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Picking up an IBM System/34 using a pickup truck; or How do you move equipment Part II

by jplist＠kiwigeek.com

Greetings all; Couple weeks ago I started a thread asking about how you chaps (and ladies) moved big hardware. I ended up going out on a limb when it came to picking up and moving an IBM System/34 some 500 miles homewards, and using only a pickup truck, some strapping, winches and a pair of ramps. I can now say that it was a resounding success, it went out without a hitch pretty much. Most of the details can be found at my webpage, with significant thumbnails of the process and the booty (Of the treasure kind). http://www.kiwigeek.com/hjp/comps/ibm_s34/ Thanks all for input; JP

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VCF East in 2004?

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Going back to this, how about Trinity College in Hartford? They do the Robotic firefighting contest every year (that made me think of it). Surely there must be a large geeky subsegment of the student body who'd want to see classic computers... -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Curt vendel Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 3:41 PM To: dwoyciesjes(a)comcast.net; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: VCF East in 2004? Danbury is also a superb area, you've got the Danbury Mall, there is also the airport there, lots of hotels with convention centers connected, I think also Metro North rail isn't too far either. Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Woyciesjes" <dwoyciesjes(a)comcast.net> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:17 AM Subject: Re: VCF East in 2004? > Curt Vendel wrote: > > > > Sellam, > > > > Any chance of a VCF East in 2004? A location in CT would be great, it > > would be a good midpoint for all the collectors in MA/NH/RI and the ones in > > NY/NJ/PA. There are a lot of hotels with conference halls around the > > Buckland Mall (exit 62?) off of RT-84 CT, plus with the mall, and lots of > > local fast food and restaurants, there would be plenty for show goers to do > > before/after the show. There is a massive videogame (2nd largest show in > > the US next to www.austingamingexpo.com which is the largest) event in > > March: www.phillyclassic.com so if you could schedule around it, that would > > be great. > > > > Curt > > Actually, the New Haven/Danbury/Hartford areas might be a better option > for those coming from the south, rather than eastern CT... > > -- > --- Dave Woyciesjes > --- ICQ# 905818

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Great computer history pictorial book at discount

by MTPro＠aol.com

I just purchased a book through Amazon.com and I'm very happy with it, especially since I passed on buying it locally though Barnes and Noble for $30 (they didn't hold it for me like they were supposed to). Amazon is clearing them out for only $12! It's translated from a German edition, so there are some typos, etc., but it's a great book for the pictures alone. Get it through: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/3822812935/classiccomputinsA/ Best, David Greelish

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Vintage computer equipment immediately available: IBM System/36 5362 A04 (1984) ; Kienzle "2000" (W.Germany 1975) magnetic card accounting computer both execellent/mint condition (fwd)

by vcf＠siconic.com

I'm forwarding this message from some bloke in Somerset. See the text below. If anything, the Kienzle system sounds VERY interesting... As always, please reply to the original sender (Bill Longman). Reply-to: <whclongman(a)hotmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:01:15 -0000 From: Bill Longman <whclongman(a)hotmail.com> To: vcf(a)vintage.org Subject: Re: Vintage computer equipment immediately available: IBM System/36 5362 A04 (1984) ; Kienzle "2000" (W.Germany 1975) magnetic card accounting computer both execellent/mint condition Sparkford Estates Ltd North Leaze Farm, North Cadbury, Yeovil, Somerset. ENGLAND. BA22 7BD. Tel/Fax +44(0)1963 440239 Ref: VC031117.doc November 17, 2003 Re: Vintage computer equipment immediately available: A). IBM System/36 mini computer Compact 5362 model A02. Initially purchased new in 1984 with 60MB disk and 384Kb memory. Upgraded in 1991 to model A04 with additional 60Mb disk, 256Kb memory and 6157 tape drive. Final specification: System Unit : IBM S/36 5362 A04 (120Mb disk; 640Kb memory; 8" Diskette drive) Tape Drive : IBM 6157/001 Streaming tape drive : IBM 2908 Tape attach System Printer : IBM 5256 Model 3 Displays : 3 x IBM 5291/2 (mono) 2 x IBM 3197 (dual session mono) IBM Software : (full suite) SSP;DFU;SEU;SDA;RPG11;PC Support/36; Tape support 6102. IBM Manuals : (full suite) in IBM binders User Software : Chorus accounts (full suite);Utilities All in excellent/mint condition. Last used year 2000. Kept in unused office since 2000. Due to redevelopment this equipment can no longer be stored and will have to be dumped unless a new owner is found within the next month. Any reasonable offer accepted. Must be collected. Near Yeovil, Somerset, England. B). Kienzle "2000" magnetic card reading accounting machine computer initially purchased in 1977 (made W.Germany/75 plate on rear, assume manufactured 1975). Cassette tape program accounts software (full suite); magnetic stripe ledger cards; 20 character (approx) display strip; integral printer. Note accounts data not held on a hard disk, but on magnetic stripe on edge of special ledger cards and is a forerunner of modern day computers. User manuals (Sep 1977); magnetic stripe cards; cassette tape programs. All in excellent/mint condition. Last used year 1984. Kept in unused office since 1984. Due to redevelopment this equipment can no longer be stored and will have to be dumped unless a new owner is found within the next month. Any reasonable offer accepted. Must be collected. Near Yeovil, Somerset, England. PLEASE FORWARD TO ANY INTERESTED PARTIES - THANK YOU WHC Longman [Director Sparkford Estates Ltd]. Sparkford Estates Ltd, North Leaze Farm, North Cadbury, Yeovil, Somerset. ENGLAND. BA22 7BD. Tel/Fax: +44(0)1963 440239 E-mail: whclongman(a)hotmail.com -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Data I I/O Series 22 EPROM Programmer help

by cncmedic＠sbcglobal.net

I AM ALSO LOOKING FOR HELP ON THIS PROGRAMMER. A COPY OF THE MANUAL OR INFO ON HOW IT OPERATES. JACK

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RM03 heads

by sebastian.bocc＠autotrol.com.uy

Hello, I'm writing you from Montevideo, Uruguay. We have recently dismantled an entire SCADA system with PDP's, rm03, etc. I have some spare parts for the rm03 (heads) and i was wondering if you or anyone you knew would like them. I have a lot that are used and six new, in the box and sealed. I also have an aligning disk. Sebastian Boccardi Autotrol Uruguaya S.A. Montevideo, Uruguay

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How many of you like HP41C calculators?

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:33:51 -0800 Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> writes: > Back in the late 70's I was writing some games on the first Atari > 400 for Programma International, and the guy that was the big hot shot on Programma, huh? I remember those guys. They created my favourite programming language: SPL/M! It ran on 6800's under FLEX. It makes me wish I were home so I could play with my 6802 . . . . > the PET wrote the first generation of bomb blast software for the HP45 (I > think 45, maybe it was 65 or something). Strange guy, he worked on I think an Had to be the 55 or 65. The 45 wasn't programmable. > Apple II for a year in south america without a monitor, just using beeps > etc to test his code. That has to be one of the craziest things I've ever heard . . . . > I don't think people outside of the top military realize just how > close nuclear war was during this period. Closer than say, during the Cuban Missle Crisis?!?! ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

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Apple IIe - trying to get drives to work

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/17/2003 10:46:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, billdeg(a)degnanco.com writes: In a nutshell, I turn on the Apple IIe and drive 1 spins and the drive light comes on, but does not read any bootable disks. On the display the screen reads: Apple ][ I have a number of boot disks so I don't think the disks are all bad. I have checked the cables and the drive card. I have swapped out the drive card with another that works. I have swapped cables and they seem OK. Are you SURE you have bootable floppies? I've had disks get corrupted so they don't boot anymore although the data is still good. Do you hear any disk access noises at all? I once had a controller card fail once with the symptoms you have. I tried many boot floppies only to have them trashed by the faulty controller. Since I had two disk drives, I kinda figured out the controller was bad. Thankfully, JAMECO had them for $50 at the time.

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VCF East in 2004?

