- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

This is funny (ebay)

by fernande＠internet1.net

SCSI to serial cable :-) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2004730888 Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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Free books in Irvine, CA - mostly Apple IIc/e

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

Pick-up or pay shipping-all books, no software: 1. Multiscribe for Apple IIe/IIc 2. Multiscribe Picture Manager 3. Multiscribe Fontpak 4. Claris Appleworks 5. -- Getting Started 6. -- Quick Reference Card 7. -- Tutorial 8. -- Reference 9. 26 BASIC programs for your micro-Derrick Daines 1982 10. Tandy 1000 MS-DOS Reference 11. Practical Guide to Tandy 1000EX 12. Practical Guide to Tandy 1000TX 13. Apple II Appleworks Tutorial 14. Apple IIc Scribe User's Manual 15. Apple IIc Imagewriter User's Manual __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/

23 years, 9 months

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Sokolov Compression & gzcompat

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 14, Doc wrote: > Speaking of, I've sort of blindly assumed that "cab kit" is "cabinet > connector kit" and refers to everything from the adapter board to the > bulkhead plate and connector. Is that more-or-less accurate? Yup. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

23 years, 9 months

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SPARCBook2 battery wanted

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

Anyone happen to have a spare battery for a SPARCBook2? My newest toy runs fine on the power adapter, but it's not as much fun as it could be. I'm interested even if it doesn't hold a charge-- new cells aren't that hard to install. Bob

23 years, 9 months

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info on IBM 4-slot PCMCIA controller

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

So far, all I've found is two or three references to it on IBM's site. Nothing comes up for the part number 40G1041. At least, I think it's the part number-- it looks like all the other part numbers. Pretty sure it's on topic too, at least the 82365s on the back are dated '92. Anyone know what the settings are? It's got a 4-position DIP switch for `SLOT ADDR, `IRQ', and `ROM ADDR', and also a slide-switch marked `BLK1 BLK0'. I wonder what that does. I hope I can put this thing to use--it's really pretty nice, at least to look at. It's got little solenoids to physically lock the cards in the slot. Only trouble (aside from not knowing what it's set for) is that it's just a hair too wide to fit into the two computers I've tried it in so far. Hope I can find something to put it in! Bob

23 years, 9 months

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Netscape Mail, was Re: HTML in EMAIL

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

lessee, I use OutlookExpress at times, with the right settings it's pretty solid and can be made virus proof! Hint, disable VBSscripting! Why anyone would link a programming language to email is beyond me. Disabling COMx and ActiveX controls is easy enough. There is no excuse for HTML unless someone set a system profile removing those controls >from reach, in that case us you own system not the companies. Propagating bugs like Loveletter is an example of user ignorance. I also like RFDmail, an old shareware Win3.1 program that runs fine under Win/nt4. It's even better as it's HTML dumb, virus proof and generally knows little of mime types that are not clear text. Nyetscrap communicator is fairly nice and complete. Plenty setable. My prefered version is communicator4.75, browser 4.08. Both downloadable free last I looked. Then there are the longer list of freeware mailers. Theres no excuse for living with crud. There is also no excuse for not knowing how to "drive" what you have. Allison

23 years, 9 months

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VCF on MediaTelevision

by mhstein＠canada.com

It just aired tonight; cool! I have some 300bd modems that are bigger than yours, nyah, nyah! Freedom Fighters? Revolutionaries? Wow! And I thought we were just weirdos & nerds... Nice car beside the loading dock; yours, Sellam? Maybe the next time we take up a collection it should be for you. mike ---------Original Message------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:12:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)vintage.org> Subject: VCF on MediaTelevision If any of you get MediaTelevision (a Canadian program) you can see a segment on the VCF sometime this week. There's a blurb on the segment on their website: http://www.mediatv.net/ After the Flash intro, there's a link called "VINTAGE COMPUTER" you can click on. I'm getting a copy of the taped segment sent to me. - -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival

23 years, 9 months

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RT-11 and Supnik emulator

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> I have the rt4 and rt53 disks and the emulator... > > RL, 4 units > unit 0, 2621KW, attached to rtv4_rk.dsk, write enabled, RL01 > unit 1, 2621KW, not attached, write enabled, autosize > unit 2, 2621KW, not attached, write enabled, autosize > unit 3, 2621KW, not attached, write enabled, autosize > sim> boot rl0 > > ?BOOT-U- I/O error > > > HALT instruction, PC: 000724 (BR 722) > sim> > > What is the proper incantation to boot this? What is your host OS/architecture? What version of the emulator are you running. Basically you're doing the correct thing to boot. Zane

23 years, 9 months

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NetBSD Boot tape for MVII

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> > I think the DEQNA board is dead, even before I started moving things Not unlikely. >around on the QBus. (Yes, there'll be Yet Another "Broke My QBus" Post) >I haven't ever been able to get it even to light up the AUI terminator. Ok, Check fuses, there are two if memory serves, one on patch pannel cable to the board (a visible fuse holder!), the other is on the board. Even a dead board will power the AUI though that's about all. FYI: there is a lineup for what order the DEQNA(DELQA) and TK50 controllers must go on the bus relative to the other IO cards. > I have NetBSD running on the VS4000/60 and a TK50Z-GA that works. I >can tar to /dev/rst0 and then retrieve the archive all day long. When >my boot tape wouldn't boot on the MV, I wondered if its TK50 is toast, >so I've been trying to boot the 4000 to test the tape. > All the sources say to: The Drive in the -GA will be the same as the one in the MV so you can swap it in. Do make sure the TK50 controller has the dip switches set right as some were easily bumped on install. > Trying it on the MVII gets essentially the same results. No >meaningful error message, just the HALT instruction. MVII has a very limited console boot and diagnostic compared to later models so it's not very talkative. Allison

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RT-11 and Supnik emulator

by rhudson＠cnonline.net

I have the rt4 and rt53 disks and the emulator... RL, 4 units unit 0, 2621KW, attached to rtv4_rk.dsk, write enabled, RL01 unit 1, 2621KW, not attached, write enabled, autosize unit 2, 2621KW, not attached, write enabled, autosize unit 3, 2621KW, not attached, write enabled, autosize sim> boot rl0 ?BOOT-U- I/O error HALT instruction, PC: 000724 (BR 722) sim> What is the proper incantation to boot this? :^) thanks!

23 years, 9 months

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ZX-TEAM meeting and Webcam

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

Here's a last-minute note to remind my fellow ZX81 enthusiasts that the 6th annual ZX-TEAM meeting in Dietges, near Fulda, Germany, is to be held this weekend. Admission is free. Accommodations are available at the meeting place for about US $50 per person *for the whole weekend,* including bed and meals (really, really good meals, too) from Friday night through Sunday morning. Trust me, it's worth the trip just for the bockwurst and potato salad ;>) (Sellam, why can't you get us a deal like this for VCF/VCF East???) Contact Peter Liebert-Adelt at peter(a)zx81.de for reservations. For those who can't attend but want to check out the meeting, the ZX-TEAM Webcam and chat should be online from 2100 - 2300 GMT this Friday and Saturday if the phone line at the meeting place is up to the task. To check out last year's meeting, go to: http://home.t-online.de/home/p.liebert/meet_f_e.htm Keep on ZXin'! Glen 0/0

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DEC3000/300X memory?

by ken＠seefried.com

From: Roger Merchberger <zmerch(a)30below.com> >Rumor has it that Zane H. Healy may have mentioned these words: >>> Does anyone know a good, inexpensive source for the proprietary 32MB >>> DEC3000/300 memory SIMMS. >> >>Are they in fact proprietary? I thought that it used the same as a >>DEC3000/300LX. With the 300LX, if I remember correctly, all you need is >>72-pin True Parity SIMMs. > >AFAIK, it's standard parity memory as well... > Well...proprietary might be too strong a word, but no, regular 32MB parity memory does not work in a 3000/300. The 32MB SIMMs have an extra resistor on them that the machine uses to detect that they are different. See http://www.bucks.edu/alpha-osf-managers/Jul1998-59.html, among others (google if you need more). I've also got dozen or so regular 32MB true parity SIMMs out of PeeCees that I've verified don't work... Now...any old 70ns, true parity 8MB SIMMs will work, and I've got 8 of those in their already. Oh, yeah...FYI...the 3000/300 takes 8MB or 32MB memory only. Ken

23 years, 9 months

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DEC3000/300X memory?

by ken＠seefried.com

Does anyone know a good, inexpensive source for the proprietary 32MB DEC3000/300 memory SIMMS. I'd like to give my 3000 (300X in a rackmount kit) some longer legs. Ken

23 years, 9 months

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Heads up... free MVII/PDP-11 on eBay UK

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>Alistair (who wonders if he needs to buy a bigger car ... ) Honestly, if it won't take a BA23, the answer is a definite yes :-) Antonio (who just seems to have been saved a trip:-) )

23 years, 9 months

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Atari stuff wanted.

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

I'm looking for atari stuff, 800 xl or better, 1050 disk drive, etc... anyone have any they'd be interested in parting with for a good / appreciate home?

