- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by drb＠msu.edu

I'm always the last one to see this silly things, but in case lightning struck for once... A documentary about Arpanet, featuring some key names, including F.J. Corbato, and various BBN folks. http://preview.tinyurl.com/6jkh5a Google video and tinyurl, sure to annoy some, to whom apologies. De

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cpm handbook claimed

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

The CP/M handbook has been claimed. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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can anyone help jog my mmeory of an old vax model?

by dgahling＠hotmail.com

The year was somewhere between 1984 and 1989 (I think). I was working in London, Ontario (Canada) at a place called "The Software Library", We arranged with DEC (A guy named Arpad Deak) to get a MicroVax, at least, for a while. I thought it was MicroVax-II or a MicroVax-2000, but it seems not. It would have been an early/late model. It wasn't a BA-23 chasis, or typical IBM PS2 looking case, it actually looked a lot like a toaster, sort of. it looked like a big white block, it was approximately 6" to 1' tall, 6" to 1' wide, and 2 feet long. I think the drive was 146 megs, it could only handle one. It definitely ran VMS. I vaguely remember I think the front cover came off, and the drive was right there, not sure the technology. it's been ages. but does anyone have the slightest idea which one I'm referring to? I tried google, but I can't find any pictures that look remotely like it. the closest thing is like this - http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://hampage.hu/vax/kepek/3300_B.JP… but that's all "wrong". too tall, and the look is wrong. the unit we had was basically flat white, I don't remember any LED's (perhaps one). too many years gone by. Dan. _________________________________________________________________

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CP/M Handbook

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

Would someone here like a copy of the CP/M Handbook by Rodney Zaks? -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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PCjr Telnet Server test (again)

by mbbrutman-cctalk＠brutman.com

I'm getting ready for the 25h anniversary of the PCjr announcement on Nov 1st. I plan to have the machine up and running serving as an 'electronic' guestbook for anybody who wants to look at it. If anybody wants to preview it and help me test it (again), it is running. Just telnet to 97.86.233.68. Since the last series of tests I've: - Added user registration and passwords - Added a session timeout - Added a 'leave a comment' feature - Fixed a major bug in the TCP reset segment handling code - Added a 'memdump' command so that you and peek at me in realtime - Recognize ASCII 127 (Rubout) as well as ASCII 8 (DEL) for editing - And quite a few other miscellaneous changes. I didn't do much with the telnet option negotiation. It should be usable by common Linux and Windows clients. It did pretty well with other telnet clients last time, but I didn't get around to things like auto-login or anything specific to terminal types. The code is around 80KB in size, which includes all of the TCP/IP stack. RAM utilization is a bit higher - most of it is buffer space. It has sockets and buffers available for 10 simultaneous users; I'm kind of curious to see how it holds up. (Tracing is at a minimum to speed it up, but it is still a 4.77Mhz machine.) Oh, and while you are on, don't forget to leave a comment! Thanks in advance, Mike

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AT&T UNIX PC - Need to hack user/password for access

by billdeg＠degnanco.com

Hi One of my students was able to repair an AT&T 7300 (67MB version) UNIX PC powersupply. Now it boots up, but we don't have the username and password. Any suggestions? BillDeg

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anyone got any transactor magazine?

by dgahling＠hotmail.com

anyone got any copies of Transactor magazine? this was a popular c64 magazine from the 80's out of toronto canada. I have quite a few, interested in collecting all the published issues if possible. Dan. _________________________________________________________________

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FS: How To Design Build & Program Your Own Working Computer System

by ken＠seefried.com

>> > > If anyone is interested, make an offer for Tab Books: "How To Design >> > > Build & Program Your Own Working Computer System" by Robert P. Haviland >> > > Pub. 1979 . 308 ppg. This is a complete how-to for the SC/MP >> > > microprocessor. >> > > >> > > > > Strangely, I'm sure I have the same title from the same publisher > > sitting on my shelf but it's for an 8080. > Hmm.... > The book is a pretty complete "how-to" for building the authors SC/MP > based "SCAMP" computer. It's quite possible the author did versions with > the same title except focusing on different microprocessors. Other > logical offspring would be the Z80, 6502,and 6800. I had the SC/MP version. I found the TAB books to be uniformly low quality, both in production and content. I found enough fundamental errors in them that I never tried to build the actual machine, as I was prett sure it would not work, or, at least, it wasn't going to be more useful than grabbing data sheets and whipping it up myself. KJ

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FS: How To Design Build & Program Your Own Working Computer System

by steerex＠ccvn.com

Thinning my collection of collectible books. If anyone is interested, make an offer for Tab Books: "How To Design Build & Program Your Own Working Computer System" by Robert P. Haviland Pub. 1979 . 308 ppg. This is a complete how-to for the SC/MP microprocessor. Reply to me directly. Postage will be from Western North Carolina. -- Steve Robertson steerex [at] ccvn [dot] com

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OT:Humor What people think their stuff is worth

by christian_liendo＠yahoo.com

I find stuff like this funny http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/tag/889529620.html Video Game Collectors Sale - $1 (New York, NY) Reply to: sale-889529620 at craigslist.org [?] Date: 2008-10-22, 5:29PM EDT $200 Atari 2600 Video Computer System with varies games(Pac-Man, Missle Command, etc.) $150 Nintendo Entertainment System with varies games(Top Gun, Bases Loaded, etc.) $100 Commodore VIC-20 Computer Collectors wanting to own a piece of video game history. All original packaging and box. Systems still works. Local delivery available Ethan, 917-334-8123 Location: New York, NY it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

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Amiga A2065

by apat＠hol.gr

Ethan, I saw in a very old post of yours that you have a couple of A2065 around. I am interested in obtaining one (if they are still available) to use for my A1000. If not let me know if you know where I can source one. Alexander

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TI Silent 700 on Craigslist

by cclist＠sydex.com

http://eugene.craigslist.org/sys/891552741.html Don't know if $100 is a good price nowadays or not. --Chuck

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FS How To Design Build & Program Your Own Working Computer System

by lynchaj＠yahoo.com

________________________________ On Thursday 23 October 2008 16:02, James Wilson wrote: > Steve Robertson wrote: > > Thinning my collection of collectible books. > > > > If anyone is interested, make an offer for Tab Books: "How To Design > > Build & Program Your Own Working Computer System" by Robert P. Haviland > > Pub. 1979 . 308 ppg. This is a complete how-to for the SC/MP > > microprocessor. > > [snip] ------REPLY------ If anyone is interested in building their own home brew computer they are welcome to join us on the N8VEM project. There is a known working Z80 CP/M home brew computer with all hardware and software information published and freely available. PCBs are available for the SBC, an ECB backplane, and the recently verified working ECB bus monitor (sort of a Jade Bus Probe for ECB). There are some builder created videos of the ECB bus monitor in action here: http://www.hd64180-ecb.de/html/video.html Soon I will be having a Prototype board PCB manufactured and hopefully not too long after that I will be making a Disk IO board PCB available as well. There are numerous N8VEM builder projects in various states of completion ranging from the GIDE, LCD displays, SD reader/writers, wireless links, NVRAM, and various other things better described by the builders. If you are interested in building your own home brew computer please consider joining the N8VEM project. Thank you and have a nice day! http://groups.google.com/group/n8vem Andrew Lynch

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HP4952A and HP4957A software

by ethan.dicks＠usap.gov

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 04:39:52PM +1100, Gordon Oliver wrote: > I'm trying to find some software for these two testers, I'd appreciate if > someone could help me. I have a 4951A, 4951B and 4952C. I have some software on TU-58-like tapes (for the 4951A ad 4951B), but no idea if a TU58 can be used to archive them. I have no 4952 software, but would love to have the terminal emulator package for it. I won't have access to my HP serial analyzers until December, but if it's possible to back up what I have, I think it should be saved and/or shared. If anyone knows how to generate 4952C diskettes, I'd love to hear about it. My understanding is that you can back up original software with the real hardware, but there's some form of simplistic DRM that prevents "sharing" application disks. -ethan -- Ethan Dicks, A-333-S Current South Pole Weather at 25-Oct-2008 at 11:40 Z South Pole Station PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -59.8 F (-51.0 C) Windchill -88.5 F (-67.0 C) APO AP 96598 Wind 7.8 kts Grid 80 Barometer 674.0 mb (10855 ft) Ethan.Dicks at usap.gov http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html

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identify, and need any parts from old (ppro?) Unisys tower

by rescue＠hawkmountain.net

A friend of mine put in the dumpster before it goes and old Unisys tower. It is just a chassis. A big 'monster' for what appears to be an ATXish chassis. It has a huge power supply... with 3 connectors similar to ATX but in various sizes. It has 8 removable wide scsi trays and at the top had 3 or 5 5.25" bays and 1 3.5" floppy drive. The P/N within the front drive bay door is 91.58701.029 and the trays are 55.59903.031. I don't know what this is ? tried identifying it online, but no luck. Wonder if this could have been a 6x6 ? (in which case too bad the person he bought the case from gutted it) (he was going to use it for a PC case, but the huge power supply with custom wiring shelved the project for several years and now you can have a storage powerhouse in a smaller than regular ATX tower... so the behemoth went to the dumpster). If anyone can use these trays or power supply (or any other part >from the chassis (front plastic, etc)... let me know... figure $5 for 4 drive trays, $5 for the power supply... not sure what else anyone could use off it... (front plastic is good except for where someone tried to paint/etc over the Unisys logo). -- Curt

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Just won HP 4952A / HP 18179A protocol analyzer/serial adapter

by rcini＠optonline.net

On 10/25/08 1:48 AM, "Gordon Oliver" <gordon.oliver at optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Al, do you still have those HP4852A disk images? - I have a 4952 and 4957 > I'm searching for utilities and other software for. I'd be really grateful > if you could help. > > > > Gordon 4952 information is available under "Hewlett Packard" on this page of my Web site: http://www.classiccmp.org/cini/systems.htm Rich -- Rich Cini Collector of Classic Computers Build Master and lead engineer, Altair32 Emulator http://www.altair32.com http://www.classiccmp.org/cini

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Just won HP 4952A / HP 18179A protocol analyzer/serial adapter

by gordon.oliver＠optusnet.com.au

Al, do you still have those HP4852A disk images? - I have a 4952 and 4957 I'm searching for utilities and other software for. I'd be really grateful if you could help. Gordon

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HP4952A and HP4957A software

by gordon.oliver＠optusnet.com.au

I'm trying to find some software for these two testers, I'd appreciate if someone could help me. Gordon.

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imsai.net

by wmaddox＠pacbell.net

--- On Sun, 10/19/08, David Griffith <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu> wrote: > Does anyone know what's going on with imsai.net > regarding the Series 2 > machines? I looked at the site hoping to get a drive > chassis, but that's > gone along with related to communication with Todd Fischer. This page is still there: http://imsai.net/products/MDE.htm If you click on the picture of Todd with the dollhouse (at the top of the main page) it takes you to another page that has navigation links to a bunch of other stuff. I don't know if this is just atrocious website design, or an incomplete attempt to take down the other pages. --Bill

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OT: Here is another Mac IICi $595

by christian_liendo＠yahoo.com

I like where he talks about "Advanced Hardware" http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/sys/886217650.html Apple Macintosh II ci Computer - $595 (East Hills, Long Island) Reply to: sale-886217650 at craigslist.org [?] Date: 2008-10-20, 11:38AM EDT A ?Like New? Apple Macintosh II ci Graphics Computer with Color Monitor, loaded with Hardware and Software. This can be a great Workstation for development or graphics. This computer has advanced hardware and software as follows: Hardware: 330 MB Hard Drive; Network Card; SCSI Card; PLI Infinity 40 Turbo SCSI Drive; three 44 MB SyQuest Cartridges and much more. Software: System 7.0.1 Operating System; QuarkXpress; Unitron; Norton Utilities; Alliance Power Tools and much much more. This is a GREAT BUY! Please call David or Ehud at: (516)625-3476 Location: East Hills, Long Island it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests PostingID: 886217650

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DEC Frontpanel color data?

by hachti＠hachti.de

Hi folks, does anyone have a specification of the frontpanel colors used by DEC? I need information (RGB or CMYK value or pantone name...) about the dark green used on PDP12 and LAB-8/e frontpanels. I need the correct color for a restauration project. If anyone has further information, or the ability to check his frontpanel colors against a color chart... Would be very good. Best wishes, Philipp :-)

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free: Tektronix Microlab I with complete docs

by cluno＠gmx.de

Hi Kurt, I contact you in regard to the Tektronix Microlab I. Do you still have it? If it's gone, do you know to whom? Is there any documentation available? I'm asking this, because I don't have any manual about it and need it for repair of Tek 7854. Please get in contact with me. Best regards, Christian Lehnert ----------------------------------------------- People, I recently bought a Tektronix Microlab I on eBay. It was sold as is, and in fact does not work. If anybody wants to take a stab at fixing it, you can have it. It is some kind of combination trainer/emulator. It has RS-232 and audio in/out to be used by the monitor program for loading programs into RAM. It looks like a microprocessor trainer: hex keypad, LED display, buttons for stepping through and starting and stopping the program. It can support a variety of different processors via personality cards. The card that is in there is for the TI TMS9900. Good luck finding other personality cards. They definitely were produced. When it is powered up, it shows different things on the LED and never responds to user input. I have made no effort at further diagnosis. Who knows, it might just be a power supply problem (linear, I think). It comes with complete documentation on microfiche including schematics. If somebody is interested in fixing it, it's free. -kurt -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal f?r Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer

