- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I vote for greasy burgers and Pepsi I seem to remember writing lots of code and punching lots of cards late at night or early in the morning fueled by a couple of 2 liter bottle of Pepsi and many Jack-in-the-Box burgers. The only problem was when I finally went to bed I was unable to sleep and ran/walked through my code several more times. My father, the doctor, finally diagnosed the problem as way too much sugar and caffeine. I have heard that 1 or 2 dozen White Castle burgers is another substitute. Now 20 years later I've given up the Pepsi to prevent the ulcer. Mike Old Code Dog

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by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Umm the only nuclear data cards I've seen date to the late 60's and there is no way in hell they would ever go in an LSI-11... I've wondered if the ones I've seen are from their clone of the PDP-8 but I dunno, guess they'll just stay the scrapper (the ones I know of that is). Will J _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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Article copy - PE November 1981

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Does anyone have this issue of Popular Electronics? I'm looking for Part 3 of a series by Randy Carlstrom titled "Designing with the 8080 Microprocessor". Parts 1 and 2 appeared in the 9/81 and 10/81 issues of PE, respectively. If someone can scan this for me, I'd be most greatful. Contact me at home (rcini(a)msn.com) Thanks again. Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

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Stuff Available

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Oops! didn't mean to post that to the list... > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 9:52 AM > To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > Subject: RE: Stuff Available > > > > EXABYTE 8200 WITH PERTEC INTERFACE: That's right, > folks. This one's > a real > > head-scratcher. It's an 8200 in a custom enclosure made by > Contemporary > > Cybernetics of VA. (out of business now, I think) around > 1990. It contains > > a Pertec-to-SE/SCSI bridge board, and it also has a nice two-line > > alphanumeric display to let you know what the drive's doing. Native > > capacity would be 2.3 gigs. > > > > Condition: Seems to work, at least through basic > power-up. I don't > have a > > system set up with a Pertec controller at the moment, so I > can't test it > > fully. However, I have cleaned the heads, and the drive > itself seems to be > > fine with loading a tape. Asking $20/offer? > > I'd go for this; I could pay a week from Friday (things are > tight right > now). > > let me know... -dq > >

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> EXABYTE 8200 WITH PERTEC INTERFACE: That's right, folks. This one's a real > head-scratcher. It's an 8200 in a custom enclosure made by Contemporary > Cybernetics of VA. (out of business now, I think) around 1990. It contains > a Pertec-to-SE/SCSI bridge board, and it also has a nice two-line > alphanumeric display to let you know what the drive's doing. Native > capacity would be 2.3 gigs. > > Condition: Seems to work, at least through basic power-up. I don't have a > system set up with a Pertec controller at the moment, so I can't test it > fully. However, I have cleaned the heads, and the drive itself seems to be > fine with loading a tape. Asking $20/offer? I'd go for this; I could pay a week from Friday (things are tight right now). let me know... -dq

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Odd Honeywell Mouse

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Those are similar tot he round mouse (Hawley) that were used for the early > VAXstations. Those were not PC compatable. I've never seen > a mouse on a z80 system (most didn't ahve graphics). At a local electronics trade school where I worked (as a programmer and teaching digital briefly), we had a bunch of Televideo TS-803 Z-80 based CP/M workstations; each had a mouse port, we bought only one mouse tho; it was an early Mouse Systems unit, optical, but requiring the dedicated optical mouse pad. Worked quite nicely, tho, and I wrote a rudimentary drawing program for it to create graphic objects for the computer-based simluation of our digital trainer/breadboard systems. Graphics capability was 640 x 280, kinda thin vertically, but the ROMs had line types, fill types, etc. -doug q

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large collection of vintage machines on ebay

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Plus someone would have to PACK it all! > -----Original Message----- > From: Hans Franke [mailto:Hans.Franke@mch20.sbs.de] > Sent: 31 August 2000 10:34 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: large collection of vintage machines on ebay > > > > > Actually, if I'd had $5K spare and the means of getting it > all from the US > > I'd have bid - there aren't many machines in that > collection I *have* got! > > well, you have to add 2-3K USD for shiping... > hans > > -- > VCF Europa 2.0 am 28./29. April 2001 in Muenchen > http://www.vintage.org/vcfe > http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe >

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large collection of vintage machines on ebay

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Actually, if I'd had $5K spare and the means of getting it all from the US I'd have bid - there aren't many machines in that collection I *have* got! a > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Ford [mailto:mikeford@socal.rr.com] > Sent: 29 August 2000 20:56 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: large collection of vintage machines on ebay > > > >Obviously nobody thinks it's worth $5K! > > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=419928107 > >> > > Perhaps for obvious reasons, it is a LARGE mixed batch, which > almost nobody > could be expected to want all of. Lotting items together like that is > throwing money away for the sellers convenience, and greatly > reduces the > bid value. Then with the first bid at $5k, even if it might > sell for that, > greatly reduces the chances of getting a first bid. > >

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asgnpart.com

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

In einer eMail vom 8/28/100 5:12:06PM, schreibt Marvin: << Jgzabol(a)aol.com wrote: > > Hello, > > would anyone know where I could find the MS-DOS progam asgnpart.com, > which was part of some of the versions 3.x and 4.x, but not of all these > versions. This is a new one on me; what does it do and is the spelling correct? >> Hi Marvin, asgnpart 2:D assigns drive letter D to the second partition on the hard disk. The spelling is correct. There are some traces of that program in the latest instructions MS provides for installation of modern Windows systems. In that doc they state that the installation will remove these pre-MS-DOS 5.0 components, when found: ...., asgnpart.com, .... I have some drivers which might do the same, however these are for other customized MS-DOS versions, and therefore neither original nor sure to work. What I would like to obtain is the asgnpart.com. Thanks and regards John G. Zabolitzky

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Recognize a mystery Nixdorf machine ?

by jate＠uwasa.fi

Hello all! First one to recognize this mystery Nixdorf computer gets ten points and a papukaijamerkki. Any additional information would be appreciated! http://www.tec.puv.fi/~s99137/nixdorf.html I've had it lying around for many years now and I'd finally like to know what the heck it is:) (besides being a computer, that is) TIA, -- Jarkko Teppo jate(a)uwasa.fi

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Stuff Available

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

I'm having trouble moving around in the garage, and finding places for all the stuff I've gathered. I think it's time I moved some of it, especially considering that my interest in radio is growing faster than my interest in computers. FOR STARTERS: Please consider the following to be available. LOCAL PICKUP ONLY as most items are large and heavy. I'm in Kent, WA, southeast of Seattle. SMS-1000 PDP-11/73 clone. In great shape, with full tech manual (including schematics). I may even be able to find a pair of mating rack slides to go with it. Boots up, was fully operable when pulled from a working system two years ago, in (protected) storage with me since. $40/or best offer? High? Low? Insane? HP 7586B 8-PEN DRAFTING PLOTTER: Beautifully made high-precision device. Fully operational, if a bit noisy when drawing. Has both serial (RS232) and HPIB interfaces. Used to be my primary unit until I acquired my HP DraftMaster SX+ today. ;-) I think I may have a partial copy of the 7586's op/service manual. Such is no longer available from HP. I'd like to get some kind of cash for this since it's still in great shape. Shall we start at $50/or best offer? High? Low? Somewhere in the middle? BIG SCSI RAID CABINET: This is a retiree from a Tandem/AT&T system. Has a whole bunch of Seagate 'Wren' series 1.2 gig single-ended SCSI drives in their own carriers. The cabinet itself is beautifully made, heavily EMI-shielded, and has its own built-in battery backup supply. Here's the kicker: Even though I re-strapped both AC power supplies for 120VAC operation (it was set for 240), I can't seem to get the silly thing to do more than light the green 'OK' LEDs on the power supplies. The drives don't spin up, so I'm thinking some sort of control signal is required that I don't have a clue how to apply. This one's a bargain at $10.00. But you've gotta cart it out of here! Best done by removing all the plug-innable stuff. The cabinet then becomes light enough for one husky person to move reasonably well. EXABYTE 8200 WITH PERTEC INTERFACE: That's right, folks. This one's a real head-scratcher. It's an 8200 in a custom enclosure made by Contemporary Cybernetics of VA. (out of business now, I think) around 1990. It contains a Pertec-to-SE/SCSI bridge board, and it also has a nice two-line alphanumeric display to let you know what the drive's doing. Native capacity would be 2.3 gigs. Condition: Seems to work, at least through basic power-up. I don't have a system set up with a Pertec controller at the moment, so I can't test it fully. However, I have cleaned the heads, and the drive itself seems to be fine with loading a tape. Asking $20/offer? NOTE: You'll need a pickup truck or cargo van to haul the plotter. I would really not recommend carrying it lying down... it was meant to travel standing on its (well-castered) legs. I WILL BE SELLING AT THE RADIO CLUB OF TACOMA SWAP MEET on Sep. 9th. E-mail me if you'd like location information for such. Thanks for looking at least. ;-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Nuclear Data Cards

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Does anyone collect Nuclear Data Cards. They go in a LSI 11/03 system. My scrapper got some in. If anyone is interested I could post the numbers. There are a few LSI-11 cards too. Paxton Portland, Oregon

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Brochure re: CSG liquidation

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

GMT Microelectronics. http://www.gmtme.com What do I win?? ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: Paul Braun [mailto:nerdware@laidbak.com] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:01 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Brochure re: CSG liquidation A little C= trivia on the subject -- after C= went belly-up and the plant was vacated, what then-fledgling but now-very famous and extremely successful company bought the Westchester facility to start it's empire? Paul > > I don't know if anyone saw this on comp.sys.cbm, but it's an > > interesting brochure. It's the auction notice brochure from 1994 for the > > Commodore Semiconductor Group. I work for the asset-based financing > > division of the sixth-largest bank in the US, and we've used Ross-Dove > > for our auctions and liquidations. It's a nice brochure with detailed > > pictures. > > > > Sad, none the less, but a great brochure. > > > > http://archive.dovebid.com/company/archive/commodore.htm > > Yeah, I downloaded all the images. Very informative and a rare look into > what MOS Technology became. > > -- > ----------------------------- personal page: > http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- > Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * > ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu > -- Wagner's music is better than it sounds. -- Mark Twain > --------------------- > Paul Braun WD9GCO Cygnus Productions nerdware_nospam(a)laidbak.com

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VAX/VMS V5.5-2 Memory Requirements

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>But slow is the idea believe it or not :^) The idea is to have it slow >enough that any improvements are noticable, so I'll start with 5MB, and bump >it up to 9MB if that's to bad. Part of the idea is also to have DECwindows >running so I'll be giving fixing the VR260 a try. I'd been running this >system without the VR260 using a terminal because I didn't have space for the >monitor, would't you know it now that I do... 5mb is more reasonable. At 4mb doing a help screen is going to age you as it swaps itself dizzy. If memory serves the resident portion of VMS5.5 is around 3800 blocks and in 5mb there is at least a meg of loose space. I have two MVIIs so I know what your doing and how slow slow is. An aside for tuning, since the system swaps a fair amount (worse at minimal ram) a second disk with the PRIMARY page and swap files on it makes a huge difference. this is more effective if the second disk has it's own controller. A good drive for swap/page files is a RD52 (quantum D540) as it's fast and easily found (and run forever). Of course space and power for that dictates a BA123. The #2 MVII is a ba23 with CMD SCSI for the main drives and one lonesome RD52 on RQDX3 for standalone backup and page/swap files. Another trick is running VMStailor(remove unated stuff and libraries) and then doing an image backup and restore (defrag the disk). >Besides for fast I've got the PWS433au w/320MB RAM running V7.2 :^) That would be a tad faster. ;) Allison

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Semi-OT: Soldering Iron recommendations

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> wrote: > Well I got the EC2002... > 1) Readout display... > 2) Replacable wands *and* tips. > For me at least this has been a really great piece of gear. I got two of these when Software Results closed. I had to repair both of them last year (one was already dead when I got it, the other dies later). Another vote for such equipment - it's possible to get replacement parts. One had a bad thermal sensor, the other had a bad heating element (but the two units were of different revisions, so the parts weren't exactly interchangable). It cost a few bucks, but lots less than replacements. Well built gear that's maintainable. Great units if you can find them. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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VAX/VMS V5.5-2 Memory Requirements

