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by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

Hey! I put an old 10 MB hard drive case on AuctionWeb last week. Nobody is bidding on it so if it doesn't sell, it's free. It's just a white case with a fan and power supply. A really nice guy wrote and offered the drive that goes in it for shipping only (see bottom of message). Auction ends tomorrow-hurry! Here's what you do, go to the auction link: http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=dkq99203 Bid $1. If nobody outbids you, it's yours for shipping only. Just remind me if I don't recognize your email address. Shipping should be less than $5. You could do the whole thing for less than $10. Worth it? I dunno. ? By the way, there's an Imagewriter I that's only up to $3+shipping at: http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=qpa201 ? And a cool like new thermal printer for laptops (circa 1984) at: http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=yrk8174 ? And I have a few C-64's and 1541 drives that are dead. Free + shipping if anyone's interested. Oh and a Okimate 10 printer that's laying around too. *** The guy with the drive that goes in it is: > Subject: tandy hd case > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 21:03:20 PDT > From: "Roger LaPointe" <eldens(a)concentric.net> > To: gmast(a)oboe.aix.calpoly.edu > > > I've got a 10 meg hd (tandon) that came in one of the cases. > > if you can use it, you can have it for the actual ups costs. ($3 or $4 ???) > it just sits on the shelf, and I hated to throw it away (along with all the > Seagate ST-225's) > > thanx Roger > >

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Power cable for Cromemco

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Hi all, I'm looking for a power cable for my Cromemco System 3. It's kind of a bizarre cable. The recessed male panel jack is a flattened oval, 1" by 1/2", with 3 conductors. The center ground pin is very slightly offset >from the other two pins. Any thoughts where I can get one of these? thanks Kai

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new stuff

by dastar＠crl.com

I couldn't resist going into a favorite thrift store today, and boy what a find I made. First there's the Tandy 1000EX. Cool, but definitely not as cool as the Burroughs adding machine! I have no idea what year this thing is from, but it's case is made of a steel frame with glass sides so you can see the mechanisms inside. I don't know how much it's worth, but I picked it up for $50. This thing is heavy (about 50-60lbs). I love it! I'm going to make it the centerpiece of my in-home museum (someday). Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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VideoText

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

A friend of mine had a TV set in 1986 that had VideoTex built-in. It was actually pretty cool as I recall. Kai

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TDP-100 (was: cocos and stuff)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 04:25 PM 6/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >Somewhere in the back of my head I had the idea that a TDP-100 >was a Coco with added serial hardware included so that Radio >Shack could sell it as a color video terminal. Does anyone >else remember this, or am I completely out of my mind? They did sell a "VideoTex" terminal that sure looked like a coco. Sold it for use with CompuServe, (among others,) as I recall. Perhaps this is what you're thinking of? --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Contact List

by marvin＠rain.org

Hi Issac, thanks for volunteering to maintain the list! I think this is a wonderful idea and one that will help us all. Marvin Johnston marvin(a)rain.org (805) 6897-8881 Santa Barbara, CA Primary Interest: Early Microcomputers from the 70's and associated documentation.

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Power cable for Cromemco

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Found one! Vetco here in Bellevue had a box of 'em... at the usurious price of $9.50, but what can ya do? At least I picked up some interesting 8-bit ISA cards for $1-$4 apiece, namely: - Silicon Valley ADP50 (IDE drives in PCs!) - Kaypro NEC V20 accelerator/Z80 emulator card - Kraft dual joystick adapter - Ad Lib sound card Kai > ---------- > From: James Willing[SMTP:jimw@agora.rdrop.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 4:48 PM > To: Kai Kaltenbach > Cc: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Power cable for Cromemco > > On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Kai Kaltenbach wrote: > > > I'm looking for a power cable for my Cromemco System 3. It's kind > of a > > bizarre cable. The recessed male panel jack is a flattened oval, 1" > by > > 1/2", with 3 conductors. The center ground pin is very slightly > offset > > from the other two pins. > > > > Any thoughts where I can get one of these? > > Actually, not too odd at all. Don't know about currently (as I've not > looked for a while) but these used to be quite common on office > equipment. > > And... (if you did not see this coming) I think I have a spare or two > around... (gotta turn over *all* of those rocks!) > > Bad ASCII art warning! > > /-------------\ > | O O | > | O | > \-------------/ > > Looks something (nothing?) like this? eh? > > If you don't turn one up local, let me know and I'll try to find one > to > send along with the other stuff... > > -jim > --- > jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com > The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw > Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174 >

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(fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

>Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop >a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are >when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options. >Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to >pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want An excellent idea! Sign me up! Hmm... what info? Name, location, collecting interests, etc? Uncle Roger San Francisco All computers, especially portables. <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net> or <sinasohn(a)crl.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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(fwd) CP/M Hardware For Sale (fwd)

by dastar＠crl.com

One more...hope this doesn't get annoying. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I have the following CP/M hardware for sale: ************************* K10 ****************************** Kaypro 10 v1.9E (1983?) Boots: KAYPRO 60K CP/M Version 2.2H Occasionally returns BDOS errors when writing to the hard drive. I suspect it needs to be replaced (but maybe a good low-level format would help?) Does not have system disks (I bought it "as-is" with system installed on the hard drive). I do, however, have a copy of of the Kaypro Technical manual (the real McCoy, used by the technicians...) and the padded carrying case. Will sell all three and ship anywhere in the lower 48 for $70. ************************** K4 ****************************** Kaypro 4 (semi-cannabalized) System was plugged in when a lighting strike hit power lines System no longer sees the keyboard -- the keyboard is good and worked on another Kaypro. As I recall, the following subsystems are still good: keyboard, monitor, 2 half-height diskette drives, and most of the motherboard. (no pwr supply) Will sell and ship anywhere in the lower 48 for $35. Send email to: 72530.1626(a)compuserve.com If you're conveniently located in the Southeast Michigan area or Northwest Ohio (or willing to drive there), we can set up a local pickup and dispense with the hassle and expense of shipping. Thank you. From: David Venzke Compuserve: 72530,1626 Internet: 72530.1626(a)compuserve.com -- Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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(fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I would be happy to help in this collection, I am in Lawrence KS, USA ---------- > From: e.tedeschi <e.tedeschi(a)ndirect.co.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: (fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd) > Date: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 1:23 PM > > Isaac Davis wrote: > > > > At 09:24 AM 6/11/97 -0700, Sam wrote: > > >On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, James Willing wrote: > > > > > >> Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop > > >> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are > > >> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options. > > >> Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to > > >> pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want > > >> it. > > >> > > >> Or am I just dreaming out loud? > > > > > >Not at all. This is a terrific idea! I nominate Bill Whitson to > > >formulate this list :) > > > > > > > > >Sam > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > > > > I agree completely. I would be willing to go pick up stuff headed for the > > dump and hold it till someone could make space for it. My house only has > > room for a small select few computers, but I could make room in storage > > until shipping could be arranged. We ought to make this like a Mr. (or Ms.) > > Rescue for classics. When the list is started, put me down for the Austin, > > TX area. > > Isaac Davis > > idavis(a)comland.com > > indavis(a)juno.com > > OK, put me down for southern England (UK) > > enrico > -- > ================================================================ > Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K. > tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile > website <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi> > ================================================================ > visit Brighton: <http://www.brighton.co.uk/tourist/welcome.htm>

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(fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)

by e.tedeschi＠ndirect.co.uk

Isaac Davis wrote: > > At 09:24 AM 6/11/97 -0700, Sam wrote: > >On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, James Willing wrote: > > > >> Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop > >> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are > >> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options. > >> Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to > >> pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want > >> it. > >> > >> Or am I just dreaming out loud? > > > >Not at all. This is a terrific idea! I nominate Bill Whitson to > >formulate this list :) > > > > > >Sam > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > > I agree completely. I would be willing to go pick up stuff headed for the > dump and hold it till someone could make space for it. My house only has > room for a small select few computers, but I could make room in storage > until shipping could be arranged. We ought to make this like a Mr. (or Ms.) > Rescue for classics. When the list is started, put me down for the Austin, > TX area. > Isaac Davis > idavis(a)comland.com > indavis(a)juno.com OK, put me down for southern England (UK) enrico -- ================================================================ Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K. tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile website <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi> ================================================================ visit Brighton: <http://www.brighton.co.uk/tourist/welcome.htm>

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Printers

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I personally would like a printer for every machine in my system if one was made for it and it works. Sinclair1500, Atari, 400,800xl, 1200xl, C64, TandyColor/2 Tandy Model4, and almost every apple made. ---------- > From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Printers > Date: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 12:36 PM > > Along the lines of saving stuff, does anyone collect the old printers? > I have several including the SWTP 40 column printer, the usual > assortment of Tandy and CBM printers, a couple of DecWriters (LA36), an > early Centronics, a number of daisy wheel printers, and my newest > addition, an ASR 33. But I also run into quite a few (usually free) > that I don't have the room or inclination to store. I would guess that > most of the older printers will head for the dump with few people > caring, but then again ...

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4004

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

I know where you can get a BioRythm, but not if you want to pull the chip out... Kai > ---------- > From: Marvin[SMTP:marvin@rain.org] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 4:49 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: 4004 > > e.tedeschi wrote: > > > > Please have a look at my collection at: > > > > <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi/homecomp.htm> > > > > I just took a look ... VERY nice! How long has the museum been in > existence and how long have you been collecting? > > > I am looking for a 4004 microprocessor. Also for an 8008. Does > anybody > > know of one going for sale? I will pay cash or have many British > > computers for trade/swap. > > > > One of the early arcade "games", a unit called BioRhythm" used the > 4004 > as the processor. Wish I hadn't gotten rid of them all now! I don't > know if they were exported your way or not. >

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(fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)

by bwit＠pobox.com

>Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to >develop a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where >others are when things like this pop up so that we could have some local >options. Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be >able to pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone >who did want it. This seems like an excellent suggestion. Put me down for Dallas/Fort Worth, TX. USA. Regards, Bob

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cocos and stuff

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> > RS published a technical manual for the color computer; I have a copy of > > somewhere. HOWEVER I found there's an app note from Motorola with schema > > that almost exactly match those in the RS technical manual. I don't reca > > whether it was a 6809 app note or a 6847 app note though. If you can fin > > set of old Motorola data books you may be able to find it. > > It's probably a 6883 (SAM) app note, isn't it? I don't have the app note but I do have the data book and it has a partial of what the coco1 might have been. Allison

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4004

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 03:05 AM 6/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, The grey/beige HP terminal with heavy keyboard that have >black and white "squashed" monitor shaped does have this 8008 chip >in one of its "card". Accessible by tripping two catches between the If you're speaking of the venerable HP2645 terminal, I know it had a Z80 in it. (And some people did rig it up as a crude CP/M machine.) Dunno about the 8008 though... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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(fwd) CP/M Hardware For Sale (fwd)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 11:17 PM 6/10/97 -0700, you wrote: >One more...hope this doesn't get annoying. Nope, just frustrating -- none of them are near me! 8^( --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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(fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)

by idavis＠comland.com

At 09:24 AM 6/11/97 -0700, Sam wrote: >On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, James Willing wrote: > >> Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop >> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are >> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options. >> Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to >> pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want >> it. >> >> Or am I just dreaming out loud? > >Not at all. This is a terrific idea! I nominate Bill Whitson to >formulate this list :) > > >Sam >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > I agree completely. I would be willing to go pick up stuff headed for the dump and hold it till someone could make space for it. My house only has room for a small select few computers, but I could make room in storage until shipping could be arranged. We ought to make this like a Mr. (or Ms.) Rescue for classics. When the list is started, put me down for the Austin, TX area. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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TI-99/4A Comments

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 01:59 PM 6/10/97 -0700, you wrote: >> << EVERYONE knows that MY COMMODORE 64 is WAY better than YOUR APPLE! >> > >It's hard to have holy wars like the old days when you now own all the >machines you used to make fun of. Actually, it's easier! You can argue with yourself! (Hint: don't do this on the bus; people look at you funny.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Reminder: electronics/junk/computer sale June 14

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 01:31 PM 6/10/97 -0700, you wrote: > >This is a reminder for those in the San Francisco Bay area that >on June 14 in Mountain View, there will be an junk/electronics sale. Thanks for the reminder! I've missed the last one (or two?) and would have missed this one otherwise. >There will likely be a small get together (two people so far). Anyone who >is interested in the get together let me know. There is a pretty good As of right now, the only thing on my calendar for Saturday is Flag day (and I don't own a flag.) If I can keep that open, and convince my girlfriend and/or my dad they'd enjoy it, I'll be there. (hmmm... Add to Friday's to do list: Rob Bank) Let me know details... Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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CLASSICCMP digest 79

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

>Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:47:56 -0700 (PDT) >From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> >Subject: C64 thingy >I picked up a Commodore 64 a while ago that had this special board >inside. It was inserted between the keyboard and the motherboard. IE. >it had a connector that plugged into the keyboard rolex connector on the >motherboard and then the keyboard ribbon cable plugged into it. Then it >had a 9-pin male D-type connector than came out the back of the C64. My >guess is that it was for a numeric keypad or something. I forgot what >was stamped on the circuit board. Any ideas? Sounds like a keypad connector to me, I think it may be a Cardco keypad (there I think was an option to plug it into the joystick port and interface it via software. I have some other brand which uses a DIP connector (like old apple paddle/joysticks), unfortunately I do not have the 64 with the interface board though. Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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cocos and stuff

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> The smaller is the TRS80 color computer with real keys on the keyboard. > I have two of these one the case was wiped out, board is ok. > >Lacking docs I presume these have rom Basic. What expansion is possible >(there is a port) and how hard. Do they run any real OSs or some TRShack? RS sold OS/9 for the color computer. I don't know what models are required to run it. >What's the odds of finding DOCS especially schematics? RS published a technical manual for the color computer; I have a copy of it somewhere. HOWEVER I found there's an app note from Motorola with schematics that almost exactly match those in the RS technical manual. I don't recall whether it was a 6809 app note or a 6847 app note though. If you can find a set of old Motorola data books you may be able to find it. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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4004

by e.tedeschi＠ndirect.co.uk

Please have a look at my collection at: <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi/homecomp.htm> I am looking for a 4004 microprocessor. Also for an 8008. Does anybody know of one going for sale? I will pay cash or have many British computers for trade/swap. Thanks enrico -- ================================================================ Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K. tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile website <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi> ================================================================ visit Brighton: <http://www.brighton.co.uk/tourist/welcome.htm>

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cocos and stuff

by allisonp＠world.std.com

HI, In my non-op list of equipment I have three cocos apparently operational. They are of two different styles. The smaller is the TRS80 color computer with real keys on the keyboard. I have two of these one the case was wiped out, board is ok. The larger is TDP-100 personal color computer with chiclet keys. Lacking docs I presume these have rom Basic. What expansion is possible (there is a port) and how hard. Do they run any real OSs or some TRShack? What's the odds of finding DOCS especially schematics? I have a xt class machine with an Intel Inboard386...(works too!) what's the odds of finding schemtics or expansion ram for it? The 1meg of ram is tight for somne stuff. Currently I use it as a 10x faster xt. Allison

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Scanner/Dig Cam/Camcorder?

by idavis＠comland.com

>>DigCam: + Easy to use, convenient >> - Expensive to buy, somewhat limited capacity, >> no hard copy of images (except printer output) > >>Photo/Scanner: + Hard Copy, can be used for other stuff too >> - Film and Developing can be expensive, takes time > >>Camcorder: + Easy to use, Allows for selecting the right image >> from several views >> - Video capture hardware/software isn't cheap > Well, I guess it's time to put my two cents in. I own a Kodak DC20 digital camera, and a handheld color scanner. The digital camera is the basic model, no frills. It holds 8 hi res pics, and 16 low res pics. As far as quality goes, it really depends on the lighting conditions and the distance that you are going to be shooting at. It can get some incredible pictures, but it does have it share of bad ones. As far as taking pictures of our computers, it is great for taking good desriptive pictures (here's my pdp 11...) If you wanted to take a picture of a circuit board and be able to make out the chip numbers and wiring, forget it. It has decent resolution, but nothing like a scanner and a 35mm photo, and the light has to be right with this camera, since there is no flash (yet). I usually save the pictures in jpeg format, and each hi-res picture is about 25-35k. Not too bad on the storage side. My handheld color scanner is absolutely great. Unfortunately, I am always wanting to scan something in 1" wider than the scanner, which makes it a real pain even with great picture editing software. I would really recommend a flatbed scanner, but you might as well grab another hard drive while you are at it. Those color hi-res pictures take up more space than it took to put a man on the moon. Also, as a side note, it takes about 55 seconds to warm up the bulb on the color scanner. It's not a major gripe, just an inconvenience. Bottom line: My suggestion is - If you are looking to take pictures of your collection (for personal or insurance reasons) and store them in a safe, and take a buch of cheap pictures of your kids, go with the digital camera. If you are looking to scan in boards and pieces of equipment, and are looking for extreme detail, I would go with the scanner. I find that having both is really convenient, and I can pretty much get the results that I am looking for and not be dissappointed with either. If I only owned one of them, I could definitely see times when I would not be happy with the results. As for the Camcorder products, those are next on my list. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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cocos and stuff

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Color Computer 2: White, 4K-64K One is definatly a coco2 with 64k. no question. > Color Computer 3: White, 64K-128K I suspect the board I have is one of these with 128k (four 41464s) and a lot of the logic is on an ASIC. > I've never heard of a TDP-100. The Color Computers had ROM BASIC and TDP is TANDY DATA PRODUCTS when tandy was trying to seperate from the Radiocrap idea in the early 80s. TDP-100 It's coco 6809, cart port and configureable for 16 or 64k. This one has 64k I suspect it's the COCO-1 but case color is white and black and keyboard is chicklet style. Has all the joystick connectors and the like. It's design is lots of chips compared to the other two I suspect early design. Also it's serial number 0000038! It also has lots of mods. The inboard386/pc and inboard386/at are similar save for one is designed to replace the 8088 and is 8-bit ISA and the other the 286 with 16bit ISA. The /PC version has 1mb of ram but with more (4mb) I could use it as a slow (it's 16mhz) linux box. A schematic of the connector for the ram expansion would be useful, I can hack my own board. The PC version cannot use the motherboard ram as far as I can see in the book and even if it could I need more. Allison

