- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by bear＠typewritten.org

Howdy y'all. I'm trying to dig up one or more ancient microchannel ethernet cards. Due to software limitations, it MUST be the Ungermann-Bass NICps. This will be a 16-bit full length microchannel card, with a single AUI jack (DA15F). It will NOT have an i80186 CPU on it; if it has an i80186, it's the newer Net-ONE NIUps, and won't work. I've got a pile of these cards already. Hopefully somebody out there will have one or two of these stashed away somewhere. Thanks! ok bear

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Pet Computer Software?

by pbmain＠wideopenwest.com

Does anyone out there have any sources for Pet computer software? Preferably tape, but I could probably track down a disk player as well. Better yet, has anyone designed a 'tape emulator' or anything like that?

22 years, 1 month

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Compaq Luggable

by blair＠averagebacon.com

Hey all, Before I say anything else, I've posted here before and even passed along a couple of classic computers to members of the list, so please, bear with me. I've got a Compaq luggable here that's just taking up space. I've included links at the end of this message showing pictures of the system itself, since I've no real information as to what sorts of internals it has, or even what the various expansion cards are for (save one, which is obviously parallel, and is labeled "printer"). My father used it a long time ago when he was the regional service manager for a major food and beverage equipment supplier. The system does work. One of the two floppy drives -- no hard disk on this thing -- seems to go on the fritz every once in a while, but otherwise, everything else works, AFAIK. NOTE: This declaration of fitness doesn't include the expansion cards, as I've no way to test them. Anyway, I know better than to ask "what's this thing worth," so instead I'll ask "is this thing worth anything to anyone here?" I'm from south-western Michigan, but I make semi-regular jaunts all over the state, and make the occasional trip to Chicago as well. If someone here wants the system, make me what you feel is a fair offer. If you want me to drop it off, I'll charge you for gas money in addition to whatever your fair offer is. Otherwise, you can pick it up. I'd rather not ship it, as it's large, heavy, and might not make it through the shipping process. NOTE: This system is, compared to the comparable models I've seen on eBay, in great shape. It includes the original brown Compaq labeled base, which is clean and tear/rip free. The computer itself if fairly clean, no dust accumulation outside (inside might be a different story). Anyway, on with the pictures: http://www.averagebacon.com/ebay/compaq_running.jpg http://www.averagebacon.com/ebay/compaq_screen.jpg http://www.averagebacon.com/ebay/compaq_software.jpg http://www.averagebacon.com/ebay/compaq_ports.jpg http://www.averagebacon.com/ebay/compaq_case.jpg If no one wants it, it'll probably just go to eBay. If multiple people want it, I'll take a look at the offers, and if they're all the roughly the same, put it up for private auction (and inform the list). If the offers are wildly different, I'll just take the highest one. That should keep everything and everyone (including me) nice and fair. Thanks for listening, and please feel free to drop me a line -- compaq(a)averagebacon.com -- if you have any questions or want another photo or whatnot. Sincerely, Blair Miller

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Mitsubishi Monitor

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "David V. Corbin" <dvcorbin(a)optonline.net> > >>>> [1] Bonus points for people who know what BNC stands for.... > >Bayonet Neil-Concelman or British Naval Connector! > >Although I have never been sure why the English would want to connect their >belly-buttons.... > > bayonet something connector Dwight

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Need help with monitor in Japan

by phabi0＠yahoo.com

Hi All. I'm in Japan and having a problem with a US monitor. It won't turn on...no power light or power up noises or anything. So I measured voltage across neutral and ground and there was 8VAC. So I got an electrician to wire up a proper ground. There's still 1VAC across Neutral and Ground. So I have two theories: 1) The monitor is seeing the floating ground and not liking it and refusing to turn on. 2) The monitor requires at least 110V (I'm getting 103V). I'd hate to think this thing just died, so can anyone confirm that a ground to neutral measurement should yield 0V or some very negligible voltage? Assuming the above two theories are bunk...any other ideas? Thanks for any help anyone can provide :( Thanks! Sellam __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

22 years, 1 month

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Archive 5945C tape drive - Emulex or Adaptec interface board?

by aek＠spies.com

Now, in the loft I have a pair of Archive 5945C 60MB drives They're QIC-36 interface drives apparently. -- Correct, the basic drive mech is QIC-36 -- Emulex MW0210402's -- Should be MT02 -- in order to stand a chance of reading these tapes, do I need to know what board was originally used (and even which drive!) in order to write them? -- It would certainly help. MT02's are SCSI common command set and can read QIC-11 or QIC-24 formats. If the carts are DC300,450, or 600 and they were written on a 80's - ish unix box, they will probably be readable with a 5945 and MT02. Be ABSOLUTELY sure that the capstan hasn't deteriorated before trying to do anything with a tape you care about, though. Most drives that old have rubber that has turned to goo, or WILL turn to goo once heat is applied though the motor shaft. Docs for both the Archive drive and MT02 are up on bitsavers.

22 years, 1 month

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OT: Dynamic Sciences R-1250 Reciever info?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I know this a long shot but is anyone here familar with this radio reciever? (It is NOT your run of the mill reciever!) Joe

22 years, 1 month

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Help with :CAT optical Reader

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I guy told me that the :C optical reader was great for scanning books into your computer, so I got one out of the warehouse and loaded the software that came with it. Now the problem is I can not get to the company website to get the code to use the software? Does anyone know if there is a generic code that I can use to work the scanner? I want to start scanning in all the books in the collection into my laptop (I have over 1200 books to enter). Thanks for any help or leads in finding the company or the code.

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trying to contact Bill at swtpc.com

by jwstephens＠msm.umr.edu

I recieved a query about a computer from you, probably related to this list, since your email id was VCM(a)swtpc.com. All attempts to reply to your email bounces due to your spam control. You may reach me at jws(a)world.std.com about the computer you had contacted me about on 4/29/2004. sorry for the delay, but the bounces were buried in spams titled as email bounces with phishing in them. Jim

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Need help with monitor in Japan

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi A 12v filament transformer can be used to boost the voltage. Also, Japan is 50Hz so that may also be an issue. One could even use an AC wall wart as long as the output current was rated as high as that used by the monitor. You just need to experiment with the lead polarity to get the phase to boost. You'd need to put this all in a closed box for safety because the output wires of a wall wart are not usually rated for 115V. Dwight >From: "Brent Hilpert" <hilpert(a)cs.ubc.ca> > >"Phab E. Oh" wrote: >> I'm in Japan and having a problem with a US monitor. >> It won't turn on...no power light or power up noises >> or anything. >> >> So I measured voltage across neutral and ground and >> there was 8VAC. So I got an electrician to wire up a >> proper ground. There's still 1VAC across Neutral and >> Ground. >> >> So I have two theories: >> >> 1) The monitor is seeing the floating ground and not >> liking it and refusing to turn on. >> 2) The monitor requires at least 110V (I'm getting >> 103V). >> >> I'd hate to think this thing just died, so can anyone >> confirm that a ground to neutral measurement should >> yield 0V or some very negligible voltage? >> > >If you are measuring between GND and neutral, a few volts measured is not surprising (especially with a DMM with a high input impedance), resulting from inductive/capacitive coupling between wires over the distance between your measurement point and where GND and neutral are bonded in the building (assuming that Japan does a straight GND/neutral bond as is done in North America). > >The 103V supply voltage is far more suspicious, as it is quite low relative to 115V (you don't say how old the monitor is, could it be that it predates power supplies with 'universal' supply voltage range?). Try finding a power adapter transformer to boost the voltage. (Normal Japanese line voltage is lower than North America isn't it?). Or if you are around electronics people, try to find a variac, as variacs typically have some boost on the upper end of their range (for example, a variac fed with 120V will typically boost to at least 130V, keeping in mind if the variac scale is presented in volts, the scale accuracy will vary with the input voltage). (Or, being very careful not to go to the low end, wire up the variac in reverse). > >Or (if the monitor is older) there's always looking inside the monitor for jumpers, or alternative primary taps on a power transformer, to select input voltages. >

22 years, 1 month

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Looking for Thom Restivo

by wacarder＠usit.net

Thom Restivo is supposed to be coming to VCF-East and should be in the Boston area on Thursday. I am trying to contact him on his cell phone but I keep getting voice mail. If someone sees him on Thursday or early Friday, could you ask him to call me at 803-920-2064? He's supposed to be picking some equipment up for me on Friday, but I need to talk to him to work out the logistics. Thanks, Ashley Carder

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notes on "." hosting quote

by billdeg＠degnanco.com

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Very important: Restoration of an Onyx Systems C8002

by aek＠spies.com

He gave me 15 QIC-Tapes with it, unfortunately no documents. -- Moreover,serveral tapes are corroded. -- There were many different recording formats used with DC300 style tape cartridges before the QIC standards were established. Onyx tapes predate those standards. Assuming the tape itself isn't damaged, you can put the reels into new shells. You will need to use a DEI drive to read them. As I keep telling people, DON'T EXPERIMENT WITH TAPES YOU CARE ABOUT WITH DRIVES IN UNKNOWN CONDITION! It sounds like the capstan was bad in the unit, try some other cart you don't care about before risking these tapes (which are quite rare) in that drive. It would be a good thing to take high resolution pics of the boards and to dump any programmable parts.

