- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Ian Koller <vze2mnvr(a)verizon.net> > And the compilation of all contributions ... Only two still missing > > AAMAF - ??????????????????????????? As a matter of fact. > SAS - ????????????????????????????????? Sh*t and Shinola??? Glen 0/0

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Almost on topic - Cassette I/O

by mhstein＠usa.net

-------Original Message------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:46:14 -0700 From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> Subject: Re: Almost on topic - Cassette I/O By chance you would not have a terminal too? Ben. *-------------------------------------------------------------------------* By chance, it just happens that I do... Wyse, Lear Siegler, Falco or Cromemco, what's your pleasure? Also a TransTerm & some other oddball stuff. The L-S ADM11 would be my recommendation. As to the cassette drive, I wasn't entirely serious in suggesting it; it's a very non-standard Burroughs interface and I think it would be more work interfacing that than your whole computer project including the cassette interface. But if you're looking for a *real* challenge.. The PPT stuff also uses proprietary parallel interfaces, Burroughs and SCM (CDC?), but that would probably be a lot easier to do. Looks like the AC-30 may be spoken for. Did you get enough info on interfacing the cassette, or want me to scan something for ya? If you could really use any of this, contact me off list. mike -------Original Message------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:46:14 -0700 From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> Subject: Re: Almost on topic - Cassette I/O By chance you would not have a terminal too? Ben.

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Apple II SCSI card

by paul＠orchard.wccnet.org

Rich Beaudry: You have an Apple II Rev C SCSI card, not the High Speed card. Below is a comp.sys.apple2 post with more details about the card, including some limitations. I have one in my IIgs. I also have the original manual and software, but the Chinook SCSI Utilities (CSU) software is better (see below). I can provide you with copies of this stuff. I can point you to online sources of disk images if you can handle them. For others with Rev A or Rev B versions, I can make Rev C EPROMs. Paul R. Santa-Maria Monroe, Michigan USA From: David Empson (dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz) Subject: Re: Apple II SCSI Card rev C - Latest Revision? Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Date: 1998/09/11 Brian <brwiser(a)xmission.com> wrote: > I just acquired an 1996 Apple II SCSI Card revision C, for my ROM 1 > IIgs. I think you'll find that date was 1986, not 96. :-) > Is "C" the last revision of this card? There is only one version of the physical card. "Revision C" refers to the firmware version. The ROM should be labelled "341-0437-A" if it is revision C. Revision C is the last release of the firwmare for this card. > Are there any problems I should be aware of? Many. Where should I start? 1. The card is not terminated. If you are connecting more than one device, you must place a pass-through terminator between the card and the first device (or internal termination in the first device), as well as after the last device on the chain. If you are connecting a single device, it should have internal termination or a piggy-back terminator. 2. The card does not supply termination power. There is a single diode modification that can rectify this. Another option (my preference) is to make sure that at least one of the connected devices is able to supply termination power. 3. The firmware is limited to seven logical partitions. These partitions may be spread over as many as 7 SCSI devices connected to the card. Under ProDOS-8, this gives a practical limit of 224 MB accessible over all volumes. Note that you need to be running ProDOS-8 2.0.1 or later to be able to access more than 4 partitions, and this requires at least an enhanced IIe. Under earlier ProDOS versions, you can only access 3 or 4 partitions if the card is in slot 5. The seven partition limit does not apply under GS/OS, which uses its own drivers. 4. The firmware doesn't fully support removable hard drives, including devices like ZIP drives. The problem is that if you switch disks, the firwmare does not update its saved copy of the partition table. This can easily result in corruption of the new disk if it is not partitioned EXACTLY the same as the previous one (right down to the starting block number and number of blocks in each partition). This problem doesn't affect GS/OS, and you can work around it under ProDOS-8 by rebooting if you need to change disks. Note that if you boot via GS/OS and then get into ProDOS-8, quitting to GS/OS and relaunching ProDOS-8 might not be sufficient to reinitialize the firmware (I haven't investigated this). 5. The firwmare only supports SCSI hard disks and CD-ROM drives. CD Audio operations are only supported with Apple's original CDSC, CDSC+ and CD-150. This isn't likely to be a major issue. 6. The card is slow. The Apple High-Speed (DMA) SCSI card is a lot faster (as long as DMA can be used), and the RamFast is even better. 7. The partitioning software that comes with it is pretty limited. If you didn't get the disk, this isn't an issue. A much nicer 8-bit alternative is Chinook SCSI Utilities, which is now freeware. (I don't know of a source for it off-hand.) You can also use Advanced Disk Utility under GS/OS. -- David Empson dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz Snail mail: P.O. Box 27-103, Wellington, New Zealand

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hard-sector 5 1/4 disk

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

The shot list is... Northstar Horizon Heath H89 Northstart Advantage Likely a dozen others as awell. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Jim Donoghue <jdonogh1(a)prodigy.net> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:17 PM Subject: hard-sector 5 1/4 disk >Anybody ever see anything that uses hard sector 5 1/4 disks? I've only ever >seen one in my lifetime - just curious if they were ever used anywhere else >(the one I saw was used to load microcode into a mainframe CPU) >

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[OT] New toy...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Ian Koller wrote: > > > > > IMHO - in my humble opinion Oh, yeah, David W. reminded me of another one to add to the list: TU - tits up, or Tango Ultra in (I think) pilot talk... -dq

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Re. Hunt for DRV11-WA / DRV11-SA Field Maintenance Print Sets

by Lowndesz＠aol.com

To whom it may concern, I am trying to find Field Maintenance Print Sets for the following cards: - DRV11-WA - DRV11-SA I would be most grateful if you have any suggestions as to where I might find these. Many thanks, Kathryn Stewart l P.S. We are posting a reward of a bottle of French champagne for originals or good copies of the above two sets of schematics - thanks.

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Acronyms

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Here's my stab at a few of yours: > > > FA - For Auction > > FAE - For All Ears > > TMK - To My Knowledge > > And my own (obvious) additions: Good additions... another that should be on the list is SWMBO... She Who Must Be Obeyed. -dq

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Acronyms

by technos＠nerdland.org

Try this one. Just saw it scroll by a bit ago. 12 pal lfp 4 CB/BB (Emp!) or pt to WC from PoD, will donate or 2s BW On Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:51 AM, Jeffrey S. Sharp [SMTP:jss@subatomix.com] wrote: > > POD - Priest Of Discord (from Everquest)

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Dec & Sun stuff available in Houston TX

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 10/30/01 11:26:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu writes: > Too bad I'm way up here in CT. I'd grab the Sun stuff, just so it > wouldn't hit the scrapper... > > --- David A Woyciesjes You'd have a fight on yer hands Dave! -Linc Fessenden In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

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Dec & Sun stuff available in Houston TX

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Too bad I'm way up here in CT. I'd grab the Sun stuff, just so it wouldn't hit the scrapper... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: David Williams [mailto:dlw@trailingedge.com] ! Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:03 AM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: Dec & Sun stuff available in Houston TX ! ! ! Gunther has laid claim to the PDP-8 stuff. If he can't pick ! it up I'll ! let people know and someone else can have a shot at it. The Sun ! stuff is still available if someone wants. ! ! ----- ! "What is, is what?" ! ! "When the mind is free of any thought or judgement, ! then and only then can we know things as they are." ! ! David Williams - Computer Packrat ! dlw(a)trailingedge.com ! http://www.trailingedge.com !

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[OT] New toy...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 27, 11:50, Ron Hudson wrote: > For the rest of us, what kind of greek is that? : ^ ) > > > John Lawson wrote: > > > > > FB OM YR SIGS 599 RPT 599 QSL VIA BURO TNX ES 73 DE KB6SCO FB "fine business" OM old man YR your SIGS signal is 599 5 (readability) 9 (strength) 5 (tone, IIRC) RPT I repeat 599 5 x 5 x 9 QSL "can you acknowledge receipt" VIA via BURO QSL Bureaus are clearing houses for QSL cards, used to save postage costs when contacting people overseas etc (and useful for places with unreliable mail) TNX thanks ES and 73 best regards DE from KB6SCO (callsign) It's (mostly standard) radio ham CW (continuous wave) abbreviations, used to save keying too much morse. I'm sure several people on the list read that straight off without much thought, but I confess I had to think about some of them, it's been so long since I listened :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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value of classic DEC machines?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! > If you have electric heating anyway, then it shouldn't make much ! > difference to the overall electricity bill, surely... ! > ! Well, a heat pump (an air conditioner that runs in reverse) ! does work a little more efficiently than TTL logic for heating ! the house. My biggest problem is coming up with a way to duct ! the heat from the 11/70 to the rest of the house. It still seems ! that I end up with the heat on in the house, and the windows ! open in the room with the 11/70. What about something like an exhaust hood over the 11/70, and a fan? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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hard-sector 5 1/4 disk

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Anybody ever see anything that uses hard sector 5 1/4 disks? I've only ever > seen one in my lifetime - just curious if they were ever used anywhere else > (the one I saw was used to load microcode into a mainframe CPU) Some models (maybe all?) of the Heath-Zenith H-89 or H-90? used them... -dq

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Do we have a VAX organization?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, I usually hate organizational issues, but I think us VAX collectors need at least a semi-formal organizaton. Why? - Most importantly this could help convince those that either decomission or scrap VAX hardware to give it away instead. (Yes, the last wave of decommissioned VAX 6000-600 and 7000/10000 is coming up, plus the tail of older models that might occasionally still be in use.) Also think of all the overpriced DEC hardware suppliers who soon have to get rid of their stocks that no business customer needs anymore. - Second this would give one point where we could organize trades and consolidate shipment issues ("VAX trecks") - It could help us negotiate good truck rental rates. Penske has perhaps the best rate you can get, but not everyone gets the best rate (i.e. 10 cents per mile) because that's for business customers only, normally. But usually with an organization (and a little ad on the web-site) you can get good deals on vehicle rentals. And it goes on. - We could promote semi-public collections like little private museums that some of us are building. - Finally it could help in right out fundraising for covering such expenses as electricity and internet connectivity for cyber- museums and public use VAXen. We don't have to start all over but can take something that already exists. (I'm also not looking to become a chairman of anything, one of the typical incentives for people suggesting new organizations :-) For example, I think this can start with a web site. Some of us already have vax related domain names which we can use, like Isildur's vaxpower.org. So, a www.vaxpower.org could be it. There's also the VAX rescue squad, put in my several futile attempts to sign up I realized that this project seems rather dead. I don't know if this should be anything tightly connected with DECUS, because DECUS is (a) too COMPAQ or whatever.com oriented, (b) too VMS oriented, and (c) seems to have too much overhead (organizational structure, membership fees, unrelated agenda items). But I could be wrong about that. Another question is if this should not be a DEC/VAX only group but rather a vintage computer stuff group, like Sellam Ismail's site. May be this could be it. What's important is that this site would help accomplish above-mentioned goals, and that it would be a showcase of our VAX collections and simply an address book of the kind that the VAX rescue squad wanted to be. Something you can point to when negotiating with a source. A network of friends you can call up and ask for help in rescuing someting in an otherwise remote area. Also a set of rules of conduct dealing with shared hauls, (like what if: you agree to help with a haul from a friend accross the country and agree on keeping certain things, but suddenly a PDP-8 shows up in that lot? These are things that could help maintain friendship and integrity and reduce grief.) So, what do you think? regards -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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email/browser for DOS or C64/128?

by pbboy＠mindspring.com

Arachne DOS browser www.arachne.cz

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hard-sector 5 1/4 disk

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>>Anybody ever see anything that uses hard sector 5 1/4 disks? I've only >>ever >>seen one in my lifetime - just curious if they were ever used anywhere >>else >>(the one I saw was used to load microcode into a mainframe CPU) >I've got a Northstar Advantage that uses them...anyone know where to get >hard sector disks these days? I was just about to say, I seem to recall that my old Northstar used them (although I can't remember if it was an Advantage or a Horizon, it was a black boxie CPM machine with screen, keyboard and floppy drive all in one unit). I also think the Apple II had a hard sector option (had to load a special disk to activate it... or was that 13 sector... or are they the same thing?) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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OT: Playstation 2 opinion?