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TI-99/4A Comments

by BNICALEK＠aol.com

To clarify some statements that have already been made on the TI-99/4A, I'd like to comment: << True, that's bizarre... they appear to be especially common in the northwest. But just try to find a PEB! >> There were approximately 1+ million consoles manufactured by Texas Instruments from 1981 through early 1984. There were also approximately 250,000 Peripheral Expansion Systems also manufactured. So, while it's true there were more consoles, PEB's are not hard to find. << What I need is the Speech Editor cartridge! >> To Jeff Hellige - these are little rare to find, but are still available. I got mine for around $20 from someone in California. But, you can call up any vendor and get them from around $25-30, due to their rarity. << Personally, my opinion of the TI-99/4a varies from stupid piece of shit to semi-decent machine. Today I feel like stupid piece of shit. It was almost completely closed, it's BASIC sucked and was slow, it's keyboard sucked, and if it wasn't for the hordes of TI-99 faithfuls it would've been just a footnote. I don't understand what the big attraction was, but then, I came from the world of Apple ][, to which nothing could compare (uh oh, here come the holy wars). >> To Sam -- The TI-99/4A, in my opinion, is at the very least a semi-decent machine. The BASIC interpreter is what slowed things down a bit, but you have to look at it from a different perspective - no PEEKs or POKEs just to program graphics and/or sound, like some other machines (no, I'm good enough not to mention any names). The keyboard did "suck" compared to that of a PC, but it was very simple - especially suited towards children. From my own experience, I found the keyboard easy to use compared to a Commodore 64 - the touch response was better. The big attraction came from the fact that it was 16-bit, had full color, sprites (smoothly-moving objects), excellent speech synthesis, easy to use cartridges, and expandability. Some of the games were amazing (like Parsec and Alpiner) - way ahead of its time. And you can do word processing and spreadsheets with it as well. << Even the original PC was really bad, mostly closed design. They were all noteable as it told marketers what would fly and what had to be there. Amusingly the ti has what every P5 box has today, graphics, sound, games so they weren't that far off <in a perverse sort of way>. >> Allison -- I couldn't agree with you more. The TI-99/4A was an amazing machine when you look back at all the components and features it had. It's still easier than my P120 I'm using to type this message - as there's no icons to click, no finagling around to get where you need to go or to do this. Just press 2 keys and you're in the program with the TI. Now that I call ease-of-use! << EVERYONE knows that MY COMMODORE 64 is WAY better than YOUR APPLE! >> To Les -- Yes, the Commodore 64 IS better than the Apple - I must admit! --------------------- And to Bill and others -- So you can begin to see with all these replies that people at least knew about the TI-99/4A and its positives/negatives. But that's to go with any machine. It's about what you learned on, and what you grew up with. In my case, this is the computer I learned on, and I'll stick with it forever because once you get used to one thing, it's hard to change sometimes. Same goes I'm sure for everyone else on this list server. The TI-99/4A was one of the most popular computers ever made back in the early 80's. Again, 1 million consoles gives you a hint. And, I'll tell you why they're like roaches sitting around -- most people bought them for around $50-100 when TI was going out of business (late 1983 into early 1984), played a few games on them, and then said, "I'm done!". Instead of throwing them in the garbage, they thought they were worth something, and now you see them all around in thrift stores. I even went to a local fair around town last year and picked one up for $5! But remember, for these people, that's all they wanted to do with this computer. But for those that were serious, you could do much, much more with it! Bryan Nicalek bnicalek(a)aol.com

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by fmc＠reanimators.org

jpero(a)mail.cgo.wave.ca writes: > Hi, The grey/beige HP terminal with heavy keyboard that have > black and white "squashed" monitor shaped does have this 8008 chip > in one of its "card". Accessible by tripping two catches between the > shells to hinge up the monitor to reveal the cards in bottom case > part. What you're writing about is the HP 264X line of terminals. They don't all use 8008 CPUs. The 2640s do, but I'm sure the 2645s use 8080s (and think the 2641, 2644, 2648A do too), and the 2647F uses some proprietary HP CPU. Not sure about 2642, 2647A, or the 2649s which are customized for specific applications, e.g. there was a flavor of 2649 used as the system console for HP 3000/33 minis. Fun terminals. I could go on for a while about them. The 2640s and 2641/4/5s have a facility allowing the downloading of code from the host. Somewhere around here I have a Space Invaders game and a Pac-Man game that run in the 2645s, and have heard of a driving game. Also have heard that some folks in the Gaithersburg, MD area turned a 2645 into some sort of BBS some years ago. The "two catches" are hidden. Look on the case left and right sides, you will see horizontal slots between the base and the CRT housing. Inside those horizontal slots, a couple of inches back from the front, are vertical slots. The object is to stick a "terminal key" (basically a thin flat piece of metal, but a stiff paperclip can be made to serve) into those slots to push open the catches that are at the top of the slots. While pushing, lift the CRT housing. If like most of us you have no more than two hands (and only one key) you may find it convenient to do one side at a time, which is OK. -Frank McConnell

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WANT TO BUY YOUR OLD-ASSED COMPUTERS!

by dastar＠crl.com

I want your old microcomputers from the 70s and 80s. I do NOT want any common PC clone. I am looking mainly for stuff that doesn't exist in any way shape or form today. I am looking for rarer models, as I already own most of the more common micros of the early micro-revolution. Please e-mail me at dastar(a)crl.com with what you got and we can work out a deal. Thanks. ---END USENET MESSAGE--- So this guy, Gary, responds and tells me he has an IMSAI 8080 and a Victor 9000 he wouldn't mind getting rid of. SCORE! So anyway, he used to be an attendee of the Homebrew Computer Club, which if you don't know was a bunch of hackers and geeks (including of course Jobs and Wozniak) who got together every week or month in (I believe) either Mountain View or Sunnyvale, to show off the computers they were building. Read Steven Levy's _Hackers_ for the complete (and very entertaining) story. He was telling me all these cool stories. One was about how a Lawrence Livermore National Lab employee made a bunch of paper-tape copies of Gates' BASIC when it first came out and brought them to a meeting of the HCC, claiming that on his way over, a box of stuff dropped from a bus, and when he went to go check it out he found all these weird paper tapes in it (40 or so) and that everyone was welcome to have them, whereby he began tossing them out into the audience. Gary of course got one of them, and invited me to look at and touch it under the condition that I didn't drool on it and muss it up. It was in perfect condition! The neatest thing about it is that it had "Z80 BASIC COPYRIGHT MICROSOFT" punched into it (that isn't the actual message, I've forgotten what it said already). He said the week after, Bill himself showed up and whined to the crowd, asking "How am I supposed to make any money off this if you guys are pirating my stuff?" I'm sure, in hindsight, Bill certainly doesn't mind the fact that the Microsoft BASIC standard created by the piracy of his original BASIC has made him a $32 billion man today. He went on to tell me the stories about how he built his IMSAI and applied fixes and patches for flaws in the design, and showed me the schematics and took me through some of the documentation. He's a really neat guy. We're going to be staying in touch. He's moving soon and he says when he cleans his garage out and figures what else he has he will probably let me have some of it, including his full run of Byte magazine starting from issue 4. He also has a CompuPro 8/16 that he wanted to hang onto, as well as a Heathkit H19 terminal that he built from the kit, but he says he might not want to take them with him. So anyway, that's what a day of tooling around the bay area got me. I also met Paul Coad at a parking lot sale and we ran into Doug Coward (you may have checked out his Web museum page, I forget the URL). It was a good day. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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(fwd) Re: CPM-L Digest - 5 Jun 1997 to 6 Jun 1997 (fwd)

by dastar＠crl.com

Another one, hope someone gets lucky. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Z100 free Conditions: YOU PICK UP. YOU TAKE ALL SOFTWARE AND MANUALS I live in Northeastern Maryland. Close to an I95 exit. If interested email me at ltelets(a)tec1.apg.army.mil It has two 5 and a quarter floppies amd a detached monochrome monitor. It runs but could make a fine boat anchor *8^) -- Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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(fwd) Free CPM computer (fwd)

by dastar＠crl.com

Hope someone can take advantage of this. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass ---------- Forwarded message ---------- TeleVideo TS802 computer uupdated with 20 meg hard drive (partitioned 10/10). Its free. Machine has several upgrades; CPU speed 5 mhz, faster memory chips, Zsystem operating system. User friendly ZCPR plus auto loading function keys and a whole bunch of other upgrades I forget. Has Wordstar ver. 4.0, dBase ll loaded and configured on the hard drive. Machine has original manual and shipping carton. It's located in Edmonton, AB, Canada you can contact me: peterc(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Peter -- Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Ccanner/Dig Cam/Camcorder?

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

>Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:54:59 -0700 >From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)crl.com> >Subject: Digital Imaging (was: Re: Chisolm) >I have been trying to decide the best way to get images into digital form. >Naturally, a digital camera is one way, but not the only. There's also the >photo/scanner method, camcorder/video capture, and probably others. As I >see it, the pros/cons are: >DigCam: + Easy to use, convenient > - Expensive to buy, somewhat limited capacity, > no hard copy of images (except printer output) >Photo/Scanner: + Hard Copy, can be used for other stuff too > - Film and Developing can be expensive, takes time >Camcorder: + Easy to use, Allows for selecting the right image > from several views > - Video capture hardware/software isn't cheap >So, does anyone have thoughts on which is best? I'd like a scanner for >other things, but they're expensive too. There's also the question of 35mm >vs. polaroid and type of scanner. (Not to mention where the heck would I >put it!) I've got a camcorder and my girlfriend's mac supposedly can do >video capture as is, but I've got to find software and figure it out. -----------> I myself went with the scanner, mainly because I want to do some OCR with it as well as scanning, flat bed is better than a ahndheld, and you would not believe the prices nowadays. You can get a new Microtek E3 for under $200! (for IBM or Mac!) Check your local discount mail-order firm. - - - - - - - - BTW (and to keep on-topic), anyone know of some decent OCR software that can reliably convert dot-matrix hard copy? The Omnipage LE (shipped with the scanner) can't make heads or tails out of most of it (and barely works with the dot-matrix stuff it can. :/ (I have a couple issues of the Commodore Gazzette (pre-COMPUTE!) and alot of it is dot matrix.) Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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cocos and stuff

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 02:01 PM 6/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >(there is a port) and how hard. Do they run any real OSs or some TRShack? I am told that OS-9 is a pretty good OS, but I don't have any real experience with it. I'm sure there are OS-9 resources out on the net somewhere... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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TI-99/4A Comments

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> > After the collapse of the market for the TI 99/4a, Radio Shack sold many > of the parts (including the keyboard, the internal switching power supply The TI99/4a is not a switcher. I have both the RS powersupply board and two TI99/4a (a black one and a grey one) and neither use a switcher! Now the original ti99/4 with the chicklet keyboard (scarce) did use the switcher. Allison

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cocos and stuff

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Somewhere in the back of my head I had the idea that a TDP-100 > was a Coco with added serial hardware included so that Radio > Shack could sell it as a color video terminal. Does anyone > else remember this, or am I completely out of my mind? Looking at the board and my moto data book says no serial devices (6850 or the like). Allison

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Sage IV...

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Im not rich, Don't have one. Do I want one? Help me out here? what is it? ---------- > From: Kevan Heydon <kevan(a)motiv.co.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Sage IV... > Date: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 11:08 AM > > > Hi all, > > I have just recieved this email offering me a Sage IV. I am not > interested as I already have one so the cost of shipping to here in the > UK isn't worth it. So if someone wants it contact him directly. > > Kevan > > ------- Forwarded Message > > To: collector(a)heydon.org > Subject: sage IV > > Hello, I own a Sage IV computer and have some word processing software > and spreadsheet software for the computer. I also own two amber > monitors for the Sage IV. If you are interested in purchasing these, or > know a source in the United States that is interested in this computer > equipment, please leave me a note on the web, or at CompuServe 76627,224 > Jim Krasno (my wife is Nancy Nelson) > Jim > > ------- End of Forwarded Message > > > >

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TI-99/4A Comments

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Hi, I should qualify myself as comming from when personal computer meant you owned a computer be it a minuteman-1 missle guidence computer(all transistor), mark-8 or a PDP-8! The TI99/4a was 81 technology and should be compared to that not a P1000000! This seems to occur often. It compared to the PCjr with the chicklet keyboard or COCO1 with same at a time when the osborne-1 totable was new and neat. Apple/III had bombed on the market. It compared to z80 based system at 4mhz and a few emerging at 6mhz or the other non-IBM-PC 8088/6 based s100 systems. There were even 68000 based system but 8mhz were fast ones. It was color! At a time when that capability was uncommon. It didn't require an engineer to hook it up or make it do something/anything. At that time S100 systems, apples, and the like were rarely packaged systems. The trs80 and others started something with ready to run boxes that were also slow and cranky. Can I say it better as...back then a lot of things were starting to shake out, emerge and outright happen. The TI99/4a was one of those and it was far cheaper than a PC even at it introduction price. 1980 to 1984 was an interesting time. Who knows, if IBM and intel didn't hook up we could be running unix on a fifth generation z8000. Allison

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TI-99/4A Comments

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> I have a question for you folks. I have a basic TI 99/4a.... that's it. N > cables, no peripherals, no nothing with it. I am wanting to get this Minimally you need the power brick that was 18Vac and 8.5vac, and also the video cable that took compossite color to channel 3/4 or the other that allowed direct hookup to the TI color monitor. FYI sams photofact had a print set for the machine and it was set CC2, TI99/4a model PHC004a. There was also a 66 page technical manual from TI on the console and expansion box. Allison

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Tandy 600

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Actually the Tandy 600 was a 1989 concoction. It looks like an early Toshiba laptop, with flip-up narrow LCD display. It has Multiplan, a subset of MS Word, a built-in modem, 360K 3.5" drive, 80x16 display, and sold for $999. I passed up one of these at a swap meet a few weeks ago. Kai > ---------- > From: Marvin[SMTP:marvin@rain.org] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 10:21 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Tandy 600 > > In checking through the master computer lists, I found a Tandy 600 > computer that is not listed. In checking through the docs, I can't > find > any reference to what the CPU is and I would prefer not to take it > apart > to find out:). Anyone know what CPU it uses? The manual was > copyright > 1985 but I don't know when the machine was actually released although > I > would *assume* 1985. It operates with MS-DOS style files and with all > software residing in ROM. It appears that the basic machine comes > with > 32K of RAM expandable to 128K or 224K with special 96K upgrade kits. > It > is classified as a "lap-size" or "handheld" computer; this with the > dimensions being 11 1/2" x 12 1/2" x 2 1/2" and weighing about 9 1/2 > pounds. It comes with a 16 line x 80 character LCD screen, 3 1/2" > drive > and a build-in modem. Built in software includes MS Works V1.2 with > Word, Calendar, File, Telecom, and Multiplan. >

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Reminder: electronics/junk/computer sale June 14

by pcoad＠crl.com

This is a reminder for those in the San Francisco Bay area that on June 14 in Mountain View, there will be an junk/electronics sale. The location will be at Haltek (1062 Linda Vista Ave (Shoreline exit off 101)). I believe that this sale will have stuff from 7 different stores. The sale should run from 9am to 3pm. The stores participating are: Alltronics Campbell Techinical Excess Solutions Halted Specialities Haltek Test Labs Weirdstuff Directions: Take Highway 101 to Shoreline Blvd. West Turn Left on Terra Bella Turn left on Linda vista. Haltek is at the end of the road on the left. There will likely be a small get together (two people so far). Anyone who is interested in the get together let me know. There is a pretty good (if slightly expensive) Mexican food place nearby. Within a few miles >from Haltek just about any kind of food can be found. I'm not associated with any of the participants, I just a customer. --pec --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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cocos and stuff

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> RS published a technical manual for the color computer; I have a copy of i > somewhere. HOWEVER I found there's an app note from Motorola with schemati > that almost exactly match those in the RS technical manual. I don't recal > whether it was a 6809 app note or a 6847 app note though. If you can find > set of old Motorola data books you may be able to find it. Since I have three distinctly different generation boards I suspect the moto prints would hold to the oldest. Allison

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This weekend's haul

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Doug Spence said: >...and a BIZARRE >piece of IBM equipment: an external 5-1/4" floppy drive, model 4869. Actually, if one worked in an IBM shop, they were quite commonplace... especially when the PS/2's came out. The PS/2's had *no* way to hook an internal 5.25" floppy (due to size of case... and IBM's wanting to create a new standard...) so you had to go external if you wanted/needed to share data with other machines with 5.25" drives. >Now, on the subject of that weirdo IBM 4869 disk drive... what does this >plug into? The guy I bought it from said it was for an old PC. It has a >37-pin connector on the end of its cable. It's LARGER in two dimensions >than even a Commodore 1541 drive. Its power switch is very high quality. >:) Would this be a 160K drive? I haven't ripped it apart (yet) to see >how many heads the thing has. The size of the drive is mainly because of the PS & case (the case is *very* well RFI shielded)... the drive itself is a standard 1/2 height 360K 40TKDSDD 48TPI drive, with a standard 34-pin edge connector. I have one sitting on my desk at home, modified to use a standard cable (read: hole cut with dremel tool in top of case to fit cable) so I can use it with either my PC or with my Tandy CoCo3. *Very* nice drive. Trying to find a few more, so I can floppyize my CoCo2 and CoCo1. If you (or anyone) needs more info on this drive, lemme know. But I can tell you, that just taking it apart is *fun*, if you have 3-4 hours to get it apart and back together. I've had mine disassembled 3-4 times now, to figure where to cut holes & stuff for my cable mods. Enjoy! Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.

