Hey!
I put an old 10 MB hard drive case on AuctionWeb last week. Nobody is bidding on
it so if it doesn't sell, it's free. It's just a white case with a fan and power
supply. A really nice guy wrote and offered the drive that goes in it for
shipping only (see bottom of message). Auction ends tomorrow-hurry!
Here's what you do, go to the auction link:
http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=dkq99203
Bid $1. If nobody outbids you, it's yours for shipping only. Just remind me if I
don't recognize your email address. Shipping should be less than $5. You could do
the whole thing for less than $10. Worth it? I dunno.
? By the way, there's an Imagewriter I that's only up to $3+shipping at:
http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=qpa201
? And a cool like new thermal printer for laptops (circa 1984) at:
http://www2.ebay.com/aw/itemfast.cgi?item=yrk8174
? And I have a few C-64's and 1541 drives that are dead. Free + shipping if
anyone's interested. Oh and a Okimate 10 printer that's laying around too.
*** The guy with the drive that goes in it is:
> Subject: tandy hd case
> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 21:03:20 PDT
> From: "Roger LaPointe" <eldens(a)concentric.net>
> To: gmast(a)oboe.aix.calpoly.edu
>
>
> I've got a 10 meg hd (tandon) that came in one of the cases.
>
> if you can use it, you can have it for the actual ups costs. ($3 or $4 ???)
> it just sits on the shelf, and I hated to throw it away (along with all the
> Seagate ST-225's)
>
> thanx Roger
>
>
Hi all,
I'm looking for a power cable for my Cromemco System 3. It's kind of a
bizarre cable. The recessed male panel jack is a flattened oval, 1" by
1/2", with 3 conductors. The center ground pin is very slightly offset
>from the other two pins.
Any thoughts where I can get one of these?
thanks
Kai
I couldn't resist going into a favorite thrift store today, and boy what
a find I made. First there's the Tandy 1000EX. Cool, but definitely not
as cool as the Burroughs adding machine! I have no idea what year this
thing is from, but it's case is made of a steel frame with glass sides so
you can see the mechanisms inside. I don't know how much it's worth, but
I picked it up for $50. This thing is heavy (about 50-60lbs). I love
it! I'm going to make it the centerpiece of my in-home museum (someday).
Sam
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At 04:25 PM 6/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Somewhere in the back of my head I had the idea that a TDP-100
>was a Coco with added serial hardware included so that Radio
>Shack could sell it as a color video terminal. Does anyone
>else remember this, or am I completely out of my mind?
They did sell a "VideoTex" terminal that sure looked like a coco. Sold it
for use with CompuServe, (among others,) as I recall. Perhaps this is what
you're thinking of?
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Hi Issac, thanks for volunteering to maintain the list! I think this is
a wonderful idea and one that will help us all.
Marvin Johnston
marvin(a)rain.org
(805) 6897-8881
Santa Barbara, CA
Primary Interest: Early Microcomputers from the 70's and associated
documentation.
Found one! Vetco here in Bellevue had a box of 'em... at the usurious
price of $9.50, but what can ya do?
At least I picked up some interesting 8-bit ISA cards for $1-$4 apiece,
namely:
- Silicon Valley ADP50 (IDE drives in PCs!)
- Kaypro NEC V20 accelerator/Z80 emulator card
- Kraft dual joystick adapter
- Ad Lib sound card
Kai
> ----------
> From: James Willing[SMTP:jimw@agora.rdrop.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 4:48 PM
> To: Kai Kaltenbach
> Cc: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: Power cable for Cromemco
>
> On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Kai Kaltenbach wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for a power cable for my Cromemco System 3. It's kind
> of a
> > bizarre cable. The recessed male panel jack is a flattened oval, 1"
> by
> > 1/2", with 3 conductors. The center ground pin is very slightly
> offset
> > from the other two pins.
> >
> > Any thoughts where I can get one of these?
>
> Actually, not too odd at all. Don't know about currently (as I've not
> looked for a while) but these used to be quite common on office
> equipment.
>
> And... (if you did not see this coming) I think I have a spare or two
> around... (gotta turn over *all* of those rocks!)
>
> Bad ASCII art warning!
>
> /-------------\
> | O O |
> | O |
> \-------------/
>
> Looks something (nothing?) like this? eh?
>
> If you don't turn one up local, let me know and I'll try to find one
> to
> send along with the other stuff...
>
> -jim
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>
>Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop
>a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are
>when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options.
>Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to
>pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want
An excellent idea! Sign me up! Hmm... what info? Name, location,
collecting interests, etc?
Uncle Roger
San Francisco
All computers, especially portables.
<sinasohn(a)ricochet.net> or <sinasohn(a)crl.com>
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One more...hope this doesn't get annoying.
Sam
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
I have the following CP/M hardware for sale:
************************* K10 ******************************
Kaypro 10 v1.9E (1983?)
Boots: KAYPRO 60K CP/M Version 2.2H
Occasionally returns BDOS errors when writing to the hard
drive. I suspect it needs to be replaced (but maybe a good
low-level format would help?)
Does not have system disks (I bought it "as-is" with system
installed on the hard drive). I do, however, have a copy of
of the Kaypro Technical manual (the real McCoy, used by the
technicians...) and the padded carrying case. Will sell all
three and ship anywhere in the lower 48 for $70.
************************** K4 ******************************
Kaypro 4 (semi-cannabalized)
System was plugged in when a lighting strike hit power lines
System no longer sees the keyboard -- the keyboard is good
and worked on another Kaypro. As I recall, the following
subsystems are still good: keyboard, monitor, 2 half-height
diskette drives, and most of the motherboard. (no pwr supply)
Will sell and ship anywhere in the lower 48 for $35.
Send email to: 72530.1626(a)compuserve.com
If you're conveniently located in the Southeast Michigan area
or Northwest Ohio (or willing to drive there), we can set up
a local pickup and dispense with the hassle and expense of
shipping.
Thank you.
From: David Venzke
Compuserve: 72530,1626
Internet: 72530.1626(a)compuserve.com
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Sam
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I would be happy to help in this collection, I am in Lawrence KS, USA
----------
> From: e.tedeschi <e.tedeschi(a)ndirect.co.uk>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: (fwd) PDP 11/34...more info (fwd)
> Date: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 1:23 PM
>
> Isaac Davis wrote:
> >
> > At 09:24 AM 6/11/97 -0700, Sam wrote:
> > >On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, James Willing wrote:
> > >
> > >> Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to
develop
> > >> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others
are
> > >> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local
options.
> > >> Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be
able to
> > >> pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did
want
> > >> it.
> > >>
> > >> Or am I just dreaming out loud?
> > >
> > >Not at all. This is a terrific idea! I nominate Bill Whitson to
> > >formulate this list :)
> > >
> > >
> > >Sam
> >
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
> > >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete,
Writer, Jackass
> > >
> > I agree completely. I would be willing to go pick up stuff headed for
the
> > dump and hold it till someone could make space for it. My house only
has
> > room for a small select few computers, but I could make room in storage
> > until shipping could be arranged. We ought to make this like a Mr. (or
Ms.)
> > Rescue for classics. When the list is started, put me down for the
Austin,
> > TX area.
> > Isaac Davis
> > idavis(a)comland.com
> > indavis(a)juno.com
>
> OK, put me down for southern England (UK)
>
> enrico
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Isaac Davis wrote:
>
> At 09:24 AM 6/11/97 -0700, Sam wrote:
> >On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, James Willing wrote:
> >
> >> Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop
> >> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are
> >> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options.
> >> Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to
> >> pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want
> >> it.
> >>
> >> Or am I just dreaming out loud?
> >
> >Not at all. This is a terrific idea! I nominate Bill Whitson to
> >formulate this list :)
> >
> >
> >Sam
> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
> >
> I agree completely. I would be willing to go pick up stuff headed for the
> dump and hold it till someone could make space for it. My house only has
> room for a small select few computers, but I could make room in storage
> until shipping could be arranged. We ought to make this like a Mr. (or Ms.)
> Rescue for classics. When the list is started, put me down for the Austin,
> TX area.
> Isaac Davis
> idavis(a)comland.com
> indavis(a)juno.com
OK, put me down for southern England (UK)
enrico
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I personally would like a printer for every machine in my system if one was
made for it and it works.
Sinclair1500, Atari, 400,800xl, 1200xl, C64, TandyColor/2 Tandy Model4, and
almost every apple made.
----------
> From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Printers
> Date: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 12:36 PM
>
> Along the lines of saving stuff, does anyone collect the old printers?
> I have several including the SWTP 40 column printer, the usual
> assortment of Tandy and CBM printers, a couple of DecWriters (LA36), an
> early Centronics, a number of daisy wheel printers, and my newest
> addition, an ASR 33. But I also run into quite a few (usually free)
> that I don't have the room or inclination to store. I would guess that
> most of the older printers will head for the dump with few people
> caring, but then again ...
I know where you can get a BioRythm, but not if you want to pull the
chip out...
Kai
> ----------
> From: Marvin[SMTP:marvin@rain.org]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 4:49 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: 4004
>
> e.tedeschi wrote:
> >
> > Please have a look at my collection at:
> >
> > <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi/homecomp.htm>
> >
>
> I just took a look ... VERY nice! How long has the museum been in
> existence and how long have you been collecting?
>
> > I am looking for a 4004 microprocessor. Also for an 8008. Does
> anybody
> > know of one going for sale? I will pay cash or have many British
> > computers for trade/swap.
> >
>
> One of the early arcade "games", a unit called BioRhythm" used the
> 4004
> as the processor. Wish I hadn't gotten rid of them all now! I don't
> know if they were exported your way or not.
>
>Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to >develop a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where >others are when things like this pop up so that we could have some local >options. Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be >able to pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone >who did want it.
This seems like an excellent suggestion. Put me down for Dallas/Fort Worth, TX. USA.
Regards,
Bob
> > RS published a technical manual for the color computer; I have a copy of
> > somewhere. HOWEVER I found there's an app note from Motorola with schema
> > that almost exactly match those in the RS technical manual. I don't reca
> > whether it was a 6809 app note or a 6847 app note though. If you can fin
> > set of old Motorola data books you may be able to find it.
>
> It's probably a 6883 (SAM) app note, isn't it?
I don't have the app note but I do have the data book and it has a partial
of what the coco1 might have been.
Allison
At 03:05 AM 6/11/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi, The grey/beige HP terminal with heavy keyboard that have
>black and white "squashed" monitor shaped does have this 8008 chip
>in one of its "card". Accessible by tripping two catches between the
If you're speaking of the venerable HP2645 terminal, I know it had a Z80 in
it. (And some people did rig it up as a crude CP/M machine.) Dunno about
the 8008 though...
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At 11:17 PM 6/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>One more...hope this doesn't get annoying.
Nope, just frustrating -- none of them are near me! 8^(
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At 09:24 AM 6/11/97 -0700, Sam wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, James Willing wrote:
>
>> Mayhaps, as a parallel to the 'Classic Computer Index", we need to develop
>> a 'Classic Computer Collectors Index' so that we know where others are
>> when things like this pop up so that we could have some local options.
>> Even if a person did not want the particular item, they might be able to
>> pick it up while arrangements were made to get it to someone who did want
>> it.
