The 547 was not *that* bad...
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@cfl.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 5:34 AM
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Tek O-scope's Available in Oregon
>
>
> Bob,
>
> I'll take it off your hands for $100. That means you PAY
> ME to take it! :-)
>
> Joe
>
> At 07:08 PM 9/29/02 -0400, you wrote:
> >I've got a Tek 547, complete with scope cart and several
> plug-ins I'd be
> >willing to part with.
> >
>
>
>
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Which kermit mode should be used when transfering files to an RSX-11 system
using kermit, ASCII or BINARY? I realize this is normally based on the type
of the file, but when I xfer task files using BINARY I get this silly "not a
valid task" message when I try to install or run the file.
OK, time for another round of cleaning. All of the following is
available immediately, just inside the Washington DC Beltway (I-495).
Pick up only; no shipping. E-mail me at "shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com"
if you're interested.
Qty 5 RL02 drives. Take them all and get a free DEC H960 rack with
power controller too. (You just have to help me lug it out of the
basement...)
Qty 2 rack-mount BA23 chassis. Random cards inside, I let you pick
over my box of old Q-bus junk too.
Qty 1 floor-standing BA23 chassis. Most of a Microvax III inside.
One BA123, most of a Microvax II inside.
Some 5.25" FH SCSI and ESDI drives. In the few hundred MB to 2 Gbyte
range.
At least two 600MB Magento-Optical 5.25" cartridge drives, SCSI
interface. Dozens and dozens of cartridges too.
A bunch of RL02 packs in a stand-up roll-down-door Wright-Line cabinet.
I'd prefer to give these to whoever takes the RL02 drives. A few
random RL01 carts mixed in.
A DEC Alpha 3000/300 with greyscale monitor.
Again, E-mail me at "shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com" if you're interested; do
not reply to this account, please.
Tim.
Same conditions as the DEC stuff: You pick up only.
A bunch of Shugart 8" floppy drives, electrically identical to SA801's
but the aluminum castings are slightly wider than a real SA801. (Maybe
these are SA901's? I don't know.)
E-mail me at "shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com" if interested.
Tim.
I've got an unopened IRIX CD here, `IRIX 5.3 for Indy R4400 175MHz'
(#813-0336-001) that I'd like to trade for a version that will install on a
4D/30, preferably with XFS.
Bob
I've got several located in Columbus, Ohio that I really don't want.
Anybody want 'em before I set them out by the curb? They're basically
untested, but it's a pretty good bet the pickup tires are going bad. :) I
can dig up model #'s if anyone's interested.
Bob
I still have three of HP 9000/520 computers, both mono & color, plus have a
model 540, and have many boards and cables for them. I programmed these for
years, but long ago.
Eric
> From: Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com>
> And Bennett, just in case you wondered since then, I *did* get that
> rack. It was indeed a /93, with a M8981-BA, a M5977-AA, and a M3106,
> with an RZ24 and TZ30.
> And, the identical backup unit came with it. Same configuration.
> For a total cost of $80.
Nice score, Doc.
> I'm not usually given to profanity on public lists, but,
>
> Fuck You, ya stupid jerk. I win.
Right on! I remember this scenario very well, and every so often since
then I've wondered who on this list would pull such a low-down trick.
Thanks for clearing this up. Perhaps now the rat will stop polluting this
list and crawl back to where he belongs.
Glen
0/0
If I am not for myself, then who will be for me?
And if not now, when?
-- Pirkei Avot
Who IS this arrogant, manipulative bloodsucker? The list has been sooooo
peaceful lately . . .
> From: Mail List <mail.list(a)analog-and-digital-solutions.com>
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: (no subject)
> Date: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:19 AM
First, a plea to our patriotism:
> If anyone has the below part, and want's to cough it up to help the
> US military, let me know.
Next, a (false) attestation of indifference:
> Know this though, it's not my problem,
> and I'm not too concerned about it.
.. and an implication that "Mail List" will not benefit from this
transaction:
> If you have it, you won't be helping
> me, you will be helping your own military.
.. followed by another attempt to appeal to our sense of patriotic duty:
> I read that some of you
> hate the government, etc., but some of you are also ex-military and
> might be willing to assist them.
But wait:
> I'm not going to release enough
> information that would make it possible for you to contact them direct,
> so it will go through me, or it won't go at all.
If he's "not too concerned" about the outcome, why is he jealously
controlling the flow of information?
> If you're one of the ones
> that generally spouts about dealer prices and prices on eBay being
> too high, and feel that you should never pay anyone else very much
> for anything, you better have a low price yourself, or we're not going
> to be willing to have any involvement with you.
Translation: He wants to Buy Low and Sell High.
> After all, who of you
> would want to have anything to do with people that say one thing and
> do another.
I hope that none of the listmembers would choose to deal with someone who
would present such a sleazy proposal.
Please, whoever you are, this list is not a commercial venue. It is for
those who choose to restore, preserve, collect, and USE classic computing
equipment. Although many of us do trade and sell equipment, we do so in
order to support our hobby, not in anticipation of a quick, fat profit at
someone else's expense. If you choose to deal in these items on a
for-profit basis, so be it, but this is not the place to do so.
My apologies to the listmembers for the rant.
Glen
0/0
If I am not for myself, then who will be for me?
And if not now, when?
-- Pirkei Avot
uhm, yes. well. clinton agreed. bush didnt. his first action
in-office was to freeze all pending INS requests.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@cfl.rr.com]
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 7:21 PM
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: RE: Hard year
>
>
> At 11:02 PM 9/28/02 +0200, you wrote:
> >> What do you mean "would have"? Either you voted for him or
> >> you didn't? (I voted for none of the above both times he ran)
> >Given the fact that although I live in the US (most of the year),
> >they still wont let me vote... *sigh* Hence, "would have".
>
> Oh, I thought you'd been here long enough to be a citizen.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
Communism is one extreme (yes, I know what its like), but current and/or
recent U.S. politics is another....
--f
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Feher [mailto:n4fs@monmouth.com]
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 12:25 AM
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Hard year
>
>
>
> Guys, I lived under communism. I am very happy here. You are
> all welcome to
> move. Regards - Mike
>
>
>
> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
> 89 Arnold Blvd.
> Howell NJ, 07731
> (732) 901-9193
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe" <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:34 PM
> Subject: RE: Hard year
>
>
> > At 03:44 PM 9/27/02 -0700, you wrote:
> > >On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Joe wrote:
> > >
> > >> Let's just hope we have someone worth voting for!
> > >
> > >It goes without saying that we will not.
> > >
> > >I suggest you "throw your vote away" and vote for an
> independent. Hell,
> > >at this point I'd vote for a damn Communist!
> >
> > Given the choice between "I invented the internet" Gore
> and "Let's
> start war somewhere to take people's minds off the economy"
> Bush I have to
> agree.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
dude, how'd you float in on a raft loaded with PDP-11's VAXen and the
occasional Sun?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@cfl.rr.com]
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:01 PM
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: RE: Hard year
>
>
> At 11:23 PM 9/28/02 +0200, you wrote:
> >uhm, yes. well. clinton agreed. bush didnt. his first action
> >in-office was to freeze all pending INS requests.
>
> Just proves that you didn't know hpow to work the system.
> If you would have floated in on a raft, you'd automaticly
> been granted residence. If you'd sneaked across the border
> from Mexico, you'd been granted citizenship!
>
> I'll stop here before my blood pressure gets any higher!