23 years, 9 months

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Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by mythtech＠mac.com

> Chris , I'm sorry, you're totally wrong. The 26 pin connector is for an >Apple Audio Vision monitor. No F--king Dongle. I said a number of times, I have NOT used the DOS card that works with the 630/6100... and that is the card in question. But I CAN tell you that EVERY OTHER dos card Apple made, needs a video dongle... and they ALL connect via a DB-26 connector on the back of the DOS card... which is exactly what the person described on the back of their DOS card. Now, it is quite possible that Apple put an AppleVision port on the 630/6100 DOS card, why, I would have NO idea, since the 630 can't use an applevision monitor... but maybe they did. HOWEVER, on the back of the 6100... is an HDI-45 video port... THAT is an AppleVision video port. That is NOT the same thing as the DB-26 on the DOS cards. Totally different port, totally different function. BUT... I have heard that you do not need a video dongle with the 630/6100 DOS card... I just can't confirm it one way or the other... and again, since they are describing EXACTLY what will happen to a Quadra 610 Houdini DOS card if the dongle is not connected... I felt it was a good guess that they might in fact need one. Now I am REALLY going to have to get 630/6100 DOS card... just so I can figure out once and for all if it needs a video dongle (or do you prefer the term... video loopback connector) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 9 months

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Netscape Mail, was Re: HTML in EMAIL

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > Is there any reason why I should switch away from PINE on a TELNET > session? Only if you like Elm better. :) Of course, there's the problem that more and more people can't telnet into their mail host. At which point, you could still use pine -- or pc pine if you insist on using windows -- and just make it use pop. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 9 months

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Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

Aha! The plot thickens. Reply from the previous owner: ------------ > This [cable] seems to be missing! Do > you think perhaps it is hiding somewhere in your garage? > I think I must have it somewhere--I can picture what you're talking about. Will look when I get back from my trip. ------------ Sounds like this may be the answer to my problems. :) If/when she finds it and I install it, I'll send a re: to the list. Thanks again, everyone! -- MB

23 years, 9 months

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Heads up... free MVII/PDP-11 on eBay UK

by AlistairMacDonald＠economist.com

=== andyh(a)andyh-rayleigh.freeserve.co.uk 14/03/2002 15:43:03 === >> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1338982069 >> Apparently, this chap has a free PDP11 & MicroVax-II going to >> a good home... >> >The PDP-11/73 will be taking a car journey here next week ... I think - but >am not sure - that the Vax is also spoken for. It is 8-) Alistair (who wonders if he needs to buy a bigger car ... )

23 years, 9 months

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Suptnik and RT-11

by rhudson＠cnonline.net

Hi, All What is RT-11 most like? Will it run on Bob Suptnik's emulator?

23 years, 9 months

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DEC3000/300X memory?

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Does anyone know a good, inexpensive source for the proprietary 32MB > DEC3000/300 memory SIMMS. I'd like to give my 3000 (300X in a rackmount > kit) some longer legs. > > Ken Are they in fact proprietary? I thought that it used the same as a DEC3000/300LX. With the 300LX, if I remember correctly, all you need is 72-pin True Parity SIMMs. Zane

23 years, 9 months

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Heads up... free MVII/PDP-11 on eBay UK

by timwa＠snowgoons.fsnet.co.uk

Hi all, At times like this, I wish I had a car. Of course, if I did I'd need to learn to drive it, so it's a bit of a moot point... Given that, the following is no use to me but someone else in the UK may like to know about the following auction... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1338982069 Apparently, this chap has a free PDP11 & MicroVax-II going to a good home... Cheers, Tim. -- Tim Walls at home in Croydon - Reply to tim(a)snowgoons.fsnet.co.uk

23 years, 9 months

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Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Wow, ok. She had me convinced that it "always worked" in this >configuration, but that's clearly not true. She must've forgotten all >about the Mega-Dongle. Well... there is a chance she is right. If this was the "Houdini" card that worked with the 610 (or the Reply branded version)... of if this was the 7" or 12" 586 or Pentium cards that work with MANY of the PCI powermacs... then I could speak with much more certainty. BUT... I have never personally worked with (nor own) the card that works with the 630 and 6100. I have heard rumor that they in fact do not need a dongle, but the problem you are describing, fits with what will happen on a 610 if the dongle isn't present... so that makes me think that you DO in fact need a dongle for the 630/6100 card. Anyone have one of those cards they want to give me? (hopefully including the dongle if it is needed). It would round out my DOS card collection nicely. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 9 months

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HPIB ISA cards

by jwbirdsa＠picarefy.com

Who was looking for HP-IB cards? I found three genuine HP 82335 cards (8-bit ISA) this morning. Condition unknown but they're almost mint out of the box visually. Available to whoever wants them for postage ($3.50 each in the US). --James B.

23 years, 9 months

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Commodore tape drive

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

I have a commodore tape drive from a Vic 20, it may also work with a C= 64 it's available for postage if anyone is interested, I need to know if there's interest in the tape drive by this Friday, the 15th, otherwise it's off to goodwill for it.

23 years, 9 months

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Interesting places in Chicago area?

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

IIT is around 33rd Street, near the White Sox ball park; MSI is at 57th street, 3 miles to the south and just east of the University of Chicago (8 hundreds, e.g. 32nd Street to 40th Street, is a mile) The MSI is about 2 miles _east_ of Michigan Ave. Best way to get there is by Lake Shore Drive. You can get to IIT from the Dan Ryan Expressway. Neither area is that safe at night. During the day, the IIT campus itself is OK, but the area around it has a number of housing projects. The area north and west of the University of Chicago/MSI is a bit dicey, also. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Dan Wright [mailto:dtwright@uiuc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 10:48 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Interesting places in Chicago area? Russ Blakeman said: <snip> > > On the BW map you'll see where Ill Inst of tech is (known as IIT) - that's > the general area where MSI is at - it should be just east of IIT on 55th. Of > course there are other ways too, like going downtown when you dome into the > city on I-290 then going south on Michigan Ave (less of "the hood" to to go > thru, a lot longer trip) Yeah...but don't go visit IIT. seriously. the museum is on the museum campus by the lake, which is pretty safe and nice, but you REALLY don't want to go much west of there, especially if you're not from the area... <snip>

23 years, 9 months

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Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by mythtech＠mac.com

>The 26 pin connector is for an Apple AV monitor. Kind of like the >Commodore 1084S, only with Apples usual proprietory greed it has a >different connector. Cant remember the name but it is possibly HDI-26 or >maybe HDI-45. Most of the AV Power Macs also had another card which >would take the Apple 15 pin monitor as well as having 4 S-Video ports. > > With the AudioVision monitor this would allow you to use 2 monitors at the >same time, as well as sound systems perhaps. No I've never tried it. You are describing a different thing that I was talking about. I was referencing the DB 26 on the back of the DOS card. You are talking about the video connectors on the Mac itself. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 9 months

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Interesting places in Chicago area?

by g＠kurico.com

I'll be in the Chicago metro area later this week. Any interesting places to visit (from a classiccmp perspective that is)? George

23 years, 9 months

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1101 RAM Chips Needed

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 13, Bill Richman wrote: > As previously posted, I recently finished building a Mark-8 computer > (8008-based). It works great - in fact, I just added an EPROM board so I > can run demo programs and eventually bootstrap from paper tape last night. > The problem is, I only have 256 bytes of RAM. I would like to find 3 more > banks (24 chips) worth of 1101 RAM chips. If anyone has any they'd like > to trade for a brand new Harris 1802 microprocessor (build your own ELF!) > or other chips, or cash, please let me know. Hey! Let's see some pics of that Mark-8! -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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OT: name that computer

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 10, Chad Fernandez wrote: > Not really. "I Dream of Genie" was a popular show way back when. I > used to watch it in reruns in the afternoon when I was a kid in the > 80's. Me too. Mmmm, Barbara Eden. She runs around in that little skimpy outfit calling that guy "Master"...what do YOU think is going on there? ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

23 years, 9 months

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Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by mythtech＠mac.com

>The video dongle looks like a simple cable, but it must have some sort of >electronic switch in it as well. >It switches the monitor between the PCs video output and the Mac's video >output. > >As a workaround, however, I remember that you CAN plug in two monitors >simultaneously -- one that shows >what is going on on the PC and another, the Mac... I don't think there is a switch in the cable, but rather I think it loops some signals back to the PC card, which causes the switch over. And yes, you can plug two monitors in, and run both at the same time... BUT... you still need the dongle to do that... as the dongle is the only way to get the video OFF the older DOS cards. If you want to run two monitors, you just don't plug the loopback portion into the Mac's video. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 9 months

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Grid 1520 LT Password

by lgwalker＠mts.net

I finally got my Grid 1520 , which was locked Reply to: lgwalker(a)mts.net Love of the Goddess makes the poet go mad he goes to his death and in death is made wise. Robert Graves

23 years, 9 months

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Tatung Einstein disks

by einy＠coxa.fsnet.co.uk

Downloads for the tatung einstein tc01 and other info at"http://members.lycos.co.uk/albertstc01"

