- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by nerdware＠laidbak.com

Hi, group. The surplus shop where I spend all my spare time got a box full of HP-UX cd's in and we have no need for them. IIRC, there are Core OS plus extensions and patches along with apps for at least Version 10.x and 9.x, plus some miscellaneous. They're all labeled for an HP9000 series 700 or 800. Anybody need these before we pitch 'em? If you need more specifics, I can get them for you Monday night. Thanks. Paul Braun WD9GCO Cygnus Productions nerdware_nospam(a)laidbak.com "A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog without a bunch of bricks tied to its head."

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HP-UX discs available

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

Paul, I have a number of HP 9000 minicomupters and could certainly use the CDs. Thanks, Steve <steven_j_robertson(a)hotmail.com> >From: "Paul Braun" Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: >classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: HP-UX discs available Date: Wed, 21 Feb >2001 22:21:09 -0600 > >Hi, group. > >The surplus shop where I spend all my spare time got a box full of HP-UX >cd's in and we have no need for them. > >IIRC, there are Core OS plus extensions and patches along with apps for at >least Version 10.x and 9.x, plus some miscellaneous. They're all labeled >for an HP9000 series 700 or 800. > >Anybody need these before we pitch 'em? If you need more specifics, I can >get them for you Monday night. > >Thanks. > > > > >Paul Braun WD9GCO Cygnus Productions nerdware_nospam(a)laidbak.com > >"A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog without a >bunch of bricks tied to its head." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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OT: Paging Bruce Lane

by jpl15＠panix.com

Sorry for the tiny OT gang: Bruce, drop me a line... mail me -> you seems to be barfing. Cheerz John

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You may be a geek if.

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

> > 1. You have ever sent E-mail to someone sitting next to you. > > 2. You have ever modified a Windows reg file, ini file, or Linux init >script. > > 3. You would sell your Grandmother for more bandwidth. > > 4. You get up at 3 A.M. to go to the bathroom and stop to check your E-mail >on your way back to bed. > > 5. You start tilting your head sideways to smile. > > 6. You've entered a DSL or Cable Modem contest so many times you get e-mail >saying "Forget it, Mike you are not going to win, just go buy the modem". > > 7. You know what the DSL or Cable Modems are and how they work. > > 8. You have ever dozed off while at the computer. > > 9. You have ever E-mailed yourself. > >10. The tech support folks at your ISP call YOU for the tough ones. > >11. You write and debug Windows applications on you Palm. > >12. You have more than one version of an operating system, or more than one >operating system on your machine. > >13. You have ever submitted a patch to LinuxKernal.org. > >14. You have ever chatted with someone while talking to him or her on the >phone. > >15. You are surprised that there are other real foods besides pizza. > >16. You have invested in a coffee plantation. > >17. You have more computer CD's than music CD's. > >18. You had no Idea that music came on CD's. >

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Adopted -- PC Convertible 5140

by rsdowns＠attglobal.net

Addressed to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org "Richard A. Cini" <rcini(a)optonline.net> ** Reply to note from "Richard A. Cini" <rcini(a)optonline.net> Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:05:17 -0500 Rich, I've got one of those. Mine came with PC-DOS 3.2. The options are: thermal printer, printer cable (only needed to separate the printer from the stack of "slices"), internal modem (1200 bps max), CRT display adapter (functions same as the PC CGA adapter), mono and color displays with a bracket to hold the monitor above the system, serial/parallel adapter, auto power adapter, and battery charger. IBM called the external adapters "function modules", but most people called them "slices". It came with some special software: an application selector (open apps by F-key), Notewriter, Schedule (with reminders and alarms), Phone List (with dialer), Calculator (4 function, 1 memory with M+, M-, MR, MC). Also System Tools: Sys Profile (sets display options, power options, internal modem options) and a front-end for several DOS disk and file commands. Was an interesting machine in its day. Dick

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VAX 3100

by KenzieM＠sympatico.ca

Well I checked the password for root, and even created a new account. When Ultrix-32 boots up I get the login box, I enter the password, the screen blanks and a second latter the login box is back. When I tried the new account, (created without password) it does the same thing. There is no message about wrong password. Where should I look next to determine why I keep getting sent back to the login? Is there an easy way to get around the GUI login to the command line?

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classiccmp-digest V1 #516

by william.webb＠juno.com

> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:53:54 +0000 > From: Paul Williams <flo(a)rdel.co.uk> > Subject: Re: VMS 4.4 source code on microfiche > > Dan Veeneman wrote: > > > > My question is, was DEC in the habit of selling or > > distributing their OS source code to third parties? > > > > If I recall correctly, VMS was written (mostly) in BLISS, but > > since my microfiche reader is still in storage I can't confirm > > the contents of these sheets. > Here's the word from the OpenVMS FAQ: http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.txt ------------------------------------------------------------ VMS8. In what language is OpenVMS written? OpenVMS is written in a wide variety of languages. In no particular order, OpenVMS components are implemented using Bliss, Macro, Ada, PLI, VAX and DEC C, Fortran, UIL, VAX and Alpha SDL, Pascal, MDL, DEC C++, DCL, Message, and Document. And this is certainly not a complete list. However, the rumor is NOT true that an attempt was made to write pieces of OpenVMS in every supported language so that the Run-Time Libraries could not be unbundled. (APL, BASIC, COBOL and RPG are just some of the languages NOT represented!) There are a large variety of small and not-so-small tools and DCL command procedures that are used as part of the OpenVMS build, and a source code control system capable of maintaining over a hundred thousand source files across multiple parallel development projects, and overlapping releases. ------------------------------------------------------------ And what you've got are source LISTINGS, not source CODE. You can't compile them and come up with workable VMS. I think that I once read that historically, compiling and linking the newest version of VMS usually takes a full weekend on the fastest machine available. ============================== William W. Webb, EDS, c/o USPS CMF/OSS/MS 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616 919 874 3043 > The company I work for used to get these, so I have a box of the > same > fiches. I don't think we ever _used_ them, though. > > My main use for it has been to extract the parsing tables for DSR > (Digital Standard Runoff), in order to write a program to accurately > convert Runoff documents to HTML. > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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You may be a geek if.

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>252KB/minute. What is the audio length of a vinyl? I'm not sure, but if >we make a nice round 60 minute, then we're looking at about 15meg. assume 30minutes a side is the high end. > >duplex. LProms would be a read-only system. Also, the figure of 33300bps >is based on a modem audio resolution of 2400baud. I don't know the audio 300 baud was hard to do! bandwidth extends to in excess of 15khz but, the signal to noise level is poor. >Next up, we look at the modulation/demodulation to use. We'll want a >compression that takes best advantage of the medium. (I suspect v.42 is >not it!). Lastly, LP's are stereo - so that either immediately doubles >our capacity (assuming L and R can be kept 100% independant. If they can't >be guaranteed to be kept seperate, then I'm sure capacity could still be >increased by using L and R as checksums against each other or something ;) No do able as L & R signals are sum and differenced running around 25-30db under best conditions. So there will always be some of the other channel present in the other. >Problems with LProms are quality of reading - you run a very real risk >of bitrot if your needle is of poor quality. Also, you'll need some >way to sync the end of sideA with the start of sideB - there is some >data loss there. (this could probably be kept to a minimum by using the >leadin/leadout areas :) Stylus is a small part of the story, the Vinyl wears, deforms from actual use, and pressing errors. Leadin/out are not a real factor compared to the actual cuts. Records suffer from: Wow, slow variations in speed. Flutter, fast variation in speed Noise, both hiss and pop distortion both in phase and waveform. These vary from pressing to pressing and decay with use of the master. The quality of the base is important (hiss and pop noise). Also the acutal recording and transscription process prior to cutting the master can introduce artifacts. I still have a rather extensive collection of records from the pre-Altair era and have invested in keeping my Yamaha running as it can. You had to be very careful to keep a some 30+ year old copy of Iron Butterfly listenable. >So, did I have an answer in all that? I'm pretty sure you'd get 15meg on >a vinyl easily, and could quadruple that figure with a bit of effort :) With modern DSP technology better is possible but there are far newer technologies that are proven. Allison

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by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>I seem to recall way back when seeing magazines with "floppy" plastic >records in them that you'd play into your computers tape jack to load the >software. ISTR something for the TRS-80 Model I and the KIM-1.... It was tried by Interface Age, Robert Uterwick's (SP?) Floppy rom was a 6800 based basic and there was an 8080 accounting package. They relied on the then standard or easily assembled Kansas city standard (300 baud redundant FM) as the modulation and then applied the "tape File" standards appropriate to the cpu/monitor in question. They were 33-1/3rpm small diameter formats (sound sheets). Allison

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A) Hooray for SOLace 2.2 & B) Type 'n Talk power supply needed

by r.stek＠snet.net

A) Stop everything and run over to http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/solace/solace.html and download Jim Battle's newest update to the best emulator in the world. This guy is amazing! Now you play and record virtual cassette tapes on your emulated SOL. It's the next best thing to having a non-emulated Sol - <g>! B) I finally found a Votrax Type n' Talk after a search of several months (and refusal to overpay on eBay), but when I received it today, I found that it lacks the power supply - a cute little thing with a 5-pin DIN plug supplying 26 VAC, 180 ma on pins 1 and 3, 20 V DC 50 ma on pin 2 and pin 4 is 0 volt reference. Not exactly something I can whip up in a hurry., Sooo... does anyone have an "extra" unit they would like to trade - either the power supply or both pieces. And if so, what might you be looking for? Thanks. Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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Pictures of first Dutch computer collectors meeting available

by kees.stravers＠iae.nl

Fellow collectors, It gives me great pleasure to let you know that the first meeting of computer collectors in The Netherlands was a great success. We have our own mailing list in the Dutch language, cvml(a)egroups.com, and on this list the plan grew for the members to actually meet in person and bring some nice computers to show to fellow collectors and tell stories about them. A venue was found in Rotterdam and last saturday it all happened. Not too many people visited, but those that did had a great time, and in about half a year another meeting will be held. Pictures of the first meeting can be seen at http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/cm/cvml/index.html and http://www.xs4all.nl/~rimmer/cvml/meeting_index.html Kees.