>
> Joe
>
>
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@cfl.rr.com]
> >> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 7:21 PM
> >> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> >> Subject: RE: Hard year
> >>
> >>
> >> At 11:02 PM 9/28/02 +0200, you wrote:
> >> >> What do you mean "would have"? Either you voted for him or
> >> >> you didn't? (I voted for none of the above both times he ran)
> >> >Given the fact that although I live in the US (most of the year),
> >> >they still wont let me vote... *sigh* Hence, "would have".
> >>
> >> Oh, I thought you'd been here long enough to be a citizen.
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> What do you mean "would have"? Either you voted for him or
> you didn't? (I voted for none of the above both times he ran)
Given the fact that although I live in the US (most of the year),
they still wont let me vote... *sigh* Hence, "would have".
--f
yeah, from "SP - The Movie". Cartman's mom (or was it
Kyle's) goes to war against the Canadians after she finds
the kids' minds are poised by the new Terrance&Philip
(adult-)movie. The "war march" song is Blame Canada ;-)
--f
Has anyone ever heard of or have a Quantum Data Corporation 801A
character generator?
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Anyone interested in checking this out?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kate Olin" <blue(a)intrnet.net>
To: "Robert F. Schaefer" <rschaefe(a)gcfn.org>
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: DEC PDP-11/73
> Hi again, Bob,
> Sorry to bother you. You might remember I am the wife of the guy
> who saved a VAX from the scrapheap earlier this month. Well, he went and
> saved another DEC but I was wondering if you know anything about it.
> It's a Digital PDP-11/73. I'm not sure about the dash in there. Anyway,
> Dave said that it doesn't run the VMS software and it isn't the nice
specimen that
> the DEC 6000 was. But they were going to scrap it, so he paid the
> scrap price and brought it home. He was able to transport it himself
> without getting a UHaul, so he doesn't have much in it and won't have to
ask for
> much for it.
>
> Is there any interest out there in the PDP 11? He said this one
> is missing a small panel, otherwise it was physically okay.
>> Now for the bad news. Shipping is 152.89 and they would want more if
you
[------------------------------------^ to zip 43211 for a datapoint]
>> need a lift gate for it. That's the price if you have a fork lift on
your
>> end. Don't worry. I can put it on ebay. We'll save it. My husband is
>> looking at another DEC he wants to save. Tell me, he's considering a
WANG
>> too, are they as good?
> Kate
>Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:21:28 -0500
>From: John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com>
>Subject: American Computer Museum?
>
>
>Anyone ever been to this place in Bozeman, MT?
>
> http://www.compuseum.org
>
>- John
The American Computer Museum is quite good. However, Bozeman *is* a bit off the
beaten track, and a straightforward tour (arranged as a timeline) only takes
about an hour. All the exhibits are static: no blinkenlights, poppenkorken, or
blowenfusen to amuse das dumbkopfen. When I was there (about 3 years ago) they
didn't have anything really exotic that I can recall, but there were some quite
cool electromechanical accounting machines and some fine 10 key-per-column
Burroughs adding machines. There is a well stocked little gift shop. The
people who run it certainly know their stuff (spelling mistakes
notwithstanding).
Also well worth looking into is:
http://www.computerhistory.org/
located at Moffet Field, near Mountain View, CA. I was there last week, and
they have some very neat stuff: part of the original ENIAC, a complete (but
butchered) JOHNNIAC, a CRAY 1, a CRAY 2, the original Woz Apple prototype, and
uncharted warehouses full of dusty boxes donated over the years. At present
they are only open a couple of days a week. A very knowledgeable guide (who
probably actually used some of the stuff they have on display) will give you a
guided tour.
Enjoy,
Bob.
| the digital divide is an issue of poverty;
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ProntoLogical Calgary, AB | barriers, we'll all live in a safer,
+1 403/861-8827 T2L 1R4, Canada | more prosperous world.
| - John Gage, Sun's chief researcher.
When I first moved to Seattle in December of 1977, I checked out the local
computer stores. At "The Retail Computer Store" the clerk was Bob Wallace.
Bob invited me to the Northwest Computer Club meetings that were then held
at the Pacific Science Center (part of the 1962 Worlds Fair.)
Club officers, December 1977
http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/MySystem/ClubMembers100.jpg
The Club hosted a computer fair at the Science Center. (In 1978 and 1979 it
drew thousands of people.) Bob ran the first one and I was volunteered to
run the fair the next year. I was glad the Bob was around to help for the
second fair.
The night the second fair was over, Bob and I sat around talking. He almost
finished with his Masters in Computer Science at the University of
Washington. (He was helping with the fair during finals week.) He was
excited about his new job in Albuquerque with Microsoft.
Later when I was working at Data I/O doing PLD software (ABEL), we OEMed a
few thousand copies of Bob's text editor "PC-Write".
Michael Holley
www.swtpc.com/mholley
Stefan,
Please drop me an email regarding your recent posting... e-mail to your
address (stefan(a)softhome.net) bounces....
Thanks,
Fred
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> From: Al Kossow <aek(a)apple.com>
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Xerox 820
> Date: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 6:17 PM
>
> re: google search not finding anything..
>
> "xerox 820" returns http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/xerox/820/
> as the first entry, which contains all of my scanned
> documentation.
>
> Unfortunately, spies is down right now. Hopefully it
> will be back up soon.
>
Thanks Al. My wife *has* been bugging me to get new glasses ;>)
Glen
0/0
Re: Transputer Boards
I talked with a hobbyist this morning, that unfortunately since about the
time of the 9/11 incident, has been out of work for the last year, and is
selling some of his gear to make next month's rent. He currently sells
stuff on eBay. ( note: to make as much money as he can, and he is at
least honest in his open admission of it, so he has my respect for that ).
He is looking for some transputer boards. I myself don't yet know anything
about them, as I've never had any, or done any research on them. But if
anyone has any they want to sell, let me know what you've got, and how
much you want for it/them. I might be willing to buy some for him, and
he and I would then trade some parts. You'd pretty much have to be
wanting what he, as another hobbyist, would be willing to pay for them,
so if you're not interested ( because it might not be a whole lot, I just
don't know ), I would completely understand.
Bennett
What I remember from that time is that as result of the movie
questions were asked in the Senate *if* the scenario shown in
the movie *could* be possible ...
BTW I love that movie. Seen it more than 5 times, still like it.
my 2c,
- Henk.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cini, Richard [mailto:RCini@congressfinancial.com]
> Sent: woensdag 25 september 2002 14:51
> To: CCTalk (E-mail)
> Subject: Was "War Games" based on real-life?
>
> Hello, all:
>
> While flipping through PC Magazine this morning, I noticed the
> following quote on page 26 of the 10/15/02 issue:
>
> "You might expect highly technical security advice from Kevin
> Mitnick, whose alleged 1982 hack into NORAD inspired the
> movie War Games."
>
> This is the first time I've seen this reference. Is this true?
>
> Rich
Hi Lawrence,
I see you got that PDP8/e chassis on eBay that I posted to the list. As you
now well know it wasn't me selling it, and while it wasn't anything I was
interested in, I thought one of you DEC collectors might be.
Bennett
Went shopping today and found one of these. Is anyone familar with them? I guess it does the same thing as a HP Logic Clip but it's bigger. It has a clip the attaches to a 16 pin IC then about a 18" cable. On the other end of the cable is a box that measures about 4 1/2" x 3" x 1/2" with a large window on one side. Inside the window is a black panel with two rows of holes with a LED under each hole. The odd thing is that one row has eight holes and LEDs and the other has nine! I've been playing with it and haven't seen the 9th LED light up yet so I'm not sure what it's for. There also a slot at the end of the box, It looks like it's intended for the user to make a THIN paper label and insert it under the window and between the rows of LED holes. I opened it up and it's made of individual components (including lots of diodes!) except for three 7404 ICs. The ICs used in this one are all dated 1972. The whole thing is grey except for the window and it says that it was made in West Germany. Anybody know exactly what the extra LED is for?
