- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by news＠computercollector.com

Hi folks, Just an FYI, I updated the list of vintage computing events at the newsletter web site. Go to http://news.computercollector.com and click 'events' in the 'about us' section. Please send me an off-list message if you're aware of other (non-gaming) events that should be included. - Evan ===== Tell your friends about the Computer Collector Newsletter! -- It's free and we'll never send spam or share your email address -- Publishing every Monday(-ish), ask about writing for us -- Mainframes to videogames, hardware and software, we cover it all -- W: http://news.computercollector.com E: news(a)computercollector.com -- 665 readers and counting!

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classiccmp server upgrade

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

It did not go well. One of the screws in the boot drive removable tray stripped out. That taught me to always check the torque setting on the screwdriver. I had to go back home to get a GraBit and dig it out. When I got back to the datacenter... I found that the new disk controller for some reason absolutely refuses to work at all in the classiccmp motherboard. No clue why - tested it in other machines and it works fine. Just not in the classiccmp server. This puts me in the fun position of having a perfectly functioning system sans drives, and weeks of work (data) on a set of drives - neither of which can be connected together. The only thing I can think of is a new M/B but I really don't want to do that. I'll call escalade/3ware on monday. Wasted day. Everything was finally put back the way it was. I'll keep ya'll posted. Jay

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Using 3.5" HD drives on CP/M systems

by randy＠s100-manuals.com

I have tried to get a quorum on comp.os.cpm but there are only a few with any opinions. We all agree that 3.5" drives are a viable way to go. Many prefer to never change from 8" drives. I am running the SuperIO (www.imsai.net), it is a new Imsai card and uses a PC controller. I have a variety of CP/M systems with a variety of storage mediums. The point is for those of us that use 3.5" HD drives should try and come to a consensus for a "standardized" format. Questions such as sector size and numbering come to mind. With more PC's dropping 3.5" drives does that mean there will be a limit to new drives all together? Are USB drives a reasonable option. I've been using Flash ROM cards (on both my SuperIO system and coming up now on my eZ80 Acclaim) and I am hoping to come up with a scheme for sharing data with PC's. I like Flash cards since digital cameras should help support continue on PC's. I'm also looking into IDE based CD/DVD drives but they are a one way road since I do not believe CP/M systems will ever write them. I am trying to build a quorum of technically minded CP/M users to try and develop a semi-standard and other ideas. Randy

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Tandy Xenix Basic

by CCTalk＠catcorner.org

I know I promised a disk image of this if I was able to read it. I now have the disk image (SingleSided/DoubleDensity) dd imaged, but can't for the life of me figure out who it was. If it was anyone on the list, please reply privately. I already asked on the comp.sys.tandy newsgroup. Thanks, Kelly

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NTSC test pattern generator on VCD?

by cb＠mythtech.net

> Now I wouldn't mind a real colorbar generator, but a >algorithmically-generated MPEG would be adequate for non-broadcast >use, surely. > >Does anyone know of the existence of such a thing? Theoretically, one >could perhaps generate a "proper" still image from a program like >GIMP/Paint/Photoshop, etc... then use a movie tool to generate >'frames' from it, then make an MPEG to play the image as long as one >would like (a VCD or SVCD is around 45 min on a CD-R blank) - >presto... el-cheapo color bars. I know there are DVD test discs out there that have test patterns on them. This would actually be fairly trivial for me to whip up on my computer. I just did a quick google search and the first hit had a downloadable GIF of the standard color bar pattern. I could toss a 1 MHz tone (IIRC that is the right freq, I'll have to look it up to be sure) in the background, and loop it in Quicktime, then output to VCD. If you really want one, let me know, I can build you a VCD this weekend and mail you a copy. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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NTSC test pattern generator on VCD?

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

All, I was tweaking the knobs on a Panasonic "Color Video Monitor" (NTSC/"VTR input" version of a Panasonic 19" TV marketed to the AV crowd, not the home consumer), and I realized that since I don't have any genuine TV diagnostic tools, but I do have modern things like a DVD player that can play CDs, etc, wouldn't it be handy to have a VCD of color bars, etc., as a reference to adjust composite-input devices? Now I wouldn't mind a real colorbar generator, but a algorithmically-generated MPEG would be adequate for non-broadcast use, surely. Does anyone know of the existence of such a thing? Theoretically, one could perhaps generate a "proper" still image from a program like GIMP/Paint/Photoshop, etc... then use a movie tool to generate 'frames' from it, then make an MPEG to play the image as long as one would like (a VCD or SVCD is around 45 min on a CD-R blank) - presto... el-cheapo color bars. Also, if there is another technique to do this (without having to have a live, NTSC-emitting classic computer generating it real-time), I'm all ears. I don't technically mind having to fire up a C-64 to pump out colors, but, that one, in particular, may or may not have pure enough colors to do the job properly. Even an Atari 800 might not be close enough, but at least it has a larger palette. I'd rather just use a dedicated device that doesn't have to rely on a custom program in ROM or on a disk, such as this Apex 1100-W DVD player, a handy dictionary-sized box that just displays a picture when you throw in a disc. Technically speaking, though, since this device also plays JPG picture discs, I could burn a disc with one file, a JPG of color bars... that might not be too hard to find. As for the specific idea of building an MPG of color bars, thanks for any tips and pointers, -ethan

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Burroughs on TV

by Innfogra＠aol.com

"Made in America" is the Program and the computer company is Burroughs.

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Help to ID Emulex board

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 29 2005, 10:05, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > What is this board? > > Made by Emulex. Has ASSY# SU0210401. ROM on board says "SC0210201-AXC W/ > Boot Strap". > > Has on top two 26-pin connectors and one 60-pin. Emulex SC02 controller for two SMD drives. I think the "SU" means Unibus, but I can't remember. It could be an SC02/A, SC02/C, or some other version. The ROMs determine which version; the different versions make the drives appear as different types: RK06/06, RM02/03, MSCP, ... And your one has (or had) the bootstrap ROM (a small TTL PROM, IIRC). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Stellar GS-1000 Graphics Computer

by vcf＠siconic.com

Is anyone interesting in acquiring a Stellar Computers Inc. GS-1000 graphics supercomputer circa the mid-1980s? There's not a whole lot of information online but it basically was a vector processing special purpose graphics computer used for generating intense graphics. If you want it, it's yours. Free. Local pick-up prefered. If you want me to ship it you'll have to reimburse me for my time in a reasonable manner. Be groovy, reply off-line. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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possible classiccmp server maintenance

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I'm going to head down to the datacenter in a bit to look into the hard drive migration. Of course, I have to have that riser card and it's not here. So if I get down there and it's not there I'll try to do the upgrade tomorrow. If it is there, I will try to do the upgrade in about an hour. So if the list goes down in an hour, you know I found the riser card and it'll be down for a bit :) Jay

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Help to ID Emulex board

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Gotta be an SMD disk controller. I think SC-21 is for UNIBUS. MS

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Using an IBM PCjr wireless keyboard

by cb＠mythtech.net

>For the wireless PCjr >keyboard, I don't have the thingey that would connect to the PC. > > Has anyone ever tried to use the PCjr wireless keyboard on a modern >system? Any recommentations? It has been a while since I've looked at my PCjr, but IIRC, the IR receiver is built into the chassis of the PCjr. Thus, there is nothing to "connect" to the PC, and thus, it would be improbable that you could use the PCjr keyboard wirelessly with a modern PC. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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HP 21MX E-series front panel keyboards

by peterbrown10＠hotmail.com

Hi All, How many types of front panel keyboard were used with the 2113 E-series CPU? I have one in front of me that has two ribbon cables that run from the keyboard PCB to the CPU PCB (one from the top edge of the keyboard PCB one >from the bottom edge) but I seem to remember having seen other 2113 CPU's where the keybaord PCB is smaller and a single cable runs from the bottom edge of the keyboard to the CPU PCB. What I'm trying to do is find a 'short' front panel to replace the 'embedded' keybaord of a 5420 Signal Analyser and turn it back into an mini E-series CPU. I had assumed that I would be able to unbolt the top of a 2113 front panel and use just the keyboard portion of the assembly but the PCB behind the keyboard that I have turns out to be too tall! Is there is shorter one available. Can anyone shed any light on this one? Cheers Peter Brown

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NTSC test pattern generator on VCD?

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

At 23:00 28/01/2005 -0500, you wrote: >All, > >I was tweaking the knobs on a Panasonic "Color Video Monitor" >(NTSC/"VTR input" version of a Panasonic 19" TV marketed to the AV >crowd, not the home consumer), and I realized that since I don't have >any genuine TV diagnostic tools, but I do have modern things like a >DVD player that can play CDs, etc, wouldn't it be handy to have a VCD >of color bars, etc., as a reference to adjust composite-input devices? > >Does anyone know of the existence of such a thing? There are a number of diagnostic DVD's intended to setup your home theater. I have an older one called "Avia" which has a fairly wide range of video and audio tests - It does color bars and numerous other video tests, and comes with colored filters that you use to look at the screen during some of the color tests. Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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Available in Arnhem(NL)

by hofmanwb＠worldonline.nl

Hi All, A charity here in Arnhem wants to scrap the following stuff: 1 WHSMITH Computer Program Data Recorder 2 Toshiba Plotter Printer HX-P570 3 Philips VG-8020 homecomputer (MSX) 4 Goldstar FC-200 Personal Computer 5 Ancona KG533/00B screen with tulip plugs for CVBS In and Audio In, Scart plug 6 Ancona KG520/00B screen with tulip plugs for CVBS In and Audio In 7 Philips 7BM723 screen (with 6pole Din plug input) 8 Philips CM833 screen with tulip plugs for CVBS In and Audio in, Scart plug,8 pole Din plug 9 a number of MDA screens 10 a CGA screen Contact me if you would want some. A charity being a charity they would appreciate some donation. Wim

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CS-600HD tapes

by ltroth＠socal.rr.com

Don Back in May of 2003 you indicated that you had a box of Maxell digital cassette tapes. Do you still have these? Are you interested in selling them? I could pay by PayPal or check. Please let me know. Larry Troth Chatsworth, California

