- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> > I seem to remember someone saying that the DECservers are basically a > > Q-Bus PDP-11 system. Is this correct, or am I thinking of something else? > > Also, does anyone know what they're based off of and if it's possible to > > make them boot a 'conventional' os by changing their bootroms? > > The DECserver 500 and 550 are PDP-11 systems. The others > are not. And to finish answering the original question, the CPU boards are basically a PDP-11/53, and all you need to do is change the ROMs and add a disk controller. Zane

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Why I hate gitten old...

by jpl15＠panix.com

Please have vicarious fun reading what was intended to be a private reply.. sigh. I guess we all have to do this once or twice, just for Balance... I *still* like reply-to-list, no matter what... Cheers John

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Questions about Central Point Deluxe Option board

by jingber＠ix.netcom.com

Central Point Deluxe Option board: I don't recall how this card is supposed to interface with the disks. There is a card edge connector and a row of pins on the board. Does the board go inbetween the FDC and drives, or does it replace the floppy controller entirely? Any special cabling required, and can it run two drives? Thanks, Jeff

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Free VAX 11/750 (Colorado)

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Please contact Gary directly if interested. ----- Forwarded message from Gary Zilik <zilik(a)excelgeo.com> ----- Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:41:49 -0600 From: Gary Zilik <zilik(a)excelgeo.com> To: mrbill(a)decvax.org Subject: Vax system We currently are doing some house cleaning and have a vax 11/750 in working condition free to a good home. Many spare parts are included. If someone can use the system it would be better than the recycle bin. Unfortuanaly we no longer have any of the manuals. -- Gary Zilik - Sr. Geophysicist Excel Geophysical Services, Inc. Email: zilik(a)excelgeo.com 8301 E. Prentice Ave., Suite 402 Phone: (303) 694-9629 Greenwood Village, CO 80111 Fax: (303) 771-1646 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

24 years, 1 month

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Forth for PDP-11

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

SUCCESS!!!! > > I just realized that there is documentation included, it's in the 'sol.sd', > > so I'm going to have to pour through it. I get the distinct impression that > > it's not working the way it should, so I need to see if I've installed it > > incorrectly (the first look through makes it look like it's installed > > correctly). > > The system is getting far enough to make me think it is installed > correctly (the interpretter loop is running, for example, it's reading a > command line, and at least handling some of it). Either there are a lot > of standard words not implemented in this system (In Forth you can have > whatever words you like...), or they've got non-standard names (if that's > the case, the author needs to get a clue!), or you've not assembled one > of the source files that would include them (if they're in the manual but > not in the dictionary, this is possible), but I would have thought > there'd be undefined symbols (if only for the dictionary linkage > pointers) if that was the case. I was right it wasn't up completely. I'd booted the minimal system, but I needed to compile the rest of it. See the following. sim> b rl0 RL BOOT - OK SOL-11 0.4 COPYRIGHT (C) 2001 NILS M HOLM 10 list LIST? 10 load 8072 BYTES YOU MAY NOW TYPE SAVE-SYSTEM TO SAVE THE NEWLY CREATED KERNEL. OK save-system OK save-buffers halt > HALT instruction, PC: 010516 (JMP @(R4)+) sim> b rl RL BOOT - OK SOL-11 0.4 COPYRIGHT (C) 2001 NILS M HOLM WELCOME TO SOL KERNEL SIZE IS 8072 BYTES MEMORY SIZE IS 57344 BYTES THESE MESSAGES ARE LOADED FROM BLOCK #9. TYPE 9 LIST TO VIEW OR EDIT THIS BLOCK. THIS DISK CONTAINS THE HLL PART OF THE SOL KERNEL. TYPE 9 51 INDEX FOR A TABLE OF CONTENTS. REMEMBER TO TYPE SAVE-BUFFERS BEFORE TURNING OFF YOUR MACHINE. SOL IS READY TO TAKE COMMANDS NOW. 5 3 + . 8 OK So, as you can see, I've now got it working under SIMH. One interesting thing I've found in the sol.sd document, is that the author (Nils M Holm) views the fact that it requires EIS as a bug. Unfortunatly all the drives that this supports are up in storage, as I don't really have room for any of them in the apartment, so for the time being I'll have to play around with this under SIMH. However, it's safe to say I do want to play with it, and eventually I'd like to get it up and running on real hardware. Hmmm, I wonder if I can convince my folks to let me temporarily clean out enough of thier garage to get /44 that's buried in there fired up.... :^) Zane

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ebay deals do happen

by CordaAJ＠NSWC.NAVY.MIL

Seems like I'll have to start looking through my ancient chip supply... I seem to remember a tube of the ceramic 8080 cpus somewhere... Of course, I might accidently _flood_ the market... :-) -al- -acorda(a)1bigred.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@cfl.rr.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 7:54 AM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: ebay deals do happen > > > At 08:35 AM 6/27/02 -0700, Sellam wrote: > > > > >The reason that Altair processor card got that amount was > not because of > >the card itself but because of the 8080 processor on it. > Apparently, a > >few chip collectors creamed their pants over it because it > was an Intel > >C8080, harboring some manner of significance to them. > > > >The buyer was "prepared to go well over $1000 for that > chip". That chip > >is apparently listed as having a value of $1,800 on one > collector's site. > > > >Gee, it's like the classic computer craze of 1999 all over again. > > > Geez, I should pull the 8080 CPUs out of my Intel MDS 800s > and hawk them. Plastic CPU would work just as well and I > could use the money :-) > > Joe >

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DEC Etherworks LC book

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

Didn't know this, but I found it among my Apple II stuff, and if anyone wants it, give me a US snail address and it's yours. Looks like an early ethernet card for PCs. Gary Hildebrand ST. Joseph, MO

24 years, 1 month

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AT&T UNIX goodness

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Cleaned out the closet yesterday (so the HVAC guys could get into the attic). Found the following: AT&T 3B2 Computer - UNIX System V Release 3 User's and System Administrator's Reference Manual (in hardbound slipcase) and (I thought I'd lost it - sold it to a list member a year or so ago, then misplaced the disks and refunded their money) AT&T UNIX System V/386 Release 3.2 (complete distribution on 1.44M floppies, with development kit as well - these were new in shrinkwrap when I got them) Anybody have a need for any of the above? Will trade for other nifty things. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

24 years, 1 month

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OT: help request, ereg function in PHP

by foo＠siconic.com

Any PHP g00r00s out there able to help with the ereg function in PHP? No amount of searching the online docs or the web turns up a similar problem as I am having (not properly parsing whitespace). It almost seems like there's a problem with my PHP server code. Please respond off-list to <sellam(a)vintage.org>. Thanks! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

24 years, 1 month

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Classic Computer Spider

by mythtech＠mac.com

>She's about 3 inches in diameter. Maybe not the biggest you've ever seen, >but pretty much the biggest that's ever come out of my garage. I get at least one that size a year in the fire stair well next to my office (where I store most of my good computer parts... it pays to be friends with the local fire inspector). Although the ones I get don't look like that. Rather they are all black, with thinner legs (not quite as menacing looking, mine look like over grown black house spiders). But it was funny when the exterminator couldn't get one to die last year. He sprayed and sprayed, and the thing just kept relocating. He claimed the stuff should have killed it on contact (and it seemed to kill all other insects on contact). After about 8 squirts he gave up and stepped on it. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Semi-OT: Sony Data Discman

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> From the Obsolete-At-Birth department: I've got this old Sony Electronic Book > Player, aka Data Discman. Model # DD-8. Unlike all the others I've seen, it does > not fold shut -- it's like an old Gameboy, only bigger. I think it may be a very > old model, but I dunno. Wow! I remember these, they've got to be close to 12-15 years old based on where I remember seeing them. I thought they were really cool, but support for them was way to limited, and they cost way to much for me to afford at the time. Finally with my Sony Clie, I've got a usable electronic book (of course it still cost to much). > My brother has the exact same model, same vintage (we each got one as a gift 10 > years ago or whenever it was) and his apparently does the same thing. In both > cases, the player was working fine, and it got put away on a closet shelf (no > batteries) -- then a few months later, we go to use it and discover mysterious > screen death. In other words, they weren't dropped or overheated or anything > obvious like that, as far as we know. I can't help, but I've seen almost the exact same problem with the original Nintendo Gameboy's. I've had two of the originals, and in both cases, I put them up without batteries, and when I went to use them the next time, sizeable portions of the screen wouldn't display anything (entire vertical lines). Zane

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[OT?] IBM PS 850 RAM

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I'm fairly certain this doesn't meet the 10-year rule, but since I don't have any other good ideas of where to ask, I'll ask here. I'm trying to find a source for some more memory for my IBM PC Power Station 850, and was wondering if anyone has some available or new of a cheap source. I'd prefer 16M or 32M sticks, but could deal with 8M sticks, I just want to have a bit more than 32M of memory to try and run on. I've found that kingston lists 16MB sticks for $39 or 32MB for $50, but I'd prefer not to spend >$1/meg for it if possible. Used is ok, new is better if possible, but I'm sure much more expensive. Worst case, there's 4 sticks of 8M up on ebay for a decent price I might bid on, but I'd really prefer bigger than 8MB sticks. -- Pat

24 years, 1 month

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What's a Convergence Technologies Series 186

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Hi. This was my birthday present, and a nice one indeed. It's so cool I can't find it at all on Google. It's a little modular desktop, the CPU unit & drive unit (5.25 floppy and 10M hard drive) are separate units, latched together. Each has its own external PSU. The display looks like a proprietary serial terminal, powered off the main unit on the DB25 connector. The keyboard plugs into the display base. On front it says "Series 186" on the system module and "Hard Drive" on the drive unit. The stickers on bottom have Model numbers "CP-001/9 AA" and "HD-002 AD" respectively. Both tags say "For use with N-GEN systems" It powers up, runs through a batch job that I don't recognise - $JOB blah blah $RUN blah blah $RUN blah blah and ends up at a login prompt that I can't go around. It claims to be a "BaronData Transcription System" running (OS t1stndmp 9.7X) or OZ 4.1. If I can find a v3 or v4 DOS disk, should this guy boot from it? I want to preserve the OS on it, but I also want to log in. Doc

24 years, 1 month

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Apple IIgs/65816/65802 reference/programming books for trade/donation

by Menzu＠aol.com

Hello there, my name is Nathan, and I'm very interested in your books by Michael Fischer "65816/65802 ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE PROGRAMMING" of course being as if you haven't given it away or traded it away already. If not, please respond soon. Though I've got nothing really to give you (except the ultimate evil that is cash) we can hopefully work something out. Nathan Ivey (Menzu(a)aol.com)

24 years, 1 month

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[CCTECH] Book Deal in Houston

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

A new local bookstore here is selling brand new copies of Fire in the Valley second edition (soft cover) for $5. I purchased mine from Amazon awhile back along with the hardcover collector's edition with a CD. The lady said they may get the hardcover edition in and it would be about $10.

