- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/30/01 10:55:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, celt(a)chisp.net writes: > Traf-O-Data automatic traffic measuring device - Microsoft's first piece > of hardware > I would like to know more about this? What, When, Why, What happened to it? Paxton Astoria, OR

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Central Point Option Board (earlier non-ASIC version) chips

by fmc＠reanimators.org

ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote: > U23 is still a TTL type (a 3-state buffer, not a counter, now), so data > on it is trivial to find. Yes, it was the difference in number that suggested a difference in function and that is why I thought I should bring attention to it. Not being a hardware guy, I don't have that (number, function) map cached in my brain. > I don't recognise U3, though. I guess it was made by UMC. How many pins > does it have? Eight. mark_k (who started this thread) told me it is a data separator. -Frank McConnell

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Atari 4160STE ?!

by walgen＠e-Spirit.de

Hi, I just got an Atari 4160STE (case only) - does anyone know details about the history of this machine? Some sources say that it was a developer version of the Atari 1040STE ... http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=272 BTW: Is there a complete list of all Atari 16Bit computers that were sold? As far as I kown at least these models were sold - because I own them :) I own: Atari 260 ST Atari 520 ST Atari 520 STM (boxed) Atari 520+ ST Atari 520 STFM Atari 1040 STF Atari 1040 STFM Atari Mega ST-1 Atari Mega ST-2 Atari 520 STE Atari 1040 STE Atari MEGA STE Atari Falcon 030 Atari ATW 800 Atari ST Book I know but don't own: Atari Stacy Atari TT Atari Mega ST-4 Stefan. www.HomeComputer.de

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Central Point Option Board (earlier non-ASIC version) chips

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> wrote: > Okay, starting at top-left hand and reading horizontally, they are as > follow: > > HD74LS112P HD74LS11P HD74LS153P DM74LS163AN > SN74SO4N SN74LS393N SN74LS174 SN74LS163AN > SN74LS174N HD74LS86P HD74LS163P > SN7433N SN74LS174N HD74LS273P > HD74LS14P HD74LS367AP HD74LS194AP HD74LS374P > SN74LS133N HD74LS32P HD74LS194AP HD74LS374P Hmm, mine looks like this. * marks what I take to be significant differences. (U5) HD74LS112P (U11) HD74LS11P (U17) HD74LS153P (U23) HD74LS125AP * (U4) 74S404PC (U10) SN74LS393N (U16) SN74LS174N (U22) SN74LS163AN (U3) UM8326 * (U9) SN74LS174N (U15) HD74LS86P (U21) DM74LS163AN (U8) SN7433N (U14) SN74LS174N (U20) HD74LS273P (U2) HD74LS14P (U7) HD74LS367AP (U13) HD74LS194AP (U19) HD74LS374P (U1) SN74LS133N (U6) HD74LS32P (U12) HD74LS194AP (U18) HD74LS374P -Frank McConnell

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FS: HiNote

by oliv555＠arrl.net

Thought I'd offer up my ultraII before eBaying it. Just upgraded to a HiNote 233. Digital HiNote UltraII model LTS5150 Win98, 150mhz cpu 32mb ram 1.4gb hard drive floppy drive dock 6xCD mobilemedia dock i/o expansion dock ac adapter NOTE: battery does not hold charge $85, shipping included No docs or software other than the loaded os. The only flaw im aware of, about 1 of every 10 bootups it stops at the end. Always fixed with a reboot. Don't recall this happening when I was running w95. see at: http://www.hal-pc.org/~nicko/hinote.jpg -nick

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HD Controllers - S-100 & Corvus Omninet

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> wrote: > I had a couple of IMI drives back in the '80's and find, from my > doc's that they were, in fact, ST506 compatible. I wonder if the > drives you're seeing in your brocheure are earlier than that. I believe they are. The photocopied brochure pages are stapled to photocopied pages from a 7710 disc drive specification manual, and those latter pages are dated 1/79 and 5/79. -Frank McConnell

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History of Computing exam question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: One Without Reason <vance(a)ikickass.org> > >> Well for one the PDP-6 was a 36 bit machine that predated the PDP10. >> The PDP-7 was an 18bitter, and unix was devoped on it because they had >> one and not many other good reasons. > >So what? The fact that UNIX was developed on it is in itself a historic >fact. The fact that unix was not developed on 36 bit. And the 18bit machines were somewhat different from the 36bitters. Oh, and while they were both DEC K&R happed to have access to the PDP-7. Allison

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Central Point Option Board (earlier non-ASIC version) chips

by mark_k＠totalise.co.uk

Hi, This is quite urgent. Can someone who has the earlier version of the Central Point Option Board (also known as Copy II PC Option Board) please type up the part numbers of all chips on the card? Or scan the card at a decent resolution so all chip markings are legible. I want to get datasheets for as many of the ICs on the card as possible. Assuming some are not just simple TTL chips, the best place to look for these would be the FreeTradeZone web site. As mentioned a few days ago, that will no longer be accessible for free in a few days time. (I don't have an older Option Board yet. I want to get info on the ICs it uses for a possible future reverse-engineering effort, to figure out how the card works, and allow low-level disk-imaging software to be written.) -- Mark

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PDP-9 lives

by hansp＠aconit.org

I am very happy to be able to announce that the PDP-9 that we have been working on for quite some time finally began talking to the world again today. We had gotten memory and processor operational, then had to fix a memory fault which developed. TTY I/O posed some problems but finally today it spoke and we could reply. We ran the only two test routines we have on paper tape: the extended memory test and the TTY test. There appears to be some issue with the TTY since part 1 test halts after a while with PC=22, no mention of that in the test writeup! TTY test part 2 runs without error. Anyways, we plan on completeing checkout on this system, fix a couple of burnt our indicator bulbs and get the punch up before starting on the second system we have. That one has a dual dectapes, then we can read the 100 or so tapes trhat came with the system, and run some real software ;-) I'd be interested in knowing the status of other pdp-9's. Regards -- hbp for ACONIT, Grenoble France

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History of Computing exam question

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 12:08 PM 11/30/01 -0600, you wrote: >I would add: HP2000 timeshare system..widely used, often provided the >first exposure to computers that got many of us started in the field. My first intro to "real" computers: IBM's ITF (interactive terminal facility) timeshare system that ran on the 360/370 mainframes. Not widely used (I heard it was 10 installations worldwide), but must have been a huge development effort on the part of IBM. A scaled down locked down (but I did figure out how to crash it) TSO with Basic and PL/I programming langs. Changed my life, possibly for the worse, 25+ years ago. Hmm... Others I'd put on the list from personal experience: IBM/360 Early HP3000 (series I,II,III) PDP-11 Apple II IBM PC 5150

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Sun Optical mouse pad anyone?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 1, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > > Type 4 mice require a different optical pad than type 5. > I found that the type of pad does not matter. Type 3 definitely requires a different pad from type 4...got frustrated by this many, many times while outfitting the early Digex offices with diskless Sun3/50, 3/60, & 3/140 machines as X terminals using Xkernel. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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DEC Infoserver 150

by vance＠ikickass.org

Hi folks. I got a few questions. First, is there anything that makes this box different from a plain-vanilla VAXserver 3100? Second, does anyone have the software for this bad boy? Third, will the software run on a regular VAXserver 3100? Fourth, what does the software consist of? Peace... Sridhar

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HD Controllers - S-100 & Corvus Omninet

by fmc＠reanimators.org

M H Stein <mhstein(a)usa.net> wrote: > Does anybody know anything about the HD interface bus Cromemco used > with their early IMI drives (7012 - 8" with transparent cover, 5007, > 5018 & 5021 5 1/2") and the WDI/WDI-II controllers? I'm just curious > if the same interface was used in any other systems (single 34 pin > header, 7 units max, differential servo clock supplied by drive, so > it doesn't look like SA1000). Yes, Corvus used these drives. I'd expect Onyx did too; the story is that the VC who funded IMI also funded Onyx and Corvus so that IMI would have customers. It's interesting to know that Cromemco used them too. I'm sitting here looking at a photocopy of a data sheet of sorts for the IMI 7710, and it does provide some description of the interface. 25 signals on a 34-line bus. I suspect it's somewhere between "more than I want to type" and "less than you need to know to use the drive", because I can't quite figure out how you would transfer a block of data to the drive from what's printed here. > Interesting aside: when Cromemco finally went the ST506 route with the > STDC controller, they made a replacement HD board available to convert the > IMI 5 1/2" drives to a standard ST506 interface. Neat! > Finally, I also have a Corvus S-100 board; looks like it might be a > host adapter for a disk drive of some sort. Only markings are > Corvus S-100, 8008 REV K, copyright 1980; 11 TTL chips & a 34 pin > header. Anybody know what it is and/or want it? Yes, that's the Corvus hard disk interface for S-100, p/n 8010-08008-00. I could be interested in it. -Frank McConnell

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PDP-8/E questions

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 1, 0:20, Mike Cruse wrote: > Pete Turnbull wrote: > >In that case, I exercise my right to change my mind, and I think they > >probably are the right way round. The air blown out of the PSU isn't very > >warm, but it will presumably be warmer when I put lots of cards in and give > >it more of a load. > > > The fans are blowing the right way. The filter was usually mount over > the vents on > the right side of the case if installed. That way when the filter foam > finally hydrolized > it got sucked into the case, just like RK05 drives... And most other mchines. Of course :-) > Don't worry, once you get a few cards in the machine you'll get plenty > of heat pumping out the left side. Got any spares so I can check? ;-) I'm looking for a TD8-E and an RX8-E in particular... -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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DEC Infoserver 150

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 1, One Without Reason wrote: > Hi folks. I got a few questions. First, is there anything that makes > this box different from a plain-vanilla VAXserver 3100? Second, does > anyone have the software for this bad boy? Third, will the software run > on a regular VAXserver 3100? Fourth, what does the software consist of? I've got the software, Sridhar...I will hook you up as soon as I get it unpacked. Dunno about the VS3100/IS150 comparison offhand, but I know they're very similar...might be the same board with different ROMs or something. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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History of Computing exam question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Well for one the PDP-6 was a 36 bit machine that predated the PDP10. The PDP-7 was an 18bitter, and unix was devoped on it because they had one and not many other good reasons. Allison -----Original Message----- From: One Without Reason <vance(a)ikickass.org> To: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> Cc: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:31 PM Subject: Re: History of Computing exam question > >I'm curious, Tony? Why the PDP-6 and not the PDP-7? Sure, the PDP-6 was >used in AI development, but UNIX was written on a PDP-7. > >Peace... Sridhar > >On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Tony Duell wrote: > >> Here's my list. It's a bit disorganised, and doubtless some of the >> machines shouldn't really be there, but anyway. I am going to assume that >> this wonderful technology that can grab any machine from the past can >> also recreate a machine from the blueprints, even if it was never >> actually made. That way I can have the first machine on my list : >> <SNIP!> >

