- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by oliv555＠arrl.net

Anyone on-list running an 11/45? Intercepted these dumpster-bound goodies. As before, you pay postage. (also listed some printer docs left over from last weeks giveaway) - KT11-C memory management unit manual - KT11-C engineering drawings - KB11-A (11/45) CPU Maint. Manual - PDP11/45 system engineering drawings - LPV11 (M8027) Printer I/F users manual - LPV11-V (M8027) Field Maint. Print Set - LP11 line printer manual - LP11/LS11/LA11 line printer manual - Dataproducts 2230 (LP05) Tech manual - Dataproducts 2230 Logic Diagrams Enjoy, ..... nick o

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by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 6/8/01 10:35:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jss(a)ou.edu writes: > > (3) They may just assume you are running a business, and your only > violation would be having a business in a residential zone. That > should be easy to disprove. > AFAIAC According to general US law *they* would have to *prove* that you *are* running a business. You do't have to prove you are not. By the way, as mentioned before I would have them both prosecuted for tresspassing and invasion of privacy. -Linc Fessenden In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

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by jhellige＠earthlink.net

Geez...just when you think you've heard it all. This is taking those neighborhood zoning restrictions a bit too far. Obviously, the neighbor has too much time on their hands. Good luck getting it worked out Mike. Jeff >I am so steamed right now, buried in my junk mail I just found a letter >from the city of Orange where I live. (peoples republic of California) > >Notice of violation and order to comply >* Storage of computer and parts in the residential area > >Apparently some neighbor had a inspector come over and peek in my windows >last week, and sure enough I do have a few computers stacked around right >now. The gist of the complaint is that while I comply with all the noise, >parking, etc. they want me to have a "Home Occupation Business License" and >restrict my storage to 500 cubic feet in an enclosed garage. > >Now I guess I have to agree the home is occupied with computers, but my >first reaction is that it is strictly a hobby, no business activity goes on >at all. Before I say anything though I am going to go and read Orange >Municipal Code 17.14.050(H) in the morning. > >I love the arrogance of these people too, giving me 14 days to comply. My >guess is that at best this will be a big PITA, since it kind of hamstrings >me, if I sell off a bunch of stuff, then I am a business, but if I don't >then I may be looking at endless harassment.

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Overland 9 track

by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

Does anyone have any docs or software on the Overland Data model OD3201 9-track? It has what I beleive a Serial and a Pertec interface. It does 1600 and 3200 BPI. A quick Internet search came up dry. Thanks, Brian.

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Or in California where the damned ground won't hold still . . .:^) > > Just a rant, but this whole perception of California being this constantly > roiling land mass is silly. > > When you consider that the east coast has on average at least one > hurricane every year like clockwork (and sometimes a majorly devastating > one), and that the midwest has dozens of tornados (some catastrophic), and > the Atlantic and northeast have terrible weather almost year round, I'll > take the occasional major earthquake every decade or two over all that > nonsense any day (and enjoy the great weather to boot). I would say that good thing there's a place for everyone, but I'll probably never find a mix of weather, economy, and culture I can really live with. For weather, I want winters with three months continual snow cover; I want the economy of the Midwest, were I live, and the culture of New York City. Oh, and proximity to gobs and gobs of Classic Computers... -dq

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Storage of computer and parts in the residential area

by CordaAJ＠nswc.navy.mil

You might think that living in a rural area with 5 acres of woodland around you would protect you from this kind of crud, but don't hold your breath.... There's still the insurance company to deal with. My adventure started when a tree took out my front porch during a storm. I made the dreaded mistake of actually trying to _use_ the policy that I had been paying on for 8 years. The company paid up, but a month later I received a letter from the insurance company informing me that my policy was being canceled due to the use of my home as a "storage facility". I argued with the company for a bit and got them to agree to re-evaluate there decision. What they did was to send out a wet-behind-the-ears inspector who then proceeded to tell me that the company _might_ re-instate my policy if I (1) replaced my roof (it was fine, by the way), (2) re-side my house with vinyl (3) Remove the 2 lawn mowers from my yard (remember, I live in the middle of 5 acres of woodland with no neighbors and a 1200 foot dirt driveway) and worst of all, remove all the (and I quote) "Useless electronic junk" from my home. I asked him what he considered acceptable, and he responded with all the rightous arrogance that only the very young and newly powerful can have that one, or at the most two computers would be acceptable, as long as they were small desktops. Needless to say, I asked him to leave. The story does have a happy ending though. I contacted the insurance company one last time and told them that I was going to complain to the state insurance commisioner. They told me to go ahead... the insurance comissioner never forced them to recend any of their decisions, and was merely a "rubber-stamp" organization. I then proceeded to call the insurance commisioners office. While talking to the nice lady on the phone, I repeated verbatim what the insurance company official had said to me. The conversation went like this: "She said WHAT about us?" <I repeated the insurance company's statements> "Oh really?... And what was her name" <I provided the details> "Hmm... well, they might feel that way, but I ASSURE you that we are NOT a rubber-stamp organization..." A few days later I received a letter from the Insurance Commisioner's office stating that my Insurance company had illegally cancelled my policy and had been ordered to re-instate it. (This seemed to amaze my independent insurance agent... I guess it was a pretty rare occurance) Needless to say, as soon as the policy was re-instated I cancelled it myself and changed to another company, but At least I got some satisfaction out of the mess. Moral of the story... If a tree falls in the forest on your deck, make certain the insurace company doesn't hear it :) -al-

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Motorola 88000

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> The DN10000 also had a maximum of 4, not 8 processors... There weren't any > actual Apollo products that used the 88K, I guess I could call one of the > founders of Apollo and ask him, but I'm really sure on this one. I knew it was *some* power of two...

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OT stories about phone phreaking

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Seen your bill lately? What do they call that? Yeah- I discontinued caller ID, call waiting, etc, back in December. They wwere pretty quicky about turning them off. However, they haven't yet billing know about it... We do it to them, it's stealing... they do it to us, it's " a mistake". Grr.

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IMSAI EPROMS

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

Joel: Can't tell much from the first 128 bytes. It looks like a "boot loader" program. I have a similar program that loads Altair Basic from my paper tape reader. How many bytes total are in the ROM ? The jumps at the beginning go to interupt handlers for hardare generated interupts. Follow those to the code they point to. Unfortunately, I forgot what the standard interupt numbers (and what they did) were. What external peripherals (paper tape reader, teletype, etc.) does it have ? -Rob -----Original Message----- From: Joel Weder [SMTP:jweder@telusplanet.com] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 11:46 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: IMSAI EPROMS Hi all... I've been trying to get some action from this IMSAI for awhile now. Main problem is I don't know what is on the EPROMs on the EconoROM board. It looks like banks A & B, OR banks C & D, can be enabled together starting at address 0000h. There are 6 2708's in A0 through B1, and 8 2708's in C0 through C3. I've been looking for an EPROM burner that can read/write 2708's with no luck so far. We have TWO machines at work, and neither will do it. Anyone know of a burner that WILL? I manually read the first 256 bytes of the first chip, and disassembled it, also manually - I'm looking for a good disassembler program too! I've got one called DASM V1.2 by John Wilson, but have been having some trouble with it. If you've got a few minutes, have a look at what I've included below - the first 128 bytes of code. Let me know if any of it looks familiar. (Or if I messed up the job!) The comments are for my own benefit - I'm pretty rusty with assembler. Addr. Hex Value Mnemonic Comments 0000 AF XRA A ;Exclusive Or A with A (clears A) 0001 C3 3B 00 JMP 003B ;Jump to 003Bh 0008 C3 EE EF JMP FFEE ;Jump to FFEEh 0010 C3 F1 FF JMP FFF1 ;Jump to FFF1h 0018 C3 F4 FF JMP FFF4 ;Jump to FFF4h 0020 C3 F7 FF JMP FFF7 ;Jump to FFF7h 0028 C3 FA FF JMP FFFA ;Jump to FFFAh 0030 C3 FD FF JMP FFFD ;Jump to FFFDh 0038 C3 D3 09 JMP 09D3 ;Jump to 09D3h 003B D3 F0 OUT F0 ;Send contents of A register to port F0h 003D C3 11 D2 JMP D211 ;Jump to D211h 0040 3B DCX SP ;Decrement stack pointer 0041 00 NOP ;Do nothing 0042 C3 5C 00 JMP 005C ;Jump to 005Ch 0045 21 00 F0 LXI H,00 F0 ;Load register pair H & L with F000h 0048 0E 4E MVI C,4E ;Move 4E to register C 004A AF XRA A ;Clear register A 004B 77 MOV M,A ;Move register A to loc'n given in H & L 004C 23 INX H ;Increment H & L registers 004D 0D DCR D ;Decrement register C 004E C2 4B 00 JNZ 004B ;Jump on no zero to address 004Bh 0051 06 18 MVI B,18 ;Move 18h into register B 0053 21 2A F1 LXI H,F12A ;Load H & L registers with F12Ah 0056 77 MOV M,A ;Move register A to loc'n given in H & L 0057 23 INX H ;Increment H & L registers 0058 05 DCR B ;Decrement register B 0059 C2 53 00 JNZ 0053 ;Jump on no zero to address 0053h 005C 31 9E F0 LXI SP,F09E ;Load stack pointer with F09Eh 005F CD 42 01 CALL 0142 ;Transfer program control to addr 0142h 0062 06 2A MVI B,2A ;Move 2Ah into register B 0064 CD 51 01 CALL 0151 ;Transfer program control to addr 0151h 0067 CD 7A 00 CALL 007A :Transfer program control to addr 007Ah 006A 23 INX H ;Increment H & L registers 006B 7E MOV A,M ;Move value from loc'n in H & L to reg A 006C FE 3A CPI 3A ;Compare A with 3Ah (A - 3Ah) 006E DA 7A 05 JC 057A ;Jump on carry to 057Ah 0071 CD DE 01 CALL 01DE ;Transfer program control to addr 01DEh 0074 CD 94 01 CALL 0194 ;Transfer program control to addr 0194h 0077 C3 5C 00 JMP 005C ;Jump to address 005Ch 007A 21 BC F0 LXI H,F0BC ;Load H & L registers with F0BCh 007D 22 50 F0 SHLD F050 ;Store H & L registers at F050h Joel A. Weder jweder(a)telusplanet.net 403-556-4020

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Will trade classic H/W for CP/M 2.2 help!