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> > PS2 is last year, by Xmas all his friends will be talking about Xbox and > GameCube. We have N64, and I resisted forever getting one, and relented > only as the price dropped to about $150 with a game (he just HAD to have > Zelda). Keep in mind this is a razor blade industry, regardless of the high > price of the console, the real money and costs will be in games etc. > > My recommendation is to forget the console, and put together a gaming PC. > Better intelligence to the games, and immensely greater selection and > usefullness. Are you talking about a MS Windows box here??? As a PC builder I must say that if I were into serious gaming I would absolutely buy a game console. Say you buy 3 pricey, high-quality games for your PC. Chances are one of them won't like your video card. Or the version of DirectX you're running. Or the gamepad you're using. Or the motherboard's chipset. Or it'll step on another game by replacing DLLs. Or it'll change the sound settings so the other games have problems. Not my idea of *fun*. On the other hand I suppose you could consider the "real" game to be getting more than 3 high-quality games to run on the same Wintel box ;>) Glen 0/0

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first step getting VAX 6000-400 booted ...

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, after my pretty good VAX treck last weekend (more details coming up on my project web site at a later time) I finally have SDI disks. I hooked one up last night and did all the checking as per the RA9x manual (yes I have one plus many more, will scan those at some time...) and it seems to be O.K. (even though it was pretty messed up stored in a barn among lots of birds for many years). Here is one para about where I am at and then I have some specific questions for Geoff Roberts or Ragge or anyone who has had experienced any luck with getting a 6000 up to operation. I have bootable tape for Ultrix 4.1 and VMS 5.3 both TK50. None of them work. I seem to have no luck with the TK70 and I have no way finding out what's wrong. I tried to boot from that RA90 disk, even though I don't know what's on it. It has unit #0, so I thought it might be a system disk. But that too failed with some I/O error very early in the process. I also have a TU81+ and VMS bootable tape on 9-track, maybe that's more reliable? Tonight's project is to move the TU81+ into the basement and hook it up. I'm afraid I'll get stuck there too and what then? Network booting? Here's some more detail and questions: The TK50 boot proceeds for quite a while, although it never shows any message on the console about where it is at before it halts due to some unspecified error. However, about one or two minutes into the tape running the system-panel's FAULT light comes on and at the same time both yellow and green LEDs on the TKB70 board extinguish. That's for about a second or two. Then the lights go back to normal and the fault light turned off. Another 30 seconds to a minute tape streaming and the same light-spiel happens again: fault on, TKB70 LEDs off, and back to normal. Now a shorter time (like 10 seconds) of tape streaming and again. From now on that repeats for about 4 or 5 more cycles and finally the system is halted and console says: system halted due to previous error. However, no error message is being printed. I have no idea where I am in the process. I have tried cleaning the TK70 read/write head of course. I have tried a different copy of that Ultrix tape. It's always the same. Is this bliking of fault and shutting off of both TBK70 LEDs normal for media read errors or does it indicate something more serious? How can I tell where in the process I am? Is there an error flag somewhere in memory that I could EXAMINE to find out what is wrong? BTW: at first I had my CIBCA cards in and the boot process would halt earlier: system would say "insufficient memory for CI" and "10% or more of the memory is bad". Who is checking memory there? I could not find anything in Ultrix 4.2 sources that would generate such a message. And why would it anyway, because my system check tells me that I have 512 MB of memory OK. Or does it speak of 10% of the CIBCA's internal memory? Is there a boot flag that I could turn on that would cause the loader etc. to be more verbose? Has anyone tried booting Ultrix over the network? I am going to try that but all I have is Ultrix on TK50 (that doesn't work) and sources without any VAX running to compile them on. Is there a cross compiler suite? I'd like to compile with the DEBUG flag set. Thanks for your suggestions, -Gunther -- Gunther_Schadow-------------------------------http://aurora.rg.iupui.edu Regenstrief Institute for Health Care 1050 Wishard Blvd., Indianapolis IN 46202, Phone: (317) 630 7960 schadow(a)aurora.rg.iupui.edu------------------#include <usual/disclaimer>

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Epson QX-10 to good home

by vcf＠vintage.org

Walter has an Epson QX-10 that he wants to find a good home for. Please contact him directly. Reply-to: <wdthompsonjr(a)myexcel.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:51:19 -0500 From: Walter David Thompson Jr <wdthompsonjr(a)myexcel.com> To: vcf(a)vintage.org Subject: Query Hi, I have an Epson QX-10 in excellent condition, including the 300 baud modem and the 8088 sisterboard upgrade, monitor, keyboard, software, technical manuals, etc., along with a second cpu box for parts. Any thoughts on the best way to find a collector who might be interested? Thanks for your help. Walter Who is Walter From Virginia, Anyway? http://www.greatestnetworker.com/comunity/myface.tcl?is=6121 --- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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How to disassemble an HSC90?

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Gunther Schadow wrote: >Yup, that's how it works with the TU81. Those brackets can be easily >removed by loosening up the screws and lifing the metal pieces up and >away. Then the side walls can be yanked off by a good pull straight up. >That's how it appears to be with the HSC initially: in fact, there are >two similar metal pieces in the front that can be unfastened and pushed >inward. Yet, after this is done the sidewalls don't move any easier. >They are stuck as if glued or welded on! This is like a magic chinese >woodbox. May be there is a magic thing you have to know so everything >resolves in ease, but so far this transcendental knowledge has not >been revealed to earthly beings by the gods who dwelleth on the Mt. >Manynard or their prophets who service the fields. :-) I've not followed this from the start so I don't know how deep into the HSC90 you want to go, but the steps for upgrading an HSC90 to an HSC95 may help. 1. Power off. 2. Turn the nylon catches on the card cage cover 1/4 turn each and pull cover up and out. 3. Swap modules to taste. For removing the rear door: 1. Open door. 2. Release hinge pin by pulling down on release lever. 3. Slide door out and lift up: do not bend bottom pin. I've never (knowingly) seen an HSC6x or HSC9x so all I can say is that it sounds pretty easy so I assume you are doing something other than swapping modules? The IPB suggests that the side panels "hang" on the sides and, once the top is off, will slide upwards until they are clear of their "hooks". There may be some obvious screws involved too (it's not immediately clear whether this is a different cab variant/rev or not). Antonio

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A couple old books, 6502 and Mostek

by mhstein＠usa.net

Gee, I've been doing this all wrong; I offered several boxes of data & related books for free, but had no replies at all - just found a box that I overlooked when I tossed 'em out, so let me try adding a handling charge & offer them for $4.95 ea. & shipping :) Zilog Microcomputer Components Data Book Feb 1980 Intel Microcomputer Systems Data Book 1976 (SBC's &c) Intel Component Data Catalog 1980 Intel 8048 Family Applications Handbook Jan 1980 (Apps & Assembler listings) Intel 8080 Microcomputer Systems User's Manual Sep 1975 (Apps & data sheets) Rockwell Electronics Devices data catalog 1981 (AIM65, RM65, System65, R68000, PPS-4/1, modems &c AIM65 4 Manual sets: User, Programming, Chipset & Monitor Listing The Elementary Apple 1983, Wm. B. Sanders (Datamost) (Beginners's User/Programming) And some Mostek & Synertek sheets as well; they were mostly into F8's and Z80's; you're probably thinking of MOS Technology for the 6502, and I just happen to have the MOS Microcomputers Programming Manual so after you get your $5.00, just send me 4.95 <g> m -------------------Original Message------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:18:47 -0800 From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> Subject: A couple old books, 6502 and Mostek I found a couple books while digging in boxes at TRW. Beyond Games: Systems Software for your 6502 Personal Computer. Ken Skier This is a very early book, copyright 1981, covering a series of articles >from BYTE magazine. Lots of low level nuts and bolts software, a monitor, assembler, text, printing etc., but with a very basic approach, and over half the book are reference listings etc. Has a few specifics for each of Pet, Apple, Atari, and other 6502 computers. Mostek, MOS Integrated Circuit Guide. Magazine sized, 138 page, blue and silver book, copyright is 1975, but the only microprocess it mentions is the F8, and I was expecting 6502. Covers several early memory chips and some consumer calculator chips, very nice condition. I am thinking about $5 for either book, but best offer and postage gets it.

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TU81+ spooks (was: Re: first step getting VAX 6000-400 booted ...)