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Nubus (was CC-40)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

No, I wasn't saying it *used* nubus, only that it uses a similar kind of connector, sorry for the confusion. I highly doubt it uses nubus. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Fixing VT220s

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

> This is a common 'stock fault' with these units, and seems to always be I was hoping that was the case :-) Seems like a lot of 80's display hardware have common ways of failing. > caused by bad contacts at the horizontal hold preset. I've lost count of > the number I have fixed by the following procedure... yep - that was exactly the problem - I found that out more by accident than anything before reading your reply :) I pulled the case off and just went to tweak the horizontal hold pot to see what effect it had on the display (to try to track down the fault a bit further) and the display choked into life as soon as I touched it. now I just need to make a suitable comms lead, I seem to have lost all of mine :) cheers Jules --

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You may be a geek if.

by John.Allain＠Donnelley.InfoUSA.Com

>contraption which recorded on Punch Cards Spools of Wire Magnetized Cardboard Photosensitive Film Clear plastic disks Audio Cassettes VHS Cassettes encased 1/2 size CDR's ...Fluidic Logic Gates . . . . I think this thread mainly illustrates (with great examples, THANKS) the difference between what's feasible and what's marketable. Let's face it, a good engineer can get anything to do anything else but when its' considered a success is when a million or more people can do it with a single push of a button. (And for less than a weeks salary). John A. (check out the price of those VidLP's Yike)

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Boot disk

by wschoppe＠suffolk.lib.ny.us

Sirs: Adrian Graham at the Online Computer Museum recommended I contact your group to try to locate a disk for my Compaq Portable 3. I realize it falls into the dinosaur category but someone gave it to me and the challenge of getting it operational was too much to bear. When it finishes counting all 640K of memory, it reminds me to use a setup disk or hit "F1". When I do that, it mentions there is a non-system or bad disk. Then the message keeps repeating when trying various type of DOS disks I have. I have the feeling Compaq uses something like DOS but I have none of those OS disks. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Bob Schoppe

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Nubus (was CC-40)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

What kind of an HP 1000 uses those? Must be an A-series, the M/E/F machines certainly don't... The 9000/800 series certainly do, can't speak for earlier systems.. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Info on TI CC-40

by vcf＠siconic.com

This is what Wayne Lafitte (the guy selling the TI CC-40 units) told me about the product. He was a marketing manager at TI and he was responsible for the CC-40. "This product was manufactured out of Lubbock, Texas in 1982-1983 timeframe. There were only a few thousand 6K CC40s made and only a few hundred 18K CC40s made. The wafertape (stringy floppy) met it's end early on because of compatibility issues between units. These didn't make it past the prototype stage (very few made). Most of the cartridges were developed from the software libraries created for the TI59 and TI58 hand held programmable calculators. The 18K CC40s were made to support the industrial markets and VARs, but really didn't take off. If you remember, the IBM PCs came out in 1983, the Hewlett Packard hand held programmable calculators, and Texas Instruments fiasco with the TI99/4 home computer pretty much killed this product. By the way, a new hand held calculator (the TI88) was being prototyped at the same time as the CC40. The TI88 was a very neat little replacement for the TI59 but the product was cancelled before it was put in production because the CC40 was believed to be better. In my opinion, that was a mistake. "The CC40 products were mainly sold through TI employee sales stores and never really reached the consumer market. There were a few VAR customers." Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Emulex woes

by oliv555＠arrl.net

Well the RD52 in my 11/83 died, only the second failure for this box in over 12 years. Tried to use the UC07 board (out of a mVax) to instal a SCSI drive but can't get the 11/83 to recognize it, let alone format. Anyone had success in using this board with the PDP11? I've set the address to 172154 as the M7555 is still onboard to allow the rx33 as the boot device. Will the DEC diags format the SCSI (i expect not)? Thanks ........ nick o

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Boot disk

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated Tue, 20 Feb 2001 4:11:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, "wschoppe" <wschoppe(a)suffolk.lib.ny.us> writes: << Sirs: Adrian Graham at the Online Computer Museum recommended I contact your group to try to locate a disk for my Compaq Portable 3. I realize it falls into the dinosaur category but someone gave it to me and the challenge of getting it operational was too much to bear. When it finishes counting all 640K of memory, it reminds me to use a setup disk or hit "F1". When I do that, it mentions there is a non-system or bad disk. Then the message keeps repeating when trying various type of DOS disks I have. I have the feeling Compaq uses something like DOS but I have none of those OS disks. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Bob Schoppe >> Although I don't personally have one, I believe you should be able to use a dos disk. The only caveat being I am pretty sure only has a 720k drive. If you can find a 720k disk, format it and put your favorite dos's system files on it and then try it. It may sound funny, but I just recently ran into the exact same problem with a GRiDcase 3. Works like a charm now :-) -Linc Fessenden

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Emulex woes

by itq＠hetnet.nl

Nick Replacing an RD52 is not such a big problem. Just take a ST251 drive or another MFM drive from an old PC and format it with your M7555 using XXDP utility ZRQCH0. Wim ---------- > Van: no <oliv555(a)arrl.net> > Aan: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Onderwerp: Emulex woes > Datum: dinsdag 20 februari 2001 17:26 > > Well the RD52 in my 11/83 died, only the second failure for this box > in over 12 years. Tried to use the UC07 board (out of a mVax) to instal > a SCSI drive but can't get the 11/83 to recognize it, let alone format. > > Anyone had success in using this board with the PDP11? I've set the > address to 172154 as the M7555 is still onboard to allow the rx33 as > the boot device. Will the DEC diags format the SCSI (i expect not)? > > Thanks ........ nick o

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HP Entria

by vaxman＠qwest.net

Greetings and Happy Daytona 500 to all, Yesterday, at the CU auction, I picked up a 'HP Entria' model number "C3232A"... >From what I can find on the web this is a color Xterminal. On the bottom it says "color - Maximum Resolution 1280x1024"... BNC (10base2), RJ45 (10baseT), serial, parallel, mouse, keyboard, HD15 video connector. Does anyone have a power supply (20VAC, 2Amp, 4 pin rectangular plug)? Any information? Does this require a code load from the host, or is the code resident? Is the HD15 connector SVGA? Thanks, clint PS I'll accept offers if someone wants to buy it also... It's pretty small and light so shipping shouldn't be outrageous...