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Omninet and Ethernet

by Richard.Sandwell＠roebry.co.uk

I have a 4 workstation generic Apricot network using MS-NET over Omninet.....and I'd like to tie it to my ethernet network. How would you go about this? The physical side - I'm thinking about having an old IBM PS/2 model 50 as a link between the two environments - IIRC there was an MCA omninet card and I'm certain I've got an ethernet card somewhere. What would anyone suggest I do about the software side? MS-Net is netbios - net share \\xxxxx\yyy and so on, and I dimly recall there being an IBM PC Lan program bridge or something, but there my memory fails me..... Ideas? //Rich

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PDP-8 case

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 19, 21:04, ajp166 wrote: > I don't remember that foam as being conductive. Most conductive foams > tend to shred, those bits are not kind to the electronics. Agreed :-) The brown stuff isn't much nicer after 15-30 years. I suspect someone before me had replaced foam that lost its resilience, and thought conductive foam would be better in some way. > From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> > >I've been cleaning up my recently-acquired PDP-8/E, and I've had to remove > >the plastic foam from the inside of the lid, which was fairly horrible. > > I'm not sure what best to replace it with Thanmks to everyone who replied. I'll just use ordinary high-density foam. It's much cheaper than a couple of square feet of good quality conductive foam, which would be a bit thin anyway. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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PDP-8/E questions

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 24, 21:22, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > --- ajp166 <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> wrote: > > From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> > > >What about using white leds? > > >Ben Franchuk. > > > > Why? Back then when the led mod was common red was the only > > available visible color for leds. White leds are a bit blue rich though > > they would work. One point is that there are some 28 or so leds/lamps > > and good ones will not be cheap and cleap ones will not be good. Agreed. The LEDS are water-white plastic, but red-emitting. Each has its leads cut short, about 1/8" from the body, and a small 430R resistor soldered to the cathode and a wire (probably the trimmed-off resistor lead) to the anode. (Is this what some people have described as an "LED module" or is that something more substantial?) They then fit into the bi-pin lamp sockets. The resistors look like modern miniature metal film, but could be 20 years old. Similar red LEDs cost pennies, maybe 10p. 25p - 35p with integral resistor. Bi-pin bulbs of about the right voltage/current/intensity cost a bit more, about 50p each here. I did think about white LEDs, but they cost over ?3 each. As Allison says, I would need 28 (plus a bag of spares if I use lamps) and white LEDs give off a very cold bluish light, quite unlike the slightly yellow lamps. I thought about yellow LEDs, but they're much *too* yellow. Then I thought about pairs of LEDs, but that's just getting too silly. > At about $3/each, yes they are expensive, but only slightly more expensive > than real DEC lamps. Personally, I'd go with either red LEDs or bulbs, > since that's what's appropriate for the period. I think I'll stick with the existing LEDs and maybe "save up my pocket money" to buy 40 or so bulbs (28 plus a dozen spares). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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PDP-8/E questions

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 24, 21:03, ajp166 wrote: > From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> > >The front bezel (frame round the panel) has been repainted white, and > the > >paint has flaked or chipped off in places, to reveal a chipped coat of > >beige paint. I'd like to refinish and respray it. What's the correct > >colour? > > DEC gray #68 A color close to eggshell toward very light gray. Sounds like a very pale grey, not quite white? A lot lighter than the panel on, say, an 11/34, or an 11/03? I'll see what I can find. Thanks! > >I'm toying with the idea of replacing the LEDs with bi-pin bulbs, as the > >panel was originally a bulb panel. The resistors for the warm-up > current > >have been clipped out. What value should they be? > > leave the leds, likely that mod was done very long ago. The lamps > tended to die too often. Yes, I'm sure it was done a long time ago, possibly even when the machine was new. Judging from the date codes on ICs and dates on some boards, it was made in early 1974. > >What's J5 (3-pin Mate-N-Lok) on the PSU for? > > Power controller. Are you thinking of the ones on the back (on the outside)? This one is inside, near the front, and I think Tony's suggestion (for the power fail) is right. > >Lastly (for now :-)), which direction should the fans blow? > Unknown on direction, I think "out". Filter was a layer of foam where > there > was one. I have a an 8f so they are somewhat different but the fans blow > in > across the cards. The PS in the reaw with its own fan. The 8e has the > power supply down the left side(facing the front from front) and thefrom > right > (input) to left (out through the PS). The power supply will tolerate > higher temps > if memory serves than core. Keeping the core cool and at a relatively > constant temp was the key to stable ops. In that case, I exercise my right to change my mind, and I think they probably are the right way round. The air blown out of the PSU isn't very warm, but it will presumably be warmer when I put lots of cards in and give it more of a load. At some point, I would like to try to get the original core working (it wasn't when I got it). Expect more questions, about debugging 8K core stacks, since I don't have a printset! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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HD Controllers - S-100 & Corvus Omninet

by mhstein＠usa.net

At the risk of raising the blood pressure of the purists on this list, I have a controller board out of a Corvus Omninet Drive (marked 8012-10970, 8010-?492-01 REV A. which I scrapped many years ago to use the cabinet and drive to back up my Cromemcos. Sorry to confess, I also pulled a few small parts off the board over the years, however, most of it is still complete and it could either be put back together if one had another one to compare, or perhaps someone could use the major chips on it (WD1010, Corvus 8115-03023 REV B, etc.) Also have a few old AT controllers with WD2010B's on them, not socketed though. Any interest? 2nd question: Does anybody know anything about the HD interface bus Cromemco used with their early IMI drives (7012 - 8" with transparent cover, 5007, 5018 & 5021 5 1/2") and the WDI/WDI-II controllers? I'm just curious if the same interface was used in any other systems (single 34 pin header, 7 units max, differential servo clock supplied by drive, so it doesn't look like SA1000). Interesting aside: when Cromemco finally went the ST506 route with the STDC controller, they made a replacement HD board available to convert the IMI 5 1/2" drives to a standard ST506 interface. Finally, I also have a Corvus S-100 board; looks like it might be a host adapter for a disk drive of some sort. Only markings are Corvus S-100, 8008 REV K, copyright 1980; 11 TTL chips & a 34 pin header. Anybody know what it is and/or want it? m

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History of Computing exam question :

by hansp＠aconit.org

Your are charged with arranging an exhibition to illustrate the history of computing. Due to a sufficiently advanced technology you can recover any historical machine or artifact without cost. List the 20 to 30 systems you would display and briefly explain the reason for choosing each. -- hbp : just for fun ;)

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History of Computing exam question

by cmurillo＠emtelsa.multi.net.co

At 02:07 PM 11/30/01 -0500, you wrote: >> I would add: HP2000 timeshare system..widely used, often provided the >> first exposure to computers that got many of us started in the field. > >I *think* I played my first computer game on the HP2000 >(said game paper tape currently being in Jay West's hands >for his HP2000). >-dq Talk about those times... I remember that the ibm 4381 system that we used at the time received batch jobs >from an apple-II !!!! network! We would write progams using the UCSD pascal editor and then we could submit them for batch processing (including those dreaded OS360 jcl commands, with batch job data indicated by GO SYSIN specs.. argghh). No wonder I fell in love with UX when I first had access to it (ca. 1987). So much simpler and logical... ... but I've grown to respect VMS even if I have lots to learn about it. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

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Ampro Littleboard problems..

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I presume that is a typo and it really is an FD-55B. Is it terminated? > > I wouldn't bet on it. There is an FD-54B. That Sanyo MBC555 MS-DOS > machine has a couple of them in it (or at least mine does). I have no > idea what the difference between the FD-54B and the FD-55B is, though. Have a likely-dead one of those drives laying around, should anyone be interested... -dq

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Need "PC Mouse" driver for PCjr ..

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>The mouse looks to be a slightly >modified version of the "PC Mouse". The neat thing is that it is an >optical mouse. :-) I had an optical mouse way back when with my Mac Plus... I bought it as a replacement for a broken mouse. I think it was made by A+ At the time, I hated it, you needed a special mouse pad for it to work, and it wasn't as accurate as the Mac Plus mouse, which made it even harder to draw. Just one of those things that I found interesting now that optical mice are all the rage. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Sun Optical mouse pad anyone?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 30, Fred deBros wrote: > OK, so there are type 4 (UV plus vis light) and type 5 (UV only) sun > optical mice. You mean IR, not UV... > Type 4 mice require a different optical pad than type 5. > Type 4 mice are tricky because they have to be adjusted to the grid > (parallel vs perpendicular) in order to work correctly. > There is a ps file that prints the type 4 mouse pad grid on paper. > Do I have to laminate that print, or print it on a transparency and glue > that onto an aluminum foil or print it onto a reflective foil? > > Because my printed pad on plain paper don't work with type 4 mice. > > Sniff. I wonder why I find so many optical mice in the garbage here. I've used that ps file with Type 3 mice, and plain paper worked fine. Not sure what's up with the Type 4 mice. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Need "PC Mouse" driver for PCjr ..

by mbbrutman＠magnaspeed.net

I have recently acquired a "PCjr Mouse" by Mouse Systems, and I am looking for a device driver for it. The mouse looks to be a slightly modified version of the "PC Mouse". The neat thing is that it is an optical mouse. :-) The standard MS Mouse driver doesn't find the mouse. The "CuteMouse 1.8" driver hangs the machine up. An old (1992) Mouse Systems driver hangs the machine up too. The Colorpaint cartridge works with the mouse without a driver, so at least I know the mouse works. Do I even need a driver? I imagine older software doesn't need a driver, but newer software would. Then again, on a machine this old I don't think I have much of a problem. I'd like to have a working driver that recognizes the mouse, just in case. Thanks, Mike