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Gunther Schadow wrote: >I did try MUB0 (because that's how VMS calls it for me), but >that doesn't work. I just like VMS calls my disk DUA0 but to >boot from it I have to call it just DU0. So MU0 it should be. >The CSA1 is weird, because it's really MUC6 for VMS, and it >should be another MU. The console's idea of a device name and VMS's idea of a device name will not always agree. For MSCP SDI disks (like your RA90) the device name will usually be DUAn:, where n: is the unit number you have given it. OpenVMS will sort out how to get from that unit number to a specific path to the device (possibly hanging off a CI rather than on your local machine!) The console usually does not bother with such shenanigans. It wants you to tell it how to find the device. For example, on a VAX 82x0/83x0 box you would boot as: B DUsn: where s is something like the VAXBI slot number in hex, and n is the unit number (also in hex IIRC). Of course if you put your KDB50 in slot ten then you can do: B DUAn: but that just hides the difference :-) Once VMS boots you can do: $ MC SYSGEN A A /L (that's AUTOCONFIGURE ALL /LOG) and it will go off and find most things. Then SHOW DEVICE D will list the disks (really any device that starts with D) and SHOW DEV M will show the Magtapes. The Console Storage device (CS) is generally not visible without being explicitly made so via SYSGEN, so it will generally not show up. >Yes, that would be the crucial question? Can you even boot from >TU81+. Given the rest of the orthogonal DEC design, I would be >highly surprized if one could not. Also, I'm pretty sure that >BSD used to be distributed on 9-track, bootable, presumably. But >I would appreciate a confirmation of this. If someone could test >copying a bootable TK to TU and then try TU booting? I don't know whether the VAX 6000 can cope with booting from TU81+, nor do I know what, if any, controller support it expects for a device to be bootable. (I don't know how much of a boot driver is implemented in the console and how much needs to be provided by the controller). If you do want to backup your system disk, the steps are as follows: 1. Install standalone backup on the system disk. $ @SYS$UPDATE:STABACKIT SYS$SYSDEVICE: This *should* (if I've remembered it correctly) create a standalone backup in root SYSE (i.e. $ DIR SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSE] should now have something in it ... don't mess or delete any of this though, most of it is effectively symlinks to stuff that matters!) 2. Boot as normal but with R5's top byte set to E, typically /R5:E0000000 should do this for you. 3. Standalone Backup should come up in a few minutes rather than a few hours! 4. $ BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY/IGNORE=LABEL SYS$SYSDEVICE: mua0:SYSTEM.BCK /SAVE mua0: is whatever the tape device wants to be called (MUB0:, MUB1: CSA1:, whatever). SYSTEM.BCK is just the saveset filename /IGNORE=LABEL means "I don't care how valuable that tape is, I know what I'm doing so wipe it!!" /VERIFY means it will take twice as long but there is a possibility that you may be able to restore the data one day :-) It's been a while, so this probably won't work first time. Antonio

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[OT] New toy...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > In no time somebody is bound to post the URL to some master list. > > INTSIBTPTUTSML SETMBRWHAA (someday, even the most banal remarks will have an abbreviation)! -dq

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Do we have a VAX organization?

by mhstein＠usa.net

Maybe not just for VAXes? >From another perspective: A friend and I were both selling & supporting Cromemcos in the 80's and early 90's and, although neither of us is a "collector," as time went on and they became obsolete, we took them all back & hung on to them, first for parts and then because we didn't have the heart to throw them out. A few years ago we decided it was time to clear out the space and get rid of them, but could not find anyone seriously interested locally or on the 'Net at that time (mind you, being in Canada does make shipping a little expensive), so we hung on to them a little longer. Recently we both needed space again; he decided that it wasn't worth the time and trouble to find a good home for them and tossed most of his into the dumpster, while I thought that surely there'd be lots of people who'd give their eye teeth (and maybe even a couple of bucks) for this stuff. I did get a few inquiries for a card or two, and several people wished that I were in California or Minnesota (or that they were in Toronto, although, at least for the Californians, that's less attractive as winter approaches :). And yes, I was contacted by a couple of local collectors who will probably take a few of the systems. But on the whole, so far it has indeed not been worth the time and trouble, especially since (unlike HP & DEC) there's not much of a user community (knowledge base) out there and people prefer them to be assembled & working instead of a pile of chassis and boxes of manuals & untested cards. All this to say that it sure would have been nice if there'd been a central place with the organization & resources to arrange and/or pay for shipping the whole lot and a few bucks on top, and then dole them out to interested individuals. As it is, unless someone local actually wants it all, most of it will have to be scrapped. Thanks for the tip about the value of scrap, BTW; believe these boards & connectors were still goldplated... mike

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Apple II SCSI Card Questions

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, I just today received an Apple II SCSI card (NO docs), and I have some questions... First, a description of the card: Typical sized Apple II card, has a ribbon cable with one connector soldered to the card, and the other terminating in a female 25-pin "D" shape connector. There is a 40-pin chip labeled "NCR/5380" on one line, followed by "C476217", "6-1082073", and "8810S" on separate lines. There is also a 27128 EPROM, labeled "341-0437-A, (c) Apple '87". Aside from some glue logic, there are also two PALs, an 8-position jumper block, and a 6264 SRAM chip. The card is silk-screened "607-0291-B (c) 1986 Apple II SCSI Card", and carries the FCC ID "BC66DSA2B2087". Questions: 1) Is this the High-Speed SCSI card I hear about every so often? 2) Will this card work in a IIgs? 3) Are there any limitations to what SCSI devices I can attach? Ideally, I'd like to add an external hard drive and CD-ROM (Or maybe a Zip drive). Could I do this from this card? 4) Does anyone have docs they could copy and send to me? I'd gladly pay postage. 5) Are there updates to the EPROMs available somewhere? Not that I suspect problems, but if Apple released updates, I'd like to make sure I have the latest code... 6) Does anyone have drivers (if needed) that they could copy and send to me? Again, I'll pay postage. Thanks! Rich B. P.S. I get the digest, so if you could CC: me privately in your replies, I'd appreciate it. I'm a bit anxious to know what I've got here... "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin

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How to disassemble an HSC90?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Are the sdies getting stuck on wheel brackets that stick out too far? A DEC rack I have for a tape drive had that problem. The brackets by the two back wheels stick out about 1/8". Enough to stop the side panel from lifting neatly up... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Gunther Schadow [mailto:gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org] ! Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:11 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: How to disassemble an HSC90? ! ! ! Hi, ! ! has anyone of you ever disassembled an HSC cabinet? I am looking ! pretty stupid right now. It's not the first piece of DEC iron ! equipment that I have moved in pieces, I did two VAX6000 and one ! TU81+. But this one is different. While being half-height like the ! TU81, it's quite a bit deeper. The side-walls appear to be just ! locked at the bottom and then hooked such that one can lift it ! up and off, like the TU81's side walls. However, they do not move ! no matter how hard I try. I don't find any screws holding them, ! though. And with the sidewalls on, I cannot remove the top-cover ! either. ! ! So, I was hoping I could at least take it into two pieces by ! moving the whole core out in one piece. Apparently that central ! unit is just screwed on the front, like a rack-mount device. ! Indeed I can move it out quite far. But then it stops at a ! protruding piece of the backplane circuit board! There seems ! to be no way to move that core all the way out other than by ! removing the backplane circuite board. And I'm not going to do ! that. ! ! Other DEC equipment was quite straight forward to disassemble, ! but this one beats the auto-assembies in difficulty level. ! I appreciate every advice. My suspicion is that the sidewalls ! are indeed removable, but mine are just stuck. Someone seen ! it? ! ! regards ! -Gunther ! ! -- ! Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. ! gschadow(a)regenstrief.org ! Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for ! Health Care ! Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School ! of Medicine ! tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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unknown SRAM chips

by mhstein＠usa.net

This IS your lucky day! Since nobody at all replied to my post offering several boxes of data books, I tossed 'em all out; HOWEVER, it turns out that I'd overlooked one box under a chair and guess what, it contained a 1986 Toshiba MOS memory book. The TMM2068 is a TTL compatible 4x4 NMOS SRAM: 1-A7 20-Vcc 2-A6 19-A8 3-A5 18-A9 4-A4 17-A10 5-A3 16-A11 6-A2 15-I/O1 7-A1 14-I/O2 8-A0 13-I/O3 9-/CS 12-I/O4 10-GND 11-/WE I think someone else already gave you the info on the HM6147 -------------Original Message-------------- Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:32:54 -0500 From: Jim Donoghue <jdonogh1(a)prodigy.net> Subject: unknown SRAM chips Anybody have pinouts for these ICs - I think they are some kind of SRAM. Thanks. TMM2068AP-45 HM6147HP-35

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OT: Playstation 2 opinion?

by technos＠nerdland.org

I dunno. I'm doing just fine as far as games go on a K6-450 and VooDoo 2 SLI. Jim On Monday, October 29, 2001 12:49 PM, Zane H. Healy [SMTP:healyzh@aracnet.com] wrote: > >My recommendation is to forget the console, and put together a gaming PC. > >Better intelligence to the games, and immensely greater selection and > >usefullness. > > With the PS2 he'll be able to play new games for how many years without > upgrading the hardware? OTOH, how often do you need to upgrade a gaming PC > to play the latest stuff? I decided consoles were the way to go a few > years ago. > > Zane > -- > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > | | Classic Computer Collector | > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | > | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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Price guide for vintage computers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! Instead of a price guide, how bout a spotting/indentification ! guide with info ! on identifying computers and components and options without ! any pricing info? ! ! -Bob This would be most helpful. Similar to these hardware references on NetBSD's site... http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/Hardware/Machines/DEC/vax/ http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/vax/models.html --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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VAX6460: VMS 5.4 how to move on?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, O.K. I am delighted! I did boot VMS 5.4 from that RA90 labeled as unit 0. I changed the system password and am now copying ULTRIX filed off the TK50 tape onto disk in order to write them on 9-track trying to boot from there. Of course I will have all sorts of grief because of the weird VMS blocked file formats. For instance, what I read from the tape should look like this on UNIX: -rw-r--r-- 1 operator 17408 May 12 03:44 file0 -rw-r--r-- 1 operator 2091208 May 12 03:45 file1 -rw-r--r-- 1 operator 6594560 May 12 03:47 file2 -rw-r--r-- 1 operator 727040 May 12 03:47 file3 -rw-r--r-- 1 operator 8826880 May 12 03:48 file4 -rw-r--r-- 1 operator 3143680 May 12 03:48 file5 -rw-r--r-- 1 operator 2007040 May 12 03:48 file6 -rw-r--r-- 1 operator 522240 May 12 03:48 file7 -rw-r--r-- 1 operator 665600 May 12 03:48 file8 -rw-r--r-- 1 operator 286720 May 12 03:48 file9 -rw-r--r-- 1 operator 2949120 May 12 03:45 file10 -rw-r--r-- 1 operator 2160640 May 12 03:45 file11 -rw-r--r-- 1 operator 1249280 May 12 03:45 file12 -rw-r--r-- 1 operator 1024000 May 12 03:45 file13 -rw-r--r-- 1 operator 1495040 May 12 03:45 file14 ... -rw-r--r-- 1 operator 276480 May 12 03:47 file38 and what I have copied from TK50 so far looks like this: $ dir /size Directory SYS$SYSROOT:[GUNTHER] FILE.000;1 0 FILE.001;1 0 FILE.002;1 12880 FILE.003;1 1420 FILE.004;1 17240 FILE.005;1 6140 FILE.006;1 3920 FILE.007;1 1020 Total of 8 files, 42620 blocks. O.K. seems like we have file sizes reported in 512 byte blocks. But file 1 didn't come up right. May be that was because of this read error that keeps the tape from booting? Anyway, before I go to bed I will have copied the first set of filed to disk and back to a tape. Either a TK70 or a 9-track and will try to boot. It looks like I'm making progress, finally. However, I ask myself what to do with that VMS 5.4 system disk. Should I keep it and get another drive downstairs for my Ultrix attempts? Should I rather keep this running 5.4 VMS or should I make a fresh install of a VMS 6.1 of which I have tapes? I am a curious person, so I could first dig in the disks for interesting stuff, but then, I rather want to get away from VMS and onto Ultrix and finally NetBSD. So how much are old filesystems worth keeping? I don't have enough tape to back it all up, and even if I had, how would I do this? How can I find UCX on this VMS 5.4 filesystem? It appears as absent. Is there something like find(1) on VMS? Did UCX not exist for VMS 5.4? Could I install it from a VMS 6.1 bin tape? Do I have any chance of using my ethernet for anything like file transfer or NFS without having UCX? thanks much for helping me accross the VMS river :-) regards -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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Is Joe Around Here(info MDS225)

by techno＠dsuper.net

Hi there ... After reading Joes Intel MDS page I was intrigued. I have a MDS 225 Series III , but I have no OS or software. I need help in getting it going. It starts up O.K. into the diag ROM but thats it. Is there a way for me to get ISIS III for it? Also, what exactly CPM (GENERIC) will work on it? Yours truly.. Doug Taylor (Techno) Sysop of the "Dead On Arrival BBS" Telnet://doabbs.dynip.com http://www-mtl.look.ca/~techno techno(a)dsuper.net

