I think this one just squeaks by the 10-year rule...
Today I visited the high school I used to go to, and walked out with an
Amiga 2000 with a Video Toaster. (Yes, I legally walked out with it...)
Anyhow, I've got the thing 'seemingly' working, but the manual for the
Toaster says that it either needs an RGB monitor connected or a terminator
on the RGB port. Does anyone here know of a source of cables for this
thing (I'm a tad low on 23pin dsub connectors) or a pair of connectors so
I can connect my A1084S up to it? For now I'm using the monochrome NTSC
output from the computer, but I would like to have a color display (and a
properly functioning Toaster).
-- Pat
I've been looking for info on an Altos 580. It's pretty thin. The
little I've found shows the db25 connectors as rs232s, and mentions
terminals. Does that mean I can get a console on my trusty MicroTerm?
If not, are there any peripherals anywhere? Display, keyboard, an OS
maybe?
Doc
Oops...that was supposed to be for Sellam directly.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cini, Richard [mailto:RCini@congressfinancial.com]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 12:33 PM
To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org'
Subject: RE: OT: name that computer
Sellam:
Are you planning for VCFE 2.0?
Rich
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:49 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: OT: name that computer
On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Chad Fernandez wrote:
> I'm not that old :-)
>
> Of course the 50's had there problems too, but they are generally
> portrayed as being quite wholesome. I wasn't around, but I suspect they
> were. It was probably backlash from WW2.
As long as people continue to age, there will always result a large
population of curmudgeons who will lament their perception that "things
were better in my day".
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Does anyone know much about these? I picked up TWO of these cards today
and each one has 144 NCR45CG72 ICs on it. It looks ike EACH IC has 72
microproccesors in it. That makes a total of 20,736 processors!!! Here's a
bit that I found while searching the net. IN FACT, these may be the exact
cards that this guy is referring to since much of the stuff that I find
does orginate at MMC.
Joe
9. Geometric Arithmatic Parallel Processor {GAPP}, a real time vision
recognition, dynamically partitionable, dynamically fault reconfigurable,
array processor (SIMD) for Martin Marietta in Orlando. Each IC contained
72 microprocessors, composed of a single TCU and multiple ALU-register
sets. Array grows in X and Y dimensions to match a required image array of
pixels matrix, and decimates in time to allow fault reconfiguration and
price/performance options. First successful SIMD VLSI. First successful
real time image recognition. Responsibility included addition to
instruction set {If then, case, etc based on if any, if all, if none},
redesign for performance enhancement, and design of fault reconfiguration
switching at internal IC level and external array coordination.
Non-classified version is the 45CG72 from NCR.
>So, to fit the HP formatter board into the Apple chassis, you need to
>replace the base tray (so as to provide the font slots), the connectors
>on the DC controller board (or maybe just swap the entire board :-(), the
>control panel (no way will the HP board drive the Apple LED panel), and
>thus part of the outer casing as well. It's possible, but why bother.
Yeah really... at that point I might as well either yank the good pickup
rollers from the Apple, or for $30 just buy another set.
>It would be simpler to swap over the rollers (or the complete pickup
>shaft assembly). Those parts are _identical_ between the 2 printers.
>
>Take off the outer casing at the top (lots of screws, then unplug the
>cable to the status LEDs or control panel).
Yeah, I have done this repair on my Apple LW IINT once before... I will
most likey buy another kit for the HP when the fuser on it dies (it has a
nasty scar across it, and is starting to peel... it is still printing
fine with no adverse marks, but I suspect in a few months of decent use,
that will stop being the case)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
>Whoa.... well, think of this as whole as a learning experience... an
>expensive one, but a learning experience nonetheless :-)
Well.. it really isn't too expensive... the printer only cost me $20
cash, and about an hour of my time... and the bonus is, by the time I
left, I found an employee that could really use a PC printer right in
their office, so they are getting the HP later this week.
So in the end all worked out well.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Does anyone have a good way to identify ICs made by TRW? I've searched
the net and found almost nothing. I'd like to id the LSICs shown in this
picture <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/trw/ics.jpg>. The smaller ones are
marked TRW 8429/AC 1016J5C8 and the bigger one is marked TRW TD1007J1.
The big one is very impressive looking (the pictures don't do it justice).
Not only due to it's size but it also has gold leads and a black anodized
heatsink with gold lettering epoxied(?) to the top of it and it just looks
impressive. These are on a Multibus card that was part of the same system
that had the Geometric Array Processors. I think this may have been part of
the I/O subsystem that passed data to and from the GAPP.
Joe
>Will the HPLJ2 board fit into the slot underneath the LW2NT?
>Does it have the same connector?
Humm... I didn't get that far as actually pulling the board.
Although, this whole printer has been one slap my head experience.
I had a printer die that was hooked up to an NT box to act as a network
print spooler (well, actually, the printer works fine, but it needs a new
drum and developer kit $200 for the pair, and that isn't worth it for
this printer).
So I bought the HP from the local salvation army store for $20. When I
tried to use it, it was failing to pickup the paper... a new pickup kit
is $30 (well worth it for the HP LJ2). But since I had the unused working
Apple LW IINT, I figured I could just swap the mobo so I can use the
parallel interface to reconnect to my NT spooler.
Well... head slap #1... I don't need to replace the pickup rollers... I
just needed to clean them, and use a little rubber rejuvenator... now it
picks up like a charm.
So I do the swap, get it all hooked up to my NT spooler, get everything
working... and head into the office of the only computer that matters
about printing to it... to find head slap #2...
I changed the PC to a Mac last week and totally forgot.... that means I
could have just used my Apple LW IINT with a quick and dirty LocalTalk
connection! I didn't need to go thru all this buying and fixing and
testing of the HP after all! (For the handful of PCs that also print to
the printer, I can let them use the NT spooler over a serial connection,
and just deal with the painfully slow print speed... the others only
print 5 or 6 times a year anyway).
So now, later this week... I will change the printer AGAIN, and go to the
Apple LW IINT over Localtalk (probably dedicate an old Mac with ethernet
to act as a Ethernet to Localtalk bridge).
But at least I have a working HP LJ 2 to use elsewhere.... now to find a
legal cassette tray for it.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Free stuff that isn't worth much!
Operational Franklin Ace 1000 computer - no drives.
Pick-up, or pay for delivery from Irvine, CA.
Steve.
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This weekend I picked up a HP 9915A computer (rackmount HP-85) with 2 HP-IB,
serial and BCD card. I've also got the manuals for the expansion cards and a
manual for a HP-85. I haven't got the tapes and the keyboard.
Does anyone have the pin-out for the connectors on the back? There is a
keyboard and a control (=com?) port on the back, but I don't know what I should
connect to those. I tried connecting a terminal to the serial card, but there
wasn't any output. It gives an error message on the composite video output, so
I guess the unit is working OK. And the last question, what are those
unlabelled keys on the front of the unit? Are these softkeys like on other Hp
equipment?
thanks,
Michiel
> I ended up with one awhile back, but it's missing the drive belts for the
> rollers. I'd be happy to try that trick out if someone knows where I can
> buy the belts for it.
A good place to start would be
http://www.ncspearson.com
-dq
I have been looking for a table top TU-58 with two drives
without success. Might anyone have the box for a TU58-FX
which does not work, but I may then be able to find the drives
separately?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net]
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Christopher Smith wrote:
> > Well, on one hand, yes, but on the other hand, I like my
> Indigo 2 Elan with
> > no texture memory just fine. I'm also considering trying
> I didn't know you had another SGI box ;)
Yep.
> A couple people I've known who ended up with old SGI gear thought they
> were going to create some kind of fancy animations with this kind of
> hardware, so I never know what to think now.
Depends on what you mean by "fancy animations." It will probably do better
out of the box than most new peesees depending on what you'd like to
animate. (and whether it requires texture memory, of course) Both of my
SGIs, for instance, have analog video in/out, which is a start. On the
other hand, you can't really do a good animation with anything "out of the
box." It usually takes a lot of strange stuff.
The graphical prowess of the machines is still something, though. For
instance, the ability of the machine to provide individual color-maps for
different windows on the screen, without the nasty palette-flashing that's
seen in xfree86 on an intel box (for example) when you try the same...
> Sounds like you at least have an original VGX chassis then.
> It is possible
> someone upgraded some of the boards, but the only way you'll
> be able to
> tell is to pull them and cross reference the part numbers.
I'm thinking about doing that. The label on top of the chassis actually
says "4D/440 VGX" or something to that effect.
Regards,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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'
>-> It is the laptop, and a toshiba carry bag for it. There was no power
>-> supply that I saw, or manuals.
>
>Doesn't need one. Uses standard 120vac power cord.
Humm... maybe I didn't pay enough attention (I wasn't really that
interested in it myself), but I could have sworn their was a port marked
DC and it was a small 3 pin jack that looked alot like the old Hayes
modem power jacks (squarish with the edges cut off).
But maybe in my quick glance I either looked at the wrong port, or just
had a brain fart at what I was looking at.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
>Out of curiosity, how many here care whether or not the machines they
>collect are considered "collectable" or "top collectable?" Isn't the
>point of collecting these machines to have fun toys to play with?
>Collecting was more fun, and the machines were easier to find, when
>nearly everyone considered them worthless a decade or so ago.
