- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by cctalk＠ibm51xx.net

-------- Original message -------- From: Chuck Guzis via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Date: 3/28/18 10:02 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Paul Koning via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: RAID? Was: PATA hard disks, anyone? >I know of no RAID setup that can save me >from stupid. Chuck, As we say in my day job "there is no curing stupid" ;) -Ali

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DEC 3000 (alpha) faultfinding

by cruff＠ruffspot.net

On the AXPpci33 board, the SROM is also an 8 bit device. What happens is that the CPU reads in a bit stream into cache at power up reset, where the specific bit stream is selected by the jumper position on the board. In effect the SROM can contain up to 8 bit streams. Some of them will make use of the SROM console port.

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RAID? Was: PATA hard disks, anyone?

by cctalk＠ibm51xx.net

-------- Original message -------- From: Fred Cisin via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Date: 3/27/18 5:51 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: RAID?  Was: PATA hard disks, anyone? How many drives would you need, to be able to set up a RAID, or hot swappable RAUD (Redundant Array of Unreliable Drives), that could give decent reliability with such drives? 10 - Two sets of 5 drive? RAID 6 volumes in a RAID 1 array. You would then need to lose 5 drives before data failure is imminent. The 6th one will do you in. If you haven't fixed 50 percent failure then you deserve to lose your data.? Disclaimer: this is my totally unscientific unprofessional and biased estimate. My daily activities of life have nothing to do with the IT industry. Proceed at your own peril. Etc. Etc. -Ali

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SGI SN-921 dial box (978-0804) (was Re: IBM 6094-010 "Dials" protocol?)

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote: >> SN-921 (2.1mm barrel jack for +5V) >> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Sgi_dialbox_sn-921_fron… > > http://yehar.com/blog/?p=3471 > > The (Seiko?) SN-921 can apparently be powered via DE9 or the 2.1mm > jack next to it... > > 1. GND > 2. SERIAL OUTPUT (?9 V) > 3. SERIAL INPUT > 4. POWER IN +5 V > 5. POWER IN +5 V > 6. NC > 7. NC > 8. GND > 9. NC Now that I've poked around in the innards, I can say that this pinout has a slight mistake in it. It should be: 1. GND 2. SERIAL OUTPUT (?9 V) 3. SERIAL INPUT 4. POWER IN +5 V 5. POWER IN +5 V 6. NC 7. GND 8. NC 9. NC There are mentions here and there about how to hook up this dial box using the +5V power jack and DE9 pins 2, 3, and 7. I can confirm from direct examination that pin 7 is a ground and 8 is NC on the PCB (and that 4 and 5 are connected directly to the center pin of the 2.1mm power jack). -ethan

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Looking for opinions...

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Liam Proven > And yet, 3 generations later Can we please keep _all_ politics off the list? It didn't go so well last time. Noel

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Many thanks to Glen's Vintage Computer Info

by Flash688＠flying-disk.com

I don't know if Glen Slick is on this list, but I owe him one! I am working on an elderly PDP-11/23 system running RSX-11M v3.2 -- too old to know about MSCP disk controllers like the RQDX1/2/3 and compatibles. It is only sysgened for RK05, RL01/2, and an incompatible 3rd-party disk, but neither the RK05 or RL01/2 controllers are present. To do my work, I thus need an RL02 and controller... OR something that emulates an RL02. I had planned to post a note here today, asking for recommendations for RL01/2 (RLV11) emulators, but got distracted. Instead, I set about making an inventory of several boxes of Q-Bus cards I had accumulated over the years. Most were DEC, but a bunch were weird 3rd-party controllers, one of which was a TD Systems TDL-12. What the hell is a TDL-12? My Google searching led me eventually to Glen's Vintage Computer Info https://sites.google.com/site/glensvintagecomputerinfo/home and his page on the TD Systems TDL-12: https://sites.google.com/site/glensvintagecomputerinfo/td-systems/tdl-12 The TDL-12 turns out to be a Q-Bus SCSI controller, emulating up to four RL01/2 drives -- exactly what I needed! Glen's web page even includes a PDF of the original TD Systems manual for the board. So, Glen, whoever and wherever you are, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for creating and maintaining a web page about this orphan controller. You have saved me a lot of time, effort, and probably a bit of money as well. As an added bonus, Glen also has a page for an obscure HP Q-Bus logic analyzer card, which I also have. But that's a project for another day. Thanks, Alan Frisbie

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IBM 6094-010 "Dials" protocol?

by mbbrutman＠brutman.com

Picture here: https://i.imgur.com/ClCw070.jpg Does anybody know how to talk to this thing? I've got one of these devices but I don't have a reference for the protocol. It's a serial device so it's probably not terribly complicated, but trying to figure it out by throwing random bytes at it might take a few years. SA23-2780-01 - "Option Instructions IBM 6094 010 Dials for AIX" should have the description of the protocol, but I can't find this document anywhere. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/ssw_aix_71/com.ibm.aix.files… gives some hints on how it is programmed - in particular it alludes to "setting granularity" (sensitivity) which would be in addition to reading the dials. Somebody with access to an AIX box and that "special file" might be able to dig up the commands. I know IBM has professional archivists so I can try them for the document referenced above if I can't find it other ways. And I could probably find the micro-controller inside, hope the ROM is readable, and try to disassemble that, but that would be a last ditch effort. Regards, Mike

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PATA hard disks, anyone?

by cctalk＠ibm51xx.net

-------- Original message -------- From: Chuck Guzis via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Date: 3/27/18 4:43 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "Tapley, Mark via cctalk" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: PATA hard disks, anyone? Digging around on the pointer from Al to backblaze, I found this, which, to me is far more meaningful in terms of presentation of data: Interesting but consistent with my informal observations. My Hitachi enterprise class 4gb hdd are still going strong after multiple power outages and almost 5 years of 24x7 on time. Granted not much reading and writing occurs but the fact that they are spinning is probably the biggest wear and tear on them. Helium drives? Only if you have the money to replace them yearly and have a RAID 1 set of a RAID 6 volume.... -Ali

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WTD: Dell ML6000 (or similar) LTO library, Mid-Atlantic East Coast

by ethan＠757.org

While this slightly deviates from classic computers, I've been on the hunt for a surplus LTO library around the mid-atlantic East Coast for a bit. The Dell ML6000 which is made by someone else is what has my eye. We have one at work, lame robot that is very slow at changing tapes and looks sad compared to the STK machines I used to work around. But the density of the tape carts stored in the cabinet just can't be beat. I love some of the larger IBM fridge sized LTO units but the tape density given cabinet size just isn't there, but the scale out by adding cabinets side by side is cool -- if I only had a basement. Say 280 carts for huge IBM box versus 133 carts in the Dell unit at 15 rack units high. No brainer. The Dell ML6000 is also known as Quantum i500, and there is a super sexy IBM version and also a HP badged version. A few have popped up down in Florida and AZ for ~$100 or so with LTO3 drives which is ideal. But not proper timing. I have a LTO5 drive or two for these that came from a trash bin, so in my case I can upgrade the drives. Tapes don't generate heat or use electricity when sitting idle, so it seems ideal to backup my home NAS boxes and hoards of software for classic computers, arcade / video games and laser show 8 and 16 channel digital audio tape dumps. -- : Ethan O'Toole

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Photorealistic frontpanels for DEC PDP simulations under SimH

by j_hoppe＠t-online.de

Guys, there are updates to the photorealistic PDP-8/10/11/15 panel simulations for SimH, code name "BlinkenBone". * Added bigger images for 3000 pixel width screens. * made PDP-11/70 panel behaviour compatible with the real machine ? (after tests performed at the PDP-11/70 "Miss Piggy" at LCM in Seattle, ? thanks to Rich Alderson & Josh Dersch). ? Oscar Vermeulen's upcoming PiDP1170 replica will also benefit. * Added Mike Hill's BLINKY animation as PDP-11/70 application. * Optically enhanced the PDP-10KI10 panel: ? Added rack background of the real KI10 at LCM. * Merged with SimH code base from march 2018 * Some people want to reanimate a physical panel with "BlinkenBone" too, or did already. http://retrocmp.com/projects/blinkenbone/setting-up-a-blinkenbone-project ? Finally I can supply the hardware, a tested set of BeagleBone Black, BlinkenCape and BlinkenBoard. ? I can't get the price below 200?, there's this penalty for manual small batch production (including some self-exploit). Doc root page: http://www.retrocmp.com/projects/blinkenbone Download: https://github.com/j-hoppe/BlinkenBone/releases As usual, there are precompiled distributions for Win32, Ubuntu x86 & x64, Raspberry Pi and Beaglebone. Just unzip and start some of the shell scripts. Enjoy, Joerg