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Wisconin area collectors wanted for media story

by vcf＠siconic.com

Stefanie Scott is seeking out Wisconsin area collectors for an article she's writing for the Post-Crescent. Please contact her directly at <sscott(a)smgpo.gannett.com>. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Fixing VT220s

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

Hi, I've got a VT200 here that's having display problems - vertically everything seems fine but the display is garbled horizontally. Any ideas what to check for? Might be a common fault with these things?? cheers Jules --

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Using UK equipment in US (long)

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

Thanks to everyone for responding. Please see my embedded comments below. > >A friend will soon be receiving a TC2048 made by Timex of Portugal which he > >wants to use in the US. Replacing the DC ps is no problem, but the > composite > > video out was designed for a 50 Hz PAL TV. My error, it's TV RF out. > >What's the best way to hook a US TV or monitor up to this beast? > > What connectors does it have? To my knowledge just RF out. > There used to be a mod for the UK 48k Spectrum to convert > it's RF-out to a composite signal that could be viewed on US > composite monitors. I'll have to poke around and see if I still have > it somewhere. It may at least provide ideas on how to do a similar > thing to the 2048. Jeff, this would be very helpful. I believe the TC2048 is a 48K Spectrum is a different package. > That depends on what how much you object to modifying the machine... Well . . . I think the owner would prefer not to but I'll pass along your suggestions. > If you don't mind modifications : > It should be possible to tap off composite video at the input to the > modulator can. Sure, that's how my ZX81 is set up. > It'll still be UK standard (50Hz vertical) but many > composite mono monitors will display that if you tweak the verical hold > knob. Thanks, that's very helpful. > Am I correct in assuming that this is a monochrome output machine > anyway, so the colour encoding differences (NTSC .vs. PAL) are irrelevant? As stated above it's a 48K Speccy in sheep's clothing, so it *is* color. > I believe some Timex/Sinclair machines have links you can move to select > various video formats (although does this also involve a ROM change?) Tony, you are correct in that the ZX81 and TS1000 pcb had various traces labeled "US," "UK," "FR," etc. but I doubt the TC2048 does (since the Spectrum didn't). No ROM change is required. > You > might be able to get it to output 60Hz vertical video. And replace the > modulator with a US-standard VHF one (UK machines have a UHF TV output). > But you're now starting to seriously modify the machine. Hmm, probably not acceptable to the owner. BTW many ZX81s sold in the US (including the outrageously expensive kits offered by Zebra) shipped with UHF RF modulators. > If you want to keep it original, you need to get a UK-standard TV. > They're trivial to get over here (including quite small ones -- 5" and 9" > CRT models exist, 12" and 14" are common). Maybe one could be shipped > over to the States... Probably the best solution. See below. > He said a TC2048. I wonder if he meant 2068, which *is* colour, unfortunately. Cameron, you might be confusing the TC2068 and the TS2068. > It seems that most American TVs are not PAL friendly. I wonder why it's so > much easier to get an NTSC/PAL set in the rest of the world than it is here. Think about that question for a moment and ask yourself if you *really* want to know the answer ;>} > If they had access to a video card such as ATI's > All-In-Wonder that provide for both inputs and outputs, it should be > possible to input a PAL signal and dispaly it on an NTSC screen, > though they could also just view the input in a window on thier > screen as well. Jeff, great idea! Thanks! > I use a Formac ProTV and can view PAL on that (makes sense, since Formac > is a German company :-) And thanks to you too, Cameron. By pure coincidence I'm spending a week in Germany next month, attending the annual meeting of ZX-TEAM, the last active ZX81 user group. I could bring back a small color TV for my friend to use with the TC2048. Glen 0/0

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Nubus (was CC-40)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Bwhahaha, no way would they work in a 1500, the nubus in a 1500 uses card edge connectors, versus those nasty plastic thingies on apple nubus.. I know, since I own a 1500.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Solace, the Sol computer emulator, version 2.2

by frustum＠pacbell.net

I've just released version 2.2 of my Sol computer emulator, Solace. Besides fixing a few bugs and making a few minor improvements, I've added support for what I call Sol Virtual Tapes. These are human- readable ASCII files that contain the state of a tape. Just like a real Sol, two tape drives are supported, and files can be recorded at 1200 baud or 300 baud. Check out the whizzy user interface for the virtual tapes: http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/solace/solace_tape.html I'm quite confident that I spent more time working on the interface than anybody will ever spend actually using it. But that wasn't the point of doing it anyway. Here are the release notes for Solace: http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/solace/relnotes.txt Here is the link to the main Solace web page: http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/solace/solace.html Here is the link to the main Sol web page: http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/sol.html I've heard that Solace runs on Linux under the Wine (Win32 emulation) interface, and it also runs on a Mac via the RealPC emulator program (yes, an emulator on an emulator). Now I have no reason to port it. A few people have sent me items for the Sol archive which have been waiting in line behind Solace, and I hope to get them online soon. After that, the next step for Solace is emulation of a couple Northstar disk drives... As always, suggestions, bug reports, and donations of items for the Sol archive are welcomed. If anybody with a Helios system can grab the ROM image from their personality module, and more than that, can dump the contents of a bootable disk, I'll add support for that disk system too. Bob Stek was great and sent me source listings for PT DOS, but I can't see myself OCRing and correcting 200+ pages of source code any time soon. ----- Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net

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Tek XD88 - current status & thanks

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

Well, lots of progress yesterday - I managed to read the entirety of the old Tek hard drive on a modern PC using dd and an Adaptec controller - no idea why the controller should make a difference (my other PC SCSI card doesn't like the drive, and nor does the Tek's own controller) Better still, I dumped the raw disk image onto another drive and put that into the Tek, fully expecting it not to work - but it did! A big thanks to those on the list that offered advice - looks like I might be able to revive this thing :) (see my separate posting about filesystem checks) cheers Jules ps. the ROM-based diags reckon there's 64MB of memory in this thing and 16MB of framebuffer - I'm not ready to believe that yet, but it'd be nice :-) --

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Santee swap meet wrapup

by spectre＠stockholm.ptloma.edu

Well, I didn't have enough money for the Mac 512K because I went and picked up a Texas Instruments Compact Computer 40, mint in box, with plotter also mint in box. Everything works. Anyone out there familiar with these? I have all the manuals, but I'm just curious what uses people have found for them. Neat device, resembles a TS 1500, 31-character 1 line LCD screen. -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- Where there's a will, there's a probate. -----------------------------------

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ID this Heath/Zenith drive

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Today I found an external 3 1/2" floppy drive made by Heath/Zenith. It has a tiny connector on it. It's similar to the micro-SCSI connectors but only has 20 contacts. There is no separate power connector. Does anyone know what this is made to be used with? Joe

25 years, 6 months

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Sun SPARCstation 2

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 15, Jeff Hellige wrote: > The most base Amiga 1000's have just 256k of RAM and a single > 880k floppy and require two steps to boot the OS (loading Kickstart > off of the 1st floppy and then reading Workbench off of the second) > and will happily run off of that single floppy, even allowing you to > swap it out for whatever application disk you want to use. This with > full GUI, sound and all the other nifty things that go along with > using an Amiga. I no longer recall what the exact size of the > A1000's Kickstart is but nearly all remaining machines (with the > exception of a softkicked A3000) had the Kickstart in ROM. Of > course, there was also the Atari ST line that had it's GEM-based TOS > totally ROM based and ran well in less than 1meg of RAM, though I've > never thought their graphics capabilities were on par with the Amiga. Amigas rock. A solid operating system with preemptive multitasking and a GUI in 256K of RAM on a floppy-based system...Amazing! Why can't Microsoft get it right with thousands of programmers, 800+MHz processors, hundreds of megabytes of RAM, and gigabytes of disk space? -Dave McGuire

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Silly Apple IIc question

by archer＠topnow.com

Is there a command from BASIC or such that formats the floppy disk on an Apple IIc? There appears to be a way to do it -- rather convoluted -- in assembly. But with no assembler worth mentioning... Thanks for any clues. -- Ross

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Using UK equipment in US

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

A friend will soon be receiving a TC2048 made by Timex of Portugal which he wants to use in the US. Replacing the DC ps is no problem, but the composite video out was designed for a 50 Hz PAL TV. What's the best way to hook a US TV or monitor up to this beast? Thanks, Glen 0/0

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Tatung Einstein disks

by PeksaDO＠Cardiff.ac.uk

I've had a Tatung Einstein for some time but have no OS to use with it. Anyone have Xtal/DOS (correct?) for the Einstein - I've a few spare blank 2nd. user 3.0" disks (ten or more) to swap for the 3.0" disk(s) supplied with the Einstein. Doug.

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Nubus (was CC-40)

by frustum＠pacbell.net

At 01:44 PM 2/19/01 -0500, James B. DiGriz wrote: >On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > > > > > > Hey I've got a CC40, maybe I better start paying attention. > > > > Someone on the Vintage Macs list said that TI invented NuBus. True? > > > > > >It was originally developed at the MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, >around '73 or so, I think. There was a consortium of some kind formed later to >commercialize it, of which TI, Apple, and others were members. The TI >S1500 and Explorer series were NuBus machines. I designed a card for Nubus that never made it to market (it was an accelerator card for doing OCR) back about 1991 or so. My recollection was also that it came from MIT, TI adopted it, then when the open Macs came out they adopted the bus. Heresay was that at the last minute the standard card size was changed because Apple already had worked up a machine and somebody got the dimensions wrong by 1/8" or something, so they changed the standard rather than retooling their product. >What I'd like to know is how compatible the Mac NuBus is with the >S1500 implementation. That is, can you take Mac NuBus cards and use them >in an S1500, given Unix drivers for them?... One feature that I recall was that was in the standard that Apple ignored was that the test and initialization code that came on each card was to be written in interpreted FORTH in order to make the cards more portable to different machines. ----- Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net

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Advice need - clean 8K PET keyboard

by cbajpai＠mediaone.net

I just got an 8K PET with the chiclet keyboard...which after 20+ years needs a good cleaning. Most keys workfine, some are intermittent, some don't work. How does one go about cleaning a 20+ year old keyboard? Also...is it easy to replace keytops? Anybody out there with a spare chiclet keyboard? Thanks, Chandra

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Wanted: VAX 750 in central NJ

by azog＠azog.org

I recently moved into a new place that has plenty of room, so thinking to myself, what better to get than a VAX 750? So I'm considering looking for a (hopefully working) 750 in central NJ area.