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Tandy 600

by bwit＠pobox.com

I have one of these and I believe it is based on the Intel 8086. Bob ---------- From: Marvin Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 1:21 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Tandy 600 In checking through the master computer lists, I found a Tandy 600 computer that is not listed. In checking through the docs, I can't find any reference to what the CPU is and I would prefer not to take it apart to find out:). Anyone know what CPU it uses? The manual was copyright 1985 but I don't know when the machine was actually released although I would *assume* 1985. It operates with MS-DOS style files and with all software residing in ROM. It appears that the basic machine comes with 32K of RAM expandable to 128K or 224K with special 96K upgrade kits. It is classified as a "lap-size" or "handheld" computer; this with the dimensions being 11 1/2" x 12 1/2" x 2 1/2" and weighing about 9 1/2 pounds. It comes with a 16 line x 80 character LCD screen, 3 1/2" drive and a build-in modem. Built in software includes MS Works V1.2 with Word, Calendar, File, Telecom, and Multiplan.

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8088s seattle comp.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Subject: Re: Seattle Computer CPU Module > The 8080 is a 40-pin package. The Z-80 is a 48-pin package. If I > remember correctly (my life in computers started with the Z-80, really, Whn I got up off the floor laughing... The z80, 8085, 8080 are all 40 pin packages and the z80 in any varient was never in a 48 pin package. The z180 aka 64180 was a 64 pin package or 68pin plcc. > since my friend with the Altair when I was in the USAF didn't let me at > the hardware, he knew my [inclined to injure myself] soldering skills). > This generally means that an adapter was needed to plug a Z-80 into a > board designed for a 8080. But I started my real computer career when Not true. there were z80 based boards to replace the 8080 board. For a while due to costs there where boards that carried z80s that would plug into an 8080 socket to upgrade the machine to z80 perfomance... > computers showed up where you didn't have to count the pins on the CPU, > specifically the TRS-80 (later renamed the Model One). I remember the > first time I looked down into a Model 16 and saw the MC68000 and wondered > why the hell that thing wasn't climbing up the side of the Empire State > Building. What you missed was the ti9900 chip that was 3 years older and also 64 pins. FYI the ti9900 chips was a 16bit cpu! Allison --LAA09304.865785477/europe.std.com--

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Sage IV...

by kevan＠motiv.co.uk

Hi all, I have just recieved this email offering me a Sage IV. I am not interested as I already have one so the cost of shipping to here in the UK isn't worth it. So if someone wants it contact him directly. Kevan ------- Forwarded Message To: collector(a)heydon.org Subject: sage IV Hello, I own a Sage IV computer and have some word processing software and spreadsheet software for the computer. I also own two amber monitors for the Sage IV. If you are interested in purchasing these, or know a source in the United States that is interested in this computer equipment, please leave me a note on the web, or at CompuServe 76627,224 Jim Krasno (my wife is Nancy Nelson) Jim ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Bit-3 Full-View80 video card for Atari 800

by idavis＠comland.com

At 07:23 PM 6/9/97 -0700, Jeff wrote: >written specifically for the Bit-3 or not? Also, could someone tell me >the power requirements for an Atari 850 interface, as I also picked up >one of those but it didn't have the PSU. Thanks. > > Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ >Collector of Classic Computers: Amiga 1000, Apple II+, Atari 800, >800XL, MegaST-2, XE System, Coleco Adam, Commodore 128D, 16, Plus/4, >VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, >Radofin Aquarius, TI-99/4A, Sinclair ZX-81, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 >Color Computer 3, Model 4, and Model 4P. Also Odyssey2, Atari SuperPong >and Atari 2600VCS game consoles > I have been using the same power supply for my 850 as my 800. Come to think of it, just about everything I have hooked to my atari is using the exact same power supplies, except for the 1027 printer which has a different sized connector. I will double check the 850 manual when I get home, but I know I just grabbed a regular old atari 800 power supply and started using it. If it turns out to be different, I will post the requirements. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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Trade for board?

by kyrrin＠wizards.net

Although I currently have a decent QBUS-to-SCSI adapter (Sigma Information Systems model RQD11), it does not appear to be capable of handling, or booting from, a CD-ROM drive with its current revision of firmware. Despite this, it does appear to work quite well (recognized by the MicroVAX it's plugged into, sees devices on the SCSI bus). Since I need to boot from CD, though, the board is of little use to me in its current state. Anyone on here interested in maybe trading me an Emulex or Dilog SCSI card for this one? I do have the original manual (and if you think that was easy to find...) ;-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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TI99 (was Re: 8088s seattle comp.)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Personally, my opinion of the TI-99/4a varies from stupid piece of shit > to semi-decent machine. Today I feel like stupid piece of shit. It was > almost completely closed, it's BASIC sucked and was slow, it's keyboard I have two of the beasts and a expansion box with floppy, ram, aftermarket ram and rs232 and ever the little talker thing and a box of games. It is slow. The manuals for the cpu and expansion were available, I got them. It's a compilation of the things you can do to a good cpu to make it run slow and try to do everything. > but then, I came from the world of Apple ][, to which nothing could > compare (uh oh, here come the holy wars). It's attraction? One it was cheaper than an apple with disks! When TI had the great sell off the console was $50, expansion $50, and modules $25-100. That made it appealingly cheap for what it was. I got my during the fire sale so they have been with me since new and work great. Parsec is still a favorite game. Since I have the editor, assember and other packages I also use it for assembly of TI9900 code for the technico board. An aside: The ti994a was an attempt at the time of emerging PCs to deliver the home computing applance. Everyone had an idea and generally the all were poor. Even the original PC was really bad, mostly closed design. They were all noteable as it told marketers what would fly and what had to be there. Amusingly the ti has what every P5 box has today, graphics, sound, games so they weren't that far off <in a perverse sort of way>. Allison

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Where do I find classic stuff in MN, SD, ND

by ekman＠lysator.liu.se

Greetings! I will be going to the US next week and would naturally like to take the chance to find some classic stuff. It presently looks like I will be moving around the states Minnesota, South Dakota and North Dakota. Unfortunately, airline baggage regulations will not allow me to purchase any considerable amounts of hardware, so I will be mostly interested in software. Does anyone have any information about shops or other places in those states where I may purchase classic software (or hardware)? I mostly collect Commodore, but anything is of potential interest. /Fredrik

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C64 thingy

by dastar＠crl.com

I picked up a Commodore 64 a while ago that had this special board inside. It was inserted between the keyboard and the motherboard. IE. it had a connector that plugged into the keyboard rolex connector on the motherboard and then the keyboard ribbon cable plugged into it. Then it had a 9-pin male D-type connector than came out the back of the C64. My guess is that it was for a numeric keypad or something. I forgot what was stamped on the circuit board. Any ideas? Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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(fwd) FREE: Collection of Early MS-DOS/PC-DOS SW and manuals

by ynagasaw＠ic.sunysb.edu

I would really like to get old Windows and Turbo Prolog, but I can not go there to pick them up. Is it impossible to send them to me? Of course I will pay for shipping and every thing. Thank you, Yujin Nagasawa

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Radofin Aquarius

by jeffh＠unix.aardvarkol.com

Of course, Sam and others have taken to talking about the Mattel Aquarius lately, but I've never seen a mention of the Radofin version, which other than the lack of 'Mattel' logos and the change to the model number and label on the bottom of the machine, is identical. Were many of them sold? Does anyone else out there have one? About all I've been able to learn is that since Radofin was the actual manufacturer of both versions, they continued to produce it for an unknown length of time after Mattel dropped it from their line. There's not even a mention of it on any of the Aquarius references on the web. Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Apple II+, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Coleco ADAM, Commodore 128D, 16, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osborne Executive, Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, Model 4, and Model 4P, plus Odyssey2, Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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(fwd) FREE: Collection of Early MS-DOS/PC-DOS SW and manuals

by danjo＠xnet.com

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How to read/write TRS-80 diskettes from PC?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Does anyone know how to read/write TRS-80 Model I format diskettes with > a PC? > > I have a CompatiCard II and a Copy II Option Board. I assume the Option > Board is able to copy TRS-80 diskettes (I hope, just got it this weekend > and haven't tried yet) but I need to actually write files. Sydex 22Disk > appears to support only CP/M formats. TRS-80 disks are single density, single sided, soft sector non-cpm unless after market cpm is installed. The original disk controller was wd1771. There is two form to trs-80 disks those from TRSDOS and those from DiskBASIC. As far as I remember(18 years!) they were compatble with each other. Their structure was very unlike CP/M and it used a FAT style of directory. Now to add to the pain, there were various mods that allowed for double density and even two sided disk drives. If so the controller was wd1793 in the form of a piggy back card. Knowing the controller used is important as some of the system out there created disk formats that are completely unreadable by anything other than a system with 1771/1793! Allison

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TRS-80, etc.

by coslor＠pscosf.peru.edu

Howdy folks: I am writing this to let you know... if you would like to be mailed a very complete listing of TRS-80 hardware and software, just e-mail me with your name and mailing address to coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu. This listing costists of 65 pages and will be sent via 1st Class mail ASAP. If you would like it even quicker, please send $3 to the address below to cover MOST of the shipping charges... you would then be 'prioritized'. I collect all types of TRS-80 hardware and software, and specialize in games in both original diska nd tape format, as well as converted for use with modern PC emulators. I have a HUGE collection and would like to share this with others. I like to think I have 'nearly' every commercially sold game (and hundreds of others) written for the TRS-80 line of computers. I also have most applications and DOSs ... all for the Model 1,3,4 as well as a limited supply of CoCo hardware and software. I also collect for many other classic systems, including but not limited to: MSX, Colour Genie, Apple ][, Apple ][e, Apple ][c, Apple ][+, Commodore 64, C-16, Vic 20, Plus 4, Atari series, Coleco, Sincalire Spectrum, P2000, and Vectrex systems. All I ask for most of the software is to be compensated for my expenses (postage, media, etc.) and have very low prices on most of my hardware as I have accumulated a large inventory over the years and need to clear my shelves. I am also looking for the following items in particular: 1) YOUR classic hardware and/or software. I am always buying and trading for those item. 2) 80-Micro, TRS-80 Microcomputing News, Computer News 80, and 80-US Journal magazines, etc. 3) Original manuals, instruction, and game boxes concerning the TRS-80 4) Atari 800 - Atari Artist cartridge. A800LX - RX8053. Just please remember, I am always buying, selling, and trading for these hard to find items... even for things not on the above list. If you're looking for something or have some things to offer... PLEASE let me know. I simply love the TRS-80 and other classic machines and would appreciate any help you may be able to provide in expanding my collection. I most gladly will help you out in adding to your own classic computer or game machine collection. Finally, I have ALL my original disk, tape, and cartridge software... for all systems, converted to run on their respective PC emulators! Send me your want lists, request for a catalog, or what you have to offer: via e-mail, United States Postal Service, or give me a call... I look forward to hearing from you. Best Wishes, CORD COSLOR //*=====================================================================++ || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE || || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 || || Classic computer software and hardware collector || || Autograph collector || ++=====================================================================*//

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Cleaning Plastic

by chemif＠mbox.queen.it

At 05:38 09/06/97 -0700, Greg Mast wrote: > > I apologize if this is a repeat question but I can't seem to find the > previous post. > > What were the solutions to removing yellowing from the plastic cases? I > bought a printer that looks terrible. Not sure what caused it so any > suggestions helpful at this point. > > thanks, > > Greg > Hi Greg, I don't know if this will help you in solving cleaning problems, but here is my favourite: FULCRON from AREXONS. I do maintenance and cleaning of computer cases since 10 years (for both job and passion), and i found it to clean jellow stains (caused by nicotine) EVEN BETTER THAN TRIELINE (honestly I find it better than anything else for any kind of dirt exept: paint and ink). It seems to take away the outer layer of jellowing but is not smelling like any petrol derived-solvent. I don't know if you will be able to find it there (AREXONS it's a multinational company, isn't it?), but here in Italy was introduced 3 years ago and now you can find it in any detergent shop. For ink and tape adhesive I use a ISOPROPILIC ALCOOL based product called TERGITUTTO, but this time the company (Sutter) I'm shure it's Italian only, so try to find a similar remedy in your town. Bye Riccardo Romagnoli. Classic Computer Collector Forli' - Italy

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Removing adhesive (RE: Cleaning Plastic)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

I recommend "3M General Purpose Adhesive Remover", which is inexpensive and comes in a red and white quart-size can that will last you until roughly the year 2020. Some hardware stores carry it, but it's most reliably found at an auto paint supply store (check your local yellow pages). I once used this stuff to remove an entire vinyl top from a '68 Chevy, so I can tell you it really does work, and does not appear to harm either your skin or any kind of plastic. Doesn't smell very bad, and isn't highly flammable. In response to an earlier question, Cameo copper cleaner can be found in most any grocery store or general goods store. Kai > ---------- > From: Sam Ismail[SMTP:dastar@crl.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Monday, June 09, 1997 10:56 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic > > On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Mr. Self Destruct wrote: > > > I've always just used those blue brillo pad thingys. They generally > do > > well at taking off a bunch of hard to remove stuff (tape spooge, > stains, > > etc.) Sometimes when I'm REALLY bored I take the keyboard apart > (keycaps, > > etc.) and scrub them up too. Real satisfying to see a 12 year old > machine > > look like new... > > Regarding "tape spooge" (what a great moniker, if not gross) this is > the > bane of my existence. I hate that shit. I went out and got some > stuff > called Goof Off from Home Depot which was supposed to do away with > that > stuff but it didn't work very well. I didn't try it on anything metal > > yet, but most of my problems are with people putting velcro with the > sticky backs on plastic cases. I tried cleaning some plastic with > tape > spooge on it and it just melted the damn thing. Anyone have any > ideas? > > Sam > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, > Writer, Jackass >

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Cleaning Plastic

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Yellowing may be irreversible. I've been thinking of removing all electronics from a case, and soaking it in dilute bleach solution overnight. I did find a great method for removing permanent marker from textured plastic. Cameo copper cleaner powder works great and doesn't harm the texture. For other stains, I use a Scotch Brite pad of the type that says it's safe on fiberglass. I'd sure like to find a good method for cleaning keyboards. Kai > ---------- > From: Greg Mast[SMTP:gmast@polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Monday, June 09, 1997 12:10 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Cleaning Plastic > > I apologize if this is a repeat question but I can't seem to find the > previous post. > > What were the solutions to removing yellowing from the plastic cases? > I > bought a printer that looks terrible. Not sure what caused it so any > suggestions helpful at this point. > > thanks, > > Greg >

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How to read/write TRS-80 diskettes from PC?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Does anyone know how to read/write TRS-80 Model I format diskettes with a PC? I have a CompatiCard II and a Copy II Option Board. I assume the Option Board is able to copy TRS-80 diskettes (I hope, just got it this weekend and haven't tried yet) but I need to actually write files. Sydex 22Disk appears to support only CP/M formats. Any ideas? thanks Kai

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Buzzing PS?

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

Hi, The Apple /// I picked up last weekend has one annoying flaw, and that is a *very* loud power supply, that seems to get louder the longer the machine is powered up. I think this thing becomes even louder than our 1950s-era Westinghouse refrigerator. (OK, perhaps an exaggeration, but the sound seems to carry farther.) There is nothing obviously functionally wrong with the computer - it boots up fine, there's no wavering or glitching in the display, nothing to say that something might be wrong. Except the buzzing. It makes me nervous. Is this noise normal, or is it a sign that something is about to go kablooie? And if something's wrong, is there any way of knowing which part is about to go? It looks like the power supply should be easy to repair, but I don't know what I'm doing with these things. I know it's been stated here that power supplies should be checked before powering anything up, but I don't really know how to do that, and sometimes I'm just too impatient to see my new toys running. Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca

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C64 CP/M carts (was: Re: Yet another weekend haul story)

by steve＠kennard.keme.co.uk

At 18:08 09/06/97 -0400, you wrote: > >On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, George Lin wrote: > >> At 11:24 PM 6/1/97 -0700, you wrote: >> ><...> >> >> accessories including a CP/M cartridge for C64 >> > >> >A CP/M _carthridge_? Awesome. >> >> I just tried it yesterday. Pretty cool. The Z80 is in the cartridge. The >> package comes with a CP/M 2.2 diskette for 1541 and a condensed CP/M manual >> by Commodore (copyright 1983). There is a K-Mart price tag on the original >> box that reads $54. Not bad. > >This reminds me... I also have a Z80 cartridge for the C64. But it's not >the one from Commodore. It's from a company called DATA 20 Corporation. > >I haven't been able to get it to work. It has what looks like a connector >for a power supply on the back, but I didn't get the PS with it. It also >came without any disks, though it did have a cassette in the box with it, >which says "Use side A for Commodore 64/Use side B for VIC 20". > >It's a Z-80 Video Pak, that combines the Z80 processor AND an 80-column >display adapter into one (big fat) cartridge. > >To quote from the box: > > The Z-80 Video Pak brings the convenience of an 80 column screen and > the power of a CP/M compatible operating system to the Commodore 64. > > Designed to be used with a monitor, the Z-80 Video Pak lets the > Commodore 64 owner switch to a 40 or 80 column screen in black and > white, or back to the standard color screen. All switching is done > through software and no cables need to be moved. > > The Z-80 Video Pak has its own Z-80 microprocessor and operating > system which allows the 64 to run CP/M software formatted for the > Commodore 1541 disk drive. A Terminal mode which brings communication > with central data bases is included at no extra cost. The Z-80 Video > Pak also supports the advanced screen handling features of all Video > Pak models such as erase to the end of line, erase to end of screen, > and dump screen to printer. > > >If anyone out there knows this thing's power requirements (AAAGH! Another >wall-wart!) and where to get CP/M disks in 1541 format, please tell. :) > > >Doug Spence >ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca > >Hi you lot in the USA. I have a Boxed CPM cart and Disk Commodore Original, Anybody want it?? Emulator BBS 01284 760851 Keeping 8-Bit ALIVE

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Yet another weekend haul story

by george.lin＠documentum.com

I responded to a Usenet post regarding some UCSD P-Code stuff. It turned out the guy had a garage of other stuff that he was trying to get rid of. Here's what I got in two carloads: o 1 Kaypro II, 1 Kaypro 2X (dead--for parts), 1 Kaypro 4 o 1 boxed Commodore 64, 1 Commodore 128, plus a bunch of Commodore accessories including a CP/M cartridge for C64 o 1 Osborne Executive o 1 Compaq suitcase o 1 Atari 520ST (dead--for parts), 1 Atari 1040ST, 1 boxed Atari Falcon030, plus 2 Atari RGB monitors and other Atari accessories o 1 boxed Timex Sinclair 1000 o 1 TRS-80 Model 1 with expansion interface and disk drive o 1 Vector 4 o 2 Apple IIc's, one of them is a rare prototype o 20 Xerox paper cartons full of original software on disks/tapes for the above systems, manuals, out-of-print computer books, and old computer magazines The price? Free. George P.S. My back still hurts. -- ______________________________ ______________________________ / /\ / /\ / George Lin _/ /\ / Opinions expressed in this _/ /\ / Antique Computer Collector / \/ / message do not necessarily / \/ / http://museum.home.ml.org /\ / reflect my employer's. /\ /_____________________________/ / /_____________________________/ / \_____________________________\/ \_____________________________\/ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ Apple IIe, IIc, Mac 512K, Atari 800, 800XL, 1040ST, Falcon030, VCS, 5200, ColecoVision VGS, Commodore 64, 64C, 128, plus/4, Compaq, Eagle II, KayPro II, 4, Nintendo NES, Osborne Executive, TI 99/4A, Timex Sinclair 1000, 1500, TriGem SLT-100, TRS-80 Model I, III, 100, Color Computer 2, Vector 4.