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Run with 8mb, at 4mb it's going to be slow! If the VR260 is out use a terminal line, you can still run DECwindows later (or not). Allison -----Original Message----- From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 2:11 PM Subject: Re: VAX/VMS V5.5-2 Memory Requirements >> V5.x wants 4mb minimum to run. It can be tricked into three >> but dont try. I'd run just the 8mb board if backplane space is an issue as >> that is a comfortable config for 5.5. FYI: more memory helps only a tiny >> bit unless the machine is fairly loaded with users/apps. >> >> Allison > >Since it's a II/RC backplane space is an issue :^) Thanks for the info. >I'll probably try it with a 4MB board as I'm trying to run with as minimal >of a configuration as possible so I can play with system tuning on this >system. Of course all this depends on getting the VR260 back up and >running. > > Zane >

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Semi-OT: EPROM/PROM/PAL/.. programmer recommendations

by dburrows＠netpath.net

I use the Advantech Labtool 48. So far it has done everything I have asked of it. http://www.generaldevice.com/ He also gets various used ones in. Dan -----Original Message----- From: emanuel stiebler <emu(a)ecubics.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, August 31, 2000 2:35 PM Subject: Semi-OT: EPROM/PROM/PAL/.. programmer recommendations Hi, Because we are a little OT anyway, I like to take the chance and ask ;-) What is the " best" programmer, one can buy this days ? I like to program the old (2716, ...) and the new stuff. (EPROM/PALs/FLASH/...) cheers & thanks, emanuel

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Odd Honeywell Mouse

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Digging in a huge tangle of wires today I found an odd looking Honeywell > mouse. Instead of a ball, it has two wheels on the bottom angled so that > one turns on x axis and the other y axis movements. Otherwise it looks like > an old PC serial mouse, is it? Dunno, but Doug Englebart's original rodentia were made in this fashion... -dq

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Odd Honeywell Mouse

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Those are similar tot he round mouse (Hawley) that were used for the early VAXstations. Those were not PC compatable. I've never seen a mouse on a z80 system (most didn't ahve graphics). Allison -----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 1:51 PM Subject: Re: Odd Honeywell Mouse >On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Mike Ford wrote: > >> Digging in a huge tangle of wires today I found an odd looking Honeywell >> mouse. Instead of a ball, it has two wheels on the bottom angled so that >> one turns on x axis and the other y axis movements. Otherwise it looks like >> an old PC serial mouse, is it? > >I have a no-name, most-likely prototype mouse like this that I got with >an early-80s CP/M machine. > >Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger >------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ >Looking for a six in a pile of nines... > > VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 > San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California > See http://www.vintage.org for details! > >

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VCF Requests

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > Nah... too modern! Coke and cold (leftover) pizza. A true > > > hacker classic! > > > > Add some twinkies for that extra 'get yer morning > started' boost. B^} > > > Ahhh... The four basic food groups: > > The Hostess group > ???? The Hostess Group include Twinkies, SnoBalls, Cupcakes, etc... Twinkies are an oblong angel-food cake filled with sugary cream. And for some strange reason, they are available in both a regular form, and "low-fat" form. hth, -dq > > > The Coca Cola group > > The Pizza group > > The Chinese group > > H. > > -- > VCF Europa 2.0 am 28./29. April 2001 in Muenchen > http://www.vintage.org/vcfe > http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe >

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VCF Requests

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > The Hostess Group include Twinkies, SnoBalls, Cupcakes, > > > etc... Twinkies are an oblong angel-food cake filled with sugary cream. > > > And for some strange reason, they are available in both a > > > regular form, and "low-fat" form. > > > > Is it true that the Twinkie filling with the multi-millenial shelf life is > > really an edible^H^H^H^H^H^H non-toxic form of WD-40? > > I dunno, but my ballbearings run so much better after I wedge > the cakes in. I really had to restrain myself from posting the reply I wanted to... but this is a *family* list, isn't it? 8D

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PDP-11 Equipment in Vancouver

by mark＠cs.ualberta.ca

I got a fax this week from the Greater Vancouver Regional District with a rather interesting batch of PDP11 equipment they are trying to sell. The bids close on Sept 1, and its as-is, where-is. I have the complete list of equipment, it includes: PDP 11/84 PDP 11/44 2 RA81 2 RA80 3 RL02 TU80 LA120 LA100 30 RL02 disks etc They have decided to split up the batch, so you can bid on each unit separately. If there is anyone on the list interested, we would need to find someone in Vancouver (or close by) who could organize the pickup. I can provide more information to anyone who is interested.

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VCF Requests

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > Ahhh... The four basic food groups: > > > The Hostess group > > ???? > > Don't you have Twinkies and Ding-Dongs in Germany? You know, Here in Louisville, KY area (and further south I'm told), they quit calling those things "Ding Dongs" due to the jokes. Here, they're "King Don's" Go figure. -dq

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220v and PDP 11 cards

by g＠kurico.com

This is for those folks out there that have the big iron, specifically, anything that uses 220v. If your machine is at home, and assuming you don't have a seperate dedicated 220v line, what are you using to power your machines? Do you tap into the oven/washer outlet? Just how high did your electric bill increase by? Any other suggestions? I recently picked up a box full of PDP 11 cards. Is there a site that actually describes what the cards do (vs simply a terse description of what the card is e.g. DR 11-C Interface). There were also some blue cards from a company called MDB (DR11C, 11W?, MLSI DRV11C, etc). What type of boards were these? And lastly. Several of the above boards are in sad shape. They were left outside so now there pretty dirty (as in literally having dirt crusted on them, along with leaves and dead/dried critters), any suggestions on how to clean them up without ruining them. Thanks George

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DEC VR260 Monitor Problem

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

OK, maybe it doesn't matter how much RAM V5.5 takes, I'm starting to think that the VR260 is either sick or dead. Anyone have any suggestions for dealing with one? The only indication of output is on the middel 2/5th's of the screen, there is a strip across it. Playing with brightness and contrast doesn't seem to help any. More disturbing disconnecting the video cable doesn't seem to cause any change either. The only thing I'm sure about is that the VCB01, cable and VR260 all worked when I stuck them in storaage about 3 years ago. Anyone have any suggestions of things to look at? Zane

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VCF Requests

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

At 06:21 PM 8/29/00, you wrote: > > > > Dr. Pepper. Flowing freely. By the gallon. Mr. Pibb even better. > > Classic Coke and Cherry Coke... In grand quantities! > >Doesn't anyone drink Jolt anymore? Nah... too modern! Coke and cold (leftover) pizza. A true hacker classic! Add some twinkies for that extra 'get yer morning started' boost. B^} -jim --- jimw(a)computergarage.org The Computer Garage - http://www.computergarage.org Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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220v and PDP 11 cards

by dburrows＠netpath.net

Subject: 220v and PDP 11 cards >This is for those folks out there that have the big iron, specifically, >anything that uses 220v. If your machine is at home, and >assuming you don't have a seperate dedicated 220v line, what are >you using to power your machines? Do you tap into the >oven/washer outlet? Just how high did your electric bill increase >by? Any other suggestions? For all of the PDP11 chassis I can think of off hand they can be configured for 120 or 240 volt. I frequently run multiple PDP11 test systems in the office. I did cheat and dropped a 100A panel behind the racks. This was cheaper and easier than running numerous 30A drops with L5-30 twistlocks. One thing you will need to figure on is air conditioning load. It is amazing how much heat they can generate. This will vary widely on what system and disks you have. Warning RA8x drives generate a LOT of heat and suck a lot of power. Caveat. I support a fair number of commercial end users. My office is supplied with a 200A service subfed off the house 400A service. >DRV11C, etc). What type of boards were these? You need to find one of the PDP11 interfaces manuals. There were several and what they covered varied with dates published and Unibus vs. Qbus. My stock of these currently is low. I have given several spare copies to various list members. Dan

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PDP-11 Equipment in Vancouver

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

DO they have any non-DEC minicomputers? Will J _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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VCF Requests

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

When shopping for Twinkies, look for the boxes that are labelled "No PCB's" Will J _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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VAX/VMS V5.5-2 Memory Requirements

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Real quickie answer... V5.x wants 4mb minimum to run. It can be tricked into three but dont try. I'd run just the 8mb board if backplane space is an issue as that is a comfortable config for 5.5. FYI: more memory helps only a tiny bit unless the machine is fairly loaded with users/apps. Allison ------Original Message------ From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Sent: August 30, 2000 3:33:29 AM GMT Subject: VAX/VMS V5.5-2 Memory Requirements OK, this falls in the stupid question catagory. What are the minimum memory requirements for VMS V5.5? I'm in the process of resurecting my VAXstation II/RC and would for some idiotic reason like to leave it in the original configuration except for the HD (dead RD53). I just got done stuffing the VCB01 back in and noticed that what I thought was a 8MB RAM board is only a 2MB RAM board. Now here is the idiotic part, I'm threatening to run it in a 3MB RAM configuration, despite having some 4MB and 8MB RAM boards. As a result I'm wondering what VMS V5.5's RAM requirements are. Unfortunatly I've not got much in the line of V5.5 doc's so can't look it up. Zane __________________________________________________________________ Get Verizon Online DSL for $39.95 and get 30 days of free service! http://www.bellatlantic.net/promos/p2banet.html

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OT: Philips "Easy-Connect" modem

by richard＠idcomm.com

I know this isn't what we're here to discuss, but I was wondering if anybody uses or has experience with a Philips 56K-flex "EasyConnect" modem. The woman who lives next-door to my Mom, and has for the past 40+ years is a virtual shut-in due to her dependence on oxygen due to her advanced emphysema from years of smoking, an her computer is an important source of outlet and outside-world contact for her. I recently replaced her hard-disk for her, having installed this entire system, bit-by-bit, over a number of years, and it has worked remarkably well until recently. I installed her hard disk and reinstalled the Windows95 (no update to '98 because the OSR-2 version of '95 worked so satisfactorily for her) and everything works beautifully EXCEPT the MODEM. This model is a Plug-N-Play modem, and slid in effortlessly when I first set it up for her, but her motherboard is not a plug-n-play type of board. It doesn't attempt to go out and manipulate the devices that are out there in order to configure the interrupts and port locations. I'm curious whether anyone has had to solve this sort of problem before and has a solution. I've tried everything I could think of and have had no luck at all. Any reasonable suggestions are welcome. thanks, Dick

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trs-80, tcp-ip

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Was there ever a tcp-ip stack that ran on a TRS-80 model 100? If so, does > anyone know where to get such a thing? Man, I get the wierdest questions... If anyone has one, it'd be the Packet software originally written by Keith Petersen (and added to by hosts of others). hth, -dq

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OT: Philips "Easy-Connect" modem

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

There is a register at x260h I think that is used to identify and control P&P devices like that. It has to go somewhere of even a true P&P board would never find it. The AMD5x86 is pretty decent but not a pentium, it's a low volatage faster 486dx/100 with bigger internal cache. I have a few here and they are solid machines. As to P&P, I have two dell 425sx boxen than run w95 just fine (nt or linux better!) and never had trouble with any of the better P&P modems and Eithercards I use despite the BIOS being totally P&P ignorant. There are such things as junk cards or worse lost media/docs needed to use them. Allison ------Original Message------ From: "Richard Erlacher" <richard(a)idcomm.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Sent: August 30, 2000 3:29:46 AM GMT Subject: Re: OT: Philips "Easy-Connect" modem It happens that this particular modem is the only remaining plug-n-pray card and, while most of these critters have some sort of driver that makes them assume some identity, this particular one doesn't. It does have a flash utility, but even that can't find the thing. Nonetheless, when I put the modem in a plug-n-play system it identifies itself, but the system can't find it sufficiently to identify it enough to install it. The install routine, unlike most, requires that one proceed only after the OS has announced recognition of the modem, at which point you're supposed to use the CD that comes with the modem. Unfortunately, though I've never had to use it before, it doesn't work to do the install now, because it can't find where the modem is. This system has been almost totally trouble-free, with the exception that, since the little old lady that uses it for web surfing and email hasn't learned how to avoid accumulating junk from the web, her disk space has gotten so low that the printer driver won't work any longer, so we replaced here 545 MB drive with a 13.6 GB one. Installing that was somewhat of a pain, but now that it's in place, it works great. If only one could get a modem that wasn't plug and play and didn't require a 22 GHz pentium to make it work. This box has a 160 MHz 5x86, which is just a sort-of Pentium-compatible '486. I've got dozens of these "out there" among the pro-bono clientele I've accumulated over the years and even though they're not the latest, fastest, etc, you'll have trouble prying the users' cold-dead fingers from around them. They really like them. I've found 300 MHz Pentium-equipped motherboards for $40 and not one of these folks wanted to swap 'em. These old things still have a couple of VLB slots along with a couple of ISA slots and 3 PCI. My mother has one too, and even she doesn't complain. Dick __________________________________________________________________ Get Verizon Online DSL for $39.95 and get 30 days of free service! http://www.bellatlantic.net/promos/p2banet.html

