- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

Sorry, three messages of the same :-(

by spedraja＠ono.com

Sorry, a mistake sending the message three times :-( Sergio

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Conseil request about some systems I can obtain

by spedraja＠ono.com

Hello. Is possible (ONLY possible by now) that I could obtain these equipment: * 1 Serie/1 (little size serie) * 1 IBM RT (with BSC connection to...) * 1 IBM S/370 4361 with a couple of disks of 25 kilos, one 3279 console and one 3174 terminals controller * 1 PDP system (used for instrumentation controlling, unknown model yet) * 1 CP/M S-100 system (unknown model yet) * Software and Documentation All items are stopped from two years ago. Some of them are stored in a great general store of the company who wants get rid of them. With independence of the conservation state of all the stuff. What preventions must I have about the management of these computers ? My panic comes about a possible damage of the items in the moment of start up them. I should agree any comments. Thanks and Greetings. Sergio

23 years, 7 months

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History Channel - The Internet: Behind the Web

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

> Yeah, even my wife enjoyed it! Sadly, we don't get it in Europe... *sigh* Anyone got a taped copy? > So, the IMPs they built would be the first network interface, > right? The precurser to the present-day NIC. Well, no.. IMP's connected a local(-ish) network to the remote (-ish) network, usually over a slow(-ish ;-) WAN link like a 56K switched circuit. You could see them as the first series of protocol-converting gateways, though. Werent they built by BBN, and based on PDP-11(/23's) with the Fuzzball software load image? --f

23 years, 7 months

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IN STYLE... THE SEX TRACKER! (fwd)

by foo＠siconic.com

Damn it! I'm getting spammed at this address. This is the third in about as many days. Did anyone else receive the above entitled spam? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 7 months

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It pays to clean up...

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

In cleaning out some closets (moving my collection to storage in order to prepare a condo for sale), I came across a bunch of things I had forgotten I had... A couple of RK05 drives An RK02 (diablo) drive backplane and front panel for 11/34 a couple of BA11-M boxes a couple of BA11-VA boxes my original spacewar control boxes (wired up to a DR11-C) which we used on a GT42 at WPI back in 1978 some MM11-DP core memory a battery backup unit (I think it said H755 or H775) a large cache of blank DEC 8" floppies, in the blue DEC floppy boxes. a couple of boxes of dual-high foundation cards for wiring your own devices, at least one specific unibus foundation module. and I can't remember all the rest... wheee... Megan

23 years, 8 months

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SunOS 4.1.4 Domestic Kit

by alex＠trdlnk.com

Hi! I'm new to this list and I was referred here by a gentleman from sunmanagers. I have been looking for a few software packages for some time now and most of these I was able to find from people on sunmanagers. However there are three pieces of software that I still haven't been able to find, perhaps somebody can help? SunOS 4.1.4 Domestic Kit, this is the encryption addon for SunOS 4.1.4. I already have the install media, so I only need the addon. SunPC 4.2, I have a SunPC card for my SPARC 5 running Solaris 2.6, but I have been looking high and low for the drivers... Can't seem to find them anywhere. FastEthernet 1.0, I have a BigMac (be) based SBus card for my SunOS 4.1.4 box and these drivers seem to be hard to find also. With the software CD there are drivers for SunOS 4.x and I am looking for these. If any of you have, or know somebody who has, any or all of these titles, I'd very much appreciate hearing from you. Sun doesn't feel like helping me out and I can understand that; It's just a little frustrating to have an _almost_ complete setup... =) Anyway, thanks to everybody on beforehand and I just wanted to say that what I've seen on this list so far, I think I'll enjoy it! =) -Alex

23 years, 8 months

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Morrow DiskJockey 2B

by classiccmp＠vintage-computer.com

I just received a Morrow DiskJockey 2D Mod B from Jim's Garage Sale (Thanks Jim!) and I had a couple of quick questions: There are two sets of switches on the board. What do those configure and what are the settings? There is a 2708 on the board labeled BV/2. Is this a disk BIOS or a boot loader? I'm hoping to use this in my Altair to drive a pair of 801s I've got in a Lobo chasis. (My next questions will revolve around how do I get CP/M to run, etc.) I've ordered a manual from Herb Johnson but I figured I'd ask the experts for a quicker answer. Thanks in advance! Erik S. Klein

23 years, 8 months

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My awesome find!!!

by djg＠drs-esg.com

>Hey all, >Yesterday I obtained a Documation card reader, 600cpm, for the total cost >of... *drumroll* $20! Anyone have docs? > It may not be useful but I have the Documation M200 card reader manual at http://www.pdp8.net/pdp8cgi/query_docs/view.pl?id=168 David Gesswein http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Run an old computer with blinkenlights.

23 years, 8 months

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decnet

by dittman＠dittman.net

> > I have a copy of Meridian's SuperLAT for Win9x/NT. They dropped > > the product and are no longer supporting or developing it. Too > > bad; it was helpful to have LAT to access LAT-based terminal > > servers. It doesn't seem to work with Win2K/XP. > Dunno about the legality of this, but: I do have Pathworks32 > which should work.. Which version? The version I have (V7.2) doesn't work with XP. The LAT driver doesn't work with Win2K, IIRC. > Personally, I use Reflection/X for terminal stuff, as it supports > both the serial ports and network connections, including LAT and > X11.. :) I use Reflection for X, too, and the LAT driver didn't work in Win2K. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

23 years, 8 months

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decnet

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

Eric, (and others) > I have a copy of Meridian's SuperLAT for Win9x/NT. They dropped > the product and are no longer supporting or developing it. Too > bad; it was helpful to have LAT to access LAT-based terminal > servers. It doesn't seem to work with Win2K/XP. Dunno about the legality of this, but: I do have Pathworks32 which should work.. Personally, I use Reflection/X for terminal stuff, as it supports both the serial ports and network connections, including LAT and X11.. :) --f

23 years, 8 months

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Favorite terminal

by dittman＠dittman.net

> > The LT320 is a third-party plasma terminal. There are MMJ and > > DB25 serial connectors, and LK201/401-compatible and AT-compatible > > keyboard connectors. I use an LK401 with mine. > > Jerome Fine replies: > > I presume the LK201 and the LK401 are plug compatible? Yes. > Also, what are the actual differences and why do you prefer > the LK401? I prefer the LK401 as it has the legs to raise the back built- in, and I have a couple of LK401 keyboards, and my LK201 died a while back. I'm sure there are pictures of the two on the web somewhere, but I'm not sure where. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

23 years, 8 months

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Sun Sparc ID

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> I can get matching monitors, but don't think there is a keyboard/mouse > available. I was wondering if you can power them up > w/o keyboard/mouse, just box and monitor to verify basic operation, > whether dead or alive. You should be able to just plug a Terminal into the serial port. Zane

23 years, 8 months

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decnet

by dittman＠dittman.net

> > I'm not sure what the legal issues are about Lat, though... I think > > it is owned (or is it only marketed) by Meridian, ltd. > I believe Meridian only marketed (and sublicensed) LAT from DEC, with > DEC being its owner. DEC did most of its internal LAT code development, > and Meridian did most of the 'external' versions, e.g. the stuff in > PC-LAT, Cisco IOS's LAT code, and probably most others, given the > cost of licensing it... twas cheaper to let them do it than to get > your own license and do it... :) I have a copy of Meridian's SuperLAT for Win9x/NT. They dropped the product and are no longer supporting or developing it. Too bad; it was helpful to have LAT to access LAT-based terminal servers. It doesn't seem to work with Win2K/XP. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

23 years, 8 months

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decnet

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

>I believe Meridian only marketed (and sublicensed) LAT from DEC, with >DEC being its owner. DEC did most of its internal LAT code development, >and Meridian did most of the 'external' versions, e.g. the stuff in >PC-LAT, Cisco IOS's LAT code, and probably most others, given the >cost of licensing it... twas cheaper to let them do it than to get >your own license and do it... :) Makes sense... we still maintain the lat source for Tru64 unix... I actually had a track bug through there a few years ago... Megan

23 years, 8 months

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Semiconductor Cross Ref Help

by NAVIGATE87＠aol.com

Rich, Check the website www.aecsales.com, They have the exact parts you need by the original manufacturer. When at the parts search page be sure to check the box for "restrict search to items with exact prefix". They have been very helpful finding obsolete parts for me. Don

23 years, 8 months

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your RL02 problems

by uban＠ubanproductions.com

Tom Uban 308 Jefferson Street Valparaiso, IN 46383 At 04:03 PM 9/23/2002 -0500, you wrote: >On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Tom Uban wrote: > > > Pat, > > > > How is your RL02 effort going? Are you done with my terminator yet? > >I haven't had much time to play with it lately. I'm pretty sure that it's >either a bad controller or drive. I'll try to get your terminator sent >back to you in the next couple days - could you send me your address again >so I don't have to go looking for it? > >Thanks. > >-- Pat

23 years, 8 months

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Park heads when moving Kaypro 10?

