- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 12:41 AM 7/2/01 -0500, you wrote: >Anybody remember John Dvorak's "IBM and the Seven Dwarfs" columns >in Computer Shopper a few years ago? He gave a short history of a >dwarf each month. I should have saved them... //quote IBM and the seven dwarfs was a phrase from the mid-'60s, when IBM ruled the market. By 1965 IBM had a 65.3 percent market share; the seven dwarfs shared the rest. This month's tale concerns Burroughs Corp., one of the dwarfs; the others were Sperry Rand (formerly Remington Rand), Control Data, Honeywell, General Electric, RCA, and NCR. // burroughs http://www.zdnet.com/computershopper/edit/cshopper/content/9710/cshp0040.ht… sperry rand http://www.zdnet.com/computershopper/edit/cshopper/content/9711/cshp0115.ht… ge http://www.zdnet.com/computershopper/edit/cshopper/content/9712/cshp0087.ht… honeywell http://www.zdnet.com/computershopper/edit/cshopper/content/9801/cshp0098.ht… control data http://www.zdnet.com/computershopper/edit/cshopper/content/9802/268189.html ncr http://www.zdnet.com/computershopper/edit/cshopper/content/9804/288538.html rca http://www.zdnet.com/computershopper/stories/reviews/0,7171,278591,00.html feedback http://www.zdnet.com/computershopper/edit/cshopper/content/9811/352639.html

25 years, 3 months

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Questions about VMSTPC

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Hello everyone, An acquaintance of mine is having trouble either compiling and/or using the VMSTPC package under Alpha OpenVMS 7.1. Is anyone running VMSTPC under OpenVMA 7.1 on an Alpha? If so, would you be willing to talk to him? He's trying to read magtapes that are over 10 years old, so it's as on-topic as you can get... Thanks in advance, -doug quebbeman

25 years, 3 months

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OS/2

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 6/28/01 7:42:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pechter(a)bg-tc-ppp1667.monmouth.com writes: << > Bill Pechter skrev: > > >I'd liked a cross between OS/2 and VAX/VMS... maybe with FreeBSD > >thrown in. > > Isn't that Windows NT? Not if you have to use the GUI to admin it and reboot to change network addresses. > > >Always liked OS/2 and always will. IBM was screwed by M$ who kept > >changing Win32 and keeping new apps from running on OS/2. > > So what? OS/2 is OS/2 and Windows is Windows. You can't just rely on some > other OS vendor to supply you with the right API and applications. > > But M$ promised if you code to Win32S it would be portable to OS/2, > Win3.1 and Win95/NT and kept changing the DLLs to break it. .The only problem in OS/2 was if the Workplace Shell threads blocked and >locked up you'd lose the desktop... but all the server services >like network kept going. >Getting a prompt and login from Telnet was possible on OS/2 when it >wasn't standard in NT. >The ftp and telnet servers made OS/2 pretty compatible to >FreeBSD/Linux/Unix in what it could do on a lan. >> OS/2 v.3 had a single input queue which caused the problem where the desktop would not respond but the system will still chug along just fine. If you had a multithreaded foreground app that quit working, sometimes there was no way to break of it. Supposedly that was fixed in Warp 4 but i've still had it quit on me. Installing that program called Watchcat has saved me several times from rebooting. -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: www.nothingtodo.org

25 years, 3 months

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VAXen

by jrussell＠apmsafe.com

Hello! My coworker and I are looking for an archival server that we can collect the files we use on and we want something with character, much like a VAX. I have seen your page and was wondering if you knew of anyone selling a VAX with SCSI capability. BTW, can we put a 36 gig drive into it? Nick

25 years, 3 months

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Micro Cornucopia auction

by paul＠orchard.wccnet.org

Because of the interest, I have decided to hold a sealed bid auction for the complete set of Micro Cornucopia magazines. Every issue from #1 (July 1981, 16 pages) to #53 (May 1990, 96 pages) is here. The subheading started out "Journal of the Big Board Users", changed with #7 to "The Single Board Systems Journal", and finally changed with #23 to "The Micro Technical Journal". Topics covered included software--BASIC, Pascal, C, Forth, Smalltalk, Prolog, Wordstar, dBase II, CP/M, MS-DOS, and much more--and hardware--memory upgrades, EPROM erasers, a logic analyzer, video circuitry, even a complete Nat Semi 32000 chip set computer with circuit diagrams. The early issues have almost exclusively Big Board, CP/M, and Z80 content. The final issues have almost exclusively MS-DOS PC content. In the middle there is an incredible variety of hard-core technical articles. Almost all the issues are perfect. The early issues I purchased as back issues so they do not even have mailing labels on them. Issue 21, December-January 1985, has "Sample for Microsystems Readers" printed in red on the front; Micro Cornucopia was trying to pick up subscribers from Sol Libes' magazine that folded. That was my first issue and every issue >from #21 on has mailing labels on them. Issue 29 is damaged; it appears that this one was on the end of a bundle--the cover is scuffed and there are small tears at the top and bottom from the binding strap. End of auction is Friday 6 July 2001 at 8pm. Send bids to paul(a)wccnet.org. Highest bidder wins (duh!). Payment is by check or money order and must be received within 30 days (6 August) of auction end. Shipping costs are IN ADDITION to the bid amount. I can ship via US Mail or UPS. The magazines weigh about 24 pounds and would cost about $9 to ship USPS Media Mail without insurance. Shipping is from Monroe, Michigan 48161. No shipping charges if you pick it up, of course. I will repost this notice on Thursday. Paul R. Santa-Maria Monroe, Michigan USA paul(a)wccnet.org

25 years, 3 months

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Free Thinking Machines CM-5

by aw288＠osfn.org

Well, one cabinet of a CM-5. Stripped, too. Basically, it is somewhat like three standard 19" racks welded together. About 7 feet tall. Heavy as sin. No skins. Interesting provenence - it was one of the two machines used in Jurrasic Park. The blinkenlights panels will be removed to populate (and the extras to pay for) another CM-5. Located in either Providence, RI (if you pick it up *really* soon), or Carmel, NY. William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

25 years, 3 months

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New finds at a school auction

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Wednesday of this week I went to a school auction and came away 3 new in the box Apple II WorkStation cards, apple number A2B2088 dated 1987. Two are still sealed and the one that had been open had Ramworks III card by Applied Engineering inside also. I had to watch them pass (for no bidders) on 100's of Apple II's, apple floppy drive, apple monitors, some TRS80 model III's, pc stuff. I do not have the room to store all the stuff that they will be trashing. You could buy a lot for $1 (sometimes the lot would have over 100 items in it), the prices were right but just too much stuff.

25 years, 3 months

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KIM-1

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

I've just been offered a KIM-1 by a friend, and I'd like to give him something for it. Does anyone have suggestions as to its value? It's a revision G board, with a date code of 1178 (well, I assume that's the date code) and has the Commodore and MOS logos in the top right, with a large "F" and a small "8" stamped in black ink under the "KIM-1" name. It has all black plastic chips (not any white ceramic like some early ones), and the RAM chips are NEC 2102's rather than MOS 6102's. It's been well used but was working last time anyone tried it. Don't yet know if there are any manuals -- though I've found copies on the 'net. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

25 years, 3 months

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HP2748A papertape reader : connector ?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Want me to look up the board for the 2748B? I own both a 2748B and the manual for it, so I can see what the manual says is correct... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

25 years, 3 months

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Pro350

by dittman＠dittman.net

I am in touch with a guy that has a Pro350 for sale. He wants $100 for it. Is anyone interested? I don't think he wants to come down any. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

25 years, 3 months

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'Good' versions of VMS

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

So now that OpenVMS 7.3 for VAX is out I'm hoping that the Montagar folks will do an updated VMS Media disk. If anyone has any contacts with the group that does that I would really like to help out. I'm pretty sure that we could build a pretty painless and much better organized disk than the 7.2 disk is. But that isn't really the point of this message. The point was made on a previous note about a ConDist set that it had VMS 6.0 which wasn't a "good" version of VMS because it was fairly buggy. That made me wonder if we could come to a concensus on what "good" VMS releases were out there? I happen to like VMS 5.5-2H4 which was, I believe, the last release in the 5.x line and thus pretty darn stable. It runs on pretty much every VAX and uses the "Modern" license management facility that the Hobbyiest licenses conform to. There is also a lot of software that runs on "5.5 and above" so that is good too. Finally its the last release that calls itself VAX VMS (rather than OpenVMS) which gives it a wonderful classic like feel. Then there is VMS 6.x, of which I've got images for 6.1 and 6.2 (no 6.0 but I opted to pass on the ConDist as well). Is there a release after 6.2 that sits between it and the 7.x release? Given the shortness between 7.0 and 7.1 I'm going to guess that 7.0 had some serious issues and 7.2 which is running on the VLC cluster seems quite stable. (using a patched UCX). Thoughts? What was the best V4.x release? V3? Does anyone have VMS 1.x and if so what processors does it support? As I recall on the 780 at school it looked a _lot_ like RSX-11M+ :-) --Chuck

25 years, 3 months

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OT Celebration

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >Greetings to our brethren in the 51st US state. > > > Wrong! Puerto Rico is going to be the 51st state. Canada will be the > 52nd. (We have to keep our priorities straight.) :-) Puerto Rico Estado? Uh Uh.... Puerto Rico Libre! (that was the consensus in San Juan... tho one guy said: "Puerto Rico Estado Libre", his way of saying "status quo, please". -dq

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Whats a reasonable collection?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> Nope. Zorro I has 100 pins, just like Zorro II. The difference is that > the cards are nearly 12" x 12", not PC/ISA shaped. They didn't last long. > The only expansion box I ever saw that used them, lay flat on top of the > A1000, under the monitor, and provided two slots. I don't know if anyone > ever made any Zorro I cards other than FAST RAM. > The 86 pin connector is labeled Zorro on the RevA A500 schematics (the hand drawn ones) and a Zorro to Zorro II expansion circuit for up to 6 true ZII slots is there as well. There is no mention of any 12" x 12" form factor boards in any of the C= technical refs. I have for all the OCS/ECS machines up to A3000(T) Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

25 years, 3 months

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Any Luck With Bull?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Hello, Hans... It's been a while since we chatted, and I was wondering if the health of your friend at Bull had improved such that you could once again considering discussing with him the liberation of the Multics source code (and who knows, maybe a bootstrap tape). It'll be a shame if we have to rebuild using the MIT archive, but if that's all we've got, well... Regards, -doug quebbeman

