Hi there.
I just acquired a board with the number M7609. It was advertised as an M630-CA which my research tells me is supposed to be 16MB. How do I tell on the board if this is 8MB or 16MB? There does not seem to be a suffix on the board that I can see.
What to look for?
73 Eugene W2HX
> On Jul 9, 2019, at 10:00 AM,Tomasz Rola wrote:
>
> BTW, you would like a ride to the past? I would like a ride to the
> future. Although from what I have seen so far, maybe not...
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I'm primarily thinking about between servers (MTA-to-MTA). But I'm also
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? SMTP(S)
? UUCP (rmail)
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? X.400
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> Erom: Eric Smith
Hey, thanks for taking the time to provide all those details.
As you no doubt saw, our emails crossed; I had managed to work out my own
what the difference was. I'd been looking at this page:
http://corestore.org/DEC2065.htm
and saw the two backplanes, and assumed one was the EBox, and one the
MBox - wrong! But eventually I got it straight...
One some other points you covered:
> The 1080 was intended to replace a KA10 or KI10 ... It only needed a
> single DTE20 for the internal console PDP-11, and it didn't need an
> RH20 because the disk would be attached via an RH10
Got it; makes sense.
Could an -A be upgraded to a -B by swapping the I/O backplane? (Yes, the
wiring to the I/O connectors would have to be changed too, and that might have
been too difficult.) But could the APR handle it (perhaps with one or more
board changes)?
> The -PA and -PV designations .. are for the "arithmetic processor"
> (APR), which is the main CPU portion of the KL10.
Useful terminology to know. Do you happen to know what 'PV' stands for -
or is it just a random letter code?
>> my new theory is that it's the MBox ... that is the
>> difference between the KL10-A and the KL10-B.
> It's not just the MBOX; there are significant EBOX differences as
> well. Various modules from the entire CPU are different, and the
> backplane wiring is slightly different. It was possible to upgrade a
> -PA to -PV by swapping modules and adding some wraps to the
> backplane
Do note I said "KL10-A and the KL10-B", not 'Model A and Model B'... I
assume the APR's in the -A and -B were identical, it was just the I/O
backplane, etc which were different.
On the -PA to -PV upgrade, could the backplane really be done with some
wraps? I ask because I saw in one manual, talking about a KL10-C to -PV
upgrade, it calls for a backplane swap-out.
I've also got some open questions on the later things like the KL10-R, -PW,
and MCA25, which are not covered well in the documentation avilable in
bitsavers; do you know about the later variations?
Noel
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I've been banging my head against zillions of guides that are dreadfully
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--
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A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
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A: Top-posting.
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I have a small stack of Sun 3 Administrator, Networking and Diagnostic
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? Thanks
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> So my new theory is that it's the MBox (either the backplane, the
> boards, or the wiring from it to connectors, etc) that is the difference
> between the KL10-A and the KL10-B.
So I wuz confused; the second backplane is not the MBox (which is apparently
on the main CPU backplane), but an 'I/O backplane'. The one in the KL10-B is
different+larger and holds the RH20s, etc.
Noel
So I'm a little puzzled by something, and I was wondering if anyone
here knows the answer.
So early KL10's (KL10-A's, to be precise) only support a single DTE20, and
no RH20's. Later ones supported up to 4 of the former, and up to 8 of the
latter.
I always supposed this to be part and parcel of the 'Model A/Model B' CPU
difference, but no... EK-0KL10-02 Part 1 (no title, seems to be notes for
F/S) pg. 9, says both KL10-A and KL10-B's are PA (DEC jargon for the Model
A CPU - below), but the former has no RH20's, the latter does.
(A note at the bottom of the page says that a PA is a 'Model A', and
describes it as having "internal channels". The PV is a 'Model B' -
extended addressing, larger ucode, faster clock.)
So my new theory is that it's the MBox (either the backplane, the boards,
or the wiring from it to connectors, etc) that is the difference between
the KL10-A and the KL10-B.
Can anyone confirm this and/or provide details of the differences? Pictures
of the MBox in a KL10-A would be good, too.
Noel
