I dunno about this... but I seem to remember a mention of a sticker...
either green or orange. That, and look on the boards/chips and see what you
can find... if you have a IIe, look for things that that shold have... lets
see... check for stuff like 'prototype' or something. Or, if anyone knows
it, the IIGS's code name...
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: Apple IIgs in Apple II case?
>How would you tell a prototype from the conversion?
>
>thanks
>
>Kai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: KFergason [mailto:KFergason@aol.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 8:19 PM
>To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
>Subject: Re: Apple IIgs in Apple II case?
>
>
>
>I can verify this. We got 2 beta units to develop on, in the IIe case.
>I always wondered what happened to them.
>
>Kelly
>
>In a message dated 5/26/98 10:01:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
>photze(a)batelco.com.bh writes:
>
>> I seem to remember hearing (although I couldn't tell you where if my life
>> depended on it...) that Apple made it's earlier IIGS prototypes inside
of
>> IIe cases.
>> Ciao,
>>
>> Tim D. Hotze
>>
(mostly for Mr. Shoppa, but others may have insight)
The old RCA tape I had mentioned is in fact larger that 1/2". It looks a
bit like 3/4". It is not video tape, as the reel says "RCA Electronic Data
Processing 501". A small paper label also has "BPROG", and a date from
1964.
God only knows what is on this tape, and if it could still be read!
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net
At 06:44 PM 5/26/98 +1000, you wrote:
>I have one question , well I actually have two......
>though, what software came on cassetes?
>and what is the most common fault in the IBM full height floppy drives that
>makes them die???
I dunno about IBM PC cassette-based software, but lots of other systems
used them... (I remember Atari's Infamous christmas cassettes, including
"The Spy who came in from the Code"...
Iirc, the IBM FH floppies were belt driven... The belts slipped a lot.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, 27 May 1998 5:29
Subject: Apple IIgs in Apple II case?
>I just acquired an Apple IIgs that is in an Apple IIe style case!
>
>It's not a conversion or anything, it's original from Apple. It looks
>exactly like a IIe except for the model emblem and the back panel.
>
>Perhaps it's something Apple did for the educational market, to make it
look
>like the other machines they were used to, and incorporating a built-in
>keyboard which would be less fragile than the multi-piece regular IIgs
>series.
>
>Anybody ever heard of these?
>
>Kai
>
email: desieh(a)southcom.com.au
desieh(a)bigfoot.com
museum_curator(a)hotmail.com
Apple Lisa Web Page:
http://www.southcom.com.au/~desieh/index.htm
yes this was a official upgrade from Apple, Ive done one of these in the
past............
you could upgrade any of the older IIs to the gs.
I can verify this. We got 2 beta units to develop on, in the IIe case.
I always wondered what happened to them.
Kelly
In a message dated 5/26/98 10:01:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
photze(a)batelco.com.bh writes:
> I seem to remember hearing (although I couldn't tell you where if my life
> depended on it...) that Apple made it's earlier IIGS prototypes inside of
> IIe cases.
> Ciao,
>
> Tim D. Hotze
>
In a message dated 98-05-26 23:11:39 EDT, you write:
<< > Laser 128? It's being offered for $25 at a thrift shop w/o PSU. Lastly,
>>
if it's a regular laser128, i wouldnt bother much. however, if its a 128ex, or
ex2, get it quick! those had extra options including built in memory
expansion. ive seen a few lasers for sale, always without the power brick it
seems. i have two complete systems myself.
david
I have a little dilemma here. For one thing, I have an Apple //c. I am
being offered an Apple ][+ (I think) for free that has a Digital
Research z-80 card in it,with manual, as well as an external keyboard
kludge. There is also software. However, there is an issue with space.
Is there any way to modify the Apple //c to make it take expansion
cards? Should I just take the ][+? Also, how much should I pay for a
Laser 128? It's being offered for $25 at a thrift shop w/o PSU. Lastly,
does anyone have a Z-80 card for the //c? They were made by Applied
Engineering and were inserted into the processor socket. I have them in
an old AE catalog.
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I seem to remember hearing (although I couldn't tell you where if my life
depended on it...) that Apple made it's earlier IIGS prototypes inside of
IIe cases.
Ciao,
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: D. Peschel <dpeschel(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 4:18 AM
Subject: Re: Apple IIgs in Apple II case?
>> It's not a conversion or anything, it's original from Apple. It looks
>> exactly like a IIe except for the model emblem and the back panel.
>
>As someone already pointed out, you have an official Apple product, a //e-
>to-//gs upgrade. When we got our family //e, I had fantasies about that
>upgrade, but we never got it (and I guess VERY few other people did
either).
>
>I seem to remember the list price as around $800. $864? Something like
that.
>
>Do you have the normal //e-size monitor? That would be an advantage over
the
>stock //gs. Do you also have the same //e keyboard? Has it been converted
to
>use ADB? I always liked the feel of the //e's keyboard better than the
//gs'
>little keyboard. But if the upgrade's keyboard isn't modular like the
regular
>//gs, that would be a disadvantage in some ways.
>
>-- Derek
Seems like a cool find. Historically, all such upgrades have been 90% of
the purchase price for a new machine -- up to and including Apple's more
recent PowerMac upgrade boards, so I'm not surprised that it's rare.
If it's a mag like Byte or kilobaud, I'd love to know the issue #.
Kai
-----Original Message-----
From: SUPRDAVE [mailto:SUPRDAVE@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 7:02 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: Apple IIgs in Apple II case?
yes indeedy, apple provided an upgrade path for //e users. for $500 you got
a
new gs planar, and a sticker that replaced the lower case apple //e one with
//gs. of course, one of the caveats is you didnt get ADB and seperate
keyboard. i dont think many people upgraded due to the price. i have an old
magazine that had a writeup about the upgrade. if anyone's that interested i
can look up details or make copies. message me privately.
david
In a message dated 98-05-26 21:15:04 EDT, you write:
<< > It's not a conversion or anything, it's original from Apple. It looks
> exactly like a IIe except for the model emblem and the back panel.
As someone already pointed out, you have an official Apple product, a //e-
to-//gs upgrade. When we got our family //e, I had fantasies about that
upgrade, but we never got it (and I guess VERY few other people did
either).
I seem to remember the list price as around $800. $864? Something like
that. >>