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failure notice

by BRISCH＠MN.USWEST.NET

>Return-Path: <> >Delivered-To: brisch(a)mail-mpls.uswest.net >Received: (qmail 79455 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 13:45:07 -0000 >Received: from mail4.uswest.net (204.147.80.22) > by mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:45:07 -0000 >Received: (qmail 6862 invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2000 13:45:02 -0000 >Delivered-To: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >Received: (qmail 6843 invoked for bounce); 30 Aug 2000 13:45:02 -0000 >Date: 30 Aug 2000 13:45:02 -0000 >From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)mail4.uswest.net >To: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >Subject: failure notice >Status: U >X-UIDL: 967643108.79464.mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net > >Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail4.uswest.net. >I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. >This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > ><owner-classiccmp.org(a)uswest.net>: >Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) > >--- Below this line is a copy of the message. > >Return-Path: <BRISCH(a)uswest.net> >Received: (qmail 6833 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 13:45:02 -0000 >Received: from mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.3) > by mail4.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:45:02 -0000 >Received: (qmail 17513 invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2000 13:44:57 -0000 >Delivered-To: fixup-owner-classiccmp.org@fixme >Received: (qmail 17508 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 13:44:56 -0000 >Received: from zdialup204.mpls.uswest.net (HELO sysnt4intr) (216.160.11.205) > by mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:44:56 -0000 >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:36:48 -0500 >Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000830083648.00a22c20(a)mail.mn.uswest.net> >From: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >To: owner-classiccmp.org >X-Sender: brisch(a)mail.mn.uswest.net >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) >Subject: classiccmp-digest V1 #356 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >remove unsubscribe stop just get me off this list > >>Return-Path: <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> >>Delivered-To: brisch(a)mail-mpls.uswest.net >>Received: (qmail 89075 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 11:46:14 -0000 >>Received: from mail9.uswest.net (204.147.80.27) >> by mail.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 11:46:14 -0000 >>Received: (qmail 76541 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 11:46:13 -0000 >>Received: from opal.tseinc.com (209.83.134.16) >> by mail9.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 11:46:13 -0000 >>Received: (from majordom@localhost) >> by opal.tseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA39901 >> for classiccmp-classiccmp-org-digest-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:41:06 >-0500 (CDT) >> (envelope-from owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org) >>Errors-To: owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:41:06 -0500 (CDT) >>Message-Id: <200008301141.GAA39901(a)opal.tseinc.com> >>From: "classiccmp-digest" <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> >>Sender: owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >>To: classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >>X-Authentication-Warning: opal.tseinc.com: majordom set sender to >owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org using -f >>Subject: classiccmp-digest V1 #356 >>Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >>Precedence: bulk >>Status: U >>X-UIDL: 967635975.89086.96574.mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net >> >> >>classiccmp-digest Wednesday, August 30 2000 Volume 01 : Number 356 >> >> >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:30:08 +0100 >>From: Adrian Graham <agraham(a)ccat.co.uk> >>Subject: RE: large collection of vintage machines on ebay >> >>They *are* taking over my computer room and garage though :) >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] >>> Sent: 26 August 2000 18:01 >>> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >>> Subject: Re: large collection of vintage machines on ebay >>> >> >> >> >>WARNING: The remainder of this message has not been transferred. >>The estimated size of this message is 96642 bytes. >>Click on the server retrieve icon above and check mail again to get the >whole thing. If the server retrieve icon is not showing, then this message >is no longer on the server. >> > >

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by BRISCH＠MN.USWEST.NET

>Return-Path: <> >Delivered-To: brisch(a)mail-mpls.uswest.net >Received: (qmail 38788 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >Received: from mail6.uswest.net (204.147.80.24) > by mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >Received: (qmail 4691 invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >Delivered-To: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >Received: (qmail 4687 invoked for bounce); 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >Date: 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)mail6.uswest.net >To: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >Subject: failure notice >Status: U >X-UIDL: 967643038.38794.mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net > >Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail6.uswest.net. >I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. >This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > ><owner-classiccmp.org(a)uswest.net>: >Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) > >--- Below this line is a copy of the message. > >Return-Path: <BRISCH(a)uswest.net> >Received: (qmail 4682 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >Received: from mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.3) > by mail6.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >Received: (qmail 17367 invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2000 13:43:53 -0000 >Delivered-To: fixup-owner-classiccmp.org@fixme >Received: (qmail 17362 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 13:43:52 -0000 >Received: from zdialup204.mpls.uswest.net (HELO sysnt4intr) (216.160.11.205) > by mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:43:52 -0000 >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:35:43 -0500 >Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000830083543.00a24c40(a)mail.mn.uswest.net> >From: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >To: owner-classiccmp.org >X-Sender: brisch(a)mail.mn.uswest.net >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) >Subject: Returned mail: User unknown >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>Return-Path: <> >>Delivered-To: brisch(a)mail-mpls.uswest.net >>Received: (qmail 2124 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 13:05:03 -0000 >>Received: from mail2.uswest.net (204.147.80.18) >> by mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:05:03 -0000 >>Received: (qmail 5694 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 13:05:03 -0000 >>Received: from opal.tseinc.com (209.83.134.16) >> by mail2.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:05:03 -0000 >>Received: from localhost (localhost) >> by opal.tseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with internal id IAA40788; >> Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:05:02 -0500 (CDT) >> (envelope-from MAILER-DAEMON) >>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:05:02 -0500 (CDT) >>Message-Id: <200008301305.IAA40788(a)opal.tseinc.com> >>From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" <MAILER-DAEMON(a)opal.tseinc.com> >>To: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Status: U >>X-UIDL: 967640704.2136.mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net >>Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; >> boundary="IAA40788.967640702/opal.tseinc.com" >>Subject: Returned mail: User unknown >>Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) >> >>The original message was received at Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:05:01 -0500 (CDT) >>from mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net [204.147.80.3] >> >> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- >><owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> >> (expanded from: <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org>) >> >> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >>... while talking to jade.tseinc.com.: >>>>> RCPT To:<owner-classiccmp-classiccmp-org-digest(a)jade.tseinc.com> >><<< 550 <owner-classiccmp-classiccmp-org-digest(a)jade.tseinc.com>... User >unknown >>550 <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org>... User unknown >>Reporting-MTA: dns; opal.tseinc.com >>Received-From-MTA: DNS; mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net >>Arrival-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:05:01 -0500 (CDT) >> >>Final-Recipient: RFC822; <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> >>X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; >owner-classiccmp-classiccmp-org-digest(a)jade.tseinc.com >>Action: failed >>Status: 5.1.1 >>Remote-MTA: DNS; jade.tseinc.com >>Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 ><owner-classiccmp-classiccmp-org-digest(a)jade.tseinc.com>... User unknown >>Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:05:01 -0500 (CDT) >>Return-Path: <BRISCH(a)MN.USWEST.NET> >>Received: from mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net (mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net >[204.147.80.3]) >> by opal.tseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA40786 >> for <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org>; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:05:01 >-0500 (CDT) >> (envelope-from BRISCH(a)MN.USWEST.NET) >>From: BRISCH(a)MN.USWEST.NET >>Received: (qmail 11540 invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2000 13:04:31 -0000 >>Delivered-To: fixup-owner-classiccmp-digest@classiccmp.org@fixme >>Received: (qmail 11520 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 13:04:30 -0000 >>Received: from dialupd148.mpls.uswest.net (HELO sysnt4intr) (207.225.143.148) >> by mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:04:30 -0000 >>Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000830075620.00aa5100(a)mail.mn.uswest.net> >>X-Sender: brisch(a)mail.mn.uswest.net >>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) >>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:56:20 -0500 >>To: owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >>Subject: classiccmp-digest V1 #356 >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >>remove, delete stop get me off this list >> >>>Return-Path: <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> >>>Delivered-To: brisch(a)mail-mpls.uswest.net >>>Received: (qmail 89075 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 11:46:14 -0000 >>>Received: from mail9.uswest.net (204.147.80.27) >>> by mail.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 11:46:14 -0000 >>>Received: (qmail 76541 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 11:46:13 -0000 >>>Received: from opal.tseinc.com (209.83.134.16) >>> by mail9.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 11:46:13 -0000 >>>Received: (from majordom@localhost) >>> by opal.tseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA39901 >>> for classiccmp-classiccmp-org-digest-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:41:06 >>-0500 (CDT) >>> (envelope-from owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org) >>>Errors-To: owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >>>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:41:06 -0500 (CDT) >>>Message-Id: <200008301141.GAA39901(a)opal.tseinc.com> >>>From: "classiccmp-digest" <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> >>>Sender: owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >>>To: classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >>>X-Authentication-Warning: opal.tseinc.com: majordom set sender to >>owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org using -f >>>Subject: classiccmp-digest V1 #356 >>>Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >>>Precedence: bulk >>>Status: U >>>X-UIDL: 967635975.89086.96574.mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net >>> >>> >>>classiccmp-digest Wednesday, August 30 2000 Volume 01 : Number 356 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:30:08 +0100 >>>From: Adrian Graham <agraham(a)ccat.co.uk> >>>Subject: RE: large collection of vintage machines on ebay >>> >>>They *are* taking over my computer room and garage though :) >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] >>>> Sent: 26 August 2000 18:01 >>>> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >>>> Subject: Re: large collection of vintage machines on ebay >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>WARNING: The remainder of this message has not been transferred. >>>The estimated size of this message is 96642 bytes. >>>Click on the server retrieve icon above and check mail again to get the >>whole thing. If the server retrieve icon is not showing, then this message >>is no longer on the server. >>> >> > >

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My Interpro 2430 Works now !