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Burroughs on TV

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Talk about short, 3 or 4 minutes I think. The talked about the early years and ended with the B5000. You really can't summarize Burroughs in that short of time. They did recommend The Computer Museum in San Diego. I captured the segment in VHS Video but have no way of posting it. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Keypunches in St Louis on TV

by Innfogra＠aol.com

"Made in USA" ( a TV Program) on the Travel Channel promises something with pictures of keypunches in this current segment. 8:00 - 8:30 PST

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cctech Digest, Vol 17, Issue 28

by list＠saracom.com

>From: Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks(a)gmail.com> >Subject: Re: VT320 Terminal RS232 Receiver >To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >Message-ID: <f4eb766f05012615515fe34742(a)mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:47:31 -0500, list(a)saracom.com <list(a)saracom.com> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I managed to feed -48VDC into the data receive pin of my > > VT320 at work. So of course the magic smoke came out. > >Ow! Yea, did not make my day. We do telecom testings. Most everything is -48VDC battery powered. So I managed to accident get the battery power across the equipment's frame ground and it then put the voltage on the receive pins and lord knows what else. > > Which chip is the receiver chip? > >If the VT320 is like its predecessors (VT220...), it uses 9636 and >9637 chips, *not* 1488s and 1489s. I do not recall off the top of my >head which one is Tx and which one is Rx, but if you get the pinouts >for the chips, it should only take a couple of minutes to determine >which is which by using a continuity tester/VOM to trace out the input >pin from the interface jack. Both the 9636 and 9637 are 8 pin DIPs, >so it wouldn't even take that long *without* a chip pinout. You just >need to know which is the RxD input from the outside world... the chip >that's attached to that would be the fried one. > >Also... you might be able to spot a pinhole or other mechanical damage... I found the two drivers chips (9636). They had a different number but they cross-listed to the 9636s. There was another 8 pin chip between the two and the traces look like they might run to it. So its probably the receiver. However it has a number different than the 9637. I of course forgot to write it down. So is life. Anyway might be a mute point for now as I remembered I have another VT320 in the shed with a bad tube. Anyway, Digikey lists the 9637 as available so I might try fixing the board as a spare. Thanks for the help. Of I will also put sockets in.

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VT320 Terminal RS232 Receiver

by list＠saracom.com

> >Message: 22 >Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:06:59 -0800 >From: "Bruce Lane" <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com> > > MC1488 or 1489, I don't recall which one's the receiver (I think > it's the 1488). Usually mounted fairly close to the RS232 port. > > Happy hunting. Thanks Bruce. Many of the DEC terminals don't use the 1488 and 1489 for the receiver and driver. This one doesn't. But thanks for the quick input. Max

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by vp＠cs.drexel.edu

"Randy McLaughlin" <randy(a)s100-manuals.com> wrote: > [...] PostScript is useless in this > case since the documents are stored as graphical images and cannot be used > on the classic computers. What???? What makes you think that "classic computers" are character based? I don't want to start a "my machine supported graphics earlier than yours", but as a datapoint, I used a PERQ for my undergrad project in the early 80s. Since this was running Unix V7 (or smth close), I am sure you can get a postscript viewer running on it (or a tiff viewer for that matter), while you'd have no chance in hell of getting Acrobat Reader for it. Which gives me a nice excuse to repeat my favorite line: I use open source software not because it is free, but because I get to keep the code (so I do not depend on the code author to port the software to newer/different/stranger platforms). **vp

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Fw: Congress looking at Orphaned Books

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Sorry that's on books ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keys" <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> To: "cctalk@classiccmp" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:42 PM Subject: Congress looking at Orphaned Software > Seen on the m100 list: > > The Copyright Office of the Library of Congress, at the request of > Senators Leahy and Hatch, are requesting comments on the problem of > Orphaned (Copyrighted) Works. > > http://www.copyright.gov/fedreg/2005/70fr3739.html >

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Congress looking at Orphaned Software

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Seen on the m100 list: The Copyright Office of the Library of Congress, at the request of Senators Leahy and Hatch, are requesting comments on the problem of Orphaned (Copyrighted) Works. http://www.copyright.gov/fedreg/2005/70fr3739.html

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by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

der Mouse <mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> wrote: > You don't need Acrobat, no matter what a bunch of webpages may claim. > GhostScript groks PDFs just fine. > > Indeed, ghostscript comes with a script that eats PDF and produces PS. The problem is that PS recreated from PDF can never be as good as the original PS from which the PDF was made. I'm not saying that PDF should be banned, making a file format illegal would be just as much against Cosmic Law as making a weed illegal. What infuriates me is that people have PS and they ASSUME that I want PDF instead, and they convert their PS to PDF and send me the PDF and not PS. I want the original PS! MS

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 28 2005, 10:47, Computer Collector Newsletter wrote: > >>>> who actually _USE_ our classic computers for our day-to-day work > > Do you mean you use a classic computer as your ** primary ** machine, or just > that you happen to use it ** once in a while ** for your current work? Count me in. The machine I use most at home is the SGI Indy I bought ten years ago. The machine I use most at work is either one of a pair of SGI O2s on my desk, bought a few years later. The Indy has been expanded quite a lot, and now handles various services for family and friends as well as personal use; I use it because it's "nicer" than the Pentium which is sitting next to it running XP (which crashed and died horribly yesterday, for the second time in three months. Not bad for a machine that gets used a few times a week, and has little more than the OS+Word+Firefox loaded on it). It's also considerably easier for me to get/write most of the software I want on a real Unix box than on a Windows one. Also easier to do proper backups (ie ones that can actually be used to recover the system or parts thereof). Of course, the PC at home and a similar one at work get used for Word documents that some people send me, some web pages that older browsers on the SGI don't handle well, or that newer browsers on the SGI handle only slowly, so they're the second-most used machines, I suppose. The third-most used (discounting other SGIs I have) would probably be my Acorn Archimedes, vintage 1987, one careful owner from new, and still with a better GUI than Microsoft's. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Extra Alto Mouse & pads

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Last 14 hours and I just got a bid. I have an Alto Mouse up on eBay along with 2 Xerox mouse pads. _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5159060230&ssPageN… =STRK:MESE:IT_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5159060230&ssPageNa…) Paxton Astoria, OR Innfosale

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by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Ram Meenakshisundaram <RMeenaks(a)OLF.COM> wrote: > Friday's are really slow and for a pencil pusher like me, its extremely slow As I said, I perfectly understand and applaud you using company time for the list, what I don't understand is why do you use the company mail account rather than Telnet or SSH from work to your own machine where YOU are the god/king/czar and mail from there. That's what I did when I worked for companies. And yes, I excelled at stealing their paid time and giving it to worthy causes. MS

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by Saquinn624＠aol.com

Regarding the collection in Monroe: I am in the Renton area, and I might be able to get up there and pick up some stuff & ship, especially if someone would be able to explain little details (esp. customs) & possibly help chip in for gas (snow in the area might help, so I could get some X-country in, but I'm not expecting that to be provided by you). I would be interested in a 3/80 and possibly one of the Apples. Thread 2: A request for Deskpro 386/20e information was posted. I have docs & disks for a Deskpro 386/25 if they would be helpful (scans & dds delivered over E-mail). Some of the docs are messed up (I think they talk about ESDI disks, when the machine has IDE). Thread 3: CremeVAX is working! a little flakiness still, but it seems to have been a slightly bent pin on the KA-43 SCSI connector that shorted out only when the plug was inserted. I'm in the process of grafting on a HD-50 external SCSI connector based on the pinouts from the DEC68-centronics50 interface cable that I found online. I'm trying to figure a hack for attaching the disks to the midplane shelf that doesn't involve drilling mounting holes now (it didn't come with the bosses that fit in the slots) I'm working on scans of the XENIX docs- does anyone have tips on how to format them? my school has an ADF ScanJet (fortunately), but I don't know where to go from there. I have some stuff that I'm cleaning out: A Wyse-150 terminal. The battery died (a lithium coin-type by the looks), but it still works (hit space to clear the error beeps on powerup, or put in a new batt.) With AT type keyboard Microsoft InPort bus mouse with 8-bit ISA controller. Novell NetWare 2.2 5-user serialized with manuals, works on 286 -> 486 machines, maybe 586. Compaq ProLiant drive tray (Ultra-Wide SCSI, for SCA 1/3 ht drives) Sun SPUD-II 1/2 ht drive sled Okidata Microline 24 pin printhead, carriage, narrow-format gear rack, RS-232 interface & tractor IBM buttons and dials IBM RS/6000 7030-3CT parts (most of it, it came with my 370) Dell Latitude mini-dock SGI Indigo2 IMPACT R4k/250 32/[drive died]/Solid IMPACT Sun SPARCstation 5/110 128/2g/TGX with either SunOS 4.1.3_U1 or Solaris 2.6 More will come out later, this is just a start. I'm in Western Washington (State, USA) Some of the stuff is give-away, some is trade or $. If anyone should happen to want to trade anything, I'm interesten in (small) 88k AViiON's, DECs, SGI (especially a CDC-rebadged Indigo) or DOMAIN/OS 10.4(.1), DG/UX 88k, olde IRIX (3.3-4.0.5), NeXTStep Intel/Sun (don't have to be original). Other "interesting" things would be considered. -Scott Quinn

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by RMeenaks＠OLF.COM

>> You just ignore the lawyers and go on with life. > > No, don't ignore them, shoot them. AK47 does wonders against lawyers. I have yet to meet a lawyer with any combat skills whatsoever. Lawyers are > cowards hiding their sorry asses behind pigs (cops). But there are more of us than there are pigs! If every freedom-loving civilian took a gun and shot > the first cop he met, we can get rid of pigs in no time, since there are so many more of us than there are of them, and take our planet back! I totally agree! > No, Ram doing ClassicCmp'ing on company time is not a sin, it's a very commendable act. Stealing corporate time and giving it to Worthy Causes For The > People is noble and valiant. > > The problem is why is Ram using the corporate mail account?? Ram, install 4.3BSD-Quasijarus on your VAX (you have a VAX, don't you?), get a 56K leased > line for it, and E-mail from that! Friday's are really slow and for a pencil pusher like me, its extremely slow ;-) I reality, I usually send me personal emails (mailing lists, etc) to my corporate account as it is eaiser to deal with. Not really a sin here as they are very cool about it. And for reading classiccmp during working hours, it helps during the extremely LARGE compilation times (close to two hours) if have. Compiling our application takes a LONG time. Beats twiddling my thumbs. I don't have a VAX, but I have been meaning to finish up my standalone transputer workstation one of these days. Has access to the net, mail, X, and the like (through Helios). One of these days.. :-( Cheers, Ram PS: Forgive the .sig!!!! (c) 2005 OpenLink Financial Copyright in this message and any attachments remains with us. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. If this message is not intended for you it must not be read, copied or used by you or disclosed to anyone else. Please advise the sender immediately if you have received this message in error. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Open Link Financial, Inc. for any loss or damage in any way arising from its use.