23 years, 9 months

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Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Question: There is a three-row, 26-pin port on the PC card, for some >external device to plug in to. What is this? Looking over the fact that it always hangs at the same place... I think what is happening is, it IS booted into the PC... only that 26pin connector is for the video dongle, and without it, you just aren't seeing the PC screen. There should be a cable that plugs into that port. That cable will then have an RGB video connector to go to a monitor, an RGB video connector to go to the Mac's video out port, and a PC Joy stick port. It looks like the card you have is just like all the others... without that dongle, the card is useless. FINDING a dongle is next to impossible without getting a whole new card. Some day I will have to sit down and pinout one of my Dongles, so that I can at least make available a wiring diagram for others to make new ones. >Awesome, thanks for the link! Why is the corresponding Apple FTP site's >folder empty then? Grrr. Made me think they'd pulled their whole software >archive except for patches. Apple reorganized their software archives a while back... and they made a total mess of things. Some stuff is located in odd places, some stuff was moved but links not updated... ugh... its a mess for anything in the old discontinued software. >One thing I noticed, dunno if it's at all relevant, but when I try to >click the popup menu for "Sharing" (this is in the PC Setup panel) it >gives me the following error message: "No PC drive letters available. Make >sure that "MACSHARE" has been started on the PC and "LASTDRIVE" is set to >an appropriate value in your "CONFIG.SYS"." I assume this is for file >sharing Mac data to the PC side, so at the moment I don't need to care >about that problem...right? Yeah, this is only for hosting a shared folder between the Mac and PC. It is a VERY nice feature. Basically, you assign a folder on the Mac side, and that becomes a drive letter on the PC side... so anything in that folder is read/write accessable from both worlds. But it needs a driver installed on the PC before you can configure it. That driver is part of the PC half of the installer software (I'm not sure it is available on Apple's web site... if not, let me know, I'll send you an image of one of my disks... although, you SHOULD be able to use the PC drivers that come with the 1.6.4 version of the PC Setup software, and those I believe are on Apple's site). I would expect you to see the error you are seeing right now, as you can't assign a drive letter until AFTER the PC is up and running properly, and the driver is installed. I would check with the person that gave you the mac, see if they still have the video dongle. If they kept the old monitor, they may have left it connected to the monitor (I have seen that done a few times... people don't realize the dongle goes to the computer, they figure it is part of the monitor and try to keep it). If you can't find one, let me know... maybe I can pinout one of mine so you can build a new one (anyone have a suggestion on the best way to pinout an odd cable? Or am I just stuck using a continuity tester and going from pin to pin looking to see what connects where?) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Free: older hardware, mainly PC

by fernande＠internet1.net

Hello, This is what I still have left. You pay shipping. Please reply off list. -IBM 68X3815 MFM hard drive controller from AT with original cables -various mfm cables -IBM PC Network Baseband Adpater/A (new in the box, Microchannel) -Microchannel 4 port serial board (uses 16450 uart chips, but they are replaceable, with cable) -Intel 386dx-33 with glued on heatsink -386dx compatible or upgrade chip, maybe Cyrix, I glued the heatsink on, can't tell exactly what it is anymore :-) -IBM keyboard cable for PC or XT, I think, maybe AT. It's not from a Model M -db25 to db9 convertor -1/2 height faceplate for Seagate ST225 -IBM PC (5150) full height block off plate for unused second drive bay -Fellows EMI glare shield for 14" to 15" monitor -2 internal narrow scsi cable with external centronics connector (ask for measurements) -long 5 device narrow scsi cable (generic) -3 two device narrow scsi cables -1 two foot single device narrow scsi cable (folded for low cross section) -several vary short narrow scsi cables, some with connectors like you would find on a card Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

23 years, 9 months

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HPIB ISA cards

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 14, jwbirdsa(a)picarefy.com wrote: > Who was looking for HP-IB cards? I found three genuine HP 82335 cards > (8-bit ISA) this morning. Condition unknown but they're almost mint out > of the box visually. Available to whoever wants them for postage ($3.50 > each in the US). Does anyone have programming info for these? If so, I'm interested in one or two...might wanna try to write a NetBSD device driver for them. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

23 years, 9 months

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Suptnik and RT-11

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Bob Shannon <bshannon(a)tiac.net> >IMHO, CP/M is unquestionably a direct rip-off of RT-11. Killdal did say that DEC OSs (TOPS, OS8 and RT11) were the inspiration. However, one place where CP/M was not like RT-11 was the file system as CP/M did dynamic allocation with fragmentation where RT-11 does not support fragmented files. All RT-11 files (OS8 too) are contigious. In that respect RT-11 file system is most identical to NS* DOS but the NS* dos command structure and IO are must unlike RT-11. Internally RT-11 and CP/M are very dissimilar save for some underlying concepts such as an overlayable monitor, a modular resident IO subsystem and file handler. Allison

23 years, 9 months

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One can only hope

by lists＠subatomix.com

One of my previous employers builds industrial security and facility management systems. A friend from the company told me the other day that a customer's site (a jail) has some old PDP-11 equipment that they will likely no longer need when their new system is installed. The friend said that the jail people said there was a 11/70 there, but he wasn't certain that they were certain. If I'm lucky, I may get to do some, um, contract work removing the old PDP-11. I'm sure I could quote them a very reasonable rate. -- Jeffrey Sharp The email address lists(a)subatomix.com is for mailing list traffic. Please send off-list mail to roach jay ess ess at wasp subatomix beetle dot com. You may need to remove some bugs first.

23 years, 9 months

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Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

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23 years, 9 months

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VCF on MediaTelevision

by vcf＠vintage.org

If any of you get MediaTelevision (a Canadian program) you can see a segment on the VCF sometime this week. There's a blurb on the segment on their website: http://www.mediatv.net/ After the Flash intro, there's a link called "VINTAGE COMPUTER" you can click on. I'm getting a copy of the taped segment sent to me. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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1A2 phone system

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I may be wrong but I thought that it had to be N+1. Joe At 02:46 PM 3/13/02 -0600, Mike wrote: > >... > >Which were (and are) trivially circumvented by flashing the switchhook >the n times, where n is the digit you wanted to dial, and pausing a >second or two in between each digit. > >--Mike >

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9915A

by roosmcd＠dds.nl

Hello, > Nice find! I have a couple of these and ONE keyboard. It took me four > years of serious searching to find it! About two months ago I noticed a complete HP-85 (tapes, manuals and a 19" rack with HP-IB equipment) at a local industial recycling facility and told this to a friend of mine. He immediately wanted to buy this, but when I asked, it was already sold... So this weekend I was at a HAM market and saw some manuals with HP-85 printed on them and underneath was the 9915a, which I didn't recognize at the moment. I talked a bit to the guy selling it and got it for EUR 20 (about $20), which I hope is a good price. > AFIK this is the only keyboard around. They are EXTREMELY rare! Am I correct in thinking that with the keyboard I can use the 9915A as a HP- 85? Or is the keyboard just a row of digital inputs which can be read out by a basic program? Can I do anything usefull with a HPIB terminal? Somebody on the sunrescue list mailed me this, but then I've tried a terminal with the serial card and that didn't work.. > The tape approach is the easiest to use EXCEPT just about all the 9915 and HP > 85 tape drive rollers have gone soft with age. Aha, I also haven't gotten any tapes... Are these still obtainable somewhere? > I've made a schematic of it. I'll try to find it but I'm not promising that > I'll be able to. The "keyboard" connector is also used to output some > status and control signals so be carefull if you start experimenting with > it. I've been looking for a long time but I've only been able to find a > couple of manuals for the 9915 and they're not very helpfull. Those schematics would be nice if you found them, I haven't tried hooking up anything to the keyboard ports yet in fear of breaking something. The manuals I have are: HP-85 Owner's manual and programming guide (2x) Printer/plotter owner's manual I/O programming guide HPIB installation and theory of operation manual HPIB peripheral installation instructions registration and warranty cards :) regards, Michiel

23 years, 9 months

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What would a 20th Anniversary pdp11/93 be worth?

