- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I've got a lead on one with plenty of accessories but the guy needs someone to assess a realistic value to the machine, for IRS reasons or something like that. What could I tell him? He saw the functioning /// with profile I own, so it would be neat to have a working plus model alongside it.

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P9000/300 Computers, CS80 Disks and Windows

by list＠saracom.com

Hello, I am new to the list. My classic computer collection is mainly DEC but I must use "classic" HPs at work. Hence my current problem. We have multiple HP9000/300 computers connected via SRM to a HP9826 computer running SRM ver 3.12. We also have several standalone Viper board based PCs. My current problem is that one of the hard drives attached to the HP9826 has died. It was a HP7937 HP-IB drive. I believe it was a CS80 device. I have backups made with a HP9144 tape drive. We could buy a refurbished drive. We were quoted $1300 for a HP7937. I would like to avoid that. Since I only need a few files from the backup and my application could run from the Viper board, if I could get the files into a MS-DOS format, my problem would be solved. I looked through the archives and ran across a thread "HP storage formats on ss80 protocol disks". It seems work has begun on a Windows program to read at least LIF volumes attached to a NI-GPIB board. I have acess to such. The files are RMB ver 5.13 files. The drive that died was not the boot device. Couple of questions: 1) What format is the SRM backups in? LIF? HFS? Other? 2) Peter Brown, would you share your software? I am also open to other suggestions. If you have a HP7937 drive or similar, we can talk. Either purchase or trade. We have a spare HP9826 computer with a dead display along with extra HP9000/300 computers. Thanks Max

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H89 hard sectored disk copy program

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Patrick Rigney and I have been working on a program to transfer disk images to and from a H89/90 to a PC through the serial port. It looks like we have a working setup. Here are some of the things one might use this program for: 1. Boot Strapping a system without any boot disk ( you do need a 10 sectored diskette ). 2. Archive disk data onto newer media. 3. Transfer disk images over the Internet. I'm looking for a few more guinea pigs to try it out on. Right now, it is only working in a pure DOS boot and not in a DOS window under windoze. If anyone know what the problem is with windoze and serial port access, I'd like to better understand it? The stuff I have includes: BOOTSTRP.OCL Octal code to cold bootstrap H89TRANS.COM DOS program to run transfers H89LDR.BIN Main loader program to run on H89 If you have an extra blank disk, you only need to enter the BOOTSTRP, from the H89 monitor, once. You can then make a bootable disk that brings up the transfer program. The program includes built in formatting so you don't need to worry about that. The system needs one of the H89 serial cards. Right now, that is the only access I've implemented. I currently use the H89's LP: port since that doesn't require a null modem connection and simple 1-to-1 wiring works from a serial port on the PC. The port on the PC side is selectable. Disk image files can be transfered to and from the H89. These are simple non-compressed disk images. This way one can often write simple programs to read text files and such >from the images files. I may add a HDOS file read/write at a later date. There are some 9600TPI disk out there ( and I have a couple ) but I've not dealt with these yet. If you have a system that uses these, you'll need to wait. I am also especially interested in image files you may have. This is one of my main motives for writing this. There was a bunch of interesting things out there that would run under HDOS. I also have my Forth that runs standalone for those that are interested. I include a Forth meta compiler to modify or add anything you want. You can also make turnkey systems as well. Please reply if you are interested. Dwight

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S'west US Ham Swapmeet

by jpl15＠panix.com

For any interested Classiccmpers in the Southwest - the annual Ft. Thuthill ham swap is coming up at the end of this month - July 25th, 26th, 2th in Flagstaff, AZ at the Fort Tuthill Rec Area. This is large, well-attended meet with an outdoor area and also indoor vendor sales. Camping and RV spaces are available on-site. Sunday (27th) is the Auction, where all the stuff you didn't want to buy the first three times is auctioned off to the highest bidder - a real, show-of-hands type auction. E-mail me off list for more info - I'll be there with Marvin Johnston. Cheerz John

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NeXT monitor cables and stuff

by wpointon＠earthlink.net

hey gang - i hope exeryones doing well -- im in need of some next stuff to get a couple systems running - 1 - a video/sound y cable to connect a color nextstation to a soundbox and a color monitor 2 - the 3-bnc adaptor that goes on the monitor end of the y cable if youre not using a next monitor 3 - a mono video cable to connect a mono nextstation to a mono monitor 4 - also i need 2 next keyboards (non adb) 5 - ??? - i would really like to find a copy of openstep 4,2 mach or nextstep 3.3 ------- thanks a bunch and please reply off list --- billp

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1970's digitizer tablets

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 14, 11:53, Fred Cisin wrote: > What about an under $10 one for a MICROCOMPUTER/PERSONAL COMPUTER? > I will lay claim to the dubious honor of inventing that. (even though > it was so obvious that MANY people must have done so) > In 1983, I wanted a digitizer for blackboards. As a "proof of > concept", I attached a one foot long piece of clear plastic (a > ruler) to the shaft of a potentiometer. At the other end of it > I attached another potentiometer, with another foot long piece > of clear plastic attached to the shaft of that one. That made > for an upper arm hinged at the edge of the board with a > potentiometer, and a forearm hinged at the end of that with a > potentiometer at the "elbow". There was a very similar device around in the early 1980s; I can't remember what it was called but it hooked up to one of the machines at the college I worked in then, so it must have been for a BBC Micro (around 1983) or an Apple ][ or PET (about 1982). Its operational area was about an A4 sheet. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Can anyone id these HP ICs? (Joe)

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Bingo! You're right. It's part number is 05370-60022. I had tried to look up that number but all I found was a scanner with the same PN. Do you have a service manual for this? If so, can you tell me what these parts are? PNs 1820-0753, 1820-2000 and 1820-1999. Joe At 10:55 AM 7/15/03 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Joe, > >Your board looks like one of the interpolator cards from an HP 5370A Universal Time Interval Counter. Do you see an "05370-6xxxx" part number on the board anywhere? > > >Message: 14 >Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:52:26 >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >Subject: Re: Can anyone id these HP ICs? >Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > >Hi Ed, > > I posted a picture at ><http://home.cfl.rr.com/rigdon14/t-bird/hp-ic.jpg>. >I unplugged the two ICs in the top RH corner and turned them over so that >you can see the bottom and side of the ICs and the heat sink that the IC >normally sits on. There is a depression in the bottom of the IC case and a >rasied pad on the heatsink that fits into the depression. I've never seen >anything like this before! Note the delay line (?) on the LH side of the >card. Sorry I couldn't get a better picture. This is as close as I could >get with my camera. > > Joe

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Can anyone id these HP ICs? (Joe)

by swperk＠earthlink.net

Hi Joe, Your board looks like one of the interpolator cards from an HP 5370A Universal Time Interval Counter. Do you see an "05370-6xxxx" part number on the board anywhere? Message: 14 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:52:26 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: Can anyone id these HP ICs? Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Hi Ed, I posted a picture at <http://home.cfl.rr.com/rigdon14/t-bird/hp-ic.jpg>. I unplugged the two ICs in the top RH corner and turned them over so that you can see the bottom and side of the ICs and the heat sink that the IC normally sits on. There is a depression in the bottom of the IC case and a rasied pad on the heatsink that fits into the depression. I've never seen anything like this before! Note the delay line (?) on the LH side of the card. Sorry I couldn't get a better picture. This is as close as I could get with my camera. Joe

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TIFF to PDF (slightly OT, but for a good

by dfnr2＠yahoo.com

> Image magick does conversions very nicely, but > AFAICT it won't handle combining multiple tiffs into a > single document. > > Doc Actually, it does this very well: To convert a bunch of TIFF files to a single PDF, try the '-adjoing' option to the imagemagick utility "convert": convert -geometry 1600x1200 -colors 32 -colorspace yuv -adjoin *.tiff Similar for jpegs, etc. Dave

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1970's digitizer tablets

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

There were plans published in BYTE (IIRC) for just such a digitizer. I don't remember the issue, but the time frome would have been early 1980's. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Fred Cisin [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 1:53 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE:1970's digitizer tablets <snip> What about an under $10 one for a MICROCOMPUTER/PERSONAL COMPUTER? I will lay claim to the dubious honor of inventing that. (even though it was so obvious that MANY people must have done so) In 1983, I wanted a digitizer for blackboards. As a "proof of concept", I attached a one foot long piece of clear plastic (a ruler) to the shaft of a potentiometer. At the other end of it I attached another potentiometer, with another foot long piece of clear plastic attached to the shaft of that one. That made for an upper arm hinged at the edge of the board with a potentiometer, and a forearm hinged at the end of that with a potentiometer at the "elbow". <snip> -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com

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Can anyone id these HP ICs?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Picked up an HP circuit card today with some NEAT looking ICs. The ICs are 16 pin DIP packages but are made entirely of gold and ceramic. They have a gold bottom plate then a layer of white ceramic with what appears to be a gold ring around the top then a gold lid soldered to that. The legs are also all gold. They sit on gold plates that are slightly smalled than the ICs and the plates have a single leg coming off of each end that is soldered to the circuit board. The IC legs don't even mount in regular IC sockets instead there is a gold leaf terminal for each leg. I've never seen that type of terminals used for ICs before but HP does use them for individual wires in some of their products. The wires to the card readers in the HP-67 and HP-41 card readers are connected that way. I have no idea what this card came out of other than it's made by HP. The part number that's on it doesn't help id it either. There are 12 of these strange looking ICs on the card. They have HP logos and all the part number 1820-2000, 1820-1999 or 1820-0753. I've searched the net for those numbers and checked the on-line HP part number cross references but didn't find anything. However the 1820 prefix usually indicates that the part uses TTL levels. Any ideas? Joe

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impossible 7482's

by charlesmorris＠direcway.com

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:42:14 -0500, you wrote: >> that going. Oh, and a 7482 adder, which was impossible to find [1]... >> >> [1] I do mean _impossible_. I ended up using part of a 7483 that I stuck >> to the flip-chip PCB dead-bug style and wired to the holes where the >> 7482 should have been. Runs fine... > >You know what happens when someone says impossible... http://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?handler=displayproduct&&lstdispproductid=25… As of today, they have 426 in stock for $2.70 each... it wasn't impossible 6 mo. ago either when I needed one on an M220 card. Am I overlooking something? -Charles

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FA: Prototype Rockwell ICs, '55 T-Bird manuals, Sun/Solaris, AIM-65, PDP-8, Tektronix manuals

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

FA: Prototype Rockwell ICs, '55 - '56 T-Bird manuals, Sun/Solaris, AIM-65, PDP-8, Tektronix, Mostek Z-80 manuals and three new S-100 sockets. Just listed a whole passle of stuff on E-bay. See <http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=rigdonj>

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TIFF to PDF (slightly OT, but for a good cause :-))

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

PDF creation I think there is a tool under imagemagick called convert that can take a TIFF and create PDF. I think there are both Unix and Windows versions available. Mike

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Tymshare model ASR-33s??

by bob＠jfcl.com

Has anybody ever seen a special Tymshare model ASR-33? It's more or less a standard ASR-33, except that it has a three button CCU and the silver plate on the front (the one which would ordinarily have the Teletype name and logo) is painted blue (DECsystem-10 blue, I would imagine!) and lettered "Tymshare | Time Sharing Terminal." The CCU has three rectangular buttons marked "COMP", "LCL" and "OFF". Any data on what this CCU does? I'd like to modify the ASR for DEC compatible service (which should be easy enough), but I'd like to keep as much of this CCU as I can. It also doesn't have the reader power supply that's usually clipped on inside the pedestal, so I'd guess that it's part of the CCU. Another reason to keep the CCU if I can. Oh - and it also has the cutest little 4W fluorescent tube inside the paper cover to illuminate the printout. There's a ballast and a standard glow type starter inside the CCU. Thanks, Bob Armstrong

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1970's digitizer tablets

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Sellam wrote: > >In the late 1970s, AT&T's Bell Labs invented the "electronic blackboard". >It was basically a digitizing tablet that allowed one to draw and transmit >images. >Might anyone know where one exists? How about similar products prior to >December 1979? When was the first digitizing tablet invented? >This is research I'm conducting for a client, so any useful leads will be >compensated. >Thanks! I know we had a graphics tablet at the Bioengineering Program at the University of Missouri in 1975. It was a GrafPen Model (SP?). It consisted of two arrays of microphones along the x and y axis of a plexiglas tablet. MMMMMMMMMMMM M M M M M M M There was a spark gap pen that generated a click and the microphones could locate the point on the tablet. It could be flipped right or left handed because your hand/arm could block the sound from the microphones. It had a digital readout of the x and y coordinates. There was also a serial interface which we connected to our PDP-11/20. We placed the tablet over a illuminated light box with a chest radiograph on it and then we able to outline the margins of the human heart on the film. The data was used in a project to compute the shape of the heart and attempt to catagorize the type of congenital heart defect. I used it to place boxes on the film to look at pulmonary vascularity. You could imput points in a point by point mode or constant input mode. You could then scale the points to be displayed on a graphics display such as a RAMTEK system. We normally would draw and display on top of the digitized film image to make sure we were registered correctly. There were lots of work related and fun related stuff the Grad students used to system for. There was a 3-dimensional model available later. References found online: Grafpen GP-7 sonic digitiser, manufactured by Science Accessory Corporation. 1968 - Science Accessories Corporation (later SAC) releases sonic digitizer. GSIZE/SIZE documentation <http://biochem.otago.ac.nz/resource/gsize_doc.html> ... SIZE has been written to work with a GP-7 Grafbar Sonic Digitizer, manufactured by Science Accessories Corporation, 970 Kings Highway West, Southport ... biochem.otago.ac.nz/resource/gsize_doc.html - 33k - Cached <http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:xcKrL5E0pMAJ:biochem.otago.ac.nz/resou…> - Similar pages </search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=related:biochem.otago.ac.nz/resource/gsize_doc.html> Mike

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Apple 5MB Profile Hard Drive For Sale

by MTPro＠aol.com

I have examined the drive both internally and externally and it is in great shape. From external inspection, it appears to operate properly. It makes the right sounds, it's spinning in there, the light blinks then goes steady, etc. My Lisa has a bad floppy drive and the internal hard drive does not boot it. This Profile would not boot it either. This could be that it is empty, or it could be formatted to Apple ][, Apple ///, etc. Anyway, I think it works, but I can't guarantee it. Comes with power cord and original data cable. $60 plus shipping with insurance please. Best, David

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Macintosh Disks

by cb＠mythtech.net

>I recently got a machine (that is the same or looks similar to >http://www.ac-scanmac.dk/apple_museum/1995/histo_powermac5200.html ), and >I wanted to get it up on the internet. I have both a Sportster 28.8 with >mac adapter and an original GeoPort. > >Does anyone have OS installation disks for this beauty? I think it ran >7.5.5 or something, but OS8 disks are welcome (If they run on it that is - >- do they?) > >It has 32 MB ram, and a 1,6GB HD. You can get System 7.5.3 and the 7.5.5 updater for free from Apple's web site. I recommend going to at least 7.5.5 (don't stop at .3 as it is buggy) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Anybody want to buy a GEM?

by MTPro＠aol.com

I have three most excellent copies of Digital Research's superior windowing environment, GEM. Very cool, these are the original disks, though I don't know if they were OEM or commercial ones. I installed the 2.1 and 2.2 versions on my original Compaq Portable - with 640K RAM and a 32MB internal HardCard hard drive. The disks are in excellent condition and GEM installed easily. I am not able to do much to check it out though, as I don't have a mouse for the machine. I have not tried the 3.0 version, but can if someone has an interest. How about $15 each set plus shipping? I need to sell off some stuff, so please reply directly to me. I also have a copy of GEM Paint and GEM Publisher. Oh, anyone need Windows 286? Thanks, David Greelish GEM was Digital Research's GUI (or a WIMP in the original), written in the 1980s. It stands for Graphical Environment Manager, and was written by Lee Lorenzen who had just left Xerox PARC. Some GEM history: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1187