As many other have said here, I try to hang on to only those machines that I
can put to use. One exception would be the various SBCs I own, but you
could argue that they are useful for learning about the procerssor they
host.
Also, like others, nobody is really impressed by my collection. I don't do
it for them, I do it for me....
My "lab" is in the finished basement of our new-to-us house (and leaking
into the garage). The previous owners left brown shag rug and paneling, so
it has that nice '70's look, to match the computers! :-) One friend of my
wife, whose husband works for the government, remarked upon coming down the
stairs and seeing my stuff scattered about: "This looks like one of those
places my husband goes into where the bust the guy for having all his kiddie
porn stashed on his computers". She laughed, I didn't... :-(
Rich B.
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Does anyone have any information (ideally, data sheets) on the 8T01
16-pin DIP Nixie Decoder/Driver IC? I had no luck with the IC Master
online or a Google search...
-Bill Richman (bill_r(a)inetnebr.com)
Web Page: http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r
Home of the COSMAC Elf Microcomputer Simulator, Fun with
Molten Metal, Orphaned Robots, and Technological Oddities.
My local Salvation Army store has a Toshiba 3100SX laptop for $8.00 if
anyone wants it.
It is the laptop, and a toshiba carry bag for it. There was no power
supply that I saw, or manuals.
Also, on the back there is a spot for what looks like a modem (don't
remember exactly what it said, something about phone interface though)...
but other than the cover plate, whatever is supposed to be installed in
that spot is missing (there is a whole in the plate, and you can see
inside to where something should be).
It was there as of Saturday, and they are closed on Sunday's, so it is
probably still there. If someone wants it, just let me know, I'll grab it
for them and ship it out.
Obviously if you want it, you cover actual purchase cost ($7.99 + 6%
sales tax) and shipping... I'm not interested in making money off it (but
if you want to slip me a buck for picking it up, that's always nice).
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Hi,
this is a followup to the problem I'm having formatting a TK50 drive
with a VMS filesystem, needed to create a diagnostic tape. I am on
a VAX 6400 with VMS 5.4 or 7.2 (dual boot so to speak :-), nether
works. I do
$ INITIALIZE MUC6: ELAN
When that runs the tape scrunches and spins happily until suddenly:
%PBC0, Port is Reinitializing ( 45 Retries Left). Check the Error Log.
%INIT-F-VOLINV, volume is not software enabled
then in the error log I find what's attached below. This time, I
believe the critical entry is there. Could someone help me
interpreting this? I suppose it might just have a data error,
but this should really not make the whole thing stop. I had
several warnings when I wrote a tape with this drive on a
uVAX-II with NetBSD, and it still went on writing it all. So
is there an easy fix?
Could it be that the TK50 tape doesn't play well with the TQK70
controller? Would it be better if I hooked the TK50 to the DEBNT,
but where on the backplane rear do I connect this sort of thing
and how is the IDC connector wired on the VAXBI side?
thanks for helping out,
-Gunther
******************************* ENTRY 3695. *******************************
ERROR SEQUENCE 157. LOGGED ON: SID 0B000006
DATE/TIME 2-MAR-2002 14:18:55.32 SYS_TYPE 02400101
SYSTEM UPTIME: 0 DAYS 00:08:56
SCS NODE: VAX/VMS V5.4
ERL$LOGMESSAGE ENTRY KA64A CPU FW REV# 6. CONSOLE FW REV# 4.0
XMI NODE # 1.
I/O SUB-SYSTEM, UNIT _MUC6:
MESSAGE TYPE 0002
TAPE MSCP MESSAGE
MSLG$L_CMD_REF 6ADA0004
MSLG$W_UNIT 0006
UNIT #6.
MSLG$W_SEQ_NUM 0000
SEQUENCE #0.
MSLG$B_FORMAT 05
TAPE ERROR
MSLG$B_FLAGS 41
SEQUENCE NUMBER RESET
OPERATION CONTINUING
MSLG$W_EVENT 0068
DATA ERROR
READ DATA CHECK
MSLG$Q_CNT_ID 132B0008
0342F6A1
UNIQUE IDENTIFIER, F6A1132B0008(X)
TAPE CLASS DEVICE
TBK70
MSLG$B_CNT_SVR 00
CONTROLLER SOFTWARE VERSION #0.
0C
UNIT HARDWARE REVISION #12.
MSLG$B_LEVEL 01
MSLG$B_RETRY 2C
MSLG$L_GAP_CNT 00000000
GAP COUNT = 0.
MSLG$B_FMTR_SVR 00
FORMATTER SOFTWARE VERSION #0.
MSLG$B_FMTR_HVR 00
FORMATTER HARDWARE REVISION #0.
TK70 DEVICE/CONTROLLER DEPENDENT INFORMATION
DRIVE FLAGS 13
CARTRIDGE PRESENT
HEAD AT TRACK ZERO
POSITIONED AT BOT
TRK NUMBER 00
LOGICAL TRACK NUMBER = 0.
PHYSICAL BLK# 0004
PHYSICAL BLOCK NUMBER = 4.
LOGICAL BLK# 00
LOGICAL BLOCK NUMBER = 0.
TAPE POSITION 0100B4
TAPE POSITION = 65716.
DRIVE STATE 0A0C
RD/WRT STATE 2B3C
OPERATION FLGS 01A2
CNTRLR STATUS 02
RECOVERED BY RETRY
DRIVE ERR CODE 13
COMMUNICATIONS ERROR
****** ENTRY 3694., ERROR SEQUENCE 156. LOGGED ON SID 0B000006
ERL$LOGSTATUS ENTRY KA64A CPU FW REV# 6. CONSOLE FW REV# 4.0
XMI NODE # 1.
I/O SUB-SYSTEM, UNIT _MUC6:
MSLG$L_CMD_REF 6ADA0004
ORB$L_OWNER 00000000
OWNER UIC [000,000]
UCB$L_CHAR 0CC44038
DIRECTORY STRUCTURED
SINGLE DIRECTORY
"SEQUENTIAL BLOCK" ORIENTED
FILE ORIENTED
AVAILABLE
ERROR LOGGING
ALLOCATED
CAPABLE OF INPUT
CAPABLE OF OUTPUT
UCB$L_OPCNT 00000003
3. QIO'S THIS UNIT
UCB$W_ERRCNT 0001
1. ERRORS THIS UNIT
UCB$W_STS 0810
ONLINE
SOFTWARE VALID
CDRP$L_MEDIA 00000000
CDRP$W_FUNC 000C
READ PHYSICAL BLOCK
CDRP$L_BCNT 00000050
TRANSFER SIZE 80. BYTE(S)
CDRP$W_BOFF 0170
368. BYTE PAGE OFFSET
CDRP$L_PID 0001000D
REQUESTOR "PID"
CDRP$Q_IOSB 000001F4
00000000 IOSB, 0. BYTE(S) TRANSFERRED
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Either of you guys want a copy of the
990 Computer Family Systems Handbook?
mike
-------Original Message----------
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 22:28:17 -0500
From: "James B. DiGriz" <jbdigriz(a)dragonsweb.org>
Subject: Re: 990
Merle K. Peirce wrote:
> I think they are both variations of the 990/12. One may be a model 8. I
> think one is a 13 slot chassis, the other a 17.
>
I have a /10 in a 13 slot chassis. ~512K installed, several more 192 and
<snippage>
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----- Forwarded message from Lorenzo Colautti <lcolautti(a)libero.it> -----
From: "Lorenzo Colautti" <lcolautti(a)libero.it>
To: <mrbill(a)pdp11.org>
Subject: Two PDP-11 in Italy
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:38:13 +0100
Hello!
I have two fully-functional PDP11-45 systems, with some spare parts, documentation, tests, ecc.
But in Italy I was unable to find any person or organisation interested in this.
Can you help me? I don't wont throw them!
Lorenzo Colautti
colautti.lorenzo(a)enel.it
Endesa Italia s.r.l.
Monfalcone (GO)
ITALY
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com]
> a copy of 3.1. I just haven't found the hardware combo to run it.
> I still don't know where I got this, but I found tarball & README.
> It's AfterStep, with a title & readme touting it as "OpenSTEP for
> Linux". Somebody's idea of a joke?
No, somebody just probably forgot to check their facts. :)
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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Just a quick note to let everyone know that Yahoo is having a free
listing day on Tuesday. I plan on putting a number of items there up for
auction that might be of interest to listmembers, and will post the URL
tomorrow.
1. 3-ring notebook containing:
BASIC Programming Techniques with Extensions 2.0
for the HP series 200 Computers
Manual Part No. 09826-90011
Copyright 1982
Darn close to mint condition
2. Plastic spiral bound photocopy of:
Basic 3.0 Utilities Library
for the HP series 200 Computers
Manual Part No. 098613-10020
Copyright 1984
As good as the day it was copied.
3. Wire spiral bound pocket reference:
Basic 2.0 Condensed Reference with Extensions 2.1
Manual Part No. 09826-90051
First Edition July, 1983
Cover torn 1.25" along spiral at bottom, a name lightly written
across the top of the cover and at the top of the title page.
Otherwise VGC.
Cost: Free + Actual shipping, although donations are appreciated.
