>>ADSS V5A is already availbale for SIMH though.
>>
>> -- hbp
>
>It is? Where?
>
> Zane
>
It was on http://simh.trailing-edge.com/, I can't seem to get to the site
right now. The image was recently switched because macro wasn't working
correctly on the previous one (sorted out by Hans, thanks). It now should be
a copy of my tape s2.tu56 PDP-15 Master Tape S2 Page Mode (V5A Jan 24 1981)
The site also had instruction on how to boot it.
The rest of the pdp-9/15 tapes I have read are in
ftp://ftp.pdp8.net/pdp9-15/
I don't have an actual 9/15 to run them on. Anybody have a spare? Not all
seemed to work with the emulator.
Nice to hear the machine is running again.
David Gesswein
http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Run an old computer with blinkenlights.
"Geoff Roberts" <geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au> wrote:
> A friend in the states has acquired a Vax 7000-620. Looking for schematics
> or some info on the power supplies with a
> view to conversion to single phase. ISTR someone here had a 7000, can
> anyone help?
I have one here, but I also have 3-phase. :-/
Sorry, no schematics on a 7000 power supply available. No schematics
whatsoever actually.
I do have full schematics on the PDP-11/70 on the other hand. :-)
Johnny
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Found a IIc+ the other day at the thrift store, someone screwed up, it was
only
marked $7something. Had a mouse attached to it, and it wasn't until I
got it home that I noticed it was an optical mouse. Mfgr'd by Mouse Systems
(or rather, `in Singapore for Mouse Systems'), the model number is
403009-001, and printed underneath it is `MSC 403009-1' and `S/N:EK
030724'. It seems that the IIc+
will take the older DE9 style Mac mice, so this might be for one of those.
Does this little guy need a fancy pad? Also, any pointers to IIc+ specific
sites? I'm googling, but I'd appreciate any hints.
Bob
Hello,
Just wanted to introduce myself. I collect older computers, mainly mini's
and Unix workstations. I have stuff from most of the companies that made any
of the above types of computers. I enjoy getting machines that work, or are
close to working, and actually using them. I also enjoy working with older
versions of Operating Systems and software. My ultimate goal is to get a
network of machines together and available to the Internet for others with
the same interest to access and enjoy.
I've just recently moved to the Dallas/Fort Worth area of Texas so if there
are any other collectors/hobbyists in the area I would love to talk to you!
Please send me an email and we'll chat about the hobby and maybe we can do
some trades.
Thanks,
Mike N.
mlnealey(a)earthlink.net
P.S. I believe this post should be on topic because I am over 10 years old.
One of the well-known two-edged factors in collecting like we do is
the fact that all your friends/neighbors/colleagues/family decide you're
a better option than Goodwill. "Don't throw out that rusty 3.5" floppy
drive! Doc _collects_ that stuff!"
So when one of said friends makes a beeline for me at the meeting this
morning, and says "I heve a TRUNK FULL of stuff for you!" I just smile
and say "Oh, cool!" She's really excited about giving me this stuff....
We go out to her car and, yep. Four desktop floppy storage boxes. An
obviously dead, stripped Deskjet 520. Random power cables and phone
cords. An AT keyboard, sans most of the caps.
And then, O. My. Gods.
Two complete and apparently perfect Texas Instruments "Silent 700"
data terminals. One is roughly the shape of, and a little bigger than,
a Zenith 286 portable with built-in acoustic coupler, and the other is
smaller, in a soft carrying case, with external coupler and I think
those are two spare battery packs.
All righty then! I never had an actual printing terminal before.
This looks like hours and hours of frust^H^H^H^H, um, fun.
Doc
On Aug 29, 18:19, Jeff Hellige wrote:
> >Later Indys, and O2/Octane/Origin/Onyx2 and the like, were sold with a
PS/2
> >mouse made by Logitek. It's a rebadged 3-button Pilot mouse (equivalent
> >Logitek type M-S35), also granite coloured, part no 063-0009-001.
>
> I also have a rebadged Logitech mouse, model# M-S43, SGI
> part# 063-0010-001, that is dark gray, almost black in color. It's
> PS/2 and I've used it on my Indigo2 in place of the granite
> 063-0009-001, which I also have.
Unusual. Any idea what it was originally for? Do you know if there was a
matching keyboard?
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
> Some 20 odd years after it was decommisioned we finally got our PDP-9 to
> boot software off an old DECTape. Advanced Software System version 5A
> came up today for the first time on our restored -9.
Any chance of making the software available for use under SIMH?
Zane
Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Derek Peschel wrote:
> > No, but I do know that the same feature existed on the //e (i.e. before
> > the //c came out) but it was only accessible by changing internal
> > wiring. I read about this in an issue of Call A.P.P.L.E. which (of
> > course) I no longer have.
>
> Wow, crazy. I never knew that, or even heard of it. In fact I want to
> see a source before I believe it :)
http://www.syndicomm.com/~a2.ryan/The_Lamp/Text/2001/TLMP0102.TXT
Search for "[DKE]".
-Frank McConnell
I'm trying to get a selection of games that will work on a Serial Terminal
up and running on my OpenVMS server (a PWS 433au running OpenVMS 7.2-1H1).
I'm finding that most games that are available for VMS date back to VAX/VMS
V3 or earlier. Does anyone know of any besides the following that will
work?
Advent 4.0A - Native
Dungeon 3.2B - Native
Empire 4.0 - Native
NetHack 3.3.1 - Native
Moria 4.5 - Vested
Rogue 3.0 - Vested (doesn't seem to display right)
King - Native
Spacwr - Native (very old Star Trek game)
Spacemine - Native (Ported from an old book of Basic Games I've had
for about 20 Years)
Angband 2.8.0 - Native (but requires DECwindows)
I'm really looking for copies of the following that will work on an Alpha
running OpenVMS:
Angband (that will work on a serial terminal)
Rogue (a version that works right)
zcode emulator
Decent Star Trek game
DND
Moria 4.8 or 5.0
Newer version of Empire
Conquest
I'm also interested in any other good ones that I might not know about.
Zane
As part of the celebration of "50 years of Computing in Grenoble", the
Association for a Conservatory of Information Technology (ACONIT) in
partnership with the Association for the History of Telecommunications
and Informatique (AHTI) and the Federation des Equipes Bull (FEB) is
organising the 6th international conference on the History of Computing
and Networks. This international conference is supported by Institut de
Math?matiques appliqu?es de Grenoble (IMAG) and other european institutions.
This, the 6th conference in the series History of Computing, presided by
Jean Carteron, founder of STERIA, returns to the site of the first such
conference held in Grenoble in 1988.
Papers selected this year by the programme committee, chaired by
Pierre-Eric Mounier-Kuhn, research historian at the CNRS and by Louis
Pouzin, pionneering researcher of networks in Europe., cover recent
studies of the subject and gather important eye witness accounts of the
history of computing and networking.
The conference is one of the events in the celebration of "50 years of
computing in Grenoble" which also includes an exhibition tracing the
impact of computing on life in Grenoble illustrated by exhibits from the
ACONIT collection. This admission free exhibition is open to the public
23 November to 2 December at the prestigious Musee de Grenoble.
Conference registration is now open on the web site.
For further information regarding the conference or exhibition contact
ACONIT :
Tel : +33 (0)4.76.48.43.60
Web : http://www.aconit.org/colloque2002
Email : mailto:colloque2002@aconit.org
Or write :
ACONIT/COLLOQUE2002
10 bis Rue Ampere
BP 267
38016 Grenoble Cedex
FRANCE
-- hbp
This item is still off topic for another few years (introduced in 1995),
but I want to ask here because I know most of us have large piles of
assorted equipment.
I just aquired a Global Village OneWorld Combo Fax/Network modem. But it
lacks the power supply brick for it. Do any of you per chance have one of
these things (or the sister units the Network Fax, or just Network
Modem). And if so, can you tell me the pinouts and power specs so I can
locate/build a new power supply?
It uses a mini din 3 connector. The connector is the same style used on
apple local talk cables (3 pins plus a 4th plastic guide block). I am
assuming it will end up being AC power, and one pin each for hot,
neutral, and ground.
The manual says it uses a Din 8 for external 110v power adaptor... but I
REALLY think the 8 pin connector is for the localtalk support. Localtalk
boxes never came with a 3 pin plug for connecting to a device, only 8
pin, and the symbol over the 8 pin is a typical localtalk double arrow
and matches the symbol over one of the status lights in the front. The
symbol over the 3 pin is a typical AC wave symbol, that port is also
right next to the on/off switch.
Internally there isn't enough components to regulate a 110 connection, so
the brick must step it down to something else.
Anyone got one of these and can tell me the specs? I did some googling,
but no luck finding anything helpful (I will try Global Village directly,
but I think they have more or less died off since Zoom took them over as
part of the Boca buyout).
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Bear,
I'm not famoilar with the bigger Suns so you'll have to tell me how to tell how to id a DG4. I know where there are two large Sun computers at the moment. I believe one is a 2/60 but I'm not sure what the other is.
Joe
At 09:34 PM 8/29/02 -0400, you wrote:
>
>The CG4 in my 3/60 seems to have stopped displaying an image. It's still
>detected by the kernel, and outputs a valid sync signal, but I never get
>an image on the monitor.
>
>I'd like to replace it. If anybody has a spare they can part with, drop me
>a line. I guess I could also be strongarmed into taking a CG6, but I'd
>much prefer the CG4 (the CG6 is not supported on SunOS 3.5)...
>
>Or? If somebody knows off the top of their head what's wrong with my
>CG4, I could use advice, instead. (;
>
>ok
>r.
>
>
> --- Robert Schaefer wrote:
> Had a mouse attached to it, and it wasn't until I
> got it home that I noticed it was an optical mouse.
> Mfgr'd by Mouse
> Systems... It seems that the IIc+ will take the older
> DE9 style Mac
> mice, so this might be for one of those.
>
> Does this little guy need a fancy pad?
> --- On 08/28/02, Ethan Dicks scribbled:
> I would expect so. They are much rarer than the mice.
> --- From: "David A. Woyciesjes"
> You know, I do believe I have an extra Mouse Systems metal mouse
> pad, that looks a lot like the pad I have for my Sun
> Optical mouse. I'll
> have to check when I get home tonight.
> If it's the right nodel number for you, you can have it for
> (what's a reasonable price?) plus shipping...
> --- From: Robert F. Schaefer
> Thanks! How can I tell if it's the right one? Currently, I
> can't even say if the mouse actually works.
Well, I have the pad, which has NDY 402631-001 on a sticker on the
back. It's 7.75" wide by 7" high. about 0.5" smaller, in both directions,
than my Sun Optical mouse pad. Hmmm, there are a couple scratches on the
right side... Well, considering how old it probably is...
(...and, in another message...)
> --- From: Ethan Dicks
>
> There are two pads used with Sun mice - type 3/4 mice
> and type 5 mice. You want the older one (coarser grid)
I didn't even think of comparing that with my Sun pad. From memory,
I think this one has a coarser grid, but I'm not positive. Let me crack out
my ruler & a magnifying lens...
It appears to be 5 lines per every 2mm.
My Sun keyboard is a Type 5, But I don't think the optical mouse
came with it. I can check the Sun mouse and pad this weekend...
--
--- David A Woyciesjes
--- C & IS Support Specialist
--- Yale University Press
--- (203) 432-0953
--- ICQ # - 905818
Well it was a great day being given a tour by a local guy who knows some of
the better places to go for all types of computer stuff. I walked away with
the following items and have a bid in on some others.