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ebay deals do happen

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Erik S. Klein" <classiccmp(a)mail.vintage-computer.com> > >"That chip is apparently listed as having a value of $1,800 >on one collector's site." > >Wow. I had no idea that was the reason for the high bid. >And to think, I've (theoretically) got $3,600 in two chips >at home. . . > >Hmmmm. > > Erik > Hi You realize that these need to be early C8080 and not C8080A or i8080 anything like that. I wonder if this might have something to do with the NASA buys? Dwight

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Fw: Latest Finds in Houston

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Really? That's pretty cool. That's novel: a play being inspired by a >computer game :) What was it about? Don't remember the name of the game, but it was the Dracula vampire's castle one (which I can't remember for sure was a Scott Adams adventure, but I believe it was). Basically, it was a play, with the basic plot line of the adventure, but with a few characters rather than just the one person as per the game. I was young, it was my first play, so there wasn't much creativity to coming up with my own story line. And my never finished text adventure was shockingly similar to the Mac graphical adventure Deja Vu. Of course, I started work on mine LONG before I knew about Deja Vu (long before I am sure it was even considered, since I started mine before the Mac came out). I remember getting Deja Vu and calling a friend that had worked on the story of mine with me. We were very surprised at how similar they were. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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[CCTECH] Two Great Finds Today

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Went to a auction today and got alot of stuff real cheap. Tow of the things that I really liked were a digital DECpc 333 portable and a Vectrex game console. I have yet to get into everything as it filled the van and had to leave stuff after running out of room to load it.

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Fw: Latest Finds in Houston

by mythtech＠mac.com

>>Wasn't that Voodoo Castle or something? >Yes... thank you, I think that was it. Ack... no, I was wrong (and thus you were wrong), it was "The Count". Sorry. (I realized this when I did a search for Scott Adams, and turned up his site. I then downloaded the classic games for the Palm Pilot, and noticed it included The Count, which immediately jumped to me as the correct game my play was based off) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Fw: Latest Finds in Houston

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Wasn't that Voodoo Castle or something? Yes... thank you, I think that was it. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Palladium and classic computing

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Bill Sudbrink" <wh.sudbrink(a)verizon.net> wrote: > This Palladium stupidity won't fly. Remember how people > howled when Intel put unique IDs into their processors? Yep. And what happened as a result? -Frank McConnell

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final brainteaser for the day

by meltie＠myrealbox.com

Can you describe all the PDP OSen and variants out there? *grins* Alex -- Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching.

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NewTek Video Toasters for Amigas

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

Finally got them all checked, and they all work, so they are up for grabs here before going to e-greed. These are Toaster 2000 cards, for Amiga 2000's (won't fit in 3k or 4k without major hacking). Software and books not included, but I can get some copies. NewTek still has the copyright, see them first. Asking $150 per card, or equivalent in trading stock. I'm looking for: 4 gig or bigger Fast SCSI-2 drives, SCSI-3 (68 pin) would be okay if it has an adapter Other Amiga stuff, especially KEYBOARDS, accelerator cards, or other graphics cards. Complete Amigas except for A1000's. Amiga A1200 tower case with Zorro bus included I had several inquiries when I firt got these, you might drop me another e-mail off-list if you are interested or have something to trade. Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO

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Palladium and classic computing

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Bill Sudbrink" <wh.sudbrink(a)verizon.net> wrote: > Basically, the ID in the PIII is disabled by all standard BIOSs... AWARD, > etc. (although it can be enabled by software) and, in any Pentium 1.5GHz or > faster, there is no ID or supporting circuits in the silicon. It's this "it can be enabled by software" bit that I was getting at. As I remember it, there was a great hue and cry from privacy advocates, Intel said "look, we'll make it disabled by default, and give people software they can use to turn it on", and the privacy advocates said "well, then, that's OK" and got quiet. Hello? If I can run some software to enable ID reporting, why wouldn't any closed-source software provider who really wants to know just have their software enable ID reporting, get the ID, then restore/disable ID reporting to cover its tracks? Anyway, it looks like something did happen: it got little enough use that Intel dropped the feature. Or...maybe they just see that something even better for this purpose is coming. -Frank McConnell

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DEC Vax 6000-310

by blue＠intrnet.net

I have a DEC Vax 6000-310 I have to sell. If interested, please email... blue(a)intrnet.net

24 years, 1 month

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OT: Been There, Screamed About That

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk > > > Suggestions From Your Friends In > > Information Technologies Support > > [...] > > > 20) If the space bar on your keyboard doesn't work, blame it on the mail > > upgrade. Keyboards are actually very happy with half a pound of muffin > > crumbs and nail clippings in them. > > I'm reminded of one of my users who said her whole computer would "freak out" when she used her mouse. (BTW She's right handed...) So, once I get to her desk, everything is okay for me, and using the mouse (located to the right, and behind the keyboard.) was normal. So I ask her to show me. That's when I see her heavy, very loose & baggy sleeve, wool sweater push down just about every key on the numeric keypad. Especially the Enter key. When I pointed this out to her, she said "No it's not. It's the computer!" "Really? Okay. Well I'm gonna go downstairs and check the server for problems. In the meantime, watch your sleeve, just in case." And no, I didn't bother with the server. Just went to lunch. And never heard about that problem again... ......... > > 27) When you have a lock to pick on an old file cabinet, call IT > > Support. We love to hack. > > You mean there are computer people who _can't_ pick filing cabinet locks? > I am truely amazed.... > Yeah, a DeWalt cordless and the proper bit work wonders. :) -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Fw: Latest Finds in Houston

by mythtech＠mac.com

>> Return To Pirates Isle PHM 3189 > >Nice. Scott Adams was my favorite programmer when I was 13. I had >"Adventureland" and "Pirate's Island" in BASIC for the PET - still >have the original tape. It gave me a life-long love for Interactive >Fiction. Humm... I have a bunch of his text adventures for the Apple II. Something like 13 of them. I played them all, and won many. Spent many a rainy day sitting playing them. I was always impressed with how good and unique they each seemed to be. They even encouraged me to try writing my own text adventure (never finished it), and I suspect at some level, they are responsible for me getting into writing fiction myself (IIRC, my first play was an adaptation of one of his games) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Forth for PDP-11

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> 2 3 + . > > That's a total of 8 keys to press -- > <two><space><three><space><plus><space><period><return> > > You should get > 5 OK > on the terminal (or something like that, with a 5 in it). Unfortunatly it results in: 2 3 + . .? I just realized that there is documentation included, it's in the 'sol.sd', so I'm going to have to pour through it. I get the distinct impression that it's not working the way it should, so I need to see if I've installed it incorrectly (the first look through makes it look like it's installed correctly). > > I suspect the TU58 option means that it's possible to run this on a PDP-11 > > that doesn't have any drives, but has two SLU's, just run a TU58 emulator on > > a PC. > > Almost certainly yes. Of course eccentrics like me would probably _want_ > to try the real TU58 :-) If it supported the 11/03 or Falcon, I'd consider trying it with real TU58's. However, in looking at the docs now that I've finally found them I suspect that TU58's are intended to only be for installing on a disk. > Will an old version of Linux do? Or should I finally try to get Release 7 > running on the 11/45 (or BSD on the 11/44)? I don't have time to play Unless you need a newer version of gcc than you have installed, an old version of Linux should work (I assume by old you're talking 1.x). I don't know if this is something that could be built on a PDP-11 running UNIX. Zane

24 years, 1 month

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ebay deals do happen

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "William Donzelli" <aw288(a)osfn.org> > >> I wonder if this might have something to do with >> the NASA buys? >> Dwight > >I think it is pure economics of a maturing collectable field. There is >really nothing strange about some very rare chips fetching huge prices - >the collectable (and I an not including the audio market) tube scene >works just the same way. Some tubes, with only a tiny difference in >contruction from the norm, are worth oodles. > >William Donzelli >aw288(a)osfn.org > Ya, I know what you mean. I wish I had a box full of 450's and 2A3's. a couple hundred WD11's would be nice as well. ( for the rest of the group, that is tube talk ). Dwight

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Palladium and classic computing

by spectre＠stockholm.ptloma.edu

Lest this degenerate into another anti-Microsoft panegyric, here's the MSNBC gushy bit on Palladium, Microsoft's new hardware certification and encryption device: http://www.msnbc.com/news/770511.asp?cp1=1 Here's the Gurus (Register USA) article that got me thinking: http://www.theregus.com/content/4/25378.html My question is this. It looks like, even by the bright soft sweetness in the MSNBC article, that everything that comes in and out, as well as gets executed and touched by, a Palladium-based system needs to be certified. If that's so, since many classic servers or systems may not have the oomph or capability to exchange data with a Palladium because they can't build the certificate, or if a licensing fee were needed from MS, what would this mean to us running old servers or OSes that won't speak in Microsoft's blessed credentials? Even E-mail or web pages served up might have to be signed. I'm not upgrading stockholm or my Solbourne just to speak in certificates. (The other issues, such as everything you run on a Palladium system having to be signed, even freeware at a potential cost to the author for a license key, as well as the death of open source, are probably OT but definitely scary.) -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- A different taste in jokes is a great strain on the affections. -- G. Eliot

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paging Hans Pufal

by dpeschel＠eskimo.com

Either private e-mail isn't geting through or you're more busy than I am. (I was wondering if you've dug up any more ZEBRA manuals.) Thanks, -- Derek

24 years, 1 month

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specs for HP transistor?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I know this is mildly off topic but I've run out of places to look so I'll ask here. Recently I found a bunch of new HP microwave transitors in a pile of surplus scrap. I'd not sure what you call this package but the transistor is about 1/16" in size and it has four leads sticking out radially. Each lead is about 1/4" long. Their part number is TXVT-2101 and I can't find a number remotely like that on HP's or Agilent's websites. A Google search also failed to find anything. Each transistor is in an individual box and each is serial numbered and has the gain written on it. I think they date from about 1983 but I'm not positive about that. They're obviously expensive parts and I'd like to find out more about them. Can anyone help? Joe

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ebay deals do happen

by frustum＠pacbell.net

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2034993396 Unfortunately, I logged on about 20 minutes too late. It is a 1960's wang programmable calculator with a printer, card reader, and an external core memory expansion module. The exact model isn't listed. Supposedly all in working order. The winning price: a low, low buy-it-now of $25.99. ----- Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net

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OT: Been There, Screamed About That