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> If you could give a cursory mention (at least to me) about the gist of > the stuff, that would be great. (I don't expect a full mention, but > concepts like "there were some classic Macs there, and some boards for > Apple IIs that look like serial cards"). I saw a pair of 5.25 inch floppy units; the top of either a Mac Classic or an SE (a Classic, I think); the backside of either a IIcx, IIci, or Quadra 700; Extended Keyboard IIs; There was a SuperMac monitor, smaller than the 19inch Radius I've got, but the bug mentioned a "huge" one in back. Since I pulled two //e from outside their firm last week, I'm somewhat loaded-up; I only need to get one working (which may involve nothing at all), and both units had serial boards; one was Apple-orginal, the other 3rd-party. I should mention that I'm heavily laden with Macs, having been the repository of all the ones we used to have here at our firm. Whatcha need? I could spare at least one or more of the following: Quadra 605 (LCII form factor) Quadra 650 Quadra 700 Mac IIci I have Extended Keyboard IIs, and maybe one or two of either the smaller keyboard and/or the split keyboard. Not sure if I have any working mice I can spare... Drive capacties would be from 80MB to 170MB... Regards, -dq

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Looking for CPT 9000 word processor

by vcf＠vintage.org

I am looking for a CPT 9000 word processor, circa 1988. It has a page display and is based on an Intel 80286. I specifically need the monitor and video card, which is a proprietary 16-bit deal, but will take a complete system if need be. Please contact me privately if you've got one to sell or know where one might be. $50 finders fee! Thanks! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Tried Vicom Internet Gateway? I am loyal to Sustainable Softworks because their support is really really good. (although, they no longer really support the 68k version of IPNR, and supposedly the PPC version will fix my problem, but since it is just an issue getting DNS passed thru to Win95, it isn't a big priority for me) >Trade, hopefully; otherwise, I'll try to come up >with a friendly price. Well, what are you looking for? (Other than a TAM like me). I have odds and ends, maybe I have something you want. (I have some Apple II stuff, and lots of Mac stuff, and a bunch of PC stuff that I am aching to get rid of) >Dang, David spoke up first, and I'm not sure how many I have. >I'll inventory everything this weekend... Yeah, I already told him I would kick his ass for it if I had to... of course doing so would mean driving a few hours north to CT, which beh... just isn't worth it (got that dave... I-95 is the only thing keeping me >from getting the keyboard... LOL) >Clarksville, Indiana, the sunnier side of the Louisville KY metro area. Too far to drive (well, not really, since I like road tripping, but my available time, and funds are too in demand right now to be able to kill a weekend heading out that way) >I am passing on a Lisa that's a stone's >throw away, because the guy won't wait two weeks for payment. OTOH, >he did say he might have another one soon... Wha?!? How much? I assume if you need him to wait a week, it will be out of my price range... but it is worth asking. >The eventual goal is to pare down the pile I've got into >no more than one each of whatever I want to keep. But >right now that feels *so* much like work... Yeah, that is my feeling towards my Plus and SE collection... too many to want to keep, but I refuse to throw them out. And until I can go thru and test them all, to make sure I have one good of each, I am afraid to give them away. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>It's time for a group of us to find the Utah landfill >where they dumped the Lisa inventory 15 years ago... > >Since you can find undecayed hotdogs from the 1960s >in a landfill, I'm thinking the Lisas should be well >preserved... I think I read somewhere, that Apple had guards watching the landfill until they were satisfied that all the lisa's had been crushed beyond hope. But who knows, that could just be a story, and they may all be sitting in a pile somewhere waiting to be booted. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Off Topic - stereo to PC question

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Can anybody tell me how to attach my stereo to my PC so that I can transfer > from Cassette to CD-R or hard-drive. A couple of us on the list have Mac's that are setup as "Digital Audio Workstations" that can do this. Basically you need a good soundcard and some good software. Don't mess with the free junk that ships with the Adaptec CD burning software, it's just that, junk! For software I'd start by looking at Arboretum RayGun at http://www.arboretum.com/, they've got a demo you can download. I use a combination of RayGun and Bias Peak on a Echo Products Darla24 soundcard. I've dedicated my old PowerMac 8500/180 to this, though hopefully one of these days I'll be able to move it to a souped up 9500 or 9600. There are simular solutions for Windows based PC's. Zane

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Humm... I have been hunting for a multi ethernet capable 040 for a while > (so the 650 or 700 would work), to replace my IIsi with SCSI ethernet > firewall/router... but I recently ran into a problem with the 68k version > of IPNetRouter, and am thinking of going to a PPC with it. Tried Vicom Internet Gateway? > What are you looking to get for either a 650 or a 700? Trade, hopefully; otherwise, I'll try to come up with a friendly price. > Also, if by the "split keyboard" you mean the short lived ergonomic > keyboard apple offered, that would be cool. I can use it in place of my > current keyboard and see if it helps me any. Dang, David spoke up first, and I'm not sure how many I have. I'll inventory everything this weekend... > Where are you located? (just to get an idea of shipping possibilites... I > can already rule out things like monitors, too hard to safely ship unless > it is one that I just HAVE to have). Clarksville, Indiana, the sunnier side of the Louisville KY metro area. > As far as things I am actively LOOKING for... I want a 660AV, a MacTV, > 20th Anniv Mac, Lisa (obviously), and an Apple TV Tuner card > with remote. TAM is also on my want list; I am passing on a Lisa that's a stone's throw away, because the guy won't wait two weeks for payment. OTOH, he did say he might have another one soon... I have an 840AV, but only one, and I think the motherboard is flaky (Shreve Systems sells 840AV mobos for about $100). > But I will take anything Apple related that people will just give me > (although not everything stays with me, better useable macs get given out > to people that can't afford a computer... for instance, the Classic II I > got from David I am giving to someone for Xmas that has no computer, the > kid can at least use it for writing school papers, checking email, basic > web browsing, and playing some games... it is a step ahead of the > nothingness he can use right now). The eventual goal is to pare down the pile I've got into no more than one each of whatever I want to keep. But right now that feels *so* much like work... -dq

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> ! I saw ... a SuperMac monitor, smaller than the 19inch > ! Radius I've got, but the bug mentioned a "huge" one in back. > > Really? Any idea if they work, and what shipping to CT (06520-9040) might > be? I gotta take an afternoon off to tour the whole facility, maybe next week? (they're closed weekends). > ! I have ... and/or the split keyboard. > > Cool. That is a neat piece of Mac history. How much? Well, Shreve Systems bought a stack of them from me at $35 each... I'm not even positive I kept more than one, but I'll check. -dq

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Off Topic - stereo to PC question

by csmith＠amdocs.com

I suppose you've tried connecting the line out on the stereo to the line in on the peesee? :) That is the normal way ;) Seriously, it's not difficult. The cable should look something like this: -)<signal>......................... |_<ground>--------------------- ... ..|....>--- . |____| -)<signal>..................... | |_<ground>--------------------- Where -) is an RCA plug, the outer shield on the plug is ground, and the pin is signal. >--- is a 1/4 inch headphone style plug. The bottom-most segment is ground, and the top two are signal, I think. Connect each RCA signal wire to its own signal segment on the 1/4" plug, and the grounds to the ground. This is straight from memory, but I think that's the way it works. Sorry I can't tell you which segment to use for left and which for right. You should also be able to buy prefabricated cables at radio shack or somewhere if you like. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ' > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Ehrich [mailto:gehrich@tampabay.rr.com] > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:23 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Off Topic - stereo to PC question > > > Can anybody tell me how to attach my stereo to my PC so that > I can transfer > from Cassette to CD-R or hard-drive. >

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Off Topic - stereo to PC question

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

It all depends on whether or not the soundcard in your PC has a line-input connector. If it only has a mic input, you might get away with connecting to that, but be careful about the levels... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Gene Ehrich [mailto:gehrich@tampabay.rr.com] ! Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:23 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Off Topic - stereo to PC question ! ! ! Can anybody tell me how to attach my stereo to my PC so that ! I can transfer ! from Cassette to CD-R or hard-drive. !

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I should mention that I'm heavily laden with Macs, having >been the repository of all the ones we used to have here >at our firm. Whatcha need? I could spare at least one or >more of the following: > > Quadra 605 (LCII form factor) > Quadra 650 > Quadra 700 > Mac IIci > >I have Extended Keyboard IIs, and maybe one or two of >either the smaller keyboard and/or the split keyboard. Humm... I have been hunting for a multi ethernet capable 040 for a while (so the 650 or 700 would work), to replace my IIsi with SCSI ethernet firewall/router... but I recently ran into a problem with the 68k version of IPNetRouter, and am thinking of going to a PPC with it. What are you looking to get for either a 650 or a 700? Also, if by the "split keyboard" you mean the short lived ergonomic keyboard apple offered, that would be cool. I can use it in place of my current keyboard and see if it helps me any. Where are you located? (just to get an idea of shipping possibilites... I can already rule out things like monitors, too hard to safely ship unless it is one that I just HAVE to have). As far as things I am actively LOOKING for... I want a 660AV, a MacTV, 20th Anniv Mac, Lisa (obviously), and an Apple TV Tuner card with remote. But I will take anything Apple related that people will just give me (although not everything stays with me, better useable macs get given out to people that can't afford a computer... for instance, the Classic II I got from David I am giving to someone for Xmas that has no computer, the kid can at least use it for writing school papers, checking email, basic web browsing, and playing some games... it is a step ahead of the nothingness he can use right now). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! I saw ... a SuperMac monitor, smaller than the 19inch ! Radius I've got, but the bug mentioned a "huge" one in back. Really? Any idea if they work, and what shipping to CT (06520-9040) might be? ! I have ... and/or the split keyboard. Cool. That is a neat piece of Mac history. How much? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Any value to anyone

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>If it is an Intel 301 it is worth saving. It came from Intel at a time they >considered trying to break into the PC market. It is a classic machine in >it's own right. They gave up the PC market right after this, it is a one >and >only. It was also very well made. There is no front label on it, but on the back it has an Intel sticker. The only thing I can find to really ID it is a Product Number (PS302254F4). There are some serial numbers, but nothing else very useful as far as what it is. Maybe based on that prod# it is a "302"? (if there is such a thing). Alas, classic or not, I am not a huge PC collector. I am into Apple stuff, I only really wanted my XT because I had an IBM PC, which is the first "PC" by them, and I had an AT, so the XT just rounded it out... I killed my XT/286, so I lost that already :-( So an "Intel" unit doesn't have any value to me. If however it is a "classic" that might be of interest to others, I might consider shelving it for a future swap meet (if one ever occurs up my direction). But that will all depend on how much shelf space I have to spare. Most likely however, if there are no takers on this list, I will strip it for parts, and pitch the carcass. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Scrap hardware finds

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Hey, I might be interested in the Mac stuff too. Maybe I'll ask Dan Sch.... to hot-rod it for me ;) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Chris [mailto:mythtech@Mac.com] ! Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:02 PM ! To: Classic Computer ! Subject: RE: Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a ! Lisa or Mac XL?!) ! ! ! >I'll not likely ! >mention the plethora of Apple // and Mac stuff, since ! >it's the same stuff I hear about being available everywhere. ! ! If you could give a cursory mention (at least to me) about ! the gist of ! the stuff, that would be great. (I don't expect a full mention, but ! concepts like "there were some classic Macs there, and some ! boards for ! Apple IIs that look like serial cards"). ! ! Just so I have an idea, as it seems, around here, no one has ! old Apple or ! Mac parts (the machines are available out the ass, but the extras are ! slim pickings). ! ! Thanks ! ! -chris ! ! <http://www.mythtech.net> !