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Removing adhesive (RE: Cleaning Plastic)

by K.J.Whitehead＠massey.ac.nz

>On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Kai Kaltenbach wrote: > >> I recommend "3M General Purpose Adhesive Remover", which is inexpensive >> and comes in a red and white quart-size can that will last you until >> roughly the year 2020. Some hardware stores carry it, but it's most >> reliably found at an auto paint supply store (check your local yellow >> pages). >> >> In response to an earlier question, Cameo copper cleaner can be found in >> most any grocery store or general goods store. > >Ok, there have been so many cleansers thrown around in the last 12 hours >that I think its time to compile a list of these with their respective >uses and throw it in the FAQ. > >Sam >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Well you can add CRC 226 and 556, They don't harm platics (actually they give it a nice gloss if you like that sorta thing) Works really well on these "permanant" paper labels. Cheers +----------- Keith Whitehead -----------+ | Physics and Chemistry Depts | | Massey University | | Palmerston North | | New Zealand | | | | Ph +64 6 350-5074 Fax +64 6 354-0207 | +------------------------------------------+

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Radofin Aquarius

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Wish I had one. ---------- > From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Radofin Aquarius > Date: Monday, June 09, 1997 3:41 PM > > On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Jeff Hellige wrote: > > > Of course, Sam and others have taken to talking about the Mattel Aquarius > > lately, but I've never seen a mention of the Radofin version, which other than > > the lack of 'Mattel' logos and the change to the model number and label on the > > bottom of the machine, is identical. Were many of them sold? Does anyone > > else out there have one? About all I've been able to learn is that since > > Radofin was the actual manufacturer of both versions, they continued to > > produce it for an unknown length of time after Mattel dropped it from their > > line. There's not even a mention of it on any of the Aquarius references on > > the web. > > I'd never even heard of it until you mentioned it to me previous. I > would think that it's kinda rare. > > Sam > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Buzzing PS?

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I have a /// for parts! ---------- > From: Doug Spence <ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Buzzing PS? > Date: Monday, June 09, 1997 4:21 PM > > > On Fri, 30 May 1997, A.R. Duell wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > The Apple /// I picked up last weekend has one annoying flaw, and that is > ^^^ > > > a *very* loud power supply, that seems to get louder the longer the > > > machine is powered up. > > <snip> > > > > Is this noise normal, or is it a sign that something is about to go > > > kablooie? And if something's wrong, is there any way of knowing which > > > part is about to go? > > > > No it's not normal. The Apple uses a switching type supply, and there > > shouldn't be any 60Hz waveforms anywhere after the mains > > rectifier/smoothing cap. If it's buzzing there is a problem > > OK, here's a question from an electronics-know-nothing (which hopefully > isn't in the FAQ, else I'll look like a complete idiot :) ): How do I > tell the difference between a switching supply and a linear supply? Just > from looking at it. > > I get the idea that linear supplies have honking big transformers in them, > and switching supplies don't. > > > It _may_ be nothing more than the mains filter coil (if it has one), or it > > may be a dried up smoothing capacitor (the 2 big ones rated at about 300V) > > that needs replacing. You could try those first. > > I don't remember there being any very large capcitors. (Nothing like in > my PET 2001, anyway... hooo boy! ;) ). I'll take another look inside to > see if I can spot the ones you're talking about. > > <snip> > > > Apple PSUs are easy to check. The 6 way cable unplugs from the main board, > > and the wiring is given in the Apple ][ reference manual. Just connect a > > voltmeter between the +5V output and the ground wire (red and black?) and > > power up. I don't think you need a dummy load. If you don't get 5V when > > you power up, you need to sort out that PSU. > > Well, the ][ and /// use different connectors, but I noticed that the > ///'s supply has info on the PCB. > > The supply works, BTW. As I mentioned, the system powers up and runs as > if nothing were wrong. The noise the power supply makes just makes me > nervous. > > > -- > > -tony > > ard12(a)eng.cam.ac.uk > > The gates in my computer are AND,OR and NOT, not Bill > > Doug Spence > ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca

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Cleaning boards/keyboards

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Bill mentions sticking a keyboard in a dishwasher. Bill, I assume you've > done this, and it's OK? I would think that with the heat of drying and > all it would kill the components. Over the years I've done this to de-crud boards, keyboards and equipment dropped in salt water. Water generally will not harm electronics save for stuff made of paper liek speakers. The real problem is insuring it is completely dry after cleaning. A warm, under 180F oven works for this. Removing keycaps and the like first is a good thing. Also some keyboards by their contruction will trap water if it gets in and baking it out is the only way short of sometimes destructive disassembly. FYI, water gets coffee out the best if there ie a small amout of soap to break surface tension. Try to use soaps that are not chemically active and corrosion forming. Woolite is good in the sink for this and most dishwasher soaps are ok. Logic boards like DEC modules, motherboards and the like clean well in the dishwasher. I've done boards in the sink with a soft bristle brush and woolite and dried them by blotting with several paper towels and oven dry. The sometimes look better than new. Remember (not a joke!) Rinse well when doing this. FYI: resist the temptation to vacuum as the moving air can cause static charges that can do subtle and long term damage to ICs, even ttl. Dishwasing is actually safer. Allison

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Teaneck Findings

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> > > DEC KBD01 - a true whatsit - 8085 based, in one of the LSI-11/2 deskto > > > boxes, RS-232 (maybe) and another D connector on back. Any clues? I > > > no clue. (I purchased this as well) > > > > IF the box is a BDV11VA (or that size 13x12x4.5) it's a remote diagnosti > > port. Plugs in to the console port and does a modem link for remote use. > > For VAXen with that Remote Diagnostic Module? For late PDP-11s/vax11s and it plugged into the console port and subbed for same. By doing that all boot console functions were available even if the system was otherwise down. Not all PDPs supported this. An old item. Allison

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Cleaning Plastic

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I've found that instead of bug and tar remover, I use charcoal starter. Originally I used this on my car, at .79cents vs 3.bucks. Works well on machines too. To remove stenciling on computers I use fingernail polish remover, BUT DON'T get it on printed LOGOS! Bill ---------- > From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic > Date: Monday, June 09, 1997 2:25 PM > > > Regarding "tape spooge" (what a great moniker, if not gross) this is the > > bane of my existence. I hate that shit. I went out and got some stuff > > called Goof Off from Home Depot which was supposed to do away with that > > stuff but it didn't work very well. I didn't try it on anything metal > > yet, but most of my problems are with people putting velcro with the > > sticky backs on plastic cases. I tried cleaning some plastic with tape > > spooge on it and it just melted the damn thing. Anyone have any ideas? > > I've got a bottle of stuff labeled "Bug and Tar remover" that seems to > work just fine for me. I bought it several years ago, and it's > chock-full of all sorts of hydrocarbons and ketones. If environmental > regulations haven't completely banned the sale of this stuff, I'd > expect you can still find it in automotive stores. > > Many of the fluorocarbon-based cleaners did a better job on sticker > residue, but these are all but impossible to get anymore. > > Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)

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old hardware

by foxvideo＠mail.wincom.net

Last fall I was given the remains of something(?) from a local municipal office. It has been in my garage all winter, and since our Canadian weather has finally warmed up a bit, I went out to have a look. The only identification that I can reach is on the two drives which are a few hundred pounds each and are Century Data Systems Model T80 A's. Can anyone tell me anything about them? There is also another rack about the same size, but it is buried in other junk and is not accessable. The deal also included a Calcomp 1041 plotter which runs the test plot, but doesn't want to talk to my Windows 95/486. Regards Charlie Fox

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This weekend's haul

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 11:43 PM 6/8/97 +0100, you wrote: >>This weekend was pretty quiet, though I did pick up a couple >>ColecoVision cartridges, including 'Turbo' with the 'Expansion Module I managed to pick up an "HP Touch Accessory" (a touch screen add-on) new in the box and (though it's not really a computer) an Interactive Network console also in the box. I'm happy to find this list too! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Misc.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> I have a bit of DEC stuff including a Minc (I think that is the correct > spelling) that I have no idea what it was used for, a couple of 11/23s, Labratory computer designed for easy interface to programable instruments and other experiments. Allison

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Chisolm

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

On Fri, 6 Jun 1997 Marvin Johnston wrote : > Wow, I think I am beginning to like this listserver! Only just beginning ;-) > It has an LCD screen with a decent keyboard on it. So far so good... > The size is approximately 12" wide x 8" > deep x 5" high and the LCD screen folds up typical of a portable. > It has a couple of standard bus size cards (one is missing) but uses > the header type connector (2 x 50?) instead of the gold fingers to > plug into the backplane. Nope, not a Gavilan which was was only a couple of inches tall and had no internal slots (for cards at least). > If this is a Gavilan, are docs, schematics, and parts still available? I doubt it, there used to be quite an active Gavilan group in Silicon Valley many years ago and if anyone has need I can try and dredge up some long forgotten names... Hans B Pufal

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Olivetti XP 1050/SP

by dastar＠crl.com

I saw an Olivetti XP 1050/SP that I passed up the other day cuz it looked like a common PC clone type dealy. Anyone have any information on this? Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

29 years

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Dead PET for free

by dastar＠crl.com

Here's another one. Hope someone finds a use for this... Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Newgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: (fwd) Take my PET, please! Ok, forgive the corny subject line... I have a C=PET 4016 here that is in a serious state of disrepair. When I got it, it wasn't working and I tried to fix it up to no avail. In it's current state, it's little more than a big metal & plastic paperweight to me. I'm GIVING IT AWAY (You pay S&H) to anyone on one condition: That you try to fix 'er up or use the parts to fix another commodore computer. I don't want to see this go to the dumpster, folks. It deserves better. I'm even willing to throw in a few C64 disks for taking it away :) If interested, respond via email - dross4(a)niu.edu Dave Ross / Doc Watson | "Make me one with everything," said the dross4(a)niu.edu | Zen Buddist to the hot dog vendor. - - - - - - - - - - - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Long live the C=64/128!| http://www.cs.niu.edu/~z956832/homepage.htm -- Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Introduction

by BROBSTONA＠wartburg.edu

>My story mirrors yours. I, too, learned on the Aquarius, and I loved >it. I then moved on to the Apple ][+. I have few regrets in my life, >but of the more nerdy ones, I regret ever selling my Aquarius to finance >the purchase of my Apple ][+. I had all the peripherals for it >(including the thermal printer and datasette, and of course the expansion >module with controllers and a 4K RAM carthridge). I didn't have quite as much for it, probably. I had the mini-expander with controls, and four cassettes, which I think were D&D Treasures of Tarmin, Utopia, Night Stalker, and Biorhythms. I got Chess later as a gift. I didn't have the "official" data recorder, but I got a regular tape recorder to work once in a while for storage. I remember writing programs for it. I remember also typing in that what-seemed-so-long "Digital Clock" program from the manual. I left out all the REM statements because they were "optional," I thought from my programming experience and what the manual said. I didn't realize that all the branching statements went to those REM's. Eventually, I got it to work, and I thought it was really neat. I was easily entertained at age seven. When my parents' friends came over, their two kids and I had Utopia tournaments. Often, they got very mean, and we'd end up fighting because "you broke the agreement about not sinking my fishing boat," and one of us would retaliate by putting rebels on the other's island with all our money until the game got pointless because no one had anything left. I may still have the price list around somewhere - I know I had it a long time after buying anything would have been an option, but I don't know if it got thrown out or not. I bugged my parents about getting me a printer for it, but they never did, and I didn't have any money of my own (I was only between about six and eight). In my original list of computers, I forgot my Atari 2600, possibly because I didn't consider it a computer, but rather a video game machine. (Wasn't there a keyboard setup of some sort that you could get for it? I could be wrong about that.) I still have that at home, too. I don't remember all the games I had for it. I remember being really mad that the "Indy 500" "driving controls" wouldn't work as paddles with Warlords, and I never got the real paddle controls. I think we took Warlords back to the store. (I could, again, be mistaken about all these titles...) >Ahhhh, I miss those days. I hear ya! -- Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu http://www.wartburg.edu/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College as a whole.

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Introduction

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I'f I remember correctly there was a "Keypad" that allowed you to enter BASIC code and a BASIC language cartridge. Seems I found the cartridge at a garage sale and used to have one, but could never find a working keypad. I have now abandoned the 2600 years ago in an attempt to get rid of some the toys I never "play" with anymore. I find myself re-buying many of the things i've sold. So my new rule is , unless I have two, I sell nothing. Bill ---------- > From: Andy Brobston <BROBSTONA(a)wartburg.edu> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Introduction > Date: Sunday, June 08, 1997 9:03 PM > > >My story mirrors yours. I, too, learned on the Aquarius, and I loved > >it. I then moved on to the Apple ][+. I have few regrets in my life, > >but of the more nerdy ones, I regret ever selling my Aquarius to finance > >the purchase of my Apple ][+. I had all the peripherals for it > >(including the thermal printer and datasette, and of course the expansion > >module with controllers and a 4K RAM carthridge). > > I didn't have quite as much for it, probably. I had the mini-expander > with controls, and four cassettes, which I think were D&D Treasures of > Tarmin, Utopia, Night Stalker, and Biorhythms. I got Chess later as a > gift. I didn't have the "official" data recorder, but I got a regular > tape recorder to work once in a while for storage. I remember writing > programs for it. I remember also typing in that what-seemed-so-long > "Digital Clock" program from the manual. I left out all the REM > statements because they were "optional," I thought from my programming > experience and what the manual said. I didn't realize that all the > branching statements went to those REM's. Eventually, I got it to > work, and I thought it was really neat. I was easily entertained at > age seven. When my parents' friends came over, their two kids and I > had Utopia tournaments. Often, they got very mean, and we'd end up > fighting because "you broke the agreement about not sinking my fishing > boat," and one of us would retaliate by putting rebels on the other's > island with all our money until the game got pointless because no one > had anything left. > > I may still have the price list around somewhere - I know I had it a > long time after buying anything would have been an option, but I don't > know if it got thrown out or not. I bugged my parents about getting me > a printer for it, but they never did, and I didn't have any money of > my own (I was only between about six and eight). > > In my original list of computers, I forgot my Atari 2600, possibly > because I didn't consider it a computer, but rather a video game > machine. (Wasn't there a keyboard setup of some sort that you could > get for it? I could be wrong about that.) I still have that at home, > too. I don't remember all the games I had for it. I remember being > really mad that the "Indy 500" "driving controls" wouldn't work as > paddles with Warlords, and I never got the real paddle controls. I > think we took Warlords back to the store. (I could, again, be mistaken > about all these titles...) > > >Ahhhh, I miss those days. > > I hear ya! > -- > Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu > http://www.wartburg.edu/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html > My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College > as a whole.

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8088s seattle comp.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Yes, I've since seen the guts of a TI-99/4A. I ignored it for many years > since the time I first played with a TI-99/4 at the computer store in Las > Vegas, wrote a BASIC loop to count to a hundred and got there first > counting out loud. I've been shown since that the machine was reasonably > fast, as long as you avoided BASIC, but that was the only tool at the Basic was slow. But since I'd had the technico board for a few years before the TI99 I'd been into assembler. The TI9900 cpu is a bit slow as it was very memory intensive (registers AKA workspace was an allocated block of ram). IT was a real computer archetecture compared to the 8080. When compared to z80 at 2.5mhz or faster it was slower. But that was the spped they could get out of silicon and the ti99 tried to cost reduce it by narrowing the bus slowing it further. Still in many other ways it was a more sophisticated cpu with memory banking when that was rarely heard of. Allison

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yo

by dastar＠crl.com

I was watching this program on cable called the Computer Bowl or something hosted by Ziff-Davis publishing where they had two teams of nerds answering computer and computer industry related questions. One of the questions was: What was the serial number on the first Apple ][ computer? Answer tomorrow. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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[Fwd: FS: Ancient Unix Boxen]

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

This was posted on a local newsgroup. Don't know if the guy wants to ship them but I thought I should forward this. Greg

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Introduction

by BROBSTONA＠wartburg.edu

I'm fairly new to the list, so I'd like to introduce myself (and my computers). I am typing this message right now on an Apple IIGS. I've worked with most of the older Apple II series computers also. I still actively use my Apple IIGS for nearly every task that most people think requires a "new" computer. My first computer, on which I learned a *lot* about programming, was the Mattel Aquarius, which I still own. I've been looking off and on for information about it. The FAQ is nice, but I know of at least one possible inaccuracy: the "Chess" game was released, I'm reasonably sure, because I have it. The computer's not too bad of a player, either, if I remember (it's been *years* since I've used the machine - I'm living at college right now, and the Aquarius is at home). I know now that a lot of people didn't like the Aquarius. I thought it was a really neat machine. I probably learned more from it that from any other single learning tool I've ever had, with the *possible* exception of my IIGS. I'm looking forward to hearing about anyone else's experiences with the Aquarius (or even the IIGS, though info about that is still plentiful on comp.sys.apple2). -- Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu http://www.wartburg.edu/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College as a whole.