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Going back to this, how about Trinity College in Hartford? They do the >Robotic firefighting contest every year (that made me think of it) This is getting off topic, but where can I get more info on this contest? -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Racks, rails and panels

by ian_primus＠yahoo.com

As I start my task of assembling a PDP 11/73, I am trying to get a good sense of order, and am planning how I want to mount the computer and associated stuff in a rack. The rack I will be using for most of this is a four foot high Digital rack, the kind with the black side panels. My questions are: How do I get the side panel off the Digital rack? They seem to come off, and one is loose. I am wanting to remove it, and reattach it so that it won't rattle. Also, the top panels are a little crooked. I have tried to look for how the thing is put together, but it's hard for me to tell, being unfamiliar with racks. What is the trick to removing those panels? What are the preferred types of screws to use for mounting things in racks? One of my racks has threaded holes, but the Digital one doesn't. Should I just go to the hardware store and get some 1/4-20 nuts and bolts, or is there a recommended or standard size? Also, what is the threading on racks with threaded holes? Is this a standard size bolt? Also, I have a Fujitsu Eagle, which, aside from being very heavy, also needs a new set of rails. It has some rails already, but I don't have the mating ones to put in the rack. Do most devices take standard rails, or are there peculiarities to some drives? Will a normal set of rails handle a 150 pound hard drive, or do I need something a bit more robust? Does it matter what order I put the hardware into the rack? I wouldn't think that it would, but I'm worried about heat. Once I get rails, the Fujitsu Eagle will go on the bottom of the rack (Due to it's weight, it likes to be near the ground...), the PDP 11 will probably be at the top of the rack, with the tape drive in the middle. Should I leave space between devices, or will they be all right close to each other? I would assume that the heat shouldn't be a problem since this hardware was meant to be in racks, but I thought I would check. How do I mount a narrow drive? One of the drives is an XMD drive that was originally in a rack with another one next to it. I only have a single drive, but I do have the plate that both were originally on. Do they make "half blanks" for this, or should I just make something out of wood or cardboard? On a related note, how should I plug all this stuff in? I'll have at least three power cords, one for the computer, one for the Eagle and one for the tape drive, then there will likely be another drive or two. What should I plug these into? Will a heavy duty power strip handle the load, or should I split it up? What about a single circuit? From what I have read, an 11/73 shouldn't draw that much juice, the only thing I worry about is how much current the drives need. I'd still imagine that a regular household 15 amp line should do it though. Thanks! Ian Primus ian_primus(a)yahoo.com

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DECconnect MMJ plugs

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 14, 20:28, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > I am blessed with many feet of DECconnect cable (ya know, the > flat serial cables DEC used) and most of that cable is crimped > with one MMJ, and one RJ45 - probably cables going to RJ45 wall > sockets. > > Obviously, I want to get rid of the RJ45's, soo.. where does > one order a bag (250-500) of these MMJs these days? My usual response to things like this is "CPC" or "Farnell", but neither sell MMJs (only the crimp tools!). RS Components do, part no 331-6370 for a bag of 100, price 36p (about E 0.52) per connector, or 31p for quantities of 500+. http://rswww.com/ if you want to follow it up. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Currah C-64 Speech Messenger

by tony＠girasoli.org

Hi Ran, I came across your posting of stuff you are selling. Do you have one of the Currah Speech Messenger carts left? Let me know. Thank you! Tony

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Picture of VFC

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Erik I have the pictures I took at vfc. You said you'd put these up on your web page. How should I send them? Dwight

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Anyone looking for a Apple eMate 300

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I picked up a few this weekend contact me off list if you would like to trade or purchase one.

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DEC TTY Connector Source?

by CPUMECH＠aol.com

Try Dataterm Inc. 781-938-1010. They have all that old stuff including 33tty parts.

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ANTS!!!!

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 17, 7:58, Joe Stevenson wrote: > Fly spray shouldn't hurt the board, but I would spray it down with contact cleaner. > The biggest worry from ants is the formic acid they produce. Hopefully that did not > damage the board. NOT contact cleaner. Proper contact cleaner contains oils that will stay behind; fine in minute amounts on your switch contacts, but not in your ROM sockets, or all over a board where it collects all manner of airborne crud. Iso-propyl alcohol -- which is the carrier in contact cleaner -- would be OK, so would ethanol. Neither will do much about the formic acid; water will be better for that. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Lot of 6 Z-89s, 2 VT100s, VT180, other terminals, DECfloppy drives availa...

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com> > >On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Joe wrote: > >> They were also used in some of their MDSs. It was also optional in the >> iPDSs. In it the bubble usually contained the operating system and >> developement software but it acted as a disk drive so you could store >> anything in it that you wanted to. > >The Sharp PC-5000 uses bubble memory carthridges as "disk drives". It >runs MS-DOS from the bubble memory. Another computer that uses bubble >memory is the Teleram 3000 (very obscure). > >> FWIW I used to have a bubble memory card for the PC. It came with a >> collection of bubble memory manuals, data sheets and other docs and some >> developement software. I THINK it was put out by Intel but it's been a long >> time since I've seen it. > >That sounds really cool. Along with several dozen bubble memory modules >plus a bunch of bubble memory boards and several computers that use bubble >memory, I have a book on using bubble memory and a TI datasheet on their >bubble memory product. > >Bubble memory is cool. It is kind of like moving core memory. Actually, it takes quite a bit of power to run. I'd say it was hot. Dwight

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ANTS!!!!

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Thanks for mentioning this. Also, if you don't want to find dead ants all over the oven, put a pan of hot water ( with a little soap added ) under the object. When they come out, they fall in. The soap or detergent makes sure they drown. This heating method also works for termites. Some exterminators actually tent the house in an insulator and just heat the house. To bad that is doesn't kill dry rot. Dwight >From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com> > >> Just put it in the oven at between 125 >> and 130F for a couple of hours. > >I'd recommend using the oven only in a passive mode. >The radiant heat of a live element probably exceeds >125 by a lot. I melted some plastic once in an oven set >very low. Next time I do this I'll preheat the oven, shut it >off, wait a few minutes and then use the residual heat. > >John A. > >

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Runout vs. Flatness and Dial test indicators

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

There is a section in the 7906 service manual where they do a test for "runout" with a dial test indicator. Then there is a separate test to measure flatness. These are two tests that are done when replacing the fixed platter. I understand the concept of a dial test indicator and basically what it does... and they show a picture of how to position the guage when checking runout, and how to position it when checking flatness. Two questions come to mind that aren't clear from the manual. I can't tell from the pictures where exactly they place the ball on the fixed media when testing runout. It LOOKS like they put it touching the outside (in the same plane as the media), then rotate once. This would seem to me to really be testing how "circular" the media is. Is that runout? Then, to test flatness, it appears they put the ball on the surface of the fixed media. Surely turning the media with a metal ball on it is pretty bad. So, can someone explain to me the difference between runout and flatness, specifically with regards to a disk platter. And, where they would put the ball exactly for each test? Also, I assume any dial test guage that is graduated correctly will work. However, the HP one apparently has a lever on it for flatness or runout. General dial test indicators do not. Any ideas there? Thanks for helping my confusion :) Jay

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ANTS!!!!

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 17, 12:06, Patrick Rigney wrote: > If an amount of this oil were to become trapped in a layer under a soldered > chip or socket, is it sufficiently conductive to cause signal crosstalk? Very unlikely, since silicon oil is a pretty good insulator. The reason it is good for electrical contacts is that it promotes the cleaning of oxide layers by the wiping action as contacts move over each other, and it prevents further oxide from forming by creating a non-reactive coating which is also very thin. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Bay Technical Associates 953B

by amventura＠hotmail.com

Quote Alternatively, I have a serial-based programmer that ISTR has an interactive hex dump feature - you talk to it over a 2-way RS-232 link and can dump data to it, or send interactive commands. There's no "program" or "copy" button. It's a Bay Technical Associates 953B. Haven't used it in years. Think it only does 1Kbit to 8Kbit devices and no funny pinout stuff like thge 2532. /Quote Do you have the software to use this product, or know where I could get it? Thanks in advance, Anthony Ventura _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on high-speed Internet access as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.)

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More VCF inanity

by jpl15＠panix.com

Hey! Howsabout VCF-Not-So-West, here in Carson City?? Or Reno.... OR - buy a couple of semi-trucks - VCF Portable!! OR - shutup! Ok.... Cheers John

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ANTS!!!!

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Patrick Rigney" <patrick(a)evocative.com> > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org >> [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Dwight K. Elvey >> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:58 AM >> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >> Subject: Re: ANTS!!!! >> >> >> Hi >> Many contact cleaners contain silicon oils. Contrary >> to popular opinion, these oils actually improve contact in >> sockets and edge connectors. Petroleum oils do just >> the opposite. >> I have used silicon based greases to improve the contact >> of high current connectors when other methods have failed. >> ( DON'T use heat sink grease ) >> Dwight > >Dwight, > >If an amount of this oil were to become trapped in a layer under a soldered >chip or socket, is it sufficiently conductive to cause signal crosstalk? > >Patrick > > Hi Silicon oil is not conductive. In fact, silicon grease is used to keep moisture out of high power ( high voltage ) RF connectors in many applications. It does have a higher dialectic constant than air but then most things do. The reason it works well for sockets and connectors is that it has almost zero film strength ( unlike petroleum based oils ). It keep air from degrading the contact surface as well as keeping moisture out. Dwight

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VCF East in 2004?

