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OT oil shortage was: Celebration (Not intended to be off ensive, possible humor)

by David.Neal＠ubsw.com

Well, yes. Strain out the bits, add some cheap, freely available chem's ( mainly to form the chemical chains ), then dump the crap in the tank and drive off, all in the back yard. Smells of a chip shop too. BioDiesel is really the term used for stuff like processed rape seed oil and the like. Currently ( in the UK ) this is taxed at a lower rate than oil based fossil fuel, but not as low as LPG, even though it's renewable. Believe other 'oil' planet can be used too, not sure of yield or processing requirements. -----Original Message----- From: fernande Sent: 09 July 2001 15:42 To: classiccmp Cc: fernande Subject: Re: OT oil shortage was: Celebration (Not intended to be off ensive, possible humor) I'm not sure what you mean..... are you saying you run your car on the oil that potatoe chips are cooked in?? Isn't it kind of thick? Is that what you are calling,"biodiesel"? Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA David.Neal(a)ubsw.com wrote: > > bit out of my field, but there's no reason we can't run cars' on > biodiesel. Renewable fuel source with fewer pollutants. I'm currently > running my Peugeot on recycled chip fat oil, which I get free from the > local chippie ( they have to pay for theirs to be removed as it's an > 'industrial waste' and hence were more than happy for some bod to come > along a offer to take it away for free ). > > Cheers > > D Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments.

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(fwd) Windows 286 and Lotus 123 for DOS 3.4 Upgrade

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

If anyone has any interest in this stuff, please contact this gentleman directly. On Sun, 8 Jul 2001 15:25:14 -0500, "Jonathan Stirrup" <jon_on_server(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >Bill, > > My name is Jon. I was rooting through some old junk and low and behold I >found an unopened Windows/286 and an unopened Lotus 123 for DOS 3.4 Upgrade. >I know a lot about current software, but I am a novice at old software. I >search on the internet for information on the Windows/286 and came across >your page. I have no Idea if I may stumbled onto something collectable or >not. Any opinion? Thanks. > >Regards, > >Jon > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r Home of Fun with Molten Metal, technological oddities, and the original COSMAC Elf computer simulator!

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The Computer Journal

by alm＠door.amresearch.com

No intent to defraud? Could have fooled me! When TCJ was owned by Bill Kibler they processed our credit card transactions, we were only a few miles apart and both Forthies. After Dave Baldwin took over TCJ my cost went up so we discouraged credit card transactions and only took a few overseas or medium-sized. I had/have complete trust and faith in Bill Kibler. He's an honorable man so I didn't follow things as well as I might have otherwise. Before too long Dave Baldwin owed me about two kilobucks and was months behind in reimbursement. Repeated telephone calls elicited, "I'm fine, you'll get your money." It never happened, the miserable piece of shit embezzled a lot of money from us. I doubt if you'll ever see another issue or get a penny back. Here's his local address and telephone numbers if you want to contact him directly: David Baldwin 6619 Westbrook Drive P.O. Box 3900 Citrus Heights, CA 95621 TCJ 722-4970 FAX 722-7480 DIBS 733-3877 BBS 722-5799 Feel free to abuse him and share my going public with his criminal activities. Regrettably the local sheriff tried to resolve things and got a small payment so the DA now refuses to prosecute because that legally turned the theft into a loan. Doesn't pay to be a nice guy, huh? -- Regards, Albert ------------------------------------------------- AM Research, Inc. The Embedded Systems Experts http://www.amresearch.com (800) 949-8051 -------------------------------------------------

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OT Celebration (Not intended to be offensive, possible humor)

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Joe writes > Wrong! Puerto Rico is going to be the 51st state. Canada will be the >52nd. (We have to keep our priorities straight.) :-) > > Joe I thought Canada was a province or is it a colony? :) What does it take to upgrade from a province or a colony to be a US state? I think they meet the basic requirements 1. Beer 2. Speak English (sort of) 3. Dollars Now that I think about it, Utah may fail on the Beer part. Kick out Utah, replace with Canada. (Remember it's attempted humor) Mike

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BA440 Backplane

by dittman＠dittman.net

Does anyone have the part numbers for the new and old BA440 backplanes? If so, is "5019353-01 K2P1 54-19354" a new or old backplane? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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SGI Indy2

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 8, Zane H. Healy wrote: > Depends if it is all there, including the OS, and the media for the OS. > Still not a whole lot. Indy's are pretty slow. It's the Indigo2's that I've an Indy with a 200MHz R4400 that's anything but slow. Granted the majority of them have crappy R4000s or R4600s, but beefier R4400 or R5000 machines are around. -Dave McGuire

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X-10 (was Re: controlling power)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0106261847000.21999-100000(a)lanshark.lanminds.com> <3B491E60.6D30BA7E(a)greenbelt.com> <3B4942A8.EC83EA35(a)home.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 8) "Bryce Canyon" XEmacs Lucid FCC: ~/Mail/sent-mail On July 9, Neil Cherry wrote: > X10 was marketed to Radio Shack in 1978 and the first review of it was > in 1979. So it's a lot closer to 22 years old. Motorola had limited > produced the 6809 in 78/79 (no where near '71). Wasn't this issue > cleared up before? I think Don just missed a digit by one. X10 was originally marketed by BSR, if memory serves. -Dave McGuire

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SGI Indy2

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 8, Zane H. Healy wrote: > The problem is your 200Mhz R4400 is only slightly faster than one SM71 > which is a SuperSparc II running at 75Mhz. My Sparc 20 with Dual SM71's > feels slow at times, mainly when doing web browsing or software compiles. Hmm...you running Solaris on that SS20? That might explain it. ;) > I'd love to have an SGI box, but they're even more expensive than Sun's or > DEC Alpha's. An even bigger problem for me is you can have a x86 box > running Solaris 8 that will totally blow away any moderatly fast SGI or > Sparc system and will likely cost a lot less. My Dual 400Mhz Celeron > running Linux pretty blows away any of my other systems with the possible > exception of my Mac, and my DEC PWS 433au. Yeah, sure...until you try to do more than one thing at a time. -Dave McGuire

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Ended auction for qbus SCSI

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 9, Chad Fernandez wrote: > Did anybody see this? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1252001410 > > It went for $305.00! Does this surprise you? -Dave McGuire

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4th of July Hypocricy (was: OT Celebration)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 4, Richard Erlacher wrote: > It all supports the Californian conclusion that "you can't legislate good > sense." > > It's worth noting, however, that the U.S. is about the only industrialized > country in the world that bends over as far as it does to protect those who are > STUPID while doing absolutely nothing to protect the rest of us from them. Yes, fighting Darwin all the way. I HATE that. Protect and coddle the stupid so they can annoy the hell out of the rest of us, and dilute the GOOD genes in the process. ARGH! -Dave McGuire

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TU-58 rollers and emulation (was Re: VAX 11/725)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> >> > There is out there a TU-58 emulator for PeeCee... There is one that runs under UNIX. Also the rollers for the TU58 I clean off the goo to get down to the basic hub then use .500 od/.375 id Tygon tubing. which is a stretch fit over the hub, add a drop of super glue and trim to width as diameter is not critical and that material seems to hit it very close. I've done this to maybe 8 them I still use. Allison

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OT Celebration (Not intended to be offensive, possible humor)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Technically, Jamaica meets all those criteria... Their currency is called dollars, they speak English, mon, and I'm sure they make beer... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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COPY 190

by optimus＠canit.se

A month or so ago, we were given a large load of Commodore things - a C64, 2?1541-II, CP/M cartridge, mouse, GEOS, complete collection of "?tta bitar" magazines, and games, lots of games. Today I thought I'd try to transfer some games to disks, since I don't have any good experiences with cassettes, though this was my first encounter with turbo tapes, which do not require as much patience. Anyway, I first had some luck with smaller games (turbo games occupying about 20 blocks), which could just be loaded and then saved to disk. Others were simply too large for the BASIC and any results at SAVEing resulted in out of memory errors. Then we found a program called COPY 190 on one of the tapes. It looked very promising, presenting the user with a menu allowing for transfers between tapes and disks in any direction. Only it seemed to have one serious bug: it didn't handle file names with spaces, and just about every file on the tapes had spaces in them. Has anyone got any experience with this program or any tips? I first select "tape to disk", then the program prompts for a filename. Entering ARCHON works fine. It asks whether the tape uses a turbo, which it does, and then it waits for the tape to start. Then it finds ARCHON, which has no spaces in it, loads it into memory and writes it to the floppy. However, if I instead enter the name ARMY MOVES or "ARMY MOVES", it will find ARMY MOVES and load, then it will find the following file and load that one, and so on, without ever saving to floppy. Very frustrating. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. Die Zeit kommt aus der Zukunft, die nicht existiert, in die Gegenwart, die keine Dauer hat, und geht in die Vergangenheit, die aufgeh?rt hat, zu bestehen. --- Augustinus (R?m. Kirchenlehrer, 354-430 n. Chr.)