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

You can buy a "new" licensed copy of CP/M (the original DR version) from California Digital for only $9 at http://www.cadigital.com/software.htm. It won't be set up for your particular computer, though, but does have the DR manuals. -----Original Message----- From: Stan Sieler [mailto:sieler@allegro.com] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:38 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Will trade classic H/W for CP/M 2.2 help! Hi, > To any CP/M 2.2 users with 8-inch SSSD floppy disks... > If any list member can help, I'm willing to trade classic hardware such > as an HP That's a nice offer, and if my back were better, I'd try to talk you out of those machines. However, I suspect that on this list you could simply say "can anyone send me CP/M 2.2 ..." and you'd get some volunteers. I'd send it if I had any of my 8" systems working yet! :) Good luck, Stan Sieler Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

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OT stories about phone phreaking

by brian.roth＠firstniagarabank.com

That trick hasn't worked in decades. You can still blue box in some area's but I wouldn't do it. drops a trouble card. Phone phreaking started to go away when the phone companies started to replace the old crossbar switching equipment with electronic switches and computer switching (ESS5, etc...) There are still a few area that you can still red box though. No matter what, its still called stealing. Brian. On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Gabe Steiger wrote: > Is it still possible to phreak a phone by unscrewing the talk speaker? > I tried unscrewing the mouth peice once, could not unscrew it. Bastard > would NOT budge. Brian Roth Network Services First Niagara Bank (716) 625-7500 X2186 Brian.Roth(a)FirstNiagaraBank.com

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Motorola 88000

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

The DN10000 also had a maximum of 4, not 8 processors... There weren't any actual Apollo products that used the 88K, I guess I could call one of the founders of Apollo and ask him, but I'm really sure on this one. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Fwd: Re: Storage of computer and parts in the residential area

by brian.roth＠firstniagarabank.com

Brian Roth Network Services First Niagara Bank (716) 625-7500 X2186 Brian.Roth(a)FirstNiagaraBank.com

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Gabe Steiger wrote: > > > Is it still possible to phreak a phone by unscrewing the talk speaker? > > I tried unscrewing the mouth peice once, could not unscrew it. Bastard > > would NOT budge. > > You've figured out why it is no longer possible to phreak. The phone > companies passed a law that required phone manufacturers to screw the > mouthpiece on so tight that nobody could unscrew it. Therefore, phreaking > is no longer possible ;( Not to mention the fact that eulB sexoB stopped working with the switchover from Switching System 6 (which used in-band signalling) to SS7, which uses out-of-band signalling (i.e. a separate network). Regards, -dq

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Motorola 88000

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > The Apollo Domain DN10000 used up to (was it 8?) 88k cpu's... it > > was modular in some way, so that a system could be expanded. > > No. > > The DN10000 accepted one to four Apollo PRISM CPUs. They were > not Motorola 88000-series CPUs. If it wasn't the DN10000, which model was it? I just got done downloading many megabytes worth of patches for 68k-based systems *and* for 88k-based systems from HP's web site. Regards, -dq

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Subject: Re: Storage of computer and parts in the residential are a

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

What we really need is a lending library and a central repository for classic computer equipment. The obvious solution is to go underground. The law doesn't say anything about below a residential area. I think a warehouse like the one at the end of "Raiders of the Lost Ark" is just the answer. How about underground limestone quarry space? How about decommissioned missile silo? Maybe it's a fantasy, but exploring an endless building full of old computer equipment could be my retirement goal. Probably better than sex. Maybe it's senility. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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by wind＠coxnc.rr.com

Is it still possible to phreak a phone by unscrewing the talk speaker? I tried unscrewing the mouth peice once, could not unscrew it. Bastard would NOT budge. Thanks Note: From a very new newbie to phreaking :-)

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 7, 22:58, ajp166 wrote: > From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> > >like that. But a box labeled 11/53 and having an 11/23 procssor in it > is > > an 11/23, not an 11/53. It won't run RSX-11M or Ultrix configured for > an > >11/53, or various things. > > > An 11/23 would run RSX-11 just not the I&D kernal, same for Ultrix > depending on version. Of course, but what I wrote was that a kernel configured for amn 11/53 wouldn't run on an 11/23. It would have to be re-SYSGENed. > >I'm surprised you say it's common. I can see that in a few cases the > >processor might be removed to use elsewhere > It was happening when the processors were NEW. Seems it made a very > compact fairly fast system if the DEC box was not used. However early on > getting the bare CPU was difficult so people bout 11/53s, snatched the > cpu > and resold them with commonly available 11/23s (as Micropdp-11s) Oh, I see. I suppose that makes sense. It doesn't seem to have been common over here, though. > >I'm thinking of > >11/03 -> 11/23, 11/23 -> 11/73, 11/73 -> 11/83, microVAX -> microVAX-II > >upgrades). > > Yep, like my 11T03 that has a BA11N and 11/73 cpu I have its exact mate here :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Good God, I'm glad I live in the middle of nowhere... My garage contains enough stuff that there is only a 2 foot wide path to use as a walkway, and there is a big stack of lead acid batteries next to the garage (to be recycled sometime). Until we got new siding, I had a big mound o' aluminum there.. There's the frame of a System/36 in the backyard (temporarily), and a semi trailer by the barn. You're lucky if your planning officials are nice, the county commissioners where I live are corrupt and have shit for brains. Like their brilliant law that if you operated a boarding stable, you had to have this stupid "use by special review" which you couldn't get if even one neighbor wouldn't agree to it, so naturally we had one dipshit neighbor who objected... So without it, the "wise" commissioners said you could only board one horse per 20 acres... and we had 40 acres with an 18 stall barn... Needless to say, we boarded 18 horses there... *urinates upon Douglas County* Will J (end rant) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Will trade classic H/W for CP/M 2.2 help!

by lance＠costanzo.net

Speaking of CP/M and DRI, here's some web sites that may be of interest: http://www2.gol.com/users/joewein/dri.html http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/cpm/index.html http://www.faqs.org/faqs/CPM-faq/ http://www.retroarchive.org/cpm/ http://members.aol.com/wwheco1/commscpm.htm http://www.maxframe.com/GARY&CPM.HTM http://www.daml.org/people/jflynn/algolm.html At 08:28 AM 6/8/01 -0600, you wrote: >You can buy a "new" licensed copy of CP/M (the original DR version) from >California Digital for only $9 at http://www.cadigital.com/software.htm. It >won't be set up for your particular computer, though, but does have the DR >manuals. only $9 and you get a manual? dang!

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Motorola 88000

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

Hi, > Not that I want to provide the canonical list of 88k machines, but I'm > guessing DG sold the most 88000 machines. I personally used a Tektronics > XD88, which was a beast performer at the time. I've got an XD88 (running now, thanks to list help!) - they really do fly for the age of the things. I can't remember how many 88100 chips it has - just the two I think. Not sure of the core speed either. My system's the '10 with the 8-bit framebuffer; wouldn't mind the '30 with the 24-bit unit (from the scare info I've heard this was a significantly different machine with a proper expansion bus etc.) I don't know why these things failed - I know they were hidiously expensive when new though ($15000 for an '88/10 in the late 80's) so maybe there just was no market for them... bet there aren't many left these days! cheers Jules

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SYM1 Page

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Lee: Regarding the SYM-Physis issues, he's sent me issues 1-8 already. Apparently Massimo is a scanning maniac. I plan on posting them anyway. It's nice to have multiple sources available for this information. Rich -----Original Message----- From: Davison, Lee [mailto:Lee.Davison@merlincommunications.com] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 10:19 PM To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' Subject: RE: SYM1 Page Richard, > the SYM1. So much so, that I may put up a "SYM1 page" > on Highgate. He's now working on scanning the SYM Physis, > a newsletter for SYM users (1979-1982). Issues 1 to 10 are allready available on www.6502.org Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call 01285 884400.

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OSI BASIC

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

A while ago Bill Sudbrink wrote .. I just acquired Microsoft 8K basic in ROM for OSI on paper tape. I currently have no facility to read it, so I don't know if it is source or object. The tape seems to be in good shape (doesn't seem to be fragile) so it should be good for a few passes through a reader. I'll let you know. ... Was it ever read? If so is it available? Cheers, Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call 01285 884400.