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

And it's easy to get to from LI and NYC -- only 45 minutes (or less) from the Throgs Neck Bridge (from the south) and right off of I95. Stamford is also an option -- great rail links (Amtrak and Metro North) and lots of hotels. ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. First Vice President Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Curt vendel Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 3:41 PM To: dwoyciesjes(a)comcast.net; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: VCF East in 2004? Danbury is also a superb area, you've got the Danbury Mall, there is also the airport there, lots of hotels with convention centers connected, I think also Metro North rail isn't too far either. Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Woyciesjes" <dwoyciesjes(a)comcast.net> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:17 AM Subject: Re: VCF East in 2004? > Curt Vendel wrote: > > > > Sellam, > > > > Any chance of a VCF East in 2004? A location in CT would be great, it > > would be a good midpoint for all the collectors in MA/NH/RI and the ones in > > NY/NJ/PA. There are a lot of hotels with conference halls around the > > Buckland Mall (exit 62?) off of RT-84 CT, plus with the mall, and lots of > > local fast food and restaurants, there would be plenty for show goers to do > > before/after the show. There is a massive videogame (2nd largest show in > > the US next to www.austingamingexpo.com which is the largest) event in > > March: www.phillyclassic.com so if you could schedule around it, that would > > be great. > > > > Curt > > Actually, the New Haven/Danbury/Hartford areas might be a better option > for those coming from the south, rather than eastern CT... > > -- > --- Dave Woyciesjes > --- ICQ# 905818

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ANTS!!!!

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 17, 14:04, Joseph Stevenson wrote: > Oils in contact cleaner?? Yes, proper contact cleaner has oil in it. Not much, but some. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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ANTS!!!!

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Many contact cleaners contain silicon oils. Contrary to popular opinion, these oils actually improve contact in sockets and edge connectors. Petroleum oils do just the opposite. I have used silicon based greases to improve the contact of high current connectors when other methods have failed. ( DON'T use heat sink grease ) Dwight >From: "Joseph Stevenson" <ikvsabre(a)comcast.net> > >Oils in contact cleaner?? > >Joe >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pete Turnbull" <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> >To: <ikvsabre(a)comcast.net>; "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic >Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:47 PM >Subject: Re: ANTS!!!! > > >> On Nov 17, 7:58, Joe Stevenson wrote: >> > Fly spray shouldn't hurt the board, but I would spray it down with >> contact cleaner. >> > The biggest worry from ants is the formic acid they produce. >> Hopefully that did not >> > damage the board. >> >> NOT contact cleaner. Proper contact cleaner contains oils that will >> stay behind; fine in minute amounts on your switch contacts, but not in >> your ROM sockets, or all over a board where it collects all manner of >> airborne crud. Iso-propyl alcohol -- which is the carrier in contact >> cleaner -- would be OK, so would ethanol. Neither will do much about >> the formic acid; water will be better for that. >> >> -- >> Pete Peter Turnbull >> Network Manager >> University of York > >

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ANTS!!!!

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Don't spary it. Just put it in the oven at between 125 and 130F for a couple of hours. They will all die soon without the bug spary. Dwight >From: "peter tremewen" <ptremewe(a)bigpond.net.au> > >Hi All, > > Had an Atari 520 ST in storage. Found out it has small ants next taking up residance inside it. I think I found it before the ants managed to cause any damage inside the unit, however am courious to know if there is any known long term affect from Fly Spray contamination. I can clean up most of the PCB and Everything with the usual High presure wash, then dry it in a drying oven, but what residues am I likely to have from fly spray?? Any one with any ideas???? > > Peter T. > > >

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ANTS!!!!

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 17, 9:34, Dwight K. Elvey wrote: > Hi > Don't spary it. Just put it in the oven at between 125 and > 130F for a couple of hours. They will all die soon without > the bug spary. > Dwight > > >From: "peter tremewen" <ptremewe(a)bigpond.net.au> > > > > Had an Atari 520 ST in storage. Found out it has small ants next taking > up residance inside it. I think I found it before the ants managed to cause any > damage inside the unit, however am courious to know if there is any known long > term affect from Fly Spray contamination. I can clean up most of the PCB and > Everything with the usual High presure wash, then dry it in a drying oven, but > what residues am I likely to have from fly spray?? Any one with any ideas???? Dwight's right, you don't need the spray. Apart from that, I would be very wary of a "high pressure wash" -- high pressure anything can damage tracks and plated holes by stressing them where components are fitted. If you do wash it, beware of any switches, relays, transformers, etc -- and *don't* dry it in an oven. You'll evaporate the water, leaving behind any minerals (hardness in the water etc), some of which will be hygroscopic and/or corrosive. Excessive heat can be a bad thing too. It's better to give it a final rinse in water with a *small* amount of wetting agent (so most of the water drains off), and blow away as much as possible with *low-pressure* compressed air. Or rinse in iso-propyl alcohol, which will remove most of the remaining water. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Latest EBay finds, including a real museum piece

by wmaddox＠pacbell.net

Marvin, glad to hear you were able to snag all that stuff in LA! While continuing to scour Ebay for an an obscure minicomputer or a misplaced listing, I keep running across interesting stuff that I have no interest in buying myself, but I'm sure someone here on the list would love to have. Here's what I came across during this weekend's search: 1961 RCA 601 Mainframe Computer Antique http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2573945853&category=361 This is a set of cute little plastic miniatures of an RCA 601 and its various components, along with a fitted carrying case. Used by salesmen. A really nice museum piece with an asking price to match. Ouch! antique computer sales book pamphlet c 1910 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2573607526&category=361 antique computer sales book pamphlet 1908 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2573612402&category=361 A couple of brochures for the British licensee of the Powers tabulating machine. This was the competitor to Hollerith who got the Census Bureau business after they got fed up with Hollerith's high prices. Powers sold out to Remington-Rand, I believe. antique computer Hollerith census book 1891 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2573617998&category=361 A period reprint of an article on the use of Hollerith equipment for the 1890 census. RAF Tornado Computer with Core Store Memory http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2202934131&category=4238… A small airborne computer. From what look like date codes on the components, it looks like it was made in the early 80's, which seems a bit late for this technology. Computer Space Ball by Nutting Associates http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3253199680&category=1371… The listing describes this as "computer space *ball*", but I believe that Nutting Associates was the maker of Nolan Bushnell's very first video game, "Computer Space". This is just a troubleshooting manual, though someone else had the game itself offered on EBay in the last few days. VINTAGE 1970S SLASH 7 HARRIS COMPUTER MANUALS http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3566572833&category=1107 Here are manuals for a machine I've never heard of. Al, are you reading this? ;) --Bill

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DEC RD-54 goes for 192 EUR !

by cheri-post＠web.de

Hi all ! Check out this auktion at Ebay-Germany : http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2764603836&category=8101&… The best thing is, that the drive is untested... The seller said that the drive spins up but no more tests. I suppose that the necessary equipment was missing. Pierre ______________________________________________________________________________ Horoskop, Comics, VIPs, Wetter, Sport und Lotto im WEB.DE Screensaver1.2 Kostenlos downloaden: http://screensaver.web.de/?mc=021110

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Picture of DEC M750 available

by vrs＠msn.com

Hi, I wasted a few minutes making a picture of the DEC M750 module available at http://mysite.verizon.net/res1ac3j. I doubt it will jog anyone's memory, but what the heck :-). It looks just like a DEC M-series module, to me :-). Vince

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HP servo formatting pca wanted for 7905/6

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I am looking for the servo formatting pca board for HP 7905/6 drives. This is what allows you to rewrite the servo data on head 2, from a CE servo cartridge at head 0. This board isn't normally installed in the drive, it would be sitting around loose. The HP part number is 12995-60114. Any chance someone has one if these in a box somewhere? Jay West

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dec logic trainer...aka the dec computer lab.

by esharpe＠uswest.net

has anyone done a pdf or ocr on the whole manual for the dec computer lab. (I see Eric has the cover and contents online ) while hunting for the master module list in some of the boxed material that has not been shelved yet I did come across this book for the DEC computer Lab. Thanks! Ed Sharpe Archivist for SMECC See the Southwest Museum of Engineering, Communications and Computation online at: http://www.smecc.org

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Manual 16c

by comex＠vigamil.cl

Hi Brian. I need the manual of 16C, I seek all place, but can?t find. Can you help me?