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Relatively Early Computer Generated Art (1963)

by Apergy＠aol.com

Hello, This is my first post. Several months ago, I purchased a limited edition (12/50) photographic print of computer generated sine waves that was executed by Efriam Arazi in 1963. Arazi is considered to be a pioneer in leading edge computer graphics. I believe that the work was created by Arazi at MIT. Might anyone within or without the CCTALK community shed further light onto this work? Thank you, Randy In a message dated 10/23/2008 1:07:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org writes: Send cctalk mailing list submissions to cctalk at classiccmp.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cctalk-request at classiccmp.org You can reach the person managing the list at cctalk-owner at classiccmp.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of cctalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: CRT displays [was: computer graphics in the 1950s] (Tony Duell) 2. Re: CRT displays [was: computer graphics in the 1950s] (Tony Duell) 3. Re: PDP-1 Spacewar! program internals (Lee Courtney (ACM)) 4. Re: DECNET/8 (was Re: RTS-8) (Johnny Billquist) 5. Re: CRT displays [was: computer graphics in the 1950s] (der Mouse) 6. FS: How To Design Build & Program Your Own Working Computer System (Steve Robertson) 7. Re: DECNET/8 (was Re: RTS-8) (Ethan Dicks) 8. DDC BUS-65517 1553 card (lanoe) 9. OT:Humor What people think their stuff is worth (Christian Liendo) 10. OT: Atari 2600 w 10 games $400 (Christian Liendo) 11. OT: Here is another Mac IICi $595 (Christian Liendo) 12. Re: OT:Humor What people think their stuff is worth (Zane H. Healy) 13. RE: DECNET/8 (was Re: RTS-8) (Paul_Koning at Dell.com) 14. Re: OT:Humor What people think their stuff is worth (John Floren) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:43:34 +0100 (BST) From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Subject: Re: CRT displays [was: computer graphics in the 1950s] To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <m1KsjcH-000J1gC at p850ug1> Content-Type: text/plain > > I give up. I can't figure out how you define "monitor". Nor can I. It's clear (I hope) that the thing I use on my workbench with a raster-scanned CRT and a composite video input is a 'monitor' by any normal defintiion. It's equally clear to me that the DEC VT100 is not a monitor, it's a terminal (although it contains a monitor). But there are plenty of grey areas between them. > > Is it a raster-scan CRT? If so, then yes, it doesn't directly do characters. > > Is it a vector-only CRT? If so, then again it doesn't directly do characters. Try as I will, I can't think of a _CRT_ that can only be raster scanned or vector scanned. > Is it a vacuum tube with a phosphor face intended as an output device viewed by humans? That would be the definition I would assume you're using. If so, then the SAGE displays fit: those are direct view tubes that can display both vectors and characte rs, and the character display is a Charactron. Esactly. -tony ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:38:39 +0100 (BST) From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Subject: Re: CRT displays [was: computer graphics in the 1950s] To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <m1KsjXX-000J12C at p850ug1> Content-Type: text/plain > > >vector representation and *that* is sent to the monitor. Monitors > > >don't eat characters as input. > > > > Not unless they are a Charactron [...] > > ...which is not a monitor, so no characters are not sent to monitors. You can, of course, use words to mean what you like, but it helps if we all know that definition. So could you please tell us what you mean by (video) monitor [1], what inputs it may have, and so on. [1] I put the 'video' in to avoid discussion of monitor programs, and the like. And what do you call the HP98780? -tony ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:26:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lee Courtney $ACM$" <lee_courtney at acm.org> Subject: Re: PDP-1 Spacewar! program internals To: classiccmp at classiccmp.org, "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <100541.90698.qm at web35307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Al, Very nice interview. Is there an audio of the entire interview available on the Museum web site, or Youtube? Lee Courtney --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Al Kossow <aek at spies.com> wrote: > From: Al Kossow <aek at spies.com> > Subject: PDP-1 Spacewar! program internals > To: classiccmp at classiccmp.org > Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 11:00 AM > Here is part of an oral history I recorded with Steve Russel > last > August which discusses how the Spacewar! program works > internally. > > > Exerpt of an oral history of Steve Russell > August 2008 > CHM Reference Number X4970.2008 > (C) 2008 Computer History Museum > > > Russell: Anyway, the PDP-1 arrived, and Marvin Minsky > wrote the tripos > demonstration, generally called the Minskytron, > and there was the famous weekend > where the mob of undergraduates transcribed the > macro assembler from TX-0 to the > PDP-1, because they didn't like FRAP. And > then fairly quickly thereafter, they > wrote DDT and connected up the macro symbols to > DDT. So that was all sort of in > place by the middle of the fall of 1961. And the > combination of the Minskytron and > having DDT with interactive debugging with > symbols was very tempting. I don't > remember the exact order of things, but I'm > pretty sure I started talking up a better > demonstration program than the Minskytron, and > eventually, Alan Kotok went up > to Maynard and collected the sine and cosine > routines from DECUS, presented > them to me, and said, "Okay, here are the > sine and cosine routines; now what's your > excuse?" And I discovered I had run out of > excuses; I had to actually think. And so > I started work and figured out the basic trick > of Spacewar! display which is that you > only need to calculate a unit vector pointing in > the direction of the spaceship. And > you can express everything else the spaceship > does, and the outline of the spaceship > in terms of that unit vector, suitably scaled. > So it's basically a lot of addition in the > usual program upkeep. > > Kossow: Do you want to just give an overview, then, of how > Spacewar! actually > works? > > Russell: It's one big loop, and the loop is on the > displayable objects. And I called > them displayable objects, although I didn't > know about object orientation or object- > oriented programming at the time. > > Kossow: So you have the sun-- > > Russell: Colliding objects, not displayable objects. The > colliding object is a space > ship, there are two of those. And that has a lot > of extra data with it. It shares the > position and velocity tables with all of the > torpedoes and explosions that are running > around. So there's just one big loop through > the colliding objects, and it looks at all > the higher-numbered colliding objects to see if > there's a collision, using an octagon > because you don't need to calculate the > square root of anything, you can do that by > work on X difference, Y difference, and X+Y > difference-- > > Kossow: So the bounding box for the collision detection is > an octagon? > > Russell: Yes. So it goes through, it sees if this object is > colliding with any higher- > numbered object. If it is, it replaces the > calculation routines. That's another thing > that every colliding object has, is a > calculation routine. It replaces the calculation > routine with the explosion calculation routine. > And then things take care of > themselves. Then, after it's decided whether > it's an explosion or not, it goes off to > the calculation routine. And the calculation > routine updates the position, since all > colliding objects have velocity; and if it's > a spaceship, it worries about reading the > controls and updating the other things about the > spaceship in deciding whether to > launch a torpedo or not. And if a torpedo needs > to be launched, it searches up the > colliding object table for an empty slot, > indicated by having no calculation routine. > It searches up the table for an empty slot, puts > a torpedo calculation routine there, > and the spaceship position plus the suitable > increments, so it won't run into its > torpedo, and of the velocity of the spaceship > plus an increment for the torpedo, and > it goes on. When that the main loop gets done, > you go off and do some star display > and display the sun, and calculate -- and part > of the spaceship calculation is to > calculate the effect of gravity on the > spaceship. Originally, there wasn't any gravity, > and I had an interpreter, which interpreted the > outline description, and Dan > Edwards, sometime in late 1961 or early 1962, > looked at that code and decided if he > could write a special purpose compiler which > would compile precisely the right > code, and proceeded to. And there's one > compiled outline for each spaceship; each > spaceship actually does half of the spaceship > outline and then you twiddle the > vectors and do the other half. That keeps the > display running just as fast as it can. > That gives time to calculate the effect of > gravity on the two spaceships, but not on > the torpedoes. So we decided that they were > photon torpedoes not affected by > gravity. > > Kossow: So when the explosion routine starts, it continues > calculating motion, so > the explosion moves? > > Russell: Yes. If you see two spaceships collide, if you > watch closely, you will see > that there are two explosions that continue off > in the direction that the two > spaceships were going. There is another number > in the table for all colliding > objects, which is the size. And this is, roughly > speaking, proportional to the amount > of computing it takes to compute that object. > And at the end of the loop, as you go > through the main loop, you accumulate the sizes > also; and so at the end of the loop, > there's fritter away time loop that attempts > to keep the frame rate approximately > constant. It doesn't do a wonderful job; > it's visually adequate, but God help you > when you try to take a movie of it. > > Kossow: One of the complaints with all modern kids trying > to play it now is > that it's TOO SLOW. > > Russell: Kids who are used to something like Asteroids seem > to think that. But > when we do the demos, we get a number of people > who seem to be still quite > addicted to it with the old, slow version. Now, > that was always a complaint; the > reason that all the parameters got accumulated > in the first page of the listing, which > says you can put that first page of the listing > of the console, and anyone who wanted > to try a different set of parameters could. But > the ones that were compiled in or > assembled in were the ones that I thought were > good. Now it turns out I'm not a > representative arcade game player, and so my > version of the parameters is slower > and gives more opportunity for marksmanship than > the arcade version. > > Kossow: Right, that's the whole thing with gravity and > doing the, what's that called, > where you whip around the sun? Does it have a > name, where you whip around the > sun and you shoot? > > Russell: The closest name is the "CBS maneuver" > is what happens when two lazy > experts fight each other, which is they both > turn at right angles to the sun, and fire > for 3.5 or 4 seconds, so they're now in > stable orbits, and they know it. And then they > turn at each other and start trying to place > torpedoes where they think the other one > is going to be. And so the trails turn into an > eye around the sun, and CBS used that > as a logo, so it got called the "CBS > maneuver". You can-- one of the spaceships can > go the other way around the sun, so that both > ships meet on the same side of the > sun. But that seems usually to have less chance > of winning. Not much less, but > somewhat less. > > Kossow: It's better that you stay on opposite sides, > then? > > Russell: Yes. > > Kossow: And then at some point, you added hyperspace? > > Russell: Yes, and we realized that that was going-- I > don't remember whether we > actually had it. I may have had it for a little > while with no limit, but it became very > clear that someone who didn't understand > could use hyperspace to escape their > proper justice forever, and so we added the > unreliability of hyperfield generators > very quickly. One thing that Asteroids and the > arcade versions, the later arcade > versions of Spacewar! added, which actually was > a big help, especially with their > high acceleration rates, was "training > mode" where space was actually viscous. So > if you got your ship accelerated so that it was > going across the screen so fast you > couldn't understand what was going on, if > you took your hands off, the situation > would gradually become understandable. I > don't think I would have been persuaded > to do that in the original Spacewar! because it > was unrealistic. But it definitely > made it easier to learn. > > Kossow: So are there any other favorite anecdotes about > Spacewar!, or just the > spread of Spacewar!? > > Russell: Well, the "imitation is the sincerest form > of flattery"-- many people saw > Spacewar! as, some people ask for copies of the > source, and of course we gave them > out because we very briefly considered trying to > sell Spacewar!. We realized the > only possible customer was Digital Equipment, > and we also, on a little reflection, > that they were too cheap to do it. So we gave it > out to anyone who wanted it, and > some people got the listing and thought about > it, and by reading it-- a lot of people > simply saw the game and had a computer that > wasn't the PDP-1 but did have a > display, and implemented Spacewar! their own > way. I suspect most of them figured > out the "basic trick", but I'm not > sure. > > Kossow: What "basic trick" were you thinking of? > > Russell: That you could do everything based on the > spaceship unit vector. How are > you fixed for the source code for different > implementations of Spacewar!? > > Kossow: We have a few. I don't know if we have the > PDP-10 version. We have the > 12 version, and I think we have a PDP-7 version. > > Russell: I think Bob Saunders wrote the PDP-7 version. I > think one 6 version > simply ran on the PDP-1 simulator. I think there > must have been others, but I don't > know. Something for some history grad student to > pursue. When we were running a > demo for the Yelp event, there was one woman who > had done Spacewar! in turtle > graphics as a high school programming project, > which she wasn't too happy with. > She seemed to like the demo of the original > Spacewar!. > > Kossow: So turtle graphics running on a micro or something > like that? > > Russell: I didn't quiz her. I didn't have the > opportunity to quiz her further. > > Kossow: So she thought this version was better? > > Russell: No, she just thought it was nice to see the > original. > > Kossow: So she was in her mid-20s? > > Russell: 20s or early 30s; probably 20s. The DEC field > service story where the > DEC production people got into the practice of > loading Spacewar! the last thing > before PDP-1 shipped, and field service would > then unpack it, make sure that > nothing horrible had happened, tryed turning on > power, and starting Spacewar!. > And if it worked, they would call the customer > over and say, "See, it works." If it > didn't work, then they'd worry about it. > In the restoration project, we had a little > reflection and we decided that probably if > Spacewar! works, just about everything > works, as far as machine instructions go. It > doesn't guarantee all the I/O gear works, > but it does multiply and divides, and just about > every instruction. So a lot of people > implemented Spacewar! just from knowing that it > existed and having seen it maybe > once. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:35:21 +0200 From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> Subject: Re: DECNET/8 (was Re: RTS-8) To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <48FF6459.90408 at softjar.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at usap.gov> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 07:54:04AM -0400, djg at pdp8.net wrote: >>> Does anyone actually have a copy of the DECnet-8 software >>> >> I have disk images which seem to be it. >> http://www.pdp8online.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?words=decnet > > I will poke around in that tomorrow when our sat rises. That definitely looks like DECNET/8. Fun! >> The first two are from disks which were labeled decnet 1 and decnet 2 > > Sounds promising. > >> All the RTS docs I have seen are from dbit. >> http://www.pdp8online.com/pdp8cgi/query_docs/query.pl?Search=rts >> ftp://ftp.dbit.com/pub/pdp8/doc/ > > After looking all day, I finally found the doc file I recently > discovered (most likely from dbit). It's an ASCII file named > 'decnet8.doc', internally designated "AA-5184A-TA", and happens > to briefly reference a couple of other DEC docs, "DEC-08-ORTMA", > and "DEC-8E-HMM3A". > > The primary doc file describes programs like TLK and LSN and NIP. > TLK and LSN are a line-at-a-time messaging pair. NIP (Network > Information Program) prints network status and diagnostic information. > > At first pass, DECNET/8 appears to support local traffic (process-to- > process or terminal-to-terminal) as well as a variety of interfaces > for node-to-node traffic. One list includes the KL8E, KL8J-A, KL8A, > KL8M, DP8E (interprocessor buffer), and DKC8-A (parallel). > > So to amend my previous speculations, DECNET/8 appears to provide a > basic messaging utility and user-written applications, but does not > come with any bundled file transfer capabilities. That matches my impression as well. There is a DDCMP implementation in there as well. I wonder if the TLK and LSN programs are compatible with the ones on RSX. Someone asked about compatibility between phase III and phase IV, which Paul Koenig answered. I have another question, though. As I've read it, phase III nodes can talk with phase II nodes, just as phase IV can talk with phase III. But can phase IV talk with phase II? Since DECNET/8 is phase II, this is somewhat interesting... I doubt I'll have time to look more into this any time soon, but unless someone else manage to get this working I definitely will try it sooner or later. Could anyone put up the files for convenient access with ftp? Johnny ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:00:06 -0400 (EDT) From: der Mouse <mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG> Subject: Re: CRT displays [was: computer graphics in the 1950s] To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <200810222130.RAA03919 at Sparkle.Rodents-Montreal.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> Is it a raster-scan CRT? If [...] >> Is it a vector-only CRT? If [...] > Try as I will, I can't think of a _CRT_ that can only be raster > scanned or vector scanned. Well...one without deflection plates is rather difficult to use as a vector display, but that's a matter of complicated and unconventional driving electronics more than a matter of possibility proper. (Or, I suppose, one could use electrostatic deflection with the deflection plates outside the vacuum envelope, but that gets interesting in other ways.) But, that aside, if you want to use that narrow a definition of CRT, then no, characters are never sent to any CRT, Charactron or not; it's all voltage levels. I suppose you could view the voltage levels sent to a Charactron's pre-mask deflection electrodes as an encoding of a character; this point of view has some justice to it, since you could equally well say that a serial line doesn't carry characters, just voltage waveforms - but in that case you can view the relevant inputs to any CRT that's displaying a character as an encoding of that character, so it's really a question of which point of view is most useful. But I think we already got an explanation upthread that basically said it depended on software's view of it, making it more a question of design intent than anything else, since either "graphics" or "character" can be pressed into service as the other.... /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse at rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:25:45 -0400 From: Steve Robertson <steerex at ccvn.com> Subject: FS: How To Design Build & Program Your Own Working Computer System To: cctech at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <1224721545.17212.5.camel at bart> Content-Type: text/plain Thinning my collection of collectible books. If anyone is interested, make an offer for Tab Books: "How To Design Build & Program Your Own Working Computer System" by Robert P. Haviland Pub. 1979 . 308 ppg. This is a complete how-to for the SC/MP microprocessor. Reply to me directly. Postage will be from Western North Carolina. -- Steve Robertson steerex [at] ccvn [dot] com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:40:59 +0000 From: Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at usap.gov> Subject: Re: DECNET/8 (was Re: RTS-8) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <20081023074059.GA7597 at usap.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 07:35:21PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: > Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at usap.gov> wrote: > >>http://www.pdp8online.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?words=decnet > > > >I will poke around in that tomorrow when our sat rises. > > That definitely looks like DECNET/8. Fun! Yep... I dug around today and it looks good. > I wonder if the TLK and LSN programs are compatible with the ones on RSX. There's a comment in TLK.PA about a change made in 1976 to add "PDP11 COMPATIBILITY", so I think it's possible. -ethan -- Ethan Dicks, A-333-S Current South Pole Weather at 23-Oct-2008 at 07:30 Z South Pole Station PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -53.5 F (-47.5 C) Windchill -86.9 F (-66.0 C) APO AP 96598 Wind 12.1 kts Grid 21 Barometer 676.2 mb (10772 ft) Ethan.Dicks at usap.gov http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:51:11 +0200 From: "lanoe" <lanoevr41 at aol.com> Subject: DDC BUS-65517 1553 card To: <cctech at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <KCEOKINBOMNOIPEFMILBAEGACGAA.lanoevr41 at aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Wouter, I have seen on an internet site that a few yeras ago you were discussing about BUS-65517 1553 card. I'm currently looking fo one o this PC board, do you have any information about the procurement of this PCB please, DDC is no longer proposing this reference. Thanks by advance Best ragrds P. LANOE ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:08:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Christian Liendo <christian_liendo at yahoo.com> Subject: OT:Humor What people think their stuff is worth To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <190818.54386.qm at web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I find stuff like this funny http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/tag/889529620.html Video Game Collectors Sale - $1 (New York, NY) Reply to: sale-889529620 at craigslist.org [?] Date: 2008-10-22, 5:29PM EDT $200 Atari 2600 Video Computer System with varies games(Pac-Man, Missle Command, etc.) $150 Nintendo Entertainment System with varies games(Top Gun, Bases Loaded, etc.) $100 Commodore VIC-20 Computer Collectors wanting to own a piece of video game history. All original packaging and box. Systems still works. Local delivery available Ethan, 917-334-8123 Location: New York, NY it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:10:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Christian Liendo <christian_liendo at yahoo.com> Subject: OT: Atari 2600 w 10 games $400 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <605098.29305.qm at web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Some of this stuff is crazy http://newyork.craigslist.org/brx/clt/881172465.html Original Atari 2600 with games - $400 (Bronx) Reply to: sale-881172465 at craigslist.org [?] Date: 2008-10-16, 3:09AM EDT Selling an original ATARI 2600 I got in 1982 Atari 2600 with games about 10-=15 games Including defender, yars revenge, combat, misslecommand ,break out , asteroids, Frogger, Raidersof the lost ark , ET, River Raid, Space Caverns, night driver , original pac man , bezerk , championsip soccer among some, Have the original Joysticks and paddle controls. I have had them since 1982 since I was a little boy and now I am 36 . Serious inquiries only for you old timers who know what I am talking about. console works perfect and so do the cartirdges. will not negotiate on this one guys so dont even ask . $400 even no less if not then I hold on to it a few more Yrs and Get much more $$$$$ i am a maticulous man keeping my things in perfect conditions. Also have Nintendo , Super NES and Sega Genesis , Commodore 64 , And many other items in my day which are mint and flawless. Once again serious inquieries only NO LESS THAN 400 and you old timers now that is a bargin !!! Eddie (347) 702-3918 Location: Bronx it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests PostingID: 881172465 ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:12:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Christian Liendo <christian_liendo at yahoo.com> Subject: OT: Here is another Mac IICi $595 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <983369.60357.qm at web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I like where he talks about "Advanced Hardware" http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/sys/886217650.html Apple Macintosh II ci Computer - $595 (East Hills, Long Island) Reply to: sale-886217650 at craigslist.org [?] Date: 2008-10-20, 11:38AM EDT A ?Like New? Apple Macintosh II ci Graphics Computer with Color Monitor, loaded with Hardware and Software. This can be a great Workstation for development or graphics. This computer has advanced hardware and software as follows: Hardware: 330 MB Hard Drive; Network Card; SCSI Card; PLI Infinity 40 Turbo SCSI Drive; three 44 MB SyQuest Cartridges and much more. Software: System 7.0.1 Operating System; QuarkXpress; Unitron; Norton Utilities; Alliance Power Tools and much much more. This is a GREAT BUY! Please call David or Ehud at: (516)625-3476 Location: East Hills, Long Island it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests PostingID: 886217650 ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:17:57 -0700 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com> Subject: Re: OT:Humor What people think their stuff is worth To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <p0624081cc52634c644d4(a)[192.168.1.199]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 6:08 AM -0700 10/23/08, Christian Liendo wrote: >I find stuff like this funny > >http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/tag/889529620.html I've been watching Craigslist the past few months looking for some camera equipment I'm after. I can typically buy used stuff from a dealer with some sort of warranty for about the same price people want, or less. What really gets me is the stuff people are trying to sell for more than it costs new. The strange thing is, it's typically on the very high-end expensive stuff you can get a good deal. So far I've not purchased anything off Craigslist, as what I'm looking for hasn't turned up at a price that makes it worth messing with. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:52:05 -0500 From: <Paul_Koning at Dell.com> Subject: RE: DECNET/8 (was Re: RTS-8) To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <B135486A342E6244AEE1EB13118903BA019CA7F9 at ausx3mpc106.aus.amer.dell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >I wonder if the TLK and LSN programs are compatible with the ones on RSX. FWIW, TLK/LSN exists in RSTS also. >Someone asked about compatibility between phase III and phase IV, which >Paul Koenig answered. >I have another question, though. > >As I've read it, phase III nodes can talk with phase II nodes, just as >phase IV can talk with phase III. But can phase IV talk with phase II? >Since DECNET/8 is phase II, this is somewhat interesting... I thought the comment was that DECnet/8 is Phase III? In any case, the question is no. Compatibility is one phase up, so Phase III understands II, and IV understands III, but IV->II isn't supported. It's possible that someone did implement that; it wouldn't be all that difficult. But for example DECnet/E does not. I just checked... the message code for the Phase II init message is in the definitions file, but it isn't mentioned in the routing layer code so the state machine for handling that message is absent. paul PS. I noticed that the pdf/dec/DECnet directory on bitsavers.org has some Phase II and some Phase III docs (not clearly differentiated -- the 1978 docs are Phase II, the 1980 ones are Phase III). But there are no Phase IV docs there. I know they exist elsewhere; having those copied to bitsavers would be a good thing. ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:26:51 -0400 From: "John Floren" <slawmaster at gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT:Humor What people think their stuff is worth To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <7d3530220810230826s6935423eh419d888dfaa10f65 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote: > At 6:08 AM -0700 10/23/08, Christian Liendo wrote: >> >> I find stuff like this funny >> >> http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/tag/889529620.html > > I've been watching Craigslist the past few months looking for some camera > equipment I'm after. I can typically buy used stuff from a dealer with some > sort of warranty for about the same price people want, or less. What really > gets me is the stuff people are trying to sell for more than it costs new. > The strange thing is, it's typically on the very high-end expensive stuff > you can get a good deal. > > So far I've not purchased anything off Craigslist, as what I'm looking for > hasn't turned up at a price that makes it worth messing with. > > Zane > > Step on any college campus and see all the flyers for used laptops selling for more than they cost new... 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OT:Humor What people think their stuff is worth

