- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 03:47 PM 8/30/00 -0400, r. 'bear' stricklin wrote: >I can't speak to that, but I have it on very good faith that a Hostess >snack cake does not get baked. In fact, it never comes close to an >oven; the cakes are "catalyzed". A fun summer course I had in college dealt with various aspects of agriculture and production of food: I learned how they make the meat for McNugget-like products (cook the poultry, blow/smash it hard against a screen to remove the meat) and things like the pimientos in olives (grind actual peppers into paste, add gel, pour into sheet, then slice 'n insert) or the hardboiled eggs in the salad bar (separate eggs into whites and yolks, cook in special machine that makes a "tube egg" a yard long, slice), etc. - John

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HP 82059D 110v to 6v AC power adapter ?

by kla＠helios.augustana.edu

Following my earlier post requesting more information on the HP 110+ Portable Plus MS-DOS computer (model 45711E), I am on the possible lookout for an HP power supply, Model no. 82059D which would have supplied 6V to this Portable Plus computer from the 110v US mains. Apparently this same power adapter worked with other HP parts, so may exist more commonly. Anyone have a working one to part with? My apologies also for saying that Mike Simms' FAQ on the 1xx series of HP portables did not provide the information needed -- indeed it did. I just did not read close enough. Sorry, Mike! thanks for any help. Cheers, Kevin Anderson Bismarck, North Dakota, USA home: K9IUA(a)juno.com (alternate: kla(a)helios.augustana.edu)

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power supply for HP 110 Portable Plus ?

by kla＠helios.augustana.edu

My son was given an HP Portable Plus (Model 110 I believe). It looks good, complete with Word and Lotus in the software "drawer". Unfortunately it lacks the external power supply/ recharger, so I don't know if it works. Can anyone tell me what power supply I need and/or the power requirements? The HP150faq does not give those types of specifics that I can see. Thanks. Kevin Anderson formerly of Augustana College, Rock Island IL now in Bismarck, ND home: K9IUA(a)juno.com (alternate kla(a)helios.augustana.edu)

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Need help on old parts??

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, "R. D. Davis" <rdd(a)smart.net> wrote: > On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Tony Duell wrote: > > Oh come on!. There are places for programmable logic, but this sure isn't > > one of them. > > Yes, that's what I think as well. > > > One of the rules that I work to when repairing a classic computer is to > > replace as little as possible (==keep as much of the original stuff as > > possible). So you repair a PCB rather than replacing it. You replace only > > the faulty component, not great blocks of logic. Why replace stuff that's > > working properly? > > In addition, those PALs/GALs will most likely fail before the rest of > the other older components would have failed. It makes no sense to > replace that which is working properly... In other words: "IF it ain't broke, don't fix it!" Mike

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HP 7878A tape drive available in Sacramento, CA

by ss＠allegro.com

Hi, There's an HP 7978A tape drive (HP-IB, 6250 BPI) available for free (I think), for pickup in Sacramento, CA. The drive is currently in-use, working (AFAIK). This is a 5' high cabinet, about 3' deep, 2.5' wide. Email me if you're interested. Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

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IBM Monitor

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Pointer to powerdisplay20 specifications http://www.hms.labinf.it/pagine/ibm/pagine/periph/pd20.htm Discontinued 9/12/1995

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Rescue opportunity

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Hey, folks, I may have an opportunity to pick up a "DataPoint" system... the one with the CPU in one module, storage in another, and they all sit on the floor (or table -- they're small!) and stack together side-by-side, joined with bus connectors on said sides? Each module is powered by an external 36VDC switcher module that runs from standard house power. I do like what I collect to be useful in some way, so I'd like to know what OS's I could use with the system, and if there are any 'gotchas' where hardware is concerned. Thanks! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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How to contact Rich

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Jerome: Here's my e-mail address: mailto:rcini@msn.com Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: Jerome Fine [mailto:jhfine@idirect.com] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 10:34 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: How to contact Rich I noticed this reference, but it did not include a contact address. http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/pdpdocs.htm I think I remember seeing Rich on this list, but I am not sure. Does anyone have an e-mail address? Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine

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How to contact Rich

by jhfine＠idirect.com

I noticed this reference, but it did not include a contact address. http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/pdpdocs.htm I think I remember seeing Rich on this list, but I am not sure. Does anyone have an e-mail address? Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine

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Pied Piper by STM Electronics Corp - the review in brief

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Pied Piper Communicator 1 Specs: (eep - it cost ukp1000 in 1984!) Processor: Z80A RAM: 64K plus 2K screen memory ROM: 2K bootstrap, 2K character generator Text screen: 80x40 or 40x24 Graphics: none Keyboard: 64 moving keys, full size Interfaces: STO bus and Centronics Storage: 820K 5 1/4" disk OS: CP/M It also came with 3 packages, Perfect Filer (database), Perfect Writer (guess) and Perfect Calc (guess), although the reviewer is most critical of them! He also whinges about the 80 column screen mode that he can't get working and also that while CP/M 2.2 is the OS for the machine and there's bundles of software available he appears to be wishing it came with its own OS to make it stand out! Odd. I can scan the article if anyone needs more info, but TBH the review wasn't written by a technical journalist, eg he doesn't go into any detail as to what the STO bus is....I think the tech specs came straight from Canada and the pre-release model he had didn't include such things. He DID however, mention the possibility of an external floppy, hard drive, RS232 port and modem. a a

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Pied Piper by STM Electronics Corp

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

No problem - I've got to get up to my house today to get my bin back in before some lowlife nicks it ('steals it' for non-brits :) I know exactly where the mag is so I'll get something typed up or scanned later on. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Gregory [mailto:gregorym@cadvision.com] > Sent: 06 September 2000 17:20 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Pied Piper by STM Electronics Corp > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrian Graham" <agraham(a)ccat.co.uk> > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 4:53 AM > Subject: RE: Pied Piper by STM Electronics Corp > > > > If nobody else can come up with anything I've got a copy of Personal > > Computer News at home which ran an article on the Pied > Piper when it was > > released so I'll be able to give you the full rundown. > > > > a > > > > I'd appreciate you posting whatever you can find - I have a > Pied Piper too, > but no info at all. Not even a boot disk (Oh Hans ... ) > > Mark. >

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2nd life/info for IBM RS6000 type 7012?

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On 9/7 Philip.Belben(a)pgen.com wrote: > One thing to beware, at least on our 7012 machines, is that if you want to add a > keyboard, you need a special one. PC keyboard doesn't work (no need to guess > how I found that out a couple of office moves ago...). The keyboard is a Model M. The part number listed on it is either 13G4540 or 1394540. I could not distinguish the 'g' from a '9' on the label, although I suspect it is a 'G'. > Display is 1280*1024, > can't remember the scanning rates, on 3 BNCs, sync on green. An IBM 6019 is > recommended :-) Philip, I think you mean 6091, sometimes known as the 6091-19. I have a 5081-16 on my 320H and what documentation I have lists both monitors. Specs for the 6091 are: H Frequency : 63.36/81.32 KHz V Frequency : 60/67/77 Hz Resolution: 1024x1024 & 1280x1024 That brings me to an earlier posting I made: : Does anybody have the specs for an IBM POWERdisplay 20, p/n 09G3821? I am curious to know, if the 5081 goes south, if the POWERdisplay 20 will serve as a replacement. > Mouse is a standard PS/2 mouse - plugged it into my PC and it > the setup said it had detected a Logitech mouse... The part number for the mouse is 11F8895 Mike

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SOL floppy subsystem options

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Robert Stek <r.stek(a)snet.net> >lesser known makes. The 10 hole hard sectored disks were not that difficult >to get (you can still buy them at California Digital - www.cadigital.com I >think). NorthStar was one of the first, if not THE first on the market with >a 5.25" system, and at $699 list with controller, they were $300 cheaper >than an 8" drive. A LOT of IMSAI owners also went with N*'s. For 8" drives Commentary and minor history items. What truely made the NS* popular was not only was there a drive and controller for $699 it included a DOS, Monitor and BASIC and in 1977 Billy G was getting 350$ for casette basic and 500$ for disk basic!! NS* filled two aching niches, lack of reliable inexpensive storage and a decent OS with a useful language. FYI: NS* Basic was one of the few that would support multiling functions and even recusive subroutine calls. While it had it's flaws at the DOS level (lacking in dynamic disk space allocation) it made up for in memory efficientcy, reliability, speed and ease of programming. There were better and more sophisticated products they all came for a bigger price. >finicky, and CP/M became the universal standard. Someone eventually did >adapt CP/M to run on the Helios, but by that time PT had disappeared. CP/M was adapted to everything! I wonder if by 1980 everything was adapting to CP/M. >And yes, N* DOS has four entry points - These are the basic bare bone NS* drivers for Horizon (8251 USART). The drivers shown do not use the device selection capability in NS* DOS, up to 7 devices could exist and the device was passed in ACC at call. Here the rough code. Loc 02 in this case is data buffer Loc 03 is the status port Bit 0 is tx buffer empty Bit 1 is RX buffer full Character-IN, test for and get a character from the input device. 2013h JMP CIN ; CIN ; CONSOLE IN RETURN CHAR IN Acc ; CIN: IN 03 ANI 02 JZ CIN IN 02 ANI 07Fh RET C-OUT, Test port for ready and output char in B. 200Dh JMP cout ; COUT ; CHARACTER OUTPUT ROUTINE GOES HERE ; CHAR TO GO IS IN 'B' ; ; SIO DRIVER COUT: IN 03 ANI 1 JZ COUT MOV A,B OUT 02 RET cont-C, Test char stream return with Z set if there was Ctrl-C. 201Ch JMP ctrlc ; CTLC ; CONTROL C ROUTINE GOES HERE ; RET Z=1 if control C otherwise Z=0 ; ; SIO DRIVER ; CTRLC: IN 03 ani 02 ; test for char wating XRI 02 ; use Xor to flip the Z bit RNZ NONE ; none? then bail IN 02 ; get data ANI 07Fh ; mask to ascii CPI "CTRLC" ; is it CTRLc RET Terminal-INIT used to setup or initalize the terminal (if needed). 2013h JMP TINIT (if needed) or RET (if not) - which must be patched to corresponding SOLOS routines in >ROM. If you are really stuck, email off list for some helpful info. Allison

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DEC Vax questions?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Neil Cherry <ncherry(a)home.net> > >Model 640QS-B2 BA213 >MS650/M7621 KA640/M7624 >M7559 >DSV11-SA/M3108 >M9060-YA >KSQSA/M5976-SA >TQK70/M7559-00 >M9060-YA It's a microvax of mid generation say MVIII. > >Can these machines run Linux or NetBSD. Where do I get OpenVMS? And yes Forget Linux, no ported. NTbsd may run ig you have disks, dont see them on the list nor do I see eithernet. Check out NetBSd port VAX. >I'm pretty sure that we are licensed for VMS (Corp ITS is crazy about >that kind of thing!). VMS without license is useless (it is keyed!). Check the DECUS.org web page and Montagar.com. IT likely ram VMS in the V5 era or later and could have run also run Ultrix (unix of the BSD flavor with DEC tweeks). Allison

