- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I think this one just squeaks by the 10-year rule... Today I visited the high school I used to go to, and walked out with an Amiga 2000 with a Video Toaster. (Yes, I legally walked out with it...) Anyhow, I've got the thing 'seemingly' working, but the manual for the Toaster says that it either needs an RGB monitor connected or a terminator on the RGB port. Does anyone here know of a source of cables for this thing (I'm a tad low on 23pin dsub connectors) or a pair of connectors so I can connect my A1084S up to it? For now I'm using the monochrome NTSC output from the computer, but I would like to have a color display (and a properly functioning Toaster). -- Pat

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Altos 580

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

I've been looking for info on an Altos 580. It's pretty thin. The little I've found shows the db25 connectors as rs232s, and mentions terminals. Does that mean I can get a console on my trusty MicroTerm? If not, are there any peripherals anywhere? Display, keyboard, an OS maybe? Doc

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OT: name that computer

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Oops...that was supposed to be for Sellam directly. -----Original Message----- From: Cini, Richard [mailto:RCini@congressfinancial.com] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 12:33 PM To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' Subject: RE: OT: name that computer Sellam: Are you planning for VCFE 2.0? Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:49 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: OT: name that computer On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Chad Fernandez wrote: > I'm not that old :-) > > Of course the 50's had there problems too, but they are generally > portrayed as being quite wholesome. I wasn't around, but I suspect they > were. It was probably backlash from WW2. As long as people continue to age, there will always result a large population of curmudgeons who will lament their perception that "things were better in my day". Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Geometric Array Processor board

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Does anyone know much about these? I picked up TWO of these cards today and each one has 144 NCR45CG72 ICs on it. It looks ike EACH IC has 72 microproccesors in it. That makes a total of 20,736 processors!!! Here's a bit that I found while searching the net. IN FACT, these may be the exact cards that this guy is referring to since much of the stuff that I find does orginate at MMC. Joe 9. Geometric Arithmatic Parallel Processor {GAPP}, a real time vision recognition, dynamically partitionable, dynamically fault reconfigurable, array processor (SIMD) for Martin Marietta in Orlando. Each IC contained 72 microprocessors, composed of a single TCU and multiple ALU-register sets. Array grows in X and Y dimensions to match a required image array of pixels matrix, and decimates in time to allow fault reconfiguration and price/performance options. First successful SIMD VLSI. First successful real time image recognition. Responsibility included addition to instruction set {If then, case, etc based on if any, if all, if none}, redesign for performance enhancement, and design of fault reconfiguration switching at internal IC level and external array coordination. Non-classified version is the 45CG72 from NCR.

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HP LJ 2 mobo -> Apple LW 2 NT

by mythtech＠mac.com

>So, to fit the HP formatter board into the Apple chassis, you need to >replace the base tray (so as to provide the font slots), the connectors >on the DC controller board (or maybe just swap the entire board :-(), the >control panel (no way will the HP board drive the Apple LED panel), and >thus part of the outer casing as well. It's possible, but why bother. Yeah really... at that point I might as well either yank the good pickup rollers from the Apple, or for $30 just buy another set. >It would be simpler to swap over the rollers (or the complete pickup >shaft assembly). Those parts are _identical_ between the 2 printers. > >Take off the outer casing at the top (lots of screws, then unplug the >cable to the status LEDs or control panel). Yeah, I have done this repair on my Apple LW IINT once before... I will most likey buy another kit for the HP when the fuser on it dies (it has a nasty scar across it, and is starting to peel... it is still printing fine with no adverse marks, but I suspect in a few months of decent use, that will stop being the case) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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HP LJ 2 mobo -> Apple LW 2 NT

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Whoa.... well, think of this as whole as a learning experience... an >expensive one, but a learning experience nonetheless :-) Well.. it really isn't too expensive... the printer only cost me $20 cash, and about an hour of my time... and the bonus is, by the time I left, I found an employee that could really use a PC printer right in their office, so they are getting the HP later this week. So in the end all worked out well. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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ID these TRW ICs

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Does anyone have a good way to identify ICs made by TRW? I've searched the net and found almost nothing. I'd like to id the LSICs shown in this picture <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/trw/ics.jpg>. The smaller ones are marked TRW 8429/AC 1016J5C8 and the bigger one is marked TRW TD1007J1. The big one is very impressive looking (the pictures don't do it justice). Not only due to it's size but it also has gold leads and a black anodized heatsink with gold lettering epoxied(?) to the top of it and it just looks impressive. These are on a Multibus card that was part of the same system that had the Geometric Array Processors. I think this may have been part of the I/O subsystem that passed data to and from the GAPP. Joe

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HP LJ 2 mobo -> Apple LW 2 NT

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Will the HPLJ2 board fit into the slot underneath the LW2NT? >Does it have the same connector? Humm... I didn't get that far as actually pulling the board. Although, this whole printer has been one slap my head experience. I had a printer die that was hooked up to an NT box to act as a network print spooler (well, actually, the printer works fine, but it needs a new drum and developer kit $200 for the pair, and that isn't worth it for this printer). So I bought the HP from the local salvation army store for $20. When I tried to use it, it was failing to pickup the paper... a new pickup kit is $30 (well worth it for the HP LJ2). But since I had the unused working Apple LW IINT, I figured I could just swap the mobo so I can use the parallel interface to reconnect to my NT spooler. Well... head slap #1... I don't need to replace the pickup rollers... I just needed to clean them, and use a little rubber rejuvenator... now it picks up like a charm. So I do the swap, get it all hooked up to my NT spooler, get everything working... and head into the office of the only computer that matters about printing to it... to find head slap #2... I changed the PC to a Mac last week and totally forgot.... that means I could have just used my Apple LW IINT with a quick and dirty LocalTalk connection! I didn't need to go thru all this buying and fixing and testing of the HP after all! (For the handful of PCs that also print to the printer, I can let them use the NT spooler over a serial connection, and just deal with the painfully slow print speed... the others only print 5 or 6 times a year anyway). So now, later this week... I will change the printer AGAIN, and go to the Apple LW IINT over Localtalk (probably dedicate an old Mac with ethernet to act as a Ethernet to Localtalk bridge). But at least I have a working HP LJ 2 to use elsewhere.... now to find a legal cassette tray for it. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Free stuff in OC, CA - Franklin Ace 1000

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

Free stuff that isn't worth much! Operational Franklin Ace 1000 computer - no drives. Pick-up, or pay for delivery from Irvine, CA. Steve. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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HP series 80

by roosmcd＠dds.nl

This weekend I picked up a HP 9915A computer (rackmount HP-85) with 2 HP-IB, serial and BCD card. I've also got the manuals for the expansion cards and a manual for a HP-85. I haven't got the tapes and the keyboard. Does anyone have the pin-out for the connectors on the back? There is a keyboard and a control (=com?) port on the back, but I don't know what I should connect to those. I tried connecting a terminal to the serial card, but there wasn't any output. It gives an error message on the composite video output, so I guess the unit is working OK. And the last question, what are those unlabelled keys on the front of the unit? Are these softkeys like on other Hp equipment? thanks, Michiel

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Punch Card Humor

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I ended up with one awhile back, but it's missing the drive belts for the > rollers. I'd be happy to try that trick out if someone knows where I can > buy the belts for it. A good place to start would be http://www.ncspearson.com -dq

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WTB TU58-FX

by jhfine＠idirect.com

I have been looking for a table top TU-58 with two drives without success. Might anyone have the box for a TU58-FX which does not work, but I may then be able to find the drives separately?

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Power Series

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net] > On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Christopher Smith wrote: > > Well, on one hand, yes, but on the other hand, I like my > Indigo 2 Elan with > > no texture memory just fine. I'm also considering trying > I didn't know you had another SGI box ;) Yep. > A couple people I've known who ended up with old SGI gear thought they > were going to create some kind of fancy animations with this kind of > hardware, so I never know what to think now. Depends on what you mean by "fancy animations." It will probably do better out of the box than most new peesees depending on what you'd like to animate. (and whether it requires texture memory, of course) Both of my SGIs, for instance, have analog video in/out, which is a start. On the other hand, you can't really do a good animation with anything "out of the box." It usually takes a lot of strange stuff. The graphical prowess of the machines is still something, though. For instance, the ability of the machine to provide individual color-maps for different windows on the screen, without the nasty palette-flashing that's seen in xfree86 on an intel box (for example) when you try the same... > Sounds like you at least have an original VGX chassis then. > It is possible > someone upgraded some of the boards, but the only way you'll > be able to > tell is to pull them and cross reference the part numbers. I'm thinking about doing that. The label on top of the chassis actually says "4D/440 VGX" or something to that effect. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Toshiba 3100SX laptop

by mythtech＠mac.com

>-> It is the laptop, and a toshiba carry bag for it. There was no power >-> supply that I saw, or manuals. > >Doesn't need one. Uses standard 120vac power cord. Humm... maybe I didn't pay enough attention (I wasn't really that interested in it myself), but I could have sworn their was a port marked DC and it was a small 3 pin jack that looked alot like the old Hayes modem power jacks (squarish with the edges cut off). But maybe in my quick glance I either looked at the wrong port, or just had a brain fart at what I was looking at. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Top collectable machines

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

>Out of curiosity, how many here care whether or not the machines they >collect are considered "collectable" or "top collectable?" Isn't the >point of collecting these machines to have fun toys to play with? >Collecting was more fun, and the machines were easier to find, when >nearly everyone considered them worthless a decade or so ago. As many other have said here, I try to hang on to only those machines that I can put to use. One exception would be the various SBCs I own, but you could argue that they are useful for learning about the procerssor they host. Also, like others, nobody is really impressed by my collection. I don't do it for them, I do it for me.... My "lab" is in the finished basement of our new-to-us house (and leaking into the garage). The previous owners left brown shag rug and paneling, so it has that nice '70's look, to match the computers! :-) One friend of my wife, whose husband works for the government, remarked upon coming down the stairs and seeing my stuff scattered about: "This looks like one of those places my husband goes into where the bust the guy for having all his kiddie porn stashed on his computers". She laughed, I didn't... :-( Rich B. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Slightly OT: 8T01 Nixie Decoder/Driver Information Needed

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

Does anyone have any information (ideally, data sheets) on the 8T01 16-pin DIP Nixie Decoder/Driver IC? I had no luck with the IC Master online or a Google search... -Bill Richman (bill_r(a)inetnebr.com) Web Page: http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r Home of the COSMAC Elf Microcomputer Simulator, Fun with Molten Metal, Orphaned Robots, and Technological Oddities.