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Classic Gaming OT and OT / Re: OT: Playstation 2 opinion?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>So how many people collect gaming environments? I can't say I "collect" them, but more I have a collection of them (and more units gravitate to me from time to time). I have things like an Odessey (the original one with the littel card edge cartridges, and the screen overlays), Atari 2600 (one market one, one prerelease prototype), Intellivision, Stunt Cycle, Odessey 500(? the newer one), NES, Playstation (1001 model with mod chip, and a 9000 without), and an assortment of stand-alone non TV interface things (like a Donkey Kong, Tron, Crazy Climber, and a heap of space war or driving things). I HAD a colecovision (prerelease prototype unit) and an ADAM add-on (also prerelease), but a friend "borrowed" it many years ago, and it never came back (along with half my atari 2600 carts, the prick!). I was supposed to get a Turbo-Graphix 16 and a Turbo Express, but both fell thru (the 16, the owner forgot and threw it out, and the Express, I turned down because it was a Japanese prototype so I couldn't play it, hind sight I have kicked myself ever since, it HAD been one of 3 in the US at the time, and one of 10 in existance! ARGHH!!) I have not yet begun to aquire Arcade Machines, as I just don't have the room, but I did go half on a Tron with my sister (she stores it at her house). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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[OT] New toy...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

..... ! >NAOA - Not An Official Acronym ! >TTBOMK - to the best of my knowledge ! ! In no time somebody is bound to post the URL to some master list. ! ! You mean like this? :-) http://www.acronymfinder.com/ --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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[OT] New toy...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! > ISTR - it stands to reason (I'm guessing here) I thought this was " I Seem To Recall(Remember)" --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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VLB SCSI? (really 64-bit PCI & 100Mb ISA)

by ken＠seefried.com

Wrapping up a few things here... > <Re: 100Mb ISA cards> 3Com 3C515. Of course, you don't get full bandwidth out of it, but if you really, really have to get an ISA-only box on a 100Mb network, it does work quite well. And there's a Linux driver :-). FWIW...the HP ISA 100Mb card is probably a 100baseVG card, which requires a special hub. > A typical example is the 64-bit PCI. I've seen several desirable > cards offered for the 64-bit PCI, yet I've not seen even ONE advertised > motherboard that actually supports 64-bit PCI. Hmm...there are a bunch, actually. As far as motherboards (as in, not systems) that you can run out to web sites and buy: - Intel boards based on ServerWorks and i860 have them, and they showed up occasionally on earlier Xeon boards - Sun ATX form factor UltraSPARC boards have them - Later Alpha ATX form factor boards have them - At least one version of the Motorola MTX PowerPC ATX motherboard has them (well...okay...this one is pretty obscure) - Finally...my odd/rare Galileo MIPS-based system has them...:-) > From what I've read, 32-bit PCI boards work in a > 64-bit slot, yet nobody seems to be offering that feature in their > advertisement. I'd guess that's because it's cheaper/easier to > diverge slightly from the published standard in making these products, > hence they don't make claims about compatibility. Umm...not sure what you are trying to say. As far as I know 32-bit & 64-bit interoperability *is* part of the the PCI standard, and works vice versa. In fact, I'm pretty sure per the standard, there is interoperability between 33MHz and 66MHz cards. You really only get locked out with 5v v. 3.3v issues. In other works, a card that claims PCI 2.1 compliance will interoperate. Ken

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email/browser for DOS or C64/128?

by rhblakeman＠kih.net

I know I've seen many things on this in th epast but wasn't paying attention. I have some free time now and want to do some tinkering. Are there browsers and email agents for the Commodore 64/128 series and DOS (2.11 through 6.22). I prefer a free or shareware one to be able to test it to see if it's a POS or not. I want to use the DOS version on a few platforms from an 8086/8088 to a 386. I have a 286 portable NEC that I'd like to try it out on first. Thanks in advance.

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[OT] New toy...

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

>can anyone fill in the blanks here ... <snip> >FA - I've seen (and used) "FA" and "FS" in USENET posting subjects to warn the reader that an item is about to be advertised "For Auction" or "For Sale".... Rich B. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin

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ATEX?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>This wouldn't happen to have been the Bergen Record... >Used to work for one of their papers as a reporter back before I got into >PDP11's at DEC. Why yes, yes it is the Bergen Record. Right now my project has been put on hold. My friend asked the IT staff about a manual this morning, and they swore up and down that it doesn't matter, the newer version of ATEX will be going online in January. He doubts it, as it seems EVERYTHING they promise is about a year late before it actually gets in place. But until he can find a better person to talk to, there isn't much more I can do. However, I will keep my ears open, if I understand the Atex systems from their web site, the new system will no longer use the PDP-11 that the current one is based off. So one (or more? Atex implies that there may be multiples chained together) may be available soon. I don't have any pull down there to get them, but maybe I can get my friend to find someone I can talk to that does have some say in their disposal. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Osborne 1 (was: OT :-)

by wrm＠ccii.co.za

Hi again all Tony asks: >Why suspect the FDC? This soulds like nothing more than a shorted or >leaky keyswitch. Have yoy taken the keyboard apart to check for this yet. When I unplug the keyboard and short out what I think is Enter (OK, maybe it's something else) the screen still refreshes, no lights on the floppy drives. >leaky (about 100k between the pins when the key is not pressed). This >will confuse some keyboard controller circuits. At least 3 of the switches seem to be dead shorts. And it's an assemble-once keyboard, the keys have little plastic pins that are melted to keep the whole affair together. Wouter ZS1KE for anyone interested www.retro.co.za

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[OT] New toy...

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Derek Peschel <dpeschel(a)eskimo.com> >What I didn't know (until a Canadian guy at my ex-workplace explained >it to me) was that many of these abbreviations are French in origin. >("DE") That especially applies to the combined letter groups ("AR" with >no space in between = "end of message" = "arret", for example). > >This is not true of all abbreviations, of course. "FB" = "fine business" >(I know that only because I was looking for info on printing telegraphs >and stock tickers and found an old ARRL Handbook). There are plenty of others like... BT or break AR end of message SK end of work KN invitation to named station CL Closing station All of those are sent as one character. If you want to see a lot of abbreveated text read a sequence report as given for the aviation community. FCST CLDY TO BKN CLNG TO 10K.... Of course this would have been sent using ASR33 with 45 or 75 speed gears. Allison KB1GMX 6m-2m&70cm

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Almost on topic - Cassette I/O

by mhstein＠usa.net

Howdy to a fellow Canuck no doubt digging the long underwear out of the closet in preparation for winter... Might have something for ya; was just having one last look through some old Byte mags pulling out Cromemco ads before tossing 'em, and in July '76 there is a construction article for a fast cassette interface. Can scan it for ya if you're interested. Might also be able to find some others, was a popular project in those days. Can also ship you a Burroughs L series digital cassette drive (with some docs) if you're up to the challenge of interfacing it :) Also have tech info on some old computers (e.g. RS M100, AIM65) using cassette I/O. See on your web site you're also looking for PPT stuff; might even have something for ya in that department (Toronto area, though). While on the subject, anybody interested in an SwTPc AC-30 cassette interface? Just happen to have one; in fact, the reason I remembered that issue of Byte is 'cause the AC-30 is advertised on the inside front cover. mike ---------------Original Message------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 11:58:38 -0700 From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> Subject: Almost on topic - Cassette I/O I am building a FPGA ( Field programmable gate array ) computer in the style of the early computers that had a front panel and TTY for I/O. While I don't have have a front panel working the Hardware serial bootstrap does work on my prototype. Since I have a few LOGIC cells left in my FPGA to play with I was thinking adding a cassette interface. Does anybody know of schematics on the web that I can get ideas from. Ben Franchuk. - -- Standard Disclaimer : 97% speculation 2% bad grammar 1% facts. "Pre-historic Cpu's" http://www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk Now with schematics.

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Do we have a VAX organization?

by LFessen106＠aol.com

I think this sort of thing would be great! -Linc Fessenden In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

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HP 85 stuff

by abrahama＠netvision.net.il

we are looking to buy 30-50 pcs 3m dc-100a magnetic tape cartridge. please advise if you can recomaned us from where to buy. best rgds a. abraham ab-ad tech&eng ltd israel tel: 972-9-7660932 fax: 972-9-7660933 e-mail: abrahama(a)netvision.net.il

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VLB SCSI?

by mhstein＠usa.net

Well, I'm not sure that the S-100 "standard" was all that rigidly adhered to either, not to mention that everything else was proprietary at that time (not to mention IBM's infamous Slot 8, PS/1's and MCA, non-standard memory modules, etc.)... New PSU fans are still abundantly available up here in Toronto; if ya really need one, or a complete PSU (especially an odd-sized one) or anything else for an old PC, drop me a line. mike -----------------Original Message--------------- Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:19:50 -0600 From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> Subject: Re: VLB SCSI? <snip> because IBM no longer provided a firm ISA-equipped standard that everyone else could clone, there was nothing but chaos, and that's the way it's been ever since. The whole concept of "standard" was corrupted in the course of this evolutionary step, and it was a step into the quagmire we're all swimming in today. <snip> <snip> BTW, if that "bulky old PSU" still works, I'd happily relieve you of the fan and PSU board, and pay you for the freight, except for where you're located. I find them harder and harder to get, <snip>

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ATEX?

by pechter＠ureach.com

---- On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Chris (mythtech(a)Mac.com) wrote: > >Does anyone know anything about an ATEX system? > > Ok... ignore me. I over zealously posted this question to the list > because you people are just so damn smart. > > If I had bothered to even LOOK for myself, I would have found ATEX.com, > > which even has a press release mentioning how The Record (the paper my > friend works at) has been a user of theirs for over 25 years. > > So I think I found at least a strong pointer in the right direction. > (Although, if anyone has a list of commands an ATEX system accepts, that > > would also be helpful... however, it seems they have a number of > different systems available) > > Sorry for wasting the bandwidth. > > -chris > > <http://www.mythtech.net> > > > > This wouldn't happen to have been the Bergen Record... Used to work for one of their papers as a reporter back before I got into PDP11's at DEC. -- Bill Pechter Systems Administrator uReach Technologies 732-335-5432 (Work) 877-661-2126 (Fax)