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words: > > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk >[snip] > > > 20) If the space bar on your keyboard doesn't work, blame it on the mail > > > upgrade. Keyboards are actually very happy with half a pound of muffin > > > crumbs and nail clippings in them. > > > I'm reminded of one of my users who said her whole computer would >"freak out" when she used her mouse. (BTW She's right handed...) So, once I >get to her desk, everything is okay for me, and using the mouse (located to >the right, and behind the keyboard.) was normal. > So I ask her to show me. That's when I see her heavy, very loose & >baggy sleeve, wool sweater push down just about every key on the numeric >keypad. Especially the Enter key. When I pointed this out to her, she said >"No it's not. It's the computer!" >"Really? Okay. Well I'm gonna go downstairs and check the server for >problems. In the meantime, watch your sleeve, just in case." > And no, I didn't bother with the server. Just went to lunch. And >never heard about that problem again... I have one better - when I worked as a tech (way back when Winders 3.1 was king...) one lady said she couldn't get her work done, because WordPerfect for Winders kept crashing. (There were more memory leaks in that program than a sieve...) She was not restarting winders every crash, so I told her in the short term if it crashed she needed to restart winders every time, that would help lower the hard crashes until I had a chance to troubleshoot the problem. She went ballistic. "How the hell do you expect me to get my work done if I have to keep restarting windows?" (understandable...) Two hours later, I made it to her cubicle, and after an hour (troubleshooting, testing, double-checking, and fixing), figured out that it was the driver for her 3-button Logitech mouse (great mice, crappy drivers) was causing WPW to crash so often, so I removed the driver, and everything seemed fine... ... an hour later, I got an even more ballistic call - "Where the hell did my double-click go?" "'Scuse me?" "My middle button quit working! Where'd my double-click go?" "I told you, that was the reason why your WP was crashing. You wanted that fixed, I fixed it. "Well, how the HELL do you expect me to get my work done without my double-click????" -- "You *might* try double-clicking on the left mouse button..." "I can't be bothered with doing THAT! Do you realize how much TIME having my double-click saves me! I just can't be BOTHERED to do that on my own!!! Get your a$$ back here and give me my double-click!!!" But ma'am, if I do that, your WP will start crashing again, and you'll need to restart your windows every time that happens. "I don't CARE! I just can't get my work done without my double-click!!!!!" It's times like those that make me wish I became a farmer instead... Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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OT: Been There, Screamed About That

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 09:58 AM 6/27/02 -0400, you wrote: > >> > 27) When you have a lock to pick on an old file cabinet, call IT >> > Support. We love to hack. >> >> You mean there are computer people who _can't_ pick filing cabinet locks? >> I am truely amazed.... >> > Yeah, a DeWalt cordless and the proper bit work wonders. :) Man! that's cheating! I used to work at Martin Marietta and they moved everyone around frequently. When they did we got other desks, file drawers etc. The problem was theat we now had to change keys and had to keep up with new ones. I became very popular when my co-workers found out that I could pick the locks on all the desks and cabinents, remove the lock cylinders then re-install them in their new furniture so that they could keep their old keys. Interestingly, the facilities people didn't mind. It saved them the trouble of replacing lost keys and what not. Joe

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OT: Been There, Screamed About That

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Joe > > At 09:58 AM 6/27/02 -0400, you wrote: > > > >> > 27) When you have a lock to pick on an old file cabinet, call IT > >> > Support. We love to hack. > >> > >> You mean there are computer people who _can't_ pick filing cabinet > locks? > >> I am truely amazed.... > >> > > Yeah, a DeWalt cordless and the proper bit work wonders. :) > > Man! that's cheating! I used to work at Martin Marietta and they moved > everyone around frequently. When they did we got other desks, file drawers > etc. The problem was theat we now had to change keys and had to keep up > with new ones. I became very popular when my co-workers found out that I > could pick the locks on all the desks and cabinents, remove the lock > cylinders then re-install them in their new furniture so that they could > keep their old keys. Interestingly, the facilities people didn't mind. It > saved them the trouble of replacing lost keys and what not. > > Joe > Not really, if you can't get the filing cabinet open, and needs it's contents right now. And can't wait 2 weeks for facilities to do it... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

24 years, 1 month

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Palladium and classic computing

by passerm＠umkc.edu

I've already decided that if the general public buys into it, and that the obvious dystopian implications of Palladium pan out, that my hobby use of computers can do quite well without the Internet as it would be shaped into a toll road with armed checkpoints. Perhaps this would spark a rennaisance of relayed messaging using modems a la Fido and UUCP to create an alternative network of computers that are controlled by their owners, rather than a cabal of "rights managers." This all assumes, of course, that to do so wouldn't be a felony.

24 years, 1 month

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Sharp PC-4600 - - - Help!

by zippydoug＠yahoo.com.au

Hi, I'm Doug. I've just spent a whole week trying to get a "Sharp PC-4600" up and running. It's been dead as a door nail the whole time I've had it, Untill today. The third time I pulled it a part, I discoverd what was wrong and have since corrected it. Yay! blue screen, disk drive lights and beeps! Now i'm stuck and need your help. After seting up the bios (set time, ports etc..), It asks for a "system disk". I've tryed start up disks 95 & ME. I doin't have windows 3.1 . In fact I doint know what operating system Sharp PC-4600 have, Since it does not have a HDD to store any thing. So what does it run on? Dos? If you have a System disk for a Sharp PC-4600, Could you copy whats on the disk and send it as an attach ment to me please!!! Many thanks in advance Doug. zippydoug(a)yahoo.com.au --------------------------------- SOLD.com.au- Find yourself a bargain!

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Gatorbox (was RE: APPLEVISION Monitor)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Chris > > >And I know Chris > >has the version that goes into a Cabletron (?) network hub, as a module. > >Ever start that up Chris? > > Not yet. I have more toys kicking around that I WANT to play with, than I > have time TO play with. > - Well, what extras do you have? I may want to liberate some... :) > Although, since Passwords seems to be an issue, I > should really get it up and check it before it is too late to contact the > person we bought it from in case I need a password. > - There's a fiber module in that hub too, isn't there? I'll try to get the pinout of the console cable, so you can just zap the F/W if you have to. > > As for documentation, I found... > > I also have a photo copy of the manuals that came with my Gator (the > manuals went to Dave as part of a halfsies deal to get mine cheaper)... > - That's right. I almost forgot about all those books. I can flip through them for info, if people need. -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Gatorbox (was RE: APPLEVISION Monitor)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com > > On Jun 26, 12:20, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > So... I had contemplated picking up one of the boxes I saw at Dayton, > > but was concerned about passwords. Does anyone on the list have a > > GatorBox? If so, what models? Docs? Know of any backdoors to get > > around missing passwords? > > I have a GatorBoxCS, and I have all the docs for it. It's not running at > the moment (temporary shortage of mains sockets) but IIRC you can reset it > to factory defaults. It might need a server to get a boot image from, > though. > > -- > Before I moved, and put mine away, I was about to re-flash the firmware, which clears all the asswords and settings. I'll try to dig up the info and files for doing that. Then I'll find a place on the net to put them, so other can download them. Note: you need a Mac with a serial port, and the console cable that came with them. I'll slap a meter on my console cable for the pinout, and post that too. :) IIRC, you should be able to just hook up a VT420 to the port after that, for twiddling the knobs. -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Semi-OT: Sony Data Discman

by Marion.Bates＠Dartmouth.EDU

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Forth for PDP-11

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > >> Hi >> Try >> >> >> : HI ." Hello World" ; >> >> HI >> >> >> Dwight ;) > >Looks a lot like the "Hello, World" program I found on the net, unfortuantly >I'm not having much luck. > >: HI ." Hello World" ; ."? >: HI ."Hello World" ; ."HELLO? >: HELLO ."Hello_World" ; ."HELLO_WORLD"? > > > Zane > Hi Try doing VLIST. You should get a list of all the words that are in this Forth. Look for words with " in them and $ in them. I doubt that it is missing ." but it might be. Dwight

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Resource on web for describing hard disk crash?

by foo＠siconic.com

Does anyone know of any resources on the web that describe the various sounds hard drives will make before they start to crash? Like, I know from experience that when I hear a hard drive occasionally buzz or give out a momentary high pitched squeal, it means the bearings are failing and it will probably eventually crash (maybe not soon, but eventually). Anyone have any info on this? Thanks! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Forth for PDP-11

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Hi > Try > > > : HI ." Hello World" ; > > HI > > > Dwight ;) Looks a lot like the "Hello, World" program I found on the net, unfortuantly I'm not having much luck. : HI ." Hello World" ; ."? : HI ."Hello World" ; ."HELLO? : HELLO ."Hello_World" ; ."HELLO_WORLD"? Zane

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Gatorbox (was RE: APPLEVISION Monitor)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 26, 12:20, Ethan Dicks wrote: > So... I had contemplated picking up one of the boxes I saw at Dayton, > but was concerned about passwords. Does anyone on the list have a > GatorBox? If so, what models? Docs? Know of any backdoors to get > around missing passwords? I have a GatorBoxCS, and I have all the docs for it. It's not running at the moment (temporary shortage of mains sockets) but IIRC you can reset it to factory defaults. It might need a server to get a boot image from, though. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Forth for PDP-11

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> > > SOL-11 - A Small Language and OS for the PDP-11 > > > > SOL is a small, non-standard, stand-alone FORTH kernel containing > > everything that is required to edit, store, recall, compile, and run > > programs on PDP-11 microcomputers. It is intended for a minimum > > operating system and programming environment. The FORTH language offers > > full access to the complete hardware. Device drivers for the console and > > some block devices are included. This is so cool! > > Supported Hardware > > > > * PDP-11 CPU with EIS (required) > > * 8K to 28K words of memory Dang, the EIS requirement sucks! This would be perfect for PDP-11/03's and SBC-11/21's. Unfortunatly the /03 needs the KEV11 option, and the SBC-11/21 is just plain out of luck. > Presumably it ignores the MMU (but doesn't object if one is present, as > few machines have EIS but no MMU). > > > * console terminal (preferrably VT100) > > * RX01/RX02 floppy disk drives > > * RL02 disk drive > > * TU58 tape drive > > I assume it needs the CPU, RAM, console and at least one of the mass > storage devices. It can't need _all_ the drives, surely? It only needs one of the drives. I just built it and booted the RL02 image on SIMH. It looks pretty cool, of course I don't know FORTH, so can't actually do anything.... I suspect the TU58 option means that it's possible to run this on a PDP-11 that doesn't have any drives, but has two SLU's, just run a TU58 emulator on a PC. > > The Sources > > > > SOL is written in PDP-11 assembly language and FORTH. The BTN11 > > assembler (version 0.9 or later) is required to compile the assembly > > part of SOL. > > 40187 2001-07-17 sol-11.tar.gz version 0.4 > > Sounds like just what I need (given that I have all of the supported > hardware!). I will take a look. Thanks.... You'll want a UNIX box to build everything. If you don't have a way to build the images I can through them up on my FTP site (if anyone needs this it would be best to send me a private email so I'm sure to see the request). Now to go googling for some FORTH documentation... Zane

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Gatorbox (was RE: APPLEVISION Monitor)

by mythtech＠mac.com

>And I know Chris >has the version that goes into a Cabletron (?) network hub, as a module. >Ever start that up Chris? Not yet. I have more toys kicking around that I WANT to play with, than I have time TO play with. Although, since Passwords seems to be an issue, I should really get it up and check it before it is too late to contact the person we bought it from in case I need a password. > As for documentation, I found... I also have a photo copy of the manuals that came with my Gator (the manuals went to Dave as part of a halfsies deal to get mine cheaper). So I can make more copies easily with them if anyone needs a set (now I can drop them on the sheet feeder and walk away.. it was this first set that was a dog as I had to turn the page, press the copy button, repeat for 3 somewhat decent sized manuals). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Bulk Tape Eraser: Revisited