Bill
http://www.swtpc.com
1 MBYTE MEMORY BOARD
For HP 9000 Series 200/300 computers
User's Manual
September 1986
Publication #: 040986
Manual Part# 9837257
IEM, Inc.
Fort Collins, CO
Plastic Spiral bound, 22 pages incl. covers; configuration, dip switch
settings, etc. VGC
Cost: Free + Actual shipping, although donations are appreciated.
Bill
Sellam:
Are you planning for VCFE 2.0?
Rich
==========================
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Congress Financial Corporation
1133 Avenue of the Americas
30th Floor
New York, NY 10036
(212) 545-4402
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:49 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: OT: name that computer
On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Chad Fernandez wrote:
> I'm not that old :-)
>
> Of course the 50's had there problems too, but they are generally
> portrayed as being quite wholesome. I wasn't around, but I suspect they
> were. It was probably backlash from WW2.
As long as people continue to age, there will always result a large
population of curmudgeons who will lament their perception that "things
were better in my day".
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
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And finally:
An almost mint manual:
STD-ALPHA
Variable Format Video Display Controller
MANUAL NO. 159-A50-06/0
17/5/84
Matrox Electronic Systems Ltd.
"Direct Plug-in for Mostek MD-STD-Z80 BUS"
66 pages
1.0 Specs
2.0 Function Description (2 pages)
3.0 Initial Check-Out
4.0 Software
5.0 Straps
6.0 Circuit Description (4 pages)
7.0 MCH-01 Character Generator
8.0 Read/Write Timing
9.0 Pin Assignment
10.0 Maintenance and Warranty
11.0 Ordering Information
12.0 C.R.T.C. Data Sheets (27 pages on HD6845S CRT Controller)
13.0 Schematics and Diagrams (4 pages)
Cost: Free + Actual shipping, although donations are appreciated.
Please contact me off list.
Bill
Spotted these in the local (Washington, PA 15301) Goodwill:
1. Wyse 55 model 901237-01 w/ keyboard 840358-01
Dirty but not beat up. Green screen. No burn.
Checks out OK in Local. $8.50
2. Wyse 150 900983-1 w/ keyboard 840358-01
Dirty but not beat up. Green screen. No burn.
Checks out OK in Local. $8.50
If anyone is interested in one or both of these, LMK via private email
to make arrangements.
They're still at Goodwill. I would have bought them, but I have enough
already for my own uses.
Bill
Hi folks. I have a Procom Technology 8-bit ISA bus CDROM controller
available for the cost of shipping. Anybody interested?
-Dave
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On Sat, 9 Mar 2002; Jochen <jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> wrote:
> On 8 Mar, Mzthompson(a)aol.com wrote:
>
> > So the question is when did the RISC series of processors come into
> > use, and are these 'unmarked' tapes likely for VAX?
>
> The DECstation 3100 was the first RISC Unix workstation made by DEC. It
> came in 1989 to the market.
Thanks, that was what my old and vague memory was recalling.
> From there
> on none of the new MicroVAXen / VAXstations was supported by Ultrix.
What are you considering new? I am looking at the Ultrix 4.x Basic
Installation guide dated 1990 and it lists over a dozen uVAX's, VAXservers,
and VAXstations.
> AFAIK Ultrix 3.0 was current at that time.
Sounds about right.
So it would seem OK to say that these tapes I have are for VAX. Looking
at the tapes:
1) Ultirx-32 V2.0 16 USR TK50 1987
My question here would be was this the only tape needed to install
this version?
2) Ultrix-32 V2.2-1 Supp TK50 1988
With this tape marked 'SUPP' I suspect that I only have the one tape
of a multi-tape set.
Well, someone else on the list was asking if I had any versions of Ultrix
for VAX. I guess it looks like a possibility.
Thanks,
Mike
Does regular paper tape normally come with the sprocket holes pre-punched,
or does the device that punches the data holes also punch the sprocket
holes? I recently bought some "paper tape" from eBay, and it looks like
the right stuff except it's totally without holes. I don't think I've
ever seen "virgin" tape before, but I had the idea that the sprocket holes
down the middle came with the tape. I'm kicking around trying to build my
own tape punch, since I have been unsuccessful at scrounging or buying one
so far. I picked up some stainless steel flat and some rod of the
appropriate diameter for the holes today, along with some solenoids for
actuating said rods. I'm thinking of machining the stainless to make my
own punch, but the lack of sprocket holes on the new tape has me confused.
Do I need to add another solenoid and pin to punch a smaller hole for the
sprocket, or did I just buy some odd-ball tape?
I've spent some years on the net searching for info on my latest acquisition
and how to get it functioning. In the mutitude of sites available some provided
useful info on the machine or platform while others simply supplied pictures
of a collection. Sources could lead you to a multitude of sites before you
found the one that answered your questions, if you were lucky.
The problem is the common problem on the net of too much information.
Sellams site is a case in point, and IINM my site-list from T3C served as a
source for his some of his list. The multitude of sites is just too overwhelming.
What would be good is the definitive computer site for each computer or the
catagory you're looking for. Jeff Helliges site for the Tandy 2000
http://www.cchaven.com
Tim Manns TRS80 site
http://www.tim-mann.org/trs80new.html
Kees Travers TRS m.II
http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/cm/modelii.html
Merch's site for the m.100 ( Can't find it in my list.Put it in your sig file Merch)
For the CoCo
http://zeppelin.tzo.cc/coco/coco.jhtml
Tandy 1000 page (can't find it- Red dog page ?)
As examples just for the Tandy boxes.
comprehensive sites like the PCjr one
http://mail.magnaspeed.net/~mbbrutman/PCjr/pcjr.html
or any of the PS/2 Mafia pages and the IBM Can site for most models
It would still comprise a multitude of info but would point you to the best
sources of info on that box you just acquired.
And of course generate a bunch of disagreements on the list as to the
most authoritive site.
Sellams site would likely be the best place to list such a thing as it is well-
known and would likely need only a minimum of re-organisation.
And of course could have various sections for those into micros, minis, and
even mainframes. Rogers site could be a kickoff for Laptops.
The main thing would be that the listing was the authoritive site in the
opinion of the list, and save a collector from tedius Google searches.
Possibly even a rating system could be used.
Lawrence
Reply to: lgwalker(a)mts.net
Love of the Goddess makes the poet go mad
he goes to his death and in death is made wise.
Robert Graves
Can anyone here help me with this. I need to know
the sequence that Intel RAM (SRAM and DRAM) was
introduced. If you think you know dates, give them.
In know that Intel's first RAM was the 3101 SRAM
Then came the 1101 SRAM
I "think" the 1103 DRAM was next.
Then comes... What?
I suspect the 2101? Or was it the 2102? Not sure
which came first.
I think the 2111 and 2112 came after the 2102.
Anyway, if you can help, let me know what order you
think the Intel RAM was introduced.
I've tried figuring this out from the 1977 IC Master but
it list everything up thru the 2114
and does not indicate when the chips were introduced.
Here's the base numbers I'm interested in.
1101
1103
2101
2102
2104
2105
2106
2107
2108
2109
2111
2112
2113
2114
2115
2116
2117
2118
2125
2148
2149
3101
3102
3104
3106
3107
5101
Also, if you know of any early Intel RAM not listed, please
let me know.
As always, I am looking to buy any vintage Intel or Intel
2nd source processors, EPROM's, PROMS's, ROM, RAM,
or support chips you have, that I don't, that you don't need.
In particular, I'm looking for the following:
Intel C1701 EPROM
Intel C1702 EPROM (not C1702A)
Intel C1602 PROM
Intel C1602A PROM
Intel C3101A in white CerDIP package without visible
gray traces.
Intel C2704 EPROM
Intel C8080 (not C8080A)
Eng Samples of Intel 4004 thru 8088 processors.
Toshiba TMP9080AC (8080 clone)
Mitsubishi M58710S (8080 clone)
Early AMD 8080's before AMD started using the AM9080
part numbers.
I've got a pile (seven or eight or maybe more) of Sun VME boards
free for pickup in Austin, TX.
I know one of them is a 4/6x0 memory board (tons of 30pin slots);
i've got a couple of SCSI controllers, some IPI controlelrs, ALM-2
boards, etc.
Just cleaning out the closet.
Must pick up - WILL NOT SHIP, *unless* you have something nifty to
trade (looking for ham radio equipment, etc..)
Bill
--
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mrbill(a)mrbill.net
Austin, TX
I've got a Sun 2/170 and a 2/120 (one is a big black rackmount
cube-ish enclosure, the other is a deskside tower reminiscent of a
skinny 3/260), free for pickup in Austin, TX.
The /170 will need some cleanup and TLC; the /120 just needs a
monitor cable (9pin mono monitor; an all-wires straight-through
9pin serial cable works fine), keyboard cable, mouse, and mouse pad.
WILL NOT SHIP. You will need to come pick these up.
Bill
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mrbill(a)mrbill.net
Austin, TX
I have the following two boards which I like to dispose of. Free to a good
home, as long as you don't put them up on eBay. Buyer pays shipping, let's
say $5.00 each.
1. Computer Products Model 312 w/cabinet kit. I believe this is a DHV11
clone (dual width, qbus). The cabinet kit has 8 DB25 connectors.