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unknown SRAM chips

by jdonogh1＠prodigy.net

Anybody have pinouts for these ICs - I think they are some kind of SRAM. Thanks. TMM2068AP-45 HM6147HP-35

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How to disassemble an HSC90?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, has anyone of you ever disassembled an HSC cabinet? I am looking pretty stupid right now. It's not the first piece of DEC iron equipment that I have moved in pieces, I did two VAX6000 and one TU81+. But this one is different. While being half-height like the TU81, it's quite a bit deeper. The side-walls appear to be just locked at the bottom and then hooked such that one can lift it up and off, like the TU81's side walls. However, they do not move no matter how hard I try. I don't find any screws holding them, though. And with the sidewalls on, I cannot remove the top-cover either. So, I was hoping I could at least take it into two pieces by moving the whole core out in one piece. Apparently that central unit is just screwed on the front, like a rack-mount device. Indeed I can move it out quite far. But then it stops at a protruding piece of the backplane circuit board! There seems to be no way to move that core all the way out other than by removing the backplane circuite board. And I'm not going to do that. Other DEC equipment was quite straight forward to disassemble, but this one beats the auto-assembies in difficulty level. I appreciate every advice. My suspicion is that the sidewalls are indeed removable, but mine are just stuck. Someone seen it? regards -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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Price guide for vintage computers

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 10/28/01 10:50:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, vze2wsvr(a)verizon.net writes: << One day your collectionwill be sold off, as you can't take it with you. Don't you want to get the most from your collection/investment? Eric >> I would think that most of us collect for reasons OTHER than specifically for monetary value... Collecting anything almost always is a piss-poor investment. There are better ways to invest money. -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: www.nothingtodo.org

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first step getting VAX 6000-400 booted ...

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Gunther Schadow wrote: > > it still doesn't work. I booted again VMS from TK (takes hours) Why not load up VMS at least for now - it should boot somewhat more quickly! (Althoug, quite worryingly, so should a TK50-based standalone backup!) >trying various combinations of hardware and no success. I have >given the RA90 a device address of 1. I have tried it on both >the KDB50 and the KDM70 without success. Now I am wondering >whether the SDI cable crossover issue is the problem? But >why can Geoff run his RA90 in the basement of his 6000? > >The specifications clearly say that you can do this: > >KDB50---->VAXbulkhead---->SA800bulkhead---->RA90 > >and Geoff does this > >KDB50---->VAXbulkhead---->RA90. Does he? I recall him saying that he has an RA9x in the bottom of his 6000 but I do not recall him stating that he used an even number of cables to do this. >So, the swapping issue seems more complicated than just >an uneven number of SDI cables! But I did exactly what >Geoff did! Or did he do it differently? How? May be there >are two sorts of SDI cables with or without cross-over? AFAIK, *all* SDI cables are the same. Even never works, odd works if everything else is right. > However, VMS never detects any actual drive. So how could I > possibly test this link between KDB50 and drive. It could be > any of this: > > - KDB50 SDI interface damaged but in a way that is not > detected by the self-test > - KDB50 backplane cabling not screwed on tightly enough > - SDI cabling broken > - SDI cabling mismatched (crossover issue) > - RA90 SDI interface damaged but in a way that is not > detected by the self-test > >Is there any resident test that will check the drive/host >interaction without requiring me to wait for another VMS >boot cycle. Each attempt at rewiring and rebooting costs me >about one hour for the VMS to boot from TK again so I need >to keep this minimal. OK. If standalone backup does not see the drive before you get to the $ prompt then something is clearly wrong (it should report a set of available drives, one of which should be DUAn: where n is the unit number). Check the drive first. Press the TEST switch - the TEST light should come on. Press the FAULT switch and *all* lights should come on. Now you know the lights work - press the TEST switch to leave test mode. You can run a set of drive tests as follows: - Power up: you'll setle with a display of R AB - Deselect A & B - press TEST - press Write Protect Now the display is T 00 with the rightmost 0 flashing - Use A & B to select a test number - Start the test by pressing Write Protect The display changes to S NN Once the test has finished the display changes to C NN - Stop the test by pressing A or B - Press TEST to leave test mode. One suggested set of diags is: - Spin *down* the drive - Select T 60 - Press Write Protect to start the test - The display does something like: S 60 LOT C 60 T 00 - T 60 has not done anything - it will simply loop the next test. - Select T 00 - Press Write Protect This will run a set of diags repeatedly. Leave to simmer for 5 minutes. Repeat the above with the drive spun up. (It performs a different set of diags). If all that uncovers no fault, there is a good chance that your drive is OK. You have tried a KDB50 and a KDM70 - assuming those are installed according to the manual, and the processor can see them, then that leaves just the cabling. If you have a KDM70, I would try to use that rather than the KDB50 since that way you do not depend on a working VAXBI bus. >Do we know the pinouts and signal patterns of the SDI (and >BTW the KLESI) so that I oculd use my scope to detect if >the wiring is O.K.? I didn't find pinouts and signals in >the KDB50, RA9x user manual (or the KLESI user manual >respectively). I've never come across a broken SDI cable, but it may be worthwhile doing a simple continuity check - each should be eight cables (four differential signals IIRC). Antonio

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[OT] New toy...

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

An aside and definatly OTis a lot of that found its way into RTTY and a lot of those old M15s and ASR33s printed it. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Greg Ewing <greg(a)cosc.canterbury.ac.nz> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Sunday, October 28, 2001 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [OT] New toy... >John Lawson: > >> FB OM YR SIGS 599 RPT 599 QSL VIA BURO TNX ES 73 DE KB6SCO > >pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com (Pete Turnbull): > >> It's (mostly standard) radio ham CW (continuous wave) abbreviations, used >> to save keying too much morse. > >To those dismayed at the mangulations of language being >used by some people in email these days, this just goes >to show that there's nothing new under the sun. :-) > >Greg Ewing, Computer Science Dept, +--------------------------------------+ >University of Canterbury, | A citizen of NewZealandCorp, a | >Christchurch, New Zealand | wholly-owned subsidiary of USA Inc. | >greg(a)cosc.canterbury.ac.nz +--------------------------------------+

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TOPS, OS or network?

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> TOPS the OS vs TOPS the network, are they related? If you're wanting to know about TOPS-10 or TOPS-20 then I recommend my PDP-10 emulation web page as a starting point: http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/pdp10emu.html If you're wanting to know about the network, isn't that some sort of ancient Macintosh thing? Zane

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unknown SRAM chips

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 28, 13:32, Jim Donoghue wrote: > Anybody have pinouts for these ICs - I think they are some kind of SRAM. > Thanks. > > TMM2068AP-45 TMM is Toshiba. I don't have the data sheet for that one, but I think it's 4K x 4. > HM6147HP-35 Equivalent to an Intel 2147 "high spped" static RAM, 4K x 1bit, 35ns access. 1 A0 18 Vcc 2 A1 17 A6 3 A2 16 A7 4 A3 15 A8 5 A4 14 A9 6 A5 13 A10 7 Dout 12 A11 8 /WE 11 Din 9 GND 10 /CS -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Do we have a VAX organization?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 28, 14:24, John Allain wrote: > > So, a www.vaxpower.org could be it. > > Maybe so, but the www site right now seems to be run by a > crazyman. All it says is "The city of Umbar was built in the > Second Age by Numenorean voyagers." Absurdly Obtuse! Well, it's accurate even if uninformative :-) It's from Lord of the Rings, as is the name Isildur. Quite what that has to do with anything vaxish, I don't know, though :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Do we have a VAX organization?

by Innfogra＠aol.com

One of the big problems that I see is Storage. Paul Pierce had to buy a building to store his collection of big iron, it will become the museum in the future. Big Iron takes space, dry space, with a concrete floor and a loading dock to handle comfortably. Does anyone have extra space. I know of good cheap space in Portland, OR but, as we know rented space is very expensive in the long run. I think it is a good idea to plan ahead for machine deinstalls. They often do come out of service in large batches. Not only are they much less common later but parts and manuals often become very scarce. How about a concrete slab/steel building in the dry part of the South West. Anyone have property or a building for long term storage. I am willing to help with my shipping skills anywhere in the Northwest. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Sharp PC-5000 for sale (early 1983 "laptop") update

by mhstein＠usa.net

You know, Sellam, from a marketing perspective that may not be the most effective title for that web page... I didn't know that the printer was an option; thought they all had one; live & learn. IIRC, the bubble memory cartridges alone were abt, $250, at least up here in the rapidly freezing north. -----------------Original message---------------- Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:58:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)vintage.org> Subject: Re: Sharp PC-5000 for sale (early 1983 "laptop") update Someone's going to get a hell of a deal. Top offer so far is $77. I'm also throwing in the printer module with this: http://www.siconic.com/crap/sharp_t_printer.jpg

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VLB SCSI

by mbbrutman＠magnaspeed.net

I've never had a problem with two Adaptec 2940AU cards, an Adaptec 1542, or 2 Adaptec 1520s. The drivers leave something to be desired once in a while. My 486 VLB system runs a Buslogic BT445S SCSI card (Fast SCSI II) and an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro. The Buslogic has been a wonderful card; it's been in service 7 years now under OS/2, DOS, Winblows, and now Linux. Too bad they were bought out by Mylex, and eventually disappeared into oblivion. Any other Buslogic owners out there? The ATI card was marvellous at the time - 1280x1024 in 256 colors with a 70+ Hz refresh rate. It's a little flakey now - the system requires me to hit the reset switch before it will boot. Replacement ATI VLB cards have been DOA ... apparently they don't age too well.

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Big Iron - was Genrad Futuredata info

by mhstein＠usa.net

Having just dropped a rackmount Cromemco System 3 in the process of moving it, I can assure you that it's (relatively) big and there's lots of iron in that PS transformer... and IIRC, it can support around 32 terminals or so running UNIX with the right cards. --------------Original Message-------------- Craig Landrum skrev: >Also, having just joined this list, it would appear to be >dominated by primarily big iron types instead of us IMSAI >and S100 junkies. Assuming there are a few out there and >you wish to correspond, here's what I have: While I agree that there are a lot of rack-mount random TTL junkies here, to some of us, S-100 and things like that are "big iron" as well. =)

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first step getting VAX 6000-400 booted ...

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Eric Dittman wrote: > >If you can find the manual on the DMB32 it should have the pinouts for >the cable, which will make building a converter even easier. The user guide states that the DMB32 supports the LP32 generic printer specification. The pinout is on p1-13: 1 - DAT 3 5 - DAT 6 6 - DAT 7 8 - STROBE 12 - ONLINE 14 - CONN 17 - DAVFU 18 - DEMAND 20 - DAT 1 22 - DAT 2 23 - DAT 5 24 - DAT 4 26 - DAT 0 27-25 - MODULE GROUND It is a TTL-level interface. Antonio arcarlini(a)iee.org

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first step getting VAX 6000-400 booted ...