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On-line storage backup options

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: Here's an oddball question. I have a small Windows NT Server network at home that frankly I use mostly for storing all sorts of crap -- classic and other. It's overkill (Compaq dual PPro200 3U server and 4-drive RAID 5 and 10gb DLT) for what I need but the price was good. With hard drive densities continuing to increase I was toying with building some sort of NAS unit to replace the server. So, I'm looking for suggestions on building a stand-alone, small NAS system, maybe using Linux, and it has to be more appliance-like rather than a full-blown system. Any thoughts or suggestions on implementation? On an unrelated note, I'd like to automatically mirror the information on the RAID to a cheap 40gb drive (because I'm too lazy to mount the tape and do a backup). I have some server-oriented backup probrams but they don't allow you to backup to a file -- you can only back up to a physical tape drive. Any thoughts on this? Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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HP 9121/9122 HP-IB/GPIB info...

by lbickley＠bickleywest.com

Does anyone have documentation describing the valid HP-IB/GPIB commands for these diskette drives? I have both the Operator's Manual and the CE Sevice Manuals - but neither contain a listing of available commands. Thanks, Lyle -- Lyle Bickley Bickley Consulting West Inc. Mountain View, CA 94040 "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"

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Your Macintosh LC III needing a home

by KMcjames66＠aol.com

I have one too. We are trying to find an operating system disk for ours. Can you help? Ours is not useable. We got ours from grandma. kahley

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Grandfather system RTE6/VM?

by aek＠spies.com

> you will also need to either reverse engineer the custom microcode > or find a document that describes what the added instructions do. The opcodes and a short description of all of the E/F microcoded instructions appears starting on pages 11-22 of the M/E/F CE handbook 5950-3767_M-E-F_CEhbk_Jul84.pdf At least it gives you the opcodes they used. You'll still have to figure out from the code what they actually do.

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Grandfather system RTE6/VM?

by aek＠spies.com

> I just checked, I have the RTE-6VM microcode also, and the EMA code too. The files I uploaded include just about every firmware option released for the E and F.

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Grandfather system RTE6/VM?

by aek＠spies.com

>I am working for some time now to get RTE-6/VM to run on simh. >What I need is a 1:1 disk dump of a bootable RTE-6/VM system you will also need to either reverse engineer the custom microcode or find a document that describes what the added instructions do. it's unfortunate that the Interex release appears to be binary only.

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Bay Technical eprom burner

by marshall＠rockisland.com

Hey Ethan, Stewart Marshall here. Am bidding on one of these serial interface 953b burners on ebay. Do you still have yours? This one has no docs. If you have any info or still have the instructions and commands for it, that would be wonderful! Bye for now, Stew

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DEC TTY Connector Source?

by vrs＠msn.com

Hi, I am looking for the AMP flat 8-way Mate-N-Lok connectors for the 20mA loops to my TTY. Does anyone know a source for a couple of pair of them? I found some vendors online, but they all seem to have pretty hefty minimum orders. It also appears that AMP doesn't make them anymore. I am trying to restore my TTY wiring to something resembling what DEC would have done. Thanks! Vince

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Cromemco Information

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 15, 12:38, Donald Nova wrote: > I just recently acquired a Cromemco Z-2D (don't yet have all the > necessary accessories and peripherals to test it)... and I'm curious as > to how many of these were made. > > I know they were produced in 1977, but aside from the information from > old-computers.com, I know relatively little about it. > > There doesn't seem to be much interest surrounding them, as I had > trouble finding much on the web. They're quite nice machines. I used to use one at college. I have a System Three and some spare S100 cards including a couple of TV Dazzlers and a shedload (not sure if that's a metric shedload or not :-)) of serial, disk, and memory cards. Also some Matrox video stuff. Mine has a twin Persci 8" drive unit (apparently notorious for alignment problems, and mine certainly needs aligned) and a single 5_1/4" drive of suspiciously modern appearance. I've not used it much since I got it earlier this year. Too much to do, too little time :-( -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Cromemco Information

by Don＠novanow.net

I just recently acquired a Cromemco Z-2D (don't yet have all the necessary accessories and peripherals to test it)... and I'm curious as to how many of these were made. I know they were produced in 1977, but aside from the information from old-computers.com, I know relatively little about it. There doesn't seem to be much interest surrounding them, as I had trouble finding much on the web. Anything any of you could tell me about this (especially how many were produced, how many are estimated to still be around, etc) would be really cool. Thanks! ~Donald Nova Don at NovaNow.net

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Unassembled HW9 Heathkit on ebay

by PhilECranston＠cs.com

Hi if interested search under pecranston or Heathkit on ebay Phil C KB5ZAV

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Princeton Graphic Systems LS 300

by kenziem＠sympatico.ca

Picked up one of these today. Does anyone know anything about them? Mike -- Ottawa, Canada Collector of vintage computers http://www.ncf.ca/~ba600

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Grandfather system RTE6/VM?

by aek＠spies.com

There are now .tap images for three different hardware configurations up at www.bitsavers.com/HP/tapes rte-6vm_92084-13503r2540 rte-6vm_92084-13505r5000 rte-6vm_92084-13508r2340 RTE-6/VM primary system #601 92084A OPT 055 (7925M) 800bpi - psave format 92084-13505 rev 5000 1982 was the only tape I had handy this morning to read the paper label. each part number was for a specific hardware configuration I'll try to dump the microcode proms this weekend I also uploaded two 2000TSB contributed software tapes as well TREK73 appears to be on 2000dmp5-5-84iclContrib.tap

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more talking to the press.

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

I own a couple of Data General AViiON's. The ones I have use the MC88100 cpu. I have tons of parts to upgrade these but they're just sitting in my garage (along with everything else). Sigh-- On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:51:07 -0600 "Ryan K. Brooks" <ryan(a)hack.net> writes: > Speaking of the "oh so cool" 88k- does anyone have one of these? I > always thought a Moto 88k box running some sort of *BSD would be a > great addition to the collection. Anyone? > > -Ryan Brooks > ryan(a)hack.net ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

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8 inch floppy drive

by radu＠erc.ro

hello dear sir, I am looking for a 8 inch floppy drive. Do you still have some ? I need the model that has the head mouvement on a screw and nut system manager, Muscheru Radu SC ELECTRONIC RESEARCH CENTER SRL IASI, Str. Armeana 2, cod 700038, Romania tel: 0232-316666 tel connex: 0722-319082 fax: 0232-215135 tel dialog: 0740-044049 CF R 4108642 J-22-858-1993 Banca Ion Tiriac Iasi cont 2410 1199 53001 mail: radu(a)erc.ro web: www.erc.ro

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omnibot 2000?

by christinenyc＠hotmail.com

hello, did you ever sell the omnibot? if not, how much are you asking for it? does it work? thanks, christine

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DEC OSF/1 V2.0 on DECstation :) (MIPS)

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Paul Thompson wrote: > Yes, it does. A kernel setting and some user commands: > > llogin (vms: set host/lat) Llogin is indeed "outbound LAT"; the system comes with a LAT service (inbound conns) as well: (kebab)~$ uname -a OSF1 kebab V5.1 2650 alpha alpha (kebab)~$ llogin -d Learned Services: Service Name Node Rating Identification C_ANDREW DS-VAXCON 255 Console MicroVAX 3400 C_DAWN DS-VAXCON 90 Console VAXserver 3100 SCSI C_IS1000T_1 DS-VAXCON 255 Console InfoTower 1000 #1 C_IS150_1 DS300-1 255 Console IS150_1 C_TARA DS-VAXCON 255 Console VAX 4700A C_TWINS DS300-1 255 Console MicroVAX 3300 C_UNIBUS DS300-1 90 Console VAXserver 3100 C_VAXLAB DS300-1 255 Console VAX 4100A C_WILLOW DS-VAXCON 255 Console VAX 4505A C_XANDER DS-VAXCON 90 Console MicroVAX 3800 GW GW 5 Cisco LAT GW INFOSERVER INFOSERVER 255 VAXlab IS1000 IS150VXT_1 IS150VXT_1 255 IS150VXT voor Test KEBAB KEBAB 19 Compaq Tru64 UNIX V5.1B LAT SERVICE MIPSFAIR MIPSFAIR 0 DEC OSF/1 Version 2.0 LAT SERVICE MODEM DS200-2 255 Courier I-Modem OMNIBUS DS200-2 90 Test Omni (kebab)~$ > ccr (ncp connect node), CCR is part of MOP (MOP Remote Console), not LAT, but OK. Its there, too, yes. --f -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

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DEC OSF/1 V2.0 on DECstation :) (MIPS)

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hiyas, OK. Yes, it *is* there. And running. I managed to install a fairly weird tape kit containing V2.0 BL8 of DEC's OSF/1 UNIX offering for their MIPS-based "DECstation" line of systems. It actually runs pretty good. Even on a very small machine (the first test system was a DS2100 (12.5MHz R2000 with 24MB ;-) it works fine. Even LAT works like a charm :) I can see why they didnt release this one, though.. it is quite raw, unfinished in many areas (I had to really work and tweak stuff before I got a prompt..) and they obviously never intended this to work on serial-console systems :) But.. yay. It works, now. Just for the record: ----------------------------------------------------------------- (vaxlab)$ telnet mipsfair Trying 10.0.11.89... Connected to mipsfair. Escape character is '^]'. OSF/1 (mipsfair) (ttyp0) login: root Password: DEC OSF/1 X2.0-8 (Rev. 155); Sun Nov 14 21:45:24 MET 1999 DEC OSF/1 X2.0-8.1 Worksystem Software (Rev. 133) The installation software has successfully installed your system. There are logfiles which contain a record of your installation. These are: /var/adm/smlogs/install.log - general log file /var/adm/smlogs/it.log - log for it(8) utility /var/adm/smlogs/install.FS.log - file system creation logs /var/adm/smlogs/setld.log - log for the setld(8) utility /var/adm/smlogs/fverify.log - verification log file # uname -a OSF1 mipsfair 2.0 2.0 mips # ----------------------------------------------------------------- For those who would like to play with it, contact me off-list. If you happen to have OSF stuff lying around [*and* know where to find it *evil smile*..] drop me a line, please! Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

