- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Where did the idea come from? One way or another, we always knew that > there would be a way to blame Microsoft. > > > At Foothill, along with some other stuff, I got a 1988 copy of Microsoft > Flight Simulator. The picture on the box is very stylized view of a > [small] jet flying in front of WTC! The text on the back of the box goes > on to suggest trying to fly your plane between the towers (they missed?) Until just recently, either in the sim docs, or on the web page associated with the sim, there is a table of famous landmarks by GPS coordinates, in case you want to fly into one of them. WTC is at the top of the list. -dq

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Redactron WP

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

Ahem... What is this thing ? :-) Sergio ----- Mensaje Original ----- Remitente: M H Stein <mhstein(a)usa.net> Fecha: Mi?rcoles, Octubre 17, 2001 8:42 am Asunto: Redactron WP > Redactron dual mag card WP (with one card), schematic, no printer. > Can I assume there's no interest and I can finally toss something > without feeling guilty? > > mike >

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looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile computer

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I'm looking for documentation for a 1963 minuteman missile navigation > > computer. Any leads would be appreciated. > > > *spits coffee on monitor* > > You're kidding, right? I saw one sold on E-Bay a year or so ago, there must be gobs of them in the surplus/salvage channels... Let's hope they're all bought up by domestic hobbyists... ;-) -dq

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by spedraja＠ono.com

>Right you are, Don; later became Burroughs. Picture at: >http://communities.msn.com/TeachingComputerUseandProgramming/teaching.msnw? action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=9 > >And another buenas dias, Sergio, but even without the printer I don't think you'd want to ship this baby to Spain... I see it. Oh, my God !! Regards Sergio

23 years, 6 months

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epson Q150A , i need a hard disk :)

by mouch＠imv.au.dk

Hi I am Danish Ive got a epson portable Q150A just like you. the former owner had delted the BIOS, so I whanted to know if the floppies you got is the BIOS or diagnostic software ? - and if it is meybe i could get a copy The Harddisk in my coomputer is a: JVC HARD DISK DRIVE MODEL JD3824R00-1 20MB my regards Jonas MIkkelsen

23 years, 6 months

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HP-UX items

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

Everything except the CORE INSTALL. SteveRob >From: Bob Brown <bbrown(a)harper.cc.il.us> >Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: HP-UX items >Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:10:32 -0500 > >Looks like enough for someone wanting to run hpux 10.20 on a server (not >w/s) >box to get started! > >-Bob > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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SCSI problems

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I have been using one since I got it new @ $200. Great card. They > should be <$25 now. I see them all the time at the Dayton > ComputerFest. Picked up a 1542CF almost two years ago at a MarketPro show for $19.95. -dq

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IIgs using hard disk 20

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 10/17/2001 5:10:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, geoffr(a)zipcon.net writes: << Could it have Been a Plus Systems HardCard? I know that they did a PC hardcard, I don't know about an apple II version... they were acquired? by quantum many years ago >> Applied Engineering had an internal hard drive for the GS. I forgot what it was called though.

23 years, 6 months

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IIgs using hard disk 20

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > Anyone know where I can get one of these tiny adapters? > > Doug, what size was the OMTI bridge controller? I have several of the > 3.5" form factor. If that size, do you have the model number? Yeah, they're 3.5 inch format, ISTR it had a Z-80 controller... 50-pin ribbon cable header at one end, one 34-pin control header and two 20-pin data headers at the other... I'll check the model number tonight, and get back to you tomorrow. -dq

23 years, 6 months

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looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile compute r

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Kryten is correct and it was a cleaning robot. I happen to > have two of the 'Red Dwarf' series books here. 'Red Dwarf: Better > Than Life' is one of my favorite sci-fi books, alongside '2001' and > Heinlein's 'Friday' and 'Have Spacesuit, Will Travel'. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Awesome book; the ever-present terminals in this future provide functions much like the Web does today. Quite visionary. I also think his vision of a fragmented United States will come to pass (many are ready for The Republic of California, but I dread the Midwest Kingdom). -dq

23 years, 6 months

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Toshiba T300 - last call, Toronto area

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

Hello, Mike. I'm interested about the software, mainly. If the CPU is not heavy it could be send by mail, I think. Thanks ! Sergio Pedraja Santander Spain ----- Mensaje Original ----- Remitente: M H Stein <mhstein(a)usa.net> Fecha: Mi?rcoles, Octubre 17, 2001 8:40 am Asunto: Toshiba T300 - last call, Toronto area > One gone, one awaiting its fate: T300 dual floppy PC semi- > compatible, no monitor (but std RGB OK), spare KB, 2 sets of 3 > manuals, 123 & dBII, diskettes & some tech info; also service info > & schematics for T100. Good for converting 360 to/from 600 Kb > diskettes. > Headed for landfill if no interest. > > mike >

23 years, 6 months

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Looking for TC01 drawings/manual

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Can anyone point me to a scan of the DEC TC01 tape > controller? This is the > early dectape controller used with very early PDP8 machines at least. There is a maintenance manual here: http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/dec/pdp8/ And docs for a TC01 exerciser are here: http://www.pdp8.net/pdp8docs/maindec-08-ditca-a-d.tif Antonio

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Redactron WP

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Redactron dual mag card WP (with one card), schematic, no > printer. Can I assume there's no interest and I can finally > toss something without feeling guilty? and >One gone, one awaiting its fate: T300 dual floppy PC semi-compatible, no monitor (but std >RGB OK), spare KB, 2 sets of 3 manuals, 123 & dBII, diskettes & some tech info; also >service info & schematics for T100. Good for converting 360 to/from 600 Kb diskettes. Hi, If there are no other (or nearer) takers for these items, could I have the tech manuals and schematics (and maybe diskettes?). I'll scan them if there is sufficient interest. Obviously I'll pay for shipping (surface mail). I'm in the UK otherwise I'd be interested in the hw too! Thanks Antonio carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org

23 years, 6 months

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Looking for TC01 drawings/manual

by kevin＠xpuppy.freeserve.co.uk

Can anyone point me to a scan of the DEC TC01 tape controller? This is the early dectape controller used with very early PDP8 machines at least. Kevin Murrell -------------

23 years, 6 months

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Dark Tower - any internals info out there?

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> I am pretty sure TI published a datasheet on the chip. It > gave at least > the pinout and the pin functions, it may have included the > instruction > set. I may hae some data on the chip in old TI databooks, I can check. The only reference within TI's own site (that I can find) is that the chip debuted in 1974. freetradezone has a two page sheet which has little technical information. It does say that software simulators were available for customer use as were hardware simulators. Antonio

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IIgs using hard disk 20

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I have a card in my 512 which increases memory and gives a SCSI port. > It's called a MacSnap by Dove computer, dated 1985. It actually consists of > 2 cards. One contains the memory chips aand circuitry and the other has > the SCSI socket and also 2 large chips labelled upper and lower ROMs. I'm > even able to boot off the external HDD. Great product, I used mine with a Cutting Edge 30MB external drive until the drive's piggyback OMTI SCSI <=> MFM adapter went south. Anyone know where I can get one of these tiny adapters? -dq

23 years, 6 months

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Unknown IC

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On October 15, Tony Duell wrote: > > > Ahh, the 74LS181s are ALUs, as is the 'F582. Interesting that they > > >used both. I'm curious...what kind of processor is this? > > > > Am I the only one who finds it a bit perverse that there are 74xxx standa= > > rd > > TTL circuits for such complex functions as ALUs? I thought that the way t= > > Actually, what suprises me is how _simple_ the 74181 gate schematic is > (it's published in most TTL databooks). It doesn't take that long to > understand how it works. > > In terms of the transistor count, I suspect there are TTL chips which are > more complex than the '181. The '181 is even used in the pdp11/04 and /34 if memory serves. Anyone know of any others? -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

23 years, 6 months

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Twiggy Find

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I purchased a plastic bag mixed with new and used 5 1/4 floppy diskettes and inside the middle was one of the famous "Fileware" or Twiggy diskettes with it's sleeve used with the Lisa I. I could not believe my luck as I had just watched one of these go for almost $50 dollars on eBay for just one diskette awhile back. Now I just need to find a twiggy drive or better yet a Lisa I. :-) Yes I went back to the thrift store looking for more disk but no luck. The cost of the package was $1.40 for about 20 diskettes.