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Digital Imaging (was: Re: Chisolm)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 08:53 AM 6/6/97 -0700, you wrote: >One of the things on my wish list is a digital camera so I can easily >digitize photos of stuff like this. I have been trying to decide the best way to get images into digital form. Naturally, a digital camera is one way, but not the only. There's also the photo/scanner method, camcorder/video capture, and probably others. As I see it, the pros/cons are: DigCam: + Easy to use, convenient - Expensive to buy, somewhat limited capacity, no hard copy of images (except printer output) Photo/Scanner: + Hard Copy, can be used for other stuff too - Film and Developing can be expensive, takes time Camcorder: + Easy to use, Allows for selecting the right image from several views - Video capture hardware/software isn't cheap So, does anyone have thoughts on which is best? I'd like a scanner for other things, but they're expensive too. There's also the question of 35mm vs. polaroid and type of scanner. (Not to mention where the heck would I put it!) I've got a camcorder and my girlfriend's mac supposedly can do video capture as is, but I've got to find software and figure it out. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Digital Imaging (was: Re: Chisolm)

by jonathan＠holly.ninja.ml.org

> There are also 'classic' CCD cameras. There was a thing made by > 'Datacopy' that had a linear CCD that was mechanically scanned > across the frame (motor + leadscrew). There was certainly a PERQ > interface for this (made by GHS/Audre' in Canada), and I guess > others as well. > > These solutions sound a lot more fun than a modern PC-based system. Yes :-) I remember the PCWs we used to have at school. They had small scanning devices that replaced the print head on the printer. The computer would make the printer scan the entire sheet of paper, line by line, and in this way it built up the image... Not the fastest of scanners, but fun to watch it go! ___ _ _ ___ _ _| (_)(\)(-) | (-)(-)(\)

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intro sort of

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Hello, I'm Allison and I've been invloved with microcomputer since the introduction of the MCS8 (8008) and computers in general since the PDP-8. On site I have... they are all operational: DEC made: VT180 (cpm/zcpr) PDP-11/23 (RT-11 os) PDP-11/23+ (RT-11 os) PDP11/73 (RSTS or RT-11 os) PDT-11/130 (RT-11) MicroVAX2000 (Currently VMS5.4 later netbsd) MicrovaxII/gps (Currently VMS5.4 later netbsd) CPM and S100 systems: Northstar* s100 z80 (CP/M/zcpr, 40 meg hard disk) S100 (vector chasis) computime z80 and misc s100 cards (cpm/zcpr) SB180 (CPM2.2/zcpr 3.5" floppies and 20meg hard disk) Ampro Little board (CP/m/ZCPR 3.5" floppies and 42meg hard disk) Explorer85 8085 (NS*dos cpm1.4) Epson PX8 geneva with 120k ramdisk and 64k ramdisk/300baud modem wedges (runs cpm from rom) Kaypro 4/84 (turborom and CPM) MITS Altair 8800 (I built this one in late 74, one of the early units) Misc Single board computers (demo boards) Intersil 6960 mdemo board, 6100 chip 12bit PDP-8 on a chip National Semi ISP8a500 low cost 8 bit cpu. Technico Inc board using texas instruments TI9900 chip 16 bit (also have a TI99/4A with w/expansion box and software) Motorola 6800D2 board National Semi Nibblebasic chip (CPU with rom basic on a chip) Original cosmac elf. RCA1802 IMSI IMP48 8035 cpu NEC TK80 8080 demo board. PCs Leading edge model D 8088 (dos) (several other PCs far too new (less than 10 years). Plus parts (8080s, 8085, 8088, peripheral chips, rams...) CPU chips 8080, 8085, 8086, 8088, 80188, 80186, 808286, z80s, 6800s, 6502, 1802, 6100, 6120(pdp8), 8748, 8035, 8749, 8039, 8751, 8031, T11chip (pdp11 on a chip), NECd78pg11, NEC d7800 Allison

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Tape drive help?

by kyrrin＠wizards.net

In the interests of getting an old DEC PDP-11 running, I've got an STC 9-track tape drive here, a model 2921. This is, apparently, one of the rare few that StorageTek (aka, STC/Telex) manufactured with a Pertec interface vs. their own. Based on conversations with a company that still maintains these old beasts, it appears that the CPU card has gone bad. I'd like to at least try and confirm this by swapping said card with a known-good one. So... anyone own a 2921 that they don't mind it being used as a guinea pig? ;-) Thanks in advance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Spare Chips

by idavis＠comland.com

At 08:47 PM 5/21/97 -0400, William Donzelli wrote: >And of course, grab hold of every spare chip available off of donor machines. > >William Donzelli >william(a)ans.net > I have found what seems to be a decent supply of eproms. I was looking at an old 2400 baud fax modem for my pc, and noticed that it had what looked like an eprom on it. I pulled the chip and peeled off the label, and it was a 27256 eprom. I also bought a 2400 baud modem at a thrift store for $2.00 and it had a 27128 eprom in it. This was cheaper than buying the eprom by itself. I paid $3.00 for a 2764, and didn't even price a 27128. I am going to start picking up all of the old cheap, almost worthless modems and grabbing the eproms out of them. You can probably pick up the modem for less than the price of the eprom that it holds. If anyone else knows of a cheap source of eproms or other chips, share it with us. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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Seattle Computer CPU Module

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> > The module was a "upgrade product for those wating a 8088 and having onl > > z80 cpu. By unplugging the z80 and putting in the card you could run 16 > > Does this mean it would work in place of any 8080 CPU? Any idea what > the 8 pin header on the component side of the board was used for? This > is interesting since these past comments are the first I have heard > about the module! No. first it was not an 8080 replacement. Though it may have subbed for 8085 as they were very similar. Two the system had to be configured to run 8088 code(wich is not 8080 or z80 compatable. I had done this to an 8085 system as the signals from the 8088 are the 8085 are very close. The extra plug was likely the remaining 4 address lines (16 bit vs 20 bit addressing). If I had one I could trace it out and regenerate the schematic. Allison

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Seattle Computer CPU Module

by KFergason＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-06-08 03:18:29 EDT, you write: << The 8080 is a 40-pin package. The Z-80 is a 48-pin package. If I remember correctly (my life in computers started with the Z-80, really, >> no. the z-80 is a 40-pin package. i got bunches. Kelly

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by pogi＠ns.qnis.net

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Seattle Computer CPU Module

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> > This info was obtained second hand from a guy I bought a bunch of > > SCP stuff from. Apparently a one-time friend of his work for them. > > Thus - this could be wrong. SCP made at least six models of computer > > the first being Z80 machines which ran CP/M, the next few being 8086 > > based which ran CPM-86 or SCP-DOS (which I'm pretty sure is MS-DOS > > 1.0 or the immediate prdecessor purchased by MS). The last were 8088 > > I never knew they called it SCP-DOS. All I ever heard it called was > "QDOS" -- Quick & Dirty Operating System, basically a crude CP/M clone. > -- > Ward Griffiths > "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within > the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." --Claire Wolfe > Hi, New here but here goes... The module was a "upgrade product for those wating a 8088 and having only z80 cpu. By unplugging the z80 and putting in the card you could run 16bit apps. qdos was not a clone it was and outright disassembly of CP/M80 v1.4 and reassembly to 8086/8. Allison

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Available: DEC Rainbow Memory Extension Cards

by djenner＠halcyon.com

I have available several PC100B Memory Extension cards for the Rainbow for giveaway, or for trade if you have something that interests me. At the moment, the cards are unpopulated, but you can generally find 256Kbit chips to fill the board for about a $1 junk PC card. (A fully populated board has at most 3 banks of 9 256Kbit chips for a total of 768K and a system total of 896K.) I can provide a copy of the memory configuration pamphlet. I will give preference to anyone who has something to trade, but feel free to ask even if you don't. If you have something to trade I will even go out and find the $1 junk board and populate the card! Here's what I am looking for: 1) BCC17 cable for use with a VT241 color monitor 2) Documentation for Rainbow Concurrent CP/M-86, especially programming references. 3) Venix/Rainbow software and documentation. Dave Jenner djenner(a)halcyon.com

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Polymorphic Computers

by marvin＠rain.org

I was checking the Polymorphic Systems computers I have against the "The Big List" and found an 8824. It is a partial chassis but looks similar to the others except it is designed for 8" drives. Since it is not complete, I'll have to check in the Engineering stuff to see if there is a description of it. I also found a chassis model 88DS. It doesn't match with the number in "The Big List" so I'll check further into that. Regarding the others, from the "System 88 User's Manual", copyright 1979. 1.1 SYSTEM 88 MODELS The System 88 product line consists of the System 8813, available with up to 3 mini-floppy drives; the System 8810 with one mini-floppy drive, and the 88/MS add-on with 2 large floppy drives. The 8813 and 8810 models are available with optional double-sided, double density, mini-floppy disk drives. The 88/MS, an add-on storage for the 8813, is available with either double or single-sided, double density large floppy disk drives.

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Digital Imaging (was: Re: Chisolm)

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

Hello, I have been doing some image transfer in the last few months. I bought a Color QuickCam for about $150. The resolution isn't that great but it is easy to use. I also bought a scanner last month through Onsale for $139 + $20 shipping. It came with Photoshop LE which I could sell (I already have Photoshop) for $30. Anyway that brings the cost for a color flatbed (300 x 600) scanner down to $129. It will scan photos with incredible resolution. Photo developing is $6-$10 per roll though. I've never used the camcorder method but I can't imagine it'll be any better than the QuickCam. I did buy a TV card for the PC (I'm still putting together) for $65 a while back. I think it has screen/image capture software and video inputs. If you already have a videocamera that would be your cheapest alternative. Besides, then you can watch Gilligans Island on your computer! > I have been trying to decide the best way to get images into digital form. > Naturally, a digital camera is one way, but not the only. There's also the > photo/scanner method, camcorder/video capture, and probably others. As I > see it, the pros/cons are: > > DigCam: + Easy to use, convenient > - Expensive to buy, somewhat limited capacity, > no hard copy of images (except printer output) > > Photo/Scanner: + Hard Copy, can be used for other stuff too > - Film and Developing can be expensive, takes time > > Camcorder: + Easy to use, Allows for selecting the right image > from several views > - Video capture hardware/software isn't cheap > > So, does anyone have thoughts on which is best? I'd like a scanner for > other things, but they're expensive too. There's also the question of 35mm > vs. polaroid and type of scanner. (Not to mention where the heck would I > put it!) I've got a camcorder and my girlfriend's mac supposedly can do > video capture as is, but I've got to find software and figure it out.

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Misc.

by JONATHAN＠holly.ninja.ml.org

On 6 Jun 97 at 22:26, Marvin wrote: > Ah so, that one went right over my head, sorry about that one :). As > far as systems I don't have, there are a LOT I am still looking for. To > name just a few, the Aim 64, Kim, SWTP 6800 computer, Acorns (I am not > familar with them,) and quite a few others with the main interest in the > 70's computers. I am really impressed with "The Big List of Classic > Computers" and it has made me much more aware of how small the > collection really is compared to what was produced. I have an Acorn Electron going spare, if anybody wants it. It's a "Plus 3", I've been told - it's the standard Electron, but with an extra expansion module added on, containing a 3.5" floppy disk drive, some ports, and who knows what else...! It's in Manchester, UK. ___ _ _ ___ _ _| (_)(\)(-) | (-)(-)(\)

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Chisolm

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

Hi there, Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> wrote : > Another is a a neat portable (probably > non-working) with nothing but the word "Chisholm" on it. It looks like > a prototype judging by the number of mods to the circuit board. Any > info would be much appreciated. You are right in thinking it's a protoype. I used to work for Gavilan Computers back in the '80s and recall us using Chisholm as our design house. If you can describe the unit, or better yet post a picture, I can perhaps identify it as a Gavilan. Regards, Hans B Pufal

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TRS-80 - buy,sell, and trade

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I have an extra Trs-80 model 4 (64k) with 2 -floppies, Works FIne, make me a trade offer! ---------- > From: Cord Coslor <coslor(a)pscosf.peru.edu> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: TRS-80 - buy,sell, and trade > Date: Friday, June 06, 1997 12:02 PM > > Howdy folks: > > I am wondering if anyone out there on this listserve has any Radio Shack > TRS-80 they'd like to give up... either for sale or trade. I collect a lot > of different things and have Apple, Commodore, Texas Instruments, Colour > Genie, MSX, Vectrex, etc., etc... but, my true life-long love has been the > TRS-80 Model 1,3,4 line... and now the CoCo line of computers. > > I am especially looking for any old TRS-80 related magazines: especially > 80-Micro, 80-US Journal, and TRS-80 Microcomputer News. > > I have been archiving software for all these machines, and especially the > TRS-80s for about 10 years now. I do have a huge 65 page catalog of > everything in my collection. If you'd like to see it just let me know and > I'll ship it out. I do not have it in electronic form... only available > through USPS. > > It contains all my classic computer hardware, as well as all my software > in original disk, tape, cartridge, etc., forat, as well as already > converted to run on modern PC emulators. > > If you would like to get the catalog even quicker, send me $3 to the > address below. It actually costs me $3.24 to mail, and more to publish, > but it sure would help me out. > > As far as the software that I have, I like to believe that I have > virtually most things ever written for the TRS-80s, but I know there is a > lot more out there. If you have some software of old disk, cassettes, etc. > please let me know. As always, I am enternaining expanding my hardware > collection as well at all times. I currently have 7 TRS-80 Model 3, 2 > Model 1, 4 Model 4s, 3 Model 4ps, and several Commodore 64s, Texas > Instruments, 1 Coco 1, 4 CoCo 2, and 1 CoCo 3. > > I just love collecting these things and would love to hear from others as > to what you might have available to expand my collection... or just to > hear what interesting things you have. > > Thanks a lot, and hope to hear from you soon! > > CORD COSLOR > > //*=====================================================================++ > || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE || > || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 || > || Classic computer software and hardware collector || > || Autograph collector || > ++=====================================================================*// >

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TI Prolite portable computer

by radaranalysis＠faatcrl.tc.faa.gov

Help! My neighbor got a free computer, the Prolite from TI. Appears to be an early portable/luggable because it has a huge (at least 16" x 7" and 10lbs) battery pack, a 3.5 inch drive, a LCD display. What the heck is it? Does it run DOS and/or is it from the 80xx family? Thanks in advance

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The List!