>>
>> Or am I just dreaming out loud?
>
>Not at all. This is a terrific idea! I nominate Bill Whitson to
>formulate this list :)
>
>
>Sam
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
>
I agree completely. I would be willing to go pick up stuff headed for the
dump and hold it till someone could make space for it. My house only has
room for a small select few computers, but I could make room in storage
until shipping could be arranged. We ought to make this like a Mr. (or Ms.)
Rescue for classics. When the list is started, put me down for the Austin,
TX area.
Isaac Davis
idavis(a)comland.com
indavis(a)juno.com
At 01:59 PM 6/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>> << EVERYONE knows that MY COMMODORE 64 is WAY better than YOUR APPLE! >>
>
>It's hard to have holy wars like the old days when you now own all the
>machines you used to make fun of.
Actually, it's easier! You can argue with yourself! (Hint: don't do this
on the bus; people look at you funny.)
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San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
At 01:31 PM 6/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>This is a reminder for those in the San Francisco Bay area that
>on June 14 in Mountain View, there will be an junk/electronics sale.
Thanks for the reminder! I've missed the last one (or two?) and would have
missed this one otherwise.
>There will likely be a small get together (two people so far). Anyone who
>is interested in the get together let me know. There is a pretty good
As of right now, the only thing on my calendar for Saturday is Flag day (and
I don't own a flag.) If I can keep that open, and convince my girlfriend
and/or my dad they'd enjoy it, I'll be there. (hmmm... Add to Friday's to
do list: Rob Bank) Let me know details... Thanks!
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>Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:47:56 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com>
>Subject: C64 thingy
>I picked up a Commodore 64 a while ago that had this special board
>inside. It was inserted between the keyboard and the motherboard. IE.
>it had a connector that plugged into the keyboard rolex connector on the
>motherboard and then the keyboard ribbon cable plugged into it. Then it
>had a 9-pin male D-type connector than came out the back of the C64. My
>guess is that it was for a numeric keypad or something. I forgot what
>was stamped on the circuit board. Any ideas?
Sounds like a keypad connector to me, I think it may be a Cardco
keypad (there I think was an option to plug it into the joystick port
and interface it via software.
I have some other brand which uses a DIP connector (like old apple
paddle/joysticks), unfortunately I do not have the 64 with the interface
board though.
Larry Anderson
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> The smaller is the TRS80 color computer with real keys on the keyboard.
> I have two of these one the case was wiped out, board is ok.
>
>Lacking docs I presume these have rom Basic. What expansion is possible
>(there is a port) and how hard. Do they run any real OSs or some TRShack?
RS sold OS/9 for the color computer. I don't know what models are required
to run it.
>What's the odds of finding DOCS especially schematics?
RS published a technical manual for the color computer; I have a copy of it
somewhere. HOWEVER I found there's an app note from Motorola with schematics
that almost exactly match those in the RS technical manual. I don't recall
whether it was a 6809 app note or a 6847 app note though. If you can find a
set of old Motorola data books you may be able to find it.
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
Please have a look at my collection at:
<http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi/homecomp.htm>
I am looking for a 4004 microprocessor. Also for an 8008. Does anybody
know of one going for sale? I will pay cash or have many British
computers for trade/swap.
Thanks
enrico
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HI,
In my non-op list of equipment I have three cocos apparently operational.
They are of two different styles.
The smaller is the TRS80 color computer with real keys on the keyboard.
I have two of these one the case was wiped out, board is ok.
The larger is TDP-100 personal color computer with chiclet keys.
Lacking docs I presume these have rom Basic. What expansion is possible
(there is a port) and how hard. Do they run any real OSs or some TRShack?
What's the odds of finding DOCS especially schematics?
I have a xt class machine with an Intel Inboard386...(works too!) what's the
odds of finding schemtics or expansion ram for it? The 1meg of ram is tight
for somne stuff. Currently I use it as a 10x faster xt.
Allison
>>DigCam: + Easy to use, convenient
>> - Expensive to buy, somewhat limited capacity,
>> no hard copy of images (except printer output)
>
>>Photo/Scanner: + Hard Copy, can be used for other stuff too
>> - Film and Developing can be expensive, takes time
>
>>Camcorder: + Easy to use, Allows for selecting the right image
>> from several views
>> - Video capture hardware/software isn't cheap
>
Well, I guess it's time to put my two cents in. I own a Kodak DC20 digital
camera, and a handheld color scanner.
The digital camera is the basic model, no frills. It holds 8 hi res
pics, and 16 low res pics. As far as quality goes, it really depends on the
lighting conditions and the distance that you are going to be shooting at.
It can get some incredible pictures, but it does have it share of bad ones.
As far as taking pictures of our computers, it is great for taking good
desriptive pictures (here's my pdp 11...) If you wanted to take a picture of
a circuit board and be able to make out the chip numbers and wiring, forget
it. It has decent resolution, but nothing like a scanner and a 35mm photo,
and the light has to be right with this camera, since there is no flash
(yet). I usually save the pictures in jpeg format, and each hi-res picture
is about 25-35k. Not too bad on the storage side.
My handheld color scanner is absolutely great. Unfortunately, I am
always wanting to scan something in 1" wider than the scanner, which makes
it a real pain even with great picture editing software. I would really
recommend a flatbed scanner, but you might as well grab another hard drive
while you are at it. Those color hi-res pictures take up more space than it
took to put a man on the moon. Also, as a side note, it takes about 55
seconds to warm up the bulb on the color scanner. It's not a major gripe,
just an inconvenience.
Bottom line: My suggestion is - If you are looking to take pictures
of your collection (for personal or insurance reasons) and store them in a
safe, and take a buch of cheap pictures of your kids, go with the digital
camera. If you are looking to scan in boards and pieces of equipment, and
are looking for extreme detail, I would go with the scanner. I find that
having both is really convenient, and I can pretty much get the results that
I am looking for and not be dissappointed with either. If I only owned one
of them, I could definitely see times when I would not be happy with the
results. As for the Camcorder products, those are next on my list.
Isaac Davis
idavis(a)comland.com
indavis(a)juno.com
> Color Computer 2: White, 4K-64K
One is definatly a coco2 with 64k. no question.
> Color Computer 3: White, 64K-128K
I suspect the board I have is one of these with 128k (four 41464s) and
a lot of the logic is on an ASIC.
> I've never heard of a TDP-100. The Color Computers had ROM BASIC and
TDP is TANDY DATA PRODUCTS when tandy was trying to seperate from the
Radiocrap idea in the early 80s.
TDP-100 It's coco 6809, cart port and configureable for 16 or 64k. This one
has 64k I suspect it's the COCO-1 but case color is white and black and
keyboard is chicklet style. Has all the joystick connectors and the like.
It's design is lots of chips compared to the other two I suspect early
design. Also it's serial number 0000038! It also has lots of mods.
The inboard386/pc and inboard386/at are similar save for one is designed to
replace the 8088 and is 8-bit ISA and the other the 286 with 16bit ISA.
The /PC version has 1mb of ram but with more (4mb) I could use it as a slow
(it's 16mhz) linux box. A schematic of the connector for the ram expansion
would be useful, I can hack my own board. The PC version cannot use the
motherboard ram as far as I can see in the book and even if it could I need
more.
Allison
To clarify some statements that have already been made on the TI-99/4A, I'd
like to comment:
<< True, that's bizarre... they appear to be especially common in the
northwest. But just try to find a PEB! >>
There were approximately 1+ million consoles manufactured by Texas
Instruments from 1981 through early 1984. There were also approximately
250,000 Peripheral Expansion Systems also manufactured. So, while it's true
there were more consoles, PEB's are not hard to find.
<< What I need is the Speech Editor cartridge! >>
To Jeff Hellige - these are little rare to find, but are still available. I
got mine for around $20 from someone in California. But, you can call up any
vendor and get them from around $25-30, due to their rarity.
<< Personally, my opinion of the TI-99/4a varies from stupid piece of shit
to semi-decent machine. Today I feel like stupid piece of shit. It was
almost completely closed, it's BASIC sucked and was slow, it's keyboard
sucked, and if it wasn't for the hordes of TI-99 faithfuls it would've
been just a footnote. I don't understand what the big attraction was,
but then, I came from the world of Apple ][, to which nothing could
compare (uh oh, here come the holy wars). >>
To Sam -- The TI-99/4A, in my opinion, is at the very least a semi-decent
machine. The BASIC interpreter is what slowed things down a bit, but you
have to look at it from a different perspective - no PEEKs or POKEs just to
program graphics and/or sound, like some other machines (no, I'm good enough
not to mention any names). The keyboard did "suck" compared to that of a PC,
but it was very simple - especially suited towards children. From my own
experience, I found the keyboard easy to use compared to a Commodore 64 - the
touch response was better. The big attraction came from the fact that it was
16-bit, had full color, sprites (smoothly-moving objects), excellent speech
synthesis, easy to use cartridges, and expandability. Some of the games were
amazing (like Parsec and Alpiner) - way ahead of its time. And you can do
word processing and spreadsheets with it as well.
<< Even the original PC was really bad, mostly closed design. They
were all noteable as it told marketers what would fly and what had to be
there. Amusingly the ti has what every P5 box has today, graphics, sound,
games so they weren't that far off <in a perverse sort of way>. >>
Allison -- I couldn't agree with you more. The TI-99/4A was an amazing
machine when you look back at all the components and features it had. It's
still easier than my P120 I'm using to type this message - as there's no
icons to click, no finagling around to get where you need to go or to do
this. Just press 2 keys and you're in the program with the TI. Now that I
call ease-of-use!
<< EVERYONE knows that MY COMMODORE 64 is WAY better than YOUR APPLE! >>
To Les -- Yes, the Commodore 64 IS better than the Apple - I must admit!
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And to Bill and others -- So you can begin to see with all these replies that
people at least knew about the TI-99/4A and its positives/negatives. But
that's to go with any machine. It's about what you learned on, and what you
grew up with. In my case, this is the computer I learned on, and I'll stick
with it forever because once you get used to one thing, it's hard to change
sometimes. Same goes I'm sure for everyone else on this list server.
The TI-99/4A was one of the most popular computers ever made back in the
early 80's. Again, 1 million consoles gives you a hint. And, I'll tell you
why they're like roaches sitting around -- most people bought them for around
$50-100 when TI was going out of business (late 1983 into early 1984), played
a few games on them, and then said, "I'm done!". Instead of throwing them in
the garbage, they thought they were worth something, and now you see them all
around in thrift stores. I even went to a local fair around town last year
and picked one up for $5! But remember, for these people, that's all they
wanted to do with this computer. But for those that were serious, you could
do much, much more with it!
Bryan Nicalek
bnicalek(a)aol.com
jpero(a)mail.cgo.wave.ca writes:
> Hi, The grey/beige HP terminal with heavy keyboard that have
> black and white "squashed" monitor shaped does have this 8008 chip
> in one of its "card". Accessible by tripping two catches between the
> shells to hinge up the monitor to reveal the cards in bottom case
> part.