by sipke＠wxs.nl

Since about a month I am the proud owner of an Interpro 2430 with a Kryptonite C400 ClipperCPU . It's a fully working system with a 21" Colordisplay, 32Mb RAM, 400MB SCSI HD, Ethernet, Floppy and a double framebuffer. Tonight I got the beast up and running and circumvented the root password. Yoooopiiii But I have no manuals, no CD, or other valuable information. I am currently rummaging through the filesystem, but it seems to have been used as a plain user machine with some CAD-software. No development stuff! The Clipper C400 CPU is offspring from the (in)famous C100 Fairchild-Clipper. Eventually the C400 (kryptonite) was the last one made. Intergraph Corporation (Ingr.) aquired the CPU from Fairchild and after a few years that was the end of the story. AFAIK Ingr. moved to the Windows NT platform and is no longer supporting the Clipper, the hardware or CLIX (the Clipper port of UNIX). The Clipper has a nice architecture though. I have a book (and a chipset) of the C100. The book=> Clipper 32-bit Microprocessor - User Manual (from Fairchild: ISBN 0-13-138058-3 025) The Clipper is actually a chip set. One Chip contains the CPU & FPU and 2 CAMMU chips which integrate a cache and a MMU. One of the CAMMU chips serves the Instruction Queue, the other CAMMU is for data. The CPU-FPU chip has 16 32-bit User registers, 16 32-Bit Supervisor registers 8 64-Bit Floatingpoint registers, a Program and System statusword and a Programcounter The CAMMU's each contain a 4k byte 2-way associ. data or instr. cache, A quadword (16-byte) linebuffer, that acts as a fast cache-within-the-cache, and a Translation Lookaside Buffer that caches 128 freq. used virtual adress translations. Not a lot by today's standards but cleverly executed. The Clipper is rather special in that it has both RISC and CISC features. The core is RISC but complex instructions are executed in an internal macrocode. (kinda microcode of RISC primitives) Software development on the Interpro systems is cumbersome and a lot of the CLIX-features are outdated. It's also slow by today's norm You can put some version of gcc on this system but you would need the CLIX-libraries in order to execute your programs on the native Clipper. These lib's are on the CD that accompanied the system. ..... But I don't have that CD Alas, Linux or NetBSD would be nice. But Ingr is not forthcoming with the systemdetails. So any one out there that could leverage some goodwill on the side of Ingr. to part with Interpro, Clipper and CLIX secrets ........ ...... might set of the first porting attempts! Meanwhile a lot of these systems get scrapped and the Clipper heritage slowly goes into the big void of remote history. It's rather ironical that the system does not yet deserve the label of vintage computer because it is not even 10 years old. The BIOS-productiondate on my system reads 1994! So if you feel as sad about this wastefull drama as I do .... Let's unite and let us be heard of... I will address these matters on this group in the near future and may propose a mild flame towards Ingr. to persuade and petition them to put more of their Clipper material in the public domain. But first I need to learn more about these matters I personally am not capable of porting anything since I am still busy getting used to CLIX, UNIX, LINUX or whatever. Reactions please ........... Sipke de Wal

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OT: Re: VCF Soft Drink Requests

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

I'll just stick to good beer thank you. Francois Local person of nundaneness and Safety ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Looking for sex in a pile of mimes... -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 4:02 PM Subject: Re: OT: Re: VCF Soft Drink Requests >> > > > > > How about starting a request list of stuff we're hoping to find for >> > > > > > trade/sale/free at the VCF >> > > > > > -beer (speaking of which: If you owe me a beer, you'll have a chance >> > > > > > to pay up this VCF.) >> > > > > Dr. Pepper. Flowing freely. By the gallon. Mr. Pibb even better. >> > > > > Does canned Mr. Pibb exist *anywhere*? It seems to only exist as a >> > > > > fountain drink, at least here in So. Cal. >> > > > Well, I agree for the Beer part, but what the >> > > > heck you are talking about ? >> > > Classic Coke and Cherry Coke... In grand quantities! >> > Blasphemy. :-P >> >> Well, without the beer I'll go for the coke, but ya'll have >> to give me some private lessons about this kind of soft drinks >> (I took some of Uncle ROgers weired soft drink cans back to >> Germany (strawbery vanilla flavoured something) and got prety >> stupid reactions :) > >I think we need to introduce you to Vernors, too. > >-- >----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- > Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu >-- Philosophy will clip an angel's wings. -- John Keats -----------------------

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TI Silent 700 help

by jate＠uwasa.fi

Hello! I'm a happy owner of Silent 700. I bought this thing yesterday for 20 FIM (approx. $3) and it looks spanking new! Really nice. Anyway it's model 745 and it has an acoustic coupler and a DB15 (male) connector. I browsed through some classiccmp mails from retrobyte but I was left a bit confused. Is the 15-pin connector RS-232 or is it current loop ? (keeping my fingers crossed for RS-232!) I've also read that you can set different options via the internal jumpers, does anybody have any idea about those ? It had a loopback connector on the DB15 connected like this: 2->11 3->13 8->12 -- Jarkko "Proud and happy owner of a RetroGraphics powered ADM-3" Teppo jate(a)uwasa.fi

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OT: Philips "Easy-Connect" modem

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>I found that if I shut down and _remove_ the modem and then install windoze 95 >on a _clean_, freshly formatted disk and then shut down and re-install the >modem, _then_ the parts of w95 that need to will see the modem (remember, it's >a plug-n-pray modem that I have -like you'd said your friend's was). My m'board >is supposed to be "Plug-n-Play" but in this case there are probably subtle >things that made it mostly plug-n-pray for sure. Yes there are. To get plug and pray to reset you need to enable the reset in the bios. the next power up it will enumerate the modem. two caveats... not all winmodems (HSP) work in all systems. And if the BIOS is not P&P you may have to go into the control Pannel | system and actually tweek the driver to point at every possible address the modem can be at (less than a dozen). Usually it W95 messes up and puts the wrong stuff at the wrong IRQ and this is worse when IRQs are near all full! I know I do this EVERY day on 5x86/133 through P166 systems that are OLD. Also keep in mond that the autoprobe function of the system can and does fail to find stuff or if it has the worng IRQ/Address misidentifes it. >Although I have some experience with installing PNP hardware onto w95/98 >systems, it seems to me that while installing the w95 onto a previously >hardware configured box, the PNP majic of the system will not correctly detect >and install the PNP hardware into the new system. Maybe this is old hat to some >of you that had come against this problem, but it's new to me as I'm not one to >buy lots of hardware stuff to play with and try out and otherwise tinker with >my machines. The machines are tools for me and I put my money resources into >s/w tools I need or my old radio collection (as Hans F. and Wm. Donzelli can >attest ;) It's fairly straightforward. I do this enough to be comfortable with it. Previously installed means no new disk or reinstall of the OS (unless it was to refresh a few files) as the OS stores all the setup in REGISTRY, INFs and DLLs. For those not timid at heart, the registry is very editable and can usually stand cleaning up. FYI the most common problem is that I find the P&P want to put NIC at 210 and IRQ3 or 5 with is often already commited to COM1 and LPT2. Manual setting of the OS (in the system pannel) is enough to fix that. BEWARE... W95 by default installs NETBUEI as the only protocal! You must make sure that the TCP/IP protocal is installed and also the adaptor (networking pannel). Then go to the DUN (DIAL UP NETWORKING) and set up the dial out. FYI: use MSDUN13 (from the MS site.) as the OSR2 DUN has problems arounf DHCP and some other junk. I usually install W95, then setup the networking, install MSDUN13 and then follow with layered products (err uhm applications). HINT: install MS internet explorer before netscape then make netscape the default if you prefer it. Also if you use MS Internet explorer/OutlookExpress Use 4.01SP2, it has fewer of the active-x and COMx controls and can be hardened more than the IE5 versions (they are very virus prone). Last item in is a ANTIvirus with currrent signatures, I lke SYMANTEC but MCAfee seems to work as well. In any case instal and enable it. >BTW, I'm using w95 OSR-2 also. 8-24-96 is the majority of file dates on the >distribution. Same here. Also known as 95B or 400.950. That was the last version unless you have 95C (I do) which is the OEM disti copy. Myself I've run 95, 98 and NT4/SP4/workstation and NT beats 9x hands down (except for games). It will give untuned Linux (caldara openlinux2.3) a goor run. NT like Linux is intimidating for the novice to install and setup. Done properly with known good drivers they all work. Keep in mind one thing, I HATE Micros~1! Allison

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VAX/VMS V5.5-2 Memory Requirements

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

OK, this falls in the stupid question catagory. What are the minimum memory requirements for VMS V5.5? I'm in the process of resurecting my VAXstation II/RC and would for some idiotic reason like to leave it in the original configuration except for the HD (dead RD53). I just got done stuffing the VCB01 back in and noticed that what I thought was a 8MB RAM board is only a 2MB RAM board. Now here is the idiotic part, I'm threatening to run it in a 3MB RAM configuration, despite having some 4MB and 8MB RAM boards. As a result I'm wondering what VMS V5.5's RAM requirements are. Unfortunatly I've not got much in the line of V5.5 doc's so can't look it up. Zane

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CGS/Commodore bankruptcy (was RE: Brochure re: CSG liquidation)

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hans: I did some investigation of this several years ago on this topic exactly. I was able to put my hands on the motion to approve the sale of the assets of CEL and CBM. Excerpting from the court filing, as follows: ---------------------- UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK Notice of hearing to appeove sale of assets and solicitation of higher or better offers. ... PLEASE TAKE FURTHER NOTICE THAT the sale to Escom is pursuant to a contract (the "Contract") dated March 13, 1995 providing for the conveyance of specified assets (collectively referred to here in as the "assets"), including the right, title and interest of the Commodore Entities to substantially all of their intellectual property, including technology, trademarks (including Commodore's logo and the names "Amiga" and "Commodore"), patents, copyrights, and know-how, and tooling, inventory, components, spare parts, microchips, and microchip test and design equipment, for a gross price of approximately $5 million in cash. The technology being offered for sale includes all technology and patents developed in connection with Commodore's products, including the Amiga 1200, the Amiga 4000, and the Amiga CD32. {end quote} -------------------- The auction was to take place on April 20, 1995. As I recall, Escom did purchase all of the 8-bit technology, including all of the Amiga stuff, and then promptly filed for insolvency on July 15, 1996. Then, supposedly all of the same assets were sold to Gateway, which then sold the Amiga goodies to Amiga, Inc. (Snoqualmie, WA). I would suspect that the 8-bit technology went with it, although I can't confirm it. If someone knows anyone in the know at Gateway or Amiga, that would be a good way to find out. However, when reading CBM's reorganization plan (which obviously was never delcared effective; the company was ultimately liquidated), it specifically mentions the desire of the liquidators of CIL and CEL to sell all of the intellectual property, know-how, tooling, and inventory, including that of the C64 and Amiga products. The reorganization plan also indicated that CBM had $150 million of unsecured trade claims, including $95 million to various other Commodore entities. More information. As of an early-1997 D&B report, the officers of GMT Microelectronics (purchaser of the CSG real property and equipment in the auction) included Dennis Peasenell (CHB), James Oerth (CTO), Anthonw Wilson (VP of Facilities), George Giansanti (President), Thomas Aiken (CFO) and Alan Sabanosh (VP of Manufacturing). GMT purchased the Norristown facility on September 2, 1994 (closing on January 6, 1995) for $4.3 million in cash. This acquisition was to include some personal property (equipment and raw materials and finished goods on hand, I would suspect). Rich Pseudo-attorney -----Original Message----- From: Hans Franke [mailto:Hans.Franke@mch20.sbs.de] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 7:12 AM To: Richard A. Cini, Jr. Subject: Re: Brochure re: CSG liquidation Hallo Rich, > I don't know if anyone saw this on comp.sys.cbm, but it's an interesting > brochure. It's the auction notice brochure from 1994 for the Commodore > Semiconductor Group. I work for the asset-based financing division of the > sixth-largest bank in the US, and we've used Ross-Dove for our auctions and > liquidations. It's a nice brochure with detailed pictures. In fact, I'm still searching for some informations. for example who owns the IP of CSG ? Like the 6510 or 6530 cips - also who owns the IP for Commodore programm code, like the 6530 ROM content ? Maybe you got any idea ? Back in the final Commodore auction in NYC, these rights have not been mentioned. the only alike IP part has been the Amiga lot. Seams as if the ownership has been 'lost'. > Sad, none the less, but a great brochure. > http://archive.dovebid.com/company/archive/commodore.htm Jep, great historic material. Thank you Servus Hans -- VCF Europa 2.0 am 28./29. April 2001 in Muenchen http://www.vintage.org/vcfe http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe

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Intel iPDS-100 boot disk/docs?

by vcf＠siconic.com

Does anyone have the boot disk and/or docs for the Intel iPDS-100? It's a portable (like the Osborn) circa 1982, 8085-based (it actually has three 8085's inside). Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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VCF Requests

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

How about starting a request list of stuff we're hoping to find for trade/sale/free at the VCF I'll start right here: -pocket computers -programmable calculators -beer (speaking of which: If you owe me a beer, you'll have a chance to pay up this VCF.) -laptops -software and accessories for the above -MSX machines -European models (Amstrad, Oric, Sinclair....) Keep on adding. Thanks Francois