25 years, 3 months

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who bought that 11/785 maintenance manual from ebay?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, did you notice a few weeks abo there was a VAX 11/785 technical maintenacne manual up on ebay. If you are the winning bidder or if you have that manual from elsewhere or if you have bookmarked that auction and can give me the item number so I can contact the winner, I'd appreciate it. Any other ideas where I could get copies of 11/785 tech docs? Thanks, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

25 years, 3 months

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fun with Standalone Backup

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

So a bit of additional 'lore' which is probably obvious to a zillion VMS admins but was news to me. One can create a standalone backup tape that is both bootable into standalone backup, and has the system image on it. I did it as follows: 1) INIT the tape with label SYSTEM 2) @SYS$SYSTEM:STABACKIT Select MUA0 as the device Tell it _not_ to re-initialize. 3) Now boot this tape and at the prompt use BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY DUA0: MUA0:MYBACKUP.B/SAVE/LABEL=SYSTEM Now go away for a while :-) Once its done you can boot the tape and restore with BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY MUA0:MYBACKUP.B/SAVE/LABEL=SYSTEM DUA0: This saves me from having to change tapes in the process. On an unrelated note, I've got a Dataram MS650 board (MicroVAX III memory) and when it is installed it takes a _longish_ time to past the initialzation tests and standalone backup appears to hang when run. Has anyone seen this? Is this perhaps a bad memory chip that is being constantly repaired by the ECC logic... --Chuck

25 years, 3 months

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WTB: Atari Portfolio

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

Anybody out there got an Atari Portfolio (in good condition) with manuals and 1 (or 2!) 64K memory cards they'd like to part with? If so, submit your offers off the list direct to me. Thank you. ____________________________________________________________ David Vohs, Digital Archaeologist & Computer Historian. Home page: http://www.geocities.com/netsurfer_x1/ Computer Collection: "Triumph": Commodore 64C, 1802, 1541, FSD-1, GeoRAM 512, MPS-801. "Leela": Macintosh 128 (Plus upgrade), Nova SCSI HDD, Imagewriter II. "Delorean": TI-99/4A, TI Speech Synthesizer. "Monolith": Apple Macintosh Portable. "Spectrum": Tandy Color Computer 3, Disto 512K RAM board. "Boombox": Sharp PC-7000. "Butterfly": Tandy Model 200, PDD, CCR-82. "Shapeshifter": Epson QX-10, Titan graphics & MS-DOS board, Comrex HDD. "Scout": Otrona Attache. ____________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

25 years, 3 months

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PDP 11/34

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 1, 13:26, Mike Kenzie wrote: > The paper tapes are labelled: These are paper tape versions of XXDP+ diagnostics. There's some documentation on my web page about XXDP. Compaq still list the PDP-11 doc set: ZJADX-GZ PDP11 XXDP DOC. KIT $187.00 (By the way, does anyone have a copy of that? I'm curious to know how complete it is). > DZM91-D-PB Possibly a bootstrap loader or APT monitor program (for the diagnostics) > DZKMA-C1-PB MOS/Core diagnostic test, tests up to 124KW if you set 10000 in the switch register, otherwise tests 0-28KW > DZKAQ-F-PB Some kind of processor test (not processor-specific) or memory test (might be a core-specific test -- worst-case test patterns for core are different >from the ones used in ZKMA) > DFKTH-A-PB 11/34 CPU test > DFKAC-A-PB 11/34 CPU test (part 3) > DFKAB-C-PB 11/34 CPU test (part 2) > DFKAA-B1-PB 11/34 CPU test, part 1 (main instructions) > DCMFA-D-PB MF11 diagnostic > DZDLA-F-PB DL11 serial line test (this might need a loopback plug) > DZDLA-F1-PB DL11 serial line test (same test, later revision, I think) Several of these tests change their behaviour slightly according to the contents of the switch register when you run them. I don't have the details for most of these tests (anybody got an XXDP microfiche set?), but taking ZKMA for example: bit 15 set = halt on error bit 14 set = loop in selected subtest (see bits 0-3) bit 13 set = don't print errors bit 12 set = enable memory management bit 11 set = enable parity testing (default is ignore parity bits) bit 10 set = halt after each sub-test bit 9 set = don't do program relocation (so it can't test all of memory) bit 8 set = test in blocks of 4K, and print the first failing bit in each block bit 7 set = enable "long galloping test" (takes a while :-)) bit 6 set = don't size the memory (normally the diagnostic tries to work out how much memory there is to test) bit 5 set = don't print "END PASS xx" (normally does this every time round the loop) bit 4 set = don't print anything bits 0 to 3 are used to select a single subtest. See bit 14. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

25 years, 3 months

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IBM 5151 Monitor Help Needed

by vonhagen＠vonhagen.org

I recently picked up (literally) an IBM 5151 monitor for my original PC, but can't figure out how to open it up. This sounds silly, but what can I say. Could some kind soul help me with this? There are a variety of loose parts rattling around inside that I would like to put back in their original locations before applying power. Thanks! Bill

25 years, 3 months

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Paging Brian Roth

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Watch for the UPS delivery person on the 5th or so... --Chuck

25 years, 3 months

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Victor 9000 Keyboard Needed

by vonhagen＠vonhagen.org

I scored a Victor 9000 (a cool PC "almost-compatible") on eBay, but need a keyboard in order to do anything "useful" with it. Does anyone happen to have a spare? It uses an RJ45-like keyboard connector, and seems to feature a fair number of proprietary keys. Any help would, as always, be appreciated. Thanks! Bill

25 years, 3 months

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preserving / ressurecting old docs?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> > Scanning printed material much above 150dpi is usually a waste > > as most printing is done at about 70dpi. > > What are you smoking, and is there enough for the rest of us? > We're talking old manuals here. Remember? OLD manuals. > 600 Dpi with resolution enhancement is very old technology > for laserprinters > Nobody, commercially, makes books on laserprinters. > If you can manage it, i would say scan at 600 Dpi. > Waste of time, effort and storage space. > scanning at 1/2 the target printer resolution is probably > the best you can hope for. > Scanning at just over twice the source resolution is the best you will ever get. More than that's a waste. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

25 years, 3 months

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commodore 2500 in Kansas City

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Wandering through the computer surplus I came across a commodore 2500 dumped in a box. I can't tell if it's complete. It was unusual enough for me to notice. Does anybody want it? I can make an offer for you and then ship it to you. There was a commodore 2000 manual next to it. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

25 years, 3 months

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MS-DOS version (was: What's best to do?? classically speaking

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

large disk support?? dos has supported partitions over 32meg since at least 3.3 hasnt it? I think version 6 had Antivirus support and dos 5 was the last version you could install on a set of floppies (or at least the setup program would let you) In a message dated 6/22/01 12:37:07 PM Central Daylight Time, RCini(a)congressfinancial.com writes: << DOS5 == DOS6 differences: SmartDrive disk cache Boot menus "Large disk" support in FDISK Drive compression That's what I can come up with without looking. How far off am I? >>

25 years, 3 months

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'Good' versions of VMS

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> >> How is the lack of V7.2-1 a problem? There's nothing it can do that >> V7.2-1H1 can't. > >From a Hobbyist standpoint it's not. However, if I understand things >correctly it's only *supported* on a very narrow list of hardware. Of >course any commercial shop probably had their V7.2-1 CD's long before >V7.2-1H1 came out. > > Zane V7.2 is quite old, around 3 years maybe more. Also one must remember/recognize "DEC" supported means they will answer questions or fix it. Unsupported divers abound in even 7.2 for older hardware. >From my perspective any version newer than 5.2 is good save for the standard ".0" releases as they will be buggy. Allison

25 years, 3 months

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preserving / ressurecting old docs?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> > than 1/100" so ok. 250dpi then. > > You're still going to get shitty quality. Why skimp on something that is > supposed to be a preservationary resource for the future? > But I don't. I get good quality. It's the information I want to preserve, not the physical document. ASCII would do. > Your data set is way too limited to be making a valid judgement. > Examples don't need to be comprehensive. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

25 years, 3 months

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commodore 2500 in Kansas City

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> What the hell is a Commodore 2500? > Big box Amiga. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

25 years, 3 months

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preserving / ressurecting old docs?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> > My OCR does fine at 150 dpi on nearly everything > > That's what counts. > Which, I think, is where I came in ... > A good context sensitive OCR program should be able to operate > at well BELOW the source resolution -- it needs to differentiate > the characters, not necessarily see all features. (for example: > serifs) And with good enough context sensitivity, a lot of them > can be interpolated even if not recognizable. > 150 dpi scan, red filtered, greyscale and contrast enhanced makes for good text and line drawing reproduction. Printed out on a halfway good printer, an HP Laserjet, interpolated to 600 dpi, and it looks better than the original. > > This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet .... > Is Outlook, etc. so incredibly porous that it's necessary to scan plain > text messages?? > It's corporate parano^h^h^h^h^h^h policy, but I didn't know it was on outgoing mail as well. Must remember to encrypt outgoing viru^h^h^h^h e-mails in future. > Are you the one whose system sends an automated response every > time somebody sends an infected attachment to the list? > I don't know. I do know I get sent a "Someone has tried to send you unauthorised code" warning e-mail instead of the original message. Then, if I want to see the message, I have to e-mail Star and they e-mail me back a disclaimer form which I have to print out, sign and fax it back. Then go to a web page and use an id number and password, which is only e-mailed to me after they get the fax, to retrieve the message. They won't even Cc the text of the message to me without all this hoop jumping. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

25 years, 3 months

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preserving / ressurecting old docs?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> How is your OCR doing? THAT might be a better measure for > whether what you are doing is working. > My OCR does fine at 150 dpi on nearly everything and is much faster than working with 600 dpi source. The spellchecker gets most of the errors. It has to, I can't spell. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

25 years, 3 months

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preserving / ressurecting old docs?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> 70 DPI would be something like a 9 pin dot matrix printer. > The definition on those 9 pin dot printers is about 100dpi but the resolution is much less, possibly less than 50 dpi. The Transtel printer here is lucky if it can print a straight line. > If a manual was phototypeset on a CAT phototypesetter (most > popular phototypesetter in the publishing industry in the mid > 70's.) then the resolution is 2000dpi (they spec it in lines/ > millimeter but my recollection is that it was about 2000lines/ > inch after conversion) so those manuals should be scanned at > 4800 dpi right? > No, the resolution may be 2000 lines/inch, the definition won't be. I doubt you'll find any feature, even on good copy, smaller than 1/250". On old manuals I would be suprised to find much, if any detail smaller than 1/100" so ok. 250dpi then. > Basically, I think you may be mistaken on a few of your numbers. > Not really, just looked a two books, TI TTL data book 1979 and Radio valve data 1966. The TI book gets to about 125 dpi at best, but is on coated paper. The Radio valve data book barely manages 80 dpi and is on uncoated paper, typical for manuals. >Scanning at just over twice the source resolution is the best you Hmmm ... for "resolution" read "definition" .. well it is 3AM. 8^)= Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