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

I seem to remember that self-parking heads generally were not available on the 10MB drives of Kaypro 10 vintage, so I did a little Googling and came up with the following (http://www.atarimagazines.com/creative/v9n12/8_The_Kaypro_10_more_than_.php ) from CREATIVE COMPUTING VOL. 9, NO. 12 / DECEMBER 1983: "A very important command is included in the Kaypro 10 system software. SAFETY moves the read/write heads on the hard disk to the safe landing zone on the disk. This must be done before turning the power off or the surface of the hard disk may be damaged. The SAFETY command is invoked from the command mode in CP/M." Bob -----Original Message----- From: Don Maslin [mailto:donm@cts.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:37 PM To: classiccmp Subject: Re: Park heads when moving Kaypro 10? On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Glen Goodwin wrote: > Hi -- > > Thanks to Don Maslin I'll soon have a set of reload diskettes for my Kaypro > 10, and I plan to bring it from home to my shop to do the reload. > > Is there a "park" or "ship" command I need to run before transporting the > unit, so as not to damage the hard drive? IIRC, it is built into the operating system and when the HD LED goes out, the heads have been parked. - don > TIA -- > > Glen > 0/0

23 years, 8 months

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decnet

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

Megan wrote: [pay attention folks, I actually got the addressing right this time *grin*] > I'm not sure what the legal issues are about Lat, though... I think > it is owned (or is it only marketed) by Meridian, ltd. I believe Meridian only marketed (and sublicensed) LAT from DEC, with DEC being its owner. DEC did most of its internal LAT code development, and Meridian did most of the 'external' versions, e.g. the stuff in PC-LAT, Cisco IOS's LAT code, and probably most others, given the cost of licensing it... twas cheaper to let them do it than to get your own license and do it... :) (this from memory and various readings on the Net) --f

23 years, 8 months

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PDP-8/L troubleshooting (was Re: New acquisition, and question)

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

Okay, I've seen a picture of a PDP-8/L and the switches are correct. But someone went and replaced the front panel on it so it is dark lettering on a white background, with no company logo... Darn... Megan

23 years, 8 months

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New acquisition, and question

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

>It could be what's referred to as a MARS (Memory Address and Register >Status) panel. The only one of those I've ever seen was at our PDP8 FS >lab in Parker Street. It's a full-height rack panel (same height as the >8/E) with several rows of lights for PC/AC/MQ/etc. The front panel consists of the following EA MA INST o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o MB F E D WC CA B o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o Link AC Ion Par Prot Run o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o POWER | paddle switches SWITCH - - - - - The boards hang from the backplane (which is really grimey... can someone suggest how to clean it?) and are reachable from under the chassis: Front panel end ============================ M220 M220 M113 M111 M220 M220 M700 M700 M220 M220 M216 M115 M220 M220 M114 M310 M220 M220 M216 M310 M220 M220 M111 M310 M617 M617 M216 M310 M617 M617 M115 M160 M160 M160 M119 ---- M115 M216 M117 ---- M160 M111 M115 M113 M160 M113 M117 M111 M115 M119 M113 M310 ---- ---- M113 M310 fan ---- ---- ---- M216 side ---- ---- M360 M617 G020 G020 G221 G221 G020 G020 G221 G221 G020 G020 memory W025 W025 memory W025 W025 memory G228 G228 G221 G221 ---- G228 G221 G221 G624 G624 G228 G228 G624 G624 M102 ---- G624 G624 M623 M623 G785 G785 M115 M623 ---- ---- M660 M906 ---- ---- M660 M906 ---- ---- M707 M707 M516 ---- M706 M706 M516 ---- M452 20ma console connecter ---- ---- ---- ---- M111 ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ============================ fuses, power cord Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: gentry at zk3.dec.com (work) | | Unix Support Engineering Group | mbg at world.std.com (home) | | Hewlett Packard | (s/ at /@/) | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

23 years, 8 months

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decnet

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

Unfortunately, I never had access to DECnet/Ultrix... that was done in a different group. I don't think it was ever updated for later versions of Ultrix. It may still just run, though. I think the last version of it was V4.2. I'm not sure what the legal issues are about Lat, though... I think it is owned (or is it only marketed) by Meridian, ltd. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: gentry at zk3.dec.com (work) | | Unix Support Engineering Group | mbg at world.std.com (home) | | Hewlett Packard | (s/ at /@/) | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

23 years, 8 months

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Software for Orion Unilab II??

by jd＠sourcecode.co.za

FYI: I have a lot of docs on Z-80 and some of the related hardware like the real-time-clock-thingy. I haven't searched the net to see if these are already readily availible or not. If they aren't availible on the 'net or incomplete I will gladly scan mine in if someone is interested. -----Original Message----- From: Rich Beaudry [mailto:r_beaudry@hotmail.com] Sent: 10 October 2002 04:41 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Software for Orion Unilab II?? Hello all, As part of a recent eBay win, I acquired an Orion Instruments Unilab II. I have cables/software for the Rockwell 65/11EAB, and am looking for cables/software for any other processor, especially the 1802, Z-80, 8080, 8088. If anyone has software available, and cabling diagrams, please let me know! I have complete docs available, as well as the software for the 65/11EAB... I'd also be willing to write out a cable diagram for the 65/11EAB. Thanks! Rich B. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

23 years, 8 months

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decnet

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

*sigh* OK, sorry folks.. I'll give it up for t'nite and get some sleep, that might keep me from misdirecting even more email... (if anyone happens to HAVE the stuff mentioned, pse contact me off-list..) --fred (*bonk*bonk*bonk*)

23 years, 8 months

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decnet

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

Megan, Yay, all the VAXen are now upstairs.. took a while, too :) I was playing with the DECserver 200.. works nicely, I have three "terminals" connected to it; a VT420 as "console", my Compaq AP400 workstation, and the serial port of the DEC VXT2000. The other ports are connected to the console ports of all the VAX and PDP11 machines... works like a charm. Also, I am able to open a DECterm LAT session to the services defined above (the console ports are all listed as LAT services). Question: do you have access to DECnet-for-Ultrix, or whatever provided Ultrix systems with LAT support? Cant find it, and it MUST be around somewhere, right? cheers, Fred

23 years, 8 months

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New acquisition, and question

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

>Well, the PDP8/e has 2 rows of lights (Address, Data) on the panel too... >Or is that not what you meant. I'm familiar with the 8/E, I have one (and a LAB-8/E, too). This has more rows of lights than an 8/E,F,M. I don't have it in front of me, but I'm sure it had like 4 rows of lights (like an 8/I,L) and no rotary switch. >What boards are in it (M-numbers, etc)? That would help identify it, I >think. Of course... that would be simple... <grin> That is my next step... Megan

23 years, 8 months

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New acquisition, and question

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

Just today I got ahold of: A front panel (just the silk-screened plastic) for a pdp-8/m A front panel (silk-screened plastic) for a pdp-12 a pdp-8/e backplane an asr-33 a pdp-8 of some sort in a 10.5" chassis. The reason I'm not sure which one it is is because the silk-screened front panel had been removed and replaced with a white-colored panel by an organization from which the prior owner had obtained the machine. It has the paddle-type switches like I've seen on pdp-8/e,f,m, but the address/data lights like on a pdp-8/i,l. Any thoughts, anyone? Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: gentry at zk3.dec.com (work) | | Unix Support Engineering Group | mbg at world.std.com (home) | | Hewlett Packard | (s/ at /@/) | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

23 years, 8 months

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My awesome find!!!

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Hey all, Yesterday I obtained a Documation card reader, 600cpm, for the total cost of... *drumroll* $20! Anyone have docs? WOOOHOOO! Will J _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

23 years, 8 months

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Park heads when moving Kaypro 10?