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WTB Sun keyboard

by stephane.tsacas＠gmail.com

Hi, My keyboard is dying. I'm looking for a type 7 "UNIX Keyboard" model : 320-1367-02 Picture : https://imgur.com/JUumgkz I'm in Paris, France. Thanks -- ??phane

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Issues of Communication of the ACM for sale

by stephane.tsacas＠gmail.com

Hi, I'm selling issues of the famous ACM magazine. I don't have a list, but at least from 2010 and up. If you're not in a hurry, shipping cost is quite low, < 6 euros for 2 Kg, < 8 for 3 Kg. Shipping from Paris, France. Note that if you're in France, shipping is more expensive ! If you're interested, make me an offer. Thank you, -- ??phane

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RL02 Question

by shadoooo＠gmail.com

Hello, I'm not an absolute expert, but I successfully fixed a couple of RL02 in the past. Adjustment to the head is only useful for azimuth, I think. The radial position will be adjusted continuously using the servo tracks, so there's no absolute position adjustment at all. If the drive fails during spinup, I would check at least the following: - the presence of spindle sector signal after digital conversion of pulses >from analog signal coming from the pickup. - having disabled the servo linear motor (there's some jumper to setup, check the maintenance manual), perform the motor spinup, then load slowly the heads on the disk by hand, until you find the servo tracks. - with an oscilloscope check the presence of analog signal of the servo tracks on both heads, and it's digital counterpart after amplification and threshold detection (expected level values in the manual). If you see something strange, e.g missing or too short pulses, try to adjust the gain with the trimmer on the head board - enable again the servo, then load again My 2 cents. Andrea

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DTC 3250

by cisin＠xenosoft.com

I just stumbled on a DTC3250, & "Installation Guide" 8 bit ISA SCSI + 4 floppy Firmware: "GSH53A" The floppy interface MIGHT work for HD on a 5150/5160? (with appropriate software) Condition unknown Anybody need one? -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com

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Compaq 9000 Series Rack Screws

by cctalk＠ibm51xx.net

> F.Y.I. the links to the pictures from the linked to page aren't > publicly accessible. As grant has pointed out the pictures will not show up unless you are a VCF member. However, the screws are very similar to this in shape: https://monsterbolts.com/products/6mm-m6-x-1-0-stainless-steel-button-head-… I have done some more digging and I believe the screws are Button Head 10mm M6 screws w/ T30 drive. The problem is that the head diameter needs to be 9.2mm wide. The screws above (and most other one's I have found) are 10mm or wider. The HP screws I mentioned earlier are 10.26mm wide and they of course will not clear the side panels. So again if anyone has OEM Compaq screws they want to part with I am your man. Thank you. -Ali

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Wiring Harnesses (was: RL02 Question)

by binarydinosaurs＠gmail.com

Years ago I was troubleshooting an old SuperMicro beast that was running a newspaper printing press. It kept shutting down randomly but if I hit the power button it would come up. Then randomly go down again minutes or an hour later. I spent many hours testing and swapping modules in and out of this thing >from a working machine and at one point it would only power up if the front box that contained the power switch module and CDROM/floppy were out of the enclosure and separate on the bench (but still connected to the motherboard by an data/power cables). If I got a long screwdriver and earthed this front box to the main enclosure the machine would go down immediately. Power switch itself tested fine with a meter but I found there was a hidden reset swtich that wasn't in use so I desoldered and swapped them over. All problems went away and the customer practically carried me at shoulder height around the press hall. -- adrian/witchy Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest home computer collection? t: @binarydinosaurs f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs w: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: allison via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Date: 27 March 2018 at 13:32 Subject: Re: RL02 Question To: Aaron Jackson <aaron at aaronsplace.co.uk>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Long short story. I got my RL02 directly through DEC while I was a > engineer there.It was a pile of parts in the back lab. The story was it was pulled > from a customersite as FS could not make it work at install. Seems despite being new > just about everything that could be swapped apparently was and no one could get it > to spin up. So I made a deal if I get it working its mine (ok, to be part of > the 11/23 in my office, which later would become mine). After assembling it and > testing it sure enough it didn't spin and would turn slowly for a few moments and quit. > Drag out the meter and start testing voltages. I found the motor starting > cap (known new) had odd voltages. A bit of ohming out later it was the crimped > faston connector at the end of the power line going to the capacitor. What > was wrong was crimped but the wire was never stripped so there was no connection. > The only thing never swapped was the power wiring harness. The pile of swapped > boards and even heads was impressive. I got the drive and word got around > that it was me that solved the riddle. I troubleshot the problem, and > didn't swap it to death.

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Compaq 9000 Series Rack Screws

by cctalk＠ibm51xx.net

Ok, A bit too new for this list but still hoping someone can help me out: I am in need of at least six (prefer 10) Compaq 9000 Series OEM Rack screws to mount a side panel. I believe these are M6 screws. On the side that had the panel already mounted the OEM screws are star screws approximately 0.5" long. I have looked online and on some of the rack accessory suppliers and have found M6 screws which I believe are from HP racks. Aside from the fact that the OEM is a Philip's head (not a big deal - security is not a huge issue) the HP ones are just a tad bigger. The length of the HP screws should be okay (I think). However, the flange is just a bit too big and it catches on the side panel so you can't screw the screw in all the way (w/o damaging the side panel). The OEM star screws do not do this. If anyone has any spares they can part with or knows where I can order some (and definitely get the OEM ones vs. the after market/HP ones) I would appreciate it. Thank you! BTW pictures and measurements can be found in this thread on VCF: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?62877-WTB-OEM-Compaq-9000-Series-R ack-Screws&p=507884#post507884 -Ali

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Identifying vacuum tube module

by kylevowen＠gmail.com

Anyone knows what these go to? https://imgur.com/a/CpxLs Thanks, Kyle

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set help

by j_hoppe＠t-online.de

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System/36 Password Cracking

by ball.of.john＠gmail.com

For those following from the VCFed thread I have been working on an IBM 5363 that I have managed to get running up to the IPL sign on. For everyone else this project is being documented at http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?62860-IBM-5363-IBM-System-36 >From there while I know who last owned the machine (from picking it up at their dock) me and my contact at this company have been unable to dig up the MASTER or administrator login information. I ahve a couple leads that might be either the username or password but so far no comnination has worked. Yes I am aware of the old USENET post regarding cracking the login on a 5362 ( https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.ibm.sys3x.misc/Vi57cbw1ofQ ) however the CE panel on the 5363 is a lot more simplified and I cannot do several of the steps. Also I do not have the system key but I can probably hotwire it Does anyone know of an alternate procedure for recovering or finding a lost MASTER login? -John

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VCF West exhibit registration is open

by cctalk＠snarc.net

VCF West XIII will be held August 4-5 at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California. Exhibit registration is open: http://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/vintage-computer-festival-west/vcf-west-exhib…. ________________________________ Evan Koblentz, director Vintage Computer Federation a 501(c)3 educational non-profit evan at vcfed.org (646) 546-9999 www.vcfed.org facebook.com/vcfederation twitter.com/vcfederation

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LSI11 CPU Microm

by dj.taylor4＠comcast.net

I was trying to put together a minimal PDP-11/03 using a quad width M7264 CPU and got nothing, no ODT prompt.? I'm not sure the board is working. Searching the internet I came across this page which described a M7264 CPU board with a 'bad' MICROM http://www.datormuseum.se/computers/digital-equipment-corporation/qbus Quoting the page; "Using a logic analyser showed that the MICROM without label is not behaving well." Anyone know how a logic analyser would be used to determine this?? Other hints to debug this board? Doug

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R.I.P. Robert T. "Doc" Suding

by spacewar＠gmail.com

I just learned from the April 2018 issue of QST that Robert T. "Doc" Suding, W0LMD, has died. Suding cofounded and was chief design engineer of The Digital Group, an early microcomputer company in Denver (1974-1979).