2. Simpact Assocates, Inc. ICP 1622 Comm (quad width, qbus). I have no idea
what this card is, but it does have a socketed DEC 21-17311-01 chip on it
(which I believe is the bus interface.) I imagine that it is a
communications card of some sort.
Both cards are untested and shipped as-is. The ICP 1622 was pulled from a
working system, so I'd guess that it works. The other arrived with a pile of
equipment, so I have no idea about it's status.
Bill
Hi found this funny t-shirt being auctioned on ePay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2008676061
What I don't quite understand is what message this t-shirt
was supposed to convey, so I just thought may be I should
take it literally. And so I did :-) See here:
http://aurora.regenstrief.org/VAX/open-systems.jpg
regards,
-Gunther
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Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care
Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine
tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org
Hi, let me share a frightening story with you that I lived
through while my family had naptime.
I decided to try out Isildur's idea of booting Ultrix using
a KA62A processor in the hope that that would be supported
right off the 4.5 boot tape. And I just happened to have one
such T2011 board in a box (taken off a lonely 6310 in a
barn full of bird-poop.) So, I took all 6 KA64As out and
stacked them on some papers that I use to pack most
of my boards (with papers between the boards so they would not
stick together :-).
Put the KA62A in and fired up. A lonely light lit and no
real function was to be observed. I moved all 4 MS65A-DA boards
out too, because I figured that may be a KA62A doesn't know
how to deal with MS65A-DA. I swapped in some of those T2014
that seem to multiply while stored in the box. Anyway, it still
wouldn't work.
The self test progress report shows that the CPU detects no
memory and then it reports that problem explicitly and stops.
The CPU error status lights say hexadecimal C0. I could not
find any table explaining what C0 status code is. It could
be boring (like "no memory found", which I know) or it
could indicate some condition that I could fix, like "backplane
wiring error" :-). I stuffed the whole XMI bus full with those
32 MB cards in the hopes that one would work, but to no
avail. So, perhaps the memory access path in that CPU board
is broken? Is there any rewiring to be done when converting
a 6400 down to a 6200?
Anyway, my daughter came downstairs indicating naptime was
over and so it was time to finish up. KA62A and all MS62A back
in the box and all 6 KA64As and 4 MS65A-DA back into the
bus fired up and all processors were indicating they were
somehow not agreeing who would get to be the primary CPU.
Hit reset and they figured it out. But now they were
bitching about memory and the CPUs showed minuses in the
selftest monitor. Rearranged the CPUs and the memory, still
no good luck. Everything was screwed up! I was afraid I
had killed all my boards by careless handling (I did this
before, may be not with that polyester pullover that might
have sent static sparks, like they do.)
Took all but one CPU out and that did do the self test OK.
But one MS65A board seemed broken. It failed regardless
which slot I put it. Finally I took it all out. Then the
CPUs back in and again it didn't work. I then put CPUs
back one by one powering up each time to see progress.
Slowly, one by one, the number of board which I thought
I had killed reduced down to 1, the memory board. The order
in which I put in the CPUs and the restarting every time
seemed to be important. Then, finally I even found one
configuration of the memory boards where all 4 were detected
and tested fine. Hey I was so scared I had killed half
of my VAX through carelessness. But I didn't. I am quite
confused why it is all so finnicky about the order of
installing the hardware. I won't mess with this machine's
XMI configuration any time soon.
regards
-Gunther
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Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care
Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine
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Today's brag: a Woz IIgs with 20MB Applied Ingenuity internal HD and 1MB
RAM card. I transferred the hard disk, cover (*smirk*) and RAM card to my
1MB ROM 03 IIgs, and now I have a faux Woz with ROM 03 firmware, a 20MB disk
with 6.0.1 on it and 2MB of RAM. Now all I need is a CPU upgrade and a
good modem ...
The G3 for the PowerBook 1400 also arrived today too and that was almost as
much fun. :-)
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On Sat, 9 Mar 2002; "Davison, Lee" <Lee.Davison(a)merlincommunications.com>
wrote:
> > As an example, I use to work on some navigational
> > transmitters with power output of a few hundred watts.
> > There was a test jack for sampling the RF output and you
> > hooked a scope to the jack. The gotcha was when you
> > hooked the coax cable to the transmitter first instead of
> > the scope. If you did that, the transmitter went down
> > within seconds.
> This is rot!
No it's not. I know of a couple technicians who goofed and caused
it to happen.
> On a transmitter with even a few watts output the
> RF probe coupling would be -10dB or more, so even an open
> or short on this would give a return of -20dB. This is so
> small it can be ignored, in fact many antenna systems aren't
> that good.
I agree with what you say here, even for the vintage of the
transmitters. They were built in the 40's & 50's. It was
even fascinating to see how the technology worked. To modulate
a portion of the RF with low frequency (ranging from 30 to 90 hz)
there was two RF coupling loops with a specially designed fan
blade spinning between the loops. This changed the amplitude
of the RF coupled from one loop to the other.
You can probably imagine the fascination of some technicians
when we swapped out this vintage tube type monsters with
state-of-the-art-neato solid state units. Got questions from
the some of the old timers 'Duh, it taint got no moving parts, how
does it modulate the carrier?'.
> As a termination a scope is a very poor match for any low Z
> RF source it's impedance being 1Mohm or more so it
> wouldn't matter if you plugged it in or not. Also most test
> gear can't absorb any ammount of watts for any length of
> time, so if the port was a high power snif it would have to be
> terminated at the port with a high power attenuator which
> gives a good match regardless of it's terminating Z.
Because of the vintage of the equipment and operating in the
VHF band (108-118 mhz), we had special scopes that that had
a special RF input section that could handle a few watts. This
was what we used to check the modulation pattens and the like.
> > The open circuit at the other end of the coax got
> > reflected back to the transmitter as a low
> > impedance and detuned it, and the monitoring circuits
> > would detect the detuning and pull the plug.
> This depends entirely on the wavelength length of the
> coax. Did you use an exact odd multiple of 1/4 wavelength
> coax every time?
Yes, it was required for use with the scope.
> can you remember the make/model of these transmitters?
Nope, I have slept since then. They were all special designed for
the government. In fact when they were replaced with solid state
units (1980's), we had orders to destroy the old ones. They did
not want them on the surplus market where they might show up in
operation later.
I do remember now, one model was built by Wurlizter (sp?), yep, the
electronic organ folks.
And now, I would like to apologize to the list. While this meets (and
exceeds greatly) the 10 year guideline, it would not by any stretch of
the imagination 'compute'. I was simply trying to point out the need
for proper termination of a circuit, regardless of where the circuit is
and what it does. Forgive me.
Mike
Slightly OT.
Does anyone have the read/write spec for a PALCE16V8H?
I want to put more memory on an 8032 SBC but can't afford
to buy a programmer just to read the chip that does the
decoding. I can replace it with a GAL part but I'd like to read
the original.
Ta.
Lee.
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:26:44 -0500
From: "Glen Goodwin" <acme_ent(a)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: ADV: International Trade
> From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com>
> Umm, that post looked like a duck & quacked like a duck.... I don't
> _care_ if they said it wasn't a duck.
Yes, and this kind of duck really sucks.
When are we going to do something about this?
Hello?
Jay?
Glen
0/0
I am looking down the road a bit on whether it
might be feasible to add a CD-RW to my VMS
system. My first question is if it will work
with my present hardware:
To be clustered: VAXstation 3100, VAXstation 2000 (will probably not
be clustered, but be a dedicated disk formatter),
MicroVAX 3100-30, MicroVAX II.
... and software:
VMS 5.5-2 (will hopefully upgrade to latest version
when get CD-ROM such as 'Toshiba XM-6401B'.)
So if I add a 'Plextor PlexWriter (SCSI) and use:
CDRECORD
LD062
... will I have a way to backup data onto CD-R's?
How about 'performance'? I am thinking it will be
slow, but how slow?
--
Bill
Amsterdam, NL
hi,
On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 08:39:15PM +0000, Andrew Basterfield wrote:
> You can get one from here
>
> http://lios.apana.org.au/~cdewick/data/bootroms.html
thanks to all who replied. i've never seen this site, sure it's cool :)
regards,
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i am looking for an image of OpenBoot PROM for SPARCstation 10, the
latest one - 2.25 Version 0. is there any good soul out there who would
send me a dump from EEPROM? i would really appreciate it..
thanks,
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Hi
while watchning 'I dream of Jeannie' episode 40 -
'The girl who never had a birthday', Tony uses a
computer at NASA, It had black and white switches,
grouped into blocks four.
Looked as the front was made of brushed metal, have
anyone seen that episode or know that kind of computer
it might have been ?
Regards Jacob Dahl Pind
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Email: Rachael_(a)gmx.net
url: http://rachael.dyndns.org
Hello all;
I just picked up a Digital ApplicationDEC 433MP server. Monster
server box. Seems to be a multi processor (up to 4) 486 server that ran
SCO/Unix 386, modified for this machine. I am trying to get it running
again, and seem to have some memory errors when it powers up and self
tests. Does anyone have this machine they can provide more info on?
Looking also for parts, cpu boards (mine only has a single cpu card),
memory, etc.... Can anyone help?
