- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

The latest addition includes three DECstation 5000/2xx's, one each of /200, /240, & /260. Also included was two expansion boxes with two RZ58's, a TZK12 1/4 tape drive, & a RRD42 CDROM drive. Also got a TK50Z-GA, and a couple 90TL DECservers. One machine is loaded memory wise, 288 mb. Another has a couple extra Turbochannel cards. The first is the TCE Option Module. The second is an AV01B. It has 60 pin mini-D and two 4 pin RJ connectors. Some digging revealed it is an "DECaudio card and distribution box (LOFI)". Anybody know anything beyond that? Also got a DEC PC. It is a Venturis, 486/66. It came with a mono VGA monitor. Looking over the mainboard, I found where the pins would go if it had a color option, and there is a place to surface mount what I assume is the additional memory for the color option. Also got two boxes of manuals, and a box of original DEC software tapes. The tapes include two versions of Ultrix and the tape for the 90TL. The box of keyboards contained 9 DEC keyboards, mostly LK201. If this keeps up, I going to have to buy one of those small storage sheds just to store the extra keyboards that seem to keep wandering in. No doubt about it, I got a case of 'mental DECay', and I got it bad. Mike

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BBC Micro

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

Nice to see such interest in the BBC - I keep forgetting it's not very common outside of the UK. I've got a couple of spare BBC Masters up for swaps if anyone's interested? I'm looking for Xerox technical manuals (see list), software, even hardware if the shipping's not too prohibitive :-) The machines I've got don't have any documentation or software (although you can still buy new Master manuals from 8BS and download whatever you need >from all over the net) - they both have a sticky key or two and could probably do with a makeover. I did a first pass at cleaning them up when I got them but haven't spent as much time on them as I could ("my" Beeb gets most of the attention!). If you're not familiar with the Master, it was the follow-on from the Model B and Model B+. Basically the same hardware as the B/B+ with 128K RAM (paged) and a 6510 in place of the 6502, housed in a bigger case with "enhanced" keyboard (ie a keypad) and a couple of cartridge sockets. All the I/O ports of the B/B+ were retained (disk, RS423, 1MMz Bus, "Tube" etc), and they added a couple of popular application ROMs (View and ViewSheet) as well as the ADFS and DFS filing system ROMs as standard (you had to buy these yourself on the earlier B/B+ machines). For us hackers they added a terminal emulator, upgraded BASIC (BASIC IV) and upgraded assembler, very nice! Anyhow, if you're interested in swapping, I'm looking for the following Xerox manuals: XDE 12.0 Users Guide (or later) Mesa Language Manual (11.0 or later) Mesa Programmers Manual ViewPoint Programmers Manual Pilot Programmers Manual Basic Workstation Programmers Manual Services Programmers Manuals Either hardcopy or original VP softcopy is fine :-) If you've got something I've missed off the list I might be interested, drop me a line. Cheers Al

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Update: Re: MicroVAX equipment6

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

Eric Dittman wrote: > I didn't think the DEMSA would route DECnet; will > a DESNB? The DEMSA was sold as (at least): DECrouter 2000 - Phase IV DECnet router X25 Router 2000 - Phase IV X.25 and DECnet router WANrouter 500 - Phase V (OSI) DECnet router X25gateway 500 - Phase V (OSI) X.25 gateway (no decnet routing) (It's been a long time, so names and numbers are only approximate ...!) There were also variants with different numbers to run on the single port hardware (DEMSB). So there was (IIRC) an X25gateway 100 for the DEMSB. It could also run SNA software but I had nothing to do with that. The original SNA software would have been for a Phase IV environent. There may have been a later version for a Phase V environment but I don't think there would have been a need for that. The DESNB was a MicroVAX 3600 with some sort of IBM channel connect. Basically a DEMSA with a big pipe into the IBM box. AFAIK the only software that ran on this was the SNA software. Antonio arcarlini(a)iee.org

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classiccmp list archive, digest changes, and a free offer

by west＠tseinc.com

Greetings! Several changes people have been asking about... here's the status.... 1) The classiccmp mailing list archives at www.classiccmp.org are now reworked and up to date. We are still using hypermail which takes the mailing list traffic and automagically creates the website, organized by year, month, thread, etc. etc. A background process is *STILL* running to populate the rest of year 1999 (other years, including 2000, are already done) but it should be done in an hour or two perhaps (theres a LOT of mail to process in portions of that year). There is a month or two missing, but those months are actually missing from the raw datafiles. I assume that the list was not functioning during those times (before [and perhaps while] it was being moved to my servers). 2) The hypermail task has been set up as a cron job to keep the mailing list archives at www.classiccmp.org up to date without operator intervention. Because the mailing list is hosted by a server sitting right next to the classiccmp webserver, updates to the archive will be especially fast. 3) Previously, digest subscribers could get multiple digests per day if the size of the digest was large (ie. it could be split into multiple emails if the size went over a threshold). Due to popular request, that is no longer the case. The digest will now send only one email per day to digest subscribers no matter what the size. 4) Several people have asked - I don't have their email addresses here... so once again - publicly, to subscribe or unsubscribe send an email to majordomo(a)classiccmp.org. Any list traffic should go to classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org. When subscribing you tell it which list you want to subscribe to, either the normal list or the digest list. Hope this gets everything in order. Once again, I will gladly host any website, ftpsite, mailinglist, etc. that has to do with classic computers at no charge - unlimited traffic, unlimited storage, no fees of any kind. I am currently connected to 5 major backbones via 100mb ethernet (and offer local dialup in over 152 US cities [shameless plug]), so the transfer speeds should be acceptable. The only thing I ask is that if the disk storage requirements are unusually large (say, greater than 10gb) that you buy your own hard drive and ship it to me. I'll mount it in one of our servers and the drive will still belong to you and be dedicated to your use only. If you decide to move, you get the drive back of course. I'll do this for free, I feel it's something I can give back to the folks on the list for all the endless advice I've gotten out of it. Ok, if a few RK05's and 7900A disc drives show up anonymously, I won't complain either <grin, just kidding>. It would be nice if we could get a lot of subsites under the www.classiccmp.org site, sort of like a portal. At the very least we need some links to classiccmp sites there. Anyone care to throw together a main page for this (I'm not an html person, and our webdevelopment staff is working overtime already)? Then all the subsites that folks host on my server could be at www.classiccmp.org/mydecstuff and www.classiccmp.org/hprules for example. Of course, if you want your own domain name that's fine too. Regards! Jay West

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HPUX on HP 9020 (9000 Series 520)

by Wolfgang.Eichberger＠bps.at

Hi. I'm searching for some HPUX docs and software for the HP 9020. I think HPUX 5.? is still running... Thanx, Wolfgang Eichberger O?. Boden und Baustoffpr?fstelle GmbH c/o Eichberger Wolfgang K?rntnerstra?e 12 4021 Linz Tel.: 0732/7720-2655 Fax.: 0732/7720-2918 Homepage: www.bps.at

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thunderstorm damages!

by CELang＠worldnet.att.net

Yes. The control board in my Dad's garage door opener was killed by a close lightning strike. My sister, who owns the house next door to him, lost the motherboard on her PC -- and it wasn't on at the time, just plugged in. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Chomko <chomko(a)greenbelt.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, July 14, 2001 9:00 PM Subject: thunderstorm damages! >I've been accumulating the damages from a recent thunderstorm. Wow! >Originally I thought >it was just a GFI breaker and the phones. But it turns out that a >computer got hit (just a PC), >and the cable box as well as a TV. I'm making a list (8 entries so far). >Thank God my bro-in-law >here in Maryland gave me a surge supressor that I put on my SWTPC. Makes >me think I need >more of those things. > >Anyone else have such an event happen? Also, take this as a warning to >protect you most valuable >possessions. I intend to get a few more surge suppressors to protect >stuff. This is the one and only >time that this has happened to me, and I'm felling lucky. > >Eric > > > > > >

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repairing h-scan on a Commodore 1701

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, I got a good deal of a Commodore 1701 monitor on eBay, just that it was not well packed and damaged during the USPS trip. Now I have a lightly damaged enclosure with everything inside apparently working except the horizontal scan. The picture is squeezed into one single vertical line in the middle of the screen. So, what's next? Does anyone have a schematics of that monitor, so I could find my way through without an oscilloscope? Any idea how I could get an oscilloscope for repairing this? Any idea where I should start? I once repaired something on a TV set which was amazingly simple, but I'm not sure I can redo that here without help. Thanks, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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sdk 85 for sale at ebay

by ofenerci＠lynx.dac.neu.edu

Hi everybody, I have a vintage sdk 85 trainer. Please use this link to check it. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1255923691&r=0&t=0&s… thanks, ozhan fenerci elif_fenerci(a)larose.com

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baking tapes

by aek＠spies.com

I was able to find a reference this weekend to baking tapes to reduce binder sticking http://www.unesco.org/webworld/ramp/html/r9704e/r9704e11.htm Recovery Recovery of deteriorated tape and/or signal is an intricate process: what works on one problem may well destroy, or at least exacerbate a seemingly similar problem. Sticky tape can be caused by either binder breakdown, lubricant loss and exuding, or problems with the backing. Don't assume that all problems are the same just because they create similar complications. When carrying out any actions that might reasonably be irreversible - such as baking, or chemical treatments, or buffing the tape - be sure that you are treating the correct 'illness' and are not destroying the very thing you are trying to save. * Baking One of the methods used to temporarily improve binder problems, allowing sticky tapes to be played. The information from Ampex - the developer of the tape-baking procedure - on how long and at what temperature to bake has been variously quoted at several conditions. I checked with Quantegy/Ampex for this paper and they tell me that their recommendations are to a) leave the flanges on the hubs/reels, b) use a high- quality convection type oven or an environmental chamber, and c) bake a sticky tape at 113EF/45EC to 131EF /55EC for up to 36 hours (no R/H given) will sufficiently firm up the binder so that the tape can be played. For 1/4" audio tape, baking for 6 to 8 hours is normally adequate; the longer baking times are for wider tape widths, such as 2" video or audio multi-track masters. Quantegy/Ampex warn, however, that the effect of the treatment is temporary, and it is recommended that the tape be copied within one to two weeks. Although some report having 20-or-more successful 'bakes', there is no published or documented information on how many times a tape can be baked, cycling back and forth between the sticky-firm-sticky succession before it fails completely or before the signal is distorted or altered beyond use. Care should be taken that the temperature is well controlled. One of the specific questions raised is about the potential affect of increased print-through from the baking process. There have been no reports of significant problems, but one source recommends lowering the heat (for example, from 55EC to 45EC) and extending the baking time if there is concern. Regardless of the time and temperature selected, do NOT, I repeat NOT, rewind the tape before baking as this will almost certainly increase print-through problems, according to Quantegy/Ampex. Specifically, unless there is absolutely no other option, the hair-dryer-in-a-box solution does not give adequate environmental controls and is not a recommended solution. Regardless of the sophistication of the oven used, be sure and allow the tape to re-acclimatise before handling it, much less playing. * Environmental conditioning/staging Some have reported notable success with environmental conditioning/staging tape instead of either baking or treatment with chemicals. If time allows, try staging sticky tape at 40EF/4.4EC and 20- to-25% RH (the environment that is being considered for long term storage by a number of the collections represented here today) for several weeks to several months before undertaking more aggressive measures. * Chemical treatments, including addition or replacement of lubricants, is another process that has been developed to recover tape with sticky oxide or loss of lubricants. Like baking, it should be used with the greatest of care. The only such processes known to me are proprietary and have not been made available for public use in any detail. * Cleaning In general, tape cleaning should follow the same basic premise as for any other delicate item: use ONLY as much effort and force as is absolutely necessary. To do even that will probably shorten the life expectancy of the tape; to do more will probably actively destroy it. In general, clean with soft, lint-free cloth, such as 3M's Pellon or 3M's #610 Tape Cleaning Fabric. Use moisture and chemicals sparingly, and only after testing on disposable tapes. Buffing/scraping tape is generally rejected by all with whom I have spoken, unless all other efforts have failed.