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more talking to the press

by stevew＠ka6s.com

I wrote: > I'm not aware of any other production systems with speculative > execution that are on-charter for this list (e.g., introduced before > 12-nov-1993). Well - how about the IBM 360/91 - and I imagine the Burroughs high-end stuff did as well. I'm pretty sure the B4900 did, which suggests the B6900 probably did the same. These are circa 1980. Steve Wilson (Burroughs Alum)

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8086 (was Re: more talking to the press.)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 14, 17:28, Tom Jennings wrote: > All criticisms are correct, my only defense is that it was 'for > illustration purposes only' (sic). > > But it also proves a point, no code is 'temporary', kludges last forever > to embarrass their authors and all code needs documentation :-) I can only use one "word" to follow that up: IEFBR14 -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Compiler optimization (was: 8086 (was Re: more talking to the

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 14, 20:23, Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner wrote: > Oh, I used the IRIX cc compiler. I found it to be a much nicer ANSI C > compiler than GCC, and with full warnings would tell you which section of > ANSI C (chapter and verse) which might cause a problem. If I'm using IRIX, > I would rather use the IRIX cc than gcc. Unfortunately, it now costs an arm > and a leg (then too!) Yes, more's the pity. Unless you're running a really old version of IRIX, like 5.3, in which case you can download the IDO for free, these days, so long as you don't mind it not having some of the libraries that we tend to take for granted these days. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Compiler optimization (was: 8086 (was Re: more talking to the

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 14, 16:48, Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner wrote: > I know the IRIX C compiler can do global optimizations but that takes > quite a bit of time and processing power; I never bothered with it when I > was programming under IRIX. And this was at least 10 years ago so it's > margially on topic here 8-P Maybe you should have. About 1996, I did a project during which (as a side-effect) I spent a while looking at compiler output, and comparing gcc to IRIX cc. In all the cases I tried, cc took about the same time to compile as gcc, but produced faster (and often smaller) code. That's not too surprising, really. For one thing, cc used a bigger optimisation window. For another, it's written by a bunch of people who are very close to the processor it's written for, and they didn't have to worry about whether anything would work with some other architecture; they could (and did) do extensive re-ordering of instructions. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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DECconnect MMJ plugs

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hiyas, Now that I'm doing nothing anyway, might as well pester y'all with a question. Its offtopic, so there. I am blessed with many feet of DECconnect cable (ya know, the flat serial cables DEC used) and most of that cable is crimped with one MMJ, and one RJ45 - probably cables going to RJ45 wall sockets. Obviously, I want to get rid of the RJ45's, soo.. where does one order a bag (250-500) of these MMJs these days? I have the right tools for it, just not the MMJs - used to have them a long time ago, but that supply didnt last forever ... If anyone knows a source, preferrably in Europe, that would be great! Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

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What to do with a fully functional Apple IIGS besides play Oregon Trail

by brc138＠psu.edu

My family has a fully functional Apple IIGS computer purchased in 1984 or 1985 I believe. It has a 5.25" and two 3.5" daisy chained drives, printer, keyboard and mouse, joystick, and lots of software (old games) for it. Is it of any value or interest to anyone? Anybody know a way to electronically transfer old documents from the word processor programs of that day to modern Word format - or is my best option to print and scan anything of significance? Benjamin R. Campbell Assistant Research Engineer Electro-Optics Science and Technology Center 77 Glade Drive Kittanning, PA 16201 email: <mailto:brc138@psu.edu> brc138(a)psu.edu work: 724-543-0266 cel: 412-877-0072 fax: 724-545-9797 <file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/bcampbell/Application%20Data/Microsof t/Signatures/www.electro-optics.org> www.electro-optics.org

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Fairchild MB8116E == 4116 ?

by uban＠ubanproductions.com

Is a Fairchild MB8116E the same as a standard 16kx1 4116 dynamic RAM? Does anyone have a bunch (80 or more) that they would be willing to part with? I need to populate the 2nd half of a memory board. --tom

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TREK73 and Star Traders

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 14, 12:58, Al Kossow wrote: > > both appear to be on > 2000dmp5-5-84iclContrib.tap [...] > 12% fgrep TREK73 * > Binary file 00316 matches [...] > 13% strings *316*|more > ------------------------------------ 00316 ------------------------------------- > TREK > $R *** CHAIN TO TREK1,TREK2,TREK3,TREK4,TREK0 2-DEC-78 A. DE MARTINO > R *** IN A100 *** > R TREK73: AN ADVANCED STAR TREK BATTLE SIMULATION > R PROGRAMMED BY WILLIAM K. CHAR AND ASSOCIATES, WILSON > R EDP, 400 MANSELL, SAN FRAN, CA 94134, (415) 239-6460 > R 26 NOVEMBER 1973 ***FOR AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL ONLY*** > )HAVE YOU SEEN BATTLE BEFORE [ YES OR NO ] This is a later version, not the original. I'm sort of glad about that, because I was halfway through retyping the last part (of about 50 pages) when my email client beeped and I read this ;-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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BIGMES

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 14, 13:06, Al Kossow wrote: > > www.bitsavers.org/HP/paperTapes/BIGMES.PTP The URL is actually http://www.bitsavers.org/HP/paperTapes/bigmes.txt > from Doug Quebbeman, copied on the last cross country > road trip that I made. Doug gave me a copy a while ago, it's been at http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/public/startrek/ for a while. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Apple Lisa 1

by teoz＠neo.rr.com

Whats an apple lisa 1 worth with twiggy drives? Somebody has one on ebay (2763806974 ) bid at $3,250 (reserve not met) and 3+ days left to go.

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more talking to the press.

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 14, 5:35, Eric Smith wrote: > There's no challenge in naming a few parts that have speculative > execution. No, I suppose there isn't, assuming one knows what the term means at all, because it's common in modern processors. > However, I may have been a bit hasty. Although I don't think the > R4600 was out at that time, after thinking about it some more it > occurs to me that some earlier R4K series parts may have had > speculative execution, and probably the DEC Alpha (20164). I don't know much about the inner workings of Alphas, so I didn't mention it. Nor do I know all that much about the inner workings of R4K prior to the R4600, except that I know an R4600 will outstrip an R4400 at the same clock speed (modulo cache differences) and an R4400 will outdo an R4000 by a fair bit. In fact, the earliest R4000 chips were embarrassingly slow. I don't think R3000 or R4000 had speculative execution, but I'm not absolutely sure. > > I meant the Pentium family. > > Is there really a Pentium family? Aside from the Pentium Pro, > Pentium II, and Pentium 3, which use similar cores, there seems to be > little microarchitectural similarity between parts for which Intel uses > the "Pentium" name. For instance, there seems to be more similarity > between the i486 and Pentium cores than between the Pentium III and > Pentium IV cores, despite the fact that the Pentium was superscalar > and the i486 was not. I'm sure you're right. I've almost deliberately avoided knowing too much about Intel chips post-8085, except to find out what MMX really does, and discovering along the way that Intel do seem to have changed their minds a few times. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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BIGMES

by aek＠spies.com

www.bitsavers.org/HP/paperTapes/BIGMES.PTP >from Doug Quebbeman, copied on the last cross country road trip that I made.