1. Data General terminal model 6255 (no keyboard with it),
2. Data General Aviion model G70624D,
3. SGI IRIS Indigo xs24,
4. PowerPC 7200/90,
5. Apple MultiScan 20 display,
6. Mac Performa 630CD.
Below are the items I got a auction yesterday.
NCR monitor model 0271-6090 $0
2-Apple ext. 51/4 FDD $0
IBM 5151 monitor $0
Compaq Amber monitor model Compaq DeskPro $0
IBM PS/1 computer only $0
Tandy ext 51/4 FDD model 25-1060B $0
Sega Master System powerbase $0
Atari video pinball console only model C-380 $5
PowerComputing PowerBase 200 tower $20
Please note that the dates for Vintage Computer Festival 5.0 have
changed. The new dates are October 26th and 27th, 2002. Please
make a note of this in your calendar.
The location of VCF 5.0 is still the Santa Clara Convention Center
in Santa Clara, California.
Again, the new dates for VCF 5.0 are October 26th and 27th.
Further information about VCF 5.0 can be found on the Vintage
Computer Festival wesbite:
http://www.vintage.org/2002/main/
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
* Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *
The CG4 in my 3/60 seems to have stopped displaying an image. It's still
detected by the kernel, and outputs a valid sync signal, but I never get
an image on the monitor.
I'd like to replace it. If anybody has a spare they can part with, drop me
a line. I guess I could also be strongarmed into taking a CG6, but I'd
much prefer the CG4 (the CG6 is not supported on SunOS 3.5)...
Or? If somebody knows off the top of their head what's wrong with my
CG4, I could use advice, instead. (;
ok
r.
I think my last message regarding this was in HTML format, so maybe some
people didn't read it. Anyway, I apologize for sending the HTML message.
I am making my "vintage" chat software available for anyone to use. If
you'd like an account, send me an E-mail and I'll create one for you and
send you instructions on how to access the system via Telnet.
Below is the help from it, so you can decide if this interests you or
not. This is "vintage" software because it predates the internet (as we
know it), IRC, etc. and is from the era of the CompuServe "CB"
simulator, etc.
Send an E-mail to bob_lafleur(a)technologist.com if you'd like access!
- Bob
-----
1: /help
For more information, enter one of the following:
/COMMANDS for a list of TALK commands.
/HELP,introduction for an introduction to TALK.
/HELP,commands for an explanation of the TALK commands.
/HELP,flags for an explanation of the TALK flags.
/HELP,messages for an explanation of the TALK status messages.
/HELP,summary for a TALK command summary.
/HELP,author if you are curious.
/HELP,command name for help on a command. Do not include the '/'.
1: /help intro
TALK is a program that allows you to interactively exchange messages
with other users. Each user enters his message, and all users in his
'conference' can read what he was written. Also, a user may direct a
message to a specific user. In this case, the message is referred to as
a 'private' message, as it is private between the two users.
When you enter TALK, you are asked to enter your nickname. This is
the name that other users will refer to you as. You may use your real
name, or you may use a nickname of some sort.
TALK has two modes of operation: Single-line mode and Essay mode. In
single line mode, you can send a one line message at a time. Simply type
the line and press the <Return> key, and everyone in your conference
will see your message. You will receive messages from other users at any
time when you have not typed anything on a line.
In Essay mode, you may enter multiple-line messages. You may also
direct your message to a specific user, whether he/she is in your
conference or a different one. When you want to send your message, you
can either press <Return> on a blank line, or use the /SEND command.
TALK has special commands which allow you to perform functions other
than sending messages. A TALK command starts with a '/' (slash)
character, followed by the command name. Some commands need parameters
to tell the command what to do. If the command needs parameters, use a
',' (comma) to separate the command and its parameters.
TALK supports multiple 'conferences'. A conference is a place where a
group of users get together and talk about a specific subject. When you
first enter TALK, you are put into the conference 'Limbo'. Limbo is a
conference that always exists and is a conference for general use. You
can create your own conference with the /CREATE command.
The person who creates a conference becomes the conference controller
for that conference. If they leave the conference, then there is no
conference controller and anyone else in the conference may become the
controller. The conference controller has the ability to perform
specific tasks relating to their conference, such as putting a password
on it so that only users who know the password may join.
Use the command /HELP to get information about the various TALK
features. Use /HELP,COMMANDS to get help on all the commands.
1: /help commands
The following commands are valid while using talk. The command names
are shown in uppercase only to stress that they are TALK commands; You
may use upper, lower, or mixed case for the commands.
Parameters shown in square brackets ([ ]) are optional and are not
always required.
/CREATE,conf name[,password]
/MAKE,conf name[,password]
These commands create a conference and make you the controller.
If
you supply a password, then the conference is locked and only
those
who use the password may join it. Note that upper and lowercase
in passwords is significant. If you write an essay before
creating
the conference, the essay will be used as the conference
description
which may be viewed by using the /DESCRIBE command.
/GOTO,conf name[,password]
This command moves you to a new conference. If the conference is
locked, you must supply the correct password. Note that upper
and
lower case in passwords is significant.
/JOIN,user name[,password]
This command moves you to the conference where the user you
specify
is. If the conference is locked, you must specify the conference
password.
/MODERATE
This command will cause the conference to become a moderated
conference. In a moderated conference, only the controller and
those designated by the controller are allowed to speak
publically.
There is also a speak request queue to allow users to enter a
request to speak. Related commands are /ALLOW, /DISALLOW, /SPEAK
and /NEXT.
/UNMODERATE
This command returns the conference to the normal, unmoderated
status.
/ALLOW,user name
This command will allow the conference controller of a moderated
conference to give a user the privelege to speak publically.
This
can be used to allow guest speakers to speak freely.
/DISALLOW,user name
/SILENCE,user name
These commands will take away the privelge to speak freely from
a
user within a moderated conference. Only the conference
controller
may issue this command.
/ENABLEQ
The conference controller can use this command to open the
speaker
request queue for entries. If the queue is not enables, users
cannot
use the /SPEAK command to request a turn to speak.
/DISABLEQ
This command allows the controller to close the speaker request
queue to any further /SPEAK commands.
/SPEAK
Enteres a request into the speaker queue in a moderated
conference.
If you have been designated as a speaker by the conference
controller
you do not need to (and cannot) use the command.
/QUEUE
This command will display the speaker request queue in a
moderated
conference.
/NEXT
This command allows the controller of a moderated conference to
give the next person in the speaker request queue their turn to
speak. The current speaker in the queue (if there is one) will
automatically be silenced.
/DESCRIBE[,conf name]
This command will display the description of a conference that
you
specify. If you do not specify a conference name, the conference
you
are in will be described.
/NEWDESC
This command allows you to create a new description for your
confer-
ence. Create an essay, and instead of sending it, use the
/NEWDESC
command. You must be the conference controller to use this
command.
if there is no conference controller, you will be come the
controller.
/RENAME,new name
This command will change the current conference name to the new
name specified. You must be the conference controller to use
this
command. If there is no controller, you will become the
controller.
/MONITOR[,conf name[,password]]
This command allows you to monitor another conference. The
members
of the other conference will be aware that you are monitoring
their
conference. If you want to monitor a locked conference, you must
specify the conference password. If you do not specify any
conference
name, monitoring will be shut off. You can only monitor one
conference
at a time.
/EAVESDROP[,user name[,password]]
This command allows you to monitor anotehr user's messages. The
user
will not be aware that you are monitoring their messages. If you
want to eavesdrop on a user that is in a locked conference, you
must
supply the correct password for that conference. If you don't
specify
any user name, eavesdropping will be shut off. Note that you can
only
eavesdrop on one user at a time, and you can only read that
user's
public messages, NOT their private ones.
/SQUELCH[,user name]
Squelching allows you to ignore public and private messages from
selected users. If you do not specify a user name, a list of the
current users you have squelched will be shown.
/UNSQUELCH,user name
This command allows you to resume receiving messages from a user
that you have previously squelched.
/ALERT[,system name]
This command will set up an alert to tell you when the specified
user enters TALK. If you do not specify a user name, the current
alert will be cancelled. You may only have one active alert at a
time. Once you have received your alert, the alert will auto-
matically be cancelled.
/NOTIFY[,user name]
This command will set up a 'notify' to tell you when the
specified
user logs onto the VAX. If you do not specify a user name, the
current notify will be cancelled. You may only have one active
notify at a time. Once you have received your notify, the notify
will automatically be cancelled.
/CALL,user name[,message]
This command will notify the user specified that they are being
requested to join TALK by you. You can also include an optional
message that will appear on the second line of the call. If you
use
an optional message of asterisk (*), a message telling the user
how
to enter the TALK system will be displayed.
/LOCK,password
With this command, you can lock a conference. You can only lock
a
conference if you are the conference controller, or if no one is
the conference controller. If no one is the conference
controller
then you will be made the conference controller upon locking the
conference. If the conference is already locked, using the /LOCK
command will change the password users must supply to enter the
conference.
/UNLOCK
This command will unlock a locked conference. You can only
unlock
a locked conference if you are the conference controller, or if
no
one is the conference controller. If no one is the conference
controller, you will be made the controller upon using the
/UNLOCK
command.
/TRANSCRIBE[,file name]
This command will cause all the public conversations in the
current
conference to be transcribed to the specified file. If you do
not
speicfy a file name, the current transcription will be stopped.
Each
conference may only have one transcription active at a time, and
only
the creator of the transcription may stop it. If you start a
tran-
scription and then exit TALK, that transcription will remain
active
until the conference is dispersed.
/EVICT,user name
This command allows the conference controller to evict a user
from
his conference. The user that is evicted is placed in the Limbo
conference. You may only evict someone if you are the conference
controller, or if there is no controller of your conference. You
cannot evict anyone from Limbo.
/NOMONITOR
If any users are monitoring your conference, this command will
turn their monitoring off. You may only issue this command if
you
are the conference controller or if there is no conference
control-
ler. If there is no conference controller, you will become the
controller. This command is useful if you wish to isolate your
conference from the public. First, use the /LOCK command to give
your conference a password, then use the /NOMONITOR command to
insure that no users are currently monitoring it. Any users who
subsequently wish to join or monitor your connference will need
to
supply the correct password.
/RELINQUISH
This command allows you to give up control of your conference.
Once
you relinquish control, anyone else may become the conference
controller.
/CONTROL
This command will allow you to take control of a conference if
there is no controller.
/ESSAY
This command puts you into 'essay' mode, where you may write a
multi-line message. Send the message with a blank line or with
the /SEND command.
/LIST
This command lists your current essay on the screen. It is
useful
if you have received some messages and lost track of what you
were
saying.
/CANCEL
/KILL
This command will erase your current essay.
/SEND[,user name]
This command will send your 'essay'. If you specify a user name
your message will be sent to only that person. If you do not
specify a user name, your message will be sent to everyone in
your conference.
/RESEND[,user name]
This command works exactly like /SEND except that it re-sends
your
last 'essay'. If you have entered at least one line of a new
'essay', this command will not work.
/WHISPER,user name
This command will send your 'essay' to a specific user. Only the
user you specify will receive the message.
/TO[,user name]
This command will direct the current message to the specified
user
when it is sent with the /SEND command or a blank line.
Specifying
a name on the /SEND or /WHISPER command will override the /TO
setting. Use /TO with no parameter to clear the setting. /TO is
only active for the current essay, and is reset when the essay
is sent.
/REPLY
This command will initiate the sending of a private message to
the
sender of the last whisper message you received. After issuing
the
/REPLY command, you will receive a message telling who the
message
will be directed to. Enter your message, and press <return> on a
blank line, and the message will be sent. If the message is not
directed to the person that you wished, use the /SEND or
/WHISPER,
or /TO commands to direct your message to the proper place.