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Amiga Mosaic source ?

by rachael_＠gmx.net

Don`t know if this is OT but does anyone have the sourcecode for AMosaic ? According to the Amosaic FAQ it was once to be found at ftp.omnipresence.com, but that company has closed some years ago. The file was named MosaicSrc.lha . Regards Jacob Dahl Pind -------------------------------------------------- = IF this computer is with us now... = =...It must have been meant to come live with us.= = (Belldandy - Goddess First class) = --------------------------------------------------

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Who wants a Tektronix 8002A uProcessor Lab?

by jweder＠telusplanet.com

I've recently worked a deal with someone on the 8002A, so tough luck for anyone else thinking you might have loved to have another few cubic feet of toys! Hopefully the folks at the post office are in decent shape - I'd hate to be responsible for wrecking anyone's back! Joel A. Weder jweder(a)telusplanet.net 403-556-4020

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Apple II for intro to microprocessors

by jweder＠telusplanet.com

While I do agree that the Apple II would be a good machine to study the basics of programming and simple microcomputing, my personal preference for learning about microprocessors is the Motorola 68HC11 EVBU. It's a very inexpensive and compact board featuring the MC68HC11 processor chip. The HC11 has numerous ports allowing serial and parallel I/O, analog inputs, pulse counting, with an RS-232 interface for programming and internal EEPROM for small programs. It's got a decent monitor program (Buffalo) which allows programming at the assembler level, direct access to every function on the chip, and there's a wire-wrap area to add more RAM, an EPROM, motor controls or what have you.... I picked up an EVBU some years ago to use as the heart of a small robot, but put it away when life got too hectic. I've recently got it going again and now have an external 32k RAM, a piezo buzzer, and two relays to drive the robot's motors. I'll be adding optical sensors wired to the analog inputs and eventually even an LCD display and/or a keypad. The 68HC11 EVBU is cheap (if you can still find it), has good documentation, and is a great platform to learn a LOT about microprocessors. The only downside is that it's likely a bit of a steep learning curve for anybody who's really new to the hardware side of things. Joel A. Weder jweder(a)telusplanet.net 403-556-4020

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BBC Micro (was: Re: Apple II for into to microprocessors

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 15, 7:48, charles hobbs wrote: > Tony Duell wrote: > > Over here, I'd recoment getting a BBC Micro. > I lucked out at a flea market about 10 years ago and found one for $15 or > so. It had a US style plug, so I figured it would work fine "over here". It > did, with a few caveats: > > 1. Unlike US micros, which had a TV output on Channels 3 or 4, the > BBC output RF on UHF (Channel 37 or something like that). Of course, > the channel numbers and frequencies used in the US are different than > those in the UK. > > 2. It still outputs a 625-line screen, which my 525-line US TV can only > display a part of (some lines off the top and bottom are missing) > > 3. It outputs PAL color, so a NTSC TV will get a monochrome picture > > (It also supports direct RGB output, so, theoretically, I could wire a cable > that would connect it to a monitor, fixing all of those problems) In a way, you're unlucky -- you have a bit of an oddity. Acorn did sell BBC Micros in the States, but the ones officially shipped had a number of modifications: 110V PSU, VHF modulator instead of UHF, 525-line 60Hz video instead of 625-line 50Hz, "COLOR" keyword in BASIC instead of "COLOUR". I can't remember if they changed the colour subsystem to do NTSC instead of PAL. I think that's unlikely as it would have involved changing the PCB; the changes I know about only required changed to the ROM. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Light Pen for PCjr or PC?

by mbbrutman＠chartermi.net

I've never seen a light pen in use on any machine ... I've only seen them in pictures. How do these things work? Does anybody know how to obtain one or have information on how to build on? Thanks, Mike

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thunderstorm damages!

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 14, 21:40, Eric Chomko wrote: > I've been accumulating the damages from a recent thunderstorm. Wow! > Originally I thought > it was just a GFI breaker and the phones. But it turns out that a > computer got hit (just a PC), > and the cable box as well as a TV. I'm making a list (8 entries so far). > Thank God my bro-in-law > here in Maryland gave me a surge supressor that I put on my SWTPC. Makes > me think I need > more of those things. > > Anyone else have such an event happen? Yes, I've had it happen. Over here, the mains is usually fed from a three-phase transformer, with every third house on the same phase. A few years ago, I was watching the storm pass overhead (I like watching lightning) when the house three along from me had a direct hit on their TV aerial. There was a huge BANG!. The damage to their house was extensive: part of the aerial was vapourised, a few other things melted, much of the electrical equipment in the house was damaged in some way. Almost every burglar alarm in the street went off, and two (on the same supply phase) were wrecked. I wasn't so badly off. The bang was so loud I'd jumped hard enough make a picture fall off the wall. One monitor went bang and stopped working so I pulled its plug. My alarm went off but I was able to reset it. When I'd done that, I had a quick look round to see if anything was on fire, but although a few things had obviously stopped working, nothing looked like it needed immediate attention so I went to help the neighbours with their alarm (there are two old couples whose houses I sometimes look after if they're away). When I came back about an hour later I had a more thorough look. One of a pair of identical modems was fried; the other one was fine. The cordless phone never worked again, but the answering machine on the same line was apparently OK (though it never worked quite as well). The TV and video both died. There was a strong burnt PCB smell in the lounge, which turned out to be the remains of the satellite tuner, which was still drawing power and slowly melting. The monitor that had gone bang was a complete mess inside, and was a write-off, though the one next to it was fine, as was the Acorn Archimedes it was connected to. A PDP-11/34 in the garage had stopped, it turned out that the big input filter on the control box had burnt out. The TV company declared the video recorder to be irrepairable, and the engineer who looked at the TV said it was rather black inside, but they took it away and repaired it -- apparently they ended up changing almost every board inside and it was ages before they brought it back (we had a loan set in the meantime). But if you're thinking of relying on surge suppressors to protect your precious items from a lightning strike: _don't_. They're intended to protect from the spikes induced by nearby lightning discharges, not a direct hit or a strike that hits a nearby transformer or the supply. My PDP-11 is the testament to that. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Mac Rom Debugger (was: Re: Apple II for into to microprocesso rs)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >MicroBug was first introduced with the Mac Plus and has been a standard > >component in the ROM of all Mac OS computers since then. MicroBug is invoked > >when the system takes a Non-Maskable Interrupt (NMI) and there is no other > >debugger (e.g., MacsBug) installed. > > What debugger did the 128k have in it then? It shipped with > a small switch that pressed both a recessed reset switch and a > programmers switch. The switches were accessed through the side > ventilation slots. We used the switch with MacsBug, MACS = Motorola Advanced Computer Systems... It wasn't ROM-resident, you had to put it on the system disk from whcih you booted, but we'd hit the interrupt switch to drop into it when we needed it. In those days, it wasn't full-screen, but you could redirect the macsBug console to a serial port and debug that way... Regards, -dq

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thunderstorm damages!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I did not suffer a lightning strike, but rain blew a surprising distance > in an open window across the room on my UPS and shorted it out during a > particularly bad T-storm. Fortunately I was in the next room when it > happened since it emitted impressive sparks. I'm the same way! If something's going to go shpritzenshparks, I love to be there to see it. Sort of like train wrecks, I suppose (about 100 years ago, the Big Attraction at the Kentucky State Fair was an exhibit where they collided two steam locomotives head-on!). About 15 years ago, while in an altered state, a severe thunderstorm brought down a 440v (480V? 700V?) line down into pooled water at the end of the street. So much was going on that the utility didn't catch this for maybe 30 minutes. At the pole to which it was still connected, a few sparks were going on, and the lights of nearby homes, which were pretty dim due to the voltage drop, were gradually getting brighter as the voltage would rise. Then, it would rise enough that it would discharge down the felled line into the polled water. I was pretty close; when it discharged, it was like a lightning strike, except with a LOUD 60hz hum. Incredible.. Yeah, and dangerous too, but I'm not interested in living in a Safe World. Regards, -dq

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Starting the GUI in Solaris 2.4

by cryhavoc_q＠hotmail.com

Simply put, how do I do it? I followed the directions graciously refered to by Ram and got Solaris 2.4 installed. I installed the entire distribution plus OEM support, so i'm fairly certain _everything_ was installed. And now I'd like to get the GUI up. I tried Xsun but that didn't work... it gave me a ">" prompt but I had no idea what to do next... Man, i really am a newbie, huh? ;-) Thanks for all the help! Drew _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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thunderstorm damages!