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classiccmp-digest V1 #354

by BRISCH＠MN.USWEST.NET

Please remove (stop subscription) >Return-Path: <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> >Delivered-To: brisch(a)mail-mpls.uswest.net >Received: (qmail 19789 invoked by uid 0); 28 Aug 2000 09:44:14 -0000 >Received: from mail3.uswest.net (204.147.80.19) > by mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Aug 2000 09:44:14 -0000 >Received: (qmail 1852 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2000 09:44:13 -0000 >Received: from opal.tseinc.com (209.83.134.16) > by mail3.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Aug 2000 09:44:13 -0000 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by opal.tseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03774 > for classiccmp-classiccmp-org-digest-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:41:35 -0500 (CDT) > (envelope-from owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org) >Errors-To: owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:41:35 -0500 (CDT) >Message-Id: <200008280941.EAA03774(a)opal.tseinc.com> >From: "classiccmp-digest" <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> >Sender: owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >To: classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >X-Authentication-Warning: opal.tseinc.com: majordom set sender to owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org using -f >Subject: classiccmp-digest V1 #354 >Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >Precedence: bulk >Status: U >X-UIDL: 967455854.19795.mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net > > >classiccmp-digest Monday, August 28 2000 Volume 01 : Number 354 > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:23:06 -0700 (PDT) >From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu> >Subject: Re: CP/M for HP 87? > >> on the subject of TI calcs... OT too! >> >> I see TI86s and 83s are around. Are any of these Z80 powered? > >I'm pretty sure the 85s are, at least. Never opened mine up, though. > >- -- >- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- > Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu >- -- An apple every eight hours will keep three doctors away. ------------------- > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:41:02 +0930 >From: "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au> >Subject: Re: looking for teletype KSR-43 ribbons > >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 6:38 AM >Subject: Re: looking for teletype KSR-43 ribbons > > >> >> >> On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Lawrence LeMay wrote: >> >> > >> > http://www.partsalliance.com/ne/ribbons.htm >> > >> > A package of 6 Teletype 43/45 ribbons is $16.62, or $20.28 including >tax. >> > Of course, this site is in Austrailia... >> >> Wow! A 22% tax! Shipping not included I presume. > >That would be wrong, we went to a retail price based GST of 10% on 1 July >from a wholesale price sales tax of 22%. >It's likely the site has not been updated yet. > >I can get these through a local office machine supplier for around $8 ea >incl tax. They are still quite easy to get. > >Cheers > >Geoff Roberts >Computer Systems Manager >Saint Mark's College >Port Pirie, South Australia, >geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:41:43 -0400 (EDT) >From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> >Subject: New Email address > > Hello Collecting friends. > > I am currently on 'inactive' status as far as classic computer >collecting goes, so my participation on the List has been mostly in R/O >mode. > > My old (+7 years!) ISP has seen fit to discontinue all it's Unix Shell >accounts effective Sept 30 of this year. I have therefore signed up with >another old-line ISP, panix.com in New York. > > Should any of you on the list be considering changing your ISP for any >reason, especially if you are primarily a telnet user.. I can highly >recomend them. Their customer service has been a) excellent and >b) proactive; a state of affairs unheard-of in my years on the Net. > > > Since I am now living and working in Southern India, I have bestowed my >collection en masse to a couple of Listmembers and will not be actively >pursuing the hobby for a year or two. Getting a full-blown 11/44 system >thru checked baggage is one thing, but dealing with Indian customs..... > > ;) > > > I would like to take this small opportunity to publicly thank each and >everyone of you one the List who help to preserve these old beasts, and >also I would like to thank Allison, Megan, Tim, Sellam, Bruce, Marvin, >Tony Duell, Eric, Don Maslin, Hans Franke, Eliot Moore, and all the rest >who took time and effort to help me unravel DEC as it was meant to be. > > I have unsubbed the netcom account and subscribed at the panix addrr, >and I'll continue to monitor the list, although it is doubtful I'll be >posting much. I have found one cache of more-than-ten-year-old stuff, >mostly Commie and Atari. I'll post more when I have a chance to check it >out. Don't get too excited. Buyer pays shipping... > > > Cheers > >John > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:21:00 -0700 (PDT) >From: Aaron Nabil <nabil(a)SpiritOne.com> >Subject: Re: looking for teletype KSR-43 ribbons > >On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Geoff Roberts wrote: >> . . . >> I can get these through a local office machine supplier for around $8 ea >> incl tax. They are still quite easy to get. > >I was hoping someone would have a stash, yes, they are still easy to >order, which I ended up doing. > >If you don't mind clones, you can get a Intec (not crap) RI1039E from >http://www.theverylastword.com/ribbons.htm for about $5/ea, or if you >want the genuine article order a AT&T 127815 for about $8/ea from >10kplus.com like I did yesterday. > >- -- >Aaron Nabil > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:34:01 -0500 >From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> >Subject: Re: CP/M for HP 87? > >Stan, > > I have the ROM but I've never tried to use it. I don't have the >instructions for it so I don't know much about it. I have CPM for the HP >120 and I'm hoping that it will work with the ROM but I don't know if it >will or not. > > Joe > >At 04:34 PM 8/26/00 -0700, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I'm looking for CP/M software for an HP 87 with >>an HP 82900A CP/M cartridge! >> >>Any pointers/help appreciatd! >> >>thanks, >> >>Stan >> >>Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com >>www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler >> > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:25:59 -0400 >From: Gene Ehrich <gehrich(a)tampabay.rr.com> >Subject: Looking for Thinkpad 500 Battery > >The title says it all. > >New, used or rebuild. > > > >================================= >Gene Ehrich >gene(a)ehrich.com >gehrich(a)tampabay.rr.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 05:38:59 EDT >From: Jgzabol(a)aol.com >Subject: asgnpart.com > >Hello, > >would anyone know where I could find the MS-DOS progam asgnpart.com, >which was part of some of the versions 3.x and 4.x, but not of all these >versions. >None of the versions in my possession have it, unfortunately, and some >application I want to run has to have it. > >Thanks and regards >John G. Zabolitzky > >------------------------------ > >End of classiccmp-digest V1 #354 >******************************** > > >

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PDP11 (in a OBA11-VA) available, Austin, TX

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got a PDP-11/03 system (configured with RX01 controller, RAM card, and serial terminal interface) available in Austin, Texas (for sale). For local buyers, I've also got the VT102 terminal (complete with original owner's / programming manual) and dual RX01-compatible 8" floppy drive unit as well (these are too heavy/bulky to ship). Pics of the system at http://www.pdp11.org/pics. If interested, mail me at mrbill(a)mrbill.net to make an offer or negotiate. I'm not trying to make a profit off of this, just convert it into cash to help pay bills this month (I'll pick up another system a couple months >from now...) I've also got a VAXstation 4000-VLC with 16mb available. Bill (BTW - Dave McG - your -11 cards are going out in the mail this Friday) -- +-------------------\ /-----------------+ | Bill Bradford | www.sunhelp.org | | mrbill(a)mrbill.net | www.decvax.org | | Austin, Texas USA | www.pdp11.org | +-------------------/ \-----------------+

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trs-80, tcp-ip

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Was there ever a tcp-ip stack that ran on a TRS-80 model 100? If so, does anyone know where to get such a thing? Man, I get the wierdest questions... -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BeOS Powered! -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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large collection of vintage machines on ebay

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Obviously nobody thinks it's worth $5K! > -----Original Message----- > From: John Lewczyk [mailto:jlewczyk@his.com] > Sent: 26 August 2000 05:28 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: large collection of vintage machines on ebay > > > For what its worth... > > Because there are so many vintage machines, I thought I'd > pass along the url of > the auction and the list of machines. Its a rather > impressive collection for > sale. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=419928107 >

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Chip IDs?

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

Hey all, Apologies if this is a repeat; I thought I sent this before, but never saw it in the digest, nor any replies to it. Not sure if my e-mail failed to get out the door here, or if one (or more?) digest failed to make it into my mailbox, but the result is the same. I'm looking for info on the following chip numbers. (TI) SN2789N (TI) SN2792N (Fairchild?) 3005662 (Fairchild?) 3005663 (Fairchild?) 3005664 (Fairchild?) 3005665 (Fairchild?) 3005666 (Fairchild?) 3005668 (maybe another 3005666 - hard to read) >From the age of the machine and the date codes on the chips (late 60's), I expect these to be DTL or RTL or something. I also suspect that 2789 is the same as 3005663, and 2792 is the same as 3005668; some chips show both markings. Cheers, Bill.

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Windows CE (was future classic)

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

You're talking about Wind-Mill the replacement for Win98 that is supposed to be the last consumer only version before the grand gathering of NT "technology" and general public mass market distribution of DOS. Remember grasshopper, there can be only one. Or something like that Francois -----Original Message----- From: Derek Peschel <dpeschel(a)eskimo.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:08 AM Subject: OT: Re: Windows CE (was future classic) >> What the hell is Windows ME? Windows MistakE? FWIW Windows CE is now >> offically dead. I guess Billy Boy is going to try and pull another fast one >> on us and try to convince us that now we need to spend more money and buy >> his new and improved OS. >

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Nixdorf Computer - unknown model

by lionelp＠worldonline.co.za

Hey guys, I was wondering: Can you guys help me determine what kind of computer I have here? I got this old system from a friend, without any documentation, when I switch it on, all it does is give me a white screen, and it says: Top of screen: SYSTEM 886SX SAP VERSION: SAPPRO 10.10 Bottom of screen: MWSS:XB99 LINK:02 LINE:01 R---- S ('S' is flashing) OFFLINE Is this enough to identify it? It seems enough, but I have no idea what it is. Nor how to use it. Secondly, if you know what it is, can you try to tell me where I can get some info on how it works? Or a brief explanation? Thanks in advance, Lionel Pinkhard

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large collection of vintage machines on ebay

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

They *are* taking over my computer room and garage though :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > Sent: 26 August 2000 18:01 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: large collection of vintage machines on ebay > > > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Mike wrote: > > > Thanks for the sympathy, but dont let your posessions > become your master. > > A good point. > > Sellam International Man of > Intrigue and Danger > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > Looking for a six in a pile of nines... > > VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 > San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California > See http://www.vintage.org for details! > >

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Brochure re: CSG liquidation

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hi: I don't know if anyone saw this on comp.sys.cbm, but it's an interesting brochure. It's the auction notice brochure from 1994 for the Commodore Semiconductor Group. I work for the asset-based financing division of the sixth-largest bank in the US, and we've used Ross-Dove for our auctions and liquidations. It's a nice brochure with detailed pictures. Sad, none the less, but a great brochure. http://archive.dovebid.com/company/archive/commodore.htm Rich [ Rich Cini [ ClubWin!/CW1 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ <http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/> <================ reply separator =================>

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Altair emulator project - update

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: I've made some significant progress on adding a virtual paper tape punch/reader to Claus Guiloi's Altair Emulator. There are several other things that I need to work on, such as the "punching" part of the punch, console I/O (a virtual terminal), and port I/O. Any other feature suggestions are welcome. I've made contact with Claus and he has agreed, time permitting, to review my code. I've spent much of the time learning Windows/C programming, so it's not pretty, but it works. There is also another individual at MS who worked on several other additions to the emulator, but I haven't spoken with him yet. He's made some other enhancements, particularly to the core emulation code. What I'd like to do is to test the file loading/saving code with some live code so that I can see it actually work. So, I'd like to ask the audience for some sample Altair programs based on the following specs: - the image files need to be in both Intel HEX and/or straight binary format. - program samples should include both front-panel and VDT oriented programs. - I'd like to get a range of application and system programs, including BASIC and a monitor program. - I'd like to get a range of file sizes and load locations, too. That's all for now. If anyone has any suggestions, let me know. Rich [ Rich Cini [ ClubWin!/CW1 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ <http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/> <================ reply separator =================>

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CP/M for HP 87?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: The Basement <swolfe1(a)mail.gcnet.net> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>; classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:00 AM Subject: Re: CP/M for HP 87? >The 86's and 89's and 92's ( I think the 92 may also have a Z80, though) are Are you saying the TI86 is or is not z80? Some of the web sites I've looked at since posting seem to make a strong point that it is. Allison

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CP/M for HP 87?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote: > Incidentally, the CPU in the Thinkjet printer also seems to be a Saturn. > It's a 48 pin package containing the CPU, I/O ports, some of the ROM > (there's an external ROM and RAM hooked up to it), and an HPIL interface. Even in the non-HP-IL Thinkjets? I really don't know, I've never taken screwdrivers to Thinkjets to compare their internal architectures. -Frank McConnell

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CP/M for HP 87?

by swolfe1＠mail.gcnet.net

The 86's and 89's and 92's ( I think the 92 may also have a Z80, though) are powerd by a cmos version of the Motorolla 68000, the same processor as the 68k Macs. The 82, 83 and 85 are powered by Z80's. HP48g's use a processor called the Saturn that was made for the calc, which I think is far superior to the TI Calcs. The HP48gx has a card slot to upgrade the ram, add functions, printers, etc. It also has an IR port.