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SOL floppy subsystem options

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>Don't have those pages (or the manual!) - do you know if they are on the >WWW anywhere? Well I'd look in the 'net but you could too. So happens I have the manuals >from my purchase back in '76 or was it '77. Allison

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SOL floppy subsystem options

by r.stek＠snet.net

NorthStar sub-systems were by far the most popular 5.25" systems for the Sol. Second would have been Micropolis, then perhaps Vista, and other lesser known makes. The 10 hole hard sectored disks were not that difficult to get (you can still buy them at California Digital - www.cadigital.com I think). NorthStar was one of the first, if not THE first on the market with a 5.25" system, and at $699 list with controller, they were $300 cheaper than an 8" drive. A LOT of IMSAI owners also went with N*'s. For 8" drives the Tarbell controller was popular, but the Morrow Disk Jockey (I and II) was probably the most common. There were many 8" drive controllers - CCS, SSM, Godbout, etc. - for CP/M. ProcTech's Helios had a two board set for their Pertec 8" drives in an impressive enclosure, and they did use the 32 hole hard sectored 8" disks. Their PTDOS was more than adequate and comparable to CP/M, but the Helios was very expensive, the drives were finicky, and CP/M became the universal standard. Someone eventually did adapt CP/M to run on the Helios, but by that time PT had disappeared. And yes, N* DOS has four entry points - Character-IN, C-OUT, cont-C, and Terminal-INIT - which must be patched to corresponding SOLOS routines in ROM. If you are really stuck, email off list for some helpful info. Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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SOL floppy subsystem options

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Mike Noel <Mike-Noel(a)GCI.net> > >I have a N* controller (attached to a pair of N* drives) attached to a >SOL. I think the controller and drives work (they appear to boot an NOS >disk but nothing happens on the screen) but I haven't been able to find >doc on configuring NOS for SOL. Anyone have that or able to explain >what I have to do? If you have the NS DOS manuals it's inthere all maybe 6 pages of it. The SOL was not the defacto IO so you have to setup for that and likely Bob Stek has it already done. It's very straightforward for the SOL. Allison

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SOL floppy subsystem options

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> >> I have a N* controller (attached to a pair of N* drives) attached to a >> SOL. I think the controller and drives work (they appear to boot an NOS >> disk but nothing happens on the screen) but I haven't been able to find >> doc on configuring NOS for SOL. Anyone have that or able to explain >> what I have to do? > >Sounds very familiar... seems like you have to patch the N* controller >ROM to use the SOLOS ROM jump table entries for get a character/display >a character... Jim Battles, Bob Stek, and I should all have this info >somewhere in SOLUS NEWS/PROTEUS NEWS? > >Guys? Does that sound right? No. The Solos roms conveniently provide nice IO for Charin and Charout the boot rom on the NS* controller is strictly boot(no other IO). And the standard NS* DOS is setup for 8251 usarts as in the NS* Horizon. So to bring uo NS* DOS on anything else you need e800h->efffh clear for the boot rom. NS* DOS wants ram starting at 2000h which most systems will do nicely (those that have rom usually have it at 0000 or FXXXh). With that You boot NS* DOS and halt it after boot appears done then using whatever debugger or memory editor you patch the jump table for YOUR IO (there is space if you need to code it). you write that out to a new disk after warm boot and now you have custom NS* DOS for your hardware. If your using NS* CP/M or the UCSD Pascal System the procedure is similar. Allison

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SOL floppy subsystem options

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Bill Sudbrink <bills(a)adrenaline.com> >Hopefully, in the next week or two, I'm going to be >getting a SOL. In anticipation of this, I'm wondering >what floppy interfaces one might expect to find in >a SOL. The one I'm getting does not have a floppy card Most likely a Northstar* MDS, Helios and maybe Icom FDOS there are toehrs but those were "of era". >in it. Looking around, I see that some people have >NorthStars in theirs. I have a spare N* floppy controller, >but I'd rather not go this route as the hard sectored >media is difficult to find. I'll have to inventory my >S-100 cards... I know I have a couple of Cromemcos 4FDC >and 16FDC cards. Would someone have put one of these in >a SOL? I'm not asking if it can be made to work. I'm >trying to get a sense of whether it's appropriate or if >it would be like putting a SoundBlaster32 with 16 Megs >of memory in an original 6MHz PC-AT with a 512K >motherboard. Keep in mind a SOL is 2mhz 8080 and without a DMA based FDC 8" double density is not easily done. It will do 5.25 double density however. Allison >

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SOL floppy subsystem options

by bills＠adrenaline.com

Hopefully, in the next week or two, I'm going to be getting a SOL. In anticipation of this, I'm wondering what floppy interfaces one might expect to find in a SOL. The one I'm getting does not have a floppy card in it. Looking around, I see that some people have NorthStars in theirs. I have a spare N* floppy controller, but I'd rather not go this route as the hard sectored media is difficult to find. I'll have to inventory my S-100 cards... I know I have a couple of Cromemcos 4FDC and 16FDC cards. Would someone have put one of these in a SOL? I'm not asking if it can be made to work. I'm trying to get a sense of whether it's appropriate or if it would be like putting a SoundBlaster32 with 16 Megs of memory in an original 6MHz PC-AT with a 512K motherboard.

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SOL floppy subsystem options

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Closely related question - > > I have a N* controller (attached to a pair of N* drives) attached to a > SOL. I think the controller and drives work (they appear to boot an NOS > disk but nothing happens on the screen) but I haven't been able to find > doc on configuring NOS for SOL. Anyone have that or able to explain > what I have to do? Sounds very familiar... seems like you have to patch the N* controller ROM to use the SOLOS ROM jump table entries for get a character/display a character... Jim Battles, Bob Stek, and I should all have this info somewhere in SOLUS NEWS/PROTEUS NEWS? Guys? Does that sound right? -dq

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Lynklyte III terminal by Lynk

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

Hello again from the land of Hidden Treasures, Canonsburg, PA 15317. Available for a small donation and shipping cost, or they end up in the dumpster: 2 Lynklyte III terminals by Lynk with keyboards, one yellowed, one not. On the back: Appear to have ethernet thick? (2 pin coax) connection, with RJ-45 adapters. Printer port, DB-25M Cartridge slot Keyboards resemble IBM AT style, some keys labeled differently. Plug looks the same as XT/AT also. Please contact me off list if interested. Bill Your computer will do far more than you ever expected it to, and that won't be enough. Pournelle's First Law

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2nd life/info for IBM RS6000 type 7012?

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

>> Might be . . . I think that is a Power PC chip and there is a Linux for PPC, >> but sold under the Macintosh banner. I have a PPC distro, but it is geared >> for the PPC card in an Amiga. > > Not necessarily -- it could be the old POWER architecture. There is no Linux > for that, at least that I'm aware of. We have three 7012s at work. Two are model 320, one (the one which actually booted last time I switched it on!) is a model 375. They use the old Power RISC chipset in its various incarnations. We migrated to a Sun 450 about 2 years ago when we discovered that all the RS/6000 models in our price range were PPC and slower than our existing 375 (the exception being the model 397 - presumably another 7012 - but even that was a bit expen, and we wondered how long they'd go on supporting it) > I run AIX 4.1.4 on this Apple Network Server 500, which is itself a PPC 604e. > LinuxPPC is *kind of* supported on this platform -- I hear it still has some > X issues. Never mind, I love SMIT always. ;-) ROFL! But Solstice is worse... One thing to beware, at least on our 7012 machines, is that if you want to add a keyboard, you need a special one. PC keyboard doesn't work (no need to guess how I found that out a couple of office moves ago...). Display is 1280*1024, can't remember the scanning rates, on 3 BNCs, sync on green. An IBM 6019 is recommended :-) Mouse is a standard PS/2 mouse - plugged it into my PC and it the setup said it had detected a Logitech mouse... Philip. This message and any attachments are confidential and should only be read by those to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact us, delete the message from your computer and destroy any copies. Any distribution or copying without our prior permission is prohibited. Internet communications are not always secure and therefore the Powergen Group does not accept legal responsibility for this message. The recipient is responsible for verifying its authenticity before acting on the contents. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Powergen Group. Powergen plc. 53 New Broad Street, London EC2M 1SL Telephone +44 (0) 2476 42 4000 Fax +44 (0) 2476 42 5432

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beginer WAX

by rachael_＠gmx.net

Hi >It is a nice VAX, and it has everything onboard. No option slots AFAIK. >It is certanly a good starter-model, but keep in mind that you can just >run OpenVMS or Ultrix on it. No NetBSD (at the moment). >But OpenVMS is a very very nice system too. >How much is it?! With or without monitor? RAM? Disc? It has 8mb ram and a harddrive, the owner wantede 500 Dkkr for it. I just lookeed at netbsd and it seems that of netbsd 1.5 the Vaxstation 4000 vlc is supportede. Regards, Jacob Dahl Pind Public Pgp key available on request -------------------------------------------------- = IF this computer is with us now... = =...It must have been meant to come live with us.= = (Belldandy - Goddess First class) = --------------------------------------------------

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finally got my website "on-line"

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Hello all. I have published my PDP-11 webpages. Allthough they are not finished (will they ever be?), I am going public because otherwise it will never happen -:) Enjoy reading, and I am looking forward to any comments. Happy collecting, Henk Gooijen, PDP-11 collector gooi(a)oce.nl henk.gooijen(a)12move.nl Sneak-peek of retro-computing: http://home.12move.nl/~sh416008

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Pied Piper by STM Electronics Corp

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

> >I'd appreciate you posting whatever you can find - I have a Pied Piper too, >but no info at all. Not even a boot disk (Oh Hans ... ) > Emailed. Any other requests?