What you're writing about is the HP 264X line of terminals. They
don't all use 8008 CPUs. The 2640s do, but I'm sure the 2645s use
8080s (and think the 2641, 2644, 2648A do too), and the 2647F uses some
proprietary HP CPU. Not sure about 2642, 2647A, or the 2649s which
are customized for specific applications, e.g. there was a flavor of
2649 used as the system console for HP 3000/33 minis.
Fun terminals. I could go on for a while about them.
The 2640s and 2641/4/5s have a facility allowing the downloading of
code from the host. Somewhere around here I have a Space Invaders
game and a Pac-Man game that run in the 2645s, and have heard of a
driving game. Also have heard that some folks in the Gaithersburg, MD
area turned a 2645 into some sort of BBS some years ago.
The "two catches" are hidden. Look on the case left and right sides,
you will see horizontal slots between the base and the CRT housing.
Inside those horizontal slots, a couple of inches back from the front,
are vertical slots. The object is to stick a "terminal key"
(basically a thin flat piece of metal, but a stiff paperclip can be
made to serve) into those slots to push open the catches that are at
the top of the slots. While pushing, lift the CRT housing. If like
most of us you have no more than two hands (and only one key) you may
find it convenient to do one side at a time, which is OK.
-Frank McConnell
I want your old microcomputers from the 70s and 80s. I do NOT want any
common PC clone. I am looking mainly for stuff that doesn't exist in
any way shape or form today. I am looking for rarer models, as I already
own most of the more common micros of the early micro-revolution.
Please e-mail me at dastar(a)crl.com with what you got and we can work out
a deal. Thanks.
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So this guy, Gary, responds and tells me he has an IMSAI 8080 and a Victor
9000 he wouldn't mind getting rid of. SCORE! So anyway, he used to be an
attendee of the Homebrew Computer Club, which if you don't know was a
bunch of hackers and geeks (including of course Jobs and Wozniak) who got
together every week or month in (I believe) either Mountain View or
Sunnyvale, to show off the computers they were building. Read Steven
Levy's _Hackers_ for the complete (and very entertaining) story. He was
telling me all these cool stories. One was about how a Lawrence Livermore
National Lab employee made a bunch of paper-tape copies of Gates' BASIC
when it first came out and brought them to a meeting of the HCC, claiming
that on his way over, a box of stuff dropped from a bus, and when he went
to go check it out he found all these weird paper tapes in it (40 or so)
and that everyone was welcome to have them, whereby he began tossing them
out into the audience. Gary of course got one of them, and invited me to
look at and touch it under the condition that I didn't drool on it and
muss it up. It was in perfect condition! The neatest thing about it is
that it had "Z80 BASIC COPYRIGHT MICROSOFT" punched into it (that isn't
the actual message, I've forgotten what it said already). He said the
week after, Bill himself showed up and whined to the crowd, asking "How
am I supposed to make any money off this if you guys are pirating my
stuff?" I'm sure, in hindsight, Bill certainly doesn't mind the fact
that the Microsoft BASIC standard created by the piracy of his original
BASIC has made him a $32 billion man today.
He went on to tell me the stories about how he built his IMSAI and applied
fixes and patches for flaws in the design, and showed me the schematics
and took me through some of the documentation. He's a really neat guy.
We're going to be staying in touch. He's moving soon and he says when he
cleans his garage out and figures what else he has he will probably let me
have some of it, including his full run of Byte magazine starting from
issue 4. He also has a CompuPro 8/16 that he wanted to hang onto, as well
as a Heathkit H19 terminal that he built from the kit, but he says he
might not want to take them with him.
So anyway, that's what a day of tooling around the bay area got me. I also
met Paul Coad at a parking lot sale and we ran into Doug Coward (you may
have checked out his Web museum page, I forget the URL).
It was a good day.
Sam
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Z100 free
Conditions:
YOU PICK UP.
YOU TAKE ALL SOFTWARE AND MANUALS
I live in Northeastern Maryland. Close to an I95 exit. If interested
email me at ltelets(a)tec1.apg.army.mil
It has two 5 and a quarter floppies amd a detached monochrome monitor.
It runs but could make a fine boat anchor *8^)
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Hope someone can take advantage of this.
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TeleVideo TS802 computer uupdated with 20 meg hard drive (partitioned
10/10).
Its free.
Machine has several upgrades; CPU speed 5 mhz, faster memory chips,
Zsystem operating system. User friendly ZCPR plus auto loading function
keys and a whole bunch of other upgrades I forget.
Has Wordstar ver. 4.0, dBase ll loaded and configured on the hard drive.
Machine has original manual and shipping carton.
It's located in Edmonton, AB, Canada
you can contact me: peterc(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Peter
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>Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:54:59 -0700
>From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)crl.com>
>Subject: Digital Imaging (was: Re: Chisolm)
>I have been trying to decide the best way to get images into digital form.
>Naturally, a digital camera is one way, but not the only. There's also the
>photo/scanner method, camcorder/video capture, and probably others. As I
>see it, the pros/cons are:
>DigCam: + Easy to use, convenient
> - Expensive to buy, somewhat limited capacity,
> no hard copy of images (except printer output)
>Photo/Scanner: + Hard Copy, can be used for other stuff too
> - Film and Developing can be expensive, takes time
>Camcorder: + Easy to use, Allows for selecting the right image
> from several views
> - Video capture hardware/software isn't cheap
>So, does anyone have thoughts on which is best? I'd like a scanner for
>other things, but they're expensive too. There's also the question of 35mm
>vs. polaroid and type of scanner. (Not to mention where the heck would I
>put it!) I've got a camcorder and my girlfriend's mac supposedly can do
>video capture as is, but I've got to find software and figure it out.
----------->
I myself went with the scanner, mainly because I want to do some OCR
with it as well as scanning, flat bed is better than a ahndheld, and you
would not believe the prices nowadays. You can get a new Microtek E3
for under $200! (for IBM or Mac!) Check your local discount mail-order
firm.
- - - - - - - -
BTW (and to keep on-topic), anyone know of some decent OCR software that
can reliably convert dot-matrix hard copy? The Omnipage LE (shipped
with the scanner) can't make heads or tails out of most of it (and
barely works with the dot-matrix stuff it can. :/ (I have a couple
issues of the Commodore Gazzette (pre-COMPUTE!) and alot of it is dot
matrix.)
Larry Anderson
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At 02:01 PM 6/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>(there is a port) and how hard. Do they run any real OSs or some TRShack?
I am told that OS-9 is a pretty good OS, but I don't have any real
experience with it. I'm sure there are OS-9 resources out on the net
somewhere...
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>
> After the collapse of the market for the TI 99/4a, Radio Shack sold many
> of the parts (including the keyboard, the internal switching power supply
The TI99/4a is not a switcher. I have both the RS powersupply board and
two TI99/4a (a black one and a grey one) and neither use a switcher!
Now the original ti99/4 with the chicklet keyboard (scarce) did use the
switcher.
Allison
> Somewhere in the back of my head I had the idea that a TDP-100
> was a Coco with added serial hardware included so that Radio
> Shack could sell it as a color video terminal. Does anyone
> else remember this, or am I completely out of my mind?
Looking at the board and my moto data book says no serial devices (6850
or the like).
Allison
Im not rich, Don't have one. Do I want one? Help me out here? what is it?
----------
> From: Kevan Heydon <kevan(a)motiv.co.uk>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Sage IV...
> Date: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 11:08 AM
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have just recieved this email offering me a Sage IV. I am not
> interested as I already have one so the cost of shipping to here in the
> UK isn't worth it. So if someone wants it contact him directly.
>
> Kevan
>
> ------- Forwarded Message
>
> To: collector(a)heydon.org
> Subject: sage IV
>
> Hello, I own a Sage IV computer and have some word processing software
> and spreadsheet software for the computer. I also own two amber
> monitors for the Sage IV. If you are interested in purchasing these, or
> know a source in the United States that is interested in this computer
> equipment, please leave me a note on the web, or at CompuServe 76627,224
> Jim Krasno (my wife is Nancy Nelson)
> Jim
>
> ------- End of Forwarded Message
>
>
>
>
Hi,
I should qualify myself as comming from when personal computer meant you
owned a computer be it a minuteman-1 missle guidence computer(all
transistor), mark-8 or a PDP-8!
The TI99/4a was 81 technology and should be compared to that not a P1000000!
This seems to occur often.
It compared to the PCjr with the chicklet keyboard or COCO1 with same at
a time when the osborne-1 totable was new and neat. Apple/III had bombed on
the market.
It compared to z80 based system at 4mhz and a few emerging at 6mhz or the
other non-IBM-PC 8088/6 based s100 systems. There were even 68000 based
system but 8mhz were fast ones.
It was color! At a time when that capability was uncommon.
It didn't require an engineer to hook it up or make it do
something/anything. At that time S100 systems, apples, and the like were
rarely packaged systems. The trs80 and others started something with ready
to run boxes that were also slow and cranky.
Can I say it better as...back then a lot of things were starting to shake
out, emerge and outright happen. The TI99/4a was one of those and it was
far cheaper than a PC even at it introduction price. 1980 to 1984 was an
interesting time. Who knows, if IBM and intel didn't hook up we could be
running unix on a fifth generation z8000.
Allison
> I have a question for you folks. I have a basic TI 99/4a.... that's it. N
> cables, no peripherals, no nothing with it. I am wanting to get this
Minimally you need the power brick that was 18Vac and 8.5vac, and also the
video cable that took compossite color to channel 3/4 or the other that
allowed direct hookup to the TI color monitor.
FYI sams photofact had a print set for the machine and it was set CC2,
TI99/4a model PHC004a. There was also a 66 page technical manual from TI
on the console and expansion box.
Allison
Actually the Tandy 600 was a 1989 concoction. It looks like an early
Toshiba laptop, with flip-up narrow LCD display. It has Multiplan, a
subset of MS Word, a built-in modem, 360K 3.5" drive, 80x16 display, and
sold for $999. I passed up one of these at a swap meet a few weeks ago.
Kai
> ----------
> From: Marvin[SMTP:marvin@rain.org]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 10:21 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Tandy 600
>
> In checking through the master computer lists, I found a Tandy 600
> computer that is not listed. In checking through the docs, I can't
> find
> any reference to what the CPU is and I would prefer not to take it
> apart
> to find out:). Anyone know what CPU it uses? The manual was
> copyright
> 1985 but I don't know when the machine was actually released although
> I
> would *assume* 1985. It operates with MS-DOS style files and with all
> software residing in ROM. It appears that the basic machine comes
> with
> 32K of RAM expandable to 128K or 224K with special 96K upgrade kits.
> It
> is classified as a "lap-size" or "handheld" computer; this with the
> dimensions being 11 1/2" x 12 1/2" x 2 1/2" and weighing about 9 1/2
> pounds. It comes with a 16 line x 80 character LCD screen, 3 1/2"
> drive
> and a build-in modem. Built in software includes MS Works V1.2 with
> Word, Calendar, File, Telecom, and Multiplan.
>
This is a reminder for those in the San Francisco Bay area that
on June 14 in Mountain View, there will be an junk/electronics sale.
The location will be at Haltek (1062 Linda Vista Ave (Shoreline exit off
101)). I believe that this sale will have stuff from 7 different stores.