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by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> wrote: > If you're limiting yourself to your > VAXen and the like, the time is going to come when you won't be able to get > Hard Drives to replace dead ones. We'll build new ones with Classic interfaces. (We = Interplanetary Internationale.) MS

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by RMeenaks＠OLF.COM

It is kind of funny it adds that .sig. Does contradicts what I was posting ;-) No apologies needed. Sometimes I forget that it adds it there. The problem is I have to scroll down several pages to read a one or two line comment. It bites sometimes, especially when I am supposed to be doing REAL work instead of reading classiccmp :-) Cheers, Ram (c) 2005 OpenLink Financial Copyright in this message and any attachments remains with us. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. If this message is not intended for you it must not be read, copied or used by you or disclosed to anyone else. Please advise the sender immediately if you have received this message in error. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Open Link Financial, Inc. for any loss or damage in any way arising from its use.

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What the heck is XP? (not the Microsoft kind)

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/28/05 11:32:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca writes: XP -microsoft -windows -"extreme programming" I took this a bit farther and searched for: +XP -microsoft -windows -"extreme programming" +tektronix -phaser and found this page which talks about the Tek XP term configuration. _http://www.mi.infn.it/xterm/tekconfig.html_ (http://www.mi.infn.it/xterm/tekconfig.html) Paxton Astoria, OR

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by tomj＠wps.com

Sorry Ram, I didn't mean to criticise you; I realize that the .sig on your email-from-work is mandatory. I merely found it amusing, is all. I agree 100% with you, there's too much bloat in list mail. It's only a couple of keystrokes(*) to remove extraneous text, and it makes intent clearer when the original one or two lines is above (or below) instead of 100. (*) such as d} in vi, my classic (sic) text editor :-) Tom Jennings <tomj(a)wps.com> PS: } isn't classic vi motion, I think it's a vim extention.

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Question about Sharp PC4500 and IBM basic

by nbrowning＠cjryouth.org

This is in response to a message dated Sat Oct 19 12:32:00 2002 that I found online. I have a Sharp PC4500 but I don't have a boot disk for it. What can I do to make a boot disk for it? It seems to be working, it powers up but it wants a boot disk. Any help would be appreciated. Nathan Browning

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by RMeenaks＠OLF.COM

Can you please limit the quoting! There really isnt any need to quote the WHOLE thing.. Thanks, Ram (c) 2005 OpenLink Financial Copyright in this message and any attachments remains with us. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. If this message is not intended for you it must not be read, copied or used by you or disclosed to anyone else. Please advise the sender immediately if you have received this message in error. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Open Link Financial, Inc. for any loss or damage in any way arising from its use.

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What the heck is XP? (not the Microsoft kind)

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

I think that you may be looking at the boot code for Tektronix X terminals. Don't delete it -- I have a nice old Tektronix XP14 terminal that powers up and self-tests, but I can't find the code to make it run X windows. That code is loaded from a server with tftp (could be a Mac or linux box) Tektronix sold their code to NCD and now NCD in closing shop. Here is some info on file names, etc: http://www.itd.bnl.gov/xterminal/tek_bfile_details.html -Rob -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jules Richardson Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:03 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: What the heck is XP? (not the Microsoft kind) Anyone heard of something called XP which is X Windows related? I just found a bunch of stuff lurking under an 'XP' directory on this Tektronix and it's taking up quite a bit of disk space. (I can't think of a good way of googling without getting swamped with MS stuff) Looks to be some multi-platform *something* as there are directories for the xd88, sun3, sun4 and Ultrix under there. Nothing that gives away what it actually does though. Just trying to decide whether to move it or kill it outright (I've got it backed up within the hard drive image). Kinda curious as to what it's supposed to do though. ta Jules

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Many things

by RMeenaks＠OLF.COM

Guys, That stupid corporate .sig is NOT my sig. It is automatically added by the mail server since I am responding via my work email address. I wish there was a way to remove it, but I can't... Ram (c) 2005 OpenLink Financial Copyright in this message and any attachments remains with us. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. If this message is not intended for you it must not be read, copied or used by you or disclosed to anyone else. Please advise the sender immediately if you have received this message in error. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Open Link Financial, Inc. for any loss or damage in any way arising from its use.

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Many things

by jingber＠ix.netcom.com

Rather arrogant comming from someone with a full-page disclaimer. It's also rather arrogant when your claim exclusive copyright on the body of the message when it clearly contains quoted text from a 3rd party. How exactly did this become your "property"? Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Ram Meenakshisundaram <RMeenaks(a)olf.com> Sent: Jan 28, 2005 11:09 AM To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: RE: Many things Can you please limit the quoting! There really isnt any need to quote the WHOLE thing.. Thanks, Ram (c) 2005 OpenLink Financial Copyright in this message and any attachments remains with us. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. If this message is not intended for you it must not be read, copied or used by you or disclosed to anyone else. Please advise the sender immediately if you have received this message in error. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Open Link Financial, Inc. for any loss or damage in any way arising from its use.

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What the heck is XP? (not the Microsoft kind)

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Anyone heard of something called XP which is X Windows related? I just found a bunch of stuff lurking under an 'XP' directory on this Tektronix and it's taking up quite a bit of disk space. (I can't think of a good way of googling without getting swamped with MS stuff) Looks to be some multi-platform *something* as there are directories for the xd88, sun3, sun4 and Ultrix under there. Nothing that gives away what it actually does though. Just trying to decide whether to move it or kill it outright (I've got it backed up within the hard drive image). Kinda curious as to what it's supposed to do though. ta Jules

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OT: Microfiche scanner suggestions ?

by aek＠spies.com

> Can anyone offer me any suggestions at all about selecting a microfiche scanner? I will have a reconditioned Mekel available in about two months for around $15k This is a fraction of the new price for these units.

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OT: Microfiche scanner suggestions ?

by aek＠robot.net

> Can anyone offer me any suggestions at all about selecting a microfiche scanner? I will have a reconditioned Mekel available in about two months for around $15k This is a fraction of the new price for these units.

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Many things

by RMeenaks＠OLF.COM

Actually its our stupid firewall. It automatically adds that .sig and I cant take it out either..... Ram -----Original Message----- From: John Foust [mailto:jfoust@threedee.com] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 2:19 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Many things At 01:09 PM 1/28/2005, Ram Meenakshisundaram wrote: >Can you please limit the quoting! There really isnt any need to quote >the WHOLE thing.. Wow. Irony abounds. 17 line .sig? :-) - John (c) 2005 OpenLink Financial Copyright in this message and any attachments remains with us. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. If this message is not intended for you it must not be read, copied or used by you or disclosed to anyone else. Please advise the sender immediately if you have received this message in error. Although this message and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Open Link Financial, Inc. for any loss or damage in any way arising from its use.

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ClassicCmp Archives

by marvin＠rain.org

Hi Jay, I emailed you a while ago, and never got a response so I am just reposting it here. I've found most of the posts to ClassicCmp going back to when I joined in 1997 a couple of months (I think) after the list was started. If you need them, I can send them to you. There are some holes but not many except for when I lost my email later last year. They run somewhere around 600 MB. Marvin > 5) Many chunks of the archives have been located on the drive. However, I am > sure there are holes of missing posts. This really torques me off. Someone > who did list maintenance before me had moved the defacto copy of the list > archives into a different spot on the server and I didn't realize they were > in an area I routinely mess up and later clean up. It's possible I deleted > them, but in any case I can't find them. Again, many of them have been > located but not all. After I finish the server drive migration, I will be > regenning all the html archives from scratch - going against the original > mbox files. If there's any posts in the archives that you want me to remove > (from time to time someone posts their home address by mistake, etc etc.) > now is the time to let me know and I'll clean the archives. After the > archives are completely reassembled, you can be damn sure I will be copying > them to DVD and sticking a copy in my vault off-site.

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Possible List Downtime

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

There is a chance (homelife schedule permitting) that I will be moving the drives from the temp classiccmp server to the new (old) classiccmp server this weekend. If I do get around to it, it would be during the day - slightly more likely sunday than saturday. Then again, I may not get to it at all this weekend. We'll see. Wanted to give a heads up in any case. When I do this, the list will be down for an hour or so if all goes well. If it doesn't go well.... could be much longer :) Bear in mind a few things: 1) There WILL be bumps. There is at least 63 separate software packages that are installed & configured on the server that provides the classiccmp services. You can bet that I (and YOU) will find snags and things will be broken for a bit (days or weeks afterwards, depending on urgency and my ability to fix). Some of the packages have been tested thoroughly, some of them I simply cant really test until they go live. You can expect some problems. 2) When I moved subscriber lists from the old server to the new server a few weeks ago, there is one setting that mailman doesn't migrate with subscriber export/import - the "no mail" flag that many of you use. So if you subscribe to both lists (silly) or have your account temporarily set to "no mail" you'll start getting mail to both until you go back and set your no mail flag. I'm not going through 1000 accounts individually by hand to preserve the nomail flag. 3) Mailman also doesn't transfer passwords it would appear. I will try to remember to force mailman to send out a password reminder after the upgrade, so hopefully you'll get your mailman password sent via email. I may forget to do this, I'm a forgetfull guy. Give me a shout if you get stuck. 4) There are a lot of classic computer related websites that I host on the classiccmp server for people at no charge. It is entirely likely that during this time period of being "half on one server, half on another"... that files & content you put on your website went to the wrong server and you'd notice it after the switch. If so, give me a shout and I'll get the content fixed for you. If the files are on one of the two servers, it's a lot faster for me to copy them than for you to reupload them. The "old" drive will be put up in a different machine on the same network, so I will be able to copy stuff easily that got stranded. Keep your shirt on. See #1 above. 5) Many chunks of the archives have been located on the drive. However, I am sure there are holes of missing posts. This really torques me off. Someone who did list maintenance before me had moved the defacto copy of the list archives into a different spot on the server and I didn't realize they were in an area I routinely mess up and later clean up. It's possible I deleted them, but in any case I can't find them. Again, many of them have been located but not all. After I finish the server drive migration, I will be regenning all the html archives from scratch - going against the original mbox files. If there's any posts in the archives that you want me to remove (from time to time someone posts their home address by mistake, etc etc.) now is the time to let me know and I'll clean the archives. After the archives are completely reassembled, you can be damn sure I will be copying them to DVD and sticking a copy in my vault off-site. 6) The newer version of mailman has a pretty much revamped logic for handling bounces and automatic subscription disables due to bounces. It will be interesting to see how that part works. Regards, Jay West