Thanks
David Barnes
'course, it takes a heck of a lot of steel for it to amount to jack squat..
Steel is so worthless compared to aluminum, etc.
Will J
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> From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com>
> Umm, that post looked like a duck & quacked like a duck.... I don't
> _care_ if they said it wasn't a duck.
Yes, and this kind of duck really sucks.
When are we going to do something about this?
Hello?
Jay?
Glen
0/0
I have an IPC with HP UX 5.0 and HP Basic in ROM. The system has a built in
HP-IB connector as well as an HP-IB expansion card. The system boots fine
but I haven't had much success in getting the built-in floppy drive to read
the floppies I have prepared (using a wide variety of systems and techniques).
I am trying to use an external HP-IB dual floppy drive (an HP 9122D) but
the IPC refuses to admit that the 9122 is connected.
So, if anybody has tranferred images to a floppy, please let me know of
your technique. I have PCs running many OSs (from MSDOS 5.0 to Windows 2000
and OpenBSD, FreeBSD and Linux). I also have Sparcs with Solaris 7 and
OpenBSD.
On the subject of documentation. If anybody has manuals for this machine
please send me a note. If you don't want to part with them I can pay for
photocopies.
It is very frustrating to have the IPC just standing there when I *know*
I can get it to work.
Thanks
**vp
PS I suspect that the built-in floppy is double sided-double density,
but anybody knows block size, interleave etc. of these diskettes?
Does anyone have a manual for one of these? I bought one for $1 and now
I know why. The 5V PS was putting out about 20 volts! I've fixed the PS
and got the card talking to a terminal again after replacing about 6 ICs
but I'm not sure of some of the features on it so I can't test it completely.
Joe
> Andy Holt wrote:
>
>A _really_ fast paper tape reader was capable of 2000 cps ... but
needed
>special spooling arangements to feed the tape fast enough.
And one built during WW2 would run rings
around it (5000 char/second):
http://www.codesandciphers.org.uk/lorenz/rebuild.htm
>Very imptessive to watch when it was working properly ... and even
more
>impressive when it failed :-(
The Colossus one was (at least once) run to the
point that the tape failed - talk about paper cuts!!
Antonio
On March 9, Doc Shipley wrote:
> I dunno why y'all are so excited about them; I see them on eBay pretty
> frequently. As in:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2008371320
>
> Does this mean we should do a cooperative snatch? (DON'T go near
> there, Dave)
8-)
-Dave
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St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
Have you checked MicroMint and the CCI archives? They're usually pretty
good. If you really have no luck, let me know and I'll do some digging; might
have some info.
mike
------------------Original Message---------------------
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:31:38 -0500
From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: MicroMint BCC52 BASIC controller
Does anyone have a manual for one of these? I bought one for $1 and now
I know why. The 5V PS was putting out about 20 volts! I've fixed the PS
and got the card talking to a terminal again after replacing about 6 ICs
but I'm not sure of some of the features on it so I can't test it completely.
Joe
I have not been up in the storage area for over 10 years and I found
several items of interest up there;
1. AJ832 keyboard printer terminal operator's manual
2. IBM - Introduction to IBM Data Processing Systems C20-1684-2 a pretty
cool book.
3.IBM - Introduction to Virtual Storage in the System/370 GR20-4260-1
4. IBM - An Introduction to Linear Programming GE20-8171-0
5. Data Storage System 370 service
6. HP 9825 Desktop Computer Quick Reference
7. HP 9825A Desktop Computer Operating and Programming
7. A notebook with the 9825 Customer Course in it:
covers - introduction; mainframe; array variables; tape;strings;
advanced programming; general I/O; HP-IB;9872 Plotter;9885 Floppy Disk;
Matrix Rom.
Also found some old IBM clear/blue reel tape covers and a few punch
cards.
Not 10 years old yet but yesterday at the thrift I picked up a Compaq
Armada 7770DMT ( 233MHZ) laptop for $14.99. It was missing the
powercord and CD-ROM drive. I was able to find a cord today but cost
$20 at the second store I stopped at. I got it and so far the machines
seems to work fine. I'm waiting to see if it will hold a charge.
FWIW, all the PPT I have & have used is/was blank, and the perforators
punched the feed hole along with the data.
However, I also have some edge-punched cards, which use the same perfs
& readers as PPT, and these ARE pre-punched, presumably to avoid
long-term drift across cards. However, IIRC, the perforator does not punch
the feed hole when it senses a card instead of tape. So, technically no
problem either way, although re-punching an existing hole is not
usually a good idea.
For the curious, EPCs (not to be confused with the tiny 96 col cards which also have
binary round holes) are similar to 80 col TAB cards but are continuous, connected
with perforations at the ends and stacked accordion-style. They go through
the PPT perforator just like PPT, getting punched along the edge, and are
subsequently separated and used like other punched cards.
Sounds like you're embarking on an ambitious project; I think you'd need
some massive solenoids. The way it's usually done is to drive the punch pins
with a motor-driven cam and the solenoid interposers only select which pins are driven.
I've still got some punches & parts if you're interested; threw some of it out
since no one seemed interested (except Steve, who understandably
couldn't wait :), and it seemed like more hassle than it was worth, but I think
there's still some stuff in the pile that'll be a lot easier to work with than building
a perforator from scratch, either complete units or punch blocks/dies.
Mind you, if you enjoy that sort of challenge I wish you well!
And how about a reader (or two)?
mike
------------------------
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:36:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Bill Richman <bill_r(a)inebraska.com>
Subject: Blank Paper Tape Question
Does regular paper tape normally come with the sprocket holes pre-punched,
or does the device that punches the data holes also punch the sprocket
holes? I recently bought some "paper tape" from eBay, and it looks like
the right stuff except it's totally without holes. I don't think I've
ever seen "virgin" tape before, but I had the idea that the sprocket holes
down the middle came with the tape. I'm kicking around trying to build my
own tape punch, since I have been unsuccessful at scrounging or buying one
so far. I picked up some stainless steel flat and some rod of the
appropriate diameter for the holes today, along with some solenoids for
actuating said rods. I'm thinking of machining the stainless to make my
own punch, but the lack of sprocket holes on the new tape has me confused.
Do I need to add another solenoid and pin to punch a smaller hole for the
sprocket, or did I just buy some odd-ball tape?
I was looking through my DEC tapes to see what VAX, if any, were
there. I found most tapes clearly marked RISC, and none marked VAX.
I did find a couple tapes, early versions of Ultrix. They were not
marked as for VAX or otherwise, but were dated around 1987 or 1988.
So the question is when did the RISC series of processors come into
use, and are these 'unmarked' tapes likely for VAX?
TIA
Mike Thompson
As an example, I use to work on some navigational
transmitters with power output of a few hundred watts.
There was a test jack for sampling the RF output and you
hooked a scope to the jack. The gotcha was when you
hooked the coax cable to the transmitter first instead of
the scope. If you did that, the transmitter went down
within seconds.
This is rot! On a transmitter with even a few watts output the
RF probe coupling would be -10dB or more, so even an open
or short on this would give a return of -20dB. This is so
small it can be ignored, in fact many antenna systems aren't
that good.
As a termination a scope is a very poor match for any low Z
RF source it's impedance being 1Mohm or more so it
wouldn't matter if you plugged it in or not. Also most test
gear can't absorb any ammount of watts for any length of
time, so if the port was a high power snif it would have to be
terminated at the port with a high power attenuator which
gives a good match regardless of it's terminating Z.
The open circuit at the other end of the coax got
reflected back to the transmitter as a low
impedance and detuned it, and the monitoring circuits
would detect the detuning and pull the plug.
This depends entirely on the wavelength length of the
coax. Did you use an exact odd multiple of 1/4 wavelength
coax every time?
can you remember the make/model of these transmitters?
Lee.
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Hello all!
I'd like to get in contact with anyone that has access to a DECstation
3100 with Ultrix. My problem is that I have a Cranfield DECstation which
was built to run in a NFS environment. I've rebuilt the network scripts
&c to get it to boot 'multiuser', but as it's missing the whole of /usr
and refuses to present me with a login prompt (good thing really - lack
of usr means I cannot change passwords anyway).
I would really appreciate it if you have a working copy you could
tarball /usr for me or point me towards somewhere with a publicly
accessible archive...?
TIA
Alex
> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:36:13 -0600 (CST)
> From: Bill Richman <bill_r(a)inebraska.com>
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Blank Paper Tape Question
>
> Does regular paper tape normally come with the sprocket holes pre-punched,
> or does the device that punches the data holes also punch the sprocket
> holes? I recently bought some "paper tape" from eBay, and it looks like
> the right stuff except it's totally without holes. I don't think I've
> ever seen "virgin" tape before, but I had the idea that the sprocket holes
> down the middle came with the tape. I'm kicking around trying to build my
> own tape punch, since I have been unsuccessful at scrounging or buying one
> so far. I picked up some stainless steel flat and some rod of the
> appropriate diameter for the holes today, along with some solenoids for
> actuating said rods. I'm thinking of machining the stainless to make my
> own punch, but the lack of sprocket holes on the new tape has me confused.
> Do I need to add another solenoid and pin to punch a smaller hole for the
> sprocket, or did I just buy some odd-ball tape?