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OT stories about phone phreaking

by Demon02554＠aol.com

umm...go for some of the boxes not only is it easier...you'd be surprised how much electronics knowledge you can pick up just by screwin with that stuff

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IBEX CPM Computers

by terryc＠woa.com.au

Can anyone enliten me about these computers. I was invited to help someone clean out his garage. Ibex, CPM 2.2 I have received a two dual floppy machine, one is 8" floppies and the other is 5" floppies. Also need to know the best way to recover 8" floppies that are water affected. In the haul was a VZ200 with tape drive and some IBM Jr (?) If someone wants the IBM box, they are welcome. I'm in Sydney Australia.. taah. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc(a)woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services <lan/wan, linux/unix, novell> "People without trees are like fish without clean water"

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SYM1 Page

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: "Massimo from Italy" has been sending me more scans and stuff related to the SYM1. So much so, that I may put up a "SYM1 page" on Highgate. He's now working on scanning the SYM Physis, a newsletter for SYM users (1979-1982). If anyone has anything they'd like to post, let me know off list. Also, I'm looking for a small Web-sized picture of the SYM for the page (I don't have a SYM to photograph). Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> >like that. But a box labeled 11/53 and having an 11/23 procssor in it is > an 11/23, not an 11/53. It won't run RSX-11M or Ultrix configured for an >11/53, or various things. An 11/23 would run RSX-11 just not the I&D kernal, same for Ultrix depending on version. >I'm surprised you say it's common. I can see that in a few cases the >processor might be removed to use elsewhere, but how many systems end up >with a 5-years-older processor in them? In my experience, it's much more It was happening when the processors were NEW. Seems it made a very compact fairly fast system if the DEC box was not used. However early on getting the bare CPU was difficult so people bout 11/53s, snatched the cpu and resold them with commonly available 11/23s (as Micropdp-11s) >common to see systems with later processors in them (though I'm thinking of >11/03 -> 11/23, 11/23 -> 11/73, 11/73 -> 11/83, microVAX -> microVAX-II >upgrades). Yep, like my 11T03 that has a BA11N and 11/73 cpu or maybe my microvax-ii that was downgraded to a Micropdp-11. ;) Allison

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Will trade classic H/W for CP/M 2.2 help!

by bshannon＠tiac.net

To any CP/M 2.2 users with 8-inch SSSD floppy disks... I'm restoring an Imsai 8080, and at this point my hardware is working very well, but I need some assistance with the software. If any list member can help, I'm willing to trade classic hardware such as an HP 9830A desktop programmable (in basic!) calculator, a Symbolics 3645 Lisp Machine (with 2 monitors, and full doc set), a Solid State Music S-100 bus music synthisizer, DEC goodies, etc... Lets make a deal....without eBay..... All the hardware for trade is located in centeral MA, not too far from the site for VCF East! Who ever gets this deal, and helps get this Imsai up to the A:> prompt WILL be made happy. (and share in the satisfaction of saving this particular Imsai from the dust bin of history) My problem is this: I need a bootable 8-inch, SSSD CP/M 2.2 disk made with a BIOS for my hardware... I do have full documentation for all the hardware installed in my system. I have an Imsai 8080 with 40K of RAM, a Tarbell 1101-D floppy controller with 2 SA-800 drives, and a Solid State Music IO-4 board. There are some old CP/M 1.3 disks that came with the system, and they ~appear~ to boot, but I get no console I/O. Most of the disks claim to be for memory configurations larger than I currently have. I can disable the Tarbell boot code and enter small programs by hand, and I've verifed that the SSM IO-4 boards serial port is fully operational. Attempting to boot a 24K CP/M 1.3 disk ~looks~ like its working, the head loads and unloads several times, data gets loaded into memory by the boot loader code from the floppy, but no console I/O. Who knows what hardware config this disk expects, it appears to be a very early CP/M install for this Imsai, and its clearly been expanded several times since this disk was cut. I'd also LOVE to upgrade the many 2102 based Ram boards with any non-2102 based SRAM board. I do have 22 slots, but 4K and 8K boards just take up too much room. So, is anyone out there with 8-inch CM/M 2.2, and who is just dying for a Symbolics 3645? Just 'gottahave' an HP9830A (all key caps, unbroken plastic, etc) LED dot matrix calculator? (check one out on the HP calculator museum site, clearly collectable...) Drop me a line off the list, and lets make a deal!

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SYM1 Page

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

Richard, > the SYM1. So much so, that I may put up a "SYM1 page" > on Highgate. He's now working on scanning the SYM Physis, > a newsletter for SYM users (1979-1982). Issues 1 to 10 are allready available on www.6502.org Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call 01285 884400.

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Eltron 16VAC adapters

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

Still have 2 left of the ones listed below if anyone's interested: -------------------------- I have some AC adapters I bought in a lot, I gave $1 each for them and pulled what I need from them. Input is 120VAC 60hz 800ma and output on a standard round/tubular "coax" connector is 16VAC, 4A. Fused with a 5A/250V fuse built in and changeable if blown. They're bricks with about 3 ft of wire to the 2 prong AC plug and about 3 ft to the coax adapter. Brick measures about 3" wide, 3.5" deep and 2.5" high. Made by Eltron with the part number 808061-001. I have 4 I need to get rid of at $1.00 each plus applicable postage. They weigh 3 lbs each. Someone can have them all or just 1, 2, etc. I'm in central KY in zip 42726 in the event someone wishes to calc shipping. ----------------------------------

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Motorola 88000

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Not that I want to provide the canonical list of 88k machines, but I'm > guessing DG sold the most 88000 machines. I personally used a Tektronics > XD88, which was a beast performer at the time. Encore built a big 88k > multi, as did BBN. There were a lot of MVME-based systems, with various > badges. There are a bunch of rare/odd machines as well (the Omron Luna is > significant because of it's role in developing Mach). As one poster pointed > out, Apple considered using the 88000 (including producing prototype > hardware and partially porting MacOS), as did NeXT. The Apollo Domain DN10000 used up to (was it 8?) 88k cpu's... it was modular in some way, so that a system could be expanded. I hope to add a DN10000 to the collection, eventually... -dq

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Nobody wants an HP-150?

by lance＠costanzo.net

>An HP150 is a PC-incompatible. It's an 8088-based machine that runs >MS-DOS (if you add an optional disk drive), but not IBM PC MS-DOS. It is >not compatible with the PC at the hardware or BIOS level, so most >software has to be specially written for the HP150. >Without a disk drive you can't (obviously) boot MS-DOS. But there is a HP >terminal emulator in the ROM which will run with out a disk drive being >connected. If you need an HP-compatible terminal for some other machine, >the HP150 is a possible choice. There's a couple of other uses for it: 1) It can run HP-Word from an HP-3000. 2) With a floppy, it can be used to boot an HP-3000 Series 70. 3) With a touchscreen, its a great terminal for a dumb blonde. http://www.kzin.com/trader/blonde.jpg (off the cover of a manual, I think her name is P.A.M.) It wasn't a bad little computer for its time. But by making it so incompatible HP missed the boat, as usual. Lance.

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Kaypro artifacts

by donm＠cts.com

A friend is cleaning out some storage space and has a couple of boxes of Kaypro related items available for pickup or shipping only. Each box is approximately 12x12x16". One contains 5.25" DSDD diskettes containing an accumulation of programs from his BBS days. The second is of manuals and magazines - Profile, etc. Sorry, I can't be more specific, but if you are interested contact Milton Blackstone at 858-459-8255. He would like to see them go this month. Thanks. - don

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free RS/6000 410

by owad＠applefritter.com

IBM RISCSystem/6000 410 HD, CD-ROM, and lock removed, unknown RAM, unnkown condition, needs cleaned up. Buyer pays shipping. Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

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Misc computer boards available for trade

by anheier＠owt.com

I am cleaning out my closets and have the following available. I am mostly interested in trades for older CPUs, coprocessors etc. All the board should be in good working order, but no guarantees. Shipping is on your nickel. Please email me directly at anheier(a)owt.com. Thanks Norm 1) Intel EtherExpress 16TP Lan Adapter, ISA bus. 2) NuVista+ Video digitizer for macintosh, can drive external VGA monitor, software and manual, Nubus bus. 3) SuperMac Video card for one of their monitors, Nubus bus 4) Mac IIci Cache Card, macintosh cache slot 5) Orchid Technology Prodesigner II video card, IBM MCA bus 6) UDS_ISSII PC/ISA SCSI Port card, ISA bus 7) Ungermann-Bass Ethernet Adapter, ISA bus 8) Apple Hi-Res Display Video card, Nubus bus 9) SCSI LVD/SE, Ultra2 SCSI card, IBM MCA bus 10) UMAX computer, M604e 150MHz daughter card, tested to work in apple 7600, 8600, etc.

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Who needs or wants some C64 computers, 1541s drives, 1541 II drives?

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Hi Still cleaning up here (seems I do this everyweek now) and noticed I have way too many.... C64s (tan version) with power supply 1541 Disk Drives 1541 II Disk Drives with power supply C64 Programmers reference guides I threw out all the bad shape ones, gave some away and still have way too many...about 4 of each... All of these are clean and work. They could be going to dump this week if no takers but it's ashame cause they are fine shape... See more of the stuff I have to giveaway/trade: http://computer_collector.tripod.com or http://members.tripod.com/computer_collector/ Claude

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Motorola 88000

by ken＠seefried.com

Interesting architecture. Brain dump follows; forgive inacurracy due to bit-rot in the brain. The 88000 was Motorola's' stab at RISC technology, after deciding (well, being told by customers), that there wasn't much interest in follow-ons to the 68040 (look how few 68060 adopters their were, relatively speaking). It came out in 1988, placing it late compared to the rest of the 1st generation of commercial RISC. Harvard architecture, 32 GP registers, register renaming, pipelined w/ interlocks, on-chip FPU, well defined co-processor interface and later on, superscalar & speculative execution. Later versions, as I recall, also had special bit manipulation instructions designed to manipulate pixel data (distant shades of Intel MMX) with seperate functional units to execute those instructions. All the right buzzwords, and it had very competative integer & FP benchmark numbers (I recall ~17MIPs & ~20MFLOPs @ 20MHz for the 88100, depending on speed). I know they ran at 16.67MHz, 20MHz, 25MHz & 33MHz; not sure about other speeds. It started life as a fairly typical multi-chip Motorola design, which certainly impacted manufacturing costs. There was a core CPU chip (the 88100), then some number of 88200 or 88204 CMMU chips, which provided 16KB or 64KB cache, respectively, and an MMU. Cache had split I+D buses, with a given chip dedicated to one or the other bus. One could use 0 to 8 CMMUs, giving up to 256K+256K I+D cache per CPU. AFAIK, 2 was the most common number, and 3 or more was rare due to cost. I know the BBN TC2000 used 3 per CPU, which gave 32KB I & 16K D cache (or vice versa). I can't recall off the top of my head a machine that used more than 4, though there certainly were some. Someone once told me that an Omron Luna used a single 88200 per processor. I've never seen one, so I can't confirm, nor would I know if it was caching instructions or data. Many folks used just the 88100 CPU for embedded applications. NCD built a bunch of 88k Xterminals sans CMMUs, for example. The later (and much faster) 88110 processor integrated MMU & cache (8k+8k I+D) on chip, much like what happened between the 68020 and the 68030 (well...sans cache to be pedantic). They also added more functional units. There was an 88120 that was planned but never saw the light of day. There was plug-and-play hardware support (e.g. hardware cache coherency mechanism) for up to 4 way multiprocessing, so you saw a lot of 2- and 4-way multis. Spinlocks, etc., were real easy to implement on the 88k. Motorola had a pretty strong ABI spec for SVR3 & SVR4 (88Open), which would have been useful had the chip been more successful. Not that I want to provide the canonical list of 88k machines, but I'm guessing DG sold the most 88000 machines. I personally used a Tektronics XD88, which was a beast performer at the time. Encore built a big 88k multi, as did BBN. There were a lot of MVME-based systems, with various badges. There are a bunch of rare/odd machines as well (the Omron Luna is significant because of it's role in developing Mach). As one poster pointed out, Apple considered using the 88000 (including producing prototype hardware and partially porting MacOS), as did NeXT. In the end, Motorola decided (for many reasons that I won't begin to untangle) to back the IBM PowerPC chip. The rest, as they say, is history. ObObscureHistoricalFootnote: DG apparently ported DG/UX to the SPARC at one point. To return the favor, Sun ported Solaris 2.5 to the PowerPC (the chip that replaced the 88000). Doubtful anyone ever purchased either product. That's how I remember it...I could be wrong... Ken Seefried, CISSP