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi There really isn't much danger if the machine isn't moved. The heads are really quite smooth and landing doesn't cause any significant issues. The problem happens because the back edge of the head is very sharp. If the surface back rotates, just a tiny amount, this back edge will dig into the surface. Some of the early drives had an issue because of motor cogging. This would cause the disk to back rotate a little on stopping. The early fix for this was to put a one way brake on the spindles. Dwight >From: "Glen Goodwin" <acme_ent(a)bellsouth.net> > >Thanks, Bob. I've been using this system off and on for a couple of years, >and it never occurred to me that I had to park the heads before each >power-down. Apparently there hasn't been any damage as a result, but I'll >start doing it . . . > >Glen >0/0 > >> From: Feldman, Robert <Robert_Feldman(a)jdedwards.com> >> To: 'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org' >> Subject: RE: Park heads when moving Kaypro 10? >> Date: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:33 PM >> >> I seem to remember that self-parking heads generally were not available >on >> the 10MB drives of Kaypro 10 vintage, so I did a little Googling and came >up >> with the following >> >(http://www.atarimagazines.com/creative/v9n12/8_The_Kaypro_10_more_than_.php > >> ) from CREATIVE COMPUTING VOL. 9, NO. 12 / DECEMBER 1983: >> >> "A very important command is included in the Kaypro 10 system software. >> SAFETY moves the read/write heads on the hard disk to the safe landing >zone >> on the disk. This must be done before turning the power off or the >surface >> of the hard disk may be damaged. The SAFETY command is invoked from the >> command mode in CP/M." >> >> Bob >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Don Maslin [mailto:donm@cts.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:37 PM >> To: classiccmp >> Subject: Re: Park heads when moving Kaypro 10? >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Glen Goodwin wrote: >> >> > Hi -- >> > >> > Thanks to Don Maslin I'll soon have a set of reload diskettes for my >> Kaypro >> > 10, and I plan to bring it from home to my shop to do the reload. >> > >> > Is there a "park" or "ship" command I need to run before transporting >the >> > unit, so as not to damage the hard drive? >> >> IIRC, it is built into the operating system and when the HD LED goes >> out, the heads have been parked. >> - don >> >> > TIA -- >> > >> > Glen >> > 0/0 >

23 years, 8 months

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Park heads when moving Kaypro 10?

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

Thanks, Bob. I've been using this system off and on for a couple of years, and it never occurred to me that I had to park the heads before each power-down. Apparently there hasn't been any damage as a result, but I'll start doing it . . . Glen 0/0 > From: Feldman, Robert <Robert_Feldman(a)jdedwards.com> > To: 'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org' > Subject: RE: Park heads when moving Kaypro 10? > Date: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:33 PM > > I seem to remember that self-parking heads generally were not available on > the 10MB drives of Kaypro 10 vintage, so I did a little Googling and came up > with the following > (http://www.atarimagazines.com/creative/v9n12/8_The_Kaypro_10_more_than_.php > ) from CREATIVE COMPUTING VOL. 9, NO. 12 / DECEMBER 1983: > > "A very important command is included in the Kaypro 10 system software. > SAFETY moves the read/write heads on the hard disk to the safe landing zone > on the disk. This must be done before turning the power off or the surface > of the hard disk may be damaged. The SAFETY command is invoked from the > command mode in CP/M." > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Maslin [mailto:donm@cts.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:37 PM > To: classiccmp > Subject: Re: Park heads when moving Kaypro 10? > > > > > On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Glen Goodwin wrote: > > > Hi -- > > > > Thanks to Don Maslin I'll soon have a set of reload diskettes for my > Kaypro > > 10, and I plan to bring it from home to my shop to do the reload. > > > > Is there a "park" or "ship" command I need to run before transporting the > > unit, so as not to damage the hard drive? > > IIRC, it is built into the operating system and when the HD LED goes > out, the heads have been parked. > - don > > > TIA -- > > > > Glen > > 0/0

23 years, 8 months

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Request from Intel's Museum

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Ross Archer" <dogbert(a)mindless.com> > >Jerome H. Fine wrote: > >>>Jim Kearney wrote: >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>I just had an email exchange with someone at Intel's Museum >>>(http://www.intel.com/intel/intelis/museum/index.htm) >>> >>> >> >>Jerome Fine replies: >> >>I am not sure why the information is so blatant in its >>stupid attempt to ignore anything but Intel hardware >>as far a anything that even look like a CPU chip, but >>I guess it is an "Intel" museum. >> >>Of course, even now, Intel, in my opinion, is so far >>behind from a technical point of view that is is a sad >>comment just to read about the products that were >>way behind, and still are, the excellence of other >>products. No question that if the Pentium 4 had been >>produced 10 years ago, it would have been a major >>accomplishment. >> >Harsh! :) > >Guess it depends on what you mean by "far behind from a >technical point of view." > >If you mean that x86 is an ugly legacy architecture, with >not nearly enough registers, an instruction set which >doesn't fit any reasonable pipeline, that's ugly to decode >and not particularly orthogonal, that from purely technical >reasons ought to have died a timely death in 1990, >I'd have to agree. > >However, look at the performance. P4 is up near the >top of the tree with the best RISC CPUs, which have >the advantage of clean design and careful evolution. > >It surely takes a great deal of inspiration, creativity, >and engineering talent to take something as ill-suited >as the x86 architecture and get this kind of performance >out of it. IMHO. > >In other words, making x86 fast must be a lot like >getting Dumbo off the air. That ought to count as >some kind of technical achievement. :) ---snip--- It is all done with smoke and mirrors. We do the same here at AMD. The trick is to trade immediate execution for known execution. The x86 code is translated to run on a normal RISC engine. This means that the same tricks on a normal RISC engine would most likely only buy about a couple percent. It would only show up on the initial load of the local cache. Once that is done, there is really little difference. Choices of pipeline depth, out of order execution, multiple execution engines and such are just the fine tuning. Intel, like us is just closer to the fine edge of what the silicon process can do than anything tricky that people like MIPS don't know about. On a separate subject, I was very disappointed in the Intel Museum. I'd thought it might be a good place to research early software or early IC's. They have vary little to offer to someone looking into this level of stuff. Any local library has better references on this kind of stuff ( and that isn't saying much ). Dwight

23 years, 8 months

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What video monitor for SOL-20?

by bennyb＠ntplx.net

I've just acquired an old Processor Technology SOL-20, and wonder if anyone can advise on what video monitors are compatible with it (how about an old IBM monochrome monitor - hercules compatible?), and what the video connector on the back is (huge 1/2" dia. coax connector) - are the mating connectors still available? Second, I'm planning to use my PC sound card to record/playback in lieu of a tape recorder (more reliable, less hassle), and wonder if anyone has done the same with any success? Thanks, Ben

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HP 9915A (industrial version of HP 85A)

by gil＠vauxelectronics.com

Hi folks: I am new to the classiccmp list. I am an EE, and collect teletype machines and HP test gear. My first computer was an RCA VIP 1802-based board. My second was an Apple II. I got to play with some bigger stuff when I worked at Cray Research a decade ago. But I digress. I have also been collecting HP 85 computer stuff (85A, 85B, 3"/5"/8" drives, roms, cards...), and I just got a 9915A, which is the industrial version of the HP 85A (cpu-only in a half-rack box). This 9915A does not have the tape drive (option 001), but has the operator interface card (opt 002), which provides connectors for keyboard (DB-25F), control (DB-15F), and video (BNC). The problem is, I have no keyboard, monitor, or documentation of any sort for the 9915. I have most of the useful 85 docs (short of the service manual), but nothing on the 9915. Judging from the number of pcb connections to the keyboard connector, I'd guess it uses a special parallel keyboard. I found reference to a 98155A keyboard in a post about a 9915B (85B-compatible), and I presume that is the same keyboard used with the A version. I hooked the video up to the composite input of a tv, and saw text and graphics when I ran the self-test from the front-panel buttons of the 9915. The image seemed wider than the screen, and I'm not sure if is just my tv adjustment, or if the video signal is not quite ntsc composite. As for the control connector, I have no idea what that might be used for. There is also a little board inside that has eight sockets, four of which are populated with 2732 eproms. I am wondering whether this is part of the cpu system, or if it is for embedded program storage like the programmable rom card for the 85. I presume that I can hook up a disk with an hp-ib card (and rom), so it should be usable once I find a keyboard and appropriate monitor. Anyone have any docs/info/tidbits/keyboard...? thanks, gil smith ;----------------------------------------------------------- ; vaux electronics, inc. 480-354-5556 ; http://www.vauxelectronics.com (fax: 480-354-5558) ;-----------------------------------------------------------

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HP 9915A (industrial version of HP 85A)

by roosmcd＠dds.nl

> > I also have a HP 9915A in my possesion. Useless without keyboard and I also > >have only documentation for the HP-85. > > Maybe I should back up. You do know that the 9915 will read HP-85 tapes > and run the HP-85 programs don't you? The HP-85 is inteneded to be the > developement system for the 9915. Yes, but I also don't have a HP-85 and when I had a HP-85 I could run programs on that instead of the 9915 :). But it's not really an important matter; I just would like to use the 9915 sometime. > > This sounds like they are absolute unobtainium today? I'd better start > looking > >for a HP-85, only they seem to want quite some money when I see them on > >eBay :). > > Are you kidding? I've seen plenty of them go cheap. But you should really > look for a lot better machine like the 87XM. They have a lot more memory and > have a number of ROMs built-in. Take a look at <http://www.ebbsoft.com>. It > has some comparisions of the various models. Unobtainium was related to the development kit for eproms. As for HP-85's, I'm located in Europe and haven't seen them much around here. Last one I remember was on eBay.de and it went for quite some money (over EUR 100,-?), but I haven't really looked that hard. I know there's a friend looking for a cheap one for couple of years and I don't think he has already found one. But I got offered one by e-mail, so maybe I'll have one soon :). There's also an industrial surplus site that sometimes has them, but the last time I when they had one, it was already reserved for someone else. They did have some other nice industrial computers. greetings, Michiel

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latest HP haul

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Here's what came in my last acquisition of HP gear that I started to unpack today.... (2) HP 2113E cpu's in impeccably mint condition. They look refurbed (no dust at all). The have been tested and run diags perfectly. Each one has 512KW, DCPC, M.E.M., Mem Protect, and 2102E memory controllers One has loader roms: 264x terminal, 7970 magtape {YES!}, 79xx Disc, CS80 disc The other has loader roms: 264x terminal, 7970 magtape, 79xx Disc, and 7905/06/20/25 disc Here's the cards between the two... (2) 13037 disc subsystem interfaces (2) TBG (2) BACI 12966A (2) Line Printer 26099A (2) BUS I/O (5) GRD TRU IN/OUT and..... a 5060-6282 prototyping board! Other items in the racks... 13037D disc subsystem controller (this one is MINT!) 13037B disc subsystem controller 12979B I/O expansion chassis & PS (2) 7906D disc drives (both appear to be in extremely clean condition) (2) standard cream colored HP racks Much fun! Jay West

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Foo, Bar, Bletch...

by vaxman＠earthlink.net

Anybody here know Steve Harris? Claims to have designed the first Commodore disk drive (1541?)