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Actaully, if it's a Trinitron CRT, be more careful. It's not too hard to >distort the aperture grille (and thus ruin the CRT) with a degausing >coil. Don't think it is a Trinitron. Isn't that a Sony thing? This is a Sharp unit. I give the bulk eraser a shot before buying a coil. Thanks -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Gatorbox (was RE: APPLEVISION Monitor)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Ethan Dicks > > > --- David Woyciesjes <DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu> wrote: > > Or, if you can find a Cayman GatorBox GX-R, which provides a > > LocalTalk-Ethernet bridge, DECnet routing, UNIX-LocalTalk printing, and > > UNIX based files services... > > I'd been meaning to bring up GatorBoxen since I saw pallets of them > at the Dayton ComputerFest last August. ISTR they were in the $10-$20 > range. > > My only experience was with one (not sure about the model) at Scott Base. > It was fine until they wanted to change some networking parameter but > did not have the passwords (the technician who installed it had been > gone for years, and he probably gave the passwords to the Station > Manager who had been gone just as long, I'd wager).. > > So... I had contemplated picking up one of the boxes I saw at Dayton, > but was concerned about passwords. Does anyone on the list have a > GatorBox? If so, what models? Docs? Know of any backdoors to get > around missing passwords? > > In the meantime, I'll stick with the $10 PPC Macs I've been getting, and > when I do occasionally need to fire up a Compact Mac, I do have a > SCSI<->Ethernet box that works fine. > - Well, my GatorStar GX-R is the rackmount version. And I know Chris has the version that goes into a Cabletron (?) network hub, as a module. Ever start that up Chris? And sounds like my situation. There's admin passwords on mine. Haven't had a chance to hack them yet. I should try that out soon. Granted, none of my home network is set up right now... You can get software to reflash the firmware, using a Mac on it's console port. That should eliminate the passwords for you. Cayman, which is now part of Netopia, used to have their software on the website, but I can't find it now. Looks like Netopia dumped it. I have the files around here somewhere. As for documentation, I found... http://opcenter.cso.uiuc.edu/nas//nash/mac/gbox.html I also found this page just now in the WayBack machine... http://web.archive.org/web/19970705033723/www.cayman.com/gx.html http://web.archive.org/web/19970705034344/www.cayman.com/specs.html Let me know if you need more assistance. -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

24 years, 2 months

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APPLEVISION Monitor

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Chris > > >We'd best just agree to disagree about Apple Computer Co product quality. > > I'm sure not aiming to start another flame war :-) > Thank you both! ;) > >One thing that I've wondered is how one gets an old MAC to talk on the > >Ethernet when it's a mixed environment with Netware and Windows NT > >servers.. > > > >What do you know about that? > > Most Macs, since sometime in the early 90's have come with ethernet on > board. The exceptions were the home targeted models (like the Performa > series), where ethernet was an optional add on. Every mac since the G3 > comes with ethernet standard (basically, with the death of the performa > line came the death of optional ethernet.... > > That pretty much means, every mac from the Plus on can support ethernet. > > .... > If you can't get AppleTalk supported, then you will have to add things to > the Mac to access the servers. There are 3rd party apps out there to > enable the Mac to speak to a number of different systems. If this is > something you want to do, I will be happy to discuss it with you, but it > is going to get off topic really fast, so we are better off taking it off > list. > > -chris > Or, if you can find a Cayman GatorBox GX-R, which provides a LocalTalk-Ethernet bridge, DECnet routing, UNIX-LocalTalk printing, and UNIX based files services... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

24 years, 2 months

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[CCTECH] Latest Finds in Houston

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

1. Several TI 99/4A cartridges: Extended Basic PHM3026 Plato Interpreter Solid State PHM3122 Logo II OHM 3109 Editor/Assembler PHM 3055 Microsoft Multiplan PHM 313 Return To Pirates Isle PHM 3189 2. Some Atari 2600 cartridges 3. PB Legend 520SX system 4. Silver-Reed EXP770 printer 5. Samsung Composite color monitor 6. TurboPad for TurboGrafix16 still looking for power supplies for these puppies. 7. Sega control pad for the Master system. 8. Several other items to new to list here.

24 years, 2 months

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Forth for PDP-11

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > >> >> > SOL-11 - A Small Language and OS for the PDP-11 >> > >> > SOL is a small, non-standard, stand-alone FORTH kernel containing >> > everything that is required to edit, store, recall, compile, and run >> > programs on PDP-11 microcomputers. It is intended for a minimum >> > operating system and programming environment. The FORTH language offers >> > full access to the complete hardware. Device drivers for the console and >> > some block devices are included. > >This is so cool! > >> > Supported Hardware >> > >> > * PDP-11 CPU with EIS (required) >> > * 8K to 28K words of memory > >Dang, the EIS requirement sucks! This would be perfect for PDP-11/03's and >SBC-11/21's. Unfortunatly the /03 needs the KEV11 option, and the SBC-11/21 >is just plain out of luck. > >> Presumably it ignores the MMU (but doesn't object if one is present, as >> few machines have EIS but no MMU). >> >> > * console terminal (preferrably VT100) >> > * RX01/RX02 floppy disk drives >> > * RL02 disk drive >> > * TU58 tape drive >> >> I assume it needs the CPU, RAM, console and at least one of the mass >> storage devices. It can't need _all_ the drives, surely? > >It only needs one of the drives. > >I just built it and booted the RL02 image on SIMH. It looks pretty cool, of >course I don't know FORTH, so can't actually do anything.... > >I suspect the TU58 option means that it's possible to run this on a PDP-11 >that doesn't have any drives, but has two SLU's, just run a TU58 emulator on >a PC. > >> > The Sources >> > >> > SOL is written in PDP-11 assembly language and FORTH. The BTN11 >> > assembler (version 0.9 or later) is required to compile the assembly >> > part of SOL. >> > 40187 2001-07-17 sol-11.tar.gz version 0.4 >> >> Sounds like just what I need (given that I have all of the supported >> hardware!). I will take a look. Thanks.... > >You'll want a UNIX box to build everything. If you don't have a way to >build the images I can through them up on my FTP site (if anyone needs this >it would be best to send me a private email so I'm sure to see the request). > >Now to go googling for some FORTH documentation... > > Zane > Hi Try: http://www.forth.org/ For I/O, you may need to look at the source code some. It varies from amchine to machine. Everything in Forth is a word. A word can be as short as : or longer. These words have actions. Some expect a string, as in : expects a name and ." expect a string. Words that start with . are usually some kind of print. The sequence: 4 . will print the number 4. Here is another fun definition: : .H BASE @ SWAP HEX U. BASE ! ; DECIMAL 45 .H Disk I/O on fig Forth was block I/O. To access the first block: 0 BLOCK ( returns the address of the buffer, usually 1K ) If you type: UPDATE FLUSH it will write the buffer back to the disk. You could modify the data by: 55 0 BLOCK ! UPDATE FLUSH Not a good idea to try until you know what damage is done. The site I just sent does have some tutorials but remember there were several standards. Most are similar but some will be different enough to cause troubles. Examples: 2 NOT will return different values for fig and F89. I forget which but one will be 0 and the other will be FFFD hex or -3. One complements the flag and the other complements the bits. A good book to find is called "Starting Forth" by Leo Brodie. Dwight

24 years, 2 months

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Bulk Tape Eraser: Revisited

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

or maybe I just have to unplug it rather than switch it off When you turn it off, and leave it in Line mode, and have an audio feed to the Line such as from a VCR, you can hear the audio real silently coming thru it, so there is a good chance the on/off button only does a standby mode. With there still being sound this seems likely. If the magnetism is strong it may take two weeks of switching off overnight to visibly reduce it and once or twice a week after that to keep it gone. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

24 years, 2 months

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[CCTECH] any ISIS info out there?

by dpeschel＠eskimo.com

Since I've been curious about ISIS for some time, I was glad to finally borrow a copy of the _ISIS-II System User's Guide_. Comparing ISIS to CP/M is quite instructive. I already knew that CP/M has a few design flaws which ISIS lacks. On the other hand, I was surprised at how much memory ISIS takes up. And ISIS has its own design flaws (things are fatal errors that might be recoverable in CP/M, disk formatting can be quite complicated). Does anyone have details on the monitor, ICE80 (simulator), UPM (PROM programmer), or PLM80? I have seen the System/360 version of PL/M but I didn't realize it ran _on_ the 8080. (The manual implies that it does.) Having a system that can develop its own software is important, I would say. (Yes, Tony, we already talked about the front panel and monitor on one of the Intellec systems, but I think this hardware/software is different.) -- Derek _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

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Looking for manual: Network Systems Corporation's Network Security Router

by foo＠siconic.com

I'm looking for the manuals for Network Systems Corporation "Security Router". I am most interested in the section describing the Packet Control Facility (PCF). I need the edition published prior to 10/1994 (most likely edition 1.0 or 2.0). Possible bounty ($$$) involved ;) Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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[CCTECH] Re: any ISIS info out there?

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > >Hi Derek, > > > ISIS is a VERY primitive system IMO. It only has six commands total (IIRC) Then again, it supports submit files, conditional execution and return codes. Primitive but more potential power than the early DOS. The only thing I found missing was that it really wasn't a multi-user OS. Dwight > and the file systems is truly STRANGE. I've been wondering about the system >calls too. My manuals mention them but don't provide ANY details and I have a >pretty complete set of manuals. What system are you running it on? I >currently have a 800, an 880 and 235 plus another 235 that I'm storing for >someone else. > > BTW I finally picked up a hard drive for mine after 7 or 8 years of searching. :-) > > Joe > >At 03:41 AM 6/24/02 -0700, you wrote: >>On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 02:58:26AM -0700, Derek Peschel wrote: >>> (Yes, Tony, we already talked about the front panel and monitor on one of >>> the Intellec systems, but I think this hardware/software is different.) >> >>At any rate the disk seems to have an additional ROM. Also the manual >>mentions system calls which aren't in the list of commands I have. >> >>-- Derek >>_______________________________________________ >>cctech mailing list >>cctech(a)classiccmp.org >>http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech >> > >_______________________________________________ >cctech mailing list >cctech(a)classiccmp.org >http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech >