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 14, 21:55, Paul Thompson wrote: > Since then, I have a house with a basement and the collection has expanded > a great deal but I try to disconnect and power off all the equipment not > doing anything important during flashy storms. Very wise. > Now there is a lot more to disconnect. Network cables to all the > machines, two of them to the linux box hooked to the cable modem, various > printers, monitors and speakers not always hooked to a UPS due to lack of > plugs or capacity. I imagine any one could be an entry point for a surge. If the network cables are all inside the building and aren't too long, they're probably fairly safe. On Jul 14, 22:00, Paul Thompson wrote: > > A building owned by my employer took a strike and blew out their SCO > server. The ISA mux card serving terminals and the motherboard were > physically scorched but surprisingly the SCSI peripherals and RAM was all > OK. I believe one or two terminals were also scorched. That was probably due to current induced in the serial lines. On campus, we used to have lots of serial cards and terminals blow up every time there was a big thunderstorm, because the outdoor cables ran in overhead ducts in covered walkways. The network is usually fine, though (it's either underground or fibre between buildings). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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thunderstorm damages!

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 14, 22:34, Jeff Hellige wrote: > >Yes. The control board in my Dad's garage door opener was killed by a close > >lightning strike. My sister, who owns the house next door to him, lost the > >motherboard on her PC -- and it wasn't on at the time, just plugged in. > > I've seen ISA based internal modems that took surges from > strikes on the line. Some of them looked like they caught fire or at > least got very hot. They probably weren't strikes on the line, just spikes induced by near-misses. Phone lines, especially overhead lines, are like big antennae during a thunderstorm. If you ever watch phone engineers working on multicore cables when the skies darken during thunder season, you'll see them getting away from the cable ends fast -- the induced spikes can be quite spectacular. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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new item

by shirly887＠163.com

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Sparc at home

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 14, Eric Dittman wrote: > > Ahh, most kind. I just popped it open, though, and I don't see > > anywhere that it might take any flash. There are two 72-pin SIMM > > sockets in the left front area of the board, one of which has a SIMM > > in it. What physical form of flash does DECserver 700 take? > > The FLASH is a PCMCIA memory card. Ahh, ok. Definitely no place for a PCMCIA card on this DS700 board. -Dave McGuire

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Wooden case for Apple II?

by rnlion＠its.caltech.edu

Hey all, I have (at home) an old Apple II of some sort that I picked up for free >from my high school a few years back. The thing that attracted me to it was the partially wooden case that it was in, which I thought was pretty snazzy. I took some pictures a while ago, and finally got around to putting them up on a website: http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~rnlion/comp/apple.html I'd like to know a bit more about this system, so if any of you Apple enthusiasts could take a look and let me know if you've ever seen anything like it, that would be great. Thanks, Rob Lion

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Sparc at home

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 13, Eric Dittman wrote: > If your 700 is FLASH-capable I have an extra FLASH card. Ahh, most kind. I just popped it open, though, and I don't see anywhere that it might take any flash. There are two 72-pin SIMM sockets in the left front area of the board, one of which has a SIMM in it. What physical form of flash does DECserver 700 take? -Dave McGuire

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Apple II for into to microprocessors

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 7/13/2001 3:51:07 PM Central Daylight Time, foo(a)siconic.com writes: << > >Actually, as a learning system I'd recomend an Apple ][ or ][+ over a > >//e. The reason is that the //e has 2 custom gate array chips (MMU and > > I agree, but finding one of the older apples isn't as easy as it used to be. Apple ][+'s do still turn up from time to time. But yes, not nearly as often as they used to. Apple ]['s are pretty rare these days. Apple //e's are almost as common as Commodore 64s. Sellam Ismail >> I'd say that //c models are the next common model followed by the GS. of course, the //c+ is the hard one to get.

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Problems installing Solaris 2.4 on SPARCstation LX

by RMeenaks＠olf.com

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Apple II as trainer

by paul＠orchard.wccnet.org

For learning hardware, an Apple II or an Apple II+ is better since the large custom chips (MMU and IOU) are not there; instead, almost everything is generic TTL. For software, I think the Apple IIe is better. The computer has much more built-in capabilities (64K, 80-columns, lower case, better keyboard, etc). The ROMs are replaceable with standard 27 series EPROMs. I just picked up four Platinum IIes. The firmware is in one ROM (16KB, 27C128 compatible). I also have a SwyftCard. I am going to see if I can convert the IIe into a Canon Cat. The show-stopper would be if the SwyftCard uses lots of IIe ROM routines and I cannot fit it all into 16KB. Paul R. Santa-Maria Monroe, Michigan USA

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Apple II for into to microprocessors

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 13, 20:23, Tony Duell wrote: > Over here, I'd recoment getting a BBC Micro. It's got one main > disadvantage compared to the Apple ][ -- no expansion slots. The plus > points are : [snip] I'll add the one point I'm surprised that Tony, of all people, missed :-) It's well documented; the circuit diagrams are readily available, the service manual is reasonably easy to find, and includes circuit description, upgrade instructions, schematics, board layouts, mechanical drawings, etc. And other documents cover the systems calls in detail, how to build interfaces to the bus, how to write ROM software for it, and so on. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Free to good home a franklin pc 8000

by ljcst18+＠pitt.edu

Hello everyone, I have this franklin pc 8000 computer. It works. If no one takes it i'll have to take it out back and beat it with a baseball bat. I'm in the pittsburgh area and I have to get it out storage at work. Luke

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Great new addition to collection

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Picked 4 items from the 3m auction today 2 are not of age but must talk about them anyway. 1. mTi Accumcasure system 1000 2. Vibrace model 350 Flexible Disc tester type MDL TM-350 3. HP 9000 D Class with PA-RISC power, cdrom, tape backup and SCSI drive in nice HP rack 4. HP system rack with 7 SCSI SE drives and 2 tape backup units Also picked up the August 2001 issue of PCWorld and they have a 4 page article on the history of computing with pictures.

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Update: Re: MicroVAX equipment6

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> > I also picked up the DEC MicroServer (DEMSA-A)... > >Are you going to route X25 or SNA? Or DECnet? (Using the Phase IV load software he can do X.25 and DECnet simultaneously using the X25 Router software, should he so desire.) Antonio

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Strange device, stuff available FS or Trade

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> wrote: > Well the VAX fairy visited me and dropped off a "pile of junk". Inside the > junk were a couple of Unibus expansion bays and in those were a board from > MDB systems that asserts it connects a Unibus to a Q-bus. Unfortunately > I've only got the Unibus half apparently and there is a matching card that > plugs into the Q-bus. Univerter/Qniverter? Depending on what the docs say, would the Q-bus end be similar to what DEC used to connect BA-11N or BA-23 boxes together? It does kinda matter which way you are going (i.e., Unibus or Q-bus CPU)... mostly because the Unibus is 18-bit and the Q-bus is 18 or 22 bit (or 16 ;-) with completely different ideas about how to map space (which matters at the driver level, not the hardware level). We looked into such products at work, but we decided that the extra effort on the driver did not pay for saving a development box. > Apparently I also got a set of VAX 11/750 cpu cards and memory. Is this > something anyone is interested in? To rescue from oblivion, yes. To put to immediate use, no. I have two 11/750s and wouldn't mind spares, but space/cash is too tight for such an optional set of boards. I haven't even fired one up since I moved it to the Quonset hut. It sits, temporarily unloved, until I can wire a 30A Hubble receptacle for it. > Finally I got some docs on the VAX BI bus but I'm reserving those for Bill > if he wants them. If not, please let me know. I have an 8300. Thanks, -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

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Mac Rom Debugger (was: Re: Apple II for into to microprocessors)

by tlindner＠ix.netcom.com

>>the early macs at least also have a built in ROM-Monitor :) >>probably the later ones too, although I think that they stopped >>including in the powermac series. > > My B/W G3 still has the programmer's switch on the front > panel and I believe that the G4's we have at work still do as well. > I don't recall if the iMac's do or not. When pressed, it still drops > you to the '>' prompt but none of the manuals that ship with the > machines tell you anything about it. I've never been able to exit > back out of it without rebooting, nor have I actually gotten it to > show any of the info one generally does from a monitor program. > > Jeff http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn1136.html Quote: About MicroBug MicroBug was first introduced with the Mac Plus and has been a standard component in the ROM of all Mac OS computers since then. MicroBug is invoked when the system takes a Non-Maskable Interrupt (NMI) and there is no other debugger (e.g., MacsBug) installed. ** I have been lurking here for about a month and am so excited I can finally contribute! :) -- tim lindner tlindner(a)ix.netcom.com "Life. Don't talk to me about life." - Marvin, the android

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Apple Recall of powerbooks

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

Not ten year old yet but urgent... Seens like Apple is actively trying to eradicate the powerbooks 5300 and 190. The article at: http://www.pbzone.com/index.shtml#applestore States that apple will be destroying the PB that are sent back. Time to find those babies and protect them from doom. Francois

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Thoughts on a datascope

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Any thoughts on how I can back this beastie up? Anyone > done anything with this line of datascope? No experience with this device, but you could try this: Remove the HD and attached it as the second drive in an old bootable PC that already has one MFM drive. You'll need to get the drive parameters for the drive entered into the CMOS; I think I used to use SpeedStor (?) for that. Other utilities exist. Then, assuming this datascope doesn't turn out to be an embedded DOS machine (and thus the drive formatted as FAT12), use DEBUG under DOS to load the boot sectors, then write to a .BIN file and set aside. Load the partition table (assuming it has one) and save it. Do a quick- n-dirty disassembly of the boot code to see where it runs off to (that is what it loads from the drive), and if it's loading less than 64k, you should be able to do this easily in DEBUG. If it's loading more than 64k, you could just write a quick-n-dirty program using your favorite language (unless that's COBOL!) to read the datascope code in and store it in a binary file. However, as I said above, you may find this machine is an embedded DOS machine, and the drive may already be readable, file by file. hth, -doug q

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DEC stuff free in Austin, TX

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got two MicroVAX IIs (in the big BA123 cases) and a rackmountable (missing the rack mounts, unfortunately) horizontal-load 9track tape drive of some kind (havent had time to look at it yet) free for pickup in Austin, TX. All of this will fit in the back of a pickup truck or station wagon (was delivered in an old late-70s station wagon). bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Collecting vs. My Wife

by dittman＠dittman.net

My wife has grumbled a bit about my collecting, esp. when I use the loft in our house as a staging area. Most of the stuff is either in the computer room or the garage, but nothing beats being able to spread a system out on the floor and coffee table to either repair or build the system. I've recently decided to limit myself to VAX, PDP-11, and Alpha systems. I'm going to be selling off my CP/M and TRS-80 collection (except for my Cyzern System 7000 and possibly my very rare Norcom clone). When I mentioned this to my wife, I was extremely surprised when she said I should keep the stuff! I guess that's one of the reasons I love her so much; she supports my computing habit (she even bought me my first Alpha). -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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Sparc at home