by bill＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

Hi all. After getting your numerous recommendations on the last version ;) I updated the List of Classic Computers. It now includes 83 more machines and notes as to CPU, base RAM, Primary OS, and Class. I carry it with me when I go hunting - hopefully it will be useful to you too. As always - I'd love to hear from you with additions or corrections. This list is currently quite weak when it comes to pre-'78 machines, minis and bigger computers. I'm sure that just the DEC section should be three times as long. My resources only go so far ;). --- The Big List of Classic Computers Last Rev: 4/30/97 This list is compiled from various sources: fliers, magazines, ads, manuals, and price books. The information is as acurate as the original sources. I have removed PCs and clones from this list - they were taking up too much space. I may put together a separate PC list in the future. This list does not include game consoles, calculators, or word processors. If you have anything to add or revise, contact Bill Whitson (e-mail bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu). MODEL is the manufacturers model number. CPU indicates the type of CPU. RAM is the amount of RAM installed in a base unit. OS is the primary operating system or OS delivered with the unit. ADOS 3.X = Apple II DOS v3.x AMIGAOS = Amiga Operating System AMOS = Alpha-Microsystems Operating System ATRDOS = Atari Built-In OS CBMOS = Commodore Built-In OS CP/M = CP/M-80, CP/M-86, CP/M-68K, MP/M, etc... CROMIX = Cromemco CROMIX FLEX = FLEX GS/OS = Apple IIgs Operating System LOS = LISA Office System MACOS = MacOS OS/9 = OS/9 PRODOS16 = Apple 16bit ProDOS PRODOS8 = Apple 8bit ProDOS SOS = Apple III DOS TDOS = TurboDOS TOS = Atari ST Operating System UNIX = Any true UNIX variant TYPE is the class of computer MAIN = Computers physically larger than 2m x 2m x 2m MINI = Computers physically larger than 1m x 1m x 1m or which are composed of separate subsystems. MICRO = Single unit machines smaller than 1m x 1m x 1m PORT. = Portable (Lugabble, Laptop, Notebook, Handheld) units. YEAR is when the computer was first produced. ================================================================== MANUFACTURER MODEL CPU RAM OS TYPE YR ================================================================== Acorn------------------------------------------------------------- Atom 6502 4K ?? MICRO 80 Bus. Comp. Model 100 6502 w/Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 Bus. Comp. Model 110 6502 w/Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 Bus. Comp. Model 200 6502 w/32016 512K ?? MICRO 84 Bus. Comp. Model 210 6502 w/32016 4MB ?? MICRO 84 Bus. Comp. Model 300 6502 w/80286 1MB ?? MICRO 84 Bus. Comp. Model 310 6502 w/80286 1MB ?? MICRO 84 Bus. Comp. Model PA 6502 64K ?? MICRO 84 Bus. Comp. Terminal 6502 64K ?? MICRO 84 Electron 6502 32K ?? MICRO 83 Master 65C02 128K ?? MICRO 86 Model A 6502 16K ?? MICRO 81 Model B 6502 32K ?? MICRO 82 Model B+ 6502 64K ?? MICRO 84 Proton 6502 16K ?? MICRO 81 System 1 6502 1K ?? MICRO 79 System 2 6502 32k ?? MICRO 80 Automated Computer Systems---------------------------------------- 4040 MC 4040 64K CP/M MICRO 78 8080 MC 8080 64K CP/M MICRO 79 8080 MCS 8080 64K CP/M MICRO 79 8080 MPU 8080 64K CP/M MICRO 79 8080/Z80 8008 w/Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 Z80 MCS Z80 128K TDOS MICRO 81 Z80 MCS Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Action Computer Enterprise, Inc.---------------------------------- Discovery 500 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Discovery 1600 Z80 w/8086 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Actrix Computers-------------------------------------------------- DSDD Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 SSDD Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Adra Systems------------------------------------------------------ Model 1000 68020 2.5MB ?? MICRO 86 Model 3000 68020 4MB ?? MICRO 86 Advanced Digital Corporation-------------------------------------- Super System II ?? ?? TDOS MICRO 84 SuperStar ?? ?? TDOS MICRO 84 Alcyon------------------------------------------------------------ APS 68000 256K UNIX MINI 84 APS/RMS 68000 256K UNIX MINI 84 APX 68000 256K UNIX MINI 84 Alpha Info Systems------------------------------------------------ Model 100 8085 1MB ?? ?? 77 Model 100T 8085 1MB ?? ?? 79 Alpha MicroSystems------------------------------------------------ AM-680C 68000 128K AMOS MICRO 84 AM-680M 68000 128K AMOS MICRO 84 AM-1000 68000 128K AMOS MICRO 82 AM-1000E 68000 256K AMOS MICRO 83 AM-1000X 68000 128K AMOS MICRO 84 ALSPA Computer---------------------------------------------------- ACI-1 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 ACI-2 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Zero Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Altos Computer Systems-------------------------------------------- 3068 68020 4MB ?? MICRO 88 3068 EP 68020 4MB ?? MICRO 88 580-2 Z80 192K CP/M MICRO 83 580-20 Z80 192K CP/M MICRO 83 680-40 68000 ?? ?? MICRO 85 8000-10 Z80 208K ?? MICRO 78 8000-12 Z80 208K ?? MICRO 78 8000-14 Z80 208K ?? MICRO 78 Advanced Micro Devices-------------------------------------------- Model 96/4116 Z80 32K CP/M MICRO 80 Ampere, Inc.------------------------------------------------------ WS1A 68000 64K ?? MICRO 85 WS1B 68000 256K ?? MICRO 85 Amstrad----------------------------------------------------------- CPC464 Z80A 64K AMSDOS MICRO 84 CPC664 Z80A 64K AMSDOS MICRO 85 CPC6128 Z80A 128K AMSDOS MICRO 85 PCW8256 Z80 256K ?? MICRO 85 PCW8512 Z80 512K ?? MICRO 86 PCW9512 Z80 512K ?? MICRO 87 APF Electronics--------------------------------------------------- IM1 6800 8K ?? MICRO 80 Apollo Computer--------------------------------------------------- 400/420 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 Domain ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Apple Computer, Inc.---------------------------------------------- Apple II 6502 16K ADOS 3.X MICRO 77 Apple II+ 6502 48K ADOS 3.X MICRO 81 Apple IIc 65C02 128K PRODOS8 PORT. 85 Apple IIc+ 65C02 128K PRODOS8 PORT. 86 Apple IIe 6502 128K PRODOS8 MICRO 82 Apple IIgs (ROM 01) 65C816 256K PRODOS16 MICRO 86 Apple IIgs (ROM 02) 65C816 256K PRODOS16 MICRO 87 Apple IIgs (ROM 03) 65C816 1.25MB GS/OS MICRO 88 Apple III 6502 128K SOS MICRO 83 Apple III+ 6502 256K SOS MICRO 84 Lisa 1 68000 1MB LOS MICRO 83 Lisa 2 68000 512K LOS MICRO 84 Macintosh 128 68000 128K MACOS MICRO 84 Macintosh 512 68000 512K MACOS MICRO 84 Macintosh Plus 68010 1MB MACOS MICRO 86 Macintosh Plus Enh. 68010 512K MACOS MICRO 86 Macintosh XL 68000 512K MACOS MICRO 84 Applied Digital Data Systems-------------------------------------- Multivision 1 8085 64k CP/M MICRO 80 Multivision 2 8085 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Multivision 3 8085 192K CP/M MICRO 81 Applied Electronics----------------------------------------------- Model 10 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Model 15 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Applied Systems Corporation--------------------------------------- ASC 68000 68000 64K ?? MICRO 83 ASC Portable 8088 w/8085 32K ?? PORT. 83 AT&T-------------------------------------------------------------- 3704-040 ?? 1MB UNIX MICRO 86 3704-045 ?? 2MB UNIX MICRO 86 3704-065 ?? 2MB UNIX MICRO 86 3B2/300 WE32000 1MB UNIX MINI 86 3B2/400 WE32100 2MB UNIX MINI 86 7300A1 ?? 512K UNIX MICRO 86 7300A2 ?? 1MB UNIX MICRO 86 7300B1 ?? 512K UNIX MICRO 86 7300D1 ?? 512K UNIX MICRO 86 7300E2 ?? 1MB UNIX MICRO 86 Atari------------------------------------------------------------- 1040ST 68010 512K TOS MICRO 85 1200XL 6502C 64K ATRDOS MICRO 82 130XE 6502C 128K ATRDOS MICRO 85 400 6502 16K ATRDOS MICRO 79 520ST 68000 512K TOS MICRO 85 600XL 6502C 16K ATRDOS MICRO 83 65XE 6502C 64K ATRDOS MICRO 85 800 6502 48K ATRDOS MICRO 79 800XL 6502C 64K ATRDOS MICRO 83 Mega 2 68000 2MB ?? MICRO 87 Mega 4 68000 4MB ?? MICRO 87 XE Game System 6502C 64K ATRDOS MICRO 87 Auragen Systems Corporation--------------------------------------- System 4000 68010 ?? ?? ?? 84 Barreto Associates------------------------------------------------ MicroMaster Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Barrington International------------------------------------------ Elite Z80 256K CP/M MICRO 82 Barrister Info Systems-------------------------------------------- Law Office Manager Z80 ?? ?? ?? 75 Basis------------------------------------------------------------- Model 108 Z80 w/6502 64K CP/M MICRO 80 BBN Computer Corp.------------------------------------------------ C60 Z80 256K UNIX MINI 80 C70 Z80 256K UNIX MINI 81 Beehive Corp.----------------------------------------------------- The Topper Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Bell Computer Systems--------------------------------------------- Model 4 6502 64K ADOS 3.X MICRO 84 Bell and Howell--------------------------------------------------- Model 78400 6502 16K ?? MICRO 83 Model 78401 6502 16K ?? MICRO 83 Model 78402 6502 16K ?? MICRO 83 Model 3016D 6502 16K ?? MICRO 83 Model 3032D 6502 32K ?? MICRO 83 Model 3048D 6502 48K ?? MICRO 83 Berkel Systems---------------------------------------------------- Model 4410 6502 16K ?? MICRO 74 Billings Computer Corp.------------------------------------------- System 500 II Z80 56K TDOS MICRO 82 System 6000B Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 82 System 6000 II Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 82 System 6000 X Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 82 System 6000 XII Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 82 BC-12FD Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 79 BlackHawk Computers----------------------------------------------- BlackHawk 3 8085 64K ?? MICRO 79 BlackHawk 4 8085 64K ?? MICRO 79 BMC, Inc.--------------------------------------------------------- BMC-800 Model 20C Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 BMC-800 Model 20G Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Bondwell Computers------------------------------------------------ BW2 Z80C 64K CP/M MICRO 85 BW12 Z80A 64K CP/M MICRO 85 BW14 Z80A 128K CP/M MICRO 85 BW16 Z80A 128K CP/M MICRO 85 BOS Systems------------------------------------------------------- BOS-M Z80 w/80186 64K TDOS MICRO 81 Cyte 86 Z80 w/80186 64K TDOS MICRO 82 BTI Computer Systems---------------------------------------------- BTI 4800 Z80 w/8088 64K ?? ?? 84 BTI 5000 Mark II Z80 w/80186 64K ?? ?? 83 BTI 5000/ES Z80 w/80186 64K ?? ?? 83 BTI 6000 Z80 W/8088 128K ?? ?? 84 BTI 8000 BTI8000 24MB ?? ?? 85 Burroughs Corp.--------------------------------------------------- B1800 Z80 w/80186 64K ?? MICRO 83 B1910 Z80 w/80186 128K ?? MICRO 83 B1913 Z80 w/80186 128K ?? MICRO 83 OW400 8085 64K ?? MICRO 82 CADO Systems------------------------------------------------------ CAT III 8085 64K ?? MICRO 82 System 20/20 8085 48K ?? MICRO 78 System 20/28 8085 96K ?? MICRO 83 CCG--------------------------------------------------------------- Micro 11 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 83 Ultra 11/730 ?? ?? UNIX MINI 83 Ultra 11/750 ?? ?? UNIX MINI 83 Ultra PDP 11/44 ?? ?? UNIX MINI 83 Ultra PDP 11/73 ?? ?? UNIX MINI 83 Ultra PDP 11/23 ?? ?? UNIX MINI 83 California Computer Systems--------------------------------------- Model 1000 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Model 3000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 System 200 Z80 32K CP/M MICRO 81 System 300 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 System 400 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 System 410 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 System 420 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Callan Data Systems----------------------------------------------- CD 100 ?? ?? UNIX MINI 81 CD 100M 68000 256K UNIX ?? 82 UniStar 100 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 UniStar 200 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 UniStar 300 NS16032 512K UNIX ?? 84 Canaan Computer Corp.--------------------------------------------- 5410Z ?? ?? ?? ?? 85 5412-P1 68000 1MB ?? ?? 84 5412-P2 68000 1MB ?? ?? 84 Canon, Inc.------------------------------------------------------- TX-10/15 6809 16K ?? MICRO 80 Casio, Inc.------------------------------------------------------- FX-9000 6809 4K ?? MICRO 83 Computer Consoles, Inc.------------------------------------------- Power 5/20 68000 1MB ?? ?? 84 Control Data Corp.------------------------------------------------ Cyber 18 6809 16K ?? MICRO 76 Model 110 6809 64K ?? MICRO 83 Computer Enhancement Corp.---------------------------------------- CE Micro 1 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 Centurion Computer Corp.------------------------------------------ Model 100 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Model 200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Model 5200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 Model 5300 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 Model 6100 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Model 6200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Model 6300 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Model 6400 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Model 6500 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Model 7100 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 Model 9200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 Micro Plus ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 Century Computer Corp.-------------------------------------------- System 300 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 System 400 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 System 700 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 System 900 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 Vanguard 8000 Z80 w/8085 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Vanguard 8200 Z80 w/8085 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Vanguard 8500 Z80 w/8085 128K CP/M MICRO 82 X1000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 X2000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 Challenge Systems, Inc.------------------------------------------- CS1000 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Charles River Data Systems---------------------------------------- Universe 32/115T 68020 1MB ?? ?? 85 Universe 32/137T 68020 1MB ?? ?? 85 Universe 32/35 68020 1MB ?? ?? 85 Universe 65/115T 68000 ?? ?? ?? 85 Universe 68/05 68000 256K ?? ?? 82 Universe 68/137T 68000 512K ?? ?? 84 Universe 68/67 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 Universe 68/35 68000 512K ?? ?? 84 Universe 2402 68000 ?? ?? ?? 85 Universe 2403 68000 512K ?? ?? 84 Charter Information Corp.----------------------------------------- System 4 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 83 CIE Systems, Inc.------------------------------------------------- 680/20 68000 256K ?? ?? 83 680/30-10 68000 256K ?? ?? 83 680/35 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 680/40 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 680/50 68020 1MB ?? ?? 87 680/100 68000 512K ?? ?? 84 680/150 68020 8MB ?? ?? 87 680/200 68000 512K ?? ?? 84 CMC Systems------------------------------------------------------- SuperSystem 1 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 SuperSystem 2 Z80 w/80186 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Codex Corporation------------------------------------------------- Model 268/21 68000 ?? ?? MICRO 83 Model 268/24 6809 192K ?? MICRO 82 Model 268/44 6809 192K ?? MICRO 82 Colby Computer---------------------------------------------------- MacColby 128 68000 128K MACOS MICRO 84 MacColby 512 68000 512K MACOS MICRO 84 Coleco Industries, Inc.------------------------------------------- ADAM Z80 80K ?? MICRO 83 Colonial Data Services-------------------------------------------- SB80 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Columbia Data Products-------------------------------------------- Commander 500 Z80 32K CP/M MICRO 79 Commander 964 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 Commander F64 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 Commander FX Z80 96K CP/M MICRO 79 Commander M64 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 Comark Corp.------------------------------------------------------ Disktor M1 Z80 w/6502 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Disktor M3 8085 64K ?? MICRO 83 Disktor Q ?? ?? ?? MICRO 83 MB 85/285 ?? ?? CP/M MICRO 79 Commodore--------------------------------------------------------- 128C 8502 w/Z80 128K CBMOS MICRO 85 128D 8502 w/Z80 128K CBMOS MICRO 87 16 6510 16K ?? MICRO 84 64 6510 64K CBMOS MICRO 82 655 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Amiga 1000 68000 256K AMIGAOS MICRO 86 Amiga 500 68000 512K AMIGAOS MICRO 86 CBM 3008 6502 8K ?? MICRO ?? CBM 3016 6502 16K ?? MICRO ?? CBM 3032 6502 32K ?? MICRO ?? CBM 4004 6502 4K ?? MICRO 79 CBM 4008 6502 8K ?? MICRO 79 CBM 4016 6502 16K ?? MICRO 79 CBM 4032 6502 32K ?? MICRO 79 CBM 8008 6502 8K ?? MICRO ?? CBM 8016 6502 16K ?? MICRO ?? CBM 8032 6502 32K ?? MICRO ?? CBM 8032 6502 32K ?? MICRO 79 CBM 8096 6502 ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM 8296 6502 ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B128-40 ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B128-80HP ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B128-80LP ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B256-40 ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B256-80HP ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B256-80LP ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B500 ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM SP9000 ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? Executive 64 6510 64K CBMOS PORT. 83 PET 2001 6502 ?? ?? MICRO 79 PET 2001B 6502 ?? ?? MICRO 79 PET 2001N 6502 ?? ?? MICRO 79 Plus 4 6510 64K ?? MICRO 84 SuperPET 6502 w/6809 96K ?? MICRO 81 VIC-20 6502 5K ?? MICRO 81 Compal Computer Systems------------------------------------------- 8200+ Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 Electric Briefcase Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 EZ Type Z80 w/8088 64K CP/M MICRO 83 CompTech---------------------------------------------------------- EVE II 6502 w/Z80 64K ?? MICRO 85 CompuCorp--------------------------------------------------------- Model 745 Z80 192K CP/M MICRO 83 Model 799 Z80 192K CP/M MICRO 83 Compupro Systems-------------------------------------------------- MP-10 Z80 w/8088 1MB CP/M MICRO 83 System 816/10 Z80 w/8088 1MB CP/M MICRO 84 System 816/A 8085 w/8088 128K CP/M MICRO 82 System 816/B 8085 w/8088 256K CP/M MICRO 82 System 816/C 8085 w/8088 512K CP/M MICRO 82 System 816/E 68000 256K CP/M MICRO 84 System 816/G ?? 1MB CP/M MICRO 84 System 816/GG Z80 w/68000 512K CP/M MICRO 84 System 816/Z Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 84 The Computerist--------------------------------------------------- Focus 6809 30K FLEX MICRO 82 Covergent Technologies-------------------------------------------- MiniFrame 68010 512K ?? MICRO 86 MiniFrame Plus 68010 512K ?? MICRO 86 MightyFrame 68020 1MB ?? MICRO 86 Cortex Systems---------------------------------------------------- Microdent 1 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 Microdent 2 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 Cromemco, Inc.---------------------------------------------------- C10 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 CS-1 Z80 w/68000 256K CROMIX MICRO 82 CS100 Z80 w/68010 2MB ?? MICRO 85 CS110 Z80 w/68010 2MB ?? MICRO 86 CS115 68020 2MB UNIX MICRO 87 CS120 68020 4MB ?? MICRO 86 CS200 68010 1MB ?? MINI 86 CS220 68020 2MB ?? MINI 86 CS300 Z80 w/68010 2MB ?? MINI 86 CS400 Z80 w/68010 2MB ?? MINI 86 CS420 68020 4MB ?? MINI 86 D System 1 Z80 w/68000 512K ?? MICRO 82 D System 100 68000 2MB UNIX ?? 84 D System 3 Z80 w/68000 512K ?? MICRO 83 D System 300 68000 2MB UNIX ?? 84 Z System 0 Z80 1MB ?? MICRO 82 Z System 1 Z80 256K ?? MICRO 82 Z System 2 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 Z System 3 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 CYB Systems------------------------------------------------------- MultiBox I 68000 256K UNIX ?? 82 MultiBox II 68000 768K UNIX ?? 82 Cyberchron-------------------------------------------------------- C21 68000 4MB ?? ?? 83 C41 68000 4MB ?? ?? 83 C45 68000 4MB ?? ?? 83 CDS-201 68000 64K ?? ?? 79 CDS-231 68000 64K ?? ?? 83 Data General Corp------------------------------------------------- CB/50 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 CEO ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 CS/10 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 CS/100 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 CS/20 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 CS/200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 CS/30 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 CS/40 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 CS/5 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 CS/50 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 CS/60 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 CS/70 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 Eclipse C/150 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Eclipse C/350 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 Eclipse MV/4000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 Eclipse S/120 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Eclipse S/130 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Eclipse S/140 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 Eclipse S/250 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Eclipse S/280 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Enterprise 1000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Enterprise 3000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 MPT/100 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 MPT/80 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Nova 3 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Nova 4 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Datamac Computer Systems------------------------------------------ Series 1200 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Datapoint Corp.--------------------------------------------------- Model 1560 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Model 8600 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 Model 8800 ?? ?? CP/M MICRO 81 Series 1800 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 Series 4000 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 Series 6600 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 78 Datavue Corp.----------------------------------------------------- 80/100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 80/200 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 80/300 Z80 w/80186 64K CP/M MICRO 81 80/400 Z80 w/80186 64K CP/M MICRO 83 3000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 DEC--------------------------------------------------------------- Correspondent ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Datasystem 150 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Datasystem 208 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 Datasystem 300 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Datasystem 315 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Datasystem 320 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Datasystem 336 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Datasystem 356 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Datasystem 500 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Datasystem 512 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 DECMate II ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 Micro/PDP-11 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 MicroVAX I ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 PDP-11/23 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 PDP-11/24 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 PDP-11/34 ?? ?? ?? ?? 76 PDP-11/44 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 PDP-11/70 ?? ?? ?? ?? 75 Professional 300 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 Professional 325 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Professional 350 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Professional 380 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 Rainbow 100 Z80 w/8088 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Rainbow 100+ Z80 w/8088 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Robin ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 VAX-11/730 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 VAX-11/750 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 Deltadata Systems Corp.------------------------------------------- D8000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Micro Manager Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Delta Products Inc.----------------------------------------------- Delta One Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Delta Two Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Delta Four Z80 256K CP/M MICRO 83 DP/Net ?? ?? ?? MICRO 83 DP/125 ?? ?? CP/M MICRO 83 Digicomp Research------------------------------------------------- System 100 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 Digidyne---------------------------------------------------------- 5832 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 77 5864 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 80 Series 200 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 82 Digital Microsystems---------------------------------------------- DMS-3 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 DMS-4 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 80 DMS-15 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 DMS-86 Z80 w/8086 256K CP/M MICRO 82 DMS-1280 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 DMS-5080 Z80 w/8086 256K CP/M MICRO 82 DMS-5086 Z80 w/8086 256K CP/M MICRO 82 Digital Technology------------------------------------------------ Model 580 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 Digitex----------------------------------------------------------- Model 7100 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Model 7200 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Model 7300 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Model 7500 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Model 8100 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Model 8200 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Model 8300 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Model 8500 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Dimension Computer Corp.------------------------------------------ 1000 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 82 1020 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 82 2010 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 82 3010 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 83 3020 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 83 Direct, Inc.------------------------------------------------------ Model 1000 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 Model 1025 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Model 1031 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Display Data Corp.------------------------------------------------ Insight Z80 64K ?? ?? 74 DMC Systems------------------------------------------------------- Commfile Z80 16K CP/M MICRO 78 Docutel----------------------------------------------------------- BCS 2025 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 BCS 2030 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 DC-M18 68000 100K MS-DOS MICRO 84 M10 8085 8K ?? PORT. 84 M20 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 83 P6060 Z80 48K ?? MICRO 77 S6000 Z8000 64K ?? MICRO 81 DTC--------------------------------------------------------------- 710 8085 64K ?? MICRO 83 A22 8085 256K UNIX MICRO 83 B23 8085 256K UNIX MICRO 82 Micro 210A 8085 64K ?? MICRO 81 Micro 210B 8085 64K ?? MICRO 81 Data Technology Industries---------------------------------------- Associate Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 79 Dual Systems Control Corp.---------------------------------------- 83/20 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 83/80 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 83/500 68000 2MB UNIX ?? 84 Durango Systems Inc.---------------------------------------------- 800 8085 64K CP/M MICRO 79 800XR 8085 64K CP/M MICRO 83 900 8085 64K CP/M MICRO 83 910 8085 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Dynabyte Business Computers--------------------------------------- 6600 Z80 w/8086 256K CP/M MICRO 82 6900 Z80 w/8086 256K CP/M MICRO 82 Monarch 6000 Z80 w/8086 256K CP/M MICRO 82 Eagle Computer Inc.----------------------------------------------- Eagle IIE Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Eagle III Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Eagle IV Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 ECS Microsystems-------------------------------------------------- ECS 4500 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 ECS 4650 Z80 80K CP/M MICRO 82 EEC Systems, Inc.------------------------------------------------- Micropower/23 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Micropower/W ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Elan Computers---------------------------------------------------- Enterprise 64 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 Enterprise 128 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 84 Epic Computers---------------------------------------------------- Episode 2296 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Epson, Inc.------------------------------------------------------- Geneva PX-8 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 HX-20 Z80 16K ?? PORT. 83 QX-10 Z80 256K ?? MICRO 83 QX-16 Z80 512K ?? MICRO 84 Esprit Computer Products------------------------------------------ Model S1000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Model S1016 Z80 w/80186 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Model S1500 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Model S1516 Z80 w/80186 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Model S1800 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Model 900 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 81 ETR, Inc.--------------------------------------------------------- Star System Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Eve Computers----------------------------------------------------- Eve II PC 6502 w/Z80 64K ADOS 3.X MICRO 84 Eve Portable 6502 w/Z80 64K ADOS 3.X PORT. 84 Evolution Computer Systems---------------------------------------- Model 140 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Model 160 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Model 240 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Model 260 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Model 280 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Exo Systems------------------------------------------------------- System 5 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 System 8 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 System 58 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Exxon Office Systems---------------------------------------------- 510 Info. Processor Z80 64K ?? MICRO 81 520 Info. Processor Z80 64K ?? MICRO 81 530 Info. Processor Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 8400 Series Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 Facit, Inc.------------------------------------------------------- Model 6500 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 FI Electronics---------------------------------------------------- Series 7240 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 81 Financial Business Computers-------------------------------------- FBC Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 Findex------------------------------------------------------------ Model 0X1 Z80 48K CP/M MICRO 83 Model 0X2 Z80 48K CP/M MICRO 83 Model 9X1 Z80 48K CP/M MICRO 83 Formation, Inc.--------------------------------------------------- F/4000-101 AMD2900 1MB ?? ?? 