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Macintosh Disks

by toresbe＠ifi.uio.no

Hey all! I recently got a machine (that is the same or looks similar to http://www.ac-scanmac.dk/apple_museum/1995/histo_powermac5200.html ), and I wanted to get it up on the internet. I have both a Sportster 28.8 with mac adapter and an original GeoPort. Does anyone have OS installation disks for this beauty? I think it ran 7.5.5 or something, but OS8 disks are welcome (If they run on it that is - - do they?) It has 32 MB ram, and a 1,6GB HD. Thanks in advance! ______________________ |Tore Sinding Bekkedal| |toresbe(a)ifi.uio.no | |+47 91 85 95 08 \_________________________ ------------------------------------------------/

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Old Word Processors

by nedry＠mail.bedlambells.com

I can still remember screaming at my father (I must have been 13 at time time) "it's CTRL-S to save, and CTRL-L to load. How could they make it simpler for you?" when he was trying to use Applewriter //e, a very nice, full featured, non-WYSIWYG word processor. Good old . formatting commands. At 09:21 11/07/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Hi guys.... >I like that reference to edlin by Joe.... >Now that was some pain in the ass WP.... 8*) >How about Multimate for DOS.... >I used it for years, it was great! > >I think I'm getting OLD 8*) > >Doug Taylor > >PS: Hey Joe I still got my MDS 825 in the basement 8*) [---------] "Homer, we don't have to have sex." "Yes we do, the cookie told me so." "Deserts aren't always right Homer." "But they're so delicious." Website: retrobbs.org BBS: telnet bbs.retrobbs.org 2323 Tradewars: telnet tradewars.retrobbs.org [---------]

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TIFF to PDF (slightly OT, but for a good cause :-))

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Jim Battle <frustum(a)pacbell.net> wrote: > I also know that some months back Eric Smith of this list was working on > something much more flexible than c42pdf, but I don't know where it > stands. You can check for yourself: > > http://tumble.brouhaha.com/ Tumble thinks all the world is a little-endian Linux box. I've hacked on it to make it build and run for FreeBSD/i386 4.8-STABLE, and yes it does need some changes, one being a kludge to deal with the absence of <stdint.h> on FreeBSD 4.x, and another because of some expectations of the relationship between <stdio.h> open streams and the underlying file descriptors which I suppose are true under Linux but not under FreeBSD. Oh yes, and you will need Bison -- there are some yacc bits that don't build under Berkeley yacc. I have told Eric about my experiences with making it work. He's been traveling so I expect it's buried in his in-box. I'll remind him about it next time I see him. -Frank McConnell

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NeXT monitor cables

by wpointon＠earthlink.net

hey gang - i hope exeryones doing well -- im in need of some next stuff to get a couple systems running - 1 - a video/sound y cable to connect a color nextstation to a soundbox and a color monitor 2 - the 3-bnc adaptor that goes on the monitor end of the y cable if youre not using a next monitor 3 - a mono video cable to connect a mono nextstation to a mono monitor 4 - also i need 2 next keyboards (non adb) 5 - ??? - i would really like to find a copy of openstep 4,2 mach or nextstep 3.3 ------- thanks a bunch and please reply off list --- billp

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Connecting an RM05 to a Qbus