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TREK73 and Star Traders

by aek＠spies.com

both appear to be on 2000dmp5-5-84iclContrib.tap I think Eric has already written a program to convert back >from TSB packed form to text. 247% fgrep "TRADERS" * Binary file 00313 matches Binary file 00314 matches Binary file 01780 matches Binary file 01781 matches 12% fgrep TREK73 * Binary file 00316 matches Binary file 00384 matches Binary file 00387 matches Binary file 00993 matches Binary file 00994 matches Binary file 00995 matches Binary file 00996 matches Binary file 00997 matches Binary file 00998 matches Binary file 00999 matches Binary file 01000 matches Binary file 01001 matches Binary file 01002 matches Binary file 01003 matches Binary file 01004 matches Binary file 01006 matches Binary file 01007 matches Binary file 01008 matches Binary file 01009 matches Binary file 01022 matches Binary file 01024 matches Binary file 01025 matches Binary file 01027 matches Binary file 01028 matches Binary file 01029 matches Binary file 01030 matches Binary file 01031 matches Binary file 01032 matches Binary file 01033 matches Binary file 01034 matches 13% strings *316*|more ------------------------------------ 00316 ------------------------------------- TREK $R *** CHAIN TO TREK1,TREK2,TREK3,TREK4,TREK0 2-DEC-78 A. DE MARTINO R *** IN A100 *** R TREK73: AN ADVANCED STAR TREK BATTLE SIMULATION R PROGRAMMED BY WILLIAM K. CHAR AND ASSOCIATES, WILSON R EDP, 400 MANSELL, SAN FRAN, CA 94134, (415) 239-6460 R 26 NOVEMBER 1973 ***FOR AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL ONLY*** )HAVE YOU SEEN BATTLE BEFORE [ YES OR NO ] CAPTAIN: MY LAST NAME IS : MY SEX IS MISS FAIRY FRUIT ' I'M EXPECTING [1-9] ENEMY VESSELS. UHURA: ,, STARFLEET COMMAND REPORTS THAT IT CAN ONLY BE FROM 1 TO 9. TRY AGAIN. 4: CORRECT, LIEUTENANT--JUST TESTING YOUR ATTENTION.

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Fwd: Mitsubishi Mini-Business Computer available

by jfoust＠threedee.com

This computer is located in Macau, adjacent to Hong Kong. It wasn't clear to me if the owner expected to be paid, or if he just wanted someone to pick it up. Six attachment JPGs of sales literature available on request to me via private email. Looks like a 160 kg desk with a monitor, keyboard, integrated 132 column printer, and two 240K 8" drives. The literature claims an 8-bit LSI CPU, about 8K words RAM. - John >From: "CyberMe" <cyberme(a)macau.ctm.net> >To: <jfoust(a)threedee.com> >Subject: Historical Computer - Collector Item >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:54:37 +0800 > >I don't know whether or not you could help me to find any collector that would be interested of my offer, a historical Mitsubishi Mini-Business Computer, a landmark that symbolized computers migrating from Main Frame to Desktop. I herewith enclosed its original catalogs for your easy reference. > >Awaiting your soonest reply. > >Thanks and best regards, >Monte

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Grandfather system RTE6/VM?

by aek＠spies.com

> I'm 99% sure I have the microcode roms for RTE-6 I have them as well. I should have a grandfather tape or two around also. Jay, have you ever seen any documentation of what the added instructions do? I turned up some docs from Sam on RTE4, and at that time they were MMU related and may have included queue and some of the OS scheduler.

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Tektronix 7854 Waveform Calculator

by brc138＠psu.edu

I found a post online that you once had a Tektronix 7854 Waveform Calculator (http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2003-January/007249.html) I have a mainframe that needs one. do you still have it? Benjamin R. Campbell 5332 Hardt Road Gibsonia, PA 15044-9114 home: 724-443-0022 cel: 412-877-0072 email: brc138(a)psu.edu www.personal.psu.edu/users/b/r/brc138/ Assistant Research Engineer Electro-Optics Science and Technology Center 77 Glade Drive Kittanning, PA 16201 work: 724-543-0266 fax: 724-545-9797 www.electro-optics.org "One should not pursue goals that are easily achieved. One must develop an instinct for what one can just barely achieve through one's greatest efforts." - Albert Einstein

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more talking to the press.

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 13, 21:48, Eric Smith wrote: > Peter Turnbull wrote: > > Then I get three because I understood it, and can think of processors > > that do it -- and a few more because I've not only got some (MIPS > > R4600, R5K and R10K) > > None of which were available in November 1993. And having used the > R4600 quite a bit in 1996, I'm fairly sure that it did *not* have > speculative execution. I thought the R4600 was, though maybe it was early 1994, but actually I wasn't claiming any particular date -- just that they do speculative execution. > > The Pentium can do speculative execution as well, > > The Pentium was superscalar, but did not do speculative execution. > SE was introduced with the Pentium Pro, which was not introduced until > 1995. I meant the Pentium family. Yes, I knew the Pentium Pro was the first -- and it didn't work all that well so Intel changed the branch prediction algorithm for the Pentium II. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Fwd: Mitsubishi Mini-Business Computer available

by jfoust＠threedee.com

This computer is located in Macau, adjacent to Hong Kong. It wasn't clear to me if the owner expected to be paid, or if he just wanted someone to pick it up. Six attachment JPGs of sales literature available on request to me via private email. Looks like a 160 kg desk with a monitor, keyboard, integrated 132 column printer, and two 240K 8" drives. The literature claims an 8-bit LSI CPU, about 8K words RAM. - John >From: "CyberMe" <cyberme(a)macau.ctm.net> >To: <jfoust(a)threedee.com> >Subject: Historical Computer - Collector Item >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:54:37 +0800 > >I don't know whether or not you could help me to find any collector that would be interested of my offer, a historical Mitsubishi Mini-Business Computer, a landmark that symbolized computers migrating from Main Frame to Desktop. I herewith enclosed its original catalogs for your easy reference. > >Awaiting your soonest reply. > >Thanks and best regards, >Monte

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Apple II gs Disk help needed

by cmcnabb＠4mcnabb.net

We received a letter (on real paper, envelope and all) here at Virginia Tech yesterday from an elderly couple who need some help converting from old 5.25" floppies to somewhat less old 3.5" floppies. The letter was address to the "Computer Department" but for some strange reason it ended up in my cube. Other than plugging a few cables into the new G-5 Cluster, I have no experience at all with Apple stuff. If any one on the list can help these folks out, I'm sure they would appreciate it. Here is the text of the letter: -----------------------------------cut------------------------------------ 213 Heady Avenue Louisville, Ky 40207 10 November 2003 To the Computer Department Virginia Polytechnic Institute Blacksburg, VA Dear Computer Genius(es), Can you help us? This is a serious request. We have an old Apple II c or gs word processor (old = 1985).(We are also old, 65 & 70.) We have important data on about 30 5.25" full floppy disks from it, which we are trying to "CONVERT" to the newer 3.5 disks. It would take years to retype it all. We need all kinds of "exact" help - people have been "trying" to help us and we can't get anywhere, i.e., we have an antique and expensive Apple II 3.5 disk drive bought from a reseller. Now we are having trouble finding the old single sided 800 KB 3.5 disks we believe it takes. IF we find those disks, we need to know the process for transferring the data. IF THERE IS ANYONE IN THE COMPUTER DEPARTMENT WHO REMEMBERS HOW TO DO THIS ANCIENT TECHNOLOGY - and where we can by the SS 800 KB disks - and could they please help us with simple step instructions? Our e-mail can be used to send instructions (simple, please) dkelly(a)worldnet.att.net We would be very gratefully if anyone can help. Thanks for reading. Sincerely, (s) Dave and Wanda Kelly Dave and Wanda Kelly ---------------------------------cut------------------------------------- So, it looks like they need a source of disks and some instructions on how to copy the files. If any one can help them out please send them email direct to the address in the letter.

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Yellowed computer parts

by rhahm＠nycap.rr.com

Here is what I use: For mild/moderate cleaning Simple Green works great. For heavy yellowing I use Purple Power which removes a lot of, but not all, of the yellowing (careful this can discolor metal). I use both with the Black and Decker Versa Pac rotary scrub brush with the soft brush attachment, if the case is removable, in the sink or driveway with a hose. Simple Green diluted 1:1 with water with a rag and Q-tips for cleaning the keyboard and parts of the computer near elecrical components that can't be hosed down or put in the sink as in step one. Goo-Be-Gone for spot cleaning of residue from stickers etcetera. Meguiar's Protectant as a last step.

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more talking to the press.

by larry＠laurelnet.com

You left out HCF - Halt and Catch Fire Larry JGL - Jump and Get Lost BFN - Branch for No Reason SIT - Shift if Tuesday RUB - Rotate Until Barf SFR - Set Flags at Random NMO - Non Maskable Overrun DAC - Divide and Conquer LMB - Logical Maybe EBS - Emit Burning Smell LCM - Loop Clear all Memory and one of my all-time favorites POF - Power On Fail Cheers John

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Service Source Manuals

by branard＠bellsouth.net

Thanks for posting these. However, I did not see my Mac listed, the 9600. Is it available? What a service you provide us old Mac users.