Joe
The following lot is available for the cost of postage (or pickup in
Orlando, FL). You must take them all. All on topic since they are over
ten years old. Please contact me offlist if you're interested.
CICS Handbook (Kageyama)
Programmer's Survival Guide (Ruhl)
1-2-3 Macro Library, 3rd Edition (Ewing)
Paul Mace Guide to Data Recovery (Mace)
Practical Image Processing in C (with diskette) (Lindley)
Novell Netware Power Tools (with diskette) (Edelhart)
Practical Guide to Database Design (Hogan)
MVS Performance Management (Samson)
Hard Disk Power (with diskette) (Jamsa)
CICS for the COBOL Programmer Part 1 (Lowe)
CICS for the COBOL Programmer Part 2 (Lowe)
All in great shape. If no takers by Friday 9-13-2002 these will become
dumpster food as per the Bullshit Reduction Act of 2002.
Later --
Glen
0/0
If I am not for myself, then who will be for me?
And if not now, when?
-- Pirkei Avot
A "small" list of what I have here, I would like to swap/sell it so I can
get new thingies for my own collection, but if someone really wants it
badly enough I might give it away.
The list :
DecNet MicroVMS V4.6
Decnet-11m+ V4.0 Deckit 16mt9
Decnet-11m+ V4.0 Netkit 16mt9
Decnet-VAX F/Func RX50
DECprint Printing Services V4.0 UPD DOC
DECprint Printing Services V4.0 UPD MT
DECprint V4.1 16mt9
Decserver 1.2 bin TK50
Decserver 1.3 bin 16mt9
HSC Software V3.9A DOC UPD
Lifespan int rtl2 VAX V2.2
MicroVMS V1.0
Pathworks VMS V4.0 TK50
RSX11M V4.2 update E MT:1600
RSX11m V4.4 BIN MT:1600
RSX11m V4.4 BRU64K MT:1600
RSX-11m-PLUS V4.2 BIN 16mt9
TU58#15 VAX TE16/TU45/77 DIAG
TU58#20 VAX SYS EXR/BUSINT
TU58#33 VAX BUS DIAGNOSTICS
TU58#43 VAX BUS TEST DIAG
TU58#5 VAX750 CACHEB/MEM/EXR
TU58#52 VAX TU80 DIAGNOSTIC
TU58#7 VAX 11 HARDCORE INSTR
TU58#8 VAX 11 INSTR
TU58#9 CR/DISK USER MODE
VAX ADA V1.5 bin TK50
VAX ADA/UVMS V1.3 bin TK50
VAX BASIC V3.4 UPD TK50
VAX CDD PLUS V4.1 BIN 16mt9
VAX CDD PLUS V4.1A TUPD 16mt9
VAX CDD PLUS V4.2 16mt9
VAX CDD PLUS V4.2A UPD 16mt9
VAX CDD PLUS V4.3 UPD 16mt9
VAX Fortran V4.5-V4.8
VAX PCA V2.2 UPD 16mt9
VAX RDB/VMS V3.0B 16mt9
VAX RDB/VMS V3.1A 16mt9
VAX RDB/VMS V3.1B 16mt9
VAX/VMS V4.4 BIN 16mt9
VMS/WS SFTWR V4.1 UPD TK50
VMS/WS SFTWR V4.2 UPD DOC
VMS/WS SFTWR V4.3 UPD TK50
VMS/WS SFTWR V4.4 UPD TK50
All located in the Netherlands btw but sendable all over the world.
yours,
Stefan.
re: google search not finding anything..
"xerox 820" returns http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/xerox/820/
as the first entry, which contains all of my scanned
documentation.
Unfortunately, spies is down right now. Hopefully it
will be back up soon.
I worked with one of the main programmers when we were both
in Apple ATG. It is a box full of ATT 32C DSPs.
It's worth saving. They were very neat devices at the time.
The Computer Museum will probably be interested, since I
don't think they have one.
I aquired an Apple 2 HPIB card from ebay,
without documentation.
Does anyone know where to find or have a copy of the
Apple ][ IEEE-488 Interface Users Guide?
You can find a picture of the cover here
http://member.nifty.ne.jp/apple2tree/manual/manual6.htm
Keven Miller
kevenm(a)reeltapetransfer.com
I'm going to be spending a few days in Minneapolis and then road-tripping
down to Chicago for a few more. Anything in particular I don't want to
miss in terms of classic computer surplus, museums, robots, etc?
Recommendations welcomed and appreciated.
> There is a very old patent, 1982, that Compaq owns that they claim covers
Exactly how long do patents last these days? Did it not used to be 17 years
(max - assuming the renewal fees were paid)? If so, has it not expired?
The IBM patent server should be able to track it down (given a few more details)
and (IIRC) it will tell you if it is still in force.
Antonio
http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/
Listed here without further comment :-)
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I've finally found the time to get my Amiga 3000 back up and running. It's
a pretty nice machine, though it has an early rev 6.1 Motherboard, I'd
upgraded it to 3.1 ROMs, and have it running with the latest rev's of all
the chips. I'd also gotten an Ami-Fast board to add 4 4Mb 72-pin SIMMs,
instead of using ZIPs, a Hydra 10Base2 Ethernet board, and a Picasso IV
video card. It currently has a 2GB HD, and an external 4x CD-ROM.
My first new upgrade has been a brand new copy of Amiga OS 3.9 (well worth
the $40+S&H). There is one slight problem, WinUAE is considerably faster.
As the first paragraph shows, the one thing my system is missing is an
Accelerator card. Does anyone happen to have either an Accelerator, or an
Amiga 4000 that they'd let go cheap or for trade?
Zane
If anyone has the below part, and want's to cough it up to help the
US military, let me know. Know this though, it's not my problem,
and I'm not too concerned about it. If you have it, you won't be helping
me, you will be helping your own military. I read that some of you
hate the government, etc., but some of you are also ex-military and
might be willing to assist them. I'm not going to release enough
information that would make it possible for you to contact them direct,
so it will go through me, or it won't go at all. If you're one of the ones
that generally spouts about dealer prices and prices on eBay being
too high, and feel that you should never pay anyone else very much
for anything, you better have a low price yourself, or we're not going
to be willing to have any involvement with you. After all, who of you
would want to have anything to do with people that say one thing and
do another. In Europe OK, shipping costs are not a problem. EOL
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last known company to build it.
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Phone: 916-351-4500
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At 03:19 AM 9/27/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>If anyone has the below part, and want's to cough it up to help the
>US military, let me know. Know this though, it's not my problem,
>and I'm not too concerned about it.
Why aren't you concerned about it? Our military needs something and
you're not concerned about it? What are you, some kind of commie pinko
or somethin'? I'm shocked, shocked!
>... I'm not going to release enough information that would make it possible
>for you to contact them direct, so it will go through me, or it won't go at
>all.
Whoa -- now it sounds like you want to act as a choke point on these
vitally-needed parts as well. I'm starting to get worried here, chief.
>... If you're one of the ones that generally spouts about dealer prices and
>prices on eBay beingtoo high, and feel that you should never pay anyone
>else very much for anything, you better have a low price yourself, or we're
>not going to be willing to have any involvement with you.