by cvendel＠att.net

Is there an adapter or converter to connect an RMxx drive to a Vax 4000's Qbus??? I can only find references to the Massbus controller and it was meant for the 700 series unibus. I really don't have the room to add yet another device (like an 11/780!!!), especially with an RM05 washing machine being added, so I would much rather utilize my trusty Vax 4000 that I already have several other devices hooked into. Thanks. Curt > Send cctech mailing list submissions to > cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cctech-request(a)classiccmp.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cctech-admin(a)classiccmp.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of cctech digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: iUP-201 PC software (Dave Mabry) > 2. Re: Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory (Zane H. Healy) > 3. RE: Teh over priced Mark-8/IBM 5100 is back (Kane, David (DPRS)) > 4. Re: Replacement CFX-200 Buttons (Fred Cisin) > 5. Looking for Digital Channel Server II (DESNB) (Eric Dittman) > 6. Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory (Roger Merchberger) > 7. Re: M220B (PDP-8/I) schematics available (Ethan Dicks) > 8. Re: M220B (PDP-8/I) schematics available (Jim Davis) > 9. RE: Older wordprocessing software (Evan R. Pauley) > 10. Re: Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory (Doc) > 11. RE: rare TRS-80 model 3 ?? (Witchy) > 12. Re: Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory (Jochen Kunz) > 13. Re: Older wordprocessing software (Jochen Kunz) > 14. re: Older wordprocessing software (Eric F.) > 15. Re: iUP-201 PC software (Joe) > 16. TI 990 Page and simulator (James B. DiGriz) > 17. re: Older wordprocessing software (Gene Ehrich) > 18. Commodore CBM/PET in Terminator 3 (Frank Palazzolo) > 19. Re: Commodore CBM/PET in Terminator 3 (Mark Firestone) > 20. Re: Older wordprocessing software (Bryan Pope) > 21. RE: Older wordprocessing software (Feldman, Robert) > 22. Re: Older wordprocessing software (Gene Ehrich) > 23. Re: Older wordprocessing software (Jay West) > 24. Re: M220B (PDP-8/I) schematics available (Ethan Dicks) > 25. Wanted: RL02 Working... (cvendel(a)att.net) > 26. Re: Older wordprocessing software (Fred Cisin) > 27. Items available (Bradley, Joel E -Syntegra US) > 28. American Automation EZ-Pro development system (Arlen Michaels) > 29. Kontron LA 32A hard drive? (Tom Owad) > 30. Re: American Automation EZ-Pro development system (Douglas Wood) > 31. RE: rare TRS-80 model 3 ?? (Hans Franke) > 32. RE: Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory (Antonio Carlini) > 33. SCSI bit-banging (emanuel stiebler) > 34. Re: M220B (PDP-8/I) schematics available (Bob Shannon) > 35. Re: American Automation EZ-Pro development system (Arlen Michaels) > 36. New Finds: SWTPC :-) (Joe) > 37. /35 /40/ 45 ? (Rod Young) > 38. Re: Looking for new maintainer for DECVAX.ORG and PDP11.ORG (Mark Tapley) > 39. Re: /35 /40/ 45 ? (Zane H. Healy) > 40. Re: /35 /40/ 45 ? (Jay West) > 41. Re: Commodore CBM/PET in Terminator 3 (Cameron Kaiser) > 42. Re: /35 /40/ 45 ? (Rod Young) > 43. Re: Older wordprocessing software (XyWrite) (Eric F.) > 44. PC-7221 (Paul Brodie) > 45. Up for bid - More 'classic' goodies (Bruce Lane) > 46. hp 5036A Lab (roy.harbert(a)adelphia.net) > 47. Re: Older wordprocessing software (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jules=20Richardson?=) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 20:52:17 -0400 > From: Dave Mabry <dmabry(a)mich.com> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: iUP-201 PC software > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > There was an ISIS-based program from Intel for the iUP 201. In fact, > that's what Intel supported it first under. The MS-DOS version came > much later. The program is called IPPS. I can e-mail the ISIS version > to whoever wants it. I have to look around for the DOS version, but I > should have it, too. > > Joe wrote: > > > Hey Dwight, > > > > If you write something, I'd like to get a copy too. I finally got a > > working iuP 201. BTW I've been thinking of making a PC interface for the > > UPP 103. I've finally got some docs on it and found out that it only uses > > about six commands; three writes, two reads and one read status. I don't > > know what they are but it should be too hard to grab the data with a logic > > analyzer. I'm not planning on doing it anytime soon, right now I'm busy > > re-building some MDSs. > > > > BTRW do you know if there was ever any software written for ISIS to > > operate the iUP 201? > > > > Joe > > > > -- > Dave Mabry dmabry(a)mich.com > Dossin Museum Underwater Research Team > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Subject: Re: Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:02:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > > I don't think this machine is *quite* 10 years old yet, but it's pretty > > close -- and it's 'different' enough that hopefully I won't get flamed... > > I'm not sure, but I think it's just over 10 years old, if not, as you say > it's pretty close. > > > I have a DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP which is currently sitting idle -- it has > > Tru64 Unix 5.0 on it currently, and 64Meg of RAM. I was thinking of putting > > Alpha VMS 7.1 instead, for to start learning VMS again (someday... :-O ) > > and I recall saying that Alpha VMS is much happier in more than 64M Ram, so > > I was thinking of upgrading it. > > You can run it in 64MB, but it isn't fun. > > > I do know that it uses 'standard' 72-pin Parity FPM Memory - but what I > > don't know is: how finicky is the machine? Will just any Parity memory > > work, or is it limited to certain manufacturers? I have a supplier that has > > used 32M Parity 72-pin FPM memory for $6/stick -- a decent price > > comparatively - I've seen it at $30+ per stick, which would make a memory > > upgrade cost more than the machine itself... > > You're sure that it uses 72-pin? I'm honestly not sure, I know that the > 3000/300LX does, but the 3000/x00 (can't remember the exact model) that a > friend has sitting in my Living room till she finds a drive for it, uses > proprietary RAM. Anyway, I've used various 72-pin FPM SIMMs in my Alpha's > and haven't had any problems that I can think of. Which isn't to say that > you won't have problems. The other question is, can it handle 32MB SIMMs, > and how many do you have to add at once? > > BTW, 128MB is probably more than enough to just play. > > > Should I take the chance and order the memory, or would it be foolhardy to > > do so? > > Do you deal with anyone that scraps PC's? I'm using some RAM out of Pentium > Pro's in a couple of my Alpha's. > > Zane > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Subject: RE: Teh over priced Mark-8/IBM 5100 is back > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:10:55 +1000 > From: "Kane, David (DPRS)" <David.Kane(a)aph.gov.au> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > I think we should give this guy his very own wet dream. I will bid one > MILLION dollars for it (left small finger in mouth), and someone else > can bid a few buck less. That should be a good laugh for him. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dwight K. Elvey [mailto:dwightk.elvey@amd.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 8 July 2003 9:06 AM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Teh over priced Mark-8/IBM 5100 is back > > "He's Back!" > > It looks like the same fellow with a new name. That'd > be my guess. Who was it that contacted eBay last time? > Maybe he should drop them another note. > As a side question, weren't most of the front panels > for the Mark-8's home made. In which case you couldn't > use someone else's photo. > Dwight > > > >From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net> > > > >> The seller is the overpriced systems and swiped descriptions and > photos > >>is back. > >><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2544091022&categor > y=12> > >>Is this the same seller ID or a new one? > > > >I'm really curious what exactly he is selling. The listing doesn't say > >that ANYTHING is really for sale. Although whatever the nothing is, its > > >$50 for shipping, and $5,000 to insure it (wow, it costs more to insure > > >it than to buy it!) > > > >-chris > ><http://www.mythtech.net> > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 20:21:43 -0700 (PDT) > From: Fred Cisin <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Replacement CFX-200 Buttons > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > On Sun, 29 Jun 2003, Robbie Sanders wrote: > > The best way to replace the buttons on a CFX-200 is to buy a used CD-401. > > There is a CFX-20 on eBay: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=26447801… > > The 40 and 400 are interchangeable (and they have hex arithmetic) > > Are the 20 and 200 interchangeable? > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Subject: Looking for Digital Channel Server II (DESNB) > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:36:27 -0500 (CDT) > From: dittman(a)dittman.net (Eric Dittman) > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Does anyone have an old Digital Channel Server II (DESNB) sitting > around unused? If so, please let me know. I have someone that > needs one and is willing to pay if it works. > -- > Eric Dittman > dittman(a)dittman.net > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 00:42:06 -0400 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > From: Roger Merchberger <zmerch(a)30below.com> > Subject: Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > I don't think this machine is *quite* 10 years old yet, but it's pretty > close -- and it's 'different' enough that hopefully I won't get flamed... > > I have a DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP which is currently sitting idle -- it has > Tru64 Unix 5.0 on it currently, and 64Meg of RAM. I was thinking of putting > Alpha VMS 7.1 instead, for to start learning VMS again (someday... :-O ) > and I recall saying that Alpha VMS is much happier in more than 64M Ram, so > I was thinking of upgrading it. > > I do know that it uses 'standard' 72-pin Parity FPM Memory - but what I > don't know is: how finicky is the machine? Will just any Parity memory > work, or is it limited to certain manufacturers? I have a supplier that has > used 32M Parity 72-pin FPM memory for $6/stick -- a decent price > comparatively - I've seen it at $30+ per stick, which would make a memory > upgrade cost more than the machine itself... > > I have no idea what they have for manufacturers of the memory - these guys > prolly don't, either. It's a reputable company (I've ordered from them > before) but they don't get too deep with the specifics. (WRT another OT > thread: They have 3Com 905C-TX NICS for $10 each...) > > Should I take the chance and order the memory, or would it be foolhardy to > do so? > > Thanks, > Roger "Merch" Merchberger > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:26:39 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: M220B (PDP-8/I) schematics available > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > --- Robert Krten <root(a)parse.com> wrote: > > For those of you who missed the announcement in alt.sys.pdp8, > > I've now almost completed the M220 version B schematic. It's > > available at: > > > > http://www.parse.com/~pdp8/pdp8i/m220b.html > > Cool! Thanks! I have a few M220 cards that will eventually benefit > from your efforts (I borrowed them from a parts machine to keep the > main machines running). > > > The trials and tribulations of the PDP-8/I restoration can be > > found at: > > > > http://www.parse.com/~pdp8/pdp8i/restore.html > > > > Plenty-o-dead 7474's in that one :-) > > That's been my experience, too. I have replaced as many as 8 7474s > at a go to get an -8/L back on its feet. I don't recall replacing > any other chip, as a matter of fact. > > -ethan > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:14:14 -0700 > From: Jim Davis <jpdavis(a)gorge.net> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: M220B (PDP-8/I) schematics available > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Ethan Dicks wrote: > > >--- Robert Krten <root(a)parse.com> wrote: > > > > > >>For those of you who missed the announcement in alt.sys.pdp8, > >>I've now almost completed the M220 version B schematic. It's > >>available at: > >> > >>http://www.parse.com/~pdp8/pdp8i/m220b.html > >> > >> > > > >Cool! Thanks! I have a few M220 cards that will eventually benefit > >from your efforts (I borrowed them from a parts machine to keep the > >main machines running). > > > > > > > >>The trials and tribulations of the PDP-8/I restoration can be > >>found at: > >> > >>http://www.parse.com/~pdp8/pdp8i/restore.html > >> > >>Plenty-o-dead 7474's in that one :-) > >> > >> > > > >That's been my experience, too. I have replaced as many as 8 7474s > >at a go to get an -8/L back on its feet. I don't recall replacing > >any other chip, as a matter of fact. > > > >-ethan > > > > > > > 7474's Dead d flops? whats the story on that? > Jim > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > From: "Evan R. Pauley" <evan(a)flextech.net> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: RE: Older wordprocessing software > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 01:48:36 -0500 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Jules, > > I still have most of those old versions of WordPerfect 5.1 DOS, WordPerfect > 6.0 for both DOS and Windows (the file formats are identical, BTW), MS > Office 4.3 for Win3x, AmiPro/Samna, and even (gasp) MultiMate. I have > *several* copies of the WordPerfect 5.1 manuals, along with some old Lotus > 1-2-3 v2.3 and Harvard Graphics manuals (and the software for those also). > > Personally, I was a WordPerfect aficionado (because of the DOS/WIN file > format matching). Hated Word, and used AmiPro/Samna for legal documents > (best on the planet back then). > > Most are on 5-1/4", a few are on 3-1/2", and Office is on CD. Let me know > privately what you need and we'll work out a way to get it to you. > > Evan Pauley > > ---------- > You wrote: > Hi all, perhaps pusing the boundaries of off-topicness here a little, but... > > I'm taking suggestions for wordprocessing software to run on an older 486 > laptop (1994, so almost within the 10 year limit!) that's running Windows > 3.11 > ... > > I still use the machine for a bit of wordprocessing ocassionally (such as it > is > with Windows Write), and better software would be nice. The laptop's handy > for > taking stuff down on before formatting things 'properly' on a more modern > desktop. > > I remember Ami Pro being quite reasonable on a similar spec desktop machine, > but my copy went to tape years ago and around half of the old tapes of mine > that I found recently are no longer readable :-( > > Suggestions of alternative software welcome though... > > cheers > > Jules > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 02:21:13 -0500 > From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Roger Merchberger wrote: > > I do know that it uses 'standard' 72-pin Parity FPM Memory - but what I > > don't know is: how finicky is the machine? Will just any Parity memory > > work, or is it limited to certain manufacturers? I have a supplier that > > has used 32M Parity 72-pin FPM memory for $6/stick -- a decent price > > comparatively - I've seen it at $30+ per stick, which would make a > > memory upgrade cost more than the machine itself... > > There are a bunch of different 3000/300 models. The 3000/300X and > the 3000/300 both take commodity 36-bit parity SIMMs. My 3k/300X is > running RAM from a Mac, from a DEC "Jensen", and from Goodwill. > > The best thumbnail reference directory I've found are on the > DEC/Linux pages: > > http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~prescott/linux/alpha/dec3000-sysinfo.html > > > Doc > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > From: "Witchy" <witchy(a)binarydinosaurs.co.uk> > To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: RE: rare TRS-80 model 3 ?? > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:17:12 +0100 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cctech-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]On > > Behalf Of Mail List > > Sent: 07 July 2003 03:25 > > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > Subject: RE: rare TRS-80 model 3 ?? > > > > Might depend on what environment it was designed for. If for home > > or office > > 110v would be almost exclusively the norm. If it was designed for > > an industrial > > environment, 220v may have been used sometimes. Plus, so many pieces of > > equipment were designed to be switchable between 110v and 220v. > > It just seems odd that the machine itself was set for 110V whereas its > printer is exclusively 240V: > > http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk/dmp100.jpg > > Of course, I'm only assuming it belonged to the machine because everything > came from the same yard sale - Model 3 with plastic cover, DMP100 printer > with plastic cover, cassette deck and a box of paper..... > > cheers > > -- > adrian/witchy > www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the online computer museum > www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - monthly gothic shenanigans > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:14:03 +0200 > From: Jochen Kunz <jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > On 2003.07.08 06:42 Roger Merchberger wrote: > > > I do know that it uses 'standard' 72-pin Parity FPM Memory - but > > what I don't know is: how finicky is the machine? Will just any > > Parity memory work, or is it limited to certain manufacturers? > It should accept any FPM parity (36 bit) SIMMs. One bank consists of two > SIMMs. In fact, it uses long word parity, i.e 33 bit SIMMs like the > AS500. I think it can use only 8 MB and 32 MB SIMMs. > > > Should I take the chance and order the memory, or would it be > > foolhardy to do so? > Well. By two SIMMs, look if they work and by additional 6 if they do. I > have a 300X with 256 MB RAM, thats nice. > > In an other mail Zane isn't sure if it uses 72 pin SIMMs or proprietary > RAM. All models of DEC 3000-300 use 72 pin SIMMs. The DEC > 3000-[456789]00 models use very special 100 pin SIMMs and they need 8 > per bank. > -- > > > tschüß, > Jochen > > Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:41:32 +0200 > From: Jochen Kunz <jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Older wordprocessing software > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > On 2003.07.07 15:32 Jules Richardson wrote: > > > I'm taking suggestions for wordprocessing software to run on an older > > 486 laptop (1994, so almost within the 10 year limit!) that's running > > Windows 3.11 > 1. Replace Windows with an operating system. E.g. Linux or NetBSD. > (Especially the later runs very well on older hardware with non-GHz CPUs > and only a few MB RAM.) > You may skip this step if you are not willing to wrap your head around > Unix. > 2. LaTeX. Period. > I used several WYSIWYG text processing software at that time > (WordPerfect, AmiPro, StarWriter, ...) and they all sucked. Then I got > into Unix and LaTeX and stayed there since then. LaTeX is not that easy > to learn, but you get _very_ good results for your work. I think (La)TeX > is the most bug free software on this planet. IIRC the LaTeX > distribution for WinDOS and OS/2 of that time was called EMTEX. If you > are able to switch to Linux or NetBSD you can use the most recent teTeX. > > -- > > > tschüß, > Jochen > > Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 02:26:01 -0700 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > From: "Eric F." <elf(a)ucsd.edu> > Subject: re: Older wordprocessing software > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > On Mon, Jul 7, 08:36:00, 2003, Jules Richardson wrote: > > >I remember Ami Pro being quite reasonable on a similar spec desktop machine, > >but my copy went to tape years ago and around half of the old tapes of mine > >that I found recently are no longer readable :-( > > > >Suggestions of alternative software welcome though... > > XyWrite comes to mind: low resource requirements, yet oodles of formatting > options. > > It takes a bit of time and practice to build up some speedy chops, so it > may not be the panacea you're looking for. I do know, however, that > XyWrite's format can be successfully converted into (many of) today's > common word processing formats. > > > Regards, > Eric > > --__--__-- > > Message: 15 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 07:06:55 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > Subject: Re: iUP-201 PC software > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > I think I found an ISIS version of iPPS last night but I'd like to get > he MS-DOS version if you have it. Do you have the pinout for the cable? > > Joe > > > At 08:52 PM 7/7/03 -0400, you wrote: > >There was an ISIS-based program from Intel for the iUP 201. In fact, > >that's what Intel supported it first under. The MS-DOS version came > >much later. The program is called IPPS. I can e-mail the ISIS version > >to whoever wants it. I have to look around for the DOS version, but I > >should have it, too. > > > >Joe wrote: > > > >> Hey Dwight, > >> > >> If you write something, I'd like to get a copy too. I finally got a > >> working iuP 201. BTW I've been thinking of making a PC interface for the > >> UPP 103. I've finally got some docs on it and found out that it only uses > >> about six commands; three writes, two reads and one read status. I don't > >> know what they are but it should be too hard to grab the data with a logic > >> analyzer. I'm not planning on doing it anytime soon, right now I'm busy > >> re-building some MDSs. > >> > >> BTRW do you know if there was ever any software written for ISIS to > >> operate the iUP 201? > >> > >> Joe > >> > > > >-- > >Dave Mabry dmabry(a)mich.com > >Dossin Museum Underwater Research Team > > --__--__-- > > Message: 16 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 07:47:01 -0400 > From: "James B. DiGriz" <jbdigriz(a)dragonsweb.org> > Organization: DragonsWeb Labs > To: ti-990(a)yahoogroups.com, cctalk(a)classiccmp.org, swpb(a)yahoogroups.com, > ti99-4a(a)yahoogroups.com > Subject: TI 990 Page and simulator > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Dunno if everyone has seen this, but there is a fairly new 990 web page > up by David PItts, who has written a simulator and cross-development > tools for Linux and Windows. > > It might be interesting to take something like this, or M.E.S.S. or one > of the other simulators, and reimplement the DX10 4A dev tools. Maybe > somebody might even still have them around somewhere. Hmmm. > > http://www.cozx.com/~dpitts/ti990.html > > later, > jbdigriz > > --__--__-- > > Message: 17 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:20:50 -0400 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > From: Gene Ehrich <gehrich(a)tampabay.rr.com> > Subject: re: Older wordprocessing software > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > At 02:26 AM 7/8/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >XyWrite comes to mind: low resource requirements, yet oodles of formatting > >options. > > What ever happened to XyWrite, was it acquired by another company? > > --__--__-- > > Message: 18 > From: "Frank Palazzolo" <palazzol(a)comcast.net> > To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Commodore CBM/PET in Terminator 3 > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:45:34 -0400 > Organization: Knarfian Labs > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Anyone else spot that one near the end of the movie? It was one of the > 80-column models. > Not sure what any of the other "30-year old" computers were. > > -Frank > > --__--__-- > > Message: 19 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 14:03:09 +0100 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > From: Mark Firestone <nedry(a)mail.bedlambells.com> > Subject: Re: Commodore CBM/PET in Terminator 3 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > I haven't seen it yet, but Captain Kirk owns one! Check out Star Trek > II... in his apartment... > > At 08:45 08/07/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >Anyone else spot that one near the end of the movie? It was one of the > >80-column models. > >Not sure what any of the other "30-year old" computers were. > > > >-Frank > > [---------] > "Homer, we don't have to have sex." > "Yes we do, the cookie told me so." > "Deserts aren't always right Homer." > "But they're so delicious." > > Website: retrobbs.org > BBS: telnet bbs.retrobbs.org 2323 > Tradewars: telnet tradewars.retrobbs.org > [---------] > > --__--__-- > > Message: 20 > From: Bryan Pope <bpope(a)wordstock.com> > Subject: Re: Older wordprocessing software > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:08:15 -0400 (edt) > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > And thusly Joe spake: > > > > >What about DisplayWrite?? :) > > > > > >*ducking and sprinting for cover* > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Bryan > > > > > > > Geez, why not just use Edlin? :-/ > > > > Joe > > Hey I forgot about that wonderful creation! > > But then there is also: > > C:>copy < document.txt > > (I think it goes this way...) > > Cheers, > > Bryan > > --__--__-- > > Message: 21 > Subject: RE: Older wordprocessing software > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 07:21:55 -0600 > From: "Feldman, Robert" <Robert_Feldman(a)jdedwards.com> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > C>Copy con foo.txt<CR> > Foo bar baz<CR> > Testing^Z<CR> > C> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Pope [mailto:bpope@wordstock.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:08 AM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Older wordprocessing software > > > And thusly Joe spake: > > > > >What about DisplayWrite?? :) > > > > > >*ducking and sprinting for cover* > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Bryan > > > > > > > Geez, why not just use Edlin? :-/ > > > > Joe > > Hey I forgot about that wonderful creation! > > But then there is also: > > C:>copy < document.txt > > (I think it goes this way...) > > Cheers, > > Bryan > > --__--__-- > > Message: 22 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 10:32:05 -0400 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > From: Gene Ehrich <gehrich(a)tampabay.rr.com> > Subject: Re: Older wordprocessing software > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > At 09:08 AM 7/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > >What about DisplayWrite?? :) > > I used DWA (Display Write Assistant) for years and it was an outstanding > piece of software > > --__--__-- > > Message: 23 > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Older wordprocessing software > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:38:22 -0500 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > When I do have the need for word processing on my vintage boxes, I use SATURN > on RT-11. > > Jay West > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gene Ehrich > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:32 AM > Subject: Re: Older wordprocessing software > > > At 09:08 AM 7/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > >What about DisplayWrite?? :) > > I used DWA (Display Write Assistant) for years and it was an outstanding > piece of software > > --__--__-- > > Message: 24 > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 07:59:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: M220B (PDP-8/I) schematics available > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > --- Jim Davis <jpdavis(a)gorge.net> wrote: > > Ethan Dicks wrote: > > >That's been my experience, too. I have replaced as many as 8 7474s > > >at a go to get an -8/L back on its feet. I don't recall replacing > > >any other chip, as a matter of fact. > > > > > >-ethan > > > > > 7474's Dead d flops? whats the story on that? > > Jim > > Dunno. I can say categorically that they were failed chips. They > did not pass muster in a handheld TTL tester, and when replaced, > the PDP-8/L worked. > > There was a mention on the list of a batch of 7440s that failed in > another M-series machine (might or might not have been an -8/L) > with the same date code. > > Not sure why 7474s from the mid-to-late 1960s would be more fragile > than, say, 7400s. Perhaps the flipping and the flopping wears them > out faster than anding and oring? :-) > > -ethan > > --__--__-- > > Message: 25 > From: cvendel(a)att.net > To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Wanted: RL02 Working... > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 16:04:55 +0000 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Hi everyone, > > I found a place on the East Coast selling RL02's and RLV12's for $120, anyone > in the NJ/NY/CT/MA/RI area (basically anyone in like a 3hr driving radius of > me) have an RL02 they want to sell cheap??? I'd like to pick the unit up and > save myself the $100 shipping charge (plus the worries of it bouncing around in > the back of a UPS or Fedex Ground truck!) So I'd be willing to pay someone in > my area $100 for a drive and $20 for an RLV12 if you have them and they are > known working, please let me know, thanks!!! > > Also I'm still looking for an RM05 or CDC9976 300MB Disk Pak drive, if > someone in my area has one that I could take on loan for 1 week and return for > a $$$ Rental Fee, I'd be willing to work something out with them. > > Thanks, > Curt > > --__--__-- > > Message: 26 > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:23:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: Fred Cisin <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Older wordprocessing software > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Bryan Pope wrote: > > C:>copy < document.txt > > (I think it goes this way...) > > copy con: document.txt > > The colon is optional on most versions, but helps as a reminder that it is > a device, and avoids problems if one manages to creat a file named CON. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 27 > From: "Bradley, Joel E -Syntegra US" <Joel.E.Bradley(a)syntegra.com> > To: "'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org'" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Items available > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:50:33 -0500 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > I have the following items available. Please e-mail me directly at > joel.bradley(a)comcast.net if interested: > > Sony PIC-1000 Magic Link with software (PDA circa 1994) > > Control Data Corporation Cyber 960 Framed and Matted photograph (approx 24" > x 20") > > Control Data Corporation Cyber 960 Matted photograph, No Frame (approx 24" x > 20") > > Control Data Corporation 3 - Ring Binder (many available) > > Control Data Corporation White Coffee Mugs (individual or set available) > > Control Data Corporation Legal Pad portfolio, brown leather-like material. > NICE! > > Microsoft Excel 2.2 for Macintosh - MINT IN BOX, still shrinkwrapped! > > ------ > Joel > > --__--__-- > > Message: 28 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 15:22:11 -0400 > Subject: American Automation EZ-Pro development system > From: Arlen Michaels <arlen(a)acm.org> > To: classiccmp <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > This microprocessor development system dating from the early 80s includes a > hardware in-circuit emulator for the Motorola 68HC11. I'd like to get it > running but I have no documents or software. Can anyone help? > > The main box is model number AA-547 and I believe it hooks up by serial > cable to a host PC. Besides the external ICE hardware, there's also a small > prom programmer box hanging off the system. > > Thanks in advance, > Arlen Michaels > > --__--__-- > > Message: 29 > From: Tom Owad <owad(a)applefritter.com> > To: Classic Computer <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Kontron LA 32A hard drive? > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:11:32 -0400 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > I have Kontron LA 32A Logic Analyzer that complains about no boot disk on > startup. It has two drive bays, the first of which has a floppy drive > and the second of which is empty. > > Does anybody know what software I'd need to get this running or would be > willing to make copies? > > Thanks, > Tom > > Applefritter > www.applefritter.com > > --__--__-- > > Message: 30 > From: "Douglas Wood" <dbwood(a)kc.rr.com> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: American Automation EZ-Pro development system > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:27:56 -0500 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > An 'HC11 emulator from the "early '80s"? I'm going from solely from memory > here, but I don't think that the 'HC11 existed then. Do you possibly mean > the 6805 series of microcontroller, perhaps? > > Douglas Wood > Software Engineer > dbwood(a)kc.rr.com > ICQ#: 143841506 > > Home of the EPICIS Development System for the PIC > http://epicis.piclist.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arlen Michaels" <arlen(a)acm.org> > To: "classiccmp" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:22 PM > Subject: American Automation EZ-Pro development system > > > > This microprocessor development system dating from the early 80s includes > a > > hardware in-circuit emulator for the Motorola 68HC11. I'd like to get it > > running but I have no documents or software. Can anyone help? > > > > The main box is model number AA-547 and I believe it hooks up by serial > > cable to a host PC. Besides the external ICE hardware, there's also a > small > > prom programmer box hanging off the system. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Arlen Michaels > > --__--__-- > > Message: 31 > From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> > Organization: SIEMENS AG > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 22:29:38 +0200 > Subject: RE: rare TRS-80 model 3 ?? > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > > > > Another puzzle is why mine came with a 240V printer when it was a 110V US > > > > machine? How common is a 240V circuit over there, apart for the likes of > > > > washing machines? > > > > How common is equipment that runs on 240V besides large appliances sold in > > > the US? Not very much. > > > > Might depend on what environment it was designed for. If for home or office > > 110v would be almost exclusively the norm. If it was designed for an > industrial > > environment, 220v may have been used sometimes. Plus, so many pieces of > > equipment were designed to be switchable between 110v and 220v. > > Well, maybe keep in Mind that Witchy lives in Britain, and 240 is > there (as for most other parts of the world) the standard voltage. > High power (3 phases) is supposed to be 400 :) > > Now, for the question it's rather where did you buy the machine? > Since the Printer is 240 I assume in Europe. In the late 70s a lot > of machines got directly imported and the people used step down > transformers to operate them - Often dealers even managed to sell > these beasts to customers when the original PSU was switchable to > 220 and so maxing the profit :) > > Gruss > H. > > -- > VCF Europa 5.0 am 01./02. Mai 2004 in Muenchen > http://www.vcfe.org/ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 32 > From: "Antonio Carlini" <arcarlini(a)iee.org> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: RE: Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 21:32:03 +0100 > Organization: me@home > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Manx ( http://vt100.net/manx ) has an upgrade manual listed for it > (try searching on "dec 3000"). If that doesn't help, I have > a service guide around somewhere, so yell. > > (And, yes, OpenVMS will feel much happier in 128MB). > > Antonio > > -- > > --------------- > Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org > > --__--__-- > > Message: 33 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 15:36:07 -0600 > From: emanuel stiebler <emu(a)ecubics.com> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: SCSI bit-banging > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Hi all, > I guess we all remember this boards attached to > ataris/commodores/apples, where we had a PIA/parallel port to attach > some of the nice SCSI disks. > > However, I don't find anything about this old bit-banging interfaces on > the net. > > Any links ? > > cheers > > --__--__-- > > Message: 34 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 17:44:32 -0400 > From: Bob Shannon <bshannon(a)tiac.net> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: M220B (PDP-8/I) schematics available > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Jim Davis wrote: > > <snip> > > >> > >> That's been my experience, too. I have replaced as many as 8 7474s > >> at a go to get an -8/L back on its feet. I don't recall replacing > >> any other chip, as a matter of fact. > >> > >> -ethan > >> > >> > >> > > 7474's Dead d flops? whats the story on that? > > Jim > > > Good question! I've also chased down several bad 7474's in my Imlac, > and I suspect some bad 7474's on a > few HP 1000 series I/O boards I have down in the shop. > > Is the 7474 a 'dog'? I've know a few TTL parts that were pretty bad, > mainly counters though. But a latch? > > --__--__-- > > Message: 35 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:15:42 -0400 > Subject: Re: American Automation EZ-Pro development system > From: Arlen Michaels <arlen(a)acm.org> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > on 8/7/03 4:27 PM, Douglas Wood at dbwood(a)kc.rr.com wrote: > > > An 'HC11 emulator from the "early '80s"? I'm going from solely from memory > > here, but I don't think that the 'HC11 existed then. Do you possibly mean > > the 6805 series of microcontroller, perhaps? > > Sorry, I should have said "late 80s". The firmware in the 68HC11 emulator > pod is dated 1-18-89. The design of the main box likely did originate > somewhat earlier because it appears to be based on the SS-50 bus (believe it > or not) and certainly AA produced emulators for other early Motorola cpu's. > > Arlen Michaels > > -- > Arlen Michaels > arlen(a)acm.org > > --__--__-- > > Message: 36 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 20:26:09 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > Subject: New Finds: SWTPC :-) > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > A friend of mine picked up about 30 boxs of electronics parts, data > books, evaluation kits, parts samples, etc at a local flea market last > week. Today I was helping him go through the stuff and I spotted some > familar looking boards. I picked one up and remarked that it looked like > something for the SWTPCs. Then THE very next board that I picked up was > marked "SWTPC" so I knew I was onto somehting good. I dug through the boxs > and got 6+ boxs of disks with software for the FLEX OS (used on the SWTPCs) > and found six circuit boards for the SWTPCs. Here's the list: (1) SWTPC > MP-09 - Replacement CPU board for the SWTPC computers, uses 6809 CPU. This > is a MP-09, not an A or B. (2) A Southeastern Micro Systems DDC-16 Floppy > Drive Controller. (3) A Tanner Computers SS-50 64k memory board, uses 2716 > EPROMs or 6116 S RAMs. This one has the S RAMS installed. (4) A SWTPC MP-R > 2716 EPROM burner card. (5) A SWTPC MP-T Interrupt Timer board. It's > implemented with a 5009 programmable counter/ divider and 6820 PIA ICs and > provides software selectable interrupts of 1 usec, 10 usec, 100 usec, 1 > msec, 10 msec, 20 msec, 100 msec, 1 sec, 10 sec, 100 sec, 1 min, 10 min or > 1 hour. (6) A Gimix 2 port Serial Interface board. Fits the SS-30 socket > and uses two MC68B50s. I found everything else described on Michal Holley's > SWTPC site but not this one. Does anyone have any details on it? > > Pretty good haul, specailly considering that I didn't have to go > anywhere and find it :-) > > Joe > > --__--__-- > > Message: 37 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:22:34 -0600 > From: Rod Young <rodyoung(a)shaw.ca> > Subject: /35 /40/ 45 ? > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Well, I'll take a chance and ask... just in case timing is right... > > I'm looking for a PDP 11/35, or /40 to add to the collection. I know I > know, who isn't looking for one! > > I have a few 11/23's and misc cards I might consider trading in case anyone > in Western Canada has a /35 or /40 they are looking to trade??? sell ??? > or just find a good home for... > > thx > rod > > --__--__-- > > Message: 38 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:52:21 -0500 > From: Mark Tapley <mtapley(a)bams.ccf.swri.edu> > Subject: Re: Looking for new maintainer for DECVAX.ORG and PDP11.ORG > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > mrbill wrote: > > >I've also got about a truck-full (maybe a station wagon load, maybe > >less) of old DEC documentation, handbooks, software on paper tape, a > >disc pack or two... Jeff Sharp has seen my garage. 8-) I can't ship any > >of it (unless you provide a FedEx or UPS account number to bill to), and > >would like to avoid throwing it in the trash. At least 3-4 "storage tubs" > >of manuals and documentation, a mixed VMS 4/5 "orange wall", and various > >other things. > > > >If you're interested, please contact me by email. I don't have time for > >DEC/PDP stuff anymore, and need the space in my garage back - but want > >it all to go to someone worthwhile. > > I don't have room to keep this, but if anyone is interested in this, > could likely help with a "rescue". Let me know when/if you want to > set something up. > > -- > - Mark > 210-522-6025, page 888-733-0967 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 39 > Subject: Re: /35 /40/ 45 ? > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:27:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > > I'm looking for a PDP 11/35, or /40 to add to the collection. I know I > > know, who isn't looking for one! > > I'm not. I don't have the room :^( > > Zane > > --__--__-- > > Message: 40 > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: /35 /40/ 45 ? > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 22:04:38 -0500 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Zane wrote.... > > I'm not. I don't have the room :^( > > I *DO* have the room, and I AM looking for a 35/40/45 *grin*. > > So of someone is getting a little tight on space..... > > Jay (dreaming) West > > --__--__-- > > Message: 41 > From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)floodgap.com> > Subject: Re: Commodore CBM/PET in Terminator 3 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:17:37 -0700 (PDT) > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > > Anyone else spot that one near the end of the movie? It was one of the > > 80-column models. > > Yeah, I noticed that. I'm wondering which computer John Connor knocked on > the ground, though. It looked like an early X-term of some vintage. > > -- > ---------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- > Cameron Kaiser, Floodgap Systems Ltd * So. Calif., USA * ckaiser(a)floodgap.com > -- High explosives are applicable where truth and logic fail. -- Marcello Corno > > --__--__-- > > Message: 42 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 21:40:01 -0600 > From: Rod Young <rodyoung(a)shaw.ca> > Subject: Re: /35 /40/ 45 ? > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > And... if someone wants to swap an 35/40/45 for my 11/23 ---SMILE... let me > know! > > rod (hoping) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:04 PM > Subject: Re: /35 /40/ 45 ? > > > > Zane wrote.... > > > I'm not. I don't have the room :^( > > > > I *DO* have the room, and I AM looking for a 35/40/45 *grin*. > > > > So of someone is getting a little tight on space..... > > > > Jay (dreaming) West > > --__--__-- > > Message: 43 > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 02:56:53 -0700 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > From: "Eric F." <elf(a)ucsd.edu> > Subject: Re: Older wordprocessing software (XyWrite) > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > On Tue, 08-Jul-2003, @ 08:20:50 -0400, Gene Ehrich wrote: > > >What ever happened to XyWrite, was it acquired by another company? > > > Yeah - something like that. XyWrite's history of commercial development > took a few odd turns, and suffered the consequences of some marketing mishaps. > > > A web page w/some decent info on XyWrite can be found @ > > http://www.escape.com/~yesss/_xywhat.htm > > (This is not my web site, BTW.) > > > Regards, > Eric > > --__--__-- > > Message: 44 > From: Paul Brodie <brodie(a)goulburn.net.au> > To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:04:22 +1000 > Subject: PC-7221 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Mike, > I also have a Sharp lunch box computer and > have tried to get a boot disk or config disk. Have > you had any luck ? > > Regards > > Brodie > > --__--__-- > > Message: 45 > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 07:46:25 -0700 > From: "Bruce Lane" <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com> > To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Up for bid - More 'classic' goodies > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Shameless plug alert! > > I've got a few items in my latest crop of auctions that may be of > interest to those of you running MicroVAX, MicroPDP, or IBM PS/2 Model 70 or 80 > systems. > > First off, there's an IBM 'Blue Lightning' CPU upgrade kit, unused and > still in its original packaging. This takes a 386 PS/2 system up to IBM's > 486DLC. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=2740760908 > > Second is another Maxtor XT2190 drive, which I'm told is the same as a > DEC RD54. Don't know for sure what shape it's in, but I recall it was a pull > from an old PC (which got scrapped). > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=2740802251 > > Finally, there's a DEC RRD40 CD-ROM drive (the one with the psychotic > D-sub 15 connector on its case). > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=2740796077 > > There's other non-classic (and non-computer) stuff as well, if you're > curious. No reserve on anything, some stuff listed as 'buy-it-now.' > > Thanks for looking. > > > > Anyway, hit E-pay and do a seller search > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, > Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com > ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com > "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior > to what I have now..." (Taki Kogoma, aka Gym Z. Quirk) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 46 > From: <roy.harbert(a)adelphia.net> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: hp 5036A Lab > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:04:18 -0400 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Do you still have loose bound copies of the manual? I would be glad to scan and > post them as I am in need of them myself. I just purchased a lab from eBay, but > it came with no manual or processor. > > Do you happen to know if there are any micro's floating around?? > > Thanks for your time, > Roy > > --__--__-- > > Message: 47 > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 23:58:17 +0100 (BST) > From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jules=20Richardson?= > <julesrichardsonuk(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: Re: Older wordprocessing software > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > > > Windows 3.11 > > 1. Replace Windows with an operating system. E.g. Linux or NetBSD. > > (Especially the later runs very well on older hardware with non-GHz CPUs > > and only a few MB RAM.) > > You may skip this step if you are not willing to wrap your head around > > Unix. > > Ahh, been there though. I did run Linux on this very same laptop for a while - > I believe it was AbiWord I used as a basic GUI-based wordprocessor for my > scribbles. > > At the time, one problem was the lack of CDROM drive on the machine for getting > any large software onto it. The only parallel-port drive I had access to was a > Microsolutions Backpack, and no matter what I tried it refused to work with > Linux. No problems there under DOS / Win311. > > Second problem was one of performance - the linux distributions that were > around a couple of years ago tended to be aimed at slightly faster hardware. I > do still have old distributions lying around back to around 1994 or so (I > remember the days of SLS on 50 or so floppies - it was always guaranteed *one* > of the disks would be dead, usually near the end of the pile :) but then I'd > have all sorts of compatibility problems with any modern software. Alternately > I could trim down a more modern version of Linux - but that's a lot of effort > for something that just gets used for casual note-taking now and then. > > Third problem is also performance-related, and down to the time it takes Linux > - or any modern MS operating system - to start up and shut down. If I just want > to spend a couple of minutes typing some notes, I don't want to be taking the > same length of time waiting for the machine to boot and then shut down again at > the end. With DOS / Win311 the startup and shutdown is extremely quick. > > Maybe there's a version of NetBSD that gets round the second problem, but I bet > it still takes a lot longer than DOS/Windows does to boot and shut down. > > > I used several WYSIWYG text processing software at that time > > (WordPerfect, AmiPro, StarWriter, ...) and they all sucked. > > Wordperfect 6.0 I assume, 5.1 not being particularly WYSIWYG as I recall :-) > And yes, from memory 6.0 did suck; all these posts have reminded me of all the > wordprocessing software I'd forgotten about. I used to use 5.1 a *lot* under > DOS until I started running Windows 3 on the PC I had back then. > > I have a horrible feeling the negative thing I vaguely recall about Ami Pro was > its stability, at least in the version I had :-( Maybe there were later > releases with the problems ironed out, or it was just some odd problem with the > machine I had back then. If I can trace a copy then I'll find out I suppose... > > Someone mentioned DisplayWrite too - arghh! That had totally faded from my > memory. My father's work made it their standard for a while; I should have > access to a copy in theory but I have no plans to try and track that one > down... :-) > > cheers > > Jules > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! > Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > End of cctech Digest