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Toshiba 3100SX laptop

by mythtech＠mac.com

My local Salvation Army store has a Toshiba 3100SX laptop for $8.00 if anyone wants it. It is the laptop, and a toshiba carry bag for it. There was no power supply that I saw, or manuals. Also, on the back there is a spot for what looks like a modem (don't remember exactly what it said, something about phone interface though)... but other than the cover plate, whatever is supposed to be installed in that spot is missing (there is a whole in the plate, and you can see inside to where something should be). It was there as of Saturday, and they are closed on Sunday's, so it is probably still there. If someone wants it, just let me know, I'll grab it for them and ship it out. Obviously if you want it, you cover actual purchase cost ($7.99 + 6% sales tax) and shipping... I'm not interested in making money off it (but if you want to slip me a buck for picking it up, that's always nice). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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VMS: problems with INITIALIZE MUC6: (TK50)

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, this is a followup to the problem I'm having formatting a TK50 drive with a VMS filesystem, needed to create a diagnostic tape. I am on a VAX 6400 with VMS 5.4 or 7.2 (dual boot so to speak :-), nether works. I do $ INITIALIZE MUC6: ELAN When that runs the tape scrunches and spins happily until suddenly: %PBC0, Port is Reinitializing ( 45 Retries Left). Check the Error Log. %INIT-F-VOLINV, volume is not software enabled then in the error log I find what's attached below. This time, I believe the critical entry is there. Could someone help me interpreting this? I suppose it might just have a data error, but this should really not make the whole thing stop. I had several warnings when I wrote a tape with this drive on a uVAX-II with NetBSD, and it still went on writing it all. So is there an easy fix? Could it be that the TK50 tape doesn't play well with the TQK70 controller? Would it be better if I hooked the TK50 to the DEBNT, but where on the backplane rear do I connect this sort of thing and how is the IDC connector wired on the VAXBI side? thanks for helping out, -Gunther ******************************* ENTRY 3695. ******************************* ERROR SEQUENCE 157. LOGGED ON: SID 0B000006 DATE/TIME 2-MAR-2002 14:18:55.32 SYS_TYPE 02400101 SYSTEM UPTIME: 0 DAYS 00:08:56 SCS NODE: VAX/VMS V5.4 ERL$LOGMESSAGE ENTRY KA64A CPU FW REV# 6. CONSOLE FW REV# 4.0 XMI NODE # 1. I/O SUB-SYSTEM, UNIT _MUC6: MESSAGE TYPE 0002 TAPE MSCP MESSAGE MSLG$L_CMD_REF 6ADA0004 MSLG$W_UNIT 0006 UNIT #6. MSLG$W_SEQ_NUM 0000 SEQUENCE #0. MSLG$B_FORMAT 05 TAPE ERROR MSLG$B_FLAGS 41 SEQUENCE NUMBER RESET OPERATION CONTINUING MSLG$W_EVENT 0068 DATA ERROR READ DATA CHECK MSLG$Q_CNT_ID 132B0008 0342F6A1 UNIQUE IDENTIFIER, F6A1132B0008(X) TAPE CLASS DEVICE TBK70 MSLG$B_CNT_SVR 00 CONTROLLER SOFTWARE VERSION #0. 0C UNIT HARDWARE REVISION #12. MSLG$B_LEVEL 01 MSLG$B_RETRY 2C MSLG$L_GAP_CNT 00000000 GAP COUNT = 0. MSLG$B_FMTR_SVR 00 FORMATTER SOFTWARE VERSION #0. MSLG$B_FMTR_HVR 00 FORMATTER HARDWARE REVISION #0. TK70 DEVICE/CONTROLLER DEPENDENT INFORMATION DRIVE FLAGS 13 CARTRIDGE PRESENT HEAD AT TRACK ZERO POSITIONED AT BOT TRK NUMBER 00 LOGICAL TRACK NUMBER = 0. PHYSICAL BLK# 0004 PHYSICAL BLOCK NUMBER = 4. LOGICAL BLK# 00 LOGICAL BLOCK NUMBER = 0. TAPE POSITION 0100B4 TAPE POSITION = 65716. DRIVE STATE 0A0C RD/WRT STATE 2B3C OPERATION FLGS 01A2 CNTRLR STATUS 02 RECOVERED BY RETRY DRIVE ERR CODE 13 COMMUNICATIONS ERROR ****** ENTRY 3694., ERROR SEQUENCE 156. LOGGED ON SID 0B000006 ERL$LOGSTATUS ENTRY KA64A CPU FW REV# 6. CONSOLE FW REV# 4.0 XMI NODE # 1. I/O SUB-SYSTEM, UNIT _MUC6: MSLG$L_CMD_REF 6ADA0004 ORB$L_OWNER 00000000 OWNER UIC [000,000] UCB$L_CHAR 0CC44038 DIRECTORY STRUCTURED SINGLE DIRECTORY "SEQUENTIAL BLOCK" ORIENTED FILE ORIENTED AVAILABLE ERROR LOGGING ALLOCATED CAPABLE OF INPUT CAPABLE OF OUTPUT UCB$L_OPCNT 00000003 3. QIO'S THIS UNIT UCB$W_ERRCNT 0001 1. ERRORS THIS UNIT UCB$W_STS 0810 ONLINE SOFTWARE VALID CDRP$L_MEDIA 00000000 CDRP$W_FUNC 000C READ PHYSICAL BLOCK CDRP$L_BCNT 00000050 TRANSFER SIZE 80. BYTE(S) CDRP$W_BOFF 0170 368. BYTE PAGE OFFSET CDRP$L_PID 0001000D REQUESTOR "PID" CDRP$Q_IOSB 000001F4 00000000 IOSB, 0. BYTE(S) TRANSFERRED -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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990

by mhstein＠canada.com

Either of you guys want a copy of the 990 Computer Family Systems Handbook? mike -------Original Message---------- Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 22:28:17 -0500 From: "James B. DiGriz" <jbdigriz(a)dragonsweb.org> Subject: Re: 990 Merle K. Peirce wrote: > I think they are both variations of the 990/12. One may be a model 8. I > think one is a 13 slot chassis, the other a 17. > I have a /10 in a 13 slot chassis. ~512K installed, several more 192 and <snippage> __________________________________________________________ Get your FREE personalized e-mail at http://www.canada.com

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[lcolautti@libero.it: Two PDP-11 in Italy]

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Contact him directly if interested. ----- Forwarded message from Lorenzo Colautti <lcolautti(a)libero.it> ----- From: "Lorenzo Colautti" <lcolautti(a)libero.it> To: <mrbill(a)pdp11.org> Subject: Two PDP-11 in Italy Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:38:13 +0100 Hello! I have two fully-functional PDP11-45 systems, with some spare parts, documentation, tests, ecc. But in Italy I was unable to find any person or organisation interested in this. Can you help me? I don't wont throw them! Lorenzo Colautti colautti.lorenzo(a)enel.it Endesa Italia s.r.l. Monfalcone (GO) ITALY ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > a copy of 3.1. I just haven't found the hardware combo to run it. > I still don't know where I got this, but I found tarball & README. > It's AfterStep, with a title & readme touting it as "OpenSTEP for > Linux". Somebody's idea of a joke? No, somebody just probably forgot to check their facts. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Yahoo Free Listing Day on Tuesday

by marvin＠rain.org

Just a quick note to let everyone know that Yahoo is having a free listing day on Tuesday. I plan on putting a number of items there up for auction that might be of interest to listmembers, and will post the URL tomorrow.

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HP 9000 Series 200 documentation lot, almost free...

by whdawson＠localisps.net

1. 3-ring notebook containing: BASIC Programming Techniques with Extensions 2.0 for the HP series 200 Computers Manual Part No. 09826-90011 Copyright 1982 Darn close to mint condition 2. Plastic spiral bound photocopy of: Basic 3.0 Utilities Library for the HP series 200 Computers Manual Part No. 098613-10020 Copyright 1984 As good as the day it was copied. 3. Wire spiral bound pocket reference: Basic 2.0 Condensed Reference with Extensions 2.1 Manual Part No. 09826-90051 First Edition July, 1983 Cover torn 1.25" along spiral at bottom, a name lightly written across the top of the cover and at the top of the title page. Otherwise VGC. Cost: Free + Actual shipping, although donations are appreciated. Bill http://www.swtpc.com

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Users manual, IEM 1mb mem board for HP 9000 series 200/300, Free+

by whdawson＠localisps.net

1 MBYTE MEMORY BOARD For HP 9000 Series 200/300 computers User's Manual September 1986 Publication #: 040986 Manual Part# 9837257 IEM, Inc. Fort Collins, CO Plastic Spiral bound, 22 pages incl. covers; configuration, dip switch settings, etc. VGC Cost: Free + Actual shipping, although donations are appreciated. Bill