by slawmaster＠gmail.com

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote: > At 6:08 AM -0700 10/23/08, Christian Liendo wrote: >> >> I find stuff like this funny >> >> http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/tag/889529620.html > > I've been watching Craigslist the past few months looking for some camera > equipment I'm after. I can typically buy used stuff from a dealer with some > sort of warranty for about the same price people want, or less. What really > gets me is the stuff people are trying to sell for more than it costs new. > The strange thing is, it's typically on the very high-end expensive stuff > you can get a good deal. > > So far I've not purchased anything off Craigslist, as what I'm looking for > hasn't turned up at a price that makes it worth messing with. > > Zane > > Step on any college campus and see all the flyers for used laptops selling for more than they cost new... John -- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

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DECNET/8 (was Re: RTS-8)

by bqt＠softjar.se

Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at usap.gov> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 07:54:04AM -0400, djg at pdp8.net wrote: >>> Does anyone actually have a copy of the DECnet-8 software >>> >> I have disk images which seem to be it. >> http://www.pdp8online.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?words=decnet > > I will poke around in that tomorrow when our sat rises. That definitely looks like DECNET/8. Fun! >> The first two are from disks which were labeled decnet 1 and decnet 2 > > Sounds promising. > >> All the RTS docs I have seen are from dbit. >> http://www.pdp8online.com/pdp8cgi/query_docs/query.pl?Search=rts >> ftp://ftp.dbit.com/pub/pdp8/doc/ > > After looking all day, I finally found the doc file I recently > discovered (most likely from dbit). It's an ASCII file named > 'decnet8.doc', internally designated "AA-5184A-TA", and happens > to briefly reference a couple of other DEC docs, "DEC-08-ORTMA", > and "DEC-8E-HMM3A". > > The primary doc file describes programs like TLK and LSN and NIP. > TLK and LSN are a line-at-a-time messaging pair. NIP (Network > Information Program) prints network status and diagnostic information. > > At first pass, DECNET/8 appears to support local traffic (process-to- > process or terminal-to-terminal) as well as a variety of interfaces > for node-to-node traffic. One list includes the KL8E, KL8J-A, KL8A, > KL8M, DP8E (interprocessor buffer), and DKC8-A (parallel). > > So to amend my previous speculations, DECNET/8 appears to provide a > basic messaging utility and user-written applications, but does not > come with any bundled file transfer capabilities. That matches my impression as well. There is a DDCMP implementation in there as well. I wonder if the TLK and LSN programs are compatible with the ones on RSX. Someone asked about compatibility between phase III and phase IV, which Paul Koenig answered. I have another question, though. As I've read it, phase III nodes can talk with phase II nodes, just as phase IV can talk with phase III. But can phase IV talk with phase II? Since DECNET/8 is phase II, this is somewhat interesting... I doubt I'll have time to look more into this any time soon, but unless someone else manage to get this working I definitely will try it sooner or later. Could anyone put up the files for convenient access with ftp? Johnny

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OT: Atari 2600 w 10 games $400

by christian_liendo＠yahoo.com

Some of this stuff is crazy http://newyork.craigslist.org/brx/clt/881172465.html Original Atari 2600 with games - $400 (Bronx) Reply to: sale-881172465 at craigslist.org [?] Date: 2008-10-16, 3:09AM EDT Selling an original ATARI 2600 I got in 1982 Atari 2600 with games about 10-=15 games Including defender, yars revenge, combat, misslecommand ,break out , asteroids, Frogger, Raidersof the lost ark , ET, River Raid, Space Caverns, night driver , original pac man , bezerk , championsip soccer among some, Have the original Joysticks and paddle controls. I have had them since 1982 since I was a little boy and now I am 36 . Serious inquiries only for you old timers who know what I am talking about. console works perfect and so do the cartirdges. will not negotiate on this one guys so dont even ask . $400 even no less if not then I hold on to it a few more Yrs and Get much more $$$$$ i am a maticulous man keeping my things in perfect conditions. Also have Nintendo , Super NES and Sega Genesis , Commodore 64 , And many other items in my day which are mint and flawless. Once again serious inquieries only NO LESS THAN 400 and you old timers now that is a bargin !!! Eddie (347) 702-3918 Location: Bronx it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests PostingID: 881172465

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DDC BUS-65517 1553 card

by lanoevr41＠aol.com

Hi Wouter, I have seen on an internet site that a few yeras ago you were discussing about BUS-65517 1553 card. I'm currently looking fo one o this PC board, do you have any information about the procurement of this PCB please, DDC is no longer proposing this reference. Thanks by advance Best ragrds P. LANOE

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New Hardware Available Soon! ... yet oddly ontopic!!!

by zmerch-cctalk＠30below.com

Yes, it's a shameless plug, but no it's not for my hardware. An individual by the name of Ken Pettit has designed a new piece of computer hardware called NADSBox - it's centered around simple portable file storage for the Tandy Model 100/102/200/NEC 820x (Kyocera-OEMmed) laptops that allows you to use an SD card to be used as a (dang big) floppy drive - and preserves the DOS file structure so you can easily transfer files from the SD card to your Winders/Mac (and I'll assume Linux, but it's not specifically mentioned) machine. Here's a press release on the unit: http://www.club100.org/nadsboxoverview.html And the user manual: http://www.club100.org/nadsboxusersguide_v10.pdf More info at: http://www.club100.org/ The inventor has several built and are slated for a 1 November 08 ship date, and if you [pre]order before 1 Jan 09, you'll get it for a cheaper price. Now... they're not cheap, at the preorder price of $150 & $10 worldwide shipping, but these things really are designed for the customer - they come with a 512Meg SD card with a built-in USB port so if you don't have a media reader, you won't have to buy one! Lo & Behold, tho - if that's not big enough, the NADSBox will support 16G SD cards! See the webpage mentioned above for more information on this *very* interesting piece of hardware for the Model 'T' laptops! Oh, and no, I'm not dead... yet anyway. My current employment situation is working on changing that in short order... but at least I'm employed. Laterz! "Merch" -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger | A new truth in advertising slogan SysAdmin, Iceberg Computers | for MicroSoft: "We're not the oxy... zmerch at 30below.com | ...in oxymoron!"