/HOLD
This command will take your current essay and place it on hold.
You may continue to talk, as usual. When you would like to
retreive the essay you have on hold, use the /UNHOLD command.
/UNHOLD
This command will take the essay you have placed on hold and
restore it as your current essay. The hold buffer is cleared.
/USERS[,conf name]
This command will show you the users on TALK. If a conference
name
is specified, only the users in that conference will be shown. A
conference name of * will cause a list of users in your curent
conference to be displayed.
/SUMMARY
This command is similar to /USERS, but in a more abbreviated
form.
/CONFLIST
This command prints a short list of all the current conferences
with
the number of users in each.
/PANEL
In a moderated conference, this command will display a list of
all
the users who are allowed to speak.
/COMMANDS
This command gives a brief listing of all the TALK commands.
/LOG[,number]
This command displays TALK's userlog. This log shows the users
that
have used TALK in the past. Specify the number of entries you
would
like to be displayed. If you do not specify a number, the entire
log
will be displayed.
/NEWS
This command will display any news about Talk that has been
posted
by the system manager.
/FACE[,face style]
This command will allow you to change your face style displayed
with
your messages. Use the /FACE,LIST command to get a list of the
allowable face styles, or /FACE to clear your face style.
/NAME,new name
This command allows you to change your nickname. Specify your
new
name as the parameter to the command.
/COMMENT[,comment]
Sets a comment to be displayed with every status message from
you.
If you don't supply a comment, your current comment will be
cleared.
/STATUS
This command will show you a detailed status and description
about
your current session on TALK.
/ACTIVITY
This command will show you an activity summary of the TALK
system
since it was last started.
/LIMITS
Displays Talk's current limits. These limits are set by the
system
manager.
/CLS
This command will clear your terminal screen. If you have the
ansicrt flag set, the ANSI sequence will be used to clear your
screen, otherwise blank lines will be used to scroll your
screen.
/MAIL[,vax user[,subject]]
This command will allow you to access the VAXmail system. If you
do not specify any parameters, you will be placed directly into
VAXmail. When you exit from VAXmail, you will return to TALK
without
losing any messages sent to you. If you specify a VAX username,
your current essay will be mailed to that user. You can
optionally
specify a subject to be attached to your message.
/DCL[,command]
This command will allow you to access DCL. If you specify a
command
that command will be executed as if you entered it at the DCL
prompt.
If you do not specify a command, you will get the DCL prompt.
You
return to TALK with the LOGOUT command.
/GRIPE
This command will use your current essay as a gripe message. It
will
be sent to the person responsible for handing gripes about TALK.
You can also use the /GRIPE command for compliments or
suggestions
regarding the TALK system.
/SHOW[,flag name]
This command will display you flag settings. If you supply a
flag
name, that flag's setting will be displayed. Otherwise, all flag
settings will be displayed.
/SET,flag name
This command sets (turns on) the flag you specify.
/CLEAR,flag name
This command clears (turns off) the flag you specify.
/BYE[,comment]
/DONE[,comment]
/EXIT[,comment]
/QUIT[,comment]
Any of these commands will exit you from talk. If you specify a
comment, it will be displayed in the log next to your name.
1: /help flags
You may set or clear certain 'flags' which allow you to customize
TALK to your personal preferences. Use the /SET command to set a flag
(turn it
on) and the /CLEAR command to clear a flag (turn it off). The following
are descriptions of the flags you can use:
alarm With this flag set, you will hear a beep every time
you
receive a message from a user. This flag can be
useful
if the conversation on TALK is slow and you want to
look
away from the screen while waiting for a message.
ansicrt Set this flag if you have an ANSI compatable
terminal
(such as a VT100, VT220, Visual 102, etc). This will
allow TALK to take advantage of your terminal's
special
features. >NOT FULLY IMPLEMENTED IN THIS VERSION<
autoact This flag will cause an /ACTIVITY comamnd to be
executed
you enter TALK.
autoflags This flag will cause your current flag settings to
be
shown when you enter TALK. It is the equivalent of
doing
a /SHOW command when you enter TALK.
autousers This flag will cause a /USERS command to be executed
when
you enter TALK.
autosum This flag will cause a /SUMMARY command to be
executed
when you enter Talk.
clock This flag controls weather the time is displayed
next
to received messages. With this flag set, the time
will
be shown. With this flag clear, the time will not be
shown.
essaylock This flag will cause you to permanently stay in
essay
mode, as if you had typed /ESSAY after each message.
To get out of this mode, use /CLEAR,essaylock.
faces Setting this flag will show the face next to the
sender's
name in a message. Clearing this flag will cause the
faces to be shown only in the /users command.
fullessay If this flag is set, you will not be interrupted
with
messages until you have finished a full essay and
sent
it. If this flag is clear, you will be able to
receive
messages inbetween lines of an essay. Note that you
will never receive messages while you are in the
middle
of typing a line.
hearbells When set, this flag allows bell characters to be
heard
on the terminal. Clearing this flag will permit
quiet
operation of TALK.
invisible Setting this flag will allow you to be invisible
while
inside a locked conference. If you are the
conference
controller, you will always be seen.
noecho If you would like to put your terminal in local echo
mode, setting this flag will cause Talk to stop
echoing
the characters you type. With this flag clear, Talk
will echo all the characters you type.
privates Setting this flag will allow you to receive private
or whisper messages send with the /WHISPER or /SEND
commands. Clearing this flag will not allow you to
receive any of these messages.
prompt The prompt flag will cause TALK to give you prompts
for
each line of input. In 'Essay' mode you will get a
prompt
telling you which line you are on. Otherwise you
will get
a '>' prompt. If you set the prompt flag off, you
will
not get any prompts for input.
readown Setting this flag will allow you to see your own
messages
that you send. With this flag set, you can see how
your
messages look within the context of all the other
users'
messages. Note that you will not see messages which
you
direct at a specific user with the /SEND command.
seebells This flag will show bells as <BELL> on the terminal.
It is useful if the hearbells flag is cleared. Note
that
this flag does not affect the sounding of bells on
the
terminal.
singlesp With some terminals, writing essays with prompt
clear
will cause the essay to appear double space. Set
this
flag if your essays appear double spaceed with
prompt
clear, then set this flag. Otherwise, leave it
clear.
verbose This flag will cause TALK to display a more wordy
form
of it's messages.
watch This flag allows you to watch who enters and leaves
Talk.
wordwrap Setting this flag while in essay mode will wrap
words
around to the next line as you are typing.
1: /help mess
At times throughout a TALK session, you may see 'status' messages
>from a user. A status message has the form:
< message > user name
where 'message' gives the status for the user 'user name'. The following
is a list of possible status messages:
< Entering > The user is entering the TALK system.
< Leaving > The user is leaving the TALK system.
< Joining > The user is joining your conference from another
one.
< Moving > The user is leaving your conference and moving to
another one.
< Moderating > The user has changed the conference into moderated
status. Users may not speak publically unless
designated
by the controller.
< Unmoderating > The confernce has been returned to normal,
unmoderated
status.
< Speaker > The user has been designated as a speaker by the
conference controller. The user may speak
publically
until silenced.
< Silenced > The user may no longer speak publically within the
moderated conference.
< Logged In > The user was the one you specified in a /NOTIFY
command
and the user has logged into the VAX.
< Monitoring > The user is monitoring your conference. He can read
all
the messages (except for private messages) which
are
sent in your conference.
< Not Monitoring > The user is not monitoring your conference anymore.
< Evicted > This means that the user has been evicted or
'kicked'
out of the conference by the conference controller.
The user that is evicted is moved to Limbo.
< Locking > This message means that the conference controller
has
locked the conference. If the conference was
already
locked, then he is changing the password.
< Unlocking > This means that the conference controller has
unlocked
the conference. The conference is now available for
public access.
< Ghosted Out > This means that the user has somehow left TALK by
not
going through the normal means. TALK has just
discovered
that this person is no longer using TALK, so they
are
'ghosted out'.
< Timed Out > This means that the user has timed out of Talk.
< Controlling > The user has taken control of the conference.
< Relinquishing > This means that the user is relinquishing control
of
his conference.
< Comment > The user has changed their comment.
1: /help sum
/ACTIVITY Show an activity summary of TALK
/ALERT[,system name] Alert when user enters TALK
/ALLOW,user name Allow a user to speak
/BYE[,comment] Exit TALK
/CALL,user name[,message] Call a user to TALK
/CANCEL Erase current essay
/CLEAR,flag name Clear a flag
/CLS Clear terminal screen
/COMMANDS Lists TALK commands
/COMMENT Sets up a comment for display
/CONFLIST Display a list of available
conferences
/CONTROL Take control of the conference
/CREATE,conf name[,password] Create a conference
/DCL[,command] Access DCL from TALK
/DESCRIBE[,conf name] Print a conference description
/DISABLEQ Disables the speaker request queue
/DISALLOW,user name Disallow a user to speak
/DONE[,comment] Exit TALK
/EAVESDROP[user name[,password]] Eavesdrop on a usewr
/ENABLEQ Enables the speaker request queue.
/ESSAY Enter a multi-line message
/EVICT,user name Evict a user from a conference
/EXIT[,comment] Exit TALK
/FACE[,style] Change face style
/GOTO,conf name[,password] Goto a conference
/GRIPE Submit a gripe about TALK.
/HOLD Puts the current essay on hold.
/JOIN,user name[,password] Join a user in a conference
/KILL Erase current essay
/LIMITS Displays Talk's current limits.
/LIST List current essay
/LOCK,password Lock a conference
/LOG[,number] Display userlog
/MAIL[,vax user[,subject]] Access the VAXmail system
/MAKE,conf name[,password] Create a conference
/MODERATE Make the current conference
moderated
/MONITOR[,conf name[,password]] Monitor a conference
/NAME,new name Change nickname
/NEXT Let the next person in the queue
speak
/NEWS Shows Talk news
/NODES Shows a list of nodes linked to
Talk.
/NOMONITOR Stop users from monitoring
conference.
/NOTIFY[,vax username] Notify when user logs into VAX
/PANEL Display a list of the speaking
panel
/QUEUE Display the speaker request queue
/QUIT[,comment] Exit TALK
/RELINQUISH Relinquish control of your
conference
/RENAME Give the conference a new name
/REPLY Reply to the last private message
/RESEND[,user name] Resend last multi-line message
/SEND[,user name] Send a multi-line message
/SET,flag name Set a flag
/SHOW[,flag name] Show flag settings
/SILENCE,user name Disallow a user to speak
/SPEAK Enter a request into the speaker
queue
/SQUELCH[,user name] Squelch (ignore) a user
/STATUS Show status about yourself.
/SUMMARY Show a summary of Talk users
/TO[,user name] Direct a message to a user
/TRANSCRIBE[,file name] Transcribe conference to file
/UNHOLD Take essay off hold
/UNLOCK Unlock a conference
/UNMODERATE Unmoderates the conference
/UNSQUELCH,user name Unsquelch a user
/USERS[,conf name] Show users on TALK
/WHISPER,user name Send a message to a specific user
1: /help auth
TALK was written in VAX C by Bob Lafleur. TALK was inspired from my
use of many 'TALK' systems, including, but not limited to 'TALK',
'Twinkle' and 'Confer' at U-Mass/Amherst, 'DIALOG' by Mike Hurst, and
CompuServe's CB Simulator. I would also like to thank the users of
Dataseek in Houston, Texas during the summer of 1988 for their unlimited
ideas.