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OT: name that computer

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Sellam: Are you planning for VCFE 2.0? Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:49 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: OT: name that computer On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Chad Fernandez wrote: > I'm not that old :-) > > Of course the 50's had there problems too, but they are generally > portrayed as being quite wholesome. I wasn't around, but I suspect they > were. It was probably backlash from WW2. As long as people continue to age, there will always result a large population of curmudgeons who will lament their perception that "things were better in my day". Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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OT: name that computer

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Nothing yet ... this was from the 60's. :) > The B205 was a popular movie/TV computer and here is picture of > one in the Bat Cave and other places. > http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/B205/onscreen.html And Time Tunnel, although Sage parts may have been more prominent: http://neolase.lasers.org/TimeTunnel/Towers/Towers.shtml -dq

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Matrox STD-ALPHA VDC for Mostek MD-STD-Z80 Bus manual, Free+

by whdawson＠localisps.net

And finally: An almost mint manual: STD-ALPHA Variable Format Video Display Controller MANUAL NO. 159-A50-06/0 17/5/84 Matrox Electronic Systems Ltd. "Direct Plug-in for Mostek MD-STD-Z80 BUS" 66 pages 1.0 Specs 2.0 Function Description (2 pages) 3.0 Initial Check-Out 4.0 Software 5.0 Straps 6.0 Circuit Description (4 pages) 7.0 MCH-01 Character Generator 8.0 Read/Write Timing 9.0 Pin Assignment 10.0 Maintenance and Warranty 11.0 Ordering Information 12.0 C.R.T.C. Data Sheets (27 pages on HD6845S CRT Controller) 13.0 Schematics and Diagrams (4 pages) Cost: Free + Actual shipping, although donations are appreciated. Please contact me off list. Bill

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Getting Wyse at Goodwill?

by whdawson＠localisps.net

Spotted these in the local (Washington, PA 15301) Goodwill: 1. Wyse 55 model 901237-01 w/ keyboard 840358-01 Dirty but not beat up. Green screen. No burn. Checks out OK in Local. $8.50 2. Wyse 150 900983-1 w/ keyboard 840358-01 Dirty but not beat up. Green screen. No burn. Checks out OK in Local. $8.50 If anyone is interested in one or both of these, LMK via private email to make arrangements. They're still at Goodwill. I would have bought them, but I have enough already for my own uses. Bill

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procom cdrom controller available

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Hi folks. I have a Procom Technology 8-bit ISA bus CDROM controller available for the cost of shipping. Anybody interested? -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Microchannel and Redhat?

by fernande＠internet1.net

Will factory Redhat work with MicroChannel? I'm having trouble loading anything but Windows on this computer!! Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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DEC distribution tapes - VAX vs RISC

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Sat, 9 Mar 2002; Jochen <jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> wrote: > On 8 Mar, Mzthompson(a)aol.com wrote: > > > So the question is when did the RISC series of processors come into > > use, and are these 'unmarked' tapes likely for VAX? > > The DECstation 3100 was the first RISC Unix workstation made by DEC. It > came in 1989 to the market. Thanks, that was what my old and vague memory was recalling. > From there > on none of the new MicroVAXen / VAXstations was supported by Ultrix. What are you considering new? I am looking at the Ultrix 4.x Basic Installation guide dated 1990 and it lists over a dozen uVAX's, VAXservers, and VAXstations. > AFAIK Ultrix 3.0 was current at that time. Sounds about right. So it would seem OK to say that these tapes I have are for VAX. Looking at the tapes: 1) Ultirx-32 V2.0 16 USR TK50 1987 My question here would be was this the only tape needed to install this version? 2) Ultrix-32 V2.2-1 Supp TK50 1988 With this tape marked 'SUPP' I suspect that I only have the one tape of a multi-tape set. Well, someone else on the list was asking if I had any versions of Ultrix for VAX. I guess it looks like a possibility. Thanks, Mike

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Blank Paper Tape Question

by bill_r＠inebraska.com

Does regular paper tape normally come with the sprocket holes pre-punched, or does the device that punches the data holes also punch the sprocket holes? I recently bought some "paper tape" from eBay, and it looks like the right stuff except it's totally without holes. I don't think I've ever seen "virgin" tape before, but I had the idea that the sprocket holes down the middle came with the tape. I'm kicking around trying to build my own tape punch, since I have been unsuccessful at scrounging or buying one so far. I picked up some stainless steel flat and some rod of the appropriate diameter for the holes today, along with some solenoids for actuating said rods. I'm thinking of machining the stainless to make my own punch, but the lack of sprocket holes on the new tape has me confused. Do I need to add another solenoid and pin to punch a smaller hole for the sprocket, or did I just buy some odd-ball tape?

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A proposal for a definitive URL linc source site

by lgwalker＠mts.net

I've spent some years on the net searching for info on my latest acquisition and how to get it functioning. In the mutitude of sites available some provided useful info on the machine or platform while others simply supplied pictures of a collection. Sources could lead you to a multitude of sites before you found the one that answered your questions, if you were lucky. The problem is the common problem on the net of too much information. Sellams site is a case in point, and IINM my site-list from T3C served as a source for his some of his list. The multitude of sites is just too overwhelming. What would be good is the definitive computer site for each computer or the catagory you're looking for. Jeff Helliges site for the Tandy 2000 http://www.cchaven.com Tim Manns TRS80 site http://www.tim-mann.org/trs80new.html Kees Travers TRS m.II http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/cm/modelii.html Merch's site for the m.100 ( Can't find it in my list.Put it in your sig file Merch) For the CoCo http://zeppelin.tzo.cc/coco/coco.jhtml Tandy 1000 page (can't find it- Red dog page ?) As examples just for the Tandy boxes. comprehensive sites like the PCjr one http://mail.magnaspeed.net/~mbbrutman/PCjr/pcjr.html or any of the PS/2 Mafia pages and the IBM Can site for most models It would still comprise a multitude of info but would point you to the best sources of info on that box you just acquired. And of course generate a bunch of disagreements on the list as to the most authoritive site. Sellams site would likely be the best place to list such a thing as it is well- known and would likely need only a minimum of re-organisation. And of course could have various sections for those into micros, minis, and even mainframes. Rogers site could be a kickoff for Laptops. The main thing would be that the listing was the authoritive site in the opinion of the list, and save a collector from tedius Google searches. Possibly even a rating system could be used. Lawrence Reply to: lgwalker(a)mts.net Love of the Goddess makes the poet go mad he goes to his death and in death is made wise. Robert Graves

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Intel RAM - What came when

by gmphillips＠earthlink.net

Can anyone here help me with this. I need to know the sequence that Intel RAM (SRAM and DRAM) was introduced. If you think you know dates, give them. In know that Intel's first RAM was the 3101 SRAM Then came the 1101 SRAM I "think" the 1103 DRAM was next. Then comes... What? I suspect the 2101? Or was it the 2102? Not sure which came first. I think the 2111 and 2112 came after the 2102. Anyway, if you can help, let me know what order you think the Intel RAM was introduced. I've tried figuring this out from the 1977 IC Master but it list everything up thru the 2114 and does not indicate when the chips were introduced. Here's the base numbers I'm interested in. 1101 1103 2101 2102 2104 2105 2106 2107 2108 2109 2111 2112 2113 2114 2115 2116 2117 2118 2125 2148 2149 3101 3102 3104 3106 3107 5101 Also, if you know of any early Intel RAM not listed, please let me know. As always, I am looking to buy any vintage Intel or Intel 2nd source processors, EPROM's, PROMS's, ROM, RAM, or support chips you have, that I don't, that you don't need. In particular, I'm looking for the following: Intel C1701 EPROM Intel C1702 EPROM (not C1702A) Intel C1602 PROM Intel C1602A PROM Intel C3101A in white CerDIP package without visible gray traces. Intel C2704 EPROM Intel C8080 (not C8080A) Eng Samples of Intel 4004 thru 8088 processors. Toshiba TMP9080AC (8080 clone) Mitsubishi M58710S (8080 clone) Early AMD 8080's before AMD started using the AM9080 part numbers.

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More Free Stuff: Austin, TX

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

More free stuff (and pictures), for pickup only: Pile of Sun VME boards: http://www.mrbill.net/~mrbill/freestuff/tn/vmeboards1.jpg.html http://www.mrbill.net/~mrbill/freestuff/tn/vmeboards2.jpg.html http://www.mrbill.net/~mrbill/freestuff/tn/memoryboard.jpg.html One DELNI, 8-port AUI "hub"/concentrator? http://www.mrbill.net/~mrbill/freestuff/tn/delni.jpg.html Three GRIDcase 1520/1530 laptops. ONE AC power supply, that works in any of the machines. One has a funky hinge, but still opens. One of them has a nice "PROPERTY OF THE IRS" sticker. 8-) http://www.mrbill.net/~mrbill/freestuff/tn/gridlaptops.jpg.html Again, free for pickup in Austin. Might ship, but you'll have to offer me something in trade if I have to haul this stuff to the pack-n-ship place. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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FREE: Sun VME boards in Austin, TX

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got a pile (seven or eight or maybe more) of Sun VME boards free for pickup in Austin, TX. I know one of them is a 4/6x0 memory board (tons of 30pin slots); i've got a couple of SCSI controllers, some IPI controlelrs, ALM-2 boards, etc. Just cleaning out the closet. Must pick up - WILL NOT SHIP, *unless* you have something nifty to trade (looking for ham radio equipment, etc..) Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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FREE: Sun-2 machines in Austin, TX

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got a Sun 2/170 and a 2/120 (one is a big black rackmount cube-ish enclosure, the other is a deskside tower reminiscent of a skinny 3/260), free for pickup in Austin, TX. The /170 will need some cleanup and TLC; the /120 just needs a monitor cable (9pin mono monitor; an all-wires straight-through 9pin serial cable works fine), keyboard cable, mouse, and mouse pad. WILL NOT SHIP. You will need to come pick these up. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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2 qbus cards available

by William.King＠dadaboom.com

I have the following two boards which I like to dispose of. Free to a good home, as long as you don't put them up on eBay. Buyer pays shipping, let's say $5.00 each. 1. Computer Products Model 312 w/cabinet kit. I believe this is a DHV11 clone (dual width, qbus). The cabinet kit has 8 DB25 connectors. 2. Simpact Assocates, Inc. ICP 1622 Comm (quad width, qbus). I have no idea what this card is, but it does have a socketed DEC 21-17311-01 chip on it (which I believe is the bus interface.) I imagine that it is a communications card of some sort. Both cards are untested and shipped as-is. The ICP 1622 was pulled from a working system, so I'd guess that it works. The other arrived with a pile of equipment, so I have no idea about it's status. Bill

23 years, 9 months

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Open systems: was DEC kidding about itself?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi found this funny t-shirt being auctioned on ePay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2008676061 What I don't quite understand is what message this t-shirt was supposed to convey, so I just thought may be I should take it literally. And so I did :-) See here: http://aurora.regenstrief.org/VAX/open-systems.jpg regards, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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VAX 6400 booting saga: A scary story with a happy ending.