24 years, 2 months

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Forth for PDP-11

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > >> >> > SOL-11 - A Small Language and OS for the PDP-11 >> > >> > SOL is a small, non-standard, stand-alone FORTH kernel containing >> > everything that is required to edit, store, recall, compile, and run >> > programs on PDP-11 microcomputers. It is intended for a minimum >> > operating system and programming environment. The FORTH language offers >> > full access to the complete hardware. Device drivers for the console and >> > some block devices are included. > >This is so cool! > >> > Supported Hardware >> > >> > * PDP-11 CPU with EIS (required) >> > * 8K to 28K words of memory > >Dang, the EIS requirement sucks! This would be perfect for PDP-11/03's and >SBC-11/21's. Unfortunatly the /03 needs the KEV11 option, and the SBC-11/21 >is just plain out of luck. > >> Presumably it ignores the MMU (but doesn't object if one is present, as >> few machines have EIS but no MMU). >> >> > * console terminal (preferrably VT100) >> > * RX01/RX02 floppy disk drives >> > * RL02 disk drive >> > * TU58 tape drive >> >> I assume it needs the CPU, RAM, console and at least one of the mass >> storage devices. It can't need _all_ the drives, surely? > >It only needs one of the drives. > >I just built it and booted the RL02 image on SIMH. It looks pretty cool, of >course I don't know FORTH, so can't actually do anything.... Hi Try : HI ." Hello World" ; HI Dwight ;) > >I suspect the TU58 option means that it's possible to run this on a PDP-11 >that doesn't have any drives, but has two SLU's, just run a TU58 emulator on >a PC. > >> > The Sources >> > >> > SOL is written in PDP-11 assembly language and FORTH. The BTN11 >> > assembler (version 0.9 or later) is required to compile the assembly >> > part of SOL. >> > 40187 2001-07-17 sol-11.tar.gz version 0.4 >> >> Sounds like just what I need (given that I have all of the supported >> hardware!). I will take a look. Thanks.... > >You'll want a UNIX box to build everything. If you don't have a way to >build the images I can through them up on my FTP site (if anyone needs this >it would be best to send me a private email so I'm sure to see the request). > >Now to go googling for some FORTH documentation... > > Zane >

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Bulk Tape Eraser: Revisited

by mythtech＠mac.com

>You have, the degauss coil built into the set. Just switch it off >at the mains when you use it least (overnight or whenever) >instead of putting it on standby and the set will degauss >itself in a few days. Mine either doesn't have it, or it doesn't work (I tried the on/off thing many times in the past, never seems to help) It is a Sharp commercial quality TV. I got it from Disney Property Control when working there. Paid $25 bucks for it. It was pulled from the Walt Disney World Dolphin AV Department. The front panel that flips up to cover the buttons is missing, and there is some asthetic damage to the bezel, and the screen draws a little low, so you can see the synch line across the top... but other than that, it is a VERY nice TV for $25 (stereo, has S-Video inputs, and its a flat tube so in my opinion, the colors are a bit nicer and glare is reduced). So maybe the degauss is also broken, or maybe I just have to unplug it rather than switch it off. When you turn it off, and leave it in Line mode, and have an audio feed to the Line such as from a VCR, you can hear the audio real silently coming thru it, so there is a good chance the on/off button only does a standby mode. (The audio leak is also REAL fun when guests stay the night, I leave it in a state where it will leak sound, and then tell people before they go to sleep that I sometimes have ghost problems, but not to worry they are harmless ghosts.... then I get a great laugh in the morning when they are all freaked out because they heard whispering voices all night long) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Bulk Tape Eraser: Revisited

by mythtech＠mac.com

Thinking about my Bulk Tape Eraser... and all the use of the word gauss in the replies... can I use the thing to degauss my TV set at home? It has a nasty purple zone on one side, and yellow on the other (large speakers have sat too close to the TV for the last 3 years... I recently rearranged furniture so the speakers are away from it now). Can I use something as small as the tape eraser on a 25 inch screen? or do I really have to buy a CRT degaussing ring. Just trying to save myself the $35 for a ring if I have something that will do the job sitting here already. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Can anyone identify this board for a Heath H-89?

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

Re: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2034559690 (Ebay auction of Heath H-89) If you look at the last picture in the listing, it show a board that is mounted on top of the CRT. The same picture clearly shows the mounting screws for both the terminal board + the CPU board, so this has to be some sort of an aftermarket board. My thinking is it is some third-party graphics board. I just wonder if anyone else has any ideas about this. Gary ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************

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Bulk Tape Eraser: Revisited

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

can I use the thing to degauss my TV set at home? It has a nasty purple zone on one side, and yellow on the other Just trying to save myself the $35 for a ring if I have something that will do the job sitting here already. You have, the degauss coil built into the set. Just switch it off at the mains when you use it least (overnight or whenever) instead of putting it on standby and the set will degauss itself in a few days. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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PO/S disk images anywhere?

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

I thought I'd run across P/OS RX50 images on an ftp site somewhere recently, but I cannot find them now. I am attempting to save myself a _lot_ of work - the other night, I discovered that the shelf of grey boxes marked "Professional..." on my shelves contain several sets of PO/S distribution floppies - one each of most, if not all, the versions. Since I've recently set up a box with a 5.25" floppy and PUTR, I was thinking of archiving them, but if it's already been done, no need to to it twice. I did re-locate my Ultrix-32M 1.1 diskettes last night... they are on the stack. I have MicroVMS 4.0 done, can't find any of MicroVMS 4.1 and am missing one box of MicroVMS 4.2, but have MicroVMS 4.4 through 4.7, seemingly complete. So... the specific question at hand - are there available PO/S floppy images, or should I run several pounds of media through my drive? -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

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[OT] Waddizzit??

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Michael Passer <passerm(a)umkc.edu> > PCs, unlike televisions, are sold as being user-upgradable--it is no more > "servicing" to add a card or drive to a PC than adding a component to a > high-end stereo is. Yes, but I've seen customers open up the box if Windows doesn't work the way they expect ;>) Coupla examples of customer repairs and "upgrades": Proprietary Mitsumi CD-ROM drive plugged into IDE port on a sound card (burnt board). Hard drive or CD-ROM drive attached to motherboard by floppy drive cable. IDE cables spliced together so the system can accommodate more than four IDE devices. PCI device edge-connector forced into an ISA slot (burnt pcb on device and motherboard). Sound card attached to case properly, but toward the outside edge of the motherboard (where there was no slot of any kind -- sound card's edge connector was hanging in the air above the MB). > I would probably be frustrated myself if customers tried to return items > they destroyed. It's certainly your prerogative to sell PCs with > warranty stickers. To me, though, that's a deal-killer, absent the kind > of relationship you appear to have with your knowledgeable customers. If someone seems capable of installing a device AND DRIVERS, I tell them to break the seal, and I also tell them that if they screw something up that there might be a repair bill. For the general public, though, it's "break the seal and lose your warranty." Fair enough? Glen 0/0 If I am not for myself, then who will be for me? And if not now, when? -- Pirkei Avot

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Can anyone identify this board for a Heath H-89?

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

Dwight, The connector blanks shown in the picture are factory standard of the later models, and they included a BLANK for 488. I agree, I don't think Heath ever made a card to implement it, buy my '89 has the 488 blank on it also. The only IO positions populated would indicate a 3-port Serial, and an extern floppy I/F of some sort (they supported 8" and Hard and Soft 5 1/4" of various densities. I remember seeing third party adds (in the day) for add-on graphics capabilities, but don't really remember how they were installed. ISTR that they were replacement boards for the terminal board, but I could be wrong. The reason I asked was, as a kid, I drooled over the ability to do pixel graphics on a CP/M machine. I wonder if this would be a cheap way to pick on up? Probably 0 documentation on it. Maybe I'll email him.... Gary > From: Dwight K. Elvey [mailto:dwightk.elvey@amd.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:49 AM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Can anyone identify this board for a Heath H-89? > > > > Hi Gary > The list of ports would lead me to think it was expanded > I/O. The 89 didn't have such things as a 488 port. > Dwight > > ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************

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cctalk digest, Vol 1 #63 - 59 msgs

by bqt＠update.uu.se

On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org wrote: > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) > Subject: Re: final brainteaser for the day > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 01:37:29 +0100 (BST) > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > [PDP11] > > > Forth! There's a bootable forth around? That'd be fantastic... > > There _was_... > > FIG Forth was available for the PDP11 at one time, and at least one > varient included a small bootstrap which pulled the Forth kernel, etc > into memory. Disk access was then via the standard 1K 'screens'. > > I think the only disk it supported (both for booting and for > reading/writing screens) was the RX01 (and maybe later the RX02). It > would be possible to modify the disk I/O code to handle other devices, I > guess. > > There was also a version that ran under RT11 and used an RT11 file as a > 'virtual disk' to store the screens. This is the only version I've ever > seen, and not having an RT11 license I can't run it. > > If anyone knows the whereabouts of the standalone version I am > interested. I am pretty sure it was Public Domain (most FIG Forths are). Ho hum... On MAGICA::DU3:[FORTH] perhaps? :-) Looking at FORTH.MAC, the header says: .TITLE F.I.G. ; **************************************************************** ; ; PDP-11 FORTH INTRODUCTION PDP-11 FORTH ; ; **************************************************************** ; ; ; ; PDP-11 FORTH RT-11, RSX-11M, AND STAND-ALONE JANUARY 1980 Oh, you can also pick it up at ftp://ftp.update.uu.se/pub/pdp11/rsx/lang/forth Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Circuit board parts removal [was: Bulk Tape... / 486Linux...]

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> > >>Dave W--- > > >> Personally, I like the idea of cooking it all off over a high > > >>flame... 8-) > > > >From: Chris <mythtech(a)mac.com> > > >Mmmmm... Bar-B-Que'd Pentium... tasty with a bit of A-1 sauce! (of > > >course, if you want BBQ Pentium, just pull the heat sink and fan and > let > > >it cook itself) > > "Dwight K. Elvey" wrote: > > I've not tried it but I'm told that peanut oil works > > well. > > Dwight > > From: Marvin Johnston > > The problem with peanut oil is that it deteriorates rapidly at higher > temperatures. It *was* used for fusing the tin-lead plating on circuit > boards into solder, but it has been replaced with other oils that are > MUCH more stable at higher temperatures. I used to fuse boards at about > 450F, and it would take about 45 seconds or so to start discoloring the > board. > > We won't talk about the smoke generated on the kitchen stove when I > first tried it :). > > Awww, why not? :) I'm curious... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Circuit board parts removal [was: Bulk Tape... / 486 Linux...]

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: Chris <mythtech(a)mac.com> > >> Personally, I like the idea of cooking it all off over a high >>flame... 8-) > >Mmmmm... Bar-B-Que'd Pentium... tasty with a bit of A-1 sauce! (of >course, if you want BBQ Pentium, just pull the heat sink and fan and let >it cook itself) > >-chris ><http://www.mythtech.net> > > Hi I've not tried it but I'm told that peanut oil works well. Dwight

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[gstrekel@limra.com: VAX Cluster]

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Aww man, that's under an hour away from me! And I got a pickup truck! Not that it would all fit at one time... :) Now, if I only had the space, and power. > From: Bill Bradford > > Wow.. Anybody want a cluster? 8-) > > Bill > > ----- Forwarded message from gstrekel(a)limra.com ----- > > From: gstrekel(a)limra.com > To: mrbill(a)decvax.org > Subject: VAX Cluster > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:19:34 -0400 > > Hello, > > We are powering down our VAX Cluster for the last time on July 1, 2002 and > we want to remove if from the computer room as soon as possible after > that. > > Our Cluster consists of a VAX 7710, VAX 6410, MicroVAX 3100/10E and > MicroVAX > 3100/30. We are using MTI hard and tape drives for storage. All the > Digital > equipment has been under maintenance contract with Digital for the life of > the equipment and all the equipment is in fine working order (but of > course). > > We also have a couple of printers, 3 or 4 monitors, a 19" monitor that > uses > a mouse, and various documentation. > > We are located in Windsor, Connecticut, 1 mile from exit 38 on Rt. 91. > > I have sent out an email offering the system to a group of Connecticut > hospitals that may be using similar equipment, but I have no preference of > were it goes. (Irrationally, I would like it to go to a good home were it > could still be productive). > > If you have any ideas, please let me know. > > Thanks, > > Giles Strekel > LIMRA International > 300 Day Hill Road > Windsor, CT > > 860-298-3848 > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Circuit board parts removal [was: Bulk Tape... / 486 Linux...]

by mythtech＠mac.com

> Personally, I like the idea of cooking it all off over a high >flame... 8-) Mmmmm... Bar-B-Que'd Pentium... tasty with a bit of A-1 sauce! (of course, if you want BBQ Pentium, just pull the heat sink and fan and let it cook itself) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Circuit board parts removal [was: Bulk Tape... / 486 Linux...]