Just hold on one darned minute! You don't care if the military
gets the parts they need, you insert yourself as gatekeeper to ensure
they only get what you want them to get, now you want a low cost so
you can add some outrageous uplift and gouge the armed forces as well?
For shame!
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Well, after wading thru miles of corporate red tape, and jumping several
Dilbertian hurdles, we managed to rescue two 11/44s and two 11/23s from a
Big Company in San Diego.
Marvin Johnston drove from Santa Barbara (and back!) to get the
machines, which are all in one 7' DEC rack. There is also an RL02, 1 (or
2?) SCSI drives attached to one of the /44s, about 20 RL02 packs, and a
Blue Wall. It appears the machines are running RSX.
I'll know more about them next week when I get them back up here to
Quincy in the northern Sierras.
Thanks go to Sellam who first alerted me to the deal *last year*, and of
course to Marvin who drove over 400 miles on very short notice...
More legacy machinery saved from the dumpster... if things work out I
am strongly considering exhibiting at least one of the /44s at VCF 5 -
along with a PR1ME 750 if we can get it's swap disk crankiness sorted out.
Cheers
John
Hi Bob,
Your work prompted me to spend some time on an assembler for the Imlac
and after a couple of nights of work on a brand new program, I can correctly
assemble the simple display program.
I will get you a copy once I clean up a couple of things. What kind of machine
would you like to run it on?
--tom
Hi John
Not all switcher are of the same high quality
as the ones you are testing. I've seen enough of them
that will turn the transistor on solid if the
the voltage is too low, in an attempt to bring the
output voltage up. This was more common in older
switchers than newer ones. Most are designed to
shut down, as John noted, now days. It wasn't
always that way.
Even so, there is little useful results of using
a variac on these new ones. The only capacitor that
you are bringing up slowly is the primary side filter.
The DC outputs will snap to level when the input
protection allows it.
Dwight
>From: "J.C. Wren" <jcwren(a)jcwren.com>
> "( note: don't use a variac on a switcher supply! )"
>
> Why not? We do it all the time, for checking what the low and high
voltage
>cut-off point of a switcher is. We also vary the frequency all over the
>place. I don't know switchers in general, but ours suddenly start
switching
>as the voltage hits 90V on the up-test, and about the same on the
down-test.
>
> It may not be *useful* do to so for testing the device, but it won't
cause
>any damage in any of the number of supplies we've tested.
>
> --John
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On
>Behalf Of Dwight K. Elvey
>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 18:16
>To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>Subject: RE: Altair-what do I do first
>
>[ snip]
>
>( note: don't use a variac on a switcher supply! )
>Later
>Dwight
>
>
>
>
My condolences, Fred... Hopefully, through his contributions to the
computing community, he may have terminated, but his memory will stay
resident.
Will J
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I recently found what looked like a solid block of aluminium recently but on closer inspection it turned out to be a 64k x 18 core memory made by Quadri Corporation. It's part number is 1-0805-0015-02. It measures 1 1/2" x 6' x 9" and all the case parts are machined out of solid aluminium and it fits together so well that the joints are barely visible. It's very obviously military. It looks like it could survive WW III! I did some searching for Quadri and found that they used to be a manufacturer of high reliability core memory systems used in military aircraft, helicopters, tanks and other vehicles but they have been bought out by a company by the name of Agro-Tech and no longer exist. Does anyone know anything about the Quadri core memories or know anything about Quadri?
Joe
While looking through the pile of stuff I got with the PDP-8/E, I found a
tray of papertapes from 'ECRM, INC'. The tapes are labeled as follows:
5365 Board (Video Store) Diag (c) 1976 ECRM, Inc
5000 Series Panel Switches Diag (c) 1975 ECRM, Inc
BTCON 5000 (c) 1974 ECRM,
Inc
Beehive Terminal Diagnostic (c) 1975 ECRM,
Inc
ECRM Keyboard Diagnostic (c) 1976 ECRM, Inc
Dictionary Generator Program SW9122(G) (c) 1974 ECRM,Inc
AutoPrep 1 PaceSetter (c) 1974 ECRM,
Inc
Dictionary Generator Program SW9122(F) (c) 1974 ECRM, Inc.
5342 Board (Stok Search) Diag. (c) 1976 ECRM, Inc
5018 Board (Interrupt Mask) Diag (c) 1976 ECRM, Inc
5005 Board Serial Punch Diag (c) 1976 ECRM,
Inc
The use of some of these is obvious from the label, others are not. I am
assuming that the PDP-8/E was connected to something made by ECRM, but I
have no idea what. I do have one ECRM board, which is the 5005 Serial
Punch/Reader controller.
Does anyone know who ECRM is/was, and what kind of machine/system these
tapes might have been used with?
>WAP hacking is the new frontier. It's just too damn easy.
That makes it ideal for today's script kiddies... er um... sorry,
"hackers"... I wouldn't want to have one of those 13 year olds throw a
temper tantrum because I didn't use his prefered term.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Hello, all:
While flipping through PC Magazine this morning, I noticed the
following quote on page 26 of the 10/15/02 issue:
"You might expect highly technical security advice from Kevin
Mitnick, whose alleged 1982 hack into NORAD inspired the movie War Games."
This is the first time I've seen this reference. Is this true?
Rich
>2) What are the differences between the 4000VLC and the 4000-500? Are there
>likely to be some serious gotchas in there?
The VLC (as you know) is small, uses one low profile SCSI disk internally,
has an external SCSI connector, supports a max of 24MB or memory
and weighs in at 6 VUPs or so. There is no real expansion
available.
A VAX 4000-500 is bigger (coffee table size), usually comes with DSSI drives
(although it can use SCSI with the right additional h/w) can have many disks,
supports more memory (512MB max - 32MB min!) and runs at 24VUPs on
a bad day (more if it is really a -700A or 705A). DSSI is available for
storage and the box has a Q-bus.
Whether any of this matters or not depends on what the VAX is supposed
to do. If they wanted an OpenVMS compute engine, almost any cheap
Alpha would eat both of the above for breakfast, so I assume that there
is either a software constraint (e.g. VAX-only 3rd party s/w) or a hardware one
(must use this Q-bus interface card).
Antonio
Does anyone here have access to one the model 723 floppy drive testers with the analog/alignment attachment (option R)? If so can you send me the pin out of the I/O cable for analog attachment? I think there's only six or eight leads on it?
Joe
>From: "Peter C. Wallace" <pcw(a)mesanet.com>
>
>On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Patrick Rigney wrote:
>
>> > Better still, if you are testing the cards one at a time with an
external
>> > supply, tack on a 5V (set to 5.5 or so) crowbar on the output side of
the
>> > local 5V regulator -- no cut traces, only tacking on 2 wires
>> > temporarily...
>> >
>> > Peter Wallace
>>
>> Peter, yeah, this seems like an easy approach. Question: could a simple
>> 6.2V Zener be installed reverse-biased from the 5V regulator output to
>> ground? Seems like you'd want inline fuses between the unregulated
supply
>> and the backplace as well for this kind of test...
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>
> You would have to have a monster zener to be safe, probably 50 W or
>so. Those arent that common. A crowbar circuit stolen from another supply
or a
>home made one would be better than a zener.
>
> Instead of a crowbar (that usually use SCRs), You could also use a
>5.6v or so shunt regulator made with a big (20A) power transistor and a 5V
>10W zener...
>
>Peter Wallace
>
>
Hi
I think you are all a little paranoid. Regulators rarely
fail in storage. If it is blown, it most likely blew while
the power was on and any damage has already long since been done.