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, let me share a frightening story with you that I lived through while my family had naptime. I decided to try out Isildur's idea of booting Ultrix using a KA62A processor in the hope that that would be supported right off the 4.5 boot tape. And I just happened to have one such T2011 board in a box (taken off a lonely 6310 in a barn full of bird-poop.) So, I took all 6 KA64As out and stacked them on some papers that I use to pack most of my boards (with papers between the boards so they would not stick together :-). Put the KA62A in and fired up. A lonely light lit and no real function was to be observed. I moved all 4 MS65A-DA boards out too, because I figured that may be a KA62A doesn't know how to deal with MS65A-DA. I swapped in some of those T2014 that seem to multiply while stored in the box. Anyway, it still wouldn't work. The self test progress report shows that the CPU detects no memory and then it reports that problem explicitly and stops. The CPU error status lights say hexadecimal C0. I could not find any table explaining what C0 status code is. It could be boring (like "no memory found", which I know) or it could indicate some condition that I could fix, like "backplane wiring error" :-). I stuffed the whole XMI bus full with those 32 MB cards in the hopes that one would work, but to no avail. So, perhaps the memory access path in that CPU board is broken? Is there any rewiring to be done when converting a 6400 down to a 6200? Anyway, my daughter came downstairs indicating naptime was over and so it was time to finish up. KA62A and all MS62A back in the box and all 6 KA64As and 4 MS65A-DA back into the bus fired up and all processors were indicating they were somehow not agreeing who would get to be the primary CPU. Hit reset and they figured it out. But now they were bitching about memory and the CPUs showed minuses in the selftest monitor. Rearranged the CPUs and the memory, still no good luck. Everything was screwed up! I was afraid I had killed all my boards by careless handling (I did this before, may be not with that polyester pullover that might have sent static sparks, like they do.) Took all but one CPU out and that did do the self test OK. But one MS65A board seemed broken. It failed regardless which slot I put it. Finally I took it all out. Then the CPUs back in and again it didn't work. I then put CPUs back one by one powering up each time to see progress. Slowly, one by one, the number of board which I thought I had killed reduced down to 1, the memory board. The order in which I put in the CPUs and the restarting every time seemed to be important. Then, finally I even found one configuration of the memory boards where all 4 were detected and tested fine. Hey I was so scared I had killed half of my VAX through carelessness. But I didn't. I am quite confused why it is all so finnicky about the order of installing the hardware. I won't mess with this machine's XMI configuration any time soon. regards -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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Today's Apple brag

by spectre＠stockholm.ptloma.edu

Today's brag: a Woz IIgs with 20MB Applied Ingenuity internal HD and 1MB RAM card. I transferred the hard disk, cover (*smirk*) and RAM card to my 1MB ROM 03 IIgs, and now I have a faux Woz with ROM 03 firmware, a 20MB disk with 6.0.1 on it and 2MB of RAM. Now all I need is a CPU upgrade and a good modem ... The G3 for the PowerBook 1400 also arrived today too and that was almost as much fun. :-) -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- The fastest way to fold a map is differently. ------------------------------

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Transmitter (Was: RE: OT Mitsubishi Monitor Weirdness)

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Sat, 9 Mar 2002; "Davison, Lee" <Lee.Davison(a)merlincommunications.com> wrote: > > As an example, I use to work on some navigational > > transmitters with power output of a few hundred watts. > > There was a test jack for sampling the RF output and you > > hooked a scope to the jack. The gotcha was when you > > hooked the coax cable to the transmitter first instead of > > the scope. If you did that, the transmitter went down > > within seconds. > This is rot! No it's not. I know of a couple technicians who goofed and caused it to happen. > On a transmitter with even a few watts output the > RF probe coupling would be -10dB or more, so even an open > or short on this would give a return of -20dB. This is so > small it can be ignored, in fact many antenna systems aren't > that good. I agree with what you say here, even for the vintage of the transmitters. They were built in the 40's & 50's. It was even fascinating to see how the technology worked. To modulate a portion of the RF with low frequency (ranging from 30 to 90 hz) there was two RF coupling loops with a specially designed fan blade spinning between the loops. This changed the amplitude of the RF coupled from one loop to the other. You can probably imagine the fascination of some technicians when we swapped out this vintage tube type monsters with state-of-the-art-neato solid state units. Got questions from the some of the old timers 'Duh, it taint got no moving parts, how does it modulate the carrier?'. > As a termination a scope is a very poor match for any low Z > RF source it's impedance being 1Mohm or more so it > wouldn't matter if you plugged it in or not. Also most test > gear can't absorb any ammount of watts for any length of > time, so if the port was a high power snif it would have to be > terminated at the port with a high power attenuator which > gives a good match regardless of it's terminating Z. Because of the vintage of the equipment and operating in the VHF band (108-118 mhz), we had special scopes that that had a special RF input section that could handle a few watts. This was what we used to check the modulation pattens and the like. > > The open circuit at the other end of the coax got > > reflected back to the transmitter as a low > > impedance and detuned it, and the monitoring circuits > > would detect the detuning and pull the plug. > This depends entirely on the wavelength length of the > coax. Did you use an exact odd multiple of 1/4 wavelength > coax every time? Yes, it was required for use with the scope. > can you remember the make/model of these transmitters? Nope, I have slept since then. They were all special designed for the government. In fact when they were replaced with solid state units (1980's), we had orders to destroy the old ones. They did not want them on the surplus market where they might show up in operation later. I do remember now, one model was built by Wurlizter (sp?), yep, the electronic organ folks. And now, I would like to apologize to the list. While this meets (and exceeds greatly) the 10 year guideline, it would not by any stretch of the imagination 'compute'. I was simply trying to point out the need for proper termination of a circuit, regardless of where the circuit is and what it does. Forgive me. Mike

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PALCE16V8H

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

Slightly OT. Does anyone have the read/write spec for a PALCE16V8H? I want to put more memory on an 8032 SBC but can't afford to buy a programmer just to read the chip that does the decoding. I can replace it with a GAL part but I'd like to read the original. Ta. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

23 years, 9 months

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spam (was:ADV: International Trade)

by mhstein＠canada.com

Why not start by just refraining from commenting and substantially adding to the spam every time... mike --------------Original Message-------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:26:44 -0500 From: "Glen Goodwin" <acme_ent(a)bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: ADV: International Trade > From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> > Umm, that post looked like a duck & quacked like a duck.... I don't > _care_ if they said it wasn't a duck. Yes, and this kind of duck really sucks. When are we going to do something about this? Hello? Jay? Glen 0/0

23 years, 9 months

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CD-RW on a VMS system

by wilby98＠yahoo.com

I am looking down the road a bit on whether it might be feasible to add a CD-RW to my VMS system. My first question is if it will work with my present hardware: To be clustered: VAXstation 3100, VAXstation 2000 (will probably not be clustered, but be a dedicated disk formatter), MicroVAX 3100-30, MicroVAX II. ... and software: VMS 5.5-2 (will hopefully upgrade to latest version when get CD-ROM such as 'Toshiba XM-6401B'.) So if I add a 'Plextor PlexWriter (SCSI) and use: CDRECORD LD062 ... will I have a way to backup data onto CD-R's? How about 'performance'? I am thinking it will be slow, but how slow? -- Bill Amsterdam, NL

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looking for an image of OBP 2.25 for SPARCstation 10

by salo＠Xtrmntr.org

hi, On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 08:39:15PM +0000, Andrew Basterfield wrote: > You can get one from here > > http://lios.apana.org.au/~cdewick/data/bootroms.html thanks to all who replied. i've never seen this site, sure it's cool :) regards, -- -- Lubomir Sedlacik <salo(a)Xtrmntr.org> ASCII Ribbon campaign against /"\ -- -- <salo(a)silcnet.org> e-mail in gratuitous HTML and \ / -- -- Microsoft proprietary formats X -- -- PGPkey: http://Xtrmntr.org/salo.pgp / \ -- -- Key Fingerprint: DBEC 8BEC 9A90 ECEC 0FEF 716E 59CE B70B 7E3B 70E2 --

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looking for an image of OBP 2.25 for SPARCstation 10

by salo＠Xtrmntr.org

hello, i am looking for an image of OpenBoot PROM for SPARCstation 10, the latest one - 2.25 Version 0. is there any good soul out there who would send me a dump from EEPROM? i would really appreciate it.. thanks, regards, -- -- Lubomir Sedlacik <salo(a)Xtrmntr.org> ASCII Ribbon campaign against /"\ -- -- <salo(a)silcnet.org> e-mail in gratuitous HTML and \ / -- -- Microsoft proprietary formats X -- -- PGPkey: http://Xtrmntr.org/salo.pgp / \ -- -- Key Fingerprint: DBEC 8BEC 9A90 ECEC 0FEF 716E 59CE B70B 7E3B 70E2 --