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Shipping a Flexowriter

by kylevowen＠gmail.com

Does anyone have any tips on preparing a Flexowriter for shipping? Any thoughts as to crate vs. pallet? Thanks, Kyle

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Somewhat random QBus backplane / chassis question

by derschjo＠gmail.com

Hi all -- I've got an 11/03 backplane here (designated as an "11/03 EA" originally but marked as "Model changed from EA to AA") inside a small chassis w/power supply, model "OH780-A."? (So it was at some point in its life the front-end to a VAX-11/780.)? As far as I can tell, it has a standard H9270 backplane (4-slot, quad width) in it. The chassis appears to work fine when I have an actual LSI-11 in there (I've been experimenting with an 11/23, but I do have an 11/03 boardset that works in it). What I want to do with the chassis is use it with a UNIBUS->QBus bridge I have, as a Qbus backplane for a SCSI controller (and maybe other things) for my VAX-11/750.? I have encountered an oddity in doing so, and I've looked at the documentation and I remain puzzled.? The oddity is this:? If I don't have an LSI-11 CPU board in place in the chassis, the power supply won't come up properly.? (The +5V appears to pulse, the kind of behavior I'd expect with a shorted or heavily loaded supply rail somewhere). Here's a basic rundown of what I've observed: - If I put an 11/23 or 11/03 CPU in, everything works fine. - Doesn't matter what slot the CPU's in either, as long as there's a CPU board somewhere in the thing, all's well. - Doesn't matter how heavily or lightly loaded the backplane is; I've tried it with just a QBus SCSI controller, I've tried it with the backplane stuffed full of boards. Since I want to use this as a simple QBus backplane, I don't want to have a CPU board in place.? I haven't seen this behavior before (but then, I can't recall trying to run a Qbus backplane without a CPU in it either).? I thought I knew QBus fairly well, so I assume I'm overlooking something obvious.? Or perhaps there is a fault here with the chassis, somehow.? I figure someone here will have the answer immediately and I'll slap my forehead... Thanks as always, Josh

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Remnants of local Commodore Users' Group being offered for free

by barythrin＠gmail.com

Whoever or whichever group does get it, i hope if they have any files or interesting info the rest of the clubs can help store. null

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R.I.P. Robert T. "Doc" Suding

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Al Kossow > The only place I ever saw an Apple I when it was for sale. Don't you wish you'd bought one - and kept it? :-) Noel

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Help with IC identification

by binarydinosaurs＠gmail.com

Hi folks, I'm looking for info on a few 8 pin DIPs that are in a cache battery module. They're marked thus: 4973 AK W79B 4965 AF W83A Anyone? I've not traced pinouts yet but maybe someone else's google-fu is better than mine today. Cheers, -- adrian/witchy Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest home computer collection? t: @binarydinosaurs f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs w: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk

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DEC Field Guide > equivalent available for Data General?

by u.tagge＠gmx.de

Hi all, is there somewhere a list of DG modules which includes also 3rd party/OEM, ... like it is available for DEC? Would be good to know what the following is: 107-000621 02 107-000621 03/11 107-001632-00 107-0016320/02 107-000718-00 107-000181-04 107-000187-16 107-000187-15-30 AB020116-00 107-000621-03 107-001768-02 107-001768-03 107-0017680-1E 107-00053905 Zetaco SCZ-2 >500-453-00 K >500-542-00 K Many Greetings Ulrich

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Remnants of local Commodore Users' Group being offered for free

by cclist＠sydex.com

This is in Eugene, OR. I received the following email on the local Freecycle-type list: ---------------------------------------------------------------- I have all of the "Lane County Commodore Users Group" (LCCUG) inventory including (but not limited to) the following : Keyboards, one monitor, transformers, two disc players for 5 1/2 inch floppies, cassette tape player, games, a whole lot of instructions, dozens of empty discs, dozens of full discs, and much more. Plus a 25-plus pound lap top (SX-64) ! More than a regular car trunk can hold . Many items in original boxes. LCCUG is no longer exists. For a classic computer buff this would be a gold mine. It is amazing what this old computer was able to do - 30 years ago! 18th and Chambers area - Eugene. jimsav97405 at yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- I have nothing to do with this offer. FYI --Chuck

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FPGA implementations of DEC processors

by chd＠chdickman.com

There are enough pdp8 fpga that they have started to calll themselves YAPDP8FPGA. So what are the really good FPGA DEC processors? -chuck

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PDP8/e programmers consoles

by chd＠chdickman.com

So the PDP8/e used the KC8-EA programmers console which has incandescent indicator lamps and the PDP8/f used the KC8-FL programmers console which has LED indicator lamps. Why? The maintenance manual says that LEDs are more reliable. The operation is as far as I know the same. The LED version doesn't need the +8VDC supply, but that seems an advantage for it. I remember reading that the EAE had some revision dependencies with the console, so were there bus timing problems with the LED console that limited it to short buses? Maybe this changed over time, but it overlapped long enough for them to have both described in the maintenance manual and specific to the application. Another console question... Has anyone ever seen a PDP8/i style console for the PDP8/e? Looking at the way the PDP8/e console functions, it should be possible to time multiplex all the register to the data bus so they are all visible at once when the machine is halted. -chuck

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DEC RL cables, terminator, etc.

by useddec＠gmail.com

Several list members have asked me about RL cables, etc. I have finally gone through most of them. If anyone needs any parts, please contact me off list. Thanks, Paul

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AlphaServers

by john.h.blake＠gmail.com

I've got two, the first being an 3000/400 64mb with two 146 gb SCSI-320 drives running on converters, one with openBSD 6 and the other with openvms 8.4 running headless. I doubt I'll ever be able to find the monitor, much less the needed cables and keyboard/mouse to turn it into the desktop it was supposed to be, so I've got a color turbochannel framebuffer if anyone has any use for it. The second is an alphaserver ds10l with the 617mhz EV67 processor, 1.5 gb ram and a radeon video card on the sole pci port, which runs openvms 8.4 on one hard drive and the most recent available version of unsupported debian linux on the other (I think it's sid?) as a workstation. Nekochan.net is a fair resource for hobbyist knowledge, possibly the only place online where people are still futzing about with Tru64. comp.os.vms on usenet (or the info-vax email gateway) is where all of the latest news and deep tech discussion goes on. vcfed.org has a very healthy DEC forum too.

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Message Reply with quotation

by gerardcjat＠free.fr

Hello Guys, It seems that YOU can reply to cctech message(s) with "quoting" the answered message. How do you do that ??? Thanks for your help. Gerard

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Andromeda Systems DC11

by bill.gunshannon＠hotmail.com

I asked this on USENET, I don't suppose it would hurt to ask here as well. Anybody here remember the Andromeda DC11? More importantly, does anyone still have Andromeda stuff laying around? The module used something called "Personality Cards" which were actually just connection adapters for different kinds of disks. I am trying to find a couple (I'd be happy with one) WPC8F adapters for connecting 8" disks to my modules.? Any chance anyone has these taking up space?? Of course, I would also take other kinds of adapters, well, except for the WPC5FA.? That's for the RX50 and even I don't have any more of them left. bill

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LSP10-NW (printer interface for KI10?)

by mattislind＠gmail.com

I have received this for a retired DEC service engineer: https://i.imgur.com/pJkcsHe.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.com/zwpSbrg.jpg According to the label it is a LSP10-NW made by DEC CSS. Previous owner claims it is for a KI10. I don't really know. I have no real use for it except for the flip-chips. Anyone has a need for such a thing or just the backplane? /Mattis

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Quad density Pertec

by gerardcjat＠free.fr

Reply to :I note that the Kennedy incremental 7 inch reel drive in the NASA flight case hasn't attracted a lot of interest. That sample tape that I got, however does verify that the parity track on this telemetry stuff is unused. So that explains the 8 data inputs with no parity on the NASA model. --ChuckWell, at least ONE person was interested ... Me .... BUT the vendor does not offerinternational shipping ( to France ), and does not care answering mail :-(Though tape transport is already "packed" ;-)Gerard

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Vintage computer event - Melbourne Australia - this Sat 24 March

by malcolm＠avitech.com.au

Melbourne's first Mini Vintage Computer Faire Various vintage microcomputers will be on display in Mooroolbark this weekend More details are available here -> https://www.facebook.com/events/1935562660092538/ The event runs from 10am to 4pm this Saturday (24 March 2018) and is at: Mooroolbark Terrace Shopping Centre 66 Brice Avenue, Mooroolbark 3138 Come along and enjoy (subject to any last-minute changes!): Replica Apple I Microbees TRS-80s Dick Smith Super 80 PDP-8/f with ASR33 Teletype Original Space Invader machine ..... and much, much more. I am not an organiser, but will be there as an exhibitor. If you are within driving distance, please come along and join in. Your support will help to encourage a larger event next year! Malcolm.

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DEC VR150 montior

by dj.taylor4＠comcast.net

Does anyone have a schematic for this DEC monitor?? I have one that has good video but doesn't seem to want to respond to video input.