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Silly Apple IIc question

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/19/01 7:46:19 AM Central Standard Time, archer(a)topnow.com writes: << Is there a command from BASIC or such that formats the floppy disk on an Apple IIc? There appears to be a way to do it -- rather convoluted -- in assembly. But with no assembler worth mentioning... Thanks for any clues. >> depends. if you use dos 3.3, you use INIT HELLO from a command line. if you use prodos, you have to run the system utilities disk and choose the relevant option.

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FS: VAXStation 2000 w/Ultrix installed

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

This thing boots Ultrix, has an RD54 (noisy), and the "system shelf" bottom. There is a third party memory expansion board it in it (10MB total I believe) First offer over $20 takes it, otherwise its best offer by 5PM PST Monday evening. Its FOB Sunnyvale, CA. --Chuck

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Corvus?

by optimus＠canit.se

While going through the manuals for a Stride 460 last night, I finally discovered what the LAN port was for - Omninet (Corvus). I know of exactly one other machine with Omninet- the Research Machines Nimbus. Was this network widespread once? What kind of topology did it employ? Are there NICs for any other computers, perhaps even PCs? Any information is welcome. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6. The object of this game is to take an ordinary guy and make him into a Pimp Master. You start off in your home town.You'll gradually build up cash and prostitutes,until you wipe out the other pimps in town. Then,it's time to move on to another,bigger city,and do the same. Pimpin' ain't easy, upcoming game from Delsyd Software

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Fwd: Naked Mini Broke

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Ok... Just when you've heard everything! This guy could use some help, and while I've got a similar machine in the collection, I've got *zip* information on so probably can't be of much help. Anyone else give him (and the space program) a hand? -jim >From: "King, Gary E" <KingGE(a)usano.ksc.nasa.gov> >To: "'jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com'" <jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com> >Subject: Naked Mini Broke >Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:30:18 -0500 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) >X-Status: >X-Keywords: > >Dear Computer Garage, > >I'm a tech at United Space Alliance in Cape Canaveral Florida. I have a >Computer Automation LSI 2 computer that doesn't boot up and I'm not sure >why. We use this computer to run automated tests on the space shuttle Ku >band comm systems and need to get it fixed fairly quickly. Can you help? if >so, drop me a line and we'll see if we can work something out. > >Gary King jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174 The 'computergarage.org' domain is currently offline. Current web site and email shown above

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HP Entria

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/18/01 5:02:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: > . I think the power supply is > the same as that used for some of the HP printers and other devices. It's > 20 VAC with a center tap and one ground wire. I don't have the pin out but > you can open it up and find out quickly by looking at which leads go to the > retifier diodes. > > > I bought some of the 20V wallwarts from HP directly and they were about $5.00 each, new. I bet this was because they used them forever. Paxton

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Epson HX-20 has faulty display

by Garrett.Holthaus＠colorado.edu

Hello, I collect old (relatively speaking) computers, and I recently acquired an Epson HX-20 laptop. It worked fine for a while, but now the display has some problems. It looks like maybe the display driver is refreshing the screen improperly--I see a bunch of flickering vertical lines. After the computer has been off for a while, when I turn it on the display works fine for about a minute, and then goes bad. Does anyone know what's wrong with the unit, or where I can get a schematic? Thanks, Garrett

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Sparc2...FAILURE: No Trap Taken, Exp Trap Type - 00000009...Solved...simms in wrong banks...now more questions...

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Ok so it was the RAM in the wrong simms sockets. Someone had pulled so simms and what was left (32M) was not in bank starting at 0.... Found out the proper bank scheme in the Sun hardware faq...(lots of reading again...less time with wife and kid....) Now system starts up and tests memory. Reports 48 Megs (added 16 Megs so all normal) but tests just one? Why? So now I can get in the diags and stuff.... But more questions...(maybe ill answer these by myself again...) I have a type5 keyboard and a Mouse Systems Sun Mouse 370-1170-01 But system reports it cant identify the keyboard. I used a MAC/Apple serial cable to connect the kayboard. Leds blink for a second when system turned on but after then I cant toogle the leds on the keyboard keys by pressing the Caps Lock and Scroll Lock etc...keys... What about going a bit further with this? What should I attempt to run on this? You can suppose Ill find 4 more 4M/30pin/parity Simms somewhere here and end up with 64M...(not found yet but looking...) I think 3 chip simms wont work correct? Should I try? Or just hopeless? Also I think the frame buffer is a GX (?) Ill build an adapter for a VGA/SVGA monitor when I find a 3W13 connector somewhere here.... Anyone? Claude Canuk Computer Collector http://computer_collector.tripod.com al Message ----- From: Claude.W To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 9:31 AM Subject: Help me? Sun newbie with non-booting Sparc2...FAILURE: No Trap Taken, Exp Trap Type - 00000009 I am reposting this cause I never got it back so I guess it never made it for some reason... Hi Well I found one, I had been asking for one on the list and got no real offers so I went out to this place and found a sun sparc 2 for $20 canadian as-is. I know it not fast but still...its a sun... Looked complete but was very dirty. Cleaned it off now very nice.... Unit is a SunSparc 2 model 147. Had a floppy, HD Maxtor LXT213SY (200 Megs I guess...), and what looks like 8 X Simms of I am not sure how many megs...nothing hacked or missing... Video card (yup one in there) is a Sun Microsystems S4LEGO (?) I tried hooking up a type5 keyboard I had lying around and a Sun mouse...Keyboard leds lite up and power on and I get a beep but after that...cap lock and other leds will not toogle on/off with pressed...so... I did not have a monitor or adapter to connect a monitor to the frame buffer so... After reading for quite a while in the sun faqs I removed the frame buffer and connected a Wyse60 to serial port A and got: (well at least something' coming out of the serial port...) WARNING : Unable to determine keyboard type FAILURE: No Trap Taken, Exp Trap Type - 00000009 I have repaired lots of logic and computer boards for many years at the component level but know close to nothing about Suns...any help appreciated.... If you can tell me more about this, it would be appreciated... This will be much faster getting answers from someone than reading through tons of Sun hardware faqs I guess... Claude Canuk Computer Collector http://computer_collector.tripod.com

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Sun SPARCstation 2

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se> >CP/M and DOS don't even have GUIs. =? Yep, saves space and runs like the wind. >The QNX demo is of course interesting, but won't run on a 4 MB machine, since >it is heavily compressed on that floppy and needs to unpack into RAM. So, you want everything? ;) the only thing I know that has a gui and can run in 4mb (barely ) is non-PS (VMS/Decwindows). You still need at least 80mb of disk though. I've heard the Amiga or one of the other commies had a real neat rommed OS that had graphic primitives. Allison

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On the topic of old Suns...

by optimus＠canit.se

There's been some talk about old Suns recently, and I thought this might be interesting. It's a download of SunOS 4.1.1, available at http://sun3arc.krupp.net/. Mind you, they seem awfully suspicious. Why so interested in my identd? -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6. /"\ \ / ASCII Ribbon X Campaign Against / \ HTML Mail!

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VMS 4.4 source code on microfiche

by dan＠ekoan.com

Hello folks, While cleaning out a storage box I came across a padded envelope that contains 536 sheets of microfiche perporting to be the source code for VAX/VMS 4.4. Each sheet is numbered from 0001 to 0536, has a part number of AH-HP48A-SE and is marked "DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION" / "CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY". The envelope itself is labeled AH-HP48A-SE VAX/VMS V4.4 SRC LST MCRF (c) 1986 My question is, was DEC in the habit of selling or distributing their OS source code to third parties? If I recall correctly, VMS was written (mostly) in BLISS, but since my microfiche reader is still in storage I can't confirm the contents of these sheets. I also seem to recall a VMS simulator for MS-DOS that I have around here somewhere... Cheers, Dan

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Data I/O 212 EPROM programmer

by JELynch＠stny.rr.com

I am looking for information on the basic operation of the data i/o 212 eprom programmer. In addition, what is the disk that plugs into the side of this unit for?

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E11/WinME results....