25 years, 3 months

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Franlin pc 8000

by ljcst18+＠pitt.edu

Hello, Does anyone know anything about a franklin pc 8000 computer? I sure don't. I was just curious if its worth keeping around. Thanks Luke Cashdollar

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Old stuff found + help identifying...

by cmurillo＠manizales.autonoma.edu.co

Thanks to everyone who replied! So far, the verdict is the following: 1) the modular systems are NGEN from Convergent Technologies; they have 80186 cpus, which make them B25 modules (thanks, Paxton) or CM001/8; they do operate from 36V externally supplied by one or more brick-style power supplies with RJ-style connectors; no hard disks were found with these, although, considering the manufacturing time frame, it is conceivable that they were entirely floppy-based; these units had dual floppy disk drives attached. I hauled a box with lots of docs and diskettes, but I have not had the time to go through it; the stuff might not be related to the Convergent systems. So, I need to (a) find a way to provide these systems with 36VDC, and (b) look for any related floppies; it may be that these machines can't be used without a password. 2) The Datapoing 1550 seems to be a diskless computer; there is a connector in the back that might have been used to connect a floppy disk drive or something else. I have spotted a couple of burned caps in the power supply (the computer smelled, so it was clear from the beginning that I could not take the chance of turning it on unchecked). There is a card cage in it, but I haven't taken anything but the cover off. carlos. -- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez email: carlos_murillo(a)ieee.org Universidad Autonoma de Manizales, Manizales, Colombia

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preserving / ressurecting old docs?

by mark_k＠totalise.co.uk

Hi, On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 Bill Bradford wrote: > > Your best bet is to take the books and have the binding cut off > > professionally. Then scan in the pages one at a time (not two). I > > personally believe Adobe Acrobat is the best way of doing this. Although > > I realize there are people here that are against Adobe Acrobat. > > I'm scanning them in as 100dpi grayscale GIFs, then I will convert to > other format(s) and eventually to PDF. Scanning directly to PDF with > HP's software produces horrible output with compression artifacts. 100dpi is too low a resolution; it is little above monitor screen resolution, and small text may be illegible. Future OCR-ing of the scans would likely be unsuccessful too. A better alternative is to scan at a reasonably high resolution in monochome (two colours, black and white), say 300dpi or 600dpi. Most viewer software renders the scanned pages on-screen in greyscale anyway, and output when printed on paper is far better. Bilevel images compress losslessly very well, *much* better than greyscale. If there is spot colour in the original, it would in theory be possible to scan at equally high resolution with little impact on file size. (E.g. VAX/VMS manuals have some text in red, so there are essentially three colours; white, black and red.) You would have two images which could be overlaid on each other. If anyone knows of a software package that will work like that, please let me know. Depending on your scanner and the paper thickness, you may find that text from the opposite side of the page "shines through", especially in greyscale images. You can put a sheet of black card or similar on top of the page to be scanned to reduce this effect. -- Mark

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Old stuff found + help identifying...

by cmurillo＠manizales.autonoma.edu.co

A few days ago one of the storage rooms at the university was cleaned up and I grabbed all the computer-related stuff that I could. Not a lot of variety, though. Besides >from the wintel carcasses and Mac plus remains, I found one Datapoint 1550 and several modules from a type system that I have never seen. The cpu, floppy disk drives and graphics modules snap onto each other's side very neatly. There are several of these systems, with the corresponding monitors and keyboards. Alas, the only power supply unit that I found is incomplete and badly damaged. Do you guys have some info about these systems? Pics can be found at http://jimulco.autonoma.edu.co/~carlos/hp/datapoint_1550.jpg http://jimulco.autonoma.edu.co/~carlos/hp/modularsystem.jpg These pics are about 70K. They'll probably load slowly; we're bandwidth-starved these days. -- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez email: carlos_murillo(a)ieee.org Universidad Autonoma de Manizales, Manizales, Colombia

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preserving / ressurecting old docs?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

Hello, > I'm scanning them in as 100dpi grayscale GIFs, then I will convert to > other format(s) and eventually to PDF. Scanning directly to PDF with > HP's software produces horrible output with compression artifacts. 100dpi is too low a resolution; it is little above monitor screen resolution, Scanning printed material much above 150dpi is usually a waste as most printing is done at about 70dpi. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

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Whats a reasonable collection?

by mjsnodgr＠rockwellcollins.com

I've got a MCA SCSI controller that I'm not using. It came to me in a box of MCA and EISA stuff and was working when it was pulled from it's machine. I was hoping to get an EISA SCSI controller.. Hmmm... if anyone in interested in a swap.... - Micah S. mjsnodgr(a)rockwellcollins.com SUPRDAVE@aol.com@classiccmp.org on 06/28/2001 02:49:20 PM Please respond to classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Sent by: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org cc: Subject: Re: Whats a reasonable collection? In a message dated 6/28/01 1:46:05 PM Central Daylight Time, mikeford(a)socal.rr.com writes: << >Only thing I don't like is a lack of fast SCSI cards. I have all kinds >of good scsi cards for my EISA computer, but not my Microchannel. I SCSI MCA cards are so common in the systems I find I don't bother to keep them anymore. Want to explain the above so I understand what to look for? >> there's plenty to choose from, scsi with or without cache, or you can even get some of the better scsi controllers out of the 9595 models. I have several non IBM MCA SCSI adaptors which Ive installed in some pre-existing SCSI-equipped PS2s just so I have a standard external connector to work with. Those IBM external cables are getting hard to find.

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Micro Cornucopia magazines

by paul＠orchard.wccnet.org

I have a complete set of Micro Cornucopia magazines. Does anyone here want them? Paul R. Santa-Maria Monroe, Michigan USA

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Whats a reasonable collection?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated Wed, 27 Jun 2001 9:19:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> writes: << Vance Dereksen skrev: >Responses inline: >On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Mike Ford wrote: >> >BTW, I'm also very fond of MCA. Just glad I haven't got on my own desktop. >> >=) >> >> A model 9595 was the first computer I was really impressed with >> mechanically when I opened it up. Its built like a Porsche, and actually >> LOOKS good internally. >The 8595/9595 is an excellent machine. Another one that I like very much >is the MCA/PCI IBM PC Server 320 (8640). I spent this day evaluating all my disk brackets to see if one of them would fit the 95. No such luck. I guess I'll have to work something out with a saw and some plywood. Then I spent the evening manufacturing drive power cables, since the 95 power supply has got sockets just like those on drives, as opposed to plugs prodding out of it as on every other PC PSU I've ever seen. Then I carried a big, heavy SCSI drive back home so as to get it up and running with a reference partition. >> I have a couple dozen of various models, with about a dozen 9595 servers. >> One of my big scores in the auction last month was a box of 3Com MCA 10bt >> cards I had been trying to buy for a year or two. >I am trying to find some of those 100Base-T Olicom MCA cards. >As spartan as my 95 was when I got it, at least it had >one such card and an MO drive >Now, if only it had support under some decent OS... whaddya mean? It's got great support for a superior OS! OS/2 of course. Ive gotten warp server, warp connect and OS/2 version 4 running on some 95's I have. Easy and painless, although time consuming install. I believe the 9595 series are on the NT4 compatibility list...

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65xx Chips still available

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: I know that some sources for these chips are drying up and the 02 and 22 are only available in quantity from CMS. Well, I've been contact with Rockwell and it seems that their Conexant spinoff (the old Rockwell Semiconductor) still manufactures 65xx-series chips. I haven't contacted their distributor yet to find out quantities, etc. but I'll report back when I have more information. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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Anybody interested in these : CBM 8023P (IEEE) printer and AES7100 (Lanier dedicated WP)

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Hi all from Montreal... I recently got a very nice fully equipped (docs, software, disks, manuals, cables etc...) SuperPet. Private original owner. A-1 condition. It came with a 8023P (IEEE) printer, I dont have a lot of space for this printer...So anyone wants this (just the printer!), I am ready to let it go for anything slightly interesting in return...There is also the manual and a spare ribbon (brand new) for the printer Also, I have decided to let go my minty AES7100 dedicated WP. Its in extra clean shape and boots with the 2 hard sectored floppy disks that were in it when I got it. This thing is one piece odd looking machine :monitor, drives and cpu...it would have to be taken apart and shipped in several boxes. There is the very slight chance that I might be going to VCF east....very slight...If you dont know what a AES7100 looks like look here: http://www.total.net/~hrothgar/museum/AES7100/ ....not mine but identical...mine works and the machine boots... I am mostly collecting non x86 home/hobby machines, also looking for semi recent SGI or Sun stuff to play with.... I am posting here because I dont use ebay to buy or sell and these will likely go to garbage soon if no takers. Thanks Claude http://www.members.tripod.com/computer_collector

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MCArchitect (was: Whats reasonable...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I put some effort into the Peddle/MCA issue and found nothing yet. > Personally I'd be mildly surprised if an individualist like CP would've > been found at IBM at the time. I checked BYTEs 6/87,7/87 and found > no mention of any architects. In general, IBM did not celebrate the > individual above the team. Few counterexamples: John Cocke, > Benoit Mandlebrot, ? I suppose a specialist could've found out more > at a specialist event line a "Buscon" or the like. Ok, The Chief Architect of IBM's Micro-Channel Architecture was <drum-roll, please....> Chet Heath. My bad. -dq

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A little HP9877 info

by fmc＠reanimators.org

ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote: > If the 9815 encoding is idential physically the 9825 one (that is to say, > a 9815 tape read at the 9825 speed contains the data encoded as above > with the same frequencies as the 9825 uses) then the 9877 can read it. If > not, then IMHO it can't. And since the 9815 and 9825 tape controllers are > very diferent, I think it's unlikely that the 9877 (which uses a > controller that's essentially the same as the 9825 one) can handle 9815 > tapes. Pity. Here's a snippet from _Mid-Range Calculator Delivers More Power at Lower Cost_, by Douglas M. Clifford, F. Timothy Hickenlooper, and A. Craig Mortensen, in the June 1976 HP Journal: "...It was determined that a level of performance below that of the 9825A Calculator (see article, page 2) would be adequate, so the search speed was reduced to 60 ips and the read/write speed to 10 ips. The recording density was set at 500 bits per inch. Because of these reduced demands all of the encoding and decoding of the bits can be done in firmware. Also, a frequency-lock control loop is used for the motor control instead of a more costly dc servo (more about this later)." Does that give you any clues? Unfortunately I don't think it says anything about the recording density of the 9825 tapes. -Frank McConnell