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Nobody wants an HP-150?

by bills＠adrenaline.com

I'll try one more time... It's fully functional, including the touch screen. It has 640K of RAM (256K integrated + 384K on an expansion board). Best offer.

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Altair 8800 front panel lamps

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> > > >I live for the day when Outlook or Exchange allow me to > >simply establish a filter that strips all incoming mail > >of any HTML.... > > I live for the day I can strip OE for a real mailer not the cartoon thing > MS pushes off. My kind of mailer is Vax Mail. Nice simple command > line text mailer. I'm surprised that Elm and Pine haven't been ported to Win32 Console apps... -dq

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FOR TRADE...: APPLE IIGS Official Pubs. BOOKS reference Harware/Software manual set series (last time - they really gotta go...help please...)

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Yes, I have posted these before, bear with me please...its the last time... Well I have stumbled upon this box full of books again that I have offered a few times here. A few trade offers fell through but now I hope to get these to a good home...they must go now as part of my Spring cleaning 2001 project (now extending into summer 2001...) I would like to trade these - I dont use ebay to buy or sell so they wont go there. Id like to get something in return because I paid a bit of $ for these when I got them as part of a Apple IIgs bundle.... They are a box full of all the reference manuals for the IIgs hardware and software, I think 9-10 hard/softcover books in all. Toolbox reference vol 1,2,3...programmer intro to the Apple IIgs, etc... See a pic at : http://members.tripod.com/computer_collector/iigs/iigsbks.jpg I would except a trade for vintage stuff (home/hobby 8 bits/16 bits) not too common or better yet : as recent as possible SUN or SGI computers/equipement. Thanks Claude http://members.tripod.com/computer_collector

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(no subject)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 7, Brian Roth wrote: > Great! A couple of former DEC brokers I contacted did not even know what a > RV20 was. Shipping might be a bear though as I believe the weight will be > similar to and RL drive. Oh, that won't be a problem. I've shipped RK drives...as in RK07. 8) -Dave McGuire

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Free stuff

by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

I am currently reducing my collection to "DEC only" and in the coming weeks(months) will be posting some giveaways. I have bunches of everything to get rid of. I will give precedence to DEC related trades and then just ask for shipping charges after that. First off I need to know if anyone is interested in Data General stuff. I have a couple of box's of manuals and software. I believe there might be some early NOVA manuals in the stack. I also have a dual 8" rack mount floppy coming in. I would like to see these go to an active DG collector. I currently have 7 Intel MCS -80/85 Family User manuals in new condition. Free to anyone. A few bucks for postage at your convienience would be nice but not necessary. Like I said I have a lot of stuff and the shipping charges are going to add up after a while. Brian. -- Brian Roth - System Administrator www.webwirz.com - Old Computer Repository Preoccupation is my main occupation.....

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DEC Board, need help with info on...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 7, Geoff Reed wrote: > The 29-28310-01 is off a digital label. > > also on the board are > > 90-0000308-001 > and > 91-0000308-001-01 > > (C) 1989 Corrolary INC. > > it's an ISA board with an 80186 2 zilog z0853004PSC's an AM9517A-5 and a > boatload of pals on it, it looks kind of like a multiport serial card it > has mac looking ports on it that look just like the serial ports on a > macintosh or sparc IPC/IPX. (Mini-din8?) sorry, my memory is trashed this > am... > and i might be able to throw a picture online of it soon.... Hmm...Z8530 is a [very nice] dual-channel serial I/O chip and the Am9517 is a DMA controller...which, rather decidedly, makes it a high-speed multiport serial card. The Z8530 is capable of synchronous and HDLC/SDLC operation as well, up to 2mbps if memory serves. I have no idea what this particular board was built to do, but it could even be something fancy like that. -Dave McGuire

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No subject

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 6, Brian Roth wrote: > Any chance that someone may have an DEC RV20 worm drive they would like to > part company with? I just received some carts with software I would like to > read. Also looking for a keyboard for a VAXmate. A surplus house that I deal with now & then has had one on the shelf for some time. I'll head over there and ask 'em how much they want for it. If their price is reasonable for you I can go grab it and ship it to you. -Dave McGuire

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DEC Board, need help with info on...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 6, Geoff Reed wrote: > 29-28310-01 IC8X4 MULTIPLEXOR BOARD > > I don't know if this falles under the classic here, but any info I can get > on this would be great! compaq has been less than helpful on telling me > what it is.... Are there any other numbers on this board? Can you up a photo of it? -Dave McGuire

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Usenet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 7, Sellam Ismail wrote: > > > Geez....Microsoft created over 300 new newsgroups in the last day.... > > > > As if it's not bad enough that those idiots have set our industry > > back about fifteen years. NOW they're wasting bandwidth on top of it! > > I enjoy a good Microsoft bashing as much as the next nerd, but 300 > newsgroups out of the 50,000 or so that are currently in existence is not > going to break any camel backs ;) Oh, c'mon. It was a good enough excuse for me. ;) -Dave McGuire

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 7, 0:36, Megan wrote: > Pete Turnbull wrote: > >Allison, for once I feel you're wrong. An 11/53 is a distinct processor > I don't think that was the point of what she was saying... I think it > was that although the *BOX* said 11/53, there was actually an 11/23 > plugged into the bus. I can understand that might be the case nowadays, > with all the moving of boards and such... but I cannot believe that > DEC ever marketed a machine which said 11/53 which might contain an > 11/23 processor... someone surely would have noticed and had a problem > with it... Megan, I agree with what you say about boards being moved around. Of my ten or so PDP-11 systems only three or four had the "right" processor when I got them. But I got the distinct impression Allison was (at least at one stage) suggesting that (early) 11/53 systems were intended to have a processor that wasn't a distinct member of the 11/x3 family. Allison wrote: > Isn't the 11/53 the box name and the cpu being either an 11/73 > or 11/23B? Well, then it's not an 11/53 any more :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 6, 21:43, ajp166 wrote: > From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> > What part of what I wrote is unclear? The comment is most 11/53s I've > seen contained 11/23B cpus. that maybe "not as shipped" but very > commonplace. > > >office use. When it was announced (1987), it was as a J11 processor > with > >separate I&D space and RAM on the processor card -- which no 11/23 has. > I > >never heard of one having an 11/23 as shipped by DEC. > > > Never said it was. I said many early 11/53boxen HAD 11/23s not they > shipped > with 11/23s. Seems they were fertile ground for modified systems. It read as if you were saying an 11/53 could have a M8189. Of course a box can have a particular label, but have some other CPU in it - I have a few like that. But a box labeled 11/53 and having an 11/23 procssor in it is an 11/23, not an 11/53. It won't run RSX-11M or Ultrix configured for an 11/53, or various things. I'm surprised you say it's common. I can see that in a few cases the processor might be removed to use elsewhere, but how many systems end up with a 5-years-older processor in them? In my experience, it's much more common to see systems with later processors in them (though I'm thinking of 11/03 -> 11/23, 11/23 -> 11/73, 11/73 -> 11/83, microVAX -> microVAX-II upgrades). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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DEC Board, need help with info on...

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

29-28310-01 IC8X4 MULTIPLEXOR BOARD I don't know if this falles under the classic here, but any info I can get on this would be great! compaq has been less than helpful on telling me what it is....