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Pied Piper by STM Electronics Corp

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

Pictures: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1166661&a=8583124 -----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, 7 September 2000 2:22 Subject: Re: Pied Piper by STM Electronics Corp >On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Olminkhof wrote: > >> I have a new find that doesn't seem to be documented on the Web so far. >> It's a "Pied Piper" by Semi-Tech Electronics Corporation of Menlo Park, >> California. >> >> It seems to work perfectly and came with a little documentation and a CP/M >> boot disk. It is a portable, a little larger than a C64 with a carry handle, >> a cover for the keyboard and a diskette drive built in. Docs are copyright >> 1982. Has a composite monitor connector that I'm using. > >By all means, post a picture! > >Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Looking for a six in a pile of nines... > > VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 > San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California > See http://www.vintage.org for details! > > >

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Pre/Post VCF touring/shopping advices

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

Hi, Does anyone here have a few tips and trick for those of us wanting to make the most of our VCF trip? Any good places in the area to visit (hobby related that is) thrifts, surpluses etc... Thanks for the tips. Francois PS: Even you local can pitch in, it only for one week-end and then everything will be back to normal :)

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New Find

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Picked up a Sun SPARCstation 370 today, looks like some cards are missing has several open slots. Will give more details as I start working with it. PS. To Mr. Lemay went by the U today and it was empty ? What happen to all those items you saw there ? John Keys

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Need help on old parts??

by djg＠drs-esg.com

> From: Dwight Elvey <elvey(a)hal.com> > > Hi > I need some pinouts for some old TTL? or DTL? parts > These are in my computer and I think one of them is > causing a failure. These are all TI parts: > > I am especially interested in the > SN15861 and SN15849. > If you can say you are with (or are) a company you can get the datasheets >from http://www.freetradezone.com If you can't and haven't gotten the information email me and I will get it for you. David Gesswein http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Old computers with blinkenlights

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Data General AViiONs and other 88k systems

by cnelson＠dallas.net

I am interested in Motorola 88k based systems like the Data General AViiON and related information. I have a small website www.m88k.org and wish to expand it's content. Thanks. Chris Nelson cnelson(a)dallas.net webmaster(a)m88k.org

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PDP / VAX FS: Austin, TX

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

If interested in any of this stuff, please mail me off-list. I'm running out of room so some of this has to go.. (make offer) PDP-11/02 in BA11-VA chassis, with: RS232 console serial card RAM card RX01 disk controller card CPU card (not at home now, dont have the exact numbers) Pictures: http://www.pdp11.org/pics/pdp-front.jpg http://www.pdp11.org/pics/pdp-back.jpg http://www.pdp11.org/pics/pdp-back-closeup-1.jpg Local buyers: will throw in the dual-unit RX01-compatible floppy drive unit (its WAAAY too heavy to ship): http://www.pdp11.org/pics/eight-inch-floppys-front.jpg http://www.pdp11.org/pics/eight-inch-floppys-switches.jpg and an original VT102 with manual: http://www.pdp11.org/pics/pdp1102.jpg I've also got a VAXstation 4000-VLC with 16mb and a VS3100-M38 with 16mb that I'll let go dirt cheap. Anyway, mail me off-list if anyone is interested in this stuff - I've become too busy to work with it lately and it needs a good caring home. Also have a (dunno how old it is) Livingston Portmaster IRX 2-port console/terminal server/router. Bill -- +-------------------\ /-----------------+ | Bill Bradford | www.sunhelp.org | | mrbill(a)mrbill.net | www.decvax.org | | Austin, Texas USA | www.pdp11.org | +-------------------/ \-----------------+

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Pied Piper by STM Electronics Corp

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

If nobody else can come up with anything I've got a copy of Personal Computer News at home which ran an article on the Pied Piper when it was released so I'll be able to give you the full rundown. a > -----Original Message----- > From: Olminkhof [mailto:jolminkh@nsw.bigpond.net.au] > Sent: 06 September 2000 11:51 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Pied Piper by STM Electronics Corp > > > I have a new find that doesn't seem to be documented on the > Web so far. > It's a "Pied Piper" by Semi-Tech Electronics Corporation of > Menlo Park, > California. > > It seems to work perfectly and came with a little > documentation and a CP/M > boot disk. It is a portable, a little larger than a C64 with > a carry handle, > a cover for the keyboard and a diskette drive built in. Docs > are copyright > 1982. Has a composite monitor connector that I'm using. > > I'd appreciate someone putting this into a bit more context for me. > > Thanks, > Hans > > >

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Pied Piper by STM Electronics Corp

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

I have a new find that doesn't seem to be documented on the Web so far. It's a "Pied Piper" by Semi-Tech Electronics Corporation of Menlo Park, California. It seems to work perfectly and came with a little documentation and a CP/M boot disk. It is a portable, a little larger than a C64 with a carry handle, a cover for the keyboard and a diskette drive built in. Docs are copyright 1982. Has a composite monitor connector that I'm using. I'd appreciate someone putting this into a bit more context for me. Thanks, Hans

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2nd life/info for IBM RS6000 type 7012?

by claudew＠funcow.com

Hi I know very little about Rs6000's and IBM AIX... Got this for free...80M Ram, 2 SCSI drives, no keyboard or monitor. Sabine video card and token ring card. Connected Wyse 60 to Modu-10 serial port connector (made cable and connector - such fun) and worked when I got it with AIX already on HDs. Did not have root and HD was a mess so took drives out and used them for something else. Was told AIX needed for this machine was specific version and had to be installed from IBM tape drive ou IBM CDROM or it would never install...tried a "AIX 4.2.1 entry server" on cdrom with Toshiba and other non-ibm SCSI cdroms and never booted or installed doing proper install procedure. Cdrom could be seen and read when old AIX was on there and cdrom connected to scsi chain...I know Sabine card not supported in 4.x Aix anyways... It's micro-channel arch. I think there is no Linux for this... Now machine sits in corner with vintage pc collection taking up more and more space. It's either gotta do something usefull besides sitting on it's side...or will be put up for trade/sale...I really don't wanna bother selling this...I am trying to limit collection of vintage PCs to "home pc's" so this one won't stay for collection even if now about 10-11 years old... Anybody any ideas or suggestions??? Is it worth it? Thanks for reading Claude

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Want a nice supercomputer ... ?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

if your going to post this at least a brief descrption for those of us that really dont care to navagate ebay. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Pat Barron <pat(a)transarc.ibm.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, September 01, 2000 7:28 PM Subject: Want a nice supercomputer ... ? >Check this out ... > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=426080142 > >--Pat. > > >

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Link MC70 terminal?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Hello All, Over the weekend I was offered a free "color DEC terminal" which I _thought_ was a VT340 by the description, so I said "Sure, I'll come over and take it off your hands." but what it was is something called a "Link MC70". This was used with a VAX apparently (even has a DEC keyboard layout with the "Do" key!) , and can also do graphics. The web says it is 4014 compatible (but no ReGIS as far as I can tell). Does anyone know anything about this terminal? It is dual session so I'll probably hang on to it. --Chuck

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Got Trillium Talkto 616 PBX kit in vintage computer lot...anybody familliar with this unit?

by claudew＠funcow.com

Hi I know this is slightly off subject but I now know this group has such a variety of people with experience in such different field of electronics...I work with a team of 40 electronics techs for a living but none of these have worked a lot with phone/pbx stuff... Got this whole PBX kit in a lot of old/vintage computers I bought. Cost came out to about $15...with 6 hands-free phones...I am thinking of installing it in my 3 floor house...I have 6 clean hand-free phones, the ksu, io cable for stations... I have the manuals for the phones but not for the ksu. I wired up one phone with the ksu and everything seems to work...I suppose the KSU has some default settings...but I really wanna get my hands on the KSU manual...ksu has dip switches with PROGRAM next to them...anybody ever work with one of these or have the KSU manual?...Anybody got one of these pbx's in a house and wanna gimmie pointers for setup/install? Thanks for reading Claude

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March 1984 issue of HP Journal ?

by jate＠uwasa.fi

Hello all. In my ongoing search for all things HP 9000 Series 500 I accidentally stumbled into HP Journal. HP has a database on the web with just the article names: http://www.hp.com/hpj/journal.html But there seems to be a bug of sorts (I think I ought to report it to HP). Try searching for HP 9000 Series 500, and you'll get one article: Mar-1984, HP-UX: Implementation of UNIX on the HP 9000 Series 500 Computer System by, Now try to browse Mar-1984: A Local Area Network for the HP 9000 Series 500 Computers Does anybody have the magazine (and be willing to sell it :) or if somebody has it could they give a list of the articles and some info on is it worth ordering as a reprint. Any other 9000/550 trivia gratiously accepted as it's quite difficult to find information about them. -- Jarkko Teppo jate(a)uwasa.fi

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TRS-80 Model II

by kees.stravers＠iae.nl

On 2000-09-03 classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org said to kees.stravers(a)iae.nl >I have several TRS-80 Model II (w/ 8" drives) without keyboards. >Are the Model III keyboards compatible? No, they need a keyboard that uses a special serial protocol. The keyboard looks a bit like a Model I. >Also, if anyone wants one of these things, $10 plus shipping. The >condition is unknown since I haven't fired them up ... and they >don't include keyboards :). I think I have enough :) see: http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/cm/modelii.html Kees. -- Kees Stravers - Geldrop, The Netherlands - kees.stravers(a)iae.nl http://www.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/ My home page (old computers,music,photography) http://www.vaxarchive.org/ Info on old DEC VAX computers Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Registered

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eprom 23c256

by rachael_＠gmx.net

I have a problem with the eprom used in a IBM 5160 it`s labelede 23c256 so I suppose that I need to build somekind of adaptor before I can read it out with my eprom burner. Does anyone know where to find the pinout of such a thing ? Regards Jacob Dahl Pind Public Pgp key available on request -------------------------------------------------- = IF this computer is with us now... = =...It must have been meant to come live with us.= = (Belldandy - Goddess First class) = --------------------------------------------------

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Need help on old parts??

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> I received a pdf from one of the others on the list. The pdf shows >that the 861 is not exactly like the 7420, in that the unused pins >of the 7420 are for gate expansion on the 861. The circuit that uses the >part, I think is failing, doesn't use these pins. The biggest potential >problem I see is that the original designer used two outputs tied >together. This means that the other output has to pull it down >as well. I tried a 74LS20 and it didn't work but I think it is >just that the 74LS20's have a strong pull-up. I'll try to locate >a 7420 and give it a try. I've also found a part supplier that No No NO! TTL aka 7420 has an active pullup and one output will fight another. Those parts are RTL/DTL and the ouputs are either open collector (is there a pullup resistor?) or have an internal Pullup. So if you going to try TTL use parts that are open collector like 7401 or 7403... Allison >stocks old DTL and even RTL parts. I haven't contacted them >yet but if the 7420 doesn't work I'll give them a try. They >have these in the Motorola part numbers. For others looking for old >parts, they are: > >http://lansdale.com/~lansdale/index.html > > I'm sure these will be expensive but then what the heck. >Thanks for the reply >Dwight > >

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DG guy

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

Coincidentally, I've got mail here from a DG-guy looking for other DG preservationists. The appropriate bits follow. I'm sure he'd love to hear from all interested parties. Cheers, Bill. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | To: History Preservation Buffs | | In a little over 30+ years Data General has gone from exciting startup | computer company, to number two minicomputer company, to almost a footnote | in our memories. The recent buyout by EMC has effectively closed the door | on any corporate interest in saving this important part of computer history. | | A recent increase in 16-bit Nova and Eclipse activity(!) and has made us | decide to split off a separate web site - www.SimuLogics.com - to try to | deal with these situation. The intent is to salvage, restore, preserve and | archive all of the 16-bit Nova, Eclipse and compatible hardware, software | and documentation possible. As part of this effort we have donated most of | our own DG systems to the various museums, educational institutes and | collectors. We are also transferring all manuals and software to CDROM to | preserve this heritage. | | Various clients and vendors have also supported this effort by providing | hardware, software and documentation that we are transferring to CDROM for | archival and historical purposes. | | The www.SimuLogics.com web site's nostalgia section is planned to be the | starting point for an expanded area for this highlight in computer history. | | Now I'm scrounging trying to find any and all Nova- and Eclipse-type stuff | to resurrect, restore and run, and am seeking any Nova/Eclipse/RDOS/AOS | hardware/software/documentation that could be preserved - any items that | might be even loaned for testing and/or archival purposes would be | appreciated. Also, any good tidbits or other such stuff would be great to | include in the triva section for posterity. | | And third-party DG look alikes are also being sought. Point 4, Bytronix, | IDP and others were important sub-markets within the DG area along with | third-party operating systems such as MICOS, BITS, VMOS. | | And site comments/ridicule/suggestions are always welcome! | | Bruce Ray | bkr(a)SimuLogics.com | www.SimuLogics.com | | Parent company: | | Wild Hare Computer Systems, Inc. | P O Box 3581 | Boulder, Colorado 80307-3581 | USA | vox: (303) 466-7717 | fax: (303) 465-5780 | bkr(a)WildHareComputers.com | www.WildHareComputers.com ... and ... | P S I wrote some of the Keronix system software (KMOS) and other stuff | for Keronix in '73 and '74, and Doug Chadwick wrote an IRIS BASIC system | for them (called BITS). I loved my personal IDP 16 with light blue case | and red LEDs and could perhaps answer other questions you might have. I | think you responded to a thread on the San Gabriel Keronix question...