The sale should run from 9am to 3pm. The stores participating are:
Alltronics
Campbell Techinical
Excess Solutions
Halted Specialities
Haltek
Test Labs
Weirdstuff
Directions:
Take Highway 101 to Shoreline Blvd. West
Turn Left on Terra Bella
Turn left on Linda vista.
Haltek is at the end of the road on the left.
There will likely be a small get together (two people so far). Anyone who
is interested in the get together let me know. There is a pretty good
(if slightly expensive) Mexican food place nearby. Within a few miles
>from Haltek just about any kind of food can be found.
I'm not associated with any of the participants, I just a customer.
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> RS published a technical manual for the color computer; I have a copy of i
> somewhere. HOWEVER I found there's an app note from Motorola with schemati
> that almost exactly match those in the RS technical manual. I don't recal
> whether it was a 6809 app note or a 6847 app note though. If you can find
> set of old Motorola data books you may be able to find it.
Since I have three distinctly different generation boards I suspect the moto
prints would hold to the oldest.
Allison
Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Doug Spence said:
>...and a BIZARRE
>piece of IBM equipment: an external 5-1/4" floppy drive, model 4869.
Actually, if one worked in an IBM shop, they were quite commonplace...
especially when the PS/2's came out. The PS/2's had *no* way to hook an
internal 5.25" floppy (due to size of case... and IBM's wanting to create a
new standard...) so you had to go external if you wanted/needed to share
data with other machines with 5.25" drives.
>Now, on the subject of that weirdo IBM 4869 disk drive... what does this
>plug into? The guy I bought it from said it was for an old PC. It has a
>37-pin connector on the end of its cable. It's LARGER in two dimensions
>than even a Commodore 1541 drive. Its power switch is very high quality.
>:) Would this be a 160K drive? I haven't ripped it apart (yet) to see
>how many heads the thing has.
The size of the drive is mainly because of the PS & case (the case is
*very* well RFI shielded)... the drive itself is a standard 1/2 height 360K
40TKDSDD 48TPI drive, with a standard 34-pin edge connector. I have one
sitting on my desk at home, modified to use a standard cable (read: hole
cut with dremel tool in top of case to fit cable) so I can use it with
either my PC or with my Tandy CoCo3. *Very* nice drive. Trying to find a
few more, so I can floppyize my CoCo2 and CoCo1.
If you (or anyone) needs more info on this drive, lemme know. But I can
tell you, that just taking it apart is *fun*, if you have 3-4 hours to get
it apart and back together. I've had mine disassembled 3-4 times now, to
figure where to cut holes & stuff for my cable mods.
Enjoy!
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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I have one of these and I believe it is based on the Intel 8086.
Bob
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From: Marvin
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 1:21 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Tandy 600
In checking through the master computer lists, I found a Tandy 600
computer that is not listed. In checking through the docs, I can't find
any reference to what the CPU is and I would prefer not to take it apart
to find out:). Anyone know what CPU it uses? The manual was copyright
1985 but I don't know when the machine was actually released although I
would *assume* 1985. It operates with MS-DOS style files and with all
software residing in ROM. It appears that the basic machine comes with
32K of RAM expandable to 128K or 224K with special 96K upgrade kits. It
is classified as a "lap-size" or "handheld" computer; this with the
dimensions being 11 1/2" x 12 1/2" x 2 1/2" and weighing about 9 1/2
pounds. It comes with a 16 line x 80 character LCD screen, 3 1/2" drive
and a build-in modem. Built in software includes MS Works V1.2 with
Word, Calendar, File, Telecom, and Multiplan.
Subject: Re: Seattle Computer CPU Module
> The 8080 is a 40-pin package. The Z-80 is a 48-pin package. If I
> remember correctly (my life in computers started with the Z-80, really,
Whn I got up off the floor laughing... The z80, 8085, 8080 are all 40 pin
packages and the z80 in any varient was never in a 48 pin package. The z180
aka 64180 was a 64 pin package or 68pin plcc.
> since my friend with the Altair when I was in the USAF didn't let me at
> the hardware, he knew my [inclined to injure myself] soldering skills).
> This generally means that an adapter was needed to plug a Z-80 into a
> board designed for a 8080. But I started my real computer career when
Not true. there were z80 based boards to replace the 8080 board. For a
while due to costs there where boards that carried z80s that would plug into
an 8080 socket to upgrade the machine to z80 perfomance...
> computers showed up where you didn't have to count the pins on the CPU,
> specifically the TRS-80 (later renamed the Model One). I remember the
> first time I looked down into a Model 16 and saw the MC68000 and wondered
> why the hell that thing wasn't climbing up the side of the Empire State
> Building.
What you missed was the ti9900 chip that was 3 years older and also 64 pins.
FYI the ti9900 chips was a 16bit cpu!
Allison
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Hi all,
I have just recieved this email offering me a Sage IV. I am not
interested as I already have one so the cost of shipping to here in the
UK isn't worth it. So if someone wants it contact him directly.
Kevan
------- Forwarded Message
To: collector(a)heydon.org
Subject: sage IV
Hello, I own a Sage IV computer and have some word processing software
and spreadsheet software for the computer. I also own two amber
monitors for the Sage IV. If you are interested in purchasing these, or
know a source in the United States that is interested in this computer
equipment, please leave me a note on the web, or at CompuServe 76627,224
Jim Krasno (my wife is Nancy Nelson)
Jim
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At 07:23 PM 6/9/97 -0700, Jeff wrote:
>written specifically for the Bit-3 or not? Also, could someone tell me
>the power requirements for an Atari 850 interface, as I also picked up
>one of those but it didn't have the PSU. Thanks.
>
> Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com
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>Collector of Classic Computers: Amiga 1000, Apple II+, Atari 800,
>800XL, MegaST-2, XE System, Coleco Adam, Commodore 128D, 16, Plus/4,
>VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive,
>Radofin Aquarius, TI-99/4A, Sinclair ZX-81, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80
>Color Computer 3, Model 4, and Model 4P. Also Odyssey2, Atari SuperPong
>and Atari 2600VCS game consoles
>
I have been using the same power supply for my 850 as my 800. Come to think
of it, just about everything I have hooked to my atari is using the exact
same power supplies, except for the 1027 printer which has a different sized
connector. I will double check the 850 manual when I get home, but I know I
just grabbed a regular old atari 800 power supply and started using it. If
it turns out to be different, I will post the requirements.
Isaac Davis
idavis(a)comland.com
indavis(a)juno.com
Although I currently have a decent QBUS-to-SCSI adapter (Sigma Information
Systems model RQD11), it does not appear to be capable of handling, or
booting from, a CD-ROM drive with its current revision of firmware.
Despite this, it does appear to work quite well (recognized by the
MicroVAX it's plugged into, sees devices on the SCSI bus). Since I need to
boot from CD, though, the board is of little use to me in its current state.
Anyone on here interested in maybe trading me an Emulex or Dilog SCSI card
for this one? I do have the original manual (and if you think that was easy
to find...) ;-)
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"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
> Personally, my opinion of the TI-99/4a varies from stupid piece of shit
> to semi-decent machine. Today I feel like stupid piece of shit. It was
> almost completely closed, it's BASIC sucked and was slow, it's keyboard
I have two of the beasts and a expansion box with floppy, ram, aftermarket
ram and rs232 and ever the little talker thing and a box of games.
It is slow. The manuals for the cpu and expansion were available, I got
them. It's a compilation of the things you can do to a good cpu to make it
run slow and try to do everything.
> but then, I came from the world of Apple ][, to which nothing could
> compare (uh oh, here come the holy wars).
It's attraction? One it was cheaper than an apple with disks! When TI had
the great sell off the console was $50, expansion $50, and modules $25-100.
That made it appealingly cheap for what it was. I got my during the fire
sale so they have been with me since new and work great. Parsec is still
a favorite game. Since I have the editor, assember and other packages
I also use it for assembly of TI9900 code for the technico board.
An aside: The ti994a was an attempt at the time of emerging PCs to deliver
the home computing applance. Everyone had an idea and generally the all
were poor. Even the original PC was really bad, mostly closed design. They
were all noteable as it told marketers what would fly and what had to be
there. Amusingly the ti has what every P5 box has today, graphics, sound,
games so they weren't that far off <in a perverse sort of way>.
Allison
Greetings!
I will be going to the US next week and would naturally like to take the
chance to find some classic stuff. It presently looks like I will be
moving around the states Minnesota, South Dakota and North Dakota.
Unfortunately, airline baggage regulations will not allow me to purchase
any considerable amounts of hardware, so I will be mostly interested in
software.
Does anyone have any information about shops or other places in those
states where I may purchase classic software (or hardware)? I mostly
collect Commodore, but anything is of potential interest.
/Fredrik
I picked up a Commodore 64 a while ago that had this special board
inside. It was inserted between the keyboard and the motherboard. IE.
it had a connector that plugged into the keyboard rolex connector on the
motherboard and then the keyboard ribbon cable plugged into it. Then it
had a 9-pin male D-type connector than came out the back of the C64. My
guess is that it was for a numeric keypad or something. I forgot what
was stamped on the circuit board. Any ideas?
Sam
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I would really like to get old Windows and Turbo Prolog, but
I can not go there to pick them up. Is it impossible to send them to me?
Of course I will pay for shipping and every thing.
Thank you,
Yujin Nagasawa
Of course, Sam and others have taken to talking about the Mattel Aquarius
lately, but I've never seen a mention of the Radofin version, which other than
the lack of 'Mattel' logos and the change to the model number and label on the
bottom of the machine, is identical. Were many of them sold? Does anyone
else out there have one? About all I've been able to learn is that since
Radofin was the actual manufacturer of both versions, they continued to
produce it for an unknown length of time after Mattel dropped it from their
line. There's not even a mention of it on any of the Aquarius references on
the web.
Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com
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Collector of classic home computers:
Amiga 1000, Apple II+, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System,
Coleco ADAM, Commodore 128D, 16, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155,
Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osborne Executive, Radofin Aquarius,
Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color
Computer-3, Model 4, and Model 4P, plus Odyssey2, Atari Superpong
and 2600VCS game consoles.
> Does anyone know how to read/write TRS-80 Model I format diskettes with
> a PC?
>
> I have a CompatiCard II and a Copy II Option Board. I assume the Option
> Board is able to copy TRS-80 diskettes (I hope, just got it this weekend
> and haven't tried yet) but I need to actually write files. Sydex 22Disk
> appears to support only CP/M formats.
TRS-80 disks are single density, single sided, soft sector non-cpm unless
after market cpm is installed. The original disk controller was wd1771.
There is two form to trs-80 disks those from TRSDOS and those from
DiskBASIC. As far as I remember(18 years!) they were compatble with each
other. Their structure was very unlike CP/M and it used a FAT style of
directory.
Now to add to the pain, there were various mods that allowed for double
density and even two sided disk drives. If so the controller was wd1793
in the form of a piggy back card.
Knowing the controller used is important as some of the system out there
created disk formats that are completely unreadable by anything other than
a system with 1771/1793!