22 years, 1 month

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HP-86/87: Uploading floppy images over a serial connection

by vp＠cs.drexel.edu

A lot of people have been asking me how to transfer the contents of HP Series 80 floppies to a modern machine (and vice versa, of course). Up till now I have been using my Integral PC to upload binary images of the Series 80 floppies. The reason I prefer the images to the files created by LIFUTIL, is that the image can be copied back to a new floppy without dealing with the filename conversions, restoring the diskette volume name, etc. The problem with this approach is that only people with Integral PCs (or other HP-UX systems with HP-IB interfaces) may use this path [1], plus that I need to unpack and fiddle with the Integral PC every time I need to make a copy. Moreover, getting the stuff *off* the IPC is a pain because I only have the HP-IB interface. Anyway, while reading the old PCC Computer Journal issues, I came across a very interesting article by Pete Goffinet on how to use the HP binary utility "r" which is provided with the HP-86/87 Demo Disc. "r" is a binary program that contains two commands, RSECTOR for reading arbitrary sectors of an HP-IB mass storage device, and WSECTOR for writing them! I have written a pair of programs (one for the HP-87 and another for my Unix box) that allow entire images to be uploaded using an HP-87 with a serial interface. Writing a program to download images is also trivial. Do note that the programs I have written are unbelievably slooooow. If anybody can come up with some sort of speedup, pls let me know. Also, "r" works only on the HP-86/87, so the procedure will *not* work with an HP-85 (or HP-83). If anybody has an equivalent binary program for the HP-85, pls send it along. For more info read the article "Transferring diskette images from an HP-86/7 to a PC via a serial connection" at http://www.series80.org/Articles/xfer.html The HP-86/87 Demo Disc is also available at: http://www.series80.org/Programs/DEMO87/index.html (I'll also post a utility for listings and unbundling LIF floppies on a Unix box in the next couple of days). **vp [1] If you use Linux, note, that there is a comprehensive package for reading LIF floppies, called lifutils, written by Tony Duell. Unfortunately it does not run under OpenBSD which is the system I am using.

22 years, 1 month

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PET RAM retrofit (was Anybody going to VCF-East have cheap working Oscilloscope/Logic...)

by adamg＠pobox.com

Someone has already done some work on retrofitting PETs to use modern RAM chips: http://people.freenet.de/x1541/hardware/adaptors.html http://people.freenet.de/x1541/hardware/petram.html -- Adam

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Very important: Restoration of an Onyx Systems C8002

by cheri-post＠web.de

Hi all ! Two years ago, a friend of mine gave me a micro which was the first one to use Unix commercially back in 1981. He told me that there was problem with the power supply. With the harddisk connected, a short circuit is produced. When it's disconncected, the Onyx doesn't work correctly, the system isn't stable. He gave me 15 QIC-Tapes with it, unfortunately no documents. Ok, so far about his information... On the internet, there's little information about the Onyx but nothing what could help. Last week, I decided to resurrect this machine, and to be honest: It's not in a good condition. :-( Things I did until now: - Replaced the fuse which was blown (somebody used the system by bypassing the dead fuse with a cable...) - Replaced the broken reset switch - Replaced the reel of the tape drive (the rubber one near the read and write head which transports the tape What's in this micro ? - CPU: Zilog 8002 @ 4 MHz - memory: 256-512kb - HDD: IMI 7720 - Tape drive: DEI (Data Electronic INC) Qic-Tape drive (you can find the document at Al's collection) - 8 terminals can be connected Moreover,serveral tapes are corroded. One of the two memory boards is not connected to the mainboard. There is a notice dated from '84 wich sais that the board is defective. With the HDD disconnected, the machine turns on, the voltages at the power supply do not leave the 5% tolerance-This leaves me to the conclusion that the supply is in good working condition. I connected a VT420 as a console terminal (there's a port for that purpose) which emulates a VT100 but nothing appears on the screen (I tried out several baud rates...). There are lots of test points on the board, serveral of these are used to messure the voltage level. And at the I/O-Board where the terminals are connected appears another problem: the 5V test Point gives out 4,15 V... There's some work to do to bring the C8002 back to life. It seems to me that this machine is very rare and that it's therefore worth to invest some work to resurrect it. But what I mostly need is your help. Is anybody familiar with the Onyx computers ? Of course, one important thing are the documents, as there are many LEDs on the boards and I just don't know their meaning. Scanning these (if they exist) is not nessecary, email communicatio n would be enough for me. Same for the IMI hard drive... I could make some photos is anybody is interested. Best Regards Pierre ____________________________________________________ Aufnehmen, abschicken, nah sein - So einfach ist WEB.DE Video-Mail: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021200

22 years, 1 month

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WD 1002-05 controller

by jamesthomson＠mac.com

Hi Tony, I am after a Western Digital WD1002-05 controller card which I need, to get a hard drive working with an old system which I have. Do you still have this card? Would you like to sell it to me? Many thanks. Regards, James Thomson

22 years, 1 month

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Modern Electronics (was Re: List charter mods & headcount... ;

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> wrote: > It would be neat to know how the Egyptians built the pyramids, but we have > cranes and stuff for that today, so even if we knew their methods, is it > really practical to teach them in engineering school? No modern cranes or other machinery can come even close to building the 3 Orion pyramids on the Giza plateau or the Baalbek stone platform in the mountains of Lebanon. The only technology that can build such structures is antigravity, which is how they were actually built. Yes, get this, technology was more advanced many thousands of years ago than it is today. Devolution is all around us. The devolution of the past 20 y or so that Tony and others lament is merely a continuation of the devolution that has been going on for the past 4000 years, ever since the year 2024 BCE when our cosmic ancestors and teachers, the Anunnaki, were overthrown and forced off this planet by the dark extraterrestrial reptilian race I call Yahwists, who are the force behind Judeo-Xtianity (the "God" entity is actually them, those galactic criminals). This tragedy occurred because of a security hole in the ancient computer systems of Anunnaki (to bring this on topic). The Yahwists managed to introduce a virus into Anunnaki's central command mainframe at their NOC on Mt. Moriah (which became Jerusalem centuries later) and generated commands to launch their nuclear missiles against their major cities (including Sodom and Gomorrah), their spaceport in the Sinai peninsula, and their key technological base on Mt. Katherine. The destruction was complete when the Jewish horde (with Yahweh's UFO flying overhead) overran Jericho. Legendary records of this lost Golden Age remained in the Library of Alexandria, but the Christians took care of that. Oh, and the Giza pyramid complex is NOT ~4500 years old as commonly believed. It is actually about 12500 y old, if not more. The 3 pyramids are arranged exactly as the belt stars of Orion: Zeta Orionis, Epsilon Orionis and Delta Orionis. The Great Pyramid is not the Pyramid of Cheops or Khufu, it's the pyramid of Zeta Orionis. The catch, however, that the astronomical alignments in the Giza complex (yes, complex, it was completely designed as a single unit before any one piece was built) do not match the stars as they appear in the sky today, but they match the stars as they appeared 12500 y ago. (The change is due to the precession of Earth's axis: the North Pole points at Polaris today, but 12500 y ago it pointed at Vega, as it will again in another 12500 y or so. The complete precessional cycle is 25920 y.) The extensive rain erosion on the Sphinx suggests a similar date. MS

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Classics near Winchester, Hampshire, UK ?

by kenziem＠sympatico.ca

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've just heard that there will be an empty suitecase traveling my way from Worthycote, Milnthorpe Lane, Winchester, Hampshire, UK. This is my chance to get a British micro for my collection. Are there any surplus classic machines in the area? Unfortunately the suiteaces will be filled for the return trip - -- Collector of vintage computers http://www.ncf.ca/~ba600 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAzfX8LPrIaE/xBZARAlCZAJ0UrDRE4YCUvrmjGm/5CRlWazsw+QCeJeN/ 2IikOKRt4yE/7YFKwOXbals= =n1n1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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The world is going to pieces...

by aek＠spies.com

> AARGH... Just looked on e-bay. There are a large number of pdp-8 items > listed by a single vendor. Looks like 1 or more /m systems has been > disassembled. Feel like I am watching humpty-dumpty, will the pieces ever > get back together again...... nope.. nothing heavy for the guy to ship either. 153.51 H212 102.50 H212 102.50 G111 50.00 G111 102.50 G233 86.00 G233 97.00 front panel 30.09 plex 74.77 8/M Omnibus 201.50 16 x top cons 50.00 M837 201.50 M7104 50.00 M8330 50.00 M8320 52.00 M8337 201.50 M7105 201.50 M7106 52.00 M840 52.00 M8335 52.00 M8336 50.00 M8300 50.00 M8310 52.00 M8655 ====== 2114.87

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DN5500 bits available

by aek＠spies.com

Wasn't expecting to get this lot.. http://www.auctionbdi.com/auctionbdi_ftp/san_jose/20040711/_0239.jpg If anyone needs 5500 bits, lmk. Preferably Bay Area, of course.

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Modern Electronics (was Re: List charter mods & headcount... ;

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "der Mouse" <mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> > >> I've only ever possessed one [microwave oven], it currently still >> seems to cook as well (or badly) as it ever did so I've had no cause >> to examine it in any detail. > >Same here. > >> If it breaks, it will get looked at (although I suspect, without ever >> having checked, that a new megnetron will cost a significant fraction >> of the price of a microwave oven). Still, there's always the chance >> that the controller or its keypad will give up the ghost. > >That's what happened with my oven. It was bought at a garage sale some >years back, and worked fine for some time (years). Then after a >lightning storm, it started beeping intermittently at odd times when it >shouldn't. After a few days, it occurred to me that if it could beep >when it wasn't suppsoed to, it could turn on the microwaves when it >isn't supposed to. I opened it up and found that the keypad and >control board all culminated in two relays, one to control the fan and >the other the microwave-generator. I checked, and a new board would >cost almost as much as we paid for the oven. So I yanked the whole >thing, wired the fan and magnetron together (I almost always used it on >high anyway, and lower power settings worked by imposing a <100% duty >cycle on the magnetron), and controlled it with an ordinary wall light >switch, on the principle that it's too simple for much to go wrong. ---snip--- Hi Interesting. I know how, just about every part of, a microwave oven works and I wouldn't have done this. I'd have thrown the thing away and bought another at a garage sale. You also have to realize that I'm the kind of fellow that once did a field repair on broken points spring of a car with some cardboard, tape and several springs from some ballpoint pens. It got me home. Also, I doubt that a normal wall light switch is rated for that large of an inductive load. Dwight

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Dec Manuals

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

BTW - I have no interest in most of those manuals. If there are any specific to the 8E, and I don't already have them, then I'd want just those. The rest will go to people on the list, after Al scans the ones he wishes to scan. I've kept track of the responses ... they appear to be spoken for several times over. More to follow.... Jay

22 years, 1 month

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Modern Electronics (was Re: List charter mods & headcount... ; -))