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HP7200A, HP7210A Plotter documentation needed

by wacarder＠usit.net

Does anyone on the list have any documentation on the HP7200A or HP7210A plotter? I am getting an HP7210A plotter today, but I don't have any documentation on it. It looks exactly like the 7200A, but it appears to have a few more knobs or controls on it, based on the photographs I've seen. I'll know more when I actually get my hands on it (tonight). These plotters date from the early 1970s. We had an HP7200A at Wofford College in the 1970s. Ours was mapped to KB7: and we had numerous plotting programs written in BASIC-PLUS under RSTS/E on a PDP-11/40. I have copies of all the programs that we had for interacting with the plotter. I just don't have any info on hooking it up to the computer. I'm planning on interfacing it to my PDP-11/40 via either a 20mA or an EIA DZ11 port. Thanks in advance for any insight or info that anyone can provide. Ashley

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Problem 1 has occured ;)

by jwest＠huey.classiccmp.org

Hummm I seem to have misplaced the riser card for the server. Scrounging now...

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IBM 029 card punch

by cc＠corti-net.de

Hi, I have here three IBM 029 card punches, two model A and one model C (with interpreter) including documentation. So far so good. I do have an additional 029 (I *think*) without covers which I would like to restore. The problem is that it is "a bit" different from the other three punches and I would like to know what model this is and if anyone has the maintenance manual for it. The mechanical part is almost the same as in the A and C models, but the keyboard has two lights, one at each side. I know that the light on the left side is an indicator for the verifier, but the one on the right side is unknown to me. It is a printing punch and has two program drums each with 12 star wheel contacts (instead of the usual 8 on the front drum). Now comes the electrical part: It is very different from the other three punches. It has more SMS cards (about 12, not including the cable cards) and many more wire relays (no reed relays and no electronic components except for some diodes, resistors and capacitors). But the most interesting feature of this unit is the "I/O" port on the rear left side. Does this ring a bell to anyone? Thanks, Christian

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M8300 repair: DEC8235 wanted

by waisun.chia＠hp.com

I recently acquired a M8300 with an IC missing. Upon investigation of the manuals and schematics, I determined it is a DEC8235. Anybody has a/some DEC8235 to spare? Are there any modern equivalents? /wai-sun

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My response: [LONGISH] Beware: dealings with Bert Thomas

by David.Kane＠aph.gov.au

> Now that that is done, lets take any further reparte's off-list. > > Regards, > > Jay West I would have to say "handled very stylishly" (clap clap clap clap clap) Davud

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My response: [LONGISH] Beware: dealings with Bert Thomas

by bert＠brothom.nl

Hi all, Here's my response: In short: Fred can simply get his stuff if he pays me the money back that I payed for him in advance (and drops his other claims). I never had any other intends. Long story: I indeed wanted to do Fred a favor back and collected the stuff for him. I try to do CS at a local university AND try to run 2 companies and try to keep customers happy and in between try to spend some time playing with my old stuff. Obviously my hobbies have the lowest priority. As I am currently very busy and can only borrow the van from time to time I decided to drop the stuff at home, which is basically halveway between the seller and Freds apartment. I admit that I should have notified Fred that I collected the stuff. Last saterday Fred called me and we had a long en kind conversation. I always enjoyed talking with Fred, as he has a lot to tell. At the end of the conversation Fred started about the stuff I collected and what his plans where for it. I said that I would like to keep some stuff of it, as Freds main reasons for buying the stuff was obtaining the Minc hardware. At least, that is what he told me. Fred reacted very excited that it was HIS stuff. I didn't expect such an excited answer and responded with "hey, I payed for it you know". If it isn't obvious, my only intend saying that was that he can have some respect for me, as I'm not his personell he can yell at. However, that got him totally aggrivated for some reason and he started threading me that he was about to say bad things about me on this list and a lot of other stuff that I had no answer to. I don't like being spoken at in that way, especially not from someone I just did a favor. So if that is what he wants to do, its his decision and he should do so. I see people on this list as very intelligent people and I assume that each of you can decide for yourself what my character is. After this weird end of the conversation on the phone, Fred send me an invoice for EUR 700,- ex VAT for repairing my PDP11 and a letter demanding the stuff. I have no problem giving Fred his stuff, but of course he simply has to pay me the money back that I payed for the stuff in advance. I do not want to pay Fred for the time spent working on my PDP11, as that was a favor for which I intended to return him this other favor. If I had known that in advance, I wouldn't have contacted Fred in the first place. When I look back on it now, I feel that Fred intentionally invited me to repair my computer, only to be able to "demand" a favor in return, as he knew I can borrow my brothers van from time to time. There is nothing wrong with that as far as I am concerned. Fred and I did more favors to each other in the past. However, I don't understand his anger and disrespect. Peace to everyone. Kind regards, Bert

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DEC Alpha available

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

The local surplus place has an Alpha available. I know nothing of these machines. It is in a black 4U rackmount case. Front panel door opens to reveal a 3.5 floppy, removable hard drive (which has been removed and disappeared), and a CD drive. Inside the machine are two scsi cards, and a few others I didn't look closely at. There's 256M of ram (all big 32m modules). If anyone is interested, let me know, and let me know what you want me to look for, and I'll go back and look at it closer. If you want it, I'll put you in touch with the guy at the store. They typically let this kind of thing go cheap. Jay

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Data I/O manual sought

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I don't see one in the dataIO section on bitsavers... anyone have a pdf of the logicpak manual? Thanks! Jay

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HP loader rom chips

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Jameco claims to have real Signetics 82S129's in (not substituted parts). These are for the HP 21MX loader roms. They are quoting me $9.95 each for qty 1-10. Anyone know of a better source, or want to go in with me on this? I will probably get about 10. Equivalent parts (that my 29B can program): Monolithic Memories 6301 Harris 7611 Texas Instruments 24S10 Applied Micro Devices 27S21 So maybe someone knows of a source for the above parts that is cheaper. Jay

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IBM Record Unit....

by aek＠spies.com

I have never heard of these devices being called "Record Unit" I have seen them called "Unit Record" try http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/cardProc for information on IBM card processing equipment.

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IBM Record Unit Machines

by ron.hudson＠sbcglobal.net

What were some interesing record unit machines from IBM Card punches: Which IBM card punch had a dial on the upper part of the keyboard? I used one, but I forget what the dial was for. Card Sorters: What is the machine that read card and could add information and print reports, usually programmed with a patch panel? Were there any machines that read cards and wrote to Mag tape? Is there a collection of Information on the Internet about these beasts?

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IBM Record Unit....

by ron.hudson＠sbcglobal.net

I had a passing though of writing emulators for the machines found in an old record unit shop, Card Punches - would be something like an editor. Sorters, Collators?, and all the other machines, with text files as card-decks. I have the link on Wikipeadea, it also just gives a gloss overview. I am not finding the detail needed. Never mind, it wasn't important. I'll go on to other things.

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[LONGISH] Beware: dealings with Bert Thomas

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi One thing to consider by both parties is that when communicating over the phone, a lot of one's ability to convey the meaning of what is said is lost. Much of our communications is visual. We watch reactions as we talk. Most people think that they can communicate properly over the phone. It is a big mistake. I have had several times when I'd been misunderstood. It is still interesting that both sides see the interaction from a different perspective. They both need to realize that it was the phone that caused the misunderstanding. It would be truly incorrect for either to judge the other by the responses over the phone. Of course, even more of communications is lost in the form of email. I'm not saying that either side was wrong or right, only that one should be careful when emotions get involved over the phone. They are rarely interpreted correctly, by the other party. By the time they realize that there was a problem, a lot of damage has been done between them. Just my opinions Dwight >From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com> > >On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > >> All, >> >> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Jay West wrote: >> >> > Fred wrote... >> >> ... >> > >> > Oh man! That just bytes. >> > >> > Thanks for letting us know. Bert is on the list I believe, so maybe he has a >> > response/explanation. >> >> This is not the right place for a dicussion of this topic; my >> message was a read-only object of class 'warning'. I will not >> be discussing any of it, in private or in public, as have a >> judicial system for that in place. >> >> In other words... thread closed, judges will decide. > >Fred, > >It's already public. You made it so. I think the simple solution here is >for you to arrive at Bert's place with a truck and money and settle it >quickly and easily. Bert indicates he is ready to hand it over and is on >record saying so. If he doesn't then he'd really be in trouble. > >I did notice in Bert's reply he cc'd Erik Brens, who has a bad reputation >with more than a few folks here (myself included), and that is rather >suspect. > >-- > >Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > >[ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] >[ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] > >

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Altair8800 'kit' - can you identify this stuff?