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> > >Scary as that might be. Building > > >a computer desk and office out of failed computer parts. Now, just to > win > > >the damned lottery so I can actually spend at least 5 minutes a day > > >figuring out how to obtain enough parts and break them down into > something > > >workable. > > > >If a guy here in NJ can build an entire castle and property out of > >garbage and broken stuff, you should be able to handle some office > >furniture. > > > >-chris > > > From: John Boffemmyer IV > > lol, true Chris. Now, where to find enough circuit boards. The other > question that has come to mind: how the hell do I clean off / smooth off > the boards to make them flat enough to mount to a wall, etc without the > nasty sharp solder hang-offs and chips, etc. hanging off and getting in > the > way.... > -John > Hmm, how about holding the board over a gas grill, with a pan to catch the dripping solder? Or would that not be hot enough? Put the circuit board on a cookie cooling rack, with a baking sheet to catch the drippings? Of course, there's always a benchgrinder, cut-off wheel on a drill, end-nips, diagonal cutters... Or you could do the slow way of a soldering iron. Personally, I like the idea of cooking it all off over a high flame... 8-) -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Can anyone identify this board for a Heath H-89?

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Messick, Gary" <Gary.Messick(a)itt.com> > >Re: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2034559690 (Ebay >auction of Heath H-89) > >If you look at the last picture in the listing, it show a board that is >mounted on top of the CRT. The same picture clearly shows the mounting >screws for both the terminal board + the CPU board, so this has to be some >sort of an aftermarket board. My thinking is it is some third-party >graphics board. I just wonder if anyone else has any ideas about this. > >Gary > > > Hi Gary The list of ports would lead me to think it was expanded I/O. The 89 didn't have such things as a 488 port. Dwight

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[gstrekel@limra.com: VAX Cluster]

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Wow.. Anybody want a cluster? 8-) Bill ----- Forwarded message from gstrekel(a)limra.com ----- From: gstrekel(a)limra.com To: mrbill(a)decvax.org Subject: VAX Cluster Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:19:34 -0400 Hello, We are powering down our VAX Cluster for the last time on July 1, 2002 and we want to remove if from the computer room as soon as possible after that. Our Cluster consists of a VAX 7710, VAX 6410, MicroVAX 3100/10E and MicroVAX 3100/30. We are using MTI hard and tape drives for storage. All the Digital equipment has been under maintenance contract with Digital for the life of the equipment and all the equipment is in fine working order (but of course). We also have a couple of printers, 3 or 4 monitors, a 19" monitor that uses a mouse, and various documentation. We are located in Windsor, Connecticut, 1 mile from exit 38 on Rt. 91. I have sent out an email offering the system to a group of Connecticut hospitals that may be using similar equipment, but I have no preference of were it goes. (Irrationally, I would like it to go to a good home were it could still be productive). If you have any ideas, please let me know. Thanks, Giles Strekel LIMRA International 300 Day Hill Road Windsor, CT 860-298-3848 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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QBUS memory

by meltie＠myrealbox.com

Hello guys I'm trying to resurrect a PDP 11/23 and we're in need of a QBUS memory card - does anyone have one for spare/swap? Thanks for your time Alex -- Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching.

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final brainteaser for the day

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 24, 23:43, Tony Duell wrote: > RT11 (in various flavours) > RSTS/E > RSX11 (which covers at least RSX11S, RSX11M, RSX11M+, and a few I've > forgotten) > IAS (I think there are several versions of this -- IAS11/D or something) > DSM (~= MUMPS) > XXDP+ (really just a loader for diagnostics...) > Unix (many versions -- relase 5, 6, 7, 7m, BSD 2.09. BSD 2.11, Ultrix-11, > Venix,...) > Xinu > Tripos > Various languages including their own OS (Single user BASIC, Multi-user > BASIC, MINC BASIC, Forth, etc) > The paper tape programming system. You missed Fuzzball. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Starting from Scratch (was Re: OT: Modern college educa

by domitz＠onebox.com

I was part of the team of "Research Assistants" who assisted in the development of the Huntington Computer Project, under the tutilage of Dr. Ludwig Braun, Jr. It covered a number of school districts in Suffolk County on Long Island in New York State. I would be interested in your thoughts of the project, based on what you have. Thank you. -- Robert Domitz domitz(a)onebox.com - email

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Needs to Go: NeXT Color Printer

by jingber＠ix.netcom.com

I have a NeXT Color Printer that I need to get rid of. Appears to have never have been used, as there is no trace of ink in the lines that is present once the printer has initially had ink installed. Good shape overall. I have no ink for this printer, but I believe compatible inks may be available. Also includes the manual and paper bale. Will let go for the cost of shipping (USPS) from 33327 (FT. Lauderdale, FL). Will also trade for a working Apple Profile. LMK, Jeff

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[OT] Waddizzit??

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> > I don't have a problem with passwords in this case. What does puzzle me, > however, is that the software installation from the PB CD's doesn't seem to > work at all. Richard, I can tell you from direct experience that there are lots of PBs and Compaqs out there which the "factory restore disks" won't work on. Also, those restore disks are usually full of crap software which will chew up half the HD with garbage nobody wants. Your best bet is to do a clean Win9x installation, then install the required drivers for whatever devices are present. > I've tried to reinstall the OS, since the OS on the main drive > was Win98, yet the CD set and the doc's in the files on the system suggest > it's supposed to be Win95 Those units shipped with Win95, so somebody must have "upgraded" the OS. > and I'm unable to install the tv-card software, > either for want of directions or for want of brains, and possibly both. It > should work with the original CD's, but apparently it's more than meets the > eye. Take Joe's advice & grab the FCC ID # off the individual cards. You can then at least locate the real manufacturer at the FCC site or driverguide.com. Win9x has built-in drivers for the basic video functions but does not have the code for the TV stuff; once again, driverguide.com will probably help. Also, you've probably got an Aztech sound/modem combo in there. I have drivers for most of these so shoot me the FCC ID and I'll email you the drivers. Glen 0/0 If I am not for myself, then who will be for me? And if not now, when? -- Pirkei Avot

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Anyone Care About RT-11

by jhfinepw4z＠compsys.to

In regard to the Freeware CDs for RSX-11 and RT-11 If you are not receiving this paragraph as part of an individual message, then you are not on my list of individuals who may wish to receive their own copies of the CDs. In that case, please reply so that you can be placed on my list when I send out an e-mail with my address. At that time, unless otherwise requested, I will send out a single e-mail to all of the individuals who have expressed an interest - so that you will all know who each other are and have e-mail addresses with which to correspond to each other. Currently, there are 12 individuals on the list in addition to Tim Shoppa. This individual reply will probably be the last before I send you my address so you can send the funds for as many of the 3 CDs that you wish to have. The only thing left is to try and obtain a file which contains the image of the label on the CD. Some of you have received these CDs from Tim Shoppa and for accuracy, I would like to duplicate the actual label that Tim used. If anyone who already has a copy of any of the 3 CDs could help by providing a file that can be sent to a laser printer to produce the labels, that would be appreciated. If I have not received a positive response within a few weeks, then if someone who already has the RSX-11 CDs can at least provide me with the words on both the ".iso" and the "ods1" CDs, that would be second best. I already have the words to be used with the RT-11 CD. I have now finished the verification tasks that I feel are needed to ensure that I am producing correct images. I will be making some copies of the CD images from: ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/cd-images/ http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/ http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RT-11/ http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RSX-11/ that I have downloaded and wish to offload from my hard disk drive. I have verified each of the 2 RSX-11 and the 1 RT-11 images against the MD5 values in the file MD5SUMS and they are the same. After I copied the images on my hard drive to the CD, I verified them against their respective images in their hard drive files. To do so, I used RT-11 and BINCOM (with some of my own modifications which allows me to also verify block 65535 at the end of each RT-11 partition). Since there are a maximum of 20 RT-11 partitions on each CD and each BINCOM run takes me less than 30 seconds, the whole comparison can be done in less than 10 minutes - which is about the length of time it takes to make the CD copy in the first place. Since there might be a number of individuals who can't download at a reasonable speed (even with DSL it takes about 3 hours each at about 30 KBytes per second as compared with about 3 KBytes per second on a dial up line), I am prepared to make additional copies (Tim Shoppa no longer seems to have the time to do so) and make them available at my cost (for media, label, envelope and shipping carton plus postage to the US) and make them available at my cost of about $ 5 / $ 8 / $ 10 for 1 / 2 / 3 CDs. If you prefer to have me use Maxell Black brand CDs which I have been told last about twice as long, the cost will be $ 1 more per CD. Note that all the prices are in US dollars for destinations in the US and postage from Canada. If you are in a different country, the postage will be different. I have yet to verify these prices to be sure that they cover my costs, in particular the postage after the CD is ready to be mailed, but I am 99% sure they should be adequate. Note that the images at Tim's site are ".bz2" files while the images at classiccmp are ".gz" images. For myself (Windows 98 and Netscape 4.78) DOES NOT WORK with the ".gz" images (since the file is automatically expanded - and the result is incorrect), but Carlos Murillo sent me a Windows 98 version of wget which does work, I suppose on any file. By the way, I tried to hold the SHIFT key down while I was clicking my way through the download procedures of the ".gz" files under Netscape and that did not help. Note that the images at the classiccmp site are ".gz" files, so they are slightly larger. Since I did my original download >from the full size images, I did not initially have a problem with expanding. However, after I successfully downloaded the ".gz" files with wget, I used WinZip under Windows 98. After I downloaded the ".bz2" files, I used bzip2 to expand them under Windows 98. Both expanded files were identical to the full size image, so obviously all three produced the correct MD5 value. If you need help and are running Windows 98 or a compatible OS, I can send you copies of both "bzip2.exe" and "MD5.exe", but not for others OSs. For other OSs (and Windows 98) for bzip2 programs, see: http://sources.redhat.com/bzip2/ and click on either: PC, Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP PC, Windows 95/98/NT/2000. for bzip2.exe - I was advised to use the second older version and did - it worked fine under Windows 98. For MD5 programs, see either: ftp://ftp.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/tools/unix/crypto/md5/ http://www.fourmilab.ch/md5/ I obtained my MD5 programs at the first site. By the way, for myself, I would VERY much appreciate being in touch with all individuals who have a copy of the RT-11 Freeware CD V2.0 so that we might exchange information about RT-11. Tim Shoppa felt that he might be violating privacy concerns if he made the names, of those who ordered the CD, available. I don't see it that way, so if you want your name to be known along with the other individuals (or not as the case may be - i.e. restrict that you have a copy of the RT-11 CD to ONLY specified individuals such as possibly just myself) so that you can receive interesting information about new developments in RT-11 and the status of the operating system, then PLEASE contact me so that we can share information. Also state if you want to be known to the entire group of just to specified individuals such as myself. PLUS, as for TSX-PLUS, I am going to try again to knock at the door of S&H to see what they may consider for hobby users. Some of you have already expressed an interest in the CDs. I hope that I have sent a personal copy of this post. If I somehow missed you, please send me your request again. For those users who receive a personal copy of this e-mail, you are already on my list. I will send you a mailing address when I am ready to burn the CDs. Please reply if you are still interested. Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year.