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Any value to anyone

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/30/01 10:32:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, mythtech(a)Mac.com writes: > The Intel branded 386 is still up for grabs. It is too far away for me. If it is an Intel 301 it is worth saving. It came from Intel at a time they considered trying to break into the PC market. It is a classic machine in it's own right. They gave up the PC market right after this, it is a one and only. It was also very well made. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I'll not likely >mention the plethora of Apple // and Mac stuff, since >it's the same stuff I hear about being available everywhere. If you could give a cursory mention (at least to me) about the gist of the stuff, that would be great. (I don't expect a full mention, but concepts like "there were some classic Macs there, and some boards for Apple IIs that look like serial cards"). Just so I have an idea, as it seems, around here, no one has old Apple or Mac parts (the machines are available out the ass, but the extras are slim pickings). Thanks -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Antron MST300 (was:RE: Up for Grabs: Intel ICE boxs and pods )

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> If you mean Atron then yes I've heard of them. if fact, I was just > searching for info on them this morning. I have two full length IBM PC > style cards that are both marked "Atron", one plugs into an 8 bit ISA slot > and the other plugs into a 16-bit ISA slot. The cards have a ribbon cable > that connects them together at the top. One is marked "Master Break Trace" > and the other is marked "Slave Break Trace". (looks like they're for an > emulator). Both boards have a large male 3U type connector on the outside. This looks like a later version of the Atron Debugger I used in a Zenith Z-150 (I still have the Zenith). It had its own debugger software, it plugged into an available slot, had a ribbon cable that plugged into the 8088, and a place to put the 8088 you removed >from the CPU board (the 8088 was on a separate CPU board in the Zenith). I'll have to go bug my former employer (15 year ago) and see if he still has it and wants to let go of it, along with perhaps the Zilog REO Development System and the IMSAI 8080 he had...). -dq

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History of Computing exam question

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I would add: HP2000 timeshare system..widely used, often provided the > first exposure to computers that got many of us started in the field. I *think* I played my first computer game on the HP2000 (said game paper tape currently being in Jay West's hands for his HP2000). While I'll likely not ever find one, I'm axious to see a more fully-fleshed-out simulator (unless DIMH will run 2000 Access, in which case, I just need 2000 Access). -dq

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >Should I even bother going back and asking to see the stuff > >in the yard? Or, has this firm agreed not to resell anything > >(I'm kinda assuming that what's true for this guy is industry > >standard). > Well, I went by today to talk to the proprietor... Yes, they will be happy to sell the stuff they've got, if I see anything I want. The big, interesting box I saw from the street appears to be a UniSys terminal concentrator. At least it's full of boards with DB9's on it, so it somewhat reminded me of my Prime terminal concentrator. I did specifically ask about "boxes with switches and lights" and they indicated they had seen such things in the past. They further ventured that "no one is interested in that stuff" so I think I've got a live one, boyr and girls... If anyone's looking for a Unisys terminal concentrator or if you thknk that vox is something you want whatever it is, let me know. I'll be visiting them regularly to see what's new and what I missed on my brief visit. I'll post anything that seems worth posting. I'll not likely mention the plethora of Apple // and Mac stuff, since it's the same stuff I hear about being available everywhere. Regards, -dq

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the book

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/30/01 6:20:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: > must have cost them 50 times that to ship them back from Germany The BIIN computers we scrapped were originally air freighted from Germany. We opend the crates and took them apart. They were brand new, but Intel and Siemens didn't want them out there. This was a certified destruction contract otherwise I would have kept one. I already had all the SW. I bet the cost to scrap ratio was more like 5000 to 1. Siemens lost a bunch of money on that project. (Intel owned 5% and Siemens 95%.) Paxton Astoria, OR

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Antron MST300 (was:RE: Up for Grabs: Intel ICE boxs and pods)

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

If you mean Atron then yes I've heard of them. if fact, I was just searching for info on them this morning. I have two full length IBM PC style cards that are both marked "Atron", one plugs into an 8 bit ISA slot and the other plugs into a 16-bit ISA slot. The cards have a ribbon cable that connects them together at the top. One is marked "Master Break Trace" and the other is marked "Slave Break Trace". (looks like they're for an emulator). Both boards have a large male 3U type connector on the outside. I've posted a picture at <http://www.intellistar.net/~rigdonj/ebay/boards.jpg>. FWIW I pulled these out of an old 286 Compaq Deskpro. I wanted to get the drive but it was already gone :-( Joe At 05:13 PM 11/30/01 -0000, you wrote: >Speaking of chip testers has anyone come across the Antron company and their >testing equipment? Antron are still going and still selling test kit to the >likes of Compaq, but since they didn't reply to my email I'm assuming they >had no old documentation. > >Basically the MST300 is a 386 based PC with 2 extra ISA cards that interface >with the testing 'pods'. I've got pods for the 8086, 80286, 80386SX and DX, >Moto 68K and I'm still not sure what they were supposed to be testing! > >I'll post pix on Binary Dinosaurs when I get 'em taken :) > >-- >Adrian Graham, Corporate Microsystems Ltd >e: adrian.graham(a)corporatemicrosystems.com >w: www.corporatemicrosystems.com >w2: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Online Computer Museum) >

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Wireless World Digital Computer - 1967

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Hans Thanks for the WW reference. I must admit I had got the PE Digical calculator confused with another WW article also by B.Crank. Can't remember the title but it was a very simple logic analyzer using a scope as a hex display. I remember it used Ferranti DTL chips. Also remember reading the PE Digical calculator articles - I can still picture the calculator - a four function desk top machine full of TTL ! Chris Leyson

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Any value to anyone

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Ok, I think it's my turn to ask the obligatory > > "Where?" New Jersey... but I am retracting my offer on the 5160... I thought I already had an XT, but it turns out I have PCs and ATs, but no XTs, so after a brief scare when someone said they wanted it last night (turns out they really want an AT, so I am trying to arrange to give them one of mine), I am officially retracting the offer of the 5160 so I can round out my collection. The Intel branded 386 is still up for grabs. Along with the IBM ProPrinter and the Epson cut sheet printer thingy... and some 5.25 HD and DD drives. (Drives are known good, but I still haven't tested the printers yet) Sorry :( -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Antron MST300 (was:RE: Up for Grabs: Intel ICE boxs and pods)

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

Speaking of chip testers has anyone come across the Antron company and their testing equipment? Antron are still going and still selling test kit to the likes of Compaq, but since they didn't reply to my email I'm assuming they had no old documentation. Basically the MST300 is a 386 based PC with 2 extra ISA cards that interface with the testing 'pods'. I've got pods for the 8086, 80286, 80386SX and DX, Moto 68K and I'm still not sure what they were supposed to be testing! I'll post pix on Binary Dinosaurs when I get 'em taken :) -- Adrian Graham, Corporate Microsystems Ltd e: adrian.graham(a)corporatemicrosystems.com w: www.corporatemicrosystems.com w2: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Online Computer Museum)

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Up for Grabs: Intel ICE boxs and pods

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I found two large white Intel boxs yesterday. They're not labeled but I > think they're the old Intel ICE boxs. There's also two pods with them, one > is for a iAPX 186 an the other is for an iAPX 286 (80186 CPU and 80286 CPU > for the ones of you that don't speak Intel). This brings up an interesting piece of trivia... Has anyone ever seen one of the prototype iAPX386 chips? The iAPX386 was what would have been sold as the 80386, but the prelim documents I've got don't describe the virtual 8086 mode that was present in the shipped 80386 chips. The name change happened during the lawsuit with AMD. Under a technology swap agreement, Intel should have forwarded the info on the 386 to AMD. But ultimately, AMD had to clean-room engineer their 386 clone chip. I always thought that Intel changed the name from the iAPX line to what was actually the part number (i.e. the iAPX286 had the part number 80286), and also made slight changes to the feature set, just for the purpose of being able to say to AMD "well, we would give you the iAPX386, but we decided not to produce it." -dq

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Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!