If you have any ideas for this TALK program, please send them to me,
as I am continually interested in making this program the BEST talk
program around! I can be contacted at:
Bob Lafleur
45 Ionia Street
Springfield, MA 01109-2519
Phone: (413) 737-8503
CompuServe: 75146,3122
GEnie: SKID
Internet: 75146.3122(a)CompuServe.COM
bob(a)nq1c.ampr.org (IP address 44.44.0.35)
Packet: NQ1C @ W1NY.MA.USA.NA
Enjoy!
1: /commands
/activity /allow /bye /call /clear /cancel
/cls /commands /comment /control /conflist /create
/dcl /describe /disableque /disallow /done
/eavesdrop
/enableque /essay /evict /exit /face /goto
/gripe /help /hold /join /kill /limits
/list /lock /log /mail /make
/moderate
/monitor /name /newdesc /news /next /nodes
/nomonitor /panel /queue /quit /relinquish /rename
/reply /resend /send /set /show
/silence
/speak /squelch /status /summary /to
/transcribe
/unhold /unlock /unmoderate /unsquelch /users
/whisper
1:
> If I remember right UCX was for VMS 4 or earlier I think.... I gotta do
> some digging, I know I've got the Digital TCP Services CD someplace, I'll
> look into the WASD webserver afterwards, it would be fun to check it out.
> Thanks.
I'm not sure when UCX started, but it went through OpenVMS 7.1/UCX 4.0, it
was with OpenVMS 7.2 that it switched to TCPIP 5.0, and the current version
is either 5.1 or 5.3 (I think 5.3 may have just come out with 7.3-1, but
I've not seen the release notes, or a new Condist).
Zane
I have e-mailed Joe about what I have - a nice brand new set of three in
their original package. The package is not sealed in plastic, but the disks
look new and unused. I'm going to keep one, but will sell his people two
disks and the case. Anyone want to comment on their worth? Thanks, David
David Greelish
Classic Computing
www.classiccomputing.com
"classiccomputing" on eBay
Please see:
http://members.aol.com/mtpro/compuclean.html
<< I do have some for my TRS80 m.2 and possibly my Shugart, but I'm hanging
on to them like a leech.
What about fabricating some with 8" jackets. After all they're simply
slightly
abrasive absorbent paper in an 8" envelope. No ?
On the other hand, after reading the other replies, possibly I could spare
ONE for suitable goods or renumeration. The TRS 8" Heath, and Shugart
ARE easy to get at the head(s).
If interested contact me. They are NOT in hermetically sealed packages.
Lawrence >>
Now that the VCF dates have changed, it gives you procrastinators another
month to prepare an exhibit. We could certainly use more exhibits this
year so if you are considering it, visit the exhibitor information page:
http://www.vintage.org/2002/main/exhibit.php
For those of you who had other plans for the old dates, the new dates
represent an opportunity to come, so mark your calendar!
And if you want to sell anything at the VCF, either as a vendor or on
consignment, there is still plenty of space available:
http://www.vintage.org/2002/main/vendor.php
See you there!
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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* Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *
Well, jsut aquired myself a nice sgi indigo, the only issue I think I may
of been given the wrong mouse...
Now if any listmembers, happen to have an indigo, can you tell me the part
number of the mouse, the mouse I have is 9150809 which I think is for an
Indigo 2, but then I could be wrong...
Nice machine tho, it has no hard drive, or any of the sleds, but that
isn't too much of an issue, as I will use an external scsi drive. But the
monitor is huge, about 20 inch I think its silicon graphics branded, but
made by mitsubishi (I think) and the monitor is in good condition..
The best thing about it, is the cost.. I got it for nothing, which is nice
down here in australia. as I very rarely see anything which is free to a
good home...
Benjamin
You might also want to check out the software designed to read from a
serial-interface modified CueCat bar code reader, cuecat-0.3.0.tar.gz at
http://www.viking.org.au/mirrors/cuecat/, IIRC. The original CueCat
interfaced with the keyboard port, but there were hacks to serially
interface it, then read the character stream.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Holley [mailto:swtpc6800@attbi.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 8:08 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Need PC-AT "keyboard BIOS" docs
I have been looking into this also. Here is a good link on AT Keyboards
http://www.beyondlogic.org/keyboard/keybrd.htm
Michael Holley
www.swtpc.com/mholley
----- Original Message -----
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:34:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: Need PC-AT "keyboard BIOS" docs
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
I had this idea for a keyboard adapter for classic machines, but I
don't understand the 40-pin "keyboard BIOS" microcontroller well
enough to know if it's possible...
So... is there a good place (on the web) to learn about the
"keyboard BIOS" chip? Alternatively, is there already a project
like this that I can clone? If anyone has any examples of how
to attach a PeeCee keyboard to a 68000 or 6502 directly, without
going through a UART, I guess I'd be interested in that, too; but
since I was already planning on sticking a Z8530 or 6551 or 16550
chip on the OMNIBUS board anyway, I might as well use the same
serial port for all embedded console I/O.
Thanks for any pointers,
-ethan
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> WASD??? I'll look into it. What kills me is I used to have a few CD's
> with Multinet on them and as the years went by they disappeared, I have all
> of the books for Digital TCP Services but can't find the CD for that either,
> damned shame.
>
> The Hobbyist thing, its what $90 to join and get the cd's and such or
> something like that, right?
Look for the free Encompass membership option (Associate?). The CD's are
something like $20, and there is supposed to be a new set in the works, that
will be done in the next month or two. Once you've got a valid Encompass
(DECUS) membership you can download Multinet and TCPware from the Process
Software website.
Remember, the hobbyist licenses restrict you from using the system for
anything other than hobbyist use.
Zane
At 08:26 PM 8/29/02 +1000, you wrote:
>Well, jsut aquired myself a nice sgi indigo, the only issue I think I may
>of been given the wrong mouse...
>Now if any listmembers, happen to have an indigo, can you tell me the part
>number of the mouse, the mouse I have is 9150809 which I think is for an
>Indigo 2, but then I could be wrong...
The mouse that I have on my Indigo is PN 9150800. This one is a mechanical mouse. I used to have an optical mouse for it that worked but got rid of it and don't know it's PN. I tried some other optical mice that a friend had and they would have move the cursor in one axis!? (horizontal IIRC)
FWIW I just spent a good bit of my spare time for the past three days removing, disassembling, cleaning and reinstalling a good number of the key switchs on my keyboard. Whew! I'm glad that's over!
Joe
At 09:27 AM 8/26/02 -0500, you wrote:
>On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Dave Woodman - dave(a)naffnet.org.uk wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, the licence now applies if you have equipment capable of
>> receiving TV transmissions, regardless of the purpose for which it used, so
>> you can try to convince the authorities all you like...
>>
>> A monitor, as you used, always avoids the license, so you would still have
>> been safe, but even owning a VCR or TV and keeping it in the loft requires a
>> license now.
>
>Ok, now you've got me wondering... I've never heard of anything like that
>on this side of the pond. Why exactly do you have to purchase a license
>to own a TV? Is it similar for AM/FM radios? ...
Why do we have to pay a tax on telephone service? The answer is the same for both questions. Government revenue! You can claim that it's for this cause or that cause but in reality it's just another source of revenue for big government.
Joe
>
>
>
A friend of mine is looking for a box of cleaning disks for 8" floppy drive for one of their customers and they're willing to PAY for one. If anyone has one for sale let me know.
Joe
>Some US company (I forget who) made an ultrasonic remote controlled valve TV
>where the remote was essentially tuned metal bars that were mechanically
>hit when the button was pressed. No electronics in the handset at all.
>The receiver in the TV detected one of 4 (or so) different frequencies
>corresponding to the 4 buttons on the remote, and then operated a relay
>to trigger the appropriate function (I think channel selection was done
>using an electromechanical stepping swtich, etc).
My grandparents had a TV with an ultrasonic remote. I think it was a
Zenith, may have been an RCA.
And my parents have a Sony with an ultrasonic remote. The remote is long
since dead, but back when it worked, you could hold the remote up to your
ear and actually hear it clicking different patterns for each button
pressed. The remote ceased to work after a bad battery leakage incident.
Actually, I should see if they still have the remote as the last time I
saw it, I didn't have the skills needed to repair it, but today I
probably could. They probably do have it, knowing them, it is still in
the holder on the back of the TV where I put it some 20 years ago when I
decided it was no longer working (I definitly get my pack rat problems
>from them).
But at least with the Sony remote, IIRC it was transistors that did all
the work. I don't know about my grand parents one, as I never opened the
remote, but that TV was old enough it might very well have been one of
the first with a remote at all.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
> If this is the one I'm familiar with, I've got the source and
> executable for a version written in BASIC.
> --
> Eric Dittman
Do you know how to rebuild it? Or do you happen to have an executable for
the Alpha, or one that can be Vested? The source I got from the webpage I
listed earlier has been through some odd changes (apparently VAX to PDP-11
to VAX again), and I'm having problems (though my problems might be Alpha
Related).
If I can find the time this weekend, I'm going to see about getting some of
these games running on either my VAXstation 3100/20 or one of my VAXstation
4000's.
Zane
$ r dnd
Welcome to DUNGEONS & DRAGONS
%BAS-F-VIRBUFTOO, Virtual buffer too large
-BAS-I-ON_CHAFIL, on channel 2 for file
MONK$DKB500:[HEALYZH.WORK.DNDARCHIVE.DIST]DNDNOT.;1 at user PC 00000000
-BAS-I-FROSUB, In subprogram NEWDND
-BAS-I-FROMOD, In module DND
%TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows
image module routine line rel PC abs PC
0 FFFFFFFF8045EF94
FFFFFFFF8045EF94
DEC$BASRTL 0 0000000000010AE0
0000000000082AE0
----- above condition handler called with exception 001A8154:
%BAS-F-VIRBUFTOO, Virtual buffer too large
-BAS-I-ON_CHAFIL, on channel 2 for file
MONK$DKB500:[HEALYZH.WORK.DNDARCHIVE.DIST]DNDNOT.;1 at user PC 00000000
----- end of exception message
0 FFFFFFFF8009271C
FFFFFFFF8009271C
DEC$BASRTL 0 0000000000052CC4
00000000000C4CC4
DEC$BASRTL 0 000000000001EE10
0000000000090E10
DEC$BASRTL 0 000000000005AE40
00000000000CCE40
DND NEWDND NEWDND 82 00000000000058F4
000000000004CEE4
ND DND$MAIN DND$MAIN 17 0000000000000360
0000000000030360
0 FFFFFFFF859B5474
FFFFFFFF859B5474
$
> >From what I've read, banned inside of DEC is the best description :^) It
> >uses creatures and spells straight from D&D.
>
> Yep, I know exactly which one you speak of... I have the sources
> for the pascal version of the game, along with the data files,
> preserved for almost 20 years.
>
> I have ported the game to C using curses (actually, it was mostly
> a brute-force translation from the pascal) and have it running
> at least as well as the original pascal version (which was incomplete)
> at home on my Alpha PWS running Linux.
>
> I've been in contact with one of the people who was responsible for
> writing the pascal version, and am trying to get ahold of all the
> others so that I can figure out how to write up a 'copyright' page
> with proper attributions.
If this is the one I'm familiar with, I've got the source and
executable for a version written in BASIC.
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/
>From what I've read, banned inside of DEC is the best description :^) It
>uses creatures and spells straight from D&D.
btw - there is a write-up somewhere, by the person who wrote that
original 'banned in DEC' memo, explaining what *really* happened.