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Tru64 5.1 ISO

by alexandre.laguejacques＠gmail.com

Hello all, Does anyone here have a copy of Tru64 5.1? I need to get the last version that supported the Turbochannel architecture (i.e. DEC 3000 AXP and friends) and 5.1A and 5.1B have dropped it if I understand correctly. I'd take care of the licencing of course... I just need an ISO or something. Thanks! - Alex

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RTS-8

by chd_1＠nktelco.net

Anybody here have direct experience with RTS-8? I have a PDP-8/e, some digital and analog I/O cards and have toyed with the idea of trying to get RTS-8 running to control something (not sure what exactly). I think DECnet for the PDP-8 requires RTS-8 too. -chuck

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RTS-8

by djg＠pdp8.net

> Does anyone actually have a copy of the DECnet-8 software > I have disk images which seem to be it. http://www.pdp8online.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?words=decnet The first two are from disks which were labeled decnet 1 and decnet 2 All the RTS docs I have seen are from dbit. http://www.pdp8online.com/pdp8cgi/query_docs/query.pl?Search=rts ftp://ftp.dbit.com/pub/pdp8/doc/ I have never tried to use it.

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PDP11GUI: a graphical diagnostic environment for PDP-11's

by j_hoppe＠t-online.de

Hi, I developed a graphical developement environment for PDP-11's. It's name is "PDP11GUI". Since it is spreading on the net already, I'm forced to announce it early. Status is "mostly beta". I begun building it in spring 2008 as a tool for my own 11/44 restauration project, but it quickly developed it's own momentum. Key features: - interfaces to 11/44 and SimH, ODT interface is under development. - interfaces through physical COM ports or via telnet. - visual display and manipulation of memory content - symbolic display and manipulation of I/O registers and bits. - can assemble and deposit MACRO-11 programs - can Run/Stop/Single step through code, displays execution position in source code and/or disassembly - can also be operated through photorealistic simulated PDP11/70 panel. - I/O page register scanner - Memory loader - 11/44 micro code display - MS Windows MDI application. - Free for non-commercial use. It is free for non-commercial use, download at http://www.j-hoppe.de/PDP-11/Resources/setup.exe Mandatory documentation at www.j-hoppe.de/pdp11gui.html Enjoy! Joerg Hoppe

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Teletype Model 43 ribbons (and old ribbons in general...)

by derschjo＠msu.edu

Hey -- Stumbled across an old Teletype ksr-43 this weekend and couldn't pass it up. Seems to be working but the ribbon's (obviously) dried up. Was considering re-inking it but it's so worn through in places it's about to fall apart. Can't find anyplace on the 'net that still stocks them (lots of them /list/ it, though, which is annoying). Anyone have any leads? And while I'm on the subject -- anyone have any good leads for old typewriter ribbons? I have an old L.C. Smith Bros typewriter that's in need of one... Thanks as always (and still working on the Otrona Attache...), Josh

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KMAX Kuma Atari Transputer Development System on Ebay

by a.financial.engineer＠gmail.com

Kurt et al, For those Atari fans (and transputer fans as well), I just posted a KMAX TDS for you lads. EXTREMELY RARE. Far more than the Atari Transputer Workstation which can be found once in a while... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=260304127531&Category=41… Good luck, more to come...

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hero robots

by brians69d24＠hotmail.com

Hi I saw an older post about a couple of old hero robots for sale. Did you ever sell them? thanks brian _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/

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imsai.net

by jefferwin＠gmail.com

> > Stay away, stay away! This guy has a track record of misrepresenting his > products, talking your money, and then ... nothing. No refund, no regrets, > nothing. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] > On Behalf Of David Griffith > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:06 PM > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: imsai.net > > > Does anyone know what's going on with imsai.net regarding the Series 2 > machines? I looked at the site hoping to get a drive chassis, but that's > gone along with related to communication with Todd Fischer. I had heard something to this affect as well. Several people had placed orders and paid deposits and all went into a black hole. The word on the street was that he abandoned the idea but left the web site up. I sent him email about six months ago asking about one of his replacement part kits for the Imsai and never got a response back.

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Graphical developement environment for PDP-11

by steve＠cosam.org

Hi all, I'm posting this on behalf of -- Steve Maddison http://www.cosam.org/

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Transputer-based stuff on ebay

by a.financial.engineer＠gmail.com

In response to James regarding whether or not I will ship to UK. Yes, I will ship worldwide if: 1) Paypal is accepted 2) You pay for shipping of course... Note that there is going to be a HUGE lot of stuff that is going to be listed. There is just too many things and the we are moving. The wife is complaining too :-) I will of course keep some of the rarer transputer hardware, but majority of the other stuff is going. The books and documents I collected are massive and that will be the next to go up. I really hope someone in the newsgroup gets them as I really want these preserved and scanned (if possible)...

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PET composite video adapter

by ethan.dicks＠usap.gov

Hi, All, I'm just finishing up assembling a PET "Video Mixer" from an old JPG of a much older scan of said circuit. This particular one is annotated as being from the "Commodore Pet Users Club of England - Newsletter issues 1 & 2, page 9". It's the variant with three NOR gates ('LS02), with a few resistors, capacitors, and a diode. The part that I'm curious about is how much variation is allowed in the caps. The schematic shows the horizontal sync coupled to a gate via a "2200 mf" non-polarized cap. I don't know that I have any disc or ceramic caps that large lying around. The output of that gate (which NORs the inverted vertical sync with the massaged horizontal sync) feeds unto a "47mf" tantalum cap (then pulled down to ground by a diode, and wire-ored to inverted video out/composite out via a 470 Ohm resistor). I have 47uF caps, but that seems pretty large to me. I have a basic understanding of RS-170-type video, and I know this circuit is probably going to produce a signal that "modern" IC-based video inputs will not like (much the same way the classic RCA CDP1861 video behaves), but fortunately, I have an old B&W security-type monitor to plug this into (which has already been tested with a CDP1861). I'm just curious why the caps are so large. I think I get what's going on with this circuit (the way it combines the syncs and video), and I've heard of similar circuits being used successfully by others, so with luck, it'll work the first time. Oh... in case anyone is wondering why I'm bothering, I have a couple of naked PET boards here, no chasses, no CBM monitors. I did cobble up a DC-based harness (+5, +12, -5V, no tape motor voltage, but then no tape drive, either) for testing, and I do get "interesting" looking pips on a 'scope when I check for video, so I'm hopeful that the boards are working well enough to at least give me a screen full of _something_, even if it's the classic "garbage" screen you get when the machine isn't running well enough to zero video RAM. So has anyone here made an external PET video adapter and have any experiences to share about what worked and what might not have worked? Thanks, -ethan P.S. - I found another type of composite circuit using a CD4011 as an inverter and a CD4066 to mix the signals, but for some reason I don't have all the components labelled on my drawing - the cap on hsync in particular. One interesting variation with that one is that the 'LS02 circuit has a 1.5K pulldown on hsync between the cap and the gate, while the CD4011/CD4066 circuit has a 10K pot. How much adjustment on hsync is likely to be needed between the PET and the first gate of the composite circuit? -- Ethan Dicks, A-333-S Current South Pole Weather at 13-Oct-2008 at 03:50 Z South Pole Station PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -54.4 F (-48.0 C) Windchill -76.4 F (-60.2 C) APO AP 96598 Wind 5.1 kts Grid 65 Barometer 671.7 mb (10943 ft) Ethan.Dicks at usap.gov http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html

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Old Computer Quiz

by aliensrcooluk＠yahoo.co.uk

Here's a short (10 question) 'old computer quiz'. It'll probably only be up for a week or so, but should be in the quiz archives after that. Admittedly, the last 3 questions are rather modern, but fit within the 10 year rule (except possibly Q10). http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7671677.stm For the record I failed the 1st question which I know I should have got after the recent discussion on Space War. I scored 8 out of 10, though with some questions only having 2 answers it's a bit 50:50! Regards, Andrew B aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk

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imsai.net

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

Does anyone know what's going on with imsai.net regarding the Series 2 machines? I looked at the site hoping to get a drive chassis, but that's gone along with related to communication with Todd Fischer. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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Transputer-based stuff on ebay

by a.financial.engineer＠gmail.com

Hi, I am moving and hence I need to sell some of my transputer hardware, books, and other stuff since space is limited.. In the coming weeks, I am going to post a ton of stuff on ebay..Check out the current stuff at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260303159467 Cheers, Fin Engineer

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Terminals available in West Sussex, UK

by paul＠frixxon.co.uk

I've been taking an inventory of my storage and the following terminals need to go, free to anyone who can come and pick them up. I don't have the time or inclination to ship them. Take one, take ten, I need them gone in the next month. These were all working when put into storage. Sorry, these are the dull ones. There will be more interesting ones later. 4 x VT320 (1 x -B3, 3 x -C3) 3 x VT420 (2 x -A4, 1 x -B4) 1 x VT510-B4 8 x VT520 (4 x -A4, 3 x -B4, 1 x -C4) > 13 x LK201 keyboards > 10 x LK401 keyboards approx. 20 Wyse WY-420 terminals + keyboards 1 x LA100-BB DEC Letterwriter 100 1 x DECserver 200/MC 1 x Wyse WY-50 + keyboard

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Interesting X terminals (was: NEC SX-4B on Ebay)

by ken＠seefried.com

> IIRC it's called a 'Princeton Ultra-X' Thought so. I worked for Princeton at one point, or rather, the company scooped them up. Inherited a warehouse full of them that they couldn't get rid on. Put them to reasonable use with Dell SVR4 servers on the back end. Unfortunately, they code was long in the tooth and full of bugs even then, so I don't image that they lasted too long. Used to have the source code, and the TI 34010 dev environment for Sun3. Undoubtedly gone in one purge or another. KJ P.S. - Dell SVR4 was an awfully good distro.

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Some PDP-8 software saved - Corrected link!

by hachti＠hachti.de

Hi again, Richard wrote: >> http://pdp8.hachti.de?download/lab8e_dectapes > > When I put this URL into IE7, I get a page that says "Not found! Go > home." The correct link is http://pdp8.hachti.de?software/lab8e_dectapes Sorry for any inconvenience! Ph :-)

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Some PDP-8 software saved

by hachti＠hachti.de

Hi folks, I just got a bunch of DECTapes. They're online: http://pdp8.hachti.de?download/lab8e_dectapes Does anyone know the "Advanced Averager"? It seems to be complicated and I don't have a clue what it is... It belongs to the LAB-8/e software package (resp. it IS the package). When I start it using the supplied .BI file, it says something like "trigger" and starts drawing a moving dot on the VR14 CRT.... Best wishes, Philipp :-) P.S.: Would cool to see the stuff on bitsavers :-)

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Mindset hard disk interface

by snhirsch＠gmail.com

Does anyone on the list know anything about this? I was given a Mindset with two plug-in modules: Mindset Host Adapter Interface Module Mindset Hard Disk Cartridge The former has a bus connector at one end and a DB37F on the other. No disk controller chip, just a bunch of TTL logic. I'm guessing either a proprietary bus or SCSI managed in software (a la Apple 2 Sider). The "Hard Disk Cartridge" contains a pair of EPROMs. Any information appreciated! Steve --

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Need to get rid of - Xypex switch

by dgahling＠hotmail.com

It's a rather old (on the order of 10 years) old Xyplex switch. it's an 8 slot or 12 slot chasis, I believe it runs BPG (Border Gateway Protocol). So it probably has about 40 ports or so... Hasn't been powered on in years. The ports may only be 10MB, perhaps 100MB at best. It's about the size of a bar fridge or a BA-23 chasis. weighs a lot. May be worth more to a scrap dealer. I need it gone by the end of the month, or I scrap it myself. last chance! Dan. _________________________________________________________________

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TI-980B

by save＠savesysteme.com

Hi Tim We are interested on the to 980b system Can you call or email back ASap Daniel Fecteau Save Syst?me Inc. 1368, Chemin Du Bord-de-L'eau Laval (Qu?bec) H7Y 1C4 Tel. (450) 969-1616 Ext.10 Fax.: (450) 969-5855 Courriel: save at savesysteme.com web: www.savesysteme.com

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Sparc desktop vs x86 desktop