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[maybe OT]: Removing pesky floppy disk labels

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

> Anyone want to share their secret? a piece of dry ice? My father used it to freeze the adhesive for the linoleum floor in our kitchen, and the old squares came right up... maybe it will work better than the cold from the air can... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: gentry at zk3.dec.com (work) | | Unix Support Engineering Group | mbg at world.std.com (home) | | Hewlett Packard | (s/ at /@/) | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Software for Orion Unilab II??

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, As part of a recent eBay win, I acquired an Orion Instruments Unilab II. I have cables/software for the Rockwell 65/11EAB, and am looking for cables/software for any other processor, especially the 1802, Z-80, 8080, 8088. If anyone has software available, and cabling diagrams, please let me know! I have complete docs available, as well as the software for the 65/11EAB... I'd also be willing to write out a cable diagram for the 65/11EAB. Thanks! Rich B. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Request from Intel's Museum

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Ross Archer" <archer(a)topnow.com> > >"Dwight K. Elvey" wrote: >> >> >From: "Ross Archer" <dogbert(a)mindless.com> >> > >> >Jerome H. Fine wrote: >> > >> >>>Jim Kearney wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>I just had an email exchange with someone at Intel's Museum >> >>>(http://www.intel.com/intel/intelis/museum/index.htm) >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >>Jerome Fine replies: >> >> >> >>I am not sure why the information is so blatant in its >> >>stupid attempt to ignore anything but Intel hardware >> >>as far a anything that even look like a CPU chip, but >> >>I guess it is an "Intel" museum. >> >> >> >>Of course, even now, Intel, in my opinion, is so far >> >>behind from a technical point of view that is is a sad >> >>comment just to read about the products that were >> >>way behind, and still are, the excellence of other >> >>products. No question that if the Pentium 4 had been >> >>produced 10 years ago, it would have been a major >> >>accomplishment. >> >> >> >Harsh! :) >> > >> >Guess it depends on what you mean by "far behind from a >> >technical point of view." >> > >> >If you mean that x86 is an ugly legacy architecture, with >> >not nearly enough registers, an instruction set which >> >doesn't fit any reasonable pipeline, that's ugly to decode >> >and not particularly orthogonal, that from purely technical >> >reasons ought to have died a timely death in 1990, >> >I'd have to agree. >> > >> >However, look at the performance. P4 is up near the >> >top of the tree with the best RISC CPUs, which have >> >the advantage of clean design and careful evolution. >> > >> >It surely takes a great deal of inspiration, creativity, >> >and engineering talent to take something as ill-suited >> >as the x86 architecture and get this kind of performance >> >out of it. IMHO. >> > >> >In other words, making x86 fast must be a lot like >> >getting Dumbo off the air. That ought to count as >> >some kind of technical achievement. :) >> >> ---snip--- >> >> It is all done with smoke and mirrors. > >Anything the results in a net faster CPU isn't, in my book, >akin to smoke and mirrors. > >If anyone's guilty of "smoke and mirrors", it's probably >Intel by making a ridiculous long (20-24 stage) pipeline >just to allow the wayupcrankinzee of clock rates so they can >be first CPU to X Ghz. Why not a 50 stage pipeline that hits >8 Ghz, nevermind the hideous branch-misprediction penalties >and exception overhead? > > >> We do the same >> here at AMD. The trick is to trade immediate execution >> for known execution. The x86 code is translated to run >> on a normal RISC engine. > >Yes, and this in and of itself must be rather tricky, no? >X86 instructions are variable-length, far from load/store, >have gobs of complexity in protected nonflat mode, etc. >I'd bet a significant portion of the Athlon or P4 is devoted >just to figuring out how to >translate/align/schedule/dispatch >such a mess with a RISC core under the hood. :) It doesn't take as much as one would think but it is a hit on speed and space. Still, the overall hit is really quite small. > >> This means that the same tricks >> on a normal RISC engine would most likely only buy about >> a couple percent. It would only show up on the initial >> load of the local cache. Once that is done, there is >> really little difference. >> Choices of pipeline depth, out of order execution, multiple >> execution engines and such are just the fine tuning. >> Intel, like us is just closer to the fine edge of what >> the silicon process can do than anything tricky that >> people like MIPS don't know about. > >Well, why isn't something elegant like Alpha, HP-PA, or MIPS >at the top of the performance tree then? (Or are they and >I'm >just not aware of the latest new products.) > >My pet theory is that the higher code density of x86 >vs. mainline RISC helps utilize the memory subsystem >more efficiently, or at least overtaxes it less often. >The decoding for RISC is a lot simpler, but >if the caching systems can't completely compensate for the >higher >memory bandwidth requirements, you're stalling more often or >limiting >the maximum internal CPU speed indirectly due to the >mismatch. >And decoding on-chip can go much faster than any sort of >external >memory these days. This is why the newer processor chips are really a memory chip with some processor attached, rather than a processor with some memory attached. We and Intel are turning into RAM makers. Memory bandwidth is on the increase but it isn't keeping up with chip speed. Still, I don't understand why many are not going to more efficient memory optimization than apparent execution speed. The compiler writers have a ways to go. The day is gone when pinhole optimization buys much. Keeping the process in on chip cache is really the important thing. There isn't an application out there that if one removed the large data array and image bit tables, couldn't completely fit in the caches that are being used today. The compilers just don't write code well enough to keep the size down. It is just that we've gotten into the poor choice of languages and poor connection of software writers to the actual machine code that is run. Just my opinion. Dwight > >This isn't really a discussion for classiccmp, but I >couldn't >resist since I'm sure at least some folks enjoy >speculationalism >on such topics. :) > > >> >> On a separate subject, I was very disappointed in the >> Intel Museum. I'd thought it might be a good place to >> research early software or early IC's. They have vary >> little to offer to someone looking into this level of >> stuff. Any local library has better references on this >> kind of stuff ( and that isn't saying much ). >> Dwight > >n >

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Request from Intel's Museum

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com> wrote: > Still, I don't understand why many are not going to more > efficient memory optimization than apparent execution speed. > The compiler writers have a ways to go. The day is gone > when pinhole optimization buys much. Keeping the process > in on chip cache is really the important thing. As someone who writes code that goes through compilers, the reason why I don't think too hard about the on-chip cache is because I have no idea about the size or architecture of that on-chip cache. Well, I have some idea, and that's that I can't count on it. OK, so the products I work on are sold as portable C source that is expected to build and run on a bunch of different processors, some of which don't have any cache but may be clocked slow enough for SRAM to keep up. I may not be the programmer you have in mind. So, let's take instead the case of someone writing code to run on Win32. Reading the side of a box for something newish like that, we could narrow it a bit further, to Win98, WinME, and Win2000 (hmm, maybe that's why this thing was in the closeouts pile, no WinXP). That could be running on anything made in the last four years, and what have x86 processor manufacturers done with on-chip caches in that time? Overall I suspect it's an upward trend but I'm thinking there were some local downturns for things like the early Celerons to keep them from competing too effectively with Pentium IIs, but as mentioned above I haven't really been paying attention. I am thinking that the programmer will probably not know even if he does want to think about writing code to fit in on-chip cache, and he's the compiler vendor's customer. How is the compiler vendor supposed to have any idea what the eventual target's on-chip cache will be like? -Frank McConnell

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Park heads when moving Kaypro 10?