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(fwd) Xerox 1186 Give away... (fwd)

by donm＠cts.com

Found the following on usenet. If interested, reply directly, not to me. - don ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Path: thoth.cts.com!mercury.cts.com!nuq-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!news.uar.net!fu-berlin.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail Sender: sdb(a)redhotmomma.ssr.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.xerox Subject: Xerox 1186 Give away... From: Scott Ballantyne <sdb(a)ssr.com> Message-ID: <x4em398d3n.fsf(a)redhotmomma.ssr.com> Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:20:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.4.235.2 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role <abuse(a)intercom.com>, We Care <abuse(a)newsread.com> X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 967486828 199.4.235.2 (Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:20:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:20:28 EDT Organization: Intercom Online (intercom.com) Xref: thoth.cts.com comp.sys.xerox:1687 I have an old 1186, one of the early lisp machines from Xerox, which I have had in a warehouse for too long, awaiting my move to a larger apartment. Well, I live in NYC, and larger apartments still cost more than I'm willing to spend. So the long and the short of it is, if you want this machine, you may have it. The monitor is a greyscale, of the huge, Startrek variety, I have forgotten which release of the OS I have, possibly Koto, quite a few of the original manuals, loads of fonts, contrib disks, etc. It worked well when I warehoused it, and I assume it would still work, modulo reseating some of the chips, and reloading the OS, natch. So if you are in the NYC area, and want it, drop me a note. Best, sdb -- end of forwarded message --

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New Email address

by jpl15＠panix.com

Hello Collecting friends. I am currently on 'inactive' status as far as classic computer collecting goes, so my participation on the List has been mostly in R/O mode. My old (+7 years!) ISP has seen fit to discontinue all it's Unix Shell accounts effective Sept 30 of this year. I have therefore signed up with another old-line ISP, panix.com in New York. Should any of you on the list be considering changing your ISP for any reason, especially if you are primarily a telnet user.. I can highly recomend them. Their customer service has been a) excellent and b) proactive; a state of affairs unheard-of in my years on the Net. Since I am now living and working in Southern India, I have bestowed my collection en masse to a couple of Listmembers and will not be actively pursuing the hobby for a year or two. Getting a full-blown 11/44 system thru checked baggage is one thing, but dealing with Indian customs..... ;) I would like to take this small opportunity to publicly thank each and everyone of you one the List who help to preserve these old beasts, and also I would like to thank Allison, Megan, Tim, Sellam, Bruce, Marvin, Tony Duell, Eric, Don Maslin, Hans Franke, Eliot Moore, and all the rest who took time and effort to help me unravel DEC as it was meant to be. I have unsubbed the netcom account and subscribed at the panix addrr, and I'll continue to monitor the list, although it is doubtful I'll be posting much. I have found one cache of more-than-ten-year-old stuff, mostly Commie and Atari. I'll post more when I have a chance to check it out. Don't get too excited. Buyer pays shipping... Cheers John

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large collection of vintage machines on ebay

by dogas＠leading.net

>Yeah, I'm really digging my 680x stuff. D'oh, that should be equally read: ...still digging into... ;) - Mike

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large collection of vintage machines on ebay

by dogas＠leading.net

From: Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> >Like your still pmpressive pile of SWTPC ? > >:)) > Yeah, I'm really digging my 680x stuff. ;) - Mike

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New Email address

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> John said: > > > My old (+7 years!) ISP has seen fit to discontinue all it's Unix > > Shell accounts effective Sept 30 of this year. I have therefore > > signed up with another old-line ISP, panix.com in New York. > > Excellent choice! While I hope that Panix isn't the last Unix shell > ISP around, I'm very happy with it and I hope that people wanting more > options from their ISP continue to find Panix.com. > > John A. > allain(a)panix.com since 1994 They are dwindling, but not gone; IGLOU.COM (Internet Gateway of LOUisville) has grown from a local to a regional provider, and without shell access I don't know what I'd do... -doug q dougq(a)iglou.com since 1994 (or sooner)

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asgnpart.com

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

Hello, would anyone know where I could find the MS-DOS progam asgnpart.com, which was part of some of the versions 3.x and 4.x, but not of all these versions. None of the versions in my possession have it, unfortunately, and some application I want to run has to have it. Thanks and regards John G. Zabolitzky

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large collection of vintage machines on ebay

by dogas＠leading.net

> >Say, this is Mike Dogas' collection. It's a shame he has to let >everything go like this. It *is* an impressive collection. > Yep, and like everyone else here probably: I worked hard to find them all. And then I worked hard to get some free time to play with it all, and I did, and have been so there isn't much actually lost beyond the kinesthetics and glow. But I still have (many) more computers that will get maybe now more of my attention and I sure can use the money. Thanks for the sympathy, but dont let your posessions become your master. Thanks - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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An alternative to UPS

by Anthony.Eros＠compaq.com

I'll definitely be looking at alternatives in the future. The other shoe in this is that it appears the shipper didn't bother to insure the package, despite my instructions to the contrary. Of course, those instructions were over the phone, not via e-mail, so I'm getting the "you didn't tell me you wanted me to insure it". Gee, now why wouldn't I want it insured? :-( -- Tony > ---------- > From: Bruce Lane[SMTP:kyrrin@bluefeathertech.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 10:02 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: An alternative to UPS > > At 08:25 27-07-2000 -0500, Joe Rigdon wrote: > > >>If it's used (like an old computer) it's "personal > >>effects" and as such any damage or loss claims will be denied. > > > > That's the most rediculous thing that I've ever heard! I hope they > find > >your computer lab. If not, then don't give up. Demand to talk to their > > <snip> > > Absolutely don't give up! UPS is easily the most snooty company I've > ever > dealt with on insurance claims. A colleague of mine back east had to > hassle > them for months before they finally paid up on a claim. > > Also, you may want to look at an alternative. I don't know if they > do > ground to Canada yet, but I've had outstanding service from FedEx Ground > (formerly RPS). Nothing I've shipped so far has been lost, or damaged in > the slightest degree, and their customer service is excellent. > > Perhaps the capper is that I've found they're actually less > expensive than > UPS. I've had a shipper account with them for months now. If I drop all my > outgoing at their depot, they don't even charge me a monthly fee. > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies > http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com > Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 > "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our > own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..." >

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CP/M for HP 87?

by ss＠allegro.com

Hi, I'm looking for CP/M software for an HP 87 with an HP 82900A CP/M cartridge! Any pointers/help appreciatd! thanks, Stan Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

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Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > What I/O port? The games port? There was rumoured to be a bit-banging > routine to output serial data on one of the outputs there. But I never > heard of it being in a PROM. I don't know where my friend got it, but we rigged up a bit-banging-serial- port between the joystick port of an Apple II and the User Port of a C-64 to transfer the data portion of an Infocom game from an Apple disk to a C-64 disk (it all worked once we figured out the sector mapping). > The bit-banging serial port is a pretty simple device. Single-bit in and > out buffered to RS232 and current loop levels. And a program to shift > data in and out in software. We didn't even have level shifters - TTL on both sides, but RS-232 _is_ the more typical use. > Believe me, after you've tried to use this card seriously you (a) wish > for a real serial card with a 6850 or 6551 on it and (b) want to do > unprintable things to the designers... The C-64 comes with 1200-baud bit-banging in ROM. That's why we did it that way. UARTS are much nicer (having later aquired a Super Serial Card), but not all micros had them. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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CP/M for HP 87?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

on the subject of TI calcs... OT too! I see TI86s and 83s are around. Are any of these Z80 powered? Allison

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Intel PT reader

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: >> I recently picked up a nice Intel paper tape reader (model Intellec >> 8-90?) to go with my Intellec MDS system. The only problem is that the >> light pipe in it is broken. However both parts are still there. Does >> anyone have any suggestions about how to fix the pipe or where I can get >> another one? I'd check the plastic to see if it's suitable for solvent weld. Epoxies tend to build an optical discontinuitys as they are very different form the actual plastic. Allison

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Intel iPDS-100 boot disk/docs?

by dogas＠leading.net

I have an Intel PPDS-100. Sounds the same. No docs or software but it will boot from bubble memory to Isis ver 1.0. There is also a pod slot on the side and holder accessable from the top. I have the EMV-51A poddy thing. I'd like some software for it too Cheers - Mike -----Original Message----- From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> To: Classic Computers Mailing List <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, August 26, 2000 2:59 AM Subject: Intel iPDS-100 boot disk/docs? > >Does anyone have the boot disk and/or docs for the Intel iPDS-100? It's a >portable (like the Osborn) circa 1982, 8085-based (it actually has three >8085's inside). > >Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Looking for a six in a pile of nines... > > VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 > San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California > See http://www.vintage.org for details! >

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Intel PT reader

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I recently picked up a nice Intel paper tape reader (model Intellec 8-90?) to go with my Intellec MDS system. The only problem is that the light pipe in it is broken. However both parts are still there. Does anyone have any suggestions about how to fix the pipe or where I can get another one? Joe

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looking for teletype KSR-43 ribbons

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

No, but if you describe them and tell us what else that they fit then we might be able to find some. Joe At 07:27 PM 8/24/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Does anyone have a stash of these? > >-- >Aaron Nabil > >

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Mac Portable SadMac

by celt＠chisp.net

I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction with this one... I recently picked up this beast at a local yard sale. The owner said it had been sitting in his attic for the past seven or eight years; when I powered it on, all I could get was the blinking question mark in a disk graphic, indicating that the machine couldn't find an operating system (I believe). After a few hours of net-research, I learned that the internal battery needed to be charged up before the hard drive (Conner 40M drive) would spin up. So, after charging for several hours, I tried again, only to be greeted almost immediately with the 'Sad Mac' icon and the following code below it: 0010 1B10 0000 1FFA A visit to Apple's Tech Info Library turned up an article on the codes (number 7748 for those interested), but was clearly meant as a general overview rather than to address specific failures. Once the internal battery charged, I could hear the whine of the Connor spinning up, but that's as far as it gets. /mpm

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Current VCF 4.0 Speaker Line-up

by vcf＠siconic.com

The speakers currently lined up for VCF 4.0 are: Bill Godbout (S-100 Legend) Jim Warren (Found of the West Coast Computer Faire) Larry Tesler (Xerox PARC and Apple Computer Demigod) Paul Freiberger & Michael Swaine (authors of _Fire in the Valley_) Christine Finn (Computer Archaeologist) Curt Vendel (Atari Historical Society Founder) Jim Willing (Official VCF Celebrity!) Dwight Elvey (Reviver of the Nicolet-1080) Additional speakers will be announced in the coming weeks before the event! Brief bios of each speaker can be found at: http://www.vintage.org/2000/speakers.html Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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VCF Message Board!