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> I can keep my eyes out. Let me know offline what you are looking for and I'll > beat the bushes. Older Sony monitors are much easier to find than anything > else, of course, and weigh a ton. I don't want to have to ship one, and now that I've got the IBM P200 sitting next to my Viewsonic P815, I don't really have room. > I do not know much about any other 13W3 monitors, except that SGI also has > their own 13W3 pinout, but you can make a swabber. I thought SGI and Sun used the same pinout. > > Get the Ancient UNIX License, IIRC, the PUPS archive has Ultrix-32. > > Remember though, it's a VAX, it *SHOULD* be running OpenVMS!!! > > What versions? I have distro kits for lots of VAX Ultrix releases in the > 1986 - 1994 timeframe. Mostly on 16MT9, but a couple of TK50s. I'd be OK, I just dug around to figure out what they've got up. It's odd, I could have sworn they had stuff newer than V1.2! Geez, this is stuff I've actually got the doc's for. I might have to setup a system running it eventually. 32m-1.0-bin Ultrix-32M V1.0 BIN; 1984 2 RX50 images; format unknown 32m-1.0-sw Ultrix-32M V1.0 D-SOFTWARE; 1984 13 RX50 images; tar 32m-1.2-acct Ultrix-32M V1.2 BIN ACCOUNTING; 1985 1 RX50 image; tar 32m-1.2-bin Ultrix-32M V1.2 BIN; 1986 4 RX50 images; tar looks like kernel sources only 32m-1.2-binxx Ultrix-32M V1.2 BIN; 1986 1 RX50 image; tar looks like field-service exercisers 32m-1.2-comm Ultrix-32M V1.2 BIN COMMUNICATIONS; 1985 5 RX50 images; tar 32m-1.2-fort Ultrix-32M V1.2 BIN FORTRAN; 1985 1 RX50 image; tar 32m-1.2-filt Ultrix-32M V1.2 BIN FILTERS; 1985 1 RX50 image; tar 32m-1.2-prog Ultrix-32M V1.2 BIN PROGRAMMER; 1985 4 RX50 images; tar RX50 4/4 is mis-labelled EXERCISER but contains what is pretty clearly PROGRAMMER contents (libc_p libplot libtermcap ...) 32m-1.2-pas Ultrix-32M V1.2 BIN PASCAL; 1985 2 RX50 images; tar 32m-1.2-sccs Ultrix-32M V1.2 BIN SCCS; 1985 2 RX50 images; tar 32m-1.2-writ Ultrix-32M V1.2 BIN WRITERS; 1985 2 RX50 images; tar decnet-1.1 DECNET-Ultrix V1.1 BIN; 1986 3 RX50 images; tar Looks like they also have the following BSD stuff: -r--r--r-- 1 pups archive 6744143 Jul 24 1997 3bsd.tar.gz drwxr-xr-x 3 1011 archive 512 Jun 27 2000 4.2BSD drwxr-xr-x 2 1011 archive 512 Jun 27 2000 4.3BSD drwxr-xr-x 2 1011 archive 512 Jun 27 2000 4.3BSD-Quasijarus0 drwxr-xr-x 2 1011 archive 512 Jun 27 2000 4.3BSD-Quasijarus0a drwxr-xr-x 2 1011 archive 512 Jun 27 2000 4.3BSD-Reno drwxr-xr-x 2 1011 archive 512 Jun 27 2000 4.3BSD-Rev2-Foreign drwxr-xr-x 2 1011 archive 512 Jun 27 2000 4.3BSD-Tahoe drwxr-xr-x 2 1011 archive 512 Jun 27 2000 4.4BSD-Alpha drwxr-xr-x 3 pups archive 512 Jun 27 2000 Misc drwxr-xr-x 2 1011 archive 512 Jun 27 2000 Net2 -rw-r--r-- 1 1011 archive 2042 Oct 10 1999 WELCOME drwxr-xr-x 3 1011 archive 512 Jun 27 2000 components drwxr-xr-x 2 1011 archive 512 Jun 27 2000 odds-ends drwxr-xr-x 3 1011 archive 512 Jun 27 2000 thirdparty drwxr-xr-x 2 1011 archive 512 Jun 27 2000 tips Zane

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Thoughts on a datascope

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Fellow classiccmp'ers, I have an interesting situation here. It's a 12-year old datascope, made by Atlantic Research (their 'Interview 7500'). I had it apart last night to clean the innards and replace a noisy fan, and I was struck by how beautifully made it was. Fully modularized, plasma display up front, dual floppies, and the entire case made out of that heavy resin-style plastic, sprayed on the inside with conductive coat for shielding. And yet, in the midst of all that gorgeous engineering, there was one fly in the ointment. The unit boots and runs off an ancient Kyocera(!) 20 meg MFM hard drive, run from a dedicated controller port on one of the boards. Now, I know darn good and well that older hard drives tend to be pretty rugged, especially the lower densities. However, I have no backups, floppy or otherwise, for the unit's OS, and I've not had any luck so far finding boot/run floppies for it. I'm fortunate in that it's still working quite well, but I'm also painfully aware that I might be running on borrowed time. Inrange Technology bought out AR's entire line of datascopes, and I do have an inquiry going with them. However, I'm not holding my breath due to the age of the unit. The core CPU in the unit is a Motorola 68010, so it's a pretty safe bet that the OS is not DOS-based. This means the hard drive would likely be unreadable to a PC if hitched, say, to a WD MFM board. Any thoughts on how I can back this beastie up? Anyone done anything with this line of datascope? Thanks much.

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SCSI 9-trackers available

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

I've just put up two SCSI 9-track tape drives (front autoloaders) on Haggle under 'Drives.' The first one is a SCSI-SE M4 Data 9914 at: http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?id=202390084 The second is a SCSI-DIFF interface HP 88780 (Tandem 5190 badged) at: http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?id=202390090 The 9914 is known to be working, if a bit dinged cosmetically. The 88780 is unknown condition at this time, but it was pulled out of a working system. I may be able to do a basic power-on test for it in the near future. FWIW, the M4 drive is still a current/supported product. The 88780 may or may not be. I'm -really- reluctant to ship these because of size/weight. With either unit, you'd be looking at shipping costs of around $170 ($100 for a custom box, another $70 or so for ground shipping and insurance). So, unless you're not local to the area and are REALLY desperate for a SCSI 9-tracker, I'd prefer local pickup. Thanks much.

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monitors

by lgwalker＠look.ca

I've been fascinated by micro-computer monitors for years. Possibly because my original Atari ST had such a convoluted 13pin interface. As a result I've tended to grab any monitor that didn't have a vanilla or plain 9pin or 15pin connector. Ditto when it comes to video cards. So the NEC series of multi-sync and other monitors with additional switches have been high on my collectables. The Amiga newsgroup is always full of queries regarding which Nec works with it (3C ?}. Similiarly each of the older platform newsgroups have the same questions. While I know Tony Duell and others have posted the video requirements of different systems, it has always been a bit of a grey area for me. For example what do the dip-switch settings on most of the configurable cards indicate ? Some of my monitors include a Radius full-page display, and I have a kit which supposedly allows a Mac+ to use it. A DEC VR201 with the retactible support pole and transporting handle which works on my DEC Rainbow. Tatung configurable, Tandy CM5, Several Hi-resolution configurable monitors Compaq and TVM ,Commodore 1402, Apple Color RGB (for A2 GS),Supermac rebadged Sony GDF1950, and Magnavoxes and NECs. However, I have yet to see a good FAQ regarding these monitors. There seems to be more info on the fixed freq. and sync on green and I have book from MS Press on IBM CGA thru VGA monitors but little on their configuration and platform-specific features. Possibly each mfg. issued a booklet with their monitors and the market wasn't big enough for a book. An area to explore. My system includes a JDH Videomate external box which is a TV to VGA converter and my main TV when not displaying computer-specific info. Again , a defunct company, so no info. ciao larry ciao larry lgwalker(a)look.ca walkers(a)altavista.net bigwalk(a)xoommail.com

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FW: Vintage Calculator Restore

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Got the attached in the evening's mail. If anyone on the list can help, please contact Mitch directly. Thanks! -=-=- <snip> -=-=- >Delivered-To: kyrrin(a)mail-sttl.uswest.net >Delivered-To: alias-bluefeathertech.com-kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com >Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:03:52 -0400 From: "mbillian" <mbillian(a)erols.com> >To: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) >X-Accept-Language: en >Subject: Vintage Calculator Restore > >Bruce, was wondering if you might be able to help me restore a piece of >obselete equipment. I recently acquired a Compucorp 140 (nixie) desktop >calculator which works perfectly, however it's missing 3 keys: 'chg >sign' key, 'reset' key and the key with 2 bell shaped curves on it. I >would buy the keys or ones of the same style with different >markings. Let me know if you could suppy them or know of a source. >Here is a picture: >http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/7510/compucorp140.html > >thanks > >Mitch > > > > > > >

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SAIC RSC-1x (MOCC) Portable Workstation

by owad＠applefritter.com

I purchased an interesting system at the Timonium Hamfest last weekend. It's a SparcStation IPX, refitted to a military case. I've put some pictures up at <http://www.applefritter.com/temp/saic/>. It consists of the computer itself and an expansion chassis that latches onto the bottom of the case. Right now, I don't have the machine running. The power supply I got with it is a LAMBDA, 24VDC, 10.5 A. I don't have a military connector, so I've been sticking the wires onto the pins. I managed to get the system to power on. It gives a splash screen reading "Tech-Source Inc." followed by a line I didn't think to write down before it started having problems. At the next spring it tells me a bit about itself: SparcStation IPX, Keyboard Present ROM Rev. 2.9, 64 MB memory installed, Serial #2219226 Ethernet address 8:0:20:1a:c:28, Host ID: 5721dcda And informs be that it can't boot off the hard drive (the seller told me its been wiped clean). Just a few minutes ago the power supply apparently gave out. I had the machine powered on and was copying down the above information when it seemingly powered off and the screen started flickering on and off. I'm not at all familiar with Sparcs, and I really don't know much about power supplies either. Does this strike the anybody as a faulty power supply connection, or something else? The expansion chassis needs its own power, so unless the power supply I have is powerful enough to power both (opinions?) I'm going to need a second. I need to get the expansion chassis up and running as it has the CD-ROM drive (along with a second hard drive and a tape drive) in it which I need to install the operating system. Does anybody have any suggestions regarding getting this system running? Know where I can find some decent power supplies that will work? Ideally with the three-prong military connectors? Thanks for the info. Tom Owad

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Info Needed: QBus board

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

I have a dual-height QBus board from Micro Technology that I cannot identify. I suspect it's a tape/disk/both controller. Model is MQD19. It has the following headers: 2x10-pin, 1x20-pin, 1x34-pin, 1x60-pin. Any ideas? Thanks much.

