test-drb August 2016

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Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

by lproven＠gmail.com

I'm experimenting with some old DOS versions, notably PC DOS, in VirtualBox. I have a PC-DOS 2000 system with DesqView and DesqView/X working fairly well -- no networking yet but I'm working on it. I am also trying to get a DR-DOS 8 VM up and running. DR-DOS 7.03 is no problem, but I've had no joy getting DR-DOS 8.1 to install to hard disk. It's reluctant to SYS a hard disk, and when it did, it mis-diagnosed it as FAT-12 and wouldn't boot. Using Norton DiskTools, I've managed to transfer the system files, but they display the message DR-DOS 8.1 ... and then it freezes. Can this late version, mainly used for utility floppies, actually boot >from HD & be used like a normal DOS? And although I've not tried it yet, the same question applies to PC DOS 7.1, the early-noughties version that can understand FAT32 and long filenames. -- Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Cell/Mobiles: +44 7939-087884 (UK) ? +420 702 829 053 (?R)

7 years, 11 months

Bill Gates: Windows 95 Was 'A High Point'

by vintagecomputer＠bettercomputing.net

I would call Win 95 a high point also. ?I lived near Toronto at the time and remember the unfurling of a huge Win 95 banner down one side. ?There were events everywhere. ?MS was really at their zenith. The excitement around that launch was like nothing since. ?I believe I got swept up and installed it immediately but shortly after removed it. ?Couldn't get used to the interface. ?Eventually for one reason or another I had to and did go back to it. ?Wasn't the greatest or most stable OS and was kind of a half breed at that, but man.. what I wouldn't give to feel the anticipation again, the difference between it and DOS. ?Nothing released on either PC or Mac has come close. Brad Sent from my Samsung device -------- Original message -------- From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com> Date: 2016-08-01 4:25 PM (GMT-08:00) To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Bill Gates: Windows 95 Was 'A High Point' > > <https://tech.slashdot.org/story/08/05/28/2214214/bill-gates-windows-95-was-…> > http://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/introducing.gif I have a "Windows '95 = Macintosh '89" pin on my iMac G4, as seen here: http://www.theapplecollection.com/Collection/pin/PinsBadges.html -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- ? Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- Business is war. -- Jack Tramiel -------------------------------------------

7 years, 11 months

Keyboards etc.

by vintagecomputer＠bettercomputing.net

Definitely interested in any MDS/keypunch stuff. ?By no means am I done with the TVT.. just assembling all the vintage resistors and bits to get assembly going. ?I was hoping to have an MDS keyboard as is just to show people what the prototype came from. I would definitely be interested in an AC-30. ?Without question. ?Let me know! Brad Sent from my Samsung device -------- Original message -------- From: Mike Stein <mhs.stein at gmail.com> Date: 2016-08-04 10:34 AM (GMT-08:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Keyboards etc. ... Same here; I long for the good old days when they just asked where you were born... So, looks like you've pretty well finished your TV typewriters, so can I assume that you don't want/need any of the MDS etc. keyboard stuff we talked about long ago? Also, since you're into SWTPC stuff, would you be interested in an AC-30 to go between your CT-1024 and 6800 (assuming I can find it)? http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/AC30/AC30_Index.htm mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad H" <vintagecomputer at bettercomputing.net> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 10:33 AM Subject: Re: SWTPC 6800 > >??? > Thanks Jim! > Wish I could go but I'm up in BC and haven't renewed my passport in a couple of years. One of these days for sure though. > Brad > > > Sent from my Samsung device > > -------- Original message -------- > From: jim stephens <jwsmail at jwsss.com> > Date: 2016-08-03? 11:54 PM? (GMT-08:00) > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: SWTPC 6800 > > > > On 8/3/2016 10:58 PM, Brad H wrote: >> >> Thought I would post this here in case it reaches eyes my forum posts don't. So I finally got my hands on a SWTPC 6800! >> This machine is chock full of boards.. 4 ram boards, the cpu card (with SWTBUG ROM), MP-S, MP-C serial cards, a floppy controller, some little custom board, a sound card.. etc. >> This presents some challenges obviously, since the machine has been altered from stock it could be tricky getting it running. >> Before I had it stripped down, I tried powering up as is (i pulled the older MP-C card and put MP-S in slot 1). This produced little except for a string of random characters that would repeat every time I hit reset, exactly the same number. >> I tried stripping it down to CPU card, MP-S, and the RAM board designated as '0'.. but all I get at the terminal end is a single random character on power up. >> I then thought I'd try my luck putting the CPU card in my working MSI system (taking out its card). Nope. >> Now, because my CPU card has been modified to accomodate SWTBUG and possibly something else, I'm not sure if it'll even work in a stripped down config. Not sure about the interplay between boards. >> Anyway.. if anyone has any thoughts to point me in the right direction I'd be most appreciative. Ultimately I'd like to get this beast working with my CT1024 terminals. >> Brad >> > I saw an SWTPC booth registered at VCF West, maybe you should drop by. > I'll look in and see what they have and maybe they can help too. > > Only SWTPC gizmo I have is one of their audio amplifiers somewhere in > the pile. Picked up at TRW Swap Meet. > Thanks > jim >