81 F/4000-201 AMD2900 1MB ?? ?? 81 F/4000-301 AMD2900 1MB ?? ?? 81 Fortune Systems Corp.--------------------------------------------- 32:16 PS-10 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 32:16 PS-20 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 32:16 68000 128K UNIX ?? 81 32:16 XP-20 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 32:16 XP-30 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 Fortune Formula 68020 ?? UNIX ?? 86 SX45 68000 1MB ?? ?? 85 SX45T 68000 1MB ?? ?? 85 SX70 68000 1MB ?? ?? 85 XP45 68000 512K ?? ?? 85 Forward Technology------------------------------------------------ Grpahics Workstation 68000 256K UNIX ?? 82 Four-Phase Systems------------------------------------------------ IV/40 ?? ?? ?? ?? 73 IV/50 ?? ?? ?? ?? 76 IV/70 ?? ?? ?? ?? 70 IV/60 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 IV/65 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 IV/80 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 IV/90 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 IV/95 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 Franklin Computer Corp.------------------------------------------- Ace 10 6502 ?? ADOS 3.X MICRO 82 Ace 1100 6502 ?? ADOS 3.X MICRO 82 Ace 1000 6502 64K ADOS 3.X MICRO 82 Ace 1200 6502 w/Z80 128K ADOS 3.X MICRO 83 Ace 500 6502 64K ADOS 3.X MICRO 83 Fujitsu, Inc.----------------------------------------------------- Micro 16S Z80 w/8086 128K ?? MICRO 83 Garrett Computing Systems----------------------------------------- GSC/440 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 GEAC Computers---------------------------------------------------- System 2000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 General Automation------------------------------------------------ Model 930 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 83 Model 940 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 83 Model 950 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 83 Zebra 700 68000 256K XENIX MICRO 84 Zebra 750 68000 128K XENIX MICRO 84 Zebra 1000 68000 256K XENIX MICRO 82 Zebra 1500 68000 256K XENIX MICRO 82 Zebra 2000 68000 1MB XENIX MICRO 82 Zebra 2500 68000 256K XENIX MICRO 82 Zebra 3000 68000 1MB XENIX MICRO 82 Zebra 3500 68000 256K XENIX MICRO 82 Zebra 5500 68000 1MB XENIX MICRO 82 General Robotics-------------------------------------------------- BA500 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 BA800L ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 Gemini 68000 64K ?? ?? 83 Scorpio 68000 64K ?? ?? 81 Super Gemini 68000 64K ?? ?? 81 Super Pegasus 68000 64K ?? ?? 77 Super Tristar 68000 64K ?? ?? 83 Hagen Systems----------------------------------------------------- Mark Ten ?? ?? ?? ?? 73 Harris Corp.------------------------------------------------------ H60 68000 768K ?? ?? 84 H600 68000 1.5MB ?? ?? 83 H700 68000 384K ?? ?? 82 Model 1640 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Model 1650 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Heurikon Corp.---------------------------------------------------- HK68 68000 128K UNIX ?? 84 Minibox 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 MLZ Z80 16K ?? ?? 83 Modular Box 68000 512K UNIX ?? 84 Hon Computing Systems--------------------------------------------- Hon IV ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 Hon V ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 Honeywell Bull, Inc.---------------------------------------------- DPS 6/40 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 DPS 6/45 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Level 6-23 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 Level 6-33 ?? ?? ?? ?? 76 Level 6-37 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Level 6-43 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 Level 6-47 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 Level 6-53 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 Level 6-57 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 System XPS-100-10 68010 512K ?? ?? 86 System XPS-100-20 68020 2MB ?? ?? 86 System XPS-100-40 68020 4MB ?? ?? 86 HP---------------------------------------------------------------- HP 1000 Series ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 HP 300 Series ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 HP 3000 Series ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 HP 85A ?? 16K ?? MICRO 82 HP 85B ?? ?? ?? MICRO 86 HP 86B Z80 128K ?? MICRO 83 HP 87XM ?? 128K ?? MICRO 82 HP 9825B ?? ?? ?? ?? 76 HP 9845B ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 HP 9915 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 Series 100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Series 200 68000 512K CP/M MICRO 82 Integrated Business Computers------------------------------------- C-1064R Z80B 64K ?? ?? 84 Cadet Z80B 256K ?? MICRO 84 Ensign 68010 1MB ?? ?? 84 Ensign 386:100 68020 ?? ?? ?? 87 Ensign 682:100 68020 ?? ?? ?? 87 Ensign Oasis 68000 1MB ?? ?? 84 Middi-Cadet Z80 256K ?? MICRO 79 Middi-Cadet High Perf. Z80H 512K ?? MICRO 84 Multi-Star I Z80B 256K ?? MICRO 84 Multi-Star II Z80B 256K ?? MICRO 84 Super Cadet Z80H 320K ?? MICRO 84 System 68 68000 512K ?? MICRO 84 IBM--------------------------------------------------------------- 6/430 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 5110 ?? ?? ?? ?? 76 5120 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 8130 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 8140 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 System 34 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 System 36 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 System 38 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 ICL, Inc.--------------------------------------------------------- DRS20 8085 w/8088 150K ?? MICRO 82 Immediate Business Systems---------------------------------------- FS 2000 8085 w/8088 32K ?? ?? 83 IMPC-------------------------------------------------------------- Access Matrix Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Impelco----------------------------------------------------------- IMP 800C Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 IMP 816C Z80 w/8086 256K ?? MICRO 84 IMS International------------------------------------------------- 5000IS Z80 w/80186 128K TDOS MICRO 82 5000SX Z80 w/80186 128K TDOS MICRO 81 8000S Z80 w/8088 128K TDOS MICRO 81 8000SX Z80 w/80186 128K TDOS MICRO 81 Information Devices----------------------------------------------- Micro Plus Z80 w/8086 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Infotecs, Inc.---------------------------------------------------- Control Center 2 Z80 w/8086 64K CP/M MICRO 79 Innotronics------------------------------------------------------- Model 6100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 Intecolor Corporation--------------------------------------------- 3651 8080 32K ?? MICRO 80 8052 8080 8K ?? MICRO 77 8352 8080 8K ?? MICRO 77 Intelligent Systems----------------------------------------------- Intecolor 8050 8080 8K ?? MICRO 77 Intecolor 8064 8080 8K ?? MICRO 79 Intelligent Graphics 8080 64K ?? MICRO 82 Interphase Corp.-------------------------------------------------- Baseboard SBC 68000 512K ?? MICRO 84 Intersil Systems, Inc.-------------------------------------------- 1SB-80/85 Z80 w/8085 64K ?? MICRO 83 1SB-809/85 Z80 w/8085 64K ?? MICRO 83 Intertec Data Systems--------------------------------------------- Compustar VPU 10 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 Compustar VPU 20 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 Compustar VPU 30 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 Compustar VPU 40 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 Headstart VPU 128 Z80 w/8086 128K CP/M MICRO 84 Headstart VPU 512 Z80 w/8086 512K CP/M MICRO 84 Headstart VPU 1000 Z80 w/8086 1MB CP/M MICRO 84 Super Brain II Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Ithaca Intersystems----------------------------------------------- Encore 580 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Encore 880 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Encore 58000 68000 256K XENIX MICRO 83 Ithaca 525 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Jacquard, Inc.---------------------------------------------------- J100 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 75 J200 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 82 J300 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 82 J425 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 77 J500 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 78 J6000 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 87 Jade Computer Products-------------------------------------------- System III Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 Jonos International----------------------------------------------- C2000 Z80A 64K ?? MICRO 85 C2100 Z80A w/8085 64K ?? MICRO 85 C2150 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 84 C2500 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 84 C2550 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 84 C2600 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 84 Escort C2100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Escort C2500 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Kaypro Corp.------------------------------------------------------ Kaypro 2x300 Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 84 Kaypro 4 Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 83 Kaypro 10 Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 83 Kaypro II Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 82 Kaypro II Plus 88 Z80 w/8088 256K CP/M PORT. 84 Kaypro IV Plus 88 Z80 w/8088 256K CP/M PORT. 84 Robie 300 Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 84 Kontron Electronics----------------------------------------------- PSI 80 Z80 32K CP/M MICRO 81 Kowin Computer Corp.---------------------------------------------- Kowin II 68000 3MB ?? ?? 87 Kowin II Plus 68000 3MB ?? ?? 87 Kowin III 68020 3MB ?? ?? 87 Lanier Business Products------------------------------------------ Computereze Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 Shared System II ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 LMC--------------------------------------------------------------- System I NS16032 512K ?? ?? 84 System II NS16032 1MB ?? ?? 84 System III NS16032 1MB ?? ?? 84 LNW Corp.--------------------------------------------------------- LNW 80-I Z80 48K CP/M MICRO 81 LNW 80-II Z80 96K CP/M MICRO 81 Lobo Systems, Inc.------------------------------------------------ Max-80 Z80B 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Logical Business Machines----------------------------------------- Adam ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 David ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 Goliath ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 Tina ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 MAI--------------------------------------------------------------- Basic Four Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 System 110 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 System 210 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 System 310 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 System 510 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 System 710 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 System S/10 Z80 128K ?? ?? 82 System S/80 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 Martec International---------------------------------------------- IBEX 2000 Z80 32K CP/M MICRO 77 IBEX 7000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 77 Matrox Electronic Systems----------------------------------------- MACS-10 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 Multitech Electronics, Inc.--------------------------------------- MIC-501 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 MIC-504 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Memotech Corp.---------------------------------------------------- MTX 512 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 Microcomputer Technology------------------------------------------ MOD III Z80 16K CP/M MICRO 80 Personal Executive Z80 1MB CP/M MICRO 82 Microcraft Corp.-------------------------------------------------- Dimension 68000 512K ?? ?? 84 Microdata Corp.--------------------------------------------------- 7608 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 7905 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 7907 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 7915 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 7917 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 Reality 600 ?? ?? ?? ?? 73 Reality 2000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 Reality 4000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 73 Reality 7000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Reality 8000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Sovereign 7920 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Sovereign 7930 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 Sovereign 7940 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Micro-Expander, Inc.---------------------------------------------- Expander Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Micromation, Inc.------------------------------------------------- M/System Z80 w/8088 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Mariner 9000 Z80 64K TDOS MICRO 81 Microsystems International---------------------------------------- Multinet Z80 w/8086 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Milwaukee Computers----------------------------------------------- MC-100 Z80 w/6502 64K ?? MICRO 83 Mini-Computer Systems--------------------------------------------- Micos 100 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 Micos 200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 73 Micos 300 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 Mohawk Data Sciences Corp.---------------------------------------- Model 21/10 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Model 21/20 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 Model 21/40 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 Model 21/50 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 Model 21/60 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Model 21/70 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Momentum Computer Systems----------------------------------------- Model 32 68000 512K UNIX MICRO 83 Monroe Systems---------------------------------------------------- EC 8800 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 Microdecision 1 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 OC 8810 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 OC 8820 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 81 OC 8828 Z80 256K CP/M MICRO 81 Morrow Designs, Inc.---------------------------------------------- Decision 1 D120 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Decision 1 D200 Z80 256K CP/M MICRO 82 Decision 1 D210 Z80 256K CP/M MICRO 82 Decision 1 D220 Z80 512K CP/M MICRO 82 Microdecision MD 1 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Microdecision MD 2 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Microdecision MD 3 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Microdecision MD 3P Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Microdecision MD 5 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 84 Microdecision MD 11 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Microdecision MD 16 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Microdecision MD 34 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Tricep 68000 256K UNIX MICRO 84 Mostek Corp.------------------------------------------------------ Matrix-80 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 Motorola---------------------------------------------------------- Exormacs 68000 512K UNIX MICRO 83 Exorset 110 6809 56K ?? MICRO 83 M-6809 6809 64K ?? MICRO 78 VME/10 68000 384K UNIX MICRO 83 MSI Data---------------------------------------------------------- MSI/88S 68000 56K ?? MICRO 82 Musys Corp.------------------------------------------------------- NetWork 8816 Z80 128K TDOS MICRO 83 NetWork 8820 Z80 128K TDOS MICRO 84 Nabu Manufacturing------------------------------------------------ Personal Computer Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 NBI, Inc.--------------------------------------------------------- System 1 68000 ?? UNIX ?? 84 Technical Workstation 68000 1MB UNIX ?? 84 NCR Corp.--------------------------------------------------------- Decision Mate V Z80 w/8088 64K ?? MICRO 83 I-9010 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 I-9020 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 I-9040 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 PC-8 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 PC-8/16 Z80 w/8088 64K ?? MICRO 82 NEC--------------------------------------------------------------- PC6000 Z80 16K ?? MICRO 83 PC6001A Z80 16K ?? MICRO 86 PC8201A Z80 16K ?? MICRO 83 PC8401A Z80 64K ?? MICRO 85 PC8800 Z80 w/80086 64K ?? MICRO 83 PC8801A Z80 w/8086 64K ?? MICRO 86 Astra 200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 Astra 205 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Astra 210 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Astra 230 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Astra 250 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Astra 270 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Astra 330 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 Astra 350 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 Astra 370 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 Nelma Data Corp.-------------------------------------------------- Persona Z80 ?? ?? MICRO 82 Persona II Z80 w/8088 192K ?? MICRO 83 New England Digital----------------------------------------------- A-40 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 77 A-60 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 78 Nixdorf Computer Corp.-------------------------------------------- Model 80 ?? ?? ?? ?? 70 Model 600 ?? ?? ?? ?? 76 Model 8810 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Model 8845 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Model 8870/M15 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 Model 8870/1 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 Model 8870/3 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Model 8890/10 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 Model 8890/30 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 Model 8890/50 ?? ?? ?? ?? 84 NNC Electronics--------------------------------------------------- System 80 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 System 80W Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 NorthStar Computers----------------------------------------------- Advantage 8/16 Z80 w/8088 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Advantage Z80 w/80186 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Horizon 8/16 Z80 w/8088 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Horizon Z80 w/8088 128K CP/M MICRO 77 Northern Telecom Terminal Sys.------------------------------------ 405 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 445 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 503 8085 256K ?? MICRO 81 M4120 68000 1MB ?? MICRO 86 M4121 68000 1MB ?? MICRO 86 M4122 68000 1MB ?? MICRO 86 Ohio Scientific--------------------------------------------------- MasterKey 220 6502 48K OS-65 MICRO 83 MasterKey 230 6502 52K OS-65 MICRO 82 MasterKey 250 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 82 MasterKey 330 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 83 MasterKey 350 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 82 MasterKey 2301 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 83 OSI-710 SuperMicro 68010 ?? ?? MICRO 85 OSI-720 SuperMicro 68010 ?? ?? MICRO 85 WorkSystem 200 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 84 WorkSystem 300 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 84 Olympia USA, Inc.------------------------------------------------- OPC 6502 52K ?? MICRO 82 Omni-Source------------------------------------------------------- OS-26 Z80B 192K ?? MICRO 84 OS-48 Z80B 192K ?? MICRO 84 OS-526 Z80B 320K ?? MICRO 84 OS-548 Z80B 320K ?? MICRO 84 OS-826 Z80B 320K ?? MICRO 84 OS-848 Z80B 320K ?? MICRO 84 Ontel Corp.------------------------------------------------------- 1505 Z80 w/6502 16K ?? MICRO 83 1507 Z80 w/6502 64K ?? MICRO 83 Amigo Z80 w/6502 64K ?? MICRO 82 Onyx Systems Inc.------------------------------------------------- 6810 68000 1MB ?? MICRO 84 C8001 Z80 256K ?? MICRO 79 C8002 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 C8002A ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Sundance 16 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 Sundance ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Sundance II ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 System 2000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 System 3000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 System 4000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 80 Osborne Computer-------------------------------------------------- Osborne 1 Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 81 Osborne Executive Z80 128K CP/M PORT. 83 Vixen Z80 64K CP/M PORT. 84 OSM Computer Corp.------------------------------------------------ Zeus 2 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 Zeus 2-16 Z80 w/8088 320K ?? MICRO 83 Zeus 3 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 82 Zeus 3X ?? ?? ?? MICRO 85 Zeus 4 Z80 w/8088 64K ?? MICRO 83 Zeus 16 ?? ?? ?? MICRO 83 Otrona Corp.------------------------------------------------------ Attache Z80A 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Panasonic--------------------------------------------------------- Link HHC 6502 4K ?? MICRO 83 RL-H 6502 8K ?? MICRO 81 PCE Systems------------------------------------------------------- Voyager I ?? ?? ?? MICRO 78 Voyager II ?? ?? ?? MICRO 78 Pegasus Data Systems---------------------------------------------- Peanut Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Pegasus Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Personal Microcomputers, Inc.------------------------------------- PMC Micromate Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 PMC 80 Z80 16K ?? MICRO 80 PMC 81 Z80 16K ?? MICRO 81 PMC 101 Z80 128K CP/M MICRO 83 Pertec Computer Corp---------------------------------------------- 2000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 78 3000 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 3200 ?? ?? ?? ?? 83 XL50 ?? ?? ?? ?? 77 Phoenix Digital Corp.--------------------------------------------- CPW 09 6809 128K OS-9 MICRO 80 Optoview 100 6809 128K OS-9 MICRO 80 Plessy Peripheral Systems----------------------------------------- System-24 ?? ?? ?? MINI 83 System-44 ?? ?? ?? MINI 83 Plexus Computers, Inc.-------------------------------------------- P/25 68000 512K UNIX ?? 82 P/35 68000 512K UNIX ?? 82 Point Four Data--------------------------------------------------- Mark 3 ?? ?? ?? ?? 81 Mark 5 ?? ?? ?? ?? 79 Mark 8 ?? ?? ?? ?? 82 Polo Microsystems, Inc.------------------------------------------- Polo System I Z80 w/80188 128K CP/M MICRO 84 Polymorphic Systems----------------------------------------------- Model 813 Z80 256K ?? MICRO 77 Model 8810 Z80 w/80186 256K ?? MICRO 83 Pragmatic Design-------------------------------------------------- Inspector 200 Z80 w/80186 128K ?? MICRO 81 Product Associates------------------------------------------------ Z Disk I Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Z Disk II Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Z Disk III Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Q1 Corporation---------------------------------------------------- Microlite II Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Quasar Data Products---------------------------------------------- QDP-100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 QDP-200 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 QDP-300 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Quasar Company---------------------------------------------------- HHC 6502 2K ?? ?? 83 Quasitronics------------------------------------------------------ Q-5048 Z80 16K ?? MICRO 82 Quay-------------------------------------------------------------- 90 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 77 500 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 900 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 910M ?? ?? CP/M MICRO 82 Rabbit Computer, Inc.--------------------------------------------- Wrap Bit II Z80 80K ?? MICRO 83 Rair Microcomputer Corp.------------------------------------------ Black Box 3/30 8085 64K ?? MICRO 81 Black Box 3/50 8085 256K ?? MICRO 82 Business Computer 8085 w/8088 256K ?? MICRO 82 Sage Computer Technology------------------------------------------ Sage II 68000 128K ?? ?? 83 Sage IV 68000 256K ?? ?? 83 Sanyo Business Systems Corp.-------------------------------------- MBC-1000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 MBC-1100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 MBC-1150 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 85 MBC-1160 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 85 MBC-1200 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 MBC-1250 Z80 (x2) 64K CP/M MICRO 85 MBC-2000 8085 64K ?? MICRO 82 MBC-3000 8085 64K ?? MICRO 82 MBC-4050 Z80 w/8086 128K ?? MICRO 85 PHC-20 8085 4K ?? ?? 83 Scenic Computer Systems------------------------------------------- Scenic 8085 70K ?? MICRO 81 Scientific Data Systems------------------------------------------- 420 6502 32K ?? MICRO 79 Seattle Computer Products----------------------------------------- Gazelle I 8086 128K CP/M MICRO 82 Seequa Computer--------------------------------------------------- Chameleon Z80 w/8088 128K ?? MICRO 83 PC Z80 w/8088 128K ?? MICRO 84 XT Z80 w/8088 256K ?? MICRO 84 Sharp Electronics------------------------------------------------- PC-1211 6809 2K ?? ?? 81 PC-1250A 6809 ?? ?? ?? 84 PC-1260 6809 4K ?? ?? 84 PC-1261 6809 10K ?? ?? 84 PC-1350 6809 5K ?? ?? 84 PC-1500A 6809 8K ?? ?? 83 System 100 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 System 200 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Sierra Computer Systems------------------------------------------- CX Workstation 68020 2MB ?? ?? 86 Sierra National--------------------------------------------------- 3000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 4000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 80 Sinclair Research, Ltd.------------------------------------------- ZX81 Z80A 1K ?? MICRO 85 SKS Computers----------------------------------------------------- SKS 1000 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Solo Systems------------------------------------------------------ 1116 Solostation 68000 1MB ?? ?? 84 Sony Video Communications----------------------------------------- SMC-70 Z80 w/8086 256K ?? MICRO 82 Sord Computers, Inc.---------------------------------------------- IS-11 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 IS-11C Z80A 80K ?? MICRO 87 M 23 Z80 128K ?? MICRO 83 M 68 Z80 w/68000 256K ?? MICRO 83 M 68MX 68000 512K ?? MICRO 87 Southern Computer Systems----------------------------------------- Series 8000 8088 w/8085 128K ?? MICRO 83 Sperry Corporation------------------------------------------------ BC/7-600 Z80 48K ?? MICRO 83 Mapper 5 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 Star Technologies, Inc.------------------------------------------- M1 68000 512K ?? ?? 82 Ministar 200 68000 512K ?? ?? 81 Ministar 1200 68000 128K ?? ?? 83 Nanostar 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 Stride Micro------------------------------------------------------ 420 68000 256K ?? ?? 84 440 68000 256K ?? ?? 84 460 68000 256K ?? ?? 84 Sumicom, Inc.----------------------------------------------------- 830 Z80 128K CP/M ?? 83 Systems Group----------------------------------------------------- 2900 Z80 128K ?? ?? 81 ExpressLine 68000 768K ?? ?? 83 Syzygy------------------------------------------------------------ Syzygy Computer System Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Tandy Corporation------------------------------------------------- 4D Micro Z80A 64K ?? MICRO 85 102 80C85 32K ?? PORT. 86 200 80C85 24K ?? PORT. 85 6000 68000 512K ?? MICRO 84 Color Computer 2 6809E 64K ?? MICRO 84 Color Computer 3 6809E 128K ?? MICRO 86 PC-4 Z80 ?? ?? PORT. 83 PC-5 Z80 ?? ?? PORT. 85 PC-6 Z80 8K ?? PORT. 86 Color Computer 6809 16K ?? MICRO 84 Micro Color Computer 6809 64K ?? MICRO 84 TRS-80 Model 4P Z80 64K ?? MICRO 84 TRS-80 Model 12 Z80 80K ?? MICRO 83 TRS-80 Model 16B 68000 w/Z80 256K ?? MICRO 83 TRS-80 Model 100 Z80 24K ?? MICRO 83 TRS-80 Model 1000 8088 128K ?? MICRO 85 TRS-80 Model II Z80 64K ?? MICRO 78 TRS-80 Model III Z80 64K ?? MICRO 80 TRS-80 PC-1 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 80 TRS-80 PC-2 Z80 32K ?? MICRO 82 Tano Corporation-------------------------------------------------- AVT-2 6502 64K ?? MICRO 82 Tarbell Electronics----------------------------------------------- Empire Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 Rebel Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Televideo Systems, Inc.------------------------------------------- TPC I Z80 64K CP/M ?? 83 TS 800 Z80 64K CP/M ?? 86 TS 802 Z80 64K CP/M ?? 82 TS 803 Z80 64K CP/M ?? 83 TS 804 Z80 64K CP/M ?? 83 TS 806 Z80 64K CP/M ?? 81 TS 816 Z80 128K CP/M ?? 82 3R Computer Products---------------------------------------------- Avatar TC10 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 82 Avatar TC3278 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Texas Instruments------------------------------------------------- 99/2 TMS9900 4K ?? MICRO 83 99/4A TMS9900 16K ?? MICRO 83 200 TMS9900 64K ?? ?? 83 300 TMS9900 128K ?? ?? 83 990 TMS9900 2MB ?? ?? 81 CC 40 TMS9900 6K ?? ?? 83 Timex Computer---------------------------------------------------- TS 1000 Z80 1K ?? MICRO 83 TS 2000 Z80 16K ?? MICRO 83 Torch Computers--------------------------------------------------- Model CF110 Z80 w/6502 96K ?? MICRO 82 Toshiba, Inc.----------------------------------------------------- EW100 Z80 w/6502 64K ?? MICRO 81 T100 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 T200 8085 64K ?? MICRO 81 T250 8085 64K ?? MICRO 81 Vector Graphic, Inc.---------------------------------------------- Vector 4 Z80 w/8088 128K ?? MICRO 83 Vector 5005E Z80 128K ?? MICRO 82 Vector 5010E Z80 128K ?? MICRO 82 Vector 5032E Z80 128K ?? MICRO 82 Vector SX-2000 Z80 w/8086 128K ?? MICRO 84 Vector SX-3000 Z80 w/8086 128K ?? MICRO 84 Vector SX-5000 Z80 w/8086 128K ?? MICRO 84 Video Technology Computers, Inc.---------------------------------- Laser 50 Z80 2K ?? PORT. 84 Laser 128 6502 128K PRODOS8 MICRO 87 Laser 128EX 65C02 128K PRODOS8 MICRO 87 Laser 200 6502 4K ?? ?? 83 Laser 3000 6502 64K ?? ?? 83 Wicat Systems, Inc.----------------------------------------------- System 150 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 System 155 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 System 160 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 System 200 68000 512K ?? ?? 83 System 300 68000 2MB ?? ?? 83 System 2200 68000 1MB ?? ?? 83 Xerox Corporation------------------------------------------------- System 744-I Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 System 744-II Z80 64K ?? MICRO 83 16/8 Z80 w/8086 192K ?? MICRO 83 820-II Z80 64K ?? MICRO 82 Zeda Computers---------------------------------------------------- 520 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 81 580A Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 79 Zenith Data Systems----------------------------------------------- Z-89 Z80 48K ?? MICRO 79 Z-90 Z80 64K ?? MICRO 81 Z-100 8088 w/8085 192K ?? MICRO 82 Zilog, Inc.------------------------------------------------------- System 8000/11 Z8000 512K ?? ?? 83 System 8000/12 Z8001 512K ?? ?? 84 System 8000/21 Z8000 512K ?? ?? 83 System 8000/22 Z8001 512K ?? ?? 84 System 8000/32 Z8001 512K ?? ?? 84 ==================================================================