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TU-58 questions

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

Now that I have found a missing box of TU-58s, I plan to back them up for archival and emulation purposes. The easiest TU-58 drive I have access to is from an 11/730 (I have a VT-103 in storage, but the other drive is already out). Being as old as it is, the pinch rollers have turned to goo, naturally. Can someone give me a tip on what size Tygon tubing people have been using for replacement rollers? Is this something I can find at a Home Despot or do I have to go to an aquarium shop? Do you clean off all the residue from the aluminum hub, or do you just pull the goo off and put the Tygon right on? Is there an online listing of the jumpers on the TU-58 logic board? I want to make sure it's strapped to something useful. Looking at the internal power cable, Red could be +5 and Orange could be +12V, but does anyone know for sure? I plan to make an adapter cable and power the drive off of a PC floppy power plug. What's good software to make a physical block-for-block backup of a TU-58 tape? I don't care if it's UNIX or Winblows, I can do either. Are there any magical things that have to be done with the data cable, or can I just make sure gnd, pin 2 and pin 3 go through? Thanks for any and all help. Last question: does the VMS Hobbyist program cover VMS 3.x? -ethan ===== Visit "The Seventh Continent" http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Vintage/Classic Computer anything in Dallas, Texas

by chomko＠greenbelt.com

Anyone know of anything of interest in the Dallas, Texas are related to vintage/classic computer stuff? I'll be there over the week of July 4th. But I'm STILL trying to find away to get to Boston area at the end of the month (VCF East), vacation hours permitting. Anyway, any help with info about Big D and classic computers appreciated. Thank, Eric

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SGI Indy2

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 8, geoffr wrote: > Wht is one worth? (roughly) Indy2? No such thing. You probably mean either Indy or Indigo2. Very different machines. Anywhere from $100 to $1000 depending on specific model, processor, memory, and video system. -Dave McGuire

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VCF East - item sales

by vcf＠siconic.com

On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Bob Stek wrote: > I will be bringing some stuff to sell with me at the VCF. But with > manning my booth, listening to speakers, and nosing around, I figured > that I wouldn't have time to also sell stuff. So to support your > efforts I thought I would just let VCF sell my stuff and take its > percentage. The consignment area at the VCF is a great way to sell stuff. My crack staff of vintage computer sprites will handle all the details for you :) http://www.vintage.org/2001/east/vendor.php3#consignment > But, to make things interesting (and to make up for bad karma earned > by buying and selling on ebay), would you consider letting sellers do > reverse auctions? E.g., between 9 and 12, item's price is $40, > between 12 and 3 it's $30, and after 3 PM it's $20. Each seller could > have a sheet of prices and times taped to items so it shouldn't impose > any additional burden on your folks doing the selling. This can be handled already within the existing consignment system. The way it works now, you specify a price you'd like to sell the item for and the minimum you will take. Any offers on the item between the sticker price and the minimum price will be accepted on your behalf (this is all explained on the consignment form). I can add columns to the sheet to specify pricing changes at certain hours. Those wanting to use this system can be free to do so. Good suggestion! > It would add a little incentive for folks to come back often in hopes > of getting a better deal. And it would allow those of us with limited > space to get at least a minimum amount so we don't have to truck it > back home! You got it! :) Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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OT Celebration

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

I would like to mention that while you Yanks are getting ready to celebrate the 4th of July, TODAY is the day when we Canucks put away our boots, parkas, and snow shovels, and raise a glass or two of Canadian Club or Molsens Canadian, or maybe even Mooshead Beer in memory of our great victory in the War of 1812. Cheers, chaps Charlie Fox Chas E. Fox Video Productions 793 Argyle Rd. Windsor ON N8Y 3J8 foxvideo(a)wincom.net Check out: Camcorder Kindergarten at http://chasfoxvideo.com

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OT: Celebration (intended to be offensive, possible humor)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I didnt start the thread about the 4th of july and you're still talking about NON CLASSIC COMPUTER CRAP. for goodness sakes, take it alt.sociology.whine.whine.whine PLEASE! In a message dated 7/8/01 4:22:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, edick(a)idcomm.com writes: << Well, SUPRDAVE, what was the topic? How relevant was a discussion of fireworks and 4th of July party practices to "classic computers?" Who started this thing, anyway. I know I didn't. >> -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: www.nothingtodo.org

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VCF East BBS Now Online!

by vcf＠siconic.com

The VCF East BBS is now online. You can get to it here: http://www.vintage.org/2001/east/bbs.php It is also available as a link from the VCF East pages. You can use it to post items you will be bringing to the VCF, or items you are looking for, or perhaps to schedule car pools, etc. Enjoy! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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How much is a partial Lisa worth?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> --- Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> wrote: > > > What's a good price for most of a Lisa? > > > > Too much. > > Do you mean that most people charge too much, or "any" price is too much > if it's missing bits? The former; these things are being bought up by Mac fans as part of the Mac's heritage. > Are keyboards findable? 3.5" 400K disk images with Lisa software? I > suspect that a Mac 128K/512K mouse would work (nine-pin, raw quadrature), > but keyboards are particular beasts. Anyone ever rig up a PIC scan-code > converter? I've seen just keyboards for sale on E-Bay... > I realize that I will probably never see a complete Lisa system with software, > docs and a printer go for $25, but is a base unit with a working monitor > and CPU worth $50? $100? More? Yeah, I'd give you 50 bucks for it... Honestly, in better times, I'd probably pay up to $250. These aren't those times... Regards, -doug q

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PLATO IV Terminal Update

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

A small update regarding the search for these rare beasts... It was uncertain who had made them, many thinking (assuming) it was CDC; however, given the last of the three references below, it appears it may have been made by Magnavox. Still want one... -dq 70mr02 Stifle, J. "A Plasma Display Terminal." CERL Report X-15, M arch 1970; revised: June 1973. Also appears as "The PLATO IV Student Terminal." Nov. 1974 74au01 Stifle, J. "The PLATO IV Terminal: Description of Operation." Revised: Aug. 1974 97xx01 PLATO IV: Site Controller Communications Interface for the PLATO IV Computer-based Education System. Magnavox, undated.

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VCF East - item sales

by r.stek＠snet.net

Sellam - I will be bringing some stuff to sell with me at the VCF. But with manning my booth, listening to speakers, and nosing around, I figured that I wouldn't have time to also sell stuff. So to support your efforts I thought I would just let VCF sell my stuff and take its percentage. But, to make things interesting (and to make up for bad karma earned by buying and selling on ebay), would you consider letting sellers do reverse auctions? E.g., between 9 and 12, item's price is $40, between 12 and 3 it's $30, and after 3 PM it's $20. Each seller could have a sheet of prices and times taped to items so it shouldn't impose any additional burden on your folks doing the selling. It would add a little incentive for folks to come back often in hopes of getting a better deal. And it would allow those of us with limited space to get at least a minimum amount so we don't have to truck it back home! Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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Celebration (enough already)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 8, 14:52, Richard Erlacher wrote: > If you were using Outlook Express, you could expunge the titles you don't > anticipate reading with a little "Mail Rule" that would erase it as it comes in. > Too bad one can't just skip the things. If I didn't have to read 'em as they > come in, I wouldn't have to respond ... <sigh> Richard, please take this elsewhere. You seem to be the one prolonging the agony even if you didn't start it. You've made your point, and only the insecure and childish have to respond every time. Try respecting your own social contract, or at least the part of that pertains to the list charter. I'm tired of downloading dozens of messages that have no place here and in case you haven't noticed, lots of people on the list use dialup lines, lots don't use Outlook, and writing little "Mail Rules" wouldn't save the download time anyway. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Way too much computer stuff in my basement...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 8, 12:27, Chuck McManis wrote: > At 01:48 PM 7/8/01 +0200, stefan wrote: > >You could try my site where I have an "Old Computer Market" where anybody > >can post there adds completely for free. Check it out at > >http://www.oldcomputercollection.com and select "Old Computer Market". > When I try to read these pages the text is totally obscured on the left > hand side by some weird dark blue graphic! > Oh, never mind its an "Internet Exploder Only" site ... It works fine for Netscape on my IRIX machines (with JavaScript and style sheets off). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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OT: Celebration (intended to be offensive, possible humor)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 7/8/01 10:26:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rdd(a)smart.net writes: << On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote: > child, part of that is a penalty. That penalty must ensure that you > will under no circumstances cause annoyance to anyone else ever > again, and it should serve Hmmmm... perhaps Dick needs our help with his education. Shall we set up a little meeting to explain the use of tar and feathers to him? ;-) >> <sigh> how about we CENSURE him so we can...uh... get back on topic? -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: www.nothingtodo.org

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holy grail found

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

well not really, but its a holy grail to me. I traded one of my tandy 102s to get an apple //c+ and finally got it today. Now I have every apple // model now. it's a pretty neat machine. I think it might replace the computer I use to play with and type in programs from 4 years worth of NIBBLE magazines I have. -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto, ugliest RV ever and barbie jet motorhome at www.nothingtodo.org