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

Pictures, please... Megan

23 years, 9 months

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NetBSD Boot tape for MVII

by kees.stravers＠iae.nl

On 2002-03-13 classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org said to kees.stravers(a)iae.nl >Has anybody actually gotten a NetBSD boot tape to work? >Doc There is an image of a bootable tape of NetBSD 1.4.3 which works well. It is in ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-1.4.3/vax/installation/ The install docs in the vax directory explain its use. Kees. -- kees.stravers(a)iae.nl My site about the DEC VAX computer Geldrop, The Netherlands http://www.vaxarchive.org http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/ Member of Insomniacs Anonymous Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Registered

23 years, 9 months

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Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

Yes, that IS the answer. The video dongle looks like a simple cable, but it must have some sort of electronic switch in it as well. It switches the monitor between the PCs video output and the Mac's video output. As a workaround, however, I remember that you CAN plug in two monitors simultaneously -- one that shows what is going on on the PC and another, the Mac... It is actually pretty cool -- just requires lots of desk space ... > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris [SMTP:mythtech@mac.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 2:42 PM > To: Classic Computer > Subject: Re: Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS > > >Question: There is a three-row, 26-pin port on the PC card, for some > >external device to plug in to. What is this? > > Looking over the fact that it always hangs at the same place... I think > what is happening is, it IS booted into the PC... only that 26pin > connector is for the video dongle, and without it, you just aren't seeing > the PC screen. > > There should be a cable that plugs into that port. That cable will then > have an RGB video connector to go to a monitor, an RGB video connector to > go to the Mac's video out port, and a PC Joy stick port. > > It looks like the card you have is just like all the others... without > that dongle, the card is useless. FINDING a dongle is next to impossible > without getting a whole new card. Some day I will have to sit down and > pinout one of my Dongles, so that I can at least make available a wiring > diagram for others to make new ones. > > >Awesome, thanks for the link! Why is the corresponding Apple FTP site's > >folder empty then? Grrr. Made me think they'd pulled their whole software > > >archive except for patches. > > Apple reorganized their software archives a while back... and they made a > total mess of things. Some stuff is located in odd places, some stuff was > moved but links not updated... ugh... its a mess for anything in the old > discontinued software. > > >One thing I noticed, dunno if it's at all relevant, but when I try to > >click the popup menu for "Sharing" (this is in the PC Setup panel) it > >gives me the following error message: "No PC drive letters available. > Make > >sure that "MACSHARE" has been started on the PC and "LASTDRIVE" is set to > > >an appropriate value in your "CONFIG.SYS"." I assume this is for file > >sharing Mac data to the PC side, so at the moment I don't need to care > >about that problem...right? > > Yeah, this is only for hosting a shared folder between the Mac and PC. It > is a VERY nice feature. Basically, you assign a folder on the Mac side, > and that becomes a drive letter on the PC side... so anything in that > folder is read/write accessable from both worlds. But it needs a driver > installed on the PC before you can configure it. That driver is part of > the PC half of the installer software (I'm not sure it is available on > Apple's web site... if not, let me know, I'll send you an image of one of > my disks... although, you SHOULD be able to use the PC drivers that come > with the 1.6.4 version of the PC Setup software, and those I believe are > on Apple's site). > > I would expect you to see the error you are seeing right now, as you > can't assign a drive letter until AFTER the PC is up and running > properly, and the driver is installed. > > > I would check with the person that gave you the mac, see if they still > have the video dongle. If they kept the old monitor, they may have left > it connected to the monitor (I have seen that done a few times... people > don't realize the dongle goes to the computer, they figure it is part of > the monitor and try to keep it). If you can't find one, let me know... > maybe I can pinout one of mine so you can build a new one (anyone have a > suggestion on the best way to pinout an odd cable? Or am I just stuck > using a continuity tester and going from pin to pin looking to see what > connects where?) > > -chris > > <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 13, Marion Bates wrote: > --- Chris and Martin K?ser both wrote: > There should be a cable that plugs into that port. That cable will then > have an RGB video connector to go to a monitor, an RGB video connector to > go to the Mac's video out port, and a PC Joy stick port. > --- end of quote --- > > Wow, ok. She had me convinced that it "always worked" in this configuration, but that's clearly not true. She must've forgotten all about the Mega-Dongle. *snort* *chuckle* BWAAAHAHHAAAAAA!!! -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

--- Chris and Martin K?ser both wrote: There should be a cable that plugs into that port. That cable will then have an RGB video connector to go to a monitor, an RGB video connector to go to the Mac's video out port, and a PC Joy stick port. --- end of quote --- Wow, ok. She had me convinced that it "always worked" in this configuration, but that's clearly not true. She must've forgotten all about the Mega-Dongle. I have emailed her to find out if she still has it somewhere. Fingers crossed... :) Thanks for all the help, everyone! -- MB

23 years, 9 months

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1A2 phone system

by PasserM＠umkc.edu

People even used to put key-switch locks on the phones that were wired to disable the dial so that someone couldn't make unauthorized calls if they had physical access to the phone. ... Which were (and are) trivially circumvented by flashing the switchhook the n times, where n is the digit you wanted to dial, and pausing a second or two in between each digit. --Mike

23 years, 9 months

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Suptnik and RT-11

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Ron Hudson <rhudson(a)cnonline.net> > >What is RT-11 most like? CP/M-80 was modeled after it, or DOS on PCs. Internally the file system is simpler but other aspects are more sophisticated. For IO it's more sophisticated than either DOS on pcs or CP/M though. >Will it run on Bob Suptnik's emulator? Yes. Allison

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Free: older hardware, mainly PC

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 13, Joe wrote: > >> > -Microchannel 4 port serial board (uses 16450 uart chips, but they are > >> > replaceable, with cable) > >> > >>I am just wondering what a non-replaceable 16450 chip is.. > > > >Soldered in? > > Potted? Heh...no, that was Sridhar last night. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

23 years, 9 months

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1A2 phone system

by Empirephone＠aol.com

Have a 1A2 phone system and I am having a hard time restricting the phones >from dialing out without disabling the key pad. Is there any way I can program or wire the phone so that I can disable it from making outside phone calls?? Let me know Sid

23 years, 9 months

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Stripped Indigo - worth how much?

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

At one of my usual haunts, while I was picking up a couple of $10 SPARC IPXs (with lotsa RAM and interesting Sbus cards) and an HP LJIIIsi (also $10), I ran across an unpriced Indigo. This means that it will be available for sale next week. The trick... it's been gutted. There's no RAM, no drives, I think no sleds, and several conspicuous empty sockets on the motherboard. There _are_ two large PCBs inside, and the PSU is present (but no guarantees it's working). Is this thing even worth $10? -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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Stripped Indigo - worth how much?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 13, 9:46, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > At one of my usual haunts, while I was picking up a couple of $10 SPARC > IPXs (with lotsa RAM and interesting Sbus cards) and an HP LJIIIsi (also > $10), I ran across an unpriced Indigo. This means that it will be > available for sale next week. The trick... it's been gutted. There's > no RAM, no drives, I think no sleds, and several conspicuous empty > sockets on the motherboard. There _are_ two large PCBs inside, and the > PSU is present (but no guarantees it's working). > > Is this thing even worth $10? Depends on what's missing. If there are empty spaces for IC's on the CPU board, probably not unless the skins are in good condition and you want them to replace a scratched set. The special SGI SIMMs (I'm assuming this is an R3000 Indigo) aren't that hard to find. If it's the graphics board that's missing ICs, it may be OK -- depending on which graphics board it is. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 9 months

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OT: name that computer

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Sridhar the POWERful wrote: > > The 50's was the time of the closeted sexual deviant. Closeted sexual > > deviants ran this country. > > Is it different now? I think he had drag queens like Herbert J. Hoover in mind... a psycho who also kept a noted heroin addict supplied with their fix, the addict in question being the doctor of our beloved Sen. Joseph McCarthy... the things you learn once they're dead in the grave... just wait till Reagan's been gone a while... -dq

23 years, 9 months

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NetBSD Boot tape for MVII

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:04 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: NetBSD Boot tape for MVII > > <snip> > > It's possible to load a bootstrap and hang when the real > software kicks > in. I am debugging an H-11 that has an H-27 floppy interface > that won't > work in the chain but will let me load the bootstrap if I put > it behind > everything else with a gap (it seems to not let go of some Qbus signal > and when it's properly installed, I never get an ODT prompt). > > I don't know the particulars of the box you have, but BA23s have 3 CD > slots, not 4. > > -ethan Ethan, I figured you had already fixed your H-11, H-27 problem. I did some digging, and I do have the schematics (C size drawing) and the operation manual w/the theory of operation section. Contact me off-list and I'll get a copy to you. Gary ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************

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Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