Allison
Howdy folks:
I am writing this to let you know... if you would like to be mailed a very
complete listing of TRS-80 hardware and software, just e-mail me with your
name and mailing address to coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu. This listing costists
of 65 pages and will be sent via 1st Class mail ASAP. If you would like it
even quicker, please send $3 to the address below to cover MOST of the
shipping charges... you would then be 'prioritized'.
I collect all types of TRS-80 hardware and software, and specialize in
games in both original diska nd tape format, as well as converted for use
with modern PC emulators. I have a HUGE collection and would like to share
this with others. I like to think I have 'nearly' every commercially sold
game (and hundreds of others) written for the TRS-80 line of computers. I
also have most applications and DOSs ... all for the Model 1,3,4 as well
as a limited supply of CoCo hardware and software. I also collect for many
other classic systems, including but not limited to: MSX, Colour Genie,
Apple ][, Apple ][e, Apple ][c, Apple ][+, Commodore 64, C-16, Vic 20,
Plus 4, Atari series, Coleco, Sincalire Spectrum, P2000, and Vectrex
systems.
All I ask for most of the software is to be compensated for my expenses
(postage, media, etc.) and have very low prices on most of my hardware as
I have accumulated a large inventory over the years and need to clear my
shelves.
I am also looking for the following items in particular:
1) YOUR classic hardware and/or software. I am always buying and trading
for those item.
2) 80-Micro, TRS-80 Microcomputing News, Computer News 80, and 80-US
Journal magazines, etc.
3) Original manuals, instruction, and game boxes concerning the TRS-80
4) Atari 800 - Atari Artist cartridge. A800LX - RX8053.
Just please remember, I am always buying, selling, and trading for these
hard to find items... even for things not on the above list. If you're
looking for something or have some things to offer... PLEASE let me know.
I simply love the TRS-80 and other classic machines and would appreciate
any help you may be able to provide in expanding my collection. I most
gladly will help you out in adding to your own classic computer or game
machine collection.
Finally, I have ALL my original disk, tape, and cartridge software... for
all systems, converted to run on their respective PC emulators!
Send me your want lists, request for a catalog, or what you have to offer:
via e-mail, United States Postal Service, or give me a call... I look
forward to hearing from you.
Best Wishes,
CORD COSLOR
//*=====================================================================++
|| Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE ||
|| (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 ||
|| Classic computer software and hardware collector ||
|| Autograph collector ||
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At 05:38 09/06/97 -0700, Greg Mast wrote:
>
> I apologize if this is a repeat question but I can't seem to find the
> previous post.
>
> What were the solutions to removing yellowing from the plastic cases? I
> bought a printer that looks terrible. Not sure what caused it so any
> suggestions helpful at this point.
>
> thanks,
>
> Greg
>
Hi Greg,
I don't know if this will help you in solving cleaning problems, but here is
my favourite:
FULCRON from AREXONS.
I do maintenance and cleaning of computer cases since 10 years (for both job
and passion), and i found it to clean jellow stains (caused by nicotine)
EVEN BETTER THAN TRIELINE (honestly I find it better than anything else for
any kind of dirt exept: paint and ink).
It seems to take away the outer layer of jellowing but is not smelling like
any petrol derived-solvent.
I don't know if you will be able to find it there (AREXONS it's a
multinational company, isn't it?), but here in Italy was introduced 3 years
ago and now you can find it in any detergent shop.
For ink and tape adhesive I use a ISOPROPILIC ALCOOL based product called
TERGITUTTO, but this time the company (Sutter) I'm shure it's Italian only,
so try to find a similar remedy in your town.
Bye
Riccardo Romagnoli.
Classic Computer Collector
Forli' - Italy
I recommend "3M General Purpose Adhesive Remover", which is inexpensive
and comes in a red and white quart-size can that will last you until
roughly the year 2020. Some hardware stores carry it, but it's most
reliably found at an auto paint supply store (check your local yellow
pages).
I once used this stuff to remove an entire vinyl top from a '68 Chevy,
so I can tell you it really does work, and does not appear to harm
either your skin or any kind of plastic. Doesn't smell very bad, and
isn't highly flammable.
In response to an earlier question, Cameo copper cleaner can be found in
most any grocery store or general goods store.
Kai
> ----------
> From: Sam Ismail[SMTP:dastar@crl.com]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 1997 10:56 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic
>
> On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Mr. Self Destruct wrote:
>
> > I've always just used those blue brillo pad thingys. They generally
> do
> > well at taking off a bunch of hard to remove stuff (tape spooge,
> stains,
> > etc.) Sometimes when I'm REALLY bored I take the keyboard apart
> (keycaps,
> > etc.) and scrub them up too. Real satisfying to see a 12 year old
> machine
> > look like new...
>
> Regarding "tape spooge" (what a great moniker, if not gross) this is
> the
> bane of my existence. I hate that shit. I went out and got some
> stuff
> called Goof Off from Home Depot which was supposed to do away with
> that
> stuff but it didn't work very well. I didn't try it on anything metal
>
> yet, but most of my problems are with people putting velcro with the
> sticky backs on plastic cases. I tried cleaning some plastic with
> tape
> spooge on it and it just melted the damn thing. Anyone have any
> ideas?
>
> Sam
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete,
> Writer, Jackass
>
Yellowing may be irreversible. I've been thinking of removing all
electronics from a case, and soaking it in dilute bleach solution
overnight.
I did find a great method for removing permanent marker from textured
plastic. Cameo copper cleaner powder works great and doesn't harm the
texture.
For other stains, I use a Scotch Brite pad of the type that says it's
safe on fiberglass.
I'd sure like to find a good method for cleaning keyboards.
Kai
> ----------
> From: Greg Mast[SMTP:gmast@polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 1997 12:10 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Cleaning Plastic
>
> I apologize if this is a repeat question but I can't seem to find the
> previous post.
>
> What were the solutions to removing yellowing from the plastic cases?
> I
> bought a printer that looks terrible. Not sure what caused it so any
> suggestions helpful at this point.
>
> thanks,
>
> Greg
>
Does anyone know how to read/write TRS-80 Model I format diskettes with
a PC?
I have a CompatiCard II and a Copy II Option Board. I assume the Option
Board is able to copy TRS-80 diskettes (I hope, just got it this weekend
and haven't tried yet) but I need to actually write files. Sydex 22Disk
appears to support only CP/M formats.
Any ideas?
thanks
Kai
Hi,
The Apple /// I picked up last weekend has one annoying flaw, and that is
a *very* loud power supply, that seems to get louder the longer the
machine is powered up.
I think this thing becomes even louder than our 1950s-era Westinghouse
refrigerator. (OK, perhaps an exaggeration, but the sound seems to
carry farther.)
There is nothing obviously functionally wrong with the computer - it boots
up fine, there's no wavering or glitching in the display, nothing to say
that something might be wrong.
Except the buzzing.
It makes me nervous.
Is this noise normal, or is it a sign that something is about to go
kablooie? And if something's wrong, is there any way of knowing which
part is about to go?
It looks like the power supply should be easy to repair, but I don't know
what I'm doing with these things. I know it's been stated here that power
supplies should be checked before powering anything up, but I don't really
know how to do that, and sometimes I'm just too impatient to see my new
toys running.
Doug Spence
ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca
At 18:08 09/06/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, George Lin wrote:
>
>> At 11:24 PM 6/1/97 -0700, you wrote:
>> ><...>
>> >> accessories including a CP/M cartridge for C64
>> >
>> >A CP/M _carthridge_? Awesome.
>>
>> I just tried it yesterday. Pretty cool. The Z80 is in the cartridge. The
>> package comes with a CP/M 2.2 diskette for 1541 and a condensed CP/M manual
>> by Commodore (copyright 1983). There is a K-Mart price tag on the original
>> box that reads $54. Not bad.
>
>This reminds me... I also have a Z80 cartridge for the C64. But it's not
>the one from Commodore. It's from a company called DATA 20 Corporation.
>
>I haven't been able to get it to work. It has what looks like a connector
>for a power supply on the back, but I didn't get the PS with it. It also
>came without any disks, though it did have a cassette in the box with it,
>which says "Use side A for Commodore 64/Use side B for VIC 20".
>
>It's a Z-80 Video Pak, that combines the Z80 processor AND an 80-column
>display adapter into one (big fat) cartridge.
>
>To quote from the box:
>
> The Z-80 Video Pak brings the convenience of an 80 column screen and
> the power of a CP/M compatible operating system to the Commodore 64.
>
> Designed to be used with a monitor, the Z-80 Video Pak lets the
> Commodore 64 owner switch to a 40 or 80 column screen in black and
> white, or back to the standard color screen. All switching is done
> through software and no cables need to be moved.
>
> The Z-80 Video Pak has its own Z-80 microprocessor and operating
> system which allows the 64 to run CP/M software formatted for the
> Commodore 1541 disk drive. A Terminal mode which brings communication
> with central data bases is included at no extra cost. The Z-80 Video
> Pak also supports the advanced screen handling features of all Video
> Pak models such as erase to the end of line, erase to end of screen,
> and dump screen to printer.
>
>
>If anyone out there knows this thing's power requirements (AAAGH! Another
>wall-wart!) and where to get CP/M disks in 1541 format, please tell. :)
>
>
>Doug Spence
>ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca
>
>Hi you lot in the USA. I have a Boxed CPM cart and Disk Commodore
Original, Anybody want it??
Emulator BBS
01284 760851
Keeping 8-Bit ALIVE
I responded to a Usenet post regarding some UCSD P-Code stuff. It turned
out the guy had a garage of other stuff that he was trying to get rid of.
Here's what I got in two carloads:
o 1 Kaypro II, 1 Kaypro 2X (dead--for parts), 1 Kaypro 4
o 1 boxed Commodore 64, 1 Commodore 128, plus a bunch of Commodore
accessories including a CP/M cartridge for C64
o 1 Osborne Executive
o 1 Compaq suitcase
o 1 Atari 520ST (dead--for parts), 1 Atari 1040ST, 1 boxed Atari Falcon030,
plus 2 Atari RGB monitors and other Atari accessories
o 1 boxed Timex Sinclair 1000
o 1 TRS-80 Model 1 with expansion interface and disk drive
o 1 Vector 4
o 2 Apple IIc's, one of them is a rare prototype
o 20 Xerox paper cartons full of original software on disks/tapes for the
above systems, manuals, out-of-print computer books, and old computer
magazines
The price? Free.
George
P.S. My back still hurts.
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ColecoVision VGS, Commodore 64, 64C, 128, plus/4, Compaq, Eagle II,
KayPro II, 4, Nintendo NES, Osborne Executive, TI 99/4A, Timex Sinclair
1000, 1500, TriGem SLT-100, TRS-80 Model I, III, 100, Color Computer 2,
Vector 4.
>On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Kai Kaltenbach wrote:
>
>> I recommend "3M General Purpose Adhesive Remover", which is inexpensive
>> and comes in a red and white quart-size can that will last you until
>> roughly the year 2020. Some hardware stores carry it, but it's most
>> reliably found at an auto paint supply store (check your local yellow
>> pages).
>>
>> In response to an earlier question, Cameo copper cleaner can be found in
>> most any grocery store or general goods store.
>
>Ok, there have been so many cleansers thrown around in the last 12 hours
>that I think its time to compile a list of these with their respective
>uses and throw it in the FAQ.