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OT: name that computer

by rachael_＠gmx.net

Hi while watchning 'I dream of Jeannie' episode 40 - 'The girl who never had a birthday', Tony uses a computer at NASA, It had black and white switches, grouped into blocks four. Looked as the front was made of brushed metal, have anyone seen that episode or know that kind of computer it might have been ? Regards Jacob Dahl Pind -- CBM, Amiga,Vintage hardware collector Email: Rachael_(a)gmx.net url: http://rachael.dyndns.org

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ApplicationDEC 433MP server

by davebarnes＠adelphia.net

Hello all; I just picked up a Digital ApplicationDEC 433MP server. Monster server box. Seems to be a multi processor (up to 4) 486 server that ran SCO/Unix 386, modified for this machine. I am trying to get it running again, and seem to have some memory errors when it powers up and self tests. Does anyone have this machine they can provide more info on? Looking also for parts, cpu boards (mine only has a single cpu card), memory, etc.... Can anyone help? Thanks David Barnes

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OT: Scrapping steel (was RE: Suggestions for hauling ...)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

'course, it takes a heck of a lot of steel for it to amount to jack squat.. Steel is so worthless compared to aluminum, etc. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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ADV: International Trade

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> > Umm, that post looked like a duck & quacked like a duck.... I don't > _care_ if they said it wasn't a duck. Yes, and this kind of duck really sucks. When are we going to do something about this? Hello? Jay? Glen 0/0

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Documentation on the HP IPC

by vp＠mcs.drexel.edu

I have an IPC with HP UX 5.0 and HP Basic in ROM. The system has a built in HP-IB connector as well as an HP-IB expansion card. The system boots fine but I haven't had much success in getting the built-in floppy drive to read the floppies I have prepared (using a wide variety of systems and techniques). I am trying to use an external HP-IB dual floppy drive (an HP 9122D) but the IPC refuses to admit that the 9122 is connected. So, if anybody has tranferred images to a floppy, please let me know of your technique. I have PCs running many OSs (from MSDOS 5.0 to Windows 2000 and OpenBSD, FreeBSD and Linux). I also have Sparcs with Solaris 7 and OpenBSD. On the subject of documentation. If anybody has manuals for this machine please send me a note. If you don't want to part with them I can pay for photocopies. It is very frustrating to have the IPC just standing there when I *know* I can get it to work. Thanks **vp PS I suspect that the built-in floppy is double sided-double density, but anybody knows block size, interleave etc. of these diskettes?

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Protect your vacation home against winter freeze for less than 30 cents a day!

by doaks＠thecottagemonitor.com

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MicroMint BCC52 BASIC controller

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Does anyone have a manual for one of these? I bought one for $1 and now I know why. The 5V PS was putting out about 20 volts! I've fixed the PS and got the card talking to a terminal again after replacing about 6 ICs but I'm not sure of some of the features on it so I can't test it completely. Joe

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Blank Paper Tape Question (P.S.)

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Andy Holt wrote: > >A _really_ fast paper tape reader was capable of 2000 cps ... but needed >special spooling arangements to feed the tape fast enough. And one built during WW2 would run rings around it (5000 char/second): http://www.codesandciphers.org.uk/lorenz/rebuild.htm >Very imptessive to watch when it was working properly ... and even more >impressive when it failed :-( The Colossus one was (at least once) run to the point that the tape failed - talk about paper cuts!! Antonio

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QBus Grant cards

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 9, Doc Shipley wrote: > I dunno why y'all are so excited about them; I see them on eBay pretty > frequently. As in: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2008371320 > > Does this mean we should do a cooperative snatch? (DON'T go near > there, Dave) 8-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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MicroMint BCC52 BASIC controller

by mhstein＠canada.com

Have you checked MicroMint and the CCI archives? They're usually pretty good. If you really have no luck, let me know and I'll do some digging; might have some info. mike ------------------Original Message--------------------- Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:31:38 -0500 From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> Subject: MicroMint BCC52 BASIC controller Does anyone have a manual for one of these? I bought one for $1 and now I know why. The 5V PS was putting out about 20 volts! I've fixed the PS and got the card talking to a terminal again after replacing about 6 ICs but I'm not sure of some of the features on it so I can't test it completely. Joe

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Nice Manuals found up in the above garage storage area

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I have not been up in the storage area for over 10 years and I found several items of interest up there; 1. AJ832 keyboard printer terminal operator's manual 2. IBM - Introduction to IBM Data Processing Systems C20-1684-2 a pretty cool book. 3.IBM - Introduction to Virtual Storage in the System/370 GR20-4260-1 4. IBM - An Introduction to Linear Programming GE20-8171-0 5. Data Storage System 370 service 6. HP 9825 Desktop Computer Quick Reference 7. HP 9825A Desktop Computer Operating and Programming 7. A notebook with the 9825 Customer Course in it: covers - introduction; mainframe; array variables; tape;strings; advanced programming; general I/O; HP-IB;9872 Plotter;9885 Floppy Disk; Matrix Rom. Also found some old IBM clear/blue reel tape covers and a few punch cards. Not 10 years old yet but yesterday at the thrift I picked up a Compaq Armada 7770DMT ( 233MHZ) laptop for $14.99. It was missing the powercord and CD-ROM drive. I was able to find a cord today but cost $20 at the second store I stopped at. I got it and so far the machines seems to work fine. I'm waiting to see if it will hold a charge.

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QBus Grant cards

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

I dunno why y'all are so excited about them; I see them on eBay pretty frequently. As in: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2008371320 Does this mean we should do a cooperative snatch? (DON'T go near there, Dave) Doc

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Blank Paper Tape Question

by mhstein＠canada.com

FWIW, all the PPT I have & have used is/was blank, and the perforators punched the feed hole along with the data. However, I also have some edge-punched cards, which use the same perfs & readers as PPT, and these ARE pre-punched, presumably to avoid long-term drift across cards. However, IIRC, the perforator does not punch the feed hole when it senses a card instead of tape. So, technically no problem either way, although re-punching an existing hole is not usually a good idea. For the curious, EPCs (not to be confused with the tiny 96 col cards which also have binary round holes) are similar to 80 col TAB cards but are continuous, connected with perforations at the ends and stacked accordion-style. They go through the PPT perforator just like PPT, getting punched along the edge, and are subsequently separated and used like other punched cards. Sounds like you're embarking on an ambitious project; I think you'd need some massive solenoids. The way it's usually done is to drive the punch pins with a motor-driven cam and the solenoid interposers only select which pins are driven. I've still got some punches & parts if you're interested; threw some of it out since no one seemed interested (except Steve, who understandably couldn't wait :), and it seemed like more hassle than it was worth, but I think there's still some stuff in the pile that'll be a lot easier to work with than building a perforator from scratch, either complete units or punch blocks/dies. Mind you, if you enjoy that sort of challenge I wish you well! And how about a reader (or two)? mike ------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:36:13 -0600 (CST) From: Bill Richman <bill_r(a)inebraska.com> Subject: Blank Paper Tape Question Does regular paper tape normally come with the sprocket holes pre-punched, or does the device that punches the data holes also punch the sprocket holes? I recently bought some "paper tape" from eBay, and it looks like the right stuff except it's totally without holes. I don't think I've ever seen "virgin" tape before, but I had the idea that the sprocket holes down the middle came with the tape. I'm kicking around trying to build my own tape punch, since I have been unsuccessful at scrounging or buying one so far. I picked up some stainless steel flat and some rod of the appropriate diameter for the holes today, along with some solenoids for actuating said rods. I'm thinking of machining the stainless to make my own punch, but the lack of sprocket holes on the new tape has me confused. Do I need to add another solenoid and pin to punch a smaller hole for the sprocket, or did I just buy some odd-ball tape?

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DEC distribution tapes - VAX vs RISC

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

I was looking through my DEC tapes to see what VAX, if any, were there. I found most tapes clearly marked RISC, and none marked VAX. I did find a couple tapes, early versions of Ultrix. They were not marked as for VAX or otherwise, but were dated around 1987 or 1988. So the question is when did the RISC series of processors come into use, and are these 'unmarked' tapes likely for VAX? TIA Mike Thompson

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OT Mitsubishi Monitor Weirdness

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

As an example, I use to work on some navigational transmitters with power output of a few hundred watts. There was a test jack for sampling the RF output and you hooked a scope to the jack. The gotcha was when you hooked the coax cable to the transmitter first instead of the scope. If you did that, the transmitter went down within seconds. This is rot! On a transmitter with even a few watts output the RF probe coupling would be -10dB or more, so even an open or short on this would give a return of -20dB. This is so small it can be ignored, in fact many antenna systems aren't that good. As a termination a scope is a very poor match for any low Z RF source it's impedance being 1Mohm or more so it wouldn't matter if you plugged it in or not. Also most test gear can't absorb any ammount of watts for any length of time, so if the port was a high power snif it would have to be terminated at the port with a high power attenuator which gives a good match regardless of it's terminating Z. The open circuit at the other end of the coax got reflected back to the transmitter as a low impedance and detuned it, and the monitoring circuits would detect the detuning and pull the plug. This depends entirely on the wavelength length of the coax. Did you use an exact odd multiple of 1/4 wavelength coax every time? can you remember the make/model of these transmitters? Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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DECstation Ultrix

by meltlet＠fastmail.fm

Hello all! I'd like to get in contact with anyone that has access to a DECstation 3100 with Ultrix. My problem is that I have a Cranfield DECstation which was built to run in a NFS environment. I've rebuilt the network scripts &c to get it to boot 'multiuser', but as it's missing the whole of /usr and refuses to present me with a login prompt (good thing really - lack of usr means I cannot change passwords anyway). I would really appreciate it if you have a working copy you could tarball /usr for me or point me towards somewhere with a publicly accessible archive...? TIA Alex