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

Hi -- Thanks to Don Maslin I'll soon have a set of reload diskettes for my Kaypro 10, and I plan to bring it from home to my shop to do the reload. Is there a "park" or "ship" command I need to run before transporting the unit, so as not to damage the hard drive? TIA -- Glen 0/0 If I am not for myself, then who will be for me? And if not now, when? -- Pirkei Avot

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specs for Dysam 224/2A alignment disks?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 9, 8:57, Joe wrote: > Does anyone know the specs for these disks? Where the cat's eye pattern is located? How many sectors and tracks they have, etc etc? They don't have sectors and tracks in the usual sense. Track 16 (on a 48tpi drive; track 32 on a 96tpi drive) has a cat's-eyes pattern. Track 01 or track 34 (02 or 68 on 96tpi) has an index burst pattern (a burst of signal which is 200 microseconds after the index hole, assuming the speed is correct). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Free HP 9920 in Arnhem, The Netherlands.

by hofmanwb＠worldonline.nl

Hi all, I would like to get rid of the following HP stuff: 2 ea HP 9920 but one powersupply is defective.Each has a number of memory modules. 2 ea 98203a keyboard 2 ea 98622a GPIO interface 2 ea 98204a video interface 2 ea 98626a rs232c interface 1 82913a monitor 2 ea 9021D dual HPIB floppy unit 2 ea 82906a HPIB printer NO software what so ever. The stuff is located in Arnhem, The Netherlands and not very light. Wim

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[maybe OT]: Removing pesky floppy disk labels

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Philip Pemberton" <philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com> > >Hi all, > OK, so here I am sitting at my computer with a stack of 100 or so disks >to reformat. Unfortunately most of said disks have been labelled using >felt-tip pen. And the labels are the nasty kind that don't come off without >a fight. Sooo... Has anyone got a method that will get these stupid things >off without leaving a gummy, sticky residue or damaging my disks? I've tried >WD40 (didn't work at all), 3-in-1 oil (don't ask), an upside down airblaster >(freeze spray for half the price) and a few other things and nothing works! > Anyone want to share their secret? GooGone Dwight

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[maybe OT]: Removing pesky floppy disk labels

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 9, 21:00, Philip Pemberton wrote: > Hi all, > OK, so here I am sitting at my computer with a stack of 100 or so disks > to reformat. Unfortunately most of said disks have been labelled using > felt-tip pen. And the labels are the nasty kind that don't come off without > a fight. Sooo... Has anyone got a method that will get these stupid things > off without leaving a gummy, sticky residue or damaging my disks? I've tried > WD40 (didn't work at all), 3-in-1 oil (don't ask), an upside down airblaster > (freeze spray for half the price) and a few other things and nothing works! > Anyone want to share their secret? Since you're in the UK, I'd suggest one of the aerosol label removers that CPC sell. They're quite effective. What I use, though, is white spirit (as used for cleaning brushes used for oil paint) or sub turps. Several drops on the label (make sure it covers the whole thing) and leave it for an hour or two, then it will probably peel off *slowly*. I've even used this to remove thirty-year old labels >from the covers of ex-library books, but for really stubborn labels like that, usually I put on enough to make the label look slighly wet, cover it with a piece of kitchen paper soaked in white spirit (to prevent it all evaporating too quickly) and leave it for 24 hours. Any residue can be removed with kitchen paper or a rag moistened in white spirit, then followed with a dry paper to remove the rest. If it was on something absorbent (like a book cover) let it dry thoroughly for a day or two after that. If the label mostly comes off, but leaves a thin layer of paper, you can probably scrape that off with a fingernail and remove the rest of the goo with sellotape and perseverance. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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[maybe OT]: Removing pesky floppy disk labels

by cb＠mythtech.net

> OK, so here I am sitting at my computer with a stack of 100 or so disks >to reformat. Unfortunately most of said disks have been labelled using >felt-tip pen. And the labels are the nasty kind that don't come off without >a fight. Sooo... Has anyone got a method that will get these stupid things >off without leaving a gummy, sticky residue or damaging my disks? I've tried >WD40 (didn't work at all), 3-in-1 oil (don't ask), an upside down airblaster >(freeze spray for half the price) and a few other things and nothing works! > Anyone want to share their secret? I use a two step method. #1 Avon Skin-So-Soft to remove the label. The oils in it will loosen the glue so you can remove the label without much effort. However, it leaves the glue itself behind, so in a few days when the skin so soft completely dries up, you will be left with a stack of floppies that stick to everything. So I do step #2: While the glue is loose, I use rubbing alcohol to remove the glue residue. Do this AFTER buffing off the excess skin so soft. Once you give it a scrub down with alcohol, the active glue will be removed, leaving you with a nice fresh (and ever so pleasent smelling) floppy disk. Or, if you plan to put a new label on right away, you can skip step #2, and just buff off the excess skin so soft, and apply a new label (however, I have had some problems with that in the past... the skin so soft gets into the plastic, and shortly after you apply the new label, you find it is falling off... that is why I do the two step process, and then leave them for a few days to fully dry). Although I have not had an issue with this... I would be cautious about getting the skin-so-soft onto the actual disk media... it just doesn't strike me as being that good for it (fortunatly, it isn't a very tough thing to control because it does have the consistance of WD40 or light weight machine oil, so it flows, but not so fast that you can't control it). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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10 years

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Would anyone object to adding an official 'cool factor clause' to the > 10-year rule? We already sorta have that now, where a newer computer (e.g. > mid-90s SGI MIPS) has sufficient cool factor that we're ok with it. All we > need is a concept of negative cool factor, so that some computers (e.g. > Packard Bell PC) might never be on-topic. > > In reality, this isn't any more ambiguous than what we already have. The > other option would be to develop some sort of unit for classicity and set a > threshold above which a machine is on-topic. > > Jeffrey Sharp I for one obviously don't have a problem with having an official 'cool factor clause'. After all, then my DEC PWS 433au running OpenVMS would be ontopic, as would systems such as BeBox's and the like. I think as a whole, systems that aren't x86 based, or Mac's that are less than 10 years old have been considered to have suffecient 'coolness factor'. Besides, about all that seems to cover is UNIX workstations, and OpenVMS systems. Also, I think 'custom built' x86 systems that have been specifically built to emulate older hardware, such as a PDP-10 are almost ontopic. Zane

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manual(s) for Fluke 9010 Troubleshooter 8080 and 8085 pods?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Does anyone have manuals for these two pods? I have both of them and they've suddenly gone bad and fail self-test. Both where previously tested good and were properly stored and never used. But last week I pulled one out to use it and the self-test showed it bad before it was even connected to the UUT. Today the same thing happened with another pod! I was using them on a 9010 mainframe that I got recently and I wonder if it somehow damaged them. I can't think of any other explaination. I did verify that they are bad using another mainframe. Does anyone have any ideas? Anyone have manuals for these? joe

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specs for Dysam 224/2A alignment disks?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Does anyone know the specs for these disks? Where the cat's eye pattern is located? How many sectors and tracks they have, etc etc? Joe

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HP 9915A (industrial version of HP 85A)

by roosmcd＠dds.nl

Hello, I also have a HP 9915A in my possesion. Useless without keyboard and I also have only documentation for the HP-85. > >There is also a little board inside that has eight sockets, four of which > >are populated with 2732 eproms. I am wondering whether this is part of > the > >cpu system, or if it is for embedded program storage like the programmable > >rom card for the 85. > > The later. There were software developement kits available that let you > write programs in assembler and burn them into EPROMs that plugged into a > HP-85 type plug-in cartridges (called a Hybrid ROM or something like that) or > directly into the 9915. The EPROMs that are in it are probably Matrix and/or > I/O ROM IIRC. That seems to be standard in the 9915s that I'm aware of. This sounds like they are absolute unobtainium today? I'd better start looking for a HP-85, only they seem to want quite some money when I see them on eBay :). > FYI The 9915 doesn't use the HP-85 custom hybrid processor but uses an > Intel CPU instead! However it does use the HP-85 keyboard processor but only > for the timers that it contains. Are you sure? I must take a look at my machine then.. What kind of processor is in there? > >I presume that I can hook up a disk with an hp-ib card (and rom), so it > >should be usable once I find a keyboard and appropriate monitor. > > Correct. With the keyboard and monitor it should act exactly like a HP-85 > (except your's doesn't have the tape drive). But it's a lot easier to find a > HP 85, 86 or 87. I've always assumed you can't hook up a disk since there is are no disk routines in ROM? greetings, Michiel

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Interpro 125

by roosmcd＠dds.nl

Hello, Some time ago I got a couple of Intergraph Clipper machines. The 2000's are running great now (I even bought extra memory of eBay :), but I'm still having some troubles with my Interpro 125. When I got it, it was without a hard drive. So I put in a scsi drive and tried to restore the OS with the boot floppies. There is a set of 5 floppies and a program in the ROM that asks for DISK 1 trhough 5 for restoring CLIX. This program runs fine, however about halfway (sometimes I got up to disk 4) a 'screensaver' (the sliding intergraph) kicks in and I'm back to the boot-up screen. I've tried turning off the screensaver in the prom, but it still happens :(. Does anyone have an idea what to do or the cause of what is happening? I've tried tapping keys and moving the mouse, but this doesn't seem to help.. greetings, Michiel

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Speaking of SOLs...