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beginer WAX

by rachael_＠gmx.net

I`m having the opportunity to buy a VAXstation 4000 VLC, would anyone recomment it, as a "my first VAX" ? Or should I go for another model ? Regads Jacob Dahl Pind Public Pgp key available on request -------------------------------------------------- = IF this computer is with us now... = =...It must have been meant to come live with us.= = (Belldandy - Goddess First class) = --------------------------------------------------

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March 1984 issue of HP Journal ?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Jarkko Teppo <jate(a)uwasa.fi> wrote: (HP9000 series 550) > I have yet to figure out a *safe* way to clone the OS to another > disk for backup. I recommend reading the following man pages as a start: osmgr(8), sdfinit(8), mkrs(8). Follow the "see also" links in the pages for more info. Having a 9144 or equivalent CS/80 cartridge tape drive (and cartridges) could be a Good Thing, that's the sort of device that mkrs wants to build its bootable tape filesystem upon. -Frank McConnell

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New Toy

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Picked up a FLUKE 8000A Digital Multimeter (92270) at the yard for a couple dollars. Seems to power up but no leads came with it. No doc's either, can I use some Radio Shack test leads with this unit ? John Keys

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Apple-1 Auction at VCF 4.0

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> The owner of the computer, Ray Borrill, operated a chain of > computer stores in the Midwest in the late 70's, one of the first > in the nation. This particular Apple-1 was one of 15 units > ordered directly from Steve Jobs. It was used as a display model > and was never sold. Borrill decided to hold onto it through the > years for posterity. Borrill, now retired, has decided that it's > time to pass the machine on to someone else who will continue to > appreciate it as he did. Fascinating... Ray's Apple was the first and only one I ever used; when I saw it, it had what appeared to be a Radio Shack transformer supplying power to it. Just a bare board, and ISTR it was connected to a TV set via an RF-modulator, and was running Spacewar. Could be wrong, Spacewar may have been running on one of the other machines Ray had at the Bloomington, IN store of his DataDomain chain. To anyone who'll be there, bidding on this, please bid vigorously; Ray has health problems and really, really needs the money. My SOL would never have made it to adulthood without his help. -dq

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Data General Eclipse

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Any DG AOS/VS people out there? I helped evaluate the Eclipse around 1980 when our local Indiana Unversity campus was trying to break free from our total dependence on the centralized IU computing factilities in Bloomington and Indianapolis. It had a lot to offer, but we like Pr1me better, and went that route. IIRC, the Eclipse architecture was an evolution of the DG Nova architecture. It's development is the subject of Tracy Kidder's "Soul of a New Machine", a book I'd highly recommend reading. regards, -doug q

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What kind of tape is this? [+ how can I hack it?]

by yoda＠isr.ist.utl.pt

Is there anyone in _europe_ that could be kind enough to read my 9-track tape? (all postal expenses paid, of course) As last resort I'll ask someone in USA to do it (thanks to the ones that offered!). Cheers, -- *** Rodrigo Martins de Matos Ventura <yoda(a)isr.ist.utl.pt> *** Web page: http://www.isr.ist.utl.pt/~yoda *** Teaching Assistant and PhD Student at ISR: *** Instituto de Sistemas e Robotica, Polo de Lisboa *** Instituto Superior Tecnico, Lisboa, PORTUGAL *** PGP fingerprint = 0119 AD13 9EEE 264A 3F10 31D3 89B3 C6C4 60C6 4585

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Need bezel for DEC TLZ06-AA

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

IIRC the only full-height TLZ06 was the TLZ6L autoloader; the full height TLZ04 was an option on the R400X expansion box though, but it was a proper full height drive and not a half height hiding behind a big bezel! For PC mounting it should slide straight into a standard removeable drive bay and connect to any 8 bit SCSI card, for a uVAX II it'll have to be a hack since the only supported drives in those were TK50/TK70 that connected to their own controller cards (TQK50 and TQK70). The (I think) KFQSA was a v.expensive quad-height QBUS SCSI card but I think it only had external connections.....I can dig out some old books if it'll help. a > -----Original Message----- > From: Clint Wolff (VAX collector) [mailto:vaxman@uswest.net] > Sent: 04 September 2000 00:40 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Need bezel for DEC TLZ06-AA > > > > Hi, > > I recently purchased a few DEC TLZ06-AA DAT drives, and they arrived > today. Unfortunately, The bezel on them is the width of a 3.5" drive, > but the height of a half-height 5 1/4" drive. > > Does anyone know where I can get normal 5 1/4" bezel for them? > Any suggestions on how to mount them in a PC and a uVAX II? > > Thanks, > clint >

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Apple-1 Auction at VCF 4.0

by vcf＠siconic.com

LIVERMORE, CA - September 5, 2000 [Vintage Computer Festival] The Vintage Computer Festival announced today that an original Apple-1 computer circa 1976 will be auctioned off on the first day of the 4th annual Vintage Computer Festival, happening on September 30th through October 1st at the San Jose Convention Center in San Jose, California. "This is the machine that launched Apple Computer and begat one of the most amazing Silicon Valleysuccess stories in the history of the computer business," said Vintage Computer Festival (VCF) founder and organizer, Sellam Ismail. "The story of Apple Computer is well known: two guys working out of a garage create what turns into a multi- billion dollar business. This computer represents the humble beginnings of an industry that has seen an incredible explosion of growth in such a relatively short span of time." The Apple-1 was the brainchild of Steve Wozniak, who designed and built it in his spare time in the mid 1970's while still an employee at Hewlett-Packard. Management at HP saw no future in the computer and released all rights to Wozniak. Steve Jobs, Wozniak's high school friend, convinced Wozniak to market the machine. Jobs managed to land an order for 50 of the machines with a chain computer store called The Byte Shop, helping to launch the fledgling Apple Computer. The original selling price was $666.66. "The public eye is currently on Apple and Apple's CEO Steve Jobs since they are riding a crest of excellent product releases and climbing revenue," says Ismail. "This auction will hopefully attract those who wish to own a piece of the history of Apple, one of the most celebrated Silicon Valley success stories. This machine also represents the birth of the microcomputer itself, and is a very significant machine, both for its place in computing history and for its rarity. There are probably less than 200 of these remaining in the world." Moreover, the machine going to the auction block is in a condition and state of completeness not seen in similar recent auctions. Says Ismail, "this computer comes with all the accessories it was originally sold with, making it the most complete Apple-1 to come to auction in recent times." The owner of the computer, Ray Borrill, operated a chain of computer stores in the Midwest in the late 70's, one of the first in the nation. This particular Apple-1 was one of 15 units ordered directly from Steve Jobs. It was used as a display model and was never sold. Borrill decided to hold onto it through the years for posterity. Borrill, now retired, has decided that it's time to pass the machine on to someone else who will continue to appreciate it as he did. The Vintage Computer Festival is a yearly event in the Silicon Valley that celebrates computer history by featuring speakers >from computing's past as well as a hands-on exhibit of old computers and computing artifacts, some dating back over half a century or more. This is the fourth year of the Festival. Speakers this year include Jim Warren, founder and organizer of the West Coast Computer Faire, as well as Larry Tesler, who was at one point Apple's chief scientist and also worked at the prestigious Xerox Palo Alto Research Center during the 1970s. Warren and Tesler will be participating in a roundtable conference on day 1 of the Festival. This year, California Extreme 2000 (http://www.caextreme.org), a classic arcade game show featuring hundreds of classic video games and pinball machines, joins the VCF. The VCF and California Extreme 2000 share the same venue, and discounts will be available at the door for attending both events. Information about the Apple-1 auction can be found at http://www.vintage.org/2000/apple-1.html. General information about the fourth annual Vintage Computer Festival can be found at http://www.vintage.org/. MEDIA CONTACT: Sellam Ismail 925/371.1050 x102 sellam(a)vintage.org http://www.vintage.org Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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Data General Eclipse

by mcruse＠acm.org

Hi all, I just managed to get hold of a Data General Eclipse MV9000. I think it has been upgraded since the processor card says MV9300. I has over a hundred serial ports, three hard drives (ZetaCo), 9 track tape drive, five D211 terminals and three printers. I'm looking for documentation and software of any kind for this machine but I have not found anything substantial searching the net yet. Any ideas? This machine was apparently the target of a search by the local HAM radio clubs for the source of a 125Mhz signal that was triggering the emergency signal receivers in Russian satellites. I'm trying to get more info on this little bit of history this week. The machine looks at home next to the PDP8/i. I'm running 240Vac to the machine this week so I'll get to see if it works. Any DG AOS/VS people out there? Mike

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(O.T.) White Castle Belly Bombers