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> A transistor can avalanche and not recover without removing the > power. A tube can recover with the power on, as long as the metal > don't ionize. Not true, a flashover in a valve is just as destructive as a similar condition in a transistor and cannot be snubbed without removing the supplies. We have big crowbar switches here. Lee. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

22 years, 1 month

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DEC/Compaq Enterprise Storage Arrays and TL882 Tape Jukebox

by root＠parse.com

Hi folks, we came across a whack of Enterprise Server Arrays, and a TL882 tape jukebox. Here's a list of the stuff: power supply units 30-48191-4 180w 70-33252-01 NIC-SCSI 70-32866-01 terminal HSZ70 70-32832-01 w. flash card HSZ cache w/ 4 x 32MB 72pin SIMM cache battery pack 70-32188-04 fans (400293-001 McLean Eng. PR770C +12v) DS-BA35X-FA 70-33067-02 (BA356) DS-SWXRA-HA This probably *just* qualifies within the 10-year-old rule for cctech :-) though I couldn't find a date anywhere; I'm betting on mid 1990's. We're looking to get rid of this stuff in order to recoup costs on the purchase (it was a lot bid, and this was the "extra" equipment). Is anyone interested? Can anyone suggest places that might be interested in this (other than, obviously, eBay, which is where it will end up)? I'm hoping people who have these arrays are interested in spare parts like power supplies, fans, HSZ cache upgrades, etc. The arrays are missing the drives because those "had to be scrapped" for security reasons; unfortunately, they also scrapped the plastic cases that the drives resided in. Thanks in advance! Cheers, -RK -- Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices +1 613 599 8316. Realtime Systems Architecture, Consulting, Books and Training at www.parse.com Looking for Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-1 through PDP-15 minicomputers!

22 years, 1 month

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Stuff I'm bringing to VCF East

by dbetz＠xlisper.mv.com

I'm bringing the following stuff to VCF East in the hopes of finding it new homes: 1) 2 PDT-11/150's (already spoken for) 2) 2 DECmate III+'s (with hard drive and CP/M option) 3) 1 DECmate III (dual floppies) 4) 1 DEC Pro380 5) 1 DEC VR201 monitor 6) 1 DEC LK201 keyboard 7) 1 Radio Shack CoCo3 8) 1 Sun Sparc Classic X with software 9) 1 SWTP 6800 10) 1 SWTP AC-30 with documentation 11) 1 SWTP DMAF2 Floppy controller with documentation 12) 1 NEC EVAKIT-8 evaluation kit with documentation (8080 clone) 13) 1 Atari Portfolio with serial interface and memory cards and documentation 14) 1 TRS-80 Model 100 with cassette drive 15) 1 Atari Jaguar with CD-ROM drive with some games 16) 1 Micromint SB180 single board computer with documentation and software 17) 1 VAXstation 4000 VLC without hard drive 18) 1 DEC hard drive that *may* work with the 4000 VLC What I'm hoping to acquire: 1) A complete kit for the SBC6120 2) A book on 6502 assembly language programming Once I get an SBC6120 up and running I will have an additional DECmate III+ with VR201 and LK201 available.

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Tymac Tape Controller for Commodore?

by marvin＠rain.org

I found a blue Tymac controller that looks like it fits the Commodore C-64 back edge connector. Google brought up a couple of things, but I didn't see any pictures to verify that is what I have. This is in a blue case with a reset button, three LEDs for Motor/Read/Write, and two slide switches ... norm/dupl and +/-, and three connectors (1 - 3/32" and 2 - 1/8") that look like they plug into a cassette recorder. Does anyone have any information on this thing?

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Places and People around Fresno

by ron.hudson＠sbcglobal.net

Ok, I seem to have come to rest in Tulare CA remember I was in Kansas City MO for a while... Anyway - any places of interest in Fresno or nearby?

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Vaian 620?

by aek＠spies.com

I had a 622/i, an 18-bit version, the 620 with the 6-bit slices all used. It died the horrible death of wirewrap decay. I pitched it and the mauals (gulp) back in 86 or so, what a horrible mistake. == foo.. The 620 is an unusual architecture in that it was available in both 16 and 18 bit versions. I was able to pick up an 18 bit version a few years ago. Anything more about the ND 812 that you saw at a surplus place last year?

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Archive 5945C tape drive - Emulex or Adaptec interface board?

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Amongst a box of Acorn floppies that I got hold of the other day I found several DC600 tape cartridges. I thought it might be useful to see if I can get any data off them (I have no idea what's on them, if they're still readable, or what format any data on them is in - I know, I know... :) Paths scribbled on some suggest they came from some variety of Unix machine, so chances are they're tar format. Now, in the loft I have a pair of Archive 5945C 60MB drives which I didn't have the heart to throw out. God knows if they work or not. I know, I know... They're QIC-36 interface drives apparently. This is where I do the hand-waving stuff as I start to get out of my depth (my only tape experience is with modern DLT and DAT drives) I happen to have a whole box of stray interface boards with SCSI at one end and various other interfaces at the other. Included in these are Adaptec 3530GA's and Emulex MW0210402's, both of which I think bridge SCSI to QIC-36. No, I don't know if *those* work either... Question is, are these boards interchangable? Or in order to stand a chance of reading these tapes, do I need to know what board was originally used (and even which drive!) in order to write them? Furthermore, just because the drive's then on the SCSI bus, can I expect it to just appear as a modern SCSI tape unit does (i.e. if I can drive a DLT or DAT drive from my Unix OS, should the same be true of these controller boards / ancient drives)? I have the Adaptec 3530A manual, which suggests it's just a plug in and go solution (but I have no idea how the GA series boards that I have differ from the A series) Thoughts welcome, before I go trying to cable everything up! cheers Jules

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Dec manuals

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Someone just sent me an email with the line below in it: "Btw, I just found another batch of manuals, including stuff for PDP-6, -7, -8, -9, -10, -11, and -15... I imagine someone probably will want these also. " MUAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA Jay --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

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Paging Dan Veeneman

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Dan; Need to talk to you about a deal! Jay

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Free stuff for VCF East comers.....

by d_cymbal＠hotmail.com

I've got a handful of Visual Technology model 55 and 310 terminals that are destined for the scrapper, I haven't been able to give them away around here. If anyone coming east for VCF wants them for free, let me know and we can try to work something out. I've also got a boatload of other dumb terminals that I am not sure what they are -- these are CLSI OEM deals. I think some of them at least are touchscreen models, might be interesting to play with. If anybody wants them, they are also $0.00. And I've also got that Apollo DN550 19" RGB monitor that I've tried to give away a few times still available. Full disclosure: none of these have been tested. They were put into storage (working) a few years ago but haven't seen an electrical outlet since. These were from a system swap at a large public library. Only issue: I won't be at VCF :-( as I am leaving for vacation Fri. morn. If someone coming in for Thurs wants them, that would be the best time for me to make the swap. I could also do it Fri morn, but it would have to be early, like 7:00 AM. These are located over in Tewksbury MA, which is about 20 minutes from Burlington. So someone with a big truck/van (and heart????) let me know. I've also got an untested DEC Pro 350 (PC350-D2) sans keyboard and monitor that I was going to eBay, but if some wants to make a reasonable offer for it and pick it up to save the ship costs it would probably make more sense.

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TEST USERS NEEDED

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hi, I am in need of some people who can test some of the projects I am slowly cleaning up for release: 1. TDU - the Tape Distribution File Format (TDF) utility, which handles the archiving of magtapes. All my tape images are in this format, so I'd better get the tools published as well ;-) Uses my ASPI library on DOS/Win32 platforms. --> done 2. VTserver - transfer data from/to bare-metal PDP-11 systems. Uses the TDF library (above) and the TTY generic serial driver library. --> in final beta (Ashley Carder is busy testing/using it as we speak) 3. OpenMOP - full-spec MOP DL/RC server for UNIX and Win32 platforms. Uses my NETLIB generic network I/O library. --> next up for final beta (after VTserver) 4. OpenLAT - full-spec LAT server for UNIX and Win32 platforms. Uses my NETLIB generic network I/O library. --> needs cleanup and more work, after OpenMOP is done. 5. OpenPORT - full-spec LASTport (InfoServer) service for UNIX/Win32. --> final design phase, uses code from OpenMOP and OpenLAT, and uses the NETLIB library. These projects, plus their documentation, and probably one or two papers on retro-computing issues (network installing DEC systems will be one) will be my "hobby" for the second half of this year. I want these packages to be tested (and confirmed to work ;-) on the Win32 (and DOS, where possible) platforms, and on a number of often- used UNIX-ish platforms: - OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD - Linux (-intel, alpha) - DEC Ultrix-32 (vax, mips) - Digital UNIX / Tru64 My personal test platforms are Tru64 UNIX (alpha), DEC Ultrix-32 (vax and mips), OpenBSD/vax, FreeBSD/intel and Win32+DOS. Other people will have to check the builds (and working) on other platforms. Also needed is a thorough check of the documentation. If you can help on any of these, please let me know! Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://VAXlab.pdp11.nl/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Mountain View, CA, USA

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FW: RK05 question

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Isn't the track index pulse == the one pulse that is fed to the PLL phase comparator? That pulse is used to synchronize the oscillator that must run at 12 (or 16) times the frequency between 2 sector pulses to generate the (missing) sector pulses .... or am I mistaken here? - Henk, PA8PDP. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Paul Koning > Sent: dinsdag 13 juli 2004 15:59 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: FW: RK05 question > > > >>>>> "Fred" == Fred N van Kempen <waltje(a)pdp11.nl> writes: > > Fred> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Paul Koning wrote: > David> the "home" slit and synthesize the individual sectors. Never > David> tried this with an RK05 [heck havent touched one of them in > David> over 25 years!], but I have used this technique to synchronize > David> otgher items..... > >> I suppose that's possible. One way to do it would be to build a > >> PLL that's locked to the start of track pulse, and derive a 12x or > >> 16x sector clock from that. Or, analogously, you could use a PLL > >> to derive a 16 sector clock from the 12 sector clock (multiple by > >> 4/3rd, not hard with a PLL). That's probably a good solution... > > Fred> Hm, and then ignore the "real" sector pulses and feeding the > Fred> drive electronics the output of the PLL? Smart, that should > Fred> work, assuming one can format the packs given this "sector > Fred> clock". > > Yes, that's what I had in mind -- hook the optical sensor to the PLL, > feed the PLL output to where the sensor used to go. The one obvious > tricky part is to generate the track index pulse, because it isn't > equally spaced along with the sector pulses. > > Fred> Would these then be called hard- or soft-sectored? :) > > Firm-sectored? :-) > > paul >

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Slashdotting VCF East...