by MTPro＠aol.com

I've been following all of the great Lisa discussion. People get very messed up with the "what's a Lisa 2 and what's a Mac XL" criteria. If the machine in question has not been adulterated with a ROM upgrade or screen modification, etc., it can run the Lisa OS - any Lisa 2 or Mac XL. All Mac XLs are Lisa 2s, Apple merely renamed them in 1985. The "plain" Lisa 2 is the same as the Lisa 2/5, just with no external 5 mb Profile hard drive. It was generally not sold without a hard drive, as it was basically useless without one. Here's the breakdown on differences per the Lisa/Macintosh XL Do-it-yourself Guide - Lisa 2: The Lisa 2 has one 3.5-inch 400K disk drive, different disk drive controller circuitry, and a redesigned front panel to accommodate the single 3.5-inch drive opening. A 400K floppy controller, labeled the "Lisa Lite Adapter," is mounted inside the disk drive cage. The System I/0 board is socketed for an AMD 9512 arithmetic processor. It has nickel-cadmium battery backup for the real time clock. One 512K memory board is standard. The mother board has a mouse connector, two serial connectors, and an external parallel connector. The power supply is rated 1.2 A. Lisa 2/10: The Lisa 2/10 has a completely different motherboard. The mouse connector is different. There's no external parallel connector on the back of the computer. Instead, there's an internal parallel connector and a 10MB internal I hard drive. An interrupt switch has been added. The system I/0 board is also different. There's no socket for the AMD 9512 coprocessor. There's no nickel-cadmium battery backup for the real time clock. The disk drive controller is different. An extra chip on the 1/0 board replaces the Lisa Lite Adapter which was formerly located in the drive cage. The disk drive cabling is different. The wiring harness is different. The power supply is different. One megabyte of RAM is standard. If you have Lisa OS disks, a 10MB internal hard drive, no Lisa Lite card, no external parallel connector, and a 1.8-A 110/220V power supply, yours is at least a Lisa 2/10. Macintosh XL: The Macintosh XL is exactly the same as a Lisa 2/10. Only the sticker on the box, the operating system, and the instruction manuals are different. Instead of Lisa OS, the bundled OS is Macintosh System software and MacWorks XL, a Lisa program which allows 64K Macintosh ROM emulation. If you have MacWorks XL instead of Lisa OS disks, a 10MB internal hard drive, no Lisa Lite card, and a 1.8-A power supply, yours is probably a MacintoshXL. A lot of people confuse the hardware differences as coming about due to the renaming, but this was not the case. When Sun Remarketing in Logan, Utah bought up the bulk of remaining "Mac XLs" from Apple they slowly began tweaking them to make them more Mac-like. My first Lisa which I bought from them in December 1989 for $1095 had started life as a Lisa 2/5. Sun Remarketing had installed the screen modification kit (giving it square pixels like a Mac instead of it's native rectangular ones), Mac Plus 128k ROMs to support the installed 800k drive and a Sun Remarketing installed internal 20 mb hard drive. The hard drive was interesting because it was installed internally, yet it's cable extended under the rear cage cover to attach to the external parallel port. Ok, ok, I go on and on. Interesting stuff eh? Best, David Greelish Publisher Classic Computing Press www.classiccomputing.com

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History of Computing exam question

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Tony Duell wrote: > [1] The PE Digical may be one of the first hobbyist calculators > (published 1972, all built from TTL chips), but it wasn't programmable. > Stick it on the list if you like. Sorry no details, but there was a similar design in Wireless World, circa 1968/9 - built from DTL I think. Chris Leyson

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History of Computing exam question

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > Here's my list. It's a bit disorganised, and doubtless some of the > machines shouldn't really be there, but anyway. I am going to [snip] Ok, one more for me: Symbolics lisp machine (whatever model...) Incredibly advanced for the time... maybe even for today. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Up for Grabs: Intel ICE boxs and pods

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I found two large white Intel boxs yesterday. They're not labeled but I think they're the old Intel ICE boxs. There's also two pods with them, one is for a iAPX 186 an the other is for an iAPX 286 (80186 CPU and 80286 CPU for the ones of you that don't speak Intel). The boxs are about 18" wide x 24" deep x 12" high. They look complete and intact. I'm sure the owner has no idea what they are and would sell them cheap ($20?-$40?). They're located on the east side of Orlando. If anyone wants them contqct me and I'll point you to them. But I DO NOT have the room to store them or the time to ship them. I've been giving and throwing away my own stuff due to lack of room so don't ask me to yours. If you want them you'll have to come get them or make arrnagements for someone else to store/ship them to you. Joe

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/29/01 2:39:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com writes: > My only concern is that I might get asked "are you the guy in > the red Audi who was diggint through my stuff?" > I don't think you have to worry about a few Apples. They are more plastic than scrap. Apple II breakage is worth about 6 cents per pound In one warehouse we rented in NW Portland over a decade ago we used to roll out pallets of valueless stuff (filmstrip projectors, school electronics, old terminals not worth taking apart) and leave it on the sidewalk overnight. We would then go up several floors and watch people go by, screech to a halt and fill their cars with as much as they could cram in. We had a great time watching and it cut our garbage bill in half. Valuable stuff doesn't get left outside. Go ask. You will be rewarded with surprises. Let us know what you find. If you are interested in purchasing some of his scrap, offer him twice the scrap value. If you or anyone on the list needs help establishing scrap values please contact me offline. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Littleboard Lives!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

I have them, I need to dig and transfer to PC though. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle <geneb(a)deltasoft.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:58 PM Subject: Littleboard Lives! >It's kind of odd hearing a 5.25 disk being formatted after all these >years. :) > >Of the disks I have with the system, I seem to be missing the tools to >format a hard drive for the machine. >They're "H" tools - HINIT, HFORMAT, etc. If anyone here has them, I'd >really appriciate getting copies! FYI, my BIOS revision is 3.8 - 3.0 is >the min rev listed in the manual. > >Thanks! > >G. >

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > My only concern is that I might get asked "are you the guy in > > the red Audi who was diggint through my stuff?" > > > > ;) > > > > -dq > > paint the car! > :) Good suggestion... I never wanted to own a red car, red paint adds 20mph to the apparant land speed... -dq

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > Unless he chases you away with a shotgun loaded with rock salt. That > > > would hurt. > > > > My only concern is that I might get asked "are you the guy in > > the red Audi who was diggint through my stuff?" > > Take the bus. HAHAHHAHAHA! Louisville has the Transit Authority of River City (TARC), and a few busses and shuttles come over across the Ohio to Indiana, but no way is it anything like you can stand on a corner, go somewhere in Indiana, get off, do something, etc. There isn't even a bus route I can take home from work (though there is one I can take *to* work)... -dq

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Macintosh

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Douglas Quebbeman skrev: > > >> Could someone tell me what the last version of Macintosh System to run on > >> 68K machines was? Where can I get a copy? > > >That would be System 6.0.8 > > Such utter rubbish. Version 8 was the last major release for 68k machines, > though it usually would only install on '040 machines. The latency to Holland is even worse than thw camel-train... -dq

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List Really Does Look Like It's Been Breached

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Ok, I got plain-old SPAM (well, it was HTML, but seemingly free of virii) this morning with these headers: ============================================================ Received: from opal.tseinc.com ([209.83.143.19]) by jeffserver.tegjeff.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id X671RYZ5; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 02:08:49 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by opal.tseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05267 for classiccmp-classiccmp-org-outgoing; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:46:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org) X-Authentication-Warning: opal.tseinc.com: majordom set sender to owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org using -f Received: from 3w-smtp-ad.korea.com ([211.109.1.114]) by opal.tseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05262 for <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:46:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from fortune(a)12ji.com) Received: from 3w-pop3-ai.korea.com ([172.31.1.12]) by 3w-smtp-ad.korea.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3651); Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:45:17 +0900 Received: from 3w-pop3-ai.korea.com ([127.0.0.1]) by 3w-pop3-ai.korea.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3651); Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:45:12 +0900 Received: from 211.109.1.13 by 3w-pop3-ai.korea.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:44:54 +0900 Received: from 12ji.com ([211.186.123.108]) by 3w-pop3-ac.korea.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3651); Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:44:03 +0900 Message-ID: <3222855-220011153063355370(a)12ji.com> X-EM-Version: 6, 0, 1, 0 X-EM-Registration: #00F06206106618006920 X-Priority: 3 To: "12ji" <fortune(a)12ji.com> From: "Anne Collins" <fortune(a)12ji.com> Subject: Your fortune of the week Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:33:55 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2001 06:44:03.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[666A47A0:01C1796A] Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- ============================================================ We need a moderation mechanism of some kind. The newsgroup alt.sysadmin.recovery requires the presence of a special header in order for the post to appear. Can we do that for the list, or will the SPAMbots just walk around that Maginot line? -dq

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Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I understand discontinuing a product but could never quite figure out why >you would actually destroy equipment. I mean what is the point? I suppose this was apple logic, they wanted you to buy something OTHER than the lisa, so they had the choice of sell off/give away all the discontinued lisa's (they didn't want them being used, so that was out of the question)... or junk them. If you just normal junk them (haul them to the scrap yard and dump them in a pile), you risk the very real possibility that the scrapper will salvage them and sell them off (makes sense, they ARE in the buying and selling scrap business)... which again, means they would be in the market, something apple didn't want... only NOW they would be in the market and apple didn't get a buck. So by destroying them beyond hope... they remove them from the market 100%. I personally think this is stupid, but hey, I don't run apple, and they seem to have their own form of logic. And then there is always the chance it was just a Jobs thing. IIRC, he was more or less in charge when this was done, and he worked more on the mac then the lisa (even though, I think the original lisa specs were his idea)... so to Jobs and the ever expanding ego, he wanted to rub salt in the wounds of the Lisa team, by not only showing that the lisa didn't sell as well... but that thousands of unsold ones were turned into dust at apple's expense. I that logic is why it might be a while before Apple comes out with anything that might resemble a Newton (since the Newton was Scully's baby, and Scully was in charge when Jobs was outsted). I don't think it was a co-incidence that the first thing Jobs did on his return was violently kill off the newton... and I think it will be a while before his ego will allow a return of a similar product... the iPod is probably paving the way to erase the Newton memory, so when one DOES come out, it will be seen as an advanced iPod, not as a Newton II. Just my 2 cents -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Concise list of different Mac models

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Jeff Hellige wrote: > > > Oooops...I know, I shouldn't reply to myself but the above link > > should be: > > > > http://www.applespec.com/ > > > > The downloadable versions, plus mirrors, are located there. > > > Thnaks that's what I needed. I did not realize that the data-base was > downloadable. Nice setup. Anyways, I exported as csv and used excel to > make up an 8 page list. Still bigger that I want but I can work on that I didn't realize it was online! The only version I've seen was distributed on MacAddict disks in the last few years; ISTR it's a FileMaker application... which means it's probably a Fourth Dimension app.. -dq

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CompatiCard I manual

by donm＠cts.com

Can anyone point me at a scan of the manual for the Compaticard I (or even II). I thought that I was smart enough to make a Xerox copy when I had one, but if so I am not smart enough to find it :( Thanks. - don