23 years, 6 months

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ArcNet and the Pursuit of Multiple Topologies

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>When I installed PhoneNet stuff into my mother's all-Mac shop, it >specifically uses the yellow-black pair of standard (US) phone >wiring and the documentation explicitly shows it as such. They >even had a sort-of passive hub for your wiring closet to collate >all the black-yellow pairs for a larger (floor-sized as opposed to >room-sized) network. We had six Macs and one LaserWriter on the same >floor of a smallish retail establishment, so it wasn't a problem. >I can see networks near the edge of their physical spec falling off >a cliff, though. Yeah, phone net was designed with the idea that you would piggy back it over your existing phone wiring... the theory being that a standard house/business would be wired either all serial (one jack to the next) or in a star (all jacks coming back to a central punch block). Following this assumption, it was specifically designed to work over the unused pair (being yellow/black in standard station wiring). All PhoneNet REALLY cares about is having two wires from one box to either the next box, or to a central hub. It need not be twisted pair, and it need not be the yellow/black pair. Although, if you choose to use a different pair, either you need to make sure you wire it to the correct pins on the jack (and thus fake a y/b) or you will have to cut a custom wired flat cord as the boxes all expect the wires to be the outer two wires in an RJ-11. But there is nothing stopping you from using unused pairs in Ethernet and just use a custom flat cord (or break them out into their own jack). The single biggest problem with Phone net that I ran into was it was VERY picky over the wiring being correct. Unlike phones, you could not safely reverse pairs in a serial setup. Also, the fact that it expects there to be either serial wiring, or star wiring falls thru in most phone lines. And even depending on the unused pairs wasn't a surefire idea. In every Phone net system I installed, I was forced to do some degree of rewiring, or correcting the wiring. POTS phones are very forgiving to poor wiring, and many telco installers use that as an excuse to be lazy. In almost all POTS phone setups you will find some degree of "non spec", things like unused pairs not being connected, reversing pairs, mixing star and serial wiring, tapping mid line into a drop to extend for a new jack. Tapping was DEATH to phone net, it was the single worst thing you could do, as it caused things like ghosting (items showing up after they have been removed, or showing up more than once on the network), and random dropouts of networked devices. It also proved hard to track, as you almost had to physically trace every wire, looking for a tap. But all things considered, phone net was a much more econimical way of wiring a localtalk network. True localtalk cables were very expensive compared to cheap 2 pair phone cable, so even with rewiring, it still worked out to be the less expensive way to go. Even today, phone net works as a nice quick and dirty network when all you want is printer sharing. I keep a 25ft retractable cord and phonenet connectors connected to a Localtalk to Ethernet bridge. It lets me connect old Macs to the network (or my Newton) on the fly, and I can set it up anywhere in my office. When I am done, I just unhook the phonenet box, and let go, the retractable cord rewinds and pulls the box back to my hub shelf, where it hangs waiting for my next use. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 6 months

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IIgs using hard disk 20

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> BUT... predating that was a "Macintosh Hard Disk 20" that was not scsi. > Rather is was some drive (don't know what kind, but MFM seems sensible > enough) that used a special adaptor board that enabled it to plug into > the disk drive port on a bunch of the older macs. It was all enclosed > (drive, power supply, adaptor board) in one nice zero footprint beige > case (back when beige meant brown, and not grey like "beige" computers of > today). In spite of the now long-extant senility, I seem to recall that these interfaces through the serial port, not the floppy port. Regards, -dq

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looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile computer

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On October 16, Gene Buckle wrote: > > According to at least one movie I watched the part that is critical are > > some special triacs so that each charge can be detonated within a fairly > > tight time window. > > Klystron(?) I might be wrong though. I keep thinking it begins with a > "K". For the gun type, all bets are off - it's a _much_ simpler design. That would be "krytron". A Klystron is a microwave oscillator tube. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

23 years, 6 months

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AIM65 items in Toronto

by paul＠orchard.wccnet.org

M H Stein: I asked about possible 6502 and 68000 items you mentioned on this list, but I never heard a reply from you. Is the AIM65 stuff still available? Paul R. Santa-Maria Monroe, Michigan USA

23 years, 6 months

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SCSI problems

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

A friend has a 9 gig Seagate drive and an Adaptec 1542C card and is having a helluva time getting it to work with a late model motherboard. boots okay from an IDE drive, but the aforementioned setup hangs almost every time. Do you know of an incompatibility with the drive and card; i.e. too much drive for the scsi bios to understand??? Gary Hildebrand

23 years, 6 months

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ArcNet and the Pursuit of Multiple Topologies

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 16, 9:33, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > Now I'm thinking that the "T" in "10BaseT", "100BaseT4", etc. and the T in > > the line capacities "T-1", "T-2", etc. are the same thing. > > Is that true? > > I thought the 'T' in 'T1' stood for "trunk", as in trunk line... That seems very likely, given that it was invented by AT&T in the late 50's/early 60's. I'm fairly sure that's what they used the technology for originally. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 6 months

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Fwd: [GreenKeys] Need help in the Denver area

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me(a)brouhaha.com> is in trouble in the Denver area, if anyone can help... - John >Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:16:28 -0700 >To: greenkeys(a)qth.net >From: Don Robert House <drhouse(a)nadcomm.com> >Subject: [GreenKeys] Need help in the Denver area >Sender: owner-greenkeys(a)qth.net >Reply-To: Don Robert House <drhouse(a)nadcomm.com> > >Eric Smith is driving coast to coast to deliver some rare computer and teletype equipment. The U-Haul truck broke both rear springs. He needs to off load the truck in the Denver area and make arrangements to come back later with a different truck. Is there anyone out there that can help us out? >Eric's cell phone is: (408) 838 3733 > >Thanks for any leads, > >Don >-------------------------------------------------------- >Don Robert House, N.S.E. >Curator, NADCOMM >North American Data Communications Museum >3841 Reche Road >Fallbrook, CA 92028-3810 >760-723-9943 Office >760-723-9984 FAX >URL: http://www.nadcomm.org >e-mail: drhouse(a)nadcomm.org > > >---- >Submissions: greenkeys(a)qth.net

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Dark Tower - any internals info out there?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Does anyone know if there is any info to be had about how the innards >of games like Dark Tower function. I've never seen inside one but I >presume there's a custom chip that's a microprocessor, RAM and ROM >all rolled into one, for cost reasons. I think I still have mine, and in working condition. Although I would not be willing to part with it (thus why I think I still have it), I CAN open it and send some digital pics of the chips. Maybe even draw out some schematics. I would guess that based on its age, there is nothing fancy in there. Probably a simple eeprom or something for storing your stats, and everything else was probably random gates (fighting, spinning, whathaveyou). As far as "emulation" goes, I would think you could just write it from the ground up following the rules of the game. Although, it wouldn't be a true emulation, it would make it playable (and you could do it networked EASY... now THAT would be a cool internet based game!) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 6 months

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ArcNet and the Pursuit of Multiple Topologies

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 12, 13:46, Eric J. Korpela wrote: > Just wired the house with Cat-5 this week. 10bT has the advantage that it's > also 100bT with a change of equipment. (ISTR that you can use the > unused pair in the cable for LocalTalk, but I haven't yet tried it). That's true, you can run all sorts of things over Cat5 "structured wiring", in fact that's the point of structured wiring. 10baseT uses two pairs (pins 1+2, 3+6), the phone uses the centre pair (pins 4+5). ISDN uses all four pairs. Serial lines use either the middle pairs (for Tx/Rx) or all four (DTR/DSR, Tx, Rx, RTS/CTS) if they follow the DEC (and other) system. Some use the same pairs as Ethernet (which means a crossover cable for Ethernet also works as a null-modem for Tx/Rx on serial lines). 100baseTX uses the same pairs as 10baseT. You're not supposed to run a phone line (pins 4+5) on the same cable as an Ethernet (pins 1+2, 3+6); it breaks the spec. However, you'll normally get away with it with 10baseT, and it *may* work for 100baseTX over short distances. It certainly won't work for 100baseT4 (does anybody still have any of that?) or 1000baseTX (Gigabit) because they use all four pairs. Nevertheless, you can buy little boxes which are essentially a Y-piece for phone+10baseT -- you need one at each end of the cable. They consist of a small box with two RJ45 sockets and a short Cat 5 lead ending in an RJ45 plug. You can also get similar boxes to combine/separate two 10baseT signals (they move the second signal from pins 1+2 and 3+6 onto 4+5 and 7+8) and ones to simply double up the sockets (pin 1 to pin 1 to pin 1; ... ; pin 8 to pin 8 to pin 8) which are sometimes used for ISDN. For some reason they tend to be different prices, and all overpriced (over here they cost ?8 - ?15, though you can make one for about ?3 including the cost of the box to put the PCB in). I'd be wary of running Localtalk over a cable carying a phone or Ethernet signal. Again, it might work, but it will probably generate interference which might be hard to track down -- I write from experience[1]. Better to use one cable for one service at a time. The real reason for using different pairs for different services is partly serendipity, and partly to avoid damage if you plug the wrong device into a cable which is already connected to something incompatible at the other end. In my workshop and study I have quite a lot of Cat5 (actually Cat5e, the Cat5 standard is officially obsolete) which I use for 10baseT, 100baseTX, serial lines, ISDN, a phone line, and even the audio to the speakers. I'm about to add a couple of Econet adapters, and I'll probably use it for some LocalTalk (PhoneTalk) when I get round to sorting out the non-Ethernet Macs. [1] More than one bad experience, but exemplified by the occasion when I had to make a trip to Northern Ireland with a couple of technical staff >from Acorn to visit some schools who had networking problems. The school staff insisted everything was done to the standard, but it turned out that their erratic network problems were due to putting LocalTalk down the existing network cables. It had worked for a while, but when they extended the networks, both suffered. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 6 months