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final brainteaser for the day

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Not listed on the "complete" list is XINU, which is an educational > operating system developed at Purdue University by Dr. Comer (his > students, and others) and was taught on LSI-11s for a number of > years before newer more modern processors took their place. > > "XINU" == "Xinu Is Not Unix" > > --tom Hmmm, in taking another look at the list, I'm guessing that the author chose to group all UNIX varients except Ultrix and Venix under "UNIX". Kind of odd when you consider how many RSX varients are listed. Zane

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RX50 -> QBUS

by GOOI＠oce.nl

That's an easy question. Check the Field Guide: M7555 RQDX3 Q MFM Winchester and floppy disk controller M7555 (RX50/RX33/RD50-54/RD31/RD32/RD33) - Henk. http://home.hetnet.nl/~tshaj > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex White [mailto:meltie@myrealbox.com] > Sent: maandag 24 juni 2002 16:29 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: RX50 -> QBUS > > > Is it possible to interface an RX50 unit to a QBUS? Which > card would one > need? > > Alex

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RX50 -> QBUS

by meltie＠myrealbox.com

Is it possible to interface an RX50 unit to a QBUS? Which card would one need? Alex -- Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching.

24 years, 2 months

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Weird RAM

by aw288＠osfn.org

The other weirdness to pass my eye (but managed to get) is a small package of chips. These are "purple" DIPs, 16 or 18 pins (can't recall offhand), with two LCCCs piggybacked. This method of construction is common in very high end memory chips and military assemblies. The LCCCs are Mosteks, and some are clearly labelled MK4116 with 1980-ish datecodes. Memory, probably, the good 'ol 16K DRAM. But the weirdness...two DRAMs on a package is pretty weird (I suppose making a 32Kx 1 or 16K x 2), but these things have Apple logos. Huh? William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

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final brainteaser for the day

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> > >Alex White wrote: > > > Can you describe all the PDP OSen and variants out there? > > *grins* > > Alex > > Jerome Fine replies: > > YES!! > *grins* (You just asked "Can you" - not to actually describe them!) > > Now, to actually describe them "all", I don't think it is worth while > to spend all that amount ot time (a few centuries) or the space. But, > The major 3 are (there are many more): > > RSTS/E > > RSX-11 Shoot, that one statement covers, what, 9 OS's? > RT-11 There are so MANY more than this! For a partial list see the PDP-11 Emulation Webpage: http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/pdp11emu.html For a "complete" list see: http://www.village.org/pdp-11/faq.pages/pdpOSes.html Depending on how you count there is something like 20-34 different OS's. Zane

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Unitron U2200

by blacklord＠telstra.com

Turned up this machine today - Apple II clone isn't it ? This one comes with dual drive, mono monitor, 80 colum card & serial card. Machine boots, but I don't have either DOS or CP/M disks for it. I intend cleaning her up & offering her on eBay, is it wort anything or should I just ditch it ? cheers, Lance ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

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IBM Laserprinter Font Cards

by marvin＠rain.org

In the process of getting rid of stuff I don't particularly care to collect, I have 10 IBM Laserprinter Font Cards. The P/Ns (they all begin with 1255) are 800, 801, 803, 806, 807, 808, 825, 826, 828, and 829. $20.00 for all including US shipping.

24 years, 2 months

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Insanity

by classiccmp＠mail.vintage-computer.com

I was just monitoring this auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2032858555 For those who don't want to follow the link, it is a MITS Altair 8080 CPU board, rev 0, that sold for a whopping $787.77. The last one I saw sold for a bit over $250 and I thought THAT was insane. I was considering it as a spare. . . but not at 1/10th of that price. Stories of eBay's demise are greatly exaggerated! Erik

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Poly-88 tapes

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi All I have been recovering data from some old Poly-88 tapes. I've recovered the following: 1.Poly Tape based BASIC ( I also have a manual for this ) Programs for this BASIC 2. LANDER 3. STOCK 4. REVERSE 5. HAMURABI 6. CASHFLOW 7. A version of fig Forth 8. SMD ( Small Memory Dump from manual ) 9. TCPY ( a tape copy program that I wrote that only displays errors but doesn't stop. Useful for recovering bad tapes, keeping auto-start info and general copying of tapes ) 10. Poly Assembler ( I've not figured out how this works and I have no docs ). 11. SAVE, PEEK and POKE extensions, I wrote, for TinyBasic. 12. Last, I have image files for Tiny Basic to be put onto two 2708's that would go in the two empty sockets of the CPU board. A ^C would start TBASIC. I would be willing to make copies of all at cost for tapes and mailing. If anyone is interested, let me know? ( Sellam I. and Larry P. are already on my list ) If someone wants EPROMs for the TBASIC, I can program them for you, if you supply the EPROMs. Also, let me know if you want the tapes in Byte format, Poly format or both. Dwight

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[CCTECH] Mystery EPROM programmer

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Rich If this is the one I think it is, there should also be some RAM on the board as well. It should work with a KIM/SYM/AIM. I have one that I've used with my AIM. The software is simple. You just write to the address window for the EPROM a number of times and the EPROM gets programmed. As I recall, the board can be configued to do 2716's or 2732's. Poking around in your monitor can find the memory locations. Dwight >From: "Cini, Richard" <RCini(a)congressfinancial.com> > >Hello, all: > > While cleaning up in the shop this weekend, I found what looks to be >an EPROM programmer board. It's manufactured by Digital Matrix Associates >with a part number of 6500-001-PWB. > > It's about the size of a STD BUS card (4.5" x 6") with a 22/44 pin >edge connector and a right-angle 22/44 socket right above it. It has one ZIF >socket and 4 empty sockets. Forgot to count the pins, though. > > It's either for an AIM65 or a KIM, but since I never labeled it when >I got it, I can't remember. I'm guessing the AIM65, thought. > > Does anyone have any info on this card? > >Rich > >========================== >Richard A. Cini, Jr. >Congress Financial Corporation >1133 Avenue of the Americas >30th Floor >New York, NY 10036 >(212) 545-4402 >(212) 840-6259 (facsimile) > >_______________________________________________ >cctech mailing list >cctech(a)classiccmp.org >http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech >

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Holy Smokes!!!

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

I thought I might bid on it... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2032305295 Doc

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[CCTECH] Mystery EPROM programmer

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: While cleaning up in the shop this weekend, I found what looks to be an EPROM programmer board. It's manufactured by Digital Matrix Associates with a part number of 6500-001-PWB. It's about the size of a STD BUS card (4.5" x 6") with a 22/44 pin edge connector and a right-angle 22/44 socket right above it. It has one ZIF socket and 4 empty sockets. Forgot to count the pins, though. It's either for an AIM65 or a KIM, but since I never labeled it when I got it, I can't remember. I'm guessing the AIM65, thought. Does anyone have any info on this card? Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

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Anyone Care About RT-11

by jhfinepw4z＠compsys.to

In regard to the Freeware CDs for RSX-11 and RT-11 If you are not receiving this paragraph as part of an individual message, then you are not on my list of individuals who may wish to receive their own copies of the CDs. In that case, please reply so that you can be placed on my list when I send out an e-mail with my address. At that time, unless otherwise requested, I will send out a single e-mail to all of the individuals who have expressed an interest - so that you will all know who each other are and have e-mail addresses with which to correspond to each other. Currently, there are 9 individuals on the list in addition to Tim Shoppa. This individual reply will probably be the last before I send you my address so you can send the funds for as many of the 3 CDs that you wish to have. The only thing left is to try and obtain a file which contains the image of the label on the CD. Some of you have received these CDs from Tim Shoppa and for accuracy, I would like to duplicate the actual label that Tim used. If anyone who already has a copy of any of the 3 CDs could help by providing a file that can be sent to a laser printer to produce the labels, that would be appreciated. If I have not received a positive response within a few weeks, then if someone who already has the RSX-11 CDs can at least provide me with the words on both the ".iso" and the "ods1" CDs, that would be second best. I already have the words to be used with the RT-11 CD. I have now finished the verification tasks that I feel are needed to ensure that I am producing correct images. I will be making some copies of the CD images from: ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/cd-images/ http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/ http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RT-11/ http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RSX-11/ that I have downloaded and wish to offload from my hard disk drive. I have verified each of the 2 RSX-11 and the 1 RT-11 images against the MD5 values in the file MD5SUMS and they are the same. After I copied the images on my hard drive to the CD, I verified them against their respective images in their hard drive files. To do so, I used RT-11 and BINCOM (with some of my own modifications which allows me to also verify block 65535 at the end of each RT-11 partition). Since there are a maximum of 20 RT-11 partitions on each CD and each BINCOM run takes me less than 30 seconds, the whole comparison can be done in less than 10 minutes - which is about the length of time it takes to make the CD copy in the first place. Since there might be a number of individuals who can't download at a reasonable speed (even with DSL it takes about 3 hours each at about 30 KBytes per second as compared with about 3 KBytes per second on a dial up line), I am prepared to make additional copies (Tim Shoppa no longer seems to have the time to do so) and make them available at my cost (for media, label, envelope and shipping carton plus postage to the US) and make them available at my cost of about $ 5 / $ 8 / $ 10 for 1 / 2 / 3 CDs. If you prefer to have me use Maxell Black brand CDs which I have been told last about twice as long, the cost will be $ 1 more per CD. Note that all the prices are in US dollars for destinations in the US and postage from Canada. If you are in a different country, the postage will be different. I have yet to verify these prices to be sure that they cover my costs, in particular the postage after the CD is ready to be mailed, but I am 99% sure they should be adequate. Note that the images at Tim's site are ".bz2" files while the images at classiccmp are ".gz" images. For myself (Windows 98 and Netscape 4.78) DOES NOT WORK with the ".gz" images (since the file is automatically expanded - and the result is incorrect), but Carlos Murillo sent me a Windows 98 version of wget which does work, I suppose on any file. By the way, I tried to hold the SHIFT key down while I was clicking my way through the download procedures of the ".gz" files under Netscape and that did not help. Note that the images at the classiccmp site are ".gz" files, so they are slightly larger. Since I did my original download >from the full size images, I did not initially have a problem with expanding. However, after I successfully downloaded the ".gz" files with wget, I used WinZip under Windows 98. After I downloaded the ".bz2" files, I used bzip2 to expand them under Windows 98. Both expanded files were identical to the full size image, so obviously all three produced the correct MD5 value. If you need help and are running Windows 98 or a compatible OS, I can send you copies of both "bzip2.exe" and "MD5.exe", but not for others OSs. For other OSs (and Windows 98) for bzip2 programs, see: http://sources.redhat.com/bzip2/ and click on either: PC, Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP PC, Windows 95/98/NT/2000. for bzip2.exe - I was advised to use the second older version and did - it worked fine under Windows 98. For MD5 programs, see either: ftp://ftp.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/tools/unix/crypto/md5/ http://www.fourmilab.ch/md5/ I obtained my MD5 programs at the first site. By the way, for myself, I would VERY much appreciate being in touch with all individuals who have a copy of the RT-11 Freeware CD V2.0 so that we might exchange information about RT-11. Tim Shoppa felt that he might be violating privacy concerns if he made the names, of those who ordered the CD, available. I don't see it that way, so if you want your name to be known along with the other individuals (or not as the case may be - i.e. restrict that you have a copy of the RT-11 CD to ONLY specified individuals such as possibly just myself) so that you can receive interesting information about new developments in RT-11 and the status of the operating system, then PLEASE contact me so that we can share information. Also state if you want to be known to the entire group of just to specified individuals such as myself. PLUS, as for TSX-PLUS, I am going to try again to knock at the door of S&H to see what they may consider for hobby users. Some of you have already expressed an interest in the CDs. I hope that I have sent a personal copy of this post. If I somehow missed you, please send me your request again. For those users who receive a personal copy of this e-mail, you are already on my list. I will send you a mailing address when I am ready to burn the CDs. Please reply if you are still interested. Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year.

