test-drb February 2016

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by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Al Kossow > Have you guys thought about a panel that would connect to the KM11 > connector slots of real rk11/tc11 controllers? Umm, Guy sells KM11 clones? (I just bought a pair, they look really nice.) Or did you mean something else? Speaking of things Guy has, Dave is talking about adding a switch that would turn a QSIC+indicator panel into a QAV-11... :-) Noel

8 years, 5 months

QSIC update

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

So here's a quick update on where Dave Bridgham and I are with the QSIC, since I think we have reached a significant milestone. We have the first of two wire-wrap prototype QBUS motherboards more or less (see below) done, and working to do slave cycles on the QBUS. (I.e. we implemented a simple register, and can write it, and read the contents back.) A test program to write all 2^16 possible values, and read them back and check them, ran several thousand complete passes with no errors. To get there, we (Dave, really - he bore the brunt of the work on this problem, and finally conquered it) had to tackle and fix some major noise issues: the way the prototype is done (a wirewrap QBUS mother-board with bus transceivers, level converters, etc, connected to an FPGA prototyping card with flat cables), we think we had cross-talk problems in the cables (since the connector pinout on the FPGA card, which we can't change, didn't alternate ground and signal lines). Anyway, it's working now; that means the hardware is 'mostly' working; most of the work from here on out will be FPGA, etc, programming. There _are_ a few additional QBUS lines used for bus master (DMA) and interrupts which we haven't used yet, and one of the first things done now is to get those two kind of bus cycles working; a) we have to get them done anyway, and b) that will verify that the QBUS interface hardware is full working. With that in hand, we can do the first controller (RK11), using memory in the FPGA to simulate a small disk. We'll then try and get to the larger RAM on the FPGA, to do full-size RAM disks. Next up after that is probably to hook up some SD cards (we already have produced the small PCB daughter-cards, which will mount on sockets on the wire-wrap mother-board, to hold the SD cards - we still need to add those sockets and wire them up, hence the comment that the wire-wrap mother-boards are "almost done"), at which point we'll have a fully-functional prototype. Dave has also produced prototype PCB's for the indicator panel, and one has been stuffed, and Dave's about to try and hook that up, and get it running; that will require yet a bit more work on the mother-board (install 3 sockets to hold the driver chips for the signal lines in the interface to the indicator panel). Blinkenlitz are a priority because, i) just because ;-), and ii) being able to display data from inside the FPGA will be a big debugging help. Anyway, we think getting slave cycles working was a major milestone (for a couple of software guys :-), And we think (_hope_ :-) that progress will now be pretty rapid, so hopefully more soon. Noel

8 years, 5 months

Real tape drive densities [was RE: Oregon Pascal tape found]

by RichA＠LivingComputerMuseum.org

From: Christian Corti Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 2:28 AM > On Tue, 9 Feb 2016, Pete Lancashire wrote: >> There are a few odd balls in 9-track as well, but the 556 was a typo. > Really? > I actually *do* have a 9 track tape drive (HP 7970) that has 200/556/800 > bpi densities: > http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pics/hp1000/hp7970_2.jpg > And it is a *9* track tape, I know for sure. Actually, what you have is a *dual-density* tape drive, an HP7970E. It will write 9-track tapes at 800bpi, or 7-track tapes at 200, 556, or 800. See the manual for the 7970 drive family at http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/hp/tape/7970/07970-90885_7… Rich Rich Alderson Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer Living Computer Museum 2245 1st Avenue S Seattle, WA 98134 mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/

8 years, 5 months

Front Panels Update

by rodsmallwood52＠btinternet.com

Hi I had an email in from the screeners this morning. She is getting there. I suppose I should not expect automation speeds from a skilled hand process. Twenty boards not all the same with five passes per board, flush out time and drying time with the need for spot on registration aint gonna be that quick. More news as I get it Rod

8 years, 5 months

Babes at Bell Labs

by jgessling＠yahoo.com

In honor of Valentine's day and all the great ladies that I've worked with over the years, ?I for one had a small part in a romance by setting up a VMS account for the geologist in our department after listening to his complaints about how useless computers were for years. ?Come to find out he wanted to email with one of my best programmers. ?Love ensued with marriage in a little while. ?Please enjoy. Big computers, big hair: the women of Bell Labs in the 1960s ? in pictures | ? | | ? | | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | | Big computers, big hair: the women of Bell Labs in the 1...In 1967, Lawrence ?Larry? Luckham was an operations manager at Bell Labs in Oakland, California. He brought a camera into work to capture a day in the life? | | | | View on www.theguardian.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | ? | Jim