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Blank Paper Tape Question

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:36:13 -0600 (CST) > From: Bill Richman <bill_r(a)inebraska.com> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Blank Paper Tape Question > > Does regular paper tape normally come with the sprocket holes pre-punched, > or does the device that punches the data holes also punch the sprocket > holes? I recently bought some "paper tape" from eBay, and it looks like > the right stuff except it's totally without holes. I don't think I've > ever seen "virgin" tape before, but I had the idea that the sprocket holes > down the middle came with the tape. I'm kicking around trying to build my > own tape punch, since I have been unsuccessful at scrounging or buying one > so far. I picked up some stainless steel flat and some rod of the > appropriate diameter for the holes today, along with some solenoids for > actuating said rods. I'm thinking of machining the stainless to make my > own punch, but the lack of sprocket holes on the new tape has me confused. > Do I need to add another solenoid and pin to punch a smaller hole for the > sprocket, or did I just buy some odd-ball tape? That's the way it is. The sprocket hole gets punched along with all the data holes. Even the TTY33-ASR did it that way. Otherwise you would have a tough alignment problem between the data and the "timing track". carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

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IBM 3840

by pat＠purdueriots.com

An IBM 3840 Tape System just came in recently at Purdue University Salvage and Surplus. The guy that works there (Don) said he would try and figure out a price for it. The system includes: 1) 1x3840 A22 controller 2) 2x3840 B22 dual-tape drive 3) 1x3840 B22 dual-tape drive with autochanger. The item was in 'unknown status', but appeared to be complete. I've asked him to hold off on scrapping the system until at least next Tuesday. If you're interested, contact me off list, and I'll try to see what he'll want for it(you can make an offer for him). Currently, I don't have any way to move it or store it (more than a couple days in my apartment that is) so the pickup would either have to be by Tuesday by you or I'd have to rent a truck to move it to my place for temporary storage (which I'd ask $20+truck charges for). If no-one's interested by next Tuesday, I'll tell him to go ahead and scrap it, so make up your minds soon... I'll post a price for it as soon as I find one out. -- Pat

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Intel iPSC/1, TI Explorer II, Symbolics 3620 documentation, software sou...

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 3/8/02 1:20:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com writes: > > > What's an iPSC? Isn't that the first intel Parallel Super? Computer. I think I still have some cards for that, with multiple 82586 ethernet coprocessors on a Multibus II card. I have always wanted one of those. The closest I ever got was an empty tower and bunches of cards, and that was 10 years ago. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Grant cards (was Re: MicroVAX-II questions)

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> > > M9047 Grant card > > > > What ever you do, don't let this card out of your sight. > > No kidding. I think I've seen three Qbus grant cards in my life. What I find amusing is the stack of them I got out of a PDP-11 that was controlling a Cameca Microprobe. They'd already disassmebled everything by the time I got the stuff, but they must have had a blank card in every slot! The interesting thing is they'd made they're own grant cards out of Q-Bus prototyping cards! Zane

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OT Mitsubishi Monitor Weirdness

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Fri, 8 Mar 2002; Julius Sridhar <vance(a)ikickass.org> wrote: > Hi people. I have a Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 900u (nowhere near on-topic > but I figure people here might know better what causes this kind of > problem). If I provide it with a sync-on-green signal to its BNC > connectors (It has five, I connect three), the monitor syncs up just fine, > but all the areas that are black show up with a green cast. The white > areas show up just fine. I haven't looked at an image with color yet, but > I would guess that all the colors would probably be shifted towards the > green. Any ideas? I use to see this often during my tour as a television studio engineer. It all came down to one word: TERMINATION. I had forgot to terminate the video cables going into a monitor, or disconnected the monitor at the end of a chain. We all know to terminate the SCSI bus, and the other day there was a discussion of terminating the floppy cable as part of Dave Jenner's thread on multiple floppies. We also need to remember that any time you run a signal down any wire from point A to point B, it needs to be terminated in its characteristic impedance. If it isn't, some bad things can happen. As an example, I use to work on some navigational transmitters with power output of a few hundred watts. There was a test jack for sampling the RF output and you hooked a scope to the jack. The gotcha was when you hooked the coax cable to the transmitter first instead of the scope. If you did that, the transmitter went down within seconds. The open circuit at the other end of the coax got reflected back to the transmitter as a low impedance and detuned it, and the monitoring circuits would detect the detuning and pull the plug. On the back of my Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 20 there is a switch next to each BNC, used to terminate each input. If the monitor does not provide terminate switches, you can always try BNC T connectors and 75 ohm terminators. In a later message, Julius Sridhar <vance(a)ikickass.org> also wrote: > Never mind. The Clamp pulse setting was in the wrong position. I am curious to know if your monitor has termination switches. If so, how about setting the clamp pulse back to what it was and then terminating the inputs. If not, do you have the T's and terminators to try it that way. I would be interested to know the results. Mike

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MicroVAX-II questions

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Fri, 8 Mar 2002; Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> scribbled: > Just got home with my brand-spanking-old MVII... All right now! > It's indecently clean inside... Don't you just hate it when that happens. You miss out on the fun of blowing the dust out and having go everywhere. > M9047 Grant card What ever you do, don't let this card out of your sight. I once rescued a good quantity of uVAX II boards. Most of them went to list members, but what to do with the big stack of M9047's. One nearby DEC reseller gave me the number of another reseller out in California who was desperate for them. For a mess of M9047's, I got a some DEC badged drives of the RZ2x variety. Who'd thunk it? > Anybody have 2 breakout boxes for the M3107, and no M3107? We could > equalize.... For that matter, if anybody needs the card, I'll just > share. When I finally got tired of all the uVAX II stuff around here, I sent it to several list members for postage. It was the odds & ends stuff and included some of the breakout boxes. So there are list members with several of these in their stash. Just gotta get 'em to 'fess up. Mike

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Hosting Recommendations

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

I don't know about the other carriers, but I'm here to tell you that RoadRunner (at least, it's incarnation here in Kansas) really, truly, sucks ass: 1. They charge for basic cable in addition to my network connection, even though I don't use the cable TV part. 2. ftp & http access to machines I have attached to the network is *blocked* ( can get in via TELNET; whoop, whoop). 3. Their NNTP (net news) service sucks 4. They're going to raise my rates *again*. 5. The speed is no where nearly as fast as it used to be. I'd go DSL but SBC doesn't have DSL in my neighborhood. Damn. Jeff On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:36:41 -0600 Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com> writes: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dan Wright [mailto:dtwright@uiuc.edu] > > > I was just switched from @Home to my local cable company's > (insight > > communications) network, and it's actual been more stable and > > reliable then it > > was before. @Home kind of sucked, but I've been happy with > > insight's service, > > at least so far -- it's been about a month... > > Ok, so how much does Insight cost? Will they panic if I tell them I > don't have windows, and no, it's not a Macintosh either? ;) > > Do they require you to buy cable service too, or can you get the > network hookup separately? > > I have been considering switching to cable off and on, myself. > > Chris > > Christopher Smith, Perl Developer > Amdocs - Champaign, IL > > /usr/bin/perl -e ' > print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); > ' > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:10:00 -0600 (CST) > From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: OpenSTEP for VMS > In-Reply-To: <200203052244.g25Mii717665(a)shell1.aracnet.com> > Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > > First I've heard of it. It primarily ran on NeXT hardware (of course), x86 > > systems, and had limited support for HP and Sparc. I've *never* heard VMS > > mentioned as having any sort of an OPENSTEP environment. > > We are talking about OpenSTEP, right? Not NeXTSTEP? There has > been a port of OpenSTEP to XFree86 for long and long. You mean, of course, a port of NeXTstep to Intel x86 hardware. Starting with NeXTstep 3.1 (circa 1991) and following with NeXTstep 3.2, 3.3. And OpenStep 4.1 and 4.2. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

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Seen on RISKS-L

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> The item referred to above is as follows: > > "In 1999, USC neurobiologist Joseph Miller asked NASA to check some old data > the Viking probes had sent back from Mars in the mid-1970s. Miller wanted to > find out whether certain information on gas released by Martian soil, which > at the time had been dismissed as meaningless "chemical activity," was > actually evidence of microbial life. NASA found the tapes he requested, but > they didn't find any way to read them. It turns out that the data, despite > being only about 25 years old, was in a format NASA had long since forgotten > about. Or, as Miller puts it, "The programmers who knew it had died." What this really meant was that some manager at NASA who was in the position of responsibility for these tapes didn't have the staff or budget to deal with them. A purely political issue, and not a technical one at all. I used be one of NASA's biggest supporters, and my dream was to work there some day. Year by year, my opinion of them has decayed until we get to how they dealt with the Delta Clipper. I've read the reports, and I'm convinced they deliberately crashed it because it was in comptetition for funds for their pet project, the venturestar (X-33). Which is now dead because they can't figure out how to make hydrogen tanks for the linear aerospike engine (very cool technology from Project Sun in the 1950s) that won't leak... -dq p.s. Revive the Delta Clipper!