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FS: More S-100 related hardware from Sellam's collection

by sellam.ismail＠gmail.com

Hello Folks. I posted more S-100 gear for sale, including several early MITS Altair boards. Please follow the link below if interested. The new Altair listings are right after the update. http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?61192-Sellam-s-S-100-Hardware-Sof… If interested, please do inquire directly to me by e-mail via < sellam.ismail at gmail.com>. Thanks! Sellam

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ISO: Harris Micro-12 (HB-61000) docs

by derschjo＠gmail.com

Hi all -- Got me a Harris Micro-12 (AKA the HB-61000), this is a single-board computer based around the Harris 6100 (PDP-8 on-a-chip) microprocessor.? I'm working on bringing it back to life and I'm trying to find docs and schematics for it. There's a high-level overview starting on page 5-4 of http://bitsavers.org/components/harris/1979_Harris_CMOS_Microprocessor_Volu…, but that's the most I've found.? Right now it looks like the FLAG 2 signal on the PIE chip (HD-6101, discussed in the aforementioned manual) is holding the 6100's RUN line low; I don't see anything telling the PIE to do that at reset, nor is anything else attached to that signal that I've been able to find, so I'm wagering that the chip is faulty at the moment.? (If I pull the PIE chip out the CPU appears to be running.)? Schematics and/or docs would make this a lot easier. Anyone have a copy of these? Thanks in advance, Josh

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UCSD p-system manuals and disks?

by mattislind＠gmail.com

I received these nice binders. https://i.imgur.com/L80ZGusl.jpg I think that most of them are already available online. Not sure about the UCSD Pascal manual? One of the binders contained some disks. https://i.imgur.com/FYIBbmjl.jpg Are these disks available online already or should I dump them? Bitsavers seems to have the Mac version. /Mattis

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Register your VCF East exhibits soon

by cctalk＠snarc.net

Don't procrastinate. http://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/vintage-computer-festival-east/vcf-east-exhib…

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AlphaServers

by BHuntsman＠mail2.cu-portland.edu

Place your wagers... How many more years do you think it'll take before decent, practical-sized Alphas, like the DS15, and to some degree, the DS10, will be obtainable at hobbyist-friendly prices? I have an ES47 I got for a price I could stomach, but it's sans rail kit, drinks power like it's going out of style, and can anchor a 40-ft yacht. Anyone out there do Alphas anymore?

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Four Unibus boards from radiation dose measurement system.

by mattislind＠gmail.com

Hello! I have four unibus boards that came in a 11/34 which was used for radiation dose measurement at a hospital. Three of them are made by Computer Design & Application inc and is a three board set interconnected with over the top flat cables. It has some kind of AMD 29xx based bitslice processor with 2903,2910 and 2914 chips. One board has some kind of dedicated memory one board has 4 TRW chips which I think are AD converters. https://i.imgur.com/lMvhxOp.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.com/LEVN5Qp.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kcSnDRy.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ZfFrq3j.jpg Then there is some kind of serial com board with four UARTs on it. https://i.imgur.com/YvnTlxq.jpg Is there any interest in these boards? Trade for something interesting DEC stuff maybe? Or something else? /Mattis

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Compaq Storageworks V5.4 kit for SUN Solaris

by Flash688＠flying-disk.com

I'm cleaning out my accumulation of "stuff" and there are several things that aren't worth the effort of putting on ebay. If anyone on this list wants them, they are yours for the cost of shipping. The first item is: QB-5JCAG-SA Compaq Storageworks RAID Array 450 V5.4A Platform Software Kit for SUN Solaris Contains: AG-R20SE-BE Software CD "RAID Array 450 V5.4A for SUN Solaris" AE-RBDYB-TE Software Product Description SPD 64.64.05 AA-R20TD-TE Release Notes AA-R20RD-TE RAID Array 450 V5.4 for Solaris 2.x Installation Guide AA-R24LA-TE StorageWorks Command Console (v1.1) User's Guide EK-HSZ50-CG HSZ50 HSOD v5.1 Array Controller Configuration Manual EK-HSZ50-SV HSZ50 HSOD v5.1 Array Controller Service Manual EK-HSCLI-RM HSZ50 HSOD v5.1 Array Controller CLI Reference Manual It weighs just under 5 pounds, so I estimate the shipping cost would be $10 to $20. Send me an email if you want it. If I don't hear from anyone in a few days, it goes into the dumpster. Alan Frisbie

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ounting screw threads for VR201?

by Flash688＠flying-disk.com

Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote: > I don't happen to have a VR201 here right now to measure directly (or > I would just do that), but IIRC, there's a threaded mounting insert on > the bottom (for the "E.T. Stand", if nothing else), I want to > fabricate a shelf clip for a VR201 and am seeking the diameter/thread > pitch for the insert. Does anyone have that info handy? It's likely > larger than 1/4-20 from what I remember. There are four brass inserts in a trapezoidal pattern, each threaded 1/4-20 (National Coarse). The trapezoid is 7.0" center-to-center for the two nearest the screen, and the rear ones are 5.0" center-to-center. It is 5.0" between the front (screen) pair and the rear pair. This is for a VR201-B -- other dash-variants may be different. If there is a base with a single large threaded insert, it may be an adapter that goes between the VR201 and the stand. Now, could someone please tell me the pinouts for the 15-pin connector? I would like to use it to view RS-170 video, if possible. Alan Frisbie

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FS: Early Revision Commodore 64 computers

by sellam.ismail＠gmail.com

Hello Folks. In the continuing saga of sorting through a big batch of Commodore stuff >from my collection, I've listed 6 different early revision Commodore 64 computers for sale. Complete details and links to photographs are on the VCFed forums here: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?62641-Sellam-s-Commodore-Sales-Th… Please do inquire directly to me by private e-mail for fastest response. Thanks! Sellam

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Mounting screw threads for VR201?

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

Hi, All, I don't happen to have a VR201 here right now to measure directly (or I would just do that), but IIRC, there's a threaded mounting insert on the bottom (for the "E.T. Stand", if nothing else), I want to fabricate a shelf clip for a VR201 and am seeking the diameter/thread pitch for the insert. Does anyone have that info handy? It's likely larger than 1/4-20 from what I remember. -ethan

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PDP8/e programmers consoles

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Allison >> What about warm white LEDs, though? ... maybe they are available in >> bulb replacement form? > I used a supply of dead bulbs to make mine. a little heat and the glass > goes, a resistor and a 3mm led and good to go. Urr, I'm not up to making them! I was really hoping for the plug-in replacement ones in white... They used to make replacements in red (we replaced the bulbs in our -11/45 with them, BITD), so I was hoping. Anyone know of a contemporary source for LED replacements for front panel bulbs? (Of any colour!) Noel

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PDP-11 DIV instruction lossage

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> I'll have to redo my kludgy fix to gmtime() ... I guess I'll have to fix > it for real, instead of my kludgy fix (which extended it to work for > 16-bit results). :-) > ... > And on the -11/23: > Note that the returned 'quotient' is simply the high part of the dividend. Heh. I had decided that the easiest clean and long-lived fix was to just to do it right, using the long division routine used in the V7 C compiler runtime: http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V7/usr/src/libc/crt/ldiv.s and I vaguely recalled reading a DMR story that talked about that, so just for amusement I decided to re-read it, and looked it up: https://www.bell-labs.com/usr/dmr/www/odd.html (the section "Comments I do feel guilty about"), and it's lucky I did, because I found this: Addendum 18 Oct 1998 Amos Shapir of nSOF (and of long memory!) just blackened (or widened) the spot a bit more in a mail message, to wit: 'I gather the "almost" here is because this trick almost worked... It has a nasty bug which I had to find the hard way! The "clever part" relies on the fact that if the "bvc 1f" is not taken, it means that the result could not fit in 16 bits; in that case the long value in r0,r1 is left unchanged. The bug is that this behavior is not documented; in later models (I found this on an 11/34) when the result does fit in 16 bits but not in 15 bits ... which makes this routine provide very strange results!' So this code won't work on an 11/23 either (which bashes the low register of the pair; above). I'd have been groveling in buggy math, again... Caveat Haquur (if you're trying to run stock V7 on a /23 or /34)! Noel

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DEC bus edge connectors

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Charles Dickman > Does anyone have DEC bus edge connectors they are willing to sell? > I would like to do some OMNIBUS interface prototyping and I need a way > to connect to the bus back-plane. Have you looked through Douglas Electronics' offerings? They have a lot of DEC-backplane compatible boards that might be what you want, e.g.: http://www.douglas.com/index.php/18-de-77.html this one. Noel

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PDP-11 DIV instruction lossage