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Grandfather system RTE6/VM?

by holger.veit＠ais.fhg.de

I am working for some time now to get RTE-6/VM to run on simh. Note that this software is meanwhile available for free from HP, see image Z00701 RTE_6 Z007 RTE-6 RELEASE 6.2 FROM HP in Interex RTE/CSL archive 4030 at http://www.interex.org/tech/csl/RTE/submits4030.html (last contribution in list) What I need is a 1:1 disk dump of a bootable RTE-6/VM system (should be LU 2) to further debug the simulator. This might be produced by dumping the raw disk image into a HP1000 record (FMGR) file and then transferring this file via kermit to another host. This might result in a file that still has the common HP record separators in it, but I can remove such markup. A so-called grandfather system might be useful, but a working RTE where the above upgrade may by installed is probably usable as well. Anyone to help me with this? Thanks in advance Holger

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ebay question

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I have a couple questions about ebay/paypal, and figured some folks on the list here might know the "straight scoop". 1) If some seller sets up an auction as private (yet it still shows up on the listings) - the deal is that no one can see who bid on it, or who is currently the high bidder. In this set up, how can I be sure the seller isn't bidding on his own auction to drive up the price? He's taunting me I bet demmit! heh 2) Hypothetically, say I sell an item on Ebay for... oh... $2500.00. The guy could pay me via paypal, or he could send me a cashiers check. Does Paypal report transactions to the IRS? Or more importantly, if I sell items on ebay all year... do I have to track all that and report to IRS? Never really thought of it cause it probably isn't much money anyways. But I am curious if ebay and/or paypal reports to the IRS. Jay West --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

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more talking to the press.

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 13, 0:29, Eric Smith wrote: > > Notice to all: I'm claiming an extra geek point because this entire > > message > > makes perfect sense to me. --Patrick > > OK, then I claim two extra geek points for having written it. Then I get three because I understood it, and can think of processors that do it -- and a few more because I've not only got some (MIPS R4600, R5K and R10K) but I know how to tell them what the best guess is (they have forms of branch instruction that can be tagged in assembler as "likely" or "not likely", to modify the internal branch prediction mechanism). The Pentium can do speculative execution as well, and one version even did a fetch of both branches, but only a pre-fetch, not execution. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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cctalk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 28

by stevew＠ka6s.com

> On a more serious note, many state-of-the-art processors do sort of > implement "branch both ways" in the sense that they do speculative > execution of both paths then discard the results on one path once the > condition is resolved. A limited form of speculative execution was > used by the IBM 7030 Data Processing System (AKA "Stretch"), introduced > in 1961. I'm not aware of any other production systems with speculative > execution that are on-charter for this list (e.g., introduced before > 12-nov-1993). > > Eric Eric, If I'm not mistaken - this approach was used in later Burroughs hardware, like the B6800, B6900, B4900 series machines (late 70's early 80's.) I would imagine the IBM 360/91 also did this. Steve Wilson (Burroughs Alum)

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about:the pdp-11 rsx-11m system manual

by CHENJ＠csmc.com.cn

Hell: I got the information from the internet that you have the manual,So I 'd like konw how can I get it.

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TRON...

by bpope＠wordstock.com

I just saw TRON again last night... Very cool movie IMHO. In the beginning of the movie it looks like Flynn is using an Apple computer to hack into ENCOM. There is also a scene where the heros are running through a huge room filled with mainframes. Does anyone know if these were real mainframes and if so, what kind are they? Cheers, Bryan Pope

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Seriously old computers: Radio Research Instrument Co.

by wmaddox＠pacbell.net

While scouring the web for leads on classic computers, I came across a VERY interesing listing of items for sale, to wit: MINUTEMAN DIGITAL COMPUTER. General purpose synchronous, serial, digital computer originally used to solve inertial guidance problems. Mag disc memory 2688 words of 27 bits each. Clock speed 345.6K/sec. Pwr: 28V DC, and 115V, 3 Ph, 400 Hz. Mfr: Autonetics. DATA PROCESSOR. Includes tape reader, punch, and display. Mfr: Control Data 8090. DIGITAL COMPUTER. Cabinet mounted with memory core, and operating panel. Pwr: 115V, 60 Hz. Mfr: Digital Equipment. PDP-5. What I wanted was the PDP-5. I called these guys up, identified myself as a vintage PC collector, and and spoke to a gentleman named Doyle. Unfortunately, the PDP-5 has been sold. I inquired about the 8090, but Doyle didn't know immediately whether they still had it, and I wasn't prepared to make a serious offer for it. The 8090 is a variant or derivative of the CDC 160A, but that is all I know about it. Anyhow, here is the info for anyone who is interested: Radio Research Instrument Co., Inc. 584 N. Main St. Waterbury, CT 06704 USA Tel: 203-753-5840 Fax: 203-754-2567 http://www.radioresearch.thomasregister.com Look under "Test Equipment/Computers". Their primary line of business is secondary-market sales and service of military-grade radar equipment. Some of the stuff listed on their website is wild, and I'm sure you've got to have the approval of a few federal agencies to buy it... --Bill

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Any schools with Apple ][s need brand new software???

by KevenM＠exegesys.com

I agree, I thought it is on of the best and easiest to learn/teach concepts of machine instructions. We have a school here (Orem Utah) for the disabled that uses Apple IIs. They usually use a couple packages that use point/click to get a response. Using ECHO+ speach to talk and special touch pads for the kids. I'll have to ask it they could use the software. Keven Miller kevenm(a)reeltapetransfer.com

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Schematic of TRS80 L1

by STSMITH＠flemingc.on.ca

hello I have an early Radio Shack TRS80 L1 computer. I bought it new in the late seventies. I got it out of storage the other day to show my students and found that the horiziontal synch wasn't working. I am looking for a schematic to fix . Can you help me out? Stan Smith Sir Sandford Fleming College Peterborough Ontario Canada

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manual for Fluke 8506?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Does anybody have a manual for the fluke 8056 digital Multimeter that they're willing to part with or make a copy of? Joe

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Executive Suite

by vance＠neurotica.com

Does anyone have the old *old* DOS games Executive Suite lying around? I'm looking for a copy. Peace... Sridhar

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HP 2000 TSB simulated?? was: HP 2000 BASIC help / TREK73

by bbrown＠harper.cc.il.us

I'd love to help but C is not one of my skills. Does anyone have info about how to get simh to get some flavor of TSB working? Jay, I REALLY look forward to giving your emulator a spin when it's ready! -Bob >Simh is one emulator that supposedly has some version of TSB mostly >functioning. > >I am working on an emulator specifically for TSB... but mine is about 6 >months away from beta release. But if I could find some good unix C >programmers to help, it would be faster :) > >Jay >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Brown" <bbrown(a)harper.cc.il.us> >To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" ><cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:32 AM >Subject: HP 2000 TSB simulated?? was: HP 2000 BASIC help / TREK73 > > > > What steps are needed to get some semblance of hp 2000 tsb (either > > 2000F or ACCESS or whatever) running in an emulator? > > I've been looking and hoping for something like this for a LONG time. > > > > -Bob > > > > > > > > > > "Pete Turnbull" <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> wrote: > > > > What I really would like is an HP 2000 (2100?) emulator. > > > > I've found Jeff Moffat's but not tried it yet. Is there anything >else > > > > I should look for? > > > > > >SIMH. If you run two instances of SIMH, you can actually run > > >HP 2000F TSB. It doesn't run perfectly, so there are still some > > >bugs to be exorcised. And it won't yet run HP 2000 Access. > > > > bbrown(a)harpercollege.edu #### #### Bob Brown - KB9LFR > > Harper Community College ## ## ## Systems Administrator > > Palatine IL USA #### #### Saved by grace > > > >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] bbrown(a)harpercollege.edu #### #### Bob Brown - KB9LFR Harper Community College ## ## ## Systems Administrator Palatine IL USA #### #### Saved by grace

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ZN448E

by phillipmilks＠juno.com

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HP 2000 BASIC help / TREK73

by SPEDRAJA＠ono.com

Hi everybody: > So who has info on how to get some form of hp TSB running on simh? > > -Bob More clearly: Where can we obtain one TSB package ready to run (with instructions) under SIMH ? Other software is welcome too. Cheers Sergio

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HP 2000 BASIC help / TREK73

by aek＠spies.com

> What I really would like is an HP 2000 (2100?) emulator. Supnik's SIMH has booted 2000TSB. Actually, 2000 Access. I'm not sure if anyone has gotten the earlier versions to work.

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Any schools with Apple ][s need brand new software???