>
>Sam
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
Well you can add CRC 226 and 556,
They don't harm platics (actually they give it a nice gloss if you like
that sorta thing)
Works really well on these "permanant" paper labels.
Cheers
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| Physics and Chemistry Depts |
| Massey University |
| Palmerston North |
| New Zealand |
| |
| Ph +64 6 350-5074 Fax +64 6 354-0207 |
+------------------------------------------+
Wish I had one.
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> From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Radofin Aquarius
> Date: Monday, June 09, 1997 3:41 PM
>
> On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Jeff Hellige wrote:
>
> > Of course, Sam and others have taken to talking about the Mattel
Aquarius
> > lately, but I've never seen a mention of the Radofin version, which
other than
> > the lack of 'Mattel' logos and the change to the model number and label
on the
> > bottom of the machine, is identical. Were many of them sold? Does
anyone
> > else out there have one? About all I've been able to learn is that
since
> > Radofin was the actual manufacturer of both versions, they continued to
> > produce it for an unknown length of time after Mattel dropped it from
their
> > line. There's not even a mention of it on any of the Aquarius
references on
> > the web.
>
> I'd never even heard of it until you mentioned it to me previous. I
> would think that it's kinda rare.
>
> Sam
>
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---
> Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer,
Jackass
I have a /// for parts!
----------
> From: Doug Spence <ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Buzzing PS?
> Date: Monday, June 09, 1997 4:21 PM
>
>
> On Fri, 30 May 1997, A.R. Duell wrote:
>
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The Apple /// I picked up last weekend has one annoying flaw, and
that is
> ^^^
> > > a *very* loud power supply, that seems to get louder the longer the
> > > machine is powered up.
>
> <snip>
>
> > > Is this noise normal, or is it a sign that something is about to go
> > > kablooie? And if something's wrong, is there any way of knowing
which
> > > part is about to go?
> >
> > No it's not normal. The Apple uses a switching type supply, and there
> > shouldn't be any 60Hz waveforms anywhere after the mains
> > rectifier/smoothing cap. If it's buzzing there is a problem
>
> OK, here's a question from an electronics-know-nothing (which hopefully
> isn't in the FAQ, else I'll look like a complete idiot :) ): How do I
> tell the difference between a switching supply and a linear supply? Just
> from looking at it.
>
> I get the idea that linear supplies have honking big transformers in
them,
> and switching supplies don't.
>
> > It _may_ be nothing more than the mains filter coil (if it has one), or
it
> > may be a dried up smoothing capacitor (the 2 big ones rated at about
300V)
> > that needs replacing. You could try those first.
>
> I don't remember there being any very large capcitors. (Nothing like in
> my PET 2001, anyway... hooo boy! ;) ). I'll take another look inside to
> see if I can spot the ones you're talking about.
>
> <snip>
>
> > Apple PSUs are easy to check. The 6 way cable unplugs from the main
board,
> > and the wiring is given in the Apple ][ reference manual. Just connect
a
> > voltmeter between the +5V output and the ground wire (red and black?)
and
> > power up. I don't think you need a dummy load. If you don't get 5V when
> > you power up, you need to sort out that PSU.
>
> Well, the ][ and /// use different connectors, but I noticed that the
> ///'s supply has info on the PCB.
>
> The supply works, BTW. As I mentioned, the system powers up and runs as
> if nothing were wrong. The noise the power supply makes just makes me
> nervous.
>
> > --
> > -tony
> > ard12(a)eng.cam.ac.uk
> > The gates in my computer are AND,OR and NOT, not Bill
>
> Doug Spence
> ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca
> Bill mentions sticking a keyboard in a dishwasher. Bill, I assume you've
> done this, and it's OK? I would think that with the heat of drying and
> all it would kill the components.
Over the years I've done this to de-crud boards, keyboards and equipment
dropped in salt water.
Water generally will not harm electronics save for stuff made of paper liek
speakers. The real problem is insuring it is completely dry after cleaning.
A warm, under 180F oven works for this. Removing keycaps and the like first
is a good thing. Also some keyboards by their contruction will trap water
if it gets in and baking it out is the only way short of sometimes
destructive disassembly. FYI, water gets coffee out the best if there ie a
small amout of soap to break surface tension. Try to use soaps that are not
chemically active and corrosion forming. Woolite is good in the sink for
this and most dishwasher soaps are ok.
Logic boards like DEC modules, motherboards and the like clean well in the
dishwasher.
I've done boards in the sink with a soft bristle brush and woolite and dried
them by blotting with several paper towels and oven dry. The sometimes look
better than new. Remember (not a joke!) Rinse well when doing this.
FYI: resist the temptation to vacuum as the moving air can cause static
charges that can do subtle and long term damage to ICs, even ttl.
Dishwasing is actually safer.
Allison
> > > DEC KBD01 - a true whatsit - 8085 based, in one of the LSI-11/2 deskto
> > > boxes, RS-232 (maybe) and another D connector on back. Any clues? I
> > > no clue. (I purchased this as well)
> >
> > IF the box is a BDV11VA (or that size 13x12x4.5) it's a remote diagnosti
> > port. Plugs in to the console port and does a modem link for remote use.
>
> For VAXen with that Remote Diagnostic Module?
For late PDP-11s/vax11s and it plugged into the console port and subbed for
same. By doing that all boot console functions were available even if the
system was otherwise down. Not all PDPs supported this. An old item.
Allison
I've found that instead of bug and tar remover, I use charcoal starter.
Originally I used this on my car, at .79cents vs 3.bucks. Works well on
machines too. To remove stenciling on computers I use fingernail polish
remover, BUT DON'T get it on printed LOGOS!
Bill
----------
> From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic
> Date: Monday, June 09, 1997 2:25 PM
>
> > Regarding "tape spooge" (what a great moniker, if not gross) this is
the
> > bane of my existence. I hate that shit. I went out and got some stuff
> > called Goof Off from Home Depot which was supposed to do away with that
> > stuff but it didn't work very well. I didn't try it on anything metal
> > yet, but most of my problems are with people putting velcro with the
> > sticky backs on plastic cases. I tried cleaning some plastic with tape
> > spooge on it and it just melted the damn thing. Anyone have any ideas?
>
> I've got a bottle of stuff labeled "Bug and Tar remover" that seems to
> work just fine for me. I bought it several years ago, and it's
> chock-full of all sorts of hydrocarbons and ketones. If environmental
> regulations haven't completely banned the sale of this stuff, I'd
> expect you can still find it in automotive stores.
>
> Many of the fluorocarbon-based cleaners did a better job on sticker
> residue, but these are all but impossible to get anymore.
>
> Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)
Last fall I was given the remains of something(?) from a local
municipal office. It has been in my garage all winter, and since our
Canadian weather has finally warmed up a bit, I went out to have a look. The
only identification that I can reach is on the two drives which are a few
hundred pounds each and are Century Data Systems Model T80 A's.
Can anyone tell me anything about them?
There is also another rack about the same size, but it is buried in
other junk and is not accessable.
The deal also included a Calcomp 1041 plotter which runs the test
plot, but doesn't want to talk to my Windows 95/486.
Regards
Charlie Fox
At 11:43 PM 6/8/97 +0100, you wrote:
>>This weekend was pretty quiet, though I did pick up a couple
>>ColecoVision cartridges, including 'Turbo' with the 'Expansion Module
I managed to pick up an "HP Touch Accessory" (a touch screen add-on) new in
the box and (though it's not really a computer) an Interactive Network
console also in the box.
I'm happy to find this list too!
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sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
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San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
> I have a bit of DEC stuff including a Minc (I think that is the correct
> spelling) that I have no idea what it was used for, a couple of 11/23s,
Labratory computer designed for easy interface to programable instruments
and other experiments.
Allison
On Fri, 6 Jun 1997 Marvin Johnston wrote :
> Wow, I think I am beginning to like this listserver!
Only just beginning ;-)
> It has an LCD screen with a decent keyboard on it.
So far so good...
> The size is approximately 12" wide x 8"
> deep x 5" high and the LCD screen folds up typical of a portable.
> It has a couple of standard bus size cards (one is missing) but uses
> the header type connector (2 x 50?) instead of the gold fingers to
> plug into the backplane.
Nope, not a Gavilan which was was only a couple of inches tall and had
no internal slots (for cards at least).
> If this is a Gavilan, are docs, schematics, and parts still available?
I doubt it, there used to be quite an active Gavilan group in Silicon
Valley
many years ago and if anyone has need I can try and dredge up some long
forgotten names...
Hans B Pufal
I saw an Olivetti XP 1050/SP that I passed up the other day cuz it looked
like a common PC clone type dealy. Anyone have any information on this?
Sam
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Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
Here's another one. Hope someone finds a use for this...
Sam
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Newgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: (fwd) Take my PET, please!
Ok, forgive the corny subject line...
I have a C=PET 4016 here that is in a serious state of disrepair. When I got
it, it wasn't working and I tried to fix it up to no avail. In it's current
state, it's little more than a big metal & plastic paperweight to me. I'm
GIVING IT AWAY (You pay S&H) to anyone on one condition: That you try to fix
'er up or use the parts to fix another commodore computer. I don't want to
see this go to the dumpster, folks. It deserves better.
I'm even willing to throw in a few C64 disks for taking it away :)
If interested, respond via email - dross4(a)niu.edu
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>My story mirrors yours. I, too, learned on the Aquarius, and I loved
>it. I then moved on to the Apple ][+. I have few regrets in my life,
>but of the more nerdy ones, I regret ever selling my Aquarius to finance
>the purchase of my Apple ][+. I had all the peripherals for it
>(including the thermal printer and datasette, and of course the expansion
>module with controllers and a 4K RAM carthridge).
I didn't have quite as much for it, probably. I had the mini-expander
with controls, and four cassettes, which I think were D&D Treasures of
Tarmin, Utopia, Night Stalker, and Biorhythms. I got Chess later as a
gift. I didn't have the "official" data recorder, but I got a regular
tape recorder to work once in a while for storage. I remember writing
programs for it. I remember also typing in that what-seemed-so-long
"Digital Clock" program from the manual. I left out all the REM
statements because they were "optional," I thought from my programming
experience and what the manual said. I didn't realize that all the
branching statements went to those REM's. Eventually, I got it to
work, and I thought it was really neat. I was easily entertained at
age seven. When my parents' friends came over, their two kids and I
had Utopia tournaments. Often, they got very mean, and we'd end up
fighting because "you broke the agreement about not sinking my fishing
boat," and one of us would retaliate by putting rebels on the other's
island with all our money until the game got pointless because no one
had anything left.
I may still have the price list around somewhere - I know I had it a
long time after buying anything would have been an option, but I don't
know if it got thrown out or not. I bugged my parents about getting me
a printer for it, but they never did, and I didn't have any money of
my own (I was only between about six and eight).
In my original list of computers, I forgot my Atari 2600, possibly
because I didn't consider it a computer, but rather a video game
machine. (Wasn't there a keyboard setup of some sort that you could
get for it? I could be wrong about that.) I still have that at home,
too. I don't remember all the games I had for it. I remember being
really mad that the "Indy 500" "driving controls" wouldn't work as
paddles with Warlords, and I never got the real paddle controls. I
think we took Warlords back to the store. (I could, again, be mistaken
about all these titles...)