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

Did anyone bid on that recent epay lot of two SOLs that was canceled? Was any reason given? Did somebody on the list get them via other means?

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Questions about a HP Apollo 735/125

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

At 01:00 AM 10/9/02 -0400, you wrote: >It's not useful with any of the HP9000 700-series, as it's not HP-HIL >either. I already gave away all my spare HIL keyboards and mice, but I can >keep an eye out for more. Please do! I have a apollo series 700 and could use a KB and mouse, especially if you happen to come across one cheap :)

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Did a listmember get this "PDP-11/44" (really a *loaded* PDP-8/a)

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

I was perusing alt.sys.pdp11 via deja.com recently, and ran across a posting offering a "PDP-11/44" for sale... http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&start=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.s… I'm sure that message will hit a line break, so be sure to reconnect it when you cut-and-paste. To make it easy of folks, let me quote the contents... "The system has the following cards in it M8300, M8310, M8316, 3 x M8319, M8320, M8330,M8357, M8416, 2 x M8417, M8433." ... plus an RL02, RX02, 18 RL01Ks, boxes of floppies, docs, etc... The astute reader will quickly notice that those are *not* PDP-11 handle numbers. It's a PDP-8/a with KK8E processor, KT8A, DKC8-AA, RL8A, RK8E, KL8A and a wad of RAM. Even better, it was in Columbus, about four miles from my farm. The bad news is that I learned about it three weeks too late. It did not get scrapped; it sold. I'm curious if any of us got it, and if someone here did, if they could make images of the RL01s and floppies available. Wish I could have gotten it, but the hardware is nothing I don't already have, so hopefully it went to a good home. -ethan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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Fwd: Re: What video monitor for SOL-20?

by frustum＠pacbell.net

Duh, memory fades ... PL259! >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >From: Jim Battle <frustum(a)pacbell.net> >Subject: Re: What video monitor for SOL-20? > >At 02:23 PM 10/8/02 -0400, Ben Bridgwater wrote: >>I've just acquired an old Processor Technology SOL-20, and wonder if >>anyone can advise on what video monitors are compatible with it (how >>about an old IBM monochrome monitor - hercules compatible?), and what the >>video connector on the back is (huge 1/2" dia. coax connector) - are the >>mating connectors still available? >> >>Second, I'm planning to use my PC sound card to record/playback in lieu >>of a tape recorder (more reliable, less hassle), and wonder if anyone has >>done the same with any success? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Ben > >It should hook up to any monitor that you might find in north america, BW >preferrably. The only weirdness is the PL59 connector, so you may have to >build a PL59 to BNC or what-have-you cable to connect it to your >monitor. I picked up a 9" B&W security monitor for $10 at a swap meet and >it has worked just fine. > >Here's where I get to plug my web site: > http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/sol.html > >You may want to seek out the section on repairing the keyboard. ----- Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net

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Ohio Scientific's Rescued...need help/info!

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 10/7/2002 9:10:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bbrown(a)harper.cc.il.us writes: << Last night I rescued two Ohio Scientific systems: A challenger C1P and A Challenger II (which was a MUCH bigger box, and had a matching big, heavy dual 8" floppy cabinet). The haul also included an ADM-3A terminal (always wanted one of these), and a dual 5 1/4" floppy cabinet (don't know which system this goes to). I got no documentation, no software or anything (these were all picked up from a curb-side garbage pile!!)! I've always admired the ohio scientific systems...and almost bought a C1P back in the late 70's (it was a toss up between a C1P and a trs-80). Any pointers to documentation, software, specifications, etc?? >> I have 5 C1P models including a plastic case one. I have schematics and shiny advertisements that must have came with the system. Interesting machines although I have not tested mine yet. The 4 I got last year have all sorts of switches and knobs on them. I think they were modded for extra video capabilities.

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OSI disk basic disk

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

>> Does anyone have an image of the OSI Disk BASIC disk? > Did they actually have anything called "Disk BASIC"? When > I used OSI systems, they had two operating systems, OS-65/D > and OS-65/U (not sure of the punctuation in those). There was advertised, at least in the UK, a disk expansion (OSI 610) that included 12k disk BASIC on disk. From what I remember if you got the fully populated expansion (24k) and had the full complement of RAM on the CPU (8k) you had 19000 and something bytes free after loading the disk BASIC. > OS-65/D was what was normally found on smaller systems. > It was a pathetic excuse for an operating system. Now I've gone to the trouble of building the hardware I'd like to try some original software on it. Lee. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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Help needed with reading Altos 3068 disks

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Well as for the OS, all I can say is it is a UNIX System V variant... I wish I had manuals, etc. *sigh* _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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SCSI drive available

by jwest＠imail.kwcorp.com

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Help needed with reading Altos 3068 disks

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Processor? 68020 @ 20MHz Memory? Mine has 8MB, apparently Disk capacity? Not sure, mine has a 340MB ESDI drive though Disk format parameters even? Don't know, have no manuals.. my dad bought the machine for me at an auction for a whole 5 bucks... It was marked as a "UPS" heh. Oh it appears to use a modified VME bus possibly.. not sure.. The FDD itself is a Panasonic JU-475-2, and the tape drive is a Tandberg TDC 3820 (525MB QIC-type) Will J _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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New Toy... Fujitsu Stylistic 1000

by rhudson＠cnonline.net

Is it too new to be on subject? It's got a digitizer screen, but I got it without the pen. My stylus for my pilot doesn't seem to work, oh well I got it with a keyboard and mouse. currently running <ugh> windows 98 </ugh> : ^ )

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Help needed with MicroVAX 3400

by stefan＠softhome.net

Hi there, I have here a MicroVAX 3400 with Ultrix 4.5 on it. All seems to be running fine, except from the fact that I cant seem to get any action from the ethernet port. I myself think its dead but I thought I'd ask here before I'd give it totally up. The network card is detected but no lights go on, neither can I do anything on the network or does it show any connection on the hub. I can ping localhost and the ip address i gave it, thats how far it goes. If i want to ping anything else it says, network not reachable (or something like that). Anybody any ideas ?? yours, Stefan.

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VirtualPC for OS/2

by vance＠neurotica.com

Does anyone have experience with Connectix VirtualPC for OS/2? Peace... Sridhar

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10 years

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Well, as to not accepting x86-machines, then would that rule out NetFrames? Those things rock, running Netware SMP or Windows NT.. Fault-tolerant too... And though it isn't 10 yet, what about my Sequent? Would the fact it runs Pentium-66s disqualify it? I think I agree with Sellam, in that so long as it doesn't turn into a Windows support forum its OK... Would be good not to have basic PC questions either, unless they're for say 5150s or for the "sort-of-compatible" early clones.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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HP 9915A (industrial version of HP 85A)

by gil＠vauxelectronics.com

Hi folks: I am new to the classiccmp list. I am an EE, and collect teletype machines and HP test gear. My first computer was an RCA VIP 1802-based board. My second was an Apple II. I got to play with some bigger stuff when I worked at Cray Research a decade ago. But I digress. I have also been collecting HP 85 computer stuff (85A, 85B, 3"/5"/8" drives, roms, cards...), and I just got a 9915A, which is the industrial version of the HP 85A (cpu-only in a half-rack box). This 9915A does not have the tape drive (option 001), but has the operator interface card (opt 002), which provides connectors for keyboard (DB-25F), control (DB-15F), and video (BNC). The problem is, I have no keyboard, monitor, or documentation of any sort for the 9915. I have most of the useful 85 docs (short of the service manual), but nothing on the 9915. Judging from the number of pcb connections to the keyboard connector, I'd guess it uses a special parallel keyboard. I found reference to a 98155A keyboard in a post about a 9915B (85B-compatible), and I presume that is the same keyboard used with the A version. I hooked the video up to the composite input of a tv, and saw text and graphics when I ran the self-test from the front-panel buttons of the 9915. The image seemed wider than the screen, and I'm not sure if is just my tv adjustment, or if the video signal is not quite ntsc composite. As for the control connector, I have no idea what that might be used for. There is also a little board inside that has eight sockets, four of which are populated with 2732 eproms. I am wondering whether this is part of the cpu system, or if it is for embedded program storage like the programmable rom card for the 85. I presume that I can hook up a disk with an hp-ib card (and rom), so it should be usable once I find a keyboard and appropriate monitor. Anyone have any docs/info/tidbits/keyboard...? thanks, gil smith ;----------------------------------------------------------- ; vaux electronics, inc. 480-354-5556 ; http://www.vauxelectronics.com (fax: 480-354-5558) ;-----------------------------------------------------------

