5 Oct
2002
5 Oct
'02
12:42 a.m.
For what it's worth; RT-11 V4 seems to exist in both blue AND orange binder
versions! And yes, the V4 manuals in blue do indeed have "PDP-11" style
covers... Weird eh?
Will J
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5 Oct
5 Oct
6:57 a.m.
Will Jennings wrote:
For what it's worth; RT-11 V4 seems to exist in
both blue AND orange binder
versions! And yes, the V4 manuals in blue do indeed have "PDP-11" style
covers... Weird eh?
Jerome Fine replies:
Somewhere I seem to remember I have a set of V4.00 manuals
without ANY binders. Should I save them or toss them? It is
only about 18 inches of paper?
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
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8:34 a.m.
Jerome Fine replies:
Somewhere I seem to remember I have a set of V4.00 manuals
without ANY binders. Should I save them or toss them? It is
only about 18 inches of paper?
I'd say if you've got a set of V4 manuals that you don't want, offer them
up to the list. I'm sure that someone here would like a copy (I've already
got one and don't need another). Shipping shouldn't be that bad, or hard
for a stack like that (definitly easier than if they were in binders).
Zane
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7 Oct
7 Oct
4:33 a.m.
At 11:58 AM -0700 10/5/02, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
If these were somehow to make their way to Al Kossow, would he be willing
to scan and make them available on his FTP site?
John
Will Jennings
wrote:
For what it's worth; RT-11 V4 seems to exist
in both blue AND orange binder
versions! And yes, the V4 manuals in blue do indeed have "PDP-11" style
covers... Weird eh?
Jerome Fine replies:
Somewhere I seem to remember I have a set of V4.00 manuals
without ANY binders. Should I save them or toss them? It is
only about 18 inches of paper?
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
6:47 a.m.
Jerome Fine
replies:
Somewhere I seem to remember I have a set of V4.00 manuals
without ANY binders. Should I save them or toss them? It is
only about 18 inches of paper?
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
If these were somehow to make their way to Al Kossow, would he be willing
to scan and make them available on his FTP site?
John
8:15 a.m.
Sorry, my mistake. I was under the impression that Mentec would not be
concerned with V4. Similarly I have found various RSTS manuals online and
assumed that since they were <V9.6 (is that the correct V for RSTS?) that
it was OK. Certainly a shame not to make this information more widely
available.
John
At 11:48 AM -0700 10/7/02, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Unfortunatly I don't think such material can legally be posted on an FTP
site. RT-11 doc's are a bit tricky in that you can still get a set from
Mentec. Please do not even consider making such material available on the
net without first checking with them.
Zane
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Jerome Fine replies:
Somewhere I seem to remember I have a set of V4.00 manuals
without ANY binders. Should I save them or toss them? It is
only about 18 inches of paper?
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
If these were somehow to make their way to Al Kossow, would he be willing
to scan and make them available on his FTP site?
John 
9:15 a.m.
New subject: scanning PDP-11 software manuals (was Re: 11/44 rescue complete)
"John A. Dundas III" <dundas(a)caltech.edu> wrote:
If these were somehow to make their way to Al Kossow,
would he be
willing to scan and make them available on his FTP site?
I can't really speak for Al, but since he uses my Ricoh scanner for
a lot of his scanning, I'll try anyhow. :-)
The problem with putting PDP-11 software manuals online is that Mentec
still owns and sells this stuff. If someone were to convince Mentec
to grant permission to put scans of PDP-11 software manuals online,
I think Al would be happy to do it.
Note that some PDP-11 software is NOT owned by Mentec. Obvious
examples are DOS/Batch, IAS, DSM (Mumps), and diagnostics. Al has
already scanned some DOS/Batch docs, but I'm sure that if more of
these manuals were provided, he'd get them scanned.
You'd have to check with Al to be sure, though.
Eric
10:52 a.m.
New subject: scanning PDP-11 software manuals (was Re: 11/44 rescue complete)
Eric Smith wrote:
The problem with putting PDP-11 software manuals
online is that Mentec
still owns and sells this stuff. If someone were to convince Mentec
to grant permission to put scans of PDP-11 software manuals online,
I think Al would be happy to do it.
Jerome Fine replies:
In respect to the V4.00 RT-11 manuals, I still have not found them,
but will continue to look.
However, based on the notice that someone posted (Zane was it you?
that DEC allows anyone to make a copy of any DOCs that are not
longer being sold by DEC, I can't see that there would be a problem
with scanning RT-11 V4.00 DOCs and putting them on a CD. From
there, it should be possible to at least distribute them privately until
the issue is resolved.
Note that some PDP-11 software is NOT owned by Mentec.
Obvious
examples are DOS/Batch, IAS, DSM (Mumps), and diagnostics. Al has
already scanned some DOS/Batch docs, but I'm sure that if more of
these manuals were provided, he'd get them scanned.
As for who actually owns the present DOCs for RT-11, there really
seems to be something VERY curious (fishy?) going on. Since the
only available DOCs for RT-11 are for V5.06 (which are the same
IDENTICAL DOCs as are being used for V5.07 - with the addition
from Mentec of just the V5.07 Release Notes which are
mostly
useless from what I have been told), it seems possible that DEC
still owns the actual copyright on the DOCs themselves.
In addition, I know the DEC approved of making copies of
even V5.04G DOCs for RT-11 since they are no longer
being sold by DEC.
And there certainly seems to be a blackout on ALMOST ALL
detailed information about V5.07 of RT-11. For example, I
would very much like to add a large number of bugs to the
SECRET "Mentec V5.07 RT-11 Bug List", but I am prevented
from doing so because the list is of course SECRET.
You'd have to check with Al to be sure, though.
Maybe it would be better to have Al scan a set of at least V5.03
DOCs for RT-11. Since DEC certainly is not selling V5.03
if V5.04G is not available, I can't see why putting V5.03 DOCs
on a CD would not be permitted as well. Perhaps either Al
or anyone else willing to scan a set of RT-11 DOCs could
contact me. Al are you still at the same e-mail address?
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
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