by vcf＠siconic.com

Who was it that started the "Want list for VCF" thread? I forget. At any rate, thanks for sparking the idea to finally create a VCF message board. The VCF Message Board is now up at: http://www.vintage.org/2000/messages.html Post your buy/sell/trade or want lists for VCF 4.0 there. You can also use it to make shared travel arrangements, see who else is coming and what they're bringing, etc. Use it and abuse it. It's not very rich, but it's functional. If you find any bugs, or have any suggestions for improving it, please e-mail me. I will continue to develop the message board over time to make it easier to navigate messages, as well as provide multiple discussion areas. Before you suggest using <insert some webtool for doing messaging here> please know that I prefer to host all my services myself, as well as program them, mostly for the experience of programming this stuff (it's done with very straight-forward Perl scripts on the back end). Enjoy! Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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driver-request (fwd)

by vcf＠siconic.com

Can anyone help this guy? Reply-to: blingvall(a)swipnet.se ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:16:00 +0200 From: "[iso-8859-1] Björn Lingvall" <blingvall(a)swipnet.se> To: vcf(a)vintage.org Subject: driver-request Hi! I´ve have an old Fujitsu matrix-printer model M3349B, but I can´t find any driver. My question is, do you know anyone who`ve got drivers for that printer? I would be very happy. blingvall(a)swipnet.se Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > The P500 has a real serial port (6551, RS232 level shifters, DB25 > connector), but few other CBM machines do :-( I've got a PET internal serial port... it sits in a ROM socket with some clip leads to pick up missing signals (Phi/2 and R/W, I expect) Got it in a box and have never had the opportunity to use it (no, it's not for sale/trade) -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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springfield hamfest goodies . . . and more

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Gary Hildebrand <ghldbrd(a)ccp.com> wrote: > Hello, > > Finally found a good Commodore 128 for yours truly there. Is there in our > midst a person who might have the cp/m boot disk for one? Or point me in > the right direction? I have an original C-128 CP/M boot disk in a box somewhere. How would I go about making an image with it? I've never had a working C-128, nor have I ever run CP/M from a Commodore (Kaypros, mostly), so I don't know what the low-level format of the disk is. If it's a standard format, something like 22DISK should be able to digest it, yes? Is there already a copy of this on funet? -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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Any info on a Pro-Log Corp. M822 8080 Analyzer?

by r.stek＠snet.net

I picked up one of these in apparently decent condition - needs a few new switches whose handles got broken off. At the end of a cable is a spring loaded clip which attaches to an in-circuit 8080 (as in my beloved Sol <g>). It appears that you can read the status, data, etc. and even single-step through programs. But without a manual I am not sure. Jim Willing has one on his website, but email to him has gone unanswered for the past few days. Anyone out there have a manual (or really good recall)? Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

bit banging was most common to the 6502 world, most of the other systems used real UART/USARTs. I think it was the idea of software was cheaper than hardware. Most of the bit bashers seems to live on the low end of the performance spectrum for their time. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, August 24, 2000 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Original Apple II (not + or e or other) >> > Believe me, after you've tried to use this card seriously you (a) wish >> > for a real serial card with a 6850 or 6551 on it and (b) want to do >> > unprintable things to the designers... >> >> The C-64 comes with 1200-baud bit-banging in ROM. That's why we did it >> that way. UARTS are much nicer (having later aquired a Super Serial Card), >> but not all micros had them. > >I always found that one of the dumbest ideas Commodore came up with >(emulating the 6551 in software). It's not like it couldn't have been >built into the computer; the Plus/4 has a real live 6551 driving its >user port and it does fabulously well. > >-- >----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- > Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu >-- Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -- G. Marx -

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TRS-80 Model 2000

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Picked this up for $10. No monitor or keyboard. 2 Floppies. No cracks or > scratches but "yellowed" case. Very little info on net about this one. > Seems that was one of the rare computers to use an actual 80186 chip. At the time this came out, Microsoft was flying ads in magazines showing a Windows alpha (i.e. pre-1.0) on Tandy 2000s, and I was in the market for a system to replace the Sol, and the CP/M-based systems looked like their days were numbered. <short digression> But one day, I was on my way to buy tickets at the local Ticketron for some concert, and the Ticketron was was in a local department store (Lazarus? No, L.S. Ayres, I think), and that store also had a computer department. While walking by, I saw a Macintosh. The shirts who were selling them were talking to each other and ignoring me, so I spent some time drawing in MacPaint, ending up painting a picture that as best as I could reproduce from memory was "There's a hole in the bottom of the sea, there's a hole in the bottom of the sea". Anyway, it came down to decision time, and I decided that the Tandy 2000 was too geeky, and too much like the CP/M systems at work. I was sure I would bring work home with me, while if I bought the Mac, I'd have a computer to use for the things *normal* people use them for. Anyway, I too, just acquired a Tandy 2000, from a co-worker who used it in his architectural firm years ago. It didn't look like it had yellowed, he must have kept it out of the sun. It has a 10MB hard drive in a thematically-same-styled case, connected by a ribbon cable. Since he didn't deliver it to me with the original software (DOS & BASIC), I was happy to pick these up cheap on E-Bay the other day. haven't fired it up yet, and in factm it may go into storage for a while before I do so. But I recall liking the specs, the graphics resolution was higher than most PC-alikes at the time (IIRC). regards, -doug quebbeman

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LAST CALL! PDP 11/23 & Drives

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

To repeat my previous message: I just got a call from a gentleman I spoke to some time back who works at a public television station. They have two PDP 11/23 CPU cards in chassis, plus a full set of peripheral cards (not sure of details), and two RL02 drives, probably with several disk packs. This is basically one operational system plus a spare CPU and chassis. They would like to get them out of there sometime this week. If you're interested, let me know and I'll get you in touch with the right person. --- Located in South Dakota, 2 or 3 hours drive from me, I believe. These are probably going to hit the dumpster unless someone rescues them. I'm not into PDP stuff, but will do what I can to help if someone wants these items. Act now - time is running out! Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com Home of Fun with Molten Metal, technological oddities, and the original COSMAC Elf computer simulator!

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Possible major rescue in the works...

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

Whoops! Premature ejection there... It's not a PDP-10 or a PDP-6 or anything that cool, but some of you may remember my mentioning a while back of some DEC equipment at a local Lucent facility. I just got the word that they turned it off last week. I'm in contact with a responsible party and he is talking with his boss about if and how it's possible to keep them from exiting wheels up, bound for a metals reclamation facility in Canton, OH. We are talking about 6+ DEC racks, two or three PDP-11/44s, two or three TC-11 controllers and between three and five TU-56 drives. Unless the media police get there first, there are also several cabinet drawers full of tapes. Fortunately, my boss at work (who is younger than much of my collection) thinks this stuff is cool and is willing to help muscle it around. He'd love to get a machine up against our glass wall at the data center, just to watch the DECtape spin! More news as the saga unfolds. Honestly, though, I'm not confident there's a way to navigate the bureaucracy at this place. I worked there for three years and unless people are personally vested in something, they point to published procedures and sit on their hands. It's a 35-year-old factory environment with lots of the original folks still there. Flexible thinking is not rewarded. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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Possible major rescue in the works...

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Gary Hildebrand <ghldbrd(a)ccp.com> wrote: > Hello Bill > > On 23-Aug-00, you wrote: > > > To repeat my previous message: > > > > I just got a call from a gentleman I spoke to some time back who works > > at a public television station. They have two PDP 11/23 CPU cards in > > chassis, plus a full set of peripheral cards (not sure of details), > > and two RL02 drives, probably with several disk packs. This is > > basically one operational system plus a spare CPU and chassis. They > > would like to get them out of there sometime this week. If you're > > interested, let me know and I'll get you in touch with the right > > person. > > > > --- > > > > Located in South Dakota, 2 or 3 hours drive from me, I believe. These > > are probably going to hit the dumpster unless someone rescues them. > > I'm not into PDP stuff, but will do what I can to help if someone > > wants these items. Act now - time is running out! > > > > > > Bill Richman > > I know exactly what you are talking about -- 'cuz I used to work there. > > Vermillion, South Dakota, about 35 miles from Sioux City, IA. > > Regards > -- > Gary Hildebrand > Box 6184 > St. Joseph, MO 64506-0184 > > 816-662-2612 > or > > ghldbrd(a)ccp.com > ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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LAST CALL! PDP 11/23 & Drives

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

> To repeat my previous message: > > ...two PDP 11/23 CPU cards in chassis, plus a full set of > peripheral cards...and two RL02 drives... > Located in South Dakota, 2 or 3 hours drive from me, I believe. These > are probably going to hit the dumpster unless someone rescues them. > I'm not into PDP stuff, but will do what I can to help if someone > wants these items. Act now - time is running out! I _do_ collect PDP stuff, but I'm in Ohio and not likely to be able to pick up any sort of equipment that far away. I wouldn't mind saving it, but for stuff I already have multiples of, I can't justify a multi-state rescue. I hope _someone_ in your area wants them. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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Brain Surgeon

by terryf＠intersurf.com

You guys will get a kick outta this one. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=416103748 The counters really accent the post. 8-) Terry

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DEC AUI Questionr

by dburrows＠netpath.net

Yes I use them all the time. Dan > >Um... I have a vaxstation 3100 in need of a 10baseT transciever. I CAN just >use an ordinary aui-10bT transciever, right? > >-- >Jim Strickland >jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > BeOS Powered! >-----------------------------------------------------------------------

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A reason to hit ARC, etc.

by Anthony.Eros＠compaq.com

Betraying my ignorance, but what's an ARC? -- Tony > ---------- > From: Will Jennings[SMTP:xds_sigma7@hotmail.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 2:46 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: A reason to hit ARC, etc. > > At one ARC in Colorado Springs (prices in dollars in parenthesis): > VAXstation 2000 (6) > the TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 front end programs for the '11 in the system (3) > An HP-150 (which I am kicking myself for not buying even though it was a > year ago! 6) > > Will J > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Sellam, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:27:52 -0700 (PDT) >From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> >Subject: Re: Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open > >On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, Bill Bradford wrote: > >> Actually it does sell quite a bit of items, but they keep select stuff >> as part of their vintage-items museum. > >Yeah, and that select stuff could probably be selling for a goodly sum of >money that will go towards their primary mission of helping people get >back on their feet. > >Someone should write to Goodwill corporate and let them know this is going >on. I'm sure it's not in their charter and I would guess they would not >approve of valuable stock being retained for the enjoyment of a couple >employees. > >Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger Disclaimer: I live in Texas, was born in Austin, and probably have some local-boy bias floating around here somewhere. I agree with you in some ways. I certainly agree in that I'm very jealous of those guys (GWCW museum). They have positioned themselves squarely astride of the biggest, fastest-flowing stream of castaway (free) antique computers in the state. Add to this the fact that they have the cachet of a charitable organization to motivate donors (whereas I'm just a grubby individual collector) and I turn green with envy. Now let's consider what it is they are actually doing. Like it or not, they are already astride that stream of computers, because they are successful at their mission. Thank goodness they have the sense and foresight and resources to preserve the classics mixed into that stream (particularly the very interesting ones, like the Lisas and Crays) rather than scrapping them as so many other computer dealers, etc. do. Furthermore, they are doing with their preserved machines exactly what I'd do if I had the resources. They are building a very comprehensive collection, and putting it on display for everyone to enjoy. Admittedly the choice of "do not touch" signs is a bit off-putting, but honestly if my collection were on shelves with hundreds of people walking by every hour, I'd have it behind glass. I love the idea of teaching somebody to use my Rainbow, but *only* if I can spend the time to teach them to turn on *both* of the kludged power switches (two SPST replacing a single DPST) at the *same time*, always put the lower floppy into the RX-50 *upside down*, etc. A working, hands-on museum is of course the ideal but in a situation where the guest-to-curator ratio is above about 5, it entails a very high risk of damage to the collection. I'd also like to point out, from a more selfish point of view, that there are no more than one of any specific machine type (that I know about, anyway) in their collection. That means all the duplicates they get do hit their classic-computer shelves and are available to us (me). Again, that's at least as reasonable as I'd be myself and much better than most organizations do. (Actually I'd be inclined to keep spares myself, but then I don't have as good a supply channel as they do.) The one complaint that you have with which I really can't argue is that it's not obviously part of their company charter. However, I'd make the reply that so it isn't, but that just means their charter is inadequate. What they are doing benefits society, in that it is developing and making available a great display of the history of computing. (This is the right group to claim that's a worthy goal, right?) They also make that collection visible to anyone, even folks of very limited means, and that's something that no other organization in the state (region?) is doing. Comparing these benefits to the relatively miniscule finacial benefit they'd get by, how do we say, "whoring the collection on eBay", I find it very attractive to hope they will persist and increase their collection. I therefore hope that no-one complains to Goodwill Corporate about it. I also should point out that it *is* effective advertising, and benefits their chartered mission as such. I've not had a chance to visit their store myself - but I will next time I'm in Austin. - Mark

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated Wed, 23 Aug 2000 1:12:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Lawrence Walker" <lgwalker(a)look.ca> writes: << > >The machine being described does NOT sound like a PS/1! > >It sounds like a PCJr. > > PCjr was 8088, early 80s and was very funky compared to the PS/2 > and later PS/1s. > > >Did the PS/1 have a 5.25" drive (other than external)? > > No external, it was internal. > > >Did the PS/1 have a "power cube"? > > No, internal PS. > > >Did the PS/1 have a chiclets keyboard? > > Nope, standard external PS2 (smaller din connector) > > >Did the PS/1 have joysticks? > > No, it was aimed at business users. > > Allison > > > >The PS/1 came after the PS/2, and may or may not be OT. Some thought > that > >it was IBM backing down from MCA. The PS/1 was definitely aimed at the consumer market. :My :2133-e11 has both 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 internal FDDs, a com :port, and a :riser with provisions for 3 add-in cards, one of which :was an :internal modem to use the Prodigy hookup in the shell :interface. :Some of the earlier ones had a modem on the motherboard :like the Kaypro did. Of course one could use joysticks :with :a Sound-Blaster card. It also came with a HD and 2x :72-pin :SIMM slots : The PS/2s continued long after the PS/1 was phased out :for :the Value-Point and later the Ambra which were also :aimed :at the lower priced consumer market. both the PS/1 and PS/2 series ended around 1994. the valuepoint was a more standard ISA bus machine announced in 1992-1993 and was designed for the corporate market like the PS/2. The valuepoints then gave way to the PC300 and PC700 series desktops of a few years ago.