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

In case anyone cares it seems to work OK, I was able to boot RT-11, though I think I'm going to have to take a keyboard with me to plug in so that I'll have a keypad! BTW, I think the Wireless Ethernet I got with it is going to be pretty cool. Definitly be handy for my wife so she doesn't have to risk life and limb by entering the computer room :^) Zane

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OT: Re: E11 / Windows ME question

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

***** Warning I'm going OT, lighting afterburners, putting on my flame retardant suit, taking Mylanta, eating Tagamets, ***** File moving messages/Moving file messages. Maybe we are all missing the assumptions that these types of animations create. 1. Do I need to see bits flying through the air? 2. How about a fuel gauge of the source disk and another for the destination disk? :) 3. What we really need is a "real" indicator. 4. I seem to remember looking at disk drive lights and feeling comfortable that data was being read from one and written to another. 5. I could also tell a lot about system activity by looking at the register lights, device lights and noticing patterns. 6. I seem to remember system idle patterns that let me know my program was done or hung up. 7. System lights are now only indicators that the power supply is working. 8. I also can't stand lights that indicate the sum of all disk activity. 9. Have you ever put your ear to a disk drive to see if anything is actually happening? 9. Now data could be written to the Microsoft black hole and I wouldn't be able to notice it unless it didn't make it to my destination disk. 10. Maybe the data is in the systems disk cache and not on the disk. 11. Maybe the data is in the disk controller cache and not on the disk. 12. Maybe it didn't make it intact. 13. Maybe the blue screen got it. 14. Maybe the data doesn't exist at all but is only electrons that are rented to me while my software/hardware license is paid up and I'm behaving. What I'm saying is that the message is now more important than the substance of the action. Cute messages instead of substance. I'm now changing my diapers and having another bourbon and water until my blood pressure drops below 1000/1000. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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OT: Re: E11 / Windows ME question

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 03:49 PM 2/14/01 -0800, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: >A friend told me off-list that when copying a file, there is a graphic >icon of each bit being moved. He suggested that the floating point was >required for the OS due to some MICROS~1 OS programmer being unable to >compute the parabolic trajectory of the bits without using floats. >BTW, 95 will install on the same machine without the FPU (486SX). >Which apps, etc. are different? Or did MICROS~1 simply do the FPU >requirement to reduce the number of performance complaints about their >apps? You mean to tell me that you've never seen or used contemporary post-95 Windows, but you feel comfortable criticizing it? Yes, there's a lame animation when copying files. I can tell you a number of things wrong with *just that animation* - such as that it's not actually an accurate depiction of anything. It doesn't represent bits, bytes, blocks or any actual percentage of completion in any consistent fashion (between apps) as far as I can tell, and doesn't adequately represent errors. I highly doubt the code to do the arc uses floats. There are only a small number of steps in the animation. I would guess the tweens are hard-coded. As for the FPU, if they raised the bar for a minimum processor to an Intel level that includes an FPU, then they no longer need to compile code that can either use a software floating-point library or the hardware FPU. I was looking over the Windows 2000 requirements today - they only demand a Pentium 133 as the minimum... and that was the "recommended" level of system for Windows NT 3.x five-six years ago, as I recall. - John

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HP Drives

by vicky＠horizondatacom.com

Hi, I'm in the market for some drives for an HP 9000 300 Series computer. Can anyone help? I need the 10MB drives, part# 9153A or long pn# 97500-85600 or the 20MB drives 9153B or pn# 45816-69111. Vicky Nosbisch Horizon DataCom Solutions, Inc. P: 614/847-0400 www.horizondatacom.com vicky(a)horizondatacom.com

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Usenet postings on CD-ROM (was Re: Dejanews)

by mark_k＠iname.com

Hi, On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 John Ruschmeyer wrote: > Even better, they are going to be reinstating the dejaNews archives > back to 1995. > > Now if someone would just find a way to incorporate the old Usenet on > CD archives and, perhaps, take donations of single articles that > people may have archived personally. A few years ago (probably 1992-1994??) at least one company produced monthly CDs containing Usenet postings. I seem to remember reading somewhere that were for use on Sun workstations or similar, since the CDs used the workstation's native filesystem rather than ISO 9660. Maybe they changed that for later CDs. Does anyone have any of these Usenet CDs? -- Mark

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Older DEC manuals

by dan＠ekoan.com

Hello again, Further cleaning of a storage area revealed a three-ring binder containing the following DEC manuals, one of which surprised me: VT55 Programming Manual (AA-4949B-TC) DLV11-E and DLV11-F asynchronous line interface user's manual (EK-DLV11-OP-001) RL01/RL02 Disk Subsystem User's Guide (EK-RL012-UG-002) RX02 Floppy Disk System User's Guide PDP-11 Family Field Installation and Hardware Acceptance Reference Manual (EK-FS003-IN-002), the title page of which is stamped "COMPANY CONFIDENTIAL." My question on this one is, was it common for these field service manuals to find their way out into the wild? There is also a manual from Computer Devices, Inc., titled Miniterm 80/132 Printing Option (0008-03421G) Operation Manual Cheers, Dan

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White Chapel Workstations (Hitech) Hardware/Docs/Software Wanted

by vonhagen＠vonhagen.org

After begging for help with my new MicroExploder, it occurred to me that it's been a while since I begged the group and the universe in general for any White Chapel Workstation or Hitech hardware, docs, marketing literature. if you have any WCW hardware, docs, etc. that you're willing to part with, please let me know. I'll pay something plus all shipping charges. It doesn't matter what country you're in! "Will work for obscure computers" Bill

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Dejanews

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

> I'd been meaning pulling off all messages from a specific group off to my > local hard drive. yep, that's what I want to be able to do too. Most of it will be junk, obviously, but at least if I have it locally I only have myself to blame for losing it :) Using that group:xxx search string looks like just the job, should be able to write a client to hook up to the site and pull groups to local storage with that (and keep the threading too hopefully!). Not sure if that could be made compatible with awhatever format stuff's held in on a news server or not, but that'd be nice. Something to look into anyway... cheers Jules --

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Sun SPARCstation 2

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>I think you're thinking QNX and not BeOS (BeOS requires at least 32MB and >200MB disk space). I know QNX can be squeezed down to that (or at least >could at one point, not sure if it still will fit on a floppy). Thats it. QNX even has a demo with a browser that fits on floppy. There is also the linux kernal project, I have the LRP (router) on a single floppy. Though for smallness there is CPM-86 and DOS. Allison

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FW: Tek XD88 (disk copying / sectors etc)

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

Hi, This was from a private email between Joe and myself - but as he says, there's plenty of disk / Unix experts on the list that might be able to answer this one! We were talking about the possibility of doing a raw backup of the failing disk in my Tek system and restoring it onto another disk to get it to work... > > I can > >get a 400MB disk dump from the drive by using dd on my linux system - but > is > >that any use? Assuming I could even find an identical drive as a > >replacement, even if I did something like catting the raw image to the > new > >disk, I'm not sure if that would give me something that would work (I'd > >still have the filesystem corruption too, but that's a separate problem) > > > >Do disks as read by dd appear as a bunch of linear sectors, regardless of > >drive parameters (heads, tracks etc.) - if that's the case then maybe I > have > >no problem; maybe I can even use any old drive providing it's the same > size > >or larger than the original disk? OK, I won't be using the full capacity > of > >the drive, but I don't really care :) (I have about 6 SCSI drives > sitting > >unused because I don't have space to put them in my main PC) > > > >I'm just thinking about inode tables and stuff and how they will probably > >get screwed up trying to do any raw copying... > What would be ideal would be if everything's just a linear bunch of blocks as far as dd and inode tables etc. are concerned - nice theory that I could use a different drive to replace the failing one, but I'm sure this wouldn't work! Anyone? The other thing I mentioned to Joe was the filesystem check - I remember at one point I could boot the Tek to single-user mode (throwing up a lot of filesystem errors along the way) and then run fsck - that'd give a lot of faults, but not correct them; any ideas how to do this? I'm fairly sure the system wouldn't even go to single-user last time I tried though. >From memory I managed to read all but a single block of data from the drive in a linux system a couple of years ago (might even still have that dump someplace) with a few retries, so if that block wasn't on something criticial, if I can get the raw data onto another drive somehow and if I can fix the filesystem I might be able to get a working system again (that's a few too many ifs though!) cheers Jules --

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QNX!?!