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Dark Tower Pics

by mythtech＠Mac.com

A few pics of the controller to Dark Tower have been posted. You can find them at <http://www.mythtech.net/darktower>. (Pic #28 is missing, it is the same as 29, just out of focus). The board is about 7" x 3" (17.5cm x 7.5cm) There isn't a whole lot on it. 3 lights down the middle that are socketed, an LED digit display, a pair of LEDs (IR send and recieve, it is used with the picture disc to determine what pictures are facing out), there are a handful of resistors, a few Capacitors, 3 transitors (9112 D 07; 9113 D 05; NP2 3704) a choke coil, 2 diodes, and 3 ICs. The 3 ICs are all Texas Instuments, photos of them are on the web site (I made sure you could read the numbers, but they are upside down right now) The two connector looking things on the very end of the board opposite the LED digit display... are in fact connectors. The white one tied to the motor, speaker, and batteries, and the black one tied to the push button panel for user interaction (the push buttons are a flat 3 x 4 pressure panel connected to the board by a ribbon cable.) That is about it. I will try to draw up some basic schematics later (I'm a little busy at work right now, hopefully I will get to it later this week, or maybe next week). I don't know if I will be able to do any testing of my unit. When I opened it I found batteries had been left it in, and leaked. There is some pretty bad corrosion of the largest IC where the battery acid dripped on it. I am hoping it will still work when I clean it and put it all back together, but there is a chance it has been damaged. Also, the LED digits have suffered some damage (the laminate cover is peeling back >from corrosion) I will post again when I have the schematics done. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 6 months

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Collections vs. accumulations, was Re: How many collectors?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

For me, There is only one criteria for collecting - does it pique my interest in some way? If it does, I'll add it to my classic computer collection, and proceed to use it, for something... :-) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Hans Franke [mailto:Hans.Franke@mch20.sbs.de] ! Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 3:10 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: Collections vs. accumulations, was Re: How many ! collectors? ! ! ! > >Vintage computer collecting is really no different from ! many other forms of ! > >collecting, its simply less common. ! ! > >Vintage car buffs clearly are more advanced in their ! restoration and repair ! ! > >Firearms collecting (in the USA) is probably the most ! similar form of ! ! > >In all these forms of collecting, as well as stamps, ! coins, and any antiques, ! ! > Two basic types of collector, those who assemble sets of ! items of value, ! > whose value is enhanced by completeness of the set, and ! those who collect ! > examples of fine craftsmanship and items of special merit ! compared to there ! > contemporaries. Most of my favorite systems I would be collecting ! > regardless if they are rare or common. Things I hunt down ! mostly because ! > they are rare, often prove much less satisfying to own than ! to look for. ! ! Well, I still go for a variation of Murphey's law, which I found ! to fit at least my experiance: ! ! As soon as you aquired someting you belive to be truly rate and ! unique, A second incarnation will popup close thereafter. ! ! And as a bylaw it's stated: ! ! The price asked for the second item is as lower as more you did ! spend on the first. ! ! I got again the proof right after I returned last week: ! ! This summer I found a original tool box for a BF 109 figher ! (basicly a big wooden chest), and I payed a premium to haul ! it home ... now a good friend of mine, which I was teasing ! with my find literaly stumbeled across exact the same chest ! in an old basement - and got it for free! ! ! Well. ! ! Gruss ! H. ! ! -- ! VCF Europa 3.0 am 27./28. April 2002 in Muenchen ! http://www.vcfe.org/ !

23 years, 6 months

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New aquisitions: PCjr (minus power supply) and Amstrad PC 6400

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>To make this perfectly clear, I need the external 110VAC to 16.7VAC >part, not the internal AC->DC part. well, it has been a while since I looked at one, but if I understand you, you want the big black external brick that goes between house current and a small round power plug on the PCjr... right? That is what I think I have one or two of still kicking around. The one I was picturing in my mind (and why I was thinking of an odd right angle plug), was a power brick to an old HP Deskwriter... I realized that about an hour ago, when I kicked the HP brick that was sitting on my floor. Now, the problem is, I might have been thinking of the HP brick when I was thinking I might have a PCjr power brick... but I will still look, just to make sure. (If I have a PCjr one, I know where it would be, it is just a matter of getting to it) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 6 months

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SCSI problems

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Not to mention that you can't get a refund, you pay $5 or $6 to get in > whether you buy or not, and you may never see the same vendore ever again. > Most "new" stuff are factory seconds/refurbs and they don't tell you that > the warranty doesn't apply (saw one guy pulling the "refurb" stickers off > boxes at one iI went to in Louisville last year) Not all of the vendors are > crooks but there sure is a high percentage. Well, I bought a membership and expensed it out to $CURRENT_EMPLOYER, and they pay for the parking too... but generally you'd be right. There is one motherboard seller selling refurbs, clearly marked, and ditto as maybe or maybe not functional. But a few things do carry a warranty, and I see the same faces and company names almost every time (especially the non-hardware guys like Hacker Hut). At least 50% of the vendors are local and have storefront operations. Russ, are you in Fort Knox? I see you mention the area from time to time, we should get together sometime for a pizza at Impellizeri's... -dq

23 years, 6 months

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RS6000 7012-320H

by ken＠seefried.com

>If the internal disk is SCSI, you could attach it to any other system >(for example Linux), and write a utility that goes through the raw >disk looking for 'root:$[^:]*$:0:0:' and replace it with 'root::0:0:\1' Good thought, but it's not quite that easy. As I recall, AIX defaults to the JFS file system. This is an IBM proprietary, journalized filesystem, and would not be trivial to "write a utility" to safely modify it. Standard Linux (or any other Unix, for that matter) will not recognize it. Luckily, there is a Linux port of JFS (http://oss.software.ibm.com/jfs/). I dunno if it will mount a native JFS filesystem from a legacy AIX box, but it should show you what you need to do to get started. Oh, yeah...AIX stores passwords in /etc/security, or somesuch odd directory. Wants to be a TCB, but isn't really a TCB. I liked and respected AIX...but then I didn't pretend it was really Unix. Ken

23 years, 6 months

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Semi-OT : 4063 pinout

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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Looking for 1990s manuals/software

by vcf＠vintage.org

I need the following software packages for a project I'm working on: Aldus Freehand 2.0 Aldus Freehand 3.0 Adobe After Effects 3.0 Macromedia Sound Edit 16 1.0 I would prefer the whole software package but at a minimum I need the manuals. Please contact me directly at <sellam(a)vintage.org> if you've got them. Thanks! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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SCSI problems

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Chad etched into stone for all eternity: > Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > Picked up a 1542CF almost two years ago at a MarketPro show for $19.95. > > > > We had a Market Pro show here once or twice. They had nothing that I > wanted. It was almost all new stuff and the prices were kind of high. > > The show I go to here in Michigan is called A1 Supercomputer sales, I > think. It is a locally run ( I think) chain of shows. They usually > have a good mix of new and used. The more used, the better for me :-) They do tend to be high, new Americans seeking their fortunes... but a few people carry surplus stuff, and it tends to be priced better if it isn't so decript as to be not worth buying (but perhaps worth picking up off the trash pile). I picked up VB 5 Pro a few years back for $50, and VC++ 5 for the same. But one vendor screwed me out of a academic VB package that came with NT; he had it priced for $50, I made the mistake of asking if it was for real, and immediately it became not so. -dq

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"Early" 3.5" diskettes (was: Wired covers VCF east

by mbg＠world.std.com

Allison, I'll have to show you the machine... maybe you could identify the drive right off without having to open the case. For a preview, check out the wired.com article pictures... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile computer

by technos＠nerdland.org

On Monday, October 15, 2001 9:25 PM, Carlos Murillo [SMTP:cmurillo@emtelsa.multi.net.co] wrote: > Rocket science is in the rocket engine. Navigation is > not that hard, comparatively... > When all you have to navigate with is a computer that takes a full second to multiply and a telescope that could probably only sense the horizon it gets a bit harder.. Jim > At 03:12 PM 10/15/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Let's hope they're all bought up by domestic hobbyists... > > > >;-) > > > >-dq > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

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Philbrick?

by mranalog＠home.com

Sat, Oct 13th John Allain wrote: > I appreciate all the responses. > So why computor tubes and not computer? > I guess it's possible that the tubes were replacements > and weren't spec with what GAP meant to use. Since I didn't know the answer I asked someone who was a Philbrick employee from 1949 to 1966. "Hi, Doug: The standard rationale was that the purpose of the spelling was to differentiate between machines that did computing and people who were employed to do so. For example, my wife's roommate, in the early days of her post-college life, had a math degree and was employed at MIT's Whirlwind lab as a "computer", doing computing tasks that were too complex for the digital machines then existing. However, I think that George really invented the term (a) because it was attention-getting, (b) to differentiate his product from the competition, and (c) because he always liked to do things a little differently and more creatively than the next guy." ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog =========================================