Chris, Thanks for all the suggestions! See below... --- Chris wrote: >The PC side _seems_ to be booting up ok (I can hear faint Windows system >beeps, and the PC Setup control panel reports that "PC is running") but I >can't switch over. When I hit "switch to PC" the Mac's screen goes dimmer, >the cursor disappears, and the PC Clipboard becomes the active app, but >nothing else happens after a good 5 minutes of waiting. In the PC Setup control panel, change the C: drive to a new drive file, make it an brand new drive file, with nothing in it (just make a 5mb or something). Then boot the PC. You should get a BIOS boot screen, and eventually see a typical PC error of non system disk, replace and press a key. ---------- Okay, did that. Same result. ---------- If you don't get that far, then the card isn't working properly. At that point, I would verify it is installed correctly (I'm not sure if that model card needed a video dongle or not... the Q610 "Houdini" card does, and so does the later 586 and Pentium card, although the latter can use an internal video cable in place of the normal external one.) ---------- I took the whole thing out and removed/reseated everything. There was one small daughterboard, a long skinny board in the PCI slot (?) and a RAM simm. The only dongles I saw were sound and CD-ROM which I also unplugged and re-plugged. Didn't see any huge scorchmarks or anything like that. ;) Question: There is a three-row, 26-pin port on the PC card, for some external device to plug in to. What is this? ---------- After verifying the card is installed ok (fully seated, CD Audio cable is connected, and video dongle connected if needed), and it still doesn't boot... reinstall the Mac PC Setup software. You want version 1.5. You can get it here <http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html#doswin> v1.0.2 is for the Q610 card, v1.5 is for the Q630/PM6100 card, and v1.6.4 is for the later 586/Pentium cards. ---------- Awesome, thanks for the link! Why is the corresponding Apple FTP site's folder empty then? Grrr. Made me think they'd pulled their whole software archive except for patches. Anyway I just finished installing that, but result is the same regardless of which drive image I use. One thing I noticed, dunno if it's at all relevant, but when I try to click the popup menu for "Sharing" (this is in the PC Setup panel) it gives me the following error message: "No PC drive letters available. Make sure that "MACSHARE" has been started on the PC and "LASTDRIVE" is set to an appropriate value in your "CONFIG.SYS"." I assume this is for file sharing Mac data to the PC side, so at the moment I don't need to care about that problem...right? ---------- If is STILL doesn't boot... check to see if a ram chip is installed directly on the DOS card. If so, remove it. The cards are very picky over using the right chip. Remove an installed one, and then tell the PC Setup you want to share ram with the Mac (it should default to that automatically when it doesn't detect a chip installed). ---------- Okay, I pulled the RAM chip off. I selected the maximum amount of Mac RAM to share (32 MB) and rebooted to make that take effect. Same problem. ---------- If it STILL doesn't boot... let me know, we'll go from there. But by now, it should at least boot to the BIOS screen. Once you get to the BIOS screen, you can then either retry the old drive file, or just start from scratch and install DOS or Windows. The card you have officially supports up to Win95. ----------- What's weird is that when I try to switch to PC, I can hear DOS beeps, and I think I am in DOS because if I blindly type dir <return>, I can hear the hard drive clicking away in response. So it appears to be a video thing...? Previous owner said that she's never used a different video cable, port, monitor, etc. before and it worked fine til recently. ?? Maybe the card, or the video portion of the card, is in fact fried. Sigh. ----------- You should NOT have the drive file open and mounted on the Mac when you are trying to boot from the PC. And after changing drive files in the PC Setup control panel, you will need to reboot the PC (but not the Mac). --- end of quote --- Definitely do not have it mounted when I try this switch. Thanks again for all the help...any other ideas? -- MB

23 years, 9 months

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HP-97 Standard Pac Manual

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Anybody need/want this? $1 plus postage . . . . Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

23 years, 9 months

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NetBSD Boot tape for MVII

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Yes, I Read The Freaking Manual. I Googled. I went so far as to peruse the ClassicCmp mailing list archives. *Those* people are *strange*! I think the DEQNA board is dead, even before I started moving things around on the QBus. (Yes, there'll be Yet Another "Broke My QBus" Post) I haven't ever been able to get it even to light up the AUI terminator. Next choice is to boot NetBSD off the TK50. I have NetBSD running on the VS4000/60 and a TK50Z-GA that works. I can tar to /dev/rst0 and then retrieve the archive all day long. When my boot tape wouldn't boot on the MV, I wondered if its TK50 is toast, so I've been trying to boot the 4000 to test the tape. All the sources say to: # dd if=boot.fs of=/dev/nrst0 # mt -f /dev/nrst0 rewoffl Then to boot from the tape: >>> b/3 MKA500 ## on the VS4000 The tape saws around for a minute or so, shows; MKA500 then rewinds and aborts to console >>> Trying it on the MVII gets essentially the same results. No meaningful error message, just the HALT instruction. A clue would be greatly appreciated. Doc

23 years, 9 months

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New hard drive in an Indigo2

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] > I believe the Indigo2 was introduced in mid to late 1994. Oops, I thought it was 92. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 9 months

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Suptnik and RT-11

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Hi, All > > What is RT-11 most like? This one I cannot answer... > Will it run on Bob Suptnik's emulator? Yes, two versions are supplied on Bob's website. -dq

23 years, 9 months

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Interesting places in Chicago area?

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

American Science and Surplus does have some interesting things, but not too much in the way of electronics, and the prices are fairly high. I've never been to the store in Geneva, but if you go out to Fermi Lab, Geneva is not too far from Batavia, where Fermi is located. George, if you are interested, I can send you the email of someone at Fermi who is on the HPLX (HP Plamtop computer) mailing list. Used to be that Fermi was pretty open (with the Illinois Prairie Path running right through it), but after 9/11, they tightened up. I'm not sure if it has relaxed again. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Dan Veeneman [mailto:dan@ekoan.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 6:12 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Interesting places in Chicago area? I'd also be interested in hearing about places in the Chicago area, even as far out as Rockford and Milwaukee. Thrift shops in Chicagoland just aren't the same as the ones here in the Washington D.C. area, but for general hardware stuff an interesting chain to visit there is American Science and Surplus. I've been to the Chicago and Geneva stores in years past, and there's always something unusual or interesting -- but not necessarily computer-related. They have a website now, http://www.sciplus.com . Cheers, Dan http://www.decodesystems.com/wanted.html

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Museum of Science and Industry (was: Interesting places in Ch icago area?)

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

IIRC, they were in a great exhibit done by IBM -- not just computers, but math, statistics and probability also. I never tired of seeing it. Too bad that exhibit got pulled a number of years ago. Most of the exhibits have corporate sponsors, which often means they have the content and intellectual level of your average TV commercial. There is a new exibit on petroleum that includes two sections with arcade games (car racing and skiing). They are straight, unmodified arcade games. How they relate to petroleum one can only guess -- OK cars use gas, but what a waste of floor space. There are some good exhibits. The one on imaging is about 5 years old and makes good use of computer technology (SGI and Macs, IIRC). They also have one of the Burlington Zyphir trains (1930's stainless steel streamlined diesel). The Navy exhibit is interesing also. The Coal mine is still there, and has been updated. And the model railroad is still there -- a big O-gauge layout sponsored by Santa Fe. It is "computer controlled" and might by on-topic. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Jim Battle [mailto:frustum@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:56 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Museum of Science and Industry (was: Interesting places in Chicago area?) <snip> It was quite influential in my life path. Who knows, maybe I would have turned out the same, but besides all the cool off-topic stuff displayed there, two of the exhibits I still recall and are more on topic as they relate to computers. One exhibit was a little display about the size of a podium. It had an exposed PC board on top with heavy gauge copper in an odd pattern. A metal "pen" was used to draw a digit from 0 to 9, and based on which traces you touched and the sequence you touched them in, it would display what digit you had written. On the front was the schematic of the thing, containing many dozens of transistors. Was it the first palm pilot? This was probably around 1974 or so. The other display I recall vividly was the tic-tac-toe machine implemented as a clacking relay computer. You could see the relays activating behind the plexiglass. <snip> I visited there about five years ago and it didn't hold the same appeal. I don't know if it was just that I had matured and the wonder of the world has been lost, or if the displays just have a different flavor now that doesn't appeal to me. Ah, memories. ----- Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net

23 years, 9 months

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1101 RAM Chips Needed

by bill_r＠inebraska.com

As previously posted, I recently finished building a Mark-8 computer (8008-based). It works great - in fact, I just added an EPROM board so I can run demo programs and eventually bootstrap from paper tape last night. The problem is, I only have 256 bytes of RAM. I would like to find 3 more banks (24 chips) worth of 1101 RAM chips. If anyone has any they'd like to trade for a brand new Harris 1802 microprocessor (build your own ELF!) or other chips, or cash, please let me know. (By the way, if you contacted me in the last couple of weeks about the free stuff, it was all left at Mailboxes Etc. last night, and should be going out today via UPS Ground. I'll e-mail the recipients off-list today or tomorrow to confirm, and let you know the total for shipping.)

23 years, 9 months

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OT: name that computer

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

RE: latest string about the "olden days"... Enough, far more than enough on the OT. Please drop it. Allison

23 years, 9 months

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DEC distribution tapes - VAX vs RISC

by PeksaDO＠Cardiff.ac.uk

my previous message without html - I hope > 2) Ultrix-32 V2.2-1 Supp TK50 1988 > > With this tape marked 'SUPP' I suspect that I > only have the one tape of a multi-tape set. IIRC there were only two tapes in the set - SUPP and UNSUPP. SUPP (which you have) is the only one you require to get going. > What are you considering new? I am looking at > the Ultrix 4.x Basic Installation guide dated > 1990 and it lists over a dozen uVAX's, > VAXservers, and VAXstations. I have seen an: ULTRIX AND UWS V4.3 SUPP/UNSUPP (VAX) CD from September 1992 and note that a VAX CD-ROM for Ultrix is mentioned in ULTRIX V4.4 documenmtation. So it looks like VAX was supported by ULTRIX until ULTRIX expired (can't remember - was there an ULTRIX V4.5) Doug.

23 years, 9 months

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Free SMD disks: Eagles and Super Eagle

by jwbirdsa＠picarefy.com

I have a Super Eagle and (I think) six Eagles still available for pickup in the Seattle area. Some should be working but others may not be, all are as-is. It really pains me to just toss old hardware, but I don't have space to have these just sitting around anymore, so unless I hear from somebody by the end of the month, they're bound for the dump. I almost had a deal for them at the end of 2000, but I suspect that was just before the Computer Garage had to move, which is enough for anybody to deal with at once. --James B.