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Unibus / Qbus bus drivers and receivers

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> >At 09:30 PM 6/28/01 -0700, you wrote: >>Well, the question is "how worried about ringing *should* I be in a >>single backplane configuration if I use bus drivers which have a >>rise/fall time of 9 ns, when the bus spec says that the rise/fall >>time of bus drivers must not be *less* than 10 ns?" >> >>I'm guessing that it will probably be OK, but I really want this >>thing to "work first time" and be reliable so I feel a little >>uncomfortable cutting corners like this right at the outset. > >I take it you are worried about violating the AC spec that reads in part: Generally speaking Qbus is very robust and the design rules are not easily broken nor the bus. Standard devices like LS244 and LS245s work quite fine from expereince. Stick with 74LS or 74L if you have them or can find them. CMOS in the 74HC, HCT and friends however are a bad choice for interfacing the bus, though they may be acceptable in down stream logic. Remember the bus is terminated to avoid pain. Allison

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e-mail comments (was: Re: Whats a reasonable collection?)

by mjsnodgr＠rockwellcollins.com

Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org>@classiccmp.org on 06/29/2001 02:44:27 PM Please respond to classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Sent by: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org cc: Subject: Re: Whats a reasonable collection? Personally, I would rather see a persons comments *above* the quoted material. That way, I read instantly if I am interested rather than have to scroll down. And yes, I am lazy although I would sometimes prefer to call it efficient :). Iggy Drougge wrote: > > Chad Fernandez skrev: > > >What? How am I ruining anybodys quoting? > > Yes, since you put your comments about the quoted material. > > It look like this: > > 4 > >>>1 > >>2 > >3 > > -- > En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. > > Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are. Interesting... the > >>>1 > >>2 > >3 format of e-mail reply is by far considered the "old style" (kind of fitting for a classic computing list) It was the M$ backward'isation (new technical term) of putting replies at the top of an e-mail implimented in Outlook that forced most folks to change. Netscape Communicator used to default to replies/comments at the bottom, but now defaults to the top. (thankfully you can change that for those of use who have relied on e-mail long before e-mail was cool.) And now I'm stuck using bloody Lotus Notes which also defaults to putting my reply at the top, and refuses to insert a > before each line of the original message. - Hmmm... I'm sounding more and more like a crochety old fart. <grin> It's noce to be able to read linearly through an e-mail. - Micah S.

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qbus prototyping

by engdahl＠cle.ab.com

Douglas Electronics appears to be still in business, and some Qbus proto boards are listed on their web page: http://www.douglas.com/hardware/pcbs/breadboards/digital.html http://209.35.53.132/hardware/pcbs/breadboards/digital.html I emailed Vector a month or two ago, and the person who answered me could find neither boards or knowledge of them: "Sorry, Jonathan, this is not something we make at present. We moved about 4 years ago and trashed a lot of the old dwgs. etc. It doesn't look familiar." -- Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation Principal Research Engineer 24800 Tungsten Road Advanced Technology Euclid, OH 44117 USA Euclid Labs http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Davidson" <michael_davidson(a)pacbell.net> To: <brian> Cc: "Jonathan Engdahl" <engdahl> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 2:48 PM Subject: Re: qbus prototyping > OK - actually I believe Jonathan already asked that question > earlier I just hadn't got around to replying to it and I didn't > notice that my reply went just to you and not to the entire list. > > Anyway, as you can see I have more stuff here than I could ever > use and I would be perfectly happy to part with one or two of > them if someone has a good use for them. > > Michael > > Brian Knittel wrote: > > > > Thanks for the detailed info, Michael. I'll forward > > it to Jonathan Engdahl -- maybe these part numbers > > will help him find a source for the things. Apparently > > most supply houses no longer even remember what qbus > > is. > > > > brian > > > > > > Brian Knittel wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Michael, > > > > What sort of prototyping board are you planning on using? Someone > > > > was asking about the availability of prototype boards just a couple > > > > of weeks ago and no one responded. > > > > > > I have several Qbus prototype boards which I acquired last year as > > > part of an auction on eBay. I'm not sure yet which one I will use > > > for this particular project, but here's what I have ... > > > > > > 2 x DEC W943 > > > 1 x MDB MLSI-WWB1 > > > 2 x Douglas Electronics 9-DE-11 > > > 2 x Douglas Electronics 12-DE-11 > > > 1 x Douglas Electronics 9-DE-8 > > > 2 x Vector 4607 > > > > > > The DEC W943 is a dual height module originally populated with 25 x 16 > > > pin DIL sockets, complete with wire-wrap pins on the component side of > > > the board, power tracks and decoupling capacitors. On each of these > > > boards 2 of the DIL sockets have been removed to make way for a 40 pin > > > connector. > > > > > > The MDB MLSI-WWB1 is a dual height module laid out with power tracks, > > > solder pads and component side wire-wrap pins but no sockets. It could > > > accomodate 30 x 16 pin DIL sockets and up to 6" worth of up to .6" > > > pitch DIL sockets. > > > > > > The Douglas 9-DE-11 is a dual height card populated with 18 x 16 pin > > > DIL sockets and 2 x 40 way connectors. The board has power tracks and > > > decoupling capacitors already fitted. All connections to the sockets > > > and connectors are brought out to wirewrap pins on the component side > > > of the board. There is also an unpopulated area of the board where > > > you could mount up to 5.8" worth of up to .6" pitch DIL sockets. > > > > > > The Douglas 12-DE-11 is a dual height card populated with 18 x 16 pin > > > DIL sockets, and with two unpopulated areas each capable of holding > > > up to 5.8" worth of up to .6" pitch sockets. > > > > > > The Douglas 9-DE-8 is a quad height card laid out with power tracks > > > and solder pads for 60 x 16 pin DIL sockets, and an area where you > > > could mount up to 9.6" worth of up to .6" pitch DIL sockets. At the > > > top of the card there are solder pads for 4 x 40 way connectors. > > > This is a bare card with nothing mounted on it. > > > > > > The Vector 4607 is a dual height card, drilled on .1" pitch with solder > > > pads for connecting to the edge connector and nothing else. > > > > > > > > > A few of these cards had been used for (apparently unfinished) prototyping > > > efforts - they are all in good condition and should be reuseable without > > > any problems - the Douglas quad height card and the MDB dual height card > > > have obviously never been used and are in excellent condition. > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > _| _| _| Brian Knittel / Quarterbyte Systems, Inc. > > _| _| _| Tel: 1-510-559-7930 Fax: 1-510-525-6889 > > _| _| _| Email: brian(a)quarterbyte.com > > _| _| _| http://www.quarterbyte.com >

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Canofile 510

by mark_k＠totalise.co.uk

Hi, This is kind-of-on-topic given the recent thread on scanning old documentation. I recently picked up a Canon Canofile 510 document imaging system, and associated laser printer and external MO drive. I think these were sold cira 1992-1995. It has a 1280x960-pixel mono LCD screen. You load up sheets to be scanned and it pulls them in one-by-one. Can scan both sides of each sheet at once. Can scan up to A3 size, but this is pretty lame; you must fold A3 sheets in half before feeding them in. Maximum speed is (from memory) 50ppm for normal res. Fine res (200x200dpi) is half that. That resolution is lower than ideal, but I could still find some use scanning old manuals etc.; an electronic version is better than no electronic version at all. The Canofile is very proprietary; it has a built-in magneto-optical drive which uses 512MB double-sided disks. Transfer of scanned images to a PC (and saving in a standard format) is possible. The disks, apart from being double- sided, are physically the same shape as NeXT MO disks; not surprising since Canon made NeXT MO drives. Unfortunately, investigations so far suggest that reading NeXT MOs on a Canon drive (connected to a PC, Mac, Amiga or whatever) may not be possible. If anyone in the UK (or USA I guess; sending printed matter from USA to UK costs about $1 per lb) has a loose-leaf manual or two that they would like scanned I can give it a try. Quality won't be amazing, but should be sufficient. -- Mark

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CD Writer for a uVax II

by petersd＠SEDSystems.ca

I am looking for way to get data out of a microVax II running microVMS 4.6 onto a CD ROM. The way I figure it if I can find a CD writer than works in that configuration I'm done. But I can't seem to find out whether this is even possible let alone where to buy a CD like this. Any suggestions? If the CD Writer is an impossibility then my next approach is the put a network interface on the uVax II and send the data I need to a more recent vintage. Dave

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MCA & EISA SCSI (too many TLAs)

by mjsnodgr＠rockwellcollins.com

I'll take a look this weekend. My collection has moved from my apartment bedroom (my wife is thrilled) to a friends two stall garage and the attic above it. (Well, half of one stall is taken up with an old VW bug and a VAX - not sure which one is bigger, but both run ) As far as EISA goes, narrow would be more than sufficient. - Micah S. Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> on 06/29/2001 12:24:42 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org, mjsnodgr(a)rockwellcollins.com cc: Subject: Re: Whats a reasonable collection? What is the brand is it? Is it Wide or narrow? What do you need in the way of an EISA SCSI board? I have a couple 174x series from Adaptec that aren't doing anything. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA mjsnodgr(a)rockwellcollins.com wrote: > > I've got a MCA SCSI controller that I'm not using. It came to me in a box > of MCA and EISA stuff and was working when it was pulled from it's machine. > I was hoping to get an EISA SCSI controller.. Hmmm... if anyone in > interested in a swap.... > > - Micah S.