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

So, I have discovered, to my astonishment, that the double-word version of the DIV instruction on the PDP-11 won't do a divide if the result won't fit into 15 bits. OK, I can understand it bitching if the quotient wouldn't fit into 16 bits - but what's the problem with returning an unsigned quotient? And, just for grins, the results left in the registers which hold the quotient and remainer is different in the -11/23 (KDF11-A) and the -11/73 (KDJ11-A). (Although, to be fair, the PDP-11 Architecture Manual says 'register contents are unpredictable if there's an overflow'.) Oh well, guess I'll have to redo my kludgy fix to gmtime() (the distributed version of which in V6 qhas a problem when the number of 8-hour periods since the epoch overflows 15 bits)! I guess I'll have to fix it for real, instead of my kludgy fix (which extended it to work for 16-bit results). :-) I discovered this when I plugged in an -11/73 to make sure the prototype QSIC (our RK11/etc emulator for the QBUS) worked with the -11/73 as well as the -11/23 (which is what we'd mostly been using - when we first started working on the DMA and interrupts, we did try them both). I noticed that with the -11/73, the date printed incorrectly: Sun Mar 10 93:71:92 EST 1991 After a certain amount of poking and prodding, I discovered the issue - and on further reading, discovered the limitation to 15-bit results. For those who are interested in the details, here's a little test program that displays the problem: r = ldiv(a, b, d); m = ldivr; printf("a: 0%o %d. b: 0%o %d. d: 0%o %d.\n", a, a, b, b, d, d); printf("q: 0%o %d. r: 0%o %d.\n", r, r, m, m); and, for those who don't have V6 source at hand, here's ldiv(): mov 2(sp),r0 mov 4(sp),r1 div 6(sp),r0 mov r1,_ldivr rts pc So here are the results, first from a simulator: tld 055256 0145510 070200 a: 055256 23214. b: 0145510 -13496. d: 070200 28800. q: 0147132 -12710. r: 037110 15944. This is _mathematically_ correct: 055256,0145510 = 1521404744., 070200 = 28800., and 1521404744./28800. = 0147132. And on the -11/23: a: 055256 23214. b: 0145510 -13496. d: 070200 28800. q: 055256 23214. r: 037110 15944. Note that the returned 'quotient' is simply the high part of the dividend. And on the -11/73: a: 055256 23214. b: 0145510 -13496. d: 070200 28800. q: 055256 23214. r: 037110 15944. Note that in addition to the quotient behaviour, as with the /23, the 'remainder' is the low part of the dividend. Noel

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PDP-11 floating CSRs: 760010, or 760100?

by fritzm＠fritzm.org

Hi folks, I have a question about floating CSR allocation on PDP-11s. Both the 1976 and 1981 versions of the PDP-11 peripherals handbook indicate the floating CSRs are to be allocated starting at address 760010. However, both the XXDP FLOAT program and simh's autoconfig suggest I should set my DZ11 (first floating CSR device in my config) to 760100. Anyone know what gives? thanks, --FritzM.

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allocate floating vector for DR11-C in simh pdp11 autoconfig?

by fritzm＠fritzm.org

Hi folks, I have found it very convenient to maintain a simh configuration that parallels the physical hardware configuration of my PDP-11/45. I'm just about to add a DR11-C for a physical interface that I am building -- this will "grab" a floating interrupt ahead of a DZ11 that I already have in the machine. Does anyone here know of convenient way to inform simh's autoconfig that I wish to insert a DR11-C? cheers, --FritzM.

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PDP8/e programmers consoles

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Allison > you have to pull the panel apart to replace them, gets tiring. Modern > yellow LEDs are nice and bright, and don't burn out. > Less digging in the box is a good thing as over time fumble errors can > hurt it. Agree about replacing lamps - we switched to LEDs BITD because replacing burned-out lamps (especially when you're trying to fix some _other_ problem) when there's something better available is just, silly. > Modern red leds at 8mA are very much brighter. However the yellow look > more like lamps. What about warm white LEDs, though? The ones we used in the QSIC indicator panel are, to me, pretty much indistinguishable from the lights as I recall them from BITD. I mean, maybe if I had them sitting next to each other, I could tell, but... Those are SMD, though, but maybe they are available in bulb replacement form? Noel

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Sperry Univac UTS-40 Terminal doc anyone?

by curiousmarc3＠gmail.com

I am the temporary caretaker of a Sperry UTS-40 "intelligent" terminal (very green screen, Z-80 based terminal from the late 70's or early 80's) which I grabbed on eBait for sending parts to Dominique Carlier over in Belgium. The CRT, power supply and character generator seem to work (gives a very sharp semi-random geometric display on power-on, sometimes with a few nicely drawn characters interspersed), but the darn thing does not seem to boot on reset. The picture goes away and weird sound is emitted from the speaker after a long beep-of-death. I was wondering if anyone had service documentation. Or a dump of the firmware. Al, anything that crossed your desk? Marc

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PDP11/03 BA-11M Front panel switch replacement

by dj.taylor4＠comcast.net

I have a BA11-M box with the usual front panel control, however it was damaged and all three switches have been sheared off.? The LED's and the circuit card that connects to the power supply appear to be OK.? I would like to repair it and put it back into service.? Is there a replacement for those switches? Doug

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DEC bus edge connectors

by chd＠chdickman.com

Does anyone have DEC bus edge connectors they are willing to sell? I would like to do some OMNIBUS interface prototyping and I need a way to connect to the bus back-plane. In my mis-guided youth I resorted so sawing them off perfectly good boards. I would rather not do that again. If anyone has prototype boards they have designed with fingers or dead boards they would part I will take them. My methods are crude, but effective. -chuck

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Noel idea you were into raddar so much too cool!

by couryhouse＠aol.com

all in the ?title

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radar history

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Steven Malikoff > I also have a book 'RADAR How it all began' by Jim Brown ... > incredibly precise recollection of the engineering Wow, thanks for that incredibly valuable pointer. My copy just arrived, and it's fabulous; it documents in great detail a part of the story that's little-known, which is the industrialization of the early radar work. There are a number of books from people on the research side (Watson-Watt, Bowen, etc), but not much on the industrial side. There is an obscure book: Frank Rowlinson, "Contribution to Victory: An Account of Some of the Special Work of the Metropolitan-Vickers Electrical Company Limited in the Second World War", Metropolitan-Vickers Electrical Company, Manshester, 1947 (which covers a lot of stuff, not just the radar work), but it doesn't have a lot of technical detail. What it _does_ have a lot of large, excellent B+W photos of the early CH, CHL etc transmitters (which MetroVick built), but not much technical detail of them. That book, and Brown's book, are a marvellous pairing, since he has the detailed description, but no images! A very complementary pairing. Noel

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Various Software and Documentation for shipping + donations (round 10)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

All, More of the stack. if any of this interests you please contact me via Private (not list) email at mtapley at swri.edu. If you do want something, send me your shipping address and exactly what you want. I'll get back to you with estimated shipping costs (USPS media rate where possible) as soon as I can. You send me payment (any method is acceptable; USPS does not recommend cash in the mail) and I will ship when payment arrives. If you want Fed-Ex or something different from USPS media let me know at your first contact and I will price that for you. If you can afford to send slightly more than costs, I'll collect up the surplus for Cindy and get it to her. If more than one person wants the same thing, it goes to the person sending me the earliest time-tagged email. If Al K. wants anything for Bitsavers, he gets priority (even if his is not the first email) up until it leaves my hands. There will be multiple sets of email from me, each with a short list of things, unless/until someone asks me to quit. Thanks for your attention! - Mark This list is all Books (down to and including pamphlets), no software included. ????????? Adobe Photoshop for Macintosh, Version 3 (Classroom in a Book), 1994. American Heritage Dictionary: 3rd edition for Mac. 32 pages. Communicator 4 quick-study guide. Laminated folder. DeltaGraph Pro 3 Users Guide, 2nd edition. 1993. Excel 5.0 Advanced, Macintosh, student manual. Logical Operations. 1994. Excel: Mastering Excel 5 for the Mac (An Insiders Guide). Thomas Chester and Julia Kelly. 1995. Eudora Mail Pro, educational use. V. 3.0 user manual & quick reference guide. FrameMaker. Using Framemaker release 5, Windows and Macintosh. 1995. Inspiration user manuals. Getting Started manual. Idea book. Netscape: Official Netscape Communicator 4 Book. Macintosh edition. Pi? James. 1997. Now Up-to-date and Now Contact (user manuals). (Two different versions, to match the two different versions on disk we have, I imagine.) Office: Getting Started. The On-line Research Handbook. Hayden Mead and Andy Clark. 1997. Port Replicator: Users Guide. Micronpc.com 1999 PowerPoint: Using PowerPoint 4 for Macintosh. Que, 1994. Quicken version 5.: Users Guide for Macintosh Perform Users. Quicken 5 for Macs for Dummies. Stephen L. Nelson. 1994. The Student?s Guide to Doing Research on the Internet. Dave and Mary Campbell, Addison-Wesley. 1995. vi: Learning the vi editor. Linda Lamb, O?Reilly & Associates, Ltd. 1990. Word: The Macintosh Bible Guide to Word 6. Maria Langer. ?Includes Power Macs.? 1995.