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

I've tried twice to get VCF East Slashdotted with no success. I'm not much of a writer and I carefully guard my Anonymous Coward status on Slashdot. Maybe someone who is a better headline writer and has some karma wants to give it a try?

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FW: RK05 question

by dvcorbin＠optonline.net

>>> >>> I guess there is more to an LLF (Low Level Format) than I realized. >>> I had thought that a completely blank RK05 media was able to be >>> FORMATed via an RK05 drive. Your answer seems to STRONGLY suggest >>> that the media must first be SECTORed correctly. >>> >>> Otherwise, it should be possible to take and RK05 media and do an >>> LLF on the drive using the system on which the media is to be used - >>> and that it would not be a problem if the media originally had an >>> incorrect number of sectors. Based on your answer, the RK05 media >>> must FIRST have the correct number of sectors. >>> >>> Can you please confirm? >>> It would be VERY interesting if the drive had the capability to change the number of mechanical "slits" in the hub on the pack..... More seriously. I wonder how good the rotational stability is on the drive. Mny of the reasons for using "hard sectored" media was because a) Drives "wobbled", and b) Accurate timing electronics were "difficult". If the drive motor speed is stable (over the course of a rotation), it*MIGHT* be possible to alter a drive to just use the "home" slit and synthesize the individual sectors. Never tried this with an RK05 [heck havent touched one of them in over 25 years!], but I have used this technique to synchronize otgher items.....

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Documentation available and wanted

by Watzman＠neo.rr.com

There is an excellent and growing "library" of old computer documentation available at: http://www.hartetechnologies.com/manuals/ The following additional specific manuals are being actively sought: * AB Digital Design Labs B810 RAM * CCS 2820 CPU Board Manual * CCS 2-Serial/2-Parallel Card Manual * Cromemco [2716] 32K Bytesaver * Cromemco 64KZ and 64KZ-II Manuals * DIGITEX Systems Manuals. * DUAL Systems Manuals not listed. * Ithaca Audio 1010 CPU Board * Konan SMC200 SMD Disk Controller * NNC ("No-Name Computers") Manuals * OSM Computer Corp Z80 CPU "CPU/64K" Board * S. D. Sales Expando-Ram I, II, III Manuals (any/all versions) * SSM (Solid State Music) MB64 64K static RAM manual * SSM VB3 Video board * Zeus System Manuals However, contributions of any manuals not currently in the archive are appreciated (or "better" copies of documents that are already available). If you have any of these in electronic format (PDF, JPEG, etc.), you may contribute them by uploading them to: ftp://ftp.hartetec.com/pub/incoming Alternatively, if you have hard copy of any of these manuals, I hereby offer to scan them to Adobe Acrobat PDF files and submit them, and, if requested, return original manuals. There are additional archives of old computer manuals at: http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ and, for Processor technology products, at: http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/sol.html Barry Watzman Watzman(a)neo.rr.com

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RK05 question

by aek＠spies.com

Can RK05s that were used on a PDP-8 be used on a PDP-11? == The drives are the same, the packs on PDP-8's are 16 sector instead of 12. I'll trade you two tested/cleaned 12 sector packs for every 16 sector one that you have.

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rk05 - crashed pack

by tradde＠excite.com

>If anyone has any *crashed* 16-sector packs, it might be worth an >experiment to unclamp the hub and put it on a former 12-sector platter, >and reformat. I don't know if that's even possible, but it's an idea. I'd be willing to donate a crashed 16 sector pack if someone wants to try this. One has a very light scrach on an outer track. Don't know if there is a way for these to mark bad tracks (would guess not). Tim _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

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HP2113E problem

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Marvin Johnston" <marvin(a)rain.org> > > > >"Dwight K. Elvey" wrote: >> >> Just out of curiosity, where does one find a 14V >> Gell-Cell? > >Easy, just overcharge a 12V gel cell :). > Hi Marvin I already have a few like this. Your welcome to the ones in my yard. It'll save me a trip to the dump. Dwight

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HP2113E problem

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Thanks. Just out of curiosity, where does one find a 14V Gell-Cell? Dwight >From: "Frank McConnell" <fmc(a)reanimators.org> > >Dwight Elvey wrote: >> I just got a HP2113E. I've not been able to use it because >> it wants to have a battery connected. There is suppose to >> be a battery simulator plug for these. I'm looking for >> any schematic or part information for this item? > ><http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2002-December/012602.html> > >in which I wrote: > ># Here I sit looking at a little black square 3x3 plug, HP p/n ># 12991-60002 (stamped in white ink on one side of the hood). > ># Inside the hood (visible through the hole in the back) there is only a ># 1/4W resistor connected to pins 4 and 6, which matches Glen's ># description. Bands are gray, red, brown, gold. Hmm, 820 ohms? ># Measures as 823 ohms on my cheap digital multimeter. > >-Frank McConnell >

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RK05 alignment cartridge

by aek＠spies.com

Could you please transfer the images to files which can be copied to bitsavers for download? == I should be able to do this, assuming the pack arrives in good shape. Just went through some misery with some packs that Sellam needed reading because the person who wanted them read didn't know how to correctly pack and ship a 2315 cartridge (you don't pack them 6 in a box with a little bubble wrap between them if you expect them to spin when they get here).

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RK05 alignment cartridge

by trash3＠splab.cas.neu.edu

Here's the deal... I have two diablo alignment cartridges. I have 21 disk packs, 12 sector. I am happy to give them all to the person who has the best chance to copy the 21 packs to some media that I can read. I am south of Boston, MA, USA. I will also gladly give up the three diablo drives I have as well... I have no controller (or else I'd do the reading myself) and no time (same result). Joe Heck

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RK05 question

by wacarder＠usit.net

Can RK05s that were used on a PDP-8 be used on a PDP-11? It seems that I read something about the sectoring being different. Ashley

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HP2113E problem

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Al I was hoping you might have the answer for this one. I just got a HP2113E. I've not been able to use it because it wants to have a battery connected. There is suppose to be a battery simulator plug for these. I'm looking for any schematic or part information for this item? Do you have this or any schematics for the supply. It seems to be the same as the 21MXX type B supply that is in the CE manual on your web page? Thanks Dwight

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Anybody going to VCF-East have cheap working Oscilloscope/LogicAnalyzer to sell?

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

>If they come up to the random-character screen (no "*** COMMODORE BASIC ***" >banner) I've run into about 1/2 dozen PET's over the years which have had ROM's go bad. Seems to be a real problem with the devices Commodore used. Often the symptom is as described above, sometimes it works "a bit" and then dies (depends where the code is corrupted). You can get most of the PET ROM images from the VICE simulator archive. Regards, -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Vintage computing equipment collector. http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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HP2113E problem

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Al I'll see you tonight. Dwight >From: aek(a)spies.com > > >Oops! got to remember to check the headers. Meant >for Al Kossow. > >-- > >recvd.. > >I have a schem set in the truck right now if you want to borrow >it. Usual time, usual place. > >

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HP2113E problem

by aek＠spies.com

Oops! got to remember to check the headers. Meant for Al Kossow. -- recvd.. I have a schem set in the truck right now if you want to borrow it. Usual time, usual place.

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HP2113E problem

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Oops! got to remember to check the headers. Meant for Al Kossow. Sorry Dwight >From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwight.elvey(a)amd.com> > >Hi Al > I was hoping you might have the answer for this one. >I just got a HP2113E. I've not been able to use it because >it wants to have a battery connected. There is suppose to >be a battery simulator plug for these. I'm looking for >any schematic or part information for this item? >Do you have this or any schematics for the supply. It >seems to be the same as the 21MXX type B supply that >is in the CE manual on your web page? >Thanks >Dwight > > >

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Hp 2113E problems

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Bob I just got a HP2113E. It is expecting to have a battery connected. I don't have a battery but I understand that one can use what is called a battery simulator plug. Do you have any information on what components this plug would have? Also, do you have any schematics for one of these supplies? It seems to be identical with the type B used by the 21MX machines. Dwight

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Vaian 620?

by aek＠spies.com

> Does anybody around still have one of these that works? yes, along with all the documentation am looking for software in any form (tape, paper tape or disc) There are several different 620's BTW 620-I 620-L 620-L/100

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HP 6101x and PCIB

by aek＠spies.com

I just picked up several dozen 6101x series PCIB instrument boxes and was wondering if anyone knows anything about them? What I've found so far is at: http://www.sismilich.com/hpjrnl.htm As usual, no interface card, software or power supplies. I did also find a short description of PCIB. Not quite totally unlike HPIB..

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Book, history of Bletchley Park

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

For anyone interested, the book"Action This Day", by Michael Smith and Ralph Erskine, which is a history of Bletchley Park, is available for $12.99 Canadian from: Hampstead House Books, 80 Doncaster Ave. Thornhill Ont. 1-800-361-1576 www.hhbooks.com I haven't had a chance to read mine, but it looks interesting. Cheers Charlie Fox Charles E. Fox Video Production 793 Argyle Rd. Windsor Ontario Canada N8Y 3J8 519-254-4991 foxvideo(a)wincom.net Check out the "Camcorder Kindergarten" at http://chasfoxvideo.com

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VCF and lisp machines

by aek＠spies.com

Bob, Bill VonHagen has a Lambda and would be interested in those boards, and I can use the NuMachine ones in a computer that I have.