>Ahhhh, I miss those days.
I hear ya!
--
Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu
http://www.wartburg.edu/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html
My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College
as a whole.
I'f I remember correctly there was a "Keypad" that allowed you to enter
BASIC code and a BASIC language cartridge. Seems I found the cartridge at
a garage sale and used to have one, but could never find a working keypad.
I have now abandoned the 2600 years ago in an attempt to get rid of some
the toys I never "play" with anymore. I find myself re-buying many of the
things i've sold. So my new rule is , unless I have two, I sell nothing.
Bill
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> From: Andy Brobston <BROBSTONA(a)wartburg.edu>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Introduction
> Date: Sunday, June 08, 1997 9:03 PM
>
> >My story mirrors yours. I, too, learned on the Aquarius, and I loved
> >it. I then moved on to the Apple ][+. I have few regrets in my life,
> >but of the more nerdy ones, I regret ever selling my Aquarius to finance
> >the purchase of my Apple ][+. I had all the peripherals for it
> >(including the thermal printer and datasette, and of course the
expansion
> >module with controllers and a 4K RAM carthridge).
>
> I didn't have quite as much for it, probably. I had the mini-expander
> with controls, and four cassettes, which I think were D&D Treasures of
> Tarmin, Utopia, Night Stalker, and Biorhythms. I got Chess later as a
> gift. I didn't have the "official" data recorder, but I got a regular
> tape recorder to work once in a while for storage. I remember writing
> programs for it. I remember also typing in that what-seemed-so-long
> "Digital Clock" program from the manual. I left out all the REM
> statements because they were "optional," I thought from my programming
> experience and what the manual said. I didn't realize that all the
> branching statements went to those REM's. Eventually, I got it to
> work, and I thought it was really neat. I was easily entertained at
> age seven. When my parents' friends came over, their two kids and I
> had Utopia tournaments. Often, they got very mean, and we'd end up
> fighting because "you broke the agreement about not sinking my fishing
> boat," and one of us would retaliate by putting rebels on the other's
> island with all our money until the game got pointless because no one
> had anything left.
>
> I may still have the price list around somewhere - I know I had it a
> long time after buying anything would have been an option, but I don't
> know if it got thrown out or not. I bugged my parents about getting me
> a printer for it, but they never did, and I didn't have any money of
> my own (I was only between about six and eight).
>
> In my original list of computers, I forgot my Atari 2600, possibly
> because I didn't consider it a computer, but rather a video game
> machine. (Wasn't there a keyboard setup of some sort that you could
> get for it? I could be wrong about that.) I still have that at home,
> too. I don't remember all the games I had for it. I remember being
> really mad that the "Indy 500" "driving controls" wouldn't work as
> paddles with Warlords, and I never got the real paddle controls. I
> think we took Warlords back to the store. (I could, again, be mistaken
> about all these titles...)
>
> >Ahhhh, I miss those days.
>
> I hear ya!
> --
> Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu
> http://www.wartburg.edu/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html
> My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College
> as a whole.
> Yes, I've since seen the guts of a TI-99/4A. I ignored it for many years
> since the time I first played with a TI-99/4 at the computer store in Las
> Vegas, wrote a BASIC loop to count to a hundred and got there first
> counting out loud. I've been shown since that the machine was reasonably
> fast, as long as you avoided BASIC, but that was the only tool at the
Basic was slow. But since I'd had the technico board for a few years before
the TI99 I'd been into assembler. The TI9900 cpu is a bit slow as it was
very memory intensive (registers AKA workspace was an allocated block of
ram). IT was a real computer archetecture compared to the 8080. When
compared to z80 at 2.5mhz or faster it was slower. But that was the spped
they could get out of silicon and the ti99 tried to cost reduce it by
narrowing the bus slowing it further. Still in many other ways it was a
more sophisticated cpu with memory banking when that was rarely heard of.
Allison
I was watching this program on cable called the Computer Bowl or
something hosted by Ziff-Davis publishing where they had two teams of
nerds answering computer and computer industry related questions. One of
the questions was:
What was the serial number on the first Apple ][ computer?
Answer tomorrow.
Sam
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Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
I'm fairly new to the list, so I'd like to introduce myself (and my
computers).
I am typing this message right now on an Apple IIGS. I've worked
with most of the older Apple II series computers also. I still
actively use my Apple IIGS for nearly every task that most people
think requires a "new" computer.
My first computer, on which I learned a *lot* about programming, was
the Mattel Aquarius, which I still own. I've been looking off and on
for information about it. The FAQ is nice, but I know of at least one
possible inaccuracy: the "Chess" game was released, I'm reasonably
sure, because I have it. The computer's not too bad of a player,
either, if I remember (it's been *years* since I've used the machine -
I'm living at college right now, and the Aquarius is at home).
I know now that a lot of people didn't like the Aquarius. I thought it
was a really neat machine. I probably learned more from it that from
any other single learning tool I've ever had, with the *possible*
exception of my IIGS.
I'm looking forward to hearing about anyone else's experiences with
the Aquarius (or even the IIGS, though info about that is still
plentiful on comp.sys.apple2).
--
Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu
http://www.wartburg.edu/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html
My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College
as a whole.
At 08:53 AM 6/6/97 -0700, you wrote:
>One of the things on my wish list is a digital camera so I can easily
>digitize photos of stuff like this.
I have been trying to decide the best way to get images into digital form.
Naturally, a digital camera is one way, but not the only. There's also the
photo/scanner method, camcorder/video capture, and probably others. As I
see it, the pros/cons are:
DigCam: + Easy to use, convenient
- Expensive to buy, somewhat limited capacity,
no hard copy of images (except printer output)
Photo/Scanner: + Hard Copy, can be used for other stuff too
- Film and Developing can be expensive, takes time
Camcorder: + Easy to use, Allows for selecting the right image
from several views
- Video capture hardware/software isn't cheap
So, does anyone have thoughts on which is best? I'd like a scanner for
other things, but they're expensive too. There's also the question of 35mm
vs. polaroid and type of scanner. (Not to mention where the heck would I
put it!) I've got a camcorder and my girlfriend's mac supposedly can do
video capture as is, but I've got to find software and figure it out.
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sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
> There are also 'classic' CCD cameras. There was a thing made by
> 'Datacopy' that had a linear CCD that was mechanically scanned
> across the frame (motor + leadscrew). There was certainly a PERQ
> interface for this (made by GHS/Audre' in Canada), and I guess
> others as well.
>
> These solutions sound a lot more fun than a modern PC-based system.
Yes :-)
I remember the PCWs we used to have at school. They had small scanning
devices that replaced the print head on the printer. The computer
would make the printer scan the entire sheet of paper, line by line,
and in this way it built up the image...
Not the fastest of scanners, but fun to watch it go!
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Hello,
I'm Allison and I've been invloved with microcomputer since the introduction
of the MCS8 (8008) and computers in general since the PDP-8.
On site I have... they are all operational:
DEC made:
VT180 (cpm/zcpr)
PDP-11/23 (RT-11 os)
PDP-11/23+ (RT-11 os)
PDP11/73 (RSTS or RT-11 os)
PDT-11/130 (RT-11)
MicroVAX2000 (Currently VMS5.4 later netbsd)
MicrovaxII/gps (Currently VMS5.4 later netbsd)
CPM and S100 systems:
Northstar* s100 z80 (CP/M/zcpr, 40 meg hard disk)
S100 (vector chasis) computime z80 and misc s100 cards (cpm/zcpr)
SB180 (CPM2.2/zcpr 3.5" floppies and 20meg hard disk)
Ampro Little board (CP/m/ZCPR 3.5" floppies and 42meg hard disk)
Explorer85 8085 (NS*dos cpm1.4)
Epson PX8 geneva with 120k ramdisk and 64k ramdisk/300baud modem wedges
(runs cpm from rom)
Kaypro 4/84 (turborom and CPM)
MITS Altair 8800 (I built this one in late 74, one of the early units)
Misc Single board computers (demo boards)
Intersil 6960 mdemo board, 6100 chip 12bit PDP-8 on a chip
National Semi ISP8a500 low cost 8 bit cpu.
Technico Inc board using texas instruments TI9900 chip 16 bit
(also have a TI99/4A with w/expansion box and software)
Motorola 6800D2 board
National Semi Nibblebasic chip (CPU with rom basic on a chip)
Original cosmac elf. RCA1802
IMSI IMP48 8035 cpu
NEC TK80 8080 demo board.
PCs
Leading edge model D 8088 (dos)
(several other PCs far too new (less than 10 years).
Plus parts (8080s, 8085, 8088, peripheral chips, rams...)
CPU chips 8080, 8085, 8086, 8088, 80188, 80186, 808286, z80s,
6800s, 6502, 1802, 6100, 6120(pdp8), 8748, 8035,
8749, 8039, 8751, 8031, T11chip (pdp11 on a chip),
NECd78pg11, NEC d7800
Allison
In the interests of getting an old DEC PDP-11 running, I've got an STC
9-track tape drive here, a model 2921. This is, apparently, one of the rare
few that StorageTek (aka, STC/Telex) manufactured with a Pertec interface
vs. their own.
Based on conversations with a company that still maintains these old
beasts, it appears that the CPU card has gone bad. I'd like to at least try
and confirm this by swapping said card with a known-good one.
So... anyone own a 2921 that they don't mind it being used as a guinea
pig? ;-)
Thanks in advance.
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(Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net)
http://www.wizards.net/technoid
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
At 08:47 PM 5/21/97 -0400, William Donzelli wrote:
>And of course, grab hold of every spare chip available off of donor machines.
>
>William Donzelli
>william(a)ans.net
>
I have found what seems to be a decent supply of eproms. I was looking at
an old 2400 baud fax modem for my pc, and noticed that it had what looked
like an eprom on it. I pulled the chip and peeled off the label, and it was
a 27256 eprom. I also bought a 2400 baud modem at a thrift store for $2.00
and it had a 27128 eprom in it. This was cheaper than buying the eprom by
itself. I paid $3.00 for a 2764, and didn't even price a 27128. I am going
to start picking up all of the old cheap, almost worthless modems and
grabbing the eproms out of them. You can probably pick up the modem for
less than the price of the eprom that it holds. If anyone else knows of a
cheap source of eproms or other chips, share it with us.
Isaac Davis
idavis(a)comland.com
indavis(a)juno.com
> > The module was a "upgrade product for those wating a 8088 and having onl
> > z80 cpu. By unplugging the z80 and putting in the card you could run 16
>
> Does this mean it would work in place of any 8080 CPU? Any idea what
> the 8 pin header on the component side of the board was used for? This
> is interesting since these past comments are the first I have heard
> about the module!
No. first it was not an 8080 replacement. Though it may have subbed for
8085 as they were very similar. Two the system had to be configured to run
8088 code(wich is not 8080 or z80 compatable.
I had done this to an 8085 system as the signals from the 8088 are the 8085
are very close.
The extra plug was likely the remaining 4 address lines (16 bit vs 20 bit
addressing).
