from now, 3 more people will have had
the same experience
as I and others have had and will post about it here.
And he'll still have a buyer lined up for the UNIX doc's, so he will only
take larger offers for them.
Having said that, in the last couple years he seems to have unloaded a lot
of the stuff he had.
Zane
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator |
| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast |
| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
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| and Zane's Computer Museum. |
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12:31 a.m.
Upon the date 10:54 PM 2/28/99 -0500, Doug said something like:
On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, Sellam Ismail wrote:
I still feel the same as Sellam. I'd seen this list back in the summer on
some ng. Seems he'd be out of the country by now as he said he was about to
be. Rather high priced and if he's not interested in negotiating, well, let
him take the stuff overseas with him and get his price there.
He just wants too much money for some very
mundane stuff. He thinks
the shit is worth gold, but its not.
Define "mundane." Can you get H11 software and docs at the 7-11? For
somebody that *needs* the stuff, the prices are on the high side, but not
completely absurd. It's simply impossible to ever say what something is
"worth" unless it's a commodity. Don't even try. As you've seen,
even
prices on ebay vary wildly for the same stuff -- it all depends on who's
looking on a given day. There's no formula. Rare doesn't necessarily
mean valuable, and "mundane" doesn't necessarily mean cheap.
> > How about $100 for H-11 doc 3-ring binders, and $140 for the paper
> > tape media software.
Speaking of paper tape, does anybody know where I can get fanfold paper
tape holders? I've got one holder, and its great to organize the tapes,
but I need a few more. Any good substitutes?
Try Western Numeric who sell paper/mylar tape and supplies primarily to
machine shops that use punched tape for their machining programs:
http://www.westnc.com/
I didn't see exactly what you're looking for in their product index however
they are a good contact to start from to find it.
Regards, Chris
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