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looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile computer

by jtinker＠coin.org

Wow, even a users group! This is great. The boards are beautifully done, discrete logic, and dipped in a conformal coating. Each transistor or diode has its own serial number, which I assume provides traceability to quality control. The card cage is cylindrical, and surrounds where the "stabile platform" would go, except they were removed before the computers were surplused, for reasons of secrecy. I heard once that the whole thing cost about $1/2 million, half for the computer and half for the stabile platform. There is a port in the card cage where a telescope on the stabile platform gets to look out at something, presumably the sun or stars. Thanks for the info, John Tinker 10/15/01 3:02:34 PM, "Peter C. Wallace" <pcw(a)mesanet.com> wrote: >On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 jtinker(a)coin.org wrote: > >> I'm looking for documentation for a 1963 minuteman missile navigation >> computer. Any leads would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> John Tinker >> >> >> > > >I have a little info if it's the D17B (1962) > >(from "Proceedings of the minuteman computer users group" Tulane Univ >1973) > >Type: Serial synchronous > >Number system: Fractional binary fixed point 2's complemant > >Logic levels: 0V = false, -10V = true > >Data word length: 11 or 24 (double precision) > >Instruction length: 24 bits > >Intructions: 39 > >Maximum I/O words/Second: 25600 > >Execution times: add ~78 uSec, multiply ~546 uSec, Double prec multiply >~1015 uSec > > >Memory: 24 bits + 3 timing bits >Type: Oxide coated disk >cycle time ~78 uSec >Capacity 5454 words 2727 double prec (24 bit). > >I/O: 43 digital lines, 31 pulse type, 12 analog (from 3 8 bit A-D) > program I/O 800 5 bit c/s > > >Size: 20" high x 29" diameter > >Power 28VDC +- 1V @ 17 A > >Circuits: DTL+DRL double copperclad gold plated glass fiber laminate >with polyurethane conformal coat > > > >The newer D37C (1964) is mostly the same except has a larger disk and more >instructions > >Peter Wallace >Mesa Electronics > >

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Almost Free, for pick up only in Michigan MicroPDP11/73

by fernande＠internet1.net

Hello All, Please respond privately.... this is going to two lists. I have a Micro PDP11 that I would like move to a new home. It is an 11/73 that uses the CPU board from the 11/83. It is the 18mhz J11 CPU with FPU (M8190-AE). It currently has 2megs of ECC memory, although I have about 3megs worth of parity that could be swapped in instead. Various other boards are included (no scsi boards :-) It is in the tower mounted BA23. The case is clean, but has a few flaws.... scratches and the base is cracked, and one of the little horns? where the back cover fits it cracked. Overall the case looks very nice. The steel chassis itself could use a vacuum, However. I could get into he ROM with a terminal, but never got it to boot from the RD54 HD. It complained of a bad controller (m7555). I have spares, but never tried them. It could be the drive as this particular PDP11 has a bad history with drives according to the documentation that came with it. The main reason I would like to move this on, is because I don't have the time to learn about it. I know nothing of the PDP11 OS's. Plus I have a Vax that I would like to get working, and lots of other little projects. In the subject line, I state "almost free". I do have some money in it, and would like to recoup at least some of it, so I'd like to get $40 for it. That's certainly much lower than what it would fetch on Ebay. I live in Battle Creek, MI. It's right off of I94 about 1/2 way in between Detroit and Chicago. Here is the info on the cpu board from the field guide: M8190-AE KDJ11-BF Q/U 11/83-84 CPU J11 CPU 18MHz with 2 boot & M8190-AE diagnostic ROMs, FPJ11-AA. M8190-AE Refs: EK-KDJ1B-UG, uNOTE N#025, N#030, N#035, N#039 Thanks, Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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IIgs using hard disk 20

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Sometimes I have to power cycle the whole thing to get it to boot, do >I'm thinking that the drive might be going bad. If it doesn't boot when you first turn it on, you might not have let it come up to speed fully. It takes a good 20-30 seconds to come up to speed before you can turn the mac on. The drive light will turn on, then start blinking steady, after about 20 seconds, you will hear the drive click a whole lot, and the light will blink rapidly for about 2 seconds... after that, it is up to speed and safe to turn on the Mac and try booting. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile computer

by technos＠nerdland.org

On Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:55 AM, Gene Buckle [SMTP:geneb@deltasoft.com] wrote: > > > For the gun type, all bets are off - it's a _much_ simpler design. > > > > > > I wonder what kind of yeild you'd get using a .50 diameter bullet against > > > a 1.00 diameter target. (inches) > > > > The answer is 0. The ISTR that the critical radius for U235 is about 9 cm. > > For plutonium, the critical radius is about 5 cm. Plutonium doesn't work > > too well in the gun types, so you would tend to get a small but extremely > > messy explosion even with a critical assembly. > > > > There are tricks to getting the critical radius down to lower values... > > > Hmmm. Well, like I said, I'm not a weapon designer. I don't even play > one on TV. :) > > (does the trick involve Tritium, or is that just a yield enhancer for > implosion types?) > > g. > Naw.. Neutron generators.. Basically a golfball sized device that spits off tons of neutrons.

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Unidentified device: trans lux teleprinter

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Strange.... Trans-Lux was the name of a chain of long-gone movie theaters... -dq -----Original Message----- From: McFadden, Mike [mailto:mmcfadden@cmh.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 11:17 AM To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' Subject: Unidentified device: trans lux teleprinter I came across a terminal that was labeled Trans Lux Teleprinter, The case is blue and there is a multicolored keyboard, some red, blue and white keys. I have tried google and altavista web searches with out any luck. I haven't taken the pile of computers apart to look at the name plate. Any knowledge about this device? Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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IIgs using hard disk 20

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Doug: > > It was through the floppy port. It used a special boot > disk with a "HD20" init to make it work. > > I haven't opened mine recently, but the drive only had one I/F > connector on it but I can't remember the pin count. I could > look tonight. Aging is a terrible price to pay for maturity... :-( -dq

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IIgs using hard disk 20

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Louis Schulman [mailto:louiss@gate.net] ! ! Won't work, simply because the floppy port on the GS doesn't ! have the firmware to support the HD20, while ! the early Macs did. But there are many better hard drive ! options for a GS, anyway. ! ! Louis ! ! On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:39:02 -0400, Chris wrote: ! ! #Does anyone know if an Apple IIgs can use an old Macintosh ! #Hard Disk 20. The Mac HD is NOT scsi, but rather uses the ! #disk drive port on a Mac. It ... Louis --- Umm, okay, what are those other HDD options? I'm curious... :-) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Unidentified device: trans lux teleprinter

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

> I came across a terminal that was labeled Trans Lux Teleprinter, The case > is blue and there is a multicolored keyboard, some red, blue and white > keys. I have tried google and altavista web searches with out any luck. > I haven't taken the pile of computers apart to look at the name plate. > Any knowledge about this device? > > Mike > mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu >

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HP1000F/2117F

by Joseph.Salamido＠tobyhanna.army.mil

Skipped content of type multipart/alternative

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Information Please -- HP 13037D Storage Control Unit

by Joseph.Salamido＠tobyhanna.army.mil

Skipped content of type multipart/alternative

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IIgs using hard disk 20

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Doug: It was through the floppy port. It used a special boot disk with a "HD20" init to make it work. I haven't opened mine recently, but the drive only had one I/F connector on it but I can't remember the pin count. I could look tonight. Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:41 AM To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' Subject: RE: IIgs using hard disk 20 > BUT... predating that was a "Macintosh Hard Disk 20" that was not scsi. > Rather is was some drive (don't know what kind, but MFM seems sensible > enough) that used a special adaptor board that enabled it to plug into > the disk drive port on a bunch of the older macs. It was all enclosed > (drive, power supply, adaptor board) in one nice zero footprint beige > case (back when beige meant brown, and not grey like "beige" computers of > today). In spite of the now long-extant senility, I seem to recall that these interfaces through the serial port, not the floppy port. Regards, -dq

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looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile computer

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> At 11:43 PM 10/14/01 -0400, you wrote: > >On Monday, October 15, 2001 9:25 PM, Carlos Murillo wrote: > >> Rocket science is in the rocket engine. Navigation is > >> not that hard, comparatively... > > > >When all you have to navigate with is a computer that takes > >a full (milli)second to multiply and a telescope that could probably > >only sense the horizon it gets a bit harder.. > > Agreed. But at this point in time, navigation algorithms that > are sufficiently precise can be developed/recreated by (almost) > anyone with a phd in control theory. Rocket engine science is > lots harder, because it is still a (largely) experimental affair. True. Despite development over 40 years, witness the recent death of the Linear Aerospike. Although in fairness, the engine is working fine, it's the fuel tanks that we still don't know how to build... -dq