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

Peter Wallace wrote: >Something I remember on RA81s is that you have to go from >controller --> cable --> bulkhead connector --> cable --> disk > >if you go directly from controller to disk, you end up with pins swapped >and things dont work (but nothing hurt) I think the rule is you have an *odd* number of connecting cables - since each cable swaps. So in a MicroVAX 3600 you can go directly from KDA50 controller to RA7x internal drive. Or you can go from KDA50 to bulkhead, bulkhead to bulkhead on next cab (e.g. storage array) and from there a third cable goes internally from bulkhead to final drive. In the case of a 6000 typically you go from KDB50 (or KDM70) to bulkhead on 6000 chassis. Then 6000 chassis to Storage Array chassis. Then internally there is a cable from the Storage Array bulkhead to the drive itself. I don't know how the wiring was done for those later kits that allowed RA9x and/or RA7x drives to live in the bottom of the VAX 6000 chassis. Antonio

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Tadpole Sparcbook 2: need bootable software

by bob＠copenhagen.cuug.ab.ca

Greetings all, I wonder if anyone can help me out here. I have a Sparcbook 2 I am trying to resurrect. One of the disks crashed several years ago. I have finally got around to finding a replacement, but now my backup tapes are unreadable, and the CD-ROM I have (NCE 2.0 for Solaris 1.1.1 Version A.2.3) turns out not to be a bootable OS installation CD at all :-( So, I am in search of a CD-ROM of the appropriate kind, or downloadable images of the relevant "stuff" so that I can boot this sucker across a network. I would appreciate a direct reply to my e-mail address so I don't overlook such a reply in the mass of stuff on this mailing list :-) Thanks, Bob. -- Bob Bramwell Snail: 60 Baker Cr. NW | ProntoLogical Calgary, AB | NO LOGO +1 403/861-8827 T2L 1R4, Canada |

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VLB SCSI?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> >I still occasionally have contact with one or more of those 5x86/133's, but they >generally had only one VLB slot. I always needed two or more. Whenever I run I have several of them with two VLB slots and video and IDE/floppy combo cards. They are fairly nice with 16mb ram running most anything, they make good linux boxen. Allison

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Price guide for vintage computers

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> > And although eBay appears to be doing nothing with all that > pricing information of all their past auctions, you never know. > On the other hand, I bet that if you published a price guide > in any market and directly noted that you derived your price > info from eBay auctions, they'd smack you with legal paper > urging you to cease and desist from mining their property > without permission. Ebay says they are not the content provider, so they cannot claim that the item description and closing price are their property. Glen 0/0

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VLB SCSI?

by cmurillo＠emtelsa.multi.net.co

At 12:17 AM 10/28/01 +0100, Iggy wrote: >I've got an IBM-made OEM machine (mine is branded by Lap Power) with a big >daughter-board with seven or so ISA slots and three VLB slots. The mobo >features a Blue Lightning processor and parity RAM. -snip- >Oh, it had an all-plastic DLC-33 FPU from IIT, too. I liked IIT FPU's. Long before MMX, they had things like 4x4 matrix multiply instructions (for implementation of 3D homogeneous transforms, rotation/scaling & such). And they were better at raw computations than the corresponding ix87 part. I remember hand-coding some robot control laws using those instructions. Even though the scaling row is usually left unused in robot apps (but it still is used for computations in the IIT FPU), thus producing some inefficiency, the built-in 4x4 was still much faster than a 3x4 matrix multiply algorithm. carlos. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

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email/browser for DOS or C64/128?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 10/27/01 8:37:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, optimus(a)canit.se writes: << Russ Blakeman skrev: >I know I've seen many things on this in th epast but wasn't paying >attention. I have some free time now and want to do some tinkering. Are >there browsers and email agents for the Commodore 64/128 series and DOS >(2.11 through 6.22). I prefer a free or shareware one to be able to test it >to see if it's a POS or not. I want to use the DOS version on a few >platforms from an 8086/8088 to a 386. I have a 286 portable NEC that I'd >like to try it out on first. >> look for a program called nettamer. there were versions for xt and 386 class PCs. -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: www.nothingtodo.org

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please Id cards (2)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On October 27, Headley Sappleton wrote: > the first card has two mmj ports one coax port and one 15-pin AUI port. Has the inscription DIGITAL 25793 50-21879-01. This is obviously a network card module or something. I am more concerned with what DEC/DIGITAL computer this is used for. It has a vme/nubus kind of connector that plugs it into the motherboard of the DEC No clue. > The second is a strange little card , that is obviously SUN Microsystems made. It has a SCSI port and a port that looks like a phone or 10BASET port with the inscription "TP" and a left/right arrow. This also has the following ID marks (5012981063784 -01 REV 50 LSI) This is a FSBE/S...fast SCSI with buffered 10Mbps ethernet. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Sharp PC-5000 for sale

by vcf＠vintage.org

I have a new-in-box Sharp PC-5000 for sale at $350 or best offer by 6:00PM PST October 31st. That is, $350 takes it now (going by first received e-mail response); otherwise, it goes to the best offer under $350 that I receive by 6PM-10/31. Buyer pays shipping from zip code 94588. I am willing to ship internationally The Sharp PC-5000 is one of the very first clamshell style portables (later known as laptops) circa 1983. According to our own Uncle Roger, it even beat out the Gavilan. http://sinasohn.com/cgi-bin/clascomp/bldhtm.pl?computer=shp5000 This unit comes in the original box, with the original packing foam, is basically new, has the manuals and battery and power supply (everything that originally came with it), as well as a bubble memory carthridge. Photos: The Computer http://www.siconic.com/crap/sharp5000.jpg The Box http://www.siconic.com/crap/sharp_box.jpg The Manual http://www.siconic.com/crap/Sharp_us_g.jpg The Bubble Memory Module http://www.siconic.com/crap/Sharp_Bm_box.jpg Please reply directly to me at <sellam(a)vintage.org>. If you have any questions, ask away! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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please Id cards (2)

by hsappleton＠sprintmail.com

the first card has two mmj ports one coax port and one 15-pin AUI port. Has the inscription DIGITAL 25793 50-21879-01. This is obviously a network card module or something. I am more concerned with what DEC/DIGITAL computer this is used for. It has a vme/nubus kind of connector that plugs it into the motherboard of the DEC The second is a strange little card , that is obviously SUN Microsystems made. It has a SCSI port and a port that looks like a phone or 10BASET port with the inscription "TP" and a left/right arrow. This also has the following ID marks (5012981063784 -01 REV 50 LSI)

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Genrad Futuredata info

by clandrum＠monumental.com

For those few of you that may own a Futuredata development system (Tony?) I managed to track down the last engineer employed by Genrad/Kontron/Futuredata in the US. His name is Tom de Lellis and he can be reached at tdel(a)windriver.com Tom has a LOT of software and *some* hardware that I placed first dibs on... Also, having just joined this list, it would appear to be dominated by primarily big iron types instead of us IMSAI and S100 junkies. Assuming there are a few out there and you wish to correspond, here's what I have: Two loaded IMSAI 8080's with both 8 inch and 5.25 drives. An Odell CP/M 8085 multibus-based word processor Morrow systems portable CP/M machine Two Futuredata 2300 Z80 development machines Trash 80 Model 1 Altair (front panel and bus, looking for boz and front cover) Spare 8 inch Shugart drives 20 or 30 S100 boards of various types (mem, disk, cpu,IO) Masccomp 5500, 68010 Unix box I can burn 2708,2716,2732 EPROMs on a one-up basis if given an intel HEX file and some word of encouragement. Everything boots and I have extensive doc on everything. Would like to obtain a working ASR33 teletype with a paper tape punch. They guy who had the SOL + teletype drop in his lap made me drool. (and I bet he meant 750KB drives). FYI, I'm in Virginia about an hour west of DC, dodging the Anthrax clouds.... Craig Landrum CTO Mindwrap, Inc. home: clandrum(a)monumental.com work: craigl(a)mindwrap.com

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[OT] New toy...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On October 27, Daniel A. Seagraves wrote: > FB (I dunno) FB means "Fine Business". > VIA BURO (I dunno again) Send a QSL card via a QSL bureau...a sort of clearinghouse and routing organization for QSL cards. -Dvae -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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[OT] New toy...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

I got a new toy today... The FCC granted me the callsign KC9ALV. Now not only can I annoy my mom by leaving large computer parts around the house, I can annoy her by coming over the phone lines and TV and such. ^_^ (I'm just kidding... All I have that I can use is an HT, I didn't pass the Morse so the HF rig is a paperweight until December, which is the next time the test runs around here. But once I get HF access, I may have to worry! ^_^ And I do know enough about RFI to know how to stop it, I'm just making a joke about it.) -------

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Falling off the internet

by vaxman＠qwest.net

I just received notification from Qwest that I am being moved to MSN, so I will be falling off the internet for a while until I get a new DSL provider hooked up. If there is desire to reach me, my work email is: clintw(a)colorado.cirrus.com Y'all be good, and play nice together :) Clint

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SLOT 8 (was: ISA cards for free..

by mhstein＠usa.net

You're quite right, the 5161 Personal Computer Expansion Unit; just threw one out last week, as a matter of fact... mike ---------------Original Message-------------- Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:01:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Kees Stravers <kees.stravers(a)iae.nl> Subject: Re: SLOT 8 (was: ISA cards for free.. At 09:29 26-10-01 -0700, you wrote: >I have no idea why IBM did that. Perhaps intending it for some >"special" card that would need it, such as a coprocessor? AFAIK slot 8 in the XT was meant for a bus extender card. There was available a box which looked just like a XT but only had a psu and a passive motherboard inside. You put a bus ext card in that box and in the XT, and you could add seven more cards to the system. Kees. - -- kees.stravers(a)iae.nl - Geldrop, The Netherlands http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/

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RD54 and RT-11 5.4D

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Eric Dittman <dittman(a)dittman.net> >I recently swapped the MV II CPU and memory in my BA23 with a >PDP-11/73 CPU and memory. I booted RT-11 V5.4D and attempted >to init the RD54, which failed: > >.init /segment:5 du0: >DU0:/Initialize; Are you sure? Y >?DUP-F-Directory output error DU0: >The drive was working just fine as a ODS-2 volume. I don't have >to low-level format, do I? It it was working before all you need to do is INIT the disk to establish an RT file system. The problem is RT11 doesnt like 160mb as it wants not more than 32mb per logical or physical drive. Me I keep a bunch of quantum D540s (31mb) for that use. Allison

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IBM PowerStation 530 - Who wants it?