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Mending a TZ-30

by optimus＠canit.se

A while ago, we tried to stuff a TZ-30, which is the SCSI version of a TK-50, into a ?VAX 3100. Only some clumsy bastard managed to tear off the ribbon cable, which DEC stupidly enough had mounted externally to the entire case. The ribbon cable goes from a PCB on the back to a smaller one mounted on the head. Whereas the cable may be slid back and forth in a connector on the back PCB, it is "mounted" with a blob of glue on the head PCB. And that's exactly where it's been ripped off. =( Thus my question: Does anyone happen to know whether there are holes in the head PCB between which one could put normal wires and bypass the ribbon cable entirely? I've identified the holes and solder spots on the back PCB which represent the ribbon connector, but the ones on the head PCB aren't as clearly laid out. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. SCSI is *NOT* magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then. -- John Woods

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VAXserver 3100 question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 13, 22:07, Brian Hechinger wrote: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 09:57:27PM -0400, linc wrote: > > > How about on my DS5840/VAX6000? Doesn't have MFM. > > > > Possibly a pertek interface. > > good point, didn't think about that. But a Pertec interface uses *two* 50-way connectors. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Update: Re: MicroVAX equipment

by dan＠ekoan.com

On Thursday, 12 Jul 2001 at 18:04:08 +0200 "W.B.(Wim) Hofman" wrote: > The uVax1000 is for real time purposes. A uVax II with a level of memory > management removed. Ran typically VaxEln. Last year I desperately needed > one to expand an industrial control application. We found one. Wim is correct, and I miscopied the information from the front of the machine. I went back to the warehouse and it actually says "rt 1000" where the "rt" is in a cursive-like script. Must have been too many machines in that warehouse and not enough light. Sorry for any confusion. I did pick up an HP 9000/C110, CPU only. Is anyone familiar with these machines? This box has the A4071B graphics card installed, but I don't have one of the two monitors HP says must be used. Will a standard PC-type VGA monitor work, or do I really need to find an HP A4032A or A4033A? I also picked up the DEC MicroServer (DEMSA-A) as well as a nifty little data line monitor called the ByteBug (model 625) made by Hard Engineering out of Huntsville, Alabama, in the early 1980's. Google didn't turn up anything on either the ByteBug or Hard Engineering. By any chance has anyone heard of them? Cheers, Dan

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Free PDP-11/30 in Urbana, IL, USA

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:28:53 -0500 To: Greenkeys(a)qth.net From: Bill Henry <ghenry(a)halcomm.com> Subject: [GreenKeys] PDP-11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-greenkeys(a)qth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Bill Henry <ghenry(a)halcomm.com> Status: Anyone have the hots for a PDP-11/30 - circa 1980? It's sitting here in Urbana, IL. Worked last time we used it - maybe 10 years ago. Includes CRT terminal, 3 hard disk drives (the BIG drives) 2 floppy drives (also BIG), 3/4 height DEC rack (about 4 1/2 ft.). RSX-11 Operating System, Runoff Word Processor, VERY early Basic. Call me if you're serious. The price is right - and no charge for the dust. Bill Henry HAL Communications Corp. 367-7373 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- George W. (Bill) Henry Internet: ghenry(a)halcomm.com President WWW: halcomm.com HAL Communications Corp. Phone: 217-367-7373 1201 W. Kenyon Rd. FAX: 217-367-1701 Urbana, Illinois 61801 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Submissions: greenkeys(a)qth.net

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Sparc at home

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> will an ultra 2 mainboard fit in an ultra 1 chassis? Not a chance, the Ultra 2 is quite a bit larger than an Ultra 1, plus the Ultra 1 is a non-changable single cpu system while the Ultra 2 can have one or two CPUs and they are changeable. Zane

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OT Celebration (Not intended to be offensive, possible humor)

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

Joe, You seem to be wrong on both counts (don't take personal offense to that...). Check this out: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,28855,00.html You don't actually believe that you would be informed that your state government was going to be watching did you? I didn't know that my state government (Texas) was watching license plates at the borders. I make trips to Louisiana quite frequently to visit family. Gives me the shivers..... - Matt >> I'm thinking of those cameras attached to computers which are >>being used in Florida to identify and track people, based on their >>facial features, walking on the streets and sidewalks, in an attempt >>to "catch criminals." > > WHAT??? where did you hear that? I live in Florida and I've never > heard it. > > > You'd guess wrong too! We have very few cameras here. The ones > that we have are mainly located in banks, ATMs, convience stores and the > like. We have very few cameras in public areas. > > Joe "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

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Sparc at home

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 13, Eric Dittman wrote: > > On July 13, Eric Dittman wrote: > > > > DECserver 700, DSRVW-CA.AC1. > > > > > > I'm not sure if the -CA has FLASH capabilities. I know the -ZC > > > does for sure. If the -CA does have FLASH capabilities, do you > > > have a FLASH memory card for it? > > > > Nope. I haven't cracked it open. I was just going to netboot it. > > Then you'll want to make sure the system you boot it from doesn't > have its console on the terminal server. I like having a FLASH- > capable terminal server so I don't have to rely on any of the > systems being up and functioning to get the terminal server going. Yes, I will have to be careful with that. At this point I'm kinda limited by what I have on-hand. -Dave McGuire

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Sparc at home

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 13, Eric Dittman wrote: > > DECserver 700, DSRVW-CA.AC1. > > I'm not sure if the -CA has FLASH capabilities. I know the -ZC > does for sure. If the -CA does have FLASH capabilities, do you > have a FLASH memory card for it? Nope. I haven't cracked it open. I was just going to netboot it. -Dave McGuire

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Apple II wooden case

by paul＠orchard.wccnet.org

The wooden case is a protective shell around the Apple II. It was probably marketed for schools, especially for the teacher's computer. I bet there is a way to lock the shell down with either a bolt or a cable. The computer itself is either an Apple II or Apple II+. Paul R. Santa-Maria Monroe, Michigan USA

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Sparc at home

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 13, Tom Uban wrote: > I run a sparc IPX with NetBSD as my firewall. I use the serial console > so that I don't have to have a big non-multisync monitor and/or extra > keyboard/mouse pair sitting on my desk. The box is plenty fast enough > for a firewall and it sits there running quitely month after month, quite > happy. It is on a UPS:-) Ahh, sanity! Bravo! The idea that "every computer must have a bitmapped display, a keyboard, and a mouse" that the PeeCee world has infected us with is utterly ridiculous. -Dave McGuire

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 13, Eric Dittman wrote: > > I have a 700-16 here that I plan to put into service soon. Looks like > > a damn nice box. > > What is the model number? DECserver 700, DSRVW-CA.AC1. -Dave McGuire

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More DEC doc scans up

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

Bill Bradford wrote: > I've put the handbooks off for a while until I can decide on > how I want to do them. Until then, MACRO-11, BATCH-11, and > RSTS-11 brochures: > > http://www.decdocs.org/docs >if anybody else has more stuff like this, please let me know. At the very least the following sites have (or will have) DEC & DEC-related docs (no order implied): http://montagar.com/~patj/hcps.htm http://www.pdp8.net/query_docs/query_all.html http://www.vt100.net/ http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/dec/ http://www.mainecoon.com/classiccmp/ http://www.36bit.org/dec/ I can remember yours (rather than having to hunt through bookmarks) so a few more links on there would be a quick and easy useful addition IMHO! Antonio arcarlini(a)iee.org

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Problems installing Solaris 2.4 on SPARCstation LX

by cryhavoc_q＠hotmail.com

Thanks for the info everyone! Yeah, I understand that Solaris 2.5.1 is probably better, but I can only get my hands on 2.4 or 8. And I want to install OpenStep 1.0 (for sentimental reasons) on top of Solaris. I understand that OpenStep for Solaris doesn't work with anything newer than 2.5... Also, I've got a ton of 72 pin SIMMs sitting around (well over 128MB worth) pulled from 68k and PPC 601 Macintoshes... So I'm not concerned about the memory. I dunno if they are parity or not, though. Macs don't care... Any way I can tell by looking at the SIMMs? Nah, I'm not looking for a speed deamon here. I know I won't be setting any records or anything. I just want a chance to get an older box up and running so when I'm at school I can proudly say: "Look at this! I got an LX >from a dumpster, put Solaris 2.4 and OpenStep 1 on it, and now I'm running OmniWeb 2.5!" *grin* Well... first I'd like to get it running... ;-) In the meantime, I'll be looking for an older CD-ROM drive that will do 512 byte blocks. It seems people here are correct - the Matshita CD-R i have probably is the problem. I just succesfully started a Solaris 2.4 installation on an LX here at work for a co-worker... He's not sticking with Solaris though, he'll be moving to a Mandrake Linux distro. Question about the audio: It's 44kHz 16bit stereo, right? Any chance I can play MP3s? :-D heh.... 50MHz is a bit slow for 128kbps audio I imagine. But it's worth a try just for the heck of it, right? Peace, Drew P.S. I'm sure I'll have more difficulties ;-) I'll write again once I locate a CD-ROM which can do 512byte blocks ----Original Message Follows---- From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Problems installing Solaris 2.4 on SPARCstation LX Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:42:31 -0700 (PDT) [snip] > Ugh. > Solaris 2.4 was no bargain... I wouldn't use anything less than 2.5. > I'd probably try 2.6. On IPX's and Sparc2's I'd prefer the SunOS > 4.1.3_U1. Agreed. For a flood of reasons, I'd consider 2.5.1 to be the baseline for experimenting with old Solaris unless you are aiming for something historical. [snip] You can also stuff a pair of 32Mb 72-pin parity SIMMs in the first bank (it's all done in pairs), giving you a maximum of 128Mb on a Classic or LX. Mine has 2 x 32Mb + 2 x 16Mb + 2 x 4Mb for a total of 108Mb. That and a couple of 9Mb SCSI-narrow drives and it hums along nicely under Solaris 7. It will never set any speed records, to be sure. It's about the same level of responsiveness as a SPARC2 or IPX even though it's a 50Mhz MicroSparcII chip (QFP soldered, no upgrade possible, unlike the SPARC2 and IPX), but the big benefit is that it is sun4m and has a longer useful life if you don't need to wring any speed out of it. [snip] -ethan _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