7 years, 11 months

more vintage computer stuff

by sales＠elecplus.com

Sorry guys, but it seems there was a take all buyer from CA who took the entire lot. It is no longer available. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 500 Pershing Ave. Kerrville, TX 78028 830-370-3239 cell sales at elecplus.com AOL IM elcpls

7 years, 11 months

SWTPC 6800

by henk.gooijen＠hotmail.com

Sorry list, now trying top post ? somehow my typed tekst goes into a bit bucket. Back in the seventies (well, 1979-1980) I had a 6800-based modular system in a 19" rack, 3HE high. One Euro-card was the 6800 CPU, another Euro-card was 8k RAM ("famous" 2112?s IIRC), one Euro-card with 8 sockets for 2716 EPROMs. Plus a self-made cassette interface. I still remember buying two 2716 EPROMs for 313 Guilders! That was a lot of money for a poor student! Two years later I bought a generic floppy disk interface and 5.25? TEAC FD50 floppy drive (SS/SD) and wrote my own ?DOS?. Took 8 months, but I no longer needed the cassette interface. A small bookshop in Amsterdam (Computer Collectief) sold great books (at that time) for the real hobbyist. That way I got the TSC Editor, TSC Assembler, TSC Linker and TSC Debugger. And it all came with source listings, so I could hack away my own interface routines :-) With the TSC software I developed my first StarShip assembler code. It was some 10 to 14 files which you assembled to "relocatables". Subsequently you used the linker to create the "absolute" from the relocatables. Worked really well. Those were the days! I still have the 6800 system, Build-It-Yourself keyboard and monitor. I wonder whether the EPROMs would still have all bits OK, after 35 years. Fond memories, - Henk PS. I have a 6800 source listing of StarTrek, not sure that came from TSC! Van: Toby Thain<mailto:toby at telegraphics.com.au> Verzonden: donderdag 4 augustus 2016 17:11 Aan: cctalk at classiccmp.org<mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org> Onderwerp: Re: SWTPC 6800 On 2016-08-04 8:19 AM, william degnan wrote: > ... > All of this is well documented online, Mike Holley has a step by step set > up on his site. A few years ago I retyped the entire code listing of TSC > BASIC which can be downloaded into bare bones SWTPC 6800 > Same one as this? http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/TSC_MicroBasic/TSC_MicroBasic.htm --Toby

7 years, 11 months

SWTPC 6800

by henk.gooijen＠hotmail.com

Van: Henk Gooijen<mailto:henk.gooijen at hotmail.com> Verzonden: donderdag 4 augustus 2016 19:44 Aan: Toby Thain<mailto:toby at telegraphics.com.au> Onderwerp: RE: SWTPC 6800 Van: Toby Thain

7 years, 11 months

SWTPC 6800

by vintagecomputer＠bettercomputing.net

Thanks Jim! Wish I could go but I'm up in BC and haven't renewed my passport in a couple of years. ?One of these days for sure though. Brad Sent from my Samsung device -------- Original message -------- From: jim stephens <jwsmail at jwsss.com> Date: 2016-08-03 11:54 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: SWTPC 6800 On 8/3/2016 10:58 PM, Brad H wrote: >????? > Thought I would post this here in case it reaches eyes my forum posts don't.? So I finally got my hands on a SWTPC 6800! > This machine is chock full of boards.. 4 ram boards, the cpu card (with SWTBUG ROM), MP-S, MP-C serial cards, a floppy controller, some little custom board, a sound card.. etc. > This presents some challenges obviously, since the machine has been altered from stock it could be tricky getting it running. > Before I had it stripped down, I tried powering up as is (i pulled the older MP-C card and put MP-S in slot 1).? This produced little except for a string of random characters that would repeat every time I hit reset, exactly the same number. > I tried stripping it down to CPU card, MP-S, and the RAM board designated as '0'.. but all I get at the terminal end is a single random character on power up. > I then thought I'd try my luck putting the CPU card in my working MSI system (taking out its card).? Nope. > Now, because my CPU card has been modified to accomodate SWTBUG and possibly something else, I'm not sure if it'll even work in a stripped down config.? Not sure about the interplay between boards. > Anyway.. if anyone has any thoughts to point me in the right direction I'd be most appreciative.? Ultimately I'd like to get this beast working with my CT1024 terminals. > Brad > I saw an SWTPC booth registered at VCF West, maybe you should drop by.? I'll look in and see what they have and maybe they can help too. Only SWTPC gizmo I have is one of their audio amplifiers somewhere in the pile.? Picked up at TRW Swap Meet. Thanks jim