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HP 7980S scsi 9-track

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

Hey all, Does anyone have info on this beastie? I'm trying to convince it to be nice to me and lock itself to 1600bpi, but it doesn't wanna play... :( --fred -- InterNetworking, Network Security and Communications Consultants MicroWalt Corporation (Netherlands), Postbus 8, 1400 AA BUSSUM Phone +31 (35) 6980059 FAX +31 (35) 6980215 http://WWW.MicroWalt.NL/ Dit bericht en eventuele bijlagen is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Openbaarmaking, vermenigvuldiging, verspreiding aan derden is niet toegestaan. Er wordt geen verantwoordelijkheid genomen voor de juiste en volledige overbrenging van de inhoud van

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Re-post: Questions about a HP Apollo 735/125

by 520055239069-0001＠t-online.de

Hi folks, just excuse if this msg. is posted twice, but I've subscribed to the list yesterday, and sent the msg. right after subscribing. Although, didn't saw it in the list... So, please apologize if you got it twice! I just 'won' an old HP Apollo 700 Series, Model 735/125. Unfortunately, I don't have ANY information about it - searching HP's website took me to the service manual, so I know a little bit more about it now. By searching the web, I've learned that I can use a standard PC-VGA monitor with the apollo, by soldering (or buying, :-( ) a special cable. But, a few questions remain: - Anyone has a PIN-layout for the monitor cable? I know that I have to solder red to red VGA, red ground to red ground, and so on, but I don't know the pinout of the VGA connector... Maybe anyone did this before, and can tell me the correct PIN-to-PIN assignments?! (of course, I could search the web for the pinout, but I'm also interested in experiences with this special case) - Can I use a mouse? Unfortunately, I just got the machine, and nothing else... But, I found articles dealing with X-Windows, so I think a mouse should be supported... - My Apollo doesn't have a standard LAN-connector, just an AUI... I saw it has a EISA slot, and the manual told me that EISA is fully compliat to ISA (didn't know this before...). So, can I just equip the Apollo with one of my old ISA Novell/ Eagle-cards? (Of course, drivers would be a problem - but I plan to use NetBSD or maybe Linux, so I think I'll find one.) There's an EISA card in the slot, but this seems to be a Token Ring (it's called a "Ring" card) Sorry if my questions are a little bit stupid, but I don't know anything about the machine - just got it from dumpster without any additional informatins, and thought it would be nice to use it. Thanks for your help, I'm glad that there is a mailing list dealing with this systems - thought I've just got > 10kg of old iron, when I start searching the web, :-) keep on hackin', Harald (bofh(a)dh9dat.de) -------------------------------------------------------

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Remington Rand card punch and printer needed

by vcf＠siconic.com

Can anyone help Andy? If so, please reply to him directly. Reply-to: <andy.egendorf(a)netpatents.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:18:05 -0400 From: andy.egendorf <andy.egendorf(a)netpatents.com> Subject: Remington Rand I am working with the Rowayton Historical Society in Rowayton Connecticut, which is putting together artifacts for display concerning what is generally considered the first commercially available business computer - the Remington Rand 409 series (1951). We are trying to locate a source to enable us to punch a few dozen cards in Remington Rand format (90 column, round holes), and a source which can print on the cards the data punched into the cards. Both manual and powered punches were manufactured, but we have not been able to locate anything, even in museums. Similarly, we have been unable to locate any printer that could be used. This card format was used into the 60s, and maybe survived into the 70s or later, so there certainly ought to be something out there. Thanks, Andy Egendorf -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Shameless Plug Alert

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Hi, folks, Here's another shameless plug. I've posted a bunch of older DEC docs on E-pay, among them some engineering drawing sets for the PDP-11/05S and 11/10S, the MF11-U core memory system, and some various other books and goodies. There's also a KFQSA DSSI controller. All starting cheap, no reserve on anything. I'm not going to include all eight links here. Just pop over to Ebay and do a seller search for 'bftbell' (sans the quotes) if you're interested. Thanks much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Taki Kogoma, aka Gym Z. Quirk)

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Free in LA: TK50's - DEC Manuals - Commodore Pet - Dell P120 - Jaz Drives

by dfnr2＠yahoo.com

Hello Eliot, I'd be very interested in the PET, if you still have it. I didn't see any contact info in your post. I would be grateful if you emailed me with your email or phone#. Thanks, David. -- dfnr2(a)yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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Looking for 9trk drive

by jpl15＠panix.com

I am in the market for a DEC TE16 or Kennedy 9300 working drive with Unibus formatter card and cables. I don't have much to trade, but will pay reasonable bux and also pay to have it shipped , or pick up in the NorCal/Oregon/NorNevada areas. This is for an 11/44 system. I have an M4 Data streamer, a very nice SCSI/Pertec device, works well, quiet - but it lacks the 'cachet', shall we say, of watching those reels go 'round. Cheers and Thanks! John

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scsi drive + misc. other stuff (free pentium machines & 10 year rule/windows)

by jwest＠imail.kwcorp.com

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Semicon Cross Ref help needed

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: I got my hands on an unpopulated S100 motherboard by Vector Electronics and I want to put it together for testing purposes. It's an active-terminated board and I'm having trouble finding equivalent parts for two transistors: NPN power: GE D44C1 or NSI D44C4 (TO-220) PNP power: GE D41D1 or NSI D45C4 (TO-202)(NSI is National Semiconductor) Any help would be appreciated. Rich

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Panasonic HHC Find

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Today at auction I purchased from another bidder the following: A black metal HHC MINI I/O (RL-6002) unit (first I have seen) with Hand Held computer (RL-H1800) and HHC Color Plotter (RL-P1002) mounted to it. Panasonic ac adapter RD-9498 first one I have seen. A Brown leather case for the HHC also my first. A HHC Printer/Cassette adapter P1004. Instruction booklet for the HHC models RL-H1000, RL-H1400, and RL-H1800. A box with 5 Thermal paper rolls for the printer - New. Several tubes full of plotter pens from Tandy for the plotter. I purchased four pallets of computers and related stuff for $2.50 plus 10%. I have not completed listing all the stuff but will update ;list after I get it done.

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PDP 11/44 Want List -

by jpl15＠panix.com

The 11/44 I rescued is actually two complete systems in one rack. Last night I got around to turning up the other system, and was greeted by the snapping of circuit breakers and the blowing of fuses.. aaahhrg! Anyway, the H7140 power supply wanted some TLC which it got, but when recieved, the 'B' system was minus it's Data Paths card, and there were two spares among all the doc and other stuff, one labled "bad board". Neither of the two spares work in the 'good' system, and the one from the good system allows the monitor to sign on, but giving a ??CP HUNG result. so I have some bus grant/NPG jumer work to do - not a problem. What IS a problem is that I need one (or two) fuctioning M7904 cards to make it work, as a printset for the individual CPU cards seems not be included in the stack I got. I am also in the market for two or three DD11-CK Single Backplane assy's. Then, another couple of RL02 drives would round out things. I have found a nice 9trk subsystem. I know it's useless to ask about a Unibus SCSI card, so it's possible that I'll end up buying one... yuk. Hmmm... come to think of it, an RX02 might be fun, in case of software finds on Floppies. I will be brining the working system to VCF 5, as well as (possibly) a PR1ME 750. I will be in wheel/deal mode then... I'd like to hear back >from folks who might have some of the above wanted hardware, who will be at VCF - we can make a deal and do gthe exchange at Moffet Field. All for now... Cheers John

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Update suggestion for Zane Healy's ModuleList.txt

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Zane (and anyone else who is keeps DEC module lists), In case anyone is wondering: ftp://zane.brouhaha.com/pub/ModuleList.txt The list is for non-Q-Bus and non-Unibus cards, and it started out as a list combining all of the PDP-8 card lists that are out there (each of which had at least some different data). > I can confirm that the G646 _is_ part of the H212/MM8-EJ. You may > "connect the dots" in the Module List. > > -ethan Many thanks! I just updated it. Zane

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Update suggestion for Zane Healy's ModuleList.txt

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

Zane (and anyone else who is keeps DEC module lists), I was looking up the functionality of a board set I got off eBay recently (three auctions for the three boards from an H220 "MM8-E") and notice that for the H212/MM8-EJ, you list G??? as the core stack. Having just looked it up in the maintenance prints (B-DD-MM8EJ-B), it's the G646, which you have listed, but not listed as part of the MM8-EJ. I can confirm that the G646 _is_ part of the H212/MM8-EJ. You may "connect the dots" in the Module List. -ethan (now all I need is a working circuit breaker and I can test my "new" H220!) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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recent score :)

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Ok, it's a small one, but it's wonderful to me :) I just got a case of 1/2 mag tape EOT markers :) Anyone need a pack? Jay West --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