by william.layer＠comcast.net

Thanks for the info so far.. here are the ugly details on the 'kit'.. Dave wrote: > Btw - if you have an unassembled 8800 - it might be a good idea to keep it that way - I > would think unassembled ones would be more rare than assembled ones. Sorry if I was confusing on this.. I was half-joking when I said 'kit form'; the unit wasn't so much *unassembled* as *disassembled* :) The unit is quite an interesting hodgepodge at the moment.. Here is a better description of what I have: Original 8800 Chassis, with early faceplate - dang I love that old 70's computer typeface! A ding in the white topcover, but overall very nice shape. Display / Control board (rev 1) removed, and showing evidence of a burnout in the lower left, 7400 chip I think. Someone has socketed every chip on the board, with a collection of random colorful sockets. The board shows some small rework with kynar, to fix lost pads/traces on one socket pattern. Needs a couple of switches replaced. Marked "3421K" in black Sharpie. 8080 CPU card (rev 1) removed and showing signs of modification (a mystery chip has been added with glue & kynar), and CPU is missing. Marked "3423K" in black Sharpie. Motherboard replaced with a Processor Tech (?) MB-1 Mainboard - 16 slots. The pullup/pulldown resistors look like they were installed by a small child, and not a gifted one. I will rework this area. Power supply replaced with beefy 8800B power supply, obviously to accomodate all that extra hardware that the motherboard will hold. Large fan is also added, without a grille. Watch your #&!$@ fingers, kid! A card marked "MCT R30 ASSY 105510" (seems like serial or parallel I/O) A card marked "SD Systems VersaFloppy II" (must be the disk controller) A card marked "SD Systems Expandoram II" (must be the memory card, and it's fully populated. No idea what the capacity is) A card marked "SD Systems SBC-200" (has a Z-80A cpu, and what I think is the matching Z-80 buss driver chip. Has 4 ROM sockets, two of which are populated. One is clearly marked 'EDO BIOS'. Also has edge connectors marked serial & parallel I/O. Seems like a multifunction card; CPU, ROM & I/O) A card marked "Signum Systems MICE-48" with a long ribbon cable leading to an emulator probe, bearing an EPROM chip. (It's clearly an In-Circuit Emulator device, my guess is that it was emulating an 8048 or similar) A card marked "Vector 8800V", which is a complete and utter disaster of Kynar and flying components. I wouldn't let this thing near a running system. (seems like a generic breadboard card, which has been built into some form of custom hardware, has a large device marked "Analog Devices 940", and about 12 other chips, plus a pile of discete components) A large dual-floppy drive chassis, blue in color, with 8" drives. Seems like generic Intel hardware of the mid-70's. No obvious markings. A collection of 8" disks, some clearly CP/M based. I'm quite certain that in light of the Z80 card, that this machine was running CP/M until it was taken (or took itself) out of service. A small board marked "John Bell Engineering Phoneme Synthesizer" with a DIP connector, wall-wart power supply, and a few chips including a Votrax SC-01 chip. (Ok, it's clearly a speech synth. Apparently, this thing could talk at one point..) Ok - I think that's pretty much all of it. If anyone can verify / correct me on identification, or provide other info, it would be greatly appreciated. Some of this stuff (like the ICE hardware) might be up for trade. Thanks for all of your time, Bill

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Altair8800 'kit' - can you identify this stuff?

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "William Layer" <william.layer(a)comcast.net> ---snip--- > >Display / Control board (rev 1) removed, and showing evidence of a burnout in the lower left, 7400 chip I think. Someone has socketed every chip on the board, with a collection of random colorful sockets. The board shows some small rework with kynar, to fix lost pads/traces on one socket pattern. Needs a couple of switches replaced. Marked "3421K" in black Sharpie. Get a schematic and start plaing with it. Like the IMSAI panel, it uses the processor to actually generate the addresses and fetching from the bus. You should check for shorts with an ohm meter before powering up. After powering up, check for anything that is hot. These old TTL parts would run slightly warm but should not be hot. Be ready to remove the power quickly in case of smoke. With power applied, even FR4 will burn if sustained with an electrical arc. There is a schematic and layout on that CD ROM that has many of the schematics and such ( I've seen but don't have it my self ). > >8080 CPU card (rev 1) removed and showing signs of modification (a mystery chip has been added with glue & kynar), and CPU is missing. Marked "3423K" in black Sharpie. The extra chip is most likely to generate the correct status signals for the refresh of the dynamic RAM. The early boards were designed around static RAM systems and it wasn't until later that the status signals were added. The earlier DRAM boards had no standard way of providing these signals so there are several different ways this was done. ---snip--- > >A card marked "MCT R30 ASSY 105510" (seems like serial or parallel I/O) List major IC's? > >A card marked "SD Systems VersaFloppy II" (must be the disk controller) Will most likely only work with the Z80 processor board. The 8080 was a little on the slow side to handle the disk transfers. Most 8080 systems used a DMA interface for disk drives. I did look at some tricky software that I believe would have worked on a 8080 but it required transfering 4 bytes at a time. It has been some time since I looked at doing that so I'm not much help now. I think the main thing was that after the controller gave the status, you had something like 13 uSec to read the data or it was lost. > >A card marked "SD Systems Expandoram II" (must be the memory card, and it's fully populated. No idea what the capacity is) It depends on which chips are there. If it has the four banks of 16K chips, you have 64K. It could also be populated with 18K or 4K chips but that is unlikely as it came out just when the 16K chips were getting available. See my note above about the refresh signals. > >A card marked "SD Systems SBC-200" (has a Z-80A cpu, and what I think is the matching Z-80 buss driver chip. Has 4 ROM sockets, two of which are populated. One is clearly marked 'EDO BIOS'. Also has edge connectors marked serial & parallel I/O. Seems like a multifunction card; CPU, ROM & I/O) This is most likely the main processor that was used with the system for CP/M. > >A card marked "Signum Systems MICE-48" with a long ribbon cable leading to an emulator probe, bearing an EPROM chip. (It's clearly an In-Circuit Emulator device, my guess is that it was emulating an 8048 or similar) Most likely correct here. > >A card marked "Vector 8800V", which is a complete and utter disaster of Kynar and flying components. I wouldn't let this thing near a running system. (seems like a generic breadboard card, which has been built into some form of custom hardware, has a large device marked "Analog Devices 940", and about 12 other chips, plus a pile of discete components) I believe the 940 is an amplifier module but I'm not sure. It could be a voltage converter as well. They made many discrete circuit instrument amplifiers that had especially low offset inputs. I would get this was an analog board of some type. ---snip--- It looks like a good project. Later Dwight

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[LONGISH] Beware: dealings with Bert Thomas

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hi all, Today is a sad one, as I had to part with someone I considered a friend, a new collector, and recent addition to the CCtalk community. Bert had trouble with getting his PDP-11/34 to work (as we have all been reading here), and, a while ago, I offered him to have a look at it. We got together, and I was able to fix the system. Took a while, but hey, that's OK. I did mention to him I just acquired a new system, and needed to have it moved to my place. To return my favor, Bert offered to move my system, as he had a van available, which makes it a lot easier than using my car. Great deal! The selling party and Bert were put in contact, so they could agree on a date and such. And that's the last thing I heard about it.. until I got curious, and contacted the seller if something had gone wrong.. I _am_ out of the area and country a lot, so could have missed something. Nope, everything went as planned, the seller replied - Bert had picked up the system that saturday morning, and all was well. He did mention that Bert said that since he picked up _and_ paid for the system, he considered it his, now. (The seller had not yet replied to my question about how to pay for the system- this is a bit different in Holland, as we usually just exchange bank account numbers here, and then just transfer the amount needed. Easy. So, I was waiting for him to reply with his account number. Rather, he did not reply, and when the pickup ocurred, he wanted cash. Even this is normally handled fine.. one pays the cash, and then gets reimbursed by whoever is supposed to actually receive the system.) Anyway... when I heard that, I tried to contact Bert, and eventually got a hold of him. And when asked about this, he indeed told me the above - as far as he was concerned, it was now HIS system. To make a much longer story short- I have taken legal action against him to get my system back, and the extra (legal and other) fees and costs reimbursed for. Sadly, Bert decided to not accept his being wrong, so this will be a full case of fraud in Dutch court. Your mileage etc etc, but I'd like everyone to take extreme caution when dealing with Bert, as his definition of "mine" and "yours", and the being right or wrong, might very well be different from what you consider such. This surely was the case for me. With kindest regards, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://VAXlab.pdp11.nl/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Mountain View, CA, USA

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Relay computers

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

> Imagine implementing this trivial logic: > y1 = a & b; > y2 = a & c; one relay

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Apple, Commodore, CP/M, Sun, misc. gear needs new home

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

>>CP/M >> x1 Northstar S-100 CP/M chassis, expansion cards, floppies der Mouse then said: >The major problem is I'm in Canada - and that's the reason I'm writing >to the list: is there anyone who'd be willing to field the machine and >reship it to me in Montreal? Of course, I'd pay for the shipping >involved, and add in an amount (to be negotiated off-list) to Devin for >the machine. I would dearly love to get the NorthStar system (sentimental reasons)... I emailed the O.P. (I received the list from a friend a couple of days before it showed up on cctalk), to ask if I could talk him into shipping to Canada (I would of course pay costs), and did not receive a response - I did note that his posting to cctalk explicitaly stated that he might be willing to ship another item "within the US only" which suggests that he may have received and considered my request.... If anyone would be willing to help us poor Canucks retrieve some of this equipment, I would be interested in participating - I am located near Ottawa, which is close enough to der Mouse that I can visit him on a weekend ... If we can get the material to either of our locations, it would be greatly appreciated! ... Can anyone help? Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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computer junks for shipping cost (mostly PC related)

by vax9000＠gmail.com

Well, I received Chad Fernandez' box of pc leftovers. After taking out what I need and adding in what I don't, here is the stuff that is free to go. (ship from ohio) http://geocities.com/mscpscsi/PHOTOS/dscn3959.jpg --pentium 133, IBM 6x86MX PR300 --IBM PCDOS7, windows 3.1, Caldera DRDOS 7.02 --around 15 pieces of HP DVD+R bland disks (my DVDRW has trouble to write this brand, thus distroyed 10 of the 25 pack, but your drive might not) --a point and shot APS camera ($3 from yardsale) --CNet 10M/100M hub (the small fan inside became noisy, you might replace it. looks like the CPU fans of the 486 era) --all kinds of fans, 6 of them (some look like NOS) --a pile of floppy cables --11Mbps wireless lan PCMCIA card --AUI to RJ45 converter (you need this for your vax) --a xilinx student edition of fundation 1.3 --PC bay covers, slot covers, drive rails. --an EPSON MX-100 III printer (I bought it with $3 to print the tango/protel DOS version schmatics) Let me know if you are interested. I am willing to break the pile into two. One is the printer, the other is the rest. I am also willing to trash the rails, slot covers, bay covers, floppy cables, the xilinx, to drop the weight. The rest must go as a whole. Thank you. I will use UPS ground or fedex ground. If no one takes them, their destination is miserable. vax, 9000

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Old Pertec drive on eBay

by ebay_jec1659az＠w3az.net

Greetings, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5158846219 Thanks to John Lawson, for pointing this item out. Is anyone else on the list interested in this? I have a Prime Computer inc. - Model 300 that has been out of service for lack of a reliable hard-disk, it looks like this drive will work nicely. I have contacted the seller about pickup/delivery issues. Thanks, James.