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Anyone have a Fujitsu M2451E 130mb tape drive manual?

by aek＠bitsavers.org

I have a couple of carts I'd like to read, found a drive today, talks SCSI but not common command set. It seems to act more like a disk than a tape (read block makes the tape move), but mode sense doesn't return anything sensible. The only thing I've ever been able to turn up on these drives is a mention in a Fuji product brochure

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cctalk Digest, Vol 42, Issue 14

by fred＠MISER.MISERNET.NET

> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:28:11 -0600 > From: Grant Taylor <cctalk at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net> > Subject: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 42, Issue 13 > Message-ID: > <6a172546-d8f1-13b9-f843-8fdba5799f09 at spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> > > If power / cooling / noise wasn't an issue, I'd also be interested in an > Multiprise 3000. > But, I'm happily married and I would like to keep it that way. The power requirements aren't that bad, are they? I think Guy Sotomayor (spelling, apologies if I'm butchering ...) has a MP3K that I believe I bid against him on eBay once, and he ended up getting it (which made me feel a bit better). It's what I call a 1/4 fridge size. There were/are multi MP3K's on eBay currently that I've been watching, and one didn't know if there was an OS on it (Not sure I'd want to fight that battle with IBM, although a corner of the Internet lengthy forum post (yes, anecdotes are not evidence) leads me to believe they at least are "sympathetic" to hobbyists, but they won't publically admit it. ... but I still didn't want to chance getting a paperweight. The other one is way too much for me $ wise. I have a basement and 220V available. For an IBM Mainframe of my own, damn the power bill. :) As long as it doesn't have the awful whine of an Alpha DS10-L I don't think my wife would mind. I will admit to myself that at some point there will be a limit to how many systems I can have at the house though running 24/7.... :) Fred

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3100/90?

by ftg888＠elbonia.org

I am looking into getting a VMS Machines up and running and or Open/netbsd you mentioned you had a few to donate or sale thanks. Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Mar 2018, at 11:55, Liam Proven via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > On 14 March 2018 at 11:06, Adrian Graham via cctalk > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: >> >> I'm in the process of giving >> some of them away though because they take up too much room. > > The OpenBSD project are, or were, looking for donations of high-end > VAXstations. I offered them a VAXstation 4000/60 (Red Hat offered to > sponsor shipping from London to Canada) but after some > toing-and-froing, Theo DeRaadt turned it down. > > Unfortunately, I believe RH has now lost my machine. :-( > > But if anyone is willing to donate a /90 or similar, he might be interested. > > -- > Liam Proven ? Profile: https://about.me/liamproven > Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lproven at gmail.com > Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven ? Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven > UK: +44 7939-087884 ? ?R (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053

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800 and 1600bpi 9 track test data

by aek＠bitsavers.org

There are two gzip'ed files up now of analog digitized 9 track data under http://bitsavers.org/projects/9track containing two files of 16 bit incrementing data patterns blocked 512 bytes/blk and the tach signal from a Qualstar 1260 running at 50 ips. The data can be viewed using Salea's Logic app in simulation mode if anyone has burning curiosity what a 1/2" tape block looks like. I made these as test data today for Len Shustek's 9 track readtape project https://github.com/LenShustek/readtape

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a bit off topic - looking for someone w/7 track 1/2" analog

by pete＠petelancashire.com

comp for 1 - 7/8 IPS like to get all tracks digitized https://photos.app.goo.gl/IMcgjxugzKMuIvKv2 will put on open file server then sell the tape -pete

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FS: Commodore items from Sellam's collection

by sellam.ismail＠gmail.com

Hi Folks. It's time for the Commodore collectors to get their turn. I've created a separate thread for Commodore and related items for sale from my collection. I will be continuing to add Commodore stuff to this thread as I come across it. The list is here: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?62641-Sellam-s-Commodore-Sales-Th… If you are interested in anything then as usual for fastest response please do reply to me by e-mail via <sellam.ismail at gmail.com>. Thanks! Sellam

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Speaking of tapes and good ideas, but...

by cclist＠sydex.com

During my browsing, I've run across mention of the Emerson "Tape Pac" 2000 series, a half-inch cartridge tape system targeted at minicomputers, and it seems, the PDP-11. Here's a mention in IEEE Computer, about the new products at the 1976 NCC: https://www.computer.org/csdl/mags/co/1976/06/01647391.pdf (That was about the same time as "The Milpitas Monster") I can't find of photos of the thing. Has anyone run into one of these? --Chuck

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XT/370 microcode

by seefriek＠gmail.com

>> I am not at liberty to post the document. > >This? ... >Also: ... >If so, it might be this: ... There's a difference between "I am not at liberty..." and "what anyone can google...".

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cctalk Digest, Vol 42, Issue 13

by fred＠MISER.MISERNET.NET

On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 04:25:26 +0000 > From: Benjamin Huntsman <BHuntsman at mail2.cu-portland.edu> > Subject: AlphaServers > Message-ID: > <MWHPR03MB257387ED466A847E328DC5D6E4D20 at MWHPR03MB2573.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> > > Anyone out there do Alphas anymore? I'll pile on with my $0.212 (two cents plus tax). I started with a VAXStation 4000/90A. Still have it. Absorbed that system into SIMH and upgraded to a Alphastation (server?) 255. Sold that the 255 and upgraded again to my current DS10, running OpenVMS 8.3. Typing on it now in fact, ssh'ed in from $work. Luckily, I used to work for a company that had data processing services heavily invested in OpenVMS/DEC/Compaq/HP gear. I'm sure I acquired the systems over the years for well below market rates. I could probably sell the VAX 90A for a pretty large sum of $. ... but I really don't want to ... because then I'd have the money and not the VAX. :) If the power bill was free I would upgrade again .... but I have enough 24/7 equipment running in the home office. :) ... and I'm always hunting for more! (an iSeries, perhaps a Multiprise 3000, etc ... ) Fred

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"The Quest for a Universal Translator for Old, Obsolete Computer Files"

by lproven＠gmail.com

The Quest for a Universal Translator for Old, Obsolete Computer Files To save bygone software, files, and more, researchers are working to emulate decades-old technology in the cloud. by Jessica Leigh Hester March 08, 2018 https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/how-to-open-old-computer-files ________________________________ >From the sound of this, it strikes me that several of the people/organizations that the author spoke to don't know much about running older software that _will_ work on modern hardware... -- Liam Proven ? Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lproven at gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven ? Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 ? ?R (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053

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SGI Origin 2000 Detailed Pics

by phreakshowtelco＠gmail.com

Here is detailed pics of the SGI origin 2000. Its in my shop tonight hoping we can identify whats here. Image heavy https://imgur.com/a/mdlCW Also these 19 racks came with it and it looks like some old cluster stuff in them https://imgur.com/a/feoEq

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Reading a PDP-11 RL02: Anyone Around the U.S. West Coast?

by unifoundry＠gmail.com

Greetings, I have an old PDP-11 RL02 that I would like to read, to preserve its data for archival purposes. Ideally I would like to extract and store every block on the disk. I am in southern California but would be willing to drive a day or so to anyone who still has an RL02 disk drive on a PDP-11 or VAX and can read it. I can bring a computer with X/Y/Zmodem/Kermit and RS-232 cables if that helps. Thanks, Paul Hardy

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AlphaServers

by rlloken＠telus.net

On Tue, 13 Mar 2018, Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk wrote: > Anyone out there do Alphas anymore? Well my AS4100 is running OpenVMS even as we speak. I have an Alphastation 500 here doing nothing. I arranged for somebody to get two free DS20Es last year so, yes, I still do alphas. Intel? Don't need no stinkin' intel around here. -- Richard Loken VE6BSV : "...underneath those tuques we wear, Athabasca, Alberta Canada : our heads are naked!" ** rlloken at telus.net ** : - Arthur Black

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GRI 771 Keyboard Info

by systems.glitch＠gmail.com

All, I'm looking for info on a George Risk 771 parallel ASCII keyboard. I've got one but no documentation or existing cabling. I'd like to interface it to my Poly-88. Thanks, Jonathan

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XT/370 microcode

by spacewar＠gmail.com

As the most obvious example of the impedance mismatch between 370 architecture and 68000 microarchitecture, the 68000 is hardwired to have eight each data and address registers, not sixteen GPRs, and microcode can't easily paper over that. Similarly, the 8087 microarchitecture has hardwired support for binary floating point normalization, and microcode can't efficiently force that to do radix 16 normalization. Both problems could be surmounted (inefficiently) with enough microcode, but the chips were designed with no significant extra microcode ROM and PLA capacity.