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Old Word Processors

by techno＠videotron.ca

Hi guys.... I like that reference to edlin by Joe.... Now that was some pain in the ass WP.... 8*) How about Multimate for DOS.... I used it for years, it was great! I think I'm getting OLD 8*) Doug Taylor PS: Hey Joe I still got my MDS 825 in the basement 8*) -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ D E A D O N A R R I V A L B B S telnet://doabbs.dynip.com http://www.dsuper.net/~techno

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Fun story, and 'How do you remove security anchors from cases?'

by florit＠unixville.com

ClassicCmp story: when I was at my university (Florida International University, Miami, FL), studying computer science, I managed to get in league with a professor (Dr. Milani) to let me take independent study with him, and use the computers in his lab; see, it was sort of the elite lab on campus, the only one outfitted with the then 'super cool' Silicon Graphics Indy and Indigo 2 machines. I'd always jonesed for having one of these, even though they're now outdated for any 'real' work besides terminal duties. I'd run across many on ebay (they're super cheap now), and even saw a prototype Indy at 'Weird Stuff' in but never got around to buying one. See, I'm the kind of classic cmp collector that lets the computer come to him, with the off exception (Timex Sinclair 2068 was ebay bought). Some of my cohorts (Miwa and Gouku) from my days at the University, decided to stay on there working as SysAdmins for the campus computers. They told me that every so often, as systems come to the end of their life, they usually get torn into, all the useful recyclables get extracted (memory and hard drives if they're of any usable size), and their now lifeless corpses get sent to 'surplus'. This is where a gentleman gets their university serial number, marks them as 'gone' from inventory, and they usually get bought out in lots at auctions held every so often. My guess is for metal scrap or some other ill end. These same cohorts go by the surplus building regularly and walk by the soon to be scrapped systems looking for gems to be rescued. At one point, they ran into an SGI system and mentioned it to me, knowing I was interested. However, because of delayed in communication, by the time we mobilized to acquire the system it was gone. Bummer! "Keep an eye out and grab'em when you see any SGI's." I told them, and they said "ok". About a year later, they message me on IRC and say 'Hey, guess what we got you.' I was happy beside myself. When we arrange for the 'drop' at the university campus parking garage: In the trunk of the car they had TWO SGI's for me: an Indigo 2 and an Indy! On the torn stickers affixed to their shells they had their names, Frontier and Pioneer. These were two of the systems from my lab! The lab had been dismantled a few years after a graduated for office space and the systems moved to another room/lab. With much glee I transferred them to my car and ran off as fast as I could before lighting would strike me, with so much luck on my side. I've got them at home; the Indigo 2 had a padlock on it, which I made short work of with a dremel. Opened it up, and it has all of its memory and harddrive- 32Megs and a 1G drive! The Indy had its drive, but no memory. I tried to boot the Indigo 2, but no luck; it would die trying to repair the boot drive. I had a spare scsi drive and a Indy compatible cdrom drive, and a copy of Irix 6.5. I tried to make the Indigo 2 boot with that, but there was no love- aparently the scsi card has some problems and the cdrom keeps on timing out and resetting the scsi bus. I had some spare ram that would work in the Indy, put a replacement drive in it, and after some false starts (didn't know the boot disk had to be SCSI Id 1 on Indys) managed to get most of Irix onto it. Its running quite nicely given its near 9 years of age. So onto the real question here: The outsides are in great shape, but it appears there were some fears of theft in the new lab and they put those aluminum anchors that you thread the cable through and padlock on one end so the equipment doesn't 'Walk away'. I'd like to try and remove this without damaging the case. Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions? There seems to be a rubber like material between the aluminum anchor and the computer itself, and I was thinking of poking at it with a razor blade or the like. Looking for better alternatives, though. Louis