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> wrote: > > According to what their PR department says, the first White Castle was in > > Wichita, KS. The first ones I saw were in Columbus OH. > > I also thought they started in Columbus... I'm from Columbus. People here also think they started here. We do have a regional headquarters, and they are an ubiquitious establishment, especially when you are looking in the wee hours. Now, Wendy's _did_ start in Columbus (across from COSI, on East Broad St.; the number one restaurant is still there and still open) and so did Rax's Roast Beef. I'm told that we have the highest number of fast-food outlets per capita in the U.S. Having two chains start here certainly puts us ahead of that curve. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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March 1984 issue of HP Journal ?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Jarkko Teppo <jate(a)uwasa.fi> wrote: > In my ongoing search for all things HP 9000 Series 500 I accidentally > stumbled into HP Journal. HP has a database on the web with just > the article names: > > http://www.hp.com/hpj/journal.html How...sad. A couple or three years ago, HP stopped printing the Journal on paper and went to web-only publication. Then they offered a reprint service for old issues/articles. Now it seems that they've stopped that entirely, removed the web-only articles, and outsourced the reprint service. > But there seems to be a bug of sorts (I think I ought to report > it to HP). Try searching for HP 9000 Series 500, and you'll get one > article: You want to look at two issues: August 1983 and March 1984. August 1983: (0) front cover: photo of FOCUS memory, IOP, and CPU boards with protective covers removed. p. 1. (1) VLSI Technology Packs 32-Bit Computer System into a Small Package, by Joseph W. Beyers, Eugene R. Zeller, and S. Dana Seccombe. pp. 3-6. (2) An 18-MHz, 32-Bit VLSI Microprocessor, by Kevin P. Burkhart, Mark A. Forsyth, Mark E. Hammer, and Darius F. Tanksalvala. pp. 7-8, 10-11. (3) Instruction Set for a Single-Chip 32-Bit Processor, by James G. Fiasconaro. pp. 9-10. (4) VLSI I/O Processor for a 32-Bit Computer System, by Fred J. Gross, William S. Jaffe, and Donald R. Weiss. pp. 11-14. (5) High-Performance VLSI Memory System, by Clifford G. Lob, Mark J. Reed, Joseph P. Fucetola, and Mark A. Ludwig. pp. 14-20. (6) 18-MHz Clock Distribution System, by Clifford G. Lob and Alexander O. Elkins. p. 17. (7) 128K-Bit NMOS Dynamic RAM with Redundancy, by John K. Wheeler, John R. Spencer, Dale R. Beucler, and Charlie G. Kohlhardt. pp. 20-24. (8) Finstrate: A New Concept in VLSI Packaging, by Arun K. Malholtra, Glen E. Leinbach, Jeffery J. Straw, and Guy R. Wagner. pp. 24-26. (9) NMOS-III Process Technology, by James M. Mikkelson, Fung-Sun Fei, Arun K. Maholtra, and S. Dana Seccombe. pp. 27-29. (10) Two-Layer Refractory Metal IC Process, by James P. Roland, Norman E. Hendrickson, Daniel D. Kessler, Donald E. Novy Jr., and David W. Quint. pp. 30-33. (11) NMOS-III Photolithography, by Howard E. Abraham, Keith G. Bartlett, Garry L. Hillis, Mark Stolz, and Martin S. Wilson. pp. 34-37. March 1984: (0) front cover: photo of a "solar system" made up of colored balls. p. 1. (1) A New 32-Bit VLSI Computer Family: Part II--Software, by Michael V. Hetrick and Micheal L. Kolesar. pp. 3-6. (2) HP-UX: Implementation of Unix on the HP 9000 Series 500 Computer System, by Scoyy W. Y. Wang and Jeff B. Lindberg. pp. 7-15. (3) An Interactive Run-Time Compiler for Enhanced BASIC Language Performance, by David M. Landers, Timothy W. Tillson, Jack D. Cooley, and Richard R. Rupp. pp. 15-21. (4) A Local Area Network for the HP 9000 Series 500 Computers, by John J. Balza, H. Michael Wenzel, and James L. Willits. pp. 22-23, 25-27. (5) Data Communications for a 32-Bit Computer Workstation, by Vincent C. Jones. pp. 24-25. (6) A General-Purpose Operating System Kernel for a 32-Bit Computer System, by Dennis D. Georg, Benjamin D. Osecky, and Stephan D. Sheid. pp. 28-34. (7) The Design of a General-Purpose Multiple-Processor System, by Benjamin D. Osecky, Dennis D. Georg, and Robert J. Bury. pp. 34-38. (8) An I/O Subsystem for a 32-Bit Computer Operating System, by Robert M. Lenk, Charles E. Mear, Jr., and Marcel E. Meier. pp. 38-41. (9) Coping with Prior Invention, by Donald L. Hammond. p. 44 (rear cover). About the HP 2225 ThinkJet and HP's decision to work with Canon when they found Canon had already developed similar ink-jet printing technology. > Does anybody have the magazine (and be willing to sell it :) or if > somebody has it could they give a list of the articles and > some info on is it worth ordering as a reprint. As you might guess, the answers are yes (and no), and see above. These two issues are primarily about the HP 9000 Series 500 family. The August 1983 issue is about the hardware and processor design and packaging, and the March 1984 issue is about the software. As Joe mentioned, the 9000 was originally conceived as a sort of follow-on to the 9845 high-performance BASIC workstation. Somewhere in there the marketeers got the idea that it should run this new UNIX thing too, and so the OS developers got the idea of this lower-layer OS called "SUN" (no relation to that other UNIX vendor) that provided basic multiprocessor and multiprogramming support: multiple processes, memory management, multiprocessor-safe synchronization primitives, stuff like that. They then implemented a single-user BASIC atop that, and a port of System III UNIX called HP-UX. And, well, it's really a fascinating approach to performance from the very late 1970s and early 1980s. That first issue is largely about the design of a high-performance 32-bit CISC microprocessor based on the then-current notions within HP: it's a 32-bit microcoded stack processor, just like a big classic HP3000. Speed meant power, and power meant heat, and they needed to do something about the heat. Ever pull the CPU or memory cards out and notice how heavy they are for their size? That's because the boards have a 1mm solid copper core. The ICs are not in packages, they sit in holes in the Teflon printed-circuit base and are epoxied directly to the copper core, which dissipates the heat that the ICs generate when running. Bond-out wires go directly to pads on the printed-circuit board. That's why there are protective covers on the boards, there's naked silicon and other fragile stuff underneath. Astronomical notions are what drive the code names: SUN: the OS FOCUS: the processor chip family MONOCLE: the boot loader ("puts the SUN into FOCUS") DAWN: the 9020 (520) CORONA: can't remember, was this the 9040 (540)? That (especially the "SUN" name of the OS) is why the "solar system" picture on the cover of the March 1984 issue. At the time of the August 1983 issue, the family wasn't called the "Series 500", it was just the "HP 9000" with models 20, 30, and 40 (9020, 9030, 9040). Somewhere between there and March 1984, the 98[123]6 and 9920 were renamed as the HP 9000 Series 200 family (2[123]6 and 220, respectively) and the models 20, 30, and 40 became the Series 520, 530, and 540. I think the Series 550 came after this. -Frank McConnell

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TRS-80 Model II

by pdp-11＠swbell.net

>Also, if anyone wants one of these things, $10 plus shipping. The >condition >is unknown since I haven't fired them up ... and they don't include >keyboards :). Do you know how much shipping will be?

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TRS-80 Model II

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Are these the ones that include the MC68000 cpu and run Xenix? > -----Original Message----- > From: Marvin [mailto:marvin@rain.org] > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 4:09 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: TRS-80 Model II > > > > I have several TRS-80 Model II (w/ 8" drives) without > keyboards. Are the > Model III keyboards compatible? > > Also, if anyone wants one of these things, $10 plus shipping. > The condition > is unknown since I haven't fired them up ... and they don't include > keyboards :). >

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Odd Honeywell Mouse

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> > > >Oh, sure, and I didn't mean to contradict you, I just wanted to provide > > Oh heck, shure you did. ;) Ok, sorry, but like Tim Allen says, it's that male hierarchical thing... (throaty primate emphasis on the "ar-ar" sound in that word). 8-;

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What kind of tape is this? [+ how can I hack it?]

by yoda＠isr.ist.utl.pt

I've just found a tape I recovered some time ago from the trash. It realy looks old. Tape dimensions: 1/2 inch, density 6250dpi, reel exterior diameter 8 1/2 inches, reel internal hole 95mm. What might it be? I have a QIC tape drive and a DEC TZ30 tape drive. Is there any chance (I mean, any chance at all, no matter how crazy) to hack a way of reading it with the those tape drives? Just wondering... Cheers, -- *** Rodrigo Martins de Matos Ventura <yoda(a)isr.ist.utl.pt> *** Web page: http://www.isr.ist.utl.pt/~yoda *** Teaching Assistant and PhD Student at ISR: *** Instituto de Sistemas e Robotica, Polo de Lisboa *** Instituto Superior Tecnico, Lisboa, PORTUGAL *** PGP fingerprint = 0119 AD13 9EEE 264A 3F10 31D3 89B3 C6C4 60C6 4585

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D'oh! Backup issue solved

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: Richard Erlacher <richard(a)idcomm.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, September 02, 2000 12:33 AM Subject: Re: D'oh! Backup issue solved >Folks with big ISP's/search engines tend to have between 750 GB and 1.5 TB >of storage, depending on their size. Numerous corporate enterprises around >here are near the TB range right now. I heard on the radio about one new >internet startup that brought up 775 GB of RAID their first day. May be so. I manage 40 clients and 4 servers every day and its not an issue. I could care less about the problem of dealing with more than 10-20gb. Most people I know of want a good solid very reliable 5-20gb system that really does make a restorable backup. In that range there are a lot of products, loads of hardware and most work fine. What I find lacking is the ability to IMAGE copy the disks(for NT4) replace the disk and write it back. I'm used to doing this with VMS to clone a disk and it's a life saver. Allsion

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Data General Eclipse

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Neat! Let's all give that a try! Generating a 125MhZ signal sounds > easy enough. ;-) Why are the ruskies' satellites so sensitive to > low-level signals generated over here? Dang, I wonder how many false > alerts my Jacob's ladder has triggered via harmonics? Mabye it needs > a transformer with a higher voltage and more current and longer spark > rods... ROFL! R.D. fires up the tesla coil, and Cheyenne Mountain goes to Defcon III... -dq

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DEC AUI Question

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Does someone on the list have any knowledge about the DEC AUI terminator and loopback plugs. terminator p/n 12-22196-01 loopback p/n 12-22196-02 Both of these only have 6 pins, shown below with their signals: 3 TX+ 5 RX+ 6 +12v return 10 TX- 12 RX- 13 +12v I tried to determined how they are wired with a VOM, but even on the Rx20k scale, I could not find any continuity among the pins. TIA Mike

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What kind of tape is this? [+ how can I hack it?]