7 years, 11 months

FW: [IBM1130] 029 keypunch available

by dave.g4ugm＠gmail.com

Clare Owens <clare.owens at gmail.com> From: ibm1130 at googlegroups.com [mailto:ibm1130 at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Clare Owens Sent: 04 August 2016 13:30 To: ibm1130 at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [IBM1130] 029 keypunch available Sure, the more the merrier. Thanks, Clare On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:59 AM, Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com <mailto:dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> > wrote: Clare, Do you mind if I forward this to some other lists. I am sure there will be lots of interest. Dave From: ibm1130 at googlegroups.com <mailto:ibm1130 at googlegroups.com> [mailto:ibm1130 at googlegroups.com <mailto:ibm1130 at googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Clare Owens Sent: 03 August 2016 20:55 To: ibm1130 at googlegroups.com <mailto:ibm1130 at googlegroups.com> Subject: [IBM1130] 029 keypunch available My son Bill just reminded me that I should write and ask whether anyone would be interested in an 029 keypunch, pickup only in Syracuse, NY. It is complete but the cables were disconnected in order to move it in pieces several years ago. There are many spare parts (from another 029 taken apart years ago) and it has the complete CE documentation. Free to someone who will give it a good home and take care of it. Clare Owens Apex, NC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "IBM1130" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ibm1130+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com <mailto:ibm1130+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com> . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

7 years, 11 months

RE: RX02 rx-01 heathkit 8 inch drive for H-11 ( lsi11 heath case drive diff?)

by couryhouse＠aol.com

OK will check when back at real computer? Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> Date: 8/4/16 07:35 (GMT-07:00) To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: RE: RX02 rx-01 heathkit 8 inch drive for H-11 ( lsi11 heath case drive diff?) In the DEC area. Sorry in Spain at present and can't get to the Forums. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of > COURYHOUSE at aol.com > Sent: 04 August 2016 08:27 > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: RX02 rx-01 heathkit 8 inch drive for H-11 ( lsi11 heath case drive > diff?) > > link? to??? area? or topic? Please? > > > In a message dated 8/4/2016 12:00:45 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > dave.g4ugm at gmail.com writes: > > There? was some discussion on this on the VCFED forums. Might be worth? a > read. > > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > > From:? cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of > > Richard? Cini > > Sent: 03 August 2016 11:51 > > To: General Discussion:? On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > >? Subject: Re: RX02 rx-01 heathkit 8 inch drive for H-11 ( lsi11 heath > case > drive > > diff?) > > > > Are you referring to having the? H-27 drive from Heath? I don't know > > for > sure > > because I've never? seen H27 docs, but the disk capacity is the same > > as > the > > RX01 (256k)? and I think the interface was made deliberately > > incompatible, likely? at the behest of DEC. The version of RT-11 > > (called? HT-11) > supposedly > > used a different floppy device driver. > > > > Again, this is based solely on what I've read from various places and > > not direct experience (I have an H-11 with a SCSI controller; no > > floppy; and > it runs > > RT-11 no problem). > > > >? Rich > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Aug 3,? 2016, at 1:40 AM, COURYHOUSE at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > we have? a heath? h11? which is lsi 11?? aka pdp?? 11/03 > > > > > > the? drives? are not? rx o1? or? rx o2... but are they? and the > > > controller? comparable? with rx01? or? an rx02? > > > > > >? Thanks? Ed# at??? smecc > >

7 years, 11 months

PDP-8 _Introduction_to_Programming_ & _Programming_Languages_(Scanned) Covers Needed

by anders＠abc80.net

>Does anyone have DEC's PDP-8 _Introduction_to_Programming_, Editions 3 >and/or 4 and/or the PDP-8 _Programming_Languages_ handbooks? > >If you're not willing to part with your copy, could you scan the front >covers of these handbooks and tell me which Edition(s) they are from? >I'm >especially looking for the front cover that had the "format generator >program" printed on it in the background. > >I'm also looking for DEC's PDP-8 _Programming_Languages_. If you are not >willing to part with them, could you scan the front cover and tell me >which >Edition(s) it/they are from? I have the second, fourth and fifth edition of "introduction to programming". The fourth and fifth edition looks the same. I'll send a scanned cover of fourth edition to Bob. I'm not willing to part with any of them. /Anders

7 years, 11 months

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