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NEC PC 8001-A, Commodore SX64, Mac Color Classic for Trade

by jared＠ethani.com

I know this is an old message, but did you get, or still have the SMORE cartridge? I've been looking for one for awhile. Thanks, Jared I picked up the following this morning: NEC PC 8001-A keyboard & base unit. Commodore SX64. Mac Color Classic 4/40 Left behind (like-new condition) Commodore 64 (no power brick) 1541 Floppy Drive Commodore Cassette Drive A cartridge labeled "SMORE". Comrex CR220 Serial Bus Printer None of these have any use or value to me, so if they do to YOU, please contact me off list for fair trade. Regards, Eliot

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(Fwd) MINC-11 available (UK)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

This is just to remind anyone who saw my post a few days ago, and hasn't yet decided they need to rescue this MINC... > DEC MINC 11 > > This is a self contained mobile unit based on a PDP11. > > It has an ADC, Digital I/O and clock. VT05 VDU on top of it. Dual 8" > floppies. Era 1980. Quite heavy!! > > It's available up until 21st April - maybe a bit beyond if you really > want it. The deadline was extended until next week, but it is now a firm deadline -- the owner (not me) is in Edinburgh, and is moving office next week, to a new site. There's no way the MINC can go with him, and there's probably soe other stuff available as well. Surely someone can rescue this machine! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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TIL 308

by Borgwardt-Hamburg＠t-online.de

Dear Mr. Arnold, I found your name and adress by searching in google for the TIL-308 spare part. You published that you got a few of them for sale. If you even have a few of them now, I would be glad if you give me an offer. With kind regards Karlheinz Jentsch

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wweng2.sys for decserver 700

by mrholmes＠email.com

Hello, I am hoping that you have an image file for decserver700 named wweng2.sys. I could really use a copy of this. Another thing that would help is Digital's ASL (Access Server Loader), the (windows) software for tftping above image to device. Any help would be greatly appreciated mrholmes(a)email.com -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers

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dead PDP-8 TTL chips

by c.morris＠townsqr.com

>That's been my experience, too. I have replaced as many as 8 7474s >at a go to get an -8/L back on its feet. I don't recall replacing >any other chip, as a matter of fact. > >-ethan Remember earlier this winter when I was restoring my 8/L, I had one or two bad 7474's but EVERY 7440 with date code 7005 was bad! -Charles ps still looking for someone to help with my ASR33 tape reader error rate, so I can finish revising my DF32x4 NVRAM project.

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rare TRS-80 model 3 ??

by archivesoftware＠celebritydirect.net

I have a unique TRS-80 model 3 that I am trying to find some information on. It has a catalog number of 26-1060, which I haven't been able to find any references to on the internet. The majority of the Model 3s are 26-1066 (48k 2-disk systems). It also has a serial # of 0000365! This is a 32k system, which no disk drives. Have any of you seen one of these before? Why aren't there any references to this catalog number out there? I have a feeling this computer was made as a terminal of some sort for the early "networking" that businesses, and particularly schools, used to do... but if that's the case, one would think it would be a lot more common. Just looking for any additional information you might have..... Sincerely, CORD G. COSLOR Archive Software www.archivesoftware.net ----- | Celebrity Direct Entertainment | PO Box 247 - Hutchinson, KS - 67504-0247 | (620) 665-8366 | www.CelebrityDirect.net * CDE(a)CelebrityDirect.net | AOL IM: CelebDirectEnt

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WTB Outbound Laptop

by monkeypox2003＠msn.com

Looking to buy the class Outbound laptop Mac clone, the one with the IR keyboard. Please reply to me at: monkeypox2003(a)msn.com.

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Hard sector disks

by mypage＠comcast.net

Patrick Rigney: I found your name on the internet in regard to your having a 5.25" Hard sector Drive. I have a large collection of old hard sector disks. most of which have programs or data files on them but could likely be reused. However, I have about 20 disks that have data (compiled in CP/M) on them that I would like to get copied to a more contemporary medium. Do you have the capability to make such a transfer and, if so, would you be willing to do that for me and, if so, at what cost? Thank you, Page Carter 620 Central Street SE Olympia, WA 98501 360-701-9919 mypage(a)attbi.com

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IMSAI 8080 Classic Microcomputer System

by mail.list＠analog-and-digital-solutions.com

IMSAI 8080 Classic Microcomputer System http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2741173742

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Trade Please: Space is at a premium!

by patrick＠evocative.com

OK, it's time for me to get rid of some things I've been keeping for too long, and rather than go directly to eBay (some of you will appreciate the irony of this move in coming weeks), I was wondering if any among you would be willing to trade some vintage items for some mixed modern/vintage stuff... I have the following to offer (individually or in combination): * Cisco 2524 router w/FT1/T1 CSU/DSU (IOS 11.2) * Cisco 2524 router w/FT1/T1 CSU/DSU (yes, I have two of these) * Wyse 50 terminal, in nice shape except for broken F1 key (included) * DEC VT320 terminal, working, amber screen, MMJ * Cisco Catalyst 2100 Switch (24 port 10-BaseT + 2 100MB uplink) * 3Com Linkbuilder FMS-II 12-port 10-BaseT managed hub (rack mountable) * 3Com LinkBuilder TP/12 12-port 10-BaseT unmanaged hub (desktop) 3C16170 * Asante 10T Hub/8 mini-hub (10Base-T, good-sized wall-wart power supply) * Panasonic KX-P1150 dot matrix printer (parallel interface) * Dell OptiPlex GMT 5133, Pentium 133, 32MB RAM, 4GB HD (mini tower case) * Dell OptiPlex GX/Pro Pentium 200 MMX unknown RAM, Adaptec 1522B SCSI + 4GB drive (desktop case) * Dell Dimension XPS/D300 w/160MB RAM, no hard drive (desktop case) * Apple Macintosh SE/30 w/500MB HD, System 7.6 installed (kbd, no mouse; case cracker included :-)) * Sun SparcStation 20 (condition unknown, but working when pulled; no drives now; possible frame buffer--anyone know how to tell for sure?) * HP 7550A plotter (A and B size, with carousel, working, serial + GPIB) * Iomega Bernoulli Box CDS-PC/20 (dual Bernoulli drives; case identical to old IBM PC XT; no controller or media) * IBM 2.10 DOS manual (only, binder w/slide box cover in very good condition, but no disks) * Heathkit H-9 Terminal Assembly Manual (like new; sorry no schematic) * SupraModem 2400 + power supply + docs * Intel 80522PX300512EC Pentium II 300Mhz MMX processor (spare) I also have the following items for Atari ST systems, but alas, no ST to test them with: * Atari MegaFile 30 hard disk (no cable; it has a diskette with it that I assume is driver and/or tools; spins up and makes healthy noises, but that's all I can do with it) * Atari SF314 floppy drive (no power supply) * Original Atari ST Computer Owner's Manual * Original Atari ST BASIC Sourcebook and Tutorial (manual) * MonitorMaster monitor switch for Atari 520/1040 (switchbox w/cable) * ComputerEyes Video Digitizer for Atari 1040 (expansion box w/composite video input + diskette) * Navarone ST Sound Digitizer for Atari 1040 (maybe 520? original carton, expansion box + diskette) * As a bundle, assorted software and games, includes: - Word Perfect for Atarai ST (disks only) * Timeworks Data Manager with Report Writer & Super Graphics for Atari 1040ST (original box + disk + docs) - Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards for Atari ST (original box + disk + manuals and inserts) - Aliants for Atari ST (1987, StarSoft Development Labs, game disk + hint disk), includes Pirates of the Barbary Coast (jacks + disks) - Ray Tobey's SkyFox for Atari ST (jacket + disks) - Accolade Test Drive for Atari ST (exotic car driving game, requires color; original box + disks) - Easel/ST for Atari ST (diskette only, says "Use any picture as the background on the GEM desktop"--whoo hoo... stop 'em before they kill again folks) - Smooth Talker speech synthesizer for Atari ST (requires color monitor and TOS in ROM; original box + manual + disk) - ColorBurst 3000 for Atari 520/1040ST (requires color monitor; GEM graphics enhancer; does not work with Mega ST ROMs) Now, I need/would like the following items: * SWTPC DC-4 Floppy Drive Controller * SWTPC MF-68 Diskette subsystem (missing drives OK) * SS-50 and SS-30 prototyping cards * Heath/Zenith H-77 or H-87 external drive enclosure (missing drives OK) * Vintage-era floppy drive enclosure for 5-1/4" full height drives--I need one two-drive enclosure, preferably metal, with power supply; two single-drive enclosures would be OK; specifically anything similar to this http://www.bowkera.com/north_star_computers.htm (single enclosure) or this http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/MF_68/MF_68_Index.htm (dual enclosure, preferred); * Any unusual expansion board for the Heath/Zenith H/Z-88/89/90 (particularly third-party stuff, graphics, clock, etc.) * Any peripheral for the Rockwell AIM-65 (especially floppy controller) * ETA-3400 expansion unit for the Heathkit ET-3400 trainer * KIM-1 peripherals and expansion * Triple-output digital bench power supply, current limiting + short protection Please contact me OFF LIST if you'd like to arrange a trade at (patrick)(at)(evocative)(dot)(com). I am happy to publish pictures of any item. Offers for outright purchase of any item will be gladly entertained, but priority will be given to traders, so non-trade purchase offers will be held until Sunday 27-Jul. Patrick

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PDP-8E

by marvin＠rain.org

We had our annual ham club Electronic Bazaar today, and while browsing around, I found a PDP-8E sitting there sans cards but with power supply and backplane. I hadn't planned on collecting DEC stuff any more, but it was too good to pass up. Now to check out the power supply, put it together and see if I can find a set of cards for it! Lots of other computer junque including a number of older computers. The remnants are sitting on a trailer in the back yard, and I should get a chance to check it out tomorrow! ------------------------------------------- ebaY's Security Breach and Coverup http://www.auctionguild.com/generic110.html SellYourItem.com - Your Member Driven Auction Community! http://www.sellyouritem.com

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RLV11 in VAX 4000-400?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 11, 12:02, Jochen Kunz wrote: > I can see the two small lines going to BC1 and BD2 on the M8013. > Do you know what these signals are used for? (You mean BC1 and BD1, not BD2) No, but it's nothing that's used in any normal system. They don't connect to the M8014, nor to anything a standard 18-bit system can access (they're SSPARE4 and SSPARE5 bus lines, normally unused, although the 11/03 and soe contemporary options did put odd signals there). My guess is they're for some manufacturing test, because a quick perusal of the RLV11 Technical Manual didn't tell me anthing either. > If I see this correct, they don't go to the M8014. They just put some > signals onto the bus. So some sugery would solve the problem? The M8013 I just pulled from one of my (22-bit PDP-11) systems has those two tracks cut, and it's been working fine since I've had it (almost 15 years). If you hold the M8013 component side up, with the contact fingers towards you, they're the two thin tracks in the shape of an inverted "L" which come from the 15th and 16th contacts on the third set. They're cut about halfway between the contact finger and the corner of the inverted "L". I've had a look, but I can't find the ECO relating to this. Either my microfiche is too old (quite likely -- it only lists up to CS Rev F and my RLV11 is Rev H) or I saw it somewhere like in one of the Micronotes (which I no longer have, and sadly the ones available online are only a fraction of the total issued). > > That fixes the electrical > > problem, but whether you can find a VAX OS that knows to only use DMA > > in the bottom 256K of memory is another matter. > This would fit to NetBSD. NetBSD uses only one softwareinterface > for UniBus and QBus... Go for it... -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Old Mac Video Grabber

by aw288＠osfn.org

I have an old Ensemble Multibuffer DS-2 for an old Macintosh. This is a 1U rackmount device, capable of grabbing 2 frames with studio quality. I suppose it was neato stuff years ago, and probably cost a mint. Last time I played with it (years ago), it worked fine, but I see no point in keeping it anymore. Anyone need a high end doodad for your classic Mac? I have the buffer, floppies, and even old and "new" EPROMs for the Ethernet, as well as an extra Ethernet board. Everything seems in very nice condition, but as I said, it has been years since I played with it, and I don't have a classic Mac anymore to test it. Any takers at a 20 dollar bill plus shipping? William Donzelli Carmel, NY aw288(a)osfn.org

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Early,Nixdorf personal computer

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Not exactly an early one ... I guess in a few years they try >to sell us 486es as 'early' PCs :) Why not, a friend of mine that is employeed as a IT manager told me the other day about an unlabeled computer he wanted to give me that had "antique memory" in it. I was all excited wondering what he might have that could be "antique". It turned out to be a generic Pentium 90 with 72 pin SIMMs!!! -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Anybody on here do anything with the OLD intel IN-xxxx memories

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I found two old Intel memory cards yesterday. They look like the In-7000, IN-1600, In-40 series stuff but are shorter. These are the same width and use the same connector but are only about 61/2" tall instead of 10+ inches. FWIW They use a 100 pin connector that appears to be the same as that used on the S-100 cards but the cards are smaller. These cards are marked "IN 481 Intel 1975" and I don't show them in any of my intel catalogs. They have 4 rows of 8 each C2107C memories (4k x 1 D RAMs). Anybody need them? I doubt I'll ever have a use for them. Joe

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VCF 6.0

by vcf＠siconic.com

VCF 6.0 October 11-12 Hosted by the Computer History Museum More details forthcoming... -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Two PDP-11 Related projects.