That being said, there is a failure that can happen in
storage that is related to the regulation. Many regulators,
especially the TO-3 types need the screw holding them to
the board to have a vary good connection. If this is
bad, the voltage will go unregulated and it will over
voltage. You should remove and check under these screws
to look for corrosion and clean the surfaces. I recommend
a star washer between the PCB and nut/washer. This should
be checked on any electronics that has been stored.
Often this is a good point to restore some fresh
heatsink compound as well. The old dry stuff is less
effective.
The most common failure is the old electrolytics and
the tantalums. I've seen flames from a blown tantalum.
If you connect a voltmeter to the output leads of any
regulators and watch the voltage as you bring the line up
with a variac ( adjustable auto-transformer ), you should
be able to catch any over voltage before it does any harm.
( note: don't use a variac on a switcher supply! )
Later
Dwight
> Dunno whether this is on-topic or not, apologies if not. Someone at
> my institute needs access to a VAX 4000-500 or similar series machine for a
> proposal for some project work. I intend to loan my Vax 4000 VLC to them,
> but:
>
> 1) Does anyone near San Antonio Texs, have a qualifying machine that they'd
> like to unload permanently, hopefully at a reasonably good price?
I have a VAX 4000-500 I'm looking to sell, but I'm in Plano,
Texas (northern suburb of Dallas).
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
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Hi,
I recently accquired a really, really random assortment of RSTS manuals,
>from V06B up to like V9.6 or so, and I'm attempting to make sense of what
portions of docsets I have parts of.. If anyone has extra manuals, that'd
rock, but I also could really use copies/scans/etc. of the documentation
directories, since the only one I have is for V7.1 haha
Will J
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I picked up an ordinary Fujitso KB at a thrift shop that had an adapter on the
end of the cable. It's a small plug and the only markings on it were the
common I/O arrows on the business end. One side is the regular F 5-pin Din
but the male side is about halfway between a regular din and a PS/2 sub.
It is in a 6-pin configuration but the pins are much thinner than usual. It only
has 4 pins which would square with the 5v, grnd, clock, data requirements
but it could have a pin(s) broken off since they're fragile and protrude from the
shell about 3/8". Clockwise the 1 and 3 are missing. There's no center lock.
Anyone have any idea of what this might be for ?
Lawrence
lgwalker(a)mts.net
bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com
Hi
Chris Groessler and I have been working with the
CPM-8000 images that we found on the unofficial
CPM page, along with manuals and such found elsewhere.
Last night, I was able to get the CPM-8000 prompt
and execute both commands that I tried ( DIR and USER ).
There are still some minor issues but things should be
moving right along ( why can't programmers realize
that initializing variables is an important part of any
program? ).
I want to give thanks to Hans, without the hardware
manual he scanned, I wouldn't have been able to figure
out the address decoder PROM in my Olivetti M20 and
find out how to bring my machine up to 256K of RAM
( needed by CPM-8000 ).
We still have some work to do ( building up the
disk with all of the files ) but it looks like a
down hill trip from here.
Later
Dwight
All good advice so far -- but one caution I forgot.
My experience is that the CMOS chips from this period are THE MOST STATIC
SENSITIVE chips that there are.
It is much easier to damage these whith inappropriate handling than any
modern stuff.
Use paranoid static handling precautions.
Since I usually work on these machines on those cold (dry) winter days when
static forms easily,
I also use a humidifier in the room where I work.
-Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On
Behalf Of J.C. Wren
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 8:08 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Altair-what do I do first
A less painful way may be to lift the output pin of the regulator
>from its
via. Or (and this is evil, but works, and is can be better than losing all
your unsocketted chips), cut the trace after output of the regulator. You
can always use a piece of foil tape or wire to effect a repair. This may
detract from the ultimate value of the board, but you're far less likely to
wreck it than removing irreplacable socketted chips.
--John
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On
Behalf Of Tony Duell
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 20:24
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Altair-what do I do first
>
> Good move -- don't plug it in yet.
_Neve_ plug in a classic computer without checking it first!
[Good advice on electrolytic caps deleted]
> In any case, detach everything from the power supply and check it out
first.
> Unfortunately, Altairs have no connectors for this, so you will have to
> desolder the wires.
> Some suggest powering it up slowly on a variable transformer, but I have
not
> tried that.
>
> After checking out the power supply voltages, unplug all of the cards and
The amin problem with S100 systems is that the PSU lines on the bus are
unregulated. The voltage regulators are on each card. And this means that
a defective regulator _on a card_ will wipe out all the chips on that
card, and may even put high voltages onto the bus lines and damage other
cards.
Therefore, do as suggested and get the unregulated PSU working first.
Then take the cards (one at a time) and remove all socketed ICs. Make a
diagram first, of course if you don't have the schematics/layout diagrams
for that card. You'd better hope that the expensive/rare ICs (CPU, ROMs,
RAM, LSI I/O chips) are socketed.
Then put the (essentially bare) card in the backplane and check the
outputs of the regulators on that card. Repeat for all the cards you
have. Put the ICs back into a card before starting on the next one
(unless you are a lot better organised than me!)
Then, and only then do you put populated cards into the backplane and
start testing logic functions.
-tony
All,
Dunno whether this is on-topic or not, apologies if not. Someone at
my institute needs access to a VAX 4000-500 or similar series machine for a
proposal for some project work. I intend to loan my Vax 4000 VLC to them,
but:
1) Does anyone near San Antonio Texs, have a qualifying machine that they'd
like to unload permanently, hopefully at a reasonably good price?
2) What are the differences between the 4000VLC and the 4000-500? Are there
likely to be some serious gotchas in there?
- Mark
LOL! Well, my parents apparently are willing to agree there's nothing called
too many computers, so long as they are put away nicely, not filling the
garage, spread through the house, etc.. Heh..
Will J
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> From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com>
> First off, Glen, is it an 820 or an 820-II? Since you have been in to
> it, you should recall whether there is a daughter card that plugs in
> vertically in the right rear quadrant of the motherboard. If it is
> there, you have an 820-II.
Cool! It's an 820-II.
> Make sure that the heads are clean and that the guide rails for the head
> assembly are clean and VERY LIGHTLY lubricated.
The drive is scheduled for a good cleaning this weekend ;>)
> There is a program named MFT45.COM (also MFT48.COM) that is capable of
> single drive copy. It is a little tedious because of disk jockeying,
> but it does do the job. MFT stands for Multiple File Transfer.
More cool -- I'll check the diskettes that came with it to see if this
program is present.
> > --> Some of the utilities on the boot diskettes (FMT, for example)
refer to
> > hard disk drives. What's involved in attaching a hard drive to this
> > system?
>
> If an 820, it is not a particularly reasonable thing to try. If an
> 820-II, easy if you can find the Xerox add ons. Rather more difficult
> otherwise.
Would you happen to know the model number of the Xerox external HDD unit?
> > --> The flimsy "User Manual" which I have states that the RS232 port
may be
> > configured to attach to a terminal or to a modem. How?
>
> Probably switching the port from DTE to DCE pinout.
Sure, but I'm reluctant to make any internal changes w/o docs.
As always, thanks, Don!
Glen
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Unfortunately I (somehow) missed the start of this thread, but I figured I
might as well jump in.
I don't even know for sure who asked the original question, but I hope
this gets to whoever is interested.
First of all, you need to set kermit to transfer binary files in order to
transfer tasks (I figure it handles this if you allow it to
automatically decide the mode as well).
Second, kermit-11 can send attribute packets, which tranfers RMS
information, along with the file.
Third, KERMIT-11 is somewhat buggy. I wrote a patch or two to remedy the
most obvious errors (which crashed KERMIT-11 if attribute packets were
sent).