8 years, 5 months

IBM System z9 available near Ann Arbor, MI

by scaron＠umich.edu

Hi all, I was stopping by a local recycler to pick up a few Cisco switches I bought to add to my lab, and while I was there, I happened to spot a complete IBM System z9 machine out of the U-M Health System. http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Type-2096-S07-System-z9-Enterprise-Server-TESTE… The fellow that I was speaking with indicated that they might accept a little bit less than the tagged price. Perhaps this is a bit on the new side for the list but I figured these don't come around too often and this might be a good place to find it a home... I know there are lots of IBM enthusiasts here. Best, Sean

8 years, 5 months

pdp11/04 : the pics....

by jdr_use＠bluewin.ch

On ftp.dreesen.ch/PDP11 you can find some pics on how the rescued PDP11/04 fits right in next to its cousin, a PDP8/a This 8a, BTW, has more memory (128K x 12) and more oomph ( a FPP8A ) than the PDP11/04.... Jos

8 years, 5 months

Stuck bits on 11/73 Clearpoint 4MB memory - how to repair?

by jacob.ritorto＠gmail.com

Hi, Seems I have bits 4 and 3 sticking on my Clearpoint QRAM-2-SAB-1 88b 4MB memory in my pdp11/73. Can anyone offer hints as to how to identify which component is broken and how to go about repairing this? It's the only memory board in this machine, so I guess the problem might actually be a bus or processor board, right? I have no other q-bus memory to test with, so can't do swapping / process of elimination to be sure. Here's the manual: http://www.arclightindustries.com/docs/Clearpoint-88B.pdf (which I probably should add to manx or archive.org or something). Here's a snippet of the VMJA diags run illustrating bits 4 and 3 sticking. During the next VMJA run, all addresses were showing up as errored instead of just the ones ending in xxx000xx, so I guess it's getting worse! @173000g Starting system BOOTING UP XXDP-XM EXTENDED MONITOR XXDP-XM EXTENDED MONITOR - XXDP V2.5 REVISION: F0 BOOTED FROM DL0 124KW OF MEMORY NON-UNIBUS SYSTEM RESTART ADDRESS: 152000 TYPE "H" FOR HELP ! .R VMJA?? 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8 years, 5 months

IBM 3290 terminal

by kevin.bowling＠kev009.com

I'm looking for an IBM 3290 to complement my z800 mainframe and third party 3174-22L establishment controller. I can't imagine these were particularly rare, but am sure many of them have been destroyed in the waning years since it takes special equipment/know how/desire to even use. Any leads on on for a reasonable price? Regards, Kevin

8 years, 5 months

VAXen and minimal memory (was Re: The PDP11/04 has landed..)

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Jon Elson <elson at pico-systems.com> wrote: > On 02/08/2016 03:23 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: >> >> I don't know if you could use the 256K boards (populated with 4116s) in >> the 11/730 due to the tri-voltage 4116s, but even if they worked, you >> wouldn't want to - 5 of them just isn't that much RAM. > > We ran our first 11/780 with 2 memory boards. I THINK we had a total of 256 > KB, and one Friday afternoon one of them died and we had to run over the > weekend with only one board, so that would have been 128 KB. Yes, it was a > bit tight on memory, but we got a LOT done on that machine. As I mentioned our first 11/750 was delivered with 512KB (we upgraded it pretty quickly to 8 boards for 2MB, where it ran for years). The 11/750 first shipped with IIRC VMS 2.0. My first encounters with VMS was around mid-1984 and VMS 3.4. We had 8MB of memory in our second 11/750 but it was supporting 50+ users. That 11/750 went off-lease, we sent it back. That's why I had to upgrade the other one, so we'd still have an 8MB VAX in-house. It ran VMS 4.7 at the end of its days 23 years ago (we had quite a bit of software that wasn't available for/wasn't licensed for/wasn't under paid-maintenance for 5.x). I haven't powered it up since we left that building (I do occasionally power up the 8300 that we got for product development). So I'm fairly confident that 512MB is enough for VMS 2.0 but I _think_ by 3.0, you had to have a megabyte or two. 1.25MB would be the most you could stuff in a 11/730 if you could use the boards populated with 16Kbit DRAMs. I don't think VMS 2.x runs on an 11/730 (but I could be wrong there). We ran Ultrix 1.1 and VMS 5.0 on one of ours (with 5MB). VMS 5.0 barely fit - we mostly used that to link our product binaries under 5.x for distribution to our customers. I do know someone in Ohio who ran VMS 5.0 on a VAX-11/725, but they did it by cutting a slot in the skin and running a BC11 cable out to a BA11 box next to the 11/725 and stuffing a UDA50 in the BA11. With an external disk, there's no practical difference between an 11/725 and an 11/730... same CPU, same backplane, same memory... just a packaging difference. -ethan

8 years, 5 months

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