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Rescue: *NEW* DG Aviion

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

The AViiON's were made by Data General, of NOVA fame. The first models appeared 1991 or therebouts. These used the (then) new Motorola 88000 RISC processor chip set. They made desktop (AV-300) and deskside (AV-400,500) workstations, as well as multi-processor servers (AV-8000's for example). The first ones were kinda slow, owing to the 1st generation RISC processor and a rather overweight UNIX port (DG/UX). Later multi-processor machines (some had as many as eight, IIRC) using the 88110 processor were much faster. Mot dropped the ball (as usual) in the mid-90's and abandoned the 88000 in favor of the PowerPC*. When this happened, DG shifted over to the 'Dark Side' (i.e. Intel) and have done nothing remarkable after that. IMNHO, only 88k AViiONs are really worth keeping (unless you're *really* into WINNT). DG/UX is okay, I guess; but I mostly like the fact that technical docs are available for at least one model (AV-530), and it has VME cardslots. *Footnote: What's truly tragic, is that Apple was preparing to manufacture 88000-based mac's (several prototypes were built in the early nineties). This project was squashed by internal politics, however. On 7 Jun 2001 1:59:57 +0100 "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> writes: > Isn't the Aviion the Motorola 88000 based line of workstations by > General Electric or some other megalomaniac corporation? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Rescue: *NEW* DG Aviion

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

There was a transition period where they made both kinds of machines. The 88000 was Mot's first attempt at RISC. Good design, lousy marketing, lousy support. On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 17:02:32 -0700 "Edwin P. Groot" <epgroot(a)ucdavis.edu> writes: > Before passing it over I took a quick look at the manual, dated > sometime after 1995. It mentioned both intel-based and 88000-based > computers. Never heard of an 88000. Is that Motorola? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

I have a 11/73 and several 11/23s (some with clock mods for speed) so I'm aware of what I said. MOST early 11/53 boxen actually had 11/23B cpu cards (M8189). Oh yes, I do have a very fast 11/23B as a result of a modded clock. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Engdahl <engdahl(a)cle.ab.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 2:45 PM Subject: RE: PDP-11/53+ Jumpers >The M7554 has a Qbus on the A-B connector, and nothing but grant jumpers and >power on the C-D connector. > >I don't know anything about 11/73's, but the first thing I noticed when I >got the 11/53 to boot was "Whoa! -- this thing is a lot faster than an >11/23". > >Maybe Allison had better go looking for someone with a very fast "11/23" and >get his CPU board back! > >-- >Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation >Principal Research Engineer 24800 Tungsten Road >Advanced Technology Euclid, OH 44117, USA >Euclid Labs engdahl(a)cle.ab.com 216-266-6409 > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Pete Turnbull >> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 3:22 AM >> To: classiccmp >> Subject: Re: PDP-11/53+ Jumpers >> >> >> On Jun 5, 22:37, ajp166 wrote: >> > Isn't the 11/53 the box name and the cpu being either an 11/73 >> > or 11/23B? All the 11/53s I've seen had 11/23B cpus (M8189). >> >> No, an 11/53 processor is an M7554, which is a quad board with J11, half a >> meg of memory, 2 SLUs, bootstrap, etc. It's rather like an >> 11/73B but with >> added memory (and no PMI capability, I think). It was designed as a low >> end system, and IIRC it's slightly slower than an 11/73. >> >> If you saw 11/53 BA23's with 11/23's in them, someone swapped the >> cards, or >> swapped the labels. >> >> >> >> -- >> Pete Peter Turnbull >> Network Manager >> University of York >> >

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classiccmp-digest V1 #621

by jweder＠telusplanet.net

Hi all.. This is just a quick test. I replied to the digest version of the list a few days ago but haven't seen that message in the digest, so I'm wondering what happened. Mind you could be it was deleted in disgust by the system because I likely accidentally included the whole text of the digest in my reply. Ooops!! By the way, I'm just getting into the classic computer thing. I found an IMSAI in beautiful shape a few years ago at an auction, and just recently a dusty old SWTPc 6800 at a flea market. The SWTP inspired me to find a source for intelligent knowledge about these old beasts. Right now I'm trying to talk to the IMSAI with my Hazeltine 1500 using current loop. I'm also trying to figure out what software is in the EPROM's. There are two groups of chips, one with 6 2708's and the other with 8, on a Godbout EconoROM board. Anyway, hopefully THIS message makes it. I'm looking forward to getting to know some of the folks here, and looking forward to getting to know my IMSAI and 6800 better too! Joel A. Weder jweder(a)telusplanet.net 403-556-4020

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 6, 19:34, ajp166 wrote: > I have a 11/73 and several 11/23s (some with clock mods for speed) > so I'm aware of what I said. MOST early 11/53 boxen actually had 11/23B > cpu cards (M8189). Allison, for once I feel you're wrong. An 11/53 is a distinct processor released a few years after the 11/73 and 11/83, as a low-cost option for office use. When it was announced (1987), it was as a J11 processor with separate I&D space and RAM on the processor card -- which no 11/23 has. I never heard of one having an 11/23 as shipped by DEC. It's listed in the 1987 PDP-11 Systems Handbook. Maybe Megan could look it up (I believe she has a copy?)? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

Any chance that someone may have an DEC RV20 worm drive they would like to part company with? I just received some carts with software I would like to read. Also looking for a keyboard for a VAXmate. Thanks, Brian. -- Brian Roth - System Administrator www.webwirz.com - Old Computer Repository Preoccupation is my main occupation.....

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> >On Jun 6, 19:34, ajp166 wrote: >> I have a 11/73 and several 11/23s (some with clock mods for speed) >> so I'm aware of what I said. MOST early 11/53 boxen actually had 11/23B >> cpu cards (M8189). > >Allison, for once I feel you're wrong. An 11/53 is a distinct processor >released a few years after the 11/73 and 11/83, as a low-cost option for What part of what I wrote is unclear? The comment is most 11/53s I've seen contained 11/23B cpus. that maybe "not as shipped" but very commonplace. >office use. When it was announced (1987), it was as a J11 processor with >separate I&D space and RAM on the processor card -- which no 11/23 has. I >never heard of one having an 11/23 as shipped by DEC. Never said it was. I said many early 11/53boxen HAD 11/23s not they shipped with 11/23s. Seems they were fertile ground for modified systems. >It's listed in the 1987 PDP-11 Systems Handbook. Maybe Megan could look it >up (I believe she has a copy?)? I have it. Allison

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DG stuff

by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

I did not realize your preservation efforts. If I donate this collection of manuals and software, will you eventually make them available to all? Some of the manuals I have are from 1969 and I also have some early DG direct and some sales literature. The software is Nova 3 and 4 I believe. Haven't looked at it in a while. I saved this stuff from the dumpster years ago hoping to use it for trading fodder for DEC related stuff someday. Now I'm just glad I saved it. Brian. Brian Roth - System Administrator www.webwirz.com - Old Computer Repository Preoccupation is my main occupation.....

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Rescue: *NEW* DG Aviion

by epgroot＠ucdavis.edu

Oh Crap! Last week at a garage sale I passed over a box of DG-UX software, thinking, "I'll never come across an Aviion". Sorry! Edwin At 08:36 PM 6/5/2001 -0400, you wrote: > I stopped at a scrap place today and found a NEW DG Aviion that they're >getting ready to scrap. This appears to be brand new and complete. It's >clean and looks like it's in perfect condition. It's very sharp >looking! I talked to them and they are interested in selling it as an > Joe > >

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Any Tektronix 4051, 5042, 4054, or 4662s or IBM 5100s out th ere?

by gessler＠ucla.edu

Hi Joe, Are you interested in parting with any of these? (My guess is that the 4025 is really a 4052.) I teach computational geography at UCLA and would like these to work on and show my students. Cheers, Nick At 09:52 PM 6/4/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Mike, > > I have a LOADED 4051 and a IBM 5100. I have ALL the toys for the 4051 > including the Altair-like front panel that was used for maintenance. I > also both of the optional 8" floppy drives. The 4662 is a plotter isn't > it? I think that's the model number of the one that I have. > > What the heck is a 4025?? I might be interested it. My wife makes > frequent trips to KC. In fact, she's out there now. > > Joe > >At 09:49 AM 6/4/01 -0500, you wrote: >>I recovered a Tektronix 4025 that still had a 3M style cartridge tape in the >>drive. Its a storage tube model, green screen and it works. The only >>problem is that the external case is missing. The keyboard and monitor >>bezel are there just the rest of the case is gone. I've had it in storage >>and I'd like to transfer it to someone who can appreciate it and maybe >>repair it. >>I'm in Kansas City >> >>Mike McFadden >>mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu Nicholas Gessler gessler(a)ucla.edu Box 706, 22148 Monte Vista Drive Topanga, CA 90290-0706 310.455.1630 (home office) 310.825.4728 (UCLA office) 310.825.7428 (UCLA fax) Special Projects, UCLA Center for Digital Humanities Founding Co-Director, UCLA Center for Computational Social Science Instructor, Geography, Computational Cartography In preparation - "Artificial Culture - Experiments in Synthetic Anthropology." Web Portal: http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~gessler

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Rescue: *NEW* DG Aviion

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Actually, it all depends on how new the machine is. If it was built after about 1996, it's probably an Intel based system-- hardly worthy of notice. Before that, they made systems using the 88000-- now these are interesting because very few makers used this chip set. Jeff On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 12:59:10 -0700 "Edwin P. Groot" <epgroot(a)ucdavis.edu> writes: > Oh Crap! Last week at a garage sale I passed over a box of > DG-UX > software, thinking, "I'll never come across an Aviion". > > Sorry! > Edwin > > At 08:36 PM 6/5/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > I stopped at a scrap place today and found a NEW DG Aviion that > they're > >getting ready to scrap. This appears to be brand new and complete. > It's > >clean and looks like it's in perfect condition. It's very sharp > >looking! I talked to them and they are interested in selling it > as an > > Joe > > > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> >I believe all the boards listed below are the various varients of the /53 >and /53+. It was commonly used in DECservers 550's which explains the LAT >ROMs listed on some of them. One of those can be converted to a PDP-11/53 >by replacing the ROMs with PDP-11/53 ROMs. Oh yes there were plenty of variantion of the base "11/53" out there. Most were supposed to be J11 powered but like I said many have M8189s. Allison

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Altair 8800 front panel lamps

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> >I live for the day when Outlook or Exchange allow me to >simply establish a filter that strips all incoming mail >of any HTML.... I live for the day I can strip OE for a real mailer not the cartoon thing MS pushes off. My kind of mailer is Vax Mail. Nice simple command line text mailer. Allison

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need copy of email about PDP11 in new york!