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

> > > > QNX is also available free, including a windowing system, networking > > > > and a development environment. ( for non commercial users ) > > > > Jim Davis. Free? How do I get QNX for free? > > > Yeah, but they nickle & dime you on every single little utility that one > > > takes for granted with a real *nix. Want grep? It'll cost you. vi? > > > It'll cost you. vi? QNX used to come with ed, which was pretty good. > If you are interested in QNX, check out http://www.qnxstart.com/. Loads of > free software and the latest QNX news. Okay, I did system and application programming under QNX from '88 to '93, and found it to very robust, especially in networking and interprocess communication. Exceptionally fault-tolerant, too. Impossible to crash the kernal without writing code for that specific purpose. No problem running MS-DOS applications, either. Where can I get it "free?" Last I heard it was about $400. I didn't see anything at qnxstart.com about a free version, but perhaps I'm blind . . . the QNX demo includes a nice web browser and dial-up software, and, as expected from Gordon Bell, the mini-os, browser and dial-up fit on a 1.44 MB bootable floppy. How do I get the "free" version? Glen 0/0

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OT: RF (was: RE: E11/WinME results....)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Ross Archer <dogbert(a)mindless.com> >By the way, ANSI has a standard for RF exposure limits. I don't recall As do OSHA. >the std. number offhand but it shows that certain frequencies are likely to >affect certain body parts, so it's not a simple case of more dangerous >as the frequency goes higher (or lower.) For example, 1.2 Ghz is >about right for heating the vitreous fluid in the eyeball, and so exposure >to 1.2 Ghz should always be kept away from the eyes to prevent possible >vision damage. I think other frequencies are also bad for different organs. >Apparently, it's the heating effect of RF that tends to do the most damage >until the frequency gets quite high. The ability of RF to penetrate the body also goes down with increasing frequency. Also at incresing frequency the ability to focus RF power becomes easier and the antennas more compact adding to the the risk. All RF should be considered with care. IT's energy radiated and if you are in a concentrated field (IE: in front of a dish antenna) then the risks go up as compared to a diffuse field. Allison

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OT: RF (was: RE: E11/WinME results....)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 15, Doug Salot wrote: > The FDA has established microwave radiation exposure levels greater than > 5mw/cm2 to be dangerous. The cards emit max about 200mw. I don't > remember how that drops off with distance (drops off with distance^2, > doesn't it?). That's correct, distance^2. -Dave McGuire

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OT: RF (was: RE: E11/WinME results....)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> >The new 802.11D devices like I've got operate at 2.4Ghz because > 1) its easy to do spread spectrum there No because it's legal there. ;) > 2) its the same frequency as most microwave ovens so the spectrum > is considered 'junk.' Nope. Microwaves are 900mhz or so. the 2.4ghz was picked for the lack of atmospheric bending making it line of sight and also efficient antennas very small. >The note with the card said, "do not operate closer than 2.5" to your skin >for extended periods of time." No definition of 'extended' as far as I Way lower than 2W, most are in the sub 160milliwatt range. Very low risk save for very close to the antenna as the concentration of power is greatest there and diminishes at the rate of square law so after a foot or so the power per sq/in is very low. Allison

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RF (was: RE: E11/WinME results....)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: John Allain <John.Allain(a)Donnelley.InfoUSA.Com> >Q: What Wavelengths and Wattages are known to really > be dangerous? What is the Frequency of a Microwave > oven, for example (900 Mhz? <g>). How much less > dangerous is a signal of 1/2 that, etc... I have > seen almost nothing scientific written on this subject > and want to know more. Microwaves run around 900mhz. That is the majik freq for really shaking water ions till they warm up. The key concern is the power/area* time With the threshold around 900mhz being about 10milliwatts/square inch. The effect is frequency sensitive where very low frequencies are less impact then say microwave. the primary damaging effect is heating either localized or generalized. I've been burnt by a 20watt UHF (474mhz) twoway radio when a bozo keyed up while I was working on the antenna. It punched a nice hole in my finger that took a long time to heal. cell phones FYI are in the 850mhz range and relatively low power in the sub .5W range with a low energy density. FYI the average HAM VHF or UHF portable is usually 2-10 times higher power output {1 to 5W}. There is some risk, I would consider it low by any standard I've seen. Oh, people who drive while talking on cell phones are 4 times more likely to be involved in an accident. That has been verified. Allison

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LF Series 1600 (or something along those lines)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Anyone know what these are? Other than ugly heavy S-100 boxen? The case is about the size of a BA11 (i.e. standard rackmount), and they have 5.25" floppy drives and a couple 5.25" HDD's as well. Lots of ports in the back, so I'm guessing these are some kind of multiuser systems... The processor appears to be a V20, but I didn't look too close so don't hold me to that. If anyone would be interested in these or boards from them, let me know since they're going to be scrapped otherwise. They're not mine, but the guy at one of the surplus places I go to was about to dismember them and I figured I might as well post 'em, keep in mind that if you do want one, they probably weigh about umm 40 pounds or so... Located in Denver, CO, 80222... Also, they're not free, so make offers.. Doing my part to save old stuff, Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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OT: Re: E11 / Windows ME question

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 11:04 PM 2/14/01 -0800, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: >3) Once again, we were JOKING about that animation as: >a) producing animation for every bit Sorry, I didn't catch the sarcasm. While we're on the topic of animation in OSes and apps, perhaps we should switch to the talking, dancing paper clip. >That still does not address why an OPERATING SYSTEM would EVER need to >"compile code" that uses float! Certainly many aps might need float. But >what POSSIBLE legitimate reason would there ever be for an OS to need or >use floating point? Can anyone name any variable in an OS that should be >float? Or are you actually saying that the FPU requirement is NOT for the >OS at all, but that the OS is doing that for the sake of some aps? I doubt this discussion has been heard within the halls of Microsoft for more than a decade, so I guess it's on-topic. I see your point, particularly from a classic standpoint... an OS is considered the part that runs apps and manages resources, not drawing pretty pictures. But it's like arguing that Linux isn't an OS, it's a kernel and a bunch of GNU apps wrapped in a distribution. Win 9x doesn't really exist without the bundle of everything else. Could it be written without floats? As an exercise. It would be more fun to argue that DOS and Win 9x aren't really OSes. :-) I'm sure they didn't want to scare the bejesus out of the first wet-behind-the-ears CS grad who attempted to use "float" in their C program and got a link error. So where might floats be? In graphics code, particularly sloppy graphics code. But these days the OS includes OpenGL and DirectX, too, which have floats galore. In user-friendly code that showed percentages for completion or resources consumed. And then there's scads of apps like "Calc.exe", the calculator app. >Any reason why I couldn't create a glacially slow machine running it on a >386SX? Uhm, it would be glacially slow? :-) And Intel / Microsoft cabal doesn't want you to even try. - John

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by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se> >Linux is a big heap of bloat. It seems every UNIX is, too. >My definition of light-weight is floppy-based, sub-4 MB. For PCs that leaves a few things like BeOS, Minix, DOS, ConcurrentDOS, CCPM and not much else. Allison

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by phil＠ultimate.com

> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:33:54 -0600 > From: Tom Uban <uban(a)ubanproductions.com> > > I think that not being able to access greater than 2GB makes it difficult > to setup a large disk, even if you are keeping the individual partitions > to less than 2GB. I don't know the exact details, but the version of SunOS > that I had just wouldn't do it. Maybe there was a patch or update which > would have fixed the problem as you describe. Well as I said. I'm typing this on a system with a 4GB disk, and recently retired a client's system that had a 9GB disk. I'm running stock 4.1.4 (well, the non-stock parts are not Sun supplied-- I have some Stanford patched modules that support multicast, and more importantly to me, BPF. I also have ip_fil filters, which replaced some IP files as well). -phil

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California Scientific Systems

by forslund＠tbaytel3.tbaytel.net

Hi, I found a California Scientific Systems computer, but have no idea what it is. It has dual 5 1/4" floppy drives in the front, and that's all i know about it. I'm thinking of purchasing it, but would like to know a little more about it - processor? ram? etc. I searched the web, but no hits. Anyone ever heard of this one or have any information? Thanks and enjoy, Bob

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E11 / Windows ME question

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

OK, this is sort of on/off-topic, but..... Out of curiousity, has anyone run E11 (PDP-11 Emulator) on Windows ME? Are there any compatibility issues between Win98 and WinME? I just got my wife a low-end Thinkpad and am wanting to be able to run E11 on it. Zane

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NT5

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

> > Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:06:08 -0800 (PST) > From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > Subject: Re: E11 / Windows ME question > > > "Windows 2000" was a renaming of "NT 5". > Did the non x86 versions of NT survive? Nope. W2K didn't make it past Beta 2 and NT doesn't make it past SP6....for Alpha anyway; the others were well gone. -- Adrian Graham MCSE/ASE/MCP C CAT Limited Gubbins: http://www.ccat.co.uk (work) <http://www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk> (home) <http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk> (The Online Computer Museum) 0/0

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E11 / Windows ME question

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 02:06 PM 2/14/01 -0800, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: >At one point, "CE" was "Consumer Electronics"! Did it change? Yes, I think they started denying it stood for anything at all. >BTW, "98" will REFUSE to install unless there is a math coprocessor! >What possible reasons could there be for an OS to need floating >point?????? An OS or an OS that comes with a slew of applications? - John

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OT: Re: E11 / Windows ME question

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 07:25 AM 2/15/01 -0800, you wrote: >I can't attest as to why the FPU is required, but the animation you see >when doing a file copy is just a very small, looped AVI file. No >"trajectory" calculation is going on at all. Just all the DLLs for an AVI player. :-) I feel better now. - John

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Sun SPARCstation 2

by jrasite＠eoni.com

This may be off-topic, but are there any SPARCstation users on the list? I just came into one with a missing hard drive and am looking for O/S information to make it live again. If it is O/T, please p-mail me. <mailto:jrasite@eoni.com> Jim

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Tosh 420CDT Thanx

by jpl15＠panix.com

A very-much-appreciated "Thank You!" to all the list members who reponded to my 'fried laptop' post a while back. I have located the docs, found the correct SMPSU voltage (15VDC/30W) and found a source for the PSU, the Mobo, and batteries. Also I found a 10GB drive that may fit it. 1.3GB is Just Too Small... whodathunkit???? Anywway, thanks again, even though the machine ain't quite 10 yet... Cheerz John

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Everybody talking about SUNs - I never had one...I never tried one...who wil find/trade me one?