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

It seems that Sun has discontinued (hopefully temporarily) desktop Sparc machines. Can someone tell me how the prices of these machines compared with their line of x86 machines? -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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Req: Help/Advice on Cromemco System

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On Sun, October 19, 2008 1:09 pm, Chuck Guzis wrote: >> Not to mention reliability! > > Yeah, but it's that nice toasty brown spot on the PCB where the > regulator is that lends a certain je ne sais quoi to the whole > experience. :) Yes! :) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL

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SGI and Sun mainboards

by rescue＠hawkmountain.net

SS10 mainboard SGI Indy mainboard SGI Indigo2 R4400 mainboard SGI Indigo2 non impact midplane SGI Indigo2 audio module -- Curt

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Sun + SGI plastic

by rescue＠hawkmountain.net

SS10 top, excellent condition SS20 top, excellent condition SGI Indigo 2 top (Purple), some scuffs, nice condition SGI Indigo 2 top (Teal), some scuffs, nice condition SGI Indigo 2 teal front 'door' plastics SGI Indy top, very nice condition Sun 411 case top, no scuffs or digs Make an offer, this stuff is just taking up space. -- Curt

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cctech Digest, Vol 62, Issue 40

by jefferwin＠gmail.com

> > > > > PL/M was my favorite language. In those days I was designing and > programming control and data acquisition systems for automotive R&D. > > How do you have Intel compilers and assemblers running on the Imsai? > You must have ISIS-II running on it. How much work was that to do? > > Dave I wish! Although it isn't a bad idea, if one could find the source to ISIS. I am running the ISIS simulator in a DOS box in WIndows XP which is running in Parallels on my Mac Pro quad procesor. I use ZTERM on the Mac as a dumb terminal and load programs using the 'send text' command. I wrote a hex loader into the SCS monitor which I have in EPROM in the IMSAI so I just send the hex output from OBJHEX to the loader through zterm. I am now working on the floppy primitives and perhaps eventually will try to get CPM running. ISIS would be more fun, any idea where the source is? I did a consulting gig with an automotive diagnostic company in Kalamazoo, MI back in 1979 when I was working at National Semtconductor. Great fun, although I had NO idea what I was doing, being less than a year out of UC Berkeley. Those were heady days! Jeff E

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Req: Help/Advice on Cromemco System

by dm561＠torfree.net

--------Original Message(s): ---------- From: M H Stein[SMTP:dm561 at torfree.net] Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 5:11 PM To: 'cctalk at classiccmp.org' Subject: Req: Help/Advice on Cromemco System -------------Original Message: Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 01:29:14 -0400 From: "Roy J. Tellason" <rtellason at verizon.net> Subject: Re: Req: Help/Advice on Cromemco System <snip> The catch, though, is that the System 3 needs a +24V supply as well, for the FDD. I have one, and it uses an oddball connector, too, which is one of the reasons I haven't gotten around to fixing the drive yet (which has problems), I need to make an extension power cable for the drive so it can be powered up and out in front of the case. (Snip) ----------------Reply: Sounds like you've got one of the later System 3's with a Tandon TM848; the older ones used dual-slot Perscis, which used 110VAC for the motor. And of course he could also use a 5 1/4" drive instead. m ---------Correction: It's been a while, and memory's fading - of course the Perscis also used 24VDC, for head load etc, so yes, that's a snag unless he uses 5 1/4s. m

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Req: Help/Advice on Cromemco System

by dm561＠torfree.net

-------------Original Message: Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 01:29:14 -0400 From: "Roy J. Tellason" <rtellason at verizon.net> Subject: Re: Req: Help/Advice on Cromemco System <snip> The catch, though, is that the System 3 needs a +24V supply as well, for the FDD. I have one, and it uses an oddball connector, too, which is one of the reasons I haven't gotten around to fixing the drive yet (which has problems), I need to make an extension power cable for the drive so it can be powered up and out in front of the case. (Snip) ----------------Reply: Sounds like you've got one of the later System 3's with a Tandon TM848; the older ones used dual-slot Perscis, which used 110VAC for the motor. And of course he could also use a 5 1/4" drive instead. m

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Req: Help/Advice on Cromemco System

by dm561＠torfree.net

----------Original Message: Message: 28 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:01:40 -0700 From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> Subject: Re: Req: Help/Advice on Cromemco System On 17 Oct 2008 at 12:21, Dave McGuire wrote: > > Since I have been unable to find any power supplies which provide > > the +/- 8 and +/- 16 volts, I just thought of an idea the other day > > of using a PC power supply and shorting out the on-board voltage > > regulators to allow them to work at the +5V and +12V of the power > > supply. In order to do that though, I would need a small (3-5 > > slot) motherboard to test a couple of cards together. > > I don't think it's going to be possible to short around the +5 and > +12 regulators in a PC power supply, as they're not discrete in that > way. Your best bet (IMO) is to surf eBay for an big open-frame > linear power supply. Brute-force linear is definitely the way to go. I'd be tempted to grab a couple of filament transformers, a couple of bridge rectifiers and some big caps. The great thing about S100 power supplies is that PSU regulation isn't important. A 6.3VAC filament transformer hooked through a bridge rectifier and a big electrolytic should be close enough. +/-16 could be furnished by a small 12.6v transformer. The real job of regulation is furnished on each board (usually something like 78xx 79xx linear regulator ICs). Cheers, Chuck -------------- -----------------Reply: A misunderstanding, I think: he's talking about shorting out the regulators on the *cards*, not in the PSU, and running regulated +5 & +/-12 on the bus; should be doable with a heavy enough bus and sufficient bypassing, in fact I think some manufacturers did indeed do just that. I have a Cromemco PSU BTW, but probably not worth shipping. mike

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AlphaServer 1000a troubles

by alexandre.laguejacques＠gmail.com

Hello all, This is a slightly modified version of the message that I've posted to comp.os.vms. Wanted to see if anyone here might have an idea. I'm trying to prepare an old AlphaServer 1000a with installed video card for an installation of VMS or Tru64. The difficulty starts when I turn it on. Sometimes the LCD on the front is active and displays the self tests and beeps once. More often than not, however, it remains blank and there is no beep. When the LCD _does_ turn on, the blue SRM console appears _temporarily_ some moments later on the monitor. For example, I notice that the tests have been successful and the machine gives me the ">>>" prompt. Then, about 1 min later, the screen goes dark -- even if I'm in the middle of typing something! Any ideas? Thanks, - Alex

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Req: Help/Advice on Cromemco System

by granz_consult＠hotmail.com

I have most of the stuff to put together a System 3. I have the card cage with the 21-slot motherboard and a bunch of cards. The manuals I got with the system include the Cromix manual, I have more than 1 64-K RAM card and at least one TPU, so I believe that mine was a multi-user system. I would like to put this back to near-original, but need a case and power supply. Since I have been unable to find any power supplies which provide the +/- 8 and +/- 16 volts, I just thought of an idea the other day of using a PC power supply and shorting out the on-board voltage regulators to allow them to work at the +5V and +12V of the power supply. In order to do that though, I would need a small (3-5 slot) motherboard to test a couple of cards together. If anyone has any of these available, I would be interested in obtaining them. I do not have much money, but do have some other old computer stuff that I can trade: a VAX Station 2000, an old Sun workstation, many, many old PC parts and systems, lots of electronic parts, lots of microcontroller stuff including several Dev Kits. Also if anyone has done this before please let me know how it went. Thanks, Art

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PLM/80 compiler docs

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> The one that Jeff is asking for is in this list. 9800268B It's now up under http://bitsavers.org/pdf/intel/PLM

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Newsgroups Server: freetext.usenetserver.com

by jhfinedp3k＠compsys.to

Does anyone use the following server for newsgroups? freetext.usenetserver.com [208.49.83.84] I am able to ping and get a response, but for the last 2 days, when I try to download posts from my favourite pdp-11 newsgroups, I get no reply. Can anyone help? Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine

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Disk Translation software (was Re: Looking for AT&T 3B1/UNIXPC/PC7300 software)

by feldman.r＠comcast.net

Message: 10 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:04:00 -0400 From: "Roy J. Tellason" <rtellason at verizon.net> Subject: Re: Looking for AT&T 3B1/UNIXPC/PC7300 software <snip> >I remember some of those, too, and in fact had some in the files section of >my bbs. But I also remember stuff that would deal with "foreign" formats, >in particular there was "Media Master" and "Uniform". The former was simply >a file transfer program, while the latter would actually "mount" a foreign >format disk under an otherwise unused drive letter, both of which I had >occasion to use under CP/M. I'm pretty sure that at least MM was available >under DOS as well, dunno about Uniform. I have MS-DOS versions of Media Master and Uniform, if anyone is interested in a copy. As I remember Media Master, it would let you set up a drive as the foreign type, to read/write/format a disk (except you could not format a Kaypro and one other type using MM). Bob

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West Coast VCF scheduled this year?

by stevew＠intrinsix.com

Is it going to happen? Thanks, Steve Wilson

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Q on 3.5" Sony floppy drive

by rescue＠hawkmountain.net

I have MP-F17W-50L I've tried to use this on a PC (long time ago), and it wouldn't work. It came out of Codex equipment... Unsure if there is just some magic jumpers required, or this was custom made for Codex. So, anyone know anything about that model drive ? -- Curt

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Antique Intel Intellect MDS-230 computer - $550 in Phoenix

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

Saw this on Oct 10th Craigslist: http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/sys/874746543.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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PLM/80 compiler docs

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> I will start scanning the PL/M-80 syntax manual next week. here is a list of Intel documents that have already been scanned. 121539-003 121539-005 121570-002 121575-003 121609-003 121612-001 121616-001 121616-002 121616-004 121617-001a 121618-002 121628-001 121628-003 121636-002 121636-003 121703-002 121711-001 121748-001 121752-001 121753-001 121753-004 121756-002 121756-003 121757-002 121757-005 121758-003 121776-002 121880-001 121966-003 122014-002 122015-001 122085-001 134860-001 142721-003 142887-001 142926-004 142978-001 142982-002 9800292-04d 9800306-06 9800317D 9800463b 9800478-04 9800555-02 9800556-02 9800559-03 9800559-05 9800605-02b 9800639-03 9800639-04e 9800642-02 9800672-02 9800758-02 9800819-03 9800902-02 9800938-01 9800949-01 9803122-02 9803123-05 9803124-02 ice85 prompt48 serIII_Schem serIIrom_rev_1.2 9800447-03_79 121539-001_pascal86 121725-001_8087lib 9800481a_fortran80 9800640-02_86macro 9800478-04D_plm86operInstr 9800967-01_flp_nov79 121703-003_asm86 9800133F_promProg 210341-004_jun83 9800292D_isisII8080macro 162180-001A_hse-49_Oct80 121797-001_uSftUtilSw_nov81 9800451A_sdk85um_jul77 121570-003_fort86ug 9800758-02_basic80 9800452-03_8080fpLib 9800268B_PLMprogMan 9800902-02_isisIIcredit 121624-001_x86macro 121776-002_runtime 9800268b_plm80 121956-001_alterTextEditor 121570-001_fortran86 9800641-02_isisIIx86macro 121539-003_pascal86 9800642-02_x86asmConv 9800301-04_8080asmLang 145412-001_videotex_mar83 143587-001_edit 121505-002_ddenUpgr

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Sparc desktop vs x86 desktop

by williams.dan＠gmail.com

2008/10/16 Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com>: > At 12:21 PM +0100 10/16/08, Dan Williams wrote: >> >> I have just bought a dual 900mhz Sparc machine with 2gb memory. for >> ?130. I haven't got it yet. But I am quite sure it will be fast enough >> to use as a desktop machine. Also should be fairly quick at compiling >> bits and pieces. > > Is it a SunBlade 1000 by any chance? If so you'd better have a good A/C in > the room. :-( I've only been able to run mine in the dead of winter when I > could open the door and let cool air in. > > Zane > > > -- No it's a 2000. It's a lot bigger, noiser and heavier then I was expecting. I was thinking it was just a tower machine. I didn't realise the depth of it. Any idea how well these run with Solaris 10, do you know if it would run any quicker with 8 or 9. Dan > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | > | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | > >

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Symbolics Genera

by alexandre.laguejacques＠gmail.com

Thanks to those who responded publicly and privately to my request for information. It appears that OpenGenera, the port of Genera to the Alpha running Tru64, is the quickest way to gain exposure to the operating system. (Which is why you'll notice my previous messages concerning one of my misbehaving Alphas. The other is running OpenVMS 8.3 -- no touch!) Will try to get my hands on a copy. The hardware -- i.e. a real Symbolics computer or alternatively an Alpha or a Mac with the necessary hard or software -- can be had from the source (David Schimdt) but it's not cheap and he's based in Virginia. Which is not to say that it's not an interesting offer -- I just need to try the OS first! - Alex

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INS2651 uses

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

I have a sparsely-populated S100 board carrying an INS2651 chip and a 50-pin header. There's little other clue as to the function of this board. I'm guessing it's a floppy drive interface of some sort, but the maker and model have me guessing. I've never heard of "Alloy Eng. C.P.D.". What appears to be a model number is "DWG NO. 100055 REV. H". Does anyone know anything helpful about this? -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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Line printer available

by djg＠pdp8.net

A digital line printer LG05 Plus is available for pickup in Gaithersburg MD. Comes with spare ribbons and a box of paper. This is a high speed dot matrix line printer for the standard wide pinfeed paper. 500 LPM. 29"x27"x41". Its a little too new for my pdp-8 collection, deafening drum or chain is more appropriate. http://www.sinca.biz/compaq-line-printer-speed-500-lpm-lg05-plus-lg05plus-p… .html May have windows drivers for people without vaxes. http://www.tallygenicom.com/support/line/LG-drv.htm Reply to me, not list.