I think it is generally available (read, on the web somewhere)...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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>From what I've read, banned inside of DEC is the best description :^) It
>uses creatures and spells straight from D&D.
Yep, I know exactly which one you speak of... I have the sources
for the pascal version of the game, along with the data files,
preserved for almost 20 years.
I have ported the game to C using curses (actually, it was mostly
a brute-force translation from the pascal) and have it running
at least as well as the original pascal version (which was incomplete)
at home on my Alpha PWS running Linux.
I've been in contact with one of the people who was responsible for
writing the pascal version, and am trying to get ahold of all the
others so that I can figure out how to write up a 'copyright' page
with proper attributions.
>Basically all I know is what's written up at the following webpage:
>http://www.io.com/~adastra/rancourt/dnd/
>It was written by Daniel Lawrence, started on the PDP-10, was ported to
>RSTS/E part way through, and after that ported to VAX/VMS.
I played it on RSTS/E when I was working at Parker St (DEC) in Maynard
back in 1977. Actually, the pascal version was also built on RSTS
using, I believe, the OMSI compiler, and ran on RT-11.
Dan has apparently given permission for any and all versions of the
game to exist with his blessing, but since the source I have had
a copyright which is problematic (since it doesn't mention him), I
have to try to do the right thing.
>I grabbed the source off of the web page above, and it almost works. In
>fact it might work, IF, I could figure out exactly how to build it. BTW,
>the "TOPS-20" executable, looks to be a VMS V1.0 executable.
If/when I can resolve the issues of attribution, I'd love to make it
available... should I even bother with sourceforge? :-)
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: gentry at zk3.dec.com (work) |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | mbg at world.std.com (home) |
| Hewlett Packard | (s/ at /@/) |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
Here's a list of items I found today while being shown some new places to go
by a friend. Send me an email stating what you want to pay and I will make a
offer to the dealers (I went to 4 places today).
TomoScan 60/TX
Siemiens Saturn I
IBM 3174 11R
MicroVax 3800
Xyplex terminal servers
Let me know if anyone is interested in these items?
>I'm trying to get a selection of games that will work on a Serial Terminal
>up and running on my OpenVMS server (a PWS 433au running OpenVMS 7.2-1H1).
>I'm finding that most games that are available for VMS date back to VAX/VMS
>V3 or earlier. Does anyone know of any besides the following that will
>work?
Look at the Freeware CD stuff:
http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/FREEWARE/00FREEWARE_ABSTR…
as there are a few there.
The V4 Freeware disks had a few more:
http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware40/FREEWARE/00FREEWARE_ABSTR…
Obviously many of the later games required X11 but there are
some in there that I believe to be text based.
There used to be a reasonable collection of games
on the various DECUS tapes. I recall the L&T/VMS
tape sets having a fair smattering of bits and pieces.
I also don't see LARN in your list. I know it was available
on OpenVMS (I used to have it, I don't know where it would
be now ...)
There is also the stuff Patrick Moreau maintains:
http://membres.lycos.fr/pmoreau/decw/index.html
(a little French helps, and much of this is now on the
Freeware CDs I think).
Antonio
> Besides Multinet and TCPware, are there any freeware TCP services for VMS
> 6.1 and higher??? Anyone have any experience with the Purveyor webserver
> for VMS?
>
> Curt
Last I checked Multinet and TCPware weren't freeware, however, they are
available via the Hobbyist program. Also available via the Hobbyist Program
is Compaq TCPIP/DEC UCX. If you really want freeware, there is CMU TCP/IP,
it's only for the VAX. If you want to run with something as old as 6.1 your
best bet is likely to either be Multinet or TCPWare.
As for Purveyor, I tried it out shortly after Process Software made it
available. It seems pretty nice, but it's unsupported, as a result I'm
running WASD on my VMS server.
Zane
> >I'm really looking for copies of the following that will work on an Alpha
> >running OpenVMS:
> > DND
>
> I may have information about this... depends on which game you are
> thinking about... can you describe it?
>
> Megan Gentry
> Former RT-11 Developer
>I'm really looking for copies of the following that will work on an Alpha
>running OpenVMS:
> DND
I may have information about this... depends on which game you are
thinking about... can you describe it?
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: gentry at zk3.dec.com (work) |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | mbg at world.std.com (home) |
| Hewlett Packard | (s/ at /@/) |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
In a message dated 8/28/2002 12:51:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
r_beaudry(a)hotmail.com writes:
<< Sorry to use the list for this, but I lost some older emails, and no
longer
have the email adresses for you...
Gene/Toth,
Remember those PS/1 diskettes I told you would be coming 4 months ago?? >>
What model PS/1 do they belong to? I would love to get a copy from the
recipients. I have several models, and I regularly get requests from people
who see mine wanting to restore the preload.
> I went looking through the DECUS stuff. On VAX84C there is ST84 which is
> billed as the ultimate Star Trek game.
OK, it took some looking through the archive, but knowing it was on the tape
helped (I really wish there was an index for this site).
ftp://mvb.saic.com/disk%24misc/decus/VAX84C/CONSAD/ST84/
It mostly builds under OpenVMS 7.2-1H1/Alpha using Compaq Fortran
V7.4-1341-46ACJ and the /OLD_F77 flag. Unfortunatly it looks to be missing
at least a few of the files needed to build it (TREK84.FOR, TREK84.FDL, and
the VARDICT.* files at a minimum).
Based on the doc's this looks like a very interesting version! Unfortunatly
it doesn't seem to be online anywhere else.
> Leafing through a catalogue, there's:
>
> WORLD on V00036
> DODGEM on V00039
> MTREK on V00087
V00037
Coded in RATFIV?
> TREK.BAS on V00282
Seems to work, and looks interesting
> VAXstation games on V00322 (obviously unlikely to be text based ...)
> UNO on V00401
> HACK on V00526
> An Othello game on VS0175
> DROIDS on VAX91B
>
> Some of these should be available directly from the decus (now encompass)
ftp://ftp.decus.org/lib/
Zane
> Besides Multinet and TCPware, are there any freeware TCP services for VMS
> 6.1 and higher??? Anyone have any experience with the Purveyor webserver
> for VMS?
There's always Digital/Compaq/HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS.
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I have been looking into this also. Here is a good link on AT Keyboards
http://www.beyondlogic.org/keyboard/keybrd.htm
Michael Holley
www.swtpc.com/mholley
----- Original Message -----
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:34:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: Need PC-AT "keyboard BIOS" docs
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
I had this idea for a keyboard adapter for classic machines, but I
don't understand the 40-pin "keyboard BIOS" microcontroller well
enough to know if it's possible...
So... is there a good place (on the web) to learn about the
"keyboard BIOS" chip? Alternatively, is there already a project
like this that I can clone? If anyone has any examples of how
to attach a PeeCee keyboard to a 68000 or 6502 directly, without
going through a UART, I guess I'd be interested in that, too; but
since I was already planning on sticking a Z8530 or 6551 or 16550
chip on the OMNIBUS board anyway, I might as well use the same
serial port for all embedded console I/O.
Thanks for any pointers,
-ethan
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John" <jrkeys(a)concentric.net>
To: "cctalk" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:35 PM
Subject: Found Goodies for Sale
> Here's a list of items I found today while being shown some new places to
go
> by a friend. Send me an email stating what you want to pay and I will make
a
> offer to the dealers (I went to 4 places today).
> TomoScan 60/TX
> Siemiens Saturn I
> IBM 3174 11R
> MicroVax 3800
> Xyplex terminal servers
> Let me know if anyone is interested in these items?
>
>From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
>
>On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Joe wrote:
>> A friend of mine is looking for a box of cleaning disks for 8" floppy
drive for one of their customers and they're willing to PAY for one. If
anyone has one for sale let me know.
>
>Cleaning DISKS?!?
>For 8"?
>
>Yeah, they probably did once EXIST, but why?
>Cleaning disks were handy for tiny hard to get at drives. But 8" drives
>are wide open.
>
>
>Q-Tip and everclear.
>
>
>
Hi
As Fred says, it is much better to clean these properly.
Cleaning disk are just a patch for hard to reach drives and
shouldn't be use when you can get to the heads.
It is something like pouring STP in an engine to
fix leaky valve seals. It doesn't really fix it but
it seems to go away for a while.
Dwight
>I'm really looking for copies of the following that will work on an Alpha
>running OpenVMS:
> Decent Star Trek game
I went looking through the DECUS stuff. On VAX84C there is ST84 which is
billed as the ultimate Star Trek game.
Leafing through a catalogue, there's:
WORLD on V00036
DODGEM on V00039
MTREK on V00087
TREK.BAS on V00282
VAXstation games on V00322 (obviously unlikely to be text based ...)
UNO on V00401
HACK on V00526
An Othello game on VS0175
DROIDS on VAX91B
Some of these should be available directly from the decus (now encompass)
web site. I expect I have *some* of them on tape in the attic (time to move
>from 9-track, TK50/70 and DAT to CDROM I guess ...)
Antonio
Is the AT&T 6300 a rebadged M24? If so, the D connector also carried power
for the monitor (which had no separate power cord).
-----Original Message-----
From: John Honniball [mailto:coredump@gifford.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 2:49 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Olivetti M24 monitor
Wouter de Waal wrote:
> I need to kludge a momitor for an M24 (which is
> running some kind of a cutting table for making
> rubber boats)
>
> I remember the machine from student days, and the
> monitor was, as far as I remember, not standard
> at all.
It has two nonstandard features:
* High scan rates, leading to 640x400 resolution
* 25-pin "D" connector instead of a 9-pin
I know we used some Aydin 19-inch monitors on M24s back
in 1986, but which models (and what scan rates) I can't
remember.
I did write some code to toggle a bit in the M24 and
cause the screen to degauss, though. One of the Olivetti's
enhanced features.
--
John Honniball
coredump(a)gifford.co.uk
I managed to grab a whole bunch of UNIBUS boards without knowing what they
were today, and found out that they are basically the boards to an 11/40
CPU. Unforunately, I didn't see the rest of the CPU, or the M7237 board
(is it an optional board?) or a backplane or... just the boards:
M7231 KD11-A 11/40 data paths module
M7232 KD11-A 11/40 micro word module
M7233 KD11-A 11/40 IR decode module
M7234 KD11-A 11/40 timing module
M7235 KD11-A 11/40 processor status module
M7236 KT11-D 11/40 memory management module
M7238 KE11-E 11/40 EIS board
M7239 KE11-F 11/40 FIS control
Also I found a pair of 16KW _core_ memory cards (quad width). I separated
one board, and the cores are IMHO absolutely beautiful.
Two questions:
1) If I could find a backplane and powersuppl(ies), (and some peripheral
stuff), is this enough to make a functional CPU?
2) Does anyone want this stuff? I want to definately keep one of the core
memory boards, but the rest of it doesn't do me a whole lot of good. I'd
like something interesting in trade or some money over shipping costs if
so.
I'm looking for a PDP-11/73 or -11/23 CPU to upgrade my LSI-11/2 :) along
with memory for it (I have 8KW I think), and/or an RQDX1/2/3 or similar
controller so I can attach some real (non-emulated) drives to it.
I don't have anything to test these boards, so I can't verify that they
work, of course, but they look in very good shape... no burn marks,
oxidation, not much dust, etc.
-- Pat
Anyone who would like a Tandy 1400FD should contact Elizabeth at
<fefraser(a)yahoo.com> before mid-October. She is here from Guyana and
brought this machine along to give to someone who would want it for their
collection.
I tried to get it to a collector in Argentina but he couldn't afford the
shipping.