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Not a chance. That is an old 9track tape and drive are outthere for those that wish to. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Rodrigo Ventura <yoda(a)isr.ist.utl.pt> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Sunday, September 03, 2000 1:00 PM Subject: What kind of tape is this? [+ how can I hack it?] > > I've just found a tape I recovered some time ago from the >trash. It realy looks old. Tape dimensions: 1/2 inch, density 6250dpi, >reel exterior diameter 8 1/2 inches, reel internal hole 95mm. What >might it be? > > I have a QIC tape drive and a DEC TZ30 tape drive. Is there >any chance (I mean, any chance at all, no matter how crazy) to hack a >way of reading it with the those tape drives? Just wondering... > > Cheers, > >-- > >*** Rodrigo Martins de Matos Ventura <yoda(a)isr.ist.utl.pt> >*** Web page: http://www.isr.ist.utl.pt/~yoda >*** Teaching Assistant and PhD Student at ISR: >*** Instituto de Sistemas e Robotica, Polo de Lisboa >*** Instituto Superior Tecnico, Lisboa, PORTUGAL >*** PGP fingerprint = 0119 AD13 9EEE 264A 3F10 31D3 89B3 C6C4 60C6 4585

25 years, 11 months

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D'oh! Backup issue solved

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Richard Erlacher <richard(a)idcomm.com> >There's one gotcha with the SAMBA (SMB) approach to this problem and that's >in connection with the DOS backups I also have to do. My serious work, PCB >layout, schematic capture, digital simulation, etc, is done largely in a >10-year-old DOS-based package. Reasons aside, what this means is that I >still have to consider memory requirements for those applications. The SMB >driver package(s) I've looked at have too large a memory requirement to fit, >together with rather voluminous SCSI driver requirements imposed by my need >for interchangeable media used together with the software I need. This >means that I either use SAMBA or I get the work done, and not both. Ok then the dos/networking is a problem on the dos side not the server side where SAMBA runs. RIght? Yes running dos is painful as it lives in the 640k world wher things have to fit. >Of course, I could compromise, in that I could run the software under WIN9x, >but that limits the display resolution I can use, since Win9x forces me to >use an 800x600 resolution. I really prefer to be able to see the nearly 1:1 >representation of a B-size (11x17") drawing on the CRT and still be able to >read the lettering. Well getting win9x to run at 640x480 or any other resolution is not a big deal if the video card and tube can, W9x really doesnt care. >Moreover, the Windows drivers for my HP 9585B plotter don't work properly, >while the ones internal to the drafting package have always worked just >fine. I have several packages under DOS that work properly, and not one >under Windows, since the authors of the drivers apparently thought the >$13,000 "E" size plotters work just like the $175 "A" size ones, which is >not the case. Get a new or different driver, we use one at work and it's larger D sized brother and it's not an issue under win9x. >Part of the backup problem is because of the long file names, since the >DOS-based package that backs up and restores with complete reliability >doesn't like long file names, and the software that understands the long >file names doesn't understand backup. Well using dos to do back up is not a best config. In the world of long file names dos is severly crippled. Rather than dos I'd use *nix or NT4 workstation as either is more robust than dos. Dos while fairly bug free has no protections and relies on sane debugged apps to be robust. FYI: NT4 workstation runs better than w95 on my stuff even the 486dx/66 box. >Yes, the LINUX is an option, but I'll not use it until there's >synchronization between the documentation and the software in current usage. >That seems millenia away, however. How about FreeBSD? Allison

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D'oh! Backup issue solved

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>My solution has been to abandon backups, and to create archives instead. >When possible, I try to extract from the running system any configuration >info I'd need to get back to where I was, and include that in the archive >as well. Actually from expereince that is a good approach. Expereince has been that when I needed a back up or archive I also had changed OSs due to major system failure. For example the latest was due to a real disk crash. So I finally jumped off W3.1 to WinNT4 so archives were actually more useful. I started doing that lots of years ago as every new varient of CP/M system usually had more storage so it was rare that I wanted to reproduce the former configuration. Also archives allowed me to leave off stuff that was of little or no further interest. Allison

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Semi-OT: EPROM/PROM/PAL/.. programmer recommendations

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> For my money it is the Needham's EMP-20, nearly on topic > since they were introduced in 1993 :-) Yup, ditto that, nice unit... > Its a parallel port based device and their software programs a _LOT_ of > devices. Further with just the base unit you can program a lot of stuff. > With three "personality" cards you can program every PIC made and nearly > every ATMEL part made. There personality cards cleverly use the SIMM socket > as a means for re-routing power/signals to the socket that can accommodate > narrow or wide parts up to 64 pins. I also bought the 68 pin PLCC adapter > to program 68HC11's. The "downside" is that their software continues to be > DOS based and so my DOS PC continues its life on my workbench as primarily > a tool for operating such things. For a while, I had mine in my 160MHz 486 box (overclocked AMD5x86-133), which dual-boots between DOS/WfW311 and Win95Retail, then moved it to a DOS 5 machine that also hosts Linux on UMDOS partitions. Now it's in a pure DOS-only machine, running open-air (desktop box, no cover). -dq

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Odd Honeywell Mouse

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> >Oh, sure, and I didn't mean to contradict you, I just wanted to provide a Oh heck, shure you did. ;) >contrasting data point. I passed on a TS-803 on E-Bay recently, as I know >where I can get one locally... they were really nice as CP/M machines go. Yes they were. Got to play with one back when they were new and "da thing". Allison

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D'oh! Backup issue solved

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> It used to be that one could do backups on a home-based system. However, > softare to handle the backups just doesn't seem to be there. It's not > complicated, so one could, I suppose, roll-yer-own. My solution has been to abandon backups, and to create archives instead. When possible, I try to extract from the running system any configuration info I'd need to get back to where I was, and include that in the archive as well. But backing up home systems in situ is problematic, since you generally have to have a running system from which to restore the backup anyway. regards, -doug q

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D'oh! Backup issue solved

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Anyone reading this could suggest a good low cost POP3/SMTP package > for NT4 server with 40 users (not internet), contact me off list. IT > doesn't have to forward mail to the internet as we dont have such a > connection...yet. Hi, Allison... Until we went with MS Exchange, we were running Mercury Mail server under NT4... it's written by the same guy down in Oz who wrote Pegasus Mail. And once you're ready to connect to the internet, IIRC, it can use a standard dial-up line to a $20/mo ISP account to move mail in and out. Let me know if you'd like more info, and I'll scrape it up... regards, -doug q

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(O.T.) White Castle Belly Bombers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> According to what their PR department says, the first White Castle was in > Wichita, KS. The first ones I saw were in Columbus OH. I wan't too > impressed with the small size, but I do like them now. Three or 4 WC's equal > one normal hamburger. I also thought they started in Columbus... do you remember when they used to keep a small rack of White Castle Corporate literature (I think they called them "house organs") at each store? > BTW, note that the buns are no more than Parkerhouse rolls. Hence the size > of the pattie. I like mine with cheese and horseradish mustard. Yum! never tried that, I either eat 'em plain or with Heinz & Dijon... > I have yet to figure why the frozen varieties cost more than the fresh ones. Well, the box for one, and the little plastic wraps each pair is sealed in. Then there's the labor for putting them in the bags and boxes... I don't believe it's an automated process. regards, -doug q

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Odd Honeywell Mouse

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >At a local electronics trade school where I worked (as a programmer and > >teaching digital briefly), we had a bunch of Televideo TS-803 Z-80 based > >CP/M workstations; each had a mouse port, we bought only one mouse tho; > >it was an early Mouse Systems unit, optical, but requiring the dedicated > >optical mouse pad. Worked quite nicely, tho, and I wrote a rudimentary > >drawing program for it to create graphic objects for the computer-based > >simluation of our digital trainer/breadboard systems. > > Never said it was never done. I said *most* didnt'. I have a triad of > Visual 1050s that have a 6502+32k for graphics so I know some did. > It was however quite rare for those to have a mouse and software > that was mouse aware. Oh, sure, and I didn't mean to contradict you, I just wanted to provide a contrasting data point. I passed on a TS-803 on E-Bay recently, as I know where I can get one locally... they were really nice as CP/M machines go. regards, -doug q

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VCF Requests i.e. liquid and solid fuel

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > > > > I have heard that 1 or 2 dozen White Castle burgers is another substitute. > > > > White Castle. Ugh, filthy things. I was introduced to them by my WC-munchin' > > pa when I visited family in Ohio, and they were positively nasty. :-P > > I've heard those called "murder burgers". When they hit your stomach, > it was murder... Strange... never heard anyone say they caused *stomach* problems, but they do have a way of finding their way to the sea rather quickly... ;-) -dq

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VCF Requests i.e. liquid and solid fuel

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I have heard that 1 or 2 dozen White Castle burgers is > another substitute. > > White Castle. Ugh, filthy things. I was introduced to them by > my WC-munchin' pa when I visited family in Ohio, and they were > positively nasty. :-P <oft-repeated scene:> "Woa, these things are *nasty*. Another sack of ten, please..." -dq

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Odd Honeywell Mouse

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

>On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Eric Smith wrote: > > > Digging in a huge tangle of wires today I found an odd looking Honeywell > > > mouse. Instead of a ball, it has two wheels on the bottom angled so that > > > one turns on x axis and the other y axis movements. Otherwise it looks like > > > an old PC serial mouse, is it? > > > > Dunno, but Doug Englebart's original rodentia were made in this fashion... > > The Honeywell mouse is not the same. It's wheels are nearly parallel to > the bottom surface of the mouse, rather than perpendicular. But they > are tilted slightly, one on each axis. The idea is to keep crud from > being pulled into the mouse. Some other vendors OEM'd these or licensed > the design, for instance some DEC hockeypuck mice work this way. Ah... I'll have to keep my eyes open for one of these! -dq

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D'oh! Backup issue solved

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>No, the SID (as I recall from my guilty little store of NT data) is >generated off hardware to prevent someone from simply putting the name of a >trusted host on an NT machine and entering it into the NT domain. If the >SID doesn't match, the machine isn't granted entrance. Therefore, it would >have to be have been assigned *before* it is connected to the network, and >according to our local MCSE, it's totally intrinsic to the machine's hardware. Simple solution is to rename the machine, reboot then go the primary domain controller and delete the server then reenter it. go back to the first and change the domain and tada it's a domain member. If you want it to be in a trusted do main thas easier. All this hinges off SID and more importantly that NT native networking is netbios(netbeui) even if your running TCP/IP as it simple does netbios over that. >Windows networking is just *weird* :-P Not really once you accept the fact that it's netbeui based from it's legacy of lanman and DOS. Thats where the domain sillyness comes from. Until I sorted all that our I found NT to be very secure. ;) I couldn't get anything to talk to anything even though they were in the same IP adress range and all. Wierd, yes... very. Allison

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D'oh! Backup issue solved

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

My little system here is only 5 pcs two running NT and the TLZ04 DDS1 does fine for that. Work I have the two NT4 boxen that are only pIII/550s 9gb mirrored pair for data and 4.3 gb for system stuff. Each has HP T20 and thats a good match. The remaining three servers backup to a 500$ quantum 10gb snap drive and that cascade copies to a P133 server that has a T20 on it. This is good for a business as the clients that do back up do it to the servers so they have live data for the next day. Simple ripple backup scheme with multiple copies of the same data for safety. KISS is still the operative mode word. Allison