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DEC OMNIBUS Signal Definitions

by djg＠pdp8.net

>I'm looking for a reference document that defines the functions of the >various signals on the DEC PDP 8/e/f/m Omnibus. It's in here, see chapter 9 http://www.pdp8online.com/pdp8cgi/query_docs/queryb.pl?level=1D-09-100;id=1…

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Req: Help/Advice on Cromemco System

by dm561＠torfree.net

---------------Original Message: Message: 11 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:15:03 -0400 From: "Granz" <granz_consult at hotmail.com> Subject: Req: Help/Advice on Cromemco System I have most of the stuff to put together a System 3. I have the card cage with the 21-slot motherboard and a bunch of cards. The manuals I got with the system include the Cromix manual, I have more than 1 64-K RAM card and at least one TPU, so I believe that mine was a multi-user system. I would like to put this back to near-original, but need a case and power supply. Since I have been unable to find any power supplies which provide the +/- 8 and +/- 16 volts, I just thought of an idea the other day of using a PC power supply and shorting out the on-board voltage regulators to allow them to work at the +5V and +12V of the power supply. In order to do that though, I would need a small (3-5 slot) motherboard to test a couple of cards together. If anyone has any of these available, I would be interested in obtaining them. I do not have much money, but do have some other old computer stuff that I can trade: a VAX Station 2000, an old Sun workstation, many, many old PC parts and systems, lots of electronic parts, lots of microcontroller stuff including several Dev Kits. Also if anyone has done this before please let me know how it went. Thanks, Art --------------Reply: In my Cromemco pile I have a System3 that I will probably scrap, but I don't suppose that's much help since shipping for the box & PS would be pretty steep. Why not just use your backplane for your test? What's a TPU? Did you mean ZPU or DPU by any chance? The most important card in a Cromemco is probably the FDC; hope you've got a working one. Pretty well every Cromemco manual has been scanned and is on the Web in several places; good luck! mike

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dead 4114's was: Re: Tektronix 4108 terminal?

by legalize＠xmission.com

Appendix B for the 4113 appears identical to the Appendix B in the 4114 Operator's Manual that's online. <http://vt100.net/manx/details/5,16299> -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>

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PLM/80 compiler docs

by jefferwin＠gmail.com

<snip> Love the old update letters. I was working for Intel in Oregon back then on the 380 and 310 RMX development systems. We never saw anything that went out to actual customers. The compiler cost $250? Wow. I appreciate the scanning of the docs. If you email me the actual docs I will get them up on the various archive sites as well. There could be other dinosaurs out there looking for it. I am able to compile and run PLM80 apps on my Imsai 8080 now, I am rewriting all of my floppy drive control stuff from asm80 to plm80 as we speak. I have forgotten how much easier PLM was from asm80! Thanks again for the info. Jeff Erwin > > > > > Sorry about using facts. ;) I was really trying to validate MY rusty > brain cells. One thing I do claim is a pretty good knowledge of > PL/M-80. In the old days I did many projects with PL/M-80 and some with > PL/M-51, and I think I still remember it. A couple of years ago I was > able to write a small program in PL/M-80 using one of my working MDS's > and get it to compile and run without opening the manual. > > > > The one thing that seems to have changed from V3 to V4 is the following > > statement: > > > > In V3: DECLARE HELLO DATA ('Hello world.'); > > in V4: DECLARE HELLO (*) BYTE DATA ('Hello world.'); > > > > There are other subtle changes I have found. I discovered these as I was > > using older PLM source code for CPM as a programming example, and certain > > constructs were being rejected by the V4 compiler. > > > > I could also just be screwing something up. I always reserve the right > to > > do that... > > > > I *was* wrong when I said that DATA was used to initialize a variable at > run time. The DATA construct puts the variable initialization into ROM > and therefore that variable can't be changed at runtime. It is fixed. > The "*" in the array length declaration is called "implicit array > length" and just means that the array is defined to be the length needed > to hold the contents that follow the word DATA in the declaration. > > That implicit (*) specifier was part of the syntax in the very first > version of PL/M-80 that ran on the MDS. It was NOT part of the syntax > for the original cross-compiler that was written in Fortran for mainframes. > > I have found all my PL/M-80 documentation and it is a treasure trove. I > have a short document from Intel that tells a programmer what has to be > changed in source code in order for a cross-compiler compliant program > to compile on the resident compiler. In that document it talks about > the implicit specifier. So that construct was in the very first > resident compiler (V1.0). > > In your example above, if the line you label V3 would actually compile > correctly in V3, then it was not documented to work that way. It may > have passed the compiler syntax check, but the manual never specified it > would. If the (*) was required for V4 to be happy, it was a case of the > compiler now enforcing what was *always* documented as the correct syntax. > > > > > > > >> I have the "ISIS-II PL/M-80 Compiler Operator's Manual", no. 9800300-04, > >> dated 3/82. It is the manual that was issued specifically for V4.0 of > >> the compiler. There are several "$" commands listed. All those "$" > >> commands are also listed in the V3.0/V3.1 version of that manual > >> (9800300C). > >> > > > > > > I have this for V3, I figured out the V4 compiler commands by going > through > > the PLM80 executable. V3 used the $P=1 construct, V4 used the > $CODE/$NOCODE > > constructs which were a lot clearer. The $P=1 model does not work with > the > > V4 compiler I have, the one with the overlays. > > > > $CODE and $NOCODE worked with V3.0 of the compiler. I have that in the > documentation and I remember it. It would force 8080 assembly language > equivalent to be placed into the listing file generated by the > compiler. The $P=1 directive is unfamiliar to me. It is not in the > manuals that I have and I don't remember it. Do you have an example of > that? What does it do? It must predate the V3 compiler. > > > > >> The Programming Manual did not change from V3.0 to V4.0. The language > >> was really the same. I programmed a lot in those days and I never had > >> to change anything moving from V3 to V4. > >> > > > > > > It would be interesting to look up the DATA syntax above in V3 and V4 and > > see what is confusing me. > > > There is no mention of DATA in the operators manual. And, as I said, > the syntax manual is the same. It didn't change from V3 to V4. > > > >> I think the main changes from 3 to 4 had to do with newer operating > >> system environments. Newer versions of ISIS-II could have more than the > >> four or six or seven disk drives by allowing networked drive assignments > >> up through :F9:. File names could be longer, as well. I think those > >> were some of the differences from V3.x to V4.0. But the language syntax > >> was the same. > >> > >> > >>>>> Specifically, I am in need of: > >>>>> > >>>>> 98-00268B plm 80 programming manual, V4 > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks. > >>>>> > >>>>> Jeff Erwin > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > Can I offer to pay you for a copy of the two manuals you refer to above? > > > > Jeff Erwin > > > > > I will work on scanning these manuals. You don't have to pay me. It > won't happen right away, but I will do it. Watch for further updates! > > For now, here are a few interesting documents. > > http://home.comcast.net/%7Ehp41cx/PLM/V4_letter.jpg > > http://home.comcast.net/%7Ehp41cx/PLM/V4_dear_PLM_owner.jpg > > http://home.comcast.net/%7Ehp41cx/PLM/V4_dear_PLM_owner (2).jpg > > http://home.comcast.net/%7Ehp41cx/PLM/V4_update.jpg > > > Dave > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:05:23 -0500 > From: Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Great day at Tek > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <48F89BA3.10803 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed > > Randy Dawson wrote: > > I want a Ardent or Stellar or Stardent if any body finds one being > dumped. > > Someone contacted me early in the year about an Ardent going surplus in > Colorado, then the conversation went quiet on me :( I should do some more > digging on that one and see what happened to it. > > I still want a Tex XD88/30, should you see one at your surplus sales :-) > I'll > get my XD88/10 shipped here at some point, but I'd still like to mess > around > with the 24-bit version! > > cheers > > Jules > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:15:03 -0400 > From: "Granz" <granz_consult at hotmail.com> > Subject: Req: Help/Advice on Cromemco System > To: <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <BAY141-DAV10D69972705E072E06CC7A8C320 at phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have most of the stuff to put together a System 3. I have the card cage > with the 21-slot motherboard and a bunch of cards. The manuals I got with > the system include the Cromix manual, I have more than 1 64-K RAM card and > at least one TPU, so I believe that mine was a multi-user system. I would > like to put this back to near-original, but need a case and power supply. > > Since I have been unable to find any power supplies which provide the +/- 8 > and +/- 16 volts, I just thought of an idea the other day of using a PC > power supply and shorting out the on-board voltage regulators to allow them > to work at the +5V and +12V of the power supply. In order to do that > though, I would need a small (3-5 slot) motherboard to test a couple of > cards together. > > If anyone has any of these available, I would be interested in obtaining > them. I do not have much money, but do have some other old computer stuff > that I can trade: a VAX Station 2000, an old Sun workstation, many, many old > PC parts and systems, lots of electronic parts, lots of microcontroller > stuff including several Dev Kits. > > Also if anyone has done this before please let me know how it went. > > Thanks, > > Art > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:53:20 +0100 > From: "Dan Williams" <williams.dan at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Sparc desktop vs x86 desktop > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: > <26c11a640810170753r69d1112fnc875f85e88d5644e at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > 2008/10/16 Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com>: > > At 12:21 PM +0100 10/16/08, Dan Williams wrote: > >> > >> I have just bought a dual 900mhz Sparc machine with 2gb memory. for > >> ?130. I haven't got it yet. But I am quite sure it will be fast enough > >> to use as a desktop machine. Also should be fairly quick at compiling > >> bits and pieces. > > > > Is it a SunBlade 1000 by any chance? If so you'd better have a good A/C > in > > the room. :-( I've only been able to run mine in the dead of winter when > I > > could open the door and let cool air in. > > > > Zane > > > > > > -- > No it's a 2000. It's a lot bigger, noiser and heavier then I was > expecting. I was thinking it was just a tower machine. I didn't > realise the depth of it. > Any idea how well these run with Solaris 10, do you know if it would > run any quicker with 8 or 9. > > Dan > > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > > | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > > | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | > > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > > | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > > | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | > > | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/<http://www.aracnet.com/%7Ehealyzh/> | > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:21:08 -0400 > From: "Curtis H. Wilbar Jr." <rescue at hawkmountain.net> > Subject: 2 items for $5 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <48F8AD64.4060204 at hawkmountain.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > pick any two items and they are just $5 + actual shipping costs. > let me know ASAP if you want anything here, as this stuff will be > going to the trash by Sunday. > > If you are local to me, you can pick up anything on this list for > free.... but let me know ASAP so I can put it aside for you. > > > PCI RAID card, SCSI HVD (differential), for Alpha (so I'm told) > Sun 501-1720 SLC mainboard w/o NVRAM > Sun 501-1720 SLC mainboard (w (dead?) NVRAM) > 501-1840 Sbus expansion sbus card > Coleco ADAM setup manual > Artecon SmartBox adapter board (Artecon's version of sbus expansion) > Global Villiage teleport Platinum Fax Modem model A812 (for Mac) > Maxtor RXT-800S Magneto Optical drive (not tested (no media)) > Syquest SparQ 1.0GB internal drive (not tested (no media)) > Corporate Systems Center PCI DIFF SCSI card (HVD), for sparc ? > Compaq drive 'sled' for Pentium II (and III ?) generation > -- has the two purple tabs/levers on the left/right ediges > LaCie FM radio tuner for Macs (ADB) > Performance Technology PT-PCI450 SCSI 3 Ultra Wide Fast Diff (HVD) (Sun?) > 2 PCI FDDI cards > Olicom OC-3161 16 serial port ISA card (just ISA card) > 2 x 5G + 1 x 4G laptop hard drives (password locked?) > SyQuest EZ Drive 135M EZ135EXT,P/PORT parallel port drive untested > SyQuest SQ555 40M drive > Sun 501-1861 ELC board untested > Apple QuickTake Battery Charger KB-39PA (4xAA charger) > Sparcstation 20 hard drive 'carrier' > 1G SCA scsi drives > HP Deskjet 600Cse (needs new ink cartridge) > Compaq PS4000 Power supply compaq part number 270371-001 > HP C2490A 2G differential SCSI drives 3.5" HH (6 available) > Compaq LCD front panel for Proliant 6000 and others > Sealed Copy of PC Anywhere 9.0 > Sealed copy of McAfee VirusScan Security Suite (from the 90s) > > -- Curt > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:34:13 -0400 > From: "Curtis H. Wilbar Jr." <rescue at hawkmountain.net> > Subject: FS: $5 + $10 items > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <48F8B075.7030702 at hawkmountain.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > $5 Items (plus actual ship, or you pick up in Sharon or Cambridge, MA) > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > APEX Outlook EL-84DT (with the DT crossed out and SP handwritten) > - 8 port serial concentrator > > Indigo 2 audio module > - 2 available > > 4 x 8M 72 pin SIMMS for SGI with gold fingers > - 2 sets available > > DEC Turbo Channel PMAG A card > > HP Printer PAL (turns LJ III, III/D/P, 4, 4P/L/PLUS, 5P) into laser fax > machine > - new sealed in box > > 2G SCA SCSI drive > - multiple available > > 4G SCA SCSI drive > - multiple available > > Maxtor MXT1240S 50 pin 1.2 G SCSI drive (3.5" HH) > - these drives somtimes don't spin up on first power on > > SGI PM3 Indigo 2 CPU (200MHz 1M cache) > > > $10 Items (plus actual ship, or you pick up in Sharon or Cambridge, MA) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 9G SCA SCSI drive > - multiple available > > SPARCClassic, no HD, 6 x 501-1991 SIMMs > > Ultra 10 with 333MHz 2M cache CPU, no ram, no HD > > Mouse Systems PC Jr Mouse (optical, no pad (could use pad from Sun)) > > 3Com 3C597TX Fast Ethernet EISA (use on Indigo 2 for 100baseTX !) > > > > > Let me know if there is anything here you want.... before I scrap > some of it, ebay other bits, etc... > > -- Curt > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:23:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com> > Subject: Re: Sparc desktop vs x86 desktop > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Message-ID: <200810171623.m9HGNgAU030912 at onyx.spiritone.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Is it a SunBlade 1000 by any chance? If so you'd better have a good > A/C in > > > the room. :-( I've only been able to run mine in the dead of winter > when I > > > could open the door and let cool air in. > > > > > > Zane > > > > > > > > > -- > > No it's a 2000. It's a lot bigger, noiser and heavier then I was > > expecting. I was thinking it was just a tower machine. I didn't > > realise the depth of it. > > Any idea how well these run with Solaris 10, do you know if it would > > run any quicker with 8 or 9. > > OK, I'm not sure but I think the 2000 is probably about as hot as the 1000, > as it is basically the same system, and I believe the 900Mhz CPU's are the > same part (I have dual 750Mhz CPU's in my 1000). I don't consider my 1000 > to be noisy, but it is BIG and HEAVY! In some ways I regret retiring my > dual 450Mhz Ultra 60, but the dual 750's with 4GB RAM make for a nicer > machine. I run mine with Solaris 10, but I tend to run CDE rather than the > Gnome based desktop as the Gnome desktop seems sluggish. > > The sad thing is, since it runs so hot, the main thing I've used my system > for is to low-level format SCA SCSI HD's (in an external JBOD) prior to > installing the drives in my OpenVMS system. I'd really like to upgrade to > a > nice Sun Ultra 24 system, but can't justify the expense (a Mac Pro would > make more sense for me). > > Zane > > > > End of cctech Digest, Vol 62, Issue 38 > ************************************** >