23 years, 9 months

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Altos 580

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 3/11/02 10:08:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, doc(a)mdrconsult.com writes: > I've been looking for info on an Altos 580. It's pretty thin. The > little I've found shows the db25 connectors as rs232s, and mentions > terminals. Does that mean I can get a console on my trusty MicroTerm? > If not, are there any peripherals anywhere? Display, keyboard, an OS > maybe? > One of my favorite systems, Multiuser Z80. I had several of these about 1990. Only one of the serial ports is the console port, zero IIRC. Should work with a standard serial terminal, Wyse 50 etc. Your MicroTerm should work. Uses a serial printer also. I am not sure I can trust my memory without pictures as to the layout of the db25. IIRC (L to R) Ser Printer, Terminal, Terminal, Console? I don't remember if there was a serial modem port or not. No SW any more, sorry I hope you find some, it is a nice little computer. Paxton

23 years, 9 months

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Sears SR3000

by Panigi38＠aol.com

Does anyone know where I can find ribbon for the old dot matrix Sears SR3000 printer? Thanks

23 years, 9 months

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HP LJ 2 mobo -> Apple LW 2 NT

by mythtech＠mac.com

does anyone know if it is safe to yank the logic board from an HP LaserJet II and stick it into an Apple Laserwriter II NT. I know they are the same printer engine, with just minorly different features (Apple has no font slots for instance). I have a pseduo broken HP and a fully working Apple, but I want the parallel interface. So rather than buying a kit to fix the paper pickup problem the HP has, I was thinking of just swapping logic boards. Is this possible? or will I blow something? (I'd rather not just blindly experiment, since I am running short of working laser printers, and can't afford to trash these) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 9 months

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VAX 6400 booting saga continues ...

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, here is the next movement: After I found out that the ULTRIX 4.5 tape's standalone kernel doesn't support the 6400, even though ULTRIX 4.5 says it supports the 6400 and 6500, (duh!) I had to help myself. Fortunately there is SIMH/VAX and with that I could install ULTRIX 4.5 (manually, the scripts didn't work). Now I have the image of an RA90 drive with a proven bootable kernel and the basic distribution that will allow me to do everything else from there, once that is up. This is what I did to transfer that image to an RA90: 1) net-boot uVAX-II with NetBSD from my FreeBSD laptop :-) 2) write the gzip-ed image ra90.bin.gz to a TK50 tape # dd if=ra90.bin.gz of=/dev/rmt0 ibs=1024000 obs=512 3) boot VAX6400 with VMS 4) on VMS transfer the gzip-ed file to a VMS disk file $ MOUNT/FOREIGN/BLOCK=512/RECORD=512 MUC6: $ COPY MUC6: RA90_BIN.GZ 5) mount an RA90 disk forreign $ MOUNT/FOREIGN DUA1: 6) unzip and transfer to that disk $ GZIP :== $SYS$ROOT:[GUNTHER]GZIP.EXE $ DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT DUA1: $ GZIP -d -c RA90_BIN.GZ the hope is that the above would emulate what on UNIX would have been: # gzip -d -c ra90.bin.gz |dd of=/dev/rra1c bs=512 7) that takes forever. After an hour or so, I stopped the process, because I figured I didn't have to write all those trailing zero-bytes to the disk. 8) cheked if anything reasonable had been written to the disk $ TYPE DUA1: and indeed, garbage shows up that looks like it is the first blocks of that image. 8) reboot VAX6400 >>> BOOT /R:0001000B /XMI:B DUA1 when it comes to loading system software, it immediately HALTs after accessing the disk for a moment. Sounds to me as if it didn't quite get a proper executable master boot block. The question to all VMS gurus is then: did I do anything wrong with the mount/foreign dua1, what is the blocking used? Since I cannot specify /block and /record for disks, I assume that the block is one sector. Does VMS write to the sectors in a different ordering? Does a mount/foreign spare the master boot blocks and begin writing with an offset of a few sectors? Thanks, -Gunther PS: I guess if noone can give me a hunch on how to do this simple thing with VMS, I will just have to wait until I get my KDA50 boards to use with my uVAX-II so that I can write the disk using NetBSD. Ah the fun of interfacing! -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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New hard drive in an Indigo2

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Since this is arguably an on-topic machine, I think I can probably get away with asking here. The hard drive on my Indigo2 is about to give out -- at least I believe this to be the case, since "Internal diagnostics predict the drive will fail soon" ;) Now, this machine has a 2.1G drive right now, but If I'm going to replace it, I'd like to replace it with something that I can capture some video on, which means at least 9G (or up to 21G). I believe the bus on this thing is normal SCSI-2, which has never been a problem for me. The problem I find now is that all the drive with the capacity I'd like to have for it are Fast/Wide/ Ultra/SCA/New/Improved/God-Like SCSI drives (Now with Vitamin C). :) I guess the question is: Do they make a normal SCSI-2 drive that's about 10G or larger? (better if it fits in the 3.5" by 1" (or so) sled) If not, is it possible to plug in an ultra SCSI drive? Will the drive slow itself down to normal speed if it's properly adapted? Has anyone tried either of these things? I am interested in both theory and practice, here. Lastly, what about a SCSI-2 hardware RAID (cost, etc)? What about a Fiberchannel interface for this ting (is there even such a board?) Thanks, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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New manuals

by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

I've uploaded three more manuals to my site today. BA11 DRV11-J DZ11 The last few pages of the DRV11-J is a reference card. I had plans for more today but our new mainframe was delivered so the day went away rather quickly. I should have RL01/RL02, RM03 guides up tomorrow if I do not run out of drive space. Enjoy. Brian. www.webwirz.com

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FRU help needed

by fernande＠internet1.net

Can someone tell me what RS6000 this planar is from? FRU 31G9751 p/n 32G1924 I don't find anything with Google and nothing in the "Diagnostic Information for Micro Channel Bus Systems" and nothing in the "RS/6000 Systems Handbook 2000 Edition". Any other PDF that I should download >from IBM? Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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Yea, I just got two KDA50 sets!

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, just got two KDA50 sets off ePay for a reasonable price. Very calm auction that was. Since I only have one Q-22 bus machine, I might have one set to trade against a UDA50. Or may be I should get a side-table style VAX around it. Although I don't like the high market price for those. BTW: how come that last year I payed $100 for an RF72 drive just last year when they now go for $10? I now have 5 DSSI drives and only one place in a cabinet to run the nicely. I guess it's about time to get a sidetable-style enclosure or a 4000 for those. cheers, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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RX02 / DSD440 problem

by tom＠sba.miami.edu

I have a DSD440 dual RX02 unit, and the first drive abruptly quit. The disk access LED just flashes. When you first power it on, you can hear a slight clicking noise when it first starts spinning. It does spin though. Right after this noise, the LED starts flashing, and the drive won't function. Does anyone have any ideas on what might be wrong and what I can do about it? Also, from the ODT prompt on my 11/23, how do you get it to boot >from the other (DY1) RX02? Thanks, Tom

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FS: Narrow SCSI tower, pick up only

by fernande＠internet1.net

Hello, I'm sorting through all my computer supplies, getting ready to move into a house. I haven't actually bought a house yet, but I'm looking. I've got this huge MTI narrow SCSI case that I'd like to sell. It'll hold 4 full height drives. Each drive fits into a steel box that is removable from the main tower. One box is an open face making it perfect for a cd-rom. I did have some troubles with certain drives not liking certain positions in the tower. I'm not sure if it was the drives, the case, or what. After I got everything arranged, it worked fine. Also the scsi select switch needs to be replaced as one bay is stuck on ID#3. This thing is built like a tank, and I love the way it looks but I just don't use it anymore. I'd like to get $50 for it. It will need to be picked up, However. I do need to point out, that this case can not be easily converted to wide scsi, due to the removable steel boxes the drives fit into. No drives included, but I do have a few cables and a terminator or two that can go with it. I'm located in Southwest Michigan. Email me for a more complete location, or for answers to you questions. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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Free: older hardware, mainly PC

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > What I was commenting on (indirectly) is the idea that many > PC-users have > that you _can't_ replace soldered-in chips, and you can't I agree completely -- in principal, of course, that said, most PC-users shouldn't replace soldered in chips :) > upgrade a 16450 > to a 16550 if it's soldered in. Things like that. I don't > want those sort > of ideas polluting this list :-) As long as the replacement chip is compatible, sure, it really is generally that easy, but there are certainly cases where I wouldn't normally try it. For instance, a board with several layers, which has the chip "integrated" onto the top. Even then, if you're desperate enough, you might be able to cut a few pins and work that way. Anyway, the point is that (and you've made this point before) replacing things is becoming much less simple. I've seen some things on some boards which I would not consider "replicable," since my definition in this context would include "without robotic assistance, or a clean-room." ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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OT: name that computer