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VMS Timeline and more

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I was just poking around on the net, killing some time while watching something I've got running at work, so I decided to see what I could dig up on VMS. Anyway I just found a *very* interesting page. http://www.danielcurran.com/vms/vms_hist.html It has release dates and major feature changes from V1 - V7.2. BTW, for those that don't know V7.3 was released a couple months ago. Anyway it's an interesting page. It looks like http://www.danielcurran.com/vms/ might be worth looking through also. Such as http://www.danielcurran.com/vms/vms_hw.html which lists minimum OS versions for the various systems. Anyway I don't know who dug all this info up and created these pages, but they look to have a bunch of info I've been looking for, for a long time. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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FS/T: 8-bit micros

by owad＠applefritter.com

Pick up in south-central PA or at VCF East. Some of this stuff I could possibly ship. TRS-80 CoCo 2 CoCo 2 box (medoiocre condition) CCR-82 Cassette Recorder w/cable Introducing Your Color Computer 2 Getting Started with Extended Color BASIC Extended BASIC Quick Reference Carts: Color File II w/booklet & case Personal Finance II w/booklet & case Commodore VIC-20 AC adapter unusual-looking (to me) RF modulator Carts: Adventure Land Mole Attack Voodoo Castle Number Nabber, Shape Grabber River Rescue TRS-80 CoCo 3. I could have sworn I didn't own one of these. It's in the original box, which is in decent condition. TRS-80 Model 4 Getting Started with TRS-80 BASIC for Models I & III C64 in box w/a bunch of manuals and 'Books of Commodore'. And I think I've got another three Commdores, too, two of which I'm pretty certain are the newer Platinum variation. I had no idea I had so many 64's. These things are worse than rabbits. IBM Convertible w/brand-new-in-box power adapter. IBM Convertible w/battery unit & brand-new-in-box power adapter. Stuff I'm looking for: Apple & Mac clones Interesting Apple stuff NeXT cube Apple II (plain II) LEGO stuff (blocks or electronics) Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

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DECW$ resolution

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Well the two tricks that I hadn't caught on to was that you have to install the "workstation support" files, and after installing Motif you have to run AUTOGEN again so that it can mess with your parameters. Then it comes up to the window system. Very nice. --Chuck

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HPUX on HP 9020 (9000 Series 520)

by fmc＠reanimators.org

gwynp(a)artware.qc.ca wrote: > On 06-Jul-2001 Wolfgang.Eichberger(a)bps.at wrote: > > Hi. I'm searching for some HPUX docs and software for the HP 9020. > > I think HPUX 5.? is still running... > > http://hpux.asknet.de/ might interest you. It's unlikely. Wolfgang is asking about an HP 9000/520 aka 9020. It's one of HP's first 9000s, sort of an early workstation, and was well on its way to obsolescence in the early 1990s. The processor architecture is a 32-bit stack machine called FOCUS, and it's nothing like a Motorola 68000 nor HP PA-RISC. And it's been frustrating open-source types for years. Here's what etc/MACHINES file from the GNU Emacs distribution has had to say for a long time now: # HP 9000 series 500: not supported. # # The series 500 has a seriously incompatible memory architecture # which relocates data in memory during execution of a program, # and support for it would be difficult to implement. -Frank McConnell

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Celebration...

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

I think it's really unfortunate that Mr. Erlacher finds it necessary hijack the list with this ridiculous rhetoric. It's just totally beyond me why someone would want to speak in this fashion. I find the lack of importance Mr. Erlacher assigns to basic concepts such as liberty, individuality, and respect for human life appalling. We've all probably lived long enough to know that governments oftentimes get confused and start to drift from what they're supposed to be doing (keeping basic order) to legislating trivial and personal areas of human life. I'd prefer not to have every element of my life dictated by corrupt old men and off-the-wall special interest groups, so on occasion, I find it necessary to work around some of the more ridiculous instances of government spew. There are definitely things that are wrong because they hurt others and set back progress made by society, and punishments should be in place to dissuade people >from doing things like this. If you think it's necessary, however, to slaughter everyone who's ever done five over on the highway or smoked a joint, I'd be inclined to wonder what terrible abuse you must have lived through to think in this manner. Really, though, this is the "classic computer collector mailing list", not the "ultratotalitarian politics list", so as a few other people are starting to say as well, could we please just lay this one to rest? It's accomplishing nothing, save for making a lot of people very offended and angry. Thanks, --Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) | http://www.diablonet.net

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Calculator Find

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

While at the thrift on Thursday I found a Singer Friden EC 1117A electronic calculator for $1.99 plus tax. Also got non working Hitron laptop for $4.99. Picked up about 20 books with alot of them being HP calculator manuals. Almost forgot a Toshiba T5100 cost all of $2. Other than the hand full of mousepads that was it for the week. Hope to hit two big auctions next week looking for a few goodies.

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Space War?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> wrote: > As I understand it the Computer Museum History Center brought up SpaceWar > on a PDP-1 to demonstrate it before some patent attorneys who used it as > 'prior art' to invalidate some video game patents. IIRC, TCM's PDP-1 failed to power up at some time while still at TCM in Boston. (Early-mid 1990s?) It is now at Moffett Field, and there is (or was recently) interest in restoring it to functionality. -Frank McConnell

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Need DRAM chips

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

In search of 4 DRAM chips for video expansion on built-in S3 card. The ones in it are 44C256 at 60 ns and the 4 empty DIP sockets are 20 pin (10 pins each side). Anyone have 4 in their stash and want to part with them - and if so how much? Please email direct.

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MicroVMS/WS V3.0 ?!?!?!

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I just got *large* pile of TK50 tapes from my neighbor, most of which aren't that interesting. However, one is labled as follows: AQ-FT37C-BN 056222 MICROVMS/WS V3.0 BIN TK50 COPYRIGHT 1986 DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION What is it? Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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Decserver 700 question

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Does anyone know how to telnet to the DEC server 700 and then connect through it to one of the serial ports? I can connect to it with the default password, then I get the Local> prompt and can't figure out how to connect me to port7 which is currently hooked to the console of a VAX... --Chuck

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OT: Old radio gear available...cheap?

by vcf＠siconic.com

I'm working on retrieving a large haul of Osborne stuff from the wife of a former Osborne engineer who passed away earlier this year. Among his stuff is included the following radio gear, and I was wondering if anyone here was interested in any of it. The lady lives a good 4-5 hours from me and I plan to make the trip sometime in the next couple of weekends. I can bring back whatever radio gear anyone expresses an interest in and have it shipped out to them. I don't know what the lady wants for this stuff, so include an offer. She justs wants it to be out of her garage as she is moving, so any reasonable offer will probably be fine. Because of the long drive and my shortage of time these days, I'll want 1.5 * shipping for my trouble on top of your offer. The descriptions are terse so if you have any questions about any of the gear, let me know and I'll try to get answers for you. I don't think she will be able to answer any heavily technical questions. Here is what's available: Navy ships transmitter/receiver put in service in 1944 made by Stromberg in England Navy amplifier same era WWII Tank Receiver/transmitter made by Weston Navy Signal corp freq meter with last calibration manual 8' Altec cabinet with tube type modules I have no idea what this stuff is beyond what the descriptions say. Please get questions to me within the next couple days so I can send them out to her all at once. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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DEC$WINDOWS and VCB-02 ..

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

I thought that if I put a VCB-02 into my VAX that DEC$WINDOWS would automatically start up when it booted (when it recognized the console was a frame buffer). Unfortunately that is not the case. What is the secret here? Does anyone reading need a VCB-02 ? (less cab kit and cables?) --Chuck (who is working his way through his Q-bus board stash)

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IBM 604

by ecloud＠bigfoot.com

Interesting article here: http://www.ddj.com/columns/history/2001/0106hc/0106hc001.htm -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud(a)bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud kb7pwd(a)kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________

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may have found our friend shridar ayengar

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

Saw a post from 7/6 on the PS/2 newsgroup and have sent a message to him. If anyone else is looking for him try this email address: sridhar(a)cloud9.net

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OT Celebration (Not intended to be offensive, possible humor)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

WTF? can we get back on topic here? this is stupid. anyway, in my attempt to bring this back ontopic, I found a compaq portable II. other than the floppy drives, is there any difference between the II and III models? In a message dated 7/7/01 12:12:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, edick(a)idcomm.com writes: << It's like recommending that a 120 TTon nuke on TelAviv or Damascus as a solution to middle-east strife. It would solve a number of problems. The bones of contention there, including the bulk of the world's oil supply would be essentially gone, (everything from Tehran to well past Cairo, including parts of Turkey, etc, would be under about a km of glass), thereby reducing the air pollution attributable to petroleum use, and it wouldn't be safe to go there for a couple of thousand years, so folks lucky enough to survive here on Earth would probably forget about that stuff. It's possible someone might come up with a solution more compatible with the interests of the folks who are central to the mid-east struggle, however, but this would certainly end the fighting. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.com> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 8:15 AM Subject: Re: OT Celebration (Not intended to be offensive, possible humor) > On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, R. D. Davis wrote: > > > Why aren't the citizens in the U.K. up in arms over this and bashing > > the cameras with rocks and doing other things to render them > > ineffective? Why aren't effigies of the politicians who caused this > > to happen being burned in the streets? Anyone with a few functional > > brain cells should realize that such a system can easily cause many > > problems for innocent people. > > They should get guns and shoot them down! Oops, Englanders aren't allowed > to own guns. > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > >> -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: www.nothingtodo.org