25 years, 1 month

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Sparc at home

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> I think you'll find most people on this list have computers > with only a serial terminal. Some of us even have Terminals that are plugged into terminal servers instead of computers. That way they can choose which computer on the network they connect to. What can I say, I love VT420's. > Other than my main Linux system > and my laptop (and excluding my wife's system and her laptop), > everything else is connected to a terminal server. My big thing is sharing my Monitors between systems. Right now the IBM P200 can drive 4 systems (4-way digital switch box for both video, keyboard and mouse), the Viewsonic P815 can do 2 (dual inputs), and the Dec 17" can do 2 (dual inputs). > I do have a VT525 that's connected to a 19" color monitor. > That makes a great terminal. Oh, drool! Now that sounds sweet! Zane

25 years, 1 month

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Sparc at home

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 13, Eric Dittman wrote: > > Some of us even have Terminals that are plugged into terminal servers > > instead of computers. That way they can choose which computer on the > > network they connect to. What can I say, I love VT420's. > > I use a DECserver 90M. I've got a handful of other DECservers, > but I like the 90M due to its size. I'll be switching to a > DECserver 700-16 soon, though. I have a 700-16 here that I plan to put into service soon. Looks like a damn nice box. -Dave McGuire

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MicroVAX equipment

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Ethan Dicks wrote: >How many zeros in "desperatly"? I've heard of VAXeln; I don't remember >anything about a uVAX1000 in particular, but I have a foggy memory that >DEC did sell stripped hardware that would run VAXeln but not VMS. It >wasn't cheap enough to be wildly popular, ISTR. I don't think I heard >much of anything outside of DECUS symposia. I think that the proper designation was the rtVAX 1000. (Based, IIRC, on the KA620 - a cut down version of the KA630 used in the MicroVAX II). There were other rtVAX variants based on the later CVAX chips but I've never particularly kept track of them so I don't have a list. Antonio arcarlini(a)iee.org

25 years, 1 month

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Sparc at home

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 13, Carlos Murillo wrote: > > Ahh, sanity! Bravo! The idea that "every computer must have a > >bitmapped display, a keyboard, and a mouse" that the PeeCee world has > >infected us with is utterly ridiculous. > > Right! I have a 6-to-1 RS-232 switch with one vt320 on one side, > and on the other sides I have 1) hp380, 2) Decstation 5000/133, > 3) Vaxstation 2000, 4) and 5) misc. 68hc11 boards... > > Saves a lot of space :-) . Very cool! -Dave McGuire

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Cipher C880 tape drive

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 13, Brian Knittel wrote: > Photos I saw of the F880 look just like my drive. That's > promising but superficial. Does anyone know the difference > between the Cipher C880 and the F880 series? Anybody > have any detailed info on either drive? I believe I have a service manual for the F880...want me to go dig for it? -Dave McGuire

25 years, 1 month

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Old PCs in Bristol, England need good home

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here's a chap in Bristol, England, with various PC bits to give away. Please reply to original sender. Reply-to: <jbryant(a)iee.org> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 23:08:38 +0200 From: "James M. BRYANT, G4CLF" <jbryant(a)iee.org> Subject: Re: Old PCs in Bristol - England I have the following:- Compaq Deskpro 386 (forget how big the hard drive is) IBM PC-XT 3 Keyboards 2 13" Colour monitors 1 13" Green monitor 386 Twinhead B&W notebook, PSU and mouse Victor AT B&W Laptop & PSU - twin 720 Kbyte floppies, no hard drive 16-bit Sound card - unused -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Sparc at home

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 13, Eric Dittman wrote: > > Ahh, sanity! Bravo! The idea that "every computer must have a > > bitmapped display, a keyboard, and a mouse" that the PeeCee world has > > infected us with is utterly ridiculous. > > I think you'll find most people on this list have computers > with only a serial terminal. Other than my main Linux system How refreshing. The next time I see a stack of Suns in a computer room with a monitor/keyboard/mouse on a KVM switch, I'm going to throw up. > and my laptop (and excluding my wife's system and her laptop), > everything else is connected to a terminal server. Excellent! I'm about to (FINALLY) take that step myself. > I do have a VT525 that's connected to a 19" color monitor. > That makes a great terminal. Cool! -Dave McGuire

25 years, 1 month

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Collecting vs. My Wife

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Plays Tempest and Star Trek very well under MAME. The ROM for TEMPEST is available, and there's an emulator??? I've been making do with ARASHI on the Mac for 10 years, and I coulda had the real thing? Any links? -dq

25 years, 1 month

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Sparc at home

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> I've got the Ancient Unix license... didn't know Ultrix-32 was > available there. > > Time to check the PUPS archive (actually, first get VAX/VMS up then > worry about the Unix on the box). > > Great > > Bill > Has been for about a year, see my other post for a rundown of what's there (not as much as I expected). Besides, as I *always* say, VAX/VMS is preferable. This is of course in part because I find UNIX on hardware older than about a Sparc 10 painful. Zane

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Anyone with info on Cipher C8803 tape drives?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Does anyone have documentation and/or cabling and interface info (physical > and/or software) for this drive? Or know of a scanned or other online > reference for it? From what I read, Seagate ate Connor ate Archive ate Cipher > and there's nothing left. At one time, there was a college with a lab who had a Cipher F880 and had a PDF of the maintenance manual... I downloaded it, but seem to have lost the PDF. All I can find is the printed copy. This is maybe a different drive, but I'd be shocked if the interface wasn't either SCSI or Pertec. hth, -doug q

25 years, 1 month

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Adapting serial mice to quadrature systems

by optimus＠canit.se

There's been some talk before about adapting those blasted serial mice which are so common on the PC (all current PC mouses are serial, whether they connect to an actual RS232 port or to a "PS/2" connector) to a more sensible quadrature system. Was it Tony or Pete who talked about making a PIC based adaptor? Well, here's your chance, according to the Aminet daily: ps2m.lha hard/hack 191K+Ultimate Amiga PS/2 WheelMouseController ps2m_example.lha hard/hack 150K+PS/2 WheelMouseController - PCB photos And look here what turned up today, in relation to the recent LJ III thread: HP_LaserjetIII.lha text/print 14K+Laserjet III Workbench Driver v1.2 -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.

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Anyone with info on Cipher C8803 tape drives?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On 12 Jul, Chad Fernandez wrote: > > > It better be Pertec and not SCSI! > SCSI is one 50 pin connector, Pertec uses two 50 pin connectors. > > > If it were SCSI that would mean I just gave away a Qbus SCSI card.... > > I think I would shoot myself :-) > Happy suicide! ;-) > > > I think the card was an Emulex UC07, or TC07, or something like that.... > > I don't know :-) > field-guide.txt: > UC07D Q Emulex single SCSI bus adaptor. Chad- Bummer, man! -dq

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All this PLATO talk got me going...

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Hi Well all this Plato talk has got me excited... I am still looking for screen shot of my favorite stuff on the system like Dogfight and Airfight and if I would find some references to some of the stuff I wrote (like my Space Attack game) I would go nuts. I have decided to contact some people here at the Quebec network of Universities in hope on finding some Plato stuff....The Plato system was used a lot by universites in Quebec in the early 80s. Thats when I spent most of my time on the system...too much time...writing stuff in tutor....also might enjoy finding the plato terminal emulator for PC (I know it existed because I used it...) and maybe some micro-tutor/plato stuff....even if I never used micro-plato/tutor... I might even find an old terminal in one of the college basements somewhere maybe...or even listings....I actually had the whole Airfight listing here at one point and was gonna translate it to french and abandonned the project...listing went into the garbage...like a lot of the stuff I wrote when I was younger...now I regret.... Even had some CDC/Plato docs that I threw out long time ago...hey, I was younger.... Here is some stuff I found...about micro plato... Correct. The CDC-110 Micro Plato Station consisted of a CDC IST-2 or IST-3 terminal connected via a proprietary bus to a box containing its own Z80 and an 8" DSDD floppy; the IST (containing its own 64K RAM and Z80) acted as a terminal, while the actual CP/M crunching took place on the Z80 within the disk-drive cabinet. I worked for many years at the City Colleges of Chicago, which used the PLATO computers at the University of Illinois (and still uses PLATO's descendent, NovaNET). During the '80s, we had a couple hundred IST terminals, most of which were "naked" and connected only to the PLATO system, but some of which were CDC-110s with disk drives and ran mostly Micro-TORTURE :-) lessons. The Micro-PLATO stuff didn't last long, mostly due to the hassle of sucking down a disk's worth of lessons from the central system over a 1200-bps circuit. Don Piven - Chicago IL Claude http://www.members.tripod.com/computer_collector or http://computer_collector.tripod.com

25 years, 1 month

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X-10 (was Re: controlling power)

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 03:30 AM 7/9/01 -0400, you wrote: >On July 9, Neil Cherry wrote: >> X10 was marketed to Radio Shack in 1978 and the first review of it was > X10 was originally marketed by BSR, if memory serves. According to this guy, who worked with X10 from the early days, RS was the 1st US market. BSR came later. http://www.hometoys.com/htinews/oct99/articles/rye/rye.htm Some interesting bits on development and manufacturing, too.