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Viking SCSI controller secrets?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Hi everyone, Is there some secret lore about Viking SCSI controllers that I need to get them to work? I've got a Viking QDT (dual wide Disk and Tape) that has V1.5 of the firmware. When I plug it into my VAX with two RZ55's in an expansion cabinet and type SHO DEV (MV3500) it says: UQSSP Disk controller (177xxx) -? Then finds the TK70 and adds UQSSP Disk controller (xxxxx) -? Its not exact but basically the system knows I've got an MSCP disk controller and a second TMSCP tape controller and when it asks them what devices they have attached the Viking seems to be answering ("I don't know.") Now if I hook it up to a box that had a couple of MO drives in it (an old Aspire cabinet) then it reports DUA0 (@0) and DUA1 (@0) and no tape (as expected, and it doesn't even print the -?) I don't have the funky cable to get to the RS232 port (although the Aspire box does, it doesn't seem to work correctly) Questions: 1) If I build a funky cable, which three wires do I use? 2) Shouldn't it just work? --Chuck

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OS/2

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I'd say the Workplace Shell is a problem in itself. It's so > very IBM-ishly unelegant. Stardock added plenty of elegance to WPS... but they got screwed by IBM dropping out, like other OS/2 ISVs... If you haven't seen Object Desktop for OS/2, I'll see if I can dig up some screen shots to point you at... Regards, -dq

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CD Writer for a uVax II

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Dave Peters <petersd(a)SEDSystems.ca> wrote: > provides an ethernet interface but I am wondering > where I could find TCP/IP compatible software > for microVMS 4.6. I know multinet exists for > openVMS but I have my doubts about it working with > this old a version or VMS. any ideas about this approach? Multinet's been through two changes of corporate ownership since then (TGV, Cisco, Process Software). You could try asking the folks at Process Software but I would be surprised if they were able to help. There's also the CMU TCP/IP, which is available on the net. It was always explained to me as something that would put hair on your palms but that could be because I worked at Wollongong. I have been mostly successful at avoiding direct personal experience of VMS since 1991 or so, so don't have any personal experience with it. All that said, a little bit of webulating put me at <http://www.agh.cc.kcl.ac.uk/files/vms/cmu-tcpip/oldversion/> where you can find a version that claims to support VMS 4.4 to 4.7. -Frank McConnell

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Old stuff found + help identifying...

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Joe and Carlos Actually I have two or three of the complete systems. And the cables and power bricks to go with them. I probably have 6-10 power bricks and ables to connect them to the modules. I also have the cables to connect terminals to the systems. The systems use x-bus to link the modules, they run CTOS, and were built by Unisys, Datapoint, Concurrent Technologies.. Pointer to FAQ about CTOS. www.cs.ruu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/computer/system/unisys/ctos.html I'll give them to you if you pay shipping from Kansas City. Mike >>A few days ago one of the storage rooms at the university >>was cleaned up and I grabbed all the computer-related stuff >>that I could. Not a lot of variety, though. Besides >>from the wintel carcasses and Mac plus remains, I found >>one Datapoint 1550 and several modules from a type system that >>I have never seen. The cpu, floppy disk drives and graphics >>modules snap onto each other's side very neatly. There are >>several of these systems, with the corresponding monitors and >>keyboards. Alas, the only power supply unit that I found >>is incomplete and badly damaged. Do you guys have some >>info about these systems? > Carlos, > I've seen a couple of systems made by Concurrent that look like >those. I think the Concurrents use a power supply brick that puts out >something like 36VDC. The power supplies seem to be scarce, i've only seen >one of them. I don't know anything else about the Concurrent systems, sorry.

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VMS Condist for $10 act now

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1251192956> Won't last the evening ... --Chuck

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HP Portable Vectra CS Model 20

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

I recently found an HP Portable Vectra CS Model 20 on top of a garbage container in the alley. I'm offering it to anyone who will pay for shipping (weighs about 15-20 pounds) or who can pick it up in Chicago. It lacks the battery pack, which apparently is where the external power (also missing) plugs in, so I do not know if it works. Otherwise, it appears to be in good condition. It has one 3.5" floppy and a hard drive of unknown size. Reply to Robert_Feldman(a)jdedwards.com. Bob Feldman

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data migration

by hofmanwb＠worldonline.nl

Enrico A crude but effective way is to connect a PC to a serial line of the DPS6. Dump whatever you have to dump to the serial line in HEX or oct format. Run a VT100 emulator on the PC and log whatever you receive to disk. Write a small program to convert the log file to the original information. The dumping process may take days, but you could start it on Friday afternoon and collect the data on Monday morning. Wim ---------- From: Enrico Naso <enrinaso(a)tin.it> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: data migration Date: Thursday, June 28, 2001 7:53 PM J need to migrate data from a 3M DC600A Data Cartridge(60Mb) backed up from an internal tape onto a Honeywell Bull DPS6-Plus to any PC-compatible media-support. This means Floppy, Zip, cd-rom, ecc.) thank for your attention Enrico Naso

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Whats a reasonable collection?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 28, Iggy Drougge wrote: > >Is it possible that maybe the existence of .ADF and .INF files is just a > >brain-damaged Microsoft OS requirement? > > Nope, it's a braindead IBM/PC industry requirement. Hmm...need them on EISA Alphas too, unfortunately. -Dave McGuire

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PDP-11/53 jumper doc found

by engdahl＠cle.ab.com

I guess there must have been only one copy of the 11/53 CPU board manual left in the world, and Giorgio Ungarelli had it in Switzerland. He sent me a copy, and I will eventually get this information up on my web site. It is a supplement to the MicroPDP-11/73 manual. It documents the baud rate, boot, and halt option jumpers, etc. for the older version of the KDJ11-DA, the one with only .5 meg of RAM on board, and the CPU in the center. I've got one of these boards, and a couple of the newer ones (KDJ11-SD). I'm sure that once we know what the jumpers do, we can figure out where they got moved on the newer boards. I think the reason the board won't boot when you don't have a front panel is that the boot option inputs float to "15", which is "manufaturing test loop". -- Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation Principal Research Engineer 24800 Tungsten Road Advanced Technology Euclid, OH 44117 USA Euclid Labs http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl

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adding MSCP driver to 2.9BSD

by engdahl＠cle.ab.com

I took the MSCP disk driver (the ra driver) from the PRO-350 version of 2.9BSD on the PUPS archive, and added it to the regular 2.9 distribution. The new UNIX builds and runs. I created nodes in /dev, and added a line to /etc/dtab, but the driver doesn't seem to work. I have figured out that the autoconfig will not work with this driver. It reports "No autoconfig routines". Evidently, probe is not implemented in either the 2.9 or 2.11 version of the MSCP driver. So, how to I get UNIX to "attach" the ra driver? This is the first time I've tried doing a UNIX sysgen, so extra explanations might be required. The only documentation I have is what I downloaded along with the distribution. -- Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation Principal Research Engineer 24800 Tungsten Road Advanced Technology Euclid, OH 44117 USA Euclid Labs http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl

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1% (was Re: Looking for info - En-link Ethernet card for the Apple II)

by gareth.knight＠btinternet.com

Iggy wrote: <In England, yes. We have 1 pound coins, 2 pound coins (introduced >relatively recently)> The two pound coins have been available in limited quantity since the mid-1980s. I remember a teacher at my infants school showing one to the class. I'm not sure of the exact year, sometime around 1985. Gareth Knight

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Whats a reasonable collection?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

Hi Dan. > On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > > Zorro is Zorro. All Amigas that have an expansion bus (not sure about > the > > A600/CDTV/CD32...) do AUTOCONFIG. The difference is that the A1000 and > A500 > > have an 86-pin expansion bus that isn't identical to Zorro, but there > are > > simple adapters to give you one or two true Zorro slots. Even the A590 > > is a true AUTOCONFIG device > > Got my A2000 in 7th or 8th grade - used it until the end of college. So > Zorro II in there, and Zorro III on the 3000/4000... where's Zorro I? > That's the 86 pin on the A500 and A1000 Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

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Xerox 820

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

>Thousands of these were sold as bare boards with limited doc's. I >frequently ran into folks using them, yet never saw one in the original >Xerox enclosure. The Xerox box was just too expensive. Once they were no >longer a major product, they were surplussed out as bare boards. I think it >was through BG Micro. > I got several of the bare boards in a lot of XEROX stuff that bought several years ago. Haven't looked in those boxes in a long time but if I recall correctly, the DOCS were *minimal*. If someone really wanted them, I'd be willing to part with the boards. SteveRob >----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Beaudry" To: Sent: Thursday, June >28, 2001 9:12 AM Subject: Xerox 820 > > > > Hello all, > > Recently I acquired a Xerox 820, but as a single board, >w/ power supply. I > also received many docs (including a tech manual with >Monitor listings and > schematics). I know originally these were >"all-in-one" computers, but many > appear at ham fests in exactly the same >shape as mine -- as a single board > computer. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Cruel Fates & The Exidy Sorcerer

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 28, 10:58, David Williams wrote: > I just received an email from someone who just threw away 3 > working Exidy Sorcerer's because they thought they'd never hear > anything about them ever again. THEN they found my website. > The fates mock me. :-( :-( Give me their address so I can go round and "re-educate" them > Well the good news is they may still have some Sorcerer > newsletters they produced which I've asked to place on the site so > I guess it isn't all bad. US, UK, or other European? BTW, I'm still looking for a (photo)copy (or PDF) of the manual for the WP Pac, docs and/or ROMs (images will do) for the DEV PAC, and a working copy of pacman (mine is corrupt). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Classic busses (was Re: Whats a reasonable collection?)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 28, Roger Ivie wrote: > It may be most, but it's definitely not all of them, even if you restrict > yourself to DEC options. In addition to the DEC VMEbus adapter I mentioned > in another message, there was also an A.Open (I think that's the name; the > mutilation of I2C DEC used for keyboards and mice on the 5000/25) adapter. > I know DEC did some serial ports, although I don't think they sold them; > when I asked for info on doing serial port drivers for Ultrix, they > dredged up code for a TURBOchannel serial interface from the bowels > of some Ultrix lab. There was also some audio interface they used as > an example implemenation in some paper somewhere. There are, I believe, one or two TC audio cards by DEC. I also have a TC HPIB interface by National Instruments. -Dave McGuire

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X-10 (was Re: controlling power)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 26, Richard Erlacher wrote: > communication via the power mains, isn't it? My notion to date has been that > the X-10 stuff is a mite costly, considering that one could hook up a triac, an > MOC30-something isolated triac driver, and a PIC, e.g. one of the 14-pin or > even 8-pin parts, and put the thing in the box with the switch. Costly? A 300W dimmer module costs like nine bucks. When I add up the price of the components required to duplicate that, I have trouble figuring out where they're making a profit. They're all PIC-based, by the way...the modern dimmer modules contain 12c508 chips. > It would be an interesting job, actually, though the MCU would be largely > wasted. It's smaller than an equivalent set of CMOS logic, though. Well, the 12c508 is a *tiny* processor with a *tiny* control store... -Dave McGuire

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Xerox 820

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, Recently I acquired a Xerox 820, but as a single board, w/ power supply. I also received many docs (including a tech manual with Monitor listings and schematics). I know originally these were "all-in-one" computers, but many appear at ham fests in exactly the same shape as mine -- as a single board computer. Of course, hooking a terminal up to it produces nothing (even testing at different baud rates/parity/stop bits, etc), so I'm wondering: - Are there any modifications (ROM or jumpers) to "convert" this to use the serial port for a console, rather than the keyboard and video display? I couldn't find anything in my docs, but of course, I have not read them in depth yet. In return, I could offer copies of the docs, or thanks to 22NICE and my Compaticard (thanks Don!), copies of the files on the diskettes (CP/M, "Word Processor", "Diagnostics", "Training Files" and "Program Files"), or images of the disks (assuming Teledisk could do it -- I haven't tried that yet). The disks are 5.25", SSSD Thanks! Rich B.

