test-drb February 2016

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PDP-11/20 vd one that just says pdp 11 what are the date differences?? OEM?

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Bill Degnan > I have an original 1969 PDP 11 brochure. In it there are two PDP 11 > model configurations to choose from; the 10 and the 20. For me at least > this throws into question the whole "... the 10 first came out with the > 5 in 1972..." story everyone repeats over and over This is a known 'artifact' in PDP-11 history. DEC originally used the /10 designation for a cost-reduced 11/20. They never produced any, AFAIK - I'm pretty sure (without checking) that machine was re-labelled the /15, and those _do_ exist (I used one BITD). According to DEC documentation, the /15 has a KC11 processor, not the KA11 of the /20 (although I've never been able to find out much about the KC11 - I suspect it was a slightly modified KA11); the main functional difference listed is that it only supports one level of interrupt, not four; power-fail re-start is also optional, not standard. I have this bit set that both the /15 and /20 could be had with the 'simple' front console, that that wasn't the differentiator between them. The later /5-/10 pairing does indeed exist - I have one of each. They are absolutely identical except for the printing on the faceplate. Noel

8 years, 10 months

PDP-11/20 vd one that just says pdp 11 what are the date differences?? OEM?

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/22/2016 5:16:27 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, billdegnan at gmail.com writes: On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 7:14 AM, Pontus Pihlgren <pontus at update.uu.se> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 07:07:35AM -0500, william degnan wrote: > > > > I have an original 1969 PDP 11 brochure. In it there are two PDP 11 > model > > configurations to choose from; the 10 and the 20. For me at least this > > throws into question the whole "...the 10 first came out with the 5 > > in1972..." story everyone repeats over and over, unless one must have a > > "10" printed on the console in order to accept a computer model's > > existence. DEC must not have sold many original 10 models, and/or > everyone > > who has a 10 does not realize that's what they have. But, facts are > facts > > and the brochure and price guide I have is what it is. Hoping some here > > will check for themselves and consider it misleading at least to simply > > call the original PDP-11 a "pdp 11/20 without the nameplate". In short, > > the original bare-bones pdp11 was the pdp-11 10, the fully-equipped > version > > was the pdp-11 20. > > I will definitely correct myself in the future. It would be interresting > to see if anyone has a "numberless" machine with the "M11-10" > designation printed on the back, to see if any was actually delivered > (and I wouldn't be surprised if there was). > > /P > Here is the doc in question. Note is says 11/10 and 11/20 hahahha!!!! turnkey console on 10 programmers console on 20 in brochure! Ed##### http://vintagecomputer.net/digital/PDP11-20/PDP11_Price-List_19691215.pdf -- @ BillDeg: Web: vintagecomputer.net Twitter: @billdeg <https://twitter.com/billdeg> Youtube: @billdeg <https://www.youtube.com/user/billdeg> Unauthorized Bio <http://www.vintagecomputer.net/readme.cfm>

8 years, 10 months

Fleet System 2+ with the Yello Stickers on the disks!

by tulsamike3434＠gmail.com

I have the regular Fleet System 2 bur I need a copy of Fleet System 2+ instead of blur the stickers are yellow there a 3 disks. I am hedding to the dr and I will post the manual I got in the unopened box. so pics coming up later today does anyone have a copy of the 3 Fleet System Sisks they could email .e I have many things to trade I will post that stuff later today . God Bless Yall!

8 years, 10 months

PDP-11/20 vd one that just says pdp 11 what are the date differences?? OEM?

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/22/2016 5:14:40 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, pontus at Update.UU.SE writes: On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 07:07:35AM -0500, william degnan wrote: > > I have an original 1969 PDP 11 brochure. In it there are two PDP 11 model > configurations to choose from; the 10 and the 20. For me at least this > throws into question the whole "...the 10 first came out with the 5 > in1972..." story everyone repeats over and over, unless one must have a > "10" printed on the console in order to accept a computer model's > existence. DEC must not have sold many original 10 models, and/or everyone > who has a 10 does not realize that's what they have. But, facts are facts > and the brochure and price guide I have is what it is. Hoping some here > will check for themselves and consider it misleading at least to simply > call the original PDP-11 a "pdp 11/20 without the nameplate". In short, > the original bare-bones pdp11 was the pdp-11 10, the fully-equipped version > was the pdp-11 20. I will definitely correct myself in the future. It would be interresting to see if anyone has a "numberless" machine with the "M11-10" designation printed on the back, to see if any was actually delivered (and I wouldn't be surprised if there was /P Well I owned one in 1980 that just said only PDP 11.... but so long ago do not remember the label when I got a chance to swap some stuff for the 11/20 for the museum I jumped at it.

8 years, 10 months

PDP-11/20 vd one that just says pdp 11 what are the date differences?? OEM?

