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what cost profit? (philosophical rant but slightly on topic)

by peacock＠simconv.com

-----Original Message----- From: George Currie [mailto:g@kurico.com] > So let me get this straight, if you had an opportunity to buy an item that is potentially worth $30000+ for only $1000 you would all pass it up? Hard to believe. Well I guess everyone else on this list is so rich that the thought of making 30x profit is nothing. Me on the other hand, even if I _hated_ Apple, wouldn't pass up such a bargain. > Not everyone is in it for the money. This is a hobby, not a business. If I were a broker sure I'd take it, but that's not what I do. I write programs, I build controllers, I don't broker used equipment. I have a slot machine in my living room (and yes its legal, I live in Nevada). I could sell it for several times what I paid for it (even more if I sell it no questions asked), but it's there because I think the internal mechanisms are a work of art. I have some old radios from the 30's, again, I could sell them for more than I have invested, but the radios are there because they are works of engineering art too, for my enjoyment. And I enjoy owning them more than what the money I would get from them would bring me. The same with the computers. I'm sure I could get a good price for my '77 vintage IMSAI, in fact I got a few email offers the first time I mentioned it, but I'm not going to sell it. I bought it to own my own computer, I learned just about all I know about digital electronics from the years prototyping on it, and it still has a prominent place on my work table at home. It's a work of art too, even more because I put it together myself, I made it work, and I've kept it going all these years without help from anyone else. I put far more money into that machine than I ever got back in business, but that doesn't matter. Every dollar I spent on it paid off in other ways, personal satisfaction, knowledge, even entertainment at times. I don't buy equipment, be it computers, radios, or slot machines, because I think I'll make money on the deal. I do other things to make a living, I'll leave investing in antiquities and object d'art to the experts. Jack Peacock

28 years, 2 months

Win98 on Compaq (and others)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-07-03 22:22:55 EDT, you write: << Anyone that's having problems putting the ever-terrible Windows 98 on your Compaq machine should view: http://www.compaq.com/athome/win98/ Keep it real, only machines that 98 could run on, not the oldies. >> harrrumph, don't feel bad, it seems like almost 100% failure rate when end users are upgrading to windont98 on IBM aptiva models as well. seems to be that there's always something that is not working correctly. so much for backwards compatibility! most users dont also know about fat32. once you convert, you cant go back and you cannot do the best thing which is remove 98 altogether! david

28 years, 2 months

DEC Bonanza! Anybody want a system??

by blindpete＠stratos.net

Hi Every One This sounds really great! I am blind and do have a love for machinery mechanical as well as eletrical, What I know about computers is self learned, I always wanted to aquire a main frame computer, so I could learn about it. I am building a small net work of my own, could I use a main frame as a hub, I know it might be a dumb question, but you don't know unless you ask, right? I ran across the garage full of computer equiptment and thought here is my chance. But, I don't know about the equiptment and am looking for imput. What do you think? Can we get me setup? I'll found a speech synthasiser screenreader for unix based systems, here again do to lack of familarity I don't know what OS these machines are using. Any impute or coments would be fine! Write to: blindpete(a)stratos.net or: blndpete(a)raex.com Again thanks! Pete Persuric Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Registered

28 years, 2 months

Win98 on Compaq

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

Anyone that's having problems putting the ever-terrible Windows 98 on your Compaq machine should view: http://www.compaq.com/athome/win98/ Keep it real, only machines that 98 could run on, not the oldies. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

28 years, 2 months

Making Profits (Was Re: LISA (fwd))

by H.Davies＠latrobe.edu.au

At 02:18 AM 03-07-98 -0700, Kevan Heydon wrote: >Saying this my collection could start making a profit soon because I have >one of my old machines out on loan to a company that is paying me. I >didn't ask for the money, they offered. I've loaned out bits of my PDP-8A via a friend to an organization that still uses them to drive some machinery (I've never asked, and no one has ever offered to tell me what they're used for - I just know that it's something in a government department. Perhaps it's being used for code breaking :-) I've never asked for money, but surprisingly, the bits always return in a box with a nice bottle (port or whisky). I feel happy to have helped and it's just a nice gesture to attach something on it's return. Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au Information Technology Services | Phone: +61 3 9479 1550 Fax: +61 3 9479 1999 La Trobe University | "If God had wanted soccer played in the Melbourne Australia 3083 | air, the sky would be painted green"