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SCSI problems

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> A friend has a 9 gig Seagate drive and an Adaptec 1542C card and is > having a helluva time getting it to work with a late model > motherboard. > boots okay from an IDE drive, but the aforementioned setup > hangs almost > every time. > > Do you know of an incompatibility with the drive and card; > i.e. too much > drive for the scsi bios to understand??? The card has trouble with high transfer rates. The on-board BIOS allows you to limit that to 5MB/s; when I slowed it down to that, it worked fine for me. YMMV (rather, HMMV), etc... -dq

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ArcNet and the Pursuit of Multiple Topologies

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Now I'm thinking that the "T" in "10BaseT", "100BaseT4", etc. and the T in > the line capacities "T-1", "T-2", etc. are the same thing. > Is that true? I thought the 'T' in 'T1' stood for "trunk", as in trunk line... -dq

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IBM unit record (punched card, tabulating machine) docs

by mhstein＠usa.net

Some real vintage (although "computer" would be stretching it) docs looking for a GOOD home: IBM 402/403 & associated peripherals manuals & some schematics. mike

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looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile computer

by jtinker＠coin.org

I'm looking for documentation for a 1963 minuteman missile navigation computer. Any leads would be appreciated. Thanks, John Tinker

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IIgs using hard disk 20

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 10/15/01 10:41:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mythtech(a)Mac.com writes: << There are two different products with the name Hard Disk 20. One is the Apple Hard Disk 20 SC and it is a SCSI device. There were also 40, 80 and I think 160 mb versions (and maybe others in larger sizes). BUT... predating that was a "Macintosh Hard Disk 20" that was not scsi. Rather is was some drive (don't know what kind, but MFM seems sensible enough) that used a special adaptor board that enabled it to plug into the disk drive port on a bunch of the older macs. It was all enclosed (drive, power supply, adaptor board) in one nice zero footprint beige case (back when beige meant brown, and not grey like "beige" computers of today). They are two totally different drives, sold at two different time periods (although, I do believe they overlapped for a while, until the SCSI version completely replaced the disk drive version). -chris >> I have a couple of those hard disk 20s that still work, one was recovered >from a trash bin with a professor's work still intact! I have a mac128, but has an aftermarket board in it that upgrades it to a plus class machine, but I do know it works just fine with the 512k models I have. even though it's 20 meg, disk access is only about as fast as the floppy drive. -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto, barbie's rocket motorhome and more at: www.nothingtodo.org

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IIgs using hard disk 20

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>> was designed to work with older non scsi macs (128k 512k), and could be >> daisy chained thru the disk drive ports > >Are you SURE? I have an HD20 which works just fine on a Plus, but which I >have NEVER been able to make work on a 128k. My 512k has video problems >and I haven't had a chance to sort those out so I can test the HD20 on it. I was almost 100% positive that I once had it working on a 128k, but a search of apple's TIL shows that the HD20 works with the 512ke, Plus, SE, Classic, IIci, and Portable... so I guess I never took it lower than my Plus (I never owned either of the 512's). This is going to be a head scratcher for me for some time... I distinctly remember hooking it up to my 128. (I can picture sitting in front of the table working on it... I guess I must have failed in my attempts, but I could have sworn I was successful) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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IIgs using hard disk 20

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I think I've got an old Hard Disk 20 and it's a SCSI device. I'll have to >find >the lid to see what it says on it, though. It seems to me that it's an >old MFM >drive with a customed up SCSI bridge adapter on it. There are two different products with the name Hard Disk 20. One is the Apple Hard Disk 20 SC and it is a SCSI device. There were also 40, 80 and I think 160 mb versions (and maybe others in larger sizes). BUT... predating that was a "Macintosh Hard Disk 20" that was not scsi. Rather is was some drive (don't know what kind, but MFM seems sensible enough) that used a special adaptor board that enabled it to plug into the disk drive port on a bunch of the older macs. It was all enclosed (drive, power supply, adaptor board) in one nice zero footprint beige case (back when beige meant brown, and not grey like "beige" computers of today). They are two totally different drives, sold at two different time periods (although, I do believe they overlapped for a while, until the SCSI version completely replaced the disk drive version). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Rescue / Sale in AZ: PET, Tandy, Apple, PC

by bigfish＠bluefrognet.net

I am interested in the 3m thermofaxes. are they still avail? I will contribute$$$$$$$. please advise, Gordon Link

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looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile computer

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I have seen the boards out of one of the minutemen missile computers. IIRC they are very interesting Boards composed of discrete components. Anyone who has a full computer is very lucky. I would consider it to be an extremely rare collectable. The Boards that I saw were about 4"X6" and heavily plated in gold then lacquered. They are very pretty. I would love to see a whole computer. Paxton Astoria, OR

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IIgs using hard disk 20

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I don't think the one that he's talking about is SCSI, it plugs directly into the floppy port on a Mac 128k or Mac 512K. ISTR, using one on a newer Mac Plus instead of a SCSI drive as I needed something of that formfactor and that was all I could get my hands on at the time. Based on how it's used, I'm guessing you're right about it being a MFM drive, but I suspect it's some wierd sort of bridge in it. Zane > I think I've got an old Hard Disk 20 and it's a SCSI device. I'll have to find > the lid to see what it says on it, though. It seems to me that it's an old MFM > drive with a customed up SCSI bridge adapter on it. > > Dick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris" <mythtech(a)Mac.com> > To: "Classic Computer" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 2:39 PM > Subject: IIgs using hard disk 20 > > > > Does anyone know if an Apple IIgs can use an old Macintosh Hard Disk 20. > > The Mac HD is NOT scsi, but rather uses the disk drive port on a Mac. It > > was designed to work with older non scsi macs (128k 512k), and could be > > daisy chained thru the disk drive ports (at one point, I think I had 3 HD > > 20s and a 400k drive connected to my 128k Mac). > > > > The IIgs has a disk drive port, and visually, the 3.5" drive I have for > > it looks just like the 3.5" drive I have off an old Mac Classic (I have > > to go off visual, as the one from the Classic has no labels or other > > markers beyond the apple logo... don't know why, that is the way it was > > when it was given to me). > > > > I was hoping maybe they used the same ports, and I might be able to use > > the HD 20 with my IIgs so I can add a hard drive to it. > > > > Anyone info would be great. > > > > > > > > -chris > > > > <http://www.mythtech.net> > > > > >

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looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile computer

by cmurillo＠emtelsa.multi.net.co

Rocket science is in the rocket engine. Navigation is not that hard, comparatively... At 03:12 PM 10/15/01 -0400, you wrote: >Let's hope they're all bought up by domestic hobbyists... > >;-) > >-dq -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

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Need info/manuals/software - Microtest 14 CD Dicport Tower

by rhblakeman＠kih.net

Anyone have one of these in use and could possibly be a source for a copy of the manual, disks, etc? Just bought one on auction but of course no docs or software and this is NOT SCSI to the server, it works on the LAN and has SCSI drives in it. Even if someone can send me the manual so I can scan or copy it and send it back that would be great too and maybe I might have something excess here (besdies actual cash to pay the shipping and materials back) to express my thanks. Russ Blakeman Clarkson, KY USA

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Cromemco Pick-up on 10-13-01

by mhstein＠usa.net

John, Gee, just dumpstered 3 System 3's and 2 CS100's; since we're now shipping all our Toronto garbage to Michigan, ya coulda stopped at the dump on your way back & picked them up as well :-) However, although the rest of the chassis (2xCS420, 2xCS300, 1xCS2H, 3xCS1H, 1xSystem3, 1xZ2, BRZII, C5 etc., and nice and clean at that), will probably have to go as well 'cause nobody wants to come up here to the frozen north, the cards, manuals & software may be around a little longer, so let me know if ya need anything. mike ---------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 18:54:05 -0500 From: "John R. Keys Jr." <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> Subject: Cromemco Pick-up on 10-13-01 This pass Saturday was a long drive MN to IL (12 hours total drive time) to pick up 2- Cromemco System Three's, a Systemv CS-300, one new in the box KB for these systems, lots of manuals and software for them, a Cipher 1600BPI tape unit, a model BRZ-III fan for the units, and some parts. All will have to be cleaned up as they are pretty dirty and need some loving care. The guy had over 1600sq feet of computer stuff he is selling most on eBay.:-( At a local thrift I got some Sega master stuff, like the 3D glasses that have been selling on eBay for $50, I got mine for a couple dollars. Got a Virtual Boy system for $11.99. Got some Atari 2600 stuff also they were selling cartridges for 80 cents and they had two big boxes full. Now I will start the clean-up and entering all the info into the database (my paper notebooks). Keep computing John

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TO8 soundchip

by optimus＠canit.se

What was the sound chip in the Thomson TO8? -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.

