1 Jul
1998
1 Jul
'98
7:13 p.m.
OK, now so I know how much these things are worth besides how much the
buyer wants to pay for it, would you people pay this much?
Respond directly to the seller, not to me, if you want
his Lisa 2. If
it
turns out to be a Lisa 1, don't tell me about it
:-)
-- Doug
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:27:07 +0000
From: Rich Bull <rbull(a)post.cis.smu.edu>
Subject: LISA
Mine has a 5 or 10 meg hard drive....Its a completed system with mouse
and
keyboard and is in exceptional condition...neat little
machine...If
your
interested I need $200.00 and you pay shipping...
Thanks
rbull(a)mail.smu.edu
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1 Jul
1 Jul
7:24 p.m.
On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Max Eskin wrote:
OK, now so I know how much these things are worth
besides how much the
buyer wants to pay for it, would you people pay this much?
You're asking if somebody is willing to pay the asking price for a machine
which has just been announced as available to this list? If the answer is
yes, the machine will be gone. If the answer is no, it will still be
available to you.
FWIW, a Lisa 2 went for $1500 on eBay not too long ago (probably to
somebody who didn't know the difference).
-- Doug
7:38 p.m.
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8:12 p.m.
On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Seth J. Morabito wrote:
I think that $200 is approaching the very-high-end of
anything I would
go after myself.
So, if I offered you an Apple 1, one of 200 made, for $1000, you'd turn it
down?
Whenever I see a system I want, I go through several rationalization
exercises. The first is "new systems cost much more and are much less
interesting."
If that doesn't work, there's always "I haven't bought a new car in a
while, so I'll get this instead."
Then there's "if I value my time at $X/hour, and it would take me more
than Y hours to find this thing on my own, then it's worth at least $X*Y
to buy it from this guy."
For small stuff, I have a simple metric: sheer frivolous entertainment is
worth about $3/hour to me (e.g., movies: $6, magazine: $3, a good
book: $12, etc.), so if I can gain at least $X/3 hours of enjoyment from
the object, that's a buy signal.
-- Doug
9:45 p.m.
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2:26 p.m.
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6:50 p.m.
So, if I offered you an Apple 1, one of 200 made, for
$1000, you'd
turn it down?
Well, actually I probably would. (Again, this is _ME_ personally here
:) I can't speak for anyone else)
7:49 p.m.
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3 Jul
3 Jul
5:18 a.m.
New subject: Making Profits (Was Re: LISA (fwd))
On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Tony Duell wrote:
No. I've never sold a computer at a profit.
Sometimes I've had to buy more
than one of a machine to get one at all (i.e. the seller has a pile he
wants to get rid of), but then I either keep them as spares or pass them
on to other UK collectors _for the price I payed_.
I am with Tony on this one. I only ever pass things on to other
collectors for the same price that I payed for them. I fact last year I
saved some DEC Bridges from a skip and after deciding that I wouldn't have
a use for them I passed them onto Tony as I knew they would be going to a
good home.
Saying this my collection could start making a profit soon because I have
one of my old machines out on loan to a company that is paying me. I
didn't ask for the money, they offered. Basically in March I had am email
asking about the condition of my Sage IV computer. It transpired that the
company in question uses one to control a key machine tool and their Sage
had failed, and production had stopped! They were very keen to borrow my
unit to get production going again and to port the software to a PC. This
process is taking longer than expected and they now feel that they should
be paying me for the loan of the machine. It is very difficult for me to
refuse as it will provide much needed cash for buying other computers.
--
Kevan
Old Computer Collector: http://www.heydon.org/kevan/collection/
9:21 a.m.
New subject: Making Profits (Was Re: LISA (fwd))
Kevan Heydon wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Tony Duell wrote:
Most of the time I onl get shipping for the oldies but on occasion I'll ask for
a few bucks to cover the time involved in getting it packed and down to the post
office as well. On other occasions I maight make 5 bucks over but it's rare on
the oldies that you can make a profit anyway. The 386SX and up I can turn a few
dollars since they're still in the realm of everyday use.
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No. I've never sold a computer at a profit.
Sometimes I've had to buy more
than one of a machine to get one at all (i.e. the seller has a pile he
wants to get rid of), but then I either keep them as spares or pass them
on to other UK collectors _for the price I payed_.
I am with Tony on this one. I only ever pass things on to other
collectors for the same price that I payed for them. I fact last year I
saved some DEC Bridges from a skip and after deciding that I wouldn't have
a use for them I passed them onto Tony as I knew they would be going to a
good home.