by vaxman＠qwest.net

I deleted it... thanks, clint

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by kees.stravers＠iae.nl

On 2001-06-06 classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org said to kees.stravers(a)iae.nl >> > Does anyone have the jumpers for a PDP-11/53+ CPU board? >I know of four people that are looking for this information. >There used to be a pdf of "EK-OLCP5-TM-001 Micro/PDP-11 System >Technical Manual" on www.retrobytes.org, but that site is gone >Antonio Carlini has a copy of that pdf. He uploaded it to >www.vararchive.org a couple days ago. I have not yet been able >to find it at the archive. Evidently the maintainer hasn't got >around to it yet. The pdf is there already, but I forgot to upload the modified index file ;-( sorry! I just did, and now you can download the pdf from http://www.vaxarchive.org/manuals/ It should also appear a day later at http://vaxarchive.khubla.com/manuals/ >I know what that's like. I'll wait a few days >before I bug him. Or perhaps, if the vaxarchive is going to be a >problem, someone could provide a more appropriate place that >Antonio can upload the doc to. >Are vax.sevensages.org and www.vaxarchive.org the same place, >different, or is one a mirror of the other? The vaxarchive >address seems to be down at the moment. The server that is hosting www.vaxarchive.org is indeed a bit unstable because it also has many other things to do. But I am not complaining because the owner of the machine lets me use many megabytes for free and when the machine goes down, it is always fixed quickly. The servers that are hosting the mirrors should be more stable. There are two active mirrors at the moment: http://vaxarchive.khubla.com/ - is automatically updated once a day http://vaxarchive.sevensages.org/ - is manually updated at irregular moments They are both located in the U.S., as is the vaxarchive machine itself. I am working on a mirror in Europe. If anyone else wants to mirror, please get in touch. Kees -- Kees Stravers - Geldrop, The Netherlands - kees.stravers(a)iae.nl http://www.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/ My home page (old computers,music,photography) http://www.vaxarchive.org/ Info on old DEC VAX computers (Mirrors: http://vaxarchive.khubla.com/ and http://vaxarchive.sevensages.org/) Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Registered

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Nobody wants an HP-150?

by bills＠adrenaline.com

> Loco-ation? (If I can't go get it, it's forget it) Sorry... It's in Washington, DC.

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Nobody wants an HP-150?

by Demon02554＠aol.com

how big i might be interested

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Will trade classic HW for CP/M 2.2 help!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Bob, I'm not far away, Maybe I can help. FYI I have NO data on the tarbell controller but if the disk is standard SSSD I can help. No interest in the HP or symbolics though, too far off my collection. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Bob Shannon <bshannon(a)tiac.net> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 7:42 PM Subject: Will trade classic HW for CP/M 2.2 help! >To any CP/M 2.2 users with 8-inch SSSD floppy disks... > >I'm restoring an Imsai 8080, and at this point my hardware is working very >well, but I need some assistance with the software. > >If any list member can help, I'm willing to trade classic hardware such as an HP >9830A desktop programmable (in basic!) calculator, a Symbolics 3645 Lisp Machine >(with 2 monitors, and full doc set), a Solid State Music S-100 bus music >synthisizer, DEC goodies, etc... > >Lets make a deal....without eBay..... > >All the hardware for trade is located in centeral MA, not too far from the site >for VCF East! >Who ever gets this deal, and helps get this Imsai up to the A:> prompt WILL be >made happy. > >(and share in the satisfaction of saving this particular Imsai from the dust bin >of history) > >My problem is this: > >I need a bootable 8-inch, SSSD CP/M 2.2 disk made with a BIOS for my hardware... >I do have full documentation for all the hardware installed in my system. > >I have an Imsai 8080 with 40K of RAM, a Tarbell 1101-D floppy controller with 2 >SA-800 >drives, and a Solid State Music IO-4 board. There are some old CP/M 1.3 disks >that came >with the system, and they ~appear~ to boot, but I get no console I/O. Most of the >disks >claim to be for memory configurations larger than I currently have. > >I can disable the Tarbell boot code and enter small programs by hand, and I've >verifed that >the SSM IO-4 boards serial port is fully operational. Attempting to boot a 24K >CP/M 1.3 >disk ~looks~ like its working, the head loads and unloads several times, data gets >loaded >into memory by the boot loader code from the floppy, but no console I/O. > >Who knows what hardware config this disk expects, it appears to be a very early >CP/M >install for this Imsai, and its clearly been expanded several times since this >disk was cut. > >I'd also LOVE to upgrade the many 2102 based Ram boards with any non-2102 based >SRAM >board. I do have 22 slots, but 4K and 8K boards just take up too much room. > >So, is anyone out there with 8-inch CM/M 2.2, and who is just dying for a >Symbolics 3645? > >Just 'gottahave' an HP9830A (all key caps, unbroken plastic, etc) LED dot matrix >calculator? >(check one out on the HP calculator museum site, clearly collectable...) > >Drop me a line off the list, and lets make a deal! >

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OT: PC104 connectors

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: I posted this question to ChipCenter a few weeks ago, but I've gotten no responses. Where can I purchase PC/104 stacking connectors in really low (single unit) quantities? My usual suppliers DigiKey, Mouser and Jameco don't carry them. I'm checking Pioneer Standard and some of the major supplier houses, but has anyone actually purchased these for prototyping purposes? Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

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Another Auction Site

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 6/6/01 11:10:57 AM Central Daylight Time, marvin(a)rain.org writes: << John Foust wrote: > > I can't think of any significant change to eBay's UI in the > last few years. You can no longer directly email a buyer or seller but have to go through Ebays intermittently working email forwarding system, the requirement to use Active X in order to use their new photo hosting service, the sellers page requires javascript unless you have the old page bookmarked or go through a two step process to get there, the addition of the BIN (Buy It Now) feature, the addition of spam ads (half.com) competing with sellers when doing a search, the use of cookies to monitor buyer/seller habits, ... >> grrrr, it sucks. I have to clear out all kinds of javascript errors running my favourite netscape 3... I really miss the option to directly email sellers. Good deals could be made that way!

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 5, 22:37, ajp166 wrote: > Isn't the 11/53 the box name and the cpu being either an 11/73 > or 11/23B? All the 11/53s I've seen had 11/23B cpus (M8189). No, an 11/53 processor is an M7554, which is a quad board with J11, half a meg of memory, 2 SLUs, bootstrap, etc. It's rather like an 11/73B but with added memory (and no PMI capability, I think). It was designed as a low end system, and IIRC it's slightly slower than an 11/73. If you saw 11/53 BA23's with 11/23's in them, someone swapped the cards, or swapped the labels. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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S-100 Bus Voltages

by epgroot＠ucdavis.edu

Anybody know the voltage tolerances for S-100 bus computers, or where such info. can be found? I am preparing to run a 1981 vintage, 19-slot S-100 system. After pulling all but one of the cards out I powered up the system. Fans run fine, but the motherboard voltage supplies are rather high. For +8V I measure 10.7V; for +16V I get -19.3V; and for -16V I get -19.3V. Is this some careless engineering, bad components, or is the board really NOT supposed to receive the nominal voltage? Many of the S-100 boards are discoloured brown-green on the solder side opposite these large transistor-like things with heat sinks. Is that something to worry about? I also measured the DC voltages of the pins of one of the slots. This is what I got (assuming that pins 1|51 is at the power supply end): volts pin# volts | volts pin# volts | volts pin# volts | volts pin# volts ----- ----- ----- | ----- ----- ----- | ----- ----- ----- | ----- ----- ----- 10.7 1 51 10.7 | ? 13 63 ? | ? 26 76 ? | 1.4 38 88 1.4 ? 2 52 -19.5 | 5 14 64 ? | ? 27 77 ? | 1.3 39 89 1.3 5 3 53 0 | ? 15 65 ? | ? 28 78 1.3 | 1.3 40 90 1.3 5 4 54 5 | ? 16 66 ? | 1.6 29 79 1.3 | 0.1 41 91 0.1 5 5 55 5 | ? 17 67 5 | 1.3 30 80 1.3 | 0.1 42 92 0.1 5 6 56 5 | 5 18 68 ? | 1.3 31 81 1.3 | 0.1 43 93 0.1 5 7 57 5 | 5 19 69 ? | ? 32 82 1.3 | 1.3 44 94 0.1 5 8 58 ? | 0 20 70 0 | ? 33 83 1.3 | 1.3 45 95 0.1 5 9 59 ? | ? 21 71 ? | ? 34 84 0 | 1.3 46 96 1.3 5 10 60 5 | 5 22 72 5 | 1.4 35 85 0 | AC? 47 97 AC? 5 11 61 ? | 5 23 73 5 | 1.4 36 86 0 | ? 48 48 5 5 12 62 ? | 1.3 24 74 5 | ? 37 87 0 | 1.3 49 99 5 | ? 25 75 ? | | 0 50 100 0 Does that look safe enough to put the boards back and see how this system runs? A fair amount of current runs through these slots. I nearly welded my probe to the slot when I accidently shorted two pins! Any help, encouragement is much appreciated! Edwin

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Another Auction Site

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

That's why they changed it! They refused to consider the benefit it was to *users*-- only that they figured that it was taking money out of their pocket! Obviously, the general manager of E-Pay is a graduate of the Bill Gates School of Business. School Motto: 'Userium, Illigitium, Screvvium'* *Translation: (Loosely) 'Users-- Screw the Bastards!" :^) On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:24:35 EDT SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com writes: > grrrr, it sucks. I have to clear out all kinds of javascript errors > running my favourite netscape 3... I really miss the option to directly > email sellers. Good deals could be made that way! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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old date plz

by blacklord＠telstra.com

----- Original Message ----- From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Saturday, June 2, 2001 3:20 am Subject: Re: old date plz > AFAIK, there was never an internal hard disk for the PPC640 series > -- > there's no obvious way to add one, anyway (no internal bus > connectors for > the controller). So without a boot disk it's not going to do very > much. > Have you tried making an MS-DOS 3.3 boot disk (720K, 3.5") and > booting > from that? My Amstrad PPC (640K, 2 floppies) boots fine from such > a disk Actually, when I was working for a company in Sydney (when the PPC512's & PPC640's came out), we did manage to interface a drive to 'em, it's a *very* tight squeeze, but you can fit them in. BL ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

