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seeking advice on moving PDP 11 and related gear

by lyokoboy0＠gmail.com

Ive been trying to get a pdp 11 for quite a few years now, I recently found someone selling a 11/34 with related gear in a couple of racks Here in my state of florida. I jumped at the chance and bought it, i have not found anything for sale this close to me before, yet alone in my state. The plan is to go get it all later this week. It is a 11/34 in a rack with a bunch of related Rl drives and a couple of big reel to reel tape drives. Not sure the specifics anymore, after I paid him he took down the ad, and i did not write down the details. What I want to ask is is there anything i should look out for, any precautions I can take to make sure this all gets back in one piece? Especially in relation to the RL drives, ive never dealt with any of this equipment before and am not sure what to expect. The plan is to rent a uhaul trailer and go over there in a truck, and to take everything delicately out of the racks and put it into the trailer, and to put the empty racks into the truck. Any advice that could help or prepare me for what i should expect to need to do once i get there would be much appreciated.

11 years, 1 month

seeking advice on moving PDP 11 and related gear

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: devin davison > any precautions I can take to make sure this all gets back in one > piece? Especially in relation to the RL drives Other people have covered most of this; my additional advice is to download the RL01/RL02 manual, and read it thoroughly. It covers the process on how to open an un-powered RL0x drive (it's not obvious/trivial), and how to lock the heads for moving the drive. > From: Jerome H. Fine > make sure that a fast (emergency?) stop does not shift the load. True; stack all the stuff along the front wall of the truck enclosure, and use shipping straps, etc, liberally. Noel

11 years, 1 month

Recommendations for Packers/Freighters near Fresno, CA?

by derschjo＠gmail.com

Hi all -- I have a full-height rack of computer stuff I need to get packed up and shipped from near Fresno, CA (Reedly, to be specific). I was hoping to use Craters & Freighters as I've used them before and they seem to do OK work, but they don't have a location near enough. I'm not too familiar with other options -- anyone know of anyone in that area that they'd recommend? Or maybe a long road trip is in my future. And a truck... Thanks, Josh

11 years, 1 month

48mb NeXT slab ram up for grabs

by salgernon＠me.com

2 x 16mb 72 pin 70ns 2 x 8mb 72 pin 70ns pulled from a working next slab that I upgraded; I've no use for them, so FFFS. (Invent an acronym that doesn't involve you having to send me $.73 via paypal and send me your mailing address, or pick up in Ben Lomond, CA) Cheers, --sma

11 years, 1 month

equipment available

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Some have asked if I'm just posting gear from ads I see online in my "equipment available" deals. The answer is no; I very frequently get individuals emailing me directly about systems they want to dispose of, so unless I was blind-CC'd, these equipment available deals are generally not known elsewhere (not ebay, craigslist, etc.). When I pass these deals on to someone, I don't ask anything in return. Just want to see the gear saved by an interested party. So. a new email just crossed my desk for HP fans. A service company is wanting to divest (ie. $ell) their legacy HP inventory consisting of.. . (3) HP1000 A900 2199E chassis. . (41) A900, (12) A990, and (12) E-Series PCB boards such as sequencer, memory controller and memory, data path, cache controller, interface boards (Mux, HPIB, Serial, 802.3 LAN). . Tape Drives (7979 and 7980). . Terminals (2392A, 700/94). . Disk Drives (7937XP, C2203, 670XP). I have no interest in A series machines myself. I always have an interest in spare E-series boards, so that part of it I may pursue. If anyone is interested in the rest, please contact me off-list and I'll put you directly in touch with the seller/owner. For fans of the 1000 21MX M/E/F, please note that the A-series are fairly "different" machines and not interchangeable with M/E/F boxes. Best, J

11 years, 1 month

list consolidation

by cctalk＠beyondthepale.ie

> > FYI - in the fairly near term, I plan to get rid of the "two views of the > same list" configuration on the classiccmp server. It has always created a > rather large administrative burden, but also lately just has not been > working right (problems subscribing, duplicate emails, a continuous stream > of bounces, etc.). The list would go back to the way it used to be - one > list, one view, at classiccmp at classiccmp.org. > Excellent. Thank you Jay for providing this unique resource and for putting up with all the grief that goes with it. I've looked after a few mailing lists in a previous life but only on the technical side. It was difficult enough at times and I am well aware how hard it is to please everyone but I've never had to deal with the flamefests, feuds, off-topicness and other human issues so I can only admire your patience, tolerance and ability to achieve the seemingly impossible as a matter of routine, not to mention managing to keep the level of spam which gets through to as near to absolute zero as it gets. > > The primary reason for the "two view" paradigm was due to (at the time) some > very substantial off-topicness, flamewars, etc. For a period of time I was > not regularly reading the list and thus missed those things when they were > occurring. For the past year or so (and it will very likely continue that > way) I have been back to regularly watching/reading the list - so on my part > I will do a better job monitoring the list for "outbreaks", and will email > the involved parties off-list whenever (if) it starts to occur. In addition, > many of the most vocal flamers are no longer here. Separately, those who are > more irked by off-topicness I would ask to get slightly more familiar with > the DEL key J > I hope that we will all do our best to restrain ourselves and keep things civil and on-topic and to think carefully about whether what we are about to post will be a useful contribution to the discussion that at least a portion of the membership will be likely to be interested in reading and that we will bear in mind that some effort in presentation has only to be made once by the poster but will be greatly appreciated by the all of the many recipients when they find the conversation that much easier to follow. For me, the DEL key simply does not function as a solution to those who prefer to have write-only access to mailing lists and I tend to reach for the UNSUB key instead. Thankfully this has never been necessary here, due in no small part to the behind the scenes hard work of Jay and the list moderators. Regards, Peter Coghlan.