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I'm currently working on a pair of projects to reconstruct some data that isn't really available anywhere. The biggest thing I'm attempting to do is collect all of the PDP-11 OS to Layered Products Cross Reference data (this would be found in the SPD's). So far I have information for the following OS's: RSTS/E V7.1, V7.2, V8.0 RSX-11M V4.0, V4.1 RSX-11M-PLUS V2.0, V2.1 RT-11 V4.0, V5.0, V5.4, V5.4d/e/f/g, and V5.5 The result so far is available at http://zane.brouhaha.com/~healyzh/PDP-11_OS_to_Layered_xref.pdf To clarify what I'm talking about by Cross Reference, here is one for some RT-11 Versions. (the rest of the message can be found after this table) RT-11 Software Cross Reference Table This table has been prepared to assist in determining which RT-11 optional software products are supported by Versions 5.4, 5.4d, 5.4e, 5.4f, 5.4g and 5.5 of RT-11. Refer to the appropriate SPD for all other details on a particular product. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ RT-11 (SPD 12.01.xx) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Optional Software SPD No. V5.4 V5.4d V5.4e V5.4f V5.4g V5.5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ BASIC-PLUS/RT-11 12.05.xx 3.0 3.1 3.1 3.1 3.1 3.2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ DECnet-RT 10.72.xx 2.1 2.1 2.1 2.1 2.1 2.1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FMS-11/RT-11 12.22.xx 1.2 1.2 1.2 1.2 1.2 N/A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FORTRAN-IV/RT-11 12.10.xx 2.6 2.8 2.8 2.8 2.8 2.8 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FORTRAN-77/RT-11 A3.55.xx 5.0A 5.0A 5.0A 5.0A 5.0A 5.0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MU BASIC-11/RT-11 12.20.xx 2.2 2.2 N/A N/A N/A N/A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The following product contains RT-11: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ RT-11 (SPD 12.01.xx) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Optional Software SPD No. V5.4 V5.4d V5.4e V5.4f V5.4g V5.5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CTS-300 12.09.xx 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.2 Zane RT-11 ---------- OS-11 1972 RT-11 V1 1973 RT-11 V2 1974 RT-11 V2B (date on pack 23-Jul-1975) RT-11 V2C 1976 (date on pack 20-Nov-1975) RT-11 V3 1977 RT-11 V3A RT-11 V3B (maybe 11-Mar-1978) RT-11 V4 February 21st, 1980 RT-11 V4C (maybe 12-Mar-1982) RT-11 V5 March 12th, 1983 RT-11 V5.1 1984 01-Feb-1984 RT-11 V5.2 1985 17-Jun-1985 RT-11 V5.3 1986 20-Dec-1985 RT-11 V5.4 1987 03-Sep-1986 RT-11 V5.4A RT-11 V5.4B RT-11 V5.4C RT-11 V5.4D 17-Nov-1987 RT-11 V5.4E 01-May-1988 RT-11 V5.4F RT-11 V5.4G December, 1988 19-Dec-1988 RT-11 V5.5 October, 1989 31-Oct-1989 RT-11 V5.6 1992 31-Aug-1992 RT-11 V5.7 October, 29th, 1998 RSTS/E --------------- RSTS V6B 1977 RSTS V10.0 July, 1990 RSTS V10.1 September, 1992 RSX-11M --------------- RSX-11M V3.2 ~1979 MicroRSX --------------- 1984 RSX-11M-PLUS --------------- RSX-11M+ V1 1980? DOS-11 --------------- IAS --------------- IAS V1 1977? -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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Need help with an Infotek memory card

by swperk＠earthlink.net

Hello, I have an HP 9816S with an Infotek Systems memory card in it. The card is either misconfigured or defective, because I get the classic "memory missing" error on startup. Anyway, I'd like to find out whatever I can about this card, especially the jumper and DIP switch settings. It's the standard HP 9000 Series 200/300 expansion board, with "Infotek Systems AM 210 Memory" silkscreened on the PC board. There is also a label applied to another part of the board that says "AM 242". It has a four position DIP switch that I assume is to set the memory start address, and another set of four 2-position jumpers located adjacent to the DIP switch. It has 32 sets of 22 pin in-line sockets for memory modules, and there are 16 of these sockets populated, each with a module containing four 256 Kbit chips. The modules are paired up, so that sockets 1 and 2 are occupied, 3 and 4 are open, 5 and 6 are occupied, etc. Counting all the bits suggests to me that there are 2 MBytes installed on this board, with room for an additional 2 MBytes. Is Infotek Systems still around? Last I heard, they were in Anaheim, CA, but I can find no listing for them. Any and all help is appreciated! Thanks, Stan

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RLV11 in VAX 4000-400?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 11, 7:50, Jochen Kunz wrote: > > Can I use a RLV11 in a VAX 4000-400? > > The pdp11-field-guide.txt says: > RLV11 RLV11 Q RL01/02 disk controller option, consists of > RLV11 modules M8013 and M8014. Q/CD-only option. > RLV11 18-bit DMA only. Caution: uses BC1 and BD1 > RLV11 for purposes other than BDAL18 and BDAL19 > > The VAX 4000-400 has a 22 bit Qbus (all slots are Q/CD). So it looks > like this can't work due to the 22 bit bus that uses BC1 and BD1? The best solution is to use an RLV12. However I vaguely remember seeing somewhere an ECO which involves cutting two tracks, to disconnect the signals the RLV11 puts on the BC1 and BD1 fingers (unless I'm thinking of some other device). That fixes the electrical problem, but whether you can find a VAX OS that knows to only use DMA in the bottom 256K of memory is another matter. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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RLV11 in VAX 4000-400?

by jkunz＠unixag-kl.fh-kl.de

Hi. Can I use a RLV11 in a VAX 4000-400? The pdp11-field-guide.txt says: RLV11 RLV11 Q RL01/02 disk controller option, consists of RLV11 modules M8013 and M8014. Q/CD-only option. RLV11 18-bit DMA only. Caution: uses BC1 and BD1 RLV11 for purposes other than BDAL18 and BDAL19 The VAX 4000-400 has a 22 bit Qbus (all slots are Q/CD). So it looks like this can't work due to the 22 bit bus that uses BC1 and BD1? -- tsch??, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/

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Teh over priced Mark-8/IBM 5100 is back

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

The seller is the overpriced systems and swiped descriptions and photos is back. <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2544091022&category=12> Is this the same seller ID or a new one? Joe

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Older wordprocessing software

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

> > Windows 3.11 > 1. Replace Windows with an operating system. E.g. Linux or NetBSD. > (Especially the later runs very well on older hardware with non-GHz CPUs > and only a few MB RAM.) > You may skip this step if you are not willing to wrap your head around > Unix. Ahh, been there though. I did run Linux on this very same laptop for a while - I believe it was AbiWord I used as a basic GUI-based wordprocessor for my scribbles. At the time, one problem was the lack of CDROM drive on the machine for getting any large software onto it. The only parallel-port drive I had access to was a Microsolutions Backpack, and no matter what I tried it refused to work with Linux. No problems there under DOS / Win311. Second problem was one of performance - the linux distributions that were around a couple of years ago tended to be aimed at slightly faster hardware. I do still have old distributions lying around back to around 1994 or so (I remember the days of SLS on 50 or so floppies - it was always guaranteed *one* of the disks would be dead, usually near the end of the pile :) but then I'd have all sorts of compatibility problems with any modern software. Alternately I could trim down a more modern version of Linux - but that's a lot of effort for something that just gets used for casual note-taking now and then. Third problem is also performance-related, and down to the time it takes Linux - or any modern MS operating system - to start up and shut down. If I just want to spend a couple of minutes typing some notes, I don't want to be taking the same length of time waiting for the machine to boot and then shut down again at the end. With DOS / Win311 the startup and shutdown is extremely quick. Maybe there's a version of NetBSD that gets round the second problem, but I bet it still takes a lot longer than DOS/Windows does to boot and shut down. > I used several WYSIWYG text processing software at that time > (WordPerfect, AmiPro, StarWriter, ...) and they all sucked. Wordperfect 6.0 I assume, 5.1 not being particularly WYSIWYG as I recall :-) And yes, from memory 6.0 did suck; all these posts have reminded me of all the wordprocessing software I'd forgotten about. I used to use 5.1 a *lot* under DOS until I started running Windows 3 on the PC I had back then. I have a horrible feeling the negative thing I vaguely recall about Ami Pro was its stability, at least in the version I had :-( Maybe there were later releases with the problems ironed out, or it was just some odd problem with the machine I had back then. If I can trace a copy then I'll find out I suppose... Someone mentioned DisplayWrite too - arghh! That had totally faded from my memory. My father's work made it their standard for a while; I should have access to a copy in theory but I have no plans to try and track that one down... :-) cheers Jules ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/

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hp 5036A Lab

by roy.harbert＠adelphia.net

Do you still have loose bound copies of the manual? I would be glad to scan and post them as I am in need of them myself. I just purchased a lab from eBay, but it came with no manual or processor. Do you happen to know if there are any micro's floating around?? Thanks for your time, Roy

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PC-7221

by brodie＠goulburn.net.au

Mike, I also have a Sharp lunch box computer and have tried to get a boot disk or config disk. Have you had any luck ? Regards Brodie

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Up for bid - More 'classic' goodies

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Shameless plug alert! I've got a few items in my latest crop of auctions that may be of interest to those of you running MicroVAX, MicroPDP, or IBM PS/2 Model 70 or 80 systems. First off, there's an IBM 'Blue Lightning' CPU upgrade kit, unused and still in its original packaging. This takes a 386 PS/2 system up to IBM's 486DLC. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=2740760908 Second is another Maxtor XT2190 drive, which I'm told is the same as a DEC RD54. Don't know for sure what shape it's in, but I recall it was a pull from an old PC (which got scrapped). http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=2740802251 Finally, there's a DEC RRD40 CD-ROM drive (the one with the psychotic D-sub 15 connector on its case). http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=2740796077 There's other non-classic (and non-computer) stuff as well, if you're curious. No reserve on anything, some stuff listed as 'buy-it-now.' Thanks for looking. Anyway, hit E-pay and do a seller search -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Taki Kogoma, aka Gym Z. Quirk)

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OT: Realtek; Was Re: Windoze crash (was Re: Well, I was at Fry's in CA...)

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> wrote: > Interesting. I have had very odd performance with Realtek cards on FreeBSD. Um, you have read the comments near the head of /usr/src/sys/pci/if_rl.c, haven't you? -Frank McConnell

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OT: Realtek; Was Re: Windoze crash (was Re: Well, I was at Fry's in CA...)

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Mark Firestone <nedry(a)mail.bedlambells.com> wrote: > Aww. They aren't the worst cheapo card I've been forced to buy in my > career, as in they actually work, if slowly. > > What do you want for ?9 I just get something of a chuckle out of people who figure all Ethernet cards are alike. Perhaps they have forgotten the lessons of the 3Com 3C50[01]. -Frank McConnell

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Older wordprocessing software (XyWrite)

by elf＠ucsd.edu

On Tue, 08-Jul-2003, @ 08:20:50 -0400, Gene Ehrich wrote: >What ever happened to XyWrite, was it acquired by another company? Yeah - something like that. XyWrite's history of commercial development took a few odd turns, and suffered the consequences of some marketing mishaps. A web page w/some decent info on XyWrite can be found @ http://www.escape.com/~yesss/_xywhat.htm (This is not my web site, BTW.) Regards, Eric

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Looking for new maintainer for DECVAX.ORG and PDP11.ORG

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Hey, everyone. I resubscribed to cctalk tonight. I'm way too swamped lately (in fact, for the past year or two) to adequately maintain the PDP11.ORG and DECVAX.ORG domain(s) and web sites. I'm looking for someone, fairly involved with the community, who would like to take over ownership of the domains, web sites, etc. I can keep hosting the DNS (if you wish), or provide secondary/backup DNS if needed. I just don't have the time to work on them anymore, and have moved away from older DEC stuff. My only "requirement" is that whomever takes over this project (whether it be one person, or two people; one for VAX and one for PDP) is that you put some effort into it, that you be knowledgeable about the subject matter, and that you don't just let the sites languish. Getting reimbursed for the $30 I've spent on renewing the domains this year would be nice, but not required. 8-) I've also got about a truck-full (maybe a station wagon load, maybe less) of old DEC documentation, handbooks, software on paper tape, a disc pack or two... Jeff Sharp has seen my garage. 8-) I can't ship any of it (unless you provide a FedEx or UPS account number to bill to), and would like to avoid throwing it in the trash. At least 3-4 "storage tubs" of manuals and documentation, a mixed VMS 4/5 "orange wall", and various other things. If you're interested, please contact me by email. I don't have time for DEC/PDP stuff anymore, and need the space in my garage back - but want it all to go to someone worthwhile. Bill -- bill bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net austin, texas

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New Finds: SWTPC :-)

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

A friend of mine picked up about 30 boxs of electronics parts, data books, evaluation kits, parts samples, etc at a local flea market last week. Today I was helping him go through the stuff and I spotted some familar looking boards. I picked one up and remarked that it looked like something for the SWTPCs. Then THE very next board that I picked up was marked "SWTPC" so I knew I was onto somehting good. I dug through the boxs and got 6+ boxs of disks with software for the FLEX OS (used on the SWTPCs) and found six circuit boards for the SWTPCs. Here's the list: (1) SWTPC MP-09 - Replacement CPU board for the SWTPC computers, uses 6809 CPU. This is a MP-09, not an A or B. (2) A Southeastern Micro Systems DDC-16 Floppy Drive Controller. (3) A Tanner Computers SS-50 64k memory board, uses 2716 EPROMs or 6116 S RAMs. This one has the S RAMS installed. (4) A SWTPC MP-R 2716 EPROM burner card. (5) A SWTPC MP-T Interrupt Timer board. It's implemented with a 5009 programmable counter/ divider and 6820 PIA ICs and provides software selectable interrupts of 1 usec, 10 usec, 100 usec, 1 msec, 10 msec, 20 msec, 100 msec, 1 sec, 10 sec, 100 sec, 1 min, 10 min or 1 hour. (6) A Gimix 2 port Serial Interface board. Fits the SS-30 socket and uses two MC68B50s. I found everything else described on Michal Holley's SWTPC site but not this one. Does anyone have any details on it? Pretty good haul, specailly considering that I didn't have to go anywhere and find it :-) Joe

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OT: Realtek; Was Re: Windoze crash (was Re: Well, I was at Fry's in CA...)

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> wrote: > On 8 Jul 2003, Frank McConnell wrote: > > I just get something of a chuckle out of people who figure all > > Ethernet cards are alike. Perhaps they have forgotten the lessons of > > the 3Com 3C50[01]. > > What lesson was that? I thought they were fine. At least I never had > problems with them. I am pleased to be able to say that I no longer remember the details, but the problem was something like that the card had enough room in its buffer to hold no more than one received packet. If you sent it another one before the processor on its end got around to reading the packet out of it, one packet or the other got dropped (I'm thinking the one in the buffer got dropped so that the new one could be buffered). If you didn't want any packets to get dropped, you needed to be careful to not overrun the buffer by having more than one packet outstanding. Keep in mind that this was 1987 or so and PC clock speeds were right around Ethernet bus speed, so the PC couldn't get the packets out of the buffer as quickly as the network could put them there. If someone else out there remembers more, please do feel free to jump in. -Frank McConnell

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American Automation EZ-Pro development system

by arlen＠acm.org

This microprocessor development system dating from the early 80s includes a hardware in-circuit emulator for the Motorola 68HC11. I'd like to get it running but I have no documents or software. Can anyone help? The main box is model number AA-547 and I believe it hooks up by serial cable to a host PC. Besides the external ICE hardware, there's also a small prom programmer box hanging off the system. Thanks in advance, Arlen Michaels

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Wanted: RL02 Working...

by cvendel＠att.net

Hi everyone, I found a place on the East Coast selling RL02's and RLV12's for $120, anyone in the NJ/NY/CT/MA/RI area (basically anyone in like a 3hr driving radius of me) have an RL02 they want to sell cheap??? I'd like to pick the unit up and save myself the $100 shipping charge (plus the worries of it bouncing around in the back of a UPS or Fedex Ground truck!) So I'd be willing to pay someone in my area $100 for a drive and $20 for an RLV12 if you have them and they are known working, please let me know, thanks!!! Also I'm still looking for an RM05 or CDC9976 300MB Disk Pak drive, if someone in my area has one that I could take on loan for 1 week and return for a $$$ Rental Fee, I'd be willing to work something out with them. Thanks, Curt

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Older wordprocessing software

by evan＠flextech.net

Jules, I still have most of those old versions of WordPerfect 5.1 DOS, WordPerfect 6.0 for both DOS and Windows (the file formats are identical, BTW), MS Office 4.3 for Win3x, AmiPro/Samna, and even (gasp) MultiMate. I have *several* copies of the WordPerfect 5.1 manuals, along with some old Lotus 1-2-3 v2.3 and Harvard Graphics manuals (and the software for those also). Personally, I was a WordPerfect aficionado (because of the DOS/WIN file format matching). Hated Word, and used AmiPro/Samna for legal documents (best on the planet back then). Most are on 5-1/4", a few are on 3-1/2", and Office is on CD. Let me know privately what you need and we'll work out a way to get it to you. Evan Pauley ---------- You wrote: Hi all, perhaps pusing the boundaries of off-topicness here a little, but... I'm taking suggestions for wordprocessing software to run on an older 486 laptop (1994, so almost within the 10 year limit!) that's running Windows 3.11 ... I still use the machine for a bit of wordprocessing ocassionally (such as it is with Windows Write), and better software would be nice. The laptop's handy for taking stuff down on before formatting things 'properly' on a more modern desktop. I remember Ami Pro being quite reasonable on a similar spec desktop machine, but my copy went to tape years ago and around half of the old tapes of mine that I found recently are no longer readable :-( Suggestions of alternative software welcome though... cheers Jules