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Need manual for DCS FDK2 floppy controller

by vcf＠siconic.com

I need the documentation for a Distributed Computer Systems FDK2 8" floppy disk controller (multi-bus). Might anyone here have this? If so, please reply to me directly. Thanks!! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Mannesmann Tally printer

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Does anyone have a manual for the MannesMann Tally MT 730 MobileWriter printer? I picked up a pile of them at a hamfest and they look like nice little printers but I have no instructions for them what so ever. Joe

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How much is a partial Lisa worth?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > The former; these things are being bought up by Mac fans as > > part of the Mac's heritage. > > That's the only reason I'd have any interest in it. I remember playing > with a Lisa right about the time the 128K Mac showed up. My oldest Mac > is a 512Ke that my mother bought new, full-price as a 512K and paid to > upgrade (new ROMs, double-sided drive). My same exact experience... > I'm also a big Motorola 68K fan. One of my favorite jobs ever was hacking > COMBOARDs in assembly and C (8Mhz 68000 w/32K SRAM up to 2Mb DRAM). I'd worked with the IBM ARTIC card; it was 80186-based, but it would have been so much cooler and easier to program for had it been a 68k- based board. > > Honestly, in better times, I'd probably pay up to $250. These aren't > > those times... > > No kidding. The seller is a Mac shop that's closing its doors. Most of his > stuff is overpriced, so I assumed that this was too - he's asking $300. I > did pick up a couple of Asante boxy SCSI<->Ethernet adapters, complete with > docs, cables and software for $8, bare box only, $5. I want to turn an SE > or Plus into a localtalk gateway with that software from Apple's ftp site > that has been mentioned here once or twice. I've got one of those from another manufacturer; Nova or something similar. > I'll go back to the sale on Sunday and see what hasn't moved and offer the > guy about 20% of his asking prices on some stuff and see how bad he wants > to sell it. Sounds like a plan. Regards, -dq

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digital vax3300

by kees.stravers＠iae.nl

On 2001-07-07 robwill2(a)wxs.nl said to classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >Hi, >Does anyone know where in the net I can see a picture of >this computer?? >Thanks, >Robert I've got a MicroVAX 3300 in my living room, here it is: http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/cm/lroom.html Kees. -- Kees Stravers - Geldrop, The Netherlands - kees.stravers(a)iae.nl http://www.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/ My home page (old computers,music,photography) http://www.vaxarchive.org/ Info on old DEC VAX computers (Mirrors: http://vaxarchive.khubla.com/ and http://vaxarchive.sevensages.org/) Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Registered

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How much is a partial Lisa worth?

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

I have the chance to pick up a Lisa CPU unit only. It has a 3.5" drive visible from the front, no cards visible from the outside (couldn't open the back to look in), and does not come with keyboard or mouse. On the back are a video out jack, two 25-pin serial connections, a reset button and an interrupt button. The power switch lights up and is next to the 1/4" keyboard jack. When I turn it on, the screen looks good and I can see it going through its paces. It complains that there is no keyboard. I have no idea how much one would cost, but I expect it's >$50. I do not know how to tell if has been "upgraded" to a Mac/XL or if it is original. What's a good price for most of a Lisa? -ethan ===== Visit "The Seventh Continent" http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Space War?

by CELang＠worldnet.att.net

The sum total of my knowledge on this is an article in Creative Computing magazine (Aug 1981, Vol 7, No 8) by J. Martin Graetz, one of the guys who wrote it. I see someone has already posted the URL: http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/spacewar/ That's what got me to dig out the old article the other night. Graetz mentioned in the article that "Spacewar!" was ported to almost any machine of the day that had a scope. I don't know about being the "first game", but as far as arcade type game... I think it could lay a serious claim. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Bob Shannon <bshannon(a)tiac.net> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, July 05, 2001 7:37 PM Subject: Space War? >As I understand it, the first video game ever was space war, written at MIT. > >Does anyone here know anything about a port of space war for the HP2115? > >Many years ago I purchased a 2115 from the MIT equipment exchange. Paper >lables on the front panel suggest that the machine at one time played space >war. > >I've kept the core unlatered, but the idea of reverse engineering whatever >code >may (or may not) be stored in core seems impractical. The machine had all its > >I/O boards removed before I got to it. > >I'm tempted to simply ignore the original contents of the core at this point, >and >load something interesting for VCF East, but before I alter it, I'd like to >ask if >anyone has heard of space war running on old HP mini's? > >

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Ultrix Netscape?

by optimus＠canit.se

There has been quite a lot of talk on the NetBSD/pmax list about an elusive version of Netscape for Ultrix. Has anyone ever seen such a beast? All indications I get from a Google search is that there never was an Ultrix port, but people on the list claim otherwise. Any Ultrix gurus around here who know? -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. "Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if Pac Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive music." David McMinn

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digital vax3300

by robwill2＠wxs.nl

Hi, Does anyone know where in the net I can see a picture of this computer?? Thanks, Robert robwill2(a)wxs.nl

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HPUX on HP 9020 (9000 Series 520)

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Wolfgang.Eichberger(a)bps.at wrote: > Hi. I'm searching for some HPUX docs and software for the HP 9020. > I think HPUX 5.? is still running... Yes, it likely would be. What are you trying to discover? Austria is a ways away from where I am, but I have some of the manuals handy and some a little less handy (in storage). There are two or three other people on the list with these systems too. -Frank McConnell

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please help ID a few Apple ][ boards

by CELang＠worldnet.att.net

One looks like a printer card... That Fourth Dinemsion card sure looks familiar. I think a friend had one. I'll ask him when I see him next. Instinct says it's an 80 column card, but I'm really just guessing. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Mike <dogas(a)bellsouth.net> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:16 AM Subject: please help ID a few Apple ][ boards >Hi, > >sorry for the false start... Anyone recognize these guys? (each shot also >has a floppy controller for scale) > >1. card with a buncha empty sockets, one eprom labled 'Tymac Controls Corp' > http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/d/o/dogas/A2cardsb.jpg > >2. Fourth Dimension Board 2 > http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/d/o/dogas/A2cardsc.jpg > >3. SSM Microcomputer APPIC > http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/d/o/dogas/A2cardsd.jpg > >Thanks! >- Mike: dogas(a)bellsouth.net > > > > >

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Ancient VAX software jackpot!

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

I was moving some boxes in the basement tonight and found something that was recently mentioned on the list - TU-58s of VMS 3.2 through VMS 3.5! I also found my 4.2BSD tapes, and at least one System III tape for the 11/780 along with plenty of Ultrix tapes, Ultrix 32M (on RX-50 for MicroVAX-I) and MicroVMS 4.2. The basement is, as one would expect of a midwestern basement, not bone dry. Some of the tapes show traces of white mold on the edges. I will be, therefore, attempting to read these tapes forthwith. My only functioning 1600 bpi tape drive is presently a TU-80. I could go to a friend's house and try to use his SCSI magtape if that made sense. -ethan ===== Visit "The Seventh Continent" http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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RD53 formatter

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 5, 8:52, Doug Carman wrote: > I have a PDP-11/83 with an RQDX3 disk controller and a pair of RD53 > drives from a MicroVAX II. Since all I can get from both drives are I/O > errors, I am left to assume that they were once hooked to an RQDX2 > controller and now need to be re-low-level formatted to work with the > RQDX3. Does anyone know what is required to do this on an 11/83? Was > there an XXDP diagnostic program that did this? If the drives came from a MicroVAX-II it's unlikely they were on an RQDX2. As far as I know, those machines all had RQDX3s. Anyone know differently? RD53's aren't the most reliable of drives, and it may be they really are failing. The TechTips said that there were a lot of problems with errors, especially on RQDX1 and RQDX2 controllers, due to over-long unscreened cables, or early revisions of the M9058 board. You might take a look at the cables and check the voltages at the drives too. Check the version numbers of the ROMs on the RQDX3 as well, early versions had some problems, and IIRC you are supposed to change W23 according to the drive type and RQDX3 revision level. The one in my 11/83 has 23-243E5/23-244E5 ROMs (that's revision 2, there is a later revision in 23-285E5/23-286E5 and the final version was 23-339E5/23-240E5) and W23 is made 1-2 and 3-4. You're right about XXDP. Specifically, XXDP Ver.2 (though XXDP+ should work too) and the program you want for formatting using an RQDX3 is ZRQC??.BIN (the latest version I have is ZRQCH0.BIN). ZRQB??.BIN is the formatter for an RQDX1/2 (ZRQBC0.BIN formats up to an RD53). There's XXDP documentation in both PostScript and PDF formats on my website at http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/public/ Take a look in the /public/DECROMs directory too. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Interphase 4220 Cougar

by dittman＠dittman.net

I have an Interphase 4220 Cougar board. This board has what appears to have two wide SCSI controllers, one of which is on a daughterboard. Does anyone know what kind of bus interface is on this board? There are two connectors, one of which is 3x32 male and the other is the same connector but only the middle 32 pins exist. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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Amiga HDs to .HDF for emulation?