by millerbj＠umich.edu

Hey all, Well, after dealing with my postings of rather mundane questions about the PowerStation 530 about a month ago, I disappeared. Now I'm back, and I've got only one question - who wants it? The thing is, as much fun as it would be to screw around with the thing, I simply don't have the time to do so, and what's the point of depriving the world of a classic computer just so that someday, I'll look at it, forget about this email list, and toss it in the trash. To hell with that. So, here goes: I know someone from this list already wanted the computer >from me, but I lost his/her email. If you still want it, you get first crack. Otherwise, anyone who's willing to drive over to Ann Arbor and pick it up from my dorm is more than welcome. Or, if the case need be, and you're close enough (say... 50 miles or so) and you want to pay me gas money, I'll drop it off (it gets really boring here, I drive around aimlessly to keep myself entertained, so going somewhere would be perhaps even more interesting). Oh, the computer is a working IBM Powerstation 530 without a monitor, keyboard, etc... I have an adaptor cable to convert the three D-sub mini BNC to regular BNC, and also perhaps 3 30 or so foot RGB BNC cables (probably not useful at all, but if someone wants them, again, just let me know). I don't know how much RAM, etc. I do have the key for it. Thanks, sorry for the length. Blair

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Fw: BA350

by fultoncmf＠starband.net

I have a BA350 that has quit. According to the doc's I have a dead power supply. It would be a BA350-KF 150 watt power supply. Does anyone have any tips or tricks to these? If not any idea for finding a replacement? TIA Carl

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Vintage NASA software available

by mark_k＠totalise.co.uk

Hi, On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 Michael Nadeau wrote: > Open Channel Software is making old NASA applications available for > download. There is a fee involved for what's called the NASA Classics > collection, and the goal is to encourage commercial development of the > applications. The list is at http://www.openchannelsoftware.com/NASA_1.html. > I have no connection with OCS or NASA, but just happened to come across a > press release about the offer. I'm not sure how their current license will encourage any develpment, commercial or otherwise. I looked at the page for one program, for counting lines of source code: http://www.openchannelsoftware.com/projects/SLOCC/ Clicking the "Get SLOCC" link reveals cost of obtaining the source code to this written-in-Microsoft-Access-BASIC program is $100. According to the license, you can use, copy & modify the program only for non- commercial, private, internal purposes. You can't distribute it to anyone else. Very open source. How is that different from any other commercial prodcut for which source code is/was available for a fee? (VMS?) -- Mark

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value of classic DEC machines?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: John Allain <allain(a)panix.com> To: One Without Reason <vance(a)ikickass.org> > List me as one home-to-be for a working '11 system. > Anybody know if an 11/70 can be fit into a single rack? Yes but... You will be limited in options and cooling will likely require no side pannels or rear door. Allison

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Falling off the internet

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Earthlink & Covad offer a static IP DSL service using PPPoet that I >should be able to make work under FreeBSD. 1.5MB down, 256? up, full >time connection, static IP, $64.95 a month. Seems like a smoking >deal to me... And QWest doesn't get a dime... And everyone I've >talked to about earthlink is reasonablly happy... I have been using SpeakEasy (www.speakeasy.net) for some time, and have been very happy with them. I have a static IP and no PPPoe! (Of course, I am also on iDSL). They offer a range of services, and a range of prices. You can check them out if you want (I get nothing for refering you, so I don't care either way, just figured I would give you another "good" DSL provider to widen your options) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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VLB SCSI?

by dittman＠dittman.net

> Does anyone have a VLB system that needs a VLB SCSI controllers? > I have an Ultrastor 34F and an Adaptec 2842 free, just pay shipping. > Otherwise, I'll just toss them. That was fast. They've been claimed. Thanks. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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ATEX?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

Does anyone know anything about an ATEX system? A friend works for a local newspaper, and they use a system called ATEX (that is the only name anyone seems to know it by) to submit stories to press. It has a remote dial-in ability and I just wasted 3 hours tonight trying to teach my friend's friend how to use a terminal program to access the system (it would have been less time if my friend would have shut up and stopped trying to help... he just couldn't grasp that Zterm on the mac that he uses shares no common abilities with HyperTerm on windows that his friend is using). My point to this is, I realized after spending 3 hours on this, that in the SAME 3 hours, I could have written a simple GUI application to speak to the system and made life a million times easier. When I mentioned this to him and his friend, they started to drool. It seems most of the writers there use the remote ATEX dialup, and they ALL hate the command line terminals. He said people there would love to get access to a nice friendly program. That of course sang songs of Shareware into my head. So my question is... what are the possible commands that ATEX can use? My friend knows a handful of the basic common ones, which is a good starting ground, but he doesn't use all the features. He also knows there are features he uses from the terminals at work, that he can't use from home, because there are custom keys for them (I am sure they are just F keys that are mapped to certain commands, but that is above his head). He said he will try to get info on the system, but having dealt with the paper's IT staff before, I am sure he will hit a road block. I am looking for any info that anyone might have on one of these systems. I am SURE it is classic, as I know the same terminals are in use now as were in use when I toured the paper's offices in the 3rd grade. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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blinkenlights for everybody (?)

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Hi all. Some weeks ago there was a thread about blinkenlights and consoles. It was mentioned that a simple piece of hardware (just a few resistors two transistors and 16 LEDs) connected to the printer port of a PC can be brought to life when you run Ersatz-11. Well, it took some time for me to decide whether I should go 'public' with a project I intend to embark on. In short: a *_full_* console on a PC that runs Ersatz-11. The reason to announce the project is to get feedback. Am I on the right track. Have a look, on this page (part of my website) you can find a small ZIP file that contains the draft document that descibes it. http://home.hetnet.nl/~tshaj/pdpsite/homebrew/startframe.html Any comment is appreciated. - Henk.

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MacOS DHCP Server?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Speaking of LocalTalk, does anyone have TOPS software for PCs? I have two copies of it (TOPS for DOS v2.1). Unfortuantly, both are in use (they go with my two LocalTalk cards), so I am not willing to get rid of them. However, I don't know your (or the general list) stance on abandonware, and if TOPS qualifies. If it does, and I won't get chastised on this list for doing so, I would have no problems duplicating the install disks, and running off a copy of the manual for you. Of course, I can't sell it to you (outside of postage and material costs) because that would be piracy no matter HOW you slice it (selling for profit a copy of software while retaining the original, even if abandonware, is just not right in my book). I do know that TOPS is serialized, and checks itself on the network. You need a different code for each copy. I don't think the software itself is serialized, so you can install from the same disks, you just need to register it with different codes or duplicates will disable each other. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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OT: Re: Periodic rants on eBay

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! > You know, if someone is going to be an excited collector, ! > they should be ! > an EDUCATED collector. ALL macs up thru the Plus and part ! > way thru the SE ! > were signed on the inside by the original design team. ! ! For that matter, my IIcis both have the signatures in the ! bottom of the case. Where exactly in the bottom? I'll have to check mine... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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ISA cards for free..

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, There was more demand for some of these than I would have guessed.... Thanks, however, to Sellam's Apple II Random Number Generator (heh -- couldn't resist), the "winners" have been chosen. Unfortunately, I left the list at home, so I'll notify people later today, when I go home for lunch. Still no takers on the Async cards (Tony is correct about the two jumper blocks), and still plenty of floppy controllers. Also, Tony was spot on about the Everex card. The 6116 is in a socket that can also accommodate a larger chip. I'd go with his guess that this is some sort of QIC controller/formatter... It's still up for grabs.... Rich B. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin

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H9672 or H984 por one PDP/11 23 PLUS needed

by spedraja＠ono.com

Hi there. Can somebody tell me a good place to obtain one H9672 or one H984 enclosures to put my PDP-11 23 PLUS enclosure plus another BA11 for expansion purposes I have ? I should like to know it because it's possible that I could obtain one Shugart 8" disk and one or two SMD. I have too one TS05 that I want to begin to hack, and I'd like to get all of them together and working. I have too three Shugart SA-800 8" floppy units that I must clean and probe. I need one enclosure for two of these units, that comes with power supply. Thanks and Greetings Sergio

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value of classic DEC machines?

by spedraja＠ono.com

Yes if this is in Europe :-) Regards Sergio -----Mensaje original----- De: Heinz Wolter <h.wolter(a)sympatico.ca> Para: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Fecha: s?bado, 27 de octubre de 2001 6:47 Asunto: Re: value of classic DEC machines? >> I have an 11/70 and it's a beautiful machine. I'd love to have another to >> play with. >> >> Peace... Sridhar > >For every dog, there is a flea... >I'll send the scrap truck over to your huge warehouse next time;) >I've already turned down 2 complete 11/70s due to size- >you'll find most 11/70 configs too physically large for >most home or basement collections (3 racks?). They're also >hungry on the power side, so I don't run my Datasystem 570- >a repackaged 11/70 in a vax780-like "wide bay" - even if it >lives in a warehouse... > >At least two commercial DEC restorers I know basically scrap >the 70's (since "no one wants them" - which I read "no one wants >to pay for them" ) or are forced to remove them along with more >interesting stuff as part of the deal (and scrap them later;) >Should someone start an 11/70 orphanage for all those >unwanted machines? > >Cheers, >Heinz >

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ATEX?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Does anyone know anything about an ATEX system? Ok... ignore me. I over zealously posted this question to the list because you people are just so damn smart. If I had bothered to even LOOK for myself, I would have found ATEX.com, which even has a press release mentioning how The Record (the paper my friend works at) has been a user of theirs for over 25 years. So I think I found at least a strong pointer in the right direction. (Although, if anyone has a list of commands an ATEX system accepts, that would also be helpful... however, it seems they have a number of different systems available) Sorry for wasting the bandwidth. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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blinkenlights for everybody (?)

by mhstein＠usa.net

Looks great; good luck & congratulations. Just don't let Tony & the boys see that part about using 556's for baud rate & interrupt timers or THAT thread'll go on for another month... *Almost* makes me want to put a PC behind the Burroughs B2000 console I've got gathering dust in my basement... mike ----------------Original Message---------------- Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:34:09 +0200 From: Gooijen H <GOOI(a)oce.nl> Subject: blinkenlights for everybody (?) Hi all. Some weeks ago there was a thread about blinkenlights and consoles. It was mentioned that a simple piece of hardware (just a few resistors two transistors and 16 LEDs) connected to the printer port of a PC can be brought to life when you run Ersatz-11. Well, it took some time for me to decide whether I should go 'public' with a project I intend to embark on. In short: a *_full_* console on a PC that runs Ersatz-11. The reason to announce the project is to get feedback. Am I on the right track. Have a look, on this page (part of my website) you can find a small ZIP file that contains the draft document that descibes it. http://home.hetnet.nl/~tshaj/pdpsite/homebrew/startframe.html Any comment is appreciated. - - Henk.