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Any value to anyone

by mythtech＠Mac.com

Are these of any value to anyone (ie: does anyone want these, sale/trade/pickup whatever): Intel branded 386 (looks like an AT clone like case). 8mb RAM, 40m IDE HD, 5.25 HD FDD, 3.5 HD FDD, VGA, 1 Parallel, 2 Serial, AT Keyboard, ISA slots. IBM 5160, 5.25 FDD, 3.5 FDD (both DD?), 20mb XT Hard Drive, CGA, 1 parallel, 1 serial. Neither are tested yet, I picked them up out of the garbage last night. I scored about a dozen machines in various condition. These are the only two of interest so far. (Others have been partially canabalized generic 286's, 386's and 486's... now they are totally canabalized, and the carcases have been dumpstered). If someone has some interest, I would be willing to test these machines, otherwise they too will be stripped untested and unneeded/wanted parts will be dumped. Also, I have an IBM ProPrinter, and some Epson cut sheet dot matrix printer thing, both also untested if anyone has an interest (at least these will eventually be tested and either shelved/traded/given away if working, or pitched if dead) I'll hold them until tomorrow (friday), but then they get stripped. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Your fortune of the week

by fortune＠12ji.com

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I doubt it. There may be very few contracts that require this sort of > thing, but honestly, if the company scrapping the equipment was that worried > about it, they'd scrap it themselves. I have heard that NSA does this, and > that further they (to paraphrase) "slag their disks and post armed guards > around the slag." it's true; a friend has a CDC 1700, formerly NSA property... and nothing that could hold software was part of the deal (although I think he got to keep the core). -dq

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Slowdown util for 486/586 systems to emulate XT/AT systems

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Thanks spike - I already have a slowdown util - Windoze :-) Just won myself an HP85A on ebay - happy again. Chris

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Lexmark serial to parallel converter

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

I recently picked up a Lexmark serial to parallel converter p/n 1363110 and was wondering if anyone on the list might have a setup doc on it? It has 12 dip switches and NO markings. I called Lexmark customer Service, and discovered that it is an oxymoron . . . . Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO

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OT: Compaq Presario 1200 Restore CDs

by classiccmp＠knm.yi.org

Hi, I know this is completely off topic for the list, but I'm in a bit of a jam. My girlfriend owns a compaq presario 1200 laptop, and the windows install is b0rked (surprise surprise). The company she bought it from refuse to supply her with the CDs and manuals that came with it originally (it was supplied as ex.demo as a replacement for a broken model they couldn't replace exactly). Anyway, the result of this is I'm looking for someone who has said CDs and wouldn't mind copying them, or even making isos for me, so I can get her laptop up and running again. Thanks a lot guys - I'll try not to be off topic in future :&) -- Matt --- Web Page: http://knm.yi.org/ http://pkl.net/~matt/ PGP Key fingerprint = 00BF 19FE D5F5 8EAD 2FD5 D102 260E 8BA7 EEE4 8D7F PGP Key http://knm.yi.org/matt-pgp.html

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OT: Compaq Presario 1200 Restore CDs

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 29, 20:22, Matt London wrote: > Hi, > I know this is completely off topic for the list, but I'm in a bit of a > jam. My girlfriend owns a compaq presario 1200 laptop, and the windows > install is b0rked (surprise surprise). The company she bought it from > refuse to supply her with the CDs and manuals that came with it originally > (it was supplied as ex.demo as a replacement for a broken model they > couldn't replace exactly). > > Anyway, the result of this is I'm looking for someone who has said CDs > and wouldn't mind copying them, or even making isos for me, so I can get > her laptop up and running again. You may not need them. You can probably just do a standard Windows install, and add any special drivers you need. You can download most things from Compaq's website, look at http://www.compaq.com/athome/support/ If my (limited) experience of Compaqs is anything to go by, you're probably better off with a standard install anyway, all the special CDs seem to do is make backups of certain things and possibly configure the BIOS. You used to be able to get all the setup disks from Compaq's website, though I haven't looked at it for a while. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Martha Stewart

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 29, 13:47, Neil Cherry wrote: > Actually I'd like to find a nice way to hid various components so that > they don't show up at first glance. Of course this is related to my HA > background (hobby of course) and the fact that if I had a PDP 8 it > would look a little out of place in my living room (I've got the > garage and a computer for my 'stuff'). If you find a way, let me know. When I had fixed my PDP-8 and was running the inchworm program, Liz came to look and said something like "that'll be nice for Christmas, with those lights." So of course I suggested I move it into the lounge, but she didn't seem to think that would be good for my health :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Dataproducts printer inteface

by steve＠airborn.com.au

Does anyone have details on the signals used in the (old) Dataproducts printer inteface? Basically I know it uses differential signals - otherwise similar to centronics - but I would like details. I have the Pinout: http://www.hardwarebook.net/connector/parallel/dataproductsdsub50.html I would like a description of "Demand" signal and the polarity of "Strobe" and "OnLine" I would like to know the levels (I presume TTL) If anyone can help me out, perhaps I can respond in kind by giving them the final result - a circuit for a Centronics-->Dataproducts interface. steve(a)airborn.com.au

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History of Computing exam question

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Tapley [mailto:mtapley@swri.edu] > Hans asked: > >List the 20 to 30 systems you would display and briefly explain the > >reason for choosing each. > Fun question. Don't have time to really organize, but here's > parts of my list: [snip] A few good ones you didn't mention: Starbridge sytems HAL A new production system that's completely FPGA based, and sports some pretty impressive performance numbers. Strictly speaking off-topic since it's a new machine... SGI Iris 2000 Likely the first serious (depending on your definition of the word) graphical workstation Amiga (any) Aside from being the epitome of desktop computing, it's the only system I know that's survived <how many?> buy-outs Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Ebay: Tandy portable computer printer cable

by rhblakeman＠kih.net

I just posted a Tandy 25-1409 cable on ebay that I though smeone here might be interested in. Look up item 1304091652 to see it. The package states that it's for "most portable computers" and has a centronics 36 on one side, IDS 26 female on the other.

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Adobe Loss in California District Court, Good News for ClassicCmp rs

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

I'm not sure how many of you have seen this yet, but Adobe has lost a suit regarding the transferrability of software licenses. The court has rules that even if the wording of a license specifically prohibits the resale of the software by the original buyer to a new owner, the original owner is within their rights in doing so. Of course, without a doubt, Adobe will likely appeal this at least as far as the California Supreme Court. We can only hope they'll lose there as well. Should this ultimately hold true, much old classic software for our classic computers will be available >from old licensees who no longer need the licenses. Some license holders may still not feel comfortable with this, fearing some potential liability. But it still sounds good for us collectors. For those of you who own firms who license software to clients, I hope you can look beyond the tiny loss of revenue this might possibily represent. -dq

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Macintosh

by mythtech＠Mac.com

> I think the lag originates with me. For some reason, if I >use the server at work to send out STMP mail as originating with my >Earthlink account chances are most of the messages will be detained >somewhere along the way, whether just a few minutes or at times it's >been over a day. The actual hold appears to be done on the >listserver end though as the mail seems to exit our server normally. Interesting... I assumed it was due to the list server machine being used during the day for other tasks (or something else in the chain). Daytimes (normal business hours), seems to have about an hour lag between posting, and recieving (making a simply Q&A session take upwards of two hours to complete). But at night, I notice the lag is much lower (sometimes only a few minutes). Just my unscientific, "feel" for it (can't say I have ever timed it or looked at time stamps on the emails) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > Should I even bother going back and asking to see the stuff in the > > yard? Or, has this firm agreed not to resell anything (I'm kinda > > assuming that what's true for this guy is industry standard). > > It never hurts to ask, right? > > Unless he chases you away with a shotgun loaded with rock salt. That > would hurt. My only concern is that I might get asked "are you the guy in the red Audi who was diggint through my stuff?" ;) -dq

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Adobe Loss in California District Court, Good News for Classi cCmp rs

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > I'm not sure how many of you have seen this yet, but Adobe has lost a > > suit regarding the transferrability of software licenses. The court > > has rules that even if the wording of a license specifically prohibits > > the resale of the software by the original buyer to a new owner, the > > original owner is within their rights in doing so. > > > > Of course, without a doubt, Adobe will likely appeal this at least as > > far as the California Supreme Court. We can only hope they'll lose > > there as well. > > We can only hope that common sense will continue to prevail. We can only hope! -dq

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Compaq Presario 1200 Restore CDs

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Matt London [mailto:classiccmp@knm.yi.org] > jam. My girlfriend owns a compaq presario 1200 laptop, and the windows > install is b0rked (surprise surprise). The company she bought it from > refuse to supply her with the CDs and manuals that came with > it originally > (it was supplied as ex.demo as a replacement for a broken model they > couldn't replace exactly). I don't suppose you've suggested netbsd to her? ;) I suppose I'm lucky that mine hates windows _almost_ as much as I. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>> Is there some law against selling the stuff in working condition? >Contract Law. While most surplus sales are outright sales many are contract >sales which may have restrictive clauses. How willing the scrapper is to >violate contract law, a civil matter, varies widely. Ok, so then there is no direct law that says items sold as scrap have to remain scrap. So if a company sells 1000 working computers as scrap, and doesn't specify that they have to be destroyed (although I am sure they would specify that), then the scrapper is under no obligation to trash them, and can sell them as working systems. That is kind of what I thought the deal would be (and should be). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Fw: Control Data Cyber 960 rescue interest?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > http://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/cyber960.jpg > > That's a photo of a 180, which he also has (or was it a 170?) and is > working on getting running. The console in the photo I posted was for the > 960, which you can't see in the background. My understanding was that 180 was the series designation, 960 was the model designation. In the 170 series they went about as far as 170/855 before they essentially dropped the series designation. -dq

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Macintosh

by cmurillo＠emtelsa.multi.net.co

At 03:31 PM 11/29/01 -0000, you wrote: >> Could someone tell me what the last version of Macintosh >> System to run on >> 68K machines was? Where can I get a copy? > >According to LowEndMac it's either 7.6.1 or 8.1 depending on the machine.... > >-- >Adrian Graham, Corporate Microsystems Ltd 8.1 is right, but you need a 68040. carlos. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

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Macintosh

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > Could someone tell me what the last version of Macintosh System to run on > >> 68K machines was? Where can I get a copy? > > > >That would be System 6.0.8, and you should be abe to > >download it from Apple's FTP site. Try navigating > >through the stuff at http://mirror.apple.com/. > > Actually, up to System 7.5.5 easily runs on 68k Mac's such as > Quadra 605's (which use a 68040). I believe System 8.1 will also run > on some 68k Mac's though 8.5 requires a PPC. For a minimalist > machine, System 7.1 certainly runs well. A camel train has less latency than this list! -dq

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Ampro Littleboard problems..