Reply-to: <fefraser(a)yahoo.com>
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>>Be waned that the hardware manual is a fairly thick book, and has a
>>separate pile of sheets that contain the schematics, PCB layouts, and so
>>on. It's an excellent manual (as you'd expect from Heathkit), but it
>>won't be trivial to copy.
>If I can find someone with a spare manual, that would be preferable, >but I
>am determined enough to do the copying if need be.
I have a spare manual on the H89 (yours for no charge), and a bunch of other
H89-related stuff ... Contact me off-list, and we can work out the
details....
Rich B.
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Well,
I feel a bit like Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson, but "I'm back..." I've
been fighting a few demons, some still unsuccessfully, but I feel like I can
devote more time to my beloved hobby now...
The collection has grown a bit, and shrunk a bit :-), some given away, some
sold, some gotten free, some purchased (are there any other ways? :-)).
Some stuff will continue to leave over the next few months as I settle down
a bit ...
So, to keep on-topic, what have I gotten lately?
- A SWEET Heathkit H89, with manuals, disks, etc. (Yes, I'll be contacting
Tom off-list). This was bought from a man in Kansas, who was the original
builder, and even included the original receipts! He kept great records,
and passed it all on to me. Cool! Now I just need to find some blank 5.25"
hard-sectored disks to make backups of what he sent me.
- A couple of Motorola Single-board computers, 6802D5 and 6800D2 I believe
- An Intel SDK-85 -- Needs work on the keypad, but OK otherwise
- A Xerox 820 (CPU/Monitor, Keyboard, 5.25" floppy drives), with
disks/manuals/spare parts.
- An Apple IIe "upgraded" to a IIgs -- This is basically a IIe case, but
with a ROM 01 IIgs motherboard, and a special back plate for the IIgs ports.
Also replaces the IIe logos on the case with "IIgs" ... Very nice!
- Various Apple II stuff -- CMS SCSI cards w/ manuals and disks, A "Quickie"
hand scanner for the IIgs w/ manuals and disks, RAMfast SCSI card, Zip GSX
accelerator for the IIgs, Syquest removeable 44MB drive for the IIgs (not
Syquest drive, but uses Syquest 44MB media), High-Speed SCSI card, various
software
- PowerMac 8500 w/ 500MHz G3 (1MB cache) upgrade -- Yeah, not vintage, but a
sweet deal! :-P
Anyway, thanks for letting me ramble ...
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I am trying to get a TRS-80 Model III working. When I turn it on the disk
drive spins for a while looking for a disk I presume. All I get on the
screen are wispish diagonal lines as if the horizontal hold is all
whacked.
I managed to unstick one of the video adjustment knobs on the left
underside but all it does is affect the brightness level. The other one
requires a screwdriver to move at all (shimmying it up and down) and does
not seem to affect the display. I haven't opened it yet to see what
adjustments are inside. I'd rather not, but there don't seem to be any
adjustment pots accessible from outside the case.
What's weird is that I have access to a bunch of TRS-80 Model 3's here at
the ACCRC and pretty much all of the ones I have played with so far are
basically "dead" in this manner. The one I'm working on just came in
today and is in the same state. Also, the video knobs on the left
underside are all stuck on everyone I've tried to get working. What is
the deal with that? Do they get rusted over time or something? Very
annoying.
The fact that the disk drive spins up when I turn it on is a good sign I
hope.
Any help on this would be appreciated. I know next to zero about the
TRS-80 series.
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>>Be waned that the hardware manual is a fairly thick book, and has a
>>separate pile of sheets that contain the schematics, PCB layouts, and so
>>on. It's an excellent manual (as you'd expect from Heathkit), but it
>>won't be trivial to copy.
>If I can find someone with a spare manual, that would be preferable, but >I
>am determined enough to do the copying if need be.
I have a spare manual on the H89 (yours for no charge), and a bunch of other
H89-related stuff ... Contact me off-list, and we can work out the
details....
Rich B.
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Sorry to use the list for this, but I lost some older emails, and no longer
have the email adresses for you...
Gene/Toth,
Remember those PS/1 diskettes I told you would be coming 4 months ago??
They're finally sent (thankfully, your mailing addresses were stored
separately from my email), along with humblest apologies... You may flame at
will...
John,
Hard to believe I am so inept as to still owe you for the DEC LN03R stuff
you sent eons ago.... Do you have a PayPal account? If not, the money will
be sent in tomorrow's mail... Again, feel free to flame....
Rich B.
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After digging into the boxes I got Thursday I found over 150 3.5 FD with
various Next software on them and 12 CD's with Next software. Also I got 10
optical disk in cases for the Next along with a Pinnacle Micro external SCSI
optical reader, model PMO-650. Got two sound boxes that were in parts and
need to be repaired. Will put together a list of the software and send it
later.
Just to clarify, the following is the pinout of a terminator that works
with an
RL01 drive. It *should* work fine with an RL02 since the same interface
card works with both, so unless there's some oddity about the RL02, this
should do the trick:
Opening the pack, there is a single large resistor pack, 40 pin.
Looking at the back of the resistor pack (i.e. looking at the outside of
the RL01 drive connector)
the pack is marked with pin numbers; pin1 is at the bottom right, pin 2
is at the top right, pin 39 is at the bottom left
and pin 40 is at the top left. Pin 39 has been cut. All other pins are
connected.
The resistor pack part number is 13-13242-00 SSM 7934
Neither side appears to have commoned pins.
Each opposing pair of pins has 160 ohm between them (i.e. between
pins 1-2, 3-4, 5-6 etc.) Obviously 39-40 is open circuit.
I think it would be easy to make using a 40 way pcb-mount idc header
with some shrink sleeving as the terminator isn't subject to any
mechanical strain
(unlike the cable). You could then attach this to the 40-way IDC socket
which normally
plugs into the DEC connector on the inside
of the drive, and you would then just be using the external DEC connector as
a seal to stop dust, etc from entering the unit. Even though the RL01
seems quite
tolerant to the ingress of dust, (some of the maintenance procedures
involve running the
drive the the covers off) it doesn't do to take any unnecessary chances
with kit this old.
Hope this helps,
Francis
----
Patrick Finnegan wrote:
>I'd much appreciate that if possible. I'm thinking it just is a set of
>resistors from each signal line to +ve volts somewhere (or maybe ground),
>and there's just a set of open-collector drivers to drive the lines (thus
>why it does nothing without one).
>
>Thanks!
>
>-- Pat
>
>On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Francis Bell wrote:
>
>
>
>>If you don't get an pinout anywhere else, I have an RL01 terminator
>>here that I can take apart... AFAIK the cables and terminators are identical
>>since it's the same controller for both.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Francis
>>----
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
Display Frequrency: 24 MHz
Horizontal Freq: 25,862 kHz
Vertical Freq: 59,873 Hz
Dots per trace: 640
Number of Traces: 400
Power Supply: 15V +- 1.5%
I have a block diagram (from AT&T 6300 Plus docs), which I can scan and send
you if you want it.
Wouter de Waal wrote:
> I need to kludge a momitor for an M24 (which is
> running some kind of a cutting table for making
> rubber boats)
>
> I remember the machine from student days, and the
> monitor was, as far as I remember, not standard
> at all.
>From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)minnie.tuhs.org>
>To: PDP-11 Unix Preservation Society <pups(a)tuhs.org>,
> The Unix Heritage Society <tuhs(a)tuhs.org>
>Subject: [TUHS] heavy to ship (fwd)
>Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:19:21 +1000 (EST)
>
>----- Forwarded message from Joe Dellea -----
>
>Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:35:12 -0600
>From: Joe Dellea <jjdellea(a)chisp.net>
>To: wkt(a)tuhs.org
>Subject: heavy to ship
>
>Proffessor Toomey:
> I have an interesting problem for you....
>
> A friend of mine here in Denver, (Colorado,US) is in posession of a
>PDP 11/73 and litterally a ton of peripheral hardware- it was left in
>her house by her ex-husband who more than likely dumpster-dived it while
>working for the phone company. The Ex is a talented Computer guy, but a
>bit of an idiot in his personal life....
>
>Friend wants to find a new home for this machine.
>Friend is erratic. Also fairly pissed off.
>Could probably use some money, but mainly wants the thing to go away,
>rather than calculate actual dollar value or whatever.... Would be happy
>if it went to a good home.
>
>What does one do in such a situation?
>
>In my case, I found your web-page near the top of a Google search.....
>
>Regards,
>Joe Dellea
>jjdellea(a)chisp.net
>
>
>----- End of forwarded message from Joe Dellea -----
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Hello!
I'm currently trying to make an old HP 9000/310 machine work.
Some information about the machine and the status of the
"project" can be found out at:
http://paranoia.rulez.org/~rumi/hp310.html
What I currently need is either a way to crack into the
HP-UX that is already installed on the box, or a floppy
set (== images which can be written to floppies) of HP-UX
that would run on this machine which sports a Motorola
68010/10MHz CPU, 2MB RAM, and a HP9153C 40MB HP-IB hard
disk drive / 3.5" floppy drive combo.
If you have such floppy images, or could help me with any
software, documentation, or information regarding this system,
please don't hesitate to contact me via email.
If I succeed, I'm planning to put a nice webpage together
about the system, with pics, history, infos, etc.
Thanks,
Szabolcs Rumi
-
Hi Patrick,
I am very interested in the 11/40 board set. And if you want to get rid of one
of the core boards, that would be fine too, but not a requirement. I happen to
have an 11/23 CPU board somewhere, which I would be happy to trade you
along with that RL02 terminator for the 11/40 boards (and possibly one of the
core board sets).
--tom
At 07:38 PM 8/27/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>I managed to grab a whole bunch of UNIBUS boards without knowing what they
>were today, and found out that they are basically the boards to an 11/40
>CPU. Unforunately, I didn't see the rest of the CPU, or the M7237 board
>(is it an optional board?) or a backplane or... just the boards:
>
>M7231 KD11-A 11/40 data paths module
>M7232 KD11-A 11/40 micro word module
>M7233 KD11-A 11/40 IR decode module
>M7234 KD11-A 11/40 timing module
>M7235 KD11-A 11/40 processor status module
>M7236 KT11-D 11/40 memory management module
>M7238 KE11-E 11/40 EIS board
>M7239 KE11-F 11/40 FIS control
>
>Also I found a pair of 16KW _core_ memory cards (quad width). I separated
>one board, and the cores are IMHO absolutely beautiful.
>
>Two questions:
>
>1) If I could find a backplane and powersuppl(ies), (and some peripheral
>stuff), is this enough to make a functional CPU?
>
>2) Does anyone want this stuff? I want to definately keep one of the core
>memory boards, but the rest of it doesn't do me a whole lot of good. I'd
>like something interesting in trade or some money over shipping costs if
>so.
>
>I'm looking for a PDP-11/73 or -11/23 CPU to upgrade my LSI-11/2 :) along
>with memory for it (I have 8KW I think), and/or an RQDX1/2/3 or similar
>controller so I can attach some real (non-emulated) drives to it.
>
>I don't have anything to test these boards, so I can't verify that they
>work, of course, but they look in very good shape... no burn marks,
>oxidation, not much dust, etc.
>
>-- Pat
> > Some US company (I forget who) made an ultrasonic remote controlled valve
> TV
> > where the remote was essentially tuned metal bars that were mechanically
> > hit when the button was pressed. No electronics in the handset at all.
> > The receiver in the TV detected one of 4 (or so) different frequencies
> > corresponding to the 4 buttons on the remote, and then operated a relay
> > to trigger the appropriate function (I think channel selection was done
> > using an electromechanical stepping swtich, etc).