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Altair 8800 front panel lamps

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I still don't get the idea why Alison is upset because of HTML. > It's a 7 Bit encoded text/Plain message of unknown charset (so > US-ASCII is to be assumed) - so where is the gag ? I can't, and won't, speak for Allison. However, from conversations I've carried on with her in the past, she likes, as do I, the "in-band" method of replying to a pervious poster's comments, like I'm doing now. Of course, since the only part of your message I wanted to reply to was the snippet above, this message isn't a good demonstration of what I'm trying to say. Anyway, it's easier to intersperse my replies with the original comments- I do not like the way many people just stick all their comments either at the top or at the bottom of a message. Now, if I reply to an HTML-format message and intersperse my remarks with the originals, and FORGET to convert from HTML to plain-text before I begin, some people will see my post and see only the quoted original, and won't see my replies unless they want to wade through the HTML-ized version of it. If we were all just posting manifestos, Allison and I might not object as much as we do. But we're trying to carry on conversations, and I simply think plain text does the best job of carrying that conversation. I live for the day when Outlook or Exchange allow me to simply establish a filter that strips all incoming mail of any HTML.... Regards, -dq

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by dittman＠dittman.net

Does anyone have the jumpers for a PDP-11/53+ CPU board? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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Classic Junk Sought

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

I wonder what kind of reply that heading will get? Actually, what I am looking for in this particular case would indeed be junk to most people. During the 1960s, Control Data Corp created a line of systems using the 3000 series designation. The peripheral cabinets for these were particularly (IMHO) cool looking, with cabinets that had sides bedecked with rectangular bezels backes with dark- blue-smoked glass (or plexiglass). Disk controllers, tape controllers, and unit-record controllers were all in cabinets like these, about 4 feet high. I think CPU and memory were in similarly-designed cabinets that were about 72 inched tall. So, I'd love to find one of the 4-foot cabinets, it would not matter what the controller was, or if it worked; hell, it could even be an empty cabinet. If anyone finds/has one, I know of a good home for it... Regards, -doug quebbeman

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SCSI or Voodoo?

by cmurillo＠emtelsa.multi.net.co

At 10:28 AM 6/4/01 +0100, you wrote: > >> ST15150N Seagate 3.5" 4.3GB 1.6" Half Height SCSI H-ST-15150N > >> Narrow 50-pin > > It should, but I don't have a lot of confidence in old Seagate >drives. > >Hmm, if that's one of the Barracuda drives, I've run one for several years >without trouble. They do get *very* hot though, so make sure you've got a >decent cooling system. Yup, those barracudas run very hot, and sink lots of power. But they were pretty fast for their time. Just make sure that the airflow and the power supply are adequate and you should have no problems. I've been running three ST15150WD for years. carlos. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Isn't the 11/53 the box name and the cpu being either an 11/73 or 11/23B? All the 11/53s I've seen had 11/23B cpus (M8189). Allison -----Original Message----- From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: Re: PDP-11/53+ Jumpers >> Does anyone have the jumpers for a PDP-11/53+ CPU board? >> -- >> Eric Dittman >> dittman(a)dittman.net > >This is a FAQ, and sadly no one seems to, either on the list or elsewhere. >If anyone has them I need them also. > > Zane >

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3.5" MFM hard disk

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Tue, 29 May 2001 09:56:17 -0400 "Jeff Hellige" <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> writes: > The board is from Sun Remarketing and is labled as being > manufactured by them. It is in an Apple Lisa and converts the > signals from the external parallel port to those of the MFM drive. > The converter and hard disk are mounted directly above the floppy > drive internally with a ribbon cable going out the back of the > case to the external port. I'll look at it again when I > get home and post specifics on it. Unfortunately, I don't have any > documentation on the hard disk setup. Ah, I see. It's some whacko custom thingie. Didn't the Lisa originally use some kind of ProFile-ish thing (custom interface, custom drive electronix, etc.). > I've had a few of the Adaptec boards, including one mounted in > an Atari SH-204 hard disk, converting from the ST's interface to the MFM > drive mounted in the enclosure. Hm, very interesting! I wonder what model they used? Like I said before, most of the early SCSI boards from Adaptec (and most of the other mfr's as well at that time) were only partial SCSI implementations. Ah, well, mebbe I stuck my foot in my mouth-- the ST did have a SCSI interface, didn't it? Or was it yet another whacko custom thingie . . Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Rescue: *NEW* DG Aviion

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I stopped at a scrap place today and found a NEW DG Aviion that they're getting ready to scrap. This appears to be brand new and complete. It's clean and looks like it's in perfect condition. It's very sharp looking! I talked to them and they are interested in selling it as an intact unit so if anyone is intersted contact me directly and I'll give you the contact information. I don't know what they want for it but their prices are generally very reasonable. This is a big unit. It's over 6 feet tall and is the size of a large refrigerator. I think the model number on it is D11003-7. Does anyone have the specs on it? No, I can't buy it and store it or ship it to you. I don't have the space, time or money. Sorry. The people that have it are in an industrial area and have forklifts and such so they can load it or arrange shipping. It's located in Melbourne, Florida. Joe

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Any Tektronix 4051, 5042, 4054, or 4662s or IBM 5100s out th ere?

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I recovered a Tektronix 4025 that still had a 3M style cartridge tape in the drive. Its a storage tube model, green screen and it works. The only problem is that the external case is missing. The keyboard and monitor bezel are there just the rest of the case is gone. I've had it in storage and I'd like to transfer it to someone who can appreciate it and maybe repair it. I'm in Kansas City Mike McFadden mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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Altair 8800 front panel lamps

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: John Allain <allain(a)panix.com> >> ...OE users, ditch OE... > >I certainly wouldn't reccomend 'O' over 'OE'. It was slower >and creepier, ie more complex and Even Less Open than >OE as if that was possible. PS pick Format>Plain Text > or Tools>Options>Send>Plain Text depending > on where you are. AAaack Pbffftttttffff! I'm not thrilled either. I could use Netscrap Communicator but it tends to crash. Not a good thing. Allison

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PDP-11 stuff in Stamford, CT

by jss＠ou.edu

I just saw this in the info-pdp11 list, and I knew there would be some of us on this list interested. If I lived closer, I would be truckin' once again. I'm just the messenger here; please respond to the guy below. His e-mail addy is fcs_smith(a)snet.net -- you must remove the 1111 from what is listed below. -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)ou.edu ----- BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE ----- Forwarded message from Kelvin Smith <fcs_smith1111(a)snet.net> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:18:06 -0400 From: Kelvin Smith <fcs_smith1111(a)snet.net> Reply-To: Kelvin Smith <fcs_smith1111(a)snet.net> Subject: Equipment in Stamford, CT To: info-pdp11(a)village.org It's a nostalgic occasion, but we're clearing out our PDP-11 equipment. The following equipment is available in Stamford, CT (35 miles from New York City): 11/84 with 1024 KW memory (2) 11/44 with 512 KW memory (4) UDA50 BA11 expansion box (2) RA90 in SA600-XA cabinet RA81 TU81+ H9647 cabinet H9645 cabinet (200) 9-track tapes, 2400' & 3600', bulk-erased (2) 120-tape racks LA120 (with ribbons) LA100 (with ribbons) cables, including heavy-duty extension power cords with circular plugs All are available for best offer, except that minimum price on the 11/84 is $100 (I've got an offer on that). I'll consider offers to take equipment just for the cost of shipping & packaging (or by picking it up here), as that potentially saves me carting stuff to a dump/recycler, and keeps perfectly good equipment in good hands. All items were working as of a year ago, when we switched to Ersatz-11 on a PC. Kelvin Smith Financial Computer Systems Stamford, CT (203) 357-0504 (remove 1111 for e-mail) ----- END FORWARDED MESSAGE -----

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Free CDC boards

by rdd＠smart.net

In the spirit of avoiding E-bay, I'm offering a stack of CDC controller boards scavenged from three or four washing-machine sized drives that a former employer scrapped. Note: These boards were in the trunk of my car while it sat for a few months and mice got inside, so they'll need to be cleaned up a bit. Still, it would be a sham to see them go to waste. I haven't space for them. Any takers? (locally preferred, but I can ship them) -- Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd(a)perqlogic.com 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.perqlogic.com/rdd beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.