by rachael_＠gmx.net

Hi >Am I missing something obvious, like that the ADF-based tools >will work with hard disks, too? If you downloadet dev-handler.lha from Aminet, it would give you a new device called DEV: , then you could simply do a copy dev:hd0 ntp:foo.hdf . Regards Jacob Dahl Pind -------------------------------------------------- = IF this computer is with us now... = =...It must have been meant to come live with us.= = (Belldandy - Goddess First class) = --------------------------------------------------

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OT Celebration (Not intended to be offensive, possible humor )

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I'd be worrying more about the guy in the White House than the guy in Redmond. > Only the right wingers would tolerate such an imbecile in the oval office. Not > even Schickelgruber, however manipulable he may have been, was that stupid. Now > the Texan Potentate and his sidekick want us all to accept that drilling NWAR > for more oil, the first of which we'll see in about a decade and a half, will > solve this week's energy crisis. Schickelgruber in the White House.... listening to Gas Music from Jupiter, no doubt. Then it's TRUE, they're in EVERYBODYS eggs! <sigh>

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Amiga HDs to .HDF for emulation?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

It's always embarassing for me to have to ask Amiga questions here, but here goes... I'd like to make archival copies of the hard disk partitions in an A2000 and an A4000. I've got network cards and NFS running, so I want to find a tool for the Amiga that will convert a hard disk partition to an .HDF file that will mount under WinUAE. For example, I'd mount my NT machine's P: drive as NTp: on the Amiga, and the utility would write directly to "NTp:foo.hdf". I tried this once before with 'packdev' and no compression, but the results apparently weren't .HDF files and crashed the WinUAE emulator. Am I missing something obvious, like that the ADF-based tools will work with hard disks, too? - John

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How much is a partial Lisa worth?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> When I turn it on, the screen looks good and I can see it going through its > paces. It complains that there is no keyboard. I have no idea how much one > would cost, but I expect it's >$50. > > I do not know how to tell if has been "upgraded" to a Mac/XL or if it is > original. > > What's a good price for most of a Lisa? Too much. I've got a box of parts, from a Widget HD to RAM cards and maybe even a CPU card; two printer cards, etc. Just can't find the "handyman's special" I've been looking for... Regards, -dq

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[pups] adding MSCP driver to 2.9BSD

by sms＠TO.GD-ES.COM

Hi -- I'd normally be posting from my '2bsd.com' account but the circuit failed today and the telco is due out tomorrow (Saturday) morning. > From: "Jonathan Engdahl" <engdahl(a)cle.ab.com> > I took the MSCP disk driver (the ra driver) from the PRO-350 > version of 2.9BSD on the PUPS archive, and added it to the Ah, I didn't know that someone had created a MSCP driver for 2.9 > I have figured out that the autoconfig will not work with this > driver. It reports "No autoconfig routines". Evidently, probe is > not implemented in either the 2.9 or 2.11 version of the MSCP driver. > I don't know about 2.9 but I do know just a little bit about 2.11 and the MSCP (and TMSCP) drivers 'probe' and "autoconfig" just fine. In fact in 2.11 floating vectors are allocated descending from 01000 and programmed into the adaptor for secondary controllers (the primary/first/boot controller always gets 0154). > So, how to I get UNIX to "attach" the ra driver? When you updated the kernel did you also update the 'autoconfig' process? In 2.11 there is /sys/autoconfig and whenever a new device driver is added to the kernel it is also necessary to update the autoconfig code with a 'XXauto.c" file and an entry in a couple tables. As I recall on 2.9 the autoconf stuff was intermingled with the regular driver sources which made for a bit of a mess. When 2.11 came around the chance was taken to clean things up. Programmable vector devices (such as MSCP) are a VERY awkward thing for 'autoconfig' to deal with. Prior to 2.11 the vectors were more or less hardcoded in 'l.s' (or was it scb.s or locore.s - gads my memory is slipping) and the driver. 'autoconfig' was mostly a double check that a device was really present. 2.11 has the kernel hooks for 'autoconfig' to request a dynamically allocated vector which can be assigned to a device - bit of a hack but fairly elegantly done. > This is the first time I've tried doing a UNIX sysgen, so extra > explanations might be required. The only documentation I have is > what I downloaded along with the distribution. Look in /sys/pdpuba and see if you can find the '*auto.c' files - follow their lead and craft something for 'autoconfig'. The simplest case is to just "check that something exists" at the CSR and return 'true' - don't try to force an interrupt, etc. Perhaps some other folks who have run 2.9 more recently (or who have better memory than I do ;)) can jump in here. Steven Schultz sms(a)moe.2bsd.com (when the circuit gets fixed ;))

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OT Celebration (Not intended to be offensive, possible humor)

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

>I for one don't have a problem with that but it would be easy (prehaps too >easy) for the system to be abused or be modified to be invasive to law >abiding citizens. Exactly. LEOs are people too, and a percentage of them are bad people. Some are good people doing things badly. Consider the Santa Cruz police department illegally scanning all cellular phone traffic in a area where they believed protest organizers _might_ be using cell phones to co-ordinate. Never mind that you need a court order to listen in on someone's phone call. Ref: San Jose Mercury news. If you believe an honest citizen (or police officer) is someone who hasn't yet had a big enough temptation to become a criminal, then opening up a free candy store (as things like Carnivore are) in front of them is just plain bad policy. --Chuck

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OT Celebration (Not intended to be offensive, possible humor)

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> wrote (after Richard Erlacher): > Interesting concept about capital punishment for trivial crimes. Would > that also be the punishment for failing to adequately trim quotes? When > do we start? Shortly after we have successful implementation of a universal requirement for authentication of e-mail senders. (Don't hold your breath.) -Frank McConnell

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4th of July Hypocricy (was: OT Celebration)

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

> > You'd like it here in Florida. Fireworks have made a real come >back. I was outside on the 3rd and 4th and fireworks were popping off in >every direction all day and all night long. It's still technically illegal >to shoot them but it's seldom enforced now. Around this time of year and >on January 1, every major intersection has a large stand selling fireworks. >Most of them are the wimpy class C stuff but they make up for it in shear >volume. There are even a number of stores that sell nothing but fireworks >that are now open year round. I stopped at one at I-95 and SR 520 and >stocked up the week before. I think the state law here in Florida is that you cannot ignite any fireworks other than class "C" without a permit and permits are only given to professional pyromaniacs. Basically, that leaves sparklers and smoke bombs the only legal devices that individuals can display. However... In Broward County where I live, if you are over 18 and sign a waiver stating that you will not ignite them within the state, you can legally buy whatever kind of fireworks that you want. Cherry bombs, m-80s, arial displays (mortars), bottle rockets, roman candles, you name it. The sheriff will routinely check the vendors to make sure they are complying but once you leave the store, all bets are off. There is absolutely no enforcement of the restrictions on individuals. My ears are still ringing and I'm still choking from all the smoke. SteveRob _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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please help ID a few Apple ][ boards

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 6, 10:54, Mike wrote: > 3. SSM Microcomputer APPIC > http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/d/o/dogas/A2cardsd.jpg Not sure about the others (though A2cardsc.jpg looks familiar) but this one is an Apple Parallel Printer Interface Card, for an Epson or Centronics printer. Put it in slot 1 and type PR#1 to print. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Ancient LaserJet-3 question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 5, 19:20, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > --- Lawrence LeMay <lemay(a)cs.umn.edu> wrote: > > I don't suppose it uses a MIO card? > > > > -Lawrence LeMay > > > > > Does anyone out there have a 10BaseT card they can't use > > How could I tell? The LJIII cards are the size of my hand with a centered > set of edge card fingers on on short end. They are 1/2 the size of LJ4 > cards. I thought the cards were the same, but the LJ4 has an extra blanking plate? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Space War?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Are there any ports of SPACEWAR to the Mac or PC that are > completely true to the original? To add a little more detail to Tom Uban's reply, the version of Spacewar you get from the website url he listed is the *actual* *original* binary executable of the Spacewar program. It runs on an emulated PDP-1 that's written in Java and which gets downloaded to your PC or Mac when you go to the web page. So, the Spacewar *program* is as close to the original as possible, since it *is* the original. The real question to ask, is how close to a real PDP-1 does the emulator come? Regards, -doug q

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Ebay: Heathkit IT-21 Tube Checker