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Burroughs E6000

by mhstein＠usa.net

Ah, yes, remember them well, and the mechanical B series they replaced; might even still have some parts and ledger cards... Those were the days, programming with metal punches and tweaking and debugging with a file... made great desks when they were scrapped... But while on this topic, anybody out there doing anything with Burroughs L series or B80/90 systems? Have tossed most of it out, but still have some cards, manuals and a cassette drive with controller if anyone's at all interested. And of course some paper and mylar tape stuff... And some Burroughs calculator manuals, mechanical and electronic.. mike ---------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 17:29:07 -0500 From: "Patrick L. Boland" <plboland(a)home.com> Subject: Re: Burroughs E6000 As late as 1977 ! was using two Burroughs E6000 computers to perform the function of loan payment application. The loans were for health club membership in the Chicago area and a great deal of the rest of the upper midwest area. We had over 50,000 loans outstanding at any time and processed from 1,000 to 3,000 loan payments a day. The machines we had were magnetic stripe ledger card readers and they would punch an output card with the results of the processing of the transaction. The latest information about the loan kept on a master deck of cards was replaced with the card that was punched as a result of the transaction on the E6000. The update was performed on a daily basis using the 085 sorter and a reproducer/collater. During the last 8 to 12 months of the use of the E6000, while a conversion was being worked on, we used only one E6000 and kept the other one for spare parts. Burroughs had run out of spare parts.

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SCSI Info requested by David Woyciesjes

by jismay＠agamemnon.unixboxen.net

I have mirrored the three scsi documents to my own site. I will keep them up and available for the forseeable future. http://agamemnon.unixboxen.net/scsi

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Unknown IC

by jdonogh1＠prodigy.net

Anybody know what a 74F582 is? 24-pin DIP, it's on a processor board along with several 74LS181's and various others. Thanks.

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Dark Tower - any internals info out there?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>> I think I still have mine, and in working condition. Although I would not >> be willing to part with it (thus why I think I still have it), I CAN open >> it and send some digital pics of the chips. Maybe even draw out some >> schematics. > >That would be helpful. Ok, I will stop by my parents house tonight and pick mine up. Then tomorrow when I am supposed to be working (who wants to work when you can goof off), I will take it apart and take some pics. I will do what I can for schematics (I'm not an EE, just a hobbiest, so they might not be pretty, but I will try to make them correct). Although I am sure they will laugh hysterically, have you thought of contacting the game manufacturer? (Don't recall who it was, but I will know tonight when I pick mine up) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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CP/M-8000

by cpg＠aladdin.de

Hi, I've got a Olivetti M20 Z8001 PC, and it appears that once there was a CP/M-8000 version available for it. Has anyone got such thing? I'd be interested in this, I could swap with some PCOS programs. (Assuming the copyright holder (Olivetti) doesn't mind.) regards, chris

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IIgs using hard disk 20

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Are you SURE? I have an HD20 which works just fine on a Plus, but which I >have NEVER been able to make work on a 128k. My 512k has video problems >and I haven't had a chance to sort those out so I can test the HD20 on it. Not to double reply... but now I am going to start beating my head into a wall. Apple's technote article # 8169 (in the archives section), claims that the only way to add a hard drive to the 128 and 512 is by using the HD20 non-scsi drive (the one in question here). This seems to contridict a previous technote that lists the first supporting mac as the 512ke. So now I am REALLY going to have to pull out my 128 and see what happens... it seems Apple doesn't even know which way it goes. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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IIgs using hard disk 20

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Won't work, simply because the floppy port on the GS doesn't have the >firmware to support the HD20, while >the early Macs did. But there are many better hard drive options for a >GS, anyway. I guess I will have to keep an eye out for a SCSI board for the IIgs. Maybe I can also track down an original Apple HD SC... just to keep everything matching. So much for using parts on hand <sigh> -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Collections vs. accumulations, was Re: How many collectors?

by technos＠nerdland.org

> Well, I still go for a variation of Murphey's law, which I found > to fit at least my experiance: > > As soon as you aquired someting you belive to be truly rate and > unique, A second incarnation will popup close thereafter. > > And as a bylaw it's stated: > > The price asked for the second item is as lower as more you did > spend on the first. > I always refer to it as the Law of Affinity; I saw it printed in a WWII collectors catalogue in the 80's and it stuck Objects have an affinity for each other equivalent to (5/number you have seen)^(price) The corrolary runs; After the first object, all subsequent objects have a maximum price of (price you last paid/(number you own +1))

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Unknown IC

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se> >> Ahh, the 74LS181s are ALUs, as is the 'F582. Interesting that they >>used both. I'm curious...what kind of processor is this? > >Am I the only one who finds it a bit perverse that there are 74xxx standard >TTL circuits for such complex functions as ALUs? I thought that the way to go >would be to construct it out of simpler TTL circuits, such as all the 740x >gates, not buying it as a package. I suppose I'm not used to the concept of >single 74xxx circuits carrying out such complex tasks. It was the second generation before really complex LSI actually the '181 was likely the highest gate count part in the class before the TI bit slices (74881-884). It's also very old but still a handy part as it does all the standard arithmetic ops and logical ones too. The ALU core of the 2901 is basically the 74181. Allison

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looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile computer

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Why not. they were demil'ed and made available to colleges and any one else that could deal with the 30someodd inches diameter by 20 inches tall "slice". It wanted three voltages and one whole whopping amount of power. PITA to cool as well. I'ts been 30 years since i've seen/played with one. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle <geneb(a)deltasoft.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, October 15, 2001 2:26 PM Subject: Re: looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile computer >> I'm looking for documentation for a 1963 minuteman missile navigation >> computer. Any leads would be appreciated. >> >*spits coffee on monitor* > >You're kidding, right? > >g. > > >

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Unknown IC

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

It also appears in the LQ02 printer logic and the RX01 disk ucontroller. It was a popular TTL 4bit ALU slice. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, October 15, 2001 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Unknown IC >On October 15, Tony Duell wrote: >> > > Ahh, the 74LS181s are ALUs, as is the 'F582. Interesting that they >> > >used both. I'm curious...what kind of processor is this? >> > >> > Am I the only one who finds it a bit perverse that there are 74xxx standa= >> > rd >> > TTL circuits for such complex functions as ALUs? I thought that the way t= >> >> Actually, what suprises me is how _simple_ the 74181 gate schematic is >> (it's published in most TTL databooks). It doesn't take that long to >> understand how it works. >> >> In terms of the transistor count, I suspect there are TTL chips which are >> more complex than the '181. > > The '181 is even used in the pdp11/04 and /34 if memory serves. >Anyone know of any others? > > -Dave > >-- >Dave McGuire >Laurel, MD

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Data storage and transmission (was Re: ArcNet)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On October 15, Jan Koller wrote: > > > How about MicroWave transmission ? > > > Or data encoded onto laser beams? > > > Or satellite bounced? > > Actually these three are probably something Dave McGuire > could actually do. While the rest of us have watches and > clocks, I heard through the grapevine he has his own fully > functional Atomic Clock. Uhh, yeah, I've done all three, but only the first two by myself. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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ArcNet and the Pursuit of Multiple Topologies

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 15, 13:20, Derek Peschel wrote: > On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 11:18:10AM -0700, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > > 10BaseT can use CAT-3 or better. 16mbps Token Ring needs [...] > > Now I'm thinking that the "T" in "10BaseT", "100BaseT4", etc. and the T in > the line capacities "T-1", "T-2", etc. are the same thing. Is that true? Maybe. The 'T' in "10baseT" etc is the same 'T' as in "UTP" -- unshielded twisted pairs. I don't know what the 'T' in "T1" stands for. It might be the same as one in "AT&T" since they coined the term, or it might mean "twisted pair" because that's how T1 lines were originally made. T1, BTW, is 1.544Mb/s, and T3 is 44.736Mb/s; AFAIK there's no such thing as T2. A bit like ISDN; there's ISDN2, ISDN6, ISDN30, but no others. > And is there a "10BroadT"? :) Nope. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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ArcNet and the Pursuit of Multiple Topologies

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 15, 11:18, Ethan Dicks wrote: > --- "Eric J. Korpela" <korpela(a)ssl.berkeley.edu> wrote: > > Just wired the house with Cat-5 this week. 10bT has the advantage that > > it's also 100bT with a change of equipment. > > I know you probably know what you meant, but to me, that statement is > misleading, or rather, to someone who knows little about networking, > taking the second sentence out of context could lead trouble. > > phone wire - 2 pair or more, good for analog telephones > CAT-3 - will pass 10mbps traffic (or analog telephone traffic) > CAT-4 - good for token ring > CAT-5 - good for most inexpensive networking technologies > CAT-5e - needed for transmission technologies that put > 100mbps on > a single pair. > > 10BaseT can use CAT-3 or better. 16mbps Token Ring needs CAT-5 or > better. 100Base-TX needs CAT-5 (including CAT-5 jacks!) Don't recall > what 100Base-T4 needs Cat3 > Lotsa little fiddly details about the physical layer are covered up by > robust layer 2 and layer 3 protocols. Without expensive sniffer hardware > (Time Domain Reflectometer, anyone?), a lot of this stuff gets swept under > the rug until you are having fits when it doesn't work. I couldn't agree more. Don't try to build a whole network (or long runs) with stranded patch cord, for example. > > (ISTR that you can use the > > unused pair in the cable for LocalTalk, but I haven't yet tried it). > > Should be able to. Just not at the same time as you're running 100baseTX up the same cable :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Unknown IC