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Um, SOL50 fell in my lap

by r.stek＠snet.net

I'm still a little confused. Processor Technology Corp. (not Processor Technologies - couldn't find a reference for them on the web) best known machine was the Sol-20 - 8080 based in a blue metal cabinet, keyboard built in, with walnut wood sides. They supposedly made a small number of Sol-10's, and were planning on both an S-100 color board and a revised Sol - a Sol-II? Not sure of the name. Could what you have be a prototype? Their Helios drives were also packaged in a blue case and the drives were mounted vertically. I have owned Morrow assembled Discus 8" floppies, their first 5.25" hard drives (5, 10, 15 and 20 MB IIRC), and have worked on a 14" Morrow hard drive. I don't recall a 10" wide 7.50 MB drive. I do recall and had owned a 15 MB 5.25" drive from Morrow - I suppose if it had a bad platter it could have been sold as a 7.5 MB drive. IIRC, their drives just had the standard Shugart or Seagate black face plate and activity LED sticking out of a non-descript chassis with power supply, and had ribbon cables to attach to the S-100 controller card. Are we any closer to identifying this machine? Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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Um, SOL50 fell in my lap

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Verified with a source, Sol50 from Processor Technologies. Company was named Processor Technology, not Processor Technologies. I join with others in failing to recall a SOL-50 in the line. Possibly, a third-party reselling re-labeled it to distinguish his value-added package from the standard SOL-PC, SOL-10, and SOL-20 which were what the firms actually sold. A Z-80 upgrade for the SOL that I recently sold came with a new nameplate to rename the machine 'ZOL' instead of 'SOL'; maybe we're looking at a similar phenomenon. Regards, -doug q

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Um, SOL50 fell in my lap

by r.stek＠snet.net

Do you mean a SOL-20 by Processor Technology? Also, Morrow Designs (Thinkertoys) made 8" SS DD and DS DD floppy drives - 512k to 1024k. Or are you referring to something completely different?

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SLOT 8 (was: ISA cards for free..

by mhstein＠usa.net

> Was that "slot-8" compatibility creature a bug in the PC as well? Yes and no. :-) Since the PC had 5 slots, there was HARDLY EVER a problem with slot number 8! - -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com ------------------------------- ROFL! Been kinda missing the humour on here; thanks for the chuckle, Fred!

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SLOT 8 (was: ISA cards for free..

by kees.stravers＠iae.nl

At 09:29 26-10-01 -0700, you wrote: >I have no idea why IBM did that. Perhaps intending it for some >"special" card that would need it, such as a coprocessor? AFAIK slot 8 in the XT was meant for a bus extender card. There was available a box which looked just like a XT but only had a psu and a passive motherboard inside. You put a bus ext card in that box and in the XT, and you could add seven more cards to the system. Kees. -- kees.stravers(a)iae.nl - Geldrop, The Netherlands http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/

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Reading non-PC format floppies (+ OT questions :-)

by wrm＠ccii.co.za

Iggy sez: >Sellam Ismail skrev: >>Tony, please cut the bullshit already. *snip* >rudeness. Why do you feel such an urge to insult everyone and everything on >this list? Oi, I thought it was funny. Hillarious, even. Sheesh, I would pay real money for a few "programmers" on Tony's level of competence... OBclassiccmp: I'm playing with various bits of hardware as time permits. If anyone has info, please forward, it will help me re-reverse-engineer the wheel... (1) Osborne 1. - Keyboard is shorted internally. Screen reads "insert disk and press Enter" or whatever, then refreshes / redraws all the time. This stops when I unplug the keyboard. I think I know which two pins connect to the Enter key, when I short those two pins same thing happens. I'm suspecting the 8877 FDC chip. Does anyone have: -- Memory (I/O) map -- Schematic (ja sure :-) -- BIOS disassembly -- tips on fixing the keyboard? (2) Apollo DN3000 and DN3500 -- Looks like the monitor/BIOS rom for the 3000 was written in C. Anybody know anything more than this? -- Memory map? -- Schematics? (I kill myself, I know :-) (3) WPC (checks, youch, well, the system is 10 years old, even though my Addams Family will only get there in 2002...) Bank switched 6809. Figured out the memory map and most of what I need to know of the ASIC from the MAME source. How *they* figured it out is anyone's guess, but there's a bunch of hackers worth admiring. -- Generic question... anyone else messing around with WPC? Or Sys80 for that matter? (Haunted House, for those who are still reading :-) Seeya all Wouter www.retro.co.za

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FS: Emulex P800, Gatorstar GXR, LanBridge

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On October 26, Chuck McManis wrote: > I've also got an Emulex P800 which looks like a MAU but it could be a > terminal server. Its pretty cool is says "Performance 8000", has dual > Ethernet connections on the back (AUI), dual power supplies, and what looks > like 12 DB25 ports (I can't imagine a fault tolerant terminal server, but > there you go. Free to a home somewhere. The Emulex "Performance 4000", at least, is indeed a terminal server. > Finally I've got a couple DEC LanBridges (100 and a 150), they look like > straight bridges but they just have two AUI connectors. Perhaps they do > filtering or something? The LANbridge 100 and 150 do MAC-level bridging. I'm told they support spanning tree. I've used many of them to segregate networks; they've always served me well. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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HH8899 eecchhoo

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

I was recently given a Heathkit H89 with all three distribution disks. The system boots CP/M 2.2, looks for a configuration file, doesn't find it on the write-protected boot disk, and initiates a setup program. The setup utility offers a "standard" configuration, or I can display settings for all of the physical and logical devices, and change those settings. Upon exiting the setup program, the result is always the same: all keyboard input produces double characters on the screen. I don't see anything in the setup utility pertaining to local echo. What am I missing here? Glen Goodwin 0/0

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MacOS DHCP Server?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Sounds like you actually have the software running, whats it like, what are >you doing with it? >From the PC side of things, it is just being used to access a networked printer over our old AppleTalk network. I have just been too lazy to upgrade that wing of the building to Ethernet to match the rest of the place. So they use the old TeleNet network, and that now terminates in my office, where it routes thru a Localtalk to Ethernet converter, and continues on to the Ethernet network, where they access our HP 4000 (or any other printer they want). It works great for this, but honestly, I would have to play a bit with it to tell you much about it. I am not the one that originally installed the software on the PCs, so I know little about it. I could tell you more about the Mac end of things, as we used to actually use the file sharing abilites of that (up until System 7 added easier to use personal file server). It has been a while since I had a mac with it installed (we stopped buying it for new macs when I explained one day, that if all we were doing was printing, we didn't need tops on the mac, appletalk printing was built in... so my boss stopped paying $400 a pop for it... it wasn't until later that I started using it for file sharing, figuring we had it, might as well use it) >Abandoneware is one thing, but this is "throw your customers off a >cliffware". Ultimately Sun owns the rights to the TOPS network protocol, at >least I think, but Symantec and Farallon pretend this era of product which >came with LIFETIME support etc. never existed. All the versions I have are marked as being from Sun, who is the only company I remember dealing with for TOPS (not saying others didn't own it, I just never dealt with them... my boxes are all marked "TOPS Division of Sun Microsystems... implying that they TOPS on a whole). The customer support manual does very specifically state that as a registered user, I get free support, no matter how long I own TOPS, as long as I own the current, or the previous release. They also say I get free notification of enhancements, updates, and new products... I have 2.1 for DOS, I wonder if that still qualifies... Why aren't they spamming me with new product announcements damnit! >Wants some fun, buy an EXPENSIVE sealed retail box new old stock product, >then without opening the envelope with the discs, send a letter to the >company informing them that you are NOT willing to comply with the terms of >their license agreement and want a refund of the retail price of the >package. I think I have an unopened copy of Windows For Workgroups.... That must have been pricey in its day... I wonder if MS will give me my money back... oh wait, no they won't, at least not if their refusal to the Linux community is any indication. Humm... does that then relieve me of the agreement, if I refused to accept it, and notified them, and they refuse to take it back and refund me... shouldn't I be legally allowed to do with it as I please, including use the disks as drink coasters? (You thought I would say duplicate it and give it away, but I can't in good concious subject others to Windows anything!) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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NCD collectors/users?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

I've got a set of three NCD X-terminals, an HMX, an HMXpro, and an HMXpro24 that are available in the SF Bay area, I've got no idea if they work or not, no reason to believe that they don't. If someone can indicate how to test them I'll do that. Ideally to trade for some sort of DEC VAX stuff. --Chuck

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FS: Emulex P800, Gatorstar GXR, LanBridge

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Anyone need a GatorStar GXR? From the web: GatorStar GXR -- an active device that combines an AppleTalk router attached to an Ethernet and a LocalTalk network with an AppleTalk to TCP/IP gateway (LocalTalk does not support direct transmission of IP packets) so that IP packets on the Ethernet are passed as special IP packets on the LocalTalk. A GatorStar GXR is a specific example, there are other products that do similar things Best/Any offer by 5:00PM monday PST takes it. Minimum off is "I'll cover the cost of mailing it to me." I've also got an Emulex P800 which looks like a MAU but it could be a terminal server. Its pretty cool is says "Performance 8000", has dual Ethernet connections on the back (AUI), dual power supplies, and what looks like 12 DB25 ports (I can't imagine a fault tolerant terminal server, but there you go. Free to a home somewhere. Finally I've got a couple DEC LanBridges (100 and a 150), they look like straight bridges but they just have two AUI connectors. Perhaps they do filtering or something? --Chuck

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The new VAX is alive!

by rdd＠smart.net

This afternoon, I ordered, and then picked up, a cable with MMJ connectors on it from Control Cable (they're in Woodlawn, MD) - a nice place to deal with; they specialize in cabling and related products, and what they sell appears to be of very good quality. The cost of the assembled cable was only a few cents different from their cost for a cable and two MMJ connectors, and was under US$5; of course, I had to pay US$5 extra since the order was under US$50, but that was no worse than shipping would have been if I'd ordered them from elsewhere. After connecting the VT320 to the VAX, I reset the system password. Fortunately, this VAX has the "real VMS" (TM) for VAXen on it: VAX/VMS, and it's a reasonably recent version: 5.5, which was close to the lastest version of VMS back when I last worked with a VAX for an employer, back around 1992. :-) This far, I haven't noticed anything truly remarkable with regards to software, although at first glance, it looks like nothing is missing. Fortunately, someone installed kermit, so that will make things, such as installing TCP/IP, easier. :-) There appears to be a fair amount of audio software, which I think may all be for use with that DECVoice system; text to voice software, for example. Since I don't have a T1 telephone connection, alas, it appears that I'm not going to be able to use this DECVoice hardware, and the audio software on this machine. Also, there's a mention of SQL in one of the text files that I looked through, although I didn't notice any database software installed; of course, I don't know the names of databases using SQL for VAXen. DECnet is installed and apparently configured, so I guess this means that I can use my DEC terminal server with this machine... do I need to do anything other than connect the terminal server to the VAX and then use it? I know nothing about DECnet. Of course, there's still the little matter of no tape drive being installed in this system, which is not a good thing. I have a TK70 and a TK50, along with a TKQ70 board. -- Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd(a)rddavis.net 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.net beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.

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