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/22/2016 5:07:40 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, billdegnan at gmail.com writes: On Feb 22, 2016 4:39 AM, "Paul Birkel" <pbirkel at gmail.com> wrote: > > Agreed; I neglected to mention that mine also is marked in that manner! > Seems like DEC had ramped up to about 15-20 machines/day by mid-September. > > Guess that the front panel graphics guys "didn't yet get the memo". Or > maybe someone was hedging their bets against an ignominious sales failure in > the initial front panel production? > > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Christian > Corti > Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 4:32 AM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: RE: PDP-11/20 vd one that just says pdp 11 what are the date > differences?? OEM? > > On Mon, 22 Feb 2016, Paul Birkel wrote: > > My PDP-11 is labeled as "S-386" and dated 9/23/70, which I guess makes > > it fairly early in the production run (but I do wonder what the > > initial manufacturing rate was given the relative riskiness of this > > new architecture). Anyone have S# and dates for "plain 11" vs. > > 11/20-marked for comparison? > > Our PDP-11 is labeled as "S-308", the date is 9/16/70. And I think they > called it PDP11-20 from the beginning, as the model number above the serial > number says "M11-20" > > Christian > I have an original 1969 PDP 11 brochure. In it there are two PDP 11 model configurations to choose from; the 10 and the 20. For me at least this throws into question the whole "...the 10 first came out with the 5 in1972..." story everyone repeats over and over, unless one must have a "10" printed on the console in order to accept a computer model's existence. DEC must not have sold many original 10 models, and/or everyone who has a 10 does not realize that's what they have. But, facts are facts and the brochure and price guide I have is what it is. Hoping some here will check for themselves and consider it misleading at least to simply call the original PDP-11 a "pdp 11/20 without the nameplate". In short, the original bare-bones pdp11 was the pdp-11 10, the fully-equipped version was the pdp-11 20. Why DEC temporarily dropped it's pdp-11 10 model from the product line and >from newer price sheets I can't say. Certainly the "10" was gone when DEC rebranded their front nameplates to read "pdp 11/20". I believe the 1969 brochure is on bitsavers, or I think my website has a copy you can download. Bill Degnan twitter: billdeg vintagecomputer.net I had heard a rumor the 10 was an oem version!? does that make any sense Bill? Ed#

8 years, 10 months

Vaxstation 3100 - I have console access

by bryan＠bceassociates.com

Hi everyone. I'm hoping that one of the VAX experts out there can help me figure out how to get my 3100 booting. I managed to cobble together the necessary cabling and was able to run a "TEST 50" from the serial console. Unfortunately my Google-fu isn't sufficient to help me figure out what the results mean. Here is what I'm getting below. Any ideas where my problem lies? >>> test 50 KA42-A V1.3 ID 08-00-2B-16-58-20 MONO 0000.0001 ? CLK 0000.0005 NVR 0000.0001 ? DZ 0000.4001 00000001 00000001 00000001 00004001 00000000 00000000 MEM 0010.0001 01000000 MM 0000.0001 FP 0000.0001 IT 0000.0001 SYS 0000.0001 8PLN 0000.0001 V1.3 NI 0100.0001 >>> Thanks, Bryan

8 years, 10 months

PDP-11/20 vd one that just says pdp 11 what are the date differences?? OEM?

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

or maybe initially they figured to use letters after the 11.... example pdp-11/a pdp-11/E then once out decided to use numbers as a dub designator Ed#

8 years, 10 months

PDP-11/20 vd one that just says pdp 11 what are the date differences?? OEM?

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

what was the break point as far as manufacture dates between the 2? Ed# In a message dated 2/22/2016 1:25:31 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, pbirkel at gmail.com writes: Which has always struck me as a bit odd, since the PDP-11 family was designed to be just that, a family. So you'd think that "marketing" would have kept that in mind when designing the first front panel label ... -----Original Message----- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Pontus Pihlgren Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 3:12 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: PDP-11/20 vd one that just says pdp 11 what are the date differences?? OEM? The PDP-11/20 was the first PDP-11. I believe the number was added when the other models came out, to discern them. /P On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 03:03:17AM -0500, COURYHOUSE at aol.com wrote: > PDP-11/20 vd one that just says pdp 11 what are the date differences?? > OEM? was one version for customer and one for OEM? > THANKS IN ADVANCE > > Ed# > >

8 years, 10 months

PDP-11/20 vd one that just says pdp 11 what are the date differences?? OEM?

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

Ok then it definitely defines the date then of a unit. eons ago when I first had started compute exchange in Phx we had one that just said pdp -11 as I remember it came from Sandia Labs. Currently we have a 11/20 Ed# smecc.org In a message dated 2/22/2016 1:12:16 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, pontus at Update.UU.SE writes: The PDP-11/20 was the first PDP-11. I believe the number was added when the other models came out, to discern them. /P On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 03:03:17AM -0500, COURYHOUSE at aol.com wrote: > PDP-11/20 vd one that just says pdp 11 what are the date differences?? > OEM? was one version for customer and one for OEM? > THANKS IN ADVANCE > > Ed# > >

8 years, 10 months

Looking to buy a Tektronix 405x computer.

by ian.finder＠gmail.com

I've been looking for one of these for ages- I have a lead on a TeK storage tube terminal and will make a trip for it as soon as I can, but I'd love to find one of the computers. I'll pay for one in any condition and shipping from anywhere I can find one. Does anyone have a lead? Please let me know... Thanks, - Ian -- Ian Finder (206) 395-MIPS ian.finder at gmail.com

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