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Any 5.25 media that isn't HD is almost impossible to find nowdays, for >those of us who still dabble in the 8 bit world. They can't be that valuable... I threw out close to 5000 DS/DD 5.25 disks because I couldn't get enough people willing to take them. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Hard drive on a card

by cb＠mythtech.net

I've got a Kalok hard drive on an ISA card available. Its marked as a Kalok KL330 on the drive, and the card assembly is marked as a CARD30R. It should be a 32 MB drive. I'm nearly 100% positive that this drive does NOT work. But if anyone wants it to play with, its available. Just cover shipping costs from 07450 (its somewhat heavy, so figure on 2 or 3 lbs packed). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Anyone heard of Gespac?

by ian_primus＠yahoo.com

I found a box of these boards at a scrap place. I have ten boards, two backplanes, and a bus extender. I don't exactly know what these are, however. The connectors are "eurocard" style (I think that's what they are called), they look similar to Macintosh NUBUS connectors. I don't really know much about them other than what components are on the boards. The boards: http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_boards.jpg CPU board: GESMPU-4B It uses a Motorola MC68000FN8, some PLA's, two 27128's, and a 1488/1486 driver pair. It has a twenty pin IDC header on the edge of it, and two pushbuttons, one red and one black. It also has a five pin header, and two LED's. http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_cpu.jpg Parallel board: GESPIA-2A It has two MC6821P's on it, and two twenty six pin IDC headers on the edge. http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_pia.jpg Serial board: GESSIO-1E It has two 6850's. It also has two sockets for a 1488/1489 driver pair, but the chips are missing, with a post-it in the package, with "MC1488P MC1489P" written on it, as if someone borrowed the chips, and left a note. There are two twenty pin headers on the edge. http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_serial.jpg INC board (whatever that is...): GESINC-1 A bunch of TTL logic, some PLA's, a 34 pin IDC header, a ten pin IDC header, and another one of those five pin headers like on the CPU board. http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_inc.jpg RAM board: GESRAM-4B 18 TMS4256-12NL DRAMs and a bunch of logic chips. http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_ram.jpg I also have a bus extender card. It's just a board with a connector on both ends, and a jumper block to select which signals are connected. http://24.194.65.231/images/gespac_extender.jpg Anyone know what these boards are for? What kind of a computer might these have come from? I probably have enough parts to create a working computer, but I'll need to figure out how to connect a storage device, and find some bootable media. Two of the three CPU cards have two NVRAM chips on them, the other one has two ROM chips in it's place, so I'm worried that the NVRAM might have become slightly more V over time, so I don't know if I could get them to work. I have three CPU boards, two parallel boards, two serial boards, two INC boards, and one RAM board. I also have two backplanes and the bus extender. The backplanes are labeled with the proper voltages, so powering it shouldn't be a problem, the problem will be figuring out what the pinouts of the serial ports are, etc. Any ideas? Thanks! Ian Primus ian_primus(a)yahoo.com

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IBM Displaywriter

by mark.singer＠gbronline.com

Are you still looking for an IBM Displaywriter to purchase. I have a working one that I have kept in case I needed data stored on disks, but which I would now like to get rid of. If you are no longer interested, do you know who might be? Mark R. Singer 11011 King Street, Suite 150 Overland Park, KS 66210 Tel.: 913-642-3600 Fax: 913-451-1021 E-mail: mark.singer(a)gbronline.com This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are a communication from an attorney and contain CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION, which may also be LEGALLY PRIVILEGED and which is intended only for the use of the designated recipient. If the recipient of this e-mail is not the designated recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the designat recipient, you are hereby on notice that you are in possession of private, confidential and/or privileged information. Any dissemination, distribution, use or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone (collect to 913-642-3600) or by return e-mail (mark.singer(a)gbronline.com) and promptly delete the original transmission and destroy any materials received. Your cooperation/assistance is appreciated.

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Server flood soon

by pdp11_70＠retrobbs.org

eserve.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20031113131826.06cf7948(a)pop.freeserve.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah yes. I just built a new (by new I mean new use for an old box) WINS NT4 server box. Next year is the Active Directory conversion project, God save us all. This year, I did the migrating from Novell 4.11 to Windows 2000 (in an NT4 domain) project. I'd rather have migrated it all to Novell 6, but, believe it or not, Microsoft was cheaper.... ...of course, if I *really* had my way, I'd convert all the Windows servers to Samba 3.0 I can dream, right? Take Care, mark Rob O'Donnell wrote: > As a techie responsible for supporting a number of small businesses, I > can confirm this - while we have a few who run fairly recent versions > of Windows Server on modern kit, I can count at least as many whose > entire business still runs off machines which are almost on topic for > this list. Certainly we've lots of NT4 Server systems out there, some > even running on P1 boxes. >

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Server flood soon

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

By the time this happens, I'll hav switched my home network to LindowsOS. I'm already tired of the Microshaft - Intel straightjacket monopoly, and will be quite concerned for the networking world (including the internet), when their vaunted "M03" technology is fully deployed. I've already drifted my hardware away from Intel, and am currently seeking applications to run under a Linux environment. Its not a hard thing to do, and if enough of us do it, maybe Microshaft will finally learn some lessons. "Upgrade" or evacuate? Your call... Go AMD! Go DDR! Go LindowsOS! Cheers... Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com> -----Original Message----- From: Mike Ford [mailto:mikeford@socal.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:01 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only Subject: Server flood soon Microsoft is dropping support for NT server in January, and what I am hearing from many sources is that ALL NT systems either go XP or out the door.

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Cromemco C-10

by ejchapel＠comcast.net

I have a Cromemco C-10 that works great. Dual floppy drives and the SP software package are there as well. The item I would like to add is the pedestal for the monitor. It is made of dark brown plastic. Cromemco touted it in the early '80s as 'ergonomic' before the word was cool. Anyone know of a Cromemco resource where I might find the pedestal? Ed Vancouver, WA

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The CFX-40 starred in a Movie!

by scottmueller＠compuserve.com

Did you know that our beloved CFX-40 had a starring role in a movie?! Either did I, until I was channel surfing the other day, and lo and behold there it was, shown in glorious full-screen detail no less! The CFX-40 actually seems to have quite a pivotal role, it appears in several scenes throughout (including the opening scene), but is featured most predominantly in one scene where it is used to help captive warriors escape >from the clutches of an evil king and his barbarian henchmen. You read that right, in this movie, a CFX-40 is clearly being worn by what appears to be a primitive warrior wielding a sword. <g> The watch is even shown close-up as he uses it to reflect the sun into the evil king's eyes, blinding him. In the confusion the king is stabbed to death by a bikini clad warrior princess, initiating a fight by which the warriors escape. OK, enough suspense: The movie is "Gor" <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095241>, which was produced in 1987, based on the 1966 book "Tarnsman of Gor" by John Norman (a pseudonym for Professor John Lange) <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0759200548>. I never read the book, but I don't believe the watch is featured there. <g> Beware, this movie is probably one of the worst you'll ever see, even by MST3K standards <http://www.mst3k.com>. However it does feature warrior women in leather bikinis <g>, and if you're a fan of the CFX-40, I'd say it's a "must-see". Scott. PS: There is apparently a sequel called "Outlaw of Gor", but I haven't seen it and don't know if the CFX-40 appears in that one as well.

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more talking to the press.

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "ben franchuk" <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> > >Hans Franke wrote: > >> Now, beeing a 6502 Geek from the beginning and a long >> time 8086 assembly programmer, I can't realy follow >> that. The 8086 is in my eyes one of the finest designs >> around. What I realy dislike is the Z80 ... if there >> was ever a CPU with an instruction set designed using >> a random number generator, it's the Z80! > >I dislike them both, but both CPU's have the 8080 as the >founding father. As a 16 bit CPU the 8086 is great,it >is/was the stupid memory management that they used was >the killer for me. > Hi I always thought the 6800 was the best thought out instruction set for a 8 bitter. Dwight > >

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more talking to the press.

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk > >> 5) Multitech MPF-1B or MPF-1P "Micro Professor". Why? Because it folds up >> like a book - I know of no other computer like that. > >Not really. It's in a book-shaped case, but the signle-board computer >takes up one half, the other half is empty. Option boards (there's a >printer, EPROM programmer, Speech synthesiser, I/O option, etc) fit in >the other half, but then you can't close up the case.... > >> Items not necessarily in that order of course. I can probably fix a SYM1 and >> I would actually prefer a SYM - ISTR they didn't use mask programmed 6530 >> (6532?) chips, unlike the MOS KIM. The AIM65 is, IMHO, pretty neat. I like > >Must be the 6530. The 6532 is a RIOT (RAM, I/O, Timer) and AFAIK has no >mask-programming options. Hi There are a number of similar things between the 6530 and 6532, other than the ROM in the 6530. Still, you can't just replace all 6530's with a EPROM and a 6532 because some of the level inversions and address selects are mask selected in the 6530. I've not looked into the one on the kim but for those that have blown 6530's, one may still be able to make a board using a 6532/EPROM and a little glue logic. I have a Gottlieb pinball machine that this is not as easy to do because of signal inversions. Dwight > >> the 6502 - what can you expect from someone who grew up using BBC Micros? :) >> At least the 6502 is a bit more logical than, say, the x86 >shudder<. > >Err, I'm a 6809er.... > >-tony >

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*******wanted info on the 1920's televox robot project at Westinghouse...

by esharpe＠uswest.net

wanted info on the 1920's televox robot project at Westinghouse... just thought I would ask incase one of you remembers seeing anything on this or has any old documentation..... yea already did the google and the Westinghouse thing! Thanks! Ed Sharpe Archivist for SMECC

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