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Texas Instruments Silent 703/707 print head anyone?

by Martin.Hepperle＠MH-AeroTools.de

Hi, last weekend I cleaned and restored a TI Silent 703 printing terminal. A rather common type with its whopping 300 baud transfer rate - nevertheless a piece of history. It was easy to fix a broken trace on the keyboard PCB (corrosion) and to roughen the idler roller for better grip on the paper. Now there is one issue left: The print head is missing one dot (infinite resistance: burnt out) and one dot prints weak (resistor seems to have twice the resistance of the others, which are all around 95 Ohms). As these terminals were produced in large numbers and the printhead/ribbon cable combo was a user serviceable part someone might have some spare parts... So: if you have a new or used part #2310472-0001 printhead, thermal I would be interested. It is a 10 wire ribbon cable with the print head. It was used in the 703 and 707 and probably also in other devices of the TI 700 Silent family. Martin

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are there scanned copies of Honeywell computer journal in pdf or? have several bound volumes 68-69 and also 73... tightly bound... if scanned already somewhere will just put on shelf her and consider no further action

by couryhouse＠aol.com

are there scanned ? copies of Honeywell?computer journal in pdf or? ?have several bound? volumes 68-69 ?and??also ?73... ?tightly bound... ?if ?scanned ?already? somewhere will just put on shelf her and consider?no further action ? ed# www.smecc.org

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Various Software and Documentation for shipping + donations (round 10B)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

All, More of the stack. if any of this interests you please contact me via Private (not list) email at mtapley at swri.edu. If you do want something, send me your shipping address and exactly what you want. I'll get back to you with estimated shipping costs (USPS media rate where possible) as soon as I can. You send me payment (any method is acceptable; USPS does not recommend cash in the mail) and I will ship when payment arrives. If you want Fed-Ex or something different from USPS media let me know at your first contact and I will price that for you. If you can afford to send slightly more than costs, I'll collect up the surplus for Cindy and get it to her. If more than one person wants the same thing, it goes to the person sending me the earliest time-tagged email. If Al K. wants anything for Bitsavers, he gets priority (even if his is not the first email) up until it leaves my hands. There will be multiple sets of email from me, each with a short list of things, unless/until someone asks me to quit. Thanks for your attention! - Mark This list is all Software. Some of it appears to match the books in the previous list, which is why this is titled round 10B - if you are interested in one of these, let me know to look for the matching manual (if I have it). ????????? Adobe Acrobat 4.0, education version Adobe Photoshop 3.0, 8 disks DeltaGraph Professional for Macintosh. 3 disks. 1991. DeltaGraph Pro 3. 1994. 4 disks. EarthLink Sprint Internet Access Software: Total Access 2.0, Mac or Windows, with a book called ?Getting the Most out of the Internet,? third edition, for new users of the EarthLink network, including such information as how to use email. Framemaker release 5 (for Macintosh). CD-ROM disk, quick reference, Introducing Frame Maker, Installing FrameMaker Inspiration for Macintosh. V. 4.1a Two disks. 1988-1994. Also 4.1c Updater. Kensington Mouseworks QuickStart, plus disk, v. 5.04. MacWorld present Click art disk Norton Utilities v. 4.0, education Now Synchronize. 2 disks. For Palm Pilot and Mac. Now Up-To-Date, and Contact. V. 3.5 for Macintosh. 3 disks. Now Up-to-Date. 1993. (probably later than the other one? Looks more sophisticated) Now Contact, 1993. Ohio Distinctive Software: Executive Diet Helper, Weight Loss Planner, Menu Planner (Macintosh), 1994 Sad macs Utilities, the official companion disk for Ted Landau?s book, Sad Macs, Bombs, and Other Disasters. 1996.

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Quad density Pertec

by cclist＠sydex.com

On 03/11/2018 08:19 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > I've scrapped six of those already. They aren't worth anything. > > > On 3/11/18 1:23 AM, jim stephens wrote: >> I think this is actually a quad density half inch.? If the guy didn't burn it up (says probably 12v fault) it would be >> handy. >> Isn't that a Kennedy streamer? Sure looks like one. I note that the Kennedy incremental 7 inch reel drive in the NASA flight case hasn't attracted a lot of interest. That sample tape that I got, however does verify that the parity track on this telemetry stuff is unused. So that explains the 8 data inputs with no parity on the NASA model. --Chuck

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Cray Origin 2000 From Indiana University Scaamp Project- Rescued

by phreakshowtelco＠gmail.com

I won an auction down at Indiana University for an SGI Origin 2000 System and 19 racks. Trip was an adventure. Rented a 26ft Penske Truck which was a junkheap in itself. Off we went. My gf and her best friend went along and had a blast. 7 Hour drive down from Michigan to Bloomington Indiana. In a rainstorm at dark. Waffle House outside of Indianapolis made for a very nice night. Got loaded up 9am yesterday morning. And headed home. Here are pics of the SGIs. And my gf's find an IBM Selectric II. Shes a typewriter lover. https://imgur.com/a/XzDXg Plan now is to start rounding up parts to fix it. It seems mostly cosmetic. Goal is to have it fully operational by VCFMW. I also found some historical info on it too https://www.hpcwire.com/1997/05/16/indiana-u-installs-64-node-origin2000/ Eventually this belongs on display somewhere. I plan to get an inventory of everything this week. and Im looking for any extra parts that anyone has for this. Thanks

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Replica IBM 5150 PC motherboard

by lproven＠gmail.com

This turned up on Fess Bouc yesterday and it was news to me. It's a DIY replica of an original IBM PC motherboard: http://www.mtmscientific.com/pc-retro.html -- Liam Proven ? Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lproven at gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven ? Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 ? ?R (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053

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Last sun3 ask: In search of a SCSI controller (VME) for a 3/260

by ian.finder＠gmail.com

Folks, sorry for the Sun spam. Everything was working in my newly acquired 3/260, and the monitor is even starting to shape up. It was a gorgeous machine until I tried to use the SCSI bus on it. The controller is dead, very dead. No fuses or obvious things. No matter the device or chain... including the original disks. ?getbyte error, phase mismatch? So again I plead- does anyone have a Sun 3 scsi controller, preferably of the internally pinned type, sitting on a shelf somewhere? Thanks, - Ian

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2 long lost systems Needs OS, Update

by g-wright＠att.net

Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 04:53:27 +0000 (UTC) From: Jerry Wright <g-wright at att.net> To: "cctalk at classiccmp.org" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: 2 long lost systems Needs OS Message-ID: <1082292210.13919302.1520571207779 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi All,? I'm still looking for the OS media or any manuals for 2 systems 1 is a OSM Zues 4 Early Z80 System,the other is? a Pertec p4010 mini. which uses coax to the terminals.? I can find a little bit on the Pertec 3200 but nothing on the 4010. Thanks, Jerry ,,,,,,,,,,,,,? Update? ,,,,,,,,, for those that asked and add info The Zues is cute little desk top system with? a wood top. 16x16, Very simple, but nice.Had its own Multi user OS, Z80,? Seagate? ST-212 HD? 12 meg , 5 1/4 Floppy.? With 10 serial? ports, I would guess this thing would be sweating bullets,? if all 10 ports where busy. Of coarse this is 2018 and it still runs. That has to say something.? date code is 1984 ?Pertec After doing a little searching . This is a Pertec 3200 series. By the info I have seen,It is a 3230 floor standing model.? The P4010 on the tag is most likely the configuration ??? It has a 70 meg HD (MFM), Bridge board,Tape drive and? 5 1/4 Floppy. 68020 processor The Coax ports, where fast and The terminals could? be a long distance away. The Bridge board has a 68000 Processor and DPT sticker on the Roms.? Very nicely made Machine. Each Terminal Had a Z-80 with 64k of Memory in it. There is a company in? Denver that lists the OS but they have not returned my E-mail Requests Yet ?? - Jerry I have added some Zues and Pertec? Terminal pictures to this file. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xsa6xu6fn9ct6db/AAC93v0xdy0nSuOJQ-1ApGbta?dl=0