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Historically interesting (?) 'scope - and the winner is....

by r.stek＠snet.net

Well, Steve Ciarcia's Heathkit IO-105 has been won. It was a tough choice amongst the many and varied entries. I lost a little sleep worrying about whether or not I had made the right choice. But to give everyone who entered this contest their due, let me list the runners up before announcing the BIG winner: First and fastest offer - NEC V-20 from Ethan Dicks Best CP/M related offer - NEC V-20 from Ethan Dicks Best 8080-code compatible offer - NEC V-20 from Ethan Dicks Best hardware offer (general) - NEC V-20 from Ethan Dicks Best hardware offer (CPU) - NEC V-20 from Ethan Dicks Best computer related item ever mentioned in a computer magazine - NEC V-20 from Ethan Dicks Last offer - NEC V-20 from Ethan Dicks ... And the BIG winner of this fabulous fuse-blowing marvel is - NEC V-20 from Ethan Dicks Congratulations, Ethan! This 'scope is now yours and the faster I can get it out of my basement, the better. Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

25 years, 1 month

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Fw: [GreenKeys] PDP-11

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

Forwarded from another list, contact originator direct please. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Henry" <ghenry(a)halcomm.com> To: <Greenkeys(a)qth.net> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 6:58 AM Subject: [GreenKeys] PDP-11 > Anyone have the hots for a PDP-11/30 - circa 1980? It's sitting here in > Urbana, IL. Worked last time we used it - maybe 10 years ago. Includes > CRT terminal, 3 hard disk drives (the BIG drives) 2 floppy drives (also > BIG), 3/4 height DEC rack (about 4 1/2 ft.). RSX-11 Operating System, > Runoff Word Processor, VERY early Basic. > > Call me if you're serious. The price is right - and no charge for the dust. > > Bill Henry > HAL Communications Corp. > 367-7373 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- > George W. (Bill) Henry Internet: ghenry(a)halcomm.com > President WWW: halcomm.com > HAL Communications Corp. Phone: 217-367-7373 > 1201 W. Kenyon Rd. FAX: 217-367-1701 > Urbana, Illinois 61801 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- > > > ---- > Submissions: greenkeys(a)qth.net > >

25 years, 1 month

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off topic stuff and flame wars

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

Up to a point I find the off-topic stuff kind of funny... it's like a small town where all the old retired guys sit on the front porch of the old hardware store and BS all day. But when the stort of stuff we're seeing lately shows up, it's no longer charming. The types who engage in the invective we're seeing thrive on attention. Argument and returned insults are exactly what they're seeking. The response should be cold silence. Don't respond to it, don't argue with them, don't acknowledge their presence on the porch until they act like adults. That's my two bits worth. Brian

25 years, 1 month

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Plato terminal

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 12, 15:52, McFadden, Mike wrote: > Sridhar wrote > >How do you find out the exact number of feet you're out from the CO? > I think you call up the telco and ask them the question and then they run > some test and report back to you. It's a time-domain reflectometer test. Basically you send a narrow pulse down the cable and look for a spike coming back. You can do it with a pulse generator and an oscilloscope. Trigger the scope from the pulse generator, and display the voltage on the cable. Any discontinuity in the cable will show up as a bump in the trace (a discontinuity might be an imperfect splice, or a sharp bend in a coaxial or twisted pair cable which crushes the cable and distorts the geometry), and unless the end is perfectly terminated, it will cause a reflection which will show up as a spike. Then if you know the cable characteristics, specifically the velocity factor, measuring the time between the pulse and the bumps or spikes allows you to work out how far down the cable they are. The same technique is used for optical fibres. A couple of weeks ago, we had a bunch of about 30 spliced (previously they were connected via two sets of patch panels). The guy who did the splices produced a very fancy optical TDR, which showed the graphs of the returns as well as the times and distances. He was even able to point out where there were patch panels on the far end and estimate how long the attached patch leads were. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

25 years, 1 month

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Jupiter Ace available (for about $125?)

by sieler＠allegro.com

Hi, I received email from someone offering me a nice condition Jupiter Ace (PAL output), for about US$125. The machine may be in Australia. I have an Ace ... although I wouldn't mind a spare, I don't want one for that much money just now :) If any collector is interested in it, please email me and I'll forward your mail to the guy with the computer. thanks, Stan Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

25 years, 1 month

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MicroVAX equipment

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 12, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > One man's "classic computer" is another organization's "production > > hardware". > > I totally understand as I know someone that pays real money for them as > well, but that doesn't mean that *I* want to mess with a RA81! My knees are > worth more than the going rate! Oh no, of course not...I wouldn't suggest otherwise. Those buzzards are *painful* to move. -Dave McGuire

25 years, 1 month

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MicroVAX equipment

by healyzh＠shell1.aracnet.com

> On July 11, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > I'd say $100 max. In some ways he should be paying you to remove the > > RA81's! > > Heh. I know a guy in Baltimore who pays real $$$ for RA81 HDAs. > > One man's "classic computer" is another organization's "production > hardware". > > -Dave McGuire > I totally understand as I know someone that pays real money for them as well, but that doesn't mean that *I* want to mess with a RA81! My knees are worth more than the going rate! And that last statement is what sometimes makes this hobby almost pay for itself. Zane

25 years, 1 month

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MicroVAX equipment

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 11, Zane H. Healy wrote: > I'd say $100 max. In some ways he should be paying you to remove the > RA81's! Heh. I know a guy in Baltimore who pays real $$$ for RA81 HDAs. One man's "classic computer" is another organization's "production hardware". -Dave McGuire

25 years, 1 month

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Plato terminal

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I think you call up the telco and ask them the question and then they run some test and report back to you. >How do you find out the exact number of feet you're out from the CO? > >Peace.. Sridhar Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

25 years, 1 month

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Collecting vs. My Wife

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Regarding wives, computers, and airports Actually I live across the street from a grass airport. Unlighted no flying after dark. I've only had 1 plane crash land there and he walked up and knocked on my door during dinner. He selected our airport because he didn't want to scratch his airplane on a paved strip. The neighborhood is buying the airport for a park, instead of more houses. My wife humors me about computers mainly because I'm not adverse to boats. The other side of my house is on a lake. Regarding TZ867 and TZ857 DLT library loaders. I have one of each and want to get rid of them. Any interest? Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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Any interest in DG Aviions or an RS/6000?

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

> I've got a lead on four DG Aviions, CPUs only. They look > to be pretty clean but I didn't have much time to check them > out and there was no way to test any of them. They appeared > to be identical, but I only got to see the back label on one of > them, which was an AV 4300. > > Any interest? Are these MC88000 based? If so, they're kind of neat boxes. I'd be interested in them myself, except I'm really financially strapped myself at the moment. I recall seeing a website for someone who was interested in collecting systems like this; I think it was http://www.m88k.org or something like that. IMHO, the MC88000 based Aviion systems are kind of interesting by their obscurity, as I don't see them at all around by me. > Also, at the same place there's an RS/6000 J50. Again, just the > CPU box itself and no way of testing anything. Probably just an early MCA bus POWER based machine. Again, its kind of interesting in that I don't see IBM RISC stuff very often, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not as interesting as the Aviion stuff (if its 88000 based). > If someone is seriously interested, let me know what they might > be worth (sight unseen, I know) and I'll go back with an offer to > pick 'em up. > > They're located in Maryland, if shipping or pick-up is an issue. Wish I could afford to have you grab some of these in my stead and have them shipped! All in all, they're probably not worth a whole lot of money - they're "just" older UNIX workstations. I'd offer maybe $20-50 per, depending on condition personally in terms of just being able to pick up some new hardware. Others here will probably dispute my idea of a "fair" price, though (I'm probably a bit high off the mark). --Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) | http://www.diablonet.net

25 years, 1 month

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Collecting vs. My Wife

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

You can buy arcade controls (track balls, joy sticks, buttons, etc.) from Happ Controls http://www.happcontrols.com/. Not cheap, but they are the real thing. I have been using a track ball from them for 10 years or so. -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:28 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Collecting vs. My Wife <snip> Zane, I've got a neat little gadget called a Hotshot. It's basically wooden tabletop box that's got a pair of arcade controller joysticks and a bunch of buttons on it. <snip>

25 years, 1 month

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MicroVAX equipment

by hofmanwb＠worldonline.nl

The uVax1000 is for real time purposes. A uVax II with a level of memory management removed. Ran typically VaxEln. Last year I desperately needed one to expand an industrial control application. We found one. Wim ---------- > From: Netdiablo <ndiablo(a)diablonet.net> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: MicroVAX equipment > Date: Thursday, July 12, 2001 5:32 AM > > > It's been nearly a decade since I really dealt with MicroVAXen, > > but I came across a guy who has the following: > > > > MicroVAX 3600 > > uVAX 1000 > > RA81 (2) > > RA90 > > What on earth is a uVAX 1000? I've never heard of that before. I'm > rather curious to know! > > > and some miscellaneous cards, in four cabinets. He got them > > in as part of a truckload of de-installed equipment and doesn't > > have any idea what they're worth. I'm at a loss as to what to > > offer for them, other than (of course) the lowest possible price. > > > > Any ideas on the going rate for this type of DEC equipment? > > In all honesty, the whole lot is really worth less than $100, unless > the MicroVAX 3600 has some really nifty equipment (like a SCSI card) > in it, or that uVAX 1000 is something special, as I really don't know > what that is. > > I'm a little vague on what a RA90 is, but I know the RA81s are huge > drives, and they should probably consider themselves lucky if you're > willing to haul them away! > > > He's also got a DEC MicroServer and some VT 510's. > > VT510s are rather new terminals; they're not actually DEC designed. > These are "technically" probably worth a little bit on the terminal > market, since they're not more than a few years old (probably). On > the used market, however, how much is a relatively standard terminal > worth? > > > The guy was nice enough to give me an RL02K-DC removable > > disk pack (since he didn't know what it was or what it worked > > in), so he seems easy to deal with. (The disk pack did not > > come with the MicroVAX stuff.) > > --Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) | http://www.diablonet.net

25 years, 1 month

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Plato terminal

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> You'll never guess why I am getting two large pipe (7.1 down 1.544 > up) ADSLs installed with my /26 block 8;-) You dirty dogs! Must be nice to live within 14,000 feet of your central office... I'm 19,473 feet out, so until they build a mini-CO to hang some DSLAMs in that's closer to home, cable is my only choice, and as long as certain managers remain there, I will *not* do business with them. So I'm hosed... -dq

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KDA50's available

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

I have several (at least 3) complete KDA50s with the top connectors available. This is a two board set and lets your Q-bus based machine talk to SDI (aka RAxx series) drives. If anyone on the list wants them let me know, postage will be 3 lbs priority mail (about $6 in the continental US) Any not claimed by Monday 5pm PDT go to Ebay, and those that don't sell go into my VCF West pile. --Chuck

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Anyone have a 7 track 1/2 head assembly?

by aek＠spies.com

> The old DECer Henry W. Miller is checking on a set for me... if > he comes through, they're yours. As long as my 7-track conversions > manage to "float to the top"... thanks! I've sent some mail to John Bradtanau as well, to see if there were any 7 track head assemblies for TU10's in the stuff he still has >from the DEC FS warehouse stuff that he bought. I wonder if Tim Shoppa has anything set up for reading 7 track media. He hasn't said much on the topic, or about the techniques he had developed for one pass tape reading.