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Seen on RISKS-L

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

CMOS = Complex _Megalithic_ Object Structures The builders of Stonehenge used CMOS, while the builders of Woodhenge (near Stonehenge), and some possibly similar (in function) structures at Cahokia, in East St. Louis, Illinois, used TTL. ;-) Bob -----Original Message----- From: Ben Franchuk [mailto:bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 1:14 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Seen on RISKS-L <snip> BTW The Stonehenge circle is believed by some to be early calculator ( priest powered ) for calculating the major events of the seasons , stars , sun and moon cycles. Stonehenge era designers used a lot of TTL ( timber^2 logic) rather than CMOS ( Complex Mon-Olithic Structures) in the design. -- Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu * www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html

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MicroVAX-II questions

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Thanks, Bill! Just got home with my brand-spanking-old MVII and set about playing with it. It's indecently clean inside, cables all in good shape, fans all free and clean, cards well seated. I even managed to get them all back in properly, in order, and the cables connected right. So let me see if I got this right, as this is the first working QBus system I've gotten: Boards, in order: M7606-AF MV-II CPU (KA630-A) w/1M RAM & serial console line M7608-BP 4M RAM card for KA630 M7609-AH 8M parity RAM " " M7504 DEQNA ethernet M7546 TQK50 tape controller M9047 Grant card M8053 DMV11 Serial controller M3104 DHV11 8-port async serial DMA mux 2x M3107 DHQ11 " " " " " Storage: 2x RD53-A 70M Micropolis 1325 RD54 190M Maxtor XT-2190 TK50 95M CompacTape drive This means I would, if I had the distribution hardware for the DHQ11s, have 25 serial interfaces? (plus console) What exactly is the DMV11? "Synchronous communications controller" sounds like it requires a DMV11 on the other end as well. Everything VMS I've looked at says the DEQNA is unsupported in VMS >v5.2. Is that unsupported as in "don't call DEC/Compaq/HP", or unsupported as in "it don't work"? Am I stuck with NetBSD then? Does anyone know if NBSD will mop-boot over the DEQNA? I don't have VMS older than 6.2. Anybody have 2 breakout boxes for the M3107, and no M3107? We could equalize.... For that matter, if anybody needs the card, I'll just share. Oh yeah. It boots. VMS 5.2, but it's looking for the rest of a cluster, and apparently a lot of its filespace was remote. Bummer. Other than that, and the fact that I can't get it upstairs, it's a cool "little" box. You know you're over the edge when the lack of ethernet access in your garage is a problem. Doc

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Thinning the heard

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Thanks everyone. The two Pros are claimed. In the future there may be other hardware but, not alot. I'm not getting out it's more a selection process as I with to run more of the peices and that takes space. Allison

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Top collectable machines

by rbl＠hal.EPBI.cwru.edu

So, is anyone interested in a couple of Stardent TITANs? LOTS of spare boards. Several monitors. Rob Lake lake(a)cwru.edu

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Subject: Re: OpenSTEP for VMS > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:44:44 -0800 (PST) > From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > In-Reply-To: <no.id> from "Christopher Smith" at Mar 05, 2002 04:33:20 PM > Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > > I have heard that OpenSTEP ran on VMS (Alpha) at one point. > > > > Having never heard of, nor seen this, I am curious, and would > > like to acquire a copy of this miraculous thing to run at home > > (on a hopefully soon-to-be-had DEC 3000, using the VMS hobbyist > > license...) > > > > Does anyone have any idea where to get it? > > > > Chris > > First I've heard of it. It primarily ran on NeXT hardware (of course), x86 > systems, and had limited support for HP and Sparc. I've *never* heard VMS > mentioned as having any sort of an OPENSTEP environment. There was a time when some Alpha AXP enthusiasts who, I believe, worked for a European subsidiary of DEC, started to port NeXTstep to the Alpha hardware. To us NeXT fans, this seemed too good to be true, and mostly that's how it ended up. Unsupported, unloved, and unfinished. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

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MicroVAX-II questions

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com> > >That is more or less what I said, I think. :) I didn't mean that >they didn't work at all, just that they'd had a lot of problems >with them (so I hear), and replaced them because of it. Actually the DEQNA was a burr in the VMS bottom since V4.2 or before. It wasn't a problem of getting 5.xx to work with it but rather a matter of finally saying time to retire the turkey. Likely 5.5 will work with it. >Tried 5.5? I have that version, so it would be interesting to know. Nope, dont have a copy. Did try 7.2 and it seems to work. Allison

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AIM-65 Questions

by mhstein＠canada.com

No problem; if someone else hasn't already fixed you (Rich & Ethan) up, I can dig out the ROM images or (if I can't find the disks) recreate them. Write me off-list and, if still required, what format (Intel/Mot/bin?). Just to make sure yours are correctly installed, the last 2 digits of the ROM specify the location, so the BASIC ROMs are R3225 & R3226 and should be inserted in sockets Z25 & Z26 respectively (Cxxx & Bxxx address blocks). And the monitor is in Z22&Z23 (R3222 & R3223), but sounds like it's OK. As Tony mentions elsewhere the 2332's could be mask-programmed various ways, and later model AIM65s had jumpers to select 2732/2532, but the AIM65 ROMs are 2532 pinout; 2732's would need a couple of pins exchanged unless you have one of the later AIMs (I assume yours is the 1K/4K version).. At least two different types of keyboards were used, but nothing special about either. I have a few brand new ones left if you need one (Don't worry, Jeff, one still has your name on it :). Might also still have some manual sets as soon as I figure out who's getting what, and several spare AIMs for parts. mike ---------------------Original Message---------------------- >Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:41:02 From: "Rich Beaudry" <r_beaudry(a)hotmail.com> Subject: AIM-65 Questions Hello all, I recently completed a trade for an AIM-65 that is about 80-90% working, but needs a little TLC. Hopefully someone here can help.... It appears to have the BASIC ROMs installed, and in the right sockets, but pressing "5" on the keyboard only results in the "<5>" display, and then the AIM hangs up. Only a press of the Reset button will free it up. I suspect the ROMs may be flaky, since one had quite a bit of (for lack of a better word) gunk on the tops of the pins. I cleanied it all off, but there may be some internal damage. These ROMs are part number 2332. I suspect these are 2732-compatible, at least in read mode, and not program mode... Does anyone have a ROM dump in Hex format? If so, could you email it to me so I can burn new ones? Actually, while I'm at it, if anyone has ANY of the AIM-65 ROMs dumped in Hex format, I'd appreciate copies. Then I could burn a whole new set... Also, the keyboard needs cleaning pretty badly. Unfortunately, I do not remember the manufacturer name or model #, but it is the standard AIM-65 keyboard. Has anyone ever fully taken one apart to clean it? If so, any gotchas? Thanks! Rich B.

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MicroMint BCC52 BASIC controller

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@cfl.rr.com] > Does anyone have a manual for one of these? I bought one > for $1 and now > I know why. The 5V PS was putting out about 20 volts! I've Wow, they "upgraded" the power supply... that's a good deal ;) Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Intel iPSC/1, TI Explorer II, Symbolics 3620 documentation, software sought

by aek＠apple.com

> Does anyone have documentation or software for the Intel iPSC/1, TI > Explorer II or Symbolics 3620 that they'd be willing to share? TI Explorer docs can be found at http://www.unlambda.com/lispm/explorer-docs/ As I mentioned a few weeks ago, he's trying to locate an original Explorer. -- Check with Paul Pierce re iPSC/1's

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SCSI Question

by blstuart＠bellsouth.net

I'm going to claim this is on topic since it's for my SPARCStation2 which is 10 years old. To make a (semi-)long story short, I've come to the conclusion that I need a SCSI1 to SCSI3 adapter with high byte termination to connect a wide IBM SCSI drive to the narrow SCSI controller in my SS2. The only IDC50M to MD68M adapter I've found doesn't have the termination. There's a nice little adapter out there but it's got female connectors on both ends. I could try to assemble something with gender changers, but I'm afraid I'd end up spending more than I did on the drive for a Frankenstien that I'm not even sure would work. So my question is, does anyone know where to find an adapter with male connectors? Or, for that matter, has anyone dealt with this sort of thing and have a better suggestion? Thanks in advance, Brian L. Stuart

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Punch Card Humor

by mythtech＠mac.com

>then took the extra time messing >with the control marks along the edge. > >I don't know if the changed control marks had anything to do >with it, but we never got the results back. I've heard (but never been able to test), that if you rub chapstick, or similar semi reflective goo, along the control lines of a ScanTron form, that it can't track where to check for an answer. Supposedly if this is done for exams (or similar right/wrong scoreing items), it will fail to see any answers, and thus not consider any wrong, so it will think everything is correct, giving you a perfect score. Now, I openly believe that something like chapstick can keep it from tracking where to look for an answer, but I find it harder to believe that ScanTron has their systems set to assume everything is correct, and only deduct those it finds wrong (seems like a setup like that would be way to easy to bypass... so I would think they would assume a score of Zero, and add up the right answers instead). Anyone have a ScanTron system they can try it on.... I have always wondered if it was true, or just one of those school age rumors. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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cdc 9766 disk drive

by vcf＠vintage.org

Can anyone help this guy? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:38:36 -0800 From: John Kaur <digitg(a)flash.net> To: vcf(a)vintage.org Subject: cdc 9766 disk drive Am looking for a cdc 9766 disk drive, removable pack, 300 mb, series # is BK-7A1A in working condition. One I am running on my old pdp-11 has spindle bearing problems. I live is Tucson, Arizona. Willing to pay, but need soon. John Kaur, 520-622-1006. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Punch Card Humor

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Too bad you didn't go to my high school, 1980-1982... > > I graduated in 1982. Ah, same time frame I was working for the schools (having graduated in 1975). > We didn't have any fancy scanners for scoring tests, our > teachers had to do that by hand. We did have a lot of the > scanned tests for standardized testing and such, but of > course those all were sent off for scoring. Indiana has had a strong committment to education during most of my life. We insitiuted a state-wide system for tracking student progress in basic skills beginning in 1980, and we did a good job, but failed to pilot the system; if you think you know something about what sysadmins call "lusers", imagine a group of people who talk all day to 2nd graders then you have to explain a command-driven interface to them... ...to make a long story short, basic skills testing got bad press from teachers in Indiana, even before the parents started getting a more accurate idea of how their kids were actually performing. -dq