However, I got tired of this whole thing, and wrote a program similar to
uuencode/uudecode for RSX, which preserves everything, while converting
to/from plain text files. I called it COD, and it's in MACRO-11. Not in
all respects a beautiful program (the source, that is), but it works very
nice, and it's free.
Using this, you just throw your file at COD, transfer the text
file, run it through COD, and you have your file back. It retains all
attributes, contigous state, and some other meta information as well (such
as file protection).
If anyone need it, it is free, available in source at
ftp://ftp.update.uu.se/pub/pdp11/rsx/tools/cod/
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
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On Tuesday 24 September 2002 09:26 pm, you wrote:
> Ron,
>
> You are seriously looking to potentially trade the machine?
>
> Erik
> www.vintage-computer.com
yes, seriously, my eyesight is not much good for soldering, or chip reading.
Everyone - Please remember this is not the altair you think of with the blinky
lights and switches, it does have a video out (some sort of terminal board)
and floppy drives. It has been sitting in a garage for some time, and it's
only an offer so far, not delivered.
Pictures of two parts of the nesting store from this
machine are now online at ..
http://members.lycos.co.uk/leeedavison/kdf9/index.html
Enjoy.
Lee.
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It is with great pleasure that I announce that the fifth annual
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In conjunction with the CHM's sponsorship, VCF 5.0 will now be held at
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Mountain View, California. The dates of the event will remain October
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the Computer History Museum. This year's tours of the CHM's Visible
Storage exhibits will be more tightly integrated with the VCF. The
collaboration between the VCF and CHM will make for an exciting
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Admission to the event will be $10 per person per day for full access
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the Moffett Federal Airfield is a United States military installation,
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I was scrounging around last week and found a pair of HH 5 1/4" floppy drives that are marked "2.4" next to a disk symbol on the front. Just out of curiousity I picked them up and checked <http://marina.mfarris.com/floppy/Hitachi.html> and sure enough they're 2.4Mb floppy drives! I've never heard of these before. Does anyone know what the disk format is or where these are used? The drives are Hitachi model FD532EIU. The label on them says that they're made for IBM. They're in some sort of a plastic sled.
Joe
There's a AT&T/Pixel Machines model 964d 'video thing' down at university
salvage, and I was wondering if anyone had any information on them. It
appears to have been produced in 1989 by an offshoot of AT&T called "Pixel
Machines". Using google, the only result I can get that matches "Pixel
Machines" and 964 or 964d is a thesis of some sort, which doesn't have a
whole lot of useful information on the beast. As far as I can tell, it's
some sort of redering/raytracing 'thing', and from its outputs, it appears
like it might output NTSC video.
I'm not sure yet if I want to bother lugging it up here - it's about
2ft x 2ft x 1ft in size, and looks like it might weigh as much as a small
car.
Thanks for any information you guys can turn up,
-- Pat
does anyone know anything about these? does anyone have docs? i'd love to get
mine setup and working, but i can't seem to figure out details. like for
instance, there is a db25 on the back, and the robot doesn't show up as a scsi
id, are the robots on these things serial controlled?
docs would be best.
thanks all!!!
-brian
--
"Hope you don't have much traffic then... ya turn on any feature in a
crisco and you tax the hell outta the cpu..don't be so cruel to that
little 68030, he never did anything to hurt you. Really, he loves you
and just wants to shovel the bits around. meanie" Derrick D. Daugherty
> Georgia's a little far for me to go, but I sure wish MY wife was this
> understanding. She had a cow at the mere suggestion of bringing home a VAX
> the other day. She is under the impression I have too many old computers as
> it is. I say there is no such thing as too many old computers.
Your wife is probably correct. Consider your self lucky, my wife is
understanding. As a result, I'm the one that thinks I've got too many old
computers.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, collecting old computers is a
disease! DECitis is one of the more extreme and dangerous varients of this
disease. Developing DECitis can be especially dangerous if you already
suffer from Bibliomania.
If you think I'm joking, think again.
Zane
PS at least the disease isn't as distructive as some.
At 02:15 PM 9/20/02 -0600, Will J wrote:
>Those drives must be from an IBM control unit, such as a 3174, since I know
>the drives in it say "1.4M" next to them.
>
I assume that you mean 2.4M. I did some searching on the 3174 and option 1048 for them is a 2.4Mb drive so that looks like that's where they came from.
Later I checked the drives closer and I found a disk in the one that I hadn't looked at. It looks like a standard 5 1/4" floppy disk. It had a plain white label on it with no brand name. The lable says "DISKETTE TYPE 2.4MB 3174 CONTROL", "LICENSED INTERNAL CODE - PROPERTY OF IBM", "MACHINE 3174 P/N 25F8499 E/C A78831 ML90095 MICROCODE LVL B2.0" etc etc so it appears that it's definitely for a 3174.
Joe
On Sep 24, 14:24, Joe wrote:
> I'm still trying to find out where the 2.4Mb 5 1/4" floppy drives came
from.
> The sled has IBM PN 25F8398 on it. I've searched Google and IBM's site
for the number but didn't find anything. I found these drives in the same
pile with some IBM RS/6000 cards. Does anyone know if the RS/6000 uses
anything like this?
I'd never heard of a 5.25" 2.4MB floppy before this, but I know that some
models of the RS/6000 range and I believe also some PS/2 range had
so-called "2.88MB" 3.5" floppies. I have one here (the drive,that is, not
the RS/6000). They look just like ordinary 3.5" HD floppies except for the
extra media sensor. They can use normal DD or HD disks, or special ED
disks which have the media sensor hole in a different place to HD disks --
it's slightly further from the bottom edge, so if you put an ED disk in an
HD drive, it would be seen as DD. However, the coating is a special barium
ferrite rather than the normal cobalt ferrite, and for ED, the drive uses a
vertical recording technique developed by Toshiba instead of normal
longitudinal recording. If the disk in the drive you've found looks just
like a normal HD floppy, that's what it is -- not an Extra Density one.
Apart from IBMs they were also used in 3Com Netbuilder routers.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
> From: Merle K. Peirce <at258(a)osfn.org>
> The 820, is, I think, my favourite CP/M machine.
Mind if I ask why? So far I still prefer my Kaypro 10, but my mind is
always open ;>)
> They can be twitchy
> though, often stemming from dirty contacts on various cards.
I'll keep that in mind.
> I might have some Xerox manuals somewhere. They might be buried deep,
> though. Want me to look?
Only if it is convenient for you.
> WordStar runs very nicely on the 820. I used
> it for a number of years.
Fortunately, I have WS 3.3, dBase II, and Multiplan.
Anyway, thanks for the info.
Glen
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Search eBay for A2580-60001. I think that is the correct part number for a
64MB module which works for this system.
You can get a pair (128MB total) for $15 or less right now.
>From: "Peter C. Wallace" <pcw(a)mesanet.com>
>Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>Subject: Re: Slightly OT: HP 9000/C160
>Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:55:33 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Patrick Finnegan wrote:
>
> > I've managed to pick up a memory-less HP C110 that was upgraded to a
> > C160. Looking at Kingston's site, they want way too much for new memory
> > for it. Does anyone have extra memory, or a source for memory? I've
>also
> > got an HP Apollo 715/50 - is that memory compatible?
> >
> > Thanks for the help!
> >
> > -- Pat
> >
> >
>
>715 memory is not compatible with C110 memory. You should be able to find
>cheaper memory from one of the HP re-sellers. A friend of mine with a C110
>did
>that and I dont think he paid more than $50 or so for 256M... Another
>(perhaps cheaper) option is finding another C110...