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1614357896

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DSD 4140 Qbus floppy controller

by michael_davidson＠pacbell.net

While searching through my collection of old Qbus cards I just discovered that I have a DSD 4140, which appears to be an RX02 compatible interface to Shugart SA800 or SA850 drives. The only documentation that I have is a small reference card which has the jumper configuration and a summary of the commands (from which it appears that the controller also supports formatting drives with a write sector command followed by a couple of magic values written to the data register). Does anyone have any more information / documentation for this controller? Since I don't have any 8" Shugart interface drives available I'm probably going to have to hook this thing up to a 5.25" or a 3.5" drive in order to try it out. I seem to recall that constructing a suitable 50 way to 34 way cable adaptor is relatively simple, but again I would appreciate references or more information from anyone who has done this kind of thing recently. Michael

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Amiga question

by gareth.knight＠btinternet.com

Ethan wrote: <You know why that is? C= Engineering had it all laid- out and finished, then some suit (the LBF?) told them to re-do it to use up the orphaned PC cases they had stacks and stacks of.> That is a slight exageration. C= Engineering had some prototype motherboard designs but it wasn't near to a finished layout. The A4000 case was originally designed for one of the A1000+ configurations. Commodore management decided to salvage part of this development by using the case in their AGA 'big box' Amiga. Kind Regards, Gareth Knight

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Amiga question

by gareth.knight＠btinternet.com

Jeff wrote: <I'm sure Iggy or Gareth will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the A530 uses the proprietary GVP SIMMs that were only used in GVP items.> Correct. The accelerator used GVP 64 pin SIMMS. It can use two 1 Meg SIMM32's, or two 4 Meg SIMM32's. However, it is not possible to mix different sized SIMMs. Gareth Knight

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Space War?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I thought the first game was AD on early CDCs and later on IBM S/36s? > Nope... in fact, Adventure was a relative late-comer, as Star Trek crept out of the DEC facility in Maynard, MA, and spread across the academic computing landscape in 1967. Adventure was written in 1970. -dq

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Micro Cornucopia auction

by paul＠orchard.wccnet.org

Because of the interest, I have decided to hold a sealed bid auction for the complete set of Micro Cornucopia magazines. Every issue from #1 (July 1981, 16 pages) to #53 (May 1990, 96 pages) is here. The subheading started out "Journal of the Big Board Users", changed with #7 to "The Single Board Systems Journal", and finally changed with #23 to "The Micro Technical Journal". Topics covered included software--BASIC, Pascal, C, Forth, Smalltalk, Prolog, Wordstar, dBase II, CP/M, MS-DOS, and much more--and hardware--memory upgrades, EPROM erasers, a logic analyzer, video circuitry, even a complete Nat Semi 32000 chip set computer with circuit diagrams. The early issues have almost exclusively Big Board, CP/M, and Z80 content. The final issues have almost exclusively MS-DOS PC content. In the middle there is an incredible variety of hard-core technical articles. Almost all the issues are perfect. The early issues I purchased as back issues so they do not even have mailing labels on them. Issue 21, December-January 1985, has "Sample for Microsystems Readers" printed in red on the front; Micro Cornucopia was trying to pick up subscribers from Sol Libes' magazine that folded. That was my first issue and every issue >from #21 on has mailing labels on them. Issue 29 is damaged; it appears that this one was on the end of a bundle--the cover is scuffed and there are small tears at the top and bottom from the binding strap. End of auction is Friday 6 July 2001 at 8pm. Send bids to paul(a)wccnet.org. Highest bidder wins (duh!). Payment is by check or money order and must be received within 30 days (6 August) of auction end. Shipping costs are IN ADDITION to the bid amount. I can ship via US Mail or UPS. The magazines weigh about 24 pounds and would cost about $9 to ship USPS Media Mail without insurance. Shipping is from Monroe, Michigan 48161. No shipping charges if you pick it up, of course. Paul R. Santa-Maria Monroe, Michigan USA paul(a)wccnet.org

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Apple Disk II PROMs

by philpem＠btinternet.com

Hi, I'm currently building a simple 6502-based computer trainer and I'd like to implement a floppy drive on it. Steve Wozniak's Apple Disk II interface (the FDD interface for the Apple II) is quite simple, but I need the data that was programmed into the PROMs (P5 and P6 - they're 6309s). If I'm interpreting the Apple Disk II schematics correctly, then the part designations are D3 and B3 (for the P5 and P6 ROM, respectively). Ideally, I'd also like a copy of the PROM data for the later revision of the Disk II (P5A and P6A). I've got some info on programming the Disk II, but without the PROM data, I can't even get the interface running! Thanks. -- Phil. http://www.philpem.f9.co.uk/ philpem(a)bigfoot.com

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DOD 3.30 Question

by CELang＠worldnet.att.net

When I got my Packard Bell '286 back when it was new, I got three diskettes: DOS 3.3, disk 1 DOS 3.3, disk 2 GWBASIC 3.2 BTW, hello. I still haven't seen my intro message yet. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Gene Ehrich <gehrich(a)tampabay.rr.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:01 PM Subject: DOD 3.30 Question >I have a set of DOS 3.30 disks which comprise the following: > >1. startup disk, >2. operating disk >3. missing >4. help disk. > >Can anybody tell me what should be on the missing disk 3 and what will >happen if I try to install it? > >Thanx > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ > >gene(a)ehrich.com >gehrich(a)tampabay.rr.com >P.O. Box 3365 Spring Hill Florida 34611-3365 > >http://www.voicenet.com/~generic >Computer & Video Game Garage Sale > > > > > >

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FS/T: IBM AS/400 9402 D02

by owad＠applefritter.com

IBM AS/400 9402 D02 Two hard drives, tape drive, a covered board that I presume is the motherboard. Looks complete to me, but I don't have much to compare it to. I haven't tried to run it and have no idea if it works. The blue ribbon across the top is a little rough; the computer is mildly marked, but not in especially bad condition. FS/T. Can be picked up in south-central PA or at VCF East. I'm not looking for much, just want to get rid of it. Tom P.S. Regarding the System 36 in my previous post, I also have a couple Sys 36 manuals, not originally with that particular 36, which I'll include. Applefritter www.applefritter.com

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RD53 formatter

by hofmanwb＠worldonline.nl

Doug, Run ZRQCH0 under XXDP(+?) to format the RD's. If your 11/83 has a serial line at 176500/300 you can even load XXDP from a PC emulating a TU58. I routinely do this. Wim ---------- > From: Doug Carman <pdp11(a)bellsouth.net> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: RD53 formatter > Date: Thursday, July 05, 2001 2:52 PM > > I have a PDP-11/83 with an RQDX3 disk controller and a pair of RD53 > drives from a MicroVAX II. Since all I can get from both drives are I/O > errors, I am left to assume that they were once hooked to an RQDX2 > controller and now need to be re-low-level formatted to work with the > RQDX3. Does anyone know what is required to do this on an 11/83? Was > there an XXDP diagnostic program that did this? > > Thanks. > > -- > Doug Carman > pdp11(a)bellsouth.net >

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RD53 formatter

by pdp11＠bellsouth.net

I have a PDP-11/83 with an RQDX3 disk controller and a pair of RD53 drives from a MicroVAX II. Since all I can get from both drives are I/O errors, I am left to assume that they were once hooked to an RQDX2 controller and now need to be re-low-level formatted to work with the RQDX3. Does anyone know what is required to do this on an 11/83? Was there an XXDP diagnostic program that did this? Thanks. -- Doug Carman pdp11(a)bellsouth.net

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AY-3-8910

by optimus＠canit.se

Upon reading http://www.breezer.demon.co.uk/spec/tech/ay-3-8912.html, I encountered the following: --- The AY-3-8910/8912 (and derivatives) has found its way into a variety of home computers and games consoles including the following: Sinclair ZX Spectrum 128/+2/+3 Amstrad CPC 464/664/6128 Mattel Intellivision BBC Micro Atari ST Sega Master System --- Well, it's true WRT the Speccy, the Ammy (I suppose you can't say that =) and the ST, but didn't we establish a while back that the BBC and Master System chip, the SN76489, while superficially similar, was a different construction. And as for the Intellivision, perhaps is it just due to the limited system in general, lack of space, or perhaps a slow driving clock, but with the sub- mediocre sound of the INTV, it seems like such a waste to employ a more adanced sound generator such as the AY, -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.