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Punch Card Humor

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Anyone have a ScanTron system they can try it on.... I have always > wondered if it was true, or just one of those school age rumors. Thanks, Chris.... ScanTron was the small unit we had, and now I remember writing a suite of code at RETS to drive another one, this time, in BASIC and COBOL... The big scanner we had was a NCS Sentry , but can't recall the model number... -dq

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HP 9845B parts available

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Well, I dug it out and brought it home. I am willing to part it out. What I have is a 9845B with no monitor, interfaces, paper cover, Roms or Rom Carts. It does have it's tape drives and a good keyboard I am willing to sell or trade parts. I saved it mainly to see what it looks like inside. I have wanted to take it apart for years. I used to have several and kept this for parts. Now this is the only one I have left, sniff. Please contact me off list at whoagiii(a)aol.com I will ship parts internationally. Thanks, Paxton Astoria, OR 97103 USA

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Punch Card Humor

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> That reminds me of the time in High School when they had all > of us in the 12th grade fill out this scanned form asking > all sorts of information I didn't think they needed. The form > was the type filled out with a #2 pencil and optically scanned. > I filled mine out (more or less correct, leaving answers I > didn't want to give blank), then took the extra time messing > with the control marks along the edge. > > I don't know if the changed control marks had anything to do > with it, but we never got the results back. Too bad you didn't go to my high school, 1980-1982... We had two such scanners- a little one that you fed a master into that had "the answers" and then subsequently the student answer forms, and it checked and marked them directly. Then we had a monster that was also programmable, but wrote out a 9-track tape that we'd load onto the Kennedy on the Prime... but IIRC, we could not get it to deal with the multiple marks. So I had to write a PL/I program that would always mark wrong any question with multiple answers. ;)

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MicroVAX-II questions

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Christopher Smith wrote: > >> From: Doc Shipley [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] >> Everything VMS I've looked at says the DEQNA is unsupported in VMS >> >v5.2. Is that unsupported as in "don't call DEC/Compaq/HP", or >> unsupported as in "it don't work"? Am I stuck with NetBSD then? Does >> anyone know if NBSD will mop-boot over the DEQNA? I don't have VMS >> older than 6.2. > >ISTR that's correct, and that's unsupported as in "We never could get it >to work right, so you're on your own..." The suggested solution I've >seen is to replace it with a DELQA board. :) The warnings about "we'll soon de-support the DEQNA" started in release notes round about 1987. It lasted for at least another five years. Ethernet drivers used to use an interface called FFI - allegedly Flaming Fast Interface but that was presumably just for management consumption :-) Round about V5.4[-x] or V5.5[-x] this interface was replaced with a new shinier one (whose name I've either forgotten or never knew) and at that point the DEQNA was stated to have stopped working. I never actually tested this, but the DECnet folks (in whose group I was working) told me it just plain would not work - by design. The DEQNA was DEC's first Qbus ethernet interface and was IIRC basically a LANCE chip on a Qbus card, the LANCE chip being essentially a DEUNA-in-a-chip. The DEUNA was DEC's first ethernet interface. The DELQA was the result of what they learned from that experience. The Turbo-DELQA was a ROM upgrade that improved performance further. Antonio

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MicroVAX-II questions

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Allison [mailto:ajp166@bellatlantic.net] > >ISTR that's correct, and that's unsupported as in "We never > could get it > >to work right, so you're on your own..." The suggested > solution I've > >seen is to replace it with a DELQA board. :) > Wrong! Unsupported means don't call if it don't work. It That is more or less what I said, I think. :) I didn't mean that they didn't work at all, just that they'd had a lot of problems with them (so I hear), and replaced them because of it. > does not mean > it will not work. It does work and if the DEQNA is working > as it should > (some dont) with few problems. It was done to retire the DEQNA as a > then very old design that was replaced by the better, lower > cost DELQA. > You can get away with a DEQNA as late as 5.4-4, I'm running one! Tried 5.5? I have that version, so it would be interesting to know. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Top collectable machines

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Chad Fernandez [mailto:fernande@internet1.net] > I have one friend that refers to me as owning a Univax. If you own _one_ VAX, it may be more proper -- UniVAX, as opposed to a VAXCluster. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Punch Card Humor

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Some detective work revealed the source of the errors. > The dye used in the blue punch cards was slightly hygroscopic. > The absorbed water made all the blue cards slightly longer than > the rest, just long enough to throw off the reader. > Years ago, in the book "Steal this Book", Abbie Hoffman suggested that anytime you end up with a punch card, in order to be a troublemaker, soak the card in some solution that, once the card is dried, has cause it to shrink uniformly so that it will jam the reader. As you can see, he wasn't much of a "fan" of "the system". -dq

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Seen on RISKS-L

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Eric J. Korpela [mailto:korpela@ssl.berkeley.edu] > Sent: 07 March 2002 18:24 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Seen on RISKS-L > > >The BBC's 1986 Domesday Project (a time capsule containing > sound, images, > >video and data defining life in Britain) is now unreadable. > The data was > >stored on 12-inch video discs that were only readable by the > BBC Micro, of > >which only a handful still exist. The time capsule contains What horse crap (as we all know)! Typical bloody uk journalists who can't be arsed to research a story properly. If they want to see if it's *really* still unreadable give the disks to me and I'll use them in my own Domesday machine, based on one of those *wow*r@re* BBC Micros. Or do they mean the discs themselves aren't readable anymore, regardless of whether you've got a Domesday machine or not? a

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Thinning the heard

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>PS. Does anybody know of a source of datasheets (PDF) online for the the >really old chips like RTL,DTL,74Hxx,74Lxx? You still can find the chips >but not the data. freetradezone is (effectively) gone now but I guess they would have had all this stuff. For TTL, I managed to get some CDs direct from TI: "Logic Selection Guide and Databook" "Designer's Guide and Databook" One or other of these has the TTL stuff. I did this a few years ago when I went to their website, found the technical literature section, clicked on the ones I wanted and filled in my employer's address. CDs turned up in the post, free, about two weeks later. Same thing worked for the Intel Developer CDs - these turned up quarterly for a while. I cannot find the sign up section anymore so I guess they've stopped (or they are somewhat more selective ...!) Motorola, Amtel, AMD and Cypress have all sent CDs too. It does save downloading and it certainly saves a good deal of space on the shelves too! Antonio

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MicroVAX-II questions

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Doc Shipley [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > >> Everything VMS I've looked at says the DEQNA is unsupported in VMS >> >v5.2. Is that unsupported as in "don't call DEC/Compaq/HP", or >> unsupported as in "it don't work"? Am I stuck with NetBSD then? Does >> anyone know if NBSD will mop-boot over the DEQNA? I don't have VMS >> older than 6.2. > >ISTR that's correct, and that's unsupported as in "We never could get it >to work right, so you're on your own..." The suggested solution I've >seen is to replace it with a DELQA board. :) Wrong! Unsupported means don't call if it don't work. It does not mean it will not work. It does work and if the DEQNA is working as it should (some dont) with few problems. It was done to retire the DEQNA as a then very old design that was replaced by the better, lower cost DELQA. You can get away with a DEQNA as late as 5.4-4, I'm running one! I was a digit then, and it was significant to my projects so I was in the loop as it were. Allison

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Punch Card Humor

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > Years ago, in the book "Steal this Book", Abbie Hoffman > > suggested that anytime you end up with a punch card, in > > order to be a troublemaker, soak the card in some solution > > that, once the card is dried, has cause it to shrink > > uniformly so that it will jam the reader. > > As you can see, he wasn't much of a "fan" of "the system". > > Why not just punch some extra holes in it? > /* was quite useful with 360 JCL Hmmm... that sounds familiar, he may have suggested that as an alternative method, using a razor blade... he'd have been pretty clueless about a keypunch, I think (although he started as a suit-and-tie guy). -dq

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Top collectable machines

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: R. D. Davis [mailto:rdd@rddavis.org] > Don't you mean a MultiVAX? :-) :-) :-) Maybe the dual-cpu VAX-11 configuration could be considered a MultiVAX? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Thinning the heard

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Dan Wright wrote: > > > how about this: whoever's giving away the equipment can do it in whatever way > > they damn well please? it's their stuff, after all... sheesh. > > Finally, some sense! Agreed. We associate here my mutual choice, and we haven;t chose to create a communal organizational structure (and a commune simply won'y work with most groupings of people[0]) [0] ObCommFactoid: not slamming communes, but having lived in one for nine months, I can tell you it takes a special group of people to make it work, and we weren't sufficiently special..

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OT: PayPal = payola?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Interesting one here... While composing a reply in Outlook 2001 (on a Mac OSX 10.1.2), I wrote 'PayPal'. Since I have the program check spelling before sending :-) it came up and thought I meant to write 'payola' instead of PayPal. Think M$ is trying to say something? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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OT: national control of internet

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Sellam said: >...governments want to try to control the >content, for various political and social reasons (political dissent, >porn, etc.) As we all know, try as they might, they won't be able to >control it, .... There is a scary article in last week's Weekly Standard that makes this a more shaky proposition. Basically the contention in the article is that the internet in China effectively *has* been placed under the control of the Chinese government. The key technology there has been developed by Cisco, AT&T, and other telecom giants given suitable financial inducement by the chinese government, and as I understood the article, it involves putting firewalls around the entire country, with enough power to sniff packets for subversive terms to effectively render the internet unusable to elements unfriendly to the government. The article does hold out hope, based on cryptography, "pirate" links from Hong Kong, etc. Anyway, I'm not currently convinced that internet access is currently synonomous with freedom of information exchange. - Mark

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