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Tony Duell wrote:
I think a fairer comment in my case would be that
I've never bought a
computer with the aim of selling it at a profit to other collectors. For
example :
If a person can actually find a buyer that will pay Ebay type prices I think they
should sell it for that, but I personally find it next to impossible to locate the
type that would pay these prices, and besides a collection they have no real use
in today's corporate business, as they are usually the ones that sold them at
salvage/surplus.
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2 Jul
2 Jul
8 p.m.
Side story here. I was offered and Apple 1 a couple of years ago. I bid
$3000 untested and $4500 powered up and working.
I thought it was a done deal so called back the next night to arrange the
trade (Had a chance to inspect so knew what I was buying). The owner
rather contritely said they couldn't pass on another offer. The other
offer was for $16K and went to the Woz himself.
I hear that machine is now on display in DeAnza College.
I'm disappointed the owner forgot about our done deal when Woz's offer
came through (I'm sure Woz had no idea about our agreement), but in some
small way I got what I wanted in that the unit is on display (Or better be
on display) in Cupertino.
Came really close to getting one of those machines (Sniff..Sigh).
George Rachor
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On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, George Currie wrote:
Actually, nor would I. The Apple 1 is not the sort of machine that I'm
interested in.
So let me get this straight, if you had an opportunity to buy an item that is
potentially worth $30000+ for only $1000 you would all pass it up? Hard to
believe. Well I guess everyone else on this list is so rich that the thought of
making 30x profit is nothing. Me on the other hand, even if I _hated_ Apple,
wouldn't pass up such a bargain. I get no excitement from a Picasso, but if
someone were to try to sell me one for $2000, you're damn straight I'd be all
over that thing (assuming of course it wasn't hot, ie it is the sellers ignorance
that they are selling that low).
Factors that I consider are (not necessarily in order)
- how badly do I want it
- how much spare money do I have to acquire it
- if I don't want it that badly, how much could I make off of it.
- is it interesting and about to be tossed (i.e. should it be rescued)
A perfect example being, if I could pick up a Lisa2 for $50, I most certainly
would. Personally I don't want one (already got one), but I know that I could
sell it for a _lot_ more. I know this concept goes against the beliefs of some
members, just call me a slimeball capitalist. But on an Apple 1, that $29000
profit would go a long way to paying off debt, going towards the mortgage,
paying for my kids tuition, etc.
Anyway, my 00000010 cents
George
So, if I
offered you an Apple 1, one of 200 made, for $1000, you'd
turn it down?
Well, actually I probably would. (Again, this is _ME_ personally here
:) I can't speak for anyone else) 
1 Jul
1 Jul
9:09 p.m.
Seth J. Morabito wrote:
I have to admit that I noticed the $1000 eBay Lisa and the two $300
Osborne 1's and it did get me wondering...
Personally, I'd never pay it; I have enough trouble rationalizing $1000
for a new Pentium or PowerPC. As for that much for a "collectible", it's
the same reason I still don't have a Mac Portable... I won't pay what
people seem to think is the going rate (> $200 for a 1MB 68000-based
system).
OTOH, I already own both a Lisa 2 and an O-1. The former cost me about
$100, spent $20 at a time to piece it together, and includes 1MB of RAM,
docs, and the Sun Remarketing SCSI board. The O-1 is a later model (same
as the one on eBay) and cost me $30, including Osborne modem, DD
upgrade, and 80-column upgrade. Both are currently sitting in storage
because I have no room to keep them set up nor time to use them.
There are days when I wonder if I would not be better off auctioning
them off, taking the money and running. Better yet, just go on the 'net
and offer an even swap of the Lisa for a G3 PowerMac... at least I might
find time to use the PowerMac.
The eternal conundrum...
<<<John>>>
OK, now so I know how much these things are worth besides how much the
buyer wants to pay for it, would you people pay this much?
Personally? Maybe. This is really a 'Per-Collector' question, I suppose.
I think that $200 is approaching the very-high-end of anything I would
go after myself. For this particular machine, I'd have to say $200 is
a little high, but might be worth it considering what some others have
gone for.
As for the >$1000 E-bay Lisa, I'd just have to say "No way, no how,
nuh-uh." That is far, far too much money. 
2 Jul
2 Jul
1:12 a.m.
On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Max Eskin wrote:
OK, now so I know how much these things are worth
besides how much the
buyer wants to pay for it, would you people pay this much?
The real question is, how much is it worth to you? It really doesn't
matter what the rest of us think.
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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