That's the way it is. The sprocket hole gets punched along with all
the data holes. Even the TTY33-ASR did it that way.
Otherwise you would have a tough alignment problem between the data and
the "timing track".
carl
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clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu
An IBM 3840 Tape System just came in recently at Purdue University Salvage
and Surplus. The guy that works there (Don) said he would try and figure
out a price for it. The system includes:
1) 1x3840 A22 controller
2) 2x3840 B22 dual-tape drive
3) 1x3840 B22 dual-tape drive with autochanger.
The item was in 'unknown status', but appeared to be complete. I've asked
him to hold off on scrapping the system until at least next Tuesday. If
you're interested, contact me off list, and I'll try to see what he'll
want for it(you can make an offer for him). Currently, I don't have any
way to move it or store it (more than a couple days in my apartment that
is) so the pickup would either have to be by Tuesday by you or I'd have to
rent a truck to move it to my place for temporary storage (which I'd ask
$20+truck charges for).
If no-one's interested by next Tuesday, I'll tell him to go ahead and
scrap it, so make up your minds soon...
I'll post a price for it as soon as I find one out.
-- Pat
In a message dated 3/8/02 1:20:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com writes:
>
>
> What's an iPSC?
Isn't that the first intel Parallel Super? Computer. I think I still have
some cards for that, with multiple 82586 ethernet coprocessors on a Multibus
II card.
I have always wanted one of those. The closest I ever got was an empty tower
and bunches of cards, and that was 10 years ago.
Paxton
Astoria, OR
> > > M9047 Grant card
> >
> > What ever you do, don't let this card out of your sight.
>
> No kidding. I think I've seen three Qbus grant cards in my life.
What I find amusing is the stack of them I got out of a PDP-11 that was
controlling a Cameca Microprobe. They'd already disassmebled everything by
the time I got the stuff, but they must have had a blank card in every slot!
The interesting thing is they'd made they're own grant cards out of Q-Bus
prototyping cards!
Zane
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002; Julius Sridhar <vance(a)ikickass.org> wrote:
> Hi people. I have a Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 900u (nowhere near on-topic
> but I figure people here might know better what causes this kind of
> problem). If I provide it with a sync-on-green signal to its BNC
> connectors (It has five, I connect three), the monitor syncs up just fine,
> but all the areas that are black show up with a green cast. The white
> areas show up just fine. I haven't looked at an image with color yet, but
> I would guess that all the colors would probably be shifted towards the
> green. Any ideas?
I use to see this often during my tour as a television studio engineer.
It all came down to one word: TERMINATION. I had forgot to terminate
the video cables going into a monitor, or disconnected the monitor at
the end of a chain.
We all know to terminate the SCSI bus, and the other day there was a
discussion of terminating the floppy cable as part of Dave Jenner's
thread on multiple floppies. We also need to remember that any time
you run a signal down any wire from point A to point B, it needs to
be terminated in its characteristic impedance. If it isn't, some
bad things can happen. As an example, I use to work on some
navigational transmitters with power output of a few hundred watts.
There was a test jack for sampling the RF output and you hooked
a scope to the jack. The gotcha was when you hooked the coax cable to
the transmitter first instead of the scope. If you did that, the
transmitter went down within seconds. The open circuit at the other
end of the coax got reflected back to the transmitter as a low
impedance and detuned it, and the monitoring circuits would detect
the detuning and pull the plug.
On the back of my Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 20 there is a switch next
to each BNC, used to terminate each input. If the monitor does not
provide terminate switches, you can always try BNC T connectors
and 75 ohm terminators.
In a later message, Julius Sridhar <vance(a)ikickass.org> also wrote:
> Never mind. The Clamp pulse setting was in the wrong position.
I am curious to know if your monitor has termination switches. If
so, how about setting the clamp pulse back to what it was and then
terminating the inputs. If not, do you have the T's and terminators
to try it that way. I would be interested to know the results.
Mike
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002; Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> scribbled:
> Just got home with my brand-spanking-old MVII...
All right now!
> It's indecently clean inside...
Don't you just hate it when that happens. You miss out on the fun
of blowing the dust out and having go everywhere.
> M9047 Grant card
What ever you do, don't let this card out of your sight.
I once rescued a good quantity of uVAX II boards. Most of them went
to list members, but what to do with the big stack of M9047's. One nearby
DEC reseller gave me the number of another reseller out in California
who was desperate for them. For a mess of M9047's, I got a some
DEC badged drives of the RZ2x variety. Who'd thunk it?
> Anybody have 2 breakout boxes for the M3107, and no M3107? We could
> equalize.... For that matter, if anybody needs the card, I'll just
> share.
When I finally got tired of all the uVAX II stuff around here, I sent it
to several list members for postage. It was the odds & ends stuff and
included some of the breakout boxes. So there are list members with
several of these in their stash. Just gotta get 'em to 'fess up.
Mike
I don't know about the other carriers, but I'm here to tell
you that RoadRunner (at least, it's incarnation here in Kansas)
really, truly, sucks ass:
1. They charge for basic cable in addition to my network
connection, even though I don't use the cable TV part.
2. ftp & http access to machines I have attached to the network
is *blocked* ( can get in via TELNET; whoop, whoop).
3. Their NNTP (net news) service sucks
4. They're going to raise my rates *again*.
5. The speed is no where nearly as fast as it used to be.
I'd go DSL but SBC doesn't have DSL in my neighborhood.
Damn.
Jeff
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:36:41 -0600 Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com>
writes:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan Wright [mailto:dtwright@uiuc.edu]
>
> > I was just switched from @Home to my local cable company's
> (insight
> > communications) network, and it's actual been more stable and
> > reliable then it
> > was before. @Home kind of sucked, but I've been happy with
> > insight's service,
> > at least so far -- it's been about a month...
>
> Ok, so how much does Insight cost? Will they panic if I tell them I
> don't have windows, and no, it's not a Macintosh either? ;)
>
> Do they require you to buy cable service too, or can you get the
> network hookup separately?
>
> I have been considering switching to cable off and on, myself.
>
> Chris
>
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> Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:10:00 -0600 (CST)
> From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com>
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: OpenSTEP for VMS
> In-Reply-To: <200203052244.g25Mii717665(a)shell1.aracnet.com>
> Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
>
> On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Zane H. Healy wrote:
>
> > First I've heard of it. It primarily ran on NeXT hardware (of course), x86
> > systems, and had limited support for HP and Sparc. I've *never* heard VMS
> > mentioned as having any sort of an OPENSTEP environment.
>
> We are talking about OpenSTEP, right? Not NeXTSTEP? There has
> been a port of OpenSTEP to XFree86 for long and long.
You mean, of course, a port of NeXTstep to Intel x86 hardware.
Starting with NeXTstep 3.1 (circa 1991) and following with NeXTstep
3.2, 3.3. And OpenStep 4.1 and 4.2.
carl
--
carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego
clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu
> The item referred to above is as follows:
>
> "In 1999, USC neurobiologist Joseph Miller asked NASA to check some old data
> the Viking probes had sent back from Mars in the mid-1970s. Miller wanted
to
> find out whether certain information on gas released by Martian soil, which
> at the time had been dismissed as meaningless "chemical activity," was
> actually evidence of microbial life. NASA found the tapes he requested, but
> they didn't find any way to read them. It turns out that the data, despite
> being only about 25 years old, was in a format NASA had long since
forgotten
> about. Or, as Miller puts it, "The programmers who knew it had died."
What this really meant was that some manager at NASA who
was in the position of responsibility for these tapes
didn't have the staff or budget to deal with them.
A purely political issue, and not a technical one at all.
I used be one of NASA's biggest supporters, and my dream was
to work there some day. Year by year, my opinion of them has
decayed until we get to how they dealt with the Delta Clipper.
I've read the reports, and I'm convinced they deliberately
crashed it because it was in comptetition for funds for their
pet project, the venturestar (X-33). Which is now dead because
they can't figure out how to make hydrogen tanks for the linear
aerospike engine (very cool technology from Project Sun in the
1950s) that won't leak...
-dq
p.s. Revive the Delta Clipper!
CMOS = Complex _Megalithic_ Object Structures
The builders of Stonehenge used CMOS, while the builders of Woodhenge (near
Stonehenge), and some possibly similar (in function) structures at Cahokia,
in East St. Louis, Illinois, used TTL. ;-)
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Franchuk [mailto:bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca]
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 1:14 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Seen on RISKS-L
<snip>
BTW The Stonehenge circle is believed by some to be early calculator
( priest powered ) for calculating the major events of the seasons ,
stars ,
sun and moon cycles. Stonehenge era designers used a lot of
TTL ( timber^2 logic) rather than CMOS ( Complex Mon-Olithic Structures)
in the design.
--
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www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
Thanks, Bill!
Just got home with my brand-spanking-old MVII and set about playing
with it. It's indecently clean inside, cables all in good shape, fans
all free and clean, cards well seated.
I even managed to get them all back in properly, in order, and the
cables connected right.