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OS uptimes

by phil＠ultimate.com

> From: Peter Hicks <pwh(a)poggs.co.uk> > However, this beats all of them: > > Uptime is 1048 days, 12 hours, 12 minutes > cat6500-1> > > This is a Catalyst 6506 switch ... Somehow an embeded box that doesn't have to run arbitrary and buggy programs seems like cheating! Here's the uptime on a old VAXstation just before a scheduled power outage: $ sho sys VAX/VMS V6.1 on node BUMMER 10-MAY-2002 16:02:42.38 Uptime 1099 02:42:54 1099 days. Admittedly it spends most of it's time sitting quietly in a corner. Looking at: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html The top 3 current entries appear to show 1500+ The top is 1751 on a BSD/OS system. The FAQ indicates they can't detect more than 497 days of uptime on some operating systems. Another site is: http://www.uptimes.nu/index.php?area=statistics But the highest uptime is suspect: "31y 335d 20h 15m (FreeBSD 4.8-RC)" since FreeBSD 4.8 came out within the last year! -phil

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SCSI bit-banging

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi all, I guess we all remember this boards attached to ataris/commodores/apples, where we had a PIA/parallel port to attach some of the nice SCSI disks. However, I don't find anything about this old bit-banging interfaces on the net. Any links ? cheers

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Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory

by zmerch＠30below.com

I don't think this machine is *quite* 10 years old yet, but it's pretty close -- and it's 'different' enough that hopefully I won't get flamed... I have a DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP which is currently sitting idle -- it has Tru64 Unix 5.0 on it currently, and 64Meg of RAM. I was thinking of putting Alpha VMS 7.1 instead, for to start learning VMS again (someday... :-O ) and I recall saying that Alpha VMS is much happier in more than 64M Ram, so I was thinking of upgrading it. I do know that it uses 'standard' 72-pin Parity FPM Memory - but what I don't know is: how finicky is the machine? Will just any Parity memory work, or is it limited to certain manufacturers? I have a supplier that has used 32M Parity 72-pin FPM memory for $6/stick -- a decent price comparatively - I've seen it at $30+ per stick, which would make a memory upgrade cost more than the machine itself... I have no idea what they have for manufacturers of the memory - these guys prolly don't, either. It's a reputable company (I've ordered from them before) but they don't get too deep with the specifics. (WRT another OT thread: They have 3Com 905C-TX NICS for $10 each...) Should I take the chance and order the memory, or would it be foolhardy to do so? Thanks, Roger "Merch" Merchberger

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Kontron LA 32A hard drive?

by owad＠applefritter.com

I have Kontron LA 32A Logic Analyzer that complains about no boot disk on startup. It has two drive bays, the first of which has a floppy drive and the second of which is empty. Does anybody know what software I'd need to get this running or would be willing to make copies? Thanks, Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

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Items available

by Joel.E.Bradley＠syntegra.com

I have the following items available. Please e-mail me directly at joel.bradley(a)comcast.net if interested: Sony PIC-1000 Magic Link with software (PDA circa 1994) Control Data Corporation Cyber 960 Framed and Matted photograph (approx 24" x 20") Control Data Corporation Cyber 960 Matted photograph, No Frame (approx 24" x 20") Control Data Corporation 3 - Ring Binder (many available) Control Data Corporation White Coffee Mugs (individual or set available) Control Data Corporation Legal Pad portfolio, brown leather-like material. NICE! Microsoft Excel 2.2 for Macintosh - MINT IN BOX, still shrinkwrapped! ------ Joel

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Older wordprocessing software

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Hi all, perhaps pusing the boundaries of off-topicness here a little, but... I'm taking suggestions for wordprocessing software to run on an older 486 laptop (1994, so almost within the 10 year limit!) that's running Windows 3.11 ... I still use the machine for a bit of wordprocessing ocassionally (such as it is with Windows Write), and better software would be nice. The laptop's handy for taking stuff down on before formatting things 'properly' on a more modern desktop. I remember Ami Pro being quite reasonable on a similar spec desktop machine, but my copy went to tape years ago and around half of the old tapes of mine that I found recently are no longer readable :-( Suggestions of alternative software welcome though... cheers Jules ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/

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Older wordprocessing software

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

C>Copy con foo.txt<CR> Foo bar baz<CR> Testing^Z<CR> C> -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Pope [mailto:bpope@wordstock.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:08 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Older wordprocessing software And thusly Joe spake: > > >What about DisplayWrite?? :) > > > >*ducking and sprinting for cover* > > > >Cheers, > > > >Bryan > > > > Geez, why not just use Edlin? :-/ > > Joe Hey I forgot about that wonderful creation! But then there is also: C:>copy < document.txt (I think it goes this way...) Cheers, Bryan

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Older wordprocessing software

by elf＠ucsd.edu

On Mon, Jul 7, 08:36:00, 2003, Jules Richardson wrote: >I remember Ami Pro being quite reasonable on a similar spec desktop machine, >but my copy went to tape years ago and around half of the old tapes of mine >that I found recently are no longer readable :-( > >Suggestions of alternative software welcome though... XyWrite comes to mind: low resource requirements, yet oodles of formatting options. It takes a bit of time and practice to build up some speedy chops, so it may not be the panacea you're looking for. I do know, however, that XyWrite's format can be successfully converted into (many of) today's common word processing formats. Regards, Eric

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TI 990 Page and simulator

by jbdigriz＠dragonsweb.org

Dunno if everyone has seen this, but there is a fairly new 990 web page up by David PItts, who has written a simulator and cross-development tools for Linux and Windows. It might be interesting to take something like this, or M.E.S.S. or one of the other simulators, and reimplement the DX10 4A dev tools. Maybe somebody might even still have them around somewhere. Hmmm. http://www.cozx.com/~dpitts/ti990.html later, jbdigriz

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iUP-201 PC software

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Tim If someone else doesn't get you anything, I can write something for you. I think you can easily drive it from the printer port with an adapter cable( I've not totaled the signals needed ). Some of the newer boards require sequencing that I don't have information on but for cards that program things like 1702A's or 2708's, I have info on the sequences needed. Dwight >X-Authentication-Warning: huey.classiccmp.org: mailnull set sender to cctalk-admin using -f >From: "Tim Shaw" <T.Shaw(a)corp.amc.edu.au> >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: iUP-201 PC software > >Hi Robert >I found your request for modules for a iUP201 Universal Programmer. >I have just dusted off a iUP-201 we have had sitting on a shelf for as long >as anyone here can remember. >I cant help you with modules but I would be very grateful if you could help >me with software to drive it from a PC. >I need to use it to read the contents of a 2732 EPROM from an engine volume >generator I hope to update. > >regards > >Tim Shaw T.Shaw(a)corp.amc.edu.au >Senior Technical Officer (Elect) +61-3-63354805 Ph >Technical Services +61-3-63266493 Fax >Australian Maritime College www.amc.edu.au

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Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> I don't think this machine is *quite* 10 years old yet, but it's pretty > close -- and it's 'different' enough that hopefully I won't get flamed... I'm not sure, but I think it's just over 10 years old, if not, as you say it's pretty close. > I have a DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP which is currently sitting idle -- it has > Tru64 Unix 5.0 on it currently, and 64Meg of RAM. I was thinking of putting > Alpha VMS 7.1 instead, for to start learning VMS again (someday... :-O ) > and I recall saying that Alpha VMS is much happier in more than 64M Ram, so > I was thinking of upgrading it. You can run it in 64MB, but it isn't fun. > I do know that it uses 'standard' 72-pin Parity FPM Memory - but what I > don't know is: how finicky is the machine? Will just any Parity memory > work, or is it limited to certain manufacturers? I have a supplier that has > used 32M Parity 72-pin FPM memory for $6/stick -- a decent price > comparatively - I've seen it at $30+ per stick, which would make a memory > upgrade cost more than the machine itself... You're sure that it uses 72-pin? I'm honestly not sure, I know that the 3000/300LX does, but the 3000/x00 (can't remember the exact model) that a friend has sitting in my Living room till she finds a drive for it, uses proprietary RAM. Anyway, I've used various 72-pin FPM SIMMs in my Alpha's and haven't had any problems that I can think of. Which isn't to say that you won't have problems. The other question is, can it handle 32MB SIMMs, and how many do you have to add at once? BTW, 128MB is probably more than enough to just play. > Should I take the chance and order the memory, or would it be foolhardy to > do so? Do you deal with anyone that scraps PC's? I'm using some RAM out of Pentium Pro's in a couple of my Alpha's. Zane

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Looking for Digital Channel Server II (DESNB)

by dittman＠dittman.net

Does anyone have an old Digital Channel Server II (DESNB) sitting around unused? If so, please let me know. I have someone that needs one and is willing to pay if it works. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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Replacement CFX-200 Buttons

by wrawbee＠hotmail.com

The best way to replace the buttons on a CFX-200 is to buy a used CD-401. This is an earlier metal databank watch that uses the exact same case, buttons and band as the CFX-200. The buttons are easily transferrable. You can buy a CD-401 relatively inexepensively through Ebay. I recently purchased one for $24.00 (US). You cannot order these parts. When lookin for one, the key words should be Casio and "calculator" or "data bank." _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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OS uptimes

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

A few posts back there was something about a sun box staying up six months? Humm which release of Solaris was it that 'fixed' a documented 30,000 bugs? There's a saying about wherever you see one cockroach there is 1000 more hidden... *grin* Anyways... that got me thinking so I had to check. I popped into one of our FreeBSD web servers. It hosts a fair number of high volume sites (stevewinwood.com, kellerwilliams.net, and some stringcheeseincident support sites)... the current uptime is.... 5:43PM up 353 days yeahhhhh baby! Jay West

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Teh over priced Mark-8/IBM 5100 is back

by David.Kane＠aph.gov.au

I think we should give this guy his very own wet dream. I will bid one MILLION dollars for it (left small finger in mouth), and someone else can bid a few buck less. That should be a good laugh for him. David -----Original Message----- From: Dwight K. Elvey [mailto:dwightk.elvey@amd.com] Sent: Tuesday, 8 July 2003 9:06 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Teh over priced Mark-8/IBM 5100 is back "He's Back!" It looks like the same fellow with a new name. That'd be my guess. Who was it that contacted eBay last time? Maybe he should drop them another note. As a side question, weren't most of the front panels for the Mark-8's home made. In which case you couldn't use someone else's photo. Dwight >From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net> > >> The seller is the overpriced systems and swiped descriptions and photos >>is back. >><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2544091022&categor y=12> >>Is this the same seller ID or a new one? > >I'm really curious what exactly he is selling. The listing doesn't say >that ANYTHING is really for sale. Although whatever the nothing is, its >$50 for shipping, and $5,000 to insure it (wow, it costs more to insure >it than to buy it!) > >-chris ><http://www.mythtech.net>

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OS uptimes

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

<Geek> Had a sparc IPC with almost 4 years of uptime, until the mainboard died :( </Geek>

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Cray X-MP ENgraved I/O SS Access Door For Sale

by Mark.Jackson＠artsfest.org.uk

Hi There, I have a Cray Research I/O Sub System metal access door from a Cray X-MP that I reluctantly wish to sell. If you click on the link below you will see a picture of the machine and also in the distance, you will see the silver access door. If you make the pic bigger you will see it properly. It is engraved 'Cray Research Inc - I/O Subsystem'. I also have all the fittings for the door, ie the hinges and the magnetic contact strip. I don't want to sell it but unfortunately I need the cash. Would you be interested? email me at mrjackson99_uk(a)yahoo.co.uk http://www.cbi.umn.edu/exhibits/cray/crayxmp.html Thanks Mark

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CBM PET Software (&H/W)

by mhstein＠canada.com

I've got a few boxes of PET S/W somewhere (diskettes, ROMS and tapes), but whether after 25 years or so of sitting in a damp basement & wet garage the hardware still works (or if I can remember how) to copy it is another question; what sort of S/W are you looking for? Assuming the hardware works, the diskettes shouldn't be a problem, nor the EPROMS, and I seem to recall making a "null-cassette" adapter to copy tapes; anybody remember that? Hmmm, archiving those on a CD, or e-mailing them, should be an interesting project... In fact, I also recall making a cassette port to cassette port cable to "network" two PETs; anybody ever try that? And of course the famous switch to switch an 8032 into 4032 mode for compatibility with all the 40 col stuff out there at the time. Well, my interest being revived, I just went out to the garage and found a 2001 covered in racoon s**t (fortunately with a plastic cover on it), with an MTU graphics board installed. That looks dead, but the 8032 in the basement with mushrooms growing on the floor fired up after all these years with that vaguely familiar start-up tinkle (no, I didn't bother to reform the PS caps :); lifted the cover and there's even a DEC modem inside, but don't ask me if or how THAT worked. Now to find the disk drives (and then there's the pile of C64s, VIC20s and monitors up at the cottage, some even brand new in the box from the days when I planned to replace some AIM65s with VIC20s in a quite successful industrial controller application, believe it or not, but by the time I finally got a round tuit, PC's had arrived). Ah, memories, however vague and distant... m --------------------Original Message------------------ From: "Chandra Bajpai" <cbajpai(a)comcast.net> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: RE: Fwd: RE: 8250 LP Double disk drive for the commodore 64 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 07:38:56 -0400 Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Can 8050 diskettes be read on the 8250 (can the 8250 sense single sided diskettes)? Which PET drive is compatible with 1571? Ethan...I've accumulated a lot of PET stuff, including a dozen 8032's, a dead SuperPET, some drives (including an 8250) and 3-8K PETs. Love to hear what you have? I wish I had some software! -Chandra

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Eagle computer question?

by grg2＠comcast.net

Well, I've done it now. I put an old Eagle computer up for auction, and I included a bit of history about "Eagle Conmputer", but now I wonder if I goofed up big-time on the history. As I recall, Many many years ago (around 1982?) I read in InfoWorld that Eagle Computer's president met a tragic end, just after the company went public, or get a big bunch of financing, or somesuch. Something along the lines of his car ran off the road after a celebratory party. If you've driven Hwy 17 at night (between San Jose and Scotts Valley), you know it's a real damp-armpits trip, even when sober. About 300 twisty turny bits, rising and falling, no streetlights, few guardrails, steep dropoffs. But now as I search the Web, I can't find any trace of this news item. Did I imagine it? Have I got the wrong company? Anybody recall? It's awful turning 50! Thanks, George