>
>
>
>Peter Wallace
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> From: Dan Cohoe <dancohoe(a)oxford.net>
> I have a very complete set of docs and software that I received in the
last
> month for the Xerox 820.
> What do you need? Immediately, its probably easier for me to scan stuff
than
> to attempt to copy diskettes.
This is good news! Whatever you can provide (at your convenience, of
course) would be greatly appreciated. I'll be glad to pay for media,
postage, etc. -- please let me know.
Thanks,
Glen
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I have just been offered an altair computer, it's been sitting in the back of
a garage, unused for some time.
I don't want to just plug it in and power it up right away do I ?
Inspect -- what am I looking for?
Clean -- best method?
It is described as "not having switches or blinking lights", having floppy
disks, having been used for somthing to do with ham radio.
This is in advance of actually getting the computer,
Greetings to all --
About a year ago, Joe Rigdon very kindly gave me a number of old machines
(thanks, Joe!), among them a Xerox 820. At the time he gave it to me, the
unit didn't power up, but today I finally found the time to give it a
second look. After I reconnected a loose lead inside the box it came to
life! This is my only machine with 8" disk drives, so I'm interested in
finding a good use for it.
I could use some help from the list members, though. I found *no*
technical data via Google, and have *no* real docs for this beast. After
poking at the 820 for a bit, here's where I'm at:
--> The "B" drive is faulty. Disk initialization fails, and it will not
consistently read disks created on the "A" drive. Any pointers on
replacement drives? Even if a thorough cleaning revives this drive, I'd
like to obtain a spare.
--> Assuming I can't revive the "B" drive or find a replacement, how can I
duplicate diskettes? The CP/M utilities all seem to want two drives in
order to do their job.
--> Two of the boot diskettes which I have boot up a pretty normal looking
version of CP/M 2.2, with a normal "A>" prompt, but another diskette
displays the following upon boot:
"Good Day! ZCPR 2.04 SYSTEM READY"
and the prompt is "A0>" (obviously user group 0). What is this "ZCPR"?
--> Some of the utilities on the boot diskettes (FMT, for example) refer to
hard disk drives. What's involved in attaching a hard drive to this
system?
--> The flimsy "User Manual" which I have states that the RS232 port may be
configured to attach to a terminal or to a modem. How?
--> Lastly, does anyone have any documentation on this thing? If you can
part with it, I'd be glad to pay a fair price.
Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. Although this system
doesn't appear to be special or unique, it does seem to be a sort of nice,
friendly critter, and I'd like to put it into use.
Later --
Glen
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If I am not for myself, then who will be for me?
And if not now, when?
-- Pirkei Avot
An interesting early CPM computer, complete with monitor and fdds. AES is
Automatic Electronic Systems, a Montreal company that was founded by
Stephen Dorsey who then sold the company and went on to found Micom.
He put out a remarkable Word Processor/computer called the MICOM 2000
before the Apple got out of Woz's garage. AES must have mfrd. this after
Dorsey sold it. No date given but likely pre 80. Wish I could afford it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2056611909
Lawrence
lgwalker(a)mts.net
bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com
As seen on port-sparc at netbsd.org
Please note location...
Bob
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From: "Greg MATTHEWS" <G.Matthews(a)cs.ucl.ac.uk>
To: <port-sparc at netbsd.org>
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 6:00 AM
Subject: sun equipment free to any home!
> my department is about to send an awful lot of old sun stuff to landfill.
lots
> of monitors (not multi-sync) ipcs ipxs and classics. if you can collect
you
> can take away. i have cleared this provisionally with my line manager.
>
> no warrentee on anything, has to go asap.
>
> GREG
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
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> University College London
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>
I've managed to pick up a memory-less HP C110 that was upgraded to a
C160. Looking at Kingston's site, they want way too much for new memory
for it. Does anyone have extra memory, or a source for memory? I've also
got an HP Apollo 715/50 - is that memory compatible?
Thanks for the help!
-- Pat
To make this sort of on topic, I'm willing to
trade some classic hardware (various S-100, old
Tandy, old Mac, others...) for one.
NOTE: The watch does not have to be working, just
in good cosmetic condition.
Please email if interested.
Thanks,
Bill Sudbrink
wh.sudbrink(a)verizon.net
Hello, all:
I'm looking for the following book from the early Dr. Dobbs book
series. "SmallWindows - A Library of Windowing Functions for the C Language"
written by James E. Hendrix. The original publisher is M&T Books.
If anyone has this and wouldn't mind parting with it, please contact
me off list. Thanks.
Rich Cini
I've found a programming manual for this English Electric
machine. With luck I will eventually get it OCRed and
posted somewhere but if anyone has any questions it may
answer meanwhile feel free to ask.
Lee.
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>One more time. Anyone?! Would anyone please have an extra power plug they
could sell me for my generic S-100 computer? Somehow mine must have gotten
given away with other misc. cords. It's the kind with two sort of oval
female prong inputs on the computer end. Anyway, I'd be happy to furnish a
picture to anyone who needs to verify. I haven't had it up and running for a
couple of years now, and I would like to. Thank you, David
>
Hi
I have an Allied catalog that is a couple of years
old. They call these SVT cords. They have several
listed:
manuf Manuf# Allied# Length Price
Alpha 543 663-7082 7'6" 4.62
Belden 17952 612-3569 8' 5.38
Belden 17280 612-3677 7'6" 4.84
Hope this helps
Dwight
Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> wrote ..
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Voyager wrote:
>
> > I am working on an essay, and I need statistics and figures from the
> 80's on
> > sales, value, models, types of computers sold. Any number would be
> > appreciated. I need to cover not only the PC market, but the home computer
> > market too.
> >
> > Looking for numbers like like, how many Ti99/4A were sold, per year if
> > possible and at what price, how many Compaq portables, how many Spectrums,
> > QLs, IBM PC/XT, PC/XT clones, etc
>
> Sorry, I can only offer you luck in your search for these kinds of
> statistics. I would love to have them myself.
>
> If you find any, please report them back here ;)
>
Byte Magazine and Infoworld both used to publish figures like this nearly every month or week, respectively, as I recall.
Don't remember what their sources were. You're not the only one who'd be interested, though.
The figure I always heard for total sales of the 4A was 2-3, maybe 4 million. Not sure how accurate that is, as TI had to eat a bunch of returns when they pulled the plug, but it's probably in the ballpark. There are still piles of them around, anyway.
jbdigriz
I have a Televideo 912C and a General DataComm Gen Net Terminal Server. I
want to make these two machines talk to each other. I think it would be
really cool to be able to display a Trek game or something. But I have a
couple of problems. First of all, I'm mostly a PC guy. I don't know
anything about these machines. Secondly, I don't even think the ports on the
back of the Gen Net are RS-232C. If they are, there's a protocol problem or
something, because what gets echoed back isn't what I type. (I type several
characters before one is echoed, and the echoed character is usually an
odd-looking non-character.)
I don't know the password on the server, and I don't know how to operate its
control keyboard. Here's something else weird--you have to actually remove
the front cover to turn it on and off!
Here are some pictures of these machines http://mywebpages.comcast
net/fastluck1/Televideo.htm. Check out the terminal--it looks really cool.
Can anyone give me information on operating these machines, or point me in
the right direction?
Thanks in advance,
John
> Hi
> Well, it looks like I was right after all. The part numbers
> I posted were correct. I could use a couple of these cords
> myself. I have a few but not as many as I have things to use it
> on and some cords are in poor shape. I'm not sure If Allied
> has a minimum order ( but I think they do ) but I'd be willing
> go in with someone else on a purchase of at least 3 of these
> cords. Their on line is listed as www.allied.avnet.com.