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Free stuff (UK) again

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

I had a more careful look at the pile of terminal servers and hubs today, and found some more "stuff". I'm surprised I've had so little response, but if anyone definitely wants any of this, please let me know before the end of next week or it will be gone (crushed/landfill). However, if I know for sure that someone wants particular things, I can hold some of them for a little longer. qty.1 VT220, amber screen, working, in resonable condition, with keyboard qty.1 VT510, green (I think) screen, decent condition, with keyboard (There may be a few more VT510s or VT420s. Apparently someone found four in a storeroom this morning, but I've not inspected them yet.) qty.15 Emulex P4000 terminal servers, 32-port, network booting (DECnet or TCP/IP), with parallel port, BNC connector, AUI connector, and 32 MMJ ports. I'll throw in 32 short MMJ-to-RJ45 cables and an Allied Telesyn 10baseT microtransceiver with each. 1 is working (well, it powers up and passes the self-test); 5 are "faulty" (power light comes on but not much else happens -- probably faulty PSU), 3 are "dead" (almost certainly blown PSU), 4 have no PSU board, and there are two that I've not properly tested yet. qty.6 32-port 19" rackmount panels, 2U high, to take clip-in jacks (eg RJ45 couplers). Sorry, no spare RJ45 couplers. These were used with the terminal servers, we used short MMJ-RJ45 cables to connect the TS to the back of the panel, and connected normal patch leads to the front. You can buy couplers (but be warned, I've never yet seen one that met the Cat5 spec, despite some claims), or individual clip-in RJ45 sockets with Krone/110 punchdown connectors (which do meet Cat5/5e/6 specs) in various colours, BNC connectors, ST fibre connectors, etc. qty.?? several (a dozen or so) 3Com Linkbuilder FMS II 24-port hubs, 1U high 19" rackmount, mostly with management units. Good for the PSUs if you don't need a 10Mb/s hub :-) qty.?? several (a dozen or so) 3Com SuperStack II PS 40 24-port hubs, 1U high 19" rackmount, with on-board management. Neater than the FMS II hubs. Various expansion modules that plug into the back of 3Com hubs. You can fit two to a PS 40, or one to an FMS II: qty.10 AUI port, 10base5 module qty.1 BNC 10base2 module qty.5 Fanout module, like an AUI in reverse qty.1 AUI bridge -- looks like an AUI port but has a lot of electronics too qty.6 (or maybe more) fibre optic adaptor with 2 x ST connectors Also a box of Allied Telesyn AUI-to-10baseT microtransceivers, and several older (mostly 12-port) hubs that are good for the PSUs (and not much else IMHO). I'll be away from tomorrow night until Wednesday, but if you want any of this stuff, please email me. It seems a shame to scrap it completely. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Old IBM

by classiccmp.org＠irrelevant.fsnet.co.uk

An old IBM, XT? Ends midnight tonight (UK time) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5107012017&ssPageName=… As it's not got any bids yet, and is right around the corner from me (so can collect easily) and I haven't seen one in the flesh since they were brand new, I'll put in a bid for the minimum just to save it! :-) Should I actually win it at that price, then it'll be up for grabs for anybody on here who wants it - I don't have a lot of room to keep it for too long after I've had a nosey. (and have a pile of other stuff to go through and find homes for - watch this space) Rob

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Large-capacity 5.25" SCSI disks (Cambridge again)

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

I think I closed my email client without sending this yesterday - oops. Sorry if I'm repeating myself :) I've got the following 5.25" FH SCSI drives going spare: One Fujitsu M2266SA (1.2GB I think) Three Fujitsu M2652SA (around 2 GB) One Seagate PA4G1B (4.1GB I'm guessing??) Three Seagate ST410800 (9GB) Shout if interested, I'll see what I can hook them up to and test that they seem to work. Oh, anyone seen my post about SCSI cabinets to go with them yet? I've not seen that on the list even though I sent it yesterday. If it's lost in the ether I'll re-send tonight... cheers, Jules

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VCF East helpers

by vcf＠siconic.com

Who was volunteering for VCF East duty? Please e-mail me, and soon because I'm printing the name badges. All exhibitors/vendors will get an update/instructions on Sunday. Everyone (on the VCF mailing list) will get a general update on Sunday. Everyone else to whom I owe a favor or a response or whatever, I'm very sorry that I haven't gotten back to you, and you'll be a doll and continue to be patient possibly all the way through VCF East. I'll be out of town all next week and tomorrow is my only day to finish up preparations for VCF East. If you're going to be in Burlington at the end of the week then I'll see you there! Please e-mail me if there's anything urgent that needs to be addressed (with regards to VCF East...everything else will have to wait I'm afraid). -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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HP Software License Update.

by MGemeny＠pgcps.org

Some people at Hewlett Packard are willing to explore an updated "Non-Commercial Technology Enthusiast Software License" for older software products. As a part of this process your input is encouraged. (By posting to the list HP would be able to read your comments directly from the list archive, should they choose.) Information on existing licenses is encouraged. (Existing DEC licenses, etc.) This license is intended to add to existing Licenses and not to replace them. Although, your input in this regard is also encouraged. (If you have problems this would be a good time to get them out on the table.) Just as HP is willing to look at this issue from our prospective, we would ask that you also try to look at this issue from HP's prospective. (Don't just ask for the moon.) We would also like to ask if anyone knows the date of release of the last version of HP1000 RTE and also if anyone may know the date of the End-Of-Life of the HP1000 product line. (Yes it would seem that HP was threatening to end-of-life the HP1000 as early as the late 70's or early 80's but we're looking for the final end-of-life date.) Some people at HP are considering a recomendation for a license to software that is older than some age, and/or products that were at end-of-life more than some number of years ago. (The desire seems to be to exclude newer software such as HP3000 MPE from the license. The license would include software such as HP2000 Access. Inclusion of software such as HP1000 RTE is to-be-determined) Thanks in advance for all of the thoughtful input that this thread is sure to attract. Mike Gemeny

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Available: RS/6000 & PS/2 parts

by pat＠computer-refuge.org

I'm moving soon, and need to get rid of some things. Everything is priced to move. ;) I've got a set of 4x 64MB ram boards for an RS/6000 7012-3xx or 7013-5xx series machine, they came out of a 580. $5 + shipping for the lot The next lot of stuff came out of a PS/2 model 80: 1) 2x 92F0669 memory cards (1M or 2M, daughter board for model 80) 2) Token Ring card with DE9S connector, 16bit MCA, 25F7540 3) 32bit MCA memory expansion card (EMS?) with 4 SIMMs of unknown size 4) XGA card with 4 socketed ZIP memory chips (8 total) 5) 32bit MCA SCSI card, with internal cable, 15F6561 I'd like $5 + shipping for that as well. Next, 2x1.44MB PS/2-style floppy drives, with cover plates. $5 + shipping total for both. Finally, two AMD LabPro PLD programmers. Handles a bunch of older PALs/GALs, but I've got no documentation or software for them. I've heard that PALASM (the DOS program) works with them; PALASM is freely downloadable from somewhere, I don't remember where, but google found it before. $5 + shipping for both. That's all for now, I may post more stuff in the next few days as I sort through and move things. I'll randomly pick someone if more than one person wants one lot. I really don't want to split up lots, as that means I've got more boxes to ship. Anything not claimed gets trashed Tuesday evening. Don't bother asking on/after Wednesday, 7/15/04, as it'll be gone. Shipping will be from 47906. If you're going to be at VCF East, I can bring the stuff to you there, as I'll be going. Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS --- http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org

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FW: Pimping VCF East...

by vcf＠siconic.com

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Bill Sudbrink wrote: > > Since I'm going to be exhibiting, I'm interested in having a > > lot of people show up for VCF East... general (or at least > > technically inclined) public as well as the "usual suspects". > > I noted that last fall's VCF West didn't show up on Slashdot > > until Saturday at 2 PM. A number of people complained that > > they would have attended with a little more notice. It did > > show up on Wired on Thursday. Should we try to talk it up? > > Is there a reason not to? Everyone should talk about it where ever they go, mentioning it at the oddest moments and to include in completely inappropriate settings :) That being said, a few submissions to Slashdot ought to get it /.'d. Brief mentions to your favoriate (appropriate) (or not) mailing lists and newsgroups would be cool. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Commodore PET & 64 floppies (Cambridge UK.. again :)

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Saved from the tip again... I have beside me 15 boxes of 5.25" floppies which *appear* to be for the PET and '64 (mainly '64). Lots are unlabelled (just Commodore floppy jackets), Lots just marked as 'games', and some other assortments - serious applications etc. Any Commodore enthusiasts want to take this? At the very least hopefully someone can catalogue them for distribution to others if they're useful - I haven't got a Commodore PET or 64 on which to look at them... cheers Jules

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New Finds

by marvin＠rain.org

I finally have a couple of TI Silent 700 data terminals (looks like the TRS Model 100 ... kind of), 50 - 100 pounds of old databooks, and other books, docs, etc. for the classic computer era. The earliest docs were 1971/1972 Signetics and Fairchild logic databooks. I didn't take complete C-64 system in the hopes someone else would want it (they did), but I did get a box of C-64 docs and software. The best find (at least for me) was an HP Model 46 calculator that badly needs cleaning, but seems in pretty good shape otherwise. I just wish the carrying case and manual had come with it. The duplicates and stuff I don't want for my collection will be posted on VCF as I get time.