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HP2748A papertape reader : connector ?

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 11:57 PM 6/28/01 +0100, you wrote: >> >> >> A recent dumpster dive yielded a HP2748A papertape reader. Does anyone have >> the interface spec's for this device handy ? > >I know the unit (I have one somewhere), but I've never found out much >about it..... A google search led me to Jeff Moffatt's web site. http://oscar.taurus.com/~jeff/2100/index.html He has a "yellow file box" containing the info on the interface card that goes in the 21xx series. Old HP docs are pretty good about describing the interface signals and cables.

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Whats a reasonable collection?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > Wow, I didn't know Peddle designed MCA. What else did he do (besides the > > > Nor did I... Are you sure??? > > I'm kind of surprised myself. Senility set in for me well before my current age of 44, so I could be wrong.... what i can be sure of is that the name of the MCA designer was a very familiar name to me as a micro enthusiast. > > > 6502 and the PET)? > > > The Sirius/Victor 9000 ? > > Yep, that was him. Ah, still neeed a Victor 9000 for the collection... -dq

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A little HP9877 info

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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2 awesome days of awesome finds!

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

It seems the classic computer gods have been smiling on me this week... Yesterday I went to a scrapyard I hadn't been to in a while, was thinking same stuff as before, then I saw some MicroVAX II's.. Not terribly exciting, but new... And then I turned around, and nearly peed my pants: A TI 990 with a TI FD1000 floppy disk system! And then I found a 2nd one... Both are 990/5's, one in the 5-slot chassis and one in a 13.. And I found 2 more empty chassis that will need some help, but are definetly rebuildable... And I paid less for all 4 and the 2 FD1000's than one empty chassis sold for on Ebay! Once I got the stuff unloaded, I was feeling brave, so I plugged in one of the CPUs and turned it on.. and... IT WORKED! Anyway, today I went by another surplus place I frequent, and they said "Oh, we have a bunch of DEC docs for you" So I walked back and there were 4 racks of PDP-11 stuff.. 3 DECDatasystems (11/23-based), each with dual RL02s (one rack may have RL01's), a 4th rack with an RL02 and a Fujitsu M2312K, 32 disk packs, including a pair with RSX-11+ 4.0 on them, manuals for a DECmate (VT278), all the software for the DECmate, the manuals for the DECdatasystems, and some handbooks... Also when I was at the scrapyard on Monday, a guy who saw me load my car asked me about the stuff, I told him about my museum plans, and he gave me his business card and told me to call a person at where he works and he said that "they could fill my pickup" with minicomputers! I now own 10 minis with blinkenlights.. and only 1 of them is DEC! YAY! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Apple II programming intro?

by owad＠applefritter.com

I have a bunch of Apple IIe's I'm planning to give away to kids locally, but not really any software for them, so they'll probably only be used for BASIC programming. Does anybody know of a short guide to programming in BASIC (ideally on the Apple II) that I could print out and include with these systems? Thanks, Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

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Classic busses (was Re: Whats a reasonable collection?)

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Take a look at the following for a good list of TurboChannel cards (this is > most if not all of them). > > http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/pmax/models.html It may be most, but it's definitely not all of them, even if you restrict yourself to DEC options. In addition to the DEC VMEbus adapter I mentioned in another message, there was also an A.Open (I think that's the name; the mutilation of I2C DEC used for keyboards and mice on the 5000/25) adapter. I know DEC did some serial ports, although I don't think they sold them; when I asked for info on doing serial port drivers for Ultrix, they dredged up code for a TURBOchannel serial interface from the bowels of some Ultrix lab. There was also some audio interface they used as an example implemenation in some paper somewhere. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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Classic busses (was Re: Whats a reasonable collection?)

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> >Turbochannel is the bus I've seen most often with DEC RISC workstations, > >although I think they were not the only vendor to use it. The MIPS boxes > >and the early Alpha boxes were Turbochannel. Mostly, it was used for > >frame buffers, but I think there were one or two non-graphic Turbochannel > >cards. > > I know that there have been at least TC VME expansion chassis, an FDDI > adaptor, SCSI and Ethernet. A company I used to work for produced a VME expansion chassis, serial ports, parallel ports, T1, MIL-STD-1553, a real-time clock, and did some initial work on IEEE-488. I was the only device driver guy, and I supported most of these (exceptions being VME (supported by DEC) and IEEE-488 (DEC did a device driver, but I was too busy to document and package it; had I not been too busy, _I_ would have written the driver to begin with) under Ultrix, OSF/1, Alpha/VMS, and VAX/VMS. I did a device driver for one of the modules under MIPS/OSF/1, but that never went anywhere because DEC pulled the plug on that OS (I do have tapes somewhere, though). I did some work with another company's TC QBus expansion chassis and I designed the TC adapter for the VAXstation 4000/60 and /90. I'm aware of other TC VMEbus expansion chassis (DEC had one, as did Bit3), other serial and parallel ports (Magma), and several other options. TURBOchannel was very easy to interface to; the bus interface on most of our options consisted of a rank of registered bus transceivers and a PAL22V10. I once built a bus torture device from a rank of registered bus transceivers and an AM29CPL154; with only those five parts, I could exercise the entire bus protocol, including determining the maximum DMA burst length. PCI, on the other hand, requires some pretty complex state machines. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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Anybody good at disassembly????

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Gene Ehrich wrote: > > > I remember back in the early days at IBM right before the 360 was announced > > that they were talking in the industry of the possibility of a > > disassembler. Most people poo-poo'd it as impossible. Datamation magazine > > had a cartoon with a picture of a machine labeled disassembler with a > > conveyer belt on each side. A worker was feeding cans of applesauce into > > the machine and on the other side apples were coming out. > > Maybe hindsight is always 20/20, but I don't see why machine code > disassembly would be viewed as an impossible task? I mean, weren't people > able to look at hex or octal dumps and translate them into the > corresponding mnemonics? This generally isn't a task that requires a high > IQ, it's basically a simple lookup operation. Hell, the problem is better > suited to computer based solutions than it is to people doing it. People still *are* able to look at octal dumps; but since my arms got shorter, all the numbers blend together. So, since I don't think my arms will get longer any time soon, I wrote a dissassembler. Using an unfinished simulator that handles the instruction decoding and welding it into a dump utility that translates from the CDC 60-bit words of Display Code (6-bit character set) gave me a useful disassembler. Technically, it's not a disassembler, rather, it's just an opcode dump. I need to add a scripting ability that I can use to specify data areas that should not get tramslated into opcodes. Funny thing, when I first started doing this 25 years ago, I did just take an octal dump and disassemble it by hand. Regards, -doug q

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Classic busses (was Re: Whats a reasonable collection?)

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Did any vendor besides DEC > ever use the turbochannel? The only system vendor I'm aware of is Kubota. There were, of course, many third-party options for TURBOchannel. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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FS/T/Free at VCF East or in PA

by owad＠applefritter.com

This is stuff I really need to get rid of, but really don't want to ship. It can be picked up in south-central PA (that would be wonderful!) or I can take it with me to VCF East. I'm willing to trade (list of things I'm looking for below), will accept cash (it takes up less space than computers), and some of this stuff I just want to get rid of (a number of Apple IIe's and Commodore 64's may very well end up in the trash unless somebody rescues them). Offers of $0 are welcome. I would have waited until closer to VCF, but some of this stuff may seriously end up in the trash. Unless otherwise noted, this stuff is untested/as is and probably not so much as touched by me. Stuff to be rid of: HP 150 w/9133 expansion unit (no kb) DEC 3000 - pizza box style, no RAM/HD, case could be nicer. Zenith Data Systems CP/M system (I didn't see a name, but its a cpu, kb, & monitor in one thing), dual 5.25" floppy drives, Corvus HD. I plugged it in, flicked the switch, and nothing happened. It occured to me there are other computers I'd rather be playing with and I haven't touched it since. CoCo 1's and 2's - no accessories and I'm not sure exactly what I have, definitely at least one CoCo 1 and I couldn't see the labels on the other two. I know they're not III's. DEC Thinwire Ethernet Multiport Repeater Zenith Data Systems laptops (3), 3.5" disk drives, clamshell design, very questionable condition (IIRC I had these all apart at one time), two external battery packs (certainly dead) TRS-80 printer selector interface, printer controller, modem IB, 2 "Mini Disk" 5.25" drives, a bunch of plastic covers for a TRS-80, printers, and drives (one of the drive covers has holes in it) Paradox - manuals and disks Infocipher receivers (3) Tandy Disk Cartridge System w/6 cartridges. It looks like its compatible with the "Bernoulli Box" cartridge system and some of the cartridges are made by Bernoulli (they're about 12"x8", plastic, and very light). This thing's pretty neat. several Commodore 64's, 4 disk drives, printer, cassette recorder, a mess of cables and a number of joysticks (part of mess), a couple of cartridges (incl a modem), a brand new replacement keyboard, a 6" stack of floppy disks, and a bunch of manuals. Apple IIe computers. ImageWriter I's. ImageWriter II's. Lots. Somebody, please take some of these! Mac LC 580's. 8MB RAM, 500MB HD's, ethernet cards, keyboards, mice. $20 apiece. $15 apiece w/out KB & mouse. ImageWriter II included free! ;) What I want: Apple & Mac clones Interesting Apple stuff PERQ/Alto/Star Canon Cat/Swyft Nutek One/Duet NeXT cube Apple II An operating system for a Micro PDP-11 that I can install off 5.25" disks a warehouse Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

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Whats a reasonable collection?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 6/28/01 1:46:05 PM Central Daylight Time, mikeford(a)socal.rr.com writes: << >Only thing I don't like is a lack of fast SCSI cards. I have all kinds >of good scsi cards for my EISA computer, but not my Microchannel. I SCSI MCA cards are so common in the systems I find I don't bother to keep them anymore. Want to explain the above so I understand what to look for? >> there's plenty to choose from, scsi with or without cache, or you can even get some of the better scsi controllers out of the 9595 models. I have several non IBM MCA SCSI adaptors which Ive installed in some pre-existing SCSI-equipped PS2s just so I have a standard external connector to work with. Those IBM external cables are getting hard to find.