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Is this an 1802 development system?

by wmaddox＠pacbell.net

RCA-labelled microcomputer labelled "COSMAC" Screen and keyboard: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=5158915090… Dual floppy drives: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=5158914991… --Bill

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John McCance / DEC Collection

by hugh＠openbsd.org

Dear vax enthusiasts, Some time ago John McCance donated a delqa card to me, and I responded with a thank you letter. Sadly, last week I received an email from John's sister, to inform me that John had died of a heart attack while helping his landlady deal with a basement flooded by the remains of Hurricane Charlie. She'd found my letter while going through his things. As John was an occasional participant on these lists I felt you should be informed of his passing, but there is a second reason for this posting. His family isn't sure how to handle the disposition of his collection of older computer hardware and documentation. >From the inventory they've compiled there appear to be several each of vt320 and vt420s, a large number of keyboards, a vax 4000 300, a vaxstation 4000, a strongbox of vms licenses, and many manuals, cdroms, etc. I also understand from my correspondence with John that there is a qbus scsi card of some sort, but this isn't a treasure hunt. The family would like to put any money the collection is worth towards his final expenses, or at least save hardware that John cared about from the dump. I am in Vancouver, but if one or more of you is near Cambridge, Ohio, and can commit to taking the bulk of the collection, you may contact me to work out specifics and put you in touch with the family. /Hugh

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UTek (V) filesystems and boot blocks

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Does anyone happen to know if UTek V's filesystem was compatible with anybody else's (hint: one that I might have a chance of reading with Linux, which probably limits me to sysv to be honest) Also does anyone happen to know the partition table / boot block layout? I'm not quite sure when UTek V sprang into being, but maybe it uses the same filesystem and boot block as earlier versions of UTek (which some of you are likely to have running on various Tek equipment) I'm going to try powering up my Tek XD88 tomorrow (it's currently warming up having been stored in the loft) and I'll take another disk image from the hard drive then - it'd be quite nice if I could mount the image from within Linux to have a proper look around the disk though (I recall Tek's shell being a little on the strange side) cheers Jules

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Back on the list, with a request for help

by william.layer＠comcast.net

Hellos, I was on this list in the later 90's, but had since lost my link. Good to see you all, and hello to the new(er) folks. I'm trying to repair an Altair 8800 that came to me in 'kit form'. I'm missing the original 256 Byte memory board, and several chips have been robbed from the chassis, including the 8080 CPU. This repair will take a while, but I have two main concerns: 1) The control & display board has some missing chips and evidence of a burn-out in the far lower left corner. I'd like to know if there is a way to test the board for function prior to installation, as the installation includes some 70 or so wires. I'd rather not install this board only to learn that there was damage to the logic, that I failed to notice & repair. Also, can anyone supply me with an original Altair 256Byte memory board? 2) I need an 8080 CPU for this machine; can someone supply me with one? Would be cool to have the original style ceramic/gold chip, but anything that will actually work is good. Is it possible to drop an 8080A into the Altair CPU board and remain compatible to the original 8080? I have an 8080A in an unused box. I have good material to trade for these items, if available; let me know what you need / want. If you have any information, please send it to the list. Thanks, Bill

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HP 21MX E-series front panel keyboards

by peterbrown10＠hotmail.com

Thanks Glen, Jay and Bob, I think that I now understand what's going on. The system that the keyboard comes from is an E series machine but all of the cards have been removed - it is quite possible that it at some time had additional booster microcode boards so that would expain the extra front panel cable. What sort of microcode board would require direct access to the keyboard? Bob - thanks for the kind offer of the 2113 chassis. I currently have a couple of full size 2113's in almost working condition (thanks for your continuing help on that one) my hope was that I could get a smaller system working as well - hence the need for the short keyboard. Glen - the document that you linked shows the problem quite well. What I need is the PCA 5060-8343 what I have is PCA 5061-1343. The metal work changes to convert a long front panel to a short one look to be fairly minimal and are probably within my capability (injury estimate: 2 bruised knuckles, a gash and some sort of deep graze) I note from the circuit diagrams that the keyboards are basically the same with the larger PCA having some addtional bi-directional buffering to drive the additional keyboard outputs. I thought that I might be able to saw down the keyboard PCA and discard the extra buffering bits but they seem fairly well integrated into the rest of the PCA. Does anyone have a spare 5060-8343 that they might be convinced to part with? or failing that a whole front panel assembly for a 2105? Thanks to all Peter Brown

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More auction goodies

by tponsford＠theriver.com

Hi Folks, Well, today's auction haul includes: A Dec MV 3800 w/qbus scsi card (he-he) An Alpha 1000 And!! A functioning Tektronix 4051 Graphics system w/Data Communication Interface. (circa 1976) it also came with the RS232 Printer interface and the following documentation: 4051 Graphic Systems Operation Manual Plot 50 Introduction to Programming in Basic 4051 Graphic System Reference Reference Guide to 4051 Basic 4050 Series Basic Reference Guide amd 4051 Option 10 RS232 Printer Interface guide More information on this system can be found here: http://www.atariarchives.org/bcc2/showpage.php?page=282 What is really wierd is that I wrote some programs in Basic for this machine in 1977 using some of the built-in vector graphics routines, when I worked at the Defense Mapping Agency, now called the National GeoSpatial Intelligence Agency. I still have the tape cartridge (200K !!) when I loaded the tape... presto... instant retro memories. I even wrote some notes to myself!! ( Note to Homeland Security and to anyone else reading this email..It was NOT classified!!) Cheers Tom -- --- Please do not read this sig. If you have read this far, please unread back to the beginning.

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[LONGISH] Beware: dealings with Bert Thomas

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 27 2005, 0:10, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > Anyway... when I heard that, I tried to contact Bert, and eventually > got a hold of him. And when asked about this, he indeed told me the > above - as far as he was concerned, it was now HIS system. That really sucks. Has he no ethics? Morals? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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AMS EPROM programmer driver?

by cctech＠retro.co.za

Hi all I have an "AMS inc PROM PROGRAMMER COPYRIGHT 1983". It's an ISA card, with a whole bunch of TTL, 37 pin connector, ribbon cable to box with ZIF socket. I see that AMS is still around, and their web site mentions that they started out making EPROM programmers way back around 1983, but an email to them went unanswered. I need the software that originally went with this thing. Or if anybody has technical info (long shot). Can't be difficult to reverse-engineer, but it would take time that I'd prefer to spend elsewhere. Where I eventually want to go: I was thinking I could program this thing to apply vectors to a PAL to tell me what the equations in the PAL are (I'm intrigued by what's inside the macintosh PALs...) Wouter

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Available:A Compaq Deskpro 386/20e Manuals/Diskette In-Reply-To=

by lazychris2000＠gmail.com

To whom it may regard, I know this was posted in 2003, but I was wondering if it was still possible to get some information about the manuals/diskette's for the Deskpro 386/20e. I was wondering what shipping would be to zip code 17003 and if they were still available. Thanks for your time, Chris Morgan

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VT320 Terminal RS232 Receiver

by list＠saracom.com

Hello, I managed to feed -48VDC into the data receive pin of my VT320 at work. So of course the magic smoke came out. Which chip is the receiver chip? Thanks Max

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HP battery eliminator plugs

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I need some, time to make them. Want to be historically accurate, so... would anyone know exactly what AMP connector was used, or where there are pictures of lots of AMP connectors so I can identify the right one and order it? I'm hoping the connector is still made...no part number on it other than AMP Jay West

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Looking for 68010 CPU's

by CCTalk＠catcorner.org

I'm trying to locate 6 to 10 of these. 64 pin ceramic or plastic DIP. Anyone have a lead on these? Maybe I'm jst missing them at all the usual places. I'm located in the US (New Jersey). Thanks, Kelly

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Apple, Commodore, CP/M, Sun, misc. gear needs new home

by devin＠thecabal.org

I have a ton of classic and not-so-classic computers and accessories to find new homes for. Since I don't have the time or money to ship any of this, you need to be willing to pick up in the Seattle, WA area. Most of this stuff at least powered up the last time I was able to get to it, although there are likely some TLC issues on most or all of them that need to be attended to such as missing RAM or hard drives. One of the C-64s doesn't power up and a couple of the color NCD terminals don't have monitors or have monitors that are futzing, but all of the base units works. Some of this stuff I'm willing to let go for free, some of it I'd like to see at least $5 for. And there are a couple of items (the Auspex, the Sun Ultra 1 and disk pack, the Apple IIgs, the Cisco router) I would like to get a bit more than that from. Especially the Auspex and the Cisco router. Please e-mail me with what you're interested in, how much you'd be willing to pay, and what your schedule is like. I don't usually have any time during business hours to try to meet people places, unless it's at my home in Monroe on one of the days I'm working from home. Evenings and weekends are best bet if you're not willing to drive to Monroe. If I have to drive a load of equipment somewhere, I'm probably going to want to charge enough for it to make it worth my while. On with the list! CP/M x1 Northstar S-100 CP/M chassis, expansion cards, floppies Apple x1 Apple IIe system + accessories x1 Apple III system + accessories x1 Apple IIgs system + accessories x1 Mac 256 x1 PowerMac 7x00 system + accessories Commodore x1 Commodore printer x2 Commodore 64s + boxes of accessories x5 Commodore 1541 floppy drives Sun x3 Sun 3/60 pizzaboxes x2 Sun 3/80 pizzaboxes x2 Sun SPARCstation 2 pizzaboxes x1 Sun UltraSPARC 1 Creator 3D x1 Sun 6-disk external 68-pin SCSI disk pack, 6 18GB SCA drives Terminals x11 Wyse 30 dumb terminals x1 B&W 19" NCD X terminal x6 color NCD X terminals Routers, Network, Telco x1 Cisco 2516 router (48VDC telco power supply) x1 19" 1u serial/parallel print server x2 Fujitsu DSL modems x1 DirecTV DSL modem Specialty x1 Auspex NS 5500 (7' tall, 770 lbs!) This was a high-end server running a special form of SunOS 4.1 using Functional Multiprocessing (FMP). Auspex tells me it is the only one in private hands that hasn't been traded in or scrapped. True classic computing lovers only need apply. YOU MUST PICK UP THIS ITEM. I *cannot* transport it. Bring a big truck or van and suitable moving/tie-down equipment and padding. Misc. x1 ZIP SCSI external drive x1 HP parallel external CD burner Assorted A/V switchboxes Assorted TDMA cellphones + accessories -- Devin L. Ganger <devin(a)thecabal.org> "Aikido is based around the central precept of letting an attack take its natural course. You, of course, don't want to impede that natural flow by being in its way." -- overheard on the PyraMOO