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Another batch of books, varied types

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Dang, I'd like the Zenith DOS manual, no interest in anything else in the batch... -dq -----Original Message----- From: Russ Blakeman [mailto:rhblake@bigfoot.com] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:19 AM To: Classic computers message group Subject: Another batch of books, varied types Here's a mixed 20 lb batch that the trashman will get if no takers by the night of 7/16.... Focus 6.0 User's Manual (1989) Focus 6.0 Guide to Operations (1989) Borland dBase 2.0 Language Reference (1993) Sybex- Practical Wordstar Uses (CP/M version ?) (1983) Hayden Books - Mastering WordStar (CP/M and DOS version ?) (1984) DAK Wordstar 5.5 User's Guide (yep the same DAK we brought up in a thread) (1991) Microsoft Works Reference for IBM Personal Computers (1989) Tandy - Right Writer User's Manual (1989) Symantec - Deskmate/Q&A Write User's Manual for Tandy/IBM PC (1989) Epson Equity + GW-BASIC 3.20 Manual (1986) Zenith - MS-DOS 4.0 User's Reference (1988) TimeWorks DataManager PC User's Manual for IBM PC and compats (1984) Novell Netware Basic Ops for Mac v2.2 (1991) Novell Netware Installation & Maint for Mac v.2.2 (1991) Tab Books- Mastering the 8088 Microprocessor by Lanny V. Dao (1984) Again..$5.00 for the batch to cover my time plus applicable USPS cheapest rate shipping, payable by check. MO, Billpoint or Paypal. Checks have to clear before shipping. 20 lbs, ships from zip 42726. If someone claims both batches I'll ship the whole 29 or 30 lbs as one unit to save shipping costs. First come, first serve.

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Anyone have a 7 track 1/2 head assembly?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I may be getting some 7 track tapes of some SDS 940 software, and > I'm having one heck of a time finding a 7 track drive in any condition > to build an analog-level tape reader. > > Does anyone have a 7 track head assembly that they can spare? The old DECer Henry W. Miller is checking on a set for me... if he comes through, they're yours. As long as my 7-track conversions manage to "float to the top"... It may be months before I hear back from him, though, so don't put all your eggs in *my* basket...

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Plato terminal

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I wouldn't mind trying to join in on that, can you supply dial-up #'s and > settings??? I think it would be interesting to see if we can all communicate > with one another using Plato access, I have one of the original Plato Terminal > ROM's developed by CDC for use on the Atari 800 computer system using Graphics > Mode 8 (320 X 192) No, actually, they charge for access... and I don't know of any access except over the Internet (although I imagine dial-up and leased-line is still available). I was granted access as a "distinguished visiting scholar". But if you'd like, I'll enquire as to cost of access... maybe it's affordable (i.e. $20/month). Regards, -dq

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Anyone have a 7 track 1/2 head assembly?

by aek＠spies.com

I may be getting some 7 track tapes of some SDS 940 software, and I'm having one heck of a time finding a 7 track drive in any condition to build an analog-level tape reader. Does anyone have a 7 track head assembly that they can spare?

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A classic classiccmp day...

by rwagner＠digalogsys.com

Hi Mike, Do you still need information about the 20 slot Exorbus rack? Rick Wagner Digalog Systems Inc.

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Another batch of books, varied types

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

Here's a mixed 20 lb batch that the trashman will get if no takers by the night of 7/16.... Focus 6.0 User's Manual (1989) Focus 6.0 Guide to Operations (1989) Borland dBase 2.0 Language Reference (1993) Sybex- Practical Wordstar Uses (CP/M version ?) (1983) Hayden Books - Mastering WordStar (CP/M and DOS version ?) (1984) DAK Wordstar 5.5 User's Guide (yep the same DAK we brought up in a thread) (1991) Microsoft Works Reference for IBM Personal Computers (1989) Tandy - Right Writer User's Manual (1989) Symantec - Deskmate/Q&A Write User's Manual for Tandy/IBM PC (1989) Epson Equity + GW-BASIC 3.20 Manual (1986) Zenith - MS-DOS 4.0 User's Reference (1988) TimeWorks DataManager PC User's Manual for IBM PC and compats (1984) Novell Netware Basic Ops for Mac v2.2 (1991) Novell Netware Installation & Maint for Mac v.2.2 (1991) Tab Books- Mastering the 8088 Microprocessor by Lanny V. Dao (1984) Again..$5.00 for the batch to cover my time plus applicable USPS cheapest rate shipping, payable by check. MO, Billpoint or Paypal. Checks have to clear before shipping. 20 lbs, ships from zip 42726. If someone claims both batches I'll ship the whole 29 or 30 lbs as one unit to save shipping costs. First come, first serve.

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Quicken/DOS books

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

Have a set of 6 books for the older DOS version of Quicken to find a new home for. Here's what's in it: User's Manual for IBM (version unspecified) User's Manual for IBM/DOS (version unspecified) Upgrade Manual for IBM/DOS (v 5.0) User's Guide for IBM/DOS (v 6.0) Business Uses Guide for IBM/DOS (v6.0) Que "Using Quicken 5" for IBM/DOS All in pretty decent shape except first one has tape across spine but otherwise a useful book. If no takers by Monday 7/16 the "trashman taketh"....the cost below is basically for my time for packing. How much? $5.00 for all 6 plus the applicable cheapest route mailing. Weight 10 lbs from zip 42726. Prefer to use either ebay's Billpoint ot PayPal but can also take money order or check (has to clear 5-10 days). US and Canada only.

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Plato terminal

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > This is two years late, but the terminal the original poster describes > > sounds like an IST (model 1), a CRT-based CDC product, vintage about 1978. > > There was a later edition called the IST-II, also CDC. It had two 8" drives > > and a Z-80 CPU, as well as connectivity to CDC PLATO mainframe systems, > > either by dialup modem (1200 bps) or multiplexer. > > Actually, I was the original poster; a reply to me mentioned the > terminal you're describing. I may have been incorrect in assuming the above was a reply to my post; it appears to have been otherwise.... -dq

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QBUS Board ID?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Ok, here is a stump the audience question. I've got a board that I found that was made by SMS. Its dual width, has a 50 pin header that is terminated like a SCSI connection. A boatload of chips one big one marked N8X305N A SKS8427 CT (hand lettered #4 on it) and it is a 50! pin DIP (extra wide like 900 mils vs 300 or 600) There are a bunch of PALs with various serial numbers on them, 3 LEDs on the card edge (with the 50 pin connector) and a few jumpers, one connector marked "P4" (26 pin 2 x 13, .1" spacing) about mid-board. On the back it is marked: ProG Assy: 1002049-0001 Assy No: 0004356-0001 Serial Num TS 1668 Anyway, if I plug it into my trusty VAX and do a SHO DEV it doesn't appear, but if I do a SHO QBUS I've now got what the system thinks is a TSV05 installed. This makes me wonder if it isn't a board that one can connect to a SCSI Cipher tape and get TSV05 emulation out of it. Anyone heard of this thing? --Chuck

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Collecting vs. My Wife

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >The only computer I use downstairs in my Inspiron 8000. I > >have an 802.11b subnet, so I can sit downstairs with her > >while she's watching some movie or TV show that I don't > >like without falling asleep. > > I've got a Lucent Wavelan 802.11 card in my PB 5300c but > don't use it for anything at the moment. It's only capable of the > 2Mps vice the newer 802.11b standard of 11Mbps. A lot longer range > at the slower speed though...cool cards...and cool idea. Hey, Jeff... What OS do you run on the PB5300? I'm running OS 8.1, but it's a real dog... -dq

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Stuff available in Bristol, UK

by John.Honniball＠uwe.ac.uk

Continuing my clear-out of garage, loft and spare room: Apple Two-Page Monochrome Monitor, Family M1025Z, 100-240V, with 13W3 video input connector. No manuals, cables or info on compatibility. Don't even know if it works. Sun 19" colour monitor, HM-4119-S-AA-0 built by Hitachi, Sun part number 365-1006-01. Works with Sun-3s and the like, with four BNC video inputs. Working order. Printronix P300 dot-matrix line printer. Needs cleaning, but otherwise working. Canon laser print engine. No controller, but a direct video interface to a Sun-3 VME card (included). No driver software. MIPS R4000 case and power supply only. Size of a PC tower-case, maybe slightly larger. Diablo daisywheel printer. Missing daisywheel. Altos P-system machine, twin 8-inch floppy disk drives plus 14-inch hard disk. With boot disks. Epson PC AX 286-based PC clone. Monochrome PC screen Taxan KX-123-B. DEC TU77 reel-to-reel magtape drive. Massbus interface, with formatter for DECsystem-20 (PDP-10). Calcomp 565 digital incremental drum plotter, built in 1960s. Missing pen-holder. Personal Computer World magazines, 1984/85/86 plus a few extra copies from other years. Six Seagate ST42400ND differential SCSI hard disks. 2.1Gb capacity per drive. Compaq laptop power supply, Series 2812 for use with 2810 notebook computers. VAX power supply, model H7100B, 5V, 100A. TeleVideo terminal model TVI925. TeleVideo terminal model TVI970. Acoustic hood for silencing dot-matrix printers. With fan for ventilation. All this stuff is free (although swaps are OK!) for collection in Bristol, near the M4/M5 motorways. E-mail me directly for more info on any of these items. -- John Honniball Email: John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk University of the West of England

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MicroVAX equipment

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

> It's been nearly a decade since I really dealt with MicroVAXen, > but I came across a guy who has the following: > > MicroVAX 3600 > uVAX 1000 > RA81 (2) > RA90 What on earth is a uVAX 1000? I've never heard of that before. I'm rather curious to know! > and some miscellaneous cards, in four cabinets. He got them > in as part of a truckload of de-installed equipment and doesn't > have any idea what they're worth. I'm at a loss as to what to > offer for them, other than (of course) the lowest possible price. > > Any ideas on the going rate for this type of DEC equipment? In all honesty, the whole lot is really worth less than $100, unless the MicroVAX 3600 has some really nifty equipment (like a SCSI card) in it, or that uVAX 1000 is something special, as I really don't know what that is. I'm a little vague on what a RA90 is, but I know the RA81s are huge drives, and they should probably consider themselves lucky if you're willing to haul them away! > He's also got a DEC MicroServer and some VT 510's. VT510s are rather new terminals; they're not actually DEC designed. These are "technically" probably worth a little bit on the terminal market, since they're not more than a few years old (probably). On the used market, however, how much is a relatively standard terminal worth? > The guy was nice enough to give me an RL02K-DC removable > disk pack (since he didn't know what it was or what it worked > in), so he seems easy to deal with. (The disk pack did not > come with the MicroVAX stuff.) --Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) | http://www.diablonet.net

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Collecting vs. My Wife

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 02:55 PM 7/11/01 -0700, you wrote: >>I guess that's one of the reasons I love her so >>much; she supports my computing habit (she even >>bought me my first Alpha). > >OTOH my wife says if I get the computers out of the livingroom soon she >won't kill me and scatter my bones in the desert. Thats love. She's been watching too much TV - that was a CSI plot. Get rid of the toob, use the space for pooters.

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