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L&S 7105 Color Terminal

by silent700＠gmail.com

I took delivery tonight of this most interesting apparatus: http://picasaweb.google.com/Silent700/LearSiegler7105Terminal# I can find zero info out on the Internets about it. Has anyone seen/used/captured one? It seems to be ANSI and VT52 compatible, as well as a custom graphics language. I've yet to hook it up to a host, but that's coming soon. The setup screens are quite dazzling as they are, but I'd like to see what else it can do. I do know that my setup parameters are "questionable." I'd like to get the manual scanned for preservation as well, but I'd rather not destroy it to do so. So I guess it's one page at a time on the ol' flatbed... j

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Great day at Tek

by rdawson16＠hotmail.com

Gang, I went to the Tektronix surplus sale today for the first time. Wow! welcome to Beaverton! I Picked up a 7004A and half a dozen plug ins for $90; 2006 cal tags on everything and it works fine. I also got a Dell P4 1.76 Ghz 40G hard drive PC for $35, boots up fine too. I plan to go on this by-monthly visit so if you need a good scope or parts let me know. I want a Ardent or Stellar or Stardent if any body finds one being dumped. Randy Dawson _________________________________________________________________ Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/wedowindowslive.spaces.live.com-Blog-cn…

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need schematic for BLC 80/05 multibus board

by jonb＠meyersound.com

I am a volunteer at the Oakland Aviation Museum. We are trying to restore a 1980 vintage cockpit training system. It contains a Multibus board by National Semiconductor, model BLC 80/05 (along with dual CA Naked Minis, and several other 8085 boards). Evidently this is a knockoff of the Intel SBC 80/05. We are trying to locate documentation for this board so that we can repair it. We are in desperate need of a schematic. Even an SBC 80/05 schematic may help. Any help or pointers would be greatly appreciated. --jon CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attachment hereto may contain confidential information of Meyer Sound Laboratories, Incorporated and is intended for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient), you have received this message in error and any review, distribution, or copying of this message or any attachment hereto is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please promptly notify the sender and permanently delete it from your computer.

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NEC SX-4B on Ebay

by auringer＠tds.net

There is an NEC "supercomputer" currently with no bids ($100 starting) on Ebay (140272067125). I would hate to see it get scrapped, but I am not in a position to buy it. There are not many hits on the auction page, so I thought I would spread the word here. Only a few hours left. Jon

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A classic tale: looking for bits

by IanK＠vulcan.com

Not too long ago I scored a DEC VSXXX-AB graphics tablet on eBay, but after I'd put in the bid I realized I'd forgotten to verify that it came with the stylus and/or puck. Needless to say, it didn't. <sigh> So now I'm looking for one, the other, or preferably both, preferably not too costly (I want to hook this up to my own DECstation 5000 at home). Anyone have such a thing rattling about in a drawer? Thanks - Ian UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. Ian S. King, Vintage Systems Engineer Vulcan, Inc. http://www.pdpplanet.org

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Looking for Gifford's Concurrent Dos-86 for CompuPro 8-16

by jimgeneva＠dorisland.net

Do you only have 8 inch disks or do you hae 5.25 disks as well? jim

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Things to do in Florida panhandle?

by evan＠snarc.net

I'm making plans to be in the Florida panhandle on May 2nd next year. (a relative's college graduation). I will be staying in Fort Walton Beach, although I can get a rental car. Anything to do there for a vintage computer geek like me? Or, anyone have a big collection there and just want to hang out?

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FS: $5 + $10 items

by rescue＠hawkmountain.net

$5 Items (plus actual ship, or you pick up in Sharon or Cambridge, MA) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- APEX Outlook EL-84DT (with the DT crossed out and SP handwritten) - 8 port serial concentrator Indigo 2 audio module - 2 available 4 x 8M 72 pin SIMMS for SGI with gold fingers - 2 sets available DEC Turbo Channel PMAG A card HP Printer PAL (turns LJ III, III/D/P, 4, 4P/L/PLUS, 5P) into laser fax machine - new sealed in box 2G SCA SCSI drive - multiple available 4G SCA SCSI drive - multiple available Maxtor MXT1240S 50 pin 1.2 G SCSI drive (3.5" HH) - these drives somtimes don't spin up on first power on SGI PM3 Indigo 2 CPU (200MHz 1M cache) $10 Items (plus actual ship, or you pick up in Sharon or Cambridge, MA) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9G SCA SCSI drive - multiple available SPARCClassic, no HD, 6 x 501-1991 SIMMs Ultra 10 with 333MHz 2M cache CPU, no ram, no HD Mouse Systems PC Jr Mouse (optical, no pad (could use pad from Sun)) 3Com 3C597TX Fast Ethernet EISA (use on Indigo 2 for 100baseTX !) Let me know if there is anything here you want.... before I scrap some of it, ebay other bits, etc... -- Curt

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2 items for $5

by rescue＠hawkmountain.net

pick any two items and they are just $5 + actual shipping costs. let me know ASAP if you want anything here, as this stuff will be going to the trash by Sunday. If you are local to me, you can pick up anything on this list for free.... but let me know ASAP so I can put it aside for you. PCI RAID card, SCSI HVD (differential), for Alpha (so I'm told) Sun 501-1720 SLC mainboard w/o NVRAM Sun 501-1720 SLC mainboard (w (dead?) NVRAM) 501-1840 Sbus expansion sbus card Coleco ADAM setup manual Artecon SmartBox adapter board (Artecon's version of sbus expansion) Global Villiage teleport Platinum Fax Modem model A812 (for Mac) Maxtor RXT-800S Magneto Optical drive (not tested (no media)) Syquest SparQ 1.0GB internal drive (not tested (no media)) Corporate Systems Center PCI DIFF SCSI card (HVD), for sparc ? Compaq drive 'sled' for Pentium II (and III ?) generation -- has the two purple tabs/levers on the left/right ediges LaCie FM radio tuner for Macs (ADB) Performance Technology PT-PCI450 SCSI 3 Ultra Wide Fast Diff (HVD) (Sun?) 2 PCI FDDI cards Olicom OC-3161 16 serial port ISA card (just ISA card) 2 x 5G + 1 x 4G laptop hard drives (password locked?) SyQuest EZ Drive 135M EZ135EXT,P/PORT parallel port drive untested SyQuest SQ555 40M drive Sun 501-1861 ELC board untested Apple QuickTake Battery Charger KB-39PA (4xAA charger) Sparcstation 20 hard drive 'carrier' 1G SCA scsi drives HP Deskjet 600Cse (needs new ink cartridge) Compaq PS4000 Power supply compaq part number 270371-001 HP C2490A 2G differential SCSI drives 3.5" HH (6 available) Compaq LCD front panel for Proliant 6000 and others Sealed Copy of PC Anywhere 9.0 Sealed copy of McAfee VirusScan Security Suite (from the 90s) -- Curt

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cctech Digest, Vol 62, Issue 34

by jefferwin＠gmail.com

> > <snip> > > > Ok, Jeff, I am wondering what you might be referring to. I think you > might be thinking of PL/M-86, which I'm not that familiar with. No, it's definitely PLM80 I am currently using. > > > Intel, generally, would issue two manuals for PL/M-80 (and ASM-80 as > well). One manual is the PL/M-80 Programming Manual and one is the > ISIS-II PL/M-80 Compiler Operator's Manual. I have in front of me the > "PL/M-80 Programming Manual", no. 9800268B, which is dated 1977, and the > DATA construct is in it. It is used at load time to set initial values > of variables. I believe that this manual applies to several versions of > PL/M-80, including V4 and earlier ones. It is basically a syntax manual. Well...if you are going to let facts get in the way.... Your actual manual wins out over my rusty brain cells. It is the manual above, the Programmers Manual, that I lust after. The one thing that seems to have changed from V3 to V4 is the following statement: In V3: DECLARE HELLO DATA ('Hello world.'); in V4: DECLARE HELLO (*) BYTE DATA ('Hello world.'); There are other subtle changes I have found. I discovered these as I was using older PLM source code for CPM as a programming example, and certain constructs were being rejected by the V4 compiler. I could also just be screwing something up. I always reserve the right to do that... > > I have the "ISIS-II PL/M-80 Compiler Operator's Manual", no. 9800300-04, > dated 3/82. It is the manual that was issued specifically for V4.0 of > the compiler. There are several "$" commands listed. All those "$" > commands are also listed in the V3.0/V3.1 version of that manual > (9800300C). I have this for V3, I figured out the V4 compiler commands by going through the PLM80 executable. V3 used the $P=1 construct, V4 used the $CODE/$NOCODE constructs which were a lot clearer. The $P=1 model does not work with the V4 compiler I have, the one with the overlays. > > > The Programming Manual did not change from V3.0 to V4.0. The language > was really the same. I programmed a lot in those days and I never had > to change anything moving from V3 to V4. It would be interesting to look up the DATA syntax above in V3 and V4 and see what is confusing me. > > > I think the main changes from 3 to 4 had to do with newer operating > system environments. Newer versions of ISIS-II could have more than the > four or six or seven disk drives by allowing networked drive assignments > up through :F9:. File names could be longer, as well. I think those > were some of the differences from V3.x to V4.0. But the language syntax > was the same. > > > > >>> Specifically, I am in need of: > >>> > >>> 98-00268B plm 80 programming manual, V4 > >>> > >>> Thanks. > >>> > >>> Jeff Erwin > >>> > >>> By the way, I am running the ISIS-II emulator in a DOS box under > windows, > >>> itself an emulator. Windows is running under Parallels on my Mac Pro > >>> > > which > > > >>> is running OSx. Is it possible to get further from reality here?? > >>> > >>> > > > Can I offer to pay you for a copy of the two manuals you refer to above? Jeff Erwin > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 27 > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:50:44 -0500 > From: wgungfu at uwm.edu > Subject: RE: article ref to 50th birthday of video games > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <1224111044.48f673c4a3527 at panthermail.uwm.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Except both are computer games, not video games, despite the PR move by > some > companies to push them as otherwise. This was already all hashed out in > the > courts. > > Marty > > Quoting Paul_Koning at Dell.com: > > > Neat. That predates the PDP-1 "spacewar" game, which I had thought of as > the > > oldest. And it may still be the oldest video game on a digital computer. > > > > paul > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto: > cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On > > Behalf Of Brent Hilpert > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:17 PM > > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > > Subject: article ref to 50th birthday of video games > > > > Old news for many here perhaps, but here's a writeup about physicist > William > > Higinbotham's creation of "Tennis-for-two" at Brookhaven Labs in 1958: > > > > http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/10/15/tech-games.html > > > > Mentions how the initial inspiration came from reading the manual for an > > analog > > computer and how it could be used for ballistic trajectory calculations. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 28 > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:51:08 -0400 (EDT) > From: Alexandre Lag?e-Jacques <alexandre.laguejacques at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Symbolics Genera (was "NEC SX-4B on Ebay") > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0810151845510.2697 at localhost.localdomain> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII > > >>> It's a UNIX box, man. The most (programmer-)friendly OS in > >>> existence. At least for even moderately technical people. > >> There are UNIX-compatible people and non-UNIX-compatible people (cf > >> Unix Hater's Handbook). > > > >Even aside from that, I'm not convinced. I think Symbolics Genera is > >arguably more programmer-friendly, though that could just be because I > >find Lisp a much nicer language than C. (There may be even better > >OSes; that's just what I have personal experience with.) > > This message pertains to der Mouse's comment... Out of idle curiosity I > looked up Symbolics Genera and the story of the Lisp machines... > Fascinating! Any idea of how to get one's hands on such a machine? eBay is > not forthcoming although they have been mentioned in some old messages on > cctalk. > > - Alex > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 29 > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:02:08 +0200 > From: "Stephane Tsacas" <stephane.tsacas at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Symbolics Genera (was "NEC SX-4B on Ebay") > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: > <ebdb53760810151602u51d44595o5939528172f405b7 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > 2008/10/16 Alexandre Lag?e-Jacques <alexandre.laguejacques at gmail.com> > > > It's a UNIX box, man. The most (programmer-)friendly OS in > >>>> existence. At least for even moderately technical people. > >>>> > >>> There are UNIX-compatible people and non-UNIX-compatible people (cf > >>> Unix Hater's Handbook). > >>> > >> > >> Even aside from that, I'm not convinced. I think Symbolics Genera is > >> arguably more programmer-friendly, though that could just be because I > >> find Lisp a much nicer language than C. (There may be even better > >> OSes; that's just what I have personal experience with.) > >> > > > > This message pertains to der Mouse's comment... Out of idle curiosity I > > looked up Symbolics Genera and the story of the Lisp machines... > > Fascinating! Any idea of how to get one's hands on such a machine? > > > Check : > http://www.unlambda.com/cadr/index.html > Nice CADR emulator, works. > > St?phane > (Looking for a Nova switch key). > > > End of cctech Digest, Vol 62, Issue 34 > ************************************** >