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by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Richard Erlacher <richard(a)idcomm.com> >ANY Win9x-based utility that actually would provide a no-nonsense backup >procedure, one that would recognize that it formatted the tape, one that >would follow its own schedule and would recognize the same tape each time it >was in the drive. I'd like it to start within 1 minute of when it's invoked >when running on a 150 MHz machine, and that wouldn't ask me more than once >if REALLY want to do what I just typed. I'd like it to go ahead and back up Replica isn't too bad along those lines. ran is for a year on a P133 (not mmx even!) off a AHA5142 on a HPt20 under NT3.51. The only thing it would not do is back up network drives. >open. When I'm using a 20-tape library, I'd prefer it NOT ask for >permission to use the next tape, and, having gotten that perimssion, I'd >prefer it not ask again before overwriting the tape. I'd prefer it be able >to read the backup it wrote yesterday, and I'd be happy if it could >recognize the tape it just formatted. I though of getting a Quantum DLT but the cost was high. The Replica software plays well with it though. It can be preset to overwrite if needed. >If you know of such a device that works with 4 or 8mm SCSI devices, 100 >percent of the time, preferably unattended, and will actually utilize the Replica worked fine with my TLZ04 (4mm DDS1). >bandwidth of the tape device (80MB/sec, in bursts, 90 MB/min, >continuous/aggregate) please share the info with us. The NT stuff is the I have nothing to push tape that hard. >only OS-resident software I've encountered that actually works. The backup >that comes with Win9x works with the picotapes that work on the floppy >ports, but they can't handle an adult's device. wrong tool. >What really PISSES ME OFF about all this software, again, with the exception >of the NT stuff, is that it doesn't know about SCSI-1 devices, and doesn't >work one bit better on high-speed large-capacity disk drives than on tapes. W9x drivers are poor at best and ok only for desktop. NT is the only thing I'd consider other thn *nix for something server class. >backups of the whole system over the LAN every day, assuming there's enough >bandwidth on its 100Mb channel, I'd use it. I've bought a half dozen >different vendors' offerings, and half of them don't even run, let alone >perform backups. I don't like lan backup as they suck up all the bandwidth and leave the 'net useless for their run time. A 100mb channel is only good for maybe 20mb/s and even then I'd only expect half that, thats SCSI-1 perfomance at best. I havent tried a lot of packages, done have a lot of $$$ to spread so anything free or supplied with hardware is always tried. Replica came with the HPt20 and worked with a lot of hardware I tried fairly well. However it's not the firebreathing stuff you use nor have I tried it at that level. For me a 3-5gb backup every night is easily handled with that and it runs during the night when our net is not in use. Allison

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New "Compaq" Supercomputer

by nerdware＠laidbak.com

Go to Compaq's website and click on the link about the new contract they just got for a machine with 12,000 Alpha's in it!! Kinda ticks me off, though, that while DEC did all the development work on this architecture, came up with something unique and technologically superior, the company that gets the credit for the big win is the same one that has made it's fortune cloning crappy IBM boxes and can't even make a laptop that goes three months before it has to back to the service department AGAIN....... Sorry. I'm the netadmin in an office where corporate policy sticks me with Armada laptops that need to go back for some sort of board replacement all the time. I'm on a first-name basis with the guy from Airborne..... it's gotten to the point where I figured out how they assign case numbers, and I can have the first six digits already written down before they start talking.....I have at least one a week go back. And some have gone in three or four times this past year! Paul Braun WD9GCO Cygnus Productions nerdware_nospam(a)laidbak.com

25 years, 11 months

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Semi-OT: Soldering Iron recommendations

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

if I go through my collection.... 100/140W weller soldering gun at least two W60s my normal sword, those are the Curie effect temperature controlled. I may convert them to electronic using triac and PT-RTD to sense temp if the internal switch fails as they are hard to find. one or two ungar 42W unregulated with various tips (most very fine) and a few blocks of copper for desoldering multiple leads at once. 12v 25W portable pencil for those field jobs. Ungar desoldering tool, handle with heated top and squeeze bulb for vacuum or pressure. various torches or the propane and mapp gas types plus mapp/oxygen rig for brazing/welding <yep I'm certified tig/mig on SS too>. I'm considering getting a newer weller or ungar regulated iron as the W60 Curie tips are getting very hard to find. Allison

25 years, 11 months

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Ni-MH pack topology [semi-OT, I know, sorry...]

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

You can bet it's a dallas or one of the other two wire digital components and not a simple thermister. Having opened more than a few packs I can say it's not going to be something that simple or easy to get data on. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Rodrigo Ventura <yoda(a)isr.ist.utl.pt> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, September 02, 2000 5:38 PM Subject: Re: Ni-MH pack topology [semi-OT, I know, sorry...] > > Thanks for the replies! > > It cannnot obviously be a plain fuse, since it is not >short-circuited (assuming it's still ok). > > I guess the most plausible idea is that it is just some kind >of thermal-dependant component. Maybe a NTC or PTC. Still, how could I >replace this component? I should characterize it electrically. > > Cheers, > > > >-- > >*** Rodrigo Martins de Matos Ventura <yoda(a)isr.ist.utl.pt> >*** Web page: http://www.isr.ist.utl.pt/~yoda >*** Teaching Assistant and PhD Student at ISR: >*** Instituto de Sistemas e Robotica, Polo de Lisboa >*** Instituto Superior Tecnico, Lisboa, PORTUGAL >*** PGP fingerprint = 0119 AD13 9EEE 264A 3F10 31D3 89B3 C6C4 60C6 4585

25 years, 11 months

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D'oh! Backup issue solved

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>I've used a product called Ghost that will 1) make and save disk images, 2) >allow those images to be written to a disk with different partition sizes, >etc. than the original, and 3) be used over a network. The only downside >I've seen (unless they have changed their policy in the last year or so) is >that it is sold on a 100 user license that cost about $750 or so. I managed >to buy a 50 user license at half the cost after I explained that we were >doing a one shot transfer to set up some machines. A good product! After buying an ODBS driver from merant at $4000 for a single server CPU (for paradox mind you) well this is not a a big problem. Actually it would be a single cpu thing as I want to backup the machine so if it failed I could clone it to the matching one of the pair in minimal time. On a different level some PC software is really wacked pricewise. Anyone reading this could suggest a good low cost POP3/SMTP package for NT4 server with 40 users (not internet), contact me off list. IT doesn't have to forward mail to the internet as we dont have such a connection...yet. Allison

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Odd Honeywell Mouse

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

----Original Message----- From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, August 31, 2000 9:33 AM Subject: RE: Odd Honeywell Mouse >> Those are similar tot he round mouse (Hawley) that were used for the early >> VAXstations. Those were not PC compatable. I've never seen >> a mouse on a z80 system (most didn't ahve graphics). > >At a local electronics trade school where I worked (as a programmer and >teaching digital briefly), we had a bunch of Televideo TS-803 Z-80 based >CP/M workstations; each had a mouse port, we bought only one mouse tho; >it was an early Mouse Systems unit, optical, but requiring the dedicated >optical mouse pad. Worked quite nicely, tho, and I wrote a rudimentary >drawing program for it to create graphic objects for the computer-based >simluation of our digital trainer/breadboard systems. Never said it was never done. I said *most* didnt'. I have a triad of Visual 1050s that have a 6502+32k for graphics so I know some did. It was however quite rare for those to have a mouse and software that was mouse aware. Allison

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D'oh! Backup issue solved

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>Around Point Loma they use a Symantec utility called GHOST to do this. I >ghosted two NT workstations this way to make a template backup. One small >detail, though, is that you have to fix security IDs when you're done, but >the GHoSTWALK utility makes this easy to do. Might be worth having in my tool kit. Allison

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D'oh! Backup issue solved

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

In this the obvious is the words... painfully aware. I have the Adaptec, you get it with their SCSI cards. Not the same as backup though as its controller specific, or it seems to. Tried it once to go from SCSI to IDE and it barfed. Plextor has a tool for this that comes with their CDrw. Obvious limit is you have to have CDW to create and CDr to read and the ~650mb limit of cdroms. Also used is good old 6120 tape (IOMEGA), ok, but so so reliability. There is the OnStream tapes and their tools, not bad but W9x and NT4/sp4 are it's minimia, 30gb! Best for low end SOHO, it works well in both the parallel port and scsi version. The *nix dd tool is a universal screwwrenchdriverhammer! ;) There is DriveImage but the one time I needed it to work it made an impressive mess of the partition table. It seems to want the target partitions to be exactly like the source partition and formatting <bad if you want to go from fat16 to fat32 or NTFS>. Xcopy(32) <dos, win3.x, W9x, NT> does the job ok for any disk/directory at the file level but cannot do the disk low level stuff needed to replicate <clone> a configured system. DOS backup/restore aka hackup and destroy... need i say more. Later DOS MSBACKUP was far better and incompatable format with win9x backup both of which are unintelligible to NT backup. Why VMS backup is better. I can take an image copy of any disk so long as its smaller than the target volume and replicate all of the structures and files. For example a copy of VMS5.4-3 on RD54 (MFM 160mb) to a CMD interfaced RZ56 (680mb scsi). and have a fully useful bootable disk that was not truncated. Or I can do that through an intermediate set of TK50 tapes. This was handy as I needed to install VMS once and I could copy it to N-many systems exactly as created. Maybe this works as there are a common set of standards. This is clearly lacking in the PC realm(non *nix based). Allison From: emanuel stiebler <emu(a)ecubics.com> >I think, the adaptec software can do it for you. And any **ix system >with dd ;-)

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Ni-MH pack topology [semi-OT, I know, sorry...]

by yoda＠isr.ist.utl.pt

I was wondering whether anyone here could help me on this one: I have a battery pack of a mobile phone I'd like to replace for a set of AA Ni-Cad batteries (reason: cheaper!). The mobile phone even has the necessary mechanical/electrical pieces necessary for the mobile to work with 4 AA batteries. The question is a couple of extra small terminals the pack provides. I dismantled the pack and I found out that one of them was connected to the pack (-) terminal, and the other one was connected to a weird component, which is connected to the (-) terminal. My question is: *what* weird component is that? Some clues: It looks like a common 1N4148 diode: glass capsule, two small copper-color cylinders, and something really small in between. However, it is not a (common) diode! However, I suspected it were a zenner pair (in series, symmetric polarity), and therefore I tryed to measure the zenner voltage by connecting the component in series with a 1K resistor, to a variable voltage power supply. In fact, varying the voltage does not affect the voltage drop across the component, remaining at 9.1V. At this time I was pretty sure it was a zenner pair, maybe for protection or something like that. However, the mobile does not charge the batteries (and does not recognize their presence) if this component is removed! The mobile charger has about 7V (open circuit), so I was expecting the supposedly zenner pair to be "open". What I did was to measure the extra pin voltage: without the component it measures about 2.5V, *with* the component it drops to about 1.2V. So the component cannot be a zenner pair. And this was the time I had the idea to post this message... Thanks for any help/clues/(flames?) given! Cheers, -- *** Rodrigo Martins de Matos Ventura <yoda(a)isr.ist.utl.pt> *** Web page: http://www.isr.ist.utl.pt/~yoda *** Teaching Assistant and PhD Student at ISR: *** Instituto de Sistemas e Robotica, Polo de Lisboa *** Instituto Superior Tecnico, Lisboa, PORTUGAL *** PGP fingerprint = 0119 AD13 9EEE 264A 3F10 31D3 89B3 C6C4 60C6 4585

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Ni-MH pack topology [semi-OT, I know, sorry...]

by yoda＠isr.ist.utl.pt

Thanks for the replies! It cannnot obviously be a plain fuse, since it is not short-circuited (assuming it's still ok). I guess the most plausible idea is that it is just some kind of thermal-dependant component. Maybe a NTC or PTC. Still, how could I replace this component? I should characterize it electrically. Cheers, -- *** Rodrigo Martins de Matos Ventura <yoda(a)isr.ist.utl.pt> *** Web page: http://www.isr.ist.utl.pt/~yoda *** Teaching Assistant and PhD Student at ISR: *** Instituto de Sistemas e Robotica, Polo de Lisboa *** Instituto Superior Tecnico, Lisboa, PORTUGAL *** PGP fingerprint = 0119 AD13 9EEE 264A 3F10 31D3 89B3 C6C4 60C6 4585