> I haven't checked it out yet but if there is some interest
> it might be worth it. The shipping will be high compared to
> the cost of the cords but that is life.
> Dwight
> Repost of numbers:
> manuf Manuf# Allied# Length Price
> Alpha 543 663-7082 7'6" 4.62
> Belden 17952 612-3569 8' 5.38 < non-standard line/neutral
> Belden 17280 612-3677 7'6" 4.84
I could use 3 of these power cords. They are just
what I need for my Electronic Associates TR-20, TR-10
and the ATC-510 flight simulator.
I found the Alpha 663-7082 in their catalog on page 385.
$4.85 each for 1-24. $4.41 each for 25-up.
http://www.alliedelec.com/catalog/pf.asp?FN=385.pdf
They say "There is a $25.00 minimum on all on-line orders."
"Orders that total less than $25.00 may be subject to a
handling fee. The amount of the handling fee will be the
difference between $25.00 and the total amount of the order."
"The shipping cost on any order will be determined at the
time of shipment. All shipments are F.O.B Fort Worth, Texas.
Shipping method, in most cases, is the customer?s choice."
Regards,
--Doug
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@ home in Poulsbo, WA
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calcolatore analogico, analoogrekenaar,
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kampiutere ghiyasi, analoge computer.
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At 04:52 PM 9/20/02 -0500, you wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Dan Veeneman wrote:
>
>> As a follow-up to the DG Nova 3/12 rescue, I've taken a bunch
>> of photos of the system and added what commentary I could.
>> You can see the whole thing at
>> http://www.decodesystems.com/dg-nova3/
>
>The Analog Devices MPX8A is a multiplexer of some sort. I think the
>databook you need is the Analog Devices Module Subsystems Volume 1. I have
>Volume 2, but it does not cover that device.
I have volume 2 of the 1984 databook but it contains a complete index and PN reference and there's no mention of either part in it.
Joe
>From: Tothwolf <tothwolf(a)concentric.net>
>
>On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Dwight K. Elvey wrote:
>
>> An interesting side note about the Belden cords that I found in a web
>> search:
>>
>> " The Eberline Instruments using the non-standard AC cord are listed on
>> page two of this bulletin. Belden power cord model #17280 has standard
>> polarity per UL 817 and CSA 895B and should NOT be used on the Eberline
>> instruments listed. Belden model #17952 has polarity, neutral and lines
>> reversed and is the only cord to be used on the Eberline Instruments
>> listed. The non-standard cords come from the manufacturer with a paper
>> label stating that they have reversed polarity but the labels are
>> susceptible to damage and are easily lost. "
>
>I have one of those non-standard cords in a box of parts for my JC80
>system. It appears Johnson Controls used those cords for that system. I'd
>like to find a couple more of those cords (I'm short one, and could use a
>spare) if anyone comes across any.
>
>-Toth
>
>
Hi
Well, it looks like I was right after all. The part numbers
I posted were correct. I could use a couple of these cords
myself. I have a few but not as many as I have things to use it
on and some cords are in poor shape. I'm not sure If Allied
has a minimum order ( but I think they do ) but I'd be willing
go in with someone else on a purchase of at least 3 of these
cords. Their on line is listed as www.allied.avnet.com.
I haven't checked it out yet but if there is some interest
it might be worth it. The shipping will be high compared to
the cost of the cords but that is life.
Dwight
Repost of numbers:
manuf Manuf# Allied# Length Price
Alpha 543 663-7082 7'6" 4.62
Belden 17952 612-3569 8' 5.38 < non-standard line/neutral
Belden 17280 612-3677 7'6" 4.84
Picked up a Gateway 15" digital flat panel display at auction on Thursday
and need the video cable and ac adapter for it. Gateway was no help both
online and I went to one of their local stores (they do not carry parts).
During a google search I did find these part numbers cable = 8003275 and
adapter = 6500322. no luck on ebay either. Anyone have clue? Thanks
Ouch! Good luck. I wonder how rare one of those are. I've heard of them
(I think), but I'm pretty sure I've never seen one for sale. Depending on
how badly you need the data, you might want to consider looking for a
professional data recovery service that might have a drive (unless you're
lucky and someone on the list can do it for you).
Zane
> DEC RV20 optical disk drive... is what you are looking for...
>
>
>
> Brian Hechinger wrote:
>
> > and does anyone know where i could get one? i need to get data off of an
> > RV02K pak, but lack the drive.
Is it normal for a Variac to hum when it's plugged in?
If not, any ideas why one would do so?
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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>Yup, made with a diamond stylus. The machine that made them (as well as a
>radio) is still in the home too. The friend that passed away built it into
>the wall with a custom cabinet. The family won't remove it because it
>would leave a hole in a paneled wall, and they don't want to replace the
>paneling.
I would offer to repanel that wall for them (even the entire room to make
sure it matched) if it meant laying my hands on one of those.
Is the family selling the house? If so, stay in close contact, and even
talk to the realitor and see if you can arrange something with the buyer
to take custody of the machine.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert F. Schaefer
Sent: Fri 9/20/2002 7:27 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Cc:
Subject: Fw: units available
Found on spamnet news, wish I was a few hours closer!
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw(a)novagate.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:24 PM
Subject: units available
What are you asking for the MV3100 and do you ship?
Thanks
John Willis
> Anyone interested in the following pieces of equipment please contact
me
off
> list. Doing some house cleaning here and need to move a couple of
things.
> They are located in West Michigan near Grand Rapids.
>
> MV3100-30 with 32MB memory
> can throw in drive or 2
>
> Decservers - 200's and 300's with MMJ connectors
> 90L & 90l+
> Decserver 250 with LP ports
> VT 320's
>
> I really dont want to throw them away - I can remember how much this
stuf
> cost new !! :)
>
> please contact me at hvanderw at mansply dot com
>
>
>
Found on spamnet news, wish I was a few hours closer!
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw(a)novagate.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:24 PM
Subject: units available
> Anyone interested in the following pieces of equipment please contact me
off
> list. Doing some house cleaning here and need to move a couple of things.
> They are located in West Michigan near Grand Rapids.
>
> MV3100-30 with 32MB memory
> can throw in drive or 2
>
> Decservers - 200's and 300's with MMJ connectors
> 90L & 90l+
> Decserver 250 with LP ports
> VT 320's
>
> I really dont want to throw them away - I can remember how much this stuf
> cost new !! :)
>
> please contact me at hvanderw at mansply dot com
>
>
>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keys" <jrkeys(a)concentric.net>
To: "cctech@classiccmp" <cctech(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 6:14 PM
Subject: Flat Panel Display
> Picked up a Gateway 15" digital flat panel display at auction on Thursday
> and need the video cable and ac adapter for it. Gateway was no help both
> online and I went to one of their local stores (they do not carry parts).
> During a google search I did find these part numbers cable = 8003275 and
> adapter = 6500322. no luck on ebay either. Anyone have clue? Thanks
>
Those drives must be from an IBM control unit, such as a 3174, since I know
the drives in it say "1.4M" next to them.
Will J
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I finally got serious about my Commodore LT and did some major Googling
thru the NGs. Following some hints I found, I got what I think is the pinout
for the 8pin mini-din power plug on the Zeos site. Sanyo appears to be the
mfgr. Anyone on the list have one of these beasts ? 3 of the pins take 15v
and I'd like to find the amperage requirements.
Lawrence
lgwalker(a)mts.net
bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com