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Pertec P4010 pictures, Maybe was 2 long lost Systems needs OS

by g-wright＠att.net

Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 04:53:27 +0000 (UTC) From: Jerry Wright <g-wright at att.net> To: "cctalk at classiccmp.org" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: 2 long lost systems Needs OS Message-ID: <1082292210.13919302.1520571207779 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi All,? I still looking for the OS media or any manuals for 2 systems 1 is a OSM Zues 4 Early Z80 System,the other is? a Pertec p4010 mini. which uses coax to the terminals.? I can find a little bit on the Pertec 3200 but nothing on the 4010. Thanks, Jerry Here are a few pictures of the P4010 ?Try this again. Let me know it ti fails - Jerry https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xsa6xu6fn9ct6db/AAC93v0xdy0nSuOJQ-1ApGbta?dl=0

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Sanyo PHC-3100 (or PHC-3000) ?

by mattislind＠gmail.com

Does anyone have more info on these Japanse machines. I collected the infomation I got from the former owner of a PHC-3100. Interesting machines based on the TMS9900. http://www.datormuseum.se/computers/others/sanyophc3100-1 I have 32 floppies which was dumped using ImageDisk. 40 tracks, double sided, FM encoding. But none of these floppies are original so I am not sure if I have the full OS, whatever that is. I also lack documentation. >From what I understand they were never sold outside Japan.

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Pertec P4010 computer

by g-wright＠att.net

Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 04:53:27 +0000 (UTC) From: Jerry Wright <g-wright at att.net> To: "cctalk at classiccmp.org" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: 2 long lost systems Needs OS Message-ID: <1082292210.13919302.1520571207779 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi All,? I still looking for the OS media or any manuals for 2 systems 1 is a OSM Zues 4 Early Z80 System,the other is? a Pertec p4010 mini. which uses coax to the terminals.? I can find a little bit on the Pertec 3200 but nothing on the 4010. Thanks, Jerry Here is a few pictures, This has? a 68020 processor and a build date of 1989 Pertec_4010.zip - Jerry | | | | | | | | | | | Pertec_4010.zip Shared with Dropbox | | | |

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2 long lost systems Needs OS

by g-wright＠att.net

Hi All,? I still looking for the OS media or any manuals for 2 systems 1 is a OSM Zues 4 Early Z80 System,the other is? a Pertec p4010 mini. which uses coax to the terminals.? I can find a little bit on the Pertec 3200 but nothing on the 4010. Thanks, Jerry

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Picked up a couple 386 machines

by lyokoboy0＠gmail.com

While working at the scrapyard today, i managed to get a couple 386 machines right as they were being dropped off. One is a pakard bell with monitor, in pristine condition. The other is a Tandy 2500 with monitor, in rough looking shape but working too. The monitor is pretty beat up for the tandy but working. I have been on the look ut for a good 386 mahine for a while now, i got kinda lucky and picked up two working systems in one day. The pakard bell is up and running fine, it was a pretty standard machine and just needed a hard drive. The tandy 2500 is pretty nice as well, it has a cdrom and a hard drive installed, although the hard drive is dead and seems to only accept AT hard drives. I am still learning about tandy computers, on my other machines, i was unable to find an 8 bit isa cad that could support newer ide drives. On the machine i just picked up it looks like a 16 bit isa slot is free, if i were to install a 16 bit ide hard drive controller for use with newer ide drives, would it work, or cause some kind of conflict with the onboard hard drive controller? The floppy drive is quite dirty but reads disks sometimes, i need to clean it up. Im hoping to post back with a couple pictures of both the machines running. I do not need them both, I really like the packard bell, but if someone absolutely needs a 386 machine with monitor I am open to offers to get one shipped out and keep the other one. --Devin

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VT52 microprogram

by lars＠nocrew.org

Hello, Does anyone have VT52 microprogram ROM image, a listing, or a copy of "DECscope System Manual"? Best regards, Lars Brinkhoff

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Hand-crafted beauty pays tribute to the dawn of home computing looks like a PET! but in walnut!

by couryhouse＠aol.com

Hand-crafted beauty pays tribute to the dawn of home computing https://newatlas.com/love-hulten-pet-de-lux/53608/ Ed# www.smecc.org

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Anyone have the service guide for a Sanyo VM4209 monitor?

by janso96＠hotmail.com

Hi, I'm trying to repair this monitor, but unfortunately I can't find any service manual or guide with schematics for it. I found something on www.electronic-circuitry.com<http://www.electronic-circuitry.com>, but it's impossible to download. Thanks in advance, Janek Sochaczewski

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Dec-10 Day announcement from Living Computers: Museum + Labs

by RichA＠livingcomputers.org

Happy DEC-10 Day! It is my honor to announce that we at Living Computers: Museum + Labs are releasing to the computing community our Massbus Disk Emulator and all the associated software. This device connects via Massbus cables to the RH10 and RH20 interfaces on KI-10 and KL-10 systems, to the RH11 interface on KS-10 and small PDP-11 systems (including the front end 11/40 on the KL-10), and to the RH70 on the PDP-11/70. The MDE provides up to 8 emulated RP06 or RP07 disks (represented by disk files in the format used by the SimH emulation of these systems). We expect that it will also work with the RH780 on the VAX-11/780 and VAX-11/785 although we have not yet tested it in this configuration. The original MDE was designed by Keith Perez in 2005, and emulated up to four RP06 drives connected to a KL-10. The current generation was a redesign by Bruce Sherry in conjunction with the restoration of our DECsystem-1070 in 2012, and initially provided eight RP06 drives on the RH10. It has undergone continual development, with associated software created for us by Bob Armstrong, and is now being opened up for the use of the relevant communities. To this end, we have placed the design files for the hardware and the source files for the software to interface with it, along with our library of Universal Peripheral Emulator routines, on public access repositories at Github. The URLs for these repositories are https://github.com/livingcomputermuseum/MDE2 https://github.com/livingcomputermuseum/MBS https://github.com/livingcomputermuseum/UPELIB These are released under a very liberal license which will allow for free use of the MDE by any interested party. Happy Dec-10 Day! Rich Richard Alderson, Sr. Systems Engineer Living Computers: Museum + Labs 2245 1st Avenue S Seattle, WA 98134 Cell: (206) 465-2916 Desk: (206) 342-2239 http://www.livingcomputerss.org/

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AlphaCom Terminal

by billdegnan＠gmail.com

The 1969-71 AlphaCom terminal is a candidate for https://terminals-wiki.org/ Here are some photos http://www.vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=502 I got this from the inventor's son. I am unsure how many of these were made or put into production. The terminal kind-of worked for a while, it saves forms in core memory and transmits them like a glass teletype (i.e. datapoint 3300) and would have been a competitor machine. Unfortunately it's too complex for me to decipher, there are no schematics and I am unable to get it running again. The Sanyo TV adapted as a display is also dysfunctional now. Perhaps someone here would like to help me make progress. I have a ton of photos on my site, linked from the above thread, but doubtless more research is necessary. I am located in Landenberg, PA USA near Philadelphia due west of Newark Delaware. BIll

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DEC compatible boards

by useddec＠gmail.com

I have well over 100, maybe 200 DEC compatible boards which I have no plans to use. Maybe 20 or so EMULEX, DILOG, ADAC, DATA TRANSLATIONS, and dozens or other manufacturers. Also the ones that have no company name on them. They range from a few PDP-8 boards, to Q-bus. Unibus, to VAX. I hope to have a complete list sometime later this year, bur feel free to send a wish list (off list)and I will dig through them. Thanks, Paul

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old TV, radio, hi fi service manuals

by sales＠elecplus.com

I have at LEAST 5 cases of these old Sam's books. Any interest, or dumpster fodder? Mostly Zenith and RCA. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 830-370-3239 cell sales at elecplus.com AOL IM elcpls --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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Pics of the 3B2 stuff, if anyone is interested.

by sales＠elecplus.com

Like I said, I think Seth is taking these. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1kt4K6UMy54kNjzgL-1t_iwXm6RqsfJVJ?usp =sharing Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 830-370-3239 cell sales at elecplus.com AOL IM elcpls --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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3B2 stuff

by sales＠elecplus.com

It is just the manuals. Seth answered me and I am pretty sure he is going to take them. I don't have the 200 pound hardware anymore. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 830-370-3239 cell sales at elecplus.com AOL IM elcpls --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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