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Floppy woes ...

by mbbrutman＠bresnanlink.net

Thank you everybody for the suggestions. Here is how things finally shook out. The Pentium machine had a real, 360KB drive in it borrowed from a PCjr. (I had stated that in the original note.) Formatting issues between 1.2MB drives and 360KB drives were not part of the equation. I tried formating the diskettes (double density, double sided) in both the 360KB drive on the Pentium and the 360KB drive in the PCjr. This did not seem to make a difference. Diskettes formatted and written by the Pentium machine were usually unreadable in the PCjr. In a few tests they were also unreadable in a second PCjr. Sometimes I could get a directory or copy a file, but usually I was getting the familiar "Abort, Retry, Ignore." A diskette "refresh" utility was reporting lots of read errors on sectors, some recoverable and some not. Diskettes written by the Jr were readable on the Pentium. Old diskettes written years ago were readable everywhere. (These were written by yet a different drive.) I deduced that since the Pentium 360KB drive was writing the diskettes and two PCjrs couldn't read them, that it must be the Pentium 360KB drive causing the problems. So I swapped it out and put a 1.2MB drive in it's place. I know about the head width problems, but would you believe that one of the Jrs was able to read diskettes created on the 1.2MB drive? To make a long story short, the 360KB drive in the Pentium was ok, the 1.2MB drive can write 360KB diskettes that are readable on the PCjr, and one of the PCjr drives is flakey. I think I was unlucky in my early testing when both Jrs balked at the diskettes created on the Pentium. One of the Jrs drives is know known to be bad, one is confirmed good, and the 360KB drive on the Pentium is good, yet a diskette created on the Pentium caused read errors on both Jrs, which led me to suspect the wrong drive. I've not been able to reproduce that error again. Now for the bad drive ... If I clean the rails with alcohol and lube them with silicone spray, it does a slightly better job of reading foreign (i.e.: not its own) diskettes. Based on this, methinks that the head is not being positioned exactly where it should be. However, those rails are pretty clean now and the problems persist. It's an old Qume drive, 1/2 height. I'm saving the drive for now, but a flakey 5.25 inch drive isn't of much use. And I've also learned that DOS 2.1 does NOT tolerate diskette errors during the boot process. :-)

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FS/T: IBM 5363 II

by owad＠applefritter.com

Pick up in south-central PA or at VCF East. IBM 5363 II In very nice condition and working when decomissioned; it spent all its life in the server room. I'm pretty certain it hasn't been opened or changed by anybody, so its probably original specs, but I don't have the time or interest to power it up and check. It has a 5.25" drive and a tape drive. IBM 9331 012 5.25" drive. It appears to have all the cables with it. two IBM 4869 5.25" drives. These appear to have all the cables with them. two IBM 5394-01B units. I'm not sure what these are, but they have built in 3.5" drives. two IBM terminals, P/N 83X7939. They have DB25 connectors and no keyboards; I'm not sure I have the cables to hook them up. If these are incorrect or more pieces are needed, I _might_ be able to get the proper terminals. Two Universal Data Systems V.32 modems with very impressive cables. Two cards that appear new in box, labeled P/N 7363223, in IBM labeld boxes. They almost look like PCI cards. I haven't the foggiest what they are or what they go to. The tape I offered free earlier this week and which nobody claimed fits in the IBM's tape drive, so it's included, too. I'd like to get rid of the stuff as one lot, but I'll sell just peripherals provided there's somebody interested in the 5363. Cash preferred, but I'll consider a trade. I have no idea what a 5363 II is worth, so go ahead and make an offer. Stuff I'd be willing to trade for: Apple & Mac clones Interesting Apple stuff PERQ/Alto/Star Canon Cat/Swyft Nutek One/Duet NeXT cube Apple II (plain II) LEGO stuff (be it electronic or just bricks) Note that "interesting Apple stuff" is an awfully broad category. Neat Apple II cards are good. Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

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OT: RE: 4th of July Hypocricy

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Unfortunately, there's a guy here in Chicago who took a bullet through his skull last night: he was standing on his back porch while some people down the alley were celebrating by firing off guns and fireworks. He's not dead (yet), but definitely not in good shape. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Ford [mailto:mikeford@socal.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 7:38 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: 4th of July Hypocricy (was: OT Celebration) <snip> Everybody with a gun would fire off a few patriotic rounds too. <snip>

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Looking for Vance Dereksen/Shridar Ayengar (OT, sorry)

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

I hate to put this on the list but I am unable to get Sridhar Ayengar (Vance Dereksen) concerning some books he wanted. I need to hear from him in the next few days or another buyer/recipient/etc will be found. Peace...and write me...

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Olivetti Collectors around ?

by stefan＠softhome.net

Hi, I was wondering if there are any Olivetti collectors around. Since I have quite a few manuals in the well known Olivetti plastic boxes double I'd like to swap for anything else. Also I have like 6 crates full of parts that came out of Olivetti machines that were made in the '70's. Let me know if you are interested. cya, Stefan. http://www.oldcomputercollection.com

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4th of July Hypocricy (was: OT Celebration)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 4, Carlos Murillo wrote: > > Yes, fighting Darwin all the way. I HATE that. Protect and coddle > >the stupid so they can annoy the hell out of the rest of us, and > >dilute the GOOD genes in the process. ARGH! > > C'mon, Dave, I am sure that you realize that Darwin's idea of evolution > has not been valid for our species for several millenia now... I can hope, can't I? -Dave McGuire

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More free stuff from Michigan (PC based)

by fernande＠internet1.net

Hello, I've got some time off from work, so I am trying to clean up and sort through stuff. I know I already owe a few of you some boards.... I'll be getting to them shortly. Please respond directly to me at fernande(a)internet1.net ....this is going to two groups! Here's the new list: -2400bps external Supra Modem -Microchannel IDE adapter (Arco Electronics) -STB video card, Tseng based, ISA MVP2X, dual head -SMC Arcnet card, Microchannel -Winchester drive controller.. RLL I think, 16-bit ISA -MiniScribe RLL hard disks, Model 8425 ...2 of them -Applesoft ][ Basic Programming Reference manual -10 3M 8" floppy disks, I don't know if they are soft of hard sectored, they are marked SS, SD, R ...they are in a plstic case and are new. I bought them several years ago, as a novelty from a store going out of business. -uSpeed Fast 88, "Made in the USA and we are proud of it", I don't even know what it is... it is on a piece of angled aluminum with a small PCB, and has 4 chips along with some resistors and 4 clock crystal looking dealies. Is connects to an XT usinf a 20 connductor ribbon cable that goes to a dip socket on the MB.... wierd huh? If you what it is.... PLEASE tell me :-) -Adaptec 2742W EISA Wide SCSI card WITHOUT the slot cover.... I don't know why someone would remove it, but they did :-( I bought a generic one, but it isn't in the right postion :-( -2 Microchannel game port cards by Suncom, I bought them on Ebay, but they don't seem to work with my Reply planer. They are odd, in that the machine doen't ask for an ADF, and there is none provided. -IBM Model 9577, Bermuda Planer, nice condition, both 3.5" and 5.25" floppies, memory is probably around 24megs, has a 4xxmeg HD, has an XGA2 card -the dumb TI PC (Texas Instruments Professional Computer) that I keep on trying to give away, no keyboard or OS, and they are custom. Well, thats all for now :-) Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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Floppy woes ...

by mbbrutman＠bresnanlink.net

I'm getting close to my wits end ... I embarked on a project to catalog and archive all of the 5.25 inch floppies that I used on my PCjr. For archiving floppies I decided to use savedskf and loaddskf (IBM utils), which run under DOS and OS/2. I used a Pentium class machine with a true 360KB diskette drive in the machine. I specified to savedskf that I wanted raw, uncompressed binary images of the diskettes. (The raw binary images are exactly size of the diskettes (360KB), and are exactly the same as images created using Linux's 'dd' command, so I know that they are really raw binary images.) All of the diskettes (150+) read fine, and are now sitting as files on my hard drive. I decided to do some spot checking of the diskette images, so I created new diskettes from the images. First problem: loaddskf will NOT write my 360KB images to a real 360KB diskette drive. It complains about an unsupported drive type. If I let savedskf write it's meta data and do compression, then loaddskf will work. However, I want raw binary images for compatibility with Linux 'dd. I can get around it; there are lots of programs that can write the raw diskette images. (fdwrite, fdimage, rawrite) However, I am completely annoyed. Second problem: I have two PCjrs for testing, and neither of the two can read the diskettes created on my big machine. The diskettes are being created using a real 360KB diskette drive, yet they are barely readable in the two PCjrs. (They are usually completely unreadable.) I'm going to swap the 360KB diskette drive out of the Pentium class machine and put another one there. Hopefully that drive is out of alignment or the belts are loose, and that is why the other two PCjrs can't read diskettes created on it. Question 1: What the heck is up with loaddskf? Has anybody run into problems with it when dealing with raw binary images? It's supposed to work ... :-) Question 2: Is there diagnostic software for determing the alignment and RPMs of a diskette drive? I vagely remember CopyIIPC telling me the rotational speed of the diskette drive as it copied ... is there a diagnostic program that can do this? Question 3: What can I do to improve the chances of these diskettes being interchangeable between systems? I've cleaned the drive heads with a Q-Tip and isopropyl alcohol. I've also cleaned the drive rails to ensure that the head can move smoothly. Neither have helped. Thanks, Mike

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HP2748A papertape reader : connector ?

by jos.mar＠bluewin.ch

A recent dumpster dive yielded a HP2748A papertape reader. Does anyone have the interface spec's for this device handy ? Left in the dumpster were : a Facit 4070 punch, a hp(8900?) diskdrive with power supply. The disk, vintage early to mid seventies, really should be saved but since I do not have a fitting computer.... (Location Zurich , Switzerland ) Jos Dreesen