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On October 14, Jim Donoghue wrote: > Anybody know what a 74F582 is? 24-pin DIP, it's on a processor board along > with several 74LS181's and various others. Thanks. Ahh, the 74LS181s are ALUs, as is the 'F582. Interesting that they used both. I'm curious...what kind of processor is this? -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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HP-UX items

by pjschilling＠gcstech.net

I would be interested. Phil -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Paul R. Santa-Maria Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 12:58 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: HP-UX items I have acquired some HP-UX 9000 series 700/800 items that I have no clue about and no use for. 1. Two identical manuals: "Installing HP-UX 10.10 and Updating from HP-UX 10.0x to 10.10." 2. Manual: "Support Media User's Manual PA-RISC Computer Systems." 3. CD-ROMs: "HP Instant Information CD HP-UX Release 10." June 1998 and April 1998. 4. CD-ROM: "HP-UX Diagnostic/Independent Product Release Media." June 1998 5. CD-ROMs: "10.20 Hardware Extensions 2.0 HP-UX 10.20 Servers" April 1998 "HP-UX Extensions Software" April 1998 6. CD-ROM: "HP-UX Recovery Release 10.20" 7. Four CD-ROMs: HP-UX Applications Release 10.20" Disks 1 through 4. June 1998. Can anyone use these? Paul R. Santa-Maria Monroe, Michigan USA

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ArcNet and the Pursuit of Multiple Topologies

by jruschme＠Mac.com

Sounds a lot like a box I've been threatening to build for a while. On the Ethernet side, I'd not worry about specific 10bT and ThickNet segments. Instead, I'd run a single 10b2 (ThinNet) segment and get a 10bT hub with a BNC uplink. This also had the advantage of saving you a slot in the box. Don't worry about ThickNet, just pick up a couple of spare 10bT or 10b2 tranceivers for the odd box with an AUI port. Since you've got LocalTalk running to the box, then I'd also run MacGate which would let you run MacIP (IP over LocalTalk). As for other fun topologies, you already mentioned TokenRing. My personal choice would be to also add HomePNA (Ethernet over phonelines). The 1MB HomePNA 1.0 cards (the only ones supported by Linux)are very cheap these days. I picked up a pair from Computer Geeks (http://www.compgeeks.com) for something like $12. Now if I could just find a cheap Ethernet/HomePNA bridge for the Nubus Mac in the spare bedroom... <<<John>>> -----Original Message----- Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:50:01 -0500 From: Tarsi <tarsi(a)binhost.com> Subject: ArcNet and the Pursuit of Multiple Topologies Dear all, I've decided that one of my goals is to run every networking topology possible in my house, regardless if I actually NEED to run them or not. :) My plan is to place 1 linux box running a card from each topology in it and use that to bridge all (or almost all) topologies. I currently have running 10bT ethernet, 10b2 ethernet, Localtalk over PhoneNET and the beginnings of Arcnet. In light of such, I have a series of questions: 1) Who knows some stuff about ArcNet? I've gotten 4 cards (8-bit ISA) and a 16-port active hub. I've read somewhere that cards are either hubbable or not. Any other info on that? 2) Anyone have any (I think it is) 93ohm coax arcnet patch cables that they want to get rid of? 3) Anyone got good resources on ThickNET? (10b5 I think it is?) I know it was run back in the day, and I know some precursory things about it (the funky vampire taps, etc.) Anyone have either resources or hardware on this topology that they'd like to share/sell/etc? :) 4) Any other interesting topologies I should try? I have plans to do: Arcnet, FDDI, Token ring, Localtalk, 10b2, 10b5, 10bT, 10bTX, 10bFiber, and (eventually) 802.11b wireless.

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OT: Dark Tower

by mythtech＠Mac.com

> What exactly IS Dark Tower? I've heard of Dork Tower (a comic book) but >not Dark Tower. If you prefer to answer off list, that would be fine too >8-) Well, if the original poster was refering to what I had, then Dark Tower is a board game (circa late 70's early 80's). The board was this roundish board that you moved all over, and there was a dark brown plastic castle thing that sat in the middle. The object was, you were an adventurer, and you had to move about getting things (treasures?) from each land (4 lands, 4 players IIRC). When it was your turn, you would press a button on the tower (I think there was "pass" for do nothing, "move" to go somewhere). It would then spin (well, the inside would spin, the tower stayed still), and eventually stop, telling you if you ran into enemy's, or treasures, or whatever. If it was an enemy, you had to fight them, and it would track your possestions and army strength, and would tell you how you did (how many people died, how many of the enemy joined your ranks, if you got new possestions) Basically, it was a 4 player, board game version along the lines of D&D (and was out when D&D was in its hayday, something else I am afraid to admit I was in to.). I would be happy to pull mine out (I am sure it is in my parents basement still, I have to go over there today anyway to fix my mother's computer), and I can take some pics of it, and scan the directions if people want. Of course, maybe the original poster was refering to some other Dark Tower game, and I now look like a total ass (but the one I know of was really cool, so even if I just get to tell others about it, it was worth the typing). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Sigma Designs OneReel Tape

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! Forgot to mention... ! ! There were SCSI-interfaced Ethernet adapters for ! SCSI-equipped Macs... got one of those, too... I would like to get my hands on one, maybe 2 or 3 of these. Anyone got spares? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Semi-OT : 4063 pinout

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On October 14, Tony Duell wrote: > This is semi-off-topic (but only 'semi' as I repairing a computer > peripheral that's over 10 years old...) > > I have come across a chip that I don't have the pinout of. It's a 4063, > presumably 4000-series CMOS. The one in the device is made by RCA. > > >From the function in the circuit, I would guess it's some kind of 4 bit > comparator. > > Does anybody have the pinouts (16 pin DIL). It's not in any of my CMOS > databooks that I can find. If you do, could you please type them as a > simple text file (as in It is indeed a 4-bit comparator. Here is the pinout: 1 B3 2 IA<B 3 IA=B 4 IA>B 5 OA>B 6 OA=B 7 OA<B 8 gnd 9 B0 10 A0 11 B1 12 A1 13 A2 14 B2 15 A3 16 Vcc Good luck, -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Unknown IC

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On October 15, Iggy Drougge wrote: > Am I the only one who finds it a bit perverse that there are 74xxx standard > TTL circuits for such complex functions as ALUs? I thought that the way to go > would be to construct it out of simpler TTL circuits, such as all the 740x > gates, not buying it as a package. I suppose I'm not used to the concept of > single 74xxx circuits carrying out such complex tasks. An ALU isn't that complex, really. Find a TTL databook and look at the logic diagram of a '181. There's not that much to it. More complex and less "generic" than a 7400 quad NAND gate, sure... -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Semi-OT : 4063 pinout

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Tony, According to a datasheet downloaded from www.freetradezone.com (free registration, and supposedly 12 million component datasheets -- I believe it, as there's yet to be a part I haven't found).... It's a CMOS 4-bit magnitude comparator... 1: B3 2: (A < B) IN 3: (A = B) IN 4: (A > B) IN 5: (A > B) OUT 6: (A = B) OUT 7: (A < B) OUT 8: VSS 9: B0 10: A0 11: B1 12: A1 13: A2 14: B2 15: A3 16: VDD I can email the datasheet if you'd like.... It's a 220KB .PDF file... Rich B. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin

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ArcNet and the Pursuit of Multiple Topologies

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Jan Koller <vze2mnvr(a)verizon.net>: > > > Ahhhh, What are Chinese whispers? > > It's a game where you set up a chain of people, and > whisper some message in the ear of the first one, who > whispers it to the next one, etc. When it gets to the > far end you compare it with the original message, > usually with amusing results due to accumulation of > errors along the way. In Cub Scouts, we called this "The Telephone Game". -dq

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CompuPro and 86-DOS

by mranalog＠home.com

This last weekend I pulled my old rack mount CompuPro system out of storage and cleaned it up. The last time I used this system was about 15 years ago and I only used it to edit my resume in Wordstar. The system consists of: a "CPU 8085/88" a "DISK 1" controller a "SYSTEM SUPPORT 1" for the console two "RAM 16" boards for a total of 128K and two Qume 842 8" floppy drives After one small capacitor fire I had the system up and running. I went through all of the 8" diskettes I could find to determine what would boot. So far, I have bootable disks for CP/M 2.2, CP/M 86, and CP/M 8-16. But the disks that I really want to read are in 86-DOS format according to the label. I have disks that claim to be 86-DOS boot disks but they wouldn't boot. Some of these disks I'm having problems with appear to be SSSD 26 sectors/ 128 bytes if that helps. Can anyone point me in the direction I need to go in order to be able to boot 86-DOS? Regards, --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog =========================================

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RetroX computer shop in London...