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I think he had drag queens like Herbert J. Hoover in mind... > > Herbert? or JEdger? (or both?) <Sigh> yes, J. Edgar... Senior moments come now by the truckloads... I'll have a drool cup installed soon. > > a psycho who also kept a noted heroin addict supplied with > > their fix, the addict in question being the doctor of our > > beloved Sen. Joseph McCarthy... > > the things you learn once they're dead in the grave... just > > wait till Reagan's been gone a while... > > Most leaders are sexually active. > Was Clinton in the closet? Couldn't he do better than THAT? > How about Starr's obsessive voyeurism? > About the only exception was Nixon. I am willing to believe > that he was > the only president EVER who couldn't get laid. Must... freeze... wages... and... prices... or... all is lost! > It took a while before even Kennedy's sexual activities became widely > known, and Eiesenhower's affairs still remain "discrete". > How long will it take before we find out about Ford, Bush, Carter, > Reagan, etc? Ford: zipper accidents Bush: mom, is that you? Carter: now Marilyn, isn't four times a year excessive? Reagan: Well darn, now you know why I wear baggy suits.. ;)

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Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > happens after a good 5 minutes of waiting. > > But interminable waiting with nothing happening IS 100% Windoze > compatability! "Sir, this computer I bought, the hourglass doesn't seem to work..." :)

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HP LJ 2 mobo -> Apple LW 2 NT

by mythtech＠mac.com

>I've always rebuilt my own fusers. Take them to bits and replace just the >lamp and/or rollers as appropriate. It's cheaper (generally), and I know >it's been put together correctly with grease on the moving parts... Humm... I might just do that. The fuser looks to be in great shape (clean, nothing looks burnt or corroded) other than the main roller. The old wiping pad that was in there had been pressed pretty flat, and a bit of the plastic had been touching the fuser roller... as a result, there is a scratch that runs around the roller. The coating is now starting to peel off, and although it is working fine right now, I know it is only a matter of time before it stops fusing the toner correctly, and starts leaving a stripe of flaked toner. When that time comes... I will look into the cost of a new roller vs a whole new assembly. (I seem to recall having replaced the fuser on my IINT, and I think the whole assembly was only about $50... but I might be thinking of the wrong printer) I fully plan on keeping this HP running for some time. My IINT has been an absolute work horse for years, so I know the SX engine is a good one, easy to work with, can get parts fairly cheap and easily... and if cared for, will just keep on going. So I don't mind spending repair money as needed with it (unlike the Panasonic KX-P4420 that I am dumping rather than spend $200 to replace consumable parts... the Panasonic is an Ok printer, but nothing great, and parts are hard to get, and are expensive) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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OT: name that computer

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 12, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: > > a psycho who also kept a noted heroin addict supplied with > > their fix, the addict in question being the doctor of our > > beloved Sen. Joseph McCarthy... > > the things you learn once they're dead in the grave... just > > wait till Reagan's been gone a while... > > Most leaders are sexually active. > Was Clinton in the closet? Couldn't he do better than THAT? > How about Starr's obsessive voyeurism? > About the only exception was Nixon. I am willing to believe that he was > the only president EVER who couldn't get laid. > > It took a while before even Kennedy's sexual activities became widely > known, and Eiesenhower's affairs still remain "discrete". > How long will it take before we find out about Ford, Bush, Carter, > Reagan, etc? Personally, I'd be pretty worried about ANYONE with that much power who doesn't Get Some with some degree of regularity. I can see it now: "Welcome to CNN. Six countries were wiped off the map by US nuclear missiles this afternoon because the President hadn't Gotten Any in fifteen years. Leaders from nearly thirty countries are busily putting young nubiles on airplanes bound for Washington in hopes that this will ensure their countries' safety from the Wrath of the Horny President." -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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New hard drive in an Indigo2

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > To answer your question, yes as long as you have the right > > adaptors any drive should world in an Indigo2. I have had > > 68pin,sca, and HVD drives in Indigo2's without any problems. > > The only thing you have to do is make sure you set the drive > > to the right SCSI ID. the lower left is (i believe) 1, upper > > left is 2 and the 5-1/4 bay is 3. > > Great. I had no idea they even made HVD to NSHVSE (not-so-high > voltage single ended? :) adaptors. Not that I want to actually > use a HVD disk... I get a mailing from Paralan, a reseller of these adapters, at least monthly (just a post card, actually). Plan on spending US$300 for a new one... -dq

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DEC distribution tapes - VAX vs RISC

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Previously, I wrote: > > 2) Ultrix-32 V2.2-1 Supp TK50 1988 > > With this tape marked 'SUPP' I suspect that I only > > have the one tape of a multi-tape set. And then "DOUG PEKSA - COMPG" <PeksaDO(a)Cardiff.ac.uk> wrote (amidst all the HTML flotsam): > IIRC there were only two tapes in the set - SUPP and UNSUPP. > SUPP (which you have) is the only one you require to get going. Great! Hey Chris, you hear that? > > What are you considering new? I am looking at the Ultrix 4.x Basic > > Installation guide dated 1990 and it lists over a dozen uVAX's, > > VAXservers, and VAXstations. > I have seen an: > ULTRIX AND UWS V4.3 SUPP/UNSUPP (VAX) CD from September 1992 > and note that a VAX CD-ROM for Ultrix is mentioned in ULTRIX V4.4 > documenmtation. So it looks like VAX was supported by ULTRIX until > ULTRIX expired (can't remember - was there an ULTRIX V4.5) Yes, there was an Ultrix 4.5 and it was the last version. I don't know the date on 4.5, but the date on 4.4 is May 1995. Thanks Doug. Mike

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New hard drive in an Indigo2

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: jismay(a)gkar.unixboxen.net [mailto:jismay@gkar.unixboxen.net] > To answer your question, yes as long as you have the right > adaptors any drive should world in an Indigo2. I have had > 68pin,sca, and HVD drives in Indigo2's without any problems. > The only thing you have to do is make sure you set the drive > to the right SCSI ID. the lower left is (i believe) 1, upper > left is 2 and the 5-1/4 bay is 3. Great. I had no idea they even made HVD to NSHVSE (not-so-high voltage single ended? :) adaptors. Not that I want to actually use a HVD disk... I'll probably attempt to pick up a 18G or so ultra-scsi disk, in that case. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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New hard drive in an Indigo2

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > I've got a Mylex PCI 20mbit adapter (DAC960[PL?]) I'll trade you > cheap. It's my opinion that on a non-server box, the gained speed is > minimal compared to the lost storage capacity suffered with > any reliable > RAID, unless you really need to mirror your data. Well, I've got a Mylex EISA RAID that would probably have a better chance of working. :) This machine has no PCI bus, but has EISA and GIO64... Even if it did have the bus for it, though, there would be the problem of finding an IRIX driver for that board. IRIX supported hardware isn't exactly plentiful. Anyway, shouldn't a decent RAID allow you to select the mode so that it only does striping ? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Free SMD disks: Eagles and Super Eagle

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 12, Chris Craft wrote: > SMD drives hook up to a KDA50, yes? Nope...a KDA50 is an SDI controller, for RA-series drives. I don't know of any SMD controller made by DEC, though many other companies made SMD controllers for DEC machines. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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DEC distribution tapes - VAX vs RISC

by PeksaDO＠Cardiff.ac.uk

<body> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> 2) Ultrix-32 V2.2-1 Supp TK50 1988</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">></span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> With this tape marked 'SUPP' I suspect that I</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> only have the one tape of a multi-tape set.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">IIRC there were only two tapes in the set - SUPP</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">and UNSUPP. SUPP (which you have) is the only one</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">you require to get going.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> What are you considering new?  I am looking at</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> the Ultrix 4.x Basic Installation guide dated</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> 1990 and it lists over a dozen uVAX's,</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> VAXservers, and VAXstations.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">I have seen an:</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">ULTRIX AND UWS V4.3 SUPP/UNSUPP (VAX) </span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">CD from September 1992 and note that a VAX</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">CD-ROM for Ultrix is mentioned in ULTRIX V4.4</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">documenmtation. So it looks like VAX was</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">supported by ULTRIX until ULTRIX expired (can't</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">remember - was there an ULTRIX V4.5)</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">Doug.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><br></div> <div align="left"></div> </body>

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New hard drive in an Indigo2

by jismay＠gkar.unixboxen.net

To answer your question, yes as long as you have the right adaptors any drive should world in an Indigo2. I have had 68pin,sca, and HVD drives in Indigo2's without any problems. The only thing you have to do is make sure you set the drive to the right SCSI ID. the lower left is (i believe) 1, upper left is 2 and the 5-1/4 bay is 3. -- Love of the Goddess makes the poet go mad he goes to his death and in death is made wise. Robert Graves

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Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

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Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by mythtech＠mac.com