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4004 TIC-TAC-TOE Project

by vcf＠siconic.com

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004, John L. Weinrich wrote: > If you look a my web site you'll find that I have available for download the > three main design documents, Hardware, software, & FPGA. The hardware > design document contains all the information to build a complete system, > schematics, parts lists, drawings and such. The software design document > contains all the information to write the software and describes how the > TIC-TAC-TOE game is written. The FPGA design document describes the FPGA > in detail to include all addresses and nibbles (and bits) that the 4004 can > access. > > Also the FPFA schematic file is downloadable (.pdf) and all the software I > have written for the 4004 to date. > > I would have more available such as a .pdf of the 4004 datasheet but my web > site is max'd out (25MB). > > I have and can make available a CD that contains all the 4004 informatio I > have collected off the web and elsewhere that also includes all my design > information. > > Because of your link and the link at Chrisbot > (http://www.chrisbot.com/prog/4004/default.htm) others have searched the web > and found my site. Hi John. I'm posting this message to the Classic Computers mailing list to let other people know about this cool project. If you are having problems with bandwidth limitations, talk to Jay West <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>. He runs the CC mailing list and offers free hosting to people with vintage computing projects. For all reading, John's 4004 Tic-Tac-Toe project website is here: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jsweinrich/ Check it out...it's VERY cool. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Microrobot Motor Mover?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Does anyone know exactly what this <http://home.cfl.rr.com/rigdon14/microrobot/box.jpg> is? I found it in a pile of surplus material yesterday. It appears to be a computerized controller for a robotic arm. The box is marked Microrobot Motor Mover. Inside it has a large circuit board with a 6502 CPU, two 68B05 MCU ICs, a 6522 VIA IC and an EPROM and two external DB-25F connectors. It looks like a complete microcomputer controller that can be controlled by a computer or via the front panel. There's also a daughter board that sits on top of the main circuit board. It also has two Opto 22 OAC% solid state relays that appear to control the AC sockets on the back of them box. Around the large hole in the main board, there are a number of connectors that have cables that run to the back of the box. The connectors are marked Wrist (2 each), Grip, Elbow, Base and Shoulder. I've posted more pictures at <http://home.cfl.rr.com/rigdon14/microrobot/>. Joe

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HP 6101x and PCIB

by aek＠spies.com

My question, though, is what's the alternative to PC-based test equipment? Completely self-contained proprietary stuff? -- I'm of the Tony Duell school here.. Document as much as you can if you care about using it in the future. The PC stuff is 'proprietary' as well, with the exeception of a few card vendors, you can't find out from them how it works (or doesn't...) Any instrument with a microprocessor should have its ROMs read and backed up. I got VERY lucky and was able to get my 16500B analyzer going again because I had access to another unit, was able to read the eprom, and was able to reprogram the part that had gone bad (a bit had gone to a '1' and could be reprogrammed to '0') The entire CPU board is a FRU, it's cheaper to find an entire chassis on eBay than trying to find just the processor board.

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TI 52 manual

by tobiaspetschke＠gmx.de

Hello, some time ago, i asked for a manual of the TI-52 calculator in a message board Do you still have such a manual? If yes, would you be so kind and send a scan to me? That would be really great! Thanks a lot Tobias

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Free stuff (UK) again

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 8, 10:11, Rob O'Donnell wrote: > At 22:00 07/07/2004, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > >I had a more careful look at the pile of terminal servers and hubs > >today, and found some more "stuff". > My first thought was "well to save it being scrapped, I'd grab it and eBay > it" :-) but having just checked selling prices of 10Mbps hubs ... it'd > barely be worth it, especially after adding in a 150 mile round trip, and a > day's work.. I don't want to see this stuff on Ebay. If it was going to make money, I'd put it in the Christmas fund, or give the equipment to the local computer recycling project. The reason there are no PCs or other common items is that they're going to an African charity project. > I don't need them myself, as I've already got spare 10Mbps hubs, a terminal > server and a couple of terminals I don't use [yet]..) > > Does nobody use 10Mbps any more? It's not cool. Everyone thinks they need 100Mbps at least, or preferably Gigabit. The fact that their PCs mostly can't keep up with that seems to be immaterial, as is the fact that their web connection is hardly likey to keep up with the PC. On the other hand, many of our students in residences love it -- it's 20 times what most of them get >from broadband at home. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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HP 6101x and PCIB

by aek＠spies.com

Thankfully Agilent were nice enough to leave a scanned copy of HP's "A Tutorial Guide to the GPIB Bus" on their FTP site. -- url? I have a poor quality paper copy.

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somewhat modern Unisys line printer available

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Local electronics store has a Unisys 9246-7 printer. This is a pretty big/heavy animal. I'm sure it's made by someone else like printronix or citoh or dataproducts or mannesman, etc. Looks like a band printer, parallel interface, high volume in a floor standing cabinet. That's all I know. The guy said he had a buyer from out of state, but the guy doesn't seem to be following through on the deal so he said it was available. If anyone is interested contact me offlist and I'll pass on the contact info. The printer is in St. Louis. No, I won't haul it to VCF, vehicle already full. Jay West

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vcf east - riders? - trades?

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

by the way... I am not bringing an 11/45 to vcf east :) I was referring to how it looked when I got it recently from TN. I haven't started on that restoration project yet, and I doubt pretty seriously it'd get any awards the way it looks now *GRIN* Well, maybe... "system carrying the most dirt and grime". Now, if Sellam would ever have a VCF-Central, in St. Louis, I would bring the dual bay HP2000/Access system. If it'd be in St. Louis then I wouldn't mind so much having to tear a wall out of the basement to get it out. It does look like there is a pretty reasonable chance I will make it to VCF east. Can't wait to meet everyone! I will most likely be driving from St. Louis to VCF and back with either a small flatbed trailer, or a van (or both). Any riders along the way want to come with and share gas costs? It'd be nice to make the drive in one stretch, doable with multple drivers. If anyone going to VCF east wants any HP racks, 13037 controller systems, or 7906 disc drives, now is the time to speak up cause I'll bring it all with me. Could bring some 21MX's too. Regards, Jay West

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New York City, anyone?

by evan947＠yahoo.com

Hey, anyone else here from the city? At 9:00 tonight I'm meeting some VCF attendees (including Hans Franke, all the way from Munich) at the bar of the Carlton Arms hotel (160 E. 25)... if anyone's around, call my cell phone, 617.461.7194. - Evan

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21MX M series need

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Anyone have a 21MX M series box I can borrow parts from for a bit? My M series machine is sick and I'm not sure if it's the front panel or the cpu board. If someone wants a speed upgrade, I can trade them a E series cpu for the slower M series cpu/front panel. At the least, I'd just like to see which one is dead. Jay West

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Fwd: Harmonicomputer Available

by rdd＠rddavis.org

Someone (Cyrus, orangutone(a)usa.net) over on the SDIY mailing list just posted the message below, in case anyone's interested in obtaining and preserving a Harmonicomputer: So, I have posted to this and other lists, and emailed various vintage gear techs, and nobody is interested in fixing an ailing Deltalab Harmonicomputer. Two techs have suggested I just throw it away, as the parts are hard to find and it would be cheaper to replace than to repair. Does anybody here have any suggestions for a project? This thing has an interesting set of front-panel controls, and it is loaded chock-a-block with a variety of chips, most of which are perfectly good. Garbage or salvage? -Cyrus -- Copyright (C) 2004 R.D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: an All Rights Reserved unnatural belief that we're above Nature & her www.rddavis.org 410-744-4900 other creatures, using dogma to justify such Uncle Fester for President! beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.

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Motorola MVME131

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> I have the Motorola "16/32-Bit Microcomputer System Components" databook > (DL127, Revision 1, 1985), but the MVME131 datasheet therein is marked > "Advance Information" and is only seven pages long. It's not much more > than an overview. However, if it will help you, I'll scan and PDF it. That's more than I have at the moment so yes it will help. If anyone else has jumper and I/O pinouts, memory maps etc. that would be of use. Cheers, Lee. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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Amiga 3400 (A400 prototype) on Ebay.

by fsteff＠bigfoot.com

Hi all listmembers, I have decided to part with my old Amiga A3400, and hope to see it go to people who has a love for classic computers, and who will honor it for what it is; A unique machine. For more information and pictures, please look at the following URI: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4598&item=5106538803… Best regards, -- Flemming

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WTD: Fairchild 96LS488 datasheet

by philpem＠dsl.pipex.com

Hi, Does anyone happen to have a copy of the Fairchild 96LS488 datasheet lying around anywhere? I've checked Bitsavers and Google - nothing at all - not even a pinout. The datasheet is listed on PartMiner/FreeTradezone but I haven't got an FTZ account that has datasheet downloading enabled. Bah. Thanks. -- Phil. | Acorn Risc PC600 Mk3, SA202, 64MB, 6GB, philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com | ViewFinder, 10BaseT Ethernet, 2-slice, http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/ | 48xCD, ARCINv6c IDE, SCSI ... NetWare does not have bugs, it has "Undocumented enhancements"

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Old copy of PCTools...

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Another find for someone if they want it: Ancient manual + floppy for Central Point's PC Tools Deluxe. Requires at least 256KB of memory and DOS 2.0 or higher. Version 1 presumably, as I can't see a version number on anything. There's a single 5.25" "DOS Utilities" floppy. Flicking through the install section in the manual, I believe that's all there's supposed to be. cheers, Jules

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Buying in the States was Re: HP analyzer probes

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

der Mouse <mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> wrote: > I don't even own a working television, > haven't for decades. Wow! I'm not the only one! (Though it hasn't been decades for me yet, as I only stopped having a TV in my home in 2000.) MS

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JetDirect EX print server

by ben_daily4＠yahoo.com

Robert, About a year ago you were having this conversation (through email) and now I happen to have one of these print servers (model J2382 B). Did you locate the particular manual for this unit? Can I get a copy of it if you did? Thank you, Ben JetDirect EX print server Feldman, Robert cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Thu Jun 12 15:38:01 2003 Previous message: Model 43 Teletype (ASR43) info needed Next message: Osborne 1 Voltage Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] --------------------------------- I believe I have one at home. I'll check tonight and let you know tomorrow.Bob-----Original Message-----From: chris [mailto:cb@mythtech.net]Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:16 PMTo: Classic ComputerSubject: JetDirect EX print serverI'm not sure if this is older than 10 years yet, but people on this list have a library of manuals, so I'm asking anyway.Does anyone have a manual to an HP JetDirect EX print server device? Specifically model number J2382.I'm trying to find out how to default it to factory settings, and how to get in and change configurations. Holding the TEST button on power up doesn't seem to do default it (or if it is, it isn't clearing the error condition, but that might also be because it isn't taking the BootP info for its IP address).I have two doing the same thing, and I tend to doubt both are broken, so I'm guessing that the manual HP has on their site for the EX Plus doesn't have the right directions for it (not too surprised).So, anyone have that manual? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Transport arrangement needed UK -> GER