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Depending on the Eprom installed a prompt is not always to be expected. Mine has 3.mumble and does not prompt. However it does boot most anything bootable it can find including SCSI hard disk. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:13 AM Subject: Re: Ampro Littleboard problems.. >Though there are many "Little Board" products from Ampro, the ones I have, which >are the originals from back in '83 or so, will produce a prompt if you (1) have >no floppy attached, or (2) don't have a diskette in it. If it's not producing >that prompt, I'd say you need to look elsewhere than the floppy drive. > >Aside from single-sided drives, I've never encountered a 48TPI drive that this >machine wouldn't boot once it's jumpered for DS0. > >Nevertheless, if it's not producing the prompt, something's seriously wrong. >There aren't many parts that could be broken, but perhaps you should look into >which one it might be. My experience has been that if it doesn't produce that >prompt, it won't boot under any circumstances. > >Dick > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb(a)deltasoft.com> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 8:58 AM >Subject: Re: Ampro Littleboard problems.. > > >> > On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Gene Buckle wrote: >> > >> > > I've got a Littleboard I'm tring to bring up. When I feed it a disk, >> > > and power it up, it will select the drive, spin it and shut down after >> > > about 3 to 5 seconds. I never hear a head step. Nothing shows up on the >> > > serial port (port a, 9600). The drive I'm using is a Teac FD-54B-02-U >> > > and the two jumpers are set to DS0 and IU. >> > >> > I presume that is a typo and it really is an FD-55B. Is it terminated? >> > I assume a straight cable since it is selected. The FD-55s that I use >> > are jumpered DS0 (for straight cable), HS, IU, and SM on the two main >> > jumper headers. PM is also jumpered on its own header. >> > >> >> Don, the number on the back of the drive really is FD-54B. As far as >> termination, I don't know. There is no place for what I would call a >> "traditional" floppy termination pack. There is a SIP resistor soldered >> into the board right ahead of the data connector. I don't have the drive >> in front of me now, but I don't recall seeing "SM" as being a jumper >> position. I do recall the "HS" labelling however. >> >> I don't recall anything marked "PM" at all. >> >> Thanks! >> >> g. >> >> >> >

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PDP-8/E PowerSupply Part 2

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Interesting, I've got the lamps (I'd been hoping for LEDs), but I didn't connect the wires for testing. Looks like the next step when I get home will be to figure out which wire plugs into which connector on the front panel. Unfortunatly the person that took the system apart and shipped it didn't make notes. OTOH, he did a magnificent job of packing and the system came with full doc's. Zane > > If memeory serves that depended on the lamps to load the PS > down to rated voltages. If you have leds the load willbe lighter and since > they have current limiting resistors the small extra votage is not an issue. > > Allison > -----Original Message----- > From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Date: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:57 PM > Subject: PDP-8/E PowerSupply Part 2 > > > >OK, I got brave and flipped the switch and started testing voltages with > >everything disconnected. > > > >I've got a H724 PS and everything looks good except the +8Vdc line which is > >for powering the light bulbs on the front panel, and the 14Vac. The +8Vdc > >should be between 6-10Vdc according to Volume 1 of the maintenance manual, > >and it's currently at 11.14Vdc. The 14Vac looks like it might be even more > >messed up, as I'm getting 8.95Vac on one line and 19.26Vac on the other, > >but it doesn't look to be used. > > > >Now for everything except the +8Vdc and 14Vac everything looks to be > >adjustable. So, is there anything I can tweak on this, or should I just > >not worry about it? I really don't want to be blowing lightbulbs if I can > >help it. > > > > Zane > >-- > >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > >| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > >| | Classic Computer Collector | > >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > >| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > >| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | > >| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | > > >

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Chris [mailto:mythtech@Mac.com] > I don't know the laws, but why shouldn't a scapper be allowed > to sell the > stuff in working condition? They are in the scrap business, > and I would > think once it is theirs, they should be allowed to sell it > however they > want (pulverize and sell as land fill, or repair and sell as working). > Is there some law against selling the stuff in working condition? I doubt it. There may be very few contracts that require this sort of thing, but honestly, if the company scrapping the equipment was that worried about it, they'd scrap it themselves. I have heard that NSA does this, and that further they (to paraphrase) "slag their disks and post armed guards around the slag." Most companies likely just throw the stuff out and don't care what happens to it afterwards. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> When supposedly scrapped S/Ns began appearing on the used market, > as I was told, DEC learned of the scheme, and, without telling the > bidding scrappers, installed a chipper to convert the material > to pieces no larger than about 5cm on a side, steel racks included. > I heard the next scrapper was most surprised when he big on a load of > scrap that really was a load of scrap. This brings me to a question that's probably been discussed here; I just recently found the local computer recycling firm. I was luck enought to pull two late-model Apple //e's from a cardboard box sitting in front of the business during the Thanksgiving holiday. Also two Apple 5.25 inch flopppies, a 130MB Seagate IDE drive, a 550MB (?) Seagate IDE drive, and a rather nice late-model compact IBM keyboard (has Windows key). But the firm had some interesting stuff in the fenced-in yard. Should I even bother going back and asking to see the stuff in the yard? Or, has this firm agreed not to resell anything (I'm kinda assuming that what's true for this guy is industry standard). -dq

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] > But the firm had some interesting stuff in the fenced-in yard. > Should I even bother going back and asking to see the stuff > in the yard? Or, has this firm agreed not to resell anything > (I'm kinda assuming that what's true for this guy is industry > standard). By all means, go back and see what they say. Generally I've found that hardware is fair game to repair (if needed) and re-sell. Most won't touch the software because of legal problems, but some are more zealous about removing it than others. (some also leave it to the people throwing the stuff away to remove software, which often isn't done) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >Should I even bother going back and asking to see the stuff > >in the yard? Or, has this firm agreed not to resell anything > >(I'm kinda assuming that what's true for this guy is industry > >standard). > > I don't know the laws, but why shouldn't a scapper be allowed to sell the > stuff in working condition? They are in the scrap business, and I would > think once it is theirs, they should be allowed to sell it however they > want (pulverize and sell as land fill, or repair and sell as working). > > Is there some law against selling the stuff in working condition? If they purchase it from the original owners with the understanding that the stuff will be destroyed instead of resold, it would be a breach of (probably verbal) contract. -dq

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by CLeyson＠aol.com

> Should I even bother going back and asking to see the stuff > in the yard? Or, has this firm agreed not to resell anything > (I'm kinda assuming that what's true for this guy is industry > standard). It's worth asking. I recently bought a scrapped Takeda Riken audio spectrum analyzer from my employers. It's been gathering dust for the last 5 to 6 years. They were glad to rid of it and I have a broken toy with a 16-bit bit-slice processor. Chris

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/29/01 12:23:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, mythtech(a)Mac.com writes: > Is there some law against selling the stuff in working condition? > > Contract Law. While most surplus sales are outright sales many are contract sales which may have restrictive clauses. How willing the scrapper is to violate contract law, a civil matter, varies widely. Certified destruction is a contract where destruction is usually certified by an outside auditor. A good scrapper holds to his contracts in order to get repeat business and maintain his reputation as reliable. There are many shady and fly by night people in the scrap business. There are many good and reliable people too. Paxton Astoria, OR Pa

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S. Ring has badtrans virus

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Just found kernel32.exe and kdll.dll and zapped them. Thanks Lawrence. I made the mistake of opening the infected attachment. Sunday 25th. Spent hours looking for inetd.exe, kern32.exe and hksdll.dll (Badtrans.a) According to McAffe:- "This mass mailing worm attempts to send itself using Microsoft Outlook by replying to unread and read email messages. It also mails itself to email addresses found within files that exist on your system. It drops a keylogging trojan (detected as PWS-Hooker with the 4173 DATs, or greater) into the SYSTEM directory as KDLL.DLL. This trojan logs keystrokes for the purpose of stealing personal information (such as credit card and bank account numbers and passwords). This information is later emailed to the virus author(s)." I never could get Outlook to install - how do I know what my POP3 address is !! Thankyou Microsoft. Chris

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PDP-8/E PowerSupply Part 2

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

If memeory serves that depended on the lamps to load the PS down to rated voltages. If you have leds the load willbe lighter and since they have current limiting resistors the small extra votage is not an issue. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: PDP-8/E PowerSupply Part 2 >OK, I got brave and flipped the switch and started testing voltages with >everything disconnected. > >I've got a H724 PS and everything looks good except the +8Vdc line which is >for powering the light bulbs on the front panel, and the 14Vac. The +8Vdc >should be between 6-10Vdc according to Volume 1 of the maintenance manual, >and it's currently at 11.14Vdc. The 14Vac looks like it might be even more >messed up, as I'm getting 8.95Vac on one line and 19.26Vac on the other, >but it doesn't look to be used. > >Now for everything except the +8Vdc and 14Vac everything looks to be >adjustable. So, is there anything I can tweak on this, or should I just >not worry about it? I really don't want to be blowing lightbulbs if I can >help it. > > Zane >-- >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | >| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | >| | Classic Computer Collector | >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ >| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | >| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | >

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Spam from _sring@uslink.net?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Bill Dawson <whdawson(a)mlynk.com> >I'm using Outlook 2000 with the latest Microslop patches/security updates >and the latest version of ZoneAlarm, 2.6.357, so I avoided infection. I avoid it by running NT4/sp4 with IE4.02, an older version. Then I disable activex, comx and VBS.scripting as those things are needed by virii to propagate. The end result was that virus at home did little more than generate an unknown image type, afterwhich I deleted in and waved bye to it. Allison

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/29/01 11:34:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com writes: > Should I even bother going back and asking to see the stuff > in the yard? Or, has this firm agreed not to resell anything > (I'm kinda assuming that what's true for this guy is industry > standard). > > Go back. It always pays to ask. Most scrap dealers buy outright their scrap. Ii is only a small portion of the contracts that specify no resale. And certified destruction is a very small part of the scrap business. We only had two or three certified destruction contracts in the years I worked with a scrapper. One were the BIIN computers. Another was 600 Fujitsu 2333 HDs, that was an interesting week of work. Paxton Hoag Astoria, OR

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Martha Stewart

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> At 02:10 PM 11/29/2001 -0500, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > >Hungarian notation meets Homemaker nation... > > lpszGoodThing? ROFL! -q

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Spam from _sring@uslink.net?