>The PC side _seems_ to be booting up ok (I can hear faint Windows system >beeps, and the PC Setup control panel reports that "PC is running") but I >can't switch over. When I hit "switch to PC" the Mac's screen goes dimmer, >the cursor disappears, and the PC Clipboard becomes the active app, but >nothing else happens after a good 5 minutes of waiting. In the PC Setup control panel, change the C: drive to a new drive file, make it an brand new drive file, with nothing in it (just make a 5mb or something). Then boot the PC. You should get a BIOS boot screen, and eventually see a typical PC error of non system disk, replace and press a key. If you don't get that far, then the card isn't working properly. At that point, I would verify it is installed correctly (I'm not sure if that model card needed a video dongle or not... the Q610 "Houdini" card does, and so does the later 586 and Pentium card, although the latter can use an internal video cable in place of the normal external one.) After verifying the card is installed ok (fully seated, CD Audio cable is connected, and video dongle connected if needed), and it still doesn't boot... reinstall the Mac PC Setup software. You want version 1.5. You can get it here <http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html#doswin> v1.0.2 is for the Q610 card, v1.5 is for the Q630/PM6100 card, and v1.6.4 is for the later 586/Pentium cards. If is STILL doesn't boot... check to see if a ram chip is installed directly on the DOS card. If so, remove it. The cards are very picky over using the right chip. Remove an installed one, and then tell the PC Setup you want to share ram with the Mac (it should default to that automatically when it doesn't detect a chip installed). If it STILL doesn't boot... let me know, we'll go from there. But by now, it should at least boot to the BIOS screen. Once you get to the BIOS screen, you can then either retry the old drive file, or just start from scratch and install DOS or Windows. The card you have officially supports up to Win95. You should NOT have the drive file open and mounted on the Mac when you are trying to boot from the PC. And after changing drive files in the PC Setup control panel, you will need to reboot the PC (but not the Mac). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

-----Original Message----- From: Marion.Bates(a)dartmouth.edu [mailto:Marion.Bates@dartmouth.edu] > The PC side _seems_ to be booting up ok (I can hear faint > Windows system beeps, and the PC Setup control panel reports > that "PC is running") but I can't switch over. When I hit > "switch to PC" the Mac's screen goes dimmer, the cursor > disappears, and the PC Clipboard becomes the active app, but > nothing else happens after a good 5 minutes of waiting. Sounds like maybe the Mac drivers for the card need re-installed. Not that I have any more experience with this stuff than you, probably... > I mounted the PC disk image on the Mac side and poked through > it, and it looks like there are some major filesystem issues > -- open a folder and it contains the whole top level > directory listing, including itself -- open a subfolder, same > thing, etc. probably to infinity. It needs a complete This "folder" isn't named '.' is it? ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Someone can make a picture of a KDA50 cab kit please?

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Doug Carman wrote: >Gunther Schadow wrote: > >> I guess so. I personally have a uVAX-II in the small cabinet, but >> I take anything, I don't care about the larger metal pieces, what >> I care about is the cable to the card and the SDI connectors. Those >> should be the same. I need the picture so a guy who doesn't know >> these things but may have the cables in a pile of stuff can recognize >> it. > >I have the cable kit for the BA200 series cabinets as well. You are >right, it will work in a BA123 if you just route the pigtails out a hole >in the rear bulkhead. The part number for the one I have is >17-00951-03. It has a 32 pin Berg connector on the module end with a >funny flat plastic retainer that holds it in. The pigtails are about 30 >inches long and each has the metal 8 pin connector that mates to the >disk drive cables. The KDA50 User Guide is at: http://208.190.133.201/decimages/moremanuals.htm The BA23 cab kit is pictured on p2-2. It's basically a rectangular panel with two connectors for SDI cables. The internal cable just plugs in on the inside (and the external cables - somehwhat thicker) plugs in externally. You need two bulkheads if you want to use all four possible drives. The internal cable is four tails connected to a single flat head with a plastic cover at the KDA50 end. (It's not *that* clear from the picture unless you already know what you are looking at). More pictures on pp 2-14, 2-15 and 2-16. I cannot find a picture of the BA213 arrangement. The KDA50 board pair sits behind a three-wide metal panel (the third slot is occupied by the cabling). The internal cable is the same and heads up and to the top left drive bay. There is where the bulkhead lives ... a recessed four-way connector. I expect I'll find a picture as soon as I hit "Send" ... Antonio

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Blank Paper Tape Question (P.S.)

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 10:59:04 -0700 > From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> > X-Accept-Language: en > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Blank Paper Tape Question (P.S.) > Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > Lawrence LeMay wrote: > > > > > > > > A low speed punch 10 cps vers a high speed punch > > > 50 cps could be a important cost factor. Now if you > > > had black paper tape one could zap out the holes > > > with a laser giving you a very high speed punch. > > > Since the punching speed does limit paper > > > tape to a practical limit of about 8kb was there > > > any really large paper tape programs? 4K focal on > > > a TTY was as long a program that I ever loaded from paper > > > tape ... 20 minutes. > > > > > > > Well, a good optical reader can read 400 characters per second. Correct me > > if i'm wrong, but that seems like 4096 bytes takes 10.24 seconds to read > > in. Assuming its not a 30 year old tape that vaporizes at that speed ;) > > > > -Lawrence LeMay > > The TTY is the LOW speed punch/reader ... 10 CPS. > The high speed reader is 300 CPS for the PDP-8. > The problem with paper tape > on the PDP-8 at least is that you had to read a character at a > time. Read char... process ... read. This meant the paper tape > had to stop the tape on every character. Reading the tape is > not the problem ... stopping was. You know, at 300 char/sec there is more than 3000 microseconds between characters. Plenty of time for even a PDP-8 to execute a thousand or so instructions. The next challenge is to write a program to duplicate paper tapes, high-speed reader at 300 c/s to high-speed punch at 50 c/s. Keep the punch running at full speed while reading in bursts to keep ahead of the punch. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

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Blank Paper Tape Question (P.S.)

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 09:42:30 -0700 > From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Blank Paper Tape Question (P.S.) > Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > Loboyko Steve wrote: > > > > The DSI punches punch their own sprocket holes. Funny, > > I don't remember prepunched tape. Wouldn't that be > > punched tape prepunched with NULL's (ha ha). > > It is a know fact that Santa's Elves will pre-punch your > paper tape for you on their days off. You have a choice > of white,red,or green paper tape. > > A low speed punch 10 cps vers a high speed punch > 50 cps could be a important cost factor. Now if you > had black paper tape one could zap out the holes > with a laser giving you a very high speed punch. > Since the punching speed does limit paper > tape to a practical limit of about 8kb was there > any really large paper tape programs? 4K focal on > a TTY was as long a program that I ever loaded from paper > tape ... 20 minutes. Once (only) I loaded PDP11 DOS from paper tape onto an RK05 disk. My memory is that it was about a cubic foot of folded paper tape in trays. Fortunately I had a 300c/s tape reader, and a 9-track magtape drive to make a disk backup afterwards. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

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New hard drive in an Indigo2

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 12, Christopher Smith wrote: > Since this is arguably an on-topic machine, I think I can probably > get away with asking here. I believe the Indigo2 was introduced in mid to late 1994. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Someone can make a picture of a KDA50 cab kit please?

by schadow＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, would somebody here be so kind an give me a digital image of a KDA50 cab kit? A part number would also be nice, but the picture would be better. Doesn't need to be very good quality, just to roughly see how it looks. Thanks, -Gunther PS: even a detailled description would be helpful. Thanks!!

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Microchannel and Redhat?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 3/10/2002 10:53:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, fernande(a)internet1.net writes: << Will factory Redhat work with MicroChannel? I'm having trouble loading anything but Windows on this computer!! >> ive heard that slackware will. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

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New DEC manual scan

by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

For all who may be interested, I am starting to add scanned DEC manuals to my web page www.webwirz.com. They will all be in PDF format. The first one was added today and is the maint manual for the LA30 DECwriter. "Woo Hoo" I'll add a few more this week and then I have to give up the Kodak scanner to a different department at work for a while. Thanks, Brian.

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Barely classic

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 11:43 PM 3/11/2002 -0500, Pat Finnegan wrote: >I think this one just squeaks by the 10-year rule... >Today I visited the high school I used to go to, and walked out with an >Amiga 2000 with a Video Toaster. In a pinch, Amiga-heads took a hacksaw to a DB25. It might be easier to find a true Amiga cable. You'll also want separate "program" and "preview" composite monitors if you want to play TV studio. If there's a "TIO" directory there, I wrote that stuff. That's the "Toaster I/O" set of translators to handle Mac PICT files and various 3D formats into Lightwave. - John

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Altos 580

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I've been looking for info on an Altos 580. It's pretty thin. The > little I've found shows the db25 connectors as rs232s, and mentions > terminals. Does that mean I can get a console on my trusty MicroTerm? > If not, are there any peripherals anywhere? Display, keyboard, an OS > maybe? If this is the squarish box, it ran MP/M-II... let me check, one we used to have where I worked ended up in the hands of a local fellow collector (hey Russ B., do you know Chris at Nomad Radio on Bardstown Road?). I saw Chris at a party two weekends ago, he's *real* hard to get hold of. But I'll see if I can, and see if Tom or Crutch gave him the manuals and software... Worst case, since MP/M-II is now freely downloadable, source and all, you'd just have to re-port it to the 580... -dq

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