24 years, 2 months

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[OT] Waddizzit??

by mythtech＠mac.com

>I just picked up a PC at the local thrift store. It has a board that's a >half-height ISA card with the designation SCB5 Junior. It's got a >mini-din at >the backpanel, though it's definitely not the keyed sort used by a mouse or >keyboard. I've got to admit, I'm puzzled. I think it is a Logitech ScanMan scanner interface card. If it is the one I am thinking of, it is for the ScanMan 256 and ScanMan Color hand scanners. It has 2 dip switches and an 8 pin mini din right? If that is right, then it is probably the board I am thinking of. I have one here somewhere (but no scanner for it). I found info about how to config it somewhere online (but not Logitech's site IIRC, however I think they might have had a link to the actual manufacturer's site, or maybe I just found info via a google search... not quite sure). Wait... ok, found a link for you: <http://marvin.tele-net.net/storm/xxx_faq_lg.htm#2651>, they have some info on how to set the dip switches. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Minivac 601

by hartkw＠emstar2.net

If you know of anyone interested in purchasing a Minivac 601 vintage computer, I just listed one for sale on ebay. Its item # is 2034003855

24 years, 2 months

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IBM Technical Reports Archives online?

by foo＠siconic.com

Does anyone know of a server somewhere online where IBM keeps all it's archived Technical Reports? I've spent considerable time navigating through IBM's site but have not been able to turn anything up older than a few months. Specifically, I am looking for the following Technical Report (numbered RC16672): S. R. White, S. H. Weingart, W. C. Arnold and E. R. Palmer. Introduction to the Citadel Architecture: Security in Physically Exposed Environments. Technical Report, Distributed Systems Security Group. IBM T. J. Watson Research Center. March 1991. [RC16672] Any help locating this would be appreciated. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

24 years, 2 months

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What's the best way to slurp up DEC RX50s?

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>Primary goal is backup - TELEDISK should do that. Secondary goal is >to produce image files suitable for use with simh and E-11. Backup implies an ability to restore, and, at least for me, TELEDISK has problems doing that. On my system (which at the time was a K6 233MHz machine) 3.5" disks could be restored without issue but 5.25" disks could not be reliably restored (this seemed to apply to both 360KB and 1.2MB disks). I assume that restoring RX50s will be no easier. It might just have been my system, it might just have been my copy of TELEDISK (there seem to be multiple copies floating around) but it did not fill me with confidence. Is the TELEDISK format freely available? If not, restoring your disks may be difficult once the last PC has expired! BACKUP/PHYSICAL has the advantage that you can at least work out where each block ends up (since the BACKUP source listings are available). (If anyone has suggestions for "imaging" 360KB floppies, 1.2MB floppies and RX50s using PC hardware running Windows or Linux or NetBSD, I'm all ears. Preference given to those with practical experience of restoring the data afterwards ... I'm not keen to run through several hundred floppies just on the off-chance it will be worthwhile.) Antonio

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New things

by pat＠purdueriots.com

Well, today I managed to go out to Univ Salvage and get myself two things that look 'fun to play with' RS/6000 7013-580 1-9 Video 2-1 Ethernet 4-4 SCSI? adaptor 128MB RAM (16x8M 80ns SIMMS on two cards) FDD CDROM (no hard drives) The system had its 'doors off' and its keys 'in the ignition' (yay!). Data Systems Design Model 880-D8. It has a DS Shugart 8" floppy drive in it (which I intend to use to fix my Altos 8000) and a SA-1000 interface 8" hard disk inside (which I intend to use to fix my TeleVideo TS-816, if possible. Quite the finds for $10, eh? Now if I could get myself to concentrate on this paper I have to write.. -- Pat

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Computers in Public Xport

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>At my last place of employment, we built really huge routers. Our >only competitor that had a product somewhat comparable to ours (and no, >it wasn't Cisco or Juniper) somehow managed to make their box so heavy >that it exceeded the NEBS standard for floor loading. They had to >reinforce the floor at their field test sites. Fortunately our product I guess that competitor must have been Avici then? I wonder how soon these high-end routers will start to fall into hobbyist hands .... Antonio

24 years, 2 months

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I hate Radio Shack

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk > >> The guy there is accustomed to seeing me come in for DE9 connectors, >> hoods, & computer stuff, and always asks "What are you building this >> time?" He doesn't know anything, but at least he's curious... I found >> a push-button rated at 3A, 125VAC, and brought it up. Darrell says >> "Building one from scratch now, are ya?" I told him no, it's a starter >> switch for my pickup. He refused to sell it to me, because "Those >> starters pull 20 or 30 amps, and that's *DC*, too! That switch will > >Hmm... In every UK car I have worked on, the starter motor itself draws >about 600A on-load from the battery. This current is switched by the >starter solenoid contacts which acts (in part -- it also moves the >pinion into mesh with the flywheel) as a large relay. > >But the solenoid coil draws significant current as well. There are >typically 2 windings, one to pull the core in, one to hold it. The >former typically draws about 17A, the latter about 4A. > >Now, admittedly the former should only operate until the solenoid has >pulled in, But if there are problems (a typical one is a relatively high >high resistance connection in the circuit which limits the current to >(say) 10A -- the solenoid will then not pull in and disconnect the first >winding), then the current through the switch will be a lot higher than >you might expect. > >I certainly wouldn't use a 3A AC swtich for a starter solenoid operating >button. It's way underrated. > >-tony > > Hi I have never seen this on a solenoid type of starter relay. The switches on the solenoid were always for the ignition resistor bypass and the main switch for the starter motor. The only time I've seen this is on the Ford type starter where the pull in for the gear comes from a pole piece in the started motor. The pole piece would pull in and change the field to be series with the motor armature. There was a separate solenoid that powered this and it always had the full coil current and only switched the current to the starter and the ignition resistor bypass. Pinball machines do have what is called a EOS ( end of stroke ) switch that is used on flippers to reduce the current for holding. Dwight

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Bulk Tape Eraser / 486 Linux box problem SCSI

by john_boffemmyer_iv＠boff-net.dhs.org

Now you two have really given me an idea. Scary as that might be. Building a computer desk and office out of failed computer parts. Now, just to win the damned lottery so I can actually spend at least 5 minutes a day figuring out how to obtain enough parts and break them down into something workable. Grin. On another note: This is on topic since ALL equipment except the replacement hard drive are over 10 years old. I have a 486x33Mhz with pure 30pin SIMMS (no 72 mix here) maxed out at 16MB (16 of these x 1MB), with EISA bus. I have an Adaptec 1740A SCSI controller, a Trident ISA video card, a Creative Labs Sound Blaster ISA, a DCA ISA / MCA Token Ring Adapter (obviously using the ISA), a 10Mbit ISA NIC, Generic I/O card with floppy and IDE, 32x IDE CD-ROM and a Seagate Elite 9 ST410800N 10/9GB SCSI drive (set to ID 0 since the 1740A insists that you use ID 0 to boot the machine). I am trying to load Slackware 7.1 on it. Problem: how do I get the damned install from floppy to see the CD-ROM and see the hard drive properly? It goes to start the installer and it comes up loading the initial install kernal with this error: SCSI host found at (0) Unable to load SCSI host (0) Now, mind you, I can see and play with the damned drive in PC DOS 7, booted >from Floppy. Why not in Linux? I am removing hair at this point since it took me 2 weeks to restore the system to a working state as it is. Also, anyone know of a friggin GUI utility that allows you to still use the keyboard (tab, space bar, etc) for drive partitioning and editing to set up a Linux partition (possibly as a bootable util from a floppy?)? Guessing in a command prompt really blows. The plan is to get it up as an actual server on the broadband cable here so I can offer email and web space in the future (trying to help friend of mine over at dhs.org unload some of the users on his aging server and bring them up to date). Any input will be greatly appreciated. -John -John At 11:44 AM 6/19/02, you wrote: > > From: Chris > > > > > Or a drink coaster. The circuit boards is good as a backer for a > > >notepad. And use the cases for banks, letter holder, pen holder, etc... > > > > Humm... I have a few dead drives here... maybe I'll yank the boards, use > > some small hinges, and make myself a note pad case (I've seen them for > > sale before, but never with components on them) > > > > But I think if I start making all my office desk items from used computer > > parts, then the staff here will REALLY think I have gone insane... then > > again, maybe that will be a good thing, they'll stay out of my office > > (barricading the door and covering the floor with electronic junk hasn't > > stopped them... it just makes them trip when trying to come near my desk) > > > Well, the 3' x 5' Jolly Roger flag on my wall has slowed them down a >bit. :) Not to mention that my "office" is really in the back of the printer >room, I just used some 7' cabinets to form a wall, so my office is sort of >"hidden". > >-- >--- David A Woyciesjes >--- C & IS Support Specialist >--- Yale University Press >--- (203) 432-0953 >--- ICQ # - 905818 >Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 >Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash ---------------------------------------- Founder, Lead Writer, Tech Analyst and Web Designer Boff-Net Technologies http://boff-net.dhs.org/index.html ---------------------------------------

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new toy DG Nova 4X

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> the first unit. I did leave behind the hard drives (that may have been a > mistake). Does anyone have info on these? I don't have any info, however, leaving the Hard Drives was almost definitely a mistake! Now, get in your vehicle and go back and get them! Zane

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