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iUP-201 PC software

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >Subject: Re: iUP-201 PC software > >Hey Dwight, > > If you write something, I'd like to get a copy too. I finally got a >working iuP 201. BTW I've been thinking of making a PC interface for the >UPP 103. I've finally got some docs on it and found out that it only uses >about six commands; three writes, two reads and one read status. I don't >know what they are but it should be too hard to grab the data with a logic >analyzer. I'm not planning on doing it anytime soon, right now I'm busy >re-building some MDSs. > > BTRW do you know if there was ever any software written for ISIS to >operate the iUP 201? Hi Joe I'm not sure. I wish Intel hadn't trashed the user library. It seems like every combination of thing was done by someone, at one time or the other. I still haven't had time to bring up my MDS800. I've been busy entertaining a visitor from Singapor for the last few weeks. I'm still working on the H89 to PC transfer software. I'm trying to figure out how to stop windoz from trashing serial data when I do direct port accesses to the serial. The code works otherwise. Dwight > > Joe > >At 10:26 AM 7/7/03 -0700, you wrote: >>Hi Tim >> If someone else doesn't get you anything, I can write something >>for you. I think you can easily drive it from the printer port >>with an adapter cable( I've not totaled the signals needed ). >> Some of the newer boards require sequencing that I don't have >>information on but for cards that program things like 1702A's >>or 2708's, I have info on the sequences needed. >>Dwight >> >>>X-Authentication-Warning: huey.classiccmp.org: mailnull set sender to >>cctalk-admin using -f >>>From: "Tim Shaw" <T.Shaw(a)corp.amc.edu.au> >>>To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >>>Subject: iUP-201 PC software >>> >>>Hi Robert >>>I found your request for modules for a iUP201 Universal Programmer. >>>I have just dusted off a iUP-201 we have had sitting on a shelf for as long >>>as anyone here can remember. >>>I cant help you with modules but I would be very grateful if you could help >>>me with software to drive it from a PC. >>>I need to use it to read the contents of a 2732 EPROM from an engine volume >>>generator I hope to update. >>> >>>regards >>> >>>Tim Shaw T.Shaw(a)corp.amc.edu.au >>>Senior Technical Officer (Elect) +61-3-63354805 Ph >>>Technical Services +61-3-63266493 Fax >>>Australian Maritime College www.amc.edu.au

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otrona parts?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 07:05 AM 7/3/03 -0600, Robert_Feldma wrote: >I finally remembered to pull out my Attache 8:16 last night. There _is_ a serial number on the outside, under the right front corner, below the "Attache" name (mine is 7840). It's stamped on a small metal plate and glued in a shallow recess, so it could have been lost. > >Bob Hey, You're right. I got mine out today and looked it does have the SN on the outside. It's on the bottom right in the front RH corner. I got the software today and it runs like a champ! Thanks for the help. Joe > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@cfl.rr.com] >Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 10:43 AM >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: otrona parts? > > > I've been playing with the Otrana Attache that I found last week. ><snip> > > FWIW I took it apart and checked it this morning and I noticed something >funny. The no serial number anywhere on the outside of it but inside >EVERYTHING has the serial number on it. The INSIDE of the case, the >monitor, both disk drives, the power supply, the sheet metal, etc are all >numbered 4616 but there's no number anywhere on the outside. > > Joe

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Windoze crash (was Re: Well, I was at Fry's in CA...)

by loedman1＠juno.com

Sellam observed, >Most versions of Windows up until XP were buggy as hell and a pain in the >ass to maintain. When I was running Windows 95, I had to reboot a few >times a week. When I switched to Windows 98, a few times a month. Now >I'm using XP, and I still have to reboot once in a while. Definitely an >improvement. But the fact is, most of us have become so jaded with MS >"operating systems" that we instinctively think of them as crap. >Now, the real question is, why do you take attacks against an operating >system personally? -- I too grew tired of the "Blue screen of death" on my horribly overclocked box running Windows 95a but with a wonderful program called Xteq I was able to end it forever, it is now the Red screen of death. Rich

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PDP-11 Freeware CDs for RSX-11 and RT-11 (Originally Produced by Tim Shoppa)

by jhfinexgs2＠compsys.to

I will make this post just a few more times since hobby users seem to see it on a random basis. In regard to the Freeware CDs for RSX-11 and RT-11 that Tim Shoppa originally produced: I am in the middle of finishing a third (very small) batch of CDs and could easily add a few additional copies. I will be making all copies of the CD images from: ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/cd-images/ http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RT-11/ http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RSX-11/ Since not everyone has both a high speed internet connection and a CD burner, I thought it would be helpful to make them available. If you have both requirements and are using Windows 98 SE / Nero Burning, I can help with the details if you don't know how to burn a CD from an "Image File". I have even been able to produce a label for each CD that is close to the original label from Tim Shoppa, although since they were scanned (THANK YOU FOR THE HELP), they are not perfect. They are available at $ 5 / $ 9 / $ 12 for 1 / 2 / 3 CDs. In addition, I understand that Memorex Black CD-Rs have a longer shelf life and are available at Business Depot. If anyone wants those instead, add $ 1 for each CD that you are requesting. Thus those amounts are $ 6 / $ 11 / $ 15 Please contact me directly for my snail mail address. I picked up some Memorex Black CD-R blanks and started on the copies for those who have already requested that a Black CD-R be used. Please include your snail mailing address!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In general, I will regard any funds you send as a gift so that if anyone really can't afford the CDs, please state why that is so. Outside of the US, probably about $ 2 should be sufficient for extra postage. All amounts are in US dollars. Please ask if you are not in the US. No point in converting twice. In addition, probably most people do not follow the exchange rate between the Canadian / US dollar, but the current rate is MUCH less favourable. If a 4th batch is ever made, the amounts to be sent will need to be changed. I will keep the amounts the same this time, but the $ 12 will become $ US 14 and the $ 15 will become $ US 18 based on the current exchange rate and adjusted at the time if the exchange rate changes again. Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year.

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Teh over priced Mark-8/IBM 5100 is back

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

"He's Back!" It looks like the same fellow with a new name. That'd be my guess. Who was it that contacted eBay last time? Maybe he should drop them another note. As a side question, weren't most of the front panels for the Mark-8's home made. In which case you couldn't use someone else's photo. Dwight >From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net> > >> The seller is the overpriced systems and swiped descriptions and photos >>is back. >><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2544091022&category=12> >>Is this the same seller ID or a new one? > >I'm really curious what exactly he is selling. The listing doesn't say >that ANYTHING is really for sale. Although whatever the nothing is, its >$50 for shipping, and $5,000 to insure it (wow, it costs more to insure >it than to buy it!) > >-chris ><http://www.mythtech.net>

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Teh over priced Mark-8/IBM 5100 is back

by cb＠mythtech.net

> The seller is the overpriced systems and swiped descriptions and photos >is back. ><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2544091022&category=12> >Is this the same seller ID or a new one? I'm really curious what exactly he is selling. The listing doesn't say that ANYTHING is really for sale. Although whatever the nothing is, its $50 for shipping, and $5,000 to insure it (wow, it costs more to insure it than to buy it!) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Boot original Mac from an external floppy?

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Is it possible to boot the original Macintosh, or perhaps the Mac 512K or >Mac Plus, from the external floppy drive? Yes. I seem to recall doing that on a regular basis with the 128k, and although I don't recall having ever booted from an external floppy with the Mac Plus, I have booted the Plus from the old Hard Disk 20 that used the floppy interface. So I would imagine that an external floppy drive would also be bootable on that machine. In fact, I thought (but could be wrong) that you could boot all Macs that had a floppy port via an external floppy disk. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Seeking info on AT&T Gemini-100 Electronic Blackboard

by vcf＠siconic.com

In the late 1970s, AT&T's Bell Labs invented the "electronic blackboard". It was basically a digitizing tablet that allowed one to draw and transmit images. Might anyone know where one exists? How about similar products prior to December 1979? When was the first digitizing tablet invented? This is research I'm conducting for a client, so any useful leads will be compensated. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Boot original Mac from an external floppy?

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Cool. So can I assume that if there is no disk in the internal drive, but >an external drive with bootable disk is attached, the Mac will find that >and boot from there? Correct. IIRC, the boot order is internal floppy, external floppy, internal SCSI, external SCSI. It *might* go internal floppy, internal SCSI, THEN external floppy, external SCSI. I know there are key combos you can hold down to get it to skip the internal SCSI which is why I'm thinking that might come before external floppys. It has been a LONG time since I have had to deal with external floppies (my only normal use external drive was a 400k drive, so the last time I seriously used one and would have had to boot from it was probably 1988 or so) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Early,Nixdorf personal computer

by vcf＠siconic.com

This is a PC clone basically. Normally found in Germany, and throughout Europe. Reply-to: 3cargrandma(a)earthlink.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:04:51 -0500 From: Shirley Miezwa <3cargrandma(a)earthlink.net> To: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> Subject: Early,Nixdorf personal computer. I have an old NIXDORF PERSONAL COMPUTER which came out in about 1987-88. maybe before then. I seem to have misplaced the DOS instructions. I do have serial #. It has a green display screen. and orange -ish- letters. It has a printer attached which heat prints on rolls of fax paper. It is in a suitcase style. It is located in my home in Mpls. Mn. I found it at a rummage sale in New England, I think it was in N.H. about 5 years ago. If their is a Market for it , I want to sell it .I have been told it might have GREAT value to the right person. If you can direct me to the right places to look,I would greatfully accept your help. I do have Poloride Pix I can e-mail if you are intrested. Thank You 3cargrandma(a)earthlink.net -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Substitute for DEC SS/QD Floppies

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

At 10:01 PM 6/11/03 -0500, you wrote: >On 10 Jun 2003, Barry Skidmore wrote: > > > I am looking for blank disks to use in a DEC RX50 drive. I have seen > > posted several places that DD disks can be used, but so far my attempts > > to initialize Verbatim DS/DD disks under RT-11 have failed: > > > > "?DUP-F-Size function failed" > >You can't format RX50's with any Dec PDP-11 hardware. You probably can >with a VAXstation 2000, or using a PC and the proper software - there's >instructions for doing it under Linux with a 1.2MB floppy drive and DSDD >disks on the web. If you want to I can probably find them. Get yourself a Dec-Rainbow to format them :) or the Pro380 IIRC will format RX-50's :)

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Boot original Mac from an external floppy?

by vcf＠siconic.com

Is it possible to boot the original Macintosh, or perhaps the Mac 512K or Mac Plus, from the external floppy drive? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Eagle computer question?

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Fred N. van Kempen" <waltje(a)pdp11.nl> > >On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > >> > lines of his car ran off the road after a celebratory party. If you've >> > driven Hwy 17 at night (between San Jose and Scotts Valley), you know it's a >> > real damp-armpits trip, even when sober. About 300 twisty turny bits, >> > rising and falling, no streetlights, few guardrails, steep dropoffs. >People crossing the f* road (when you get closer to the Sta Cruz end), >and so on. On the way TO sta cruz, beware of drunk-as-a-skunk party >people driving (!) back to their homes (around san jose) ... bah. > >--fred Hi It wasn't on 17. It was on University Ave. I saw the smashed guard rail the next day. I drive 17 every day. You need to treat it with respect. Dwight

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Windoze crash (was Re: Well, I was at Fry's in CA...)

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com> > >On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Fred Cisin wrote: > >> > You don't like my theory, too bad. To quote yourself: "YOU ARE AN ASS." >> >> Aren't we all > >I certainly am. > I resemble that remark. Dwight

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Eagle computer question?

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Fred Not only new but minutes new. He was driving it from Los Gatos Ferrari on University Dr and lost is next to the reservoir, just before his companies building near Lark Ave. Dwight >From: "Fred Cisin" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > >On Sat, 5 Jul 2003, George R. Gonzalez wrote: >> Well, I've done it now. I put an old Eagle computer up for auction, >> and I included a bit of history about "Eagle Conmputer", >> but now I wonder if I goofed up big-time on the history. >> As I recall, Many many years ago (around 1982?) I read in InfoWorld that >> Eagle Computer's president met a tragic end, just after the company went >> public, or get a big bunch of financing, or somesuch. Something along the >> lines of his car ran off the road after a celebratory party. If you've > >Yep. >My recollection was that it was a brand new Ferrari. > > >> But now as I search the Web, I can't find any trace of this news item. Did >> I imagine it? Have I got the wrong company? Anybody recall? It's awful >> turning 50! > >I don't know where to find a citation of it. > > >It keeps getting worse after 50. > >-- >Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com

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Older wordprocessing software

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

The last MS Word for DOS (5.5) was available for free download from the MS site, as a Y2K update, but I can't find it there now. It is, however, available from S.U.P.E.R. (the HP LX Palmtop software site) at http://www.palmtop.net/super5.html. I am not aware of any sites where you can download WordPerfect. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Fred Cisin [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 11:26 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Older wordprocessing software On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >I'm taking suggestions for wordprocessing software to run on an older 486 > >laptop (1994, so almost within the 10 year limit!) that's running Windows 3.11 > > I'd think the choices would be obvious, Word Perfect which has been suggested, might be a decent choice, however, I for one would be inclined to go with > MS Word 6.0. Personally I have a strong dislike for Ami Pro, though I'll admit that is due to my using the OS/2 version. IF you operate in isolation, then consider the later versions of the DOS products, specifically Word-Pervert, Weird, and PC-Write. If you are going to be transferring files with more "modern" machines, then condsider running MICROS~1 OFFICE (Weird, Excel, etc.) The version of Office for Windoze 3.11 usually came on 26 1.4M floppies, but there WAS a CD-ROM available.

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[GreenKeys] Fwd: BBC News E-mail: Babbage printer finally runs (fwd)

by jpl15＠panix.com

From the Greenkeys (mechanical teletype) mail list: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 11:20:11 -0400 From: Henry Minsky <hqm(a)ai.mit.edu> To: greenkeys-mailman.qth.net <greenkeys(a)mailman.qth.net> Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: BBC News E-mail: Babbage printer finally runs >hqm(a)ai.mit.edu saw this story on BBC News Online and thought you should >see it. > >------------ >Message: > > >------------ > >*Babbage printer finally runs* ><http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/sci/tech/710950.stm> > >A computer printer that was originally designed more than 150 years ago >has finally been built.

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CIS chip for 11/23[+]

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

Since this chip has been asked about on occasion here, I thought I would point out that one is up for auction on ebay (no, I have no connection with the auction)... it has a picture of the chip, for those who have wanted to see what it looks like... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2739025363&category=1247 Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: mbg at world.std.com | | Member of Technical Staff | megan at savaje.com | | SavaJe Technologies, Inc. | (s/ at /@/) | | 100 Apollo Drive | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Chelmsford, MA 01460 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | 978 256 6521 (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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OT Re: OS uptimes

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 6, 18:12, Jay West wrote: > > I just retired my colocated 486 server (33Mhz, 20M RAM, Linux 2.0.39) > > which had a final uptime of 444 days, 13 hours, 13 minutes. > > Now I have something to shoot for. You can bet I will be running in circles > anytime I have to do something with that machine to keep from having to > reboot it *GRIN* A few months ago, my mail server had an uptime of 416 days. I was even watching it to see the magic 10000 hours roll over, having postponed the move to the new UPS just for that. You can guess when we had the 5 minute power cut :-( -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~itda/doc mirror?

by aek＠spies.com

Did anyone mirror the contents of http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~itda/doc before it disappeared in a disc crash last year? I have some of it (the Terak manuals) but didn't copy everything.

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New finds and disorganization

by ian_primus＠yahoo.com

This week has been pretty hectic, what with working late and at the same time acquiring new hardware, all in the midst of my current project of trying to reorganize and clean the basement. The three day weekend should give me some time to catch up on stuff though. Anyway, apologies again to those of you that wanted to buy something, I'll get everything straightened out here soon. My new finds this week: A Prime 5340 minicomputer. This is a really interesting machine, it seems to be pretty loaded with expansion hardware, and even came with two waist high rack cabinets, one with a 9 track tape drive, and one with two more hard drives. I even got a stack of software manuals. This thing took a lot of work to move, and I haven't really had the time to start cleaning and documenting any of it yet, let alone even think of powering it up. Before I power it up I need to go through and check the power supply, as this had been sitting for a while. I also don't have any software for it, although the hard drives should have the operating system and stuff. This will be an interesting project, especially since this is the first large computer in my collection, and I haven't really worked on machines like this before. Tektronix 4051 computer. This is pretty neat too, it has a built in storage tube for the screen, and a tape cartridge drive. It was absolutely filthy when I got it, but I managed to get it cleaned up and tested. The computer works, but the tape drive needs some help. The eject mechanism is broken, and it won't read any tapes. Now, I only have two tapes, and they were stored in the back of the manual, which was with the computer, in a filthy storage area, so I don't know how good the tapes are. I would be interested in getting a known good tape so I can be sure the drive reads. This weekend will be spent on cleaning the basement, finding someplace good in the basement to put the large Prime computer, and getting stuff ready to ship out to people. Ian Primus ian_primus(a)yahoo.com

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