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>> It's mostly lower end 8-bit software, but it might be worth a peek...they're > >Sure, it's not 100% my main interest, but they might have something that >I need. Anyway, it can't hurt to look :-) Is this the shop that has the owner's Altair in some basement or other? Or am I misremembering some other snippet? Antonio

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problems generating OS8 system tape.

by jos.mar＠bluewin.ch

After finally getting my TU56/TD8E setup operational, I now run into problems generating an OS/8 system tape. The system keeps insisting that "TAPE #2 is not an original dec tape", although i know for a fact that it is. I have 3 sets of system tapes and all generate the same error. Tape #1 is never asked for, the resulting tape is of course not usable. Any clues what I'm doing wrong ? Jos Dreesen

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Data storage and transmission (was Re: ArcNet)

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Data encoded in the hand gestures of a person depicted in a video tape made >available to the world. This has been done. US military hostages and POWs have done this in the past when being forced to give statements on behalf of their captors. And I am sure US solders are not the only ones trained to do something like this. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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SCSI Info requested by David Woyciesjes

by dec.parts＠verizon.net

Hello David, I finally got at that info you requested. It turned out that there was some other related info that I thought you might like also. Probably more than you've ever wanted to know about SCSI, up to SCSI-3 info? Of course it was being stored on a SCSI drive that, at the time, wasn't hooked to this system, which is why I asked for your patience. Anyone who is interested must DL and save it within the next couple of days, as I have very limited web space and can't leave it there long. This is the only time I can post it. So, perhaps someone else with more space can host it for a longer period of time. http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze2mj6m/scsi_info/scsi-info-15kb.htm http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze2mj6m/scsi_info/scsi_faq-145kb.txt http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze2mj6m/scsi_info/scsi2-spec-1632kb.txt Sincerely, Bennett

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Slightly OT: What to do with a DEC 3000/300?

by ken＠seefried.com

Sorry to be late to this topic. As it happens, I've got a DEC 3000/300X (175MHz 21064, 64MB RAM, 2x2GB Disk, NetBSD 1.5.1 + fixes) in production. I'm fond of it, but probably more for the fact that it comes in a rackmount sled, which appears to be quite rare. It fits nice at the co-hosting facility (it's www.thistle.com, but it doesn't talk to anyone but me right now). What I know: Memory: No...you can't put just anything into it. It's got 8 72-pin SIMM slots, but it will only accept 8MB, true parity, generic SIMMs (giving 64MB). And it's damn finicky about those. My 3000s spits on SIMMs that everything else in the basement has no trouble with. It will also accept Digital custom 32MB true parity SIMMs (giving 256MB). Nothing else that I've found will work, but that could just be me. If anyone has any of these SIMMs they don't want, do let me know... Video: AFAIK, none of the free *nix systems support the built in TC frame buffers. VMS and OSF/1, nee Tru64 do. The 3000 will run X clients and display to another machine. Real men do serial consoles anyway. Speed: Slow. Really slow. Not PC532 slow, but not something I'd trade one of my PPro 200s for (other than the swanky rack-mount sled). Definately useful for low volume web, mail, etc., but "make build" isn't pleasant. My PC64-275 is way, way faster, but still not that fast. There's lot's of good info out there, and I know there are people working to support all that isn't currently supported. Drop me a note if anyone wants to know anything else. Ken

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Data storage and transmission (was Re: ArcNet)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> > > > 4) Any other interesting topologies I should try? > > How about MicroWave transmission ? > > Or data encoded onto laser beams? > > Or satellite bounced? How about Earth-Moon-Earth? Or data-encoded chromosomal strings? Hmm, or fragrances (data stored in the molecules of a volatile chemical)? Or -- Data encoded in the hand gestures of a person depicted in a video tape made available to the world. Networking, indeed. Glen 0/0

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ArcNet and the Pursuit of Multiple Topologies

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On October 14, Jan Koller wrote: > > A citizen of NewZealandCorp, a wholly-owned subsidiary of USA Inc. > > I hope you don't mind my asking, but is the US in disfavor with > the citizens of New Zealand? And if so, why? I was going to ask about that, but I didn't want to "make any waves". :) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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classiccmp-digest V1 #747

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> > Philip Pemberton wrote: > > > > > A while ago I got a Phonemark "Quick Data Drive", aparrently made by > > > Entrepo. It uses small endless-loop tape cartridges called "Wafers" (any > > > relation to the Rotronics Wafadrive? hmm...). > > Try comp.sys.sinclair. Be advised that Entrepo made two types -- A and B. > > Same tape, different housing. I have A&J drives (one each A and B type) > > hung off my TS2068. > Hmm... Live and learn. > By TS2068 I assume you mean the Timex/Sinclair 2068. Correct. > > The drives are slow, and the tapes are extremely fragile, to the point > that > > I rarely use the drives any more, in order not to destroy my few remaining > > tapes. > Urk! Time to get a few tapes in while they're still available :-) > If the tape is that fragile, I might pull one apart and replace the tape > with better quality tape. I hope your eyes are better than mine -- these friggin things are *tiny.* > Or I might design my own "stringy floppy" drive - even more fun! The stringy floppy is flawed the same way an 8-track audio tape is -- it only moves in one direction. As a result, A&J didn't write any OS for their drives, just a couple of simple commands. You search for the file you want, and you either find it (after several minutes) or you don't (after several minutes). > Anyone got a spare QOS wafer? Nope. Glen 0/0

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Unknown IC

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On October 14, Jim Donoghue wrote: > > Ahh, the 74LS181s are ALUs, as is the 'F582. Interesting that they > > used both. I'm curious...what kind of processor is this? > > Wang CP-5 CPU board from a VS5E. 32-bit, loads cpu microcode from the system > disk into static RAM chips on the CPU board. Strange, but interesting, stuff. Ahh, neat! I've heard a bit about Wang VS systems, but I had no idea they were TTL CPUs. Very cool. How wide is the processor? The 74LS181 is 4 bits wide...how many does it use? Have you had a chance to take pics of this system? I'd be highly interested in seeing them if so. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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IBM ROM BASIC or lack thereof

by rachael_＠gmx.net

on 14-Oct-01 15:14:30, Jan Koller wrote: >Wasn't AMD's chip an Am5x86-133 in reference to it's being >a 5th generation 486 chip. >I believe the Cyrix 586 was 486 series too. Their first >Pentium level offering was the 686, wasn't it? Cyrix made a 586 m1sc which was their 586 pentium clone modified for use in a 486 motherboard, its the fast cpu for 486 motherboards. Regards Jacob Dahl Pind -- CBM, Amiga,Vintage hardware collector Email: Rachael_(a)gmx.net url: http://rachael.dyndns.org

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Need info/manuals/software - Microtest 14 CD Dicport Tower

by technos＠nerdland.org

MicroTest is still around.. They sold off their NAS stuff, but a quick search for for 'NAS Microtest GPL violation' tells me the new company is xStore at http://www.xstoreonline.com Jim On Monday, October 15, 2001 7:24 PM, Mike Ford [SMTP:mikeford@socal.rr.com] wrote: > > Anyone have one of these in use and could possibly be a source for a > >copy of the manual, disks, etc? Just bought one on auction but of course > >no docs or software and this is NOT SCSI to the server, it works on the > >LAN and has SCSI drives in it. Even if someone can send me the manual so > >I can scan or copy it and send it back that would be great too and maybe > >I might have something excess here (besdies actual cash to pay the > >shipping and materials back) to express my thanks. Russ Blakeman > >Clarkson, KY USA > > I bought a MicroTest Discport at the last TRW, mine is just the put a CD > ROM on the net box, but when I hunted I thought I found MicroTest was still > around. OTOH I don't seem to have any software, so maybe they don't support > it anymore ? If you find something let me know too. >

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Cromemco Pick-up on 10-13-01

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

This pass Saturday was a long drive MN to IL (12 hours total drive time) to pick up 2- Cromemco System Three's, a Systemv CS-300, one new in the box KB for these systems, lots of manuals and software for them, a Cipher 1600BPI tape unit, a model BRZ-III fan for the units, and some parts. All will have to be cleaned up as they are pretty dirty and need some loving care. The guy had over 1600sq feet of computer stuff he is selling most on eBay.:-( At a local thrift I got some Sega master stuff, like the 3D glasses that have been selling on eBay for $50, I got mine for a couple dollars. Got a Virtual Boy system for $11.99. Got some Atari 2600 stuff also they were selling cartridges for 80 cents and they had two big boxes full. Now I will start the clean-up and entering all the info into the database (my paper notebooks). Keep computing John

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