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Hi Suns, suns, suns...I never had one, I never tried one. Not too common around here in Quebec. Seem plentyfull in the US.... I would be willing to trade for one...something not too old I can still play around with... I would rather trade for one because this could help me with my space problem...and not make it worst... I enjoy trading, if you have seen my posts before, I never ask for money for stuff I offer...I give it away or trade...my personnal policy... I have a ton of stuff...mostly micros and periphs 197x-198x early 1990s but lots of other stuff...ask... Dont suggest ebay....I dont use ebay to buy or sell...another personnal "policy"... Claude Canuk Computer Collector http://computer_collector.tripod.com

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E11 / Windows ME question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> > We have various software, such as teleprompters and similar >TV-studio related items, that we have to keep W95/98 machines for as >they absolutely will not work under NT. Another big one I've found I have very few things that I can say didnt' run under NT4, and they didnt run under w95 either. The best example of that is Paradox4.5/dos! The only hicup that has is print spooling which works poorly under both NT and W9x. Gcadd6.1/dos, Microcadd and Quickbasic4.5/dos, work fine. Biggest problem with old dos and W3.1x programs is the installs dont always work quite right. Other than that I run dos and W9x programs under NT4/sp4 using NTFS and FAT partitions with little to no difficulty. >are database applications based on Foxbase under DOS. Nothing >special as far as I/O there, but they throw a fit when run under NT >while custom databases I've coded under PowerBasic run fine and >PowerBasic hasn't been updated in 10-11 years. When running dos under NT it's not a bad thing to setup paths and PIFs as well as the NT dos emulation box. I may add that programs that are locked to 8.3 (most dos and w3.1 stuff) will get real upset with long filenames and directories take care. Also there are a few that dont seem to like NTFS or worse HPFS{there are three choices, FAT16, NTFS and HPFS}. Running NT3.51 or NT4 below SP4 is not good either. Allison

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by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> >>For PCs that leaves a few things like BeOS, Minix, DOS, >>ConcurrentDOS, CCPM and not much else. > > BeOS floppy based? The versions I've seen had larger >requirements than floppies and 4MB RAM. The mention of ConcurrentDOS I didn't mean to imply they were floppy based only smaller footprint on disk and ram. I've run ConcurrentDOS-386 in 4mb as a multiuser box save for some of the programs (not the dos) wanted large tracts of ram. Minix can be run from floppy, or the full package fit in some 40mb and on a 386 with 4mb it's pretty interesting. However it's a research non-GUI OS so things like networking are not as pretty. Allison

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E11 / Windows ME question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> >Nevertheless, why unnecessarily slow down routine operations? It's code bloat, artifact of oject oriented programming. >> W95 will run on 386sx/16... I've done it. >I've been meaning to play with that. How much RAM do you need? The minimum is 4mb but 8 is about the minimum useful. I have a printserver (w95, 120mb disk and 486dx/33) that is able as minimum as can be useful. >Was it as slow as expected? It was slow but, If anything it was faster than I'd have expected. >An associate (business tenant) wanted to use "HyperTerminal" for logging >data from some lab equipment onto a 486 Compaq. When 98 REFUSED to >install, I installed 95 without any problems. I wasn't strongly motivated >to try anything serious to get 98 onto it. Actually there is 98lite {downloadable} which is a program that does a scripted install of W98 plus a few things from W95. the result can be a very small footprint and with some of the msisms (IE and outlook express crap) omitted fairly fast. W9x is a useable OS, so long as you acknowledge that it's like dos in it's lack of protections for the filesystem or the kernel. Works ok with well behaved programs, stinks otherwise. Also it likes ram 16mb for running stuff like netscape or IE and 32mb isn't bad. My $.0002 is that NT3.51 sp4 or NT4 SP4 is a better OS than W9x. I dont think Linux is better only faster evolving. Of all the PC unix clones FreeBSD seems the most solid and least bloated at least as a server. Allison > >-- >Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com >

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Sun SPARCstation 2

by mtapley＠swri.edu

>> ... any SPARCstation users ... looking >> for O/S information to make it live again. >> >> If it is O/T, please p-mail me. <mailto:jrasite@eoni.com> >> >> Jim > >... You can run up to either Solaris >2.6 or 7 on it.... > > Zane NeXTStep 3.3 or 4.x also had versions which ran on Sparc hardware. - Mark

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E11 / Windows ME question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> > > A lot of things broke going between '95/98 and NT and now No surprize as NT is very different model and kernel from W9x. Then again the only stuff that I've found that broke is apps that wanted to twiddle IO directly. Thats a NoNo for a protected mode kernel. >we're finding problems testing stuff under 2000 as well. Thankfully >we only have a handful of 2000 machines. Oh yes, and now MS has I havent played with W2000 but I"ve heard its ok save for games run lousy. >'fixed' the Mac version of Outlook so that it is 'compatible' with >the viruses for the Windows version! Needless to say, I'm the only >one in the building running the Outlook 2001 Beta and that's just for >testing purposes. Outlook in all it's forms along with IE4.+ are breeding media for virus. Someone once asked me what Outlook was and I said, development shell for ill behaved apps. Allison

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E11 / Windows ME question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se> >Windows ME runs on a whole slew of processors, such as the ARM or Hitachi SH- >4, whereas Windows 9x only runs on Intels. I think binary compatibility is >expecting too much. Your confusing ME with CE. ME is the same kernal as win95/win98/win98sr2. Allison

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Sun SPARCstation 2

by phil＠ultimate.com

> From: Tom Uban <uban(a)ubanproductions.com> > > The older SunOS system runs very well on this, but condider that if you > need to use a "modern" hard drive, you will be limited to about 2GB (I think) > if you use one of the older OS's. That is why I went to NetBSD, it has kept > up with the latest hardware... There may be firmware limitations on the location of the root filesystem, depending on the SCSI commands used by the boot PROM. I think you're correct that (in stock SunOS4) PARTITIONS cannot exceed 2GB, but I'm happily runing a 4GB disk (largest partition is 1.6G), and I've seen 9GB disks on SunOS4 systems. You may not be able to do absolute seeks to the 'c' partition with disk larger than 2G, but that's never caused me any problems. I think there was also a "disksuite" add-on, to handle large disks more gracefully, but it's not needed. -phil

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Dejanews

by jruschme＠mac.com

>Date: 13 Feb 01 04:21:06 +0100 >From: "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> >Subject: Re: Dejanews > >Julian Richardson skrev: > >>OK, what on earth happened to the Dejanews archive? Seems like they've been >>taken over by Google (leading us one step closer to a single corporation >>controlling the entire world, no doubt! :-) > >At least that's a step in the right direction. Google are actually providing a >good, clean service, whereas the big players such as Altavista and Deja(News) >have turned into Yahoo-esque media conglomerates offering everything but a >search engine. Perhaps will this mean that one won't have to wade through >tonnes of ads and unasked for services on Deja in the future? Even better, they are going to be reinstating the dejaNews archives back to 1995. Now if someone would just find a way to incorporate the old Usenet on CD archives and, perhaps, take donations of single articles that people may have archived personally. <<<john>>>

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Dejanews

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

> Even better, they are going to be reinstating the dejaNews archives > back to 1995. yep, that is good. I've got a bunch of news postings from 93/94/95 that I lost local copies of, so hopefully I'll be able to get a few of the follow-ups to those back at least. > Now if someone would just find a way to incorporate the old Usenet on > CD archives and, perhaps, take donations of single articles that > people may have archived personally. well, they reckon their archive is about 1TB - I wonder how much space all the useful stuff would take up? Less than 100GB surely (I could probably manage to free up enough for that - not sure how I'd make it available to everyone else though) hopefully there'll be a way to hook up to site automatically and write a client-side app to pull stuff off the site... Jules --

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E11 / Windows ME question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> >A friend told me off-list that when copying a file, there is a graphic >icon of each bit being moved. He suggested that the floating point was That explains whay it's so slow. >BTW, 95 will install on the same machine without the FPU (486SX). W95 will run on 386sx/16... I've done it. W98 can be faked on to a non FPU cpu but it's not pretty. >Which apps, etc. are different? Or did MICROS~1 simply do the FPU >requirement to reduce the number of performance complaints about their >apps? Beats me, I'm running it(both 98 and ME) at work as an upgrade from w95, all the stuff we used to run still does and Autocad2000 was happy. Allison

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Sun SPARCstation 2

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/14/01 12:35:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, phil(a)ultimate.com writes: > > Since this is a retro list, let's not forget Solaris 1 (aka SunOS 4). > I'm typing this now on a Sun type 3, connected to an IPX running 4.1.4. > > But I'll confess, I'm willing to deal with having to tweak builds on > occasion, since SunOS4 is hardly mainstream any more. > > -phil > > I have a question that belongs on this list for sure.. Is it possible and legal to obtain a copy of an old version of SunOS or Solaris to run on these old machines? My personal opinion is that NetBSD or Linux would run better on them, but for historical interest it might be nice to have one running an old Solaris as well. -Linc.