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2.5" floppy -- from what gear?

by classiccmp＠crash.com

There's a 2.5" Panasonic floppy drive that's popped up on ePay today. What commercial gear shipped with 2.5" floppies? Ignoring the question of media, do these things have standard connections for the interface? --S. eBay item #5158689326 http://tinyurl.com/4abck

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Computer Products Inc analog data wide-range analog I/O -- free

by tomj＠wps.com

I will eventually post it to VCF website, but if anyone wants this it's FREE, you come get. I will NOT ship this item. It doesn't seem to have great value so it will eventually become landfill if no one claims it. It comes complete, in excellent condition, with manuals, schematics, programmers reference, cables, connectors, and even drivers for Data General NOVA machines (via thr 4300). It contains a 240 channel (two hundred forty!) analog input -- a big MUX. Some amplification. Nice power supply, nice card cage, lots of (probably Hg wetted) small-signal relays. Made in the mid 1980's. I find no google hits, and unfortunately the manufacturer name is too generic ("Computer Products Inc" yeah right). There's enough documentation to probably hook it up to anything. This is a rugged A/D subsystem that was wired to some smokestack in an oilfield, so it's not delicate (electrically). Not extraordinarily large or heavy, I'd estimate 50 lbs. http://wps.com/NOVA4/images/compprod1.jpg http://wps.com/NOVA4/images/compprod2.jpg

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Data General NOVA4 status

by tomj＠wps.com

Well things are moving along very nicely, I'm going to power up in the next few days. I've been picking on it each night (30 min - 2 hrs) and it's pretty much ready to begin power-up. I took another look at the DG LP2 that "faulted". With a dry paintbrush and vacuum cleaned out the dustbunnies and a few spiders, esp. attention to the photo-interruptor. Loaded paper into it, powered up. This time carriage zeroing worked, everything behaved including self-test printing out the charset onto greenbar. The "new" ribbons seem dried out and the print is yellow-gray (likely from Bakersfield heat) but I'll try another or WD40 the ink ribbon. Washed it all down, other than a couple of scuffs it looks like new. Completed all the rack wiring, made a terminal (console) cable up >from the stub that got cut off for transport. Fan filter, rack panel fillers all in. Took a look at the other chassis; one now empty (DG salesmammals talked customer into too many (profitable) racks, as Bruce suspected :-) one's got the big analog mux thing (more, next message), the remaining has the second tape drive (6023) and the 4300 expansion chassis. Which I might keep -- ask me in a month -- it contains a 16 in/16 out digital interface and I think a one-channel A/D and D/A. Nice. Big though, we're talking 14" rack space but it's mostly air (lots of slots). Laid out all the docs, culled more dupes, which Bruce will get (hi Bruce :-) Bought binders on the way into work today for never-used docs. My lab, quickly outfit last fall (moved out of my nice, purpose-built lab, which we turned into a rent-generating apartment -- when I get sad, I think of the income :-) has crappy power. I'm not sure it's got enough amps to run the CPU, tape and disk. Umm, we'll see, the obvious way.

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computer junks for shipping cost (mostly PC related)

by dvcorbin＠optonline.net

> --AUI to RJ45 converter (you need this for your vax) Not if my network is Thick Wire <grin>......

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Motorola MVME188 Documents

by phirkel＠engsoc.org

Hello! We just located an old Motorola VME "minicomputer" with an MVME188 single board computer. Being a real vintage computing enthusiast, I decided to try to get the thing working, running OpenBSD. However, before I can do that, I need to reprogram the NVRAM in it. I figure if there were some documentation on how to do this, and how to actually use the machine someone here might have it! Any information on the board, the MVME332/333/376/328 would be much appreciated. Cheers. Phil

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PC Adaptec SCSI BIOS format option?

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Stupid question, but does anyone know if the SCSI BIOS format utility on Adaptec 29160 or 2940 cards does bad block checking and reassignment? I've got a 1GB Fujitsu SCSI drive here that has one dodgy block right in the middle of the disk (according to the Linux badblocks util, which still has a couple of passes to run). Unfortunately I want the disk for my Tektronix, and I think bad block mapping under Linux is only done at the filesystem level, rather than Linux being able to low-level format the drive and map blocks out that way. I'm a bit wary of the Adaptec BIOS utility - hopefully it won't trash the drive... cheers Jules

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Sritek coprocessor boards

by mskavuru＠hotmail.com

hi, I designed many of the Sritek boards. You may contact me for some assistance. Madhav S. Kavuru, PhD (mskavuru(a)hotmail.com) _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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Data I/O progress... another question

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

My Data I/O 29B seems much more happy. All tin contacts cleaned with deoxit and all gold contacts cleaned with progold. Reseated all the chips (some were loose) and it appears to work fine for reading anyway. I'll check the power supply and calibration then try to program a chip. My current issue du jour is with Promlink. I can use version 3.4 just fine. I want to use version 6.10 though, MUCH easier on the eyes. However, any time I try 6.10 (with the high speed cpu patch), it chokes on "error sending Device Identification enable/disable command, is this a 29B unipak?" I thought my unipak was a model 2. It's not, it's just a straight unipak. I believe the device id feature is present on unipak 2 and 2b, and not present in just a unipak. From what I can tell, promlink v6.10 insists that the device identification feature be turned on. There is a setting to disable device ID checking in promlink, but either that setting doesn't work at all, or, it tries to send a disable device id command to the 29B, which won't understand it with a unipak, hence the error. Any known way around this? My 29B is firmware v 06 if that helps. Thanks! Jay West

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update: UTek (V) filesystems and boot blocks

by brad＠heeltoe.com

Jules Richardson wrote: > >Looking at the raw disk image I've saved, I've worked out where the >partition table is within the image (it's at offset 0x280). Most of the >stuff preceding it is zeros, except for a few flags and one place that >seems to be total size of the disk in blocks *including partition table >data*. If you have a saved image you should be able to try and mount it using a 'loopback' file system on linux. No doubt that's what you tried. did you try any of the bsd parition programs, liked parted? who knows. All I remember is that sometimes we had to boot from a floppy and humm... that ran some sort of fsck? it's been a while. We never replaced a hard disk or tried to fool with one. I'd guess I'd be suprised if the file system was anything other than system 5 ufs. As I recall those systems were pretty vanilla unix wise. I don't think they had any bsd-isms in them (but I may be wrong). it might be interesting to hack up a copy of an old sys v fsck and open the image in read-only mode. that way you could fool around with various offsets and try to find the super block. once you know where the partition starts, and assuming you did a block copy under unix (so the blocks are in the right order), you might be able to grab an old copy of "sash" or something like that and get it to read the file system. at least then you could "ls". just some random notions. In the end, I think I'd write a program to transform the image into a new image which had a modern partition map pointing to the super block and then get linux to mount it. easy for me to say :-) -brad

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Free LocalTalk RJ-11 connector

by lion＠apocalypse.org

I have an Apple LocalTalk RJ-11 Connector DIN-8 M1657Z/A with manual for anyone who wants it. I'm sure some Apple collectors out there could use one of these. US only please -- I don't want to pay more for international postage. Thanks, -- Michael

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The DFWCUG Historical CPU Preservation Society

by aek＠spies.com

Pat has lost interest in DEC collecting. I spoke to him when I was down there a few months ago. Here is an exerpt from a mail msg from him. Since however, one of us, The famous John R. Wisniewski, from DEC, has passed away, and due to the economics in the present time following 911, when everyone lost so much money and the purse strings have become very tight, we are not able to continue to seek grants or raise funds for a permanent place to store and show these, so at some time in the future, the entire collection will probably be liquidated. -- I will forward his current email adr through private email to Emanuel.

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DG haul, photos

by tomj＠wps.com

http://wps.com/NOVA4/ Not very good. Will take more when I get back to town. Not annotated yet.

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MOS 6507 Tech Spec's

by eric＠brouhaha.com

> Anyone have any old technical white papers on the MOS 6507, I know its > just a slight variant of the 6502, but I would like to look over the > original technical specifications for the chip, pinouts, opcodes, > instruction set, etc... There are no specific documents on it. It's in the MCS650x data sheet. It's just a 6502 die in a smaller 28-pin DIP package with not all of the pins bonded out. Specifically, A12 through A15, RDY, /NMI, SYNC, SO, three NC pins, and one Vss pin are not available. The pinout is: /RES 1 28 Ph2 out Vss 2 27 Ph0 in Ph1 out 3 26 R/W /IRQ 4 25 D0 Vcc 5 24 D1 A0 6 23 D2 A1 7 22 D3 A2 8 21 D4 A3 9 20 D5 A4 10 19 D6 A5 11 18 D7 A6 12 17 A11 A7 13 16 A10 A8 14 15 A9 I'm looking for the Synertek 6516 data sheet, and Synertek technical notes 34 and 40. The 6516 was to be a 16-bit extension of the 6500 family, years before the 65802/65816. Synertek published a data sheet in mid 1978, but the part was never put into production.