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TRS-80 Model 2000

by claudew＠funcow.com

Hi 1st time post. Picked this up for $10. No monitor or keyboard. 2 Floppies. No cracks or scratches but "yellowed" case. Very little info on net about this one. Seems that was one of the rare computers to use an actual 80186 chip. Seems to "wake up" fine after nice cleaning and checking all connectors... Tried to boot from some 360k flopies with 2.11 DOS on it. No luck. Drives look alive but don't seek for long and stop. Suspect this needs some sort of special DOS or disk format...??? DIN type connector for monitor. Anybody know the pinout or specs? What about the keyboard? Most TRS-80 don't even mention this model 2000...Anybody wanna speculate on how rare this is? Started collecting/restoring a few months back. 35, college degree in electronics, worked all my life in electronics and computers. Had access to several college systems when I was young as 14 - neighboor was university teacher and gave me access to a bunch of systems like PLATO (CDC) and several others at local university... Claude

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Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

How can you tell about the original ROMs and 13 sector disk? Francois > >While thousands of them were produced, in my experience they are very >uncommon in the wild and not easy to come by. > >I'd say an original one with original ROMs (Integer BASIC, etc), and >original motherboard, is worth about $100. > >A little more if it comes with the original Apple ][ Reference manual (the >Red book) and the BASIC programming manual (the Blue book). > >If it has a 13-sector disk controller, a little more. > >Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Looking for a six in a pile of nines... > > VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 > San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California > See http://www.vintage.org for details! > >

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, August 21, 2000 1:14 PM Subject: RE: Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - * >The machine being described does NOT sound like a PS/1! >It sounds like a PCJr. PCjr was 8088, early 80s and was very funky compared to the PS/2 and later PS/1s. >Did the PS/1 have a 5.25" drive (other than external)? No external, it was internal. >Did the PS/1 have a "power cube"? No, internal PS. >Did the PS/1 have a chiclets keyboard? Nope, standard external PS2 (smaller din connector) >Did the PS/1 have joysticks? No, it was aimed at business users. Allison > >The PS/1 came after the PS/2, and may or may not be OT. Some thought that >it was IBM backing down from MCA. > > >Anybody in the SF bay area who would like some PCJrs? PS/2s? Don't make >me bring a big pile of stuff to VCF! > >-- >Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com >

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Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"FBA" <fauradon(a)mn.mediaone.net> wrote: > How can you tell about the original ROMs and 13 sector disk? Integer BASIC leaves the D0 and D8 ROM sockets empty; Applesoft BASIC fills all the ROM sockets. In Integer BASIC systems, D0 may be filled with the Programmer's Aid #1 ROM. The difference between 13-sector and 16-sector Disk ][ controllers is the two ROMs on the card -- I believe the 13-sector ROMs are called "P5" and "P6" while the 16-sector ROMs are called "P5A" and "P6A". I can't remember whether the ICs are stamped with this however. -Frank McConnell

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Lethal computers? (was: Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> Just how frequent ARE fatalities from computers? > >Very, Very rare. Injuries are rare as well (especially if the case isn't >open). I think we can discount RSI-type problems for a machine that will >only be used for a few minutes at a time. While they are rare they are not unheard of. The most common is small cuts from unborken metal edges, doors closing on parts of anatomy due to gravity, next is gears and wheels that grab or cut. Some systems that have hgh power (voltage or current) have caused burns. Of course there is the ever present screwdriver slipped and hand caught it. Allison

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Signetics "Instructor-50" docs (2650) available in Sunnyvale, CA

by frustum＠pacbell.net

While I was at Weirdstuff Warehouse in Sunnyvale, CA, this afternoon, I noticed that they had two boxes full of these docs: "Introduction to The Instructor 50 (tm) Desktop Computer" and "The Instructor 50 (tm) Desktop Computer Users' Guide" both are copyright 1978. The first is, oh, about 100 pages long, and the second is 200 pages. They were intended to be sold with the Signetics Instructor 50 computer, which uses a 2650 processor. Weirdstuff wants $1 apiece. Here is a link to a picture of one: http://www.zianet.com/kromeke/pastcomp/misc/signetic.htm They go through some rudiments of computers, some particulars of the 2650, some example programs, and then the usual description of all the opcodes. Hey, it even has an S-100 expansion capability. Schematics included. Anyway, if you are in the area and are interested, check it out. There are at least 20 of each, all completely unused (although a bit yellowed). I'll try to describe where -- it is in the back section, pretty much as far away from the entrance to the rear section as you can get. It is on a bottom shelf along the rear aisle. If you don't live in the area but are really interested, I'll consider filling a limited number of requests. (eg, you have an instructor 50, or you have a 2650-based computer but don't have any idea about its instruction set). I'd rather not find, address, stuff, and mail 20 packages for a bunch of tire kickers. ;-) ----- Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net

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Items for Trade

by jimoaks＠one.net

Hello all, im looking to trade alot of my classic stuff. Im looking for Amiga and Atari ST Items, Here is what I have. Please email me at jimoaks(a)one.net if interested. Trade List MAC: Mac Performa 630CD w mouse/keyboard Stylewriter 2 15" Multiscan Monitor Quadra 660AV Video not working. TANDY TRS-80 COCO 3 Working 14" Monitor 4 cartridges OFFTOPIC- Act Labs Force RS SEGA: Saturn Sega Saturn- Works- Controllers work in menus, but not in games. Saturn- NHL97 Boxed Saturn- FIFA 98 Boxed Saturn- Daytona USA Loose 2 Controllers RF Unit Genesis Sega Nomad- Works Great hardly used RF Unit 1 Sega Controllers Mortal Kombat NHL 98 NBA Live 96 NBA Jam Tony Larussa Madden 94 NHL 94 Buck Rogers:CountDown to Doomsday All Boxed, except Buck Rogers GAME GEAR: Game Gear Unit AC Adapter Sonic 2 NHL Allstar Hockey Both games Boxed NINTENDO: SNES: Snes Unit- Works Great 1 controllers 1 rf unit Wing Commander MLBPA 94 Super Empire Strikes Back NES: 1 Loose NES Unit- Works at times 2 Boxed NES Units- Both work, have all connections 4 controllers 1 light gun Baseball Sim 1.000 Destination EarthStar Dragon Warrior Home Alone IronSword-WW2 Nightmare on Elm RadRacer Skate or Die Super Mario 2 SuperMario/Duck Hunt Tecmo Baseball Teenage Mutant Turtles Top Gun Winter Games All not Boxed ATARI 5200: 5200 Unit Power supply Tv Unit Controller Unit Boxed works great, looks like rarely been played Pole Position Loose 2600/7800 Six Switch 2600 Atari 7800 Atari Controller 4 Switch 2600 Atari Controllers Atarti Paddle BOXED-7800 Centipede BOXED-7800 ROBOTRON BOXED-Realsports Baseball Asteroids Baseball Berzerk Bowling BOXED-Pitfall Breakout China Syndrome Circus Atari Combat Defender Demons to Diamonds Dolphin Donkey Kong Dragonfire Dragster Empire Strikes Back Enduro Flash Gordon Football Gangster Alley Golf Gorf Grand Prix Indy 500 International Soccer Jungle Hunt Kangaroo Laser Blast Maze Craze MegaMania Missle Command Moon Patrol Night Driver Omega Race Pac Man Pele's Soccor Pitfall Planet Patrol Pole Position Pong Sports Private Eye Q-Bert Raiders of the Lost Ark RealSports Baseball RealSports Football RealSports Volleyball Riddle of the Sphinx River Raid Slot Racers Solaris Space Invaders Space Shuttle Speedway 2 Star Raiders Star Voyager Strawberry Shortcake Street Racer Summer Games-PAL Super Breakout Surround TAZ Tennis Turmoil Video Checkers Video Olympics Video Pinball WarLords Yars Revenge INTELLIVISION: Space Battle Space Hawk Astromash All Boxed ODYSSEY: Las Vegas Black Jack Football Alien Invaders-Plus All Boxed http://www.classicmag.net Preserving the Past for the Future

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Apple II FAQ

by paulrsm＠ameritech.net

For those having Apple II computers and little or no documentation: The Csa2 (comp.sys.apple2) Usenet newsgroup Apple II FAQs originate from the Ground Apple II archive, 1997-2000. Ground Apple II Administrator: Steve Nelson ftp://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/Faqs/ http://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/Faqs/ The Csa2 FAQs may be freely distributed. Two mirrors are: http://home.swbell.net/rubywand/A2FAQs1START.html http://www.grin.net/~cturley/A2.FAQs.and.INFO/CSA2.FAQs/Csa21MAIN1.txt

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pdp 8/e M8655 serial card

by djg＠drs-esg.com

>The main console should be devices 03 and 04, if i recall correctly >from 25 years ago... Yup >Does anyone have this information in a text file, or a better quality scan >of the printset? http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/hard8e/kl8ja.html If people have problems with the scans on my site, email me. Most of them (this one included) are due to the quality of the original but I may have scan problems with some. If anybody has a better copy they can scan or can send me a copy I will put it on my site. David Gesswein http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Old computers with blinkenlights

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A reason to hit ARC, etc.

by PasserM＠umkc.edu

I thought ARC was that compression format that descended to obscurity after SEA sued Phil Katz (g,d & r). -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Will Jennings Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 3:36 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: A reason to hit ARC, etc. Its umm American Retarded Citizens or something like that...

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Lethal computers? (was: Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Yes, but most of those will only occur if you're working inside the >machine. I've seen plenty of sharp edges on metal brackets _inside_ >computers (particularly cheap PCs), but none on the outside of the case >when it's assembled fully. Moving parts are similarly enclosed (and are >not really an issue for most micros anyway). All high voltage/current >connections are enclosed. And you don't need a screwdriver to _use_ a >computer. Ok... cases in point... DEC LP27 gas springs for the cover fail... score one scalp line cut for both FS AND Customer. LP25, charaband hand stopped, fingers enter anyway... customer. Oh, reason for opening, needed new ribbon. Rack full of RLO2s, customer pulls one out after pushing in the anti-tip foot... first one slides out, then two... Customer pinned against wall. FS checking out what happend and why repeats event! Customer leans against BA32 with MVII, said unit tips, customer employee nets broken toe. Shall I continue? iIt does happen even if only a few times a year. When it come to anything harder or larger than dust someone will find a way to hurt themselves with it. Or the corollary, foolproof, isn't! Only fools believe it. Allison

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