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Printers, printer parts (dye sub, laser, and inkjet), maintenance manuals

by rescue＠hawkmountain.net

I have: Tektronix Phaser 350 Model 2350 Options FX has PhaserShare Ethernet Card installed got it to spit out one page... was messy... might just need new ink and a good cleaning. I will part this out ... or free for local pickup (Sharon, MA or Cambridge, MA) Xerox DocuPrint P12 laser printer had paper feed issue... feeds ok with printer at 45 degree angle but not resting flat on desk. Did not investigate why... should be a simple fix (maybe even just clean paper feed roller?) free for local pickup (Sharon, MA or Cambridge, MA) HP Deskjet 660Cse inkjet printer will need new ink cartridge(s) free for local pickup (Sharon, MA or Cambridge MA) or $5 + actual ship Laserjet 98A toner cartridge, 2 (1 new in box, 1 new not in box) (for LJ4s and LJ5s) (would trade for LJ6 carts) Brother TN-5000PF toner for IntelliFAX FAX2750/3550/3650/3750 MFC-4450/4550/4550PLUS/4660 6550MC/6680MC/7550MC/7650MC/7750MC Digital LN03 toner kits Digital LN03 maintenance kits Digital LN03 Programmer Reference Manual Apple Service Technical Procedures for Laser Printers this covers the original Apple LaserWriter p/n 072-0163 TI Microlaser Personal Laser Printer Maintenance Manual p/n 2559877-0001 Canon SX engine laser printer parts (LaserWriter II/IINT/IINTX/IIF/IIG, Laserjet II, III, QMS PS810/PS815) including fans, power supplies, gears, logic boards (LaserWriter IINT, QMS PS810), etc. Anything not labelled free is make an offer. Some of this stuff will hit the dumpster by mid next week if not sooner. -- Curt

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OT: Administrative Issue

by lists＠databasics.us

Hello, All, Many thanks to those who offered assistance in my attempt to change my address on the list. I was successful. Apparently, the sixth time is the charm. Previous to writing, I followed the methods listed in the suggestions, including changing my current account, and adding a new account. Nothing worked. I went in through the main page of classiccmp.org. But, when I followed the links given in the suggestion messages, it worked. I don't understand it, but, I accept the results. <Grin> Again, thank you to all who responded, publicly and privately... This is a good crowd. Sincerely, Warren Wolfe

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Need help with dead 11/23+

by charlesmorris800＠centurytel.net

Now that my VT220 is working again after I replaced the defective LK201 keyboard, the 11/23+ (4 Mb, two RL02's) it's attached to has died!! Last week, although the keyboard was dead, it would come up as far as the prompt: 2048. KW START? to which I couldn't enter the usual "Y", of course. Now nothing comes up at all and the RUN lamp lights for about 3 seconds, then goes out. About 6-8 seconds later it flashes briefly. Entering various things from the keyboard e.g. Y<CR>, 773000G<CR> etc. has no apparent effect. Installing the "Field Service Test Jumper" (console port loopback) causes characters to echo to the screen, so the VT220 and port are ok. I pulled all the boards except the CPU - no change. +5 and +12 supplies (measured on the board) are spot-on according to my Fluke DVM. LED's lit on the KDF-11BA board are: green (Power), and D4 and D5 (the two LSB red ones). If the HALT front panel switch is down, then all four red LED's stay on after flipping the restart switch. Can someone point me to a table of the diagnostic LED meanings? The KDF-11BA User Manual mentions them but I can't find a list of just what they indicate. thanks for any helpful hints -Charles

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Things to do in Florida panhandle?

by tonym＠compusource.net

Ft Walton Beach / Crestview - well, you can sit around and watch the grass grow..... Seriously - ain't "nuttin' fer miles around." If you're driving, you can check around local thrift shops and mom -n- pop computer shops. Check to see where the Gov't/military surplus depots are... other than that, you're kinda' stuck - that's the bush... not to mention the area is relatively barren, as that is sort of a military area, and most of the troops are deployed, so some areas are ghost towns. Friend of mine just moved back down here to Miami from Crestview, as he had to close up shop on his computer store, as there was just not enough business - everyone's gone. Sean - mebbe we need to get together and see if we can swap stuff :) Ping me offline. Tony -----Original Message----- From: Sean Conner spc at conman.org Sent 10/16/2008 8:29:43 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Things to do in Florida panhandle? It was thus said that the Great Evan Koblentz once stated: I'm making plans to be in the Florida panhandle on May 2nd next year. (a relative's college graduation). I will be staying in Fort Walton Beach, although I can get a rental car. Anything to do there for a vintage computer geek like me? Or, anyone have a big collection there and just want to hang out? I have a collection, but I'm way down the peninsula in Boca Raton, home of the IBM PC (and just around the corner from the former home of IBM Boca Raton). And aside from that, I'm not aware of anything else classic computer related in Florida. -spc (Blue Lake ... um, T-Rex (as it's now known) is quite impressive)

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Code reviewers sought for Lilith emulator.

by jos.mar＠bluewin.ch

Emulith, my ETH / Diser Lilith emulator is nearly complete. However I would really appriciate if someone with a good grasp of X11/xlib programming could have a look at the sourcecode. I am looking at tips to speed up the program, currently it runs, on my AMD64 2 GHz, at somewhat the speed of the real thing (7 MHz). There must be ways to speed it up... Any takers ? Jos

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replacing the Model M

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

Now that the current Sun keyboards are USB and don't feel like mush (like the Type 6 does), I'm pondering getting a Type 7. Furthermore, I'm thinking that perhaps other vendors of Linux machines should start offering Type 7 keyboards. If you think about it, such a keyboard would be perfect for getting people to use [lu]n[iu]x given the action keys along the left side. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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FS: Alto's 580 near Seattle WA

by michaelgreen42＠comcast.net

After my last batch of Altos machines I managed to acquire a nice Alto's 580. I believe it is the HD model because there is only a single floppy in it. It came with some software most of it originals (MPM, Diags, etc) and about 10 or so original manuals. It powers up fine but I don't have the cable to hook it up to my terminal. The terminal I have is an ADDs model with keyboard/CRT that I am also considering selling (have the manual for this too).

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DEC LN03 laser printer 'goodies'

by curtis＠hawkmountain.net

I have maintenance kits, toner kits, font cartridges, RAM font cartridges (LN03X), and a LN03 Programmer Reference Manual. Any interest ? Make an offer on any item (toner kit, maintenance kit, font cartridges, the manual, etc).... -- Curt

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Mixed results with PET video circuit

by ethan.dicks＠usap.gov

Hi, all, >From the amount of traffic my questions spawned, I thought it only fair to post a follow-up. I built the 74LS02 circuit nearly as described, but with no cap between the PET and the horizontal sync inverter. I wasn't surprised when I got nothing on an LCD with composite input, so I dragged out the 9" mono security monitor and was instantly rewarded with a PET BASIC prompt - the only problem was that I couldn't lock in the horizontal. I could get close, so that it was mostly stable, but over time, it would roll faster and faster, no matter how I tweaked the monitor. I tried the "PET Revealed" trick of a pot on the hsync pull-down, but that didn't seem to make much of an impact, and neither did removing it entirely. So I was able to see the PET work, but from a use standpoint, don't quite have the right tweaks on the basic circuit. I'm out of time for the season, or I'd keep fiddling with it (we could get new folks in here in as little as a week, if all the early-season plans go well, and weather permitting, as always). Thanks for all the feedback. I understand things a lot better now, and I'm happy to say that the first time I powered it up, I got recognizable video, even if it did list to port a bit. -ethan -- Ethan Dicks, A-333-S Current South Pole Weather at 16-Oct-2008 at 15:00 Z South Pole Station PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -59.3 F (-50.7 C) Windchill -86.4 F (-65.8 C) APO AP 96598 Wind 7.0 kts Grid 336 Barometer 672.2 mb (10924 ft) Ethan.Dicks at usap.gov http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html

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3.5" floppy drive question(s)

by rescue＠hawkmountain.net

Was wondering if 3.5" HD floppy drives can be jumpered/used in a system that only supports 720K, using them as 720K only drives ? I only own one 720K floppy drive (wouldn't mind a few more). If that is possible, and only possible with some drives, anyone know if it is possible with any of the following: Panasonic JU-257A827P Panasonic JU-256A216P Sony MP-F17W-09 SMM Samsung SFD-321D/T Epson SMD-1300 TEAC FD-235HF Also, anyone know if there if it is possible to slow the spindle speed so that 1.44M can be done on machines that only have DD data rate ? (and if so, any of the above drives capable of being slowed ?) Would that even work ? -- Curt

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cctech Digest, Vol 62, Issue 33

by jefferwin＠gmail.com

> > >Jeff Erwin said the following on 10/14/2008 1:56 PM: > >> The Starplex was the NS answer to the MDS, but was much more 'late 70's' > in > >> its design. The prom programmer was built into the system, as was the > >> screen and floppy drives. All very modular. I learned asm80 writing > the > >> editor and assembler for that beast. > ?>> > >> > >snip > >> Version 4 was radically different from the 3.X and prior versions. The > >> earlier versions used the $X controls, version 4 used the controls that > were > >> then used in the PLM86 compiler. Also, the DATA statement was > eliminated > >> and other language constructs were changed. PLM80 V3 code would not > compile > >> without mods. I remember it being released at about the same time the > 8086 > >> and PLM86 was was released and the effort was to make PLM80 and PLM86 > >> somewhat similar. The PLM80 3.x docs are pretty much worthless if you > are > >> using the 4.0 compiler. 4.0 was also one executable, a big change from > the > >> PLM81 and PLM82 2-pass method the earlier versions used. > >> > >> > > > >I'm confused. I have V4 of the "resident" compiler, that is, the one > >that runs on an MDS Series II or MDS-800. Those machines had either an > >8080 or an 8085 cpu. I'm putting in a very small screen shot below of > >the files. Hopefully this is ok for the list. It shows that there are > >6 overlay files to this compiler. It is not one monolithic executable. > >Are you sure you aren't talking about the PL/M-86 compiler that runs on > >an MDS Series III? That one is 8086-based. > > > >If, indeed, you have an 8080-based compiler for PL/M-80 that is one > >large file, I would like to see that. It is new to me. I think we are both right, although I am guilt of not being clearer. The earlier versions required two executables, plm81 and plm82. Version 4 went to a single executable with 7 overlays, plm80.ov0 to plm80.ov6. I think this is what you are seeing. It isn't really 'one big executable' so I misspoke. If you see the overlays, you have version 4. The source for CPM (2.2 I think) seems to be in the PLM80 v4 format, I am picking up a lot of the specifics from there, but if you can find the actual docs...! Thanks for looking. By the way, your boss was right to be wary of National Semi in those days, the management of the group creating Starplex was pretty squirrely. I stayed a year out of school before I was hired by INtel and moved to Oregon. Intel was a $300M company when I went there! Jeff > > > > >snip > >> > >> I'd love to get a copy of whatever you have relative to 4.0. Emailing > the > >> PDF is probably easiest, I am more than happy to pay any costs > associated. > >> > >> > > >I did a quick look for my plm docs and didn't find them. I'll look more > >tonight. I know they are in my "collection", just have to find them. > > snip > > > >Let me know more about your PL/M-80 compiler, if you can. > > > >Dave > >

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OT: Administrative Issue

by warren＠databasics.us

Hello, Sorry to bother the list, but I've tried four or five times, and written to what appears to be Jay's address to no avail. I'm trying to swich my current list address, warren at ... to lists at ... I need some assistance, please. Warren

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Symbolics Genera (was "NEC SX-4B on Ebay")

by alexandre.laguejacques＠gmail.com

>>> It's a UNIX box, man. The most (programmer-)friendly OS in >>> existence. At least for even moderately technical people. >> There are UNIX-compatible people and non-UNIX-compatible people (cf >> Unix Hater's Handbook). > >Even aside from that, I'm not convinced. I think Symbolics Genera is >arguably more programmer-friendly, though that could just be because I >find Lisp a much nicer language than C. (There may be even better >OSes; that's just what I have personal experience with.) This message pertains to der Mouse's comment... Out of idle curiosity I looked up Symbolics Genera and the story of the Lisp machines... Fascinating! Any idea of how to get one's hands on such a machine? eBay is not forthcoming although they have been mentioned in some old messages on cctalk. - Alex

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article ref to 50th birthday of video games

by hilpert＠cs.ubc.ca

Old news for many here perhaps, but here's a writeup about physicist William Higinbotham's creation of "Tennis-for-two" at Brookhaven Labs in 1958: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/10/15/tech-games.html Mentions how the initial inspiration came from reading the manual for an analog computer and how it could be used for ballistic trajectory calculations.

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Apple ][* stuff needs new homes

by us21090＠yahoo.com

All, Thanks to all who responded with the good information. For now my plan is to put a decent Apple ][ together for keeps and sell the other software and hardware. I listed it at http://www.applefritter.com/node/23531 I have put up a few items on ebay : Apple II Pascal Apple II Fortran Apple II GEOS Apple II Software Cassettes I'll be putting more up there over the next couple weeks. If you like Apple stuff keep a watch for ebay seller "10types". I want to spare cctalk these "I'm selling this and this and this" posts. BTW, I told those who responded to me that I just remembered a fun college project with an Apple II, Pascal and a Diablo print wheel printer (actually a print terminal). I programmed it to form graphics and mathematical symbols by taking advantage of the Diablo's micro-spacing features (controlled with escape sequences). Does anyone else remember that? When? Well... I graduated college in 1981 (way back after the discovery of the first bit). Scott ----- Original Message ---- > From: Scott Austin <us21090 at yahoo.com> > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 2:28:06 PM > Subject: Apple ][* stuff needs new homes > > All, > Out of the shadows to say, I need to sell/trade/other my Apple ][* gear. > > I've detailed some of the Apple ][* items at > http://www.applefritter.com/node/23531 > > I'm also interested in hearing which items may be more valuable and > worth putting up on ebay (be that as it is). > > If you have any interest or comments, contact me off-list. > > Thanks, > Scott > us21090 at yahoo.com

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Looking for AT&T 3B1/UNIXPC/PC7300 software

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> Did you receive it? yes.

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