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Is this an 1802 development system?

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Tom Jennings" <tomj(a)wps.com> > >On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Eric Smith wrote: > >> By the way, those floppy drives must be incredibly valuable, since >> 8 1/4" drives are *very* rare. > >Actually, they will become very common; since the universe is >expanding, they'll become 8 1/4", 8 1/2", etc. Don't forget all >floppies were 5.25" once, and some on this list talk about smaller >drives, but we know they are all crazy. Unfortunately bit density >decreases with time due to bogon density increasing. > Hi It is a good thing that everything is also expanding along with it. Keeping the drive aligned would be a real pain. Dwight

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MOS 6507 Tech Spec's

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 25 2005, 9:11, Eric Smith wrote: > There are no specific documents on it. It's in the MCS650x data sheet. > It's just a 6502 die in a smaller 28-pin DIP package with not all of the > pins bonded out. Specifically, A12 through A15, RDY, /NMI, SYNC, SO, > three NC pins, and one Vss pin are not available. > > The pinout is: > > /RES 1 28 Ph2 out > Vss 2 27 Ph0 in > Ph1 out 3 26 R/W > /IRQ 4 25 D0 > Vcc 5 24 D1 > A0 6 23 D2 > A1 7 22 D3 > A2 8 21 D4 > A3 9 20 D5 > A4 10 19 D6 > A5 11 18 D7 > A6 12 17 A11 > A7 13 16 A10 > A8 14 15 A9 That's a 6506 (above). 6507 is: /RES 1 28 Ph2 out Vss 2 27 Ph0 in RDY 3 26 R/W Vcc 4 25 D0 A0 5 24 D1 A1 6 23 D2 A2 7 22 D3 A3 8 21 D4 A4 9 20 D5 A5 10 19 D6 A6 11 18 D7 A7 12 17 A12 A8 13 16 A11 A9 14 15 A10 Note Vcc is one pin lower (in number). 6507 has one more address line, no IRQ, and no Phi1, but it does have /RDY. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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How to sabotage a 5 1/5 floppy drive...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 25 2005, 11:40, Bill Sudbrink wrote: > without really trying: > > Part amusing story, part warning. [ ... ] > So I open up the drive, straighten out the latch and then, since I have it > apart anyway, decide to clean the head. I get a Q-Tip and some alcohol, > lift the pressure pad arm and clean the head. (Anybody spot the problem > yet?) Yes, because I did it once on a similar drive. I had to dismantle it to straighten the spring steel strip, and then re-align the upper head, IIRC (it was a double-sided drive). Quite a few drives are like that. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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MOS 6507 Tech Spec's

by cvendel＠att.net

Anyone have any old technical white papers on the MOS 6507, I know its just a slight variant of the 6502, but I would like to look over the original technical specifications for the chip, pinouts, opcodes, instruction set, etc... Thanks, Curt

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How to sabotage a 5 1/5 floppy drive...

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

without really trying: Part amusing story, part warning. I have my OSI C4P all buttoned up with the switcher supply tucked inside and I decide to fix another thing that has been bothering me for some time. OSI used MPI B51 floppy drives with most (all?) of their 5 1/4 inch systems. The B51 has an ejector spring that operates via a two step latch (mechanical latch, that is). The first step locks the spring when a diskette is inserted (so you can close the drive door), the second step releases the spring once the drive door is closed so that the diskette will be ejected when the door is opened. The latch alignment is finicky and this drive had the spring locked and stuck. So I open up the drive, straighten out the latch and then, since I have it apart anyway, decide to clean the head. I get a Q-Tip and some alcohol, lift the pressure pad arm and clean the head. (Anybody spot the problem yet?) I put everything back together and fire it up. Now the drive is flaky as heck. Read fails about 50% of the time. What did I break? I check to see if the track zero sensor moved. Nope, original paint spots are in place and uncracked. Did I, in fact, gunk up the head when I was cleaning it? I look with a strong light and magnifying glass. The head is smooth and clean. Did I pull some wire loose? Not that I can find. After fooling with it for a while, I notice that the click of the head load does not sound the same as before I took it apart. I look at the solenoid, everything seems OK. I troubleshoot this for several evenings. Finally, I go back to the head load investigation. I defeat the head unload rail with a wedge of paper (so that the head will be loaded whenever the drive door is closed). No help. Then, finally, I use a dental mirror to look at the head and pressure pad with a disk inserted. The pad is not in contact with the diskette surface! What the!?!?!? It turns out that the pressure pad arm is "hinged" not with a proper hinge but with a thin, somewhat springy, metal strip. There is also a proper coiled spring on top of the arm to provide more pressure but, when I lifted the pad arm, I flexed the "hinge" enough that the coil spring couldn't push the pad into contact with diskette surface. If you just look at it with the door open, everything looks fine. The pad arm seems to be firmly resting on the unload rail, ready to drop down onto the diskette when loaded. So, I disassembled the arm, gently flexed the "hinge" back to straight, reassembled and back in business. One of the oddest things I think I've ever had to work out. Maybe this is getting me ready to tackle my ASR33. Bill

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RTL Logic

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Most of these were designed such that a single output pullup resistor didn't use all of the sink of an output transistor. This means that two outputs tied together and would not draw too much current. DTL does the same thing and allows the wired AND. As I recall, with RTL, you only needed to apply power to one device if they were inverters since there was no other active logic, like flops. Dwight >From: "Steve Thatcher" <melamy(a)earthlink.net> > >I don't see how doing a wired-and is possible when RTL includes a pullup resistor on each output. You would get to a point where an individual output transistor would not be capable of sinking all the "low" current. > >You can get a basic idea of the logic families here... > >http://www.asic-world.com/digital/gates5.html > >best regards, Steve Thatcher > > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwight.elvey(a)amd.com> >Sent: Jan 7, 2005 12:22 PM >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: RE: RTL Logic > >Oops! > I forgot one thing. You can put several RTL outputs in >parallel as a wired AND. You can't do that with the >general CMOS or TTL. You'd need to look out for this. > Does anyone have a source for DTL parts. There are >a could I've been looking for. >Dwight > > >

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HP board no. 5061-6805?

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Hello everybody, once more I turn to the list in my quest for enlightenment... At the university's computer collection where I work, an HP board with the number in the subject turned up. It is a printed circuit board, about 7" wide x 5" deep with a 2x50 trace edge connector. The only visible parts are what looks like a few SMD capacitors; there are three black covers on the board, two of them like 1"x2" in plastic (neat the connector edge), the last one about 6"x3" and made from sheet metal (to the front edge). One of the smaller ones has a Static Discharge warning label stuck on it. There are two flat-but-heavy heat sinks bolted to the opposite side of the board, beneath the two smaller covers. One of the two black ejector handles on the front edge of the board says "512k RAM". I haven't found any useful information by googleing, only a few resellers. We would like to know what machine this part is for; I suppose this will make finding further information much easier. Thanks in advance, yours sincerely -- Arno Kletzander Stud. Hilfskraft Informatik Sammlung Erlangen www.iser.uni-erlangen.de GMX im TV ... Die Gedanken sind frei ... Schon gesehen? Jetzt Spot online ansehen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/tv-spot

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HP 21MX toggle-in programs?

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> > ---snip--- > >I can't believe the 21MX M or E user guide isn't online, but I don't see it >anywhere. You'll definitely need that book! > ---snip--- Hi Jay It seems like there is some manual on Al's site that describes the 2100 instructions. As I recall, there was nothing specifically for the 21MX, though. I entered a few instruction on my machine and they seemed to work. I also looked at some of the boot ROM's and the instructions match. I'd load the boot ROMs and then just inspect the code. I can't recall which manual it was without checking at home. Dwight

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Windows crashing, was Re: Bill Gates: Teen Heart-throb!

by cb＠mythtech.net

>>(I'm not being a troll, really, I don't care what machine you use or your >>reasons to or not to use it... I'm just poking fun at your claim that it >>isn't powerful enough) > >[1] I thought the definition of a troll was someone who pokes fun at a >person or people to get a 'rise' out of them, especially whilst making >advocacy claims that clearly aren't true... Ahh, but I wouldn't fit that definition, because I wasn't trying to get a rise out of you. I didn't expect a response. And how dare you say my claims aren't true. They have to be true... I mean the fact that I have no support AT ALL to back up my statement that there is no match to the Dual Proc G5 in the Windows world... well, you think I need PROOF?!? Selam didn't need proof to claim Linux caused the popular rise of the internet... proof be damned... I'm right because I say I'm right! :-) (note the smiley... the internet way to point out sarcasm, less you honestly think I'm being serious above) >And no -- the Mac Mini isn't serious enough for video work, and there are >some darned good PC platforms that are. 'Nuff said. Well, yeah, I can't actually argue there. Although I am planning to buy a Mac Mini for myself specifically to do A/V work... but that's because I'm poor, and a Mac Mini is a cheap upgrade from my G3 iMac that will let me bump up a notch in tools. Hey, wait, if I'm planning to use it, are you saying I'm not doing serious video work?!? I'll have you know, not ALL my videos are comedies... there are a few dramatic scenes of a serious nature in there... how dare you insult my work without seeing it (normally insults wait until AFTER they see it and can justify the comment in any number of ways... I ain't gonna win no inde fest) :-) (note the smiley again... although I am really hoping to get a Mac Mini to do better video work then I can with my current iMac) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Data I/O 29B help

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I've got a Data I/O 29b with Unipak2 that is on the fritz. I thought it was working, but it's not. It frequently reads chips right, then 60 seconds later reads different values with different checksums. It's sporadic. It never gives any failure messages (other than bad verify ram to device). It just doesn't get the right values sometimes. I'm not up on the internals/repair of this unit, nor do I have time at the moment and I need a working one ASAP. Would anyone on the list know a shop that does repair of these units? Or maybe be able to ship me a 29B and/or Unipak 2 so I can at least determine which major component is ba and get over this hump? Thanks for any thoughts/advice :| Jay West

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