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by phil＠ultimate.com

> From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com > Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:45:20 -0800 (PST) > Probably pretty close to being on topic. You can run up to either Solaris > 2.6 or 7 on it. Max RAM is 64MB, or 96/128MB with special S-Bus and > piggyback cards (32MB each). Uses Narrow SCSI. I'd recommend checking out > OpenBSD or NetBSD for it. It's old and slow so a lightweight OS helps. Since this is a retro list, let's not forget Solaris 1 (aka SunOS 4). I'm typing this now on a Sun type 3, connected to an IPX running 4.1.4. But I'll confess, I'm willing to deal with having to tweak builds on occasion, since SunOS4 is hardly mainstream any more. -phil

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Sun SPARCstation 2

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Tom Uban <uban(a)ubanproductions.com> wrote: > The older SunOS system runs very well on this, but condider that if you > need to use a "modern" hard drive, you will be limited to about 2GB (I think) > if you use one of the older OS's. That is why I went to NetBSD, it has kept > up with the latest hardware... Vague recollections: SunOS 4.1.1 can't handle disks larger than ~1GB. SunOS 4.1.4 can't handle filesystems larger than 2GB, but can put more than one of them on a larger disk. -Frank McConnell

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Sun SPARCstation 2

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 14, 12:58, LFessen106(a)aol.com wrote: > I have a question that belongs on this list for sure.. Is it possible and > legal to obtain a copy of an old version of SunOS or Solaris to run on these > old machines? My personal opinion is that NetBSD or Linux would run better > on them, but for historical interest it might be nice to have one running an > old Solaris as well. For a while, Sun had a webpage from which you could obtain Solaris 7 (or was it 6?) free, and last time I looked it was possible to obtain Solaris 8 similarly (but that won't run on the older architectures). I'm sure it's been mentioned here before; look in the list archives. I'd try asking on comp.sys.sun et al for a copy. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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C64 question

by archer＠topnow.com

Okay, I picked up quite a haul for $20: * Commodore 64 in almost-new looking condition, original box * 1541 Disk drive, in original box (but no disk drive manual :( * 1525 Printer, in box * Programmer's Reference Guide * User's Guide * Assorted software and disks * VicModem * Two joysticks * All cables Anyways, hooked it up, wrote a few BASIC programs, ran a couple of the programs supplied, cool. Now the question is, where on earth will I find some key programs -- mostly games (after all, games were its specialty!) but I REALLY want a 6502 assembler like Merlin, and to find connectors to fit the cartridge slot to hang some custom hardware off of and develop driver code for. I'll be careful. :) And if I find it somewhere on the 'net, how to get it into the C64? Has anyone solved that one? I know it's got an RS232 port, so perhaps I could write a small BASIC program to bootstrap in the program at low speed and develop something like an Xmodem download with the downloaded assembler. Just wondering if anyone has a better way to get software from 'net to C64, and knows a good source for same. Maybe a cave full of cartridges like the Atari has exists out there... :) -- Ross

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E11 / Windows ME question

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:53:25 -0800 Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> writes: > Nope, you are confusing Windows "CE" with Windows "ME" (what a > difference a letter makes), the "CE" aka "Compact Edition" runs on a > variety of processors, the "ME" aks "Millenium Edition" runs only on x86 > architectures. Then there is Windows "NT" which ran on x86, PowerPC, > and Alpha, and "Windows 2K" which runs only on x86 again. Note you can > buy all four of these operating systems from Microsoft today, confused yet? Yeah, and you can get all four in one package. Just ask for: Windows CEMeNT 2000 SOrry guys, I just couldn't resist . . . -- Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Sun SPARCstation 2

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 14, LFessen106(a)aol.com wrote: > I have a question that belongs on this list for sure.. Is it possible and > legal to obtain a copy of an old version of SunOS or Solaris to run on these > old machines? My personal opinion is that NetBSD or Linux would run better > on them, but for historical interest it might be nice to have one running an > old Solaris as well. Nope. There are too many of these "old" machines (some running older releases of either OS) still running in production at lots of installations. -Dave McGuire

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Sun SPARCstation 2

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/13/01 6:51:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, jrasite(a)eoni.com writes: > This may be off-topic, but are there any SPARCstation users on the > list? I just came into one with a missing hard drive and am looking > for O/S information to make it live again. > > If it is O/T, please p-mail me. <mailto:jrasite@eoni.com> > > Jim > I have one, and a few other Sparcstations as well. They use standard scsi drives although I would use a smaller capacity drive to avoid the extra heat generated by a large capacity drive. I have run OpenBSD, Solaris 7, and Linux on these. I much prefer Linux on them. NetBSD might be pretty good as well although I haven't had the time to check that one out yet. -Linc.

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Sun SPARCstation 2

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 13, 15:37, Jim Arnott wrote: > This may be off-topic, but are there any SPARCstation users on the > list? I just came into one with a missing hard drive and am looking > for O/S information to make it live again. I've got a Sparcstation 1+ which came diskless, and I worked out how to set up a hard drive for it (it now has one internal and one external running Soalris 2.3). If you can find a compatible SCSI CD-ROM drive (must be able to be set to 512-byte blocks, like a Toshiba or Plextor) and Solaris media (pre Solaris 8 for that architecture) it's easy to set up. Otherwise, try Linux or BSD. I can't offer much help over the next week or so as I'll be out of email range :-( but happy to help when I get back. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Prototype HP stuff

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Hmm, that HP 85 reminds me of my oscilliscope (yes I know I cannot spell that word unless I'm looking at the instrument), which is an HP 140A. The 'scope isn't a prototype, but one of the plugins has no serial number and is inscribed "lab proto #3"... interesting, isn't it? Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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E11 / Windows ME question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> >OK, this is sort of on/off-topic, but..... > >Out of curiousity, has anyone run E11 (PDP-11 Emulator) on Windows ME? Are >there any compatibility issues between Win98 and WinME? I just got my wife >a low-end Thinkpad and am wanting to be able to run E11 on it. > > Zane WinME is W98 call it V3. It's MSs was of hiding the fact that they continued W98 two version past ehn they said it would end... Allison

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Holy Crap! IMSAI's weren't this expensive when new!

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I think I'd trade a SOL, an Altair, and an IMSAI for a System/38 or System/34.. Hell even for an AS/400 with a complete copy of the OS.. Not that I have any of those 3 machines; If I did, I'm sure Bob could use another SOL and other list members could use an Altair or an IMSAI.. I certainly have no real place for them.. Somewhat unrelated to minicomputers. BTW, Bob, plese e-mail me, I have a SOL-related article for you. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Holy Crap! IMSAI's weren't this expensive when new!

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Mark is entirely correct on this one.. I must say that, since I own 7 AS/400's, not ever getting the OS with them tends to make me a little frustrated! I do have an OS/400 upgrade tape for version 2 something to version 2 something else, but since I don't have the version you apply the upgrade to... I also have 2 MULIC tapes (Model Unique Licensed Internal Code), which I know are required for the OS, and are processor-specific. Note that I am speaking only for CISC machines. Oddly, one of the things that was with the machines was an IBM license document, I don't know what it was for exactly, but it essentially says you can't sell the program but you can give it to someone, so long as you destroy/give them all your copies, yadda yadda yadda. And technically speaking, I wasn't entirely serious about trading those 3 for any of those machines, I'd rather offer them to this list.. The worst thing about the Altair, etc. for me at least, would be that it would come down to a debate between the fact that I need the money and the fact that I'd rather people who are going to appreciate the machines have them, and naturally, it's quite possible that cash could be maximized by selling to someone who would minimize the use, etc. of the machine.. But if anyone ever sees any AS/400 software show up at auctions, regardless of model, BUY IT and I will gladly reimburse you.. I'd also be especially happy if someone found IBM 4300 software for me, especially VM/SP release 5 or 6, or MVS (OS/VS2), or AIX/370.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Quest for Apple II Red Book

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: I want to begin my quest for a copy of the Apple II "Red Book." If anyone has a copy and can tell me if it has an ISBN number on it, and what that number is, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. Rich Rich Cini ClubWin! Group 1 Collector of Classic Computers Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /*****************************************/

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Holy Crap! IMSAI's weren't this expensive when new!

by vcf＠siconic.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1207448449 $5,100 was the final bid. I wonder if it was actually consumated? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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(fwd) ALL Electric Components (fwd)

by donm＠cts.com

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