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Canon CAT

by r.stek＠snet.net

I'm a little late in jumping in this thread, but I get the digest version of the list and don't always see things immediately. I, too, have a near mint Canon Cat in original box with manuals - two manuals for the Cat and one for its daisy-wheel printer (which I do not have). I would be happy to loan the documents to any list member to copy (or better yet to make PDF files). I'd make PDF files myself, but I am already behind in promised Sol docs for Jim Battle. I realize that not many of these were made (about 20,000 IIRC), but I wasn't aware of its "collectability quotient." Anyone with an extra Altair want to trade? <g> Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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Win3.1 DDK

by rcini＠optonline.net

I'm looking for a copy of the Windows 3.1 Device Driver Kit so that I can get the debug symbols for use with Sourcer for some spleunking that I'm doing. I have the SDK, but not the DDK. Contact me off-list if someone has it. Thanks again. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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Questions on VCF East.

by vcf＠siconic.com

On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Bob Shannon wrote: > Ok, maybe I can drag something to the show... Great! > A few questions... > > If I want to exhibit a pre-1970 mini, what exactly do I need to do? > Most of the info I found on the web site appeared to describe vendor > tables. You're looking so hard that you missed the link on the VCF East page that says "Exhibit": http://www.vintage.org/2001/east/exhibit.php3 > Are exhibit tables the same price, etc? You only need to pay for a regular admission to the event. > Is it too late to exhibit something? Not at all! But I must receive exhibit registrations by July 15th (I'll let them eek by until the 20th). > I can can fit a working HP2114A in my Miata if I had to... Bring it! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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DEC PDPs and Music/Sound Synthesis and DEC Humor Files

by rdd＠smart.net

Greetings, Last night I discovered that my DEC PDPs and Music/Sound Synthesis Summary was inaccessable. If anyone's interested, this, and quite a few DEC-related humor files, can be found on my web site from: www.rddavis.org/rdd/PDP.html -- Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd(a)rddavis.net 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.net beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.

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2 awesome days of awesome finds!

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Well, I haven't had a chance to call the other place yet.... But the blinkenlights minis I have are a DG Nova 1210, 2 DG Eclipse S230's, DEC PDP-8/i, HP 1000-E, 2 Interdata 7/32's (soon to be one, as one is being traded), 2 TI 990/5's, and a Varian 620-L/100... Now I suppose I need to find a Modcomp, a Microdata, a CDC, a Prime, a Basic Four, a Bytronix, a Keronix, a Univac, a Cincinatti Milacron, a ROLM, and other manufacturers I can't remember.. I'm trying to have as many manufacturers represented as possible : ) Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Back from the fleamarket

by optimus＠canit.se

I went on a shopping spree at the fleamarket today (well... =). First I picked up a SyQuest 88, mainly for the nice PowerUser case. Then I found an Atari mouse, and as horrible as they are (the only mice which are worse are the old IBM models), it would be nice to have at least one functioning original mouse. Then I went to Bruno, who had a whole lot of junk, as always. Amongst others, he had ISA accelerators - one Microsoft Mach-20 (No, M$ are not a hardware company, of course...) 286 accelerator and another 386 one. I bought a Kingston MCA 386 memory expansion and some odd Novell card, which leads us on to the questions: The card I bought is made by Novell, and has got the serial number 89935 and the application number 5657. Those numbers are noted with a marker pen. The words "BOARD 738-61-001 REV B" are screened onto the board. The board itself is a small eight-bit ISA card without any connectors (save for the ISA card- edge, of course). The construction is quite simple, consisting of four 74LS chips (one 7407N and three 74LS244N), a PAL, an AMD AM25LS2521PCB (another 74LS chip?) and a big gob of glue which conceals another chip. That's it, apart from some discrete components. Bruno told me that it's some kind of diagnostics card, but not exactly what kind of diagnostics card. Then he had a KA410-A board, which my research tells me is either a ?VAX 2000 or a VAXstation 2000. It's just a card and nothing else, though. I don't suppose it's really feasible to construct a working system out of it? My friend bought it for the SCSI chip, which he intends to use in order to repair a Supra Amiga SCSI controller. He also had a lot of Ungermann-Bass boards. They had some kind of VME-look-a- like DIN connector in the middle of one edge as well as some resembling D-sub connectors, all intended to plug into a back plane of some kind. They used a plethora of processors, both Motorola m68k, i80186 and i960. I finally bought a Datapulse 106A pulse generator, mainly due to its low price and the nice case (nineteen inch carry case with leather handles =). BTW, what's a Xerox FLEX? It's a small box with two centronics ports, a miniscule "parallel port" (so the label says) and a BNC connector. I also found a Zenith Z-station 235Sn, which looked like some kind of pizza box workstation, but I couldn't pry it open. What is it? -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. G? med i SUGA, Swedish Usergroup of Amiga! WWW: http://swedish.usergroup.amiga.tm/ BBS: 08-6582572, telnet://sua.ath.cx:42512

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Data General Eclipse Recently Sold on E-Bay

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Hey... Does anyone know if the "mldrew" (who had the winning $250.00 bid for that really pretty Eclipse sold on E-Bay a couple of weeks ago) is a list member or not? MLDREW, are you here? -dq

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Free Epson JX-80 Color Printer

by ljmahar＠cfl.rr.com

Free Epson JX-80 Color Printer for the cost of shipping from Satellite Beach, FL. You may contact me at ljmahar(a)cfl.rr.com.

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MicroVAX/VAXstation 2000 (was Re: Back from the fleamarket)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 3, 19:56, Jay West wrote: > > Doh! (to quote the new OED) That should read "RS-423" In any case, it > > isn't incompatible with RS-232. RS423 (actually, EIA423) was designed as a compatible replacement for RS232. > > > So, is there always an RS-323 console on the DB25? > > I'm going from foggy memory here - but isn't the only difference between > RS232 and RS423 the voltage levels? I think RS232 is something like 0-12 > volts and RS423 is 0-5 volts or something like that. As a result, it becomes > a question of tolerances in the circuit. If I recall, on the General > Automation Zebra Pick machines, they had RS423 ports, and we hooked up RS232 > devices to them all the time. Almost never did we find an RS232 device that > wouldn't work on the RS423 ports. Vague memory here. Almost any RS232 device should interoperate with almost any RS423 device. RS423 uses +/3.6V - +/-6V (IIRC) and usually operates at around +/-5V, instead of RS232's +/-5V to +/-15V, commonly operated at +/-12V. Also RS423 controls the slew rate in order to get faster signals further. It's also specified to be capable of driving several receivers (RS422 is a similar system but with differential drivers/receivers to go even faster/further). Unlike RS232, it's purely an electrical standard, intended to be used in conjunction with other standards (to get bidirectional interfaces, pinout definitions, etc). Oh, and in theory, it uses balanced receivers, such that the ground reference for the receiver is the same ground reference used for the driver; in other words the reciever signal ground pin is grounded at the transmitting end of the cable only. I've never had a problem mixing RS232 and RS423. The only possible problem I can think of is that some RS423 receiver chips are only rated for 10V inputs, but I've never damaged anything. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Free: Quarter Inch Cartridge/Tape DC6150

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 7/3/2001 11:44:41 AM Central Daylight Time, owad(a)applefritter.com writes: << Citadel Quarter Inch Cartridge, DC6150, 620ft, 150MB. In plastic case and looks practically new. I don't know what it's for and I don't want it. Cost of shipping. >> I don't need it, but it works in the IBM 6157 tape drive.

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commodore 2500 in Kansas City

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Looks just like the one on this webpage except the one I saw has "Commodore 2500" on the lower left corner of the face. http://amiga.emugaming.com/a2500.html Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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Free: Quarter Inch Cartridge/Tape DC6150

by owad＠applefritter.com

Citadel Quarter Inch Cartridge, DC6150, 620ft, 150MB. In plastic case and looks practically new. I don't know what it's for and I don't want it. Cost of shipping. Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

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Whats a reasonable collection?

by mjsnodgr＠rockwellcollins.com

Chad, I've already gotten one offer for an EISA SCSI controller, but... if you'd still be willing to part with one of those Adaptecs, I do have another machine I could put a SCSI controller. (I really didn't think that so many people would be willing to part with a controller that I've had so much trouble finding. <grin> I must be looking in the wrong areas.) I can send you a money order for S/H + whatever you wanted for the controller. Micah Snodgrass 2054 Sisley Grove Rd. Palo, Ia. 52324 Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net>@classiccmp.org on 06/29/2001 12:24:42 PM Please respond to classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Sent by: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org, mjsnodgr(a)rockwellcollins.com cc: Subject: Re: Whats a reasonable collection? What is the brand is it? Is it Wide or narrow? What do you need in the way of an EISA SCSI board? I have a couple 174x series from Adaptec that aren't doing anything. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA mjsnodgr(a)rockwellcollins.com wrote: > > I've got a MCA SCSI controller that I'm not using. It came to me in a box > of MCA and EISA stuff and was working when it was pulled from it's machine. > I was hoping to get an EISA SCSI controller.. Hmmm... if anyone in > interested in a swap.... > > - Micah S.

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