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VCF Requests i.e. liquid and solid fuel (O.T.) White Castle Belly Bombers

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Regarding White Castle Burgers While living in St. Louis in the late 70's there was an article about the origin of the White Castle burger. Square burgers with holes to allow them to cook rapidly, normally cooked with onions. Easily consumed by the dozen since they were about 3" squares. Originally only available in St. Louis, there were a bunch of White Castle fans/fanatics in Arizona who would order a refrigerated tractor trailer full every year and would have a huge bash to consume them. Now they are more widely available. Best with massive quantities of beer after the bars close. Rumored also to stop any chemically induced munchies. Any printout that was generated while you were eating them smelled of onions and grease. Mike Burger biter

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FREE: 2 TI Silent 700 terminals (Austin, TX)

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got two TI Silent 700 terminals with cover / carry cases (one model 765 with the bubble RAM expansion, one standard 745) free here in Austin, TX. I'm getting my ham radio license soon, so some of this stuff has to go to make room for a table full of equipment... If anyone is interested, let me know. I *might* be persuaded to ship these if I cant find local takers. Pictures of the 765 @ http://www.decvax.org/ti Bill -- +-------------------\ /-----------------+ | Bill Bradford | www.sunhelp.org | | mrbill(a)mrbill.net | www.decvax.org | | Austin, Texas USA | www.pdp11.org | +-------------------/ \-----------------+

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Semi-OT: Soldering Iron recommendations

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> wrote: > No, what I mean is go to a hamfest and buy a nice old Weller for $10. I need to go to Hamfests with you more often. Out here, in the wilds of Ohio, I've never seen a working Weller for under $40. I was glad to get my two up to snuff for less than $30 each. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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D'oh! Backup issue solved

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>Novaback, Cheyenne, various versions of Arcada/now-Seagate-Backup or Backup >exec, and a few others as well, work OK on small devices but I've yet to see >one of them even work with a single 8mm tape (10-15 GB capacity), let alone I'm using replica on a HP T20, tehats good enough for my needs. Then again I don't have 100gb of disk unless I total ALL the clients together. I think it's a case of storage out srtipping the 32bit cpus and storage that was only 25gb a year ago and now it's 75gb. I havent a clue how those guys with their terabyte fields of disks (a table full) do it. Allison

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Ni-MH pack topology [semi-OT, I know, sorry...]

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

It's a self resetting fuse like device also there are ICs of the three or even two legged types to monitor battery temperature. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Richard Erlacher <richard(a)idcomm.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, September 01, 2000 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Ni-MH pack topology [semi-OT, I know, sorry...] >Not just semi-OT, Rodrigo! > >Have you considered the possibility that the wierd component might be a >FUSE? > >Proceed with caution. > >Dick > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rodrigo Ventura <yoda(a)isr.ist.utl.pt> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Cc: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> >Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 6:11 PM >Subject: Ni-MH pack topology [semi-OT, I know, sorry...] > > >> >> I was wondering whether anyone here could help me on this one: >> I have a battery pack of a mobile phone I'd like to replace for a set >> of AA Ni-Cad batteries (reason: cheaper!). The mobile phone even has >> the necessary mechanical/electrical pieces necessary for the mobile to >> work with 4 AA batteries. The question is a couple of extra small >> terminals the pack provides. I dismantled the pack and I found out >> that one of them was connected to the pack (-) terminal, and the other >> one was connected to a weird component, which is connected to the (-) >> terminal. My question is: *what* weird component is that? >> >> Some clues: It looks like a common 1N4148 diode: glass >> capsule, two small copper-color cylinders, and something really small >> in between. However, it is not a (common) diode! However, I suspected >> it were a zenner pair (in series, symmetric polarity), and therefore I >> tryed to measure the zenner voltage by connecting the component in >> series with a 1K resistor, to a variable voltage power supply. In >> fact, varying the voltage does not affect the voltage drop across the >> component, remaining at 9.1V. At this time I was pretty sure it was a >> zenner pair, maybe for protection or something like that. >> >> However, the mobile does not charge the batteries (and does >> not recognize their presence) if this component is removed! The mobile >> charger has about 7V (open circuit), so I was expecting the supposedly >> zenner pair to be "open". What I did was to measure the extra pin >> voltage: without the component it measures about 2.5V, *with* the >> component it drops to about 1.2V. So the component cannot be a zenner >> pair. And this was the time I had the idea to post this message... >> >> Thanks for any help/clues/(flames?) given! >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> -- >> >> *** Rodrigo Martins de Matos Ventura <yoda(a)isr.ist.utl.pt> >> *** Web page: http://www.isr.ist.utl.pt/~yoda >> *** Teaching Assistant and PhD Student at ISR: >> *** Instituto de Sistemas e Robotica, Polo de Lisboa >> *** Instituto Superior Tecnico, Lisboa, PORTUGAL >> *** PGP fingerprint = 0119 AD13 9EEE 264A 3F10 31D3 89B3 C6C4 60C6 4585 >> >> >

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Want a nice supercomputer ... ?

by ss＠allegro.com

Re: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=426080142 Well, if you got that Cray, you could park it next to your IBM Series 1: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=424735932 Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

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D'oh! Backup issue solved

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: Richard Erlacher <richard(a)idcomm.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, September 01, 2000 10:03 AM Subject: Re: D'oh! Backup issue solved >It's too bad there's so little functional provision for backups under the >currently popular OS'. > >Dick ???! Last I checked all of MSPOOGE dos/win3x/win9x/nt has a backup, as do linux and freebsd. Which ones are you referring too? Allison

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Want a nice supercomputer ... ?

by pat＠transarc.ibm.com

Check this out ... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=426080142 --Pat.

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Semi-OT: Soldering Iron recommendations

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 31, Tony Duell wrote: > > I'm thinking I want a WES50 Weller Soldering Station, as it looks like a > > good balance between cheapness and high-end. Of course anything would be a > > While I can't comment on that particular model, I'd certainly go for a > Weller. I'm still using one of their Magnastat TCP irons, and it's never > given me any problems. Yes, I have a TCP here too...I got it fifteen years ago, and it was old then! It has yet to give me any trouble...and for such a simple mechanism, the temperature control works very well! Kudos to Weller for making such an indestructible tool. -Dave McGuire

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D'oh! Backup issue solved

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

<arrgh> Sometimes, the best answers are the most obvious. You may remember that, not long ago, I posted a blurb about having trouble backing up an old MFM drive in a 1990-vintage datascope. Specifically, that it's non-DOS format and on a proprietary controller. As I was copying the manuals for a different datascope this afternoon, the answer hit me like a lightning bolt, prompted by noticing that the pages I was copying at the time had to do with backing up the hard drive in a Digilog unit. "Maybe" I mused "the Interview 7500 has the same capability." Well, guess what? It did! It was not obvious because it was labeled "Copy Disk" instead of "Backup hard drive," but it most definitely allowed selecting the hard drive as the source and the floppy as the destination. Three 1.44 meg floppies later, I not only had a backup copy of the datascope's OS, but I also had it archived with Teledisk into long-term storage. The moral of the story is: If you run into a hard-drive operated datascope, or any other special device that has its own drive, never assume that said device has no backup routine of its very own! ;-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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free for postage: SONY GDM-1601/1602 service manual

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

At 02:28 01-09-2000 -0700, you wrote: >Email replies only. Oooh! Oooh! If no one else has claimed it, I will! Thanks! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Attn: Hams! Need help with CW/RTTY software for C64 or Apple II

by nerdware＠laidbak.com

Hi, gang. Over the weekend, I picked up an old audio-to-TTL or RS-232 interface at a hamfest (AEA CP-1, for those of you who know what it is....) with joystick-port TTL cable, but no RS-232 components installed. (That might be a project for later, since I have the book/schemo/parts list). I want to use either one of my C-64's or one of my IIe's with the interface, but I lack the necessary software. Since we all love old software, and I know several of us are hams, I figured this would be as good a place as any to start looking. If I can't find anything, I'll try installing the RS-232 components to the motherboard and see if I can get a regular serial port to work and try it on my pc. But I'd really rather use the older machines for this. CW receive/decode is a priority, since I can still send with a paddle, and I'd like to try decoding some RTTY if possible. Can anyone help? Thanks. Paul Braun WD9GCO Cygnus Productions nerdware_nospam(a)laidbak.com

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Semi-OT: Soldering Iron recommendations

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

I'm still running a wTCP60, with ground. It's the one I bought back in '79 I think. I have two the other one is older and worn but it did build the Altair, and can vote and drink in all states! Allison > Yes, I have a TCP here too...I got it fifteen years ago, and it was >old then! It has yet to give me any trouble...and for such a simple >mechanism, the temperature control works very well! Kudos to Weller >for making such an indestructible tool. > > -Dave McGuire

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VAX/VMS V5.5-2 Memory Requirements

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 11:52 PM Subject: Re: VAX/VMS V5.5-2 Memory Requirements >Well, since part of the trick is keeping this as original as possible, I'm >pretty much torn on what to do about drives. I've got three choices. > >The system came with a RQDX3 and RD53, as the RD53 is dead I could add a >RD54. Or I could go with a WQESD and either a 150MB or 380MB ESDI drive. >Or a Viking SCSI controller and a RZ25 (with probably a RZ23L for swap). Of >the three I think I like the RD54 and the SCSI solutions best. The SCSI has >the advantage of being able to do away with the TK50 for loading the system. RQDX isn't slow just that MFM drives runs at the same data rate as eithernet which is not fast. SCSI if you have it is faster, ESDI then MFM. Two RQDX3s running two drives is MUCH faster than one RQDX3 running two spindles(err drives). Expereince has proven that. >Also as I understand it moving off of the RQDX3 is the single best thing I >can do to improve system performance. I gather the RQDX3 is only about True. >Oh, the trying to keep it as original as possible means I'm being foolish >and limiting myself to the BA23 with the crippled 5-slot backplane, instead >of replacing the backplane with the 8-slot spare I've got. I've never >claimed this is a rational project :^) so I'll probably go the RQDX3/RD54 >route at least to start. Suit yourself. I have a std BA23 and a 123 and if I had a choice I'd run two ba123s for perfomance and cooling reasons. >Who knows when I get bored I may pull the VAXstation II/GPX carcass out of >storage and see just how far I can soup it up compared to the >VAXstation II/RC :^) Start with two RQDX3s rather than one or better yet CMD scsi. Pack it with ram 16mb for MVII. Allison

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VCF Requests i.e. liquid and solid fuel

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- "Charles P. Hobbs (SoCalTip)" <transit(a)lerctr.org> wrote: > > White Castle. Ugh, filthy things. > > I've heard those called "murder burgers". When they hit your stomach, > it was murder... Sliders. Gut Busters. Gut Bombs. Rat Burgers. You get the picture. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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