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Hello folks

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Hello everyone, Glad to be here. Im in Lawrence KS, an NT administrator for the Dept of Labor and have the following machines. Timex/Sinclair1500 "" 2050 Modem Tandy Color/2 Trs80 Model 4, 128k Trs80 Model 4, 64K Apple /// Profile HD Apple //gs 100meg scsi drive Apple//e Apple//c Apple][+ Apple Macintosh SE Apple Macintosh Se/30 Atari 400 Atari 800XL 1050 FDD Atari 1200Xl 1050 FDD Commodore 64 1541 FDD (2) IBM PC, [dual floppy} Anything I can help with please let me know and visit my web page on my home server. http:\\24.124.36.31 Bill G. Aka. TheDM

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Storage and specialization

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

I've had a storage unit for years now (PETs take up wayyy too much room in an apartment, not to mention YEARS of COMPUTE!, Commodore, Ahoy, RUN, Etc.) The big pain about the storage unit is having to dig through the layers of goodies to find what you are getting at. Or even worse knowing you have a tidbit on some subject in you think one of X magazines, and you would have to dig through issues and issues (not at home) to find it. I specialize in my collecting, Commodore 8-bits and just recently Atari 8-Bits. I would have to move to even think of another brand. :/ Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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Packing Computers

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

I have been shipping computers for a while now with no problem whatsoever. I follow the guidelines already mentioned with a couple twists: Wrap the items in bubble wrap (best) or a plastic bag, anti-static is best. This protects the surfaces and stops the styrofoam from being in direct contact with the plastic on the machine. Keeps foam from getting into the slots, etc. I also notice that the plastic in the cords especially tend to bond with the foam after a while. Popcorn in the bottom. Put the system in. Popcorn on sides and on top. Allow for settling, compress it until it's firm. Seal it up. If putting items on top of each other I'd put a piece of cardboard in between along with a few inches of popcorn just in case things move. This is for shipping. I've shipped lots of stuff packed in a single box without a single casualty. Moving a short distance shouldn't be as much of a big deal but if someone drops a box, you'll be glad you did it. I didn't have any casualties when I moved last year either. I get packing material from a couple sources. A camera shop here gets about 5 big bags a month since all their stuff is fragile. A manufacturer has a big cardboard recycling area where they dump boxes and bubblewrap. If someone is near Mountain View, CA (near where I used to live), I have a great source for tons of this stuff. Email me. Greg PS: I have an Apple IIc & IIe on Auctionweb that are going cheap so far. The IIc is only at $3.25! Even cheap compared to you guy's standards. Shipping is extra though (UPS). Auction ends tomorrow. Apple IIC Computer (photo) Current bid: $3.25 Auction ends on: 06/04/97, 22:48:02 PDT http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=znb774144 Apple IIe Computer, Duo Drive, 64K (photo) Current bid: $20.50 Auction ends on: 06/04/97, 22:54:32 PDT http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=cjt6509

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