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SB-180?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Well add that to you 404 list.. It was a live one not too long ago. TCJ apparently evaporated. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Edwin P. Groot <epgroot(a)ucdavis.edu> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, June 04, 2001 2:00 PM Subject: Re: SB-180? >At 04:40 PM 6/3/2001 -0400, you wrote: >>I have one with the SCSI/com card. > > That Web site doesn't exist - HTTPd gives me 404 error. Has the site >moved? >> >>There is also Uzi unix for the SB180, on the www.psyber.com/~tcj > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>site. >> >>Allison >

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Any Tektronix 4115B and their ilk

by Innfogra＠aol.com

> Tek > 4115B systems for sale cheap ... what's the difference between them and > are they worth "cluttering up" my storage area with. He indicated they > were large & heavy!! > The Tek 4115Bs were an early engineering workstation based on the intel 8086 processor. The 412X series were based on the 80286 processor otherwise they were basically the same chassis. Up to 8 planes of color graphics with it's own memory. I believe the monitors were 1280X1024 and extremely heavy, about 120 pounds each it seems. Some of the 4129s came with Sony Trinitrons. You often cannot tell a 4115 from a 4129 without looking at the card set, they were upgraded so often. The upgrades are listed as obscure option numbers on the component plate. You cannot tell the model from any numbers on the monitors. Most of the ones I have seen have 4115 on the monitor but could be up to 4129s inside. Some of the "B" model monitors while the same case are of different configuration? cabling? frequency? I know there is some difference but my manuals are not accessible. There is also a weight difference. The "B" monitors were about 100 pounds instead of 120 pounds. The CPU came in two styles the Plain and the "B" (i.e., 4115"B"). The Plain looked like a desk with room for this large monitor. The front of the CPU cabinet extended out for a keyboard shelf with feet and bad casters extending out in front. This part of the case with cards and drives may weigh about 150 pounds. The "B" model was a largish deskside rollaround about 14" wide X24"high X32" deep on casters, weight about 100 pounds. Not a bad box for a collectable workstation. It is shippable too. The monitor was same as the 4115 with the noted "B" exceptions and meant to sit on a table or desk and connect with the CPU by cables. As to shipping weights a Plain with monitor & keyboard is about 270-300 pounds and a pure "B" is about 220-230 pounds. As to drives, the 41XX came with one or two 8" DSDD floppy drives. There was a 10 meg 8" HD option that was very rare. I have seen & sold over 30 of these systems and have never seen the Hard Drive option. The "B" model hides the drives behind a front tiltdown shelf. I like that design. The "plain" has both drives laying flat side by side across the front above the keyboard shelf. Needless to say you need the matching Tek keyboards. There were two kinds. One with a standard D (9/15 pin???) for the 411Xs and one with a round connector for the 412Xs. Other options available were digitizing tablets, a joystick, 1, 2, 4 & 8 plane color graphics, a tiling card set for the 4129, a 3 serial port option, hard drive interface, and more. If you find a "B" with an HD save it. I think they are rare....and nice. I bet there is software among the list members. You can ship a "B" in two Boxes and get it under the UPS limit of 150 pounds. I have done that. The original "plain" uprights have to be palletized with care. If the monitor is shipped in it's normal configuration, on top, it has a lot of inertia and has to be restrained by more than lots of shrink wrap. Even though it weighs 120 pounds it loves to slide around. Careful packing with heavy cardboard is essential here. I have some circuit cards for the Tek 41xx series that I am interested in parting with if anyone out there is interested. Paxton Astoria, Oregon P. S; The bad news is that these have a fair amount of Aluminum, Mu and gold in them so a scrapper tends to look at them as valuable but work to get apart. The cards in the early 4115s are heavy with silicon and gold and are worth about $2 per pound.

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by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

For all that may be interested I started a DEC "BCxx" cable guide on my website. Its is an ongoing project that I hope to complete in a couple of weeks. Let me know what errors anyone may happen to find. I will scan all the data sheets that I currently have and add them to the index. I tried to balance download time over a 56k dialup with the scanning resolution/compression to something I hope is acceptable. www.webwirz.com Thanks, Brian. -- Brian Roth - System Administrator www.webwirz.com - Old Computer Repository Preoccupation is my main occupation.....

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on subject line

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

While I have no gripe with Amigas they are foreign to my expereince and collection. Being far from my expecience would make them a non-solution. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Ford <padf(a)ihug.co.nz> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, June 04, 2001 1:31 AM Subject: Re: on subject line >Gidday ajp166 > >On 04-Jun-01, you wrote: > >>> And what're all you ClassicCmpers doing reading e-mail on Windows PCs >> and >>> Macs anyhow? How embarassing. :-) >>> >>> -brian. > > >> Simple, other than PCs the only netable machines I have are, Vaxen, >> PDP-11s. Of those the PDP-11s really dont have a OS that supports IP networking >> and the vaxen are all serial consoles (no graphics). Doable on vaxen but not >> practical. > >> I might do it on a CP/M crate but then I need a PC to run PPOE to serial >> gateway. >> Its a matter of expediency and general need for modern compatability even >> if I hate PCs in general. > >You need an Amiga as a one stop solution. It's definitely classic, but >fully capable to 21st century standards. And the OS normally >impresses mini and mainframe freaks with it's economy, elegance and power. > >Regards >-- > *Patrick Ford Auckland, New Zealand* > */#icq#/ 51642681* >The Japanese call us lazy, but at least we cook our fish! > Support *Open Directory Project* NO banners, NO junk--just information. >*ODP *is built by volunteers and owned by the community . >-------> http://dmoz.org <-----------Check it out > > > > > >

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Wanted: Newer DEC serial terminals with PC-style keyboard

by INFOANM＠aol.com

Ive got VT420s for sale - some brand new. How many do you need? how much are you looking to pay? I also have disks, servers, printers etc... infoanm(a)aol.com 201-738-1703 USA

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Any Tektronix 4051, 5042, 4054, or 4662s or IBM 5100s out th ere?

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 6/4/01 6:57:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: > What the heck is a 4025?? I might be interested it. My wife makes > frequent trips to KC. In fact, she's out there now. > > Joe > > At 09:49 AM 6/4/01 -0500, you wrote: > >I recovered a Tektronix 4025 that still had a 3M style cartridge tape in > the > >drive. Its a storage tube model, green screen and it works. The only > >problem is that the external case is missing. The keyboard and monitor > >bezel are there just the rest of the case is gone. I've had it in storage > The 4025 is a dumb terminal that Tektronix made with a separate keyboard. It did not have a tape drive IIRC, nor a storage tube. >From the description I thought it was a 4052 with the 2 & 5 transposed. I do that sometimes. As Joe and everyone who collects old Tek knows is that the cases are heavy high grade aluminum which are easy to clean and sell. Many of these computers are guts only by the time anyone gets to them. I sent one in similar condition to Joe a couple of years ago. Paxton Astoria, OR

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New finds - swap & question

by mbg＠world.std.com

Thanks very much... and I recently had my birthday as well... :-) my parents have told me that I'm officially middle-aged... <sigh> Megan

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Garage Cleaning

by lance＠costanzo.net

Rather that do what I should have been doing this afternoon, I went into the garage and tried to find some things to get rid of. First pass: about 50 pounds of manuals, (mostly HP-150), and 50 pounds of not interesting PC parts. Only offered to this mailing list. I want beer money for them. Details, photos, etc: http://www.kzin.com/trader Lance.

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RM Nimbus PC1

by witchy＠vorbis.demon.co.uk

Hi folks, I remember a discussion on here a few months ago about Intel 80186 machines and one of the better ones was the RM (Research Machines) Nimbus PC1, which was also known for having a PicoNet port as well as a largely unknown 'network' port. I came across 2 of these today in a junk shop that haven't got the 'network' port but they *have* got everything else. Anyone interested in them? One has a keyboard but the other doesn't. Looking at it though I suspect a bog-standard IBM-compatible keyboard will do the trick - I can try it if anyone shows interest. There's pix of a PC1 on the museum site below, just follow the links to the Research Machines page. cheers! adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Online Computer Museum 0:OK, 0:1

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New finds - swap & question

by mbg＠world.std.com

Sorry for that mail to the list... I hadn't read it closely and though it was private... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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you vs. museums

by Demon02554＠aol.com

>> just a short note here saying how much I appreciate >> Microsoft... i hope i'm detecting a slight tone of sarcasm...(or more preferably a really heavy one)

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you vs. museums

by tcmail＠ix.netcom.com

Just a note from a museum person who stumbled upon your discussion from March '01...too bad you have this antagonistic attitude - you could probably share resources with a local museum and do a lot of good. They would love the information you could provide (and maybe do some public good with?), and they might have resources (including potential access to grant money, etc.) that you would also enjoy. It doesn't seem like them offering someone a tax incentive should be such a problem in that case... Best wishes, Tim

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[classiccmp] on subject line

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>And what're all you ClassicCmpers doing reading e-mail on Windows PCs and >Macs anyhow? How embarassing. :-) > >-brian. Simple, other than PCs the only netable machines I have are, Vaxen, PDP-11s. Of those the PDP-11s really dont have a OS that supports IP networking and the vaxen are all serial consoles (no graphics). Doable on vaxen but not practical. I might do it on a CP/M crate but then I need a PC to run PPOE to serial gateway. Its a matter of expediency and general need for modern compatability even if I hate PCs in general. Allison

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SCSI or Voodoo?

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> ST15150N Seagate 3.5" 4.3GB 1.6" Half Height SCSI H-ST-15150N >> Narrow 50-pin > It should, but I don't have a lot of confidence in old Seagate drives. Hmm, if that's one of the Barracuda drives, I've run one for several years without trouble. They do get *very* hot though, so make sure you've got a decent cooling system. cheers Jules

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Wanted: DEC Server 700

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Hi everyone, I would like to acquire a DEC Server 700 (8 port version is fine) to use with my VAX VLC cluster project. I've got a DEC Server 300/MC that is a stand in but with the VLCs it doesn't "blend" very well :-). Anyway, I'm willing to pay money for it ($50 - $75), I would even trade a MicroVAX III board set (16MB RAM + KA650 CPU), but they do seem to get run up rather quickly on Ebay for some reason (I guess they work well!) No doubt they will eventually begin falling from the sky but for now, who knows. --Chuck

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Unisys "Micro A"

by allain＠panix.com

Unisys "Micro A" Anybody know about such a system? I took in a stray cat system a few months ago, started parting it out, saw something interesting, then put it all back together again. Today I booted it up (fits on 15A, hurrah!) and determined the following: Base system: Intel mobo w/8MB Adaptec SCSI OS/2 on SCSI disk internal SCSI tape (QIC) external SCSI tape (DAT) VGA card Add-Ons: Unisys "Micro A" CPU card (perhaps DC113) daughter memory card two multiplexed serial cards Another Adaptec SCSI card, apparently for the Uni half of the system. Another Internal SCSI drive two external drives Surprized it actually does stuff. The "Micro A" system is controlled by three OS/2 Apps: Admin, ODT 1, and SCS (System Control Subsystem) (nice name) (huh?). ODT 1 is a cryptic CLI system, SCS is a boot console for the HW Anybody got any beans to spill on this? is it just a big printer controller? I noticed the Micro A is apparently microcontrolled. What was it sold for? John A.

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