If I had one I could trace it out and regenerate the schematic.
Allison
In a message dated 97-06-08 03:18:29 EDT, you write:
<< The 8080 is a 40-pin package. The Z-80 is a 48-pin package. If I
remember correctly (my life in computers started with the Z-80, really, >>
no. the z-80 is a 40-pin package. i got bunches.
Kelly
> > This info was obtained second hand from a guy I bought a bunch of
> > SCP stuff from. Apparently a one-time friend of his work for them.
> > Thus - this could be wrong. SCP made at least six models of computer
> > the first being Z80 machines which ran CP/M, the next few being 8086
> > based which ran CPM-86 or SCP-DOS (which I'm pretty sure is MS-DOS
> > 1.0 or the immediate prdecessor purchased by MS). The last were 8088
>
> I never knew they called it SCP-DOS. All I ever heard it called was
> "QDOS" -- Quick & Dirty Operating System, basically a crude CP/M clone.
> --
> Ward Griffiths
> "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within
> the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." --Claire Wolfe
>
Hi,
New here but here goes...
The module was a "upgrade product for those wating a 8088 and having only
z80 cpu. By unplugging the z80 and putting in the card you could run 16bit
apps.
qdos was not a clone it was and outright disassembly of CP/M80 v1.4 and
reassembly to 8086/8.
Allison
I have available several PC100B Memory Extension cards for the Rainbow
for giveaway, or for trade if you have something that interests me.
At the moment, the cards are unpopulated, but you can generally find
256Kbit chips to fill the board for about a $1 junk PC card. (A fully
populated board has at most 3 banks of 9 256Kbit chips for a total of
768K and a system total of 896K.) I can provide a copy of the memory
configuration pamphlet.
I will give preference to anyone who has something to trade, but feel
free to ask even if you don't. If you have something to trade I will
even go out and find the $1 junk board and populate the card!
Here's what I am looking for:
1) BCC17 cable for use with a VT241 color monitor
2) Documentation for Rainbow Concurrent CP/M-86, especially programming
references.
3) Venix/Rainbow software and documentation.
Dave Jenner
djenner(a)halcyon.com
I was checking the Polymorphic Systems computers I have against
the "The Big List" and found an 8824. It is a partial chassis but
looks similar to the others except it is designed for 8" drives.
Since it is not complete, I'll have to check in the Engineering
stuff to see if there is a description of it. I also found a
chassis model 88DS. It doesn't match with the number in "The Big
List" so I'll check further into that.
Regarding the others, from the "System 88 User's Manual",
copyright 1979.
1.1 SYSTEM 88 MODELS
The System 88 product line consists of the System 8813,
available with up to 3 mini-floppy drives; the System 8810
with one mini-floppy drive, and the 88/MS add-on with 2 large
floppy drives.
The 8813 and 8810 models are available with optional
double-sided, double density, mini-floppy disk drives. The
88/MS, an add-on storage for the 8813, is available with either
double or single-sided, double density large floppy disk
drives.
Hello,
I have been doing some image transfer in the last few months. I bought a Color
QuickCam for about $150. The resolution isn't that great but it is easy to use. I
also bought a scanner last month through Onsale for $139 + $20 shipping. It came
with Photoshop LE which I could sell (I already have Photoshop) for $30. Anyway
that brings the cost for a color flatbed (300 x 600) scanner down to $129. It
will scan photos with incredible resolution. Photo developing is $6-$10 per roll
though.
I've never used the camcorder method but I can't imagine it'll be any better than
the QuickCam. I did buy a TV card for the PC (I'm still putting together) for $65
a while back. I think it has screen/image capture software and video inputs. If
you already have a videocamera that would be your cheapest alternative. Besides,
then you can watch Gilligans Island on your computer!
> I have been trying to decide the best way to get images into digital form.
> Naturally, a digital camera is one way, but not the only. There's also the
> photo/scanner method, camcorder/video capture, and probably others. As I
> see it, the pros/cons are:
>
> DigCam: + Easy to use, convenient
> - Expensive to buy, somewhat limited capacity,
> no hard copy of images (except printer output)
>
> Photo/Scanner: + Hard Copy, can be used for other stuff too
> - Film and Developing can be expensive, takes time
>
> Camcorder: + Easy to use, Allows for selecting the right image
> from several views
> - Video capture hardware/software isn't cheap
>
> So, does anyone have thoughts on which is best? I'd like a scanner for
> other things, but they're expensive too. There's also the question of 35mm
> vs. polaroid and type of scanner. (Not to mention where the heck would I
> put it!) I've got a camcorder and my girlfriend's mac supposedly can do
> video capture as is, but I've got to find software and figure it out.
On 6 Jun 97 at 22:26, Marvin wrote:
> Ah so, that one went right over my head, sorry about that one :). As
> far as systems I don't have, there are a LOT I am still looking for. To
> name just a few, the Aim 64, Kim, SWTP 6800 computer, Acorns (I am not
> familar with them,) and quite a few others with the main interest in the
> 70's computers. I am really impressed with "The Big List of Classic
> Computers" and it has made me much more aware of how small the
> collection really is compared to what was produced.
I have an Acorn Electron going spare, if anybody wants it. It's a
"Plus 3", I've been told - it's the standard Electron, but with an
extra expansion module added on, containing a 3.5" floppy disk drive,
some ports, and who knows what else...!
It's in Manchester, UK.
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Hi there,
Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> wrote :
> Another is a a neat portable (probably
> non-working) with nothing but the word "Chisholm" on it. It looks like
> a prototype judging by the number of mods to the circuit board. Any
> info would be much appreciated.
You are right in thinking it's a protoype.
I used to work for Gavilan Computers back in the '80s and recall us
using Chisholm as our design house. If you can describe the unit, or
better yet post a picture, I can perhaps identify it as a Gavilan.
Regards,
Hans B Pufal
I have an extra Trs-80 model 4 (64k) with 2 -floppies, Works FIne, make me
a trade offer!
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> From: Cord Coslor <coslor(a)pscosf.peru.edu>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: TRS-80 - buy,sell, and trade
> Date: Friday, June 06, 1997 12:02 PM
>
> Howdy folks:
>
> I am wondering if anyone out there on this listserve has any Radio Shack
> TRS-80 they'd like to give up... either for sale or trade. I collect a
lot
> of different things and have Apple, Commodore, Texas Instruments, Colour
> Genie, MSX, Vectrex, etc., etc... but, my true life-long love has been
the
> TRS-80 Model 1,3,4 line... and now the CoCo line of computers.
>
> I am especially looking for any old TRS-80 related magazines: especially
> 80-Micro, 80-US Journal, and TRS-80 Microcomputer News.
>
> I have been archiving software for all these machines, and especially the
> TRS-80s for about 10 years now. I do have a huge 65 page catalog of
> everything in my collection. If you'd like to see it just let me know and
> I'll ship it out. I do not have it in electronic form... only available
> through USPS.
>
> It contains all my classic computer hardware, as well as all my software
> in original disk, tape, cartridge, etc., forat, as well as already
> converted to run on modern PC emulators.
>
> If you would like to get the catalog even quicker, send me $3 to the
> address below. It actually costs me $3.24 to mail, and more to publish,
> but it sure would help me out.
>
> As far as the software that I have, I like to believe that I have
> virtually most things ever written for the TRS-80s, but I know there is a
> lot more out there. If you have some software of old disk, cassettes,
etc.
> please let me know. As always, I am enternaining expanding my hardware
> collection as well at all times. I currently have 7 TRS-80 Model 3, 2
> Model 1, 4 Model 4s, 3 Model 4ps, and several Commodore 64s, Texas
> Instruments, 1 Coco 1, 4 CoCo 2, and 1 CoCo 3.
>
> I just love collecting these things and would love to hear from others as
> to what you might have available to expand my collection... or just to
> hear what interesting things you have.
>
> Thanks a lot, and hope to hear from you soon!
>
> CORD COSLOR
>
>
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> || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308
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> || Classic computer software and hardware collector
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> || Autograph collector
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Help! My neighbor got a free computer, the Prolite from TI. Appears to be an early portable/luggable because it has a huge (at least 16" x 7" and 10lbs) battery pack, a 3.5 inch drive, a LCD display. What the heck is it? Does it run DOS and/or is it from the 80xx family?
Thanks in advance
Hello everyone, Glad to be here.
Im in Lawrence KS, an NT administrator for the Dept of Labor and have the
following machines.
Timex/Sinclair1500
"" 2050 Modem
Tandy Color/2
Trs80 Model 4, 128k
Trs80 Model 4, 64K
Apple ///
Profile HD
Apple //gs
100meg scsi drive
Apple//e
Apple//c
Apple][+
Apple Macintosh SE
Apple Macintosh Se/30
Atari 400
Atari 800XL
1050 FDD
Atari 1200Xl
1050 FDD
Commodore 64
1541 FDD (2)
IBM PC, [dual floppy}
Anything I can help with please let me know and visit my web page on my
home server. http:\\24.124.36.31
Bill G. Aka. TheDM
I've had a storage unit for years now (PETs take up wayyy too much
room in an apartment, not to mention YEARS of COMPUTE!, Commodore, Ahoy,
RUN, Etc.) The big pain about the storage unit is having to dig through
the layers of goodies to find what you are getting at. Or even worse
knowing you have a tidbit on some subject in you think one of X
magazines, and you would have to dig through issues and issues (not at
home) to find it.
I specialize in my collecting, Commodore 8-bits and just recently
Atari 8-Bits. I would have to move to even think of another brand. :/
Larry Anderson
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I have been shipping computers for a while now with no problem
whatsoever. I follow the guidelines already mentioned with a couple
twists:
Wrap the items in bubble wrap (best) or a plastic bag, anti-static is
best. This protects the surfaces and stops the styrofoam from being in
direct contact with the plastic on the machine. Keeps foam from getting
into the slots, etc. I also notice that the plastic in the cords
especially tend to bond with the foam after a while.
Popcorn in the bottom. Put the system in. Popcorn on sides and on top.
Allow for settling, compress it until it's firm. Seal it up.
If putting items on top of each other I'd put a piece of cardboard in
between along with a few inches of popcorn just in case things move.
This is for shipping. I've shipped lots of stuff packed in a single box
without a single casualty. Moving a short distance shouldn't be as much
of a big deal but if someone drops a box, you'll be glad you did it. I
didn't have any casualties when I moved last year either.
I get packing material from a couple sources. A camera shop here gets
about 5 big bags a month since all their stuff is fragile. A
manufacturer has a big cardboard recycling area where they dump boxes
and bubblewrap. If someone is near Mountain View, CA (near where I used
to live), I have a great source for tons of this stuff. Email me.
Greg
PS: I have an Apple IIc & IIe on Auctionweb that are going cheap so far.
The IIc is only at $3.25! Even cheap compared to you guy's standards.
Shipping is extra though (UPS). Auction ends tomorrow.
Apple IIC Computer (photo)
Current bid: $3.25
Auction ends on: 06/04/97, 22:48:02 PDT
http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=znb774144
Apple IIe Computer, Duo Drive, 64K (photo)
Current bid: $20.50
Auction ends on: 06/04/97, 22:54:32 PDT
http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=cjt6509