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Looking for info - En-link Ethernet card for the Apple II

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

>Just 'cuz ethernet cards are $9 now and mice sell for as little as $1 doesn't >mean they always did. You gotta remember the 1% rule (although it applies >more to systems than peripherals) - ten years later, you can get a computer >for 1% of its original purchase price. There are exceptions, of course, and >much later, say, twenty years, it's not as cheap as 1% anymore, but that's >due to scarcity and eBay fever. Not to mention that designing and producing a very low production board such as the ethernet board for the IIGS surely isn't cheap. The volume just isn't there to drive the price down. Michael Holley has finished the design of a new floppy controller for the SS-50 bus machines and has a few examples running and is testing them, but after paying for the fabrication of the PCB and the various chips and other parts, the finished board is costing nearly $100 in parts alone. I would imagine most on this list would balk at paying that much but it certainly would fill a void if you were in desperate need of a new floppy controller to get a machine up. Jeff

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Old stuff found + help identifying...Convergent boxes

by Innfogra＠aol.com

The Convergent (mini-engine, mini-frame was a nickname I believe) was a modular computer made up so small boxes locked together. I think it was sold mostly to the Government and the military. The first CPU module (B25) was an Intel 80186 processor. As technology grew they made units with 286 (B28) and 386 (B36) processors. I believe they ran a proprietary OS. I have the module description manual buried somewhere in storage since the move. They had single and dual floppies, single and dual HDs of several sizes, tape drives, mono & color graphics, even a PC emulator module. The module name is usually on the front. All of the power supplies were external 36 V with RJ type cables. They were different power capacities depending on the draw required by the module. I always thought they were cute but never got one up and running. Monitors and graphic modules need to match. You need the proprietary keyboard. They are password protected. Paxton Astoria, OR

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data migration

by enrinaso＠tin.it

J need to migrate data from a 3M DC600A Data Cartridge(60Mb) backed up from an internal tape onto a Honeywell Bull DPS6-Plus to any PC-compatible media-support. This means Floppy, Zip, cd-rom, ecc.) thank for your attention Enrico Naso

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Wanted: VT420/510 terminals (general interest, Dec gear in TX)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

>From: Curt Vendel <webmaster(a)atari-history.com> > >Anybody have two VT 320 or 420 or perhaps 510 terminals for sale??? See below, from austin.forsale a few days ago. If anybody needs/wants some of this, for shipping, I can try to arrange a pickup this weekend and ship next week, as I'll be in Austin on the weekend. Contact T. S. Murphy first to make sure it's still there, though. Curt, I suggest items 15. and 16., assuming they work together. BTW, what's the story with the kilobuck worth of NeXTs? I think I committed for one of them and have not heard from you yet. -Mark >From: "T. S. Murphy" <tsm(a)palindrome.org> >Subject: FS: DEC Computer Equipment >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 12:45:06 -0500 >Organization: SBC Internet Services > >I have the following items for sale / give away. Will consider trading for >other DEC things. All items must be picked up in central Austin. Please >e-mail me at tsm(a)palindrome.org for more information. Thanks! > >1. Rackmounted MicroVAX II system (in H9642 cabinet). Can run VMS or NetBSD. >Weighs approximately 500 lbs. FREE. > >2. DECmate IIIplus computer. Base unit only. $1.00 > >3. PDP-11/53 computer (in BA23 chassis). Base unit only. $100. > >4. DEC Multia computer. 166 MHz Alpha 21066 processor. 64 MB RAM. 2.1 GB >SCSI disk. Integrated network, SCSI, graphics, etc. OpenVMS 7.2 installed, >but can run Linux, Windows NT, or Tru64. Base unit only. $125. > >5. DEC Multia computer. 166 MHz Alpha 21066 processor. 96 MB RAM. No disk. >Integrated network, SCSI, graphics, etc. Can run Linux, Windows NT, Tru64, >or OpenVMS. Base unit only. $125. > >6. DEC VAXstation 4000/60 computer. 8 MB RAM. No disk. Integrated SCSI, >network, graphics, etc. Base unit only. $50 > >7. DEC VAXstation 3100/M38-SPX computer. 20 MB RAM. No disk. Dual SCSI, >network, graphics, etc. Base unit only. $30 > >8. DEC VAXstation 3100. 4 MB RAM. No disk. The SCSI and/or network does not >work properly. Base unit only. FREE. > >9. applicationDEC 433MP computer. Very nice SCSI based backplane server, >supports up to four 486 processors (only one installed now). 16 MB RAM, 1GB >disk. FreeBSD installed; can run any PC operating system. Base unit only. >$10. > >10. DEC VRC16-HA monitor. Very nice monitor, works with DEC 3000 computer. >$25. > >11. DEC VR16O-DA monitor. Works with VAXstation 3100. $10. > >12. DEC VRT16-DA monitor. Works with VAXstation 4000. $10. > >13. DEC branded 14" SVGA monitor (goes very well with a Multia) $10 > >14. DEC branded PC keyboards: PCXLA-NA. (also goes well with a Multia) >several avialable new in box @ $5 > >15. DEC LK201 keyboards, several available @ $10 > >16. DEC VT220 & VT320 terminals with scratched screens (keyboard not >included). FREE

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FW: Silent 700 Model 707

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I picked up a TI Silent 700 model 707 recently (a nice, small variant > with built-in modem, see http://pobox.com/~fmw/misc/Silent700.jpg), > with hopes of converting to use as a direct line serial terminal. > > Before I open it up and poke around, does anyone already know how to > do this? Portwise, there are two RJ11 ports (phone&wall) and a 6-pin > acoustic coupler port of unknown pinout. I suspect it's possible, but I've left mine alone and instead sought other model Silent 700s for use as serial terminals. One of my 707s has the coupler; I'll see if I can't determine the pinout for you, but IIRC, the connector carries audio only. Regards, -doug q

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2 awesome days of awesome finds!

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Does a KA10 have blinkenlights or does it suck? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Whats a reasonable collection?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 6/27/01 5:15:23 PM Central Daylight Time, mikeford(a)socal.rr.com writes: << >The last MCA I am aware of ran at 40MHz. Ran stupid fast at that clock >rate. I have some DX50 processor complexes, and a couple type 4 that run pentium 90 mhz I think. >> The p90 came in the server500 series. Theoretically, you can swap any CPU complex between the 85,90,95 and server 500 series machines. All you have to do is run the correct ref disk for the type complex you are using. (type 1,2,3 or 4)

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Old stuff found + help identifying...

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

No, not Concurrent. Close though.. You're thinking "Convergent". Concurrent makes minicomputers, never made anything small like the Convergent... Those are neat little systems : ) Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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2 awesome days of awesome finds!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I saw a Modcomp front panel just the other day. Very nice > looking bit of kit, but it wasn't wired up to anything, so > no blinkenlights. > > > a Microdata, a CDC, a Prime, a Basic Four, a Bytronix, a > > Now a Prime would be nice, but the one I used 1981-85 at > Westfield College, London, was a P750 with (as far as I'm > aware) no lights or switches. Apart from the reset button, > which nearly got pressed by a visitor on a machine room > tour! The P400 was the last machine (well, maybe the 450?) that had a front panel. It was an interesting bump-out design, but wasn't really very cool looking, when compared to an Eclipse, or a KI-10, or hell, even a KL-10. My 2455 has a virtual control panel like the 750 did. If I had a real front panel, the damned thing might be running right now. Regards, -dq

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Cruel Fates & The Exidy Sorcerer

by dlw＠trailingedge.com

Argh!!! I just received an email from someone who just threw away 3 working Exidy Sorcerer's because they thought they'd never hear anything about them ever again. THEN they found my website. The fates mock me. :-( Well the good news is they may still have some Sorcerer newsletters they produced which I've asked to place on the site so I guess it isn't all bad. ----- "What is, is what?" "When the mind is free of any thought or judgement, then and only then can we know things as they are." David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

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VAX 6000 SYSTEMS

by icc_uk＠yahoo.com

Good afternoon i found some information that you have some vax 6000's machines for disposal, we are a dec/compaq reseller and are currently looking for the ups unit part no: h7236-a which you have listed, we would either echnage this for any equipment that you require or offer you the sum of $400 for these psu's, if this would work for you please let us know by return email thanks ===== Leon Wheeler I.C.C(International Computer Connections) Tel:+44(0)1937-840420 Direct Line Fax:+44(0)1937-840421 Email: Leon(a)icc4it.co.uk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Versatec board (ID and claim it)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I have a board that describes itself as: > > VERSATEC > LSI 11 DIFF INTF > 22 BIT ADDRESS > G10-024898- > > I believe it is an interface to some sort of hard copy device. If > anyone wants it, it is theirs for the price of shipping. An interface for a Versatec Plotter... most likely one of the electrostatic variety (as opposed to their early dot-matrix models)... Do I win? -dq

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Request for those skilling in locating odd bits-

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

There are lots of surplus old x-ray equipment that is being disposed of by hospitals and clinics. Some is sent overseas. Maybe you could intercept some. There is some danger if it is used improperly. >Request for those skilling in locating odd bits- >> I am looking for a real x-ray generator- Modifying kitchen >>appliances or using thyratrons coated with magnesium won't due. I have >> x-ray tubes and all the rest, but the power supply is the toasted bit. >I recall an article in a late-50s/early-60s issue of Scientific >American that detailed the construction of an X-Ray machine. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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FW: Whats a reasonable collection?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Douglas Quebbeman skrev: > > >To round out that heterogeny, you need a set of Thomas-Conrad ARCNet > >cards (unless you can find 20Mbps-Datapoint cards), a passive hub, > >and a serial-port-based Token-ring network that uses software written > >in Russia. The Russian software lets you host drives that are actually > >shares from other machines! > > Why Thomas-Conrad in particular? Once widely available as surplus... > Is there some kind of 20Mb Arcnet version? Datapoint had a spec for 20MBs ARCnet; I don't know if anyone every implemented it. Too bad, at that speed it would have been superior to Ethernet until the 100Mbs era began (ARCnet uses CSMA/CA to avoid collisions, instead of CSMA/CD to detect them). > >You'll want to use a Mac to bridge Ethernet to Localtalk, if you > >can find the software... > > Or why not a Shiva box? Ooo, you got a Shiva box? Sexy! > >What else? > > Apollo Tokenring, FDDI... Got the Apollo, just don't have one with two slots so I can bridge the two networks yet... -dq

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Whats a reasonable collection?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Not senility but rather an afflication known as CRS or "Can't Remember > Shit" - I'm also 44 and it hits me regularly. Not old enough to have > indulged the "bad acid" of Woodstock but there is definitely a ton of crap > between my ears that occasionally has a problem in the recovery mode. :-) Yeah, CRS, that's the ticket... > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Douglas Quebbeman > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 5:50 AM > To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > Subject: RE: Whats a reasonable collection? > > > Senility set in for me well before my current age of 44, so > I could be wrong.... what i can be sure of is that the name > of the MCA designer was a very familiar name to me as a micro > enthusiast. > -dq >

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Will the Owner of the Blue SGI Indy . . .