>
> Boy, that brings back memories. We had one of these sets when I was in
> high-school.
> I believe it was a Zenith, though I wouldn't swear to it. I used to get a
> kick out of clicking
> the buttons just to hear the sounds. You are correct in that the channel
> selection was
> electro-mechanical. It was also a very loud mechanism.
Yes, I remember these. If you looked in the end of the remote, you
could see the metal rods (one for each button). The end of the remote
had a screen covering it. We found that you could use a belt buckle
as a remote, but the results were pretty random, but when you want to
confuse people that was enough.
I always found the high-pitched ring from the striker hitting
the metal bars annoying.
--
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I guess the magic search key for Google is CP/M and Z180.
Wow, a boatload of stuff.
Came across schematics for a P112 board, SB180,
others, and BIOS listings for CP/M customized to
these boards, and lots of other goodies.
Does running 10+ year old software on new
homebrew hardware count as "half-classed"
(or maybe just half-assed) classic computing?
Maybe we need a name. I nominate: Repliputing. :)
-- Ross
I acquired a Heathkit H89a this last Saturday at a local hamfest, but it
did not come with any manuals. Does anyone have one that I can copy
and return or which you would be willing to copy for me? Or better yet,
is there an extra copy which would be available for a small cost?
Also can someone expound on this computer?
--tnx
--tom
Hello,
Could someone with a more comprehensive list of Hewlett-Packard
part numbers give me a description for part number 98261-66513?
Thanks!
Cheers,
Dan
www.decodesystems.com/wanted.html
>Isn't the RRD50 the one with the wierd "pincer" caddy? I've found it to be
>very bootable and useful. Sure it's *SLOW*, but hey, the important thing is
>that it boots! OTOH, if you try and hook it up to something like an
>AlphaStation 200 4/233 I know for a fact it won't work.
No - the RRD50 is the tabletop device with a pop-up lid.
I'm pretty sure it is slower than the (later) RRD40. Both
used the KRQ50 Qbus interface, although the RRD40
was also available with an internal converter board that
turned it into a SCSI drive. Quite popular in the early
VAXstation 3100s, IIRC.
I have an RRD40 right in front of me and (again, AFAIK)
it can be used as a boot device but unlike the RRD50,
it's only dog slow :-)
The RRD40 and RRD50 both came from Philips (I think).
Both used their LMSI(??) interface. The converter board
that helped the RRD40 do SCSI was reputed to be "not that
good". Put another way, the RRD40 has a bunch of quirks.
I'm not in the least suprised that an AlphaStation turns up
its nose at it. (I vaguely remember some alpha console
command that can tweak the SCSI interface - perhaps
you can persuade the two to get on that way ... assuming
you can find the details which I've helpfully forgotten!)
Antonio
>I'm not sure you'll be able to even run V5.5-4Hx (I think that's the high mark
>for V5.5 and I'm not sure what the 'x' was), and I'm pretty sure you can't
>run plain V5.5. You might need to go with V6.0 in order to have VMS support
>your hardware. If you can get someone to build you tapes, I'd recommend
>getting V7.2 or V7.3 instead of earlier versions if you can, as all the doc's
>are available online.
While I would agree with the recommendation to go with a modern
OpenVMS variant (V7.3 or V7.2), the VAX 4000-200 was in fact
supported as far back as VMS V5.4-2. TF85 support may not go
back quite that far: I don't have the old VMS SPDs to hand.
Antonio
> The RRD50 is only theoretically bootable ... it's less than a 1x drive
> so it takes sometime longer than the current age of the Universe to
> actually boot any OS ...
>
> An RRD42 or later does quite reasonably.
>
> Antonio
Isn't the RRD50 the one with the wierd "pincer" caddy? I've found it to be
very bootable and useful. Sure it's *SLOW*, but hey, the important thing is
that it boots! OTOH, if you try and hook it up to something like an
AlphaStation 200 4/233 I know for a fact it won't work.
Zane
>http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/index.html on CDs... of course, if you
>can't find a bootable CDROM drive like a RRD5x, or don't have SCSI, that
The RRD50 is only theoretically bootable ... it's less than a 1x drive
so it takes sometime longer than the current age of the Universe to
actually boot any OS ...
An RRD42 or later does quite reasonably.
Antonio
The TF85/TZ85/TK85 are all the same basic drive, with
DSSI/SCSI/STI interfaces respectively.
Everything up to the TZ87 can read TK50 (CompacTape)
and TK70 (CompacTape II) carts.
The TZ87N was a cost-reduced TZ87, some of the cost
saving coming from dropping the backwards compatibility.
Beyond the TZ87N, nothing (AFAIK) can read TK50 or TK70
carts.
Antonio
> Just picked up a 4000-200 for next to nothing, but I need to install VMS
> on TK50, anyone have a VMS Install, maybe ver 4 or 5 or higher???? (I'm
> not familiar with a TF85, will it read TK50's and TK70's..... shaking the
> dust off of my near forgotten Vax skills {or here-in lack of})
>
> Curt
I'm not sure you'll be able to even run V5.5-4Hx (I think that's the high mark
for V5.5 and I'm not sure what the 'x' was), and I'm pretty sure you can't
run plain V5.5. You might need to go with V6.0 in order to have VMS support
your hardware. If you can get someone to build you tapes, I'd recommend
getting V7.2 or V7.3 instead of earlier versions if you can, as all the doc's
are available online.
IIRC, the TF85 can read TK50's and TK70's just fine, however, you can't
write them. Once you get the system up and running you'll probably want
some Compact III DLT tapes (or does it require Compact II tapes).
I take it this is the first VMS system you've owned? If so you'll probably
find some useful pointers in the VAX section of
http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/decemu.html
Zane
> Thanks Eric, I was hoping based on the numbering that it might be backward
> compatible, I'd just never heard of a TF drive before.
>
> Curt
More or less
TF = DSSI
TZ = SCSI
Zane
> Just picked up a 4000-200 for next to nothing, but I need to install VMS
> on TK50, anyone have a VMS Install, maybe ver 4 or 5 or higher???? (I'm
> not familiar with a TF85, will it read TK50's and TK70's..... shaking the
> dust off of my near forgotten Vax skills {or here-in lack of})
You should be able to read TK50 and TK70 tapes on a TF85.
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/
+15V
-----Original Message-----
From: John Honniball [mailto:coredump@gifford.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:15 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Olivetti M24 monitor
<snip>
The Olivetti monochrome monitor was powered with 12V from the M24.
The colour monitor had its own internal power supply.
Beware of plugging a parallel printer into the M24's video
connector by accident (same "D" connector). It'll blow up
chips inside the printer due to that 12V supply!
--
John Honniball
coredump(a)gifford.co.uk
Hi all
I need to kludge a momitor for an M24 (which is
running some kind of a cutting table for making
rubber boats)
I remember the machine from student days, and the
monitor was, as far as I remember, not standard
at all.
Any ideas?
Wouter
I will be going on a trip to Scotland, and would not mind to take back a nice
classic machine like an Acorn Archimedes . Any pointers as to were such a
machine might be found in the abovementioned area's ?
Jos Dreesen
I have a Grid laptop 5 1/4" SCSI floppy drive (mfgd 1982) for my m.1520.
The 15xx 's used some peripherals (eg. VGA, AC power, SCCI) via adaptors
they called "Pods" in the battery ( which was also a Pod) slot.
The SCCI connector is a DB50 which was also found on some DEC,
SUN,etc. peripherals TMK.
Anyone on the list have this Pod or for that matter any Grid Pods or
accessories they'd part with ?
Lawrence
lgwalker(a)mts.net
bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com
Hell, let's skip the middleman and give all minis/supers/mainframes directly
to me, while we're at it! ;p
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Is it possible to run a VT420 on my DEC 3000/400 (running Digital
UNIX 3.2) while also having the PMAGB-B graphics console?
IIRC, I cannot use serial port 1, since the I'm using the graphics
console... I have the VT420 (9600,8,N,1) hooked to the printer port, using a
DEC H8575-A REV B MMJ adaptor. All I got was a ~ (tilde) when I started it
up. I also have a H8571-E, and a H8571-F adaptors. Should I be using ones of
those instead, with a gender changer?
--
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--- C & IS Support Specialist
--- Yale University Press
--- (203) 432-0953
--- ICQ # - 905818
Joe wrote:
>>At 11:42 AM 8/27/02 +0100, Phil wrote:
>>Joe wrote:
>>> That's true but most products are still cheaper here than in the
>>> UK. Explain that one!
>>Three letters - VAT.
>
> BINGO! Like I said to begin with, it's all about government revenue!
The US generally has sales tax which (I believe) is
more or less exactly what VAT is (except VAT is 17.5%
and Sales Taxes are generally lower ...) so the difference
lies (mostly) elsewhere ...
Antonio
Can you stop the boot process when it is searching for a boot device and
then manually select the boot device and add the ISL option? If you can get
to an ISL prompt then you should be able to boot in single user mode. I
have no idea if older HP 9000 systems have an ISL prompt, my experience is
limited to 9000/700 series systems.
>From: "Rumi Szabolcs" <rumi_ml(a)rtfm.hu>
>Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>Subject: reviving a HP 9000/310
>Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:53:48 +0100
>
>Hello!
>
>I'm currently trying to make an old HP 9000/310 machine work.
>Some information about the machine and the status of the
>"project" can be found out at:
>
>http://paranoia.rulez.org/~rumi/hp310.html
>
>What I currently need is either a way to crack into the
>HP-UX that is already installed on the box, or a floppy
>set (== images which can be written to floppies) of HP-UX
>that would run on this machine which sports a Motorola
>68010/10MHz CPU, 2MB RAM, and a HP9153C 40MB HP-IB hard
>disk drive / 3.5" floppy drive combo.
>
>If you have such floppy images, or could help me with any
>software, documentation, or information regarding this system,
>please don't hesitate to contact me via email.
>
>If I succeed, I'm planning to put a nice webpage together
>about the system, with pics, history, infos, etc.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Szabolcs Rumi
>
>-
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>Worse, I can't get the video to work if I plug the cable into the back of
>the 1702. I can only get it to work with the composite connector on the
>front. Maybe it's because I still don't have the right cable. Whatever.
>This is a nightmare.
The rear connectors on that monitor are Y/C connectors, not Color
Composite. So unless the cable is dumping out a Y/C signal, it might not
work there (although, IIRC, you should still get a B&W image when plugged
into one of the two channels... so maybe the rear inputs on that monitor
are broken?)
I also recall a switch back there for something. I can't verify as I sent
my 1702 to Toth along with a complete C64 system (which I have regretted
ever since, as it was a very complete system... but I suppose with him it
has a better home where it is really being used, as compared to me where
it probably would have sat in a box for the rest of time)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Karl Bernst writes:
> I've got an octal keypad plus the letters "H,L,G,S,R,A,B,C"... Anyone =
> who knows exactly what they do?
After doing a web search, I found a listing for the keyboard
routine.
http://www.classiccmp.org/mail-archive/classiccmp/1998-04/0779.html
It appears that you enter an 3 digit octal number and then hit a
function key.
H - puts the number in the H register
L - puts the number in the L register
S - puts the number into memory pointed to by HL and then
increments HL.
G - Loads the program counter with the contents of HL
I dug out my copy of "the 8080a Bugbook", but it does not
discuss the operation of the keyboard. You might try to find
the May-July 1976 issue of Radio Electronics.
--Doug
=========================================
Doug Coward
@ home in Poulsbo, WA
Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center
http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog
=========================================
I vividly remember my Pulsar Electronics Little-Big-Board.