So let me see if I got this right, as this is the first working QBus
system I've gotten:
Boards, in order:
M7606-AF MV-II CPU (KA630-A) w/1M RAM & serial console line
M7608-BP 4M RAM card for KA630
M7609-AH 8M parity RAM " "
M7504 DEQNA ethernet
M7546 TQK50 tape controller
M9047 Grant card
M8053 DMV11 Serial controller
M3104 DHV11 8-port async serial DMA mux
2x M3107 DHQ11 " " " " "
Storage:
2x RD53-A 70M Micropolis 1325
RD54 190M Maxtor XT-2190
TK50 95M CompacTape drive
This means I would, if I had the distribution hardware for the DHQ11s,
have 25 serial interfaces? (plus console) What exactly is the DMV11?
"Synchronous communications controller" sounds like it requires a DMV11
on the other end as well.
Everything VMS I've looked at says the DEQNA is unsupported in VMS
>v5.2. Is that unsupported as in "don't call DEC/Compaq/HP", or
unsupported as in "it don't work"? Am I stuck with NetBSD then? Does
anyone know if NBSD will mop-boot over the DEQNA? I don't have VMS
older than 6.2.
Anybody have 2 breakout boxes for the M3107, and no M3107? We could
equalize.... For that matter, if anybody needs the card, I'll just
share.
Oh yeah. It boots. VMS 5.2, but it's looking for the rest of a
cluster, and apparently a lot of its filespace was remote. Bummer.
Other than that, and the fact that I can't get it upstairs, it's a cool
"little" box.
You know you're over the edge when the lack of ethernet access in your
garage is a problem.
Doc
Thanks everyone.
The two Pros are claimed.
In the future there may be other hardware but, not alot.
I'm not getting out it's more a selection process as I
with to run more of the peices and that takes space.
Allison
> Subject: Re: OpenSTEP for VMS
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:44:44 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
> In-Reply-To: <no.id> from "Christopher Smith" at Mar 05, 2002 04:33:20 PM
> Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
>
> > I have heard that OpenSTEP ran on VMS (Alpha) at one point.
> >
> > Having never heard of, nor seen this, I am curious, and would
> > like to acquire a copy of this miraculous thing to run at home
> > (on a hopefully soon-to-be-had DEC 3000, using the VMS hobbyist
> > license...)
> >
> > Does anyone have any idea where to get it?
> >
> > Chris
>
> First I've heard of it. It primarily ran on NeXT hardware (of course), x86
> systems, and had limited support for HP and Sparc. I've *never* heard VMS
> mentioned as having any sort of an OPENSTEP environment.
There was a time when some Alpha AXP enthusiasts who, I believe, worked
for a European subsidiary of DEC, started to port NeXTstep to the Alpha
hardware. To us NeXT fans, this seemed too good to be true, and mostly
that's how it ended up. Unsupported, unloved, and unfinished.
carl
--
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clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu
From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com>
>
>That is more or less what I said, I think. :) I didn't mean that
>they didn't work at all, just that they'd had a lot of problems
>with them (so I hear), and replaced them because of it.
Actually the DEQNA was a burr in the VMS bottom since V4.2
or before. It wasn't a problem of getting 5.xx to work with it
but rather a matter of finally saying time to retire the turkey.
Likely 5.5 will work with it.
>Tried 5.5? I have that version, so it would be interesting to know.
Nope, dont have a copy. Did try 7.2 and it seems to work.
Allison
No problem; if someone else hasn't already fixed you (Rich & Ethan) up,
I can dig out the ROM images or (if I can't find the disks) recreate them.
Write me off-list and, if still required, what format (Intel/Mot/bin?).
Just to make sure yours are correctly installed, the last 2 digits of the ROM
specify the location, so the BASIC ROMs are R3225 & R3226 and
should be inserted in sockets Z25 & Z26 respectively (Cxxx & Bxxx address blocks).
And the monitor is in Z22&Z23 (R3222 & R3223), but sounds like it's OK.
As Tony mentions elsewhere the 2332's could be mask-programmed various ways,
and later model AIM65s had jumpers to select 2732/2532, but the AIM65 ROMs
are 2532 pinout; 2732's would need a couple of pins exchanged unless you have one
of the later AIMs (I assume yours is the 1K/4K version)..
At least two different types of keyboards were used, but nothing special about either.
I have a few brand new ones left if you need one (Don't worry, Jeff, one still has
your name on it :). Might also still have some manual sets as soon as I figure out
who's getting what, and several spare AIMs for parts.
mike
---------------------Original Message----------------------
>Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:41:02
From: "Rich Beaudry" <r_beaudry(a)hotmail.com>
Subject: AIM-65 Questions
Hello all,
I recently completed a trade for an AIM-65 that is about 80-90% working, but
needs a little TLC. Hopefully someone here can help....
It appears to have the BASIC ROMs installed, and in the right sockets, but
pressing "5" on the keyboard only results in the "<5>" display, and then the
AIM hangs up. Only a press of the Reset button will free it up. I suspect
the ROMs may be flaky, since one had quite a bit of (for lack of a better
word) gunk on the tops of the pins. I cleanied it all off, but there may be
some internal damage. These ROMs are part number 2332. I suspect these are
2732-compatible, at least in read mode, and not program mode... Does anyone
have a ROM dump in Hex format? If so, could you email it to me so I can
burn new ones?
Actually, while I'm at it, if anyone has ANY of the AIM-65 ROMs dumped in
Hex format, I'd appreciate copies. Then I could burn a whole new set...
Also, the keyboard needs cleaning pretty badly. Unfortunately, I do not
remember the manufacturer name or model #, but it is the standard AIM-65
keyboard. Has anyone ever fully taken one apart to clean it? If so, any
gotchas?
Thanks!
Rich B.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@cfl.rr.com]
> Does anyone have a manual for one of these? I bought one
> for $1 and now
> I know why. The 5V PS was putting out about 20 volts! I've
Wow, they "upgraded" the power supply... that's a good deal ;)
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> Does anyone have documentation or software for the Intel iPSC/1, TI
> Explorer II or Symbolics 3620 that they'd be willing to share?
TI Explorer docs can be found at http://www.unlambda.com/lispm/explorer-docs/
As I mentioned a few weeks ago, he's trying to locate an original Explorer.
--
Check with Paul Pierce re iPSC/1's
I'm going to claim this is on topic since it's for my
SPARCStation2 which is 10 years old.
To make a (semi-)long story short, I've come to the
conclusion that I need a SCSI1 to SCSI3 adapter with
high byte termination to connect a wide IBM SCSI drive
to the narrow SCSI controller in my SS2. The only
IDC50M to MD68M adapter I've found doesn't have the
termination. There's a nice little adapter out there
but it's got female connectors on both ends. I could
try to assemble something with gender changers, but
I'm afraid I'd end up spending more than I did on
the drive for a Frankenstien that I'm not even sure
would work.
So my question is, does anyone know where to find an
adapter with male connectors? Or, for that matter,
has anyone dealt with this sort of thing and have
a better suggestion?
Thanks in advance,
Brian L. Stuart
>then took the extra time messing
>with the control marks along the edge.
>
>I don't know if the changed control marks had anything to do
>with it, but we never got the results back.
I've heard (but never been able to test), that if you rub chapstick, or
similar semi reflective goo, along the control lines of a ScanTron form,
that it can't track where to check for an answer. Supposedly if this is
done for exams (or similar right/wrong scoreing items), it will fail to
see any answers, and thus not consider any wrong, so it will think
everything is correct, giving you a perfect score.
Now, I openly believe that something like chapstick can keep it from
tracking where to look for an answer, but I find it harder to believe
that ScanTron has their systems set to assume everything is correct, and
only deduct those it finds wrong (seems like a setup like that would be
way to easy to bypass... so I would think they would assume a score of
Zero, and add up the right answers instead).
Anyone have a ScanTron system they can try it on.... I have always
wondered if it was true, or just one of those school age rumors.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Can anyone help this guy?
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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:38:36 -0800
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To: vcf(a)vintage.org
Subject: cdc 9766 disk drive
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> > Too bad you didn't go to my high school, 1980-1982...
>
> I graduated in 1982.
Ah, same time frame I was working for the schools
(having graduated in 1975).
> We didn't have any fancy scanners for scoring tests, our
> teachers had to do that by hand. We did have a lot of the
> scanned tests for standardized testing and such, but of
> course those all were sent off for scoring.
Indiana has had a strong committment to education
during most of my life. We insitiuted a state-wide
system for tracking student progress in basic skills
beginning in 1980, and we did a good job, but failed
to pilot the system; if you think you know something
about what sysadmins call "lusers", imagine a group
of people who talk all day to 2nd graders then you
have to explain a command-driven interface to them...
...to make a long story short, basic skills testing
got bad press from teachers in Indiana, even before
the parents started getting a more accurate idea of
how their kids were actually performing.
-dq
> Anyone have a ScanTron system they can try it on.... I have always
> wondered if it was true, or just one of those school age rumors.
Thanks, Chris.... ScanTron was the small unit we had, and
now I remember writing a suite of code at RETS to drive
another one, this time, in BASIC and COBOL...
The big scanner we had was a NCS Sentry , but can't recall
the model number...
-dq
Well, I dug it out and brought it home. I am willing to part it out.
What I have is a 9845B with no monitor, interfaces, paper cover, Roms or Rom
Carts. It does have it's tape drives and a good keyboard
I am willing to sell or trade parts. I saved it mainly to see what it looks
like inside. I have wanted to take it apart for years.