11 years, 1 month

Logos and typefaces and fonts (oh, my!) [was: RE: DEC Logo]

by RichA＠LivingComputerMuseum.org

From: Dave G4UGM Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:43 AM >> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Toby Thain >> Sent: 30 June 2015 14:10 >> On 2015-06-30 4:44 AM, simon wrote: >>> On 29-06-15 14:56, Toby Thain wrote: >>>> On 2015-06-29 3:54 AM, simon wrote: >>>>> the front of the internal bus options maintenance manual in front of me. >>>>> But looking at the f in 8/f gives me the impression they mixed some >>>>> fonts for the logo and taking a closer look at the line: >>>>> "digital equipment corporation . maynard. massachusetts" >>>>> is proving both of us wrong. the y in maynard is a rounded version, >>>>> but both futura and avant garde hve a straight y. >>>>> "...the search continues..." >>>> Can you scan the page you're looking at? >>> tada.wav: https://hack42.nl/mediawiki/images/a/a7/Dec_footer.png >>> it is also used on the front of the pdp8/f here at our museum. > If it?s the oldest logo why do Straight Eights have a serifed font... > http://dustyoldcomputers.com/pdp8/images-3C8F62C8/R3378-hp.jpg http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/text/DEC/pdp-1/DEC.pdp_1.1960.… This early brochure for the PDP-1 features the vertical d e c logo in a picture, as well as a serif face for titles and *on the machine*. Our PDP-7 likewise has a serif face for "Digital Equipment Corporation" on its name plate, with an outline block sans-serif "PDP-7". A brief survey of the manuals for the 18-bit systems on Bitsavers shows that the change from a serif face for titles occurred during the development of the PDP-7 documentation: The preliminary edition of the User Handbook has the system name in a block serif typeface, while the release edition has the name in a block sans-serif. The PDP-6 (36-bit system) also uses the serif face; the PDP-8 is schizophrenic, and the PDP-9 et seq. use sans-serif. Note that I use the terms (type)face and logo, not "font". Until Apple bastardized the term, a _font_ was a package of metal type in a particular _typeface_, and was the unit by which type was ordered from a foundry. A _logo_ was a special item, cast as a single unit for printing, not a collection of individual pieces of type. Someone in this thread mentioned having been in the graphics design trade, and can certainly back me up on this, as well as on the fact that advertising houses and departments generally designed their own lettering for lithographic reproduction rather than using commercially available typefaces; the latter were used for printed materials consisting of large stretches of text rather than one-offs. (A company might adopt a face, or commission one, as part of the house identity, in which case the lettering done by the graphics people would probably resemble the face, but it's unlikely that it would be cast at the large sizes needed for advertising, since each size requires a set of steel punches to be engraved and a set of matrices to be produced.) Rich Rich Alderson Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer Living Computer Museum 2245 1st Avenue S Seattle, WA 98134 mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/

11 years, 1 month

Front Panels Personal Update

by rodsmallwood52＠btinternet.com

Hi Guys I'm just about done sending first batch front panels Needless to say I have had some feed back on reqirements. As well as the variations of 8/e panels, 8/f 8/i 8/L and 8/m have been mentioned. ; Of these the 8/f seemed like a good place to start. I have the white border and DEC logo in place. When it came to the address an interesting issue arose. DEC used their own font, It can be identified like this The letter a is formed by a circle with a vertical bar on the right hand side. This font is used for titles and the like in handbooks of this period. I'm going to have go at building this font as a nornal windows font and adding it those available on windows. If anybody has aready done this I'd like to hear from them. I'm on holiday from 25-JUN-2015 to 2-JUL-2015. We go to the big Ham Radio meeting in Friedrichshafen every year. I should be able to do email but not much else Finally I am in need of the following cards for my 8/e -- M8330 - KK8E Timing board (system clock) -- M8340 \_ optional KE8E EAE board 1 -- M8341 / optional KE8E EAE board 2 xx M8310 \_ KK8E CPU control (/I already have this/) -- M8300 / KK8E CPU registers -- M837 - KM8E or MC8E extended Memory & Time Share control Can I get a basic system up without the 8340/41 and the M837? If yes then I just need the M8330 AND M8300 _Can you help bring my 8/e back to life?_ Rod Smallwood

11 years, 1 month

list consolidation

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

ditto but I never complained as I was grateful that it existed in the first place! Ed# In a message dated 6/30/2015 6:35:05 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, healyzh at aracnet.com writes: On Jun 30, 2015, at 11:35 AM, "Jay West" <jwest at classiccmp.org> wrote: > FYI - in the fairly near term, I plan to get rid of the "two views of the > same list" configuration on the classiccmp server. And there was much rejoicing! Personally I've always hated the two list view. Zane

11 years, 1 month

Request for web development (ccmp)

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I have a rather long list of enhancements to the classiccmp website that I'd like to make, and IANAWD (I am not a web developer). In the past I have always had one of the staff web developers here make minor changes around the edges, but my list of enhancements is now "bigger than that". Are there any experienced web developers on the list that have some free time (*chuckle*) and would like to contribute some time to the hobby? I'd rather a fellow hobbyist work on this as a labor of love than one of my web developers who really doesn't "get it". I may be able to put together a few clams to help entice. If there's any interest, please contact me off-list. Best, J

11 years, 1 month

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