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Hello everybody, along with Mr. Hans Pufal, I was among those interested in Pete Turnbull's recent offer of network/terminal server equipment. However, the stuff needs to disappear fairly quickly from where it is now - i.e. a definitive arrangement has to be made until 23rd of July and pickup would have to take place before the end of the month. And here the fun begins: I have no chance to go abroad and get it in time as I'll be doing my 2nd Term Electrical Engineering testpapers in late July/early August. Just about no way around that. Pete and I have worked out that I should ask here if anybody from the UK (preferably near York) would go on holiday on the Continent this summer (passing through Southern Germany), or vice versa, and could be persuaded to collect and drop off the equipment in question. In return I offer lunch/dinner, drinks and if wanted a financial contribution for fuel. >From what it looks like by now, the cargo will be the following: (most certainly one each, max. two) Emulex P4000 terminal server w/ bits and pieces/cables) Connection panel for above (rackmount 2U high) 3Com Linkbuilder FMS II 24-port hub (rackmount 1U high) 3Com SuperStack II PS 40 24-port hub (rackmount 1U high) (small stuff) assorted plugins for above hubs AUI/10baseT-Microtransceivers (perhaps) one terminal DEC VT220, 420, or 510. To Mr. Hans Pufal: I've been told that you are already making a transport arrangement for the stuff you want. If nobody hits my area closer (Nuremberg, southern Germany) it has been suggested that I ask if you could have the additional material transported to France, which is at least a bit nearer for me to come by and pick it up later this summer. Please CC any answers to Peter <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> as well; I don't know if it's useful to answer on-list, I'd rather not. Thanks in advance -- Arno Kletzander Stud. Hilfskraft Informatik Sammlung Erlangen www.iser.uni-erlangen.de "Sie haben neue Mails!" - Die GMX Toolbar informiert Sie beim Surfen! Jetzt aktivieren unter http://www.gmx.net/info

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spare: IBM System/370 Extended Architecture Principles of Operation manual

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Up for grabs: "IBM System/370 Extended Architecture Principles of Operation" manual. ta, Jules

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IBM manuals available

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

IBM XT Guide to Operations (contains hardware reference library diagnostics floppy) IBM Portable Guide to Operations (contains diag floppy) BASIC for IBM PC All three are in very good condition. cheers, Jules

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what the heck!? (bodged eurocard system)

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Any ideas what system these boards are for? http://www.moosenet.demon.co.uk/temp/comps/eurocard (sorry for bad photos - in a rush!) Looks to have been homebrewed into an XT clone case. Bus connectors are 96 way. Memory card DRAMS are 21256's, so I presume that's 1MB on the board. CPU card has a Z80B on board plus memory - and a D765 IC, which I think is an FDC chip IIRC. ROM is labelled "Prof MON 1.3" Larger chips on the I/O board are a 6845 CTRC, 8255 (PIA IIRC), Mostek MK3801 (no idea!), Z80A CPU, 6116 SRAM, and a EPROM (with no label). There's a homebrew card right at the back with nothing much more than a ROM on it - unfortunately I can't read the handwritten label, but the first three letters are "tas". Anyone able to tell me what the machine is or anything about it? cheers, Jules

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NCD 88k Xterminals available (Cambridge, UK)

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

I saved three NCD 88K Xterminals from the tip earlier (some of those mentioned on here last week). Or at least gave them a stay of execution - I can't hang onto them for more than a few days unfortunately. Now, someone on here said they might be interested in an xterm if there were any keyboards with them. Only prob is I've gone and lost your email, whoops. Shout if you read this. These NCD's work with standard PC keyboards (PS/2 connector) and mice (9 pin D-type) - I know they do as they're the same model as I have already. Anyway, two of the machines have coax / AUI Ethernet, and one has twisted pair / AUI. They all have memory and boot ROMs. The only annoying thing about them is they use DA26 connectors for video (I soldered a trailing video lead directly onto the board of mine with a VGA connector on the end - messy but chances of finding a scrap DA26 to use were around zero). The DA26 side of things means I can't test them, but the fans on them work as do the power LEDs, so no reason to suspect them being bad. I almost certainly have all of the info archived locally that used to be on NCD's site - including the video connector pinout and the Xncd19c server boot image. >From memory they run at 1024x768 resolution with 8-bit colour. Oh, they're about the same dimensions as a NeXT slab. Spray them black, and you'd almost be fooled into thinking they were! (given they were heading for the tip, I wouldn't be offended if people took them to put PC boards into in order to make firewalls, mp3 jukeboxes etc. - although other list members might :) Anyone want? I can't really keep them longer than a week unless I know they have homes though. cheers Jules

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USB 5.25" floppy drive

by Watzman＠neo.rr.com

Ok, now you have to promise not to laugh too hard. Does anyone know if it's possible to make a USB Floppy Disk Drive. Oh, ...... I mean a 320k/360k 5.25" USB floppy disk drive. [hey, you promised .....] I occasionally need to transfer things between my PC and an old S-100 system, or a Z-100. The Z-100 has 5.25" disks, but not 3.5". So ..... I actually wondered if one could buy a USB 3.5" floppy and use the "controller card" with a 5.25" drive, since the interface is nominally the same. However, these mostly use notebook drives, and while they may have the same electrical interface, the physical interface is a flex cable. Worse, some of the USB 3.5" drives may "integrate" the USB controller and drive mechanism so that there is no standard floppy interface at all. There may also be software issues. Anyway, it seems like a question to post to this group, and in a few other places. [Next I will want a USB 8" drive ..... which, actually, with the right software, would not be a bad idea !!]

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Free stuff (UK) again

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 8, 19:10, Jules Richardson wrote: > I believe the laws are changing fairly soon here so that it costs money > to dispose of unwanted computer equipment. I'm not sure how such charity > organisations will be hit when they have to pay to dispose of any bits > which are donated and they find to be unsuitable or non-working. It's hitting now. We have too many monitors (anyone want a not-very-good mnonitor?) and some crap even the charities don't want. Therefore we have a skip (dumpster) outside. In years past, we had an ordinary skip once every year or two -- the "topless" sort you see full of building rubble and garden refuse -- and CompServ staff used to place things in it carefully and watch people removing things from it to reuse. This was a good thing; it kept the audience amused, it preserved some interesting "stuff", it let things be recycled instead of putting them in landfill, and it saved a lot of space in the skip so CompServ only had to hire one instead of two :-) On one occasion, when I was still finishing my degree up the hill at CompSci, my tutor (now a senior professor), his colleague, myself and two other students , emptied the entire skip, spread the contents across the car park, and spent a couple of hours sorting it. We had quite a large audience most of the time. Now, alas, that's illegal. There are too many regulations about disposal of electrical waste, electrical safety testing, and liabilities, so we are required to have a totally enclosed skip that's padlocked. Nowadays we would have to rely on the grapevine to let interested parties know in advance so they can intercept items of interest between the back door and the skip. Not that we would be so irresponsible as to allow any dangerous items, eg terminal servers, hubs, or PCs to go astray, of course. Bringing this back to what Jules mentioned specifically, we're not allowed to put monitors in the skip. They have to go somewhere else to be properly disposed of, at ?15 a pop (pun intended). > Uh huh! Personally I'd find 100Mbit to be handy between a couple of my > modern machines just because I shift a lot of large images around - but > the 10Mbit serves me quite well otherwise. Same here. Indeed, some of the older machines in my collection that do have 100baseTX (or in a couple of cases 100baseFX, 100Mbps FDDI, or 155Mbps ATM) can't drive the network at much more than 15-20Mbps. And since only a couple of devices at home use wireless, 802.11g is more than adequate for any practical purpose. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Free stuff (UK) again

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 8, 14:01, Rob O'Donnell wrote: > Most dodgy connection I know of was put in at a customer ages back.. they > had two separate units on an industrial estate. Line of sight, barely, > from back of one, to front of the other, but about 200M distance, with > other units and a road and car-park in the way. You should actually get quite decent results -- much better than 128kbps ISDN -- at that range with even a cheap and cheerful directional antenna on the AP. You can make most APs work in bridge mode (which is what you want for point to point), and a cheap AP would only cost ?60-?100; you can also get cards that can be connected to an external antenna. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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LGP-30 software

by jpaul.tardif＠sympatico.ca

Christian, I used to work on an LGP-30 over 37 years ago and was fortunate in having ACT V as the complier for the machine. You will see Graeme Scott's name in the first part of the ACT V compiler tape on your website. After joining IBM in 1969 I happened to encounter Graeme working for Bell Northern Research in Ottawa in 1972 or 1973. He mentioned that he had written ACT V in a rather short time as he was frustrated at how long it took to do things in ACT III. He turned out what I still believe was a masterful piece of software that exploited the LGP-30 hardware capability to its maximum. You will see that the compiled code branches to highly optimized run-time subroutines in the ACT V Run Time portion of the package. The compiled code executed at a very reasonable rate for such a slow machine as every floating point operation ran optimized. The compiler itself used HASH coding to determine if a variable was a reserved word in the language and if not, was stored away in the hash table of variables. Optimal Assembly routines were devised for most drum memory machines like the LGP-30, IBM 650 and Bendix G-15. The ACT V compiler made assembly coding on the LGP-30 unnecessary. It was hard to outperform the compiled ACT V code. Compile times for ACT V were about 1/3 that of ACT III. And with the Load & Go compiler, you didn't need to reload the run-time routines [or the compiler after execution]. The 4096 word machine seemed reasonably sized for many problems. Unfortunately I had lost any and all LGP-30 documentation many years ago but if you put up the ACT V material you have on your web-site, I can probably offer some additional comments as it will likely jog my brain cells that haven't thought about these things for many years. Paul Tardif [former LGP-30 programmer and technician] -- J.Paul Tardif 17 Lyall Avenue Toronto, Ontario CANADA M4E 1V7 (416) 694-5309 FAX: 416 694-2381

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Software License Update.

by aek＠spies.com

Some people at Hewlett Packard are willing to explore an updated "Non-Commercial Technology Enthusiast Software License" for older software products. == This is wonderful news. == We would also like to ask if anyone knows the date of release of the last version of HP1000 RTE == As of a few months ago, this was still on HP's web site. There has also been a release of RTE 6 to Interex (w/o sources though) RTE for the A series is a very different beast, and I beleive that was what HP was supporting up until a few years ago. There were many, many versions before that. I'd also be interested in their feelings about software from non-HP product lines that they've purchased. Apollo DOMAIN, and the various TI 9xx/1500/Explorer would also nice to be released.