28 years, 2 months

c64 information

by CharlesII＠nwonline.net

CL>CharlesII(a)nwonline.net wrote: CL>> Do any of you folks know of any electronic recorces for teaching CL>> yourself how to program the c64? CL> Try Jim Brain's page at http://www.jbrain.com/ as there are many CL>C64/128 links there. I have a C64 BASIC 2 programming manual I never use CL>that I might sell. CL> -------------------------------------------------------------------- CL> Russ Blakeman CL> RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 CL> Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 CL> Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com CL> Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ CL> ICQ UIN #1714857 CL> AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" CL> * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* CL> -------------------------------------------------------------------- There dosen't seem to be any links at the web page mentioned. Are you shure that is the right address?

28 years, 2 months

LISA (fwd)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

OK, now so I know how much these things are worth besides how much the buyer wants to pay for it, would you people pay this much? >Respond directly to the seller, not to me, if you want his Lisa 2. If it >turns out to be a Lisa 1, don't tell me about it :-) > >-- Doug >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:27:07 +0000 >From: Rich Bull <rbull(a)post.cis.smu.edu> >Subject: LISA > >Mine has a 5 or 10 meg hard drive....Its a completed system with mouse and >keyboard and is in exceptional condition...neat little machine...If your >interested I need $200.00 and you pay shipping... > >Thanks >rbull(a)mail.smu.edu > >Richard E. Bull email: rbull(a)mail.smu.edu >Information Technology Services voice: (214)768-3450 >Southern Methodist University Fax: (214)768-9999 >Dallas, Texas 75275-0262 > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

I think I'm going to be sick

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

At 08:07 AM 7/3/98 -0400, you wrote: > >I went back to the Salvation Army store where I picked up the Wang PC last >week, and was shocked to find that ALL of the computer junk had been >replaced by shelves full of lamp shades! > <snippage) > >I asked the employees what had happened to all that 'old computer junk', >and was told that it had all been THROWN OUT LAST WEEK. :( I was assured >that it was already gone, not just sitting in a dumpster outside. Sad, but be warned... If they are anything like the ones up here, while they will usually refuse to negociate even a little bit on a price, they also will not hesitate to call the police if they find someone 'dumpster diving', since they convieniently manage to rationalize it as 'theft'. (and no, it was not me in the dumpster...) An odd lot that... Even more annoying when I heard a story on the news yesterday that the 'Goodwill' stores are a $36 million per year business! When you consider that (nearly) all of the items they are selling are donated, one might think that they could afford to be a bit less militant. -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

28 years, 2 months

Wang Thang

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 blindpete(a)stratos.net wrote: > Hi > > I used to have an old wang whith a 8086 cpu in it, it had a monotor whith > two cords coming out of it. > one was power and the other one was for the data, they both pluged into > the card whith two plugs on it. > the one I had used the round ps2 stile plug maybe a little bigger, like a > keyboard plug. Humm, sounds like the monitor plugs into the IBM Mono Emulator card, then. It has a 5-pin DIN connector and an 8-pin DIN connector. I would suspect that the one labeled with the (+) might be the power, and the one labeled with the pie slice might be the video connector. The IBM Mono Emulator card din't look like it had parts on it that could handle supplying power to a monitor, though. I hope the Wang monitor isn't too specialized, else I'll NEVER get to see this thing work! I think I'll plug another machine into it today, using a null modem, to see if the Wang expects a terminal hanging off its serial port. Pray that nothing blows up. > Pete Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca http://alcor.concordia.ca/~ds_spenc/

28 years, 2 months

LISA (fwd)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Agreed. I've not bought a new computer for over 10 years (!). The last <machine I bought was a Tandy CoCo3. Everything else (apart from my HP48SX <calculator, which came in the 'it's a neat toy that I just have to have' <category) is even older. The only machines I've purchased new are the Altair, NS* horizon and a complete TI99/4a when they were having the firesale. It's been a while since I've purchased new systems. Over the years I think the biggest purchase was memory and disks! Some of the most fun machines were free or just about that. Allison

28 years, 2 months

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