by vcf＠vintage.org

Looks like the Classiccmp archives may have been broached by some lame spammer. Has anyone else gotten an audio file from S. Ring <_sring(a)uslink.net> with an audio file attachment, bearing the subject of an old CC message? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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PDP-8/E PowerSupply Part 2

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

OK, I got brave and flipped the switch and started testing voltages with everything disconnected. I've got a H724 PS and everything looks good except the +8Vdc line which is for powering the light bulbs on the front panel, and the 14Vac. The +8Vdc should be between 6-10Vdc according to Volume 1 of the maintenance manual, and it's currently at 11.14Vdc. The 14Vac looks like it might be even more messed up, as I'm getting 8.95Vac on one line and 19.26Vac on the other, but it doesn't look to be used. Now for everything except the +8Vdc and 14Vac everything looks to be adjustable. So, is there anything I can tweak on this, or should I just not worry about it? I really don't want to be blowing lightbulbs if I can help it. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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HP Calulator Patents

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Here is a partial list of patents relating to HP calculators. In the first column I've entered the number of pages. The short ones aren't too interesting. The following relate to specific machines although I'm not too sure about the 9805. US4437156 (334 pages) HP9825 Processor description (No firmware) US4180854 (575 pages) HP9845 Description (No firmware) US4158285 (149 pages) wristwatch calculator US4089059 (375 pages) HP9815 Processor description and firmware listing US4075679 (599 pages) HP9825 Processor description and firmware listing US4012725 (589 pages) HP9830 Processor description and firmware listing US3971925 (162 pages) HP9805 Processor description and firmware listing US3839630 (389 pages) Unknown Also US4172281 Microprogrammable Control Processor for a Minicomputor or the like (125 pages) gives a description and schematic for a 16 bit TTL machine. Uses 74S181s in the ALU and reference is made to the HP21XX in the opcode listing. Unfortunately the quality of the copy is poor and there is no microcode. Downloaded from http://gb.espacenet.com. Chris Pages Patent No Issued Title 011 US05530234 06/25/1996 Hand held calculator having a retractable cover 021 US04885714 12/05/1989 Calculator having a user-accessible object stack for the uniform application of mathematical functions and logical operations to a multiplicity of object types 030 US04821228 04/11/1989 Method and apparatus for computation stack recovery in a calculator 010 US04566072 01/21/1986 Programmable calculator including means for digitizing the position of an X-Y plotter pen 011 US04546448 10/08/1985 Programmable calculator including program variable initialization means and definition means array 031 US04480305 10/30/1984 Programmable calculator including editing capability 019 US04456964 06/26/1984 Calculator including means for displaying alphanumeric prompting messages to the operator 010 US04455618 06/19/1984 Programmable calculator 026 US04455607 06/19/1984 Programmable calculator having keys for performing angular measurement unit conversion 334 US04437156 03/13/1984 Programmable calculator 031 US04412300 10/25/1983 Programmable calculator including alphabetic output capability 026 US04384328 05/17/1983 Programmable calculator including magnetic reading and recording means 030 US04381554 04/26/1983 Calculator for storing source data and evaluating numerical answers to problems 007 US04330839 05/18/1982 Programmable calculator including means for automatically processing imformation stored on a magnetic record member 012 US04322816 03/30/1982 Programmable calculator having structure for controlling an x-y plotter 031 US04309761 01/05/1982 Calculator for evaluating numerical answers to problems 029 US04291385 09/22/1981 Calculator having merged key codes 018 US04281390 07/28/1981 Programmable calculator including means for performing computed and uncomputed relative branching during program execution 003 USD0256133 07/29/1980 Casing for an electronic calculator 031 US04203152 05/13/1980 Programmable calculator including key-log printing means 030 US04198684 04/15/1980 Electronic calculator with keyboard-controlled unary function capability 010 US04197586 04/08/1980 Electronic calculator assembly 019 US04187547 02/05/1980 Programmable calculator including means for controllably introducing blank lines on a printed record during program execution 007 US04181966 01/01/1980 Adaptable programmed calculator including a percent keyboard operator 019 US04181965 01/01/1980 Programmable calculator including program trace means ??? US04180854 12/25/1979 Programmable calculator having string variable editing capability 018 US04178633 12/11/1979 Programmable calculator including multifunction keys 012 US04177520 12/04/1979 Calculator apparatus having a single-step key for displaying and executing program steps and displaying the result 019 US04177518 12/04/1979 Programmable calculator including scrolling alphanumeric display means 018 US04164039 08/07/1979 Programmable calculator including a key for performing either a subtraction or a unary minus function 019 US04164019 08/07/1979 Programmable calculator including alphanumeric display means 019 US04162532 07/24/1979 Programmable calculator including data format display control means 019 US04161031 07/10/1979 Programmable calculator including boolean flag variable means 019 US04159525 06/26/1979 Programmable calculator employing computed memory addresses 149 US04158285 06/19/1979 Interactive wristwatch calculator 018 US04158233 06/12/1979 Programmable calculator including means for performing implied multiply operations 019 US04158231 06/12/1979 Programmable calculator including program listing means 019 US04158228 06/12/1979 Programmable calculator including alphanumeric error display means 006 US04156921 05/29/1979 Adaptable programmed calculator including automatic decimal point positioning 018 US04156918 05/29/1979 Programmable calculator including means for performing computed jumps during program execution 020 US04156917 05/29/1979 Programmable calculator including separate user program and data memory areas 018 US04156285 05/22/1979 Programmable calculator including keyboard functions whose argument may be a numeric constant, a storage register, or an arithmetic expression 018 US04156282 05/22/1979 Programmable calculator including relational operator means 020 US04152774 05/01/1979 Programmable calculator including keyboard function means for raising the number ten to any designated power 018 US04152773 05/01/1979 Programmable calculator including means for establishing a priority for executing algebraic operations 019 US04152771 05/01/1979 Programmable calculator including display means for signalling the user to indicate the exhaustion of a printer paper supply 020 US04152770 05/01/1979 Programmable calculator including means for programmably controlling magnetic storage units 019 US04152769 05/01/1979 Programmable calculator including means for permitting data entry during program execution 022 US04145752 03/20/1979 Programmable calculator including separate line numbering means for user-definable functions 025 US04145742 03/20/1979 Programmable calculator including user-definable keys 012 US04127897 11/28/1978 Programmable calculator having extended input/output capability 012 US04126898 11/21/1978 Programmable calculator including terminal control means 002 USD0249243 09/05/1978 Wristwatch calculator 002 USD0249090 08/22/1978 Casing for an electronic calculator 011 US04109315 08/22/1978 Wristwatch calculator with selectively scanned keyboard 028 US04099246 07/04/1978 Calculator having merged key codes 015 US04091270 05/23/1978 Electronic calculator with optical input means 375 US04089059 05/09/1978 Programmable calculator employing a read-write memory having a movable boundary between program and data storage sections thereof 014 US04078257 03/07/1978 Calculator apparatus with electronically alterable key symbols 599 US04075679 02/21/1978 Programmable calculator 021 US04063221 12/13/1977 Programmable calculator 005 US04059750 11/22/1977 General purpose calculator having selective data storage, data conversion and time-keeping capabilities 009 US04055757 10/25/1977 Calculator apparatus with annuity switch for performing begin-and end-period annuity calculations 002 USD0245810 09/13/1977 Casing for an electronic calculator 005 US04047012 09/06/1977 General purpose calculator having factorial capability 002 USD0245107 07/19/1977 Electronic calculator 007 US04037092 07/19/1977 Calculator having preprogrammed user-definable functions 009 US04035627 07/12/1977 Scientific calculator 002 USD0244862 06/28/1977 Casing for an electronic calculator 013 US04028538 06/07/1977 Programmable calculator employing algebraic language 589 US04012725 03/15/1977 Programmable calculator 055 US04009379 02/22/1977 Portable programmable calculator displaying absolute line number addresses and key codes and automatically altering display formats 092 US04001569 01/04/1977 General purpose calculator having selective data storage, data conversion and time-keeping capabilities 032 US03996562 12/07/1976 Programmable electronic calculator for evaluating mathematical problems 009 US03987290 10/19/1976 Calculator apparatus for displaying data in engineering notation 162 US03971925 07/27/1976 Adaptable programmed calculator having provision for plug-in keyboard and memory modules 004 US03955074 05/04/1976 General purpose calculator having keys with more than one function assigned thereto 005 US03946218 03/23/1976 General purpose calculator with capability for performing yield-to-maturity of a bond calculation 007 US03893173 07/01/1975 Miniaturized magnetic card reader/recorder for use in hand-held calculator 073 US03863060 01/28/1975 GENERAL PURPOSE CALCULATOR WITH CAPABILITY FOR PERFORMING INTERDISCIPLINARY BUSINESS CALCULATIONS 007 US03855461 12/17/1974 CALCULATOR WITH KEY CODE ASSOCIATION AND DISPLAY FEATURES 389 US03839630 10/01/1974 PROGRAMMABLE CALCULATOR EMPLOYING ALGEBRAIC LANGUAGE 058 US03825736 07/23/1974 CALCULATOR WITH PROVISION FOR EFFICIENTLY MANIPULATING FACTORS AND TERMS ??? US03781820 12/25/1973 PORTABLE ELECTRONIC CALCULATOR ??? US03769621 10/30/1973 CALCULATOR WITH PROVISION FOR AUTOMATICALLY INTERPOSING MEMORY ACCESS CYCLES BETWEEN OTHERWISE REGULARLY ??? US03711690 01/16/1973 CALCULATOR AND TESTER FOR USE THEREWITH ??? US03678466 07/18/1972 ELECTRONIC CALCULATOR ??? US03675213 07/04/1972 STORED DATA RECALL MEANS FOR AN ELECTRONIC CALCULATOR ??? US03668461 06/06/1972 OUTPUT DISPLAY FOR USE WITH A CALCULATOR ??? US03641328 02/08/1972 KEYBOARD ENTRY MEANS AND POWER CONTROL MEANS FOR CALCULATOR ??? US03623156 11/23/1971 CALCULATOR EMPLOYING MULTIPLE REGISTERS AND FEEDBACK PATHS FOR FLEXIBLE SUBROUTINE CONTROL ??? US03576983 05/04/1971 DIGITAL CALCULATOR SYSTEM FOR COMPUTING SQUARE ROOTS

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