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DECstation

by KParker＠workcover.com

Thanks Antonio - I did locate that site but as you pointed out it doesn't specifically mention the 125 but thanks for your advice that they are all much of the much - I wasn't sure - so I'll dig around a couple of those. +++++++++++++++++++ Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation p: 08 8233 2548 e: webmaster(a)workcover.com w: www.workcover.com +++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Antonio Carlini Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2004 4:48 AM To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Subject: RE: DECstation > Looking for owner manuals for a DECstation 5000/125 IIRC the DECstation 5000-1xx machines are all much of a muchness, differing mainly in processor speeds. You can find manuals for almost any one of them (except, ironically, the 125) over at Manx: http://vt100.net/manx. Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org ************************************************************************ This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee only. It may contain information that is protected by legislated confidentiality and/or is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this e-mail. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail may not necessarily be that of the WorkCover Corporation of South Australia. Although precautions have been taken, the sender cannot warrant that this e-mail or any files transmitted with it are free of viruses or any other defect. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy the original e-mail and any copies. ************************************************************************

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Free stuff (UK) again

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 8, 21:11, Jules Richardson wrote: > On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 20:03, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > Yeah, we keep getting asked why we're not putting wireless in our > > residences, offices, and everywhere else.. > > Glad it's not just me :) > > > The fact is that wired is > > cheaper, especially given the steel in many of the buildings, > > I wonder if it is that buildings in the UK tend to have a lot more steel > in the walls than elsewhere in the world? No, I don't think so :-) We had a guy from Intel here a few weeks ago, talking about Centrino technology, and wireless is a key part of that. He was someone senior from EMEA marketing but was well genned-up technically, and was quite open about some of the limitations nd what people had found in practice. > Thing the worries me is that a lot of schools seem to be upgrading here, > presumably at vast expense, only to find that it doesn't do the job. Well, it depends what the job is, how many users there are simultaneously, and so on. If you're talking about a primary school where there's one incoming 512kbps broadband line, only a few computers, and they get moved about, it might make sense to put in minimal cabling to a couple of staff rooms, and use wireless for the rest. If you're talking about our offices and study bedrooms, where there will be lots of simultaneous users (and students generate an amazing amount of traffic), wiring is cheaper. We did the study. Twice. Don't forget you need an infrastructure to support the wireless APs. In fact, I came across a paper by one of the members of the 802.whatever committe which indicated that in many contexts, wireless mean more infrastructure, not less (because of the number of APs, power points or power-over-Ethernet, etc etc, and you still need the backbone and the fibre between buildings). > I'm not actually aware how the prices for wireless compare to Ethernet > cards, hubs, cabling etc. so I can't say how much a fresh wireless > installation would cost against a more traditional setup. Depends on the facilities and bandwidth you need. We get a very good deal on certain types of switches, and cabling isn't very expensive per outlet if it's done in harmony with other works. On the other hand, to use wireless for the student network, we'd need an awful lot of APs, still need cable to get to them, fibre between the buildings, and although the switches would be fewer in number, we'd need a lot of PoE ports which cost money, and we'd be using Cisco Aironet 1200s or similar (I forget what the model number is for the 11a/b/g version), with full management facilites, VLAN support, panel antennae, etc. We get a really good price on those too, but they still cost several times as much as SOHO APs and either don't give a great bandwidth or don't cover a large number of users. Plus it takes just one oik with his own AP (which we ban, for reasons that have to do with experience :-)) to disrupt our nicely laid out coverage. This is getting a bit off-topic :-) Wireless may be classic, but I'm not sure wireless ethernet is ;-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Free stuff (UK) again

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 8, 9:40, Jules Richardson wrote: > (Interestingly, there seems to be a huge drive toward wireless at the > moment, and people only find out how slow and unreliable it is when it's > too late - all I've heard from real installations so far are horror > stories and nothing along the lines of "oh yeah, it works fine") Yeah, we keep getting asked why we're not putting wireless in our residences, offices, and everywhere else.. The fact is that wired is cheaper, especially given the steel in many of the buildings, which limits wireless range. Many people who've tried wireless see 54Mbps and think it's fine; even if they realise that the true throughput is limited to about half that, they've usually never seen the graphs that show what happens when you have multiple clients (for those who don't know, the total useful bandwidth falls dramatically for every client you add; the net effect is that bandwidth per client falls off approximately exponentially). And when we upgraded our Cisco access points it took us a day or so to realise why the range dropped off -- it turns out Cisco made a small miscalculation, and all our tests done with the old firmware were using illegally high power levels. Someone at Cisco hadn't realised the difference between radiated power and EIRP when you have 2.2dB antennae. Wireless is great for some types of point-to-point, casual use, a very small number of users in a small area, or devices that must remain in contact while moving about. Otherwise it sucks. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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New Finds: Mentis wearable computer!

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I got a call from one of my sources today. They had a new load of stuff for me to check out so I went out there LATE today and stayed till well after dark. One of the more intersting things that I found is a Mentis wearable computer! Pictures to follow when time permits. TELTRONICS - INTERACTIVE SOLUTIONS Mentis, fully functional wearable computer, Intel Pentium 166 MHz MMX, includes CD capability. "The Mentis system is created and manufactured by Interactive Solutions, a subsidiary of Teltronics, Inc. Belonging to the new generation of wearable computers, the Mentis system takes "wearable" to new dimensions. Multimedia dimensions. With the Mentis solution, users gain the portability of a laptop, the ruggedness of a wearable computer, and the full multimedia capabilities of a desktop system. It is a truly universal computing platform. And, it's ideal for any environment, any occasion where users need real-time, interactive information, in the field or on the fly. The Mentis processing unit is little more than an inch thick and measures 7? by 5? inches. This compact system houses a Pentium?-based, fully multimedia-equipped, single-board computer." (Home Page) Joe

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Wireless networks (was Free stuff (UK) again)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 8, 7:40, James Rice wrote: > In our experience, wireless is fine for casual internet connections, > thin clients (terminal services, citrix, rdp) but much too slow for > anything that involves any level of data transfer. I agree with that. And I agree with Christopher's observation that it's good in proptected buildings; we use it for that too. > I use wireless 802.11g at home for my kids and wifes internet > connections. All of my Unix boxes are wired. Much the same here. > Christopher McNabb wrote: > > >Interesting, because we have LOTS of wireless here at Virginia Tech > >and oh yeah, it works fine. I'm on a wireless connenction right now. But shared with whom, doing what, at what range? > >I think that wireless installations that are slow and/or unreliable > >probably have configuration issues or interference from other sources. Not necessarily. You won't notice a problem if you use it to read your email, even sharing it with a few other users. When you start doing more serious stuff, the throughput, something like 1-10Mbps shared under optimum conditions for 11g, is very low compared to wired networks, eg 100Mbps switched per port on a Gigabit backbone (which is what most of the campus is). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Buying in the States was Re: HP analyzer probes

by cb＠mythtech.net

>> Now I just buy the DVDs. > >Not that you can avoid the advertising on DVDs anymore. I rented one a >few months ago that wouldn't even let you skip them! If I wasn't so lazy >at that point I would taken it back to the video store and demanded a >refund. Yeah but remember, DeCSS is pure evil. There could never be a legit reason to want to be able to bypass whatever restrictions the MPAA puts on a DVD. After all, they know exactly what is right for everyone. The worst one I had to deal with was a DVD that played SEVEN freaking trailers before letting me get to the menu. Plus the FBI warning, and a handful of production company animated logos. It took a solid 15 minutes >from when I put the DVD in to when I could access the menu and actually play the movie. (IIRC, I think it was "Cheaper by the dozen" that did it, although I could be wrong. I know it was a NetFlix rented movie that I watched about two weeks ago, and that's the one that is popping in my head). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Wanted: KLESI-UA

by pds3＠ix.netcom.com

Patrick, I have these. Trades are always welcome. I am always looking for: M8186 M8043 M8192 M8578 M7676 M8063 M7840 M7656 M7506 M5977 and most other pdp equipment. Thank you, Shannon Hoskins pds3(a)ix.netcom.com -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Finnegan <pat(a)computer-refuge.org> Sent: Jul 6, 2004 10:04 PM To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Wanted: KLESI-UA So, now that I discover I had a TU80, not TU81 controller in my 11/750, I'm looking for a KLESI Unibus card, aka M8739. If anyone has one, I'd be willing to offer some money or a trade of some sort. Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS --- http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org

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HP 1000 M series on Ebay

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I noticed this the other day... I'm a bit confused as to it's lineage. First, the M series has a unique keyswitch, unlike the E and F series. In the E & F, the keyswitch is nothing more than a latch to open the front panel. On the M series, the front panel switch is electronic, selecting R (reset memory I think), Off, Standby, On, and perhaps Lock (going from memory). The one on ebay has no such markings on the front panel. This would make me think E & F. But the front panel is clearly from an M, as it only has the ABSTPM registers, not the special register mode (index registers, etc.). And in some of the pictures there are two pictures showing behind the front panel, and to me at least, it looks very non-HP (custom) with regards to the cables coming off the front panel board, and some kinda (non-hp?) board underneath that. Wierd. Not to say it isn't a fully functional M series, but... I have never seen one quite like that. Regards, Jay West

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Motorola MVME131

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

This board appears to be fitted with the VME130 diagnostic/debugger V3.1 ROM. ANyone have the destructions for this or a similar ROM? (E.g. MVME147 etc) Cheers, Lee. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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