I used to have several and kept this for parts. Now this is the only one I
have left, sniff.
Please contact me off list at
whoagiii(a)aol.com
I will ship parts internationally.
Thanks,
Paxton
Astoria, OR 97103
USA
> That reminds me of the time in High School when they had all
> of us in the 12th grade fill out this scanned form asking
> all sorts of information I didn't think they needed. The form
> was the type filled out with a #2 pencil and optically scanned.
> I filled mine out (more or less correct, leaving answers I
> didn't want to give blank), then took the extra time messing
> with the control marks along the edge.
>
> I don't know if the changed control marks had anything to do
> with it, but we never got the results back.
Too bad you didn't go to my high school, 1980-1982...
We had two such scanners- a little one that you fed a master
into that had "the answers" and then subsequently the student
answer forms, and it checked and marked them directly.
Then we had a monster that was also programmable, but wrote
out a 9-track tape that we'd load onto the Kennedy on the Prime...
but IIRC, we could not get it to deal with the multiple marks.
So I had to write a PL/I program that would always mark
wrong any question with multiple answers.
;)
> Christopher Smith wrote:
>
>> From: Doc Shipley [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com]
>> Everything VMS I've looked at says the DEQNA is unsupported in
VMS
>> >v5.2. Is that unsupported as in "don't call DEC/Compaq/HP", or
>> unsupported as in "it don't work"? Am I stuck with NetBSD then?
Does
>> anyone know if NBSD will mop-boot over the DEQNA? I don't have
VMS
>> older than 6.2.
>
>ISTR that's correct, and that's unsupported as in "We never could
get it
>to work right, so you're on your own..." The suggested solution
I've
>seen is to replace it with a DELQA board. :)
The warnings about "we'll soon de-support the DEQNA"
started in release notes round about 1987. It lasted
for at least another five years.
Ethernet drivers used to use an interface called FFI
- allegedly Flaming Fast Interface but that was presumably
just for management consumption :-)
Round about V5.4[-x] or V5.5[-x] this interface
was replaced with a new shinier one (whose
name I've either forgotten or never knew) and
at that point the DEQNA was stated to have stopped
working. I never actually tested this, but the DECnet
folks (in whose group I was working) told me
it just plain would not work - by design.
The DEQNA was DEC's first Qbus ethernet interface
and was IIRC basically a LANCE chip on a Qbus card,
the LANCE chip being essentially a DEUNA-in-a-chip.
The DEUNA was DEC's first ethernet interface.
The DELQA was the result of what they learned
from that experience. The Turbo-DELQA was a ROM
upgrade that improved performance further.
Antonio
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allison [mailto:ajp166@bellatlantic.net]
> >ISTR that's correct, and that's unsupported as in "We never
> could get it
> >to work right, so you're on your own..." The suggested
> solution I've
> >seen is to replace it with a DELQA board. :)
> Wrong! Unsupported means don't call if it don't work. It
That is more or less what I said, I think. :) I didn't mean that
they didn't work at all, just that they'd had a lot of problems
with them (so I hear), and replaced them because of it.
> does not mean
> it will not work. It does work and if the DEQNA is working
> as it should
> (some dont) with few problems. It was done to retire the DEQNA as a
> then very old design that was replaced by the better, lower
> cost DELQA.
> You can get away with a DEQNA as late as 5.4-4, I'm running one!
Tried 5.5? I have that version, so it would be interesting to know.
Chris
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chad Fernandez [mailto:fernande@internet1.net]
> I have one friend that refers to me as owning a Univax.
If you own _one_ VAX, it may be more proper -- UniVAX, as
opposed to a VAXCluster. :)
Chris
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>
> Some detective work revealed the source of the errors.
> The dye used in the blue punch cards was slightly hygroscopic.
> The absorbed water made all the blue cards slightly longer than
> the rest, just long enough to throw off the reader.
>
Years ago, in the book "Steal this Book", Abbie Hoffman
suggested that anytime you end up with a punch card, in
order to be a troublemaker, soak the card in some solution
that, once the card is dried, has cause it to shrink
uniformly so that it will jam the reader.
As you can see, he wasn't much of a "fan" of "the system".
-dq
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric J. Korpela [mailto:korpela@ssl.berkeley.edu]
> Sent: 07 March 2002 18:24
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Seen on RISKS-L
>
> >The BBC's 1986 Domesday Project (a time capsule containing
> sound, images,
> >video and data defining life in Britain) is now unreadable.
> The data was
> >stored on 12-inch video discs that were only readable by the
> BBC Micro, of
> >which only a handful still exist. The time capsule contains
What horse crap (as we all know)! Typical bloody uk journalists who can't be
arsed to research a story properly. If they want to see if it's *really*
still unreadable give the disks to me and I'll use them in my own Domesday
machine, based on one of those *wow*r@re* BBC Micros.
Or do they mean the discs themselves aren't readable anymore, regardless of
whether you've got a Domesday machine or not?
a
>PS. Does anybody know of a source of datasheets (PDF) online for
the the
>really old chips like RTL,DTL,74Hxx,74Lxx? You still can find the
chips
>but not the data.
freetradezone is (effectively) gone now but
I guess they would have had all this stuff.
For TTL, I managed to get some CDs
direct from TI:
"Logic Selection Guide and Databook"
"Designer's Guide and Databook"
One or other of these has the TTL stuff.
I did this a few years ago when I went to
their website, found the technical literature
section, clicked on the ones I wanted
and filled in my employer's address.
CDs turned up in the post, free, about
two weeks later.
Same thing worked for the Intel Developer
CDs - these turned up quarterly for a while.
I cannot find the sign up section anymore so
I guess they've stopped (or they are somewhat
more selective ...!)
Motorola, Amtel, AMD and Cypress have
all sent CDs too.
It does save downloading and it certainly saves
a good deal of space on the shelves too!
Antonio
From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Doc Shipley [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com]
>
>> Everything VMS I've looked at says the DEQNA is unsupported in VMS
>> >v5.2. Is that unsupported as in "don't call DEC/Compaq/HP", or
>> unsupported as in "it don't work"? Am I stuck with NetBSD then? Does
>> anyone know if NBSD will mop-boot over the DEQNA? I don't have VMS
>> older than 6.2.
>
>ISTR that's correct, and that's unsupported as in "We never could get it
>to work right, so you're on your own..." The suggested solution I've
>seen is to replace it with a DELQA board. :)
Wrong! Unsupported means don't call if it don't work. It does not mean
it will not work. It does work and if the DEQNA is working as it should
(some dont) with few problems. It was done to retire the DEQNA as a
then very old design that was replaced by the better, lower cost DELQA.
You can get away with a DEQNA as late as 5.4-4, I'm running one!
I was a digit then, and it was significant to my projects so I was in
the loop as it were.
Allison
> On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Douglas Quebbeman wrote:
> > Years ago, in the book "Steal this Book", Abbie Hoffman
> > suggested that anytime you end up with a punch card, in
> > order to be a troublemaker, soak the card in some solution
> > that, once the card is dried, has cause it to shrink
> > uniformly so that it will jam the reader.
> > As you can see, he wasn't much of a "fan" of "the system".
>
> Why not just punch some extra holes in it?
> /* was quite useful with 360 JCL
Hmmm... that sounds familiar, he may have
suggested that as an alternative method,
using a razor blade... he'd have been
pretty clueless about a keypunch, I think
(although he started as a suit-and-tie guy).
-dq
> -----Original Message-----
> From: R. D. Davis [mailto:rdd@rddavis.org]
> Don't you mean a MultiVAX? :-) :-) :-)
Maybe the dual-cpu VAX-11 configuration could be considered a
MultiVAX?
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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> On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Dan Wright wrote:
>
> > how about this: whoever's giving away the equipment can do it in whatever
way
> > they damn well please? it's their stuff, after all... sheesh.
>
> Finally, some sense!
Agreed. We associate here my mutual choice, and we haven;t
chose to create a communal organizational structure (and
a commune simply won'y work with most groupings of people[0])
[0] ObCommFactoid: not slamming communes, but having lived
in one for nine months, I can tell you it takes a
special group of people to make it work, and we weren't
sufficiently special..
Interesting one here...
While composing a reply in Outlook 2001 (on a Mac OSX 10.1.2), I wrote
'PayPal'. Since I have the program check spelling before sending :-) it came
up and thought I meant to write 'payola' instead of PayPal. Think M$ is
trying to say something?
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Sellam said:
>...governments want to try to control the
>content, for various political and social reasons (political dissent,
>porn, etc.) As we all know, try as they might, they won't be able to
>control it, ....
There is a scary article in last week's Weekly Standard that makes
this a more shaky proposition. Basically the contention in the article is
that the internet in China effectively *has* been placed under the control
of the Chinese government. The key technology there has been developed by
Cisco, AT&T, and other telecom giants given suitable financial inducement
by the chinese government, and as I understood the article, it involves
putting firewalls around the entire country, with enough power to sniff
packets for subversive terms to effectively render the internet unusable to
elements unfriendly to the government.
The article does hold out hope, based on cryptography, "pirate"
links from Hong Kong, etc.
Anyway, I'm not currently convinced that internet access is
currently synonomous with freedom of information exchange.
- Mark