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

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Looking for info - En-link Ethernet card for the Apple II

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Mike Ford wrote: > > > Is there an active area for 6502 programmers, mailing list > > or usenet group? > > I think comp.sys.apple2.programmer (or something like that) > should still be around. > > > Two of my friends were real hotshots (Randy Hyde and Brian Fitzgerald) > > so I planned to bug them when I got started again, but it could be > > really picking cobwebs for both of them. I do still have a Apple II > > nicely decked out ready to run LISA, but I guess I should update to > > the version that fully used a IIgs. > > No assemblers for me...I program in hex! On toy computers maybe... *real* iron requires octal! (from one who is decoding octal dumps again) -dq

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Whats a reasonable collection?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > Not many know this, but Chuck Peddle, who designed MCA, also gave it > > legs to run up to 100MHz. However, I don't think IBM ever implemented > > an MAC bus at that speed. > > Wow, I didn't know Peddle designed MCA. What else did he do > (besides the 6502 and the PET)? As I said in another post, I could have this wrong, but the name of the MCA designer was for certain a very familiar name to me... and I don't hob-nob with engineers that much (just don't know any). Well, Gordon Bell and I have been swapping e-mails, but I wouldn't claim to *know* him. -dq

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Request for those skilling in locating odd bits-

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Ok, for what its worth, it's only the desk the Wang mounts in that is in the garage... And it is a 2200MVP.. Also, for what its worth, should anyone ever need it, I have the software for a MINC on the original floppies.. And I know where there are like 4 MINC racks (sans MINC, else I'd have a MINC rather than merely having most of the boards from one). Oh yeah, in other words I'd love to find a MINC : ) Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Slightly OT: Help? Apple CD 300 and VAX 4000 VLC

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Hello, Multiple apologies in advance: The peripherals are generally on-topic (and I think that's where my problem is), but the primary unit under investigation, the VAX, isn't until next year. Also, please forgive the long post. Finally, I'm in digest mode, so I'll respond slowly unless you cc me at mtapley(a)swri.edu . I'm trying to load OpenVMS Hobbyist (at last!) onto a VaxStation 4000 VLC. A lot is working, but something isn't. Here's what I have: VaxStation 4000 VLC 16 M Ram RZ26-L (1Gig) hard drive, no jumpers on terminator block, SCSI ID 1. S3 in up position Rainbow 100A, running Kermit on MS-DOS 3.11b, 9600/8/n/1 Offset-snap RJ11 DEC serial console cable, from VAX console connector to adaptor to DB25 at Rainbow COMM port 50pin M-M Centronics-type (off-brand) SCSI cable AppleCD 300 external (caddy-load) (can you see trouble coming right here?) SCSI ID = 2 External SCSI terminator. The SCSI is, if I'm correctly reading what RZ26 docs I have, terminated at the RZ26 and at the CD drive. (I know, this is not both "ends" of the cable. The RZ-26 is within about 10 cm. of the computer end of the cable.) I've tried the terminator-block jumper in all three positions (off, on one pair, on the other pair) on the RZ26, same results. I've also tried with and without the external terminator on the CD, same results. When I turn everything else on, load the CD caddy with the DEC Hobbyist VMS CD in place, then turn on the VAX, I see on the Rainbow (edited from the Kermit session log, esc/other special characters dealt with harshly by my text editor and me): KA48-A V1.3-343-V4.0 08-00-2B-2A-D7-1A 16MB |xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx| ?? 010 2 LCG 0086 ?? 001 9 NI 0172 ?? 121 10 SCSI 0034 >>> uh-oh. I'm *hoping* the LCG line means no monitor attached to the VAX graphics board (true, also no keyboard or mouse - yet), and the NI line means I'm not connected to a network (also true, so far). Anybody with a 4000 VLC owners' manual? The SCSI line worries me. (When I boot without the CD drive attached, or with the CD drive turned off, it does not appear.) If I then do SHOW CONFIG I see: KA48-A V1.3-343-V4.0 08-00-2B-2A-D7-1A 16MB DEVNBR DEVNAM INFO ------ -------- -------------------------- 1 NVR OK 2 LCG ?? 010 0086 HR - 8 PLN FB - V1.2 3 DZ OK 4 CACHE OK 5 MEM OK 16MB = S0/1=8MB, S2/3=8MB, S4/5=0MB 6 FPU OK 7 IT OK 8 SYS OK 9 NI ?? 001 0172 10 SCSI ?? 121 0034 1-RZ26L 2-CD-ROM 6-INITR 11 AUD OK >>> The SCSI system has correctly identified the addresses and types of the two drives on it - but still shows ??'s. (I can change the address at which INITR appears, using the SET SCSI command. No effect that I've noticed. Things were wierd when the CD-ROM SCSI ID and INITR were both set to 6.) If I then do SHOW DEV, the RZ26 spins up, starts clicking and clacking, and I see: VMS/VMB ADDR DEVTYPE NUMBYTES RM/FX WP DEVNAM REV ------- ---- ------- -------- ----- -- ------ --- ESA0 08-00-2B-2A-D7-1A ?33 UNXINT 010 00000002 041F0000 and the system seems to stop there. I can <BREAK> out back to the >>> prompt, but never get the info for either the RZ26 or the CD drive. (With no CD drive, I do see info (correct, as far as I can tell) for the RZ26.) I can repeat SHOW DEV and SHOW CONFIG with the same results. If I then enter BOOT DKA200 I see: ?02 EXT HLT PC= 2004ACA4 PSL= 041F0000 and that's about as far as it goes. I can still <BREAK> back to the prompt. *However*, if I shut down the VAX, Start back up, and at the first prompt, enter boot dka200 , the CD active light goes on and flickers as though it were being accessed, and the Rainbow shows: -DKA200 %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping the SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk %SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk %SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map PAGEFILE.SYS on the System Disk OpenVMS (TM) VAX Version X72T Major version id = 1 Minor version id = 0 PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY HH:MM) I enter 26-JUN-2001 and see: Configuring devices . . . Available device DKA100: device type RZ26L Available device DKA200: device type SONY CD-ROM CDU-8 %BACKUP-I-IDENT, Stand-alone BACKUP T7.2; the date is 26-JUN-2001 00:00:56.16 $ Up to here it matches pretty well with what the docs for the Hobbyist CD indicate. I enter BACKUP/IMAGE DKA200:VMS072.B/SAVE DKA100: and see: %SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, SABKUP$DKA200: is offline. Mount verification in progress. and that's all I see, at least for as long as I've had patience to watch. The CD active light is off from then on. When my patience runs out, I hit <Break> on the Rainbow, get a >>> prompt, and do SHOW DEV (same result as above), <Break>, SHOW CONFIG (same as above), and then SHOW DEV and I see: VMS/VMB ADDR DEVTYPE NUMBYTES RM/FX WP DEVNAM REV ------- ---- ------- -------- ----- -- ------ --- ESA0 08-00-2B-2A-D7-1A DKA100 A/1/0 DISK 1.05GB FX RZ26L 441T DKA200 A/2/0 RODISK 681.57MB RM WP CD-ROM 1.9a A/2/7 A/2/7 A/2/7 A/2/7 ..HostID.. A/6 INITR Now the SCSI system has identified the CD drive as a SONY and correctly read data from the CD (else how did it know that it was trying to load OpenVMS 7.2?)! Yet something is still, to quote the bard, "rotten in Denmark". I can't get (haven't gotten?) through the install sequence any farther than the accursed %SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER. Out of decorum, I suppose I should say WITW? (What in the World?) but stronger language is what I have in mind. Clues would be well appreciated. I have not tried disassembling the SCSI drive - it seems to work OK with the NeXT, and with Macs (PB3400, Plus). I could do that, though. Help? In the absence of any clues, I'll probably take apart the CD300 to see if I can spot anything obviously misjumpered, then start hunting for a real DEC external CD drive. - Mark

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FW: Whats a reasonable collection?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >Not everyone in the house needs a PC; I think I'm > >more happy with one PC in a central room where I can > > Hmmm, I was thinking of cutting down to about 50 computers, about half > networked and the other half as curiousities or spares. I have six areas > that each need a working mac and pc, (5) main servers each running > something different (Linux, NT, OS2, AppleShare (one 3.0.4 to boot IIgs > systems, and one running a newer IP version)), fun servers HP/ux on some > Apollo's, various on older macs and PCs), dedicated systems (scanner, > couple phone things, (2) CDR burners), various old systems running old > software. I want to have as many different kinds of segments on my network > as I can manage, which means running a model 95 OS/2 system to bridge > between 10bt and tokenring on twinax. To round out that heterogeny, you need a set of Thomas-Conrad ARCNet cards (unless you can find 20Mbps-Datapoint cards), a passive hub, and a serial-port-based Token-ring network that uses software written in Russia. The Russian software lets you host drives that are actually shares from other machines! You'll want to use a Mac to bridge Ethernet to Localtalk, if you can find the software... What else? -dq

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Jetform Central 5.0

by janet.meyer＠angelo.edu

Thought someone working with HP/UX would be interested.

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Whats a reasonable collection?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I love microchannel equipment. 8-) > Not many know this, but Chuck Peddle, who designed MCA, also gave it legs to run up to 100MHz. However, I don't think IBM ever implemented an MAC bus at that speed. Regards, -doug q

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Intro and plotter question.

by melvin.williams＠varian.com

My name is Mel and I just found this list. I am currently trying to get a couple of pen plotters working. The first is a sweet pea six shooter. It runs the self test fine but I don't have the manual for it. I need to know about any cabling issues. The other is a mannesmann tally pixy 3 I have the manual for this one but it says nothing about the driver for it. Thanks for any help. Mel

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