It was an STD bus board, sporting a 4Mhz Z-80, 64K ram, 8" floppy disk
interface (1.2Mb!!!), RTC, and dual serial ports.
The board came with a full BIOS listing, as well as the device specific CP/M
stuff. I remember that you could re-link the CP/M innards to allow HDD
support (I was never *that* rich).
Spent *many* hours on that box, running Wordstar, and a cool pascal compiler
called Turbo Pascal. I used a terminal that I brought from the US (ZRT-80).
I still have it, in a 19" box, with dual M4854 (5.25" 77 Track) drives.
(Boy, it was hard to find the HD media then). The box had the bigest
storage on the block, and I was the envy of all my friends when it came out.
A mate had an kaypro system that supported dual 170K? disks. (grin) From
memory, the board cost about $500 Aus, each drive cost about $450 Aus, and
the Apple II power supply for the case cost about $35US from Jameco. All in
1985 currency.
Anyway, back onto topic. I still have all of the listings, and the full
schematics for the box as well.
Doug Jackson
MSS Operations Manager
Citadel Securix
(02) 6290 9011 (Ph)
(02) 6262 6152 (Fax)
(0414) 986 878 (mobile)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross Archer [mailto:archer@topnow.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 10:08 AM
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: BACK-OT: which CP/M machine is best (to copy)? :)
>
>
> Geoff Reed wrote:
> >
> > all of the CP/M machines I have here at the moment are
> serial terminal
> > based, I think that these are the rule, rather than the exception.
>
> Coolness. Maybe I'm asking all the wrong questions.
>
> The *right* question is: what terminal-based
> system would be good to use as a starting point/reference
> design? (i.e. "rip off and modify" :)
>
> That is: what's your favorite terminal-based
> CP/M system and why? :)
>
> Big points for:
>
> * Well-documented
> * Available BIOS ASM sourcecode
> * Available schematics
> * Particularly popular, collectable appeal (might as
> well
> emulate something people like.)
> * Unusually clever, minimalist, or just "good" designs.
>
> It would be so cool to get a fast Z180 adapted to fit
> as a superfast CP/M replica. :)
>
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>From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com>
>
>Hi
> Is there anyone that is in the silicon valley area
>that can program N82S181's? Also, does anyone have
>a source for or N82S181C parts?
^^^
it was N82S181A
> This is for an Olivetti M20 that I'm working on.
>Dwight
>
>
>
All,
got in contact with an old friend of mine, Jeff
(no.trag.spam(a)io.com, remove the obvious and the dots before the @), and
got some information relevant to the Outbound systems. Here's the useful
stuff:
>Yes, Outbound. I don't know why so many people write Outback. Maybe
>because of the steak house?
He goes on to say he has one and some parts, but not any he wants to
dispose of right now.
>Chris mentions the docking ability to a Mac Plus (could also be a Mac
>SE). I don't have that docking adapter. The thingy that goes
>inside the Mac Plus. I really want one too, but have not been able
>to find one anywhere. I put an ad in the news groups every so often
>with no results.
...
>I
>have taken them apart and done repairs and such so I know them pretty
>well. Most of that work was close to ten years ago though, so the
>memory may be hazy. Oh, I have done component level repairs on the
>power supply and fixed the corrupt EEPROM problem--so if someone has
>those issues with one, I might be able to provide advice too.
...
>BTW, what this fellow is referring to is the original Outbound Laptop
>Model 125. Most people think of the later notebooks when they think
>of the Outbound. For example, the notebook on "Single White Female"
>is an Outbound *Notebook*. The Laptop is a big clunker at 9 lb.
>It's about 8.5" X 11" X 4". It uses a standard lead-acid camcorder
>battery which makes it easy to replace. The last time I checked
>Radio Shack and Best Buy sold them.
>
>The slave card isn't that hard to install--so I understand. I
>believe it just plugs into the ROM sockets.
>
>Hmmmm. What is the scope of the classic computers list?
(I told him anything computing and >10 years old.)
>I'm looking for some information on Larry Pina.
...
>...Let me know if
>someone pops up on the list with some docking adapters for the Model
>125--or if you're feeling energetic you might ask if anyone has any
>extras they want to part with.
HTH, - Mark
FWIW the UnixPC 7300 which was belatedly adopted into the
3B family, and renamed "3B1" by the marketing guys, despite
having nothing in common with the other 3B machines, was
actually a close cousin of the CT Miniframe. (I'm not sure
if Convergent actually manufacured the 7300, but it was
certainly their design)
Hello.
I just subscribed to this list because I got my hands on an MMD-1. My teacher in digital tech was going to throw it away but I managed to stop him. He had already gotten rid of the instruction book. My problem is that I've never programmed anything like this before, and I'm having a hard time understanding anything of it. I have read a few threads in this list about the MMD-1, but they didn't help much. Let's say I want to put a number in one of the ports, how do I do that?
address data mnemonic comment
------- ----------- -------- --------------------------------------
004 000 076 123 MVI A<-123 ; load 123 into A
004 002 323 000 OUT 0 ; write it to port 0
004 004 166 HALT
(code from http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/mmd2/programs/setPorts.html, so it's really for the MMD-2 but I think they are quite alike)
Now that would put the octal number 123 in port 0, right?
How do I enter this into the MMD-1?
I've got an octal keypad plus the letters "H,L,G,S,R,A,B,C"... Anyone who knows exactly what they do?
/Karl Bernst?l
This sounds like a good opportunity for someone to obtain an instant XEROX collection! Contact Brian <sses(a)localnet.com> directly.
Joe
>From: sses <sses(a)localnet.com>
>To: rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com
>Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 07:44:09 -0000
>Subject: Xerox 820-II
>X-Mailer: Opera 6.0 build 1010
>
>Hello Joe,
>
>I saw your note in the CPM news group re Xerox 820s. I have several
>boxes of manuals/disks for the Xerox 820-II. Plus I have a Xerox 820-II
>(16/8 bit) and few unopened boxes of a unknow Xerox 820 hardware
>related items that were mailed to me seven years ago. I never had the
>time to open and use them.
>
>Do you know of anyone in the Western New York (Rochester) area that
>would like to have all of these items for free. They would have to pick
>them up... I don't have the means to ship them. It will require a van or
>truck...
>
>If I can't find someone to pick them up I will have to put them on the
>curb..... that would a painful decision.
>
>Brian
>
>
>
> From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu]
>
>
> Is it possible to run a VT420 on my DEC 3000/400
> (running Digital
> UNIX 3.2) while also having the PMAGB-B graphics console?
> IIRC, I cannot use serial port 1, since the I'm using
> the graphics
> console... I have the VT420 (9600,8,N,1) hooked to the
> printer port, using a
> DEC H8575-A REV B MMJ adapter. All I got was a ~ (tilde) when
> I started it
> up. I also have a H8571-E, and a H8571-F adapters. Should I
> be using ones of
> those instead, with a gender changer?
>
> --
I'm starting to think I may have to dig up my docs for D/UX at home,
and enable something in there first, right? It would be great if this does
work, then I can hook it to my terminal server the same way...
--
--- David A Woyciesjes
--- C & IS Support Specialist
--- Yale University Press
--- (203) 432-0953
--- ICQ # - 905818
Hi, gang,
Well, I'm back. I may not collect computers much any more (my ham radio and test gear interests have flared, big-time), but I still have some decent stuff to get rid of that I think just might find a good home with some of you. I still come across classic stuff in my travels as well, so I think it's worth it to maintain contact.
Here are some links to stuff I currently have listed on Ebay. S-100 system owners should take special note of a couple of the items. ;-)
DEC Micro-RSTS 2.1, and various PDP diagnostics and formatters on RX50's:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2048901683
MultiBus Extender boards and a MultiBus prototype board:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1761718677
S-100 Bus Extenders and Prototyping Cards, all unused/NOS:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2048953253
Wombat QBus-to-SMD disk controller:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2048984536
S-100 Bus Passive Backplane Cards (six-slotters):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2048994932
Also: I still have available, for local pickup southeast of Seattle, a MicroVAX 3 (KA650, 32MB RAM) in the BA123 (end table) enclosure, priced at $100.00 or best offer. It includes a Sigma RQD11S SCSI/Qbus host adapter that can work either disk or tape drives, two 760MB SCSI disks, TK50, etc. Last time I fired it up a couple of years ago, it was still booting from the NetBSD load I put on the disks. I don't recall if the Sigma adapter will boot from CD-ROM or not, but I'll throw in an RRD40 and its controller if I can find them.
Thanks for putting up with a most shameless plug. Keep the peace(es).
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy,
Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com
ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
"I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior
to what I have now..." (Taki Kogoma, aka Gym Z. Quirk)
I didn't want to go ebay, but last time I posted here with surplus
stuff and asked for offers, I got no response.
However, in case you're interested, I have put my Osborne 1 up on
ebay. It's an original beige case unit. Monitor lights up, but can't
get it to access the drives to boot, which I understand is a common
fault amongst surviving Osbornes. The AC cord cover is intact, it's
in good cosmetic condition as well, and includes the original disks
in the original disk box. The included disks are:
CP/M system
CP/M Utilities
MS Basic
Wordstar (includes keyboard overlay)
Supercalc.
If you want to see it, it's at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2047971573
I'll try offering a bunch of Apple II stuff here on the list in a couple of
days.... it's time to get out and concentrate on the things I do have
time for.
Paul Braun WD9GCO
Cygnus Productions
nerdware_nospam(a)laidbak.com
"A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog without a bunch of bricks tied to its head."
I have been given a couple of these (thanks Paul) and would like to know
more about them.
These were obviously used as network stations, neither has a hard disk
and from the looks of the inside hard disks were never installed.
Both power on and blink the indicator lights on the front but I get
nothing on the connected multisynch monitor - is this normal?
Any pointer to technical info would be welcome, the HP doc archive does
not mention this model.
Regards,
-- hbp
I've just come across an HP 9000/300 and 9000/220 in a dumpster over here
at University Salvage. I see that the 300 has a 68010 (first one I've
owned), but am not sure about the 220. Both have video and 'keyboard'
connections.
I've found some 300 info using google, but nothing helpful on the 220.
Also, are these worth anything? I've got no drives with them, but I did
get a bunch of lab I/O boxes (multimeter, and other things) with them.
-- Pat
Ok, here's how lame the C64 is. I have three of them. I have three
different types of video cable. The first thing I notice is that the C64
I've been working on has a different video connector than the other two.
The other two are older; the one I've been working on newer (based on
serial numbers and internal differences). The one I've been working on is
most likely dead. I can't get anything out of it after trying various
combinations of cables and monitors.
So how come none of you C64 experts piped up to tell me that the video
connector on the C64 changed over time? The later one had more pins, and
the C64 video cable (that I searched all over for and finally found) only
plugs into the newer style connector. It won't plug into the older ones
because there are too many pins.
Worse, I can't get the video to work if I plug the cable into the back of
the 1702. I can only get it to work with the composite connector on the
front. Maybe it's because I still don't have the right cable. Whatever.
This is a nightmare.
See, this is why I have such a poor opinion of the Commodore 64. Sure,
technically it's a nice computer. But practically, it's a pile of shit.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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I've got one of these cuties (monochrome monitor), but no
software or docs. Disk spins on power up, but no text at
all on screen; have tried PC-DOS 1.0 through 3.3, but no
message of any sort. Is this normal with a non-Sanyo disk,
or does it have a problem?
Anybody have a boot disk, and if so, can it be tele-disked
or would I need the physical diskette?
TIA,
m
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