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10 years - Old Newtons

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

And if Chris doesn't have it, I know I do, still new in the box even... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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10 years - Old Newtons

by cb＠mythtech.net

>So what does it take to use a Newt with Winblows? Is there a good >page I can go to for what software I need on the PeeCee side to >back it up, and to drop new stuff on it? It takes a serial cable (mini-din 8 to DE-9 or whatever you have on your PC side), and the PC Connection Kit software, which I believe is now free >from Apple's web site (if not, let me know, I am sure I have it here someplace). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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FYI: Kevin Mitnick's Laptop auction

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Of course, why would anyone buy the POS anyway? It must truly be great to be able to be a criminal and then profit from it! Umm, god bless america or something... *sigh* _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Richard Erlacher?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I for one, have told my parents that should I die, I'd like my computer stuff to be donated to the Computer Museum, and whatever they don't want, should be given to RCS/RI and RICM.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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10 years - Old Newtons

by cb＠mythtech.net

>I have several older models the 100, 110, 120, 130, and eMate 300. They are >all really cool. I have just the 100, and 2 of the 110's. (but want a 130, an eMate and a 2100, don't care much about the 120 or 2000) I was a member of Apple's "Newton Developer Program", so I do have a number of cool CDs full of stuff. At one point I was writing software for them, but I wasn't very good. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Barco Chromatics CX-2000

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

It sounds like an old Chromatics graphics workstation... don't know a ton about it, but I'll bet its powered by a VME embedded SPARCengine, probably a 1+ or something... Will J _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Barco Chromatics CX-2000

by jplist＠kiwigeek.com

Greetings all, Have been offered a Barco Chromatics unit, but I'm having the devil of a time trying to find any decent information out about the unit. I've been scouring Google but the only useful thing I found is pretty generic. 6U VME unit, graphics renderer, semi-proprietary UI maybe... Anyone have any better first-hand knowledge of the unit? The dude has no VDU for the machine, but it has a set of 5 BNC connectors which gives me some hope... Anyways, Any help appreciated. JP

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Semicon Cross Ref help needed

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Mon, 7 Oct 2002; "Cini, Richard" <RCini(a)congressfinancial.com> wrote: > I got my hands on an unpopulated S100 motherboard by Vector > Electronics and I want to put it together for testing purposes. It's an > active-terminated board and I'm having trouble finding equivalent parts for > two transistors: Looking at a 1982 copy of the ECG Replacement Guide: > NPN power: GE D44C1 or NSI D44C4 (TO-220) ECG377 (TO-220) for both > PNP power: GE D41D1 or NSI D45C4 (TO-202)(NSI is National Semiconductor) D41D1 - ECG211 (TO-202) D45C4 - ECG378 (TO-220) ECG377 and ECG378 are listed as Compl. to each other ECG211 is listed as 1 amp and 6.25 watts ECG377/378 are listed as 10 amp and 50 watts Hope this helps, Mike

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Help needed with reading Altos 3068 disks

by classiccmp＠dobyns.com

Apparently, because I mention Altos in a few places on my website, I got this request. I just saw some bits about Altos pass recently - someone has to have a live one still in captivity. Mine are all in need of dustbunny removal and more. Please reply to the email below, not to me. Thanks, -barry --- Barry Dobyns, barry(a)dobyns.com, http://www.dobyns.com/barry/museum/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce W. Miller" <bwm(a)cooksonpeirce.com> To: "Barry A Dobyns" <barry(a)dobyns.com> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: Help needed We had an old Altos 3068 (running a 68010 chip I belive) that died. We are in need of transferring some data >from the floppys written on that machine to our new server. These were written using the IBM format. Do you have any ideas on what we could try? Thanks, Bruce

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TU-58 tapes for VAX 11/750 and 11/730

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

Guys, I have a few console, diagnostic, and patch tapes for the 11/750 and 11/730 on TU-58. I just recently got my 11/750 working, but I don't have a console tape that will boot it properly, though. What emulators are used to communicate with the VAX to simulate the TU-58? Anything for DOS, or is everything Linux based? I remember a discussion a little while ago about TU-58 tapes and a possible archive site, has that been set up? If so - when I can get the tapes archived I can submit these for inclusion. I'd also like to snarf a console tape archive or two as well... : ) Thanks! - Matt Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/subscribe_t&c.html. "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

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Etak Navigator

by patrick＠evocative.com

I have an Etak Navigator, serial number 67, that was at one time installed in my car, but many years ago was removed and relegated to a box in storage. I pulled it out a few months ago, but I have no idea where the tape drive is. I've moved many times since I worked there. I've contacted Etak (now Tele Atlas), but so far my inquiries have fallen on deaf ears. Does anyone out there happen to have a tape drive, or the whole system, that they'd be willing to sell/trade/etc? TIA, Patrick

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11/44 rescue complete

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

For what it's worth; RT-11 V4 seems to exist in both blue AND orange binder versions! And yes, the V4 manuals in blue do indeed have "PDP-11" style covers... Weird eh? Will J _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

23 years, 8 months

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Help needed with reading Altos 3068 disks

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I looked the model of the drive up, and sure enough, 1.2MB.. Which is exactly what I had figured. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Newton Karma (was RE: 10 years)

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

>I don't have a Newton myself, but my girlfriend does. She got it >years before meeting me. She doesn't believe her when I tell her >the kind of "geek points" she earned. Between that and her teaching >herself to build web pages with a text editor (again, before she met >me), I think I'm pretty lucky. In return, I helped her move from >office work to a geek job. Now she's an operator for a data center >with NT, UNIX and 36-bit machines! > >See how much karma a Newton conveys! > GOD man, MARRY HER!!!! NOW!!!!! :-) :-) (and is her sister cute? :-) ) Rich B. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

23 years, 8 months

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Mystery QBus cards

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 7, 11:16, Jochen Kunz wrote: > On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 12:50:54AM +0000, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > > I always get the QIC numbers confused. Which are the interface > > descriptions and which are the tape formats? > http://www.qic.org/html/qicstan.html Thanks, I've bookmarked that so I have (almost) no excuse now! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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PDP 11/44 working

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 7, 6:57, Pete Turnbull wrote: > DQ686 is an ESDI controller, with MSCP protocol. Oops, I meant DU686 (though a DQ is much the same thing, only for QBus instead of Unibus). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Help needed with reading Altos 3068 disks

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

It is possible that it is 760K, I haven't looked up the model number on the floppy drive in my 3068EP yet, I was just guessing due to the lateness of the machine.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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FYI: Kevin Mitnick's Laptop auction

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

The auctions for Kevin Mitnick's two laptops have closed. One reached $15,200 and the other reached $14,100! The $14,100 didn't reach the minimum! That's got to be some kind of records for laptops! There's something very odd going on with the first auction, the winner and the seller both have -1 feedback ratings! <http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&u…> Joe

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Scope Choice for Vintage Computer Troubleshooting

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

The all time classic scope has to be the Tektronix 465. It's the right vintage to go with most of the classic computers too. Joe At 08:45 AM 10/7/02 -0700, you wrote: >Ok, I need some advice on what type of scope might be available for >troubleshooting vintage computers. >I have already decided that I need more than is necessary. I want to >limit my choice to a economically priced portable LCD scope. However, I'm >not familar with what is available. >Any good choices? > > >

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Richard Erlacher?

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

I pinged him today, and he's just fine, thanks ... Just busy with some other stuff ... Rich B. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Pentium BIOS Writer's Guide?

by foo＠siconic.com

Does anyone have the first version of the Pentium BIOS Writer's Guide? If so, please contact me. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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New Acquisition

by jss＠subatomix.com

A listmember and I met today, in a city in the middle of the USA, to exchange some hardware. If you cctech-ers are wondering why you haven't got list mail in several days, well, now you know the rest of the story. :-) He got a Stardent deskside that I originally rescued from a Austin, Texas auction block. He also got a complete Xerox 8010 of his that I had transported and stored for him from elsewhere in the country. I got a nearly-complete Symbolics 3650 system and a DEC Computer Lab. I've always thought that LISP was an entertaining language, and that a LISP machine would be equally entertaining (maybe bewildering). Now maybe I'll be able to find out. Oh gods, that thing was heavy! But at least it came with a very cool (albeit later-model) space cadet keyboard, like the one pictured here: http://www.abstractscience.freeserve.co.uk/symbolics/photos/IO/index.html -- Jeffrey Sharp

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Mystery QBus cards

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 6, 12:52, Stan Pietkiewicz wrote: > I spotted a few cards at the local dismantlers the other day, and I > wonder what they are: > - dual-height (2 card edge fingers) with a sticker reading " MTI Model > MSV05B" and a 50-pin header at the outside edge of the card > - quaad-height with a silk-screened Dilog logo and DQ130 model number > and 2 50-pin headers at teh ccard edge. DQ130 is a Dilog controller providing a Pertec 2x50-way interface for a tape drive. I guess the other is a QIC-02 or similar interface. I